Azerbaijan plans to promote the BTR-70M to the world market with the Simsek module

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Azerbaijan plans to promote the BTR-70M to the world market with the Simsek module


Azerbaijan is considering the possibility of promoting its own development of the BTR-70M with the Simsek module to the world arms market.

The BTR-70 armored personnel carriers upgraded in Azerbaijan by local specialists is a modification of the BTR-70М, which was created by engineers of the Baku Instrument Plant together with specialists from the South African company EWT and the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Nikolayev Repair and Mechanical Plant.

On the BTR-70M installed new navigation devices integrated into the GLONASS-GPS system, digital communications, air conditioning. They also equipped the machine with anti-mine bottom and seats, and to protect the crew from splinters, the inner surface of the armor was covered with Kevlar.

The armored personnel carrier also received a new combat module Simsek (in translation - lightning). The Simshek combat module, developed by the South African company EWT, is installed. Equipped with an 23-mm ZU-23 automatic cannon or 30-mm 2А42 automatic cannon. The module itself is based on the Predator II, which is an uninhabited tower designed for fully automated deployment of a heavy machine gun and light gun.



The module is designed in such a way as to maximally provide information about the battlefield to the operator in real time at any time of the day. In the turret of the module is installed 30-mm gun and 7.62 machine gun with her paired. An operator located below the roof of the hull, controlling the fire according to the picture on the LCD monitor.
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  1. +6
    20 September 2013 07: 09
    It turned out to be a very competitive batter. That's what Soviet development means. What you want to do, how you want to strengthen, everything will pull.
    1. +2
      20 September 2013 07: 14
      Soviet lego constructor!
    2. Warrawar
      -5
      20 September 2013 07: 18
      Quote: domokl
      It turned out to be a very competitive batter. That's what Soviet development means. What you want to do, how you want to strengthen, everything will pull.

      Whatever one may say, anything better than a "miracle" BTR-4 will turn out.
      1. Akim
        +3
        20 September 2013 09: 05
        Quote: Warrawar
        better than the "miracle" BTR-4 will turn out.

        Can you give a comparison, or is it unfounded?
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          1. Akim
            0
            20 September 2013 11: 40
            Quote: Warrawar
            because they themselves made a modification of the BTR-70 better)))

            So what? This is not an indicator. The Ukrainian army buys BTR-7, not because it is better, but because it is 3 times cheaper.
            1. Warrawar
              -2
              20 September 2013 11: 44
              Quote: Akim
              So what? This is not an indicator. The Ukrainian army buys BTR-7, not because it is better, but because it is 3 times cheaper.

              BTR-4 is sanded with sandpaper BTR-70. Azerbaijanis have the same thing, only better.
              1. Akim
                +2
                20 September 2013 11: 51
                Quote: Warrawar
                BTR-4 is sanded with sandpaper BTR-70.

                And without a phobia. On what basis have you decided this? Are you familiar with the documentation? Have you been testing? Exploited it? Or did they take everything without leaving the monitor?
                1. Warrawar
                  0
                  20 September 2013 11: 54
                  Quote: Akim
                  And without a phobia. On what basis have you decided this? Are you familiar with the documentation? Have you been testing? Exploited it? Or did they take everything without leaving the monitor?

                  What color is the sky? Blue? Have you made this conclusion behind the monitor screen? Did you attend testing? Have you seen the documentation?
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    20 September 2013 12: 01
                    Quote: Warrawar
                    What color is the sky? Blue? Have you made this conclusion behind the monitor screen?

                    No, I see it with my own eyes in reality (thank God not a dungeon child). And as for the documents. We know this (those who studied correctly), even from school textbooks, which are a document approved by the Ministry of Education.
                    1. Warrawar
                      0
                      20 September 2013 12: 20
                      Quote: Akim
                      No, I see it with my own eyes in reality (thank God not a dungeon child).

                      Likewise, the rest of the world sees that the "so-called" Ukrainian defense industry complex "is handicraft alterations of samples of the occupying equipment.
                      1. Warrawar
                        0
                        20 September 2013 12: 44
                        Fronts:
                      2. Warrawar
                        +1
                        20 September 2013 12: 49
                        A bit more:
                      3. smersh70
                        +4
                        20 September 2013 12: 59
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        Fronts:


                        ... and our reports are encouraging fellow cleanliness and tidiness!!!
                      4. Warrawar
                        0
                        20 September 2013 13: 04
                        Also not a fountain, but much better than the Ukrainian, post-apocalyptic trash.
                      5. +2
                        20 September 2013 13: 09
                        Quote: smersh70
                        cleanliness and tidiness!!!

