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Valdai Theses Vladimir Putin

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The past week was the week of the anniversary (10-th in a row) meeting of the international discussion club "Valdai". Initially, the discussion club was created as a platform for meetings of politicians, political scientists, philosophers and sociologists specializing in the study (and, by the way, conduct) of both foreign and domestic policies of Russia. The appearance of “Valdai” in 2004 was assessed as Russia's attempt to attract public interest (not only Russian, but also foreign) to the Russian political system, and at the same time improve Russia's image at the international level.


Valdai Theses Vladimir Putin


Over the years of its existence, Valdai has become a unique international platform where representatives of various political, philosophical and religious views on domestic Russian events, as well as events in the world that have a certain impact on Russia, have the opportunity to express their point of view. Not only ardent supporters of the existing government, but also its critics, no less ardent, began to gather in the club. Even with just a quick glance around the hall where delegates gathered to discuss a particular topic, it can be concluded that the diverse audience today is represented in the Valdai Club: from current politicians of the federal scale to their political opponents from all sides .

Dmitry Saymes, an American political scientist well-known in Russia, said that such a discussion platform as “Valdai” in terms of its representativeness, openness and a set of discussed issues simply has no analogues in the world. There is nothing like it even in those countries that, in the mode of repeated repetition and complacency, call themselves "developed democracies."

The anniversary "Valdai" was marked by a very nontrivial speech on it by the Russian president. Its non-trivial nature was that, in a fairly short period of time, Vladimir Putin was able to tell the audience about his understanding of not only the development of the domestic political system in Russia, but also conveyed to them, let's say, his feelings about the global world order. Putin’s speech at the site of the Valdai Discussion Club in many ways reminded him of his six-year-old speech, which political analysts called the Munich speech. Recall that in February 2007 of the year (therefore, even before the “heyday” of Arab and other “springs”) Putin severely criticized the desire of certain countries (of course, primarily the United States) to finally make the world unipolar. Then Putin condemned the policy of expanding NATO to the east, criticized the rich countries for "preserving" the backwardness of the third world countries, and recalled that there is no country in the world that could take legal functions as a world police officer.

Much of this sounded in the Valdai Club. Putin spoke in detail about how he decided to publish his article in the American newspaper The New York Times. According to him, he decided to use overseas authoritative publication to allow Americans to hear an alternative view not only about what is happening in Syria today, but also that there are no exceptional nations in the world, that all nations are unique, but at the same time time are equal. He said that he literally had to manually write down the last paragraph in his article, after he met with the recent speech of Barack Obama to the Americans.

But it was precisely in this speech of the American president that the very notes were contained which made it possible to compare his speech with something very reminiscent of the propaganda of national exclusiveness, which at one time was the leitmotif of the Nazi policy.

Speech on nationalities and their role in the development of the world community also came when Putin touched on ethnic issues of the Russian Federation. The head of state once again emphasized that the very fact of challenging the Russian multinationality can be disastrous for Russia.

By questioning our multinationality, starting to exploit the theme of Russian, Tatar, Caucasian, Siberian and any other nationalism and separatism, we get in the way of our genetic code, in fact, we begin to destroy ourselves.


At the same time, Vladimir Putin, whether having made a reservation, or indeed according to the text, used the phrase “Russian peoples” in his speech. If it was a reservation, then certainly "according to Freud." Perhaps this is generally the first case in the newest stories countries, and even in general since the cessation of the existence of the Russian Empire, when the head of state uses the term "Russian peoples" ("Russian people"). We note, not the “Soviet people,” not the “Russian people,” but the Russian.

Strange, but today this combination for some reason has become almost abusive. At the same time, people who are hampered by the phrase “Russian people” for some reason forget that during the times of, let's say, traditional Russia, the phrase “Russian people” did not cause absolutely no resentment even among those peoples who were with the Russian, let's say , in a very, very, very close relationship. Russians were called both Russians and all those peoples who inhabited the country. It is noteworthy that today, as they say, foreigners do not bother about this: if a person is from Russia or from any other country of the former USSR, then he is Russian, even if he is an Avar, even a Kazakh, even a Georgian, or even a Volga German ... themselves "screwed" on the Russians, Ukrainians and others, saying that everything else - from the evil one, bad and politically incorrect.

In his Valdai speech, Vladimir Putin emphasized that every nation is unique, but all nations are equal. One people cannot be better than another or worse, more correct or more wrong. Talking about ethnic exclusivity is what is from the evil one, that’s what you really need to fight within the law.

Putin noted that he would like to use the positive experience of the Soviet Union in maintaining even the smallest peoples of the country:

I learned with interest that in Soviet times so attentive to this were the attitude of the small nations. Almost every small nation had its own print edition, supported languages, national literature. By the way, much of what was done in this sense before, we need to return and adopt.


Indeed, a country in which there was a more than abstract notion of “Soviet people”, however, managed not only to preserve the national identity of each of the individual ethnoses belonging to its composition, but also to develop these ethnic groups. The presence of national schools, the teaching of the native language, the study of the culture of a particular region — all this did not fool anyone, unlike today. There were, of course, individuals, but, as stated in one famous film: the overwhelming minority.

The reason is that a clear supranational policy was also carried out in the country: you are Russian, Chechen, Buryat or Estonian, you learn your language, comprehend the culture of your national community, but you also have to remember that you are part of a single state which positions itself as a conglomeration of peoples, having a single common name, common goals, a common pivot of development.

After the collapse of the USSR, the national fragmentation led to the fact that this core still cannot be restored. In this connection, the creation of a new national idea also stalled. By the way, Putin did not forget to remind about this either.

He stressed that today Russia is trying to impose options on an "ideal society" from the outside, but for our country, for our society, artificial planting is simply unacceptable. “Positive” of same-sex marriage, violent “democracy”, propaganda of pedophilia and permissiveness - all this is alien not only to Russia, but to any country in which people with common sense remain. This is far from freedom, it is something close to global sodomy, which they are trying to pass off as freedom.

One can agree and disagree with Putin’s theses, this is everyone’s business. Obviously, fans of the western version of democracy will shout that Putin is dragging Russia into the dark past, that people like him prevented Peter I from cutting the window to Europe at the time ... Nationalists will announce that the president has taken the path of unifying nations. And ardent fans of the president will announce that his words are simply brilliant and they need to be carved out of granite. Some will water the others from the cesspool hose, they will respond with the same coin ...

The debate about the role of the politician and his speeches for the development of society is, in fact, good. The main thing is that disputes do not turn into feuds, after all, feuds generally put a fat cross on all good undertakings and even stop the impulses for such undertakings. If there is a place for an open discussion, for an exchange of views, without fists, spitting and mutual steps, then this may say that we are gradually growing out of short ripped denim pants, presented to us by the “partners” after the collapse of the USSR. Definitely growing up! Putin’s words on Valdai confirm that power is growing. It’s far from perfect, of course, as Grandpa McCain told us the other day, in his article, but a) we understand it perfectly well, b) there is no ideal power at all by definition, c) power in any case looks at the people who are near with her, behind her back. I would like to believe that the actions of our government will increasingly go with an eye to, sorry for the hackneyed term, popular opinion. At least, Putin’s Valdai speech instills such optimism.
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  1. mejik
    mejik 21 September 2013 07: 50 New
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    I watched with interest the day before yesterday live broadcast. Putin well done. after all, whoever said that.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 21 September 2013 09: 19 New
      +8
      Quote: mejik
      Putin well done. after all, whoever said that.

      SUPPORT! The article is also very good! good
      "...что мы понемногу вырастаем из коротких рваных джинсовых штанишек, подаренных нам «партнёрами» после развала СССР. Определённо вырастаем!"

      That will all grow, but not all will heal. fool
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 21 September 2013 11: 03 New
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        Yeah, Goebels is back in the Kremlin - well, in the sense of Chechen, Surkov. Sedyukov is now definitely not under jurisdiction, and later, when everything calms down he will return to the frayed deck. The Golikova-Khristenko clan, and insolently, contrary to the decision of the court, having put her man in the ISTC, will now calculate the state structures in the account chamber.

        "Уголовное дело в отношении бывшего главы омского Минздрава (Голиковой), обвинявшегося в халатности при закупке томографов, прекращено, сообщает «Интерфакс». По обоим эпизодам преступления, стоившего бюджету области 138 млн рублей (это то что в суде сказали, а реально 3,75 миллиарда рублей, по всей стране), истек срок давности."

        By the way, the case of tomographs surfaced only because of the principled position of the surgeon of the Arkhangelsk hospital, who doubted that its price was 88 million rubles.

        The thief rules us!
        1. Airman
          Airman 21 September 2013 20: 25 New
          0
          Quote: zvereok
          Yeah, Goebels is back in the Kremlin - well, in the sense of Chechen, Surkov. Sedyukov is now definitely not under jurisdiction, and later, when everything calms down he will return to the frayed deck. The Golikova-Khristenko clan, and insolently, contrary to the decision of the court, having put her man in the ISTC, will now calculate the state structures in the account chamber.

          "Уголовное дело в отношении бывшего главы омского Минздрава (Голиковой), обвинявшегося в халатности при закупке томографов, прекращено, сообщает «Интерфакс». По обоим эпизодам преступления, стоившего бюджету области 138 млн рублей (это то что в суде сказали, а реально 3,75 миллиарда рублей, по всей стране), истек срок давности."

          By the way, the case of tomographs surfaced only because of the principled position of the surgeon of the Arkhangelsk hospital, who doubted that its price was 88 million rubles.

          The thief rules us!

          The thief of raspberries rules us!
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 21 September 2013 23: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Povshnik
            The thief of raspberries rules us!

            It looks like she personally rules you. Well, sympathy.
        2. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 22 September 2013 21: 45 New
          +2
          Это значимые назначения. Посмотрел на других сайтах реакцию... Когда отставка что Голиковой была, что Суркова - чуть ли не аплодисменты, а сейчас опять овации... Типо "а вдруг"... Истенное лицо большинства "патриотов".

          Hypocrites are everywhere. Shuffle the deck further.

          PS. I’m wondering - how long will they think that it will agree with thieves, nits and criminals, can it be decided legally or somehow sane ?? It's like with self-defense - the criminal is always in a favorable position - he is not constrained by anything, and we are engaged in demagogy.
          1. 31231
            31231 22 September 2013 22: 34 New
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            Did you live in the 90s ?! Well, there you wouldn’t be engaged in demagogy. The brothers would immediately shorten their tongue.
      2. Che
        Che 21 September 2013 13: 44 New
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        Strange, but today this combination for some reason has become almost abusive. At the same time, people who are hampered by the phrase “Russian people” for some reason forget that during the times of, let's say, traditional Russia, the phrase “Russian people” did not cause absolutely no resentment even among those peoples who were with the Russian, let's say , in a very, very, very close relationship. Russians were called both Russians and all those peoples who inhabited the country. It is noteworthy that today, as they say, foreigners do not bother about this: if a person is from Russia or from any other country of the former USSR, then he is Russian, even if he is an Avar, even a Kazakh, even a Georgian, or even a Volga German ... themselves "screwed" on the Russians, Ukrainians and others, saying that everything else - from the evil one, bad and politically incorrect.

        Russians are apparently a collective word. During the Second World War, everyone was Russian. Now the same thing is happening before the threat of Russia from the side of the Nazis.
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws 22 September 2013 18: 29 New
          +4
          Dialectically necessary to think what : Russians are all who are citizens of the Russian Federation and those who are ethnic Russians.
          1. washi
            washi 23 September 2013 13: 15 New
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            Quote: krpmlws
            Dialectically necessary to think what : Russians are all who are citizens of the Russian Federation and those who are ethnic Russians.

            I’ll clarify. Russians are those who accept the traditional values ​​spelled out in ALL classical religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism), and not in their perversions (Wahhabism, Protestantism, etc.).
            Russian is not a nationality, it is an affiliation. And not Russians We, but Russians
    2. experienced
      experienced 21 September 2013 10: 42 New
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      Quote: mejik
      Putin well done. after all, whoever said that.

      Говорит хорошо! Стерхов на крыло ставит! За амфорами ныряет! Статьи в американской прессе публикует! Все это хорошо, но Президента нужно оценивать по делам, а не по словам. Смотрим на дела: Поставил Сердюкова и долгое время наблюдал за его "реформаторским зудом", после того как Сердюков "изменил" не той кому можно был просто отправлен в отставку, несмотря на воровство и подрыв боеготовности ВС и ВМФ, министры и губернаторы все погрязли в коррупции, скандалам нет числа - у нас не 37-й год!!! request Русское население "размывается" потоком мигрантов, скоро русскую речь в мегаполисах с трудом услышать можно будет, но почему то визовый режим считается неприемлимым в современных условиях... request
      Golikova’s appointment to the post of Chairman of the joint venture is generally beyond good and evil ... They appointed a fox to guard the chicken coop belay
      Так что хорошего ВВП сделал для России? Приведите факты!!! Учитывая, что Россия обладает природными ископаемыми по всей таблице Менделеева, мы почему то имеем в быту дорогие нефть и газ, а "сливки" идут на увеличение числа долларовых миллиардеров. Вот тут конечно ВВП крут, при нем они "жируют" неплохо. hi
      And most importantly, it’s already difficult to write off all personnel mistakes on the agreement with the old EBN, now the GDP can shuffle the personnel deck as it wants, but all the same Chubais and Co. surround it recourse
      1. Volodin
        21 September 2013 10: 59 New
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        Alexey, today you have gone to extremes. The president has plenty of minuses. But not to notice the benefits, too, somehow one-sided. Golikov, Surkov and Serdyukov - this is yes - minus. Corruption is an undeniable minus. But after all, there is the introduction of maternity capital, the improvement of the living standards of Russians (although someone will try to deny it), the same salaries and pensions for military personnel, the practical full internetization of schools (with access to any library funds), and the renewal of military equipment . Of course, against the background of corruption minuses, these advantages are not noticed by many, I would like more, but they have some advantages. I'm not going to sing an ode to the president, but to slip exclusively towards criticism, without noticing other aspects of the work, it’s just strange ... This is me to the phrase:
        So what good GDP has done for Russia?
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 21 September 2013 11: 07 New
          +6
          The only plus is the introduction of mineral extraction tax. And it’s rather like maintaining your legitimacy and maintaining immunity to Mr. Yeltsin, so that he would often include the oven in hell.
          1. 31231
            31231 21 September 2013 14: 05 New
            +4
            MET was still under Yeltsin. It was just that under Putin it was streamlined and they began to take it hard.
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 21 September 2013 14: 29 New
              +3
              You are confusing something - MET was introduced on 1 on January 2002, Yeltsin left on 31 on December 1999. Maybe there was, before that, something from the category of good wishes, but this is not a mineral extraction tax, and a working mineral extraction tax.
              1. 31231
                31231 21 September 2013 14: 53 New
                +4
                MET was under Yeltsin. Do not watch Wikipedia, it says that in 2001 only the law was passed, which put all the dots over i. A tax on the extraction of PI existed before. When I defended my diploma at the Mining University in 94, I was counting on it in the economic part. When I came to the mining enterprise, I saw payments there. It’s just that not everyone paid it. Someone just wore gifts to the tax.
                1. zvereok
                  zvereok 21 September 2013 15: 10 New
                  +3
                  Mineral extraction tax is one of the “youngest” taxes in the Russian tax system. It was enacted with the adoption by 26 of the chapter of the Tax Code from 1 on January 2002. At the same time, the previous deductions for the reproduction of the mineral resource base and some payments for the use of mineral resources, as well as excise taxes on oil, were canceled.

                  Perhaps you mean the tax system in the USSR? Well then, Putin introduced the mineral extraction tax all at once; there was no mineral extraction tax at the time of his introduction.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 21 September 2013 15: 31 New
                    +3
                    That's right, before these deductions were called

                    reproduction of the mineral resource base and some payments for the use of subsoil, as well as excise taxes on oil


                    The essence of them was the same. A percentage of the annual production of PI enterprises should have been paid to the state.
                    1. zvereok
                      zvereok 21 September 2013 15: 39 New
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                      I repeat:
                      Quote: 31231
                      Maybe there was, before that, something from the category of good wishes, but this is not a mineral extraction tax, and a working mineral extraction tax.
                      1. 31231
                        31231 21 September 2013 16: 09 New
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                        And what is the difference between the payments for the use of mineral resources in the 90s, from the severance tax ?! I am not talking about the process of collecting them, but about the essence.

                        Although, however, this is demagogy.
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 21 September 2013 16: 27 New
                +3
                Quote: zvereok
                You are confusing something - MET was introduced on 1 on January 2002, Yeltsin left on 31 on December 1999. Maybe there was, before that, something from the category of good wishes, but this is not a mineral extraction tax, and a working mineral extraction tax.
                1. zvereok
                  zvereok 21 September 2013 18: 27 New
                  +2
                  I still don’t understand you. In Russia, there are now many laws that do not work. So I say Putin introduced the mineral extraction tax and made it work better than the laws before the mineral extraction tax, this is a fact, and Putin’s merit. What am I wrong about?
                  1. 31231
                    31231 21 September 2013 18: 54 New
                    +2
                    Personally, I agree. For I work in this area. And now everyone pays for the resources taken out.
        2. experienced
          experienced 21 September 2013 11: 08 New
          +7
          Quote: Volodin
          Today you hit the extreme

          Сознаю, что "перегиб" имеет место быть, может встал не с той ноги? request We are all human beings and nothing human is alien to us, on the street the weather is vile, they promise flooding in Moscow ... Sorry forum users that the negative of me rushing like never before hi
          Quote: Volodin
          But there is also the introduction of maternal capital, an increase in the standard of living of Russians (although someone will try to deny it), the same salaries and pensions for military personnel, almost complete Internetization of schools (with the possibility of access to any library funds), an ongoing renewal of the military equipment park

          Вот это имеет место быть. Я и прошу не кричите лозунги "Слава ВВП!!!", а просто факты приводите. Задолбало уже лозунги в комментариях читать и еще, "ты либераст, а смотри тут (и ссылка на сделано у нас)" laughing
          С другой стороны в стране денег, как у дурака фантиков и те умудрились в США "похоронить" в фондах и кредитов навыдавать...
          Завязываю, а то опять что то меня "пучит"... wassat
          Quote: Volodin
          I’m not going to sing odes to the president, but to slide solely to criticism, not noticing other aspects of the work, is just strange ...

          Обещаю, внимательнее следить за своим "критиканством", особенно по утрам hi
          It would not be bad if the site administration ensured that the President of Russia was called in the comments with respect, and not Putin, Volodya and others (he cited the most modest ones) hi
          Alexey, special thanks for controlling the comments in your article hi
          It is impressive that you can write good articles, but the fact that you follow the comments is much more valuable. Corrected in the correct form and in the case good
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 21 September 2013 11: 18 New
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            Quote: seasoned
            Обещаю, внимательнее следить за своим "критиканством", особенно по утрам hi
            It would not be bad if the site administration ensured that the Russian President in the comments was called respectfully, and not Putin, Volodya and others (cited the most modest ones) hi


            Медвепут на некоторых про правительственных сайтах "ненормативная лексика" Я возмущен, что вообще кто-то нашего Светлейшего Владыку мог связать с этим мерзким и пустым человечком Медведевым. Ведь Медведев либерал, и его люди незаметно для Путина навербовали своих людей в правительстве и теперь раскачивают галеру. Владыка с ними борется, но не все подвластно человеку.
            1. Airman
              Airman 21 September 2013 20: 37 New
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              Quote: zvereok
              After all, Medvedev is a liberal, and his people, unnoticed by Putin, have recruited their people in the government and are now rocking the galley. Vladyka fights with them, but not everything is subject to man.

              If the lord, then he would simply remove unwanted people, but he cannot, they impose them on him, that is, dictate their will.
            2. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 03: 05 New
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              correctly noticed, absolutely for sure
          2. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 15: 45 New
            +7
            Quote: seasoned
            Обещаю, внимательнее следить за своим "критиканством", особенно по утрам hi
            It would not be bad if the site administration ensured that the Russian President in the comments was called respectfully, and not Putin, Volodya and others (cited the most modest ones) hi
            Alex, thank you very much for controlling the comments in your hi article
            It is impressive that you can write good articles, but the fact that you follow the comments is much more valuable. Corrected in the correct form and in the case of good


            Cool - you read such a comment and think whether you were sent in three letters, or they were declared saints hi
        3. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 14: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Volodin
          Of course, against the background of corruption minuses, these pluses are not noticed by many, I would like more, but there are pluses. I’m not going to sing odes to the president, but to slide solely to criticism, not noticing other aspects of the work, is just strange ... This is me to the phrase:
          So what good GDP has done for Russia?

          Господин Володин, у вас очень много замечательных статей, которые я с удовольствием читаю и спасибо вам. Но не хотите ли вы написать статьи про действительную реальность, про бес предел который царит в России, ведь про то какой Путин хороший мы уже наслышаны, а вот про настоящие проблемы страны, про бес предел и коррупцию в регионах, желаете? Обращайтесь я вам столько материала дам про "передовой" регион России - Татарстан например. Я сам не обладаю писательским талантом, а вы я смотрю блещете, ну так вот и блесните,а там и посмотрим, что Путин сделал для России, что нет, что мог, а что не дали - объективно. А пока именно оды вы и поете. hi
          1. Volodin
            21 September 2013 14: 29 New
            +4
            Ruslan, in a controversy about who is singing odes to someone, I will not join. I’ll just say one thing: apparently, you don’t read all my articles, and I don’t have any moral right to reproach you with that. The site is full of articles about lawlessness, corruption, national friction, and many other things (including my modest articles). We (the authors of Topwar) do not slip to one-sided coverage of events. At least we try. If you have documented materials on corruption, problems in the army, weapons, etc., we are ready to consider them when writing future articles. And if you wish, you can also publish yourself, about the lack of a writer's gift - do not be shy: you have a tricky comment - first the carrot, then the stick - according to all the laws of the genre smile
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 15: 27 New
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              Quote: Volodin
              If you have documented materials about corruption, problems in the army, weapons, etc., you are ready to consider them when writing future articles.

              Documented? Is it like Serdyukov? Direct to a criminal case? Wow, bravo. No, there are none, I asked who should be and you know you didn’t give, why do not you imagine it by chance?
              Here's a link for you: http: //russia.ekafe.ru/viewtopic.php? F = 13 & t = 55 here's another one: http: //samlib.ru/s/simonenkow_w_i/criminal.shtml
              Могу рассказать про клан Шаймиева, Минниханова - приватизировавших весь нефте-газовый и промышленный комплекс Республики, про сращивание их с организованной преступностью, могу рассказать про депутата госдумы от Хайруллина (лидера ОПГ) присвоевшего миллионы гектаров плодородных земель, про террористическое подполье, про ваххабитов и исламистов которые спокойно дествуют в Татарстане, потому что есть договоренности с властями республики, про Зеленодольский судостроительный оборонный завод которым владеет через "Ак-Барс холдинг" наши американские "друзья", масштабное воровство мэром Метшиным федеральных денег на объектах универсиады, почему то не замеченное Степашиным, бес предел с право хранительными органами во главе с Сафаровым, который якобы уничтожил оргпреступность, а на самом деле все кто нужно гуляют на свободе, события в Нурлате межконфессиональный конфликт, стрельба в Казани и районах - перечислять можно до бесконечности был бы толк. Меня интересует другое - какого хрена на примере этой Республики Ваш любимый Путин не наведет порядок, не посадит этих ушлепков, не вернет деньги в бюджет, не поставит у власти адекватных людей и не наведет порядок? Не в курсе думаете,а я утверждаю что в курсе, просто делятся с кем надо и конфликтов Вашему любимцу не нужно в национальной Республике, лучше закрыть глаза и насыщать "элиты"! В других регионах не думаю что лучше. Где Чубайс, где Сердюков, где Кудрин, где Елицинская семья, Горабчев, олигархия - что в тюрьме? Бабло вернули? За то Квачков в тюрьме. Буданов убит. Перечислять дальше? Забыл мерзавца Кадырова упомянуть, убивавшего наших русских солдат!
              You’re so cunning - first a gingerbread, then a whip - according to all the laws of the genre
              you were mistaken, this is not a writing device, but a cop hi
              1. Volodin
                21 September 2013 15: 43 New
                +1
                Your favorite Putin
                . Не пойму, Вы сейчас серьёзно? Если "да", то палка-то не то что перегнута, а сломана сразу в нескольких местах. Не думал, что можно столь далеко уйти в ошибочных умозаключениях.
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 15: 51 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Volodin
                  Не пойму, Вы сейчас серьёзно? Если "да", то палка-то не то что перегнута, а сломана сразу в нескольких местах. Не думал, что можно столь далеко уйти в ошибочных умозаключениях.

