First An-148 for the Ministry of Defense of Russia

September 12 The first flight of the An-2013-148 head-plane, built by Voronezh Aircraft Company (VASO, part of JSC UAC) for the Russian Ministry of Defense, took place in Voronezh. This board (serial number 100-42, registration number 05) was the first under the contract for the supply of 61718 aircraft An-15-148.

The contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the supply of X-NUMX An-15 aircraft during 148-2013 was signed by the KLA in May of the 2017 year. The total amount of the contract is 2013 billion rubles. Under the terms of the contract, the military department must receive one aircraft in 18, in 2013 and 2014 - four each, and in 2015 and 2016 - three An-2017. At the same time, the contract assumes the possibility of early delivery, which is what VASO plans to use, having delivered the first two aircraft to the Ministry of Defense in 148.

The September take-off 12 aircraft with a serial number 42-05 is built in the standard passenger configuration on 75 seats. He became the 19-m plane An-148 built by VASO, and the fourth aircraft of this type, raised into the air in Voronezh in the 2013 year.

The first An-148-100 aircraft (serial number 42-05, registration number 61718), built by Voronezh Aircraft Company (VASO) for the Ministry of Defense of Russia. Voronezh, 14.09.2013 (c) Alexey Filatov / spotters.net.ua

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[waisson]

Congratulations to the Ministry of Defense; now a fishing trip from Moscow to Kamchatka will be more comfortable

[SHILO]

waisson

Congratulations to the Ministry of Defense; now a fishing trip from Moscow to Kamchatka will be more comfortable

You forgot the Ka-52 and Mi-28 delivered to the Air Force for more comfortable hunting for deer, wolves, bears, etc.
Particularly pleased with the 30 mm guns, which are very practical for hunting, and the presence of rocket weapons (you can directly hunt herds !!!).
I would also like to know your opinion on the use of "Boreev" for fishing in the ocean!

[donavi49]

Not boreas for fishing is not it, Pike-B and Ash are just right. But Borey is already smelling poaching

[NAV-STAR]

I hope the time is not far off when all the rulers of the present parts of the once united state will be dealt in deeds in history textbooks. Only after this is it possible to reunite, as a single people, and cooperative ties.

[avt]

148mu was more fortunate than 70mu - they managed to launch into production, albeit a competitor to the sujet. But the transport with the ramp will probably not be allowed to start, we will wait for Ilyushinsky.

[Apollo]

quote - September 12, 2013 in Voronezh, the first flight of the An-148-100 lead aircraft, built by JSC Voronezh Aircraft Building Company (VASO, part of JSC UAC), took place for the Russian Ministry of Defense.


This is a basic model, but the plane for the Ministry of Defense probably has a secret filling, plus protection and interference.

[vladimirZ]

This is our AN-148 aircraft, for our not very well-groomed regional airfields. Where is there a Superjet made for cutting dough and window dress and unsuitable for Russian airports, due to the low location of the engines (only 4o centimeters from the surface). A vacuum cleaner to collect stones and dirt from GDP and taxiways, not an airplane.
Replacing the already few: the old AN-24 and TU-134 on regional lines has long been overripe. In the regions, there is already nothing to fly and carry passengers. What is called "got to the handle".
The AN-148 passenger plane needs not dozens - hundreds of cars for Russia, and not in 2015-2020, but now !!!

[Wedmak]

Wet strip for superjet. As you can see, it does not fill and collect nothing.
This aircraft is capable of landing on almost any airdrome - it’s not the IL-96. Avionics - collected all the best from world practice.
But, in general, this is a joint project, no matter how they shout that it is Russian. It is a pity the truth is that he is being promoted on a large scale, forgetting his own beautiful projects.

Replacing the already few: the old AN-24 and TU-134 on regional lines has long been overripe. In the regions, there is already nothing to fly and carry passengers. What is called "got to the handle".

I agree with this completely.

[vladimirZ]

And let the Superjet be directed to unpaved or even concrete airfields of regional and regional centers of Siberia, some of which "can only be reached by plane."
Then we’ll see what becomes of this vaunted plane with you. A minimum 100% guarantee of engine failure during the first landing, and even more than one crew will not take risks from them.
For example, in the army, before each flight, a company of BAO soldiers is sent to the concrete GDP to clean small stones and bits of bitumen to prevent the potential threat of stones falling into the engine of the aircraft, and there are no free soldiers from civilians who are there with BAO.

[guran]

Listen, what are you talking about? Is a superjet designed for unpaved regional airfields? Regional aviation are completely different models.

[vladimirZ]

guran  Today, 13:54 ↑

Listen, what are you talking about? Is a superjet designed for unpaved regional airfields? Regional aviation are completely different models.

