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The first two "strongholds" for Thailand have been successful running and fire tests

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14 September 2013 at the landfill near the village of Chuguev (Kharkiv region) took place successful fire tests of two MBTs "Oplot", manufactured at the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" under the contract of the Ukrspecexport GC with the Royal Thai Army (Kingdom of Thailand).


This was announced by the Director General of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies Sergey Gromov.

According to him, combat vehicles successfully passed the first stage of sea and fire tests. Tanks demonstrated the course at different speeds, as well as the ability to maneuver. During combat shooting, both tanks fired from 125-mm cannons, 7,62-mm twin machine guns, as well as 12,7-mm anti-aircraft machine guns. All targets were hit. Tests of MBT “Oplot” confirmed the quality parameters and technical specifications provided for by the designers.

“Three other tanks from the first export batch, which are manufactured by the State Enterprise“ Plant named after V. Malyshev ”, which is part of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies, will be tested for Thailand in the near future. These are, in particular, running tests, as well as tests of firing systems, ”S.Gromov said.
He assured that the contract is being implemented in accordance with the agreements with the Thai side and the first batch will be transferred in due time.
“We are grateful to our friends from the Royal Thai Army for the confidence of Ukrainian military equipment. Ukroboronprom Group appreciates the cooperation with the Kingdom of Thailand - our strategic partner in the field of military-technical cooperation. We express readiness to further deepen it in the interests of our states, ”noted Sergey Gromov.

The first two "strongholds" for Thailand have been successful running and fire tests


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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 17 September 2013 09: 00 New
    18
    It seems that you will crush the plasma on top of the tower from any slingshot. smile
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 17 September 2013 09: 09 New
      12
      I also think that we need another car of spare glasses and lenses for the sighting system hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 18 September 2013 09: 37 New
        0
        Quote: d1m1drol
        I also think that we need another car of spare glasses and lenses for the sighting system

        And also - two barrels of water inside the tank, in order to timely clean glass of such an area from dirt ... otherwise the sight will become useless from "streaks" ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 September 2013 10: 55 New
          0
          Let the anti-aircraft gunners tell how much work it cost them to keep the glass on C10 clean ... but it doesn’t move, with such intensity as a tank and dirt spills on it at times less ...
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 September 2013 09: 13 New
      20
      Quote: Vladimirets
      It seems that you will crush the plasma on top of the tower from any slingshot.


      Speaking of the tower, the roof of the tank tower received additional protection against anti-tank weapons such as FGM-148 Javelin, attacking the tank from above, into the roof of the tower.
      1. astra
        astra 17 September 2013 09: 30 New
        13
        It would be interesting to compare the stronghold with our tanks and future armatures in tests, at least in the tank biathlon. Then it would be more or less possible to summarize, the conclusion is who is better and who is inferior, since it is impossible to find out in combat conditions.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 09: 36 New
          -7
          It would be interesting to compare the stronghold with our tanks and future armatures in tests, at least in the tank biathlon. Then it would be more or less possible to summarize, the conclusion is who is better and who is inferior, since it is impossible to find out in combat conditions.


          Armata is the next generation car. And it is better not to compare it with a "raft", since according to the results of comparisons, our neighbors will have another peremoga.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 17 September 2013 09: 44 New
            18
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            Armata machine of the next generation.

            WHERE Armata? They promised to do in the fall?
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 09: 47 New
              +4
              WHERE Armata? They promised to do in the fall?


              They will show but not to us. We will see her wherever in the 14th or 15th.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 September 2013 12: 32 New
                +5
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                They will show but not to us

                Do not show! And not only to us.
          2. True
            True 17 September 2013 10: 06 New
            +7
            so much text ... I would just write URA immediately!
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 10: 27 New
              +1
              so much text ... I would just write URA immediately!


              Hurray, I do not make sense to write. Our tank builders have only one request: let the car be comfortable for the guys. Personally, I have a preteznie to our rifleman, Sib and equipment. Here I am ready to hang them for eggs.
          3. vjhbc
            vjhbc 18 September 2013 19: 34 New
            +1
            I have a feeling after all the Russian military corruption scandals and after reading the article about glonas that your armata will be the same T-72, well, maybe plastic skirts will be added somewhere in the underground garage made of Chinese plastic and the patriots will shout you dare, this is the newest super duper exactly as the T-90 is being called today, although don’t call it but it was like the T-72 remained
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            Armata is the next generation car. And it is better not to compare it with a "raft", since according to the results of comparisons, our neighbors will have another peremoga.
        2. lucidlook
          lucidlook 17 September 2013 11: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: astra
          at least in a tank biathlon.

          Better - tank paintball.
    3. RUS96
      RUS96 17 September 2013 09: 38 New
      +5
      Remember how they taught in the army. Where to hit a tank with small arms.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 09: 46 New
        -1
        Remember how they taught in the army. Where to hit a tank with small arms.


        Observation devices of the raft are easy to hit, and so it is understandable. The point is that they have hung all sorts of crap on him and are now shouting that he is the most secure in terms of security. Let the same to the tsakhal be told with their fourth merkavas, more than fully equipped with "Trophy".
    4. roial
      roial 17 September 2013 12: 27 New
      +3
      Probably copied from your "Breakthrough" laughing
      1. svp67
        svp67 18 September 2013 19: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: roial
        Probably copied from your "Breakthrough"
        Yes, it would be better if they copied it, otherwise they didn’t even put the side curtains ... Kharkiv residents did the "garbage"
      2. vjhbc
        vjhbc 18 September 2013 19: 40 New
        0
        huh it said laughing laughing and as soon as 72 do not call names soon the armature will become
        Quote: roial
        Probably copied from your "Breakthrough"
        1. Kars
          Kars 18 September 2013 20: 03 New
          +2
          It seems that there are wipers, and a washer washer. Yes, and is located quite high. Not every spray will fly.
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 September 2013 20: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            It seems that there are wipers, and a washer washer. Yes, and is located quite high. Not every spray will fly.
            Experience shows that more than one will fly by, I’m not talking about close gaps, it’ll fall asleep there, and think how MUCH water you need to wash away the dirt from such a large surface. And not just rinse, but qualitatively rinse, so that there are no stains otherwise the range of accurate shooting will drop sharply ...
          2. svp67
            svp67 18 September 2013 20: 23 New
            0
            All countries either put side curtains or slightly deepen the scope to hide from side splashes



            1. Kars
              Kars 18 September 2013 20: 52 New
              +4
              Quote: svp67
              put side curtains

              and what's the use of those curtains? Won't they give away the dirt from the lenses with a janitor?
              Quote: svp67
              And not just rinse, but qualitatively rinse, so that there are no stains, otherwise the range of accurate shooting will drop sharply.

              it is thought out - after all, they worked with the French on sights. They’ve been driving the tank for more than a year — it would have been a bit wrong.
            2. Kars
              Kars 18 September 2013 20: 52 New
              +1
              _____________-
  2. klimpopov
    klimpopov 17 September 2013 09: 00 New
    +3
    The camouflage is interesting. Chet did not see, maybe someone knows how much they ordered at all?
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 17 September 2013 09: 03 New
      10
      49 pieces were ordered by the Thai. Camouflage is called pixel.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 September 2013 09: 09 New
        0
        Yes, I realized that the pixel one looks interesting.
        49 pieces ordered by the Thai

        Fishlessness and cancer.
        1. avt
          avt 17 September 2013 09: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: klimpopov
          Fishlessness and cancer.

          Yes, they will now reach the English Channel and no one will stop them! laughing
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 September 2013 09: 20 New
            20
            Quote: avt
            Yes, they will now reach the English Channel and no one will stop them.

            There is not enough solarium to go so much from Bangkok, but the ass will fall apart from the mechanics.
            1. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 17 September 2013 09: 49 New
              +3
              http://kanalukraina.tv/episode/28604/ с 3:30 смотреть.
            2. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 10: 16 New
              32
              Greetings to Akim! In the inheritance from the USSR, Ukraine received a tank design bureau and a plant without a closed production cycle. Over the years of independence
              1. T-80UD was completely "Ukrainianized",
              2. On its basis, at least two modern machines "Yatagan" and "Oplot" were created.
              3. Ukraine has developed and launched the production of two wheeled armored personnel carriers (BTR-3 and BTR-4). I dare say, wheeled armored vehicles were not produced in the Ukrainian SSR.

              Now about Russia. In the legacy of the USSR, Russia received 3 tank plants and 3 KB: Leningrad, Tagil, Omsk. We can also talk about Chelyabinsk, but I leave it outside the brackets. 3 and 3. At the moment, Leningrad is no longer able to work on an armored topic, or produce anything. Omsk - only special equipment based on tanks. Development and production. Omsk school is actually destroyed.

              Only Tagil remained. Which, nothing new from the alteration of the T-64 into the T-72 / T-90 has so far failed. And what is now called "Armata" is the Omsk development, appropriated by the Tagil people.
              Yours! hi
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 17 September 2013 12: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                1. T-80UD was completely "Ukrainianized",

                Only the TK gun was Ukrainized, everything else was produced in Kharkov in the form of the T80UD.
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                at least two modern machines "Yatagan" and "Oplot" were created on its basis.
                A scimitar is just a prototype and nothing more. And in your phrase the main part based on it because the stronghold is nothing more than the modernization of the T80UD, a good modernization but not like, not a new car.
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                Only Tagil remained. Which, nothing new from the alteration of the T-64 to the T-72 / T-90, has so far failed.
                As well as Kharkov, nothing but the T80U in the T80UD, and that in Oplot, could not.
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                And what is now called "Armata" is the Omsk development, appropriated by the Tagil people.
                Have a bite citizen.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 17 September 2013 12: 53 New
                  12
                  I highly recommend familiarization at your leisure.


                  By the way, it’s still interesting - what do you think is the New Tank? The T-90 is new?
                  1. Darakht
                    Darakht 17 September 2013 13: 07 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    I highly recommend familiarization at your leisure.

                    With a picture you exhibited or a book? If a book, please give a link - I will read it with pleasure.
                    1. Jake danzels
                      Jake danzels 17 September 2013 13: 14 New
                      +2
                      http://eknigi.org/voennaja_istorija/37480-xarkovskie-vosmidesyatki.html
                  2. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 17 September 2013 13: 29 New
                    +4
                    Books are good, I love books.
                    Quote: Kars
                    By the way, it’s still interesting - what do you think is the New Tank? The T-90 is new?
                    let's dot the Y. I replied to the citizen, as he spoke out in the sense that the Oplot is a modern car, and the T90 is a remake of the T64, it is in this vein that I should understand. Answering your question directly, I want to say that we either say T90 T72 modernization; Oplot BM modernization of the T80UD, or T90 new tank; BMOplot new tank.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 17 September 2013 13: 38 New
                      +7
                      Quote: evil hamster
                      , and T90 rework T64

                      Well, for starters (I would never have believed that I would protect Kuzyu) you read poorly.
                      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                      nothing new from the alteration of the T-64 to the T-72 / T-90

                      that is, for the most part, the crucible did the T-72 with an eye on the T-64.