                        And why BLUE, for peacekeepers or what?
                      6. smersh70
                        +4
                        20 September 2013 13: 20
                        Quote: svp67
                        Why are BLUE


                        ..what's the difference laughing will still fly on the heads of our "valiant" neighbors bully
                      7. 0
                        20 September 2013 13: 22
                        Quote: smersh70
                        .da what's the difference anyway they will fly on the heads of our "valiant" neighbors

                        With the readiness with which we sell weapons abroad, I would not be so sure ... Alas.
                      8. smersh70
                        +4
                        20 September 2013 13: 36
                        Quote: svp67
                        we sell weapons abroad

                        ..Well, we all the same produce part of the weapon ... we must thoroughly prepare for war .... as the Russian proverb says, they will knock out a wedge)))) ... for example, a workshop for the production of large-caliber cartridges ....
                      9. Akim
                        +2
                        20 September 2013 13: 07
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        This is a makeshift alteration of samples of occupational technology.

                        CHAUVINIST!!! Conversation is over. Fight on political topics!
                      10. Warrawar
                        -2
                        20 September 2013 13: 09
                        Quote: Akim
                        CHAUVINIST!!! Conversation is over. Fight on political topics!

                        I'm realist.
                      11. 0
                        20 September 2013 13: 11
                        Quote: Akim
                        Akim
                        Good afternoon.
                        Is it true that since the New Year you have a contract army and there will be no draft? Or again propaganda ...
                      12. Akim
                        +1
                        20 September 2013 13: 18
                        Quote: svp67
                        Is it true that since the New Year you have a contract army and there will be no draft?

                        This is an extreme call. In general, there remains only a mobilization appeal, which in peacetime is irrelevant.
                      13. 0
                        20 September 2013 13: 27
                        Quote: Akim
                        This is an extreme call.

                        This is really a "BACKWORD" wink or can replay?
                      14. Akim
                        +1
                        20 September 2013 13: 37
                        Quote: svp67
                        or can replay?

                        And how do you imagine this? These are not toys. I wanted to cancel, I wanted to enter. In any case, no one canceled the military commissariats of medical commissions. Only these inspections will pursue a different purpose than conscription.
                      15. Warrawar
                        +2
                        20 September 2013 13: 22
                        Quote: svp67
                        Good afternoon.
                        Is it true that since the New Year you have a contract army and there will be no draft? Or again propaganda ...

                        Yes, it’s true, a soldier will receive 3000 re, a little more than the Russian conscript and 10-15 times less than the Russian contractor.
          2. smersh70
            +8
            20 September 2013 12: 06
            Quote: Warrawar
            Isaerbots refused

            ... choose expressions ...... am
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    3. +2
      20 September 2013 07: 31
      You are right, Alexander.
      No wonder the Israelis from the captured (mostly abandoned by the crews) T-55 made themselves BMP. Although shtatovtsy they offered their M-47,48 in order to show the world the uselessness of our technology. By the way, we had a tanker in our unit, a former instructor in Egypt in 60. His reviews about the instructed - continuous mat. Translating into normal language, he said that first they had to finish at least seven years and so on.
    4. +1
      20 September 2013 13: 49
      Quote: domokl
      It turned out to be a very competitive batter. That's what Soviet development means. What you want to do, how you want to strengthen, everything will pull.

