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The head of Chechnya opened a monument to the heroines of the fight against Russian troops under the command of Yermolov

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The head of Chechnya opened a monument to the heroines of the fight against Russian troops under the command of Yermolov

The figure of the Russian commander and statesman, the “conqueror of the Caucasus”, Alexei Petrovich Yermolov, remains his pointer, defining the attitude of a person to stories Russia. For Caucasian nationalists and liberals, Yermolov is a “strangler of freedom and executioner” who conducted ethnic cleansing. For patriots, statists - the Russian general, an excellent example of imperial policy, which is tough, but generally leads to the prosperity of the state, the suppression of savagery and progress.


Unfortunately, the current policy of Moscow towards the Caucasian regions remains strategically erroneous. It is impossible to eliminate the fundamental contradictions by economic measures. How many wolves do not feed, he still looks into the forest. Economic measures should be part of a holistic strategy to create a single “empire” (Russia has always been and will be an imperial formation), and not to replace it. The logical end of the Second Chechen War would be a large-scale administrative-territorial reform, with the complete elimination of the "titular" republics. It was also necessary to investigate all the crimes of 1990-s in the Chechen Republic, when an act of genocide of Russians occurred in it, with the almost complete liquidation of the Russian presence in Chechnya.

However, the federal authorities took a more flexible path. Like, territorial integrity is preserved, and good. The strategic consequences of this step are very sad. The Chechen Republic actually fell out of the single legal field of Russia, it began to create a state entity based on Sharia. On the one hand, one could rejoice - Kadyrov does not allow the "underground" to play pranks, he maintains order in the republic. Compared with neighboring Dagestan and Ingushetia, in Chechnya is quite stable and safe. But in strategic terms, this is Russia's defeat. Moscow signed in its weakness, giving power to the Chechen leader.

Naturally, processes are gradually taking place in the Chechen Republic (and throughout the North Caucasus) that undermine Russia's national security, lead to its dismemberment, the growth of separatist, nationalist and Wahhabi tendencies. So, a significant event happened recently in Chechnya - the head of the republic unveiled a monument to the heroines of the fight against the troops of Yermolov. Many will say - so what? What's the big deal? The bottom line is that in a single state there should be single heroes, people who hold historical memory, national myths are built. For Russia, they are Svyatoslav, Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Sergiy, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Yermolov ... When people begin to praise people who fought against the empire in ethnic state formations, they create their own national myths, this is a failure of the center's policy. A strategic mistake that leads to a new big blood in the future.

Similar "bells" can be noted in other regions, which according to the plans of Russia's external enemies, should lead to the launch of the "Syrian (Yugoslav) scenario" in the Russian Federation. Thus, in 2012, a proposal appeared to decorate Privokzalnaya Square in the capital of Tatarstan with a monument to the founder of the Kazan Khanate, Ulu Mohammed (1405-1445), who was noted for his predatory raids on the Russian principalities. This is a very dangerous trend. It's simple. There is a common, imperial ideology, program and development goal of Russia or each national region begins to build its historical myth. What myth will be developed in the national republics is understandable. We already know examples of the Baltic, Transcaucasian, Central Asian republics, Ukraine, where "Russian (Soviet) invaders" are to blame for all troubles. Even in Byelorussia, the myth of the “Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Russian”, which prevented the Moscow Principality from living, gradually began to be built.

At present, there is no nationwide ideology in Russia, and consumption growth cannot replace it. Naturally, a holy place is never empty. Strengthens its position radical Islam. In Kazan, they recall the "great khans." In Chechnya, they talk about the 300-year-old heroic confrontation of little Chechnya and Russia, about the struggle for "freedom", etc.

Monument in Chechnya

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, opened a memorial to the Chechens, who sacrificed themselves in battles with the Russian imperial troops during the Caucasian War. Let me remind you, in 1817 — 1864. there was a Caucasian war, during which the Russian army broke down the resistance of the mountain peoples of the northern slopes of the Main Caucasian Range, including the mountaineers of Chechnya and Dagestan. Thus, Russia has strengthened its military-strategic position, eliminated the raiding (predatory) system of the Highlanders, and pacified these territories. It is clear that war is war, rigidity and blood in war is a common thing. The main thing is that the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the region benefited from the establishment of peace and legality on these lands.

The monument, opened by the head of Chechnya, first appeared in the 1990 year. Then it was just a hill with several tombstones mounted on top. Since that time, it is constantly supplemented. The last but one reconstruction took place in 2009. In the summer of 2013, at the initiative of the head of the republic, a major overhaul of the structure was carried out. Memorial "Dadi-Yurt" is a composition in the form of a mountain range, in the middle of which rises the Chechen military tower. The monument is highlighted, a bridge leads to it through a channel, the territory around it is refined, lampposts are installed.

