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“The strategic task is not just to keep production, but to make it efficient and competitive”

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“The strategic task is not just to keep production, but to make it efficient and competitive”

“Our order book is now eight times our current capabilities. Paradox! The whole world is chasing after work, and we are forced to transfer and “preserve” orders, the fulfillment of which is expected from us today. It is necessary to urgently restructure, to switch to modern production technologies, providing both the production of equipment that is already known in the world and the one that is just preparing to appear in our advertising brochures soon, ”- so in June of this year he stated in an interview for our magazine Defense Express, the general director of the state enterprise Zavod im. Malysheva "Vadim FEDOSOV.


And how does the Kharkov Tankograd live today? When, on the one hand, there is a test of the new “Plots” for Thailand and the further fulfillment of a difficult contract. On the other hand, there are tough plans for restructuring the enterprise and optimizing production. On the current factory realities the general director of the company “Plant them. Malysheva "Vadim FEDOSOV said this:


The process of restructuring the state enterprise “Plant named after V. Malyshev” basically corresponds to the approved strategic program. However, due to the lack of funding, the plan makes adjustments to the implementation of individual stages. This is due, for example, to the acquisition of highly productive equipment.

Important stages of restructuring are the development of design estimates and process documentation, relocation, installation and commissioning of equipment, the introduction of new technologies, the carrying out of a complex of construction and installation works, the need for new high-tech equipment. The strategic objective of the Concern and the plant management is not just to keep production, but to make it efficient and competitive. This requires significant financial resources. According to preliminary calculations, the total amount of investment required is 570 mln.

In 2013, the company has been implementing more than 800 thousand hryvnias to carry out activities under the restructuring plan. Existing funds are not enough, which hinders the process of change.

Specialists of the state enterprise “Plant named after V.Malyshev” carried out a comprehensive analysis of the property of the enterprise, identified objects that were not involved in the production process, but required maintenance costs. This equipment, buildings and structures that are not used in production. The estimated amount expected from sales and write-offs, the transfer to rent of facilities not involved in the production process, as well as from working capital and business activities of the enterprise up to 2015, will be 205,0 million UAH. In addition, according to our calculations, government support before 2015 should be 365,0mln.

The most important condition for successful restructuring is the introduction of amendments to the Law "On the Management of State Property Objects" Art. 11, p. 9, where enterprises are prohibited from selling real estate objects that are not used or planned for use in production.

To fulfill the strategic directions of work requires the acquisition of modern equipment. The cost of equipment that is planned to be purchased during 2013-2015 is over 150,0 million. hryvnia

In this case, a plan for the modernization and repair of existing equipment (primarily with CNC) is already being implemented. This will allow organizing multi-machine maintenance in labor-intensive operations, reducing the cost of pre-production by 20-25% by introducing universal or simpler equipment and significantly increasing productivity. Released qualified specialists can be used in the processing of main parts - engine block, crankshaft, etc. The approximate amount of the modernization and overhaul of equipment —30,0 mln.

In the future, it is planned to concentrate production at a single site in 42 hectares, instead of the existing 190 hectares at two sites (a decrease in 4 times).

To reduce land tax payments, it is necessary to resolve the issue of settling land relations with new balancers. For this you need to get a documentary allotment of land for objects and a state act on the land.

Most of the parcels being vacated do not have the required documentation, since many of the buildings are pre-war. For registration of technical certification need more than 5,0 mln. To resolve this issue, the Concern and the plant are seeking assistance from the regional authorities of Kharkiv and the Kharkiv region. Very important for the company will be, including the reduction of land tax on 2014.

Currently, the company is actively optimizing production processes.

Instead of the previously existing heat treatment sites at the 32 plant, three will remain by the end of the current year, and two sites in the 2014. At the same time, the number of such processes will increase. Only due to this, the savings in energy resources and repair costs will be about 2.5-3.5 million hryvnia per year. Similar work is being done on electroplating sites.

The same situation with motor transport. From 220 units of equipment that are more than 25 years old in operation, written off and is in the process of writing off 127 units. Basically it is “Volga” for the administration. By reducing the number of vehicles, moving the site of the motor workshop to the center of the plant and other steps, the savings will be 1,2 million hryvnia per year.