                  Well, don’t cling to the words, I didn’t say anything bad about you and didn’t mean it, beloved, not beloved - what difference does it make, it’s interesting how much can Putin broadcast and do only that which makes him dumb and blind? I’d ask you to write an article about what Putin could and should do but didn’t.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 21 September 2013 16: 04 New
                    0
                    I’m interested in another. How much can Putin broadcast and do only that which will make him dumb and blind?


                    The EBN did a lot for us from what Putin did ?!
                    1. Ruslan_F38
                      Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 16: 19 New
                      +7
                      Quote: 31231
                      The EBN did a lot for us from what Putin did ?!

                      I thought you were wiser, excuse me, who are you comparing? They are incomparable, they are generally at different levels! Alcoholic Yeltsin and Tricky Wolf Wolf Putin. hi
                    2. fisherman
                      fisherman 21 September 2013 20: 48 New
                      +2
                      The EBN did a lot for us from what Putin did ?!


                      ask for examples with our other kings, listen to the answers, ask clarifying, and we will all understand a lot ...

                      with all our kings :)
                  2. Volodin
                    21 September 2013 16: 07 New
                    +3
                    Yes, I do not cling. You wrote - I allowed myself to answer. Your proposal for the article is clear. Subject interesting.
                  3. t-95-70
                    t-95-70 22 September 2013 18: 48 New
                    0
                    really your stupidity, crosses all borders
                2. Dober
                  Dober 21 September 2013 22: 30 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Volodin
                  I don’t understand, are you serious now?

                  Seriously, seriously, comrade Volodin.
                  Не извольте сумлеваться. Готов подписаться по каждой фразой "Руслана Ф38", не потому что являюсь (в прошлом) его землячком, а потому что осталось много родственников в "блестящем" Тартарстане. И всё происходящее в этом регилне волнует меня больше, чем например в Тюмени или на ДВ.
                  А ещё он не упомянул о связях нынешнего глав.строя в Москве г. Хуснуллина (в прошлом потенциального клиента пенитанциарной системы), или бывшего "с треском изгнанного" министра МВД РТ Сафарова, а сейчас "дающего советы" Мини-ханову, или глав.мента "всея Руси" Нургалиева и его успешных родственниках-комерсах.
                  Yes, examples worthy of careful consideration, dozens, if not hundreds ...
                  Well, Putin may not be aware of this. After all, Kazan is far away, and not everything is always visible to him what is going on in Moscow.
                  Тем более "казаней" много, а Путин один и неповторим...
                  1. soldier's grandson
                    soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 03: 11 New
                    +2
                    comrades, this is serious, why few people know about this?
                  2. Ruslan_F38
                    Ruslan_F38 22 September 2013 11: 13 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Dober
                    And he did not mention the connections of the current head of the building system in Moscow, Khusnullin (in the past a potential client of the penitentiary system),


                    Да позабыл - просто фактов множество, а скоро кстати в Москву и Метшин с командой жуликов переедет, а возможно и нынешний "глава" республики Минниханов.
              2. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 03: 07 New
                +1
                comrade be careful with such facts, not time yet
            2. t-95-70
              t-95-70 22 September 2013 18: 35 New
              +1
              I agree completely, everyone expects from Putin, changes in 5 minutes. But it does not happen and never will be where or when. We, whatever the stonotics say, go ahead. And most importantly, we have not lost the country.
          2. t-95-70
            t-95-70 22 September 2013 18: 33 New
            +1
            Write to us not knowing about lawlessness. You probably live alone in the country, but we look from the side
        4. dmb
          dmb 21 September 2013 15: 42 New
          12
          Уважаемый А. Володин! Я попытаюсь отрицать "повышение уровня жизни" ибо не совсем понимаю, какой смысл Вы вкладываете в это понятие. А самое главное не понимаю, какое отношение к этому имеет лично Путин. Как-то высказывался по этому поводу, но повторюсь. В моем понимании уровень жизни включает в себя вовсе не наличие железного импортного рыдвана, и возможность травануться фальшивым алкоголем в Анталии. Это в первую очередь безопасность моя и моей семьи. Состояние ее на улицах наших городов известно, увы она отсутствует. Это возможность дать своим детям хорошее образование. Что у нас с образованием. известно всем, Вы об этом не раз писали. Это возможность получить бесплатную и квалифицированную медицинскую помощь. Надо ли говорить, в каком состоянии находится наша медицина, если в результате какой-либо крупной катастрофы все везут в Москву, а в сельской местности закрывают акушерские пункты. Нет говорит наша власть очень много, и уровень жизни растет. Но не у всех. У банкиров, у Якунина у Голиковой и Суркова это налицо, а вот у основной массы населения растут в основном расходы на ЖКХ и налоги. Ну наконец оборона. Это разве не он назначал Сердюкова и благословлял проводимые им "реформы". А теперь мы с Вами заплатим за эти "реформы" повторно из нашего кармана, что на нашем с Вами уровне жизни вряд ли скажется положительно.
          1. Volodin
            21 September 2013 16: 05 New
            +2
            Уважаемый Дмитрий! Ваша логика меня удивляет. То есть, "Голикова, Якунин" и т.д. и т.п. - это всё от Путина, а вот как "повышение уровня жизни", так
            what does Putin personally have to do with it
            . Да ровно такое же как к "Голиковой, Якунину" и всему остальному, что происходит в стране. Давайте будем объективнее.
            1. michajlo
              michajlo 21 September 2013 18: 08 New
              10
              Good afternoon, dear author, dear Alexey Volodin!

              Your articles are well written, easy to read, but so far I can’t take you as an objective author, it still seems to me that you are simply a “blind supporter and glorified” the current old-new President !?

              I’ll ask you not to be offended by my directly expressed personal opinion, it seems to me that you have an extraordinary talent, which unfortunately will quickly lose its attractiveness and gloss.
              Namely, because many critically minded visitors to the VO website, or simply dissatisfied with the new bill for the last month for housing and communal services (20% higher than the previous one with the old or lower salary), simply will not read your good articles, but will say: “ Oh well, his Volodina! He was on duty singing along “Glory to the CPSU!” ...

              And there are still very few talents that have broken through the “frozen snow of consumerism and vulgarity” in the vastness of the post-USSR.

              Позволю себе обратить Ваше внимание, что критичных высказываний от посетителей сайта ВО, по моему становится больше. Я считаю, что их число увеличивается не потому, что «большее к-во» россиян тут "изливают свою желчь", а потому, что реальные условия ВЫЖИВАНИЯ российского народа (не хорошей жизни с куском мяса и масла) постоянно ухудшаются.
              Billions from the state treasury are stolen with impunity, for raw materials sold (not final gasoline, liquefied gas or processed final product) 15-20% go to the budget, the remaining 80-85% are successfully BROUGHT by “talented entrepreneurs and financiers”.

              In addition, I personally believe that the "time of a peaceful pause" that was given to us by the stories expires quickly and tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there will ALREADY be real military operations near Russia, in the territory of the post-USSR.
              And what is the readiness of the Russian army and military-industrial complex?
              I don’t have any hope for my native “Ukrainian army” or the support of the political elite from Kiev, although I’m sure that the patriots of the USSR and Ukraine will be with Russia and Belarus in difficult and troubled times.

              I will be glad to continue with you the exchange of thoughts and views.

              Wishing you a lot of energy for new articles and essays,
              Mikhailo.
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 18: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: michajlo
                Good afternoon, dear author, dear Alexey Volodin!

                Good afternoon, dear Mikhailo! I would be glad to support you in your assessment of the article about Putin and the processes taking place in our country - but ... do you live in the Czech Republic or Slovakia if I am not mistaken? Excuse me, but what do you care about our problems? Something bad lives there, or did you want to return and prepare a bridgehead? Why all this? What do you care about housing and communal services and everything else? You know enough citizens here from behind the hillock, but that’s how they don’t discuss these topics, as if they were residents of Russia or Ukraine or Belarus. How do you provoke us, or does it seem to me?
                In addition, I personally believe that the “peace break time” we have given to stories is about to expire
                No offense, just explain to me, well, and who cares. hi
                1. michajlo
                  michajlo 21 September 2013 20: 08 New
                  +3
                  Good afternoon, Ruslan!

                  I am glad to continue the exchange of views with you. Yes, I live in Slovakia, for more than 15 years.
                  Where I will be in 5 or 10 years, and then whether I will walk on the grass or not feel anything “under the turf,” I, like any of us, do not know mortals.
                  That my health and naive optimism, as well as "confidence in the future", which I had immeasurably in 20-30 years, I already have from 40-45 years, I do not have ...
                  Please tell me why you dislike my comments here on the VO website? Or do you think that if I live in Slovakia / EU, then initially I, as an "untermensch", do not have the right tot speak out and argue with the Russian forum users?

                  Please be so kind, write to me / ask some other questions PERSONALLY to me, only correctly answering which, at your highest pleasure, can I be here on the VO site and exchange thoughts or my expectations? sad
                  And can I ask a question from a citizen investigator, “without the Tokmo protocol”?
                  “And the village priest, I also have to repent that the other day, I looked at him for a long time looking at him?” lol
                  Regarding me as a forum member, make an effort on yourself and view my Profile Notes. I express them openly, I am NOT ashamed for them, because I speak and write from the heart and on the basis of already some life experience.

                  But on the question that the peace term we have allotted is quickly expiring, this is “not about friendly tricks”.
                  These are serious things. and therefore, everything that today and yesterday we have not yet completed, tomorrow WE WILL DO IT, but effort and blood will all cost us MUCH MUCH MORE !!!
                  Об этом я уже не раз тут писал, посмотрите здесь, чтобы не повторяться, или же еще раз напишу, ЭТО ВЕЩИ СЕРЬЕЗНЫЕ... Старики в Словакии помнящие 1-ю Чехословацкую республики(1918-39), дают как максимальный срок "конца мирной передышки" 2015-2017...
                  1.
                  http://topwar.ru/31511-tri-puti-ukrainy-i-odin-putin.html#comment-id-1381899
                  my comment (michailo su 4 august 2013 15:27)
                  2.
                  http://topwar.ru/32010-rossiysko-kitayskie-ucheniya-mirnaya-missiya-2013-zaversh
                  ilis-na-urale.html

                  All the best to you, Mikhailo.
                  1. Dober
                    Dober 21 September 2013 22: 53 New
                    +2
                    Greetings, Michael.
                    Quote: michajlo
                    Please tell me why you dislike my comments here on the VO website? Or do you think that if I live in Slovakia / the EU, then initially I, as an "untermensch", have no right to speak out here and argue with Russian forum users?

                    Лично мне так не показалось. Что именно "неприятны". Просто человек спокойно поинтересовался. А интерес свой подкрепил некоторыми сомнениями.
                    I myself have not been in Russia for a long time, therefore -
                    Quote: michajlo
                    Please be so kind as to write to me / ask some other questions PERSONALLY to me, only by correctly answering which, by your highest request, can I be here on the VO website and exchange thoughts or your expectations?

                    I would like to read your correspondence. And not only me, I think.
                    Может и меня землячок Руслан "милостиво допустит" к обсуждению... what laughing hi
                    1. michajlo
                      michajlo 21 September 2013 23: 49 New
                      +1
                      Dober (4) SU Today, 22:53 PM _130921 / Fri

                      Добрый вечер уважаемый "ник"! Будьте так добры, скажите как Вас величать по имени, не привык я знаете ли обращаться к Собеседнику по «кличках» или «иностранных именах по англицки», не обессудьте.

                      I already had the honor to exchange opinions with Ruslan several times. And he even answered “here according to Messages”, though he didn’t receive an answer to my question from September 14th, 2013, which unfortunately automatically forces me to think about the level of education and the concept of “general decency framework” given by a friend from the forum ...

                      And regarding the questions to me PERSONALLY, I had only that I would answer HERE FORUM, not “in Email”, so I will try to answer and allow myself to put my questions, although the general tone and direction of thoughts of Ruslan, I probably understood or it just seemed so to me. angry

                      I allow myself a question for you, "members of the forum without a name." winked What interested you in my future answers to questions from Ruslan?
                      What am I so standing out from the general background ?, my thoughts and reasoning are not permissible, too direct?
                      Or just here in Slovakia for 20 years of my life I picked up on the bad concepts of “freedom of speech” (not “democracy”, here, like everywhere else, there IS ONLY one plutocracy) and allow myself to VOICE to express my Doubts, Conclusions, or forebodings? !

                      Or I just completely forgot the commander’s order “SILENCE SC * KI IN STORY!” and so forth?

                      Explain me a slow-thinking, please? Thanks in advance, Michael. hi
                      PS
                      By the way, all my Notes (as well as any of you) can be viewed on my Profile and rate me and so on.
                      1. Ruslan_F38
                        Ruslan_F38 22 September 2013 11: 10 New
                        +3
                        Quote: michajlo
                        I already had the honor to exchange opinions with Ruslan several times. And he even answered “here according to Messages”, though he didn’t receive an answer to my question from September 14th, 2013, which unfortunately automatically forces me to think about the level of education and the concept of “general decency framework” given by a friend from the forum ...

                        Начнем с того, мой зарубежный дружок, что судить об уровне воспитания только потому что вам где-то, на какой-то из ваших опусов не ответили вы не в праве, поскольку человек не ответивший, может его просто и элементарно не прочитать - я не подписываюсь на комментарии, это во первых всезнающий вы наш борец за справедливость из-за рубежа. Во - вторых я вам уже неоднократно объяснял свою позицию, а вы так ни "хрена" толком и не ответили на мой вопрос - к чему вам это, если вы имеете к этой стране самое "отдаленное"" отношение?
                        В третьих мне ваш тон не нравится - в прошлом комменте вы меня не умным "определили", сейчас "бескультурным" - ивы вообще кто такой что бы вешать ярлыки? То что вы интересно с художественной точки зрения комментируете и заинтересовали присутствующих ещё не дает вам на это право.Может самому стоит культуре общения поучиться? И ещё ни кто, у меня, так же как и у остальных форумчан не отбирал морального права общаться с теми с кем я хочу, а так же не ввязываться в полемику с человеком или людьми, который (ые) вызывают у меня неуважение и недоверие. hi
                      2. michajlo
                        michajlo 22 September 2013 12: 19 New
                        -2
                        Ruslan_F38 (1) SU Today, 11:10 _130922 / week

                        Good afternoon, dear Ruslan!

                        Thank you for your complete answer regarding your rejection and suspicion of my person. hi

                        I think that you will agree with me that at this stage, so far, it makes no sense for you and me to exchange thoughts and opinions.
                        В будущем, если Вы захотите о чем то обменяться размышлениями, буду рад Вам ответить, т. к. и негативное или противное к моему мнени, это то же источник для размышлений и сомнений. К слову, Ваши отрицательные Заметки мне, я оценил "+", так как один Ваш запал стоит похвалы.

                        You can read about my opinion and personal concerns regarding the coming 2-4 years (until 2017), like any visitor to the forum, in my Profile, in my Notes.

                        I allow myself to ask for courtesy if You see appeals somewhere in MY texts,
                        - to weapons
                        - construction of barricades,
                        - attack on government officials,
                        - violation of applicable law
                        - or other anti-legal phrases,

                        so be so kind point me to these places (here or in the PS),

                        - but I'll fix them or on you the advised "streamlined form of sucking up" to the current government,
                        - or I will DELETE
                        - so as not to disturb the unstable psyche of "indifferent philistinism."

                        With a sim, I allow myself to take your leave,
                        Mikhailo.
                      3. Ruslan_F38
                        Ruslan_F38 22 September 2013 14: 54 New
                        +3
                        Quote: michajlo
                        and I’ll either fix them on you the advised “streamlined form of sucking up” to the current government,


                        Not hurt. I did not suck and did not call you.

                        or DELETE
                        It’s not worth it, otherwise you’ll get lost, but people like you should be in sight. If necessary, they will be removed to whom they should - do not hesitate.

                        so as not to disturb the unstable psyche of "indifferent philistinism."
                        - Well, the inhabitants of the site were called inhabitants - well, why are you our genius?
                2. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 22 September 2013 11: 28 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Dober
                  I would like to read your correspondence. And not only me, I think.
                  Может и меня землячок Руслан "милостиво допустит" к обсуждению... what laughing hi

                  Я просто настоятельно рекомендую прочитать и вам и остальным "перлы" этого человека "в усах", пишет конечно интересно, но иногда нужно читать между строк - призывы там на каждом шагу - кровь, недовольство, чаша терпения, сроки терпения пришли, народный гнев баррикады и т.д. и т.п.
            2. Dober
              Dober 21 September 2013 22: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              Good afternoon, dear Mikhailo! I would be glad to support you in your assessment of the article about Putin and the processes taking place in our country - but ... do you live in the Czech Republic or Slovakia if I am not mistaken? Excuse me, but what do you care about our problems? Something bad lives there, or did you want to return and prepare a bridgehead? Why all this? What do you care about housing and communal services and everything else? You know enough citizens here from behind the hillock, but that’s how they don’t discuss these topics, as if they were residents of Russia or Ukraine or Belarus. Do you somehow provoke us or it seems to me?

              Of course it seems - I assure you!
              If the Jews cry out, more often than not, what is happening in Russia is not strange for you, and someone took part in the discussion of something that, to him, seems not indifferent, is perplexing.
              Если "Михайло" не ответит на просьбу прояснить, готов, в принципе и я.
              Although I have not lived in Russia for almost 11 years, I was born and spent my childhood and youth in the TASSR. And now I come twice a year. Last time he lived with his brother for two weeks this August. hi
              (comments above) ...
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 22 September 2013 11: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: Dober
                If the Jews cry out, more often than not, what is happening in Russia is not strange for you, and someone took part in the discussion of something that, to him, seems not indifferent, is perplexing.
                Если "Михайло" не ответит на просьбу прояснить, готов, в принципе и я.
                Although I have not lived in Russia for almost 11 years, I was born and spent my childhood and youth in the TASSR. And now I come twice a year. Last time he lived with his brother for two weeks this August. hi


                Я уже ответил выше, но ваши комменты это совсем другое, так же как и комменты "еврейцев", как вы изволили их назвать. Почитайте внимательно и нашу с ним переписку и его "перлы" вообще. Это человек который провоцирует на бунт.
          2. Volodin
            21 September 2013 19: 21 New
            +9
            Mikhail, I certainly appreciate and respect the opinion of individual readers. And yours too. But if you have something in my attitude
            it still seems
            , то я ж Вас не заставляю читать свои статьи, и, надеюсь, никто не тянет за воротник к компьютеру со словами: "А ну, Михайло, читай Володина!.." Если я, по-вашему, "слепой поклонник и воспевала", то есть много других авторов, которые подходят под ваши критерии "правильных" - "зрячих". Читайте их.
            1. michajlo
              michajlo 22 September 2013 00: 44 New
              0
              Good evening Alexey!

              Thank you for responding to my Note to your article. For free you are offended by me, I do not wish you harm or failure, on the contrary. smile

              I think that we will exchange thoughts and conclusions as far as possible and with free time.

              I understand that you, as an author, do not quite like my critical tone. But for the most part I say what I think and do what I said.

              Once again, I wish you success in the field of writing.
              Sincerely, Mikhailo.
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 22 September 2013 11: 42 New
                +3
                Quote: michajlo
                I understand that you, as an author, do not quite like my critical tone. But for the most part I say what I think and do what I said.

                Once again, I wish you success in the field of writing.
                Sincerely, Mikhailo.


                What a smoothie. I understand your essence - how much do forum participants and not only VO pay you for such processing? You are a provocateur.
          3. M. Peter
            M. Peter 22 September 2013 09: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: michajlo
            Позволю себе обратить Ваше внимание, что критичных высказываний от посетителей сайта ВО, по моему становится больше. Я считаю, что их число увеличивается не потому, что «большее к-во» россиян тут "изливают свою желчь", а потому, что реальные условия ВЫЖИВАНИЯ российского народа (не хорошей жизни с куском мяса и масла) постоянно ухудшаются.

            Do you observe this in your Slovakia? Or when you come back to Russia (Ukraine), see how they steal, give bribes, etc. ??? In general, when was the last time you returned to your native land, what would you write like that?
            And we do not survive, but live.
            1. michajlo
              michajlo 22 September 2013 23: 49 New
              0
              M.Peter (1) SU Today, 09:06 AM _130622 / wk

              Good evening, dear Peter!

              Thank you for your feedback on my Note, in spite of your negative attitude to the content of my correspondence with Ruslan, you “+” from me for the desire to express your opinion or sorry to expose me, though I still I don’t know what it is my frank remarks made you so angry?

              Yes, I’m in Ukraine (not often, as I would like) and in Russia (I was this winter).

              I can compare it myself, as I saw and heard from people (not from the media).

              In Russia at the moment, the standard of living of the people (not rich) is higher than in Ukraine, which makes me very happy (despite the fact that I live and write from Slovakia !!!)
              In Ukraine, almost everything has been stolen, people are “wounding up for work, some in the TS and some in the EU, and from the EU from last year ALL West Ukrainians returned home (the crisis is there, there is no job for their own) or ALREADY looking for work in the East. In Russia, a lot of work from Ukrainians, for example, was taken up by the same essentially unskilled workers from Central Asia.

              In Slovakia, the situation is almost the same as in Ukraine, the prices here in Slovakia / SR are the same as in Russia or Ukraine, but the average income in Slovakia is equal to Russia and higher than in Ukraine!

              In Russia, thank God, there is a stable source of income to the treasury so far (gas, oil 15-20% of the total income / the rest are aligarchs, precious metals / almost everything in Western licenses / profit abroad).
              Neither Ukraine nor Slovakia has such income.

              I sincerely wish that prices for exported raw materials and the ruble / rus exchange rate were stable and were rising!

              Although you’re probably not used to people like me / yes “you see more from behind the hill ...” who criticize their and other authorities / or do not believe in their sweet promises,
              - at the same time WISHED GOOD to the country itself (not their place of residence) and ITS CITIZENS (to you those with 98% of the lower and middle income) and NOT the top 2%! good

              Whether you like this fact or not, it’s so respected, although you probably won’t be able to immediately understand this.

              I see the dangers and potholes for Russia in that, despite the reserves, the immense size of GREAT Russia, he is weak,
              and her rear (finances, the Constitution, the Code of Laws, education, health care, mother protection, care for young families, the elderly and the rest of the devoted socialism that we all have been bogged down by us all) have been successfully successful for 25 years, as elsewhere in the post-Soviet Union (with the exception of RB) - TARGETED AND SUCCESSFULLY DECLINES / sorry it is REFORMED / DESTROYED / RIPPED.

              And the fact that thank God in Russia rises and is done, it’s not Putin’s merit (it’s just “PR for the naive”), but greed and inability to NOT brag about NEW RICHES of different reformers / wreckers at once, who would be glad to do even MORE The trouble is, for example, in my native Ukraine, or here in Slovakia.
              К слову тут у нас в СР/Словакии уже практически подходят к концу «игры и сказки в богатую общую Европу»... > > > Продолжение
              1. michajlo
                michajlo 22 September 2013 23: 56 New
                0
                Continuation No.2 (michajlo SU Today, 23:49 PM _130922 / week).