      What happened there is unknown. request
      Maybe you tried this modernized BTR-70 in business, but I didn’t.
      In addition to the article, there is no information written quite illiterate.
      In particular, nothing has been written about the power plant (on the BTR-70, whoever does not remember, two ZMZ engines, they did not meet the requirements, as a result the BTR-80 with a KAMAZ diesel engine appeared)
      It is clear that there is a tower (module) produced by South Africa, and here is Azerbaijan?
      Paid the purchase and installation?
      Some phrases warn: "Fully automated deployment of heavy machine gun and light cannon."
      Placements, not deployments, speak Russian. It is not clear what the "full automation" is and whether "full" is needed for a light armored personnel carrier? The principle is that the simpler, the more reliable nobody canceled.
      It is still not an air defense system or an interceptor.
      It is amusingly said: "to provide maximum information about the battlefield to the operator in real time"
      Or the BTR gunner may have a different mode! wassat
      As if it was a minimum battalion commander!
      He must see the targets and have the ability to aim the weapon to aim them to destroy — that’s all the information on the scale of the infantry APC.
      Articles that do not carry real information should not be on the site, but in junk, like old furniture from the attic.
      1. smersh70
        +5
        20 September 2013 14: 11
        Quote: Alekseev
        modernized BTR-70

        . bought only the hull-150 pieces in Ukraine .... They also equipped the machine with a mine bottom and seats, and to protect the crew from fragments, the inner surface of the armor was covered with Kevlar ..
        Quote: Alekseev
        (on the BTR-70, who does not remember, two ZMZ engines,

        I agree .. and their carburetors and the ignition system especially delivered the brain trap .. it was necessary to make the engines work the same way .. the motorists in parts were tormented ... now there is a diesel ....
        Quote: Alekseev
        is the tower (module) produced in South Africa, where is Azerbaijan?

        produced by us ..... put the video below. take a look ...
        Quote: Alekseev
        Paid the purchase and installation?

        paid by our "neighbors" laughing so that they have a reason to quickly dump on their historical homeland fellow
    5. -1
      20 September 2013 15: 57
      Quote: domokl
      It turned out to be a very competitive batter. That's what Soviet development means. What you want to do, how you want to strengthen, everything will pull.


      purely my opinion - how it looks and will steal. but it looks ridiculous.
  2. +4
    20 September 2013 07: 11
    Well done Azerbaijanis! Not at a bad pace to develop their defense industry!
    1. +5
      20 September 2013 07: 33
      Good morning everybody hi

      According to the name and content of the information, in short, the translation left over to the equipment of the Soviet Army is equipped in addition to 30mm guns and 57mm missiles. The parameters of the module are classified


      I would also like to add that

      Azerbaijan creates a new anti-tank car
      Specialists of the Ministry of Defense Industry (MOP) of Azerbaijan based on the Gyurza patrol car created the anti-tank machine Egreb (Scorpio).
      The vehicle is armed with guided anti-tank missile systems of the Skif and Spike type, and machine guns of 7.62 mm caliber are placed on the sides.

      The Egrab high-traffic vehicle is based on the Toyota Hillux 12 chassis. This vehicle is capable of fighting against tanks in any terrain.

      The first Egrab armored vehicle was demonstrated at the military parade in Baku on June 26 of this year. In addition, it will be presented at the exhibition "Azerbaijan-10 years."

      It should be noted that the Gyurza patrol car presented to the public at the beginning of this year also has a modification called Babir (Leopard), which is equipped with an AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher.
      http://haqqin.az/news/10141
      1. +1
        20 September 2013 09: 25
        Quote: Apollon
        It should be noted that the Gyurza patrol car presented to the public at the beginning of this year also has a modification called Babir (Leopard), which is equipped with an AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher.

        So on the bottom photo there is "Gyurza"?
        Which is made in turn on the basis of the BRDM-2?
        1. Akim
          +1
          20 September 2013 09: 31
          This thing has an air gun on the tower. What for?
          1. 0
            20 September 2013 09: 58
            Quote: Akim
            This thing has an air gun on the tower. What for?

            I have much more "why" cause 4 guides for NURS.
            1. Akim
              0
              20 September 2013 10: 55
              Quote: Flood
              4 guides for NURS.

              Also a strange decision. The range is small, the warhead is small. It would be better if one guide 107-mm caliber set
              1. smersh70
                +3
                20 September 2013 11: 12
                Quote: Akim
                It would be better if one guide 107-mm caliber set


                ..so they are released from us ... why else put on an armored personnel carrier .....
                1. Akim
                  0
                  20 September 2013 11: 16
                  Quote: smersh70
                  Why else put on an armored personnel carrier .....

                  This is known, therefore, I remembered about this caliber. Counterquestion. And why 57 mm shells on that armored car?
                  1. smersh70
                    +4
                    20 September 2013 12: 09
                    Quote: Akim
                    And why 57 mm shells on that armored car?