                      Quote: evil hamster
                      T90 modernization of T72; Oplot BM modernization of the T80UD, or T90 new tank; BMOplot new tank.


                      I will say here: BM Oplot can claim the name of a new tank; the upgraded T-80UD is the T-84. The T-90 can only claim the name of a new tank in the T-90MS / AM modification
                      1. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 17 September 2013 14: 17 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, for starters (I would never have believed that I would protect Kuzyu) you read poorly.
                        I read normally, and I do not need your opinions on this matter.
                        Quote: Kars
                        that is, for the most part, the crucible did the T-72 with an eye on the T-64.
                        Thank you I am aware of the history of domestic tank building as far as it is accessible to a person who is not related to the industry, but simply interested, but in this context, history has nothing to do with it.
                        Quote: Kars
                        I will say here: BM Oplot can claim the name of a new tank; the upgraded T-80UD is the T-84. The T-90 can only claim the name of a new tank in the T-90MS / AM modification
                        this option is acceptable in my opinion, but again, this is a matter of terminology and tastes.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 17 September 2013 15: 01 New
                        +6
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        I read normally, and I do not need your opinions on this matter.

                        You never know what you think you do not need.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Thank you, I am aware of the history of domestic tank building

                        Glad to hear that.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        about in this context, history has nothing to do with.

                        just very much at that.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        this option is acceptable in my opinion, but again this is a matter of terminology and tastes

                        Well, you can offer other criteria and conditions I will listen.
                        by the way from the interesting--
                        The T-80U / UD did not receive its own T-84/86 index (as you like) for political reasons, and vice versa, the T-72BM received its own T-90 index precisely for a political decision.
                    2. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 17 September 2013 18: 07 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Kars
                      that is, for the most part, the crucible did the T-72 with an eye on the T-64.

                      Tagil, thank God, did everything possible so that his T-72 would not inherit all the jambs of the Kharkov T-64 shelter.
                    3. Kars
                      Kars 17 September 2013 18: 10 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      Tagil, thank God, did everything possible so that his T-72 would not inherit all the jambs of the Kharkov T-64 shelter.

                      Well, yes, but he did it. But, in principle, a lot was not required for a cheap, mobilization tank. And Harvov himself eliminated his jambs, all the same, they created a new generation tank.
                    4. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 18 September 2013 10: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      Well, yes, but I’ve done it.

                      Well, yes, "but their Tanks made ", and corrected most of the stocks of the T-64. As for the" backwardness "of the T-72 in terms of the FCS, as a" purely mobilization, cheap tank ", this is exactly how the task was set. no problem, and whether it was a task during development, he would have received a modern LMS immediately.
                      Quote: Kars
                      But in principle, a lot was not required for a cheap, mobilization tank

                      That's it, but wiping yourself with a resolution of the Council of Ministers is more expensive for yourself. But see above.
                      Quote: Kars
                      But Harvov himself eliminated his shoals, all the same, they created a tank of a new generation.

                      belay What are you !? Kharkov switched to the release of the T-72 ??? belay
                      Where are these jambs eliminated - not in Bulat or E-shka?
                      But seriously - then most of the T-64 jambs (if we consider its development without a radical design change) were fixed not in Kharkov, but in Leningrad, although anyway it was necessary to make a new tank for this. smile
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 September 2013 13: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          In the legacy of the USSR, Russia received 3 tank plants

          And why do we need so many tanks to do, even in 3 factories? In the USSR, so many plants were needed, because our tank avalanche was a deterrent from the Amer bombers with nuclear weapons. And now we do not need so many tanks. By the way, by the way, our long-established T-90MS has the same 48 hp with a mass of 1200 tons. the stronghold has a mass of 50 tons. And outwardly the T-90MS looks more secure.
          At the expense of Almaty, I agree that the deadlines have dragged on, but the requirements for technology are constantly changing, a completely new machine is created, which should exceed at least a decade ahead, it's not so simple .. I think that the final machine should already be with drone elements, and have the ability to act without a crew.
        3. tank 34
          tank 34 17 September 2013 15: 30 New
          +1
          As for the alterations: The stronghold is the alteration of the t-80ud, which is the development of the t-64b. Tagil produced a mobilization version of t -64 t-72. Based on it, the t-90 was created. The Americans are still modernizing their Abrams, which is the same age as the T-80. At the expense of the design bureau, yes it may be true, but to produce three identical OBT MBTs, to put it mildly, is not very reasonable, in peacetime it can be unlikely, but if there is a war, how to repair them !!!!!!!!!? ???????
  3. Vadivak
    Vadivak 17 September 2013 09: 23 New
    23
    Quote: klimpopov
    Fishlessness and cancer.


    Well no. He has the same ancestor T-80UD excellent tank. And this modern car, navigation has GLONASS and NAVSTAR with the definition of its own coordinates, the formation of teams with the coordinates of the destination, the collection of information about the location of subordinate tanks, the formation of routes (up to 10 routes) and the passage along a given path (the number of control points for each route - up to 50), the formation of telecode (text) messages over the air, indication of information about the direction and magnitude of the angle of rotation to the destination for the driver.
    It has a combined defense system, which includes passive armor, built-in dynamic protection and a number of other defense systems that increase the tank's liveability on the battlefield. Armor is multi-layered, consisting of armor plates and ceramic materials.
    By the way, side armor is better than all tanks standing in service in the west and ours. Not afraid of tandems.
    Engine 1200 hp
    Yes, and kind of what you need.
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 17 September 2013 09: 54 New
      -6
      I would like to add that these tanks were created on the basis of the Soviet ones, and the article says "thank you for your confidence in the Ukrainian military equipment" ... Which Ukrainian one? What have they done independently over the years?
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 September 2013 10: 05 New
        19
        Quote: pahom54
        . Which Ukrainian?

        Exactly such a question can be asked on the T-90 series. Does it matter to you? I don’t.
      2. True
        True 17 September 2013 10: 09 New
        +5
        Have we done much?
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 September 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      Meant about the contract! And not about the tank!
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 17 September 2013 13: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      By the way, side armor is better than all tanks standing in service in the west and ours. Not afraid of tandems.
      Engine 1200 hp

      Well, that’s why it turned out to be harder, by several tons, you have to pay for the armor, and the engine is apparently gas turbine like on the T-80, powerful, but very capricious, afraid of dust, although the climate in Thailand is normally humid there.
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 September 2013 14: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: DEfindER
        , and the engine is apparently gas turbine like on the T-80,

        This will probably be an indicator of how you understand the topic.

        as for the weight, it’s both for armor, and for extra fuel, and for electronics, air conditioning, active opposition systems, for better protection of the side surface. You really have to pay for them. And the fee is far from excessive. At the same time, for a surcharge, if necessary, will deliver an engine of 1500 hp
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 17 September 2013 14: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          This will probably be an indicator.

          I always knew that the main difference between the T-80 and other Soviet tanks is its turbine making this tank the fastest. Now I really read from the turbine already abandoned on the T-80UD.
          1. Jake danzels
            Jake danzels 17 September 2013 15: 23 New
            +2
            If the history of the development of tank building is interesting, look for it in books, thematic collections, etc. the advised book by Kars will just reveal the fate of this machine, in the process of reading you will have questions you will look for answers :)
            There are a lot of books, I do not advise you to watch TV programs, usually there, as always, they talk about "unparalleled."
            1. Yemelya
              Yemelya 17 September 2013 15: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Jake Danzels
              I do not advise you to watch TV shows, as they usually talk about "unparalleled".


              And by the way, in the Ukrainian media "Oplot" too "... a unique sample has been created that has no analogues ..."?
              1. Jake danzels
                Jake danzels 17 September 2013 16: 28 New
                +5
                Media that you take from them.
                I am generally skeptical of this statement. If BTT, which has no analogues, I consider two cases:
                1. T-34 - at the beginning of the Second World War, the surprise was nowhere to go;
                2. T-64
                Now these words are scattered right and left.
              2. self-propelled
                self-propelled 17 September 2013 16: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Emelya
                And by the way, in the Ukrainian media "Oplot" too "... a unique sample has been created that has no analogues ..."?

                Check out the Discovery Channel for more. there practically all American weapons are the best.
                the advertisement is engine of the trade.
    4. svp67
      svp67 18 September 2013 18: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      Yes, and kind of what you need.

      This is where you pumped up, not so hot at his vidok, this one will be more beautiful


      1. svp67
        svp67 18 September 2013 20: 10 New
        0
        And this in general "killed" them, that the "normal tank" paint is over? How can you paint a tank with SUCH paint, and even LOW-SERIES ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 18 September 2013 20: 15 New
          0
          Quote: svp67
          And this in general "killed" them, that the "normal tank" paint is over?

          This is tropical camouflage. The French are doing such a thing on Leclerci and nothing.
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 September 2013 20: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Akim
            This is tropical camouflage. The French are doing such a thing on Leclerci and nothing.

            It's not about "camouflage". And in KRASK, it "glares", in contrast to the standard one - and this is sharply given by the tank ... Well, this is the basics.
            1. Akim
              Akim 18 September 2013 20: 52 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              And in PAINT, it also "shines


              This is a show piece. Probably brightness for advertising. In the "desert" version, it is still normal.
            2. Alexander D.
              Alexander D. 18 September 2013 20: 55 New
              0
              Where did you see serial tanks in the photos to make the paint glare? what you showed in the footnote is an exhibition tank. Do not confuse cutlets with flies.
      2. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 18 September 2013 20: 17 New
        0
        And what is the vidoc of the archaic T-90 better? This is the last century!
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 September 2013 20: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander D.
          And what is the vidoc of the archaic T-90 better? This is the last century!

          Well, today ALL tanks are from the last century. In this, no one has yet "rolled out" new. But you must agree that to make such a "young man" out of the "archaic" talent is needed, and that pleases - this TALENT works in Russia
          1. Kars
            Kars 18 September 2013 20: 55 New
            +1
            And to me, a tower-like Flying Saucer type is not very good.
            1. svp67
              svp67 19 September 2013 01: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              And to me, a tower-like Flying Saucer type is not very good.

              So this work of Kharkov, too, you evaluate as "not very good." Critical, Critical. And they say that you do not criticize Ukrainian tanks ...
              1. Kars
                Kars 19 September 2013 10: 04 New
                +2
                Of course, you can do better, add fake screens (we are here considering the visual aspect) and the angle is somehow not so ricocheted into the roof of the case.
                Quote: svp67
                And they say that you do not criticize Ukrainian tanks ...