                Причем уровень политического самосознания на моей родной Украине намного ниже, народ "затуркан", загнан в угол, всякими способами пытается найти работу, принести домой в семью деньги (в любой валюте), i.e. do not live (as thank God for you) but just to survive.
                And few of them, concerned about daily SURVIVAL, have time to stop and ask themselves a simple question:
                - why is there no work at home / in the kitchen and why are the salaries low, if any?
                - What should we not call home, but think about how to force the authorities themselves to do something for the people?
                - AND WHEN not trusting politicians, any heralds or deputies, who had clearly seen their eyes before the elections, and other political prostitutes,

                I see that most people are neither in Russia, nor in Slovakia, nor in Ukraine, yet do not understand what is needed
                - start doing something today,
                - since it was too late yesterday,
                - and tomorrow it may not work out,
                потому что "широкий шлях в рай" for most of us will suddenly change на "узкую горловину перед воротами мясокомбината", откуда уже НЕ БУДЕТ ВОЗВРАТА для всех нас, "списанных" в СКОТ предназначенный на "пушечное мясо" и убой.

                So if you are Peter, you consider such my vision and fears for the future, as provocative or similar (as above here on the Ruslan branch), well, what is your right. what
                Time (only 2-4 years) will quickly put everything in its place.
                Only then it will be late to scratch the head ...

                Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
        5. dmb
          dmb 21 September 2013 18: 09 New
          0
          I agree, I didn’t add the phrase, and the first paragraph lost the meaning. Putin is really involved in the standard of living that the bulk of the people now have, as well as in raising its level among the characters you and I mentioned. The rest of the arguments of my comment, as I understand it, are not objectionable to you.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 September 2013 16: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Volodin
      Alexei, today you hit the extreme. The president has a lot of minuses. But not to notice pluses is also somehow one-sided.

      What have we come to: the non-fulfillment and unsatisfactory fulfillment by the president of his duties prescribed in the Constitution, and violation of the latter - these are just minuses, and fulfilling the duties and observing the Constitution are no longer the norm, but the pluses.

      As they say - survived ...
      1. Volodin
        21 September 2013 16: 44 New
        +3
        К батарейке, у которой есть плюс и минус, тоже претензии имеете? А может отрицательный заряд электрона смущает?.. Возможно, здесь тоже нужно говорить: не плюс, а "норма", не минус, а "подлое и антиконституционное движение зарядов не в ту сторону"?.. Действительно, дожили... - Нашли повод для обсуждения.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 21 September 2013 18: 09 New
          +7
          Quote: Volodin
          Do you have a complaint about a battery that has plus and minus?

          No batteries needed

          You come to the store where the seller has a medical book, where the seller is tidy, where the seller does not cut your sausage with dirty hands without gloves and doesn’t spit on the floor - is this a plus, or is it normal?

          And if the seller is untidy, works without a medical book, takes food with dirty hands, etc. - is it a minus, or an occasion to close the store and initiate proceedings?

          Reread the 1st, 2nd and 4th chapters of the Constitution - everything is there.
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 21 September 2013 20: 52 New
            0
            No batteries needed


            no need about the store

            just give examples of good and just tsars (leaders, leaders ...) who ruled in Russia

            people need clear guidelines, not demagogic cries :)

            (когда я говорил "народ", я подразумевал только посетителей этого сайта)
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 22 September 2013 12: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: fisherman
              no need about the store
              It is necessary - if an analogy is given, then it is adequate.

              just give examples of good and just tsars (leaders, leaders ...) who ruled in Russia
              I won’t - leaderism has already fallen in love.
              For some reason, many people do not stick in any way, that there are no irreplaceable ones, that one should not focus on the person, but on the affairs and the program, that orientation on the leader is a dead end.

              people need clear guidelines, not demagogic cries
              Here is an absolutely clear reference point -
              1. fisherman
                fisherman 22 September 2013 13: 53 New
                +1
                It is necessary - if an analogy is given, then it is adequate.


                and who told you that your analogy is adequate? You yourself? Are you true Are you people

                почему, приводя аналогии, не подчеркиваете тут же, что они все "страдают" неточностью?

                For some reason, many people do not stick in any way, that there are no irreplaceable ones, that one should not focus on the person, but on the affairs and the program, that orientation on the leader is a dead end.


                вождизм уже не канает? теперь Вы приступили к озвучиванию постулатов Вашей теории о "стратегической рациональности"?

                always be guided by the opinion of the people, otherwise it may turn out that the entrance is being repaired, but in reality - preparations are being made for the robbery of the apartment :)

                in general, try to contact people more often, listen to what he says, then you will have an objective opinion about any actions and any programs) words) of any leader ...

                Here is an absolutely clear reference point -


                ask the following question on the Internet: how many interpretations of the Bible exist in the world? :)

                Your interpretation is just a private subjective opinion, suitable for cries on an armored car :)
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 22 September 2013 14: 44 New
                  -2
                  Quote: fisherman
                  And you, as I understand it, the people? laughing

                  No? Then why are you trying to express your vague subjective opinion and give unsolicited advice?
                  Следуя вашей же "логике" Вы этого делать не должны. drinks
                  1. fisherman
                    fisherman 22 September 2013 20: 08 New
                    0
                    And you, as I understand it, the people?


                    amazing logic
                    from which of my words did you make such a breathtaking conclusion?

                    You should not do this.


                    but I don’t do this, I have been reminding modern Bolsheviks for a long time that they carry a blizzard, and not the opinion of the people ...

                    as you can see, everything is very simple, transparent and logical, but don’t worry, I really liked your youthful categorization and this beautiful poster with the Constitution :)
    4. stranik72
      stranik72 21 September 2013 17: 39 New
      12
      Well, if you take its pros and cons, then the output will be minus. For corruption in its time ruined RI and the USSR. And if you take a closer look at those pluses that you named, then in fact this is a continuation of its minuses. As for the introduction of maternal capital, he did not make a radical change in the birth rate, but now there are more children from dysfunctional parents, including due to this. The increase in wages by deducting many social benefits, for the level of lieutenant-captain, and for some WMs to the colonel, turned out to be a fiction, because inflation gobbled up everything. I am silent about retirement, again, you cannot compare it with a civil servant's pension. Internetization of schools, well, if this is considered still a merit of GDP, then let it be a plus, although at the same time the number of schools decreased, as did the number of students in schools. About updating the fleet of military equipment, let it be a plus. You know for 10 years, history knows examples when countries got out of the situation much worse than ours, and he keeps the thieves at the trough, the enemies of Russia are in the heads of the regions and if you don’t see it, then it’s really strange.
      1. carver
        carver 21 September 2013 18: 39 New
        -1
        ))) просто взгляд цепануло минус на плюс будет минус, ну а чего тогда паримся жили же когда минус на минус кругом было и все "довольны" были кругом одни "плюсы". А вообще меня бесят те кто просто чем-то недовольны, при этом ничего не делают чтобы это изменить. Не хотите ничего делать "не можете" не визжите и живите пока как позволяют, а если можете то не визжите и делайте!
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 21 September 2013 19: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: carver
          . Не хотите ничего делать "не можете" не визжите и живите пока как позволяют, а если можете то не визжите и делайте!

          It seems to me that you are the first to scream here. There was a calm discussion before you. What did you do yourself? Explain before hysteria.
          1. carver
            carver 28 September 2013 18: 47 New
            0
            And in what I screeched ???? How did you collect your epaulettes here? Hooray with slogans? Chet I do not remember from you effective posts.
    5. tomket
      tomket 22 September 2013 01: 11 New
      +6
      Словами из книги про обновление техники "...И вот какой-нибудь нарком в 41 вещает с трибуны изумленным слушателям...- в этом году мы закупили не имеющего аналогов высотный перехватчик МиГ-3 , и модернизировали 18 истрибителей и-16 тип 24 ,модернизация существенно повысила их боевой потенциал! Так же мы закупили два совершенно революционных танка т-34. На выделенные деньги в этом году мы достроим два торпедных катера г-5 ,заложенных в 1934 году, а к 1943 году мы введем в строй еще 4 таких же катера ,получив таким образом сбалансированный флот! " как вы думаете ,что бы сделали с этим наркомом????Одна попытка.
    6. tomket
      tomket 22 September 2013 01: 19 New
      +1
      By the way, notice, as soon as the problems started with the budget, Siluanov immediately proposed abolishing the maternity capital, thank God Putin had the smart mind not to take such a step, he would have had the smart mind to put Kudrin with Siluanov against the wall,
    7. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 03: 03 New
      +2
      and Serdyukov is a conscious minus, you can’t betray your team
    8. Dovmont
      Dovmont 22 September 2013 19: 12 New
      0
      Volodin, The program for financing maternity capital is closed by Putin in 2014, due to a lack of funds in the budget!
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 22 September 2013 20: 05 New
        +1
        No solutions yet. Some propose to extend to 25 and up to 50 years. That's when the law will be signed, then we will express ourselves.
    9. krpmlws
      krpmlws 23 September 2013 11: 50 New
      +1
      Volodin, you have a strange logic in your naivety, like there are minuses, but there are pluses! We all know these pluses, but let's compare them with the minuses in fact, as a result, we will assess the situation in the country as a whole, where it led and where it continues Putin will lead us. I won’t even compare it with the twenty pre-war years of Stalin’s rule, although it would be possible to compare the rates of economic growth, the level of strengthening of the state, and so for normal people everything is clear. Russia has great potential that even with the existing criminal government, yes there are some separate positive aspects, and finally they began to finance the army, but all this is drowning in the darkness of negativity.
  2. dizelniy
    dizelniy 21 September 2013 11: 01 New
    +5
    I agree completely, after such a speech, concrete things are needed in the personnel sphere, domestic policy, visible and significant efforts are needed to develop a concept for the development of the country, otherwise our provinces will become patrimonies.
  3. SHILO
    SHILO 21 September 2013 12: 24 New
    +8
    experienced
    Sterkhov puts on the wing! For amphora dives!


    Alexey, I don’t understand, why is this annoying? He is a man, not a drunk - he has the right to hobbies, even fishing! request What is so limited? what
    1. Che
      Che 21 September 2013 13: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: SHILO
      Alexey, I don’t understand, why is this annoying? He is a man, not a drunk - he has the right to hobbies, even fishing!


      Yes, after EBN a striking difference.

      There is no alternative because all current dissenters think not about the country but about the dough. Stuff your own pockets. The era of EBN was not in vain for Russia.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 21 September 2013 18: 38 New
        +1
        There is an opinion that Putin is an alien and subjugates the will of people through the media.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 21 September 2013 19: 18 New
          +1
          Alien organism
          Something the picture did not stick.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Serg 122
            Serg 122 21 September 2013 19: 57 New
            -3
            Earlier in social networks, there were reports that on Saturday, September 21, Putin and Kabaeva intended to get married in the Iversky monastery in Valdai.
            “As I was informed, Putin and Kabaeva are getting married today in an Iversky monastery. The whole Valdai is cordoned off, ”wrote Twitter user @akaloy, lawyer Kaloy Akhilgov. Later, he noted that he was not sure of the reliability of this information, but local residents informed him that FSO officers cordoned off the area near the monastery.
            Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/245048-peskov-oproverg-soobshcheniya-o-venchanii-putin
            ai-kabaevoi

            Here's the solution laughing
            1. 31231
              31231 21 September 2013 20: 27 New
              +3
              Maybe we’ll still discuss Woland’s underwear here ?!
            2. dizelniy
              dizelniy 22 September 2013 18: 38 New
              +1
              Has the right, everyone has a personal life.
              1. 31231
                31231 22 September 2013 20: 37 New
                +2
                Maybe then we will join the gossip forum ?! Do you know something specific for the personal life of GDP? Or just chatting on the net?
  4. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 September 2013 16: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Sterkhov puts on the wing!
  5. t-95-70
    t-95-70 22 September 2013 18: 13 New
    +1
    One must be a very blind person so as not to see the difference between Yeltsin’s Russia and Russia under Putin. Yes, dear, you probably have never made a mistake in life, they always did well to people around you instantly, right? Putin, man, man with his own virtues and disadvantages. But he is a politician who helped the country out of the ass
  6. ans
    ans 23 September 2013 02: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: seasoned
    So what did good GDP do for Russia? Give the facts !!!

    Yes, you sho! Don’t go to the store, don’t use credit cards ... But you found your computer in the trash !!! Bring them the facts ... No need to go far for the facts! Just sit less on the internet wink
  7. washi
    washi 23 September 2013 13: 24 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: mejik
    Putin well done. after all, whoever said that.

    He speaks well! Sterkhov puts on the wing! For amphora dives! He publishes articles in the American press! All this is good, but the President needs to be judged by deeds, not words.
    And most importantly, it’s already difficult to write off all personnel mistakes on the agreement with the old EBN, now the GDP can shuffle the personnel deck as it wants, but all the same Chubais and Co. surround it recourse

    Or maybe we’ll go slowly and ALL the herd? Marshes have not disappeared. And they rushed without a shotgun at the riot police. And if you arm them? You think they are weak, or there are no weapons? Yes, half of the world sleeps and sees a civil war in our country. Need a reason.
    Are you personally ready to give up everything and fight in a civil war? Or like in 1941 many commanders, bosses - save the family?
  • sub307
    sub307 21 September 2013 11: 13 New
    0
    Of course, given that alternatives to Putin are somehow not visible. For now, anyway. Well, is that good? All the same, it’s normal when there is an intelligible and adequate change.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 21 September 2013 11: 51 New
      +4
      Putin did everything to keep her away.

      By the way, this is what is happening to people right now. Scans in the link http://edgun67.livejournal.com/48657.html (please read, there it seems the fate of the Russian person is being decided).

      Criminal case for calling for extremism.


      Last week, on Monday, September 2, I was invited to the FSB department in Segezha.

      There I was introduced to the decision to institute criminal proceedings, under Article 280, part 1:

      Article 280. Public calls for extremist activity

      1. Public calls for extremist activity -

      is punished with a fine of up to three hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to two years, or arrest for a term of four to six months, or imprisonment for up to three years.

      2. The same acts committed using the media -

      is punished by imprisonment for the term up to five years with deprivation of the right to hold certain posts or to engage in certain activities for up to three years.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 14: 37 New
        0
        Quote: zvereok
        Criminal case for calling for extremism.
        Last week, on Monday, September 2, I was invited to the FSB department in Segezha.


        What exactly have you done? From the link the picture is not completely clear.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 21 September 2013 19: 22 New
          -1
          No, not me - I came across an Internet.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 21 September 2013 19: 38 New
            +1


            These events are, to put it mildly, annoying.
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 21 September 2013 19: 49 New
              +3
              This is if it is very soft.
            2. zvereok
              zvereok 22 September 2013 01: 55 New
              +2
              Signature Collection:

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              Signatures are collected in order to ensure law and order in the case of Chimit Tarmaev, who defended his life from six attackers, and sentenced to 8 years of imprisonment in a maximum security prison under Art. 105 (premeditated murder) by the Dorogomilovsky District Court of Moscow.
              Change the prevailing repressive practice in Russia in relation to citizens who were forced to defend themselves, protecting themselves or their loved ones. Regulation ...

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  • Savva30
    Savva30 21 September 2013 13: 06 New
    +2
    And with this, what to do: “The exchange rate policy of the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance is killing Russian production”. Military Review http://topwar.ru/33571-kursovaya-politika-centrobanka-i-minfina-ubivaet-rossiysk
    oe-proizvodstvo.html
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 14: 02 New
    +7
    Quote: mejik
    I watched with interest the day before yesterday live broadcast. Putin well done. after all, whoever said that.


    Действительно, ну что тут скажешь? Говорит хорошо и правильно всегда. И только. Страной не он управляет, он только говорит. Глобальный грабеж страны продолжается, а он все .. говорит. Вот когда негодяев назовет, осудит навечно, награбленное вернет, в экономику вложит в Российскую, в страну вложит, а не в западные бумаги - вот тогда и будем кричать ура - а пока тошно и противно. Да, ещё героев наших пускай назовет и возвысит - реальных героев, а не "бумажных". Негодяев и героев мы ведь знаем поименно и пофамильно, не так ли? Что и как украли и где лежит, то же знаем.
  • Donvel
    Donvel 21 September 2013 23: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: mejik
    I watched with interest the day before yesterday live broadcast. Putin well done. after all, whoever said that.


    Of course well done. He pushed another speech about how everything will be fine, but the people only need to hear this. We live tomorrow, but we are not doing anything here and now.
  • little man
    little man 23 September 2013 01: 33 New
    0
    Putin is a talent for speaking, or rather for fucking.
    "Я открыл журнал Корея...и все идет по плану"
    Country in the ass and for such - mejik - God's dew.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 21 September 2013 08: 05 New
    +9
    Power is not perfect - that's for sure ....
    The Munich speech was interesting, I remember a friend called me and said:
    - Watch TV, and the Way from the doll turns into world-class politics !!!!
    И спустя два месяца Мы узнаем об подписании о статусе сил NATO на территории России ФЗ-99, где войсковым подразделениям "Северного Альянса" разрешалось пересекать границу РФ без таможенного оформления с вооружением и техникой и членами их семей......
    By the way, this law is still valid .....
    и единственный закон имеющий двойника-прикрытие Федеральный закон от 4 мая 2011 г. N 99-ФЗ "О лицензировании отдельных видов деятельности" (с изменениями и дополнениями).
    So somehow I’m afraid of such patriotic speeches not confirmed by CASE. Although he has no other choice but to turn to the Russian People .....
    But then you have to carry out NATIONALIZATION and give SURGUTNEFTEGAZ)))))
    P \ S The reasons for this behavior I tried to explain in a fairy tale)))))
    Do you remember the story is a lie, but there is a hint in it, my grandmother used to say))))
    http://vserusskie.ru/group/topic/?id=6c6dd63f1ea84de2858fdb7551ef658e#Topic
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      И спустя два месяца Мы узнаем об подписании о статусе сил NATO на территории России ФЗ-99, где войсковым подразделениям "Северного Альянса" разрешалось пересекать границу РФ без таможенного оформления с вооружением и техникой и членами их семей.....

      Asgard, that’s all nonsense. That they still haven’t crossed the border.
      Quote: Asgard
      By the way, this law is still valid .....

      And NATO MEMBERS and their families are still inactive. And this with the open gate laughing
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 September 2013 11: 13 New
        12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Asgard, that’s all nonsense. That they still haven’t crossed the border.

        Yes, they are corny in Russia as the Poles of Susanin’s times. Recently, my distant relatives decided to visit their ancestral homeland, a village in the Oryol region, from the French hillock, so I brought them first to the Borodino field and then drove there by car, only 400 km from Moscow, which was shocked by the vast expanses and natural beauty. How can you fight with Russia if you can get lost corny despite all the modern technologies. They haven’t seen Siberia yet ... Well, moonshine on dark buckwheat honey with organic products from the local farmstead and an overnight stay in the hayloft brought them indescribable delight.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          .Well, moonshine on dark buckwheat honey with organic products from the local farmstead and an overnight stay in the hayloft brought them indescribable delight.

          Alcoholics are these custodians
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 September 2013 12: 05 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alcoholics are these custodians


            Well. firstly, they have Russian blood in them, and secondly they experienced a civilizational shock smile
        2. Oskar
          Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 10 New
          +6
          We already threw icons at the Japanese in 1904, Germans at 1941 - with hats. It is dangerous to underestimate the enemy! In the USSR, the leadership was entirely pessimistic, as a result: the strongest army, the most powerful defense industry, the second economy in the world in terms of GDP. Optimism is the decoration of fools and careless!
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 13 New
            0
            Name at least one pessimist in the USSR
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 September 2013 13: 05 New
            12
            Quote: Oskar
            Optimism is the decoration of fools and careless!


            Ну почему же я с оптимизмом несмотря на развал армии и сердюковщину почти 30лет прослужил в армии (РВСН,ВКО были времена по 130суток БД в год в медкнижке отмечено) и сейчас с оптимизмом работаю в структуре в частности принимающей участие в строительстве к примеру космодрома Восточный,оснащением Генштаба и проч. обыкновенным "синим воротничком" и поверьте получаю довольно небольшие деньги. Одни командировочные да премии позволяют иногда что-то себе позволить помимо питания квартплаты и текущих расходов.
            1. Che
              Che 21 September 2013 15: 11 New
              +5
              Ascetic respect, only be more careful with info. Site under a cap of amers and other evil spirits.
        3. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 03: 26 New
          0
          they didn’t know real life
    2. rereture
      rereture 21 September 2013 12: 05 New
      +5
      Maybe you won’t lie?
      There is no word in the law about
      NATO status in Russia


      Here is the law
      http://base.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi?req=doc;base=LAW;n=148978
    3. 31231
      31231 21 September 2013 13: 35 New
      +2
      Could you be more specific with the law on the status of NATO forces ?! And then the talk is as much as with the air base in Ulyanovsk.
    4. rexby63
      rexby63 21 September 2013 14: 51 New
      +2
      Read more closely No. 99-F3:

      2) под используемыми в статье VI Соглашения словами "владеть оружием" Российская Федерация на основе взаимности будет понимать применение и использование оружия, а под словами "благосклонно рассматривают просьбы принимающего государства" - обязанность органов власти направляющего государства take into account the requirements of the host state regarding the carrying, transporting, transporting, using and using weapons;

      Or attentive reading - it is not for cattle, but for individuals with loud pseudonyms? You should be more modest when choosing, you’ll drive, you look and they will take a word, so as not to spizil
      1. 31231
        31231 21 September 2013 15: 00 New
        +1
        If it does not complicate the article number, give, and if possible, comment on it.
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 21 September 2013 16: 00 New
        0
        http://www.rg.ru/2007/06/16/partnesrstvo-doc.html
        Link to the law ....
        Ратифицировать Соглашение между государствами - участниками Североатлантического договора и другими государствами, участвующими в программе "Партнерство ради мира", о статусе их Сил от 19 июня 1995 года, подписанное от имени Российской Федерации в городе Вильнюсе 21 апреля 2005 года, и Дополнительный протокол к Соглашению между государствами - участниками Североатлантического договора и другими государствами, участвующими в программе "Партнерство ради мира", о статусе их Сил от 19 июня 1995 года, подписанный от имени Российской Федерации в городе Софии 28 апреля 2006 года, со следующим заявлением:....and further in the text
        I read it all and additional agreements, so I’m competent ......

        Now about the cattle, do not call yourself that))
        Russian Children say, Who calls him what he’s called)))
        And the Russian people have such an aphorism, if you want to know a person of the same type - ask what he thinks about other people ....

        Apparently, you are still that type))))))))) incompetent in all matters ...
        since my Nick obliges to be the first among equals ...
        And I try to comply with this, each WORD and STATEMENT is 100% my TRUTH, which should become yours (when you gain knowledge about the structure of the World surrounding you)))
        So it’s worth apologizing, you don’t find (humanly))
        1. rereture
          rereture 21 September 2013 16: 19 New
          +3
          I read it carefully and did not see anywhere that
          войсковым подразделениям "Северного Альянса" разрешалось пересекать границу РФ без таможенного оформления с вооружением и техникой и членами их семей......
        2. 31231
          31231 21 September 2013 17: 43 New
          +2
          I still have this law in the tab open. And if you give the article number and comments on it
          где войсковым подразделениям "Северного Альянса" разрешалось пересекать границу РФ без таможенного оформления с вооружением и техникой и членами их семей
          I will be very grateful.
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 21 September 2013 15: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      - Watch TV, and the Way from the doll turns into world-class politics !!!!


      Well, yes, it looks like another conspiracy - the United States will merge with Obama and Israel, and Putin will be the new world leader - how do you like this world scenario backstage? hi
    6. michajlo
      michajlo 22 September 2013 00: 51 New
      0
      Asgard (2) SU Yesterday, 08:05, _130921 / Fri

      Good evening Vladimir!

      Thanks for the link, I read with interest, some aspects of the situation, it describes with humor, but the general vision of the “state of things”, for now, is not clear to me, or simply hidden from my meager mind.