And why was the Superjet created, when we have the biggest problem in the absence of regional aircraft? Do not fly abroad on international lines.

[guran]

As a regional plane, it is normal. Problems are being solved. We have no regional unpaved airfields, as we have already said. And for flights to the hinterland of the region there should be other planes, such as "bombardier", An-28, AN-2, "Dornier 228", but even there are concrete VVPs.

[vladimirZ]

Judging by the nickname "guran", you are from the Trans-Baikal region, should, at least by hearsay, know the situation in Siberia by the "concrete GDP" in the regional centers. A few, and those of the state is regrettable, after more than 20 years of neglect in civil aviation.

[slacker]

Dear, stop clicking. You yourself understand that you are talking nonsense, but nevertheless you continue to utter nonsense.
Calm down, critically read your written pearls and do not try to look more stupid than you really are.

[vladimirZ]

What kind of fuss are you talking about when it comes to using an aircraft unsuitable for Russian conditions in your performance characteristics, killing the Russian civilian aircraft industry, and ultimately representing a potential threat to flight safety and people's lives.
As an aviation engineer, I consider it my duty to express my negative opinion about this Superjet aircraft for Russia.
And I don’t see any nonsense in this. I see a conscious lobbying of interests alien to Russia and Ukraine, aimed at the final destruction of the domestic civil aircraft industry.

[guran]

I don’t know about the situation in Siberia, but I can say about the situation in the regional centers of the lower Amur. v. Bogorodskoye - concrete, p. them. Polina Osipenko is a concrete. Look at the map where they are. And is the Superjet designed for flights to the regional centers of Siberia and the Far East?
What does desolation mean? If an airfield is built, it is not so easy to get rid of it. Concrete is very resistant to all kinds of "desolation".
In the village of De-Kastri on the coast of the Tatar Strait, the streets are paved with concrete slabs of the still Soviet PMK of 197 shaggy year. And all is normal. Concrete is not asphalt, which waves in a year or two.

[vladimirZ]

"If an airfield is built, it is not so easy to knock it down. Concrete is very resistant to all kinds ..." guran  Today, 14:12 ↑

You are mistaken. Very easy to run.
For example, a well-known case of an emergency landing in Izhma on September 7, 2010 with a Tu-154M aircraft.
The crew, in view of the complete loss of power supply on board, made an emergency landing of the aircraft visually, at the former Izhma airport, at the GDP that was already unsuitable for aircraft, without light-signaling equipment and radio transmissions. The airfield was closed for receiving aircraft in 2003. Only 7 years without exploitation and GDP is unsuitable. The result - the plane is seriously damaged, it took a long and expensive repair. Thank God people have not suffered.
And there are hundreds of such airfields in Russia where flights have been stopped, due to the lack of aircraft.
By the way, for information, concrete is not eternal, it has a certain number of freezing and thawing cycles and, in harsh climatic conditions of Russia, without proper supervision comes into a state that does not excite its use as GDP for aircraft.

[guran]

I am talking about those airfields in the district centers that operate.
I cannot answer for the whole country, and you, I think, too. You do not personally inspect the entire territory of the Russian Federation, you assess the situation according to the articles on the Internet.
I don’t know how many of these airdromes are there, I only know that those who are involved are acting. And rebuilding an airfield is always easier than rebuilding. There would be a task.
But this is not about that. Are you up to date with the discussion? And here is a superjet?

[vladimirZ]

In the course of the discussion. The fact is that it was the Superjet that "blocked" the AN-148 road.

[tegezen]

And that the AN-148 at least once sat on a dirt airfield? In general, where are these unpaved airfields.

[Bort radist]

Quote: vladimirZ

For example, in the army, before each flight, a company of BAO soldiers is sent to the concrete GDP to clean small stones and bits of bitumen to prevent the potential threat of stones falling into the engine of the aircraft, and there are no free soldiers from civilians who are there with BAO.

In the 70s, "vacuum cleaners" drove and the unit with the turbine drove ice, snow and pebbles. Now with pens !? It's hard to believe that it's so bad everywhere.

[vladimirZ]

In the 70s, they drove the soldiers through the GDP before flights, after the "wind blower" as we called the unit you are talking about.
I don’t know where you served, but we had such a practice, and in subsequent years, the same practice.
It’s more expensive to ditch the engine because of a pebble, not only that the authorities simply ruin the top for it, it’s also the incapacitation of the aircraft’s combat readiness for a certain number of days, and this is a loss of air raids, salaries from pilots, and who needs extra work in TECHI .
It’s better for a guarantee, to drive the soldiers in taxiing and GDP, to collect stones.

[Bort radist]

Quote: vladimirZ

It’s in the 70s that the soldiers were driven away by GDP before flights,

We had enough wind blowers (AN-12, IL-76) for the "squat" ones, maybe they were playing, but I heard about some kind of vacuum cleaner.