Total savings on conditionally fixed costs due to the restructuring program and energy efficiency in 2013 compared to 2012 were expected to be at least 40 million hryvnia.

Assembly of finished products (Tanks, Armored personnel carriers, artillery systems) is already concentrated in one workshop No. 130, instead of previously scattered industries. In this workshop, redevelopment was carried out, routes of technological chains were changed. The working conditions of the workshop workers have been improved - the repair of household premises has been completed, the working dining room is being renovated, the workshop is equipped with autonomous sources of hot water supply. We understand that people are the main thing in production.

Work has begun on moving to the main site of the workshops of aggregate production for the manufacture of a range of engines for armored vehicles. At present, a modern technological platform (3000 sq. M) is being prepared for the final assembly of engines, engine assemblies and input control for incoming parts.

The hull No. 750C is being prepared for mechanical production of components for these engines, it is planned to transfer the thermal and galvanic shops of the aggregate production to the main site - to the galvanic sections of the shops No. XXUMX and No. XXUMX.

Restructuring is carried out taking into account the lean manufacturing system tested in many industries. It defines 7 types of basic losses, due to the elimination of which, it is possible at a relatively minor cost to significantly improve the economy of production.

These are losses due to overproduction, loss of time due to inefficient decision making and their execution, loss due to unnecessary transportation, due to unnecessary processing steps, due to excess inventory, due to unnecessary movements, due to the release of defective products. .

Losses due to backward technologies in casting, machining and in general - the use of outdated machinery will also be eliminated.

Optimization of the structure and production capacity will ensure at least a stable achievement of the break-even point and increase the competitiveness of products. Along with improving the balance of the enterprise, its investment attractiveness will increase. It is planned that by the year 2015 SE “Plant named after V.A. Malysheva "will be released on the volume of production of goods, goods and services, approximately - 1,5 billion hryvnia (fact 2012g. - 245 million)

The goal is to ensure the development of new products, the production technology of which corresponds to the capabilities of the enterprise and does not require large investments in the preparation of production and the development of sales markets. But the main focus remains the release of new and modernized armored vehicles for their own army and for export.
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  1. Kars
    Kars 24 September 2013 15: 48
    +6
    What can I say, the plant was built during the USSR and under other realities --- 800 tanks per year. Therefore, it is necessary to reorganize. The main thing is that they would not be stolen.
    1. Just
      Just 24 September 2013 16: 31
      18
      What are you innocent, I wonder. Ukraine is switching to NATO standards and is cooperating with the EU. Those. even Ukraine itself will not need these tanks - it will have to, and very soon, buy everything the same as the rest of the NATO members. Ukraine is being drawn into all these matters not only in order to finally quarrel with the Russians, but also in order to earn money on it. Very soon, Ukraine is waiting for the transition to NATO equipment and weapons. Under this she will give a lot of money. True on credit. And not so that she spent this money on the purchase of her own products.
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 24 September 2013 16: 42
        14
        Quote: Simpleton
        Ukraine is being drawn into all these matters not only in order to finally quarrel with the Russians, but also in order to earn money on it.

        Ukraine is waiting for the same thing that happened with the Baltic countries. Where is their production, nuclear power plant, fishing industry. Yanukovych has the same role as Yeltsin and Russia, and humpbacked from the USSR.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 24 September 2013 16: 54
        +2
        Quote: Simpleton
        Those. even Ukraine itself will not need these tanks - it will have to, and very soon, buy everything the same as the rest of the NATO members.


        don't talk nonsense, the experienced Yatagan tank (T-84-120, KERN-2 120) complies with NATO standards, in 2000 it lost to the Leopard-2 in the Turkish tender:
        - smoothbore gun caliber 120 mm and a specially designed automatic loader located in the rear of the tower.
        machine gun of the Belgian company FN Herstal
        communication facilities of the French company Thomson

        Besides:

        MiG-29, adapted to NATO and ICAO standards, gain new opportunities:
        - classification of targets according to their “friend or foe” affiliation within NATO without contacting the ground control center *;
        - compatibility with satellite navigation systems NAVSTAR (GPS), TACAN radio navigation, short-range navigation and landing control;
        - a significant expansion of the volume of navigation information available in flight, thanks to additional computer equipment, an LCD monitor;
        - work in radio networks of NATO aviation control, as well as interaction with air traffic control points of NATO states thanks to additional radio communication equipment;
        - Flights on international routes with flashing beacons that meet NATO / ICAO requirements;
        - determination of the location of the aircraft abandoned by the pilot.

        http://www.migavia.ru/military/MiG_29_SD.htm

        I mean the fact that most of the equipment can be adapted to any standard, in addition, nobody forbids to deliver to third countries, unlike the Baltic states, there is such an opportunity in Ukraine, but who will give them?
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 24 September 2013 17: 24
          +1
          Quote: seller trucks
          don't talk nonsense, the experienced Yatagan tank (T-84-120, KERN-2 120) complies with NATO standards, in 2000 it lost to the Leopard-2 in the Turkish tender:

          The whole problem is that in Ukraine there is no mass production of tanks.


          “The information about the“ removal ”of two mock-ups of tanks assembled in terrible convulsions to the test site (for the time being, I'm embarrassed to call them“ Strongholds ”) and an attempt to conduct their field tests there. I must tell the whole mass of the uninitiated that both combat vehicles, even at first glance, are not are twins, like those 35 thousand T-34 tanks, manufactured in the shortest possible time by the defense enterprises of the USSR during the war. Each of them is strictly individual and only looks like a colleague only outwardly. The reason is the manual assembly, which I wrote about earlier. (!) the tank is assembled by hand from the available parts and parts of five T-80s that were at the plant at the time of signing the contract with Thailand. Assembled in such a simple but extremely ineffective way, Stronghold No. 1 and its unfortunate brother moved off the trailer onto the impregnated They started testing with diesel fuel and oils at the landfill in Bashkirovka.Unfortunately, they did not last long due to the very rapid destruction of the transmission and problems in the engine. half-twins. Naturally, they were quickly loaded back onto the trailer, taken to the factory and tried to understand the cause of the breakdowns. "

          Here is a good resource for Ukrainian tank building
          http://ahtungtank.blogspot.ru/
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 24 September 2013 17: 43
            +1
            good smart info big and bold (+) the whole truth about the myth crying "Stronghold"
            1. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 24 September 2013 17: 45
              -1
              True, the big truth.
              Only even Vasily Fofanov admitted that it was a banal draft on a fan :)
              Although no, believe and hope that ZIM will fall apart.
              Dogs bark, the caravan is coming.
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 24 September 2013 17: 57
                +4
                Quote: Jake Danzels
                Although no, believe and hope that ZIM will fall apart.
                Dogs bark, the caravan is coming.


                Constructive criticism is welcome, do you really have anything to object to? say so they say, and so you are wrong 10-20-30 tanks were loaded and sent to Tai.
                1. Jake danzels
                  Jake danzels 24 September 2013 18: 12
                  +5
                  Ok, constructive criticism is so constructive.
                  Let's get a little bit of history (even take this site), and the deo was like this:
                  1. First they beat him in the chest and they all proved that Oplot-M was alone and no one would buy it;
                  2. They signed the Thai contract - they annulled it eleven times, and then it was canceled by the Russian media;
                  3. They confirmed that they will produce Bastions - the vine rose that they won’t even do one machine, that they forgot how to do it, etc. etc.
                  4. They showed the Thais their first car - an explosion of the wave and claims that it was only a model, etc.
                  5. They showed armor tests - again we do not believe, they succumbed to installation, sabotage and other heresies
                  6. We showed production - again, our song is good, start over, but the old buildings and towers (there was one old tower layout with the layout of external equipment and remote sensing)
                  7. They showed the tests of the first pair - again the same song from the same repertoire.
                  Constructive? On this site, only the majority monologue.
                  1. slacker
                    slacker 24 September 2013 19: 22
                    0
                    Almost all the photos on the "tank Oplot" have the same plot: the Oplot is either standing or trying to climb onto the trailer. If only once they showed something different ...
                    But it is clear that this pepelats is not capable of anything else.
              2. pensioner
                pensioner 24 September 2013 20: 45
                +1
                Quote: Jake Danzels
                Dogs bark, the caravan goes