                Well, why do not criticize, if there is something and only as a last resort.
    5. svp67
      svp67 18 September 2013 18: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      By the way, side armor is better than all tanks standing in service in the west and ours. Not afraid of tandems.
      This is all VOICE. Show the results not of calculations, but of TESTS. At least shelling from RPG7V, not to mention any ATGM ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 18 September 2013 19: 31 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Show the results not of calculations, but of TESTS.

        It seems to me (even I'm sure) that the materials under the SECRET signature stamp should not be accessible to the public eye. There is a reassurance of the designers - Thai experts probably studied it having access to real armor tests. And this feature - to brag about their achievements on Facebook - does not lead to anything good.
      2. Kars
        Kars 18 September 2013 19: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Show the results not of calculations, but of TESTS.

        So they showed it. In the past, there was a video test and shelling. But for some reason, Russian users did not like it. One of the reasons was that they didn’t shoot from an RPG, but placed an RPG grenade on a stand. They said it wasn’t kosher. At least a video of shelling a relic or T -90 I personally have not seen at all.



        http://topwar.ru/33198-bronetankostroenie-obespechilo-ryvok-ukrainy-na-mirovom-r
        ynke-vooruzheniy.html # comment-id-1493633
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 September 2013 21: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          So they showed it.

          This is interesting. The test case "UDshki" was well "stuck", the good old "64-ke" got it, but it's a pity they didn't show the outlet holes ... And thanks for the video, I'm sitting, I'm studying ...
      3. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 18 September 2013 20: 16 New
        0

        ENJOY
  • Apollo
    Apollo 17 September 2013 09: 03 New
    10
    topic video
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 17 September 2013 09: 07 New
    +1
    A pretty car! Only now its vitality is doubtful.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 17 September 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      Only its survivability is doubtful

      and what are your doubts?
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 09: 33 New
        -7
        and what are your doubts?

        And you look at the turret of this um tank and take a look at what the people of Urkain call "modular armor", and then look at the chassis and especially at the screens. But the main questions for me personally are about the filling. But all the electronic stuffing on the tank is 50% of its efficiency. and something tells me that inside there is far from ice.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 17 September 2013 10: 35 New
          13
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          And you look at the turret of this um tank and take a look at what the people of Urkain call "modular armor", and then look at the chassis and especially at the screens

          and what doesn’t suit you there?
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          But the main questions I personally have about the filling. But all the electronic stuffing on the tank is 50% of its effectiveness. and something tells me that inside there is far from ice.

          and what tells you that there is "no ice". if you have information about the stuffing of "Oplot", then you could not tell in more detail (preferably based on specific figures and in comparison with foreign counterparts). and if there are none, then you shouldn't even shout.
          I dare to suggest that most of the "no ice" assumptions stem from the fact that the tank was created in Ukraine. no more... request
        2. svp67
          svp67 18 September 2013 20: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          But all the electronic stuffing on the tank is 50% of its effectiveness. and something tells me that inside there is far from ice.

          Yes, for "Ice" there is definitely not enough space ... well, only if it is very small ...
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 17 September 2013 10: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      A pretty car! Only now its vitality is doubtful.

      If by survivability you mean projectile resistance, then I see no reason to doubt. A machine based on the good old T-80, and what a DZ cake ...
  • Ogogoshka
    Ogogoshka 17 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +2
    beautiful tank, but why such a big TV on the tower?
  • d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 17 September 2013 09: 11 New
    -12
    So I look at the stronghold of Ukrainian sovereignty and see the good old T-72, with a new dynamic protection and an air intake pipe to overcome the ford along the bottom (I know it is not a pipe) ... no more.
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 September 2013 09: 23 New
      17
      Quote: d1m1drol
      and I see the good old T-72, with

      Though competently comment. Well, if you look for the ancestor, then in the T-80.
      1. limmor
        limmor 17 September 2013 10: 06 New
        +4
        If anything, then the ancestor of T-64
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 September 2013 09: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: d1m1drol
      I look at the stronghold of Ukrainian sovereignty and see the good old T-72


      Actually, if it's old, good, then the T-80 UD.
  • Sirs
    Sirs 17 September 2013 09: 11 New
    +6
    T-90SM is better than 100%.)))
  • Sochi
    Sochi 17 September 2013 09: 18 New
    +3
    solid old Soviet tank with yet untested modernization.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 17 September 2013 11: 15 New
      14
      A new tank is not made out of nothing. The tank design bureau in Kharkov was before the Second World War, and there have been developments since those times. Nothing is stolen, nothing is copied. It was the Kharkov Design Bureau that was leading in the USSR. And now it’s ridiculous to say that Oplot is a Soviet tank, since Armata is also a Soviet tank. Armata also absorbed (we hope) the best achievements of the tank builders of Omsk and Tagil, maybe Leningrad. And the achievements of the times of the USSR
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 17 September 2013 14: 01 New
        +1
        ??? I understand from your post - that the stronghold is committed a new independent development of Kharkiv? that they developed a new chassis, a new turret, a new engine? Nefiga, they just took a Soviet tank and hung other devices on it and upgraded the protection. Honor and praise to the designers who managed to do so, but this is the same good old Soviet tank. Modernization is still doubtful since it was not tested in battles, theory is one thing and practice ...
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 17 September 2013 14: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: Sochi
          Modernization is still doubtful since it was not tested in battles, theory is one thing and practice ...

          Based on your words, the vast majority of modern tanks are obtained - questionable products, since their qualities have not been tested in battle?
          1. Sochi
            Sochi 17 September 2013 14: 42 New
            +1
            Exactly so, such things happened every time with new cars, history knows no exceptions. The development of military equipment is only verified by battle. Look at least the story of Abrams.
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 September 2013 14: 56 New
              +7
              Quote: Sochi
              Look at least the story of Abrams.

              and what do you propose to see there? 3rd generation tank battles with 2- tanks (export modifications)? what will they prove? moreover, with complete dominance in the air and information space? or low intensity battles against semi-partisan detachments? Based on this T-90 also a modification so-so. Like a lecler with a Leopard - although probably they can count the entrance to Yugoslavia and Afghanistan for their combat experience, respectively.
              1. Sochi
                Sochi 17 September 2013 15: 13 New
                0
                There a lot of things came out ... starting from the air purifier to the rationality of booking. Since the first application, the States have changed a lot. Although yes, the example is rather weak, but it is quite characteristic. But the T-90 was modernized taking into account the battles in Chechnya, and now, so I think, specialists look at its prototypes in Syria and analyze tactics and its protection, effectiveness, and not only our experts ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 17 September 2013 15: 24 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Sochi
                  But the T-90 was modernized taking into account the battles in Chechnya

                  Wow. Do you think that you need to buy a license to take into account someone else’s combat experience? And can you enlighten what changed for the T-90 following the results of the battles in Chechnya? And what would it be known for certain?
                  Quote: Sochi
                  There a lot of things came out ... starting from the air purifier to the rationality of booking.

                  Well, all the same, you’ll have to learn the history of the Abrams tank. No major changes were made, the main innovations were introduced with the development of the hardware base and nothing more, as well as with an eye on colleagues. The same independent pan-scope sight first appeared on Leclerc, which never fought anywhere, and then appeared on the Abrams M1A2.
                  Air purifiers - and what is the combat operation here? Problems with them were identified, and they tried to be eliminated at the testing stage, as if there were no desert areas in the USA.
                  Quote: Sochi
                  the peaks look at his prototypes in Syria and analyze tactics and their defense,

                  them that Chechnya was not enough? In Syria, about the same thing and no more.

                  Two late production MlAl tanks from the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment are shown here operating at Fort Bliss, Texas.
                  1. Sochi
                    Sochi 17 September 2013 15: 46 New
                    +3
                    Abrams Modernization - http://techno-story.ru/books/102-osnovnoj-boevoj-tank-abrams/412-serijnoe-proizv
                    odstvo-i-modernizatsiya-tanka-abrams
                    about the t-90, do not hold for fools those who develop and upgrade tanks.
                    It’s watched and how, any experience of battles is priceless, wherever they take place.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 17 September 2013 16: 50 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Sochi
                      http://techno-story.ru/books/102-osnovnoj-boevoj-tank-abrams/412-serijnoe-proizv

                      odstvo-i-modernizatsiya-tanka-abrams

                      And what prompted you to your conclusions? According to the experience of drinking application?
                      Quote: Sochi
                      about the t-90, do not hold for fools those who develop and upgrade tanks

                      Why is this? You couldn’t answer anything offhand - even the new T-90A welded tower will not confirm your statements in any way - it will repeat the tower of object 476 from the 80s. The curtain system also appeared before Chechnya, as well as new models of DZ. Chechnya, for the most part, has revealed the flaws of the tactics of use. They would have lost something with the same use of Merkava 4 in Grozny 1994.

                      Quote: Sochi
                      It’s watched and how, any experience of battles is priceless, wherever they take place.
                      if you don’t process it, it will still be useless. Syrian generals, for example, did not take into account the experience of Chechnya, and you don’t even have to go far - the experience of Israel, for some reason they learned with their own blood.
                      1. Sochi
                        Sochi 17 September 2013 22: 51 New
                        0
                        1 - THERE ARE NO THEREFORE, FROM THE LANTERN PERFORMED MODERNIZATION ...
                        2 - modifications of the t-90 appeared after Chechnya. maybe belatedly, but they appeared.
                        3 - so we are not those who use equipment ... but about those on whom its development depends, although each has its own school and its own vision of the future battlefield and the place of the tank in it.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 17 September 2013 23: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Sochi
                        1 - THERE ARE NO THEREFORE, FROM THE LANTERN PERFORMED MODERNIZATION ...

                        So you can’t give specific prerequisites from the article for the modernization of Abrams in accordance with the combat experience gained in 1991?
                        And they did not modernize from the flashlight, but to increase the effectiveness of the tank using the latest technical developments, especially in the electronic component.
                        Quote: Sochi
                        2 - modifications of the t-90 appeared after Chechnya. maybe belatedly, but they appeared.

                        after Chechnya, no modifications of the T-90 appeared. The T-90A does not bear any imprints of the Chechen company, the usual improvement of the tank in the production process, eliminating the shortcomings of the predecessor tank.
                        Quote: Sochi
                        3 - so we are not those who use equipment ... but about those on whom its development depends, although each has its own school and its own vision of the future battlefield and the place of the tank in it.