[vladimirZ]

About the vacuum cleaner did not hear. And we had a MIG-21, SU-17. About 1.5 meters to the air intakes.
Nevertheless, in spite of the measures taken, nicks on the blades of the engine compressor sometimes appeared.

[Bort radist]

Sometimes we had MiG-17, MiG-19 take off, we had a fair amount of them at the airport, the desk made them something radio-controlled. Sometimes some were lifted into the air without any tidy, but the concrete was cool on GDP But somewhere I saw a vacuum cleaner, most likely in Ukraine, two MiG - 27Ks were shown to the generals first (?), Then they probably vacuumed them. I stood a hundred meters from the strip. They took off and with a folded wing passed over a strip of 20 meters

[vladimirZ]

By the way, in addition - in modern airplanes, for example, the SU-30, produced nets are installed in the air intakes to prevent "foreign objects" from entering the engines during takeoff and landing modes and during taxiing. During flight mode, the protective mesh folds down and completely opens the air intake.

[77bor1973]

It’s necessary not to promote but simply, stupidly build!

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

Avionics - collected all the best from world practice.
But, in general, this is a joint project,

Hi Denis! You are right, +! It is ASSEMBLED, and not produced by us.

Well, about the "joint" you are the same in vain ..... it's like a screwdriver assembly of a foreign car (It seems to be like a BMW, but assembled in Kaliningrad).

Almost all of the main aircraft systems are either fully created and delivered from abroad, or made with the small participation of Russian enterprises:
1.Digital aircraft remote control system supplies Liebherr Aerospace.
2. The entire complex of avionics is integrated and supplied by the company Thales.
She is also a developer and supplier of flight simulators for training flight personnel.
3. Equipment and the interior of the passenger compartment - B / E Aerospase.
4. Auxiliary power unit - Honeywell
5.Hydrosystem - Parker
6. Chassis - Messier-Dowty.
7.Brakes - Goodrich.
8. Electrical system - Artus, SAFT and Leach International.
And so on and so forth, including marching engines

[Wedmak]

Well, yes, they did. I just read an article about him recently, so to speak, "debunking the myths." In general, as a result, a picture was drawn: from all over the world, a little bit, everything is like the best there is, even an alleged miscalculation of low-lying engines Boeing shared with us (I don't even know whether to believe!) And so on and so forth ... And why So? But because this plane was oriented towards ... the foreign market !!! And in order to pass the airworthiness qualification faster and without smut and collected from the world on a string.
The impressions are twofold: they seemed to want to make money quickly, you can understand, but it seems like they put a bolt on their aircraft industry.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

Boeing shared with us (I don’t even know whether to believe!) And so on and so forth ... Why so?

In order:
1. Boeing shared not only that. what are you writing about, but practically with the whole glider!
2. Why so? Look, how many Bobiks were acquired only by Aeroflot?

Quote: Wedmak

But because this plane was oriented to .. the foreign market !!!

Unsuccessful "excuse" of the SCAC, and what remains after all, by and large we are developing the "foreign aviation industry", they for themselves reduce the cost of production at cost price and earn money on this
An example of "motors" .. how many of ours remains .. correct only 17% of the profit for the sale of one SAM.

And we also import Bombardier and Embraers ... I hope you yourself understand that Super-duper did not stand with them and even lags behind the old A-319th in terms of manufacturability like the An-2 from Buran

Quote: Wedmak

The impressions are twofold: they seemed to want to make money quickly, you can understand, but it seems like they put a bolt on their aircraft industry.

The impression is absolutely correct, just correct:
1. THEY and "earned" after all, "earnings" are precisely sawn during "development", and not during operation
And how can a "comerce" earn if the plane flies on average 3 hours a month, and Bobby and Buses are at least 11-14 hours (not to mention passenger capacity and range)
Pius any form of maintenance on them is carried out on the spot in ATB, and for super-duper ... only at the factory.
Well, the training and retraining of the technical staff for super-duper and about the moments of preparation for the flight ... I will not at all, because. can .. be upset.
That is why everything connected with Super-Duper is strictly controlled (according to information) and unwanted ones are "punished"

[Wedmak]

Clear. There is only one conclusion from this - after all, it is not worth inviting managers (the word is some kind of nasty) and businessmen to leading positions in knowledge-intensive industries. Not only will they start to work "effectively", they will also destroy many neighboring industries.
Let a person who is knowledgeable in his field, a techie, an engineer (like Korolev, Glushko, Tupolev, Myasischev, etc.) once stood better, and the managers will be deputies - all the same, someone needs someone to teach products commercially. The techie will not be able to cope with this, but you can not worry about the technology.