                Yes, dogs do not bark already, howl. Over the already half-dead caravan, which will not come anywhere ... Your tank building has 3-4 years left of its strength. Until the "boxes" run out. I specially strained my friend last week (oh-oh-oh-very knowledgeable person ...) about Kharkov. He told me a lot. Next time I will record everything on a dictaphone and post it on the website (in 10-12 days). Everything you have there is by no means brilliant. Of course everything can be fixed ... Only WHO in Ukraine will deal with this?
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 24 September 2013 22: 35
                  +2
                  Already nobody !!! Association with the European Union is ahead and the remaking of all outlets, in particular, the Euro standard !!! Not to mention the wires! So the scribe came to your factory, rubs at the gate !!! Open the gate!
            2. apostol88
              apostol88 25 September 2013 14: 30
              -3
              Well yes, as usual, Oplot-. And the t-90 seper-duper! am
        2. stranik72
          stranik72 25 September 2013 06: 21
          +1
          They also write a lot on the fence. NATO nafig does not need Ukraine with its weapons and military equipment, it is only needed as a consumer of weapons and military equipment, the Czech Republic sells a lot, they had tank production by the way, so what? So in terms of its own production, NATO is absolutely unnecessary. MiG-29, Ukrainian "100 years at lunch" production of components in Russia and for a long time they will "adapt" them to NATO standards. NATO needs Ukraine as a springboard against Russia, another enemy state near our borders. It is only from these positions that we need to consider the processes that are taking place in Ukraine.
      3. Kars
        Kars 24 September 2013 17: 01
        +1
        Quote: Simpleton
        , and very soon, buy everything the same as the rest of the NATO members.

        And what are the other NATO members buying? Is there a single NATO tank?
        Quote: Simpleton
        but also in order to earn on it

        and that someone does not want to make money on neighbors?
        Quote: Simpleton
        Very soon, Ukraine is waiting for the transition to NATO equipment and weapons. Under this she will give a lot of money.

        And why is the transition waiting for? For what reasons?
      4. Jake danzels
        Jake danzels 24 September 2013 17: 38
        -1
        Yes, Oplot-M will not roll towards NATO standards, but the updated Yatagan on the contrary. So I don’t see any problems here.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 24 September 2013 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: Jake Danzels
          So I don’t see any problems here.


          yes, there are no more problems, the contract for "Oplot" is actually broken:

          In accordance with the commission agreement of 07.12.11, #USE-18 / 2-356-D / K-11 GP, the “Bastions” were to be made at the Malyshev plant. About 300 million hryvnias were transferred to the accounts of the enterprise (the total amount of the contract amounted to 200 million dollars). Until December 2012, the plant was supposed to supply the Thai Armored Forces with five “Strongholds”, and by August of this year to ship another fifteen combat vehicles. But, unfortunately, this did not happen. Apparently, concluding such contracts, it is necessary to remember the realities of our modern life and not to forget the proverb that the Slavs slowly harness, but travel quickly. As you probably already guessed, a quick ride when fulfilling the contract did not work either. In fact, today it is really frustrated.


          link above author Warrawar, handsome, thanks again
      5. mirag2
        mirag2 24 September 2013 18: 03
        0
        Yeah, the fanatic policy of the Europeans is that by pulling an ally to their side, they will never give money just like that, just to borrow, so that they would buy something.
      6. varov14
        varov14 24 September 2013 19: 02
        +1
        Power will live that experience. The news flashed on tv that they are ready to sponsor 3 million hectares of arable land to China, they will live in the west and receive food from the east. Our shells a hundred points ahead - like the gentle calves of all the queens.
      7. Grbear
        Grbear 24 September 2013 19: 05
        +1
        Even if in the coming years there will be no integration into NATO, then today's money from the reorganization works for Europe. And machines still need to be brought, delivered, mastered - this is the time. Two or three years to develop, and there either the standards will change, or the leader of something.