The memorial to the victims of the tragedy in the village of Dadi-Yurt in the Gudermes district, according to Chechen researchers, is located on the site where it was destroyed by the order of General A.P. Yermolov village of the same name. 14 September 1819, a detachment of Major General Vasily Sysoev consisting of six companies of the Kabardian Regiment and several hundred Cossacks approached the village of Dadi-Yurt. The reason for the punitive expedition was a raid in which Chechens hijacked a herd of horses from one of the regiments of the Caucasian line. According to General Yermolov, this aul was chosen as the target of a punitive expedition, because the residents of Dadi-Yurt were engaged in robbery and grew rich due to raids on Cossack settlements. Sysoev suggested that the residents of the settlement leave their homes and retreat beyond Sunzha. But the mountaineers refused. Russian troops attacked the village. The fight was extremely fierce. With the help of guns, they broke down the fence, then stormed the houses surrounded by stone walls. In a fierce hand-to-hand fight, the defenders of the village were killed. Among the dead were many women and children. Many were killed by the heads of families themselves in order to save them from captivity. Others committed suicide themselves, or threw knives at the soldiers. 14 captured the wounded men, one hundred forty women and children who asked for mercy. The village was completely destroyed and no longer restored. According to Chechen historians, the next day, while crossing the 46 Terek, the captured Chechen girls, taking with them Russian soldiers, rushed into the turbulent river. The legend is beautiful, but dubious. Fragile girls drown healthy fighters of the Caucasian corps, having a long war experience?

In memory of this event, on the initiative of the head of the Chechen Republic, the Day of the Chechen woman was established, it is celebrated annually on the third Sunday of September. According to the first deputy head of the Department for Relations with Religious and Public Organizations of the Administration of the Head of Chechnya, Abdulla Istamulov, the opening of the memorial cannot in any way offend the feelings of the other citizens of Russia. Istamulov told the Vzglyad newspaper that this is not an anti-Russian act or a trial of rewriting history, the Chechens have the right to perpetuate their history. “This is a confirmation of historical fact as such. If Yermolov or someone else for someone in the country is to a certain extent heroes, then for others they may not be such, ”said the political scientist. According to him, “For three hundred years Chechnya opposed the Russian Empire only because of one thing - because of freedom, and freedom for a Chechen is an opportunity to practice their religion and follow their traditions. Today we have enough of this opportunity, it is beneficial for Chechens to live in Russia and Chechens love Russia. ”

However, not everyone in Russia agrees with this point of view. Many understand or feel that this is a threat. Thus, the Bureau of “Officers of Russia” addressed President Vladimir Putin with a proposal to respond to the opening in Chechnya of a memorial to Chechen women who died while defending the village of Dadi-Yurt by installing a monument to General Yermolov in Moscow. Pavel Pyatnitsky, a member of the Presidium of the “Officers of Russia” organization in Russia, called to recall what caused the storming of the village. The actions of the Russian troops was quite a common response to a predatory raid. Robber's nest was destroyed. At that time, Russia did not stand on ceremony with enemies and robbers; humanism and tolerance, which are now destroying the national states of Europe and the white race as a whole, were not yet in vogue.

Pyatnitsky considers the initiative of the head of Chechnya doubtful. He invited the Russian president to assess the actions of Kadyrov as the head of the Chechen Republic. A representative of a public organization that unites veterans, charities, sports-patriotic and human rights associations of the federal and regional level believes that the figure of Yermolov is quite comparable in value with Stolypin, whose monument stands near the Government House in Moscow. Therefore, the monument to A. P. Yermolov should stand in a place of honor in one of the capitals of Russia.

With Pyatnitsky difficult to disagree. Alexey Petrovich Ermolov received baptism of fire during the Polish campaign under the command of Alexander Suvorov. Distinguished in the storming of Warsaw. He participated in the Persian campaign 1796, distinguished himself during the storming of Derbent. Yermolov showed himself well in the anti-French campaigns 1805 and 1806-1807, distinguished himself in the battles of Austerlitz and at Preisish-Eylau. He returned to Russia with a reputation as one of the first artillerymen of the Russian army. During the Patriotic War, 1812, Yermolov distinguished himself in the battle of Borodino, where he beat Rayevsky's battery from the enemy and was injured. Yermolov played an important role in the battle of Maloyaroslavets, which forced the French army to turn to the old, already devastated path, which led to its catastrophe. In the battle of Kulm, Yermolov led the 1 Guards Division, and after injuring General Osterman-Tolstoy, he led the entire combined detachment. Guardsmen Yermolov saved the feat of the entire Allied army, ensuring the defeat of the enemy corps. Yermolov distinguished himself in the famous “Battle of the Nations” near Leipzig. In 1816, Lieutenant-General Yermolov headed the Separate Caucasian Corps, became manager of the Caucasus and Astrakhan. The "Proconsul of the Caucasus" rules them almost sovereignly, with a clear calculation, systematically, persistently and energetically carrying out his plan for reconciling the region. Ermolov was the Caucasian governor until the beginning of the Russian-Persian war, in 1827, he was replaced by Paskevich.