                        What was it?
                      3. Sochi
                        Sochi 18 September 2013 09: 37 New
                        0
                        1 - http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2012/01/blog-post_30.html - Output. The analysis of defects and shortcomings in the operation of the Abrams and BMD Bradley tanks allowed American specialists to take them into account when adjusting the development plan for armored vehicles and their systems. At the same time, according to the timing of the proposed implementation, the measures are divided into two groups: priority ones, based on proven technical solutions, and activities requiring R&D.
                        2 - ?????
                        3 - It was, is and will be ... A conversation about the modernization and development of armored vehicles. And not about those to whom they gave that to those and is fighting.
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 18 September 2013 10: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Sochi
                        http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2012/01/blog-post_30.html


                        Quote: Sochi
                        Analysis of defects and deficiencies in the operation of the Abrams and BMD Bradley tanks

                        Where is the word - BATTLE?
                        Quote: Sochi
                        The development of military equipment is only verified by battle. Look at least the story of Abrams

                        Where? Just exploitation.
                        The only event that can be associated with combat experience is precisely Fighting.
                        -installation of temporary means on the chassis of the tank and BMP, which facilitate the identification of "their" and "alien" machines (thermal beacons, thermal tapes, etc.);

                        Quote: Sochi
                        2 - ?????

                        exactly.

                        Quote: Sochi
                        It was, is and will be ... A conversation about the modernization and development of armored vehicles. And not about those to whom they gave that to those and is fighting.
                        I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
            2. uwzek
              uwzek 18 September 2013 00: 08 New
              0
              can enlighten what has changed on the T-90 following the results of the battles in Chechnya?
              Nothing has changed. The only serious modernization of the T-90 was the T-90MS model, but it was not accepted for service (although who knows?).
              1. Sochi
                Sochi 18 September 2013 09: 48 New
                0
                Our tankers met our new century while fighting in Chechnya. Fortunately, the sad experience of the first war was taken into account, and in this campaign tank losses were significantly lower. In 2000, the year it was first announced that a new generation tank was created in Russia, known as the 195 Object or the T-95. It was expected that he would begin to arrive in the army in the middle of the decade.

                The changed conjuncture of the world market brought the golden rain of petrodollars to the country. However, the first half dozen modernized T-90А were purchased only in 2004 year. The following year, again, only 17 machines were purchased. And only with 2006, the procurement began to be carried out in more acceptable quantities. In addition, a “very budgetary” modernization of the T-72BA tank was carried out.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 18 September 2013 10: 38 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Sochi
                  Our tankers met the new century while fighting in Chechnya. Fortunately, the sad experience of the first war was taken into account, and losses in tanks were significantly lower during this campaign.

                  Due to what new structural elements of the T-72 tanks (the T-90 was not there), a reduction in losses was achieved, and what upgrades were applied.
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 17 September 2013 16: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Sochi
        Look at least the story of Abrams.

        I’ll ask again - what about the tanks that did not participate in the hostilities? the modernization (for example) of the German "Leopard" 2 (to the level of A6, A7) comes out does not make sense, since the current Bundeswehr tankers have no real combat experience ?! recourse
        1. Sochi
          Sochi 17 September 2013 22: 11 New
          0
          these tanks were created and modernized taking into account world experience and the development of shadow casting ... but in case of military operations of these machines there is sure to be something to change and modernize. Like it or not, these are peacetime machines, you won’t check everything at the training ground.
  • Gur
    Gur 17 September 2013 09: 20 New
    +3
    This tank is a direct competitor to our t-90x
    1. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 17 September 2013 09: 48 New
      -8
      Aha - a competitor so finally a competitor :)

      You still write about the BTR-4 - in general uberwaf :) True, neither Iraq nor India wants to take due to massive defects, BUT we understand that these are trifles. And Aplot is the same song - we make "candy" from BU T-80. I wonder how many idiots (countries) are there that will lead to this divorce?
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 September 2013 09: 55 New
      +8
      Quote: Gur
      This tank is a direct competitor to our t-90x


      mmm, I would refrain from such statements, the T-90 has been released, ~ according to my conservative estimates, more than 1500 units, "Oplot" taking into account the last two 12 units, nothing personal, I tend to believe figures more than people.

      PS. all the successes achieved in the arms market of Ukraine are the sale of weapons inherited from the USSR
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 09: 30 New
    -16
    Wow, TWO tanks ?! Well, a tramp is strong, now the Ukaine made 2 tanks for us. Interesting after how many years they will make 2 more tanks, and most importantly which ones. Because doubts are gnawing at me about the present and the adequacy of the current armored vehicles of these so-called tanks.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 17 September 2013 11: 31 New
      10
      I am full of doubts about your adequacy, for what reason is there so much sarcasm and bile for the achievements of the fraternal people?
      1. jasper
        jasper 17 September 2013 18: 00 New
        -4
        to whom are Ukrainians fraternal people? laughing
        only not Russian, here the Russians (Little Russians) of Ukraine are not brothers to us, for we are one people from the flesh
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          1. jasper
            jasper 17 September 2013 21: 48 New
            +1
            and silence again? there is no claim to the slogan-Russian knives? or thank God that I am not Russian? since moderators will not allow to enclose them in the original?
            1. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 18 September 2013 00: 05 New
              0
              from whom do you hear this slogan?
  • yanus
    yanus 17 September 2013 09: 35 New
    +7
    Why are sea trials not in Thailand? That would be interesting to see. Preferably in the rainy season, after a rainfall.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 09: 39 New
      -4
      Why are sea trials not in Thailand? That would be interesting to see. Preferably in the rainy season, after a rainfall.


      Well, why are you so tough with garny lads bully
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 September 2013 10: 14 New
        12
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Well, why are you so tough with garny lads

        Because of people like you, fobs took a 32 "TV, neither" Horizon "nor" Ruby "nor even" Vityaz "instead of a monitor.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 10: 30 New
          -8
          Because of people like you, fobs took a 32 "TV, neither" Horizon "nor" Ruby "nor even" Vityaz "instead of a monitor.


          By hi and answer.
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 September 2013 10: 47 New
            +8
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            By hi and answer.

            Who so personally annoyed you?
    2. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 17 September 2013 09: 53 New
      10
      Why are you so. Let’s do everything in Thailand, and why test the tank, immediately into battle, and then left the hangar and again into battle.

      And about the rainy season, recall how 64ka pulled out the T-90 in Malaysia?
      1. yanus
        yanus 17 September 2013 13: 31 New
        +2
        People, why did you attack like that? I'm really just curious. Actually, in such a terrain and climate, almost any tank sits in a puddle.
        1. Akim
          Akim 17 September 2013 14: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: yanus
          I'm really just curious.

          There was a tender and BM Oplot was there. Also, the old modification of the T-84U was taken to Thailand and he rode there for a long time. Thais did not decide to buy it at random.
  • rugor
    rugor 17 September 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    Why are sea trials not in Thailand? That would be interesting to see. Preferably in the rainy season, after a rainfall.


    Well, why are you so tough with garny lads bully


    Those who wish to go on a business trip to Thailand would be found in abundance. laughing
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 17 September 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    Will be in the subject:
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 17 September 2013 10: 54 New
      +2
      and about other shops there is infa
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 17 September 2013 11: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: maxvet
        and about other shops there is infa

        If you follow the link to YouTube, then you can find several more similar videos there.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 September 2013 11: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Warrawar
      Will be in the subject:


      my you (+) is very regrettable
    3. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 17 September 2013 15: 32 New
      -1
      Depressing picture. recourse This seems to be the mechanics department.
  • Manager
    Manager 17 September 2013 09: 48 New
    +4
    Good tanks. Many in many ways even surpassed the merkavs. What will be our answer in Armata interesting?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 September 2013 10: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Manager
      What will be our answer in Armata interesting?


      Eugene Mechanic will tell. He knows.
  • Darakht
    Darakht 17 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +5
    The same problem as in Russia. There is a tank and a good tank, but it is not supplied to its troops - everything is exported crying When we grab it, it will be too late, and our lard will be given to us by rubbish.
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 September 2013 10: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Daraht
      . There is a tank and a good tank, but it is not supplied to its troops - everything is exported

      But for me it’s better to make a battalion of Bulatov instead of a company of Oplotov for the same money.
      1. Darakht
        Darakht 17 September 2013 10: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        But for me it’s better to make a battalion of Bulatov instead of a company of Oplotov for the same money.

        Every man to his own taste wink
      2. Jake danzels
        Jake danzels 17 September 2013 10: 42 New
        +3
        I agree with you but not 100%.
        Modernization of the T-64 is more rational, as for me, only when I compare Bulat with the T-64U (which was made in 1 copy) I will give preference to the latter because there is a panorama and an improved SLA.
        But there are still shortcomings that need to be worked on, although these shortcomings are more likely of an economic nature.
        And so you do not say Oplot-M is needed in the troops, even in the same amount that you say, ala guards. After all, no matter how operating experience is all.
        1. Akim
          Akim 17 September 2013 10: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: Jake Danzels
          But there are still shortcomings that need to be worked on, although these shortcomings are more likely of an economic nature.

          Indeed, the question of "Bulat" rests on money, but if they are available, it is possible to install a 1000-horsepower engine (the current one is still not enough, especially on loam) and a panorama and a Vityaz cannon. Of course, there are better upgrades, but this option is already well developed.
          1. Jake danzels
            Jake danzels 17 September 2013 11: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Akim

            Indeed, the question of "Bulat" rests on money, but if they are available, it is possible to install a 1000-horsepower engine (the current one is still not enough, especially on loam) and a panorama and a Vityaz cannon. Of course, there are better upgrades, but this option is already well developed.

            Engine - not possible, but you need to set 6TD-1
            Panorama - I agree, oh right
            Knight, I am not familiar with its parameters, is 50L an analog of 2A46?
            Chassis, strengthen all the rollers on the basis of the first and sixth rollers, after all, the mass has grown.
          2. Yemelya
            Yemelya 17 September 2013 11: 31 New
            +1
            Do not tell me, if known?

            Several years ago, the designations T-84U and T-84M met on the network - what are these options, or did they write out of ignorance?
            1. Akim
              Akim 17 September 2013 11: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Emelya
              T-84U and T-84M - what are these options, or did they write it out of ignorance?

              These are old names. Ukraine switched in export designations to BM.
              1. Yemelya
                Yemelya 17 September 2013 11: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Akim
                These are old names. Ukraine switched to BM in export designations.


                With this "BM" I also do not even understand.

                It all started, in my opinion, with the T-64BM "Bulat".
                BM, as I understand it, at first designated T-64B Modernized. Then, I think, due to the incompetence of the media staff, the designation simply BM "Bulat" began to appear, something like this: "... in the armament of Ukraine T-84 and BM" Bulat "...".