        In short - a night jump with a leaky parachute and with bricks in the reserve. It may survive, but there will be no children.
      8. kris
        kris 24 September 2013 19: 15
        +6
        sooner or later, but Ukraine and Russia will be together again.
        And no one will remember about the current power trash.
        The zomboreaction of some members of the forum, messing with foam at the mouth of our Slavic brothers, is surprising.
      9. User777
        User777 25 September 2013 06: 49
        0
        Agree with you!
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 24 September 2013 19: 37
      +1
      The main thing that would not steal


      Dear Kars, they don’t even have to steal.

      I had to master imported equipment, purchased in the austerity regime, back in the USSR, and I ask you to take it into account on a "good" military service. As a result, ours saved there, and we tumbled here. They have it like this: either you take everything that you give, or "We are not responsible for anything." The line for the production of tanks will not be sold to you, but with the "prefabricated hodgepodge" you get so fucked up that ...
      This is purely iron.

      And intellectually, it is necessary to build a new plant without stopping the old one, which in your case is too much for you.
      1. Kars
        Kars 24 September 2013 19: 55
        +2
        Quote: GrBear
        . Tank production line will not be sold to you

        Why do we need a tank production line?
        Quote: GrBear
        And in terms of intelligence - you need to build a new plant without stopping the old one, which in your case is too much for you

        Not in this situation, especially when, in principle, there is nothing to stop.

        And there was business with imported equipment. Now everything is different from the times of the USSR. Moreover, in fact the nomenclature of new machines will not be so great. It would certainly be interesting if the plant had a private owner, the efficiency of spending funds would be much higher. One misfortune is that what is impossible, and to start privatization now --- even I would have gutted a tank lover.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 24 September 2013 23: 07
      0
      Quote: Kars
      What can I say, the plant was built during the USSR and under other realities --- 800 tanks per year. Therefore, it is necessary to reorganize. The main thing is that they would not be stolen.


      It will be like in a joke: The doctor ordered circumcision and not castration!

      Purely my opinion - the military industry is unnecessary for Ukraine, it has no one to fight with. To that, maybe he will not, but whoever would like to cannot.
      1. Kars
        Kars 25 September 2013 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Ukraine is unnecessary military industry, it has no one to fight.

        Switzerland also has no one to fight with or Sweden - but this does not prevent them from having the military industry. It brings profit and develops knowledge-intensive industries.
  2. seller trucks
    seller trucks 24 September 2013 16: 15
    10
    I sit on the pavement in skis shod. The roofing felts do not go, the roofing felts I .......?

    already wrote today, I will quote myself again. Ukraine from September 2011 of the year (when the contract was signed) to date has not surrendered more than one tank to the customer of the Thai Ministry of Defense, 2 tanks are tested, three are in production, two tanks in 2 of the year, super good terms, the contract must be completed before the end of the 2014 year, at such a pace it’s 2-3 tanks, which are a good hair dryer, prospects, workers receive 250-300 dollars, production is concentrated in one workshop, equipment has not changed since the USSR, money the state doesn't give you cho fool what portfolios.
    1. 31231
      31231 24 September 2013 16: 19
      +3
      It is planned that by 2015 the SE "Plant named after V.A. Malysheva ”will enter the volume of production of goods, goods and services, approximately - 1,5 billion hryvnias (2012 fact - 245 million)


      And Russians here are also accused of hatred.
  3. Russ69
    Russ69 24 September 2013 16: 31
    +2
    Kharkov plant, whatever one may say, is hard. There are few specialists left, there is no normal financing, there is no for re-equipment of production. Many components were originally supplied from Russia. So get out as you want. We have at least a lot of similar problems, but more opportunities, especially since the state has taken seriously.
    The military-industrial complex, without the help of the state, is generally difficult, No investors will help.
    In any case, the Khorkavchans do not give up yet. Only, chronic failure to fulfill contracts will sooner or later have a very detrimental effect.
    1. varov14
      varov14 24 September 2013 19: 08
      +2
      "the more the state took it seriously." ---- Well, yes, the machines of the 30s, there are no birdwatchers, everyone strives to become "sales" managers
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 24 September 2013 16: 31
    +2
    An old record about how life will be good in the future!
    1. albanech
      albanech 24 September 2013 17: 26
      +1
      JonnyT (3) That's right! It's time not to speak, but to do it! Stop talking! Chatterboxes! Where is the deal?
  5. Andriasov
    Andriasov 24 September 2013 16: 52
    0
    "To reduce land tax payments, it is necessary to resolve the issue of regulating land relations with new balance holders. For this, it is necessary to obtain a documentary allotment of a land plot for objects and a state act on the land."