      Sincerely, Mikhailo.
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  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 21 September 2013 08: 16 New
    +4
    Власть и не может быть идеальной,как гриться:"для всех хорош не будешь",а если будешь,-то во вред себе; в данном случае во вред гос-ву.Разве не так. hi
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 08: 31 New
    +7
    I learned with interest that in Soviet times so attentive to this were the attitude of the small nations. Almost every small nation had its own print edition, supported languages, national literature. By the way, much of what was done in this sense before, we need to return and adopt.
    That's for sure. Now many peoples are shouting about the Russification genocide .. I remember what nationalities their culture lives in the USSR (from TV books and textbooks) Now ask any schoolchild he will probably only call Chechens .. And in the west there were no nations and cultures at all .. In the USSR, the national question was posed at the level (they just didn’t appreciate it all)
  • the polar
    the polar 21 September 2013 08: 36 New
    0
    Господин Путин своей речью показал, что он не имеет элементарного понятия о "национальном вопросе", иначе бы он не произносил такие бессмысленные термины, как "национальная идентичность" и "национальная идея", уверяя при этом, что страна многонациональная, а все нации равны. Господин Путин зачитал по бумажке чужой конспект, сочиненный его борзыми помощниками, ни мало не вдумываясь в написанную на листках галиматью, и отбыл на очередную рыбалку или полеты с гусями.
    In general, he made another pile of shit, in which they will now rummage around looking for a pearl there.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 08: 55 New
      0
      And they will find, after all, and not one! Fortunately there is where to look, a bunch of something big!
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 21 September 2013 09: 31 New
        -6
        Quote: Polar
        In general, he made another bunch of shit

        Quote: Oskar
        Fortunately there is where to look, a bunch of something big!

        The pig will find dirt everywhere.
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 21 September 2013 10: 01 New
          -7
          Pig shit everywhere. From her sense - gov..o and meat. Gov.a much more.
        2. the polar
          the polar 21 September 2013 10: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: SPACE
          Quote: Polar
          In general, he made another bunch of shit

          Quote: Oskar
          Fortunately there is where to look, a bunch of something big!

          The pig will find dirt everywhere.

          It would be more beneficial for you if you could say something more intelligible.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 21 September 2013 10: 58 New
            -2
            Quote: Polar
            It would be more beneficial for you if you could say something more intelligible.

            I see no reason for fiercely polarized oscars
            и
            throw beads.
            Forgive me for distracting you from Prudent self-digging in succulent feces, a pleasant pastime for YOU. ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT RESPECT, take my leave, enjoy.
            Z.Y. What can be said about people who, pathologically, do not see anything good, either in words or in the affairs of their PRESIDENT and their country. Yes, now I understand that Russia is chronically ill with just such bacilli!
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 21 September 2013 12: 24 New
              +8
              Quote: SPACE
              . What can be said about people who, pathologically, do not see anything good, either in words or in the affairs of their PRESIDENT and their country.


              Before they poured a portion of slop, they usually ended with a postulate .. but in civilized countries, everything rosy and wonderful. Now I’m watching already hear a little like this, it’s not rolling ... So progress in the liberal consciousness is evident laughing
              Recently, according to the zomboyaschik Khakamada and Svinidze, the brains once again powdered an old parable about fish and fishing rod. in terms of how beautiful Western-style liberal capitalism is. Everyone is accustomed to dependency, as in socialism where they fed a hungry fish. and we liberals gave him a fishing rod in the 90s so that he could fish himself. But in fact, all this capitalism sells this fishing rod on credit, not letting the hungry man understand that he still does not have access to the fish pond and the right to catch , because and a pond and a fish have long belonged to those to whom it also owes a fishing rod. This is such a liberal world order.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 21 September 2013 12: 51 New
                13
                When they tell me about wealthy people able to make money I usually suggest recalling the date of September 22, 1992. it was from this period that all modern oligarchs began to form. Here is a brief summary of how it was

                December 20, 1991 all the assets and property of the State Bank of the USSR in Russia were transferred to the Bank of Russia (Central Bank, Central Bank of the Russian Federation). The new government of the Russian Federation, in order to turn the ruble into a convertible currency and liquidate the black currency market, began organizing foreign exchange trading.
                On January 1992, 8, the Central Bank set the official US dollar rate to 110 rubles (similar to the black market rate). On January 9, the Bank of Russia, the Government of Moscow and the Association of Russian Banks established AOZT Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange (MICEX), which began to conduct trading in foreign currency, first only in US dollars). Foreign exchange trading led to the depreciation of the ruble. By 3.3.1992, the dollar rose to 140,1 rubles.
                1992, 28 July The Central Bank allowed the sale of currency to citizens of the Russian Federation without presenting a passport and an exit visa. The entire population was involved in currency trading.
                1992, 22 сентября Первый "черный вторник". За день курс доллара вырос с 205,5 до 241 руб. Быстрое падение рубля позволило обогащаться предпринимателям, имевшим доступ к государственным кредитам. Получив кредит в рублях, его переводили в валюту, а затем продавали её по курсу, растущему быстрее кредитной ставки. Таким образом, предприниматель вовремя возвращал кредит в рублях, получая значительные доходы безо всяких усилий и вложений.
                This is how the first oligarchs appeared who washed the initial capital and, using the voucher privatization of Chubais and Gaidar, bought up all the liquid enterprises with this money, having previously deprived them of fixed assets and went bankrupt for nothing.
                Потом досталось видимо не всем причастным или мало показалось и они устроили Второй "чёрный вторник" 11 октября 1994г.За день курс доллара США на торгах ММВБ вырос с 2833 до 3926 руб. По факту этого бедствия была учреждена особая комиссия, в докладе которой перечисляются компании, нажившиеся на таком падении курса национальной валюты. 10 Руководство Центробанка лишилось должностей, на ММВБ провели реорганизацию работы. Однако компании олигархов то не пострадали. Ну а потом был окончательный финиш- август 1998г когда был обьявлен дефолт. На торгах ММВБ 31.8 курс покупки доллара с утра составлял 8,6 руб., а вечером 10 руб. И опять осведомленные получили неплохой гешефт.

                That's the whole brief history of the enrichment of effective managers and the creative class living with their handouts. And now they are again eager for power, only Putin with bloody gebnya interferes effective development Russian essence of which I set out above
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 September 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Now there are no politicians at the Putin level in the world, he would still have competent economists as assistants
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 10: 06 New
      +6
      Really in the world there. And this is happiness for the world.
      А дефективных менеджеров у него полно, еще на два срока правления в очередь выстроились... Плюс дети "соратников" подрастут.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 21 September 2013 10: 30 New
        +5
        Happiness may be happy for the Gay world, but Putin suits me, for his reign for the first time since the days of the USSR, I’m not ashamed of Russia
        1. True
          True 21 September 2013 10: 39 New
          +3
          He brought Il Tsyn by the handle! These ....... destroyed my Great Motherland, the Soviet Union! .... Close me with him in a dark room for 5 minutes ...
          1. Oskar
            Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 06 New
            -2
            Koschey - immortal, while Ivanushki - fools!
            Call me, together in 2 minutes we will transfer these worms!
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 21 September 2013 11: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Oskar
              Call me, together in 2 minutes we will transfer these worms!

              I will be the third. drinks
          2. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 21 September 2013 11: 13 New
            +4
            I think Putin’s one minute is enough for you to disassemble
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 19 New
              0
              Think, think.)))) You have not seen me !!!
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 September 2013 11: 23 New
                +1
                What is so scary?
                1. Oskar
                  Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 44 New
                  0
                  For enemies, yes!
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 05 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  What is so scary?

                  Yes no strong as Hercules laughing
                  1. Oskar
                    Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 13 New
                    -2
                    Well, stronger than a couple of 60-year-olds!
                    1. ivshubarin
                      ivshubarin 21 September 2013 13: 24 New
                      +2
                      It depends on what. Our grandfathers manually dismantled the boards
                      1. Oskar
                        Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 41 New
                        +2
                        A deep bow to our grandfathers! Speech, of course not about them, God forbid. I'm talking about other grandfathers, with Botox in the face.
              2. carver
                carver 21 September 2013 19: 23 New
                +3
                I’ll tell you one clever thing now, but don’t be offended: there is a proverb in Russia: - a large cupboard falls louder.
            2. True
              True 21 September 2013 11: 24 New
              +1
              he is one hundred years old, he is on Botax. Stole-dying dumb.
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: True
            He brought Il Tsyn by the handle!

            It is not yet known whether Yeltsin himself resigned or was tenderly asked.
            Quote: True
            These ....... destroyed my Great Motherland, the Soviet Union!

            Who are Putin or the Communists led by Gorbaty and Yeltsin?
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 11 New
              +6
              Yeltsin must have made an offer that is hard to refuse
            2. Mikado
              Mikado 21 September 2013 12: 36 New
              +1
              Putin was not a communist?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: Mikado
                Putin was not a communist?

                I don’t know, maybe it was, but it certainly has nothing to do with the events of 1991.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 21 September 2013 15: 00 New
                  0
                  а я знаю, в партию он вступил ещё учась в университете, иначе бы он не получил распределение в ГБ работать. Тогда, кстати, студенту было крайне сложно попасть в партию, существовали квоты, партия считалась рабоче-крестьянской, поэтому в основном туда принимали людей рабочих и сельхоз профессий, а вот на "интеллигенцию" квоты были маленькие, я уж молчу про студентов, попасть можно было туда (в партию) из этой среды только по очень большим заслугам.
              2. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 41 New
                0
                It was under Stalin that the ranks of the party were purged, then they began to take everyone in a row
        2. Oskar
          Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 23 New
          -3
          For you, only Putin and Co. are people. The rest are gays and agents of the State Department or simultaneously))).
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 21 September 2013 11: 31 New
            +2
            No, I just see that without his kick, local kings do nothing, but not replace with anyone. There is safety in numbers
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 41 New
              +2
              Он же сам такую вертикаль недееспособную отстроил!!! Крича о "диктатуре закона"! Не помните?
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 September 2013 11: 49 New
                +3
                I’ve rebuilt the vertical, and officials have been sitting since 80, you won’t move it. All former communists and Komsomol members
                1. Oskar
                  Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 16 New
                  0
                  Putin do not think the former Komsomol and the former communist? He worked in the KGB, and even abroad! Exactly - move the hell!
                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 24 New
                    +2
                    I like it under Putin, you want to shift chaos, I’m not your assistant
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 21 September 2013 12: 38 New
                      +5
                      Abstracting from Putin and generally from politics, your model of behavior is very selfish - The main thing is that I feel good, how others do not care for me.
                      1. ivshubarin
                        ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 46 New
                        +2
                        I’m used to answering for myself, and I’m not imposing myself. There is work, everything is in my hands, I’m not going to wait for manna from the authorities.
                      2. Mikado
                        Mikado 21 September 2013 15: 15 New
                        -1
                        So one must answer not only for oneself. I’m not going to teach you how to live, but with such a position in life there will be nothing good, well, you can and will be, but there is no country and others. Although he promised not to touch politics, the saddest example is the collapse of the Union, when so many people, especially people at the top, believing that they have everything, they are fine, they didn’t do anything, well, they got what they got. Moreover, some of them even began to live even better, and the country collapsed and what happened then we all know. And, again I repeat, this is not only about politics; in any sphere of life one does not need to build a fence in order not to see the environment, in other words, one does not have to be selfish.
                      3. ivshubarin
                        ivshubarin 21 September 2013 15: 21 New
                        +4
                        I am not a politician to carry public opinion. Therefore, I express my opinion, and not virtual folk.
                      4. dizelniy
                        dizelniy 22 September 2013 19: 04 New
                        +4
                        Думаю, всем не равнодушным нужно, в свете этой концептуальной речи, найти своё место в общественной жизни. Кроме нас самих нам могут "помочь" только США, а нам это надо? Шевелить местную власть можно только через общественные организации, любые, охотников, рыболовов, фотографов, экологическое движение и пр. Во первых, это трибуна и даже СМИ отреагируют на результаты собрания, если там будут требования к местной власти, во вторых эта власть Вас обязательно должна выслушать и ответить, ей нужно напоминать, что мы её выбираем. Если ждать, что лично президент вмешается по месту жительства каждого - жизни не хватит. Мне здаётся, что ОН нас к этому терпеливо призывает, только это всё же должна быть созидательная работа.
                      5. SPACE
                        SPACE 22 September 2013 19: 54 New
                        +4
                        Quote: dizelniy
                        If you wait for the president to personally intervene at the place of residence of everyone, life will not be enough. It seems to me that HE patiently calls us to this, only this should still be creative work.

                        Well, finally, after all, at least one seeing, hearing, thinking and understanding person! +
                        good hi
              2. Oskar
                Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 38 New
                +5
                In my opinion, chaos is expressed in non-compliance with laws, and now this phenomenon is taking place, moreover, on a massive scale. For some, the law, but for others, drawbar.
                1. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 51 New
                  +1
                  When at 90 there was no work and the land was plowed along the roads, I would not forget to plant potatoes at least. And now in supermarkets there are lines with full baskets, in cities traffic jams from the abundance of cars and everything from crap life. Putin is to blame
                2. Oskar
                  Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 02 New
                  0
                  The ability of people to be content with little (and that depends on world oil prices) is simply amazing, and this is despite the fact that we recently lived in a superpower.
                3. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 21 September 2013 13: 05 New
                  +1
                  And what do you need from Putin’s global so that he would give you a piece of the oil pipe
                4. Oskar
                  Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 10 New
                  0
                  God bless you, I don’t need anything from them!
                  But, you must admit, it is bad that the current well-being is measured by pieces of pipe, barrels, cubic meters and rating points.
                5. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 21 September 2013 13: 22 New
                  +2
                  Each country trades what it has. Saudi and Qatar do not worry
              3. Garrin
                Garrin 21 September 2013 13: 43 New
                +9
                Quote: ivshubarin
                And what do you need from Putin’s global so that he would give you a piece of the oil pipe

                Although the question is not addressed to me, I will answer as well. I don’t need any piece of pipe. But I need to tame the thieves and embezzlers, I need to moderate the appetites of the oligarchs, I need to spend the budget money not on various entertainments, but on the case and purposefully. After all, how many disabled children could be cured with money stolen in Sochi? How many children injured in hot spots can make cool prostheses, quality strollers, give out cars for the money that is now being stolen under the pretext of the World Cup? How many people living in ruins provide decent housing for money thrown into the summit?
                But all these issues are in the competence of the president, otherwise, what kind of guarantor is he?
              4. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 September 2013 14: 18 New
                +2
                If it weren’t for the summit, three bridges, a theater, hotels, a university, an aqua park had not been built, they would not have modernized the sewers, the airport, and roads in Vladivostok. All of the above will leave behind new stadiums and infrastructure.
              5. Garrin
                Garrin 21 September 2013 15: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: ivshubarin
                If it weren’t for the summit, three bridges, a theater, hotels, a university, an aqua park had not been built, they would not have modernized the sewers, the airport, and roads in Vladivostok. All of the above will leave behind new stadiums and infrastructure.

                What they built is very good. Noah didn’t write about what was built, but about what was stolen. By the way, one ice palace where skaters will compete is transferred to a shopping center after the Olympics, and in the second, the Russian hockey team was not able to conduct training camps because of the high cost of renting ice.
              6. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 September 2013 15: 29 New
                +2
                You offer not to build anything, but to distribute everything. We’ll eat everything and there’s nothing left
              7. Garrin
                Garrin 21 September 2013 16: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: ivshubarin
                You offer not to build anything, but to distribute everything.

                No, it’s better that the Taburetkins with their swans are plundered.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 September 2013 13: 07 New
      +2
      Putin was no longer taking a superpower, but what was left of it
    3. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 16 New
      +5
      Very much remained of her, believe me. They are still digging.
    4. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 September 2013 14: 22 New
      +2
      You performed an audit or so blurt out
  • 31231
    31231 21 September 2013 13: 48 New
    +6
    Ога-Ога, вон оранжисты в Украине лучшей жизни намайданили. Прежде чем что то менять, надо видеть этому лучшую замену. Вы видите? "Имя, сестра? Имя?".
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 September 2013 17: 03 New
    -2
    Quote: ivshubarin
    When in 90
    And you do not compare with the abstract 90s, but specifically the first half of the 08th with the second half of the 99th.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 September 2013 17: 08 New
    0
    For me, 08 went the same as 07 and 05, I don’t know about you
  • 31231
    31231 21 September 2013 17: 57 New
    +2
    For some, the 90s are abstract, and for someone, a scar in my head. And some of them left to feed the worms.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 September 2013 19: 20 New
    0
    Quote: ivshubarin
    For me, 08 went the same as 07 and 05, I don’t know about you

    Quote: 31231
    For some, the 90s are abstract, and for someone, a scar in my head. And some of them left to feed the worms.

    1 93rd and 99th are the same thing?

    2 If not, with what joy is it to compare the 10th with the 90s and hang up the Order of Vova for changing the situation for the better?


    Имеются все основания сравнивать 10-е с первой половиной 2000-го, тем самым пытаясь дать оценку "достижениям" Путина.

    There is reason to compare the second half of the 2st with the first half of 91 (the conditions in which the country was at the time of coming to power) and the end of the 2000th with the beginning of the 99th (the results of being in power) - if we compare the activities of GDP and EBNya.

    But comparing the 10s with some abstract 90s is nothing more than a substitution of concepts, since all the pros and cons that occurred before 01.01.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX nationwide have nothing to do with Putin.
  • fisherman
    fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 06 New
    0
    "имеются основания" для сравнения именно этого временного отрезка с именно этим временным отрезком ...

    yes ... it sounds beautiful :)
  • the polar
    the polar 21 September 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: ivshubarin
    I’ve rebuilt the vertical, and officials have been sitting since 80, you won’t move it. All former communists and Komsomol members

    С логикой не дружите. Если он "вертикаль" из гoвнa построил, значит его это устраивало. За что же вы ему романсы поете?
    1. 31231
      31231 21 September 2013 14: 31 New
      +1
      Вы я вижу к той "вертикале" принюхивались и анализы из неё брали?!
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 September 2013 15: 25 New
    +3
    Russia, not Germany which you can drive in four hours. Try to track what’s happening on the ground.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 September 2013 16: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: ivshubarin
    One in the field is not a warrior
    Какой же он "один"? С ним вся питерская бригада.

    Quote: ivshubarin
    No, I just see that without his kick, local kings cannot do anything.
    1. denn
      denn 21 September 2013 19: 46 New
      -1
      1) acts as a guarantor of compliance with the rights and freedoms of Soviet citizens, the Constitution and laws of the USSR;
      2) take the necessary measures to protect the sovereignty of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Union Republics, security and territorial integrity of the country, to implement the principles of the national state structure of the USSR;
      3) represents the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics within the country and in international relations;
      4) heads the system of government and ensures their interaction with the highest bodies of state power of the USSR;
      5) submit annual reports on the situation of the country to the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR; informs the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the most important questions of the internal and foreign policy of the USSR;
      6) taking into account the opinion of the Council of the Federation and in agreement with the Supreme Council of the USSR, forms the Cabinet of Ministers of the USSR, makes changes to it, submits to the Supreme Council of the USSR a candidate for the post of Prime Minister; in agreement with the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, dismisses the Prime Minister and members of the Cabinet of Ministers of the USSR;
      7) submits to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR candidates for the posts of Chairman of the Supreme Court of the USSR, Prosecutor General of the USSR, Chairman of the Supreme Arbitration Court of the USSR, then submits these officials to the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR for approval; enters with submissions to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and to the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR on relieving these officials from their duties, with the exception of the Chairman of the Supreme Court of the USSR;
      8) signs the laws of the USSR; the right not later than two weeks to return the law with his objections to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR for re-discussion and voting. If the Supreme Soviet of the USSR by a two-thirds majority vote in each of the chambers confirms a decision previously made by him, the President of the USSR signs the law;
      9) the right to revoke decisions and orders of the Cabinet of Ministers of the USSR, acts of ministries of the USSR, other bodies subordinate to it; it has the right, on matters within the jurisdiction of the USSR, to suspend the execution of decisions and orders of the Councils of Ministers of the republics in cases of violation by them of the Constitution of the USSR and laws of the USSR;

      Explain the difference? Particular attention to number 9. What questions may still be?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 22 September 2013 13: 30 New
        0
        Quote: denn
        Explain the difference?
        Explain.

        And at the same time comment on paragraphs a), c), e) of article 83 and article 85 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Oskar
    For you, only Putin and Co. are people

    No, Putin is far from happy with everything and I often roll a barrel on him. It’s just that it’s not thoughtless to drop Putin for long, but will it get better after the revolution ??? As practice shows, it always gets worse.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 47 New
      +4
      It’s better to do nothing in this life without thinking.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 08 New
        0
        It’s better to do nothing in this life without thinking.


        правильно, "теория малых дел" Вам в руки, читайте эту инструкцию и вперед ... у нас много дел на Руси

        Or are you only interested in the throne? :)
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 21 September 2013 21: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Oskar
        It’s better to do nothing in this life without thinking.


        Вы кстати по всей видимости случайно описали японскую теорию (стратегию) "спелой хурмы", суть которой ждать положительный для себя результат не делая лишних движений! good Although medieval junk, it still does not work badly.
  • Garrin
    Garrin 21 September 2013 11: 05 New
    +9
    Quote: Oskar
    Плюс дети "соратников" подрастут.

    Who are now being trained and brought up in Oakfords, Harvards and Cambridges and in the future will work in the interests of the adversaries.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 20 New
      +4
      Already work.
    2. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 58 New
      +5
      I have been wondering for a long time: what Putin is the enemy for the USA? The children of Putin’s elite are studying in the West, the elite themselves are being treated, resting, keeping money and have real estate and other assets in the same place, it is scary to think about the country's funds in the USA. Even a recent McCain article only raised Putin's rating. It would be more logical to write a laudatory article. They decided to fix the rating after the teleconference and public divorce? Now Syria is deprived of the last trump card against Israel and the United States. Good enemies !!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Oskar
        I have been wondering for a long time: what Putin is the enemy for the USA?

        Friend and ally laughing What is not understood in the brain, what is not clear in the head.
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 33 New
          +2
          Судя по действиям Путина и его элиты и бездействию США, то конечно друг и союзник. А в чем враждебность проявляется, если отбросить пустые слова и громкие заявления обеих сторон? Если учесть, что элита страшно уязвима для США, а конкретных действий "амеры" не предпринимают, что получается?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Oskar
            Judging by the actions of Putin and his elite and the inaction of the United States

            And what else do you think the United States should do, declare a warrior of Russia?
            Quote: Oskar
            Если учесть, что элита страшно уязвима для США, а конкретных действий "амеры" не предпринимают, что получается?

            Who exactly is vulnerable, what are the last names and which of them is irreplaceable?
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 45 New
              +3
              Of course, there are no irreplaceable people (except Putin, naturally), but however, for 13 years the same snouts have been looming, floating up here and there.
              And the United States has many levers of pressure besides war. Countries and governments are outcasts, have you heard of such?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 49 New
                +5
                Quote: Oskar
                but however, for 13 years the same snouts have been looming, floating up here and there.

                Here, yes, annoying.
                Quote: Oskar
                And the United States has many levers of pressure besides war.

                Well, for example? Here the list of Magnitsky was introduced and what is Russia from him? We and you in particular wanted to give a damn about this list. We put poles in wheels for the construction of gas pipelines ... And here we are slowly building, and Amerov’s Nabucco no longer exists. Russia is not Iran, you will not introduce sanctions against us.
                1. Oskar
                  Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 58 New
                  0
                  Do not tell, in the list of magnetic only insignificant persons.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 13: 17 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Oskar
                    Do not tell, in the list of magnetic only insignificant persons.

                    Who appointed by Putin laughing
                    And I understand that you don’t have a surname who can be put in Putin’s place. So the meaning of your slogan is Putin’s share? We are sure that it will become better, and not vice versa.
                  2. Oskar
                    Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 25 New
                    0
                    Да, сомнения терзают и не уверен я. Но если ничего не менять страна погибнет медленной смертью (срок зависит от ретивости таких "эффективных" менеджеров, как Сердюков) в крайнем случае до конца 2024 г. (это при сохранении уровня цен на нефть). Либо быстрой, если цены рухнут. Тоже, согласитесь, не варианты...
                  3. 31231
                    31231 21 September 2013 14: 12 New
                    +3
                    Eka twisted you in convolutions

                    But if nothing is changed, the country will die a slow death


                    Прям аж думал, что мы только крепчать начинаем, а оно вон оно как "Гибнем!".
                    Да уж и как то ведь надо с такими "всёпросральщиками" обычным людям страну строить.
                  4. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 16: 22 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Oskar
                    Yes, doubts torment me and I'm not sure.