                The BM type is probably a "combat vehicle".

                Now BM "Oplot".

                Why don't you like the term "tank"? Or do these concepts differ in Ukrainian military science?

                And those in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as they are called, are still the T-84?
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                2. Akim
                  Akim 17 September 2013 12: 14 New
                  0
                  This is not due to competency. These are official names on the developer's site. And such a name was simply introduced, most likely, so that they would not be confused with Russian cars on the foreign market.
                  1. Yemelya
                    Yemelya 17 September 2013 12: 34 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    And such a name was simply introduced, most likely, so that they would not be confused with Russian cars on the foreign market.


                    BM "Bulat", it seems, is not offered for export, but "BM" went from it.

                    T-64E, which is offered to foreign customers, seems to be no one calls the BM.

                    BTR-3/4 is also BTR, they are called.

                    In my opinion, BM "Bulat" took root in the media, and then, for some reason, this random combination of letters, without a clear decoding, was used in the name of the new tank
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 17 September 2013 12: 45 New
                      +4
                      Main battle tank BM PLOT
                      BM tank Bulat

                      These are the names of Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering
                      T-64E is a modernization of the Kiev tank repair plant
                      1. Jake danzels
                        Jake danzels 17 September 2013 13: 15 New
                        +2
                        Exactly Kiev? :) Or maybe all the same 115?
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 17 September 2013 13: 30 New
                        +2
                        it’s exactly that the tank repair plant, and yes the Kharkov, and not the Kiev, those also have something of their own.
                      3. Jake danzels
                        Jake danzels 17 September 2013 14: 08 New
                        +1
                        Alas, I have not heard about the Kiev modernization and do not know.
                        115 works:
                        T-64
                        T-72
                        T-72UA1 - did 115 + HCBM
                        BMPT-64 - on the topic of BMPT and equipment based on the T-64, here’s 115 presentation, I think it will be informative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt76TbuQnjA
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 17 September 2013 14: 14 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Jake Danzels
                        about Kiev modernization

                        T-72UA1,
                        Kazakhstan was offered something and so on.
                      5. Jake danzels
                        Jake danzels 17 September 2013 14: 20 New
                        +1
                        This modernization option was created by the Kharkov Tank Repair Plant in cooperation with the Engineering Design Bureau. Repair and refinement of tanks are carried out at the Kiev Mechanical Repair Plant.

                        http://topwar.ru/25263-t-72ua1-ukrainskaya-modernizaciya-sovetskogo-tanka.html
                        Only here the people of Kiev capitalize and make it.
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 17 September 2013 15: 05 New
                        +4
                        It’s good that they even work, and that’s good.
            2. Yemelya
              Yemelya 17 September 2013 16: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Main battle tank BM PLOT
              BM tank Bulat

              These are the names of Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering


              For some reason, in capital letters and without quotes ...
              At the same time, the tank "Yatagan" without BM.

              On the ZiM website "The main tank" Oplot "and" the tank "Bulat" ", as well as" Bulat BM ".


              So what is BM?
            3. Kars
              Kars 17 September 2013 17: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Emelya
              So what is BM?

              Quote: Emelya
              The BM type is probably a "combat vehicle".

              But you can read how the armor Malysheva. AMX, M1a2 does not cause questions?
              Quote: Emelya
              At the same time, the tank "Yatagan" without BM.

              The scimitar was not accepted
            4. Yemelya
              Yemelya 17 September 2013 19: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              and AMX, M1a2 does not cause questions?


              Not at all, alphanumeric designations, the logic is understandable.

              If Ukrainian tanks were called, for example, BM-1 "Bulat" and BM-2 "Oplot", this would also be logical, but the letters BM do not indicate the brand of the car.

              And how to decrypt Bulat BM, for example?

              Quote: Kars
              The scimitar was not accepted


              Uh ... BM "Oplot" also, it seems, did not accept ... and if this is a factory designation, the car should have received it even before it was put into service.
            5. Kars
              Kars 17 September 2013 20: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Emelya
              Not at all, alphanumeric designations, the logic is clear

              Is it just a Leopard?

              Quote: Emelya
              BM-1 "Bulat" and BM-2 "Oplot", it would also be logical,

              what's logical about that?
              Quote: Emelya
              And how to decrypt Bulat BM, for example?

              Combat vehicle damask
              Damascus combat vehicle 2
              what does not suit you?
              You can still armored car.

              Quote: Emelya
              Uh ... BM "Oplot" also, it seems, was not accepted.

              Well, so you accepted.
            6. Yemelya
              Yemelya 17 September 2013 20: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              Is it just a Leopard?


              Well, he's not just "Leopard", but "Leopard" -1 with modifications 1A1, 1A2 ...

              Quote: Kars
              what's logical about that?


              The traditional alphanumeric designation, the most convenient in connection with which is the most common, just the BM letters do not carry any meaning.


              Quote: Kars
              Combat vehicle damask
              Damascus combat vehicle 2
              what does not suit you?
              You can still armored car.


              Duc, the fact of the matter is that there is no official decryption.

              Quote: Kars
              Well, you so accepted.


              Yes, maybe I don’t follow. And when?

              And how, in this case, BM "Oplot" was called before adoption?
            7. Kars
              Kars 17 September 2013 20: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Emelya
              Well, he is not just "Leopard", but "Leopard" -1 with modifications 1A1, 1A2.

              Actually, just Leopard first

              Leopard nullserie
              Leopard
              Leopard a1
              Leopard a2
              Quote: Emelya
              The traditional alphanumeric designation, the most convenient in connection with which is the most common, just the BM letters do not carry any meaning.

              and AMX carry? or M? how do they differ from BM?

              Quote: Emelya
              Duc, the fact of the matter is that there is no official decryption.

              and what's the difference for that matter?
              Quote: Emelya
              Yes, maybe I don’t follow. And when?

              In Google banned?
            8. Yemelya
              Yemelya 17 September 2013 21: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              Actually, just Leopard first

              Leopard nullserie
              Leopard
              Leopard a1
              Leopard a2


              But without additional letters, they don’t transmit any information.

              Quote: Kars
              and AMX carry? or M? how do they differ from BM?


              They are supplemented by a number or, say, another letter, which allows them to be used as a designation for a specific model.

              Quote: Kars
              and what's the difference for that matter?


              Uh ... for purely educational purposes, like all my questions on this site. And what?

              Quote: Kars
              In Google banned?


              Laziness, I thought it was easier to ask experts.
            9. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 18 September 2013 00: 08 New
              0
              But without additional letters, they don’t transmit any information.

              BM Oplot-M (Ukrainian) for Thais Oplot-T, for Mexico you can not change;)
              Well, etc. :)
              It would be a convenient machine for the operators, but what they call it is not so important (not important).
            10. Yemelya
              Yemelya 18 September 2013 00: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Jake Danzels
              BM Oplot-M (Ukrainian) for Thais Oplot-T, for Mexico you can not change;)
              Well, etc. :)
              It would be a convenient machine for the operators, but what they call it is not so important (not important).


              So I wonder what BM is, and why they began to call tanks that.
            11. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 19 September 2013 01: 44 New
              0

              Here BM is an Armored Car.
    2. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 20: 47 New
      +1
      ______________
    3. Yemelya
      Yemelya 17 September 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      It turned out that also "Oplot-M" ... and now where "M" has gone.
    4. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 21: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Emelya
      But without additional letters,

      and?
      Quote: Emelya
      They are supplemented by a number or, say, another letter, which allows them to be used as a designation for a specific model.

      What for?
      Quote: Emelya
      Uh ... for purely educational purposes, like all my questions on this site. And what?

      yes so
      Quote: Emelya
      Laziness, I thought it was easier to ask experts.

      with laziness it is necessary to borotsa, the more this is not far to go. Google then.

      Quote: Emelya
      "Oplot-M" ... and now where "M" has gone.

      became BM Oplot
    5. Yemelya
      Yemelya 17 September 2013 21: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Kars
      and?


      Nothing more, statement of fact

      Quote: Kars
      What for?


      What "Why?", Why is the figure added? And how to distinguish one M from another M? By intonation, or what? laughing

      Quote: Kars
      with laziness it is necessary to borotsa, the more this is not far to go. Google then.


      So, the connoisseur Kars is very close.

      Quote: Kars
      became BM Oplot


      Then the BM "Oplot-M", at least, and then the T-84, which was released in 2000, also, it seems, "Oplot".
    6. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 21: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Emelya
      Nothing more, statement of fact

      what fact?
      Quote: Emelya
      What "Why?", Why is the figure added? And how to distinguish one M from another M? By intonation, or what?

      But why distinguish? And why is it necessary to distinguish the letters? And is there any reason to distinguish?

      Quote: Emelya
      So, the connoisseur Kars is very close.

      Google is even closer.
      Quote: Emelya
      Then BM "Oplot-M", at least

      What for?
      Quote: Emelya
      and the T-84, which was released in 2000, is also, it seems, "Oplot".

      that T-84 Bastion, as you like, just the point.
    7. Yemelya
      Yemelya 17 September 2013 22: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Kars
      what fact?


      That the Germans did not attach to the name of the letters just like that.

      Quote: Kars
      But why distinguish? And why is it necessary to distinguish the letters? And is there any reason to distinguish?


      Odd, I don’t know what to answer ... Is there a reason to give different models different names? Do you think that you can limit yourself to one letter for different models? .. Is it like on the planet Plyuk of the Kin-Dza-Dza galaxy, or what?

      Quote: Kars
      that T-84 Bastion, as you like, just the point.


      It is somehow strange to have the T-84 "Oplot" and the BM "Oplot" in service. Paper, of course, will endure everything ...

      Quote: Kars
      the alphanumeric code is not convenient for him, but the alphanumeric is convenient.


      The same alphabetic code for different machines is inconvenient.

      ... and if you look closely, you can see that most of the technical products around have exactly an alphanumeric code or number.

      Quote: Kars
      for example, if we take T-64, what does it carry? that the tank is 64 years old? what is the 64 model? that the model weighs 64 tons? 64 kg?


      The name "T-64" bore a specific model. If there were T-64 "Bulat" and T-64 "Oplot" significantly different in performance characteristics, it would look strange.
    8. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 22: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Emelya
      That the Germans did not attach to the name of the letters just like that.

      what?
      Quote: Emelya
      Odd, I don’t know what to answer ... Is there a reason to give different models different names?

      is.
      But why distinguish the letters then? Damask. Oplot, the difference is not noticeable?
      Quote: Emelya
      It is somehow strange to have the T-84 "Oplot" and BM "Oplot" in service

      And what’s strange? The tanks are different, the name is different, what else is needed?
      Quote: Emelya
      The same alphabetic code for different machines is inconvenient.

      why? what inconvenient BM Bulat BM Oplot?