[aviator65]

Previously, the Ministry of Foreign Trade and the Ministry of Aviation Industry existed for this, while by creation new technology in accordance with specific tasks. Therefore, the fleet was updated, and production was loaded. At the same time, we stably kept a certain segment of the market. Everyone must do their job. It is impossible to approach aviation as consumer goods, even high-tech ones.

[phantom359]

Not very flattering statements. For 20 years, they have been building up potential. The comrade served in Boryspil buses and bobiks. not enthusiastic, our TU and Yaki are better, in his opinion. He works as a teacher in an aviation school, in the port he worked part-time. He learned, just in case, also the embraer.

[aviator65]

Speak the truth! It would be possible, I would put 5 "+".

[user]

You know, when in the late 80s and early 90s something = iron was made for computers in China, then everyone wrinkled and spat, now 90% of everything was done in China and everyone is happy. Even when the United States wanted to return the production of iPhones to the United States, it turned out that it was technically impossible

[aviator65]

Quote: user

it turned out to be technically impossible

I dare to suggest that it is not a matter of technical capabilities, but of economic benefit. Estimate the cost of the American iPhone collected in America by the Americans.

[evil hamster]

It’s awesome to listen. Especially considering the practice of exploitation, that Surzh is that An 148 from the same airfields. Neither one is a replacement for the 24 and close.

Quote: vladimirZ

due to the low location of engines (only 4o centimeters from the surface)

58,4 cm oga, "I have not read but I condemn" p. ...

[vladimirZ]

evil hamster (1)  Today, 12:33 ↑ New

It’s awesome to listen.

You are literate, do not take the data of an empty Superjet aircraft. It is also necessary to take into account the full fuel as well as passenger load. And then it turns out a little more than 40cm. And if we take into account the operational characteristics, for example, the minimum pressure in the racks. Here it runs.

[evil hamster]

Quote: vladimirZ

Then it turns out A bit more 40sm

Aha 46 cm with max take-off and extreme front centering. Well, yes, the minimum in the racks, deflated pneumatics, pits on the runway ... and as soon as the whole world flies on low planes? I don’t understand, they probably have a very strong sorcery applied? Well, it’s understandable that the runway in the normal state to maintain is not our method, to make planes for take-off landing from the garden - this is our way. And then to complain about these hucksters from AK to the line for BushBobiks 737my and Watermelons 320, but they don’t come to us, who are so good, strange?

[vladimirZ]

So you already agree to 46 cm under ideal conditions.
And as for the quality of our airfields, what can you do? This is an objective reality that Russia will not correct in the coming decades due to its economic condition, climatic and geographical location.
It’s easier to choose an airplane for our conditions, it is economically more profitable.
And the rest, emotions that are not relevant to the topic of discussion.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: vladimirZ

Russia in the coming decades will not correct due to its economic condition, climatic and geographical position.

Or maybe it's not about these provisions?

[evil hamster]

Quote: vladimirZ

So you already agree to 46 cm under ideal conditions.

Nope, these are not ideal conditions - this is the maximum take-off weight, extreme alignment - the extreme conditions for normal operation. In fact, it operates rarely with the maximum take-off, and if it flies far between large airports - with an SUDDENLY good runway. After all, it’s very strange that in large airports with large passenger traffic, good lanes are they? By the way, why is it interesting for SSJ to have no problems with engines following actual operation? And he flies in the same place as An148, don't you find it strange?

Quote: vladimirZ

And as for the quality of our airfields, what can you do? This is an objective reality that Russia will not correct in the coming decades due to its economic condition, climatic and geographical location.

Respected of this objective reality, mostly imported boards suddenly fly and don’t buzz for the most part, probably mystic? Or maybe the fact is that you should not demand from the CSJ and An148 that for which they are not intended?

[guran]

Something healthy he, AN-148, with 75 seats, and looks like a hundred and a half. And how good is it as a VT aircraft for the Air Force?

[avt]

Quote: guran

And how good is it as a VT aircraft for the Air Force?

It’s not a VT, it’s a passenger airplane, it’s quite a necessary airplane for traveling Tu134 and partially Tu154, though here the An158 is more likely to be comparable, and the VT is An178, but it’s not yet in metal.

[guran]

yeah, got it. thank

[Akim]

Quote: avt

148mu was more fortunate than 70mu - they managed to launch into production

An-148 is an independent development of Antonovites, and An-70 is a joint project. On this at the last and politicians are acting out.

[avt]

Quote: Akim

An-148 is an independent development of Antonovites, and An-70 is a joint project. On this at the last and politicians are acting out.

No. I managed to get a serial plant in Russia under the airplane, and for the Moscow Region, as a passenger, the best option is the heredity is good from the An-72, it was not possible to drown as the Tu334. The plane was in demand, but its continuation - 158 and 178 seems to repeat the fate of the 70th .