                    And I won’t get to change the wires if I don’t know for sure that I won’t be shocked.
                    Everything else, well, wait and see, survive, find out hi
                2. the polar
                  the polar 21 September 2013 14: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov

                  And I understand that you don’t have a surname who can be put in Putin’s place. So the meaning of your slogan is Putin’s share? We are sure that it will become better, and not vice versa.

                  Or can you explain how Putin’s team managed to build such a system that there’s no one to replace it already?

                  Is there really only one uneducated, unfit for anything, besides Mr. Putin?
                  Or maybe just this is one of the political goals of the Putin clan?
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 16: 23 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Polar
                  Or can you explain how Putin’s team managed to build such a system that there’s no one to replace it already?

                  Is Putin also to blame for the fact that you cannot give a surname? Dare and maybe the country will vote for you hi
    3. 31231
      31231 21 September 2013 13: 55 New
      +1
      Эт да, чисто по дружески наши военные корабли ходят около амерских в Восточном Средиземноморье. Ещё маленько и будет "встреча на Эльбе".
  • 31231
    31231 21 September 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Thanks, neighing. For Putin, an ally of the United States. Bashar al-Assad worked in England, but for some reason he is not considered an ally of small-shavens in Syria.
  • tennis
    tennis 21 September 2013 11: 38 New
    +5
    We would have Navalny, in a month Russia would have been in the first place. Which end is another question.
  • True
    True 21 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    So many typos in the word escorts I see for the first time.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 10: 23 New
      +1
      Escort economists mean?)))
  • stranik72
    stranik72 21 September 2013 10: 27 New
    +4
    He has competent Chubais, Golikov, Medvedev and other rabble. There are not those for whom Russia is the Motherland, and the people are not an empty phrase.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 21 September 2013 23: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: ivshubarin
    Now there are no politicians at the Putin level in the world, he would still have competent economists

    It is strange that a politician with a level higher than the world lacks at least competent economists.
  • Oskar
    Oskar 21 September 2013 10: 18 New
    -1
    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: Polar
    In general, he made another bunch of shit

    Quote: Oskar
    Fortunately there is where to look, a bunch of something big!

    The pig will find dirt everywhere.


    Looking for already?
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      1. SPACE
        SPACE 21 September 2013 11: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: True
        together with your Siberian Crane you will hang on the lamppost.

        Something does not surprise me at all at the possibility, such as YOU of nonhumans, to hang people on lampposts, history remembers from 41 to 45 such!
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 26 New
          -1
          Inhumans hanged by people will hang on pillars. Feel the difference?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 09 New
            +5
            Quote: Oskar
            . Feel the difference?

            Are you a man here? Don’t humiliate others.
          2. SPACE
            SPACE 21 September 2013 13: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Oskar
            Inhumans hanged by people will hang on pillars. Feel the difference?

            No, I don’t feel it, no matter who they hang, it is important that there is no difference between the executioners.
          3. 31231
            31231 21 September 2013 14: 15 New
            +1
            Эт вы что ли будете определять "кто нелюдь, а кто людь?". Сколько хоть годков у вас стажу в роли Понти Пилата?
        2. 31231
          31231 21 September 2013 13: 59 New
          +1
          Yes, you do not respond to it. He is young and green. His wind of revolution brought here. Well, a little podprodul in my head.
          1. Oskar
            Oskar 21 September 2013 14: 22 New
            -2
            This I will not respond to you. For obvious reasons.
            I am embarrassed to ask, and what trade wind brought you?
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 21 September 2013 10: 21 New
    +1
    In almost everything I agree with Putin, but, as Comrade Zyuganov said, their words and their deeds are too far apart. In fact, after such a speech, you need to start with the fact that in the lice drive out the ultra-liberal government of Medvedev. But it still sits and confidently builds some kind of its skinning plans.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 10: 32 New
      +5
      Если выгонит - подведет своё сообщество(стаю) и лишится опоры. Поэтому и нет реальной борьбы с коррупцией, правосудие однобокое, ротация кадров отсутствует (одна видимость), зато есть постоянная "говорильня".
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: ICE
      but, as Comrade Zyuganov said

      In the coffin, I see Comrade Zyuganov! The communist is his mother, lives in a mansion for 14 lemons bucks.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 27 New
        +4
        Zyuganov has long been no longer a communist, if at all.
      2. optimist
        optimist 21 September 2013 12: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The communist is his mother, lives in a mansion for 14 lemons bucks.

        Он не просто коммунист: он "карманный коммунист" путинского отребья. Вот и живёт в особняке, поскольку чётко выполняет "линию партии"! laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 13: 23 New
          +6
          Quote: optimist
          . Вот и живёт в особняке, поскольку чётко выполняет "линию партии"!

          Putin is also to blame for the pancake and the fact that Zyuganov lives beyond his means laughing And why should Putin give Zyuganov 20% of the vote ??? Or Putin is to blame for everything, but this is nonsense.
          Сердюков не в СИЗО-это бесспорно заслуга Путина,цены и все такое тоже его "достижения" Но Зюга,пардон -это перебор.
          1. optimist
            optimist 21 September 2013 13: 27 New
            +3
            Просто дедушка Зю,-пугало для л.охов и приманка для старичков, голосующих за "коммунистов". Вот и имеет свои "30 сребренников"...
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 21 September 2013 13: 53 New
              +5
              Зюганов свою роль играет, Жирик - свою, Миронов - свою, но голосуют в нужный момент так как "надо" едерастам. Роли все распределены в этом театре абсурда...
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 10: 35 New
    0
    Putin's problem is that, believing himself to be a condescending, bored observer, he himself does not know where he and the country will move with him.

    He only knows that he has traditional values ​​that are not fit, for example, homosexuals. And the orgiastic Berlusconi is, in fact, an orthodox schema-monk, just because he does this with women. The West is rotting (though since the time of Spengler - and still nothing ...), and we are not on the way.

    The situation is extremely difficult for the Russian people, but also for Vladimir Putin, who is moving forward on the fuel of fasting and prayer, too. Going in an obvious way to the 2018 election, he makes a serious mistake. Actually, taking on an unbearable burden of problems, becoming president in 2012, he already missed the chance DO NOT carry responsibility for the sequestration of everything and everything, the lack of economic policy, the “black lie” in the courts and the injustice in politics, wild corruption and the growth of aggression of a specific part of the population - thanks to the morale police in the person of the Russian Orthodox Church, as if rented from dystopia.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 11: 38 New
      +3
      He is by no means an indulgent bored observer and he knows very well where the country is moving. No need to consider him a fool, deceived by the treacherous environment (and to hell with such a president). Fools, it seems that we, since we endure a person who has been trampling the country for so many years, are lulled by handouts from petrodollars and bribed by imaginary (very fragile) well-being, based on the conjuncture of the oil market.
      And the overwhelming load had to be dumped from the shoulders back in 2004 or earlier. In Japan, the premieres that failed to fulfill their responsibilities left every year - honest people!
      1. optimist
        optimist 21 September 2013 12: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Oskar
        Fools, it seems that we, since we endure a person who has been trampling the country for so many years, are lulled by handouts from petrodollars and bribed by imaginary (very fragile) well-being, based on the conjuncture of the oil market.

        Вот и я тоже так думаю. 100 лет назад русским дурачкам три года понадобилось (1914-1917), чтобы это осознать. В ближайшие год-два РФ 100-пудово втянут в какую-нибудь "маленькую и победоносную". Вот тогда у путиноидов мозги и прочистятся (надеюсь).
      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn 21 September 2013 12: 59 New
        +1
        In Japan, the premieres that failed to fulfill their responsibilities left every year - honest people!

        In samurai. We have no honor in honor.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 13: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Oskar
        . Fools, it looks like we, since we have endured a man for so many years stomping a country

        Who do you propose to put in place of Putin? What is your last name and I will support you first!
        Just a surname, without blah blah blah, ala Russia without Putin.
        1. optimist
          optimist 21 September 2013 13: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Just a surname, without blah blah blah, ala Russia without Putin.

          В Росси вообще-то 140 миллионов населения... А если вы желаете услышать одну из тех фамилий, которые ежедневно звучат из зомбоящика,-вашей "наивности" нет предела! Про дедушку Ленина до октября 1917-го тоже практически никто не знал, кроме нескольких тысяч революционеров. (Напоминаю, что тогда население РИ составляло 190 миллионов). Так что всё будет, как и 100 лет назад: "маленькая победоносная война" (кризис, 3-я чеченская), ввп в женском платье удирает на штатовской дипмашине и новый "Ленин" залазит на "броневик". А вы всё сидите и ждёте перед зомбоящиком, когда вам ввп "приемника" покажет! laughing
    2. dizelniy
      dizelniy 22 September 2013 21: 53 New
      0
      I think that Putin is one of the most informed people on our planet. I recommend watching his speech before the Federal Assembly this year. Speech in a forward-looking plan contains conceptual things. In a country like Russia, the President cannot abruptly shift the course of the country, no matter how much we would like to. An example with the United States, they wanted to strike Syria, but did not give, within America there are influential forces against. However, it must be recognized that a turn is taking place. The fact that local boyars do nothing on the ground is our fault, all the legal possibilities must be used. See my com. higher. You can’t agree with you that the president is bored, judging by his schedule and speeches, he owns the information and really controls the situation. There are complaints about reforms, but we do not know the concept of these reforms, which is also bad, there is no personnel reserve, random people come across. There is a certain tendency to make the people happy without asking him, but what does he want? Decembrists 2.0. According to some signs, it should be recognized that most likely for this presidency we should expect conceptual changes in the country, without changing the main owners.
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  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 September 2013 10: 54 New
    +4
    Such performances by Vladimir Putin oh right at the moment!
    Stop presumptuous meerkathos, geyropu and pogosteyev with them. Make it clear that not everyone decides for everyone.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 21 September 2013 16: 07 New
      +2
      Such performances by Vladimir Putin oh right at the moment!
      Stop presumptuous meerkathos, geyropu and pogosteyev with them. Make it clear that not everyone decides for everyone.



      That's right! We must timely switch the attention of taxpayers from pressing domestic problems to fictitious external enemies. The American treacherous State Department and Europeans scatter corruption powder everywhere, fail national projects, forcibly take away members of the State Duma, the Government to study in the United States, and Great Britain. Forcibly force top and regional officials to withdraw money in foreign banks and buy real estate there. They forced the daughter of Foreign Minister S. Lavrov to graduate from American Columbia University and marry a US citizen.
      1. ans
        ans 23 September 2013 02: 01 New
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        That's right! We must timely switch the attention of taxpayers from pressing domestic problems to fictitious external enemies. The American treacherous State Department and Europeans scatter corruption powder everywhere, fail national projects, forcibly take away members of the State Duma, the Government to study in the United States, and Great Britain. Forcibly force top and regional officials to withdraw money in foreign banks and buy real estate there. They forced the daughter of Foreign Minister S. Lavrov to graduate from American Columbia University and marry a US citizen.

        Что хочется этому человеку сказать-то! Думает, что "врага народа" нашёл... Да никто дочку Лаврова пальцем не тронет... Если надо пылинки с неё стряхивать будут... Жить-то и амерам тоже хочется... причём на природе, а не под радиоактивной пустыней в бункерах...Хватит уже "шпиёнов" ловить...
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 September 2013 11: 07 New
    +2
    I don’t understand in any way, does anyone really believe in this empty talk? Do you not see that nothing is happening, but have promised 300 years in advance? Yeltsin was so bad, but he realized that it’s all time blame and gave power, but this one speaks, speaks, speaks ... Endlessly speaks and does nothing. Discussion club, I’ll pay with emotion now! That's where you can talk again.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 September 2013 11: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Standard Oil
      . Endlessly says and does nothing.

      Why doesn’t it? In my opinion, he very firmly and consistently defends the interests of the oligarchs.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Yeltsin was so bad, but he realized that it’s time to give all the money to the bribes, and this one has given power, and this one is talking, talking, talking

      Well, who can Putin really transfer power to now? Surname, just a surname.
      1. Fenris
        Fenris 21 September 2013 12: 35 New
        +7
        Что значит ПЕРЕДАТЬ власть?! У нас что, монархия? Хотя да, по сути, монархия, но в Конституции написано, что, типа, смешанная республика! То есть, власть не передают, а выбирают. Впрочем, вы очень точно охарактеризовали положение в стране и мыслительный процесс большой части населения: народ горбатится, а на его шее сидит путин и ко, которые банально передают друг другу полномочия власти, вместе с хлебными местами. А народ? А что народ? Его мнение мало кого колышит,а эффективные реформы и агрессивное промывание мозгов по зомбоящику, позволяет из людей лепить бесхребетных терпил, которые, вместо выражение своего мнения, будут смиренно наблюдать "передачу власти".
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 54 New
          +2
          Yeltsin-Putin-Medvedev-Putin - ??? ... I'm afraid a person with a different surname will not be allowed into this tight circle. If only very close and dear.
      2. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 21 September 2013 12: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Standard Oil
        Yeltsin was so bad, but he realized that it’s time to give all the money to the bribes, and this one has given power, and this one is talking, talking, talking

        Well, who can Putin really transfer power to now? Surname, just a surname.

        Не надо никому сейчас передавать власть,просто на следующих выборах не должно быть "доброго волшебника" и на работе к людям начальство не должно подходить с фразой:"ну вы знаете за кого нужно проголосовать.",а уж срочники которых стройными рядами гонят голосовать "за кого надо" причем все это делается прилюдно,как издевательство.Достаточно будет обычных честных выборов.Не
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 September 2013 12: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Standard Oil
          Normal fair elections will be enough

          You know the paradox in the next elections, if you and I live to see them and there will be peace in the world, the names will be the same hi
    3. bomg.77
      bomg.77 21 September 2013 12: 20 New
      0
      Do not you see or basically do not want to notice?
  • Fenris
    Fenris 21 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +5
    Очередная порция болтологии от Обещалкина. особенно смешно слушать про "национальную идентичность"! Он вообще в курсе, что творится в Белокаменной? Что она, медленно, но уверенно, превращается в Москвабад! Может вождь стерхов спустился бы вечерком в метро и посмотрел на то, какая национальная идентичность главенствует в нём? Даю подсказку: далеко не русская и исповедующая ислам. А Сагра, Пугачёв, признание мечети символом России, открытие памятника, типа, чеченским жителям, а на самом деле, развитие культа войны с Россией? Это ли "национальная идентичность"?! А намечающаяся рецессия из-за падения цен на нефть? А убогое "национальное достояние" "Газпром", который, предоставляя скидку всем забугорным клиентам, кроме населения собственной страны, который стал спонсором "ФИФА?! И наконец недавнее

    15: 26, 19 September 2013
    Government approves exclusion of population from tariff freeze

    The Russian government approved the idea of ​​the Ministry of Economic Development to freeze tariffs of natural monopolies only for industry. About this, as reported by RIA Novosti, said Finance Minister Anton Siluanov. Previously, it was assumed that tariff freezing would extend to the population.

    Well, we will pay! Tolerate that! Fortunately, a significant part of the country's population has ears, a campaign, more elephant, since so many Valdai and Seliger noodles are placed on them!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 September 2013 11: 42 New
      +4
      Everything is correct and it is very sad.
    2. aleksandroff
      aleksandroff 21 September 2013 11: 52 New
      0
      Who let all these trolls here on the site. This or loafers who need everything for free or envious, but rather potential traitors. Maybe you are all from Moscow (since everyone is dissatisfied and is deprived of something)? I am from the region and I see how we began to live normally under Putin, and which of you does not see, then blind or Moskvich. After all, there is nothing to say for many besides Siberian Cranes, although the matter is very good. And do not blame him. We do not know what he knows.
      1. Fenris
        Fenris 21 September 2013 11: 53 New
        +8
        We began to dress better, rye vegetables there, that's all. (c) The electorate of Putin.

        Vladimir Vladimirovich, relocate, wipe the saliva from the monitor and tell us when Serdyukov and his harem are finally planted? And why are tariffs frozen for moneybags, but for the population they continue to grow? And why does the education reform not let graduates graduate, but such Putin’s idiots? Why has the asphalt laid last year already crumbled? When will the warranty period of the roadway be introduced? I am waiting for a detailed and detailed answer, and not reading on a piece of paper from the court speechwriters
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 21 September 2013 12: 04 New
          +7
          Quote: Fenris
          I am waiting for a detailed and detailed answer, and not reading on a piece of paper from the court speechwriters

          Я бы ещё спросил, куда "уходит" бесплатная медицина?
          1. Oskar
            Oskar 21 September 2013 12: 21 New
            +5
            There, where everything went and will go away (science, for example) ... I will not voice it.
      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 21 September 2013 12: 00 New
        +4
        That's right +
      3. zart_arn
        zart_arn 21 September 2013 13: 05 New
        +5
        Who let all these trolls here on the site.
        But the troll is you. People write what they think. So, by the way, most Russians think. You may even admit it, but work obliges.
        1. tennis
          tennis 21 September 2013 16: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: zart_arn
          Who let all these trolls here on the site.
          But the troll is you. People write what they think. So, by the way, most Russians think. You may even admit it, but work obliges.


          Well, about the majority, you obviously got excited. You and your associates are characters from the 90s, not all of Russia yet.
      4. ans
        ans 23 September 2013 02: 05 New
        0
        Quote: aleksandroff
        Who let all these trolls here on the site. These or loafers who need everything

        No, these are not trolls! Everything is much worse - BAD INSURGENTS am
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 12: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: Oskar
    He is by no means an indulgent bored observer and he knows very well where the country is moving.

    Yes, he does not know. Putin faced a very serious dilemma. His task is to ensure the stability of the power system. He needs to protect the fortunes of regime officials and oligarchs, and at the same time modernize the country. However, these goals conflict. Without high oil prices, and during the crisis period they are extremely unstable, there is no chance of modernization. Without modernization and without “bribing” Putin’s citizens, protests will intensify. The defense of the privileges of the ruling caste means further connivance at the corruption cancer corroding Russia, as well as the irritation of the increasingly conscious middle class and young people.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 21 September 2013 12: 34 New
      +6
      It seems to me right now that he doesn’t care at all about any problems, dilemmas, he doesn’t feel them, he doesn’t sit at night thinking how to solve this or that problem. He lives right now for his pleasure, he takes care of his health, he realizes his creative plans, he fulfills his innermost desires, he travels at world ’summits, like a child breaking into Disneyland behaves.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 September 2013 17: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: Hulk
      He needs to protect the status of regime officials and oligarchs, and at the same time modernize the country
      And this modernization consists in eliminating the possibility of self-sufficiency and the final entry of the Russian Federation into the global world as a raw material sector, and partly as a high-tech sector.
      Neither the development of the social sphere, nor the development of the Russian Federation as a self-sufficient unit, this approach does not imply.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 15 New
        0
        попробуйте жить в Белорусии, без " глобального мира", даже если под боком будут валютные запасы из РФ :)
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 12: 13 New
    +3
    I am very happy for Russia! Again there was a feeling of pride that I live in a great country (it was forgotten in the last decade) Of course we have many problems and we live not very richly and yet !!! I judge this when I look at the streets .. (children in the courtyards girls play football pregnant ..women with husbands with prams walk ..) And most importantly, the Army and Navy are reborn .. We just can’t destroy and corrupt!
    1. experienced
      experienced 21 September 2013 12: 15 New
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      pregnant girls

      belay
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 12: 26 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well, who can Putin really transfer power to now? Surname, just a surname.


    Probably, if (purely speculation!) If you lived about 100 years ago, you would also ask- Well, to whom is Kerensky really able to transfer power? Surname, just last name.

    History decreed that he had not transferred power to anyone. They took power.
    Life will answer these questions, even a dressing up scene may repeat itself (who knows?) what .
  • sashka
    sashka 21 September 2013 13: 05 New
    +9
    Quote: Oskar
    Inhumans hanged by people will hang on pillars. Feel the difference?

    The pillars are decorated festively dressed (hereinafter to taste). )))
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 21 September 2013 22: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Sasha
      Quote: Oskar
      Inhumans hanged by people will hang on pillars. Feel the difference?

      The pillars are decorated festively dressed (hereinafter to taste). )))


      Sasha, why the hell are you good , I almost tore my stomach, the whole monitor with a clave damn spit! laughing
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn 21 September 2013 13: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: MIKHAN
    pregnant girls play football
    , spelling drops, etc. wassat
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 13: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: zart_arn
    Quote: MIKHAN
    pregnant girls play football
    , spelling drops, etc. wassat

    Well get out ... cling winked your right )))
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 21 September 2013 14: 12 New
      +2
      Excuse me, for God's sake. I didn’t mean to offend you. A little harmless joke will never hurt.
  • optimist
    optimist 21 September 2013 13: 38 New
    +6
    Короче, всё как всегда... Умные люди в очередной раз посмеялись над "стерхом". Путиноиды взыли от счастья и готовы под знамёнами своего "кумира" идти в дальнейшее "светлое будущее". За последние 1000 лет в России ничего не поменялось...
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 21 September 2013 14: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: optimist
      Over the past 1000 years, nothing has changed in Russia ...

      In Russia, two troubles hamsters from that and the road.
    2. 31231
      31231 21 September 2013 14: 24 New
      -5
      Over the past 1000 years, nothing has changed in Russia ...


      Bggg. Accurate! As was Kievan Rus, so it costs her.


      Вы то чем отличаетесь от ненавистного вам Путина?! Болтаете вы больше него это точно. Про работу вашу не скажу, ибо не знаком с вами. Зато вы знакомы с работой Путина. Сплошь и рядом "знающие" за всех и про всё.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 13: 51 New
    0
    Quote: optimist
    Короче, всё как всегда... Умные люди в очередной раз посмеялись над "стерхом". Путиноиды взыли от счастья и готовы под знамёнами своего "кумира" идти в дальнейшее "светлое будущее". За последние 1000 лет в России ничего не поменялось...

    Вы себя к "Умным " причисляете..? интересно по каким параметрам? Вы либералы кухонные и оффисные думаете другим местом обычно..И обливать грязью все и всех с умным видом любой может (это проще всего всегда) опошлить посмеяться ..Так что господа "умные" знаем мы таких как вы за свою историю..(без обиды и ничего личного)))
    1. Fenris
      Fenris 21 September 2013 14: 00 New
      +6
      It's very simple: smart people will not vote for 12 years for the same mantras, amid endless corruption, covering the right guys from the prison term they deserve, an economy that is 80% dependent on the banal trade in resources, a population that never became a hundred times richer from the sale of those same resources, with a huge number of migrant workers who dump on the labor market, increase the criminal level and simply behave impudently and defiantly. And lawlessness in pensions, education, science, regularly scattered satellites and rockets ?! And the flood in the Far East? Really, in preparation for the next show-off - the APEC summit, didn’t they know that the dams there were breathing outright ?! And now what? Now as always

      08: 52, 5 September 2013
      6 billion rubles will be spent on the construction of dams in Primorye

      By 2017, the authorities of Primorye will allocate six billion rubles for the repair of old dams and the construction of new ones. On Thursday, September 5, RIA Novosti reported with reference to the acting head of the regional department of natural resources, Alexei Pochekunin.