      Quote: Emelya
      The name "T-64" bore a specific model

      yes not really. BM Damask steel is also a specific model before what?
      Quote: Emelya
      If there were significant differences in performance characteristics of the T-64 "Bulat" and the T-64 "Oplot", it would look strange

      but just a T-Bulat and a T-Oplot would not look as strange as the T-64 and T-80?
    9. Yemelya
      Yemelya 17 September 2013 23: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Kars
      what?


      All.
    10. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 23: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Emelya
      All.

      All? And then?
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 17 September 2013 23: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    is.


    Progress.

    Quote: Kars
    But why distinguish the letters then? Damask. Oplot, the difference is not noticeable?


    Why then BM?

    Quote: Kars
    And what’s strange? The tanks are different, the name is different, what else is needed?


    A T-84 Oplot and BM Oplot?

    Quote: Kars
    yes not really. BM Damask steel is also a specific model before what?


    At first it was a T-64BM Bulat, probably B modernized, then, apparently, the combination of letters BM really liked.

    Quote: Kars
    but just a T-Bulat and a T-Oplot would not look as strange as the T-64 and T-80?


    Really strange, that's why no one called it.
  • Kars
    Kars 17 September 2013 23: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Emelya
    Progress.

    In what?
    Quote: Emelya
    Why then BM?

    why T? ZTZ? AMX?
    Quote: Emelya
    A T-84 Oplot and BM Oplot?

    What? Two different tanks.
    Quote: Emelya
    He first was a T-64BM Bulat,

    Where and when from the beginning? In official documents?
    Quote: Emelya
    Used modernized, then, apparently, the combination of letters BM really liked.

    Well, the T-72BM was what?
    Quote: Emelya
    Really strange, that's why no one called it.

    why is it strange? Different models as you wrote
    Quote: Emelya
    The name "T-64" bore a specific model
    there, too, concrete can you try again to answer questions?

    Quote: Kars
    and with a figure immediately becomes a storehouse of information?

    for example, if we take T-64, what does it carry? that the tank is 64 years old? what is the 64 model? that the model weighs 64 tons? 64 kg?

    so what is t? and why is it worse than BM, and why should there be numbers?
    )))))))))))
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 18 September 2013 00: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    In what?


    So at first it was like this:

    Quote: Kars
    But why distinguish? And why is it necessary to distinguish the letters? And is there any reason to distinguish?


    Quote: Kars
    why T? ZTZ? AMX?

    this is part of the name.

    Quote: Kars
    there, too, concrete can you try again to answer questions?


    Quote: Kars
    so what is t? and why is it worse than BM, and why should there be numbers?


    Numbers are optional, the original code is required.

    Let's look at some examples.

    T-54 tank
    type of weapon, model

    tank T-72 "Ural"
    type of weapon, model, name

    tank T-80BV
    type of weapon, model, modification

    IS-3 tank
    type of weapon, model

    Now for BM:

    tank BM "Oplot"
    type of weapon, further options are possible: if BM is a "Fighting vehicle" or the like, then we just have a clarification of the concept of "tank", which is not at all logical, If BM is a model name, then why does BM have the same model name who is "Bulat"? If the name of a particular sample consists of both parts, then you should write "BM-Oplot" (together / with a hyphen).

    write the T-72 tank or the Ural tank, and you will not get confused, write the BM tank and the Oplot tank, and it is not clear what kind of vehicle we are talking about.

    Quote: Kars
    Where and when from the beginning? In official documents?


    And what is written on the picture you brought?

    Quote: Kars
    Well, the T-72BM was what?


    Yes, it seems that there never was a T-72BM, and if there were, then everything would be logical, model and modification. This would not make him a BM "Ural".
  • Kars
    Kars 18 September 2013 10: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Emelya
    So at first it was like this:

    And so why distinguish?
    Quote: Emelya
    But how to distinguish one M from another M?

    What for?
    Quote: Emelya
    this is part of the name.
    So BM in the name part is impossible?

    Quote: Emelya
    Numbers are optional, the original code is required.

    Quote: Emelya
    write the T-72 tank or the Ural tank, and you will not get confused, write the BM tank and the Oplot tank, and it is not clear what kind of vehicle we are talking about.

    And who writes the BM tank?
    there is only a BM Oplot tank, or BM Oplot, and it is clear that it’s a specific model.
    Quote: Emelya
    And what is written on the picture you brought?

    the picture is not an official document
    Quote: Emelya
    Yes, it seems that there never was a T-72BM, and if there were, then everything would be logical, model and modification. This would not make him a BM "Ural".

    Well, he was renamed the T-90. And it's his problem that he didn’t become BM Vladimir


    Quote: Emelya
    tank T-80BV
    type of weapon, model, modification

    BM Damask
    type of weapon model
    modifications will appear BM Bulat 1 / A.
  • Akim
    Akim 17 September 2013 20: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Emelya
    just the letters BM do not carry any meaning.

    But what's the point in Chinese tanks with the export name ZTZ? BM - it is deciphered that in English, that in Russian / Ukrainian transcription is the same.
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 17 September 2013 21: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    But what's the point in Chinese tanks with the export name ZTZ?


    ZTZ, as I understand it, is used together with a number, which gives an alphanumeric code that is convenient for perception. The letters BM do not carry any information about the object, just like the letters ZTZ or T, or M.

    Everything else, where the abbreviation BM came from, and what it means is not known for certain.
  • Kars
    Kars 17 September 2013 21: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Emelya
    ZTZ, as I understand it, is used together with a number, which gives an alphanumeric code that is convenient for perception

    Yes, I knew for a long time that you are a strange person but not to the same extent)))
    the alphanumeric code is not convenient for him, but the alphanumeric is convenient.
    Quote: Emelya
    The letters BM do not carry any information about the object, just like the letters ZTZ or T, or M.

    and with a figure immediately becomes a storehouse of information?

    for example, if we take T-64, what does it carry? that the tank is 64 years old? what is the 64 model? that the model weighs 64 tons? 64 kg?
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 17 September 2013 22: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    BM - it is deciphered that in English, that in Russian / Ukrainian transcription is the same.


    And how is it deciphered?
  • Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 18 September 2013 00: 23 New
    +3
    BM (Ukrainian) - combat vehicle
    BM (rus) - combat vehicle
    VM (eng) - battle machine
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 18 September 2013 00: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Jake Danzels
    BM (Ukrainian) - combat vehicle
    BM (rus) - combat vehicle
    VM (eng) - battle machine


    The question is what these letters mean. Type of weapon, model, modification?
  • Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 18 September 2013 02: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Jake Danzels
    VM (eng) - battle machine

    ?? belay
    Combat Vehicle - if in English.
  • Akim
    Akim 18 September 2013 04: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    Combat Vehicle - if in English.

    This is more correct, but battle machine can also try on this phrase.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 September 2013 09: 51 New
    13
    You can only be happy for our friends, neighbors. If the military industry of Ukraine is reborn, this is a good sign. So ordinary people in the country will live a little better.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 17 September 2013 10: 32 New
      -5
      You can only be happy for our friends, neighbors. If the military industry of Ukraine is reborn, this is a good sign. So ordinary people in the country will live a little better.


      The main thing is that OUR in Tagil had a job, and for others with a high bell tower.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 September 2013 11: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      You can only be happy for our friends, neighbors. If the military industry of Ukraine is reborn, this is a good sign.


      did you come for "likes"? our "friends - neighbors", in October, will become our likely opponents
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 September 2013 11: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: seller trucks
        in October, will become our likely opponents

        Oh how cool you are !. Let’s drag the base in Sevastopol. This is all nonsense. Finland is also a likely baking dish to Russia?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 17 September 2013 11: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Oh how cool you are !. Let’s drag the base in Sevastopol. This is all nonsense. Finland is also a likely baking dish to Russia?


          Akim, this is not cool, this is the "Light" version, usually I still accompany it with the "three-story" version, which is before Finland:
          The Finnish parliament reviewed a government report on Finland’s defense and security policies. This document completely changes the perception of Russians about their northern neighbor as a neutral country.

          After reading over 100 pages of the report, one gets the impression that Helsinki is almost entirely oriented towards the United States and NATO in matters of military cooperation. So, Suomi has already transferred its army to NATO standards, has purchased and will continue to buy weapons in America and European states, and is going to participate in all military operations of the North Atlantic Alliance. Suomi is also exchanging recently acquired and not yet exhausted Russian Buk-M1 air defense systems for NASAMS systems produced by American and Norwegian companies.


          http://www.rg.ru/2013/02/13/finlyandia-poln.html
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 September 2013 11: 48 New
            +3
            The fact that the Finns have switched to NATO standards is their right, but this does not mean that they are ready to join the bloc. Do not divide into "red and white", the world is not so easy to unfold as in that game. Even now (and before), before the possible signing of the Association Agreement, Ukraine and Russia were not allies (Ukraine is a non-aligned state), but only strategic partners.
            1. jasper
              jasper 17 September 2013 22: 43 New
              0
              but only strategic partners.

              I'm not a freeloader, I'm a partner (s) mmm
              1. Akim
                Akim 18 September 2013 05: 02 New
                0
                Quote: yasenpen
                I'm not a freeloader, I'm a partner (s) mmm

                Everyone can count in different ways. I understand this informational stereotype has developed. At the end of the life of the "mighty and indestructible" in the Ukrainian SSR, there was a similar deza: they say Ukraine feeds everyone.
  • Rusal
    Rusal 17 September 2013 09: 54 New
    +2
    instead of whether Thais will refuse them as Iraqis abandoned armored personnel carriers?
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 September 2013 10: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: rusal
      but will Thais refuse them

      They didn’t refuse from the three. They even increased the order.
    2. Donetsk
      Donetsk 17 September 2013 10: 22 New
      +3
      Iraqis didn’t refuse armored personnel carriers, the government simply changed and they asked who should be brought in, and now they are waiting for new parties as soon as possible.
  • Donetsk
    Donetsk 17 September 2013 10: 16 New
    +6
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 17 September 2013 10: 42 New
    23
    That's what SLAVENOPHOBES settled here on the site, there is no reason to be happy for NEIGHBORS, after all (Kharkiv) KINNELS of the legendary Soviet TANK ... hi

    But no, if only to pour "POMOY" what kind of "little people" ... stop

    And on the account - BETTER / WORSE - let them hold joint COMPETITIONS, everything is known in comparison ... drinks
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 September 2013 10: 49 New
      12
      Quote: sergey158-29
      no that would be happy for NEIGHBORS


      The Zhlobov principle applies here - I don’t have a cow, even let the neighbor die!
    2. Manager
      Manager 17 September 2013 10: 57 New
      +8
      Quote: sergey158-29
      And on the account - BETTER / WORSE - let them hold joint COMPETITIONS, everything is known in comparison ...