[Akim]

Quote: avt

. Under the airplane serial plant managed to get in Russia

The fact that the plant in Russia and many components of Russian production is understandable, but the final development is Ukrainian. With regards to the An-158, Cuba is now buying it and have signed a contract with Iran. And the An-178 has not yet taken off. It's too early to bury a small one in the womb.

[avt]

Quote: Akim

but the final development is Ukrainian.

I'm not talking about this. The plane is in demand and, poorly, poorly at the serial plant, the main buyer, Russia, is also making a series. But 158 ​​is generally a direct competitor to the suppget, and I strongly doubt that Poghosyan will let him go. Again, the Russian Air Force needs the 178 as a BT and the long-suffering 70th, but the decision to the campaign was made and will be made on the 214th, I think longer than it would be possible with the An178, and even on the same VASO where 148 are made. Units can get into other markets, well maybe Iran will connect, but again the question. What to do with Western sanctions? Think you will be allowed to establish production there? Here, remembering the epic An70, which the Germans wanted to produce as A-7X, but as a result, the busmen brought their hands behind their backs, as you can’t believe in the rainbow of prospects.

[Akim]

I finally understood. You are about the Russian market. But only in Russia the light did not converge. As for the An-70, this is a purely political decision, as I wrote earlier. Although they want to purchase it in South Africa, China, Brazil.
As for the An-178. He wants to buy Pakistan and Turkey., Also, along with the An-148MP (marine patrol). Indeed, a military transport aircraft cannot be sold to Iran.
The meaning of self-development is that it can be pushed to foreign markets without asking for a project partner, because there is none.
It can be run in series if there are buyers.

[avt]

Quote: Akim

Although they want to purchase it in South Africa, China, Brazil.

I don’t know about South Africa and I won’t say anything. He was taken to China, exactly after the Europeans refused him, back in the nineties, but it didn’t go. As I already wrote, the Antonovs somehow vaguely commented that they said the plane was difficult for the Chinese. they really wanted to heat there, as always - copy and goodbye, and I doubt that something has changed in their politics. Brazilians, I think, are only interested in technology. They are on the rise in aircraft manufacturing, the fact of an attempt to sell them Su fighters is indicative, they demanded on-line purchases of their civilians. It's not so simple with them. It's a pity the 70th, a beautiful and functional machine, I saw it even at the first MAXs - inspires.

[Akim]

At etmo Le Bourget, the 70th "tore" the 400th Busik, and Azarov was clearly told by the French: "We will do everything to prevent such a dangerous competitor from entering the foreign market."

[avt]

Quote: Akim

The French clearly said to Azarov: "They say we will do everything to prevent such a dangerous competitor from entering the foreign market."

Well, what am I talking about? Even Tony’s friend Tony brings in a bus number 400, which they still haven’t brought and will not bring under their own TK.

[Akim]

Shamanov said that the Airborne Forces needed such an aircraft as air, the Ministry of Emergencies also want it, but Rogozin with "two classes of teacher education" makes political statements about the futility of the project. My opinion is that when the association agreement is signed, everything will be settled and the plane will finally go into production.

[Jake danzels]

Well, yes, what else will take off waters like that, from a patch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iJkacJMUPs

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Akim

At etmo Le Bourget, the 70th "tore" the 400th Busik, and Azarov was clearly told by the French: "We will do everything to prevent such a dangerous competitor from entering the foreign market."

An-70 is an excellent machine, but at the expense of Rogozin, before MAXA hesitated and after doubts there is no philosopher.

[Koronik]

Good luck! Started, good luck!

[smiths xnumx]

On April 25.04.2013, 140, the Samara Aviakor Aviation Plant OJSC announced that it had signed a new contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the construction of three more An-100-140 turboprop aircraft for the Naval Aviation of the Navy. The aircraft will be manufactured in a standard cargo and passenger version. Aviakor plans to manufacture and transfer them to the customer within a year. The total number of An-100-14 aircraft contracted by the military department on Aviakor is 4, including 2009 for naval aviation. The first aircraft of this type was built at Aviakor for the Ministry of Defense under a December 23 contract and was handed over to the Air Force on December 2011, 24.04.2011. On April 140, 100, the Ministry of Defense issued a contract for the production of nine more An-2-2011 aircraft for the Air Force, according to which 17.04.2013 aircraft have been built to date. Another aircraft was built under a separate contract with the Navy, concluded by the enterprise in December XNUMX, and finally delivered to the customer on April XNUMX, XNUMX.

[No_more]

Oh, and when I left A-140-100, they kind of refused, because nobody needs. I have a question, why do Navy planes

Quote: smiths xnumx

in the standard cargo and passenger version.