      Что, неужели твой ботоксоликий бог и его прихлебатели не догадались выделить деньги ДО НАВОДНЕНИЯ?! А может кто-то банально некомпетентен, а? А если некомпетентен, то где отставки?! И спрашивается, за что я должен поддерживать путина? За вертикаль власти, полностью состоящую из стареющих "своих пацанов"? За летящую в пропасть науку и образование? За вымирание русских и размытие славянского населения азиатами?! Да провались он пропадом, вместе со своим проплаченным, бесхребетным электоратом!
      1. 31231
        31231 21 September 2013 14: 43 New
        +2
        Вы хоть за явление "Форс-Мажор" слыхали?! Или прилетит метеорит, вы так же заголосите, что Путин виноват не сбил его С-500-ым?! По Америке ураганы каждый год гуляют и не поразу, никто не кричит "Белый дом виноват!". Орлеан в своё время затопило. Серьозные люди борются с природной стихией, а не ищут виновных.
        1. Fenris
          Fenris 21 September 2013 14: 54 New
          +5
          Да что вы говорите? Для справки: ураганы с США образуются только на территориях, находящихся в тропических и субтропических климатических зонах, которые подвержены, так называемому "сезону ураганов" - периоду формирования наиболее интенсивных ураганов в средней части северной половины Атлантического океана. То есть ураганы в США обусловлены климатическими условиями! А вот наводнения в Крымске и на ДВ, обусловлены не только климатом, а собственно, головотяпством чинуш, которые вместо мониторинга погоды и поддержки и обновления инфраструктуры, занимались накруткой голосов на выборах. Результат более, чем предсказуем: только теперь, после того, как у людей затопило дома, пообещали выделить деньги на дамбы. Всё как всегда.
          1. 31231
            31231 21 September 2013 15: 20 New
            0
            So yes, when Orleans drowned it is due to climatic conditions. And the local bureaucrats there were dragging the blacks out of the disaster area for XNUMX hours straight.
            And our bastards, chum salmon and scallop caviar were killed in the elections, and then together they drove to Zeya, Bureya, Amur and dumped everything on a cyclone.

            You are nonsense. They deal with natural disasters, and not at all on the Internet. Although you can guess how much it will be and when, you still can’t avoid it.
            It is possible, as an option, only to expel the settlers from the flood zone, and no more. But I doubt that they will leave. Even now they will not learn lessons and will live there and beds of weeds there.
            1. Fenris
              Fenris 21 September 2013 15: 44 New
              +2
              I repeat once again: you can just TIME to build dams and protective infrastructure. You see, TIME! Not in 2017, but before the flood! And, if you want, you can go to those people whose houses are flooded, and tell them in detail that everything is much worse in the USA.
              1. 31231
                31231 21 September 2013 15: 55 New
                +6
                What protective infrastructure ?! Dams along the rivers ?! Around settlements ?! We have thousands of rivers and settlements across Russia.
                And no one in the world is engaged in such nonsense. Orleans was drowning. Southern Germany, Austria is now also drowned, Eastern Europe is regularly drowned. So what?! There are dams set up around the cities ?!
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 21 September 2013 17: 48 New
                  -1
                  Quote: 31231
                  So what?! There are dams set up around the cities ?!
                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 22 September 2013 01: 56 New
                    +1
                    There have been dams around cities since the floods in the 80s, but the current surpassed that level twice
              2. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 September 2013 16: 05 New
                +2
                What else will happen in the spring when the Amur melts in the upper reaches, and the ice below the ice will not let water into Leman. Now there are still flowers
                1. 31231
                  31231 21 September 2013 18: 29 New
                  +2
                  On Lena, this is also regular.
      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 21 September 2013 14: 55 New
        +3
        You know, while Blagoveshchensk was drowned, the Komsomol king thought the water would pass by hills. When flooded, they caught up with the Ministry of Emergencies and Moscow Region, but the road is a spoon for dinner. Want to say Putin from Moscow should anticipate what the locals do not see, or do not want to see. And you won’t dismiss, the people chose them. To hell with the election, appointed-kicked out easier, and money goals. Our head in each house registered thirty Azeris, their votes are enough to outweigh ours
        1. dizelniy
          dizelniy 23 September 2013 10: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Our head in each house registered thirty Azeris, their votes are enough to outweigh ours

          Unite in HOA and without your decision no one will be able to register anyone. The authorities gave us the political rostrum in the form of HOA, this is a real opportunity to demand a report from it for specific actions.
      3. tennis
        tennis 21 September 2013 16: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Fenris
        It's very simple: smart people will not vote for 12 years for the same mantras


        Умные люди хотят возвратиться в "лихие 90-ые" - где все было хорошо, где не было коррупции, никто не воровал, платили зарплаты и пенсии? Народ сравнивает, то и это время все очень просто, это называется испытать на своей шкуре. Кого вы предлагаете взамен, Навального? Выше у меня есть уже пост - "через месяц после его прихода мы будем на первом месте в мире, с какого конца это уже другой вопрос".
    2. optimist
      optimist 21 September 2013 14: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Вы себя к "Умным " причисляете..?

      That's just the point that I do not rank! laughing Хотя д.урак, понимающий, что он д.урак,-уже наполовину умный. Кстати, в отличии от вас, ярлыки, типа "либерал" и т.д., не навешиваю. Открою "военную тайну": я такой же "либерал", как вы,-японский император! laughing I just have little ability to find causal relationships, unlike the majority of the population of the Russian Federation ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 September 2013 14: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: optimist
        d.uk, who understands that he is d.uk, is already half smart
        Being half smart is the same as being a sturgeon of second freshness. Honor is not great.
        Quote: optimist
        I just have little ability to find causal relationships
        And develop abilities. I don’t know what you’re talking about, but Small don't brag. There will be more - you can discuss: what to do with THIS ...
        1. optimist
          optimist 21 September 2013 17: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: retired
          And develop abilities.

          And you, dear, have they already developed enough? Not sure...
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 21 September 2013 18: 27 New
            -4
            Quote: optimist
            Not sure...
            Which half are not sure?
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 21 September 2013 18: 45 New
              0
              I feel that not the strongest ...
              1. optimist
                optimist 21 September 2013 18: 51 New
                +2
                It seems that some PENSIONERS in senile insanity have already slipped to the level of kindergarten ... fool Try to call someone else more creatively. Just do not burst with a strain ...
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 21 September 2013 19: 21 New
                  -2
                  Quote: optimist
                  It seems that some PENSIONERS in senile insanity have already slipped to the level of a kindergarten ... Try to call someone else more creatively. Just do not burst with a strain ...

                  Oh, not subtle, not subtle ... Although why wait for the semi-intellectual ...
                  1. optimist
                    optimist 21 September 2013 19: 58 New
                    +1
                    Relax ... Better think about retirement ...
    3. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 14: 35 New
      +3
      Do you generally understand what is such an objective criticism based on common sense and life experience?
      Besides, I'm not a democrat at all. So what by.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 September 2013 13: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: For a fairly short period of time, Vladimir Putin managed to tell the audience about his understanding of not only the development of the domestic political system of Russia, but also conveyed to them, let’s say, their worries about the global world order.
    США объявили себя "исключительной страной". Это означает, что им позволено все. Их нелогичные действия в Ливии, Египте и Сирии дают повод полагать, что они совсем не знают, что им делать со своей "исключительностью". И самое интересное, что они как шаманы в трансе долдонят о "демократии" в арабском мире.
    Western values ​​are imposed on Russia, a Western understanding of the worldview. Russian society, as it is able to withstand these attempts. Of course, there should be discussions where everyone will defend their point of view.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 21 September 2013 13: 58 New
    +5
    According to the latest voiced data, the growth rate of the Russian economy for the first time dropped below world average. And just recently, Stepashin said that this is not the first year, an increase in oil prices no longer affects the growth of the Russian economy. Translated into Russian, this means:, come ...
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 21 September 2013 14: 28 New
      +6
      If the growth rate of the economy consists only of the growth rate of hydrocarbon prices, then why be surprised. Each period of stagnation of these prices is also a period of stagnation of our economy as a whole. It is scary to think about their sharp fall. Survived.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 14: 17 New
    -2
    Quote: optimist
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Вы себя к "Умным " причисляете..?

    That's just the point that I do not rank! laughing Хотя д.урак, понимающий, что он д.урак,-уже наполовину умный. Кстати, в отличии от вас, ярлыки, типа "либерал" и т.д., не навешиваю. Открою "военную тайну": я такой же "либерал", как вы,-японский император! laughing I just have little ability to find causal relationships, unlike the majority of the population of the Russian Federation.

    Forgive us wretched (the majority of the population of the Russian Federation) ha ha ha. For analysts like causality like you, Russia is still alive, as I understand it? Dear name, I’ll repeat it to your sons, what else is there in Russia (there are few pity left ..) people with a causal mindset .. (grandfather didn’t work in the Cheka, or his father was in Mossad ..?))))
    1. optimist
      optimist 21 September 2013 17: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Forgive us miserable (the majority of the population of the Russian Federation) ha ha ha

      Do not be a fool, dear ... Well, as you know, the one who laughs last laughs. Let’s get back to this conversation in a year. In the meantime, learn the history of Russia: it cleans your brains very well! fool
  • Garrin
    Garrin 21 September 2013 14: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: rudolff
    Translated into Russian, this means:, come ...

    This means that it flows more than it flows. Yeah, we’ve definitely arrived.
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 14: 23 New
    +6
    Мне всегда нравиться когда Путин говорит. Он хороший оратор. Говорит он убедительно. Все за христианские ценности печется. Они хороши. Кто же против. Только хороши они для него в узкой России. Наверное в кооперативе "озеро". Вот только один пример. Помните закон Димы Яковлева. О сиротах. Сколько уж бухтили сотоварищи президента. Не дадим сиротам уехать в Америку. Мы все сделаем чтобы их у нас усыновляли. Ну конечно, кто против. Только за!!!
    But now almost a year has passed. This is what the President gave and his associates gave to adoptive parents and guardians.

    Президент РФ Владимир Путин подписал Указ от 26 февраля 2013 года № 175 "О ежемесячных выпла­тах лицам, осуществляющим уход за детьми-инвали­дами и инвалидами с детства I группы", который в 4,5 раза увеличил социальные выплаты неработаю­щим родителям, воспитывающим детей-инвалидов в возрасте до 18 лет или инвалидов с детства первой группы, независимо от их возраста.

    This was announced by the head of state at a meeting of the Council for the implementation of priority national projects and population policy. At the same time, the size of the social pension for disabled children is also increasing - the corresponding bill has been submitted to the State Duma by the Government of the Russian Federation.

    Social payments - 5500 rubles

    Payments to parents of children with disabilities were established back in 2006. They amounted to only 1200 rubles per month. In accordance with the new Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, a non-working parent who is caring for a disabled child will be rely monthly from the state budget in the amount of 5500 rubles. This is the most significant increase in social payments in the history of Russia.


    Putin also spent 5000 rubles on his children? Here it is the Christian value of Putin. An attraction of unprecedented generosity.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 September 2013 14: 41 New
      +5
      It’s not necessary to write how much Putin spent on his children, brought in children be kind enough to provide, and do not wait for the state to file.
    2. 31231
      31231 21 September 2013 15: 46 New
      +3
      And how much did he have to appoint ?! Thirty thousand?! Then from adventurers of easy profit you will not be beaten off.
      If you have a child, then you are responsible for it. We took the liberty of guardianship of a disabled child, so be so kind as to bear this heavy cross with honor, and not to moan. But I feel you are far from those people who made such a difficult decision. And for my part, they only respect and help, and not chatter here.
      Liberoids constantly talk about it, but on this populism they only raise their rating. If only this one took a disabled child and raised it.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 September 2013 17: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Hulk
      Social payments - 5500 rubles
      1. 31231
        31231 21 September 2013 18: 51 New
        +1
        Do you think all these demotivators are serious ?! They shkolota rushes to the contacts.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 21 September 2013 19: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          Do you think all these demotivators are serious ?! They shkolota rushes to the contacts.

          They illustrate the idea well, especially since there are citations in it.
          1. 31231
            31231 21 September 2013 21: 08 New
            +1
            Where is the thought ?! Cheap pods.

            The thought above is in the article.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 33 New
              +2
              Where is the thought?


              the revolutionary refused his personal struggle with Putin, now he has begun to advance the tsar’s interests in increasing paternalism in our society :)

              just a little bit and we all just won’t be able to live without Putin :)
              1. 31231
                31231 21 September 2013 23: 15 New
                0
                Bgg. Yes, it’s hard to live without a king in your head.
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 22 September 2013 13: 49 New
              -2
              Quote: 31231
              Where is the thought ?! Cheap pods.
              Precisely, 6.5% of 4700 rubles is really cheap.

              The thought above is in the article.
              It is truth too.
              And this idea, being formulated, sounds like this: it’s nice to speak - not to work as a loader.
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 21 September 2013 21: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Yarosvet
            They illustrate the idea well, especially since there are citations in it.

            They are most often distorted, as quotes taken out of context are inserted.
    4. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 September 2013 17: 58 New
      +2
      ---------------------------------
      1. ans
        ans 23 September 2013 00: 30 New
        -1
        picture from the Internet! laughing Do not believe everything you find in the garbage!
  • Fenris
    Fenris 21 September 2013 14: 31 New
    +8
    21.09.13 11:15
    About 25 Caucasians shot a bar on Lomonosov Street
    Last night, about 25 Caucasians from traumatic weapons shot guards and visitors to one of the bars on Lomonosov Street in St. Petersburg.
    According to eyewitnesses, the aggressors fired dozens of shots and fled towards Sadovaya Street.
    “At least three cars are broken. A huge number of fragments and bullets, ”said an eyewitness Vasily.

    Пресловутая путинская "национальная идентичность"
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 14: 41 New
      +6
      When the hairy guys have already played out ... Truly a bottomless bowl of Russian patience.
      1. Fenris
        Fenris 21 September 2013 14: 44 New
        +8
        Никогда не наиграются. До сих пор я не особо наслышан о судебных процессах над обезьянами и обвинительных решениях. Ведь это та самая "идентичность" и "толерантность" о которой кудахчет властная верхушка.
      2. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 21 September 2013 16: 01 New
        +1
        When the hairy guys have already played out ... Truly a bottomless bowl of Russian patience.





        What the indigenous people of large cities lack is tolerance.
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 21 September 2013 15: 30 New
      +2
      Come on, again go and call it a domestic conflict.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 21 September 2013 15: 57 New
        +2
        Come on, again go and call it a domestic conflict.




        There is a domestic conflict. Those who shot from the traumatism about Alyosha Navalny did not shout anything. This means that it qualifies as a domestic conflict, maximum hooliganism.
    3. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 21 September 2013 15: 55 New
      0
      About 25 Caucasians shot a bar on Lomonosov Street




      Young people dabbled. They didn’t shoot from automatic rifled firearms. They didn’t throw bar grenades. There were no wounded or killed. Cars were insured. Ordinary hooligan.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 21 September 2013 22: 40 New
        +5
        A hooligan - this is a public place to swear. And to call the shooting at people from anything with religious calls a crowd, as my language doesn’t turn
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 14: 43 New
    10
    Quote: Volodin
    But not to notice pluses is also somehow one-sided. Golikova, Surkov and Serdyukov - this is yes - minus. Corruption is an indisputable minus. But there is also the introduction of maternal capital, an increase in the standard of living of Russians (although someone will try to deny it), the same salaries and pensions for military personnel, almost complete Internetization of schools (with the possibility of access to any library funds), an ongoing renewal of the military equipment park .

    Maybe you are right. But is it merit of Mr. Putin.
    Maybe the reason is a fantastic increase in oil prices?

    Another industry competitiveness rating was presented yesterday by UNIDO (United Nations Industrial Development Organization, UNIDO) and the Higher School of Economics. There is Russia in it looks much more attractive than in many other similar ratings. For ten years, she “jumped” up 30 steps, taking 2012th place in 36 instead of 66th in 2002.
    But! But!
    The share of high-tech industry in Russia not only did not increase, but even decreased. For example, the export of high-tech products over the past ten years has almost halved: from 40% to 23%. The high-tech share in industry was 17% instead of 22%. According to these indicators, the country lags significantly behind both developed and developing countries. In comparison, China's high-tech exports account for 60%. “Russia is the only BRICS country where the production structure has become less high-tech than it was before,” said Ludovico Alcorta, director of the UNIDO policy department for economic development, statistics and research, introducing the report.

    And all these years, Putin talked about modernization? Another failure. And this is our budget tomorrow. And if oil prices collapse? How will Putin fill the treasury? Our manufactured goods are less and less competitive. What we will sell for money. Furs and honey? And where will the money be for the elderly and children. Where did Putin lead Russia? To the back of the technological world?
    1. 31231
      31231 21 September 2013 15: 25 New
      +3
      The share of high-tech industry in Russia not only did not increase, but even decreased.



      Is this a serious reference? If you do not mind.
      I understand that you are comparing 2002 and 2012 ?!
    2. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 17: 00 New
      0
      We will sell Putin into slavery to the galleys! So no one will buy ...
    3. fisherman
      fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 23 New
      -1
      But is it merit of Mr. Putin.
      Maybe the reason is a fantastic increase in oil prices?


      в таком случае просто "уберите Путина" из своей головы, чтобы не выглядеть шизофреником
    4. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine 21 September 2013 23: 01 New
      -2
      hi
      Quote: Hulk
      Maybe the reason is a fantastic increase in oil prices?


      Brad.
      Если посмотреть на график, то цена нефти в его начале около 7 Долл. При этой стоимости Россия получала 0 центив в бюджет и это "заслуга" либерастов и современных болтунов с болотной.
      When Putin came (if you look at your schedule), the price was about $ 30 and 4 years did not grow at all, even fell. 30 dollars is the price of the time of the USSR.
      Now consider the second term of Putin and the first Medvedev. During this time, the price rose 3 times, BUT!
      If you compare the purchasing power of the dollar from 2000 to 2012, you will see that for the dollar, which was in 2000, you could have 7-10 times more goods than for the same dollar in 2012. That is, the real cost of oil today should be about $ 200. (For example, compare prices in dollars per 1 sq. M of living space, and you will immediately understand everything)

      А если вы хотите увидить "технологический прорыв", то приезжайте к нам и вы прозреете.
      In general, you do not love your homeland. LEAVE IT.
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 14: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: ivshubarin
    It’s not necessary to write how much Putin spent on his children, brought in children be kind enough to provide, and do not wait for the state to file.

    Read carefully! I write about orphans. Have you taken orphans already? Or do you care about them, good Russian man?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 September 2013 15: 02 New
      +5
      I have three of my own
      1. Hulk
        Hulk 21 September 2013 15: 09 New
        -2
        There will be four!
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 21 September 2013 16: 10 New
          +4
          Maybe it will be.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 September 2013 16: 22 New
      +7
      Don’t write, but tell me what you did for the orphans, a good Russian man. Criticizing is easy
      1. 31231
        31231 21 September 2013 18: 32 New
        +1
        He fights evil power for them. All fingers are rubbed against the keyboard in this unequal battle.
        Demagogues and no more. The usual stuffing for loosening the country. Also in the 91st Union collapsed.
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  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 21 September 2013 17: 14 New
    +2
    Путин не один рулит Россией,как-бы это кому не казалось,киль-руля очень длинный ,а он сверху и что-там внизу не особо видит,я к тому,что если и менять рулевого,то вместе с рулем,но это наврятли случится,этот руль останется и новый Рулевой так же даже при всем желании ничего быстрого сделать не сможет.Пока сознание чиновников-бюрократов не изменится в лучшую сторону,быстрого прорыва не будет.Мое мнение такое,что у Путина есть большое желание поставить Россию на ноги,но это не так просто как многим тут кажется,этот руль России за года хаоса оброс там в "воде" внизу такой тиной и ракушками,что даже Путину при его власти и поддержке в народе очень трудно его поворачивать.И придя на смену Путину другой президент,то он столкнется с теми же самыми проблемами.Очень мешают плыть кораблю "Россия" все эти килевые и рулевые наросты из бюрократов,взяточников и пятой колонны,очень замедляют ход и нет во время "прав человека" возможности взять и содрать эти наросты приходиться играть по правилам ,которые сейчас существуют в Мире.Поэтому пока чиновники на местах не осознают,что необходимо служить государству и людям,а не своей утробе,мы будем медленно плыть вперед,а местами дрейфовать,кто-бы нами не рулил т.к руль то мы не меняем,а в нем поросшем заразой основная проблема нашего прогресса.А Путин не идеален,но его деятельность оцениваю со знаком плюс и считаю на тот момент 98г и сейчас он лучший выбор для России,не вижу пока ему замену,хотя очень бы хотелось,что-бы такой человек появился.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 21 September 2013 17: 43 New
      +5
      Yeah, he has been driving this chaos since 1998 in various forms, only the situation in the strategic plan is only getting worse. So GDP sucks. You need to look for another leader for me so somewhere on the left.
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 21 September 2013 18: 24 New
        +1
        But the hairy guys directly push to look for a leader on the right.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 21 September 2013 19: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Egorchik
          But the hairy guys directly push to look for a leader on the right.

          To the right ...
          1. ans
            ans 23 September 2013 00: 27 New
            0
            To be honest, Peskov is just a fool Kremlin laughing
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 21 September 2013 17: 34 New
    +3
    nothing nothing ...

    soon All greyhounds writing comments here will be paid from January 1 by the housing and communal services according to social standards.

    let's see how you sing
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 September 2013 19: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: de bouillon
      nothing nothing ...

      soon All greyhounds writing comments here will be paid from January 1 by the housing and communal services according to social standards.

      let's see how you sing

      Et yes laughing
  • Oskar
    Oskar 21 September 2013 17: 34 New
    +2
    These guys shit..and Putin’s Valdai theses ...
    [media = http: //www.kp.ru/online/news/1541589/]
    Another challenge to us ...
  • michajlo
    michajlo 21 September 2013 17: 49 New
    10
    Quote: SHILO Today 12:41 _130921 / sub
    experienced
    Sterkhov puts on the wing! For amphora dives!

    Alexey, I don’t understand, why is this annoying? He is a man, not a drunk - he has the right to hobbies, even fishing! request What is so limited? what

    Good afternoon, dear Konstantin!

    I allow myself to disagree with you, because in my opinion you are wrong. I agree with you that Putin himself, like all of us, is a living person and has every right to his personal life, hobbies or his circle of friends.

    Но российские налогоплательщики НЕ ПЛАТЯТ Путина или любого другого Гаранта за "его полеты, ныряния или броски на татами".
    He, as President, besides his rights, HAS his responsibilities to his people and his electors.

    In my humble opinion, whether the Guarantor flies beautifully, whether the Guarantor dives deeply, affairs in the country DO NOT DEPEND at all ...
    А вот за время, которое Путин находится у руля и при нем (4+4+(4)+1 лет = 9(13)лет, уже ЛЮБОЙ ИЗБИРАТЕЛЬ имеет право спросить тов. Президента, что кроме красивых речей и «топания ножками» и "нахмуриваняи бровей" перед телекамерами, он сделал для наведения порядка в России, ЗАЩИТЫ и НОРМАЛЬНОЙ ЖИЗНИ российских граждан ?
    Not an aligarhoff, pest reformers, financiers fed by the MMF, and other “enemy garbage.” I hope you understand what I'm talking about?

    I don’t intend to make speeches or gossip about family members of Comrade President, his ex-wife, daughters or sons-in-law here or somewhere in general, they, like us, ALL have the right to privacy.

    I personally will BEGIN very interested in his family members, close friends and others, if they are involved in theft, corruption and other criminal incidents.

    And I will be very interested in whether the exact “hardness of the law” will be applied to them as to Budanov or Kvachkov ?!

    I agree with many sober-minded members of the forum that the time of promises, speeches, decrees and decrees has already passed, and QUEU questions to Comrade President,
    - what HAS BEEN DONE, how ordinary people will live in Russia tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, their salaries, pensions, allowances for ordinary life will be enough for them (I’m not talking about luxury, vacations abroad, expensive banquets in restaurants and clubs) ...

    I personally see that Comrade President supports all the good conditions for FATING the upper 2% of the Russian population according to the EBN tradition and regularly fulfills any of their requirements,
    - but what did he do for him after the election (2012), for the now not so important to him (2013), the remaining 98% of the population of Russia?

    Regards, Michael
    1. optimist
      optimist 21 September 2013 18: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: michajlo
      По моему скромному мнению, от того красиво ли летает, глубоко ли ныряет их Гарант, дела в стране НЕ ЗАВИСЯТ вообще... А вот за время, которое Путин находится у руля и при нем (4+4+(4)+1 лет = 9(13)лет, уже ЛЮБОЙ ИЗБИРАТЕЛЬ имеет право спросить тов. Президента, что кроме красивых речей и «топания ножками» и "нахмуриваняи бровей" перед телекамерами, он сделал для наведения порядка в России, ЗАЩИТЫ и НОРМАЛЬНОЙ ЖИЗНИ российских граждан ? Не алигархоф, реформаторов-вредителей, финансистов вскормленных ММФ и прочей «вражеской швали». Вы я надеюсь, понимаете о чем я веду речь?