      Here Armata will appear, we will arrange "Biathlon")))
    3. maxvet
      maxvet 17 September 2013 19: 20 New
      0
      Quote: sergey158-29
      after all (Kharkiv) THE KYRGYSTALS of the legendary Soviet TANKS ...

      If you mean the legendary tanks, then I agree (except for KV), if the Soviet do not agree, the ancestors are Gorky
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 17 September 2013 11: 03 New
    0
    Thailand buys this too good .. there is room for tanks ..)))
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 11: 43 New
      +4
      M60A1 Flag of the United States.svg USA Main battle tank 53 [1]
      M60A3 Flag of the United States.svg USA Main battle tank 125 [1]
      Type 69 Flag of the People's Republic of China.svg PRC Main battle tank 50 [1]
      M48A5 Flag of the United States.svg USA Medium Tank 105 [1]
      M41 Bulldog Flag of the United States.svg USA light tank 255 [1]
      FV101 Scorpion Flag of the United Kingdom.svg United Kingdom light tank 104 [1] 50 stored
      Stingray Flag of the United States.svg USA light tank 106 [1]
      Armored reconnaissance vehicles
      Shorland S52 Flag of Australia.svg Australia Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle 32 [1]
      M1114 HMMWV Flag of the United States.svg USA Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle
      Armored personnel carriers
      BTR-3E1 Flag of Ukraine.svg Ukraine armored personnel carrier 143 [2] total 96 (+6) ordered. Option 121.
      APC Condor Flag of Germany.svg Germany armored personnel carrier 18 [1]
      LAV-150 Commando Flag of the United States.svg USA armored personnel carrier 142 [1]
      M113A1 / A3 Flag of the United States.svg USA armored personnel carrier 340 [1]
      "Type 85" /
      YW-351H Flag of the People's Republic of China.svg PRC armored personnel carrier 450 [1]
  • uncapital
    uncapital 17 September 2013 11: 04 New
    10
    All these statements like "yes, our T-90s are better," but their "Oplots" do not have a sufficient level of protection, "yes, their" TV sets "are easy to damage from small arms, etc. - just anti-advertising. It is clear that the factory capabilities of Russia and Ukraine are not yet comparable (I mean the number of equipment produced). "Oplot" tank worthy. There are pluses, there are minuses, this has all been discussed before, I will not repeat myself. The good news is that Ukrainians do not stand still, how they can advance. I think that over time they will come in the right amount and their army. Progress on the face. Manufacturing 49 pcs. - very well. As they say, Moscow was not built immediately. Over time, the Kharkov plant will be on the right track !!!
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 September 2013 12: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: non-captain
      The good news is that Ukrainians do not stand still, as they can advance.


      move on then they move on, another question, where?

      Quote: non-captain
      I think that over time they will arrive in the right amount and their army.


      I’m embarrassed to ask what kind of shisha?

      Quote: non-captain
      Progress on the face. Production 49 pcs. - very good.


      Well, yes, probably, but if there are no other orders, the plant will be banned, at the end of 2012 a bankruptcy procedure has begun.

      Quote: non-captain
      Over time, the Kharkov plant will be on the right track !!!


      laughing yeah, and will start collecting steam locomotives
  • major071
    major071 17 September 2013 11: 17 New
    +7
    I would like to look from the inside, touch the pens, see what the whole fire control system is. Then compare with ours.
  • andruha70
    andruha70 17 September 2013 12: 26 New
    -9
    14 September 2013 at the landfill near the village of Chuguev (Kharkiv region) took place successful fire tests of two MBTs "Oplot", manufactured at the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" under the contract of the Ukrspecexport GC with the Royal Thai Army (Kingdom of Thailand).
    and Ukraine "dolyanu" from this deal, Russia will pay? I may be a "teapot", but "Oplot" is a modernization of a SOVIET tank ... but it seems that only Russia has undertaken the obligation of the former USSR. wink
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 September 2013 12: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: andruha70
      I may be a "teapot", but "Oplot" is an upgrade of a SOVIET tank

      I won’t repeat. You yourself gave an assessment. T-64,72,80, etc. the intellectual property of the enterprise, not the country.
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 17 September 2013 17: 19 New
        +2
        T-64,72,80, etc. the intellectual property of the enterprise, not the country.
        with all due respect, but ... is this the same enterprise, was it hanging in the air? Or did it fall from the moon? or nevertheless, it was built (and worked there) by the citizens of the TOU country in whose territory it was built ... mind you, not Ukrainians, Russians or Uzbeks, but Soviet citizens. so maybe you don’t have to call it Oplot, but just say : upgraded T-64,72,80, etc. it was sold to this and that and that ... I repeat, the obligations of the USSR, only Russia took upon itself ... everyone else, a bench press bench ... so the intellectual property of the Country of Soviets belongs to Russia. as I understand it, cons citizens of Ukraine threw me cons? ... lol
        1. Kars
          Kars 17 September 2013 17: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: andruha70
          I’m repeating myself — the obligations of the USSR — only Russia took upon itself ... all the others, a bench press bench ... that means the intellectual property of the Country of Soviets — belongs to Russia.

          Find documentary evidence of this.

          As for the obligations - well, so she took over the USSR’s foreign property. Debts of third countries to the USSR, it’s just as interesting where the money was from the USSR Savings Bank, how they divided the USSR’s gold and diamond reserves. Money on foreign economic accounts.
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 17 September 2013 17: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: andruha70
          . I repeat, the obligations of the USSR, only Russia took upon itself

          the idea of ​​the Russian Federation as the full successor of the USSR, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality. The Russian Federation assumed the entire external debt of the USSR in exchange for the inheritance of the USSR membership in international organizations and obligations under many international treaties, as well as the right to receive debts of other countries to the former USSR.
          The Russian Federation is not the only successor to the USSR. The successors of the USSR are all 15 states that were former Soviet republics. Russia acts as the exclusive assignee of the USSR in only three aspects:
          1. According to international treaties concluded by the Soviet Union, for example, on arms reduction, UN membership, etc.
          2. For foreign assets, that is, property of the USSR outside the former USSR;
          3. By external obligations of the USSR (that is, simply speaking of debts);
          In all other matters, the successors of the USSR are all 15 post-Soviet states. In particular, in matters of former Soviet property located on the territory of these states, in territorial matters, and all others.
          with respect hi
          1. jasper
            jasper 17 September 2013 18: 59 New
            -3
            All 15 states that were former Soviet republics are the successors of the USSR

            Ie Russian Ivan for debts, give it to the rich income?
            well settled, but the legal success is only 100% everything else is the good will of Russia
          2. andruha70
            andruha70 17 September 2013 19: 19 New
            +2
            self-propelled-thank you so much for the clarification! always happy to replenish your mind with practical information! hi (it still didn’t harm anyone smile ) As for Kars: my post about "dollyana" was a joke. tongue (smiley face winks in the same place) but since you are so fucked up, I will answer: I don’t care about “documentary evidence” I don’t care about “foreign property” and “how the gold, diamond reserve was divided” but I don’t care that our fathers and grandfathers done, being citizens of the USSR! Have you invented this tank from scratch? no ... (my, your, fathers and grandfathers invented it) and if you hung some kind of body kit on it, and some kind of electronics screwed on, then write - modernized by the Ukrainian industry, so that ... don't fucking screw your own names to to what you and I have nothing to do with.
        3. LINX
          LINX 18 September 2013 00: 59 New
          0
          I repeat, the obligations of the USSR, only Russia took upon itself ... everyone else, a bench press bench ... so the intellectual property of the Country of Soviets belongs to Russia

          How many times already write - intellectual property on the products of the USSR no one, without even getting into the "jungle" of inheritance under the laws of even Ukraine, even the Russian Federation - copyright for a maximum of 10 years + extension by 10. After the collapse of the USSR, 22 years have passed, any product of the USSR can officially be made even by Honduras, if it can of course ...
  • gych
    gych 17 September 2013 12: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: pahom54
    I would like to add that these tanks were created on the basis of the Soviet ones, and the article says "thank you for your confidence in the Ukrainian military equipment" ... Which Ukrainian one? What have they done independently over the years?

    you are probably the only Russian who did not call "stronghold". 90pcs / year is even less than a little! Until the Ukrainian forces buy a more or less large batch of business! Who wants to buy tanks from the country that will not really be in service with this country ?! (30pcs. Is not serious
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 17 September 2013 12: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: gych
      ! until the whole of Ukraine doesn’t buy a smaller party, who will want to buy tanks from the country that really will not be in service with this country?! (10pcs. this is not serious

      And she will not buy them, the reason is banal - there is no money and never will be.
    2. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 19: 02 New
      +1
      The mainstay is exclusively a prototype. not a single batch has been released yet
  • mithridate
    mithridate 17 September 2013 14: 22 New
    0
    fishless and cancer
  • Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 17 September 2013 14: 23 New
    +4
    Again, dirt on each other because of iron whose "cooler" what's the difference ?! In the event of any conflict with third countries, only three countries will be sure, we are Ukraine and Belarusians, maybe Kazakhs and that's it!
    1. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 19: 03 New
      0
      and you go to Unian or any Western Bandera site, instantly heal from the "brotherhood"
      1. morpex
        morpex 17 September 2013 21: 14 New
        0
        Quote: yasenpen
        Again, dirt on each other because of iron whose "cooler" what's the difference ?! In the event of any conflict with third countries, only three countries will be sure, we are Ukraine and Belarusians, maybe Kazakhs and that's it!

        So it will be. As in the song: why, to be stronger, we need a war ... "

        Quote: yasenpen
        and you go to Unian or any Western Bandera site, instantly heal from the "brotherhood"

        Do not dear judge Ukrainians on the affairs of a handful of villains. And you and we have enough of them. Even here on the site.
  • Paul
    Paul 17 September 2013 14: 25 New
    +2
    I am not Russian and not Ukrainian

    conclusion that it is better to Hold the Oplot or T-90 from the news

    India will purchase 235
    produced by
    Russian license
    T-90 tanks
    September 17, 2013, Rosbalt
    Defense Procurement Council
    Ministry of Defense of India
    approved production in the country 235
    T-90 tanks received from
    Russian licenses. As the newspaper writes
    Times of India with reference to
    source in the defense department, in
    soon to be posted
    corresponding order for their
    production totaling 60
    billion rupees (about $ 1 billion).
    The agreement was signed in
    February 2001 Between
    2020, India plans to collect
    under the license of 1 thousand T-90 tanks.
    Earlier in August, an Indian company
    Bharat Dynamics Limited and
    Ministry of Defense of India
    signed a supply contract
    large batch of managed
    tank shells "Invar" for
    T-90 tanks, also produced
    here according to received from Russia
    licenses. Delivery expected
    will be implemented within
    next five years.
    1. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 17 September 2013 14: 29 New
      +6
      conclusion that it is better to Hold the Oplot or T-90 from the news

      Copy paste is protected.
      Such a conclusion can be made only after joint military trials, hints like this are being sold, but this one is not in this case not appropriate because there is such a thing as the sphere of political influence of the country. Who do you think has this "sphere" more? And I want to add, during the Soviet era, a plant for the production of T-72 was built in India, is it appropriate in this case to choose this tank as the basis for the Indian armed forces?