    : D ... is it necessary to resolve the issue of land relations with the Chinese?
  6. user
    user 24 September 2013 17: 16
    +2
    The European Union and NATO will not allow (in any case, to make every effort) a strong competitor in the trade in military equipment
  7. Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 24 September 2013 17: 55
    +3
    Quote: seller trucks
    yes, there are no more problems, the contract for "Oplot" is actually broken:

    If it were torn off, the Customer would have declared it. Like for example here -
    http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/797286/ а там задержка была вообще-то 2,5года.
    Neither you nor I know the real situation, so let's not speak on behalf of the Customer.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 24 September 2013 18: 02
      +3
      Quote: Jake Danzels
      If it were torn off, the Customer would have declared it.


      there is a magic word "rollback", corruption is also in Thailand corruption
      1. Jake danzels
        Jake danzels 24 September 2013 18: 19
        +5
        I forgot it is not in Russia :)
        You paid for Algerian fighter jets with rays of kindness and affection.
  8. VadimSt
    VadimSt 24 September 2013 17: 56
    +1
    No matter what they say, the Ukrainian economy should not be "targeted" or "undermined". It is already aimed at disposal and undermined by its own government, it remains only to wait for the global expansion of the EU.
    No less strange, Azarov’s words were heard at the YES International Conference on Ukrainian GTS - “We are now operating such a gigantic system at approximately 60% of capacity, and this is our cost. The question of the European Commission: why should we carry them alone? ” Probably because the EU only promised Ukraine, but did not give anything, and Russia only gave in response to the promises of Ukraine!
    It's a shame - these syku will live well, even in the EU, at least in Papua New Guinea!
  9. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 24 September 2013 18: 37
    0
    Worth the goal - to ensure the development of new products, the production technology of which corresponds to the capabilities of the enterprise and does not require large investments in the preparation of production and the development of markets. But the main focus remains the release of new and modernized armored vehicles for their own army and for export.

    Ukraine’s competitors in the field of arms production - Russia, the USA, the EU have much more opportunities for production and marketing, so dreams are a little to invest and a lot to get, are far from being realized.
    In March 2012, a contract was signed with Thailand for the supply of 49 T-84 Oplot tanks in the amount of $ 250 million. The contract was concluded by the Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army, General Prayut Chan-o-Cha. The first five tanks should arrive in Thailand in 2013. This is the largest contract for the import of Ukrainian weapons in the last 16 years since the Pakistani tank contract.
    (On July 30, 1996, a contract was signed to supply Pakistan with 320 T-80UD tanks in the amount of $ 650 million. The production rate was 100-110 vehicles per year)

    Inexpensive tanks turned out in 1996 - 2 million dollars apiece. Abrams then cost about 4-5 million dollars, and the T-90 about 3.5 million dollars
  10. bulanash
    bulanash 24 September 2013 20: 28
    0
    "Our order book now exceeds our current capabilities eight times. Paradox!"

    this does not mean large orders, but about collapsed production ..

    - about the need for money for restructuring and the ability to trade the released land.
  11. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 September 2013 21: 02
    +1
    In short, as if Russia and Ukraine were not pulled apart in different directions ... Nothing will come of it! In vain, some comrades are trying .. As they say, we say Russia means Ukraine, we say Ukraine means Russia .. Time will pass and we will remember these troubled times bashfully scratching the back of our head .. and spreading our hands in disbelief .. That's it!
    1. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 24 September 2013 21: 38
      +1
      I would like to believe in it ... but the facts speak otherwise
  12. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 September 2013 21: 26
    0
    Someone must do tanks for Thailand. We must understand that the stronghold is made from the available t-80s, when stocks run out, what will happen?
    1. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 25 September 2013 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Someone must do tanks for Thailand. We must understand that the stronghold is made from the available t-80s, when stocks run out, what will happen?

      You will find the old case, I will send you a liter of moonshine and a kilo of fat, and if you do not find it, then stop writing nonsense.
      http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=719&p=22