      Вы абсолютно правы, уважаемый! Просто всё дело в проклятом русском менталитете! Ну не может русский народ без царя (генсека, президента). Всегда найдётся куча желающих лизнуть его (реально или виртуально) в известную часть тела. Недаром центральная фигура во всех сказках,-Иван-не-очень-умный-человек. "Барин приедет,-рассудит" И т.д. и т.п. Только вот у людей никак не хватает мозгов сообразить, что председатель "гей-клуба" никак не может быть "Д*Артаньяном". Русскому народу уже более 1000 лет рассказвают сказочку про "доброго царя" и "злых бояр". Посмотреть зомбоящик,-в стране только 2 "патриота": ввп и шойгу. Остальные все,-сами знаете кто... Лично мне ввп несколько лет назад был глубоко по .... Но сейчас я отчётливо вижу, что под его "деланье умного вида и надувание щёк" страна катится в известное место. Керенскому тоже в своё время люди руки целовали (недолго, правда). Да дело и не конкретно в нынешнем "гаранте". дело в системе, которая появилась в нашей стране после 91-го.
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 21 September 2013 18: 56 New
        +3
        optimist (5) Today, 18:16, _130921 / sub
        ... you are absolutely right, dear! It's just that the thing is in the damned Russian mentality!
        Well, the Russian people cannot do without a tsar (general secretary, president). There is always a bunch of people who want to lick it (real or virtual) into a known part of the body.
        Недаром центральная фигура во всех сказках,-Иван-не-очень-умный-человек. "Барин приедет,-рассудит" И т.д. и т.п.
        Только вот у людей никак не хватает мозгов сообразить, что председатель "гей-клуба" никак не может быть "Д*Артаньяном".
        Русскому народу уже более 1000 лет рассказвают сказочку про "доброго царя" и "злых бояр". Посмотреть зомбоящик,-в стране только 2 "патриота": ввп и шойгу. Остальные все,-сами знаете кто... Лично мне ввп несколько лет назад был глубоко по ....
        Но сейчас я отчётливо вижу, что под его "деланье умного вида и надувание щёк" страна катится в известное место.
        Керенскому тоже в своё время люди руки целовали (недолго, правда). Да дело и не конкретно в нынешнем "гаранте". дело в системе, которая появилась в нашей стране после 91-го


        Good afternoon, dear Alexey!
        Fully agree with you.
        The problem is that you, I and only SOME others, so far not enough.
        Politicians, and especially Comrade President, “are played by a large team of the proff of psycho-manipulative war”, his look, words, questions of the IMU are carefully verified and calculated ahead of time.
        But it’s only such a trifle that, despite the “mass media rink”, people begin to think not about how “VOVAN BEAUTIFULly spoke or spoke, but his words, stories and stories REALLY mean for everyday struggle for the survival of simple the townsfolk, whose sons, brothers or fathers are building military vehicles and with arms in their hands defend their RUSSIA?
        Because the people of Russia are the lower and middle 98% of citizens and taxpayers that I have already described here, and not the “fat cats” / upper 2%, most of which come to Russia only a couple of times a year from their residence abroad ...

        Let me quote below the thoughts of Miroslav Doleicia:
        "... уже do not have the will to be a people. What remains is morally and intellectually finished a group of people.
        A people is what its mothers are. Mothers, however, need men to guard them and give a future to their descendants.
        However, we do not have men capable of rebelling for the salvation of their families and their country.
        To be or not to be a scoundrel, for people it was just a question of whether or not to succeed.
        But для большинства людей, сам успех уже настолько настолько нужен, что он стоит выше морали и выше критики."
        To be continued.
      2. michajlo
        michajlo 21 September 2013 18: 59 New
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        Continuation No. 2.

        "Никакие преступление не были совершены, пока сами преступления не были обнародованы, и из-за того no one forces them to struggle with a personal conscience. Those very best of them turn away from all public politics in disgust and they should no longer be considered in politics.
        Their truth is that people cannot be helped if each individual does not want to help himself.
        ... Our people today are like spectators sitting in front of gladiatorial arenas, who support their gladiators only as long as they win. Once (in the lists / translator's note) they will start to lose, people will banish them and I will omitso

        People expect from their leaders that they will be saved, but they themselves do not want to hit a finger on the bollard
        c.
        Therefore, the period should naturally come when they will be lowered to the level of animals, plunged into slavery and spat upon.
        And only then, I think that several young men of the next generation will understand that they can resist only themselves as individuals и that this deadly duel they will have to accept not only to win it, but also so that they do not die like cowards ... "

        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 22 September 2013 02: 29 New
      0
      He raised the salaries of state employees: military, police, teachers (the teacher’s wife received 12 thousand, now 35 thousand), military pensions (from 18 thousand to 25 thousand) Modernization of factories: we brought new equipment to KNAAZ and NEA, build new workshops. In recent years, built houses, schools, children. gardens, hospitals, new roads are being built (Selikhino-Nikolaevsk, Lidoga-Vanino), the second branch of BAM began to lead us. This is only about Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Who authorized you to be responsible for 98% of the inhabitants of Russia
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 22 September 2013 10: 03 New
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        Where do you get such salaries? Our railway workers get 19-20 thousand for hard work. And my sister is the school director and I know by hearsay that the teachers' salaries are around 15t. So you don’t even guarantee for 98%
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 22 September 2013 12: 06 New
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          Come to the Khabarovsk Territory will receive as much if you earn
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 21 September 2013 18: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Oskar
    These guys shit..and Putin’s Valdai theses ...
    [media = http: //www.kp.ru/online/news/1541589/]
    Another challenge to us ...

    So there will always be, and they were the ones who will do the trick for everything, and this is a very motley audience, and the police must find the perpetrators and blame them completely, blast the local diaspora. Everything is in the hands of the local authorities or do you think that Putin must personally go there and drive his theses ?!)
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 September 2013 18: 17 New
    +6
    They attached Golikova, attached Surkov, and now Kudrin is attached laughing
  • Garrin
    Garrin 21 September 2013 18: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Yarosvet
    They attached Golikov, attached Surkov, now Kudrin is also attached laughing

    And where can new faces and alternatives come from here? Personnel hunger, damn it.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 September 2013 18: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Garrin
      Personnel hunger, damn it.
      Manpower famine, his mother ... laughing
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 21 September 2013 18: 44 New
    -3
    It seems to me that Kudrin and the like, whom many are so afraid of, will always be somewhere nearby, even if Putin changes. And if, for example, the current left takes power, then they will not have enough spirit to abruptly change course, contrary to all their promises, etc. to Russia, it will stop again and sag, but the strength may come out and it may not be enough because the wrecker of external and internal pests, again someone will try to ruin the country, etc. In my opinion, Putin has chosen not an ideal, but perhaps an optimal development path, even if Russia moves forward slowly, surely, you will continue to move more slowly, we will slowly build muscle and look, get up from our knees and even this can be seen from foreign policy, this is encouraging.
  • Best novel
    Best novel 21 September 2013 19: 17 New
    +6
    This is necessary, just 13 years in power, and has already begun to understand something. Another 40-50 years and there will be a wonderful ruler !!!
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 21 September 2013 20: 04 New
      +1
      Experience comes over the years! So I have to study
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 September 2013 20: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Serg 122
        Experience comes over the years! So I have to study

        А может сначала "на кошечках потренироваться"?
  • amp
    amp 21 September 2013 19: 31 New
    +3
    He says that correctly, but how far will all this get to the point?
    1. denn
      denn 21 September 2013 20: 17 New
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      As much as you personally work on it.
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 21 September 2013 19: 43 New
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    Perhaps this is generally the first case in the modern history of the country, or even since the end of the existence of the Russian Empire, when the head of state uses the term "Russian peoples" ("Russian people")
    Дожили! Президент России впервый раз попробовал произнести словосочетание "русский народ". Напоминает общество анонимных алкоголиков в америке. Там они собираются в кружок и каждый произносит примерно такую фразу: "здравствуйте, меня зовут Боб и я(пауза) алкоголик... (и оплодисменты)" Ну ни чего, ничего! Он только 13 лет у власти. Глядишь, лет через 20 научится без стеснения говорить. laughing
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 21 September 2013 19: 46 New
    +3
    Everyone but us is to blame) Tired of chewing this topic, if someone doesn’t like something, then you need to do it now)
  • experienced
    experienced 21 September 2013 20: 15 New
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    Dear forum users! In the discussions of this article, everything that interferes with NORMAL communication on the site appeared. IMHO hi
    Читал все комменты, без исключения. Пришел к выводу, что 3/4 комментов должны были быть в личке из-за своей "местечковости" разборок, часть комментариев абсолютно провокационна, часть самоупивание "Все дураки, а я в теме", кто то просто постил демотиваторы и т.д.
    I do not like Caps, but here I will resort: "НЕ НАДО УКАЗЫВАТЬ АВТОРУ, ЧТО ЕМУ НАДО ПИСАТЬ!!!!!!!!!!!
    НЕ НРАВИТСЯ - ПИШИТЕ САМИ!!!!!!"


    Сам далеко "не мягкий и пушистый" и наверное "гадил" на сайте побольше многих в этой теме вместе взятых, но тогда и посещаемость ниже была и скучнее было. ИМХО winked

    Ребята, давайте делать все для того, чтобы на сайт было приятно заходить для общения, а не "уходить в подполье" после 2-х комментов (моя теперешняя тактика) из-за боязни попасть в срач drinks

    Threat My claims are addressed to the entire public, and not to specific members of the forum hi
    And I would like more respect for the President, criticize his actions, but respect him as an official, after all, this is not a ZhEK locksmith, but the face of our countryhi

    ЗЫЫ Не ставьте "+" просто поддержите действиями drinks
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 21 September 2013 20: 37 New
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      experienced (6) RU Today, 20:15, _130921 / sub

      Good evening Alexey!

      You are right in something, I have about the level of expression in relation to the "First Person of the Country" and above all, between us.

      Regarding the criticism of the content of the article or of the author himself, because we are here exchanging thoughts, links and most importantly our own experience, everyone has a lot of things that others have experienced. good

      По поводу "Написания своей статьи" вместо пустой критики, могу лишь сказать что после того как я пошлю и потом Админы примут к опубликованию несколько моих переводов на русский с моим предисловием, я буду рад выслушать мнения и оценку высказываний мною переводимого автора и моих соображений на эту тему.


      А относительно того, что после Ваших высказываний, Вам приходится "отсиживаться в окопе по 2 дня", так может не стоит сначала «забрасывать самому в окопы собеседников гранаты»?! smile

      I would be very glad to exchange thoughts and conclusions with you, Mikhailo.
      1. experienced
        experienced 21 September 2013 20: 50 New
        +1
        Mikhailo, mutually hi
        Quote: michajlo
        You are right in something, I have about the level of expression in relation to the "First Person of the Country" and above all, between us.

        Between us, we can wash the bones in the kitchen, and going to the site (publicity), let's comply with the rules of decency soldier
        Quote: michajlo
        Regarding the criticism of the content of the article or of the author himself, because we are here exchanging thoughts, links and most importantly our own experience, everyone has a lot of things that others have experienced.

        Автор, выражает свою точку мнения и отражает в статье событие... Давайте не будем "стрелять в пианиста, он играет как умеет", и наши "пианисты" (Володин, Чувакин) играют профессионально good Мне претит мысль, что им можно, чтото "заказывать", мы на бесплатном ресурсе... Это как в ресторане, сунул штуку и тебе играют "Владимирский централ", тут все таки мы гости и читаем то что есть, а не то что нам нравится hi
        Quote: michajlo
        По поводу "Написания своей статьи" вместо пустой критики, могу лишь сказать что после того как я пошлю и потом Админы примут к опубликованию несколько моих переводов на русский

        You are fluent in Russian, write in Russian wink Вы очень тонкий психолог и умеете "подстраиваться" под собеседника. Удачи в творчестве drinks

        Quote: michajlo
        А относительно того, что после Ваших высказываний, Вам приходится "отсиживаться в окопе по 2 дня", так может не стоит сначала «забрасывать самому в окопы собеседников гранаты»?!

        Люблю провоцировать, мне больше нравиться "0" с с 20 "-" и 20 "+" нежели 30 +, я не добиваюсь лидерства, мне нравится общение yes
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 21 September 2013 21: 29 New
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          Hello Alexey!

          I am glad that we did not understand the moments successfully and we agree. good
          So you are the next of the “full-time” psychologists !? what

          Regarding creativity, it is you who praise me. I will explain.
          Somehow already 2-3 years ago on the Slovak and Czech sites, when discussing the political situation and prospects for Slovakia / the EU, I found links and quotes from one already deceased Czech, where he simple, with documentary facts and without emotions writes “about the hidden history of the ins and outs of history” (1989, because the “velvet revolution” in Czechoslovakia), which was actually organized and to the details of the meticulously executed "coup d'etat plan" under the guidance of our valiant КГБ, ГРУ, ШТБ/чешская сестра-дочка КГБ и "НЕ-дружеских" западных спецслужб...

          And what's interesting is that his statements, the names of politicians and traitors, no one here could refute in the Czech Republic and Slovakia... Although they spat and poisoned him for a very long time in all the media in Prague and Bratislava, they had plenty.

          And what is most interesting is that his "heretical" conjectures, thoughts, and most importantly expectations
          for the period (from 1990 to the present) turned out to be true and today's events for some reason "by chance" coincide with his thoughts.

          I just translated from Slovak and Czech some articles and some very interesting interviews of our era and our future.
          I will offer them here to the Admins for evaluation for Posting and discussion, and then I will be glad to provide the forum users with more information and answer questions or accusations!

          Sincerely, Mikhailo.
          1. experienced
            experienced 21 September 2013 21: 41 New
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            Quote: michajlo
            So you are the next of the “full-time” psychologists !?

            Старожилы знают, что я то выступал "оружием администрации", то возглавлял "революционеров"... итог был оди - БАН... Никогда не принимал ни какой точки зрения и высказывался только от себя wink
            Я уже устал доказывать, что я не "тайное оружие администрации" (Смирнов сейчас не спит и вертится, как вентилятор wassat ) Yes, and consider how you like ...
            I want to come to the site and be able to have normal communication ... That's what I strive for. I do not want to read the comments of the showdown, which can be placed in the Face (Admin +), fight through the staff. Why do I and other forum users should look who is cooler? ... hi
            1. michajlo
              michajlo 21 September 2013 22: 24 New
              +2
              Hello Alexey!

              Please forgive me for reluctantly "dropping you"! crying
              I just appreciated your interest in psychology and sometimes desire to provoke someone and casually check the work “Synapses and neurons in his shattered NA / nervous system” ?! what
              But in practice, it turned out that I accidentally said the classic: “get a fascist grenade from a Soviet soldier!” love

              I apologize again and let us continue to evaluate and comment on the article itself, links and comments, without moving from the topic of the conversation to the person of the Interlocutor. good

              Always at your service, Mikhailo.
    2. Oskar
      Oskar 21 September 2013 20: 44 New
      +5
      Too deep a split in assessments of the actions and inaction of the president also leads to a split in members of the forum. What some see with white and shining dazzling light, others see with black and glowing infernal reflections. With such a different vision of the situation, consensus is absolutely impossible, unless events happen (and they will happen anyway), which finally do not show the correctness of one or the other. IMHO hi
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 September 2013 20: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Oskar
        Too deep a split in assessments of the actions and inaction of the president also leads to a split in members of the forum.

        Yes.
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 38 New
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          Too deep a split in assessments of the actions and inaction of the president also leads to a split in members of the forum.


          это еще раз говорит о том, что стабильность только нарастает ("общество спит")

          society is not only not ready to choose a new path, not only to move along it, but also plainly did not start discussion

          как сказал один молодой социолог: "пока дискуссию ведут только крайние состояния", вот и поглядим
        2. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 22 September 2013 02: 42 New
          0
          Bees fly to honey, flies to ram
      2. alone
        alone 21 September 2013 22: 37 New
        +4
        there is an obvious shift in foreign policy. but no less a crushing fall in domestic politics. You cannot raise a country with such robbers. You have to call a spade a spade.
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 21 September 2013 23: 07 New
          +1
          you need to call a spade a spade.


          That's right, call a spade a spade, FOR EXAMPLE, in the country a lot of money is spent on weapons, but you need to spend more on ... (insert the one you need)

          "who thinks clearly, he clearly expresses"
        2. 31231
          31231 22 September 2013 14: 43 New
          +2
          Of course, you know better with Azerbaijan.
          1. alone
            alone 22 September 2013 18: 44 New
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            Quote: 31231
            Of course, you know better with Azerbaijan.


            конечно виднее,надо быть слепым чтобы этого не видеть))достаточно мне сходить в субботу на азербайджано-российскую границу и посидеть там пару часов.там такая возня творится.всюду коррупция и "культурный рекет".погранцы и полиция у всех кто проходит кпп в том или ином направлении берут взятки.думаете это успех внутренней политики? у меня у самого содрали 1000р когда когда входил на территорию России и столько же когда возвращался.
            1. 31231
              31231 22 September 2013 20: 49 New
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              Poor! Why did the border guards triple your ruble? I hope not for the beautiful eyes?
              1. alone
                alone 22 September 2013 21: 54 New
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                to let go to Russia without any verification. and when you return the same thing. imagine? there were about 40 people on the bus no less. and try not to give it back. They can delay it for days. Here it is. And it’s all systematized. In this situation, you can’t talk about successful domestic politics. Unfortunately, of course.
                1. 31231
                  31231 22 September 2013 22: 38 New
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                  That is, you are making a conclusion about the whole country about border guards in Dagestan ?! It’s strange.
                  Generally a simple tip. Just then they begin to allow themselves too much to shoot on the phone.
                  1. alone
                    alone 22 September 2013 22: 49 New
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                    in fact, each country begins with its border post. the border guards in Dagestan are all the same border guards of Russia. about the phone, thanks for the advice. but I have been to Russia very rarely. for the last 10 years only two times. and then for a week (at the invitation of a friend , Russian by the way).

                    P.S. I can say one thing. You need to end with all this negativity. Moreover, everywhere (in the whole of the former USSR). Then people will really live a worthy life.
                    1. Dober
                      Dober 22 September 2013 23: 28 New
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                      Golem sorry sorry plz ....
                      And can you comment on this -
                      Just pure interest.
                      А как вам удалось в короткий срок "прилепить" один автвар, кстати, позже у некоторых он сменился -
                      1. alone
                        alone 23 September 2013 00: 02 New
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                        it is the emblem of one of the conferences where the presidents of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan and Turkey participated. The conversation there was about the cultural rapprochement of our peoples. This symbol is like collecting 4 state flags in one. Blue -Kazakhstan, the sun-Kyrgyzstan, the crescent-Turkey
    3. Garrin
      Garrin 21 September 2013 20: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      And I would like more respect for the President, criticize his actions, but respect him as an official, after all, this is not a ZhEK locksmith, but the face of our countryhi

      Алексей, при всём уважении, некоторые слесари из ЖЭКа, вызывают бОльшее уважение, как представители управляющей компании, если они профессионально и честно выполняют свои обязанности. Как говорится: "Взялся за гуж, не говори, что недуж."
      А ежели первое лицо государства откровенно "буксует" во многих вопросах, то почему его нельзя его критиковать?
      Вот лично у меня, непонимание вопросов ответственности в нашей стране. Вот, например, накосячит дворник, его тут же накажут рублём, да так, что он минимум пол года будет "очухиватся". Накосячит министр-он только в прибыли. Косячит президент-мы ему дифирамбы поём.
      Can you explain?
      1. experienced
        experienced 21 September 2013 21: 04 New
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        Quote: Garrin
        А ежели первое лицо государства откровенно "буксует" во многих вопросах, то почему его нельзя его критиковать?

        Igor hi Мне импонирует, что Вы обратили внимание на мой спич, а потому поясню. Владимир Владимирович Путин выбран (как бы кто не был против) Президентом России и это неопровержимый факт! Я живу в России и оскорбление Президента воспринимаю, как личное оскорбление!!! Осуждайте политику, действия, личную жизнь Президента - с моей стороны будет "нейтралитет" или другие эмоции, но называя Президента по имени (кроме тех кто с ним на брудешафт не пил wassat ) I take it as a personal insult hi
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 21 September 2013 21: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: seasoned
          . Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was elected (as if someone was not against) the President of Russia and this is an undeniable fact! I live in Russia and perceive the insult of the President as a personal insult !!!

          Yes. I also voted for him.
          Quote: seasoned
          I live in Russia and perceive the insult of the President as a personal insult !!!

          Here too. Behind.
          Quote: seasoned
          Осуждайте политику, действия, личную жизнь Президента - с моей стороны будет "нейтралитет" или другие эмоции, но называя Президента по имени (кроме тех кто с ним на брудешафт не пил wassat ) я воспринимаю это как личное оскорбление hi

          And I agree with that.
          You see, on all counts, we are like-minded people. However, I directly say that I am not satisfied with the internal policies pursued by our president. I call this policy a betrayal of my own people without discounts on inexperience and not competence. Is this an insult?
          1. experienced
            experienced 21 September 2013 21: 26 New
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            Quote: Garrin
            I call this policy a betrayal of my own people. Is this an insult?

            We can criticize and discuss the policies and actions of our President, but we have no right to insult him as a person. This is my position. hi
            Потворствует ворам, с олигархами на "ты"... , но при этом ВВП, Владимир Владимирович и прочее без оскорблений!!! Мы на российском сайте и давайте уважать Президента, как Президента, а не как человека recourse Сам в шоке от опуса, но мысль выразил, каждого "выипнутого" по поводу адретизации Президента буду минусовать hi
      2. denn
        denn 21 September 2013 21: 06 New
        +2
        It is possible to criticize, moreover, objectively, but not to criticize, as the majority does here. To notice only cons, and even controversial, but to forget about the pros in general - this is something other than criticism. The president performs his duties more than decently and this is very well seen in foreign policy, for example. IMHO. But I cannot praise our ministers like that. What do you want from the president of the occupation system of government? Many local forum users are doing something personally for the country, or are only masters involved in criticism? Building a strong state is the task of the whole nation + government, but not one president. Among other things, criticism only exacerbates the situation and complicates the work of the same president. No need to rock the boat in which they themselves are sailing.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 20: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: optimist
    Quote: michajlo
    По моему скромному мнению, от того красиво ли летает, глубоко ли ныряет их Гарант, дела в стране НЕ ЗАВИСЯТ вообще... А вот за время, которое Путин находится у руля и при нем (4+4+(4)+1 лет = 9(13)лет, уже ЛЮБОЙ ИЗБИРАТЕЛЬ имеет право спросить тов. Президента, что кроме красивых речей и «топания ножками» и "нахмуриваняи бровей" перед телекамерами, он сделал для наведения порядка в России, ЗАЩИТЫ и НОРМАЛЬНОЙ ЖИЗНИ российских граждан ? Не алигархоф, реформаторов-вредителей, финансистов вскормленных ММФ и прочей «вражеской швали». Вы я надеюсь, понимаете о чем я веду речь?

    Вы абсолютно правы, уважаемый! Просто всё дело в проклятом русском менталитете! Ну не может русский народ без царя (генсека, президента). Всегда найдётся куча желающих лизнуть его (реально или виртуально) в известную часть тела. Недаром центральная фигура во всех сказках,-Иван-не-очень-умный-человек. "Барин приедет,-рассудит" И т.д. и т.п. Только вот у людей никак не хватает мозгов сообразить, что председатель "гей-клуба" никак не может быть "Д*Артаньяном". Русскому народу уже более 1000 лет рассказвают сказочку про "доброго царя" и "злых бояр". Посмотреть зомбоящик,-в стране только 2 "патриота": ввп и шойгу. Остальные все,-сами знаете кто... Лично мне ввп несколько лет назад был глубоко по .... Но сейчас я отчётливо вижу, что под его "деланье умного вида и надувание щёк" страна катится в известное место. Керенскому тоже в своё время люди руки целовали (недолго, правда). Да дело и не конкретно в нынешнем "гаранте". дело в системе, которая появилась в нашей стране после 91-го.