      Answer my questions and we will continue to talk.
  • Paul
    Paul 17 September 2013 14: 34 New
    0
    I personally Mercedes McLaren - better, but it costs 1000000 raccoons killed

    one can argue to death only war reveals what is better in armament (((
  • amber-50
    amber-50 17 September 2013 15: 58 New
    0
    That's the whole point, you can design a super-tank and make it in the amount of 2 pieces, and then 5 years to prove to potential customers what kind of super-duper it is (though it’s not worth arming).
  • ShtyrliTTS
    ShtyrliTTS 17 September 2013 16: 40 New
    +2
    Worse, better; deep modernization or not deep, recently some kind of tendency has developed on the site. The tendency to scold everything Ukrainian. I'm generally happy for the s, and I think that the tank is good. It is also built on the basis of Soviet developments and decisions that , by the way, they are very criticized when discussing Russian tanks, separately. And when you need to compare the T-90 with the Oplot, then, forgive me, the Ukrainian product is g ... but, but “our tanks are fast.” Someone complains that the stronghold in service is not worth it, because the fact is that there is no money (it hurts a lot), and not because the car is bad. Two tanks are excellent
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 17 September 2013 17: 00 New
      +3
      This is how complexes in banderlogs appear. Do not pay attention, the significance of these people, as well as their opinions, is slightly less than zero.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 September 2013 19: 57 New
    +2
    I just can’t imagine which tank could be muddied by joint efforts, if our gentlemen did not quarrel!
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      1. jasper
        jasper 17 September 2013 23: 03 New
        -1
        cons and, as always, without motivation, apparently not in the eyebrow, but in the eye
    2. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 17 September 2013 23: 23 New
      +2
      The plane has already been "muddied", unfortunately. I suspect a tank would have been the same story. But if without politics, then I think, of course, we could. Both the Ukrainian and Russian sides have something to offer each other, but politics is such a policy ...
  • dimann271
    dimann271 17 September 2013 21: 49 New
    0
    Brothers, what is the bazaar about? Rides, bullets in different directions, maybe, where it gets!
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 17 September 2013 21: 51 New
    0
    In my opinion, "Oplot" tanks, "Breakthrough" tanks are all tanks of the same level with minor amendments plus or minus. Therefore, disputes with whom the muzzle is longer are not appropriate) There are still production opportunities, the ability to sell, the composition of the technical base and the prospects for the development of new generations.
    1. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 22: 47 New
      -3
      minus big. production opportunity and orders able to recoup their development while the stronghold walks
      1. jasper
        jasper 17 September 2013 23: 04 New
        -3
        and silence and the dead with braids stand (s) apparently .. it’s boiling a lot, but essentially nothing to say laughing
        1. Jake danzels
          Jake danzels 18 September 2013 00: 29 New
          +2
          You walk along the street, I see a sick person, I’ll go around.

          Do you get the point?

          You can also use the proverb "Don't touch the city. It will stink"
  • LINX
    LINX 18 September 2013 01: 13 New
    0
    Here's another topic of the interview with the general director of the Malyshev plant, the enterprise is developing and it has a future.

    “The plant named after V. Malyshev is pursuing a policy of reducing dependence on external suppliers and creating independent tank production in Kharkov,” said Vadim Fedosov, general director of the enterprise.
    “We are going to master the production of guns, rollers, tracks and other products at the plant. This will exclude dependence on the import component as much as possible. We hope to do tank electronics, thermal imaging equipment, and software development, ”says V. Fedosov.
    In his opinion, the maximum closure of production to itself will allow to overcome the inefficiency and inertness of still intra-union inter-production cooperation.
    “The task is to close the production cycle inside the Concern as much as possible in order to increase the profits of enterprises. We are ready to fulfill it, ”says V. Fedosov.
    He stressed that the reform of the enterprise began two years ago with the entry into the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies.
    “Two years ago, few would have believed that during this time the enterprise would launch the full-scale serial production of the Oplot MBT, and the first combat vehicle would be presented to the customer. However, we coped with this stage, ”said the General Director of the State Enterprise“ Plant named after V.A. Malysheva »Vadim FEDOSOV.
    “The actions of the staff of our company in mastering the serial production of Oplotov are nothing but a real labor feat. The development of mass production took place under the most severe time pressure and financial constraints, ”says the Director General.
    The complexity of the serial launch was that the enterprise did not produce serial tanks for a very long period, and Oplot, compared to the T-80UD, previously supplied by the factory in Pakistan, has a production complication factor of 1,8.
    Currently, the plant continues to produce Oplot tanks. Now five tanks for the Kingdom of Thailand are in the final stages of readiness.
    "MBT" Oplot "- one of the most difficult combat vehicles in the world. The preparation of production and the launch of its serial production requires powerful financial investments and a wide time frame. I will give examples from the history of the plant. In the 70s. of the last century, the preparation for the production of the T-64B tank (a complication rate of 30%), which replaced the T-64A, took 5 years and cost the equivalent of 640 million US dollars. In the 80s. the transition to serial production of the T-80UD (complication rate - 50%) took 4 years and cost the equivalent of 920 million dollars. The development of the Oplot production took one year and cost 31 million US dollars with a complication rate of 80%. According to economic calculations, at least 1,2 billion dollars were needed for this. This task seems impossible. However, with the support of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies and due to the mobilization of internal reserves, the plant withstood and prepared for the necessary pace of production, ”V. Fedosov said.
    1. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 18 September 2013 02: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: LINX
      Here's another topic of the interview with the general director of the Malyshev plant, the enterprise is developing and it has a future.

      high live! drinks
  • Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 18 September 2013 02: 39 New
    +2
    A bit poddolbalo jealous and disdainful attitude towards the development of Ukrainian tank builders (and not only tank builders). The opinion that Ukrainians cannot create anything seems to be auto-training for our jingoistic patriots, so that we can fall asleep in peace, knowing that "we are yes, and they are not."
    As if Ukrainian engineers did not study at the same universities. It is as if heavy ballistic missiles, currently armed with Russia, were not created in Dnepropetrovsk. As if the Russian BTA does not fly on Anah ...
    I propose that all participants in the discussion establish a special award and fiercely, passionately plus:

    - The first person to ask if "Oplot" works on bacon
    - One hundred and first members of the forum who wrote that "Oplot" is nothing more than a modernized Soviet development
    - To the author of the two hundred first message on the topic "a little more than brilliant T-64 is better than the mobilization cheap stuff T-72"

    On the topic: I’m happy for the Ukrainian tank builders, this is a serious export deal. But I hope that in the international market we will still fight. wink
    1. Just
      Just 18 September 2013 13: 35 New
      -4
      Quote: Uncle Serezha
      As if Ukrainian engineers did not study at the same universities.

      In fact, Russian engineers study at Russian universities, and Ukrainian, respectively, at Ukrainian.
      Quote: Uncle Serezha
      The opinion that the Ukrainians cannot create anything is apparently auto-training for our jingoistic patriots, so that we can fall asleep, knowing that "we are yes, but they are not."

      In fact, in the world, Russian tanks are bought by HUNDREDS, and by Ukrainian PIECES. The market shows the true state of things, not mythical cheers-patriotism. No one buys Ukrainian products as they buy domestic. This is the reason for neglect of the possibilities of modern Ukraine.
      Quote: Uncle Serezha
      It is as if heavy ballistic missiles, currently armed with Russia, were not created in Dnepropetrovsk. As if the Russian BTA does not fly on Anah ...

      Be careful when reading - this is not about the possibilities of SOVIET, but of an independent Ukraine. Your words also refute you - before Ukraine produced what was bought all over the world - airplanes, tanks, etc., and now what?
      Quote: Uncle Serezha
      I propose that all participants in the discussion establish a special award and fiercely, passionately plus:

      - The first person to ask if "Oplot" works on bacon
      - One hundred and first members of the forum who wrote that "Oplot" is nothing more than a modernized Soviet development
      - To the author of the two hundred first message on the topic "a little more than brilliant T-64 is better than the mobilization cheap stuff T-72"

      This is cheers-patriotism, only with the opposite sign.
      Quote: Uncle Serezha
      On the topic: I’m happy for the Ukrainian tank builders, this is a serious export deal. But I hope that in the international market we will still fight. wink

      It seems to me that one should not rejoice at the successes of the state leading the anti-Russian policy. Can a sane person rejoice at the successes of the military industry of a state whose air defense units (and not only) killed our military in Georgia? Do you not understand that if tomorrow is the war, the Ukrainian army will again fight on the side of our enemy, and anyone would only be against us? You would have rejoiced at the successes of American tank building.
      1. Phase
        Phase 18 September 2013 14: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Simpleton
        In fact, in the world, Russian tanks are bought by HUNDREDS, and by Ukrainian PIECES. The market shows the true state of things, not mythical cheers-patriotism.

        Dear, here we have already written above that contracts for the supply of military equipment are not only (and often not so much) a consequence of its quality, but the result of other non-market mechanisms. Political factors and leverage. The possibilities of Ukraine in this regard are much more modest than the Russian ones, which makes the Ukrainian defense contracts MORE worthy of respect.
        As for the fact that Ukraine will fight against us-do not make me laugh.
        And about the fact that Ukrainians are wary of us - this is the result of statements like yours.
  • Akim
    Akim 18 September 2013 05: 20 New
    +1
    For those who are haunted by the question of fat as a fuel - I will answer. Biodiesel can be produced from fat (this has long been known and not Ukrainian know-how), but 1 kg of fat is approximately = 1 liter of fuel. Can you imagine how many pigs you need to put under a knife? There is enough cheaper material for biodiesel. But in Ukraine there are no enterprises for its processing yet.
  • skif33
    skif33 18 September 2013 15: 49 New
    +1
    For the money allocated for the development of this vehicle, Ukraine has created a very good MBT. I think if funds comparable to the development of the T-95 / "Armata", "Black Panther", "Abrams", "Leclerc", etc. would be thrown at its development. it would create a machine that would be twenty years ahead of its competitors.