                    ..a damn knows them)))))) you need to ask the developers)))) ... and probably more of these shells .... so they put them to strengthen firepower))))
                  2. Yarbay
                    +5
                    20 September 2013 12: 29
                    Quote: Akim
                    And why 57 mm shells on that armored car?

                    If only I could find an answer for myself!
                  3. +7
                    20 September 2013 12: 42
                    I have a feeling that some in the MNP are simply depicting "activity", not particularly bothering themselves with the question - what is this product? Some samples are successful, and some, to put it mildly, raise questions ...
                    1. smersh70
                      +4
                      20 September 2013 12: 45
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      Some samples are successful, and some to say the least raises questions .....


                      ... well, in search of a better one ... laughing
          2. smersh70
            +4
            20 September 2013 10: 17
            Quote: Akim
            This thing has an air gun on the tower. What for?


            ..... in Nagorno-Karabakh, mainly mountains ... ... range and slaughter were always necessary there .........
            1. Akim
              +1
              20 September 2013 10: 31
              Quote: smersh70
              . In Nagorno-Karabakh, mainly mountains ...

              Are you going to toss her? Or dump in peak without a parachute? Because the frantic rate of fire of a small gun is needed only for targets visible from above. The 23 mm caliber is not enough, and the ammunition consumption of the aircraft gun is huge. If it was an anti-aircraft gun, then it is completely justified.
              A 23 mm reconnaissance machine is sufficient in the form of 2A13. If you put this - most likely get rid of excess.
              1. smersh70
                +5
                20 September 2013 10: 55
                Quote: Akim
                Are you going to toss her? Or dump in peak without a parachute?

                ..as Mr Fix said, use what is at hand and do not look for another .... laughing all weapons are good for freeing 20% ​​of the country ...
                by the way, about 23 mm ... for example, the ZU-23. worked perfectly for ground targets ..... in my battalion a kid from the zushka in May 1994 alone did not allow the advancing chains of Armenians to advance for 3 days ..... hi
                1. Akim
                  +1
                  20 September 2013 11: 04
                  Quote: smersh70
                  ..as Mr. Fix said, use what is at hand and do not look for another ...

                  It turns out an army of contrasts. Buy modern weapons, but also design strange homemade products. Zushka is good as zushka. Aircraft guns on the chassis - a decorative solution. Small barrel length, electric capsule, etc.
                  1. smersh70
                    +5
                    20 September 2013 12: 14
                    Quote: Akim
                    but also design weird home-made

                    ..the way the defense is inscrutable, my friend fellow probably dare. they will still be tested on the front line ... the conclusions will be .. then already in production ..... and so, the more shells fall on the enemy’s head, the better)))))))
                    and judging the developers, you don’t really need to ... because MOS was created only 4 years ago .... we don’t have the same development experience as Izhmash or Kurganzavod ... Germans did it too. 30s .... and then from under the pen came out super .images of weapons ......
                    1. Akim
                      +2
                      20 September 2013 13: 11
                      Quote: smersh70
                      we don’t have such development experience as Izhmash or Kurganzavod ...

                      You have a much stronger factor - this is the combat experience in operating equipment.
          3. Yarbay
            +5
            20 September 2013 11: 57
            Quote: Akim
            This thing has an air gun on the tower. What for?

            It also seems to me that this is an unsuccessful to say the least!
        2. smersh70
          +3
          20 September 2013 10: 16
          Quote: Flood
          So on the bottom photo there is "Gyurza"?

          ... no .. it's not that ..... it's based on Toyota Hilax ....
        3. +3
          20 September 2013 10: 17
          Quote: Flood
          So on the bottom photo there is "Gyurza"?
          Which is made in turn on the basis of the BRDM-2?


          quite rightly, but differs from the BRDM in both its external design and its armaments. A sufficiently toothy modernization was developed in Azerbaijan, the armament consists of the GSh-23L twin airgun with an 3000-4000 rate of fire / min.

          In addition, an automatic grenade launcher and launchers, probably for unguided missiles, are installed on the tower. There is also a thermal imaging sight and a panoramic television sight.

          The new machine differs from foreign analogues of this class with high protection against mines, explosions and bullets. Double armor of the machine does not miss even armor-piercing bullets like B-32.