[rsv75]

command to the resort to carry.

[smiths xnumx]

Tu-204/214 completed or is under construction 82 (taken from the last PMZ corporate magazine, you can count on Russianplanes), IL-96, including cargo - 28. There are firm government orders for no more than 204 cars on the Tu-214/10, on IL -96 - on 2 EMNIP. Unfortunately, the order for Tu-204SM from VIM-Avia is hardly hard to call so far. An-148/158 was built 24 or 25 and there are firm orders in the same sense as for the SSZ at 23-25 ​​(2 for the Angara, two more for some kind of growing airline company, 1 SLO, 15 MO, 3 more for Cuba and 1 for the DPRK). So it turns out that IL-96 / Tu-204/214 / An-148/158 is done + firm orders for about 170 vehicles. But the IL-96/204 is made from the beginning of the 90s! So, in any case, the Superjet is our most serial passenger jet aircraft since the time of IL-86 (which we did a little over 100), and even the Tu-134 and Tu-154

[Vitaly Anisimov]

a beautiful plane and multi-functional will be ..! (But these are legendary planes) would be more!

[denson06]

Antonovtsev have successful aircraft .. I personally really like it .. and look reliable and modern ..
Good design, versatile in application ..
Good luck with your take-offs and landings, number 42-05!

[Algor73]

The plane is successful, the plane is needed, but for some reason they are released in single units. I understand that relations between our countries are strained, that Russia is worried about Ukrainian rapprochement with the EU, that it is trying to protect its markets (official version). But is it not the same to buy European and American planes? Especially since ANs are planned to be released in Russia? I also understand that this is not only Putin’s decision that someone on a silver platter provides him information in an unfavorable light. As a result, we are all the losers. But who will be responsible for all this (both in Ukraine and in Russia) and will it be responsible?

[donavi49]

Well, let's say Bombardier will also be produced in Russia. Moreover, the conditions for us are better and the percentage of deductions for each side is less. But then the criminal regime destroys its aircraft industry, and here it is necessary to build ANs.

Once again AN costs a little less than 40 million dollars from the bottom. 19 млн goes to Kiev.

[Akim]

Quote: donavi49

Once again, AN costs a little less than $ 40 million.

Actually, a little less than 30 (and this is the price of the An-158).

[donavi49]

18 / 15 = 1,2 billion for 1 piece = 37 million dollars.

The contract and cost are written.

[Akim]

Quote: donavi49

18 / 15 = 1,2 billion for 1 piece = 37 million dollars.

There are a bunch of videos in Ukrainian and Russian about the transfer of the first An-158 to Cuba. There, the price of one unit is announced.

[evil hamster]

Is it a secret for you that the price may be different for different customers?

[Akim]

Quote: evil hamster

What price can be different for different customers?

Well, not in 10 lyam!

[evil hamster]

Yes Easy. An 148 is unprofitable for VASO, the contract with the Moscow Region is primarily to maintain the pants factory. Think about it.

[VAF]

Quote: evil hamster

An 148 is unprofitable for VASO, the contract with the Moscow Region is primarily to maintain the pants factory.

I totally agree +!

[stranik72]

That's just, there is no need to put a shadow on the fence, all contracts are concluded by the UAC, VASO receives "leftovers" from the "master's" table. As long as there is such a system of industry management, all factories will be unprofitable by definition. Everything that can be, or more precisely, who can be ripped off, the KLA rips off and directs funds to "Super Duper". This is how we work.

[VAF]

Quote: Akim

Well, not in 10 lyam!

Easy .. especially with us and looking for someone or .. for what

The catalog for the super-duper-37 lyam ... Meskan is given for ... 23

[katran666]

Why are they produced in single copies - maybe because there is no corny queue for it from commercial air campaigns? in general, this topic has already set the teeth on edge, and about "is it not the same thing to buy European and American planes," and about "A successful plane, a necessary plane." Who needs it? Antonov - yes, the Antonovites are doing their best to keep from the Russian budget trough. Ask yourself another question - WHY DO NOT THE UKRAINIAN CAMPAIGNS BUY 148th and 158th ???? They buy the same Bombardier and Arbasy. Why are you trying to hang all your problems on Russia?

[VAF]

Quote: katran666

WHY DO UKRAINIAN CAMPAIGNS DO NOT BUY the 148th and 158th ????