    Dear criticizing, it’s easy .. What do you suggest and who about .. You suggested that I study history (I think I don’t know it?) Here you personally and many people offend me with your comments, like, This country mentality would ... I don’t understand the country is rolling the abyss is all thieves and ONE I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND SIGNIFICANCE (I exaggerate a bit but this point of view is very familiar to me since the 90s .. when the collapse of the USSR began ..) You write as a standard .. the system rolls, human rights theft Theft Speak directly, you want the collapse of Russia and the Russian nation as such! I am sure that I understood you correctly! And you don’t need to make excuses .. You start to rock the boat (it's about what you hinted to me what will happen in a year ..) And they zombify people like you on Google, etc. As they say, they’ll goose bumps on Google and begin to teach the Russian people how to live and whom to listen to read, to watch, It was all this already happened more than once and not two ... BLOOD WAS MANY .. Here's something expressed so .. (we are untrained village so sorry if offended by anything ..)
    1. optimist
      optimist 21 September 2013 23: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ONE I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND KNOW

      No need to juggle, dear. Mania of greatness I have not yet come.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Here you suggested that I study history (I think I probably don’t know it?) Here you personally and many people offend me with your comments

      Оскорблять я никого не думал. А по поводу изучения истории я прямо говорю: если вы её ДЕЙСТВИТЕЛЬНО ЗНАЕТЕ, то не можете не видеть полного совпадения нынешней ситуации с ситуацией 100-летней давности. Со всеми, как говорится, вытекающими. И давайте вернёмся к сути статьи: дело не в том, "хороший" или "плохой" ввп, а в том, что многих уже задолбал его дешёвый трёп, расходящийся с реальными делами.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Speak directly, you want the collapse of Russia and the Russian nation as such!

      Вот только не надо мне приписывать "часовню, разрушенную в 13-м веке". Мне просто очень не хочется, чтобы Россия наступила на "грабли" прошлого века.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 21 September 2013 23: 23 New
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        then you cannot help but see the complete coincidence of the current situation with the situation 100 years ago.


        can be more detailed from this place, I’m sure that many visitors to the site would really like to see the undeniable clarity of your intellect :)

        "who thinks clearly, he clearly expresses"
        1. optimist
          optimist 22 September 2013 00: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: fisherman
          "who thinks clearly, he clearly expresses"

          As it is fashionable to say now, -EASY !!!
          1. Deep contradictions in civil society. Today, the problem of interethnic relations and separatism is still acute.
          2. Extreme level of corruption. (Hopefully no comment).
          3.Large external debt. The only difference is that 100 years ago the state, now, is corporate.
          4. A significant percentage of industrial and other assets are held by foreign owners.
          5. A very low level of industrial development, a commodity economy.
          6. A significant number of the population is below the poverty line.
          7. Power conducts warlike rhetoric and stubbornly wants to get involved in the war in order to distract the population from internal problems.
          8. The practical absence of real allies.
          9.Громадное количество во власти "агентов влияния" западных государств.
          In short, you can list for a long time, but it seems to me, and this is enough ...
          1. fisherman
            fisherman 22 September 2013 00: 37 New
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            thank you

            1. Deep contradictions in civil society. Today, the problem of interethnic relations and separatism is still acute.


            удивительно, а у меня другие сведения, мне кажется , что "общество спит", просыпаясь только на мгновение, когда, например, кто-то кого-то зарежет скальпелем. Остро стоит проблема сепаратизма? Кто в последнее время от нас отсоединился? назовите страны, где , по-Вашему, нет межнациональных трений(преступлений), то есть где межнациональный идеал?

            2. Extreme level of corruption. (Hopefully no comment).


            в каких научных работах Вы подчерпнули понятие "предельный уровень коррупции"? как он определяется? как при помощи его проводить сравнительный анализ?

            3.Large external debt. The only difference is that 100 years ago the state, now, is corporate.


            I agree, I support, I consider it a disgrace to any external debt that is more than 1 penny (although, unlike you, I still do not know who should be shot for this) :)

            . A significant percentage of industrial and other assets are held by foreign owners.


            Moreover, the horror is that our property abroad is growing :)

            A significant number of the population is below the poverty line.


            significant - how much?
            Is it possible to have a society where there are no rich and poor? Equal opportunities? (no insect or bird community needed)

            The authorities are militant rhetoric and stubbornly wants to get involved in the war in order to distract the population from internal problems.


            eg? :)))

            The practical absence of real allies.


            не буду Вас пытать по поводу, что есть "реальный союзник", боюсь, раскрывая этот термин, Вы напишите фантастический роман

            Громадное количество во власти "агентов влияния" западных государств.


            I absolutely agree with you, if you will, I will add ...:

            not only in the government, but also around, these agents appeared in the 60s of the last century, for them everything Soviet was foreign, and wherever it was written in foreign letters it was dear and beloved

            because of these agents, for example, socialist Belarus will CONSTANTLY ask for the currency (US dollar) from our country :)

            пока , думаю, этого достаточно ...(если , конечно, не учитывать, что нас обещали "вернуть в царскую Россию")
            1. optimist
              optimist 22 September 2013 01: 02 New
              +3
              I propose to return to our rhetoric half a year or a year later. I promise not to gloat. (In which case ...)
              1. fisherman
                fisherman 22 September 2013 02: 03 New
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                necessarily

                I generally retired, so I began to study the works of modern oracles with pleasure :)

                we have a lot of them

                если хотите, то я могу накопировать сюда многие из них, начиная почти с начала нулевых, какой только бред не печатается с тех времен ... "а воз и ныне там"

                также проверить положение "воза" Вы можете на примере с Украиной, где все последнее 10-летие была более ускоренная(и более радикальная) смена царей :)

                do not disappear, in a year we will check the presence of causal relationships together :)
                1. optimist
                  optimist 22 September 2013 09: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: fisherman
                  do not disappear, in a year we will check the presence of causal relationships together :)

                  Не мне вам рассказывать, уважаемый, что история движется по спирали. И сегодня опять весь мир (и Россия в том числе) стоят на пороге глобальных изменений. Нынешняя российская власть не в состоянии адекватно ответить этим вызовам (как и царско-буржуазная 100 лет назад) и поэтому она уйдёт, так или иначе. Но нам всем прийдётся за это очень дорого заплатить. Ибо 25 лет сплошного воровства, предательства и деградации не могут пройти бесследно, даже для такой огромной и богатой страны. Россия сейчас похожа на велосипедиста, который уже не может крутить педали и едет по инерции. И весь вопрос в данный момент,-на сколько её хватит. Пока что ситуацию власть худо-бедно держит под контролем раздачей бюджетных "пряников". Но их, судя по всему, остаётся всё меньше и меньше...
                  1. fisherman
                    fisherman 22 September 2013 14: 19 New
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                    then the story moves in a spiral


                    в этом как раз никто не сомневается, просто люди по своей природе создания субъективные("мысль изреченная есть ложь"), поэтому всегда выбирают для себя выгодные моменты, например, на линии исторического развития, подгоняя по себя конечные выводы(результаты)

                    this is normal, unless they begin to portray themselves as truth or as a people (a carrier of objective knowledge)

                    enormous wealth lies in our land, now lies, over the years of hard times, about 0.001 ... 0.0001% of this enormous amount has been stolen, so when the so-called debaters break their spears and eat each other's baldness about a miser, and they don’t really notice the VALUE, as they say, ...

                    эта огромная ДЕНЬГА имеет свои "плюсы" , и свои "минусы" ...

                    и насчет "худо-бедно" :

                    power will not change at all, one model will collapse, another will come to replace, I mean the economic model
                    1. optimist
                      optimist 22 September 2013 15: 05 New
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                      Quote: fisherman
                      power will not change at all, one model will collapse, another will come to replace, I mean the economic model

                      В том-то всё и дело. В 1917-м существовавшие тогда власть и экономическая модель показали свою полную несостоятельность (в отличии от 1991-го, когда власть собственноручно обанкротила страну в корыстных целях). Нынешняя "стабильность" подходит к своему логическому концу (не буду углублятся в подробности, внимательные люди это могут без проблем заметить). Видимо, недалёк тот день, когда Россия будет втянута в очередной конфликт (внутренний или внешний). Вот вам и "спираль" 100-летней давности.
                      Quote: fisherman
                      enormous wealth lies in our land, now lies, over the years of hard times, about 0.001 ... 0.0001% of this enormous amount has been stolen, so when the so-called debaters break their spears and eat each other's baldness about a miser, and they don’t really notice the VALUE, as they say, ...

                      Это так. Но весь вопрос в том, чьё это богатство? Сейчас оно в руках кучки приближённых к "стерху" уголовников. И с каждым днём все больше россиян это понимают. Пока какие-то "ништяки" в виде кредитных тачек и поездок в Турцию препадают "плебсу", он помалкивает. Но сейчас уже видно, что количество этих "ништяков" будет в ближайшем будущем уменьшаться в геометрической прогрессии...
                      1. fisherman
                        fisherman 22 September 2013 20: 19 New
                        +2
                        In 1917, the then existing power and economic model showed their complete failure.


                        революционная ситуация в царской России это "сумма обстоятельств",

                        Вы же представили слишком поверхностный анализ той ситуации, рекомендую набрать в поисковике : "Господин 1916" или, например, "Лес разгорается", посмотрите на время опубликования, и попытайтесь заново обнаружить причинно-следственные связи

                        the rest in a year, maybe then you will understand that there is no other people :)
                      2. optimist
                        optimist 22 September 2013 22: 22 New
                        +1
                        Quote: fisherman
                        революционная ситуация в царской России это "сумма обстоятельств",

                        I think that there is no particular need to remind you that in Russia everything comes unexpectedly: both winter and revolution ... laughing Давайте хотя бы "лимпияды" дождёмся,-а там будем полемизировать...
                      3. michajlo
                        michajlo 23 September 2013 00: 03 New
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                        optimist (5) RU Today, 22:22 _130922 / week
                        Quote: fisherman
                        революционная ситуация в царской России это "сумма обстоятельств",
                        Я думаю, что нет особой нужды напоминать вам, что в России всё наступает неожиданно: и зима, и революция... laughing Давайте хотя бы "лимпияды" дождёмся,-а там будем полемизировать...


                        Good evening, dear Alexey!

                        Вы точно подметили "всё ... неожиданно" good

                        А наперед думать и гадать, так "и кумпол, может зачесаться". fool
                      4. fisherman
                        fisherman 23 September 2013 02: 06 New
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                        Давайте хотя бы "лимпияды" дождёмся,-а там будем полемизировать...


                        gold words :)

                        in 98, on August 17, a crisis broke out in Russia, and so, according to the assurances of civil comrades, all of Moscow was naturally on its ears :)

                        for many Muscovites it was akin to the end of the world, a large number of forecasts were made, one worse than the other (the press of the time at my fingertips), people zealously rushed between banks and ATMs :)

                        at the same time, in the provinces, especially in villages, they have never heard of any crises, the most surprising is that when you ask them how you survived the crisis of 98 (and then 2008), they seem to ask again in surprise This uneducated Russia simply overslept all the cataclysms :)

                        боюсь, будет все как прежде, то есть все последствия лимпияд прочувствует на себе опять та же самая прослойка, за которую Вы так переживаете :) "вечно недовольные горожане"

                        ask sociologists and they will explain to you why in the next 10 years there will be no revolutions in Russia

                        if the woeful analysts the practitioners laugh at, because these analysts take into account only one parameter, albeit as important as the price of oil
                    2. optimist
                      optimist 22 September 2013 22: 50 New
                      +1
                      Хотелось бы сделать небольшое дополнение. Нас, полемизирующих, на подобных сайтах, интересующихся политикой, относительно немного. Подавляющая часть россиян далека от подобных интересов. Людей интересуют зарплаты, тарифы ЖКХ, цены, безопасность, здоровье и тому подобные "приземлённые" вещи. И это нормально. Говоря о том, что недолго "стерху" осталось летать с его "петушатником", я опираюсь прежде всего на то, что "у атамана золотой запас заканчивается". Со всеми, как говорится, вытекающими... Пока ещё "плебс" помалкивает. Но когда сокращение расходов на социалку, увеличение тарифов, безработица и рост цен прейдут некую критическую черту, народец и взбунтоваться может. Даже глядя официальные СМИ и читая между строк, понимаешь:"наверху" конкретный переполох. Напомню вам, что события октября 1917-го произошли по весьма банальной причине: в Питере на неделю в лабазах исчез хлеб. Дедушка Ленин сотоварищи были явно не готовы к подобному повороту, но всё-таки не растерялись...
                    3. Dober
                      Dober 22 September 2013 23: 38 New
                      +1
                      In the general text - nothing but good
                      Про " Дедушка Ленин сотоварищи" отрицалово полное только за написание с большой буквы...
                      Quote: optimist
                      читая между строк, понимаешь:"наверху" конкретный переполох.

                      More precisely organized (most likely from the outside) Recognize - it turned out. It is necessary to stick to the answer ...
                      Quote: optimist
                      Говоря о том, что недолго "стерху" осталось летать с его "петушатником"

                      Oh God forbid .... What will happen ...
                    4. optimist
                      optimist 22 September 2013 23: 53 New
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                      Quote: Dober
                      Oh God forbid .... What will happen ...

                      Will you grieve much? laughing
                    5. fisherman
                      fisherman 23 September 2013 02: 22 New
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                      Have you prepared already? :)

                      and suddenly, and you are not yet in the village, not among the people, this is very dangerous for the revolutionaries, because the revolution loves to eat them

                      I even started to worry about you :)
                  2. fisherman
                    fisherman 23 September 2013 02: 20 New
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                    More precisely organized (most likely from the outside)


                    so as not to load the Internet with tons of information, I will try very briefly

                    ставка делалась на весь политический спектр, какая "ставка сыграет" в немецком генштабе не знали, и не важно какая, то же самое относилось и к англичанам, приоритетом был ХАОС, а не какие именно силы в тот или иной момент будут верховодить, денежки-то все брали :)
                2. fisherman
                  fisherman 23 September 2013 02: 15 New
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                  The vast majority of Russians are far from such interests.


                  есть простой и очень наглядный тест на близость к народу("страшно далеки они от народа")

                  take a piece of paper and fill out two columns, write down your life priorities in the first (from the first, most important, to the last), and in the second column write down the people's primary desires (as the arithmetic mean of population survey services)

                  then just compare :)

                  Let me remind you that the events of October 1917 occurred for a very banal reason: in St. Petersburg, bread disappeared for a week in the sheds.


                  this is just the tip of the iceberg, when analyzing cause-effect relationships, you should try to pay the most attention to the deepest, deepest layers :)))
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 21: 16 New
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    I understand the topic (some lead into the direction they need))) Actually, it is customary to call the heads of state by name and surname in the official media .. And it doesn’t matter what to call .. The main attitude towards him is like a politician and a person! You can list all the titles and regalia and immediately offend ..
    I think now there is an attempt to get away from the essence of Vladimir’s speech ..))) He stepped on the tails of many! and the oligarchs, he crushes the pressure (they no longer run to London ..))) Well done Volodya! Ural with you!
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 21: 27 New
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    Quote: 31231
    The share of high-tech industry in Russia not only did not increase, but even decreased
    Is this a serious reference? If you do not mind.
    I understand that you are comparing 2002 and 2012 ?!


    Yes of course. You are welcome.
    http://m.expert.ru/2013/09/19/industrializatsiya-bez-haj-teka/
    There article experts compare. I just brought an excerpt from there.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 21 September 2013 21: 45 New
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      Now even in Hong Kong the share of high-tech industries has decreased ...

      they have a crisis

      goryuchka dear

      number of slaves places decreased

      Putin is to blame
      (nothing that I made the last conclusion for you is that you do not spend so much time chewing on your truths to the forum public)
    2. 31231
      31231 22 September 2013 14: 59 New
      +1
      Thanks, I read it.
      Rating from UN-tied Unido. How the calculation was carried out and in what is completely unknown. If in money, then it’s clear to a fool that oil revenues have grown several times since 2002 due to rising prices, and income from high-tech production has remained the same + inflation. The result of% high-tech of the total state revenues decreased, but the volumes remained at the same level.
      Но вам это глупо объяснять, все эти эксперты и рейтинги расчитаны на ваши "большие уши".
  • Garrin
    Garrin 21 September 2013 21: 38 New
    +8
    Quote: MIKHAN
    and the oligarchs, he crushes the pressure (they no longer run to London ..))) Well done Volodya! Ural with you!

    Yes, this is an indicator, peermog, as our Ukrainian friends say. Apparently, he has come a lot.
    And in my opinion, if he had won, then we would have sold gasoline for 5 rubles., El. energy, 2p. and note that such tariffs would not be to the detriment of the monopolists, though without superprofits, but nothing happens. And with such prices, can industry begin to develop and agriculture? But no way, at Abramovich from such a yacht may not be the longest in the World.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 21 September 2013 22: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Garrin
      And in my opinion, if he had won, then we would have sold gasoline for 5 rubles., El. energy, 2p. and note that such tariffs would not be to the detriment of the monopolists, though without superprofits, but nothing happens.

      In the price of gasoline, about 50% excise tax and tax, that is, the share of the state. And all the rest is profit and cost.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 September 2013 22: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: Russ69
        In the price of gasoline, about 50% excise tax and tax, that is, the share of the state. And all the rest is profit and cost.

        Yes. Only Mr. Putin allocated huge loans for the modernization and construction of oil refineries, and during the 2008 crisis. These loans were successfully withdrawn abroad. Moreover, consider what was credited from the budget. Then they demanded the quality of gasoline, to which the oligarchs responded, we will try, but there is no money. Again they were given ....
        Well, how many fools can we make of us?
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 22 September 2013 01: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Garrin
          Yes. Only Mr. Putin allocated huge loans for the modernization and construction of oil refineries, and during the 2008 crisis. These loans were successfully withdrawn abroad. Moreover, consider what was credited from the budget.

          Before writing about state loans in 2008, it would first be necessary to study the essence of these loans.
          I'll try to chew ... Since the crisis and a decrease in liquidity in Western banks, however, as in ours. Bankers requested a repayment of loans, which were mostly taken in the West (the interest rate is there, you know, much less). The state was then forced to provide assistance, otherwise our assets would have been in the hands of Western banks, since the provision of loans was under these same assets (i.e., factories, ships, etc.). The state gave money on credit, not freebies, which naturally went to repay loans to Western banks. By 2010, it seems, all that the state allocated has returned back. At that time, some even suggested that the state buy out property ...
          Everything was done right then ...
  • Garrin
    Garrin 21 September 2013 21: 40 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Потворствует ворам, с олигархами на "ты"... , но при этом ВВП, Владимир Владимирович и прочее без оскорблений!!!

    And here I agree with you.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 September 2013 22: 01 New
    -3
    Quote: Garrin
    Quote: MIKHAN
    and the oligarchs, he crushes the pressure (they no longer run to London ..))) Well done Volodya! Ural with you!

    Yes, this is an indicator, peermog, as our Ukrainian friends say. Apparently, he has come a lot.
    And in my opinion, if he had won, then we would have sold gasoline for 5 rubles., El. energy, 2p. and note that such tariffs would not be to the detriment of the monopolists, though without superprofits, but nothing happens. And with such prices, can industry begin to develop and agriculture? But no way, at Abramovich from such a yacht may not be the longest in the World.

    They’ve been kicking Russia for a long time Putna too .. And the Russian people don’t listen at all .. I remember gas as water, I played 100 50 10 liters in coupons .. I remember my father and I went to Moscow (gas ran out ..) here the boy is eating on a moped. .Dad slows down the liter cast! that one please (you’ll come to the garage, I told you I’ll pour a bucket ..)) I didn’t come .. because it cost a penny .. I don’t need to humiliate and trample us on it. Moreover, I’m clever about s / x. riches of Russia .. Let’s figure it out, don’t worry, and you don’t need to rock the boat now .. Russia is not Moscow, how did you try to decide the fate of Russia there in the swamp .. I’m answering a booze, arrange a trip in Moscow, I don’t scare!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 September 2013 22: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I do not need to humiliate and trample us.

      I wonder who it is you and who tramples you? In general, some chicken-cock terminology.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And especially about s / x clever.

      And where does the clever? Cheaper fuel — cheaper processing — lower costs — cheaper product. ABC.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Many divorced hunters to the riches of Russia ..

      Это точно. Только идут все в коопратив "Озеро". В который вся страна привратилась с лёгкой руки Лучезарного.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Russia is not Moscow, how did you try to decide the fate of Russia in the swamp?

      Ну вот ни одного разу не был на "Болотной". По секрету. Даже и в честь выборов мера не ходил.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      . I answer Buzu arrange in Moscow come tear .. I do not scare!

      But this is in vain. I would have answered you with a foul language, sorry the rules do not allow. In short, before threatening, MIKHAN, you first think with your head. Here before your your statements, I had a better opinion of you.
      Already, without respect.
      Igor.
    2. alone
      alone 21 September 2013 22: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      . I answer Buzu arrange in Moscow come tear .. I do not scare!


      and what is the benefit to the people of Russia? A civil war wanted?
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 September 2013 22: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        and what is the benefit to the people of Russia? A civil war wanted?

        Yes, it’s true, the talk is empty. To begin with, let them cope with the local thieves and begin to grow grapes with watermelons in the Urals.
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 21 September 2013 23: 11 New
          -2
          right, let them do real things locally, in the provinces

          and you, so be it, will be occupied only with the most responsible and HIGH deeds, namely, the Throne :)
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 21 September 2013 23: 21 New
            +6
            Quote: fisherman
            right, let them do real things locally, in the provinces

            and you, so be it, will be occupied only with the most responsible and HIGH deeds, namely, the Throne :)

            If you wrote this to me, I can answer. Today, with my team, I started heating in hospitals, kindergartens, schools and clinics. Today we have a day off, we will not receive surcharges and time off. They said it was necessary and we went out.
            All day long the rain is peeling, wet, frozen, but done. Any questions?
            and you, so be it, will be occupied only with the most responsible and HIGH deeds, namely, the Throne :)

            Well, where are we? We are more mundane. Thrones are being killed at Uralvagonzavod.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 21 September 2013 23: 28 New
              0
              Today we have a day off, we will not receive surcharges and time off. They said it was necessary and we went out.


              excellent ... I hope you will continue to act in the same way

              а то мне на время показалось, что Вы так называемый "мальчик с бархатными ладошками", а Вы человек дела

              it’s not clear why there are so many Putin in your life :)
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 22 September 2013 13: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: fisherman
                it’s not clear why there are so many Putin in your life :)

                You know, maybe my answer will sound somewhat pathetic, but I’ll say as it is.
                Because I love my country, my Motherland and I am not indifferent to the fate of our people.
  • Hulk
    Hulk 21 September 2013 22: 02 New
    +6
    Quote: fisherman
    Putin is to blame
    (nothing that I made the last conclusion for you is that you do not spend so much time chewing on your truths to the forum public)


    Well no, fisherman to blame for everything. He (the fisherman) is responsible for the development of the country.
    He (fisherman ) annually speaks to members of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma with a statement of his assessment of the situation in various spheres of public life, formulates his vision of the main directions of state policy.
    His duties (fisherman) consist in competent governance of the state as a whole, aimed at the development and prosperity of the people of the country and the nation as a whole. soldier I was not mistaken, I hope.

    Quote: fisherman
    (nothing that I made the last conclusion for you is that you do not spend so much time chewing on your truths to the forum public)

    Well what are you, for God's sake. You can even dig my mother-in-law's garden instead of me. What a ceremony! fellow
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 21 September 2013 23: 15 New
      -1
      I was not mistaken, I hope.


      Well, of course, you’re not mistaken, dear, you are our modern intellectual, just sometimes get confused and argue with yourself :)

      Do I understand you correctly that now (according to your amazing logic) it is enough to simply cut off my influence on the political, social, economic life of our long-suffering Motherland, how will the finally long-awaited paradise come for you and your mother-in-law? :)