          This machine is equipped with an 23 mm caliber gun, coaxial 7,62 mm machine gun, an AQ-17 grenade launcher, one 12,7 mm machine gun, night vision systems. In front, on the sides, behind and on top, the machine is equipped with cameras providing visibility. Information from these cameras is reflected on monitors placed in front of the driver and commander.
          The combat reconnaissance vehicle has a total weight of 8152 kg and a turbodiesel engine with 155 horsepower. It is also equipped with a combined hydropneumatic transmission and 5-speed remote gearbox. The armored vehicle has a continuously working stand-alone air conditioner at 64 m3 / s.

          http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/242087.html
          1. +1
            20 September 2013 10: 32
            Quote: smersh70
            ... no .. it's not that ..... it's based on Toyota Hilax ....

            Quote: Apollon
            quite right, but differs from the BRDM in external design, as well as in armament

            You completely confused me.
            Is the modernization of the BRDM-2 called Gyurza?
            Or Gyurza is done on the basis of Toyota?
            Quote: Apollon
            The combat reconnaissance vehicle has a total weight of 8152 kg and a 155 horsepower turbodiesel engine.

            155 horses are not enough, considering additional. reservation and armament?
            Almost the same was on the Soviet version.
            In Eastern European versions, they raise power for 200 hp.
            Especially the mountains ...
            1. smersh70
              +2
              20 September 2013 10: 57
              Quote: Flood
              Or Gyurza is done on the basis of Toyota?

              ..Gyurza and Babir is done on the basis of Toyota .. put the photo from the bottom ....
              Quote: Flood
              Modernization BRDM-2

              and this is a local modernization, the one that Apollo put
          2. +1
            20 September 2013 10: 44
            Quote: Apollon
            The armored vehicle has a continuously working autonomous air conditioner at 64 cubic meters per second.

            Yes there is air conditioning.
            Admire what the craftsmen do.
            True, most of the functions of the combat vehicle are thus irretrievably lost))
            1. smersh70
              +3
              20 September 2013 13: 42
              Quote: Flood
              Admire

              . well and these are our crown samples ..... already mass-produced .....
          3. +1
            20 September 2013 10: 44
            And also from there
        4. smersh70
          +3
          20 September 2013 10: 33
          ..this is the video of Gyurza ....
        5. Yarbay
          +4
          20 September 2013 11: 57
          Quote: Flood
          So on the bottom photo there is "Gyurza"?
          Which is made in turn on the basis of the BRDM-2?

          No it's not gyurza. It's a new car, another!
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    2. +4
      20 September 2013 09: 28
      I look at you the priority of wheeled vehicles as I understand geography and the weather allows year-round and ubiquitous use of wheels? you didn’t have any mountains (Karabakh) I don’t know in our mountains except in summer you will not pass.
      1. smersh70
        +7
        20 September 2013 10: 20
        Quote: Semurg
        you didn’t have any mountains (Karabakh) I don’t know in our mountains except in summer you will not pass.


        ... the heights start from 800 meters. and the largest mountains are the Murovsky pass ... where the heights are from 1500 to 4200 ..... steep bends .. descents ... and stones .. stones once again stones ... .plus to heights of 2500 woodland .... voobshem-hanger laughing
        1. +3
          20 September 2013 19: 00
          Yes, there’s not much good. I’ll remember how mountain preparation I tremble as you write a hanger.
  3. 0
    20 September 2013 07: 33
    It is a pity it is not said who will produce the chassis
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 09: 04
      Why let out ... armored personnel carriers in the post-Soviet space, well, they just messed up. Take it, don't be lazy, fight.
    2. smersh70
      +4
      20 September 2013 10: 23
      Quote: Denis
      It is a pity it is not said who will produce the chassis