Do you think that the managers of the Ukrainian brothers "are made of a different dough" than ours?
And not at least something else to "bread and butter" ... more seriously

[No_more]

Well, bread with bread, and no kickbacks to buyers will help the aircraft become commercially more profitable. There is no such situation that our (Ukrainian / Russian) planes are good for everyone, but they are bought by foreign ones. I’ve worked at AVIACOR and without tears you won’t look at how each product is born. Production on crutches somehow collects an airplane from what allies have done (among which there are also enterprises of medium degree of decay), and then factory commissions fly to find out why something is not opening or not closing.
I want to draw attention to the fact that I do not invent anything, but personally attended 2010.
Unfortunately, we have a lot of production where it is lame and requires large investments and debugging processes, but for now the corresponding quality and time.

[stranik72]

If you are talking about the AN-140, then only partly, a big problem is the reliability of the engine, the Yamal company ran into this, the "helicopter" engine often fails, the MTBF figure was about 400 hours, for an airplane, this is very bad.

[Gur]

YES soft landings to our aircraft

[Wedmak]

Well, they can work together whenever they want! What is the problem with the An-70 then?

[donavi49]

50% deductions for beautiful eyes, glider kits and engines do not want. I mean, it's one thing to spend about 18 billionby ordering 15 planes and paying Ukrainians 8 billion. Another thing on the same conditions is to build a large series of AN-70.

[xmypp]

Quote: vladimirZ

Superjet made for cutting dough and window dress and unsuitable for Russian airports, due to the low location of engines (only 4o centimeters from the surface).

I completely agree with you, but there are exceptions. This year I flew to Donetsk on a Boeing 737–300, I prayed to all the Gods that he would fly, because he is only 7–10 years younger than me. I flew back with Aeroflot on a superjet, an order of magnitude calmer, even if it was a cut, etc.

[Akim]

Quote: Xmypp

I flew back with Aeroflot on a superjet, an order of magnitude calmer

They say it has already broken several times (fortunately, the damage is trifling). But this is only 4 months!

[VAF]

Quote: Akim

fortunately breakdowns are trifle)

On June 11 this year in Donetsk "Oma", the failure of the stabilizer control mechanism (on landing) nifiga myself ... trifling failures

[Akim]

Quote: vaf

failure of the stabilizer control mechanism (on landing) nifiga itself.

Wow, "calmed". I once flew the An-140 several times. Everything is good. And listen to someone's opinion, it turns out I was a suicide bomber.

[VAF]

Quote: Akim

And you listen to someone’s opinion, it turns out I was a suicide bomber.

Akim, dear, do not "worry" ... I have had a chance in life and "on my word of honor and on one wing" and as you can see .. nothing is alive, even I myself still move (Joke).
But seriously ... then I try to avoid the super-duper with all my strength and truth
But this is my opinion .. personal, but based, as they say now ... "on real events"

[Akim]

Quote: vaf

But seriously ... then I try to avoid the super-duper with all my strength and truth

If an emergency occurred at one of the best airports in Ukraine, I can imagine what restrictions would be on ordinary GDP.

[VAF]

Quote: Akim

I can imagine what restrictions would be on ordinary GDP.

Failure of landing control systems and control surfaces is not directly related to runway restrictions.

But in this case (in case of failure of the stabilizer permutation mechanism), it is desirable of course that the runway be like this ... 4-5 thousand ... no less.

But like in that commercial .... "It's fantastic."

Although ... we are now "lobbying" the project of using the runway for low-cost airlines in Zhukovsky

And to "crap" .. dear edition

[aviator65]

Quote: vaf

the project of using the runway in Zhukovsky for low-cost airlines is being "lobbied"

Yeah! At the same time, we will build Bykovo with commercial real estate Maybe even the whole LII to start leasing for offices with warehouses?

[Botanologist]

Quote: vaf

And to "crap" .. dear edition

Yes, we are all fucked up ...

[Botanologist]

VAF, knowing your decisive dislike of duper, and trusting you in aviation topics as a whole, I still think that let this duper rivet as much as they can.
Firstly, once you have invested, you need to dredge this mess to the bottom. Just for the future, as a warning to posterity.
Secondly, if nothing is done, even through one place, then we won’t come anywhere. Not always everything turns out well, what to do.
Thirdly, there is hope that the MS-21 will turn out all better than a duper. And we will go more confidently.
As for Antonov, they are unpredictable. Next Yushchenko will come tomorrow, or bargain with the EU - in general, we will remain with an outstretched hand with all the ANAs. I can’t believe that they just took and suspended the decisive advance of the Academy of Sciences in our troops. At Yusche, they also ate a suspension of engines for helicopters, not to mention more serious things. Julia will come to power tomorrow - for a long time we will convince her that we need spare parts.

[VAF]

Quote: Botanologist

that let this duper rivet as much as they can.

Greetings, dear! +! Something in the 2nd time you rarely "pamper # with your .." visits ".. or" extreme "business trips in good weather do not leave time?