      .... they don’t let out the chassis .. everything is based on the old BRDM ... and armored personnel carriers .... right now the Ministry of Defense Industry is developing very much ..... in which they invest a lot of money .. that's their products ...
  4. Akim
    +5
    20 September 2013 09: 10
    23 mm machine gun is called 2A13. In general, a module as a module. Nothing outstanding. Here the whole question of competitiveness will be in price.
  5. 0
    20 September 2013 10: 06
    I’ll throw off an article like our Research Institute named after Down-Marazmov by a lorry or a student who integrated the GLONASS-GPS system integrated into the GLONASS system, the shimshek module or the terminator-cyborg ala super nano techno best super ice module !!! and then a bunch of idiots will start drooling and pouring into the chat how cool it is to join the troops, let us wish them success, well done negative !!
  6. smersh70
    +4
    20 September 2013 10: 27
    a.vot BABIR ....
    Having studied the trends in the development of local conflicts and the experience of using pickups, Azerbaijan chose the option of militarizing a pickup based on the same Toyota. Having made the necessary changes in the design for use as a patrol car. During the development of "Gyurza" the experience of the French company ACMAT with its ALTV car (the abbreviation in French is the light tactical vehicle ACMAT) was also used. Even outwardly, the similarity of these machines is noticeable.
    In fact, Baku took the technical solution of the French as a basis and improved it. The result was a successful Gyurza special-purpose patrol vehicle.
    The base was Toyota HILPYX-12 with a 4x4 wheel arrangement, with all-wheel drive and the ability to carry up to 2500 kg of cargo. In the upper part of the machine there is 1 machine gun of 12.7 mm caliber, capable of hitting targets by rotating 360 degrees horizontally, the maximum angle of vertical guidance is 45 degrees. On the sides there are 2 machine guns of 7.62 mm caliber with large ammunition.
    The vehicle can also be equipped with an automatic grenade launcher and other types of weapons, including the Skif anti-tank systems. The Gyurza is driven by a 214 horsepower engine. The crew of the vehicle is 5 people, including the driver and commander.
    In turn, military expert U. Jafarov recalled that earlier experts recommended Azerbaijan to strengthen measures to protect personnel and think about how this technique will be used in difficult-to-pass areas. In response, the Azerbaijani side announced that certain work would be carried out on these issues. According to the expert, Gyurza has certain drawbacks. "In addition, the persons who appreciated this technique indicated that during the shelling, the personnel who will be on board will become a target for the enemy. Our specialists must work on this issue thoroughly in order to protect the military in the first place. If the vehicle is fired upon. from a grenade launcher or blown up by a mine, then there will be losses. Usually, when acquiring such equipment, they pay attention to such important points as the protection of personnel. If these issues, so to speak, are "lame", then countries wishing to acquire such equipment are trying stay away from this type of weapon ", - U. Jafarov explained.
    At the same time, the military expert noted that "Gyurza" is a promising technique. "This is a new technique and some improvement is required. As far as I know, specialists from the Ministry of Defense Industry promised to work on the shortcomings that were noticed at the last May exhibition in Turkey. This car is more suitable for special forces. But it still does not fully meet the requirements." , - concluded U. Jafarov.
  7. smersh70
    +2
    20 September 2013 10: 30
    here's another topic -------
    New industrial production sites for assembling weapons and ammunition created in Azerbaijan
    Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev attended the opening of new production sites at the Araz plant of the Üfüq Production Association of the Ministry of Defense Industry in the city of Shirvan.
    APA reports that the president first participated in the opening of the Ammunition Disposal Center, and then in the opening of the Ammunition Initiative Center. The President was informed that the company has installed special equipment for filling mines with 60, 82, 120 mm explosives. During familiarization with the production process, the head of state was informed that the Center is designed for production capacity for filling and assembling in a single-shift mode 20 thousand pieces of shells of caliber 60 mm, 40 thousand - 82 mm and 40 thousand - 120 mm. A capsule manufacturing site at the Araz plant is provided for the manufacture of various types of igniter capsules. During the year, the Center plans to produce 40 million units of capsules in single-shift operation.
  8. smersh70
    +3
    20 September 2013 10: 38
    A test sample based on MT-LB ... similar .. to German anti-aircraft guns))))))
  9. smersh70
    +4
    20 September 2013 10: 40
    ... here's another module ---- the truth is where the powder gases will go ... angry
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 10: 52
      Quote: smersh70
      here's another module ---- the truth is where the powder gases will go ...

      Surely a pull through the stern to accelerate the car
      1. smersh70
        +3
        20 September 2013 11: 16
        Quote: Flood
        Surely a pull through the stern to accelerate the car


        this kid will already be finished ... good
  10. smersh70
    +2
    20 September 2013 13: 45


    shown in more detail .......