And on the topic what can I say, now there is simply nothing left ... there is no turning back ... "Moscow is behind", remember the famous phrase?
But 319NEO will come and that's it .... super will be very problematic .. very much.
He wrote a lot about how "comers" consider profitability and according to these indicators ... a super-duper in such a ... ass .. that just ... I can't.

But no matter what they say for Antonov’s design bureau ... I’m only for it, first of all it’s all the same ANTONOVS who wouldn’t say anything ... all the planes are time-tested, well, my whole life passed near these cars ..... I I understand that Hercules is better than the An-12, but if they asked me. then I would choose .. An-12

I myself can wait, I can’t wait for the MS-21.

[Botanologist]

Quote: vaf

rarely "indulge # with your .." visits ".. or" extreme "business trips in good weather do not leave time?

Welcome
Two months in the election . Madhouse and even more fun. But they managed, the guys spent where they wanted.

Quote: vaf

I myself can wait, I can’t wait for the MS-21.

Here I am too

How are you? I look, the mood jumps in different ways, then you arrange everything with horseradish like a stockade, then it seems to be loyal

[silver_roman]

18 for 000 aircraft? but not a lot?
or will he have an interesting filling?
it's just 38 cu In fact, not a little money.
Although maybe I'm wrong!

[AlNikolaich]

Yesterday I saw UAP helicopter flights. He drew attention to a large number of K-226 machines. Previously, they flew on the MI2. Now K226 and MI-8, Mi17. New technology is coming, which cannot but rejoice! Clear skies to everyone, and more new cars!
PS This spring I saw in the area numerous flights of the KA-52. Now they probably fly the same way, they just have not been in that area for a long time. And in Balashov, cadets on ANs fly the same regularly ...

[Ev58]

The most important, in my opinion, is lost sight of some of the participants in the discussion of the topic: Superjet is not just an airplane that meets modern requirements for comfort, economy, environmental friendliness, etc., but also on-board equipment is based on the so-called. integrated modular aviation electronic equipment (IMA), which is functionally, constructively and parametrically compatible with foreign BO, made according to the basic documents:
- Qualification requirements of KT-178V. Requirements for software on-board equipment and systems for certification of aircraft;
- SAE ARP4761, "Guidelines and Methods for Conducting the Safety Assessment Process on Civil Airborne Systems and Equipment";
- RTCA / DO-178B Software considerations in airborne systems and equipment certification;
- RTCA DO-248 / EUROCAE ED-94, Final Report for Clarification of DO-178B "Software Considerations in Airborne Systems and Equipment Certification";
- ARINC 653, Avionics Application Software Standard Interface (Avionics Application Software Standard Interface);
- ARINC 615A, Software Loader Using Ethernet Interface (Loader software using the Ethernet interface);
- FAA TSO-C153, Integrated Modular Avionics Hardware Elements;
- RTCA DO-254 / EUROCAE ED-80, “Design Assurance Guidance for Airborne Electronic Hardware”, and many other NTDs.
So why compare the incomparable: our, domestic AN-, TU-, made on the domestic element base, according to domestic standards with aircraft samples, designed initially, as the type of aircraft made mainly according to foreign technical standards and harmonized with foreign technical standards? The share of domestic developments should have an undeniable priority in the state concept for the development of the aviation industry.

[VAF]

Quote: ev58

just an airplane that meets the modern requirements of comfort, economy, environmental friendliness, etc.

All this ... we skip ... as "PR advertising", although such a parameter as .. distance and duration .. would be very appropriate, because the stasis "pulls along" into the pit .. economy

Quote: ev58

airborne equipment is based on the so-called integrated modular aviation electronic equipment (IMA), which is functionally, constructively and parametrically compatible with foreign BO, made according to the basic documents:

Could you "announce" the list of avionics and JSC "domestic bottling" installed on the Super-Puper ???

I will be grateful

[D_L]

Great car.

[nazgul-ishe]

Explain why you need this plane? As someone above said, for fishing, then he’ll go. Why does the army need him?

[EGORKA]

Quote: nazgul-ishe

Explain why you need this plane? As someone above said, for fishing, then he’ll go. Why does the army need him?

Someone wrote that in this way the manufacturer supports the plant.

[Zubr]

Quote: SHILO

waisson

Congratulations to the Ministry of Defense; now a fishing trip from Moscow to Kamchatka will be more comfortable

You forgot the Ka-52 and Mi-28 delivered to the Air Force for more comfortable hunting for deer, wolves, bears, etc.
Particularly pleased with the 30 mm guns, which are very practical for hunting, and the presence of rocket weapons (you can directly hunt herds !!!).
I would also like to know your opinion on the use of "Boreev" for fishing in the ocean!

Ah GUESS ....

[nazgul-ishe]

How is a WHA? So after all, the president dissects the German, but for the soul 21.