The hero of World War 1812, Foreign campaigns of the Russian army and the Caucasian war, a skilled manager Yermolov - is worthy of the memory of the Russian people.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 17 September 2013 07: 17 New
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    The unfinished "Caucasian Question" has come up with more than once ...
    Have you decided to tame the wolf with sweets?
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 17 September 2013 07: 31 New
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      Sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich fought with the Caucasus for 50 years. request
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 17 September 2013 07: 40 New
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        Quote: Valery Neon
        I read this .... I would like to hear the Kremlin’s reaction, I’ve only got a normative .... in Russia to put a “monument to the heroes” against RUSSIA ... Uhhh! In response, only a monument to the RUSSIAN SOLDIER IN THE CENTER OF GROZNY!

        Mdya The local prince is completely overwhelmed.

        Something must be done with the street and the monument to them. Kadyrov in Butovo.




        Although the attempts were already a couple of years ago:

        Pork heads planted at Kadyrov’s monument in Moscow


        Police officers have already studied footage of video recordings of outdoor surveillance cameras installed near the monument. So far, the identities of the perpetrators who defiled the monument have not been established. A criminal case has been instituted on the fact of the incident under article 213 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Hooliganism.”) In a conversation with Interfax, a law enforcement official emphasized that what the criminals had done could be considered a serious insult, since in Islam, professed by Akhmat Kadyrov, the pig is considered unclean animals, and the Koran forbids eating its meat for food.

        http://www.altynsarin.ru/kaz_news/4369-k-pamyatniku-kadyrovu-v-moskve-podbrosili
        -svinye-golovy.html
        1. MG42
          MG42 17 September 2013 07: 48 New
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          Quote: GreatRussia
          Something must be done with the street and the monument to them. Kadyrov in Butovo.

          Yes .. how this monument harmonizes as a “tombstone” among Moscow high-rises .. belay You can only sympathize with the local, although Muscovites did not get used to the influx of visitors since the Soviet era was the term "limit"? now even harder, Moscow is not rubber ..
          1. astra
            astra 17 September 2013 08: 49 New
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            The head of Chechnya opened a monument to the heroines of the fight against Russian troops under the command of Yermolov

            Yeah ... the power has finally softened. Not only that, it allows you to transfer a monument to a bronze soldier in the Baltic states and infringe on the Russian-speaking population, to blame yourself, etc., so now it is already turning a blind eye to the opening of anti-Russian monuments. Stalin did not have enough for them; he would have quickly put them in their place.
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 17 September 2013 11: 21 New
              14

              Yeah ... the power has finally softened. Not only that, it allows you to transfer a monument to a bronze soldier in the Baltic


              Medvedev then pledged with this bastard, and now Gazprom is ready to give them a discount on gas.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 17 September 2013 11: 44 New
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                Quote: zvereok
                Medvedev then pledged with this bastard, and now Gazprom is ready to give them a discount on gas.

                Again Medvedev is to blame ?! belay

                With the advent of Medvedev, Chubais’s position, as the main culprit of all troubles, was greatly shaken laughing
                1. zvereok
                  zvereok 17 September 2013 13: 54 New
                  +8
                  Nevertheless, the fact remains. In addition, it was Medvedev who handed the order to Gorbatom.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 17 September 2013 14: 10 New
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                    Quote: zvereok
                    Nevertheless, the fact remains. In addition, it was Medvedev who handed the order to Gorbatom.

                    That is, the fact that Vova pledged with Ramzan 10 times more than Dima and handed the order to EBNu does not seem to matter?
                    1. zvereok
                      zvereok 17 September 2013 14: 29 New
                      +2
                      And what does Vova have to do with it? I kind of talked about Medvedev, Vova has his own article.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 17 September 2013 14: 48 New
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                        Despite the fact that as soon as it comes to negativity, they immediately find a scapegoat in the person of Dima, and about Vova, mowing down several times more than Dima and making Dima either the prime minister or the president, he is modestly silent.

                        So, in this case, for some reason, you remembered how Dima “pledged with this bastard” and how “it was Medvedev who handed the order to the hunchback,” and why didn’t you remember why Vova was doing the same thing?
                      2. zvereok
                        zvereok 17 September 2013 15: 01 New
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                        Because Dima is a shit drain, and it stinks more from him.
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 17 September 2013 15: 49 New
                        +8
                        Quote: zvereok
                        Because Dima is a shit drain, and it stinks more from him.

                        Govnootvoda from whom - who is the cause of the appearance of shit?
                      4. zvereok
                        zvereok 17 September 2013 16: 59 New
                        +3
                        Well, the most holy naturally, who else? Only he, as an exception, also does good deeds sometimes. And in world politics, not bad. And Dimon is just a shit.
                      5. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 17 September 2013 19: 38 New
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                        Quote: zvereok
                        Only he, as an exception, also does good deeds sometimes
                        If in the barnyard the farmer began to intensively feed any particular animal, this does not mean at all that he is doing a good deed against her.

                        The president has no good and not good deeds - the president has duties that he either fulfills or does not (1, 2 and 4 of the chapter of the Constitution - I recommend).
                      6. Dober
                        Dober 17 September 2013 22: 53 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        If in the barnyard the farmer began to intensively feed which-then a specific beast, this does not mean at all what he is doing with respect to notё Good deed.

                        The president has no good and bad deeds - the president has duties that he-Bo performs or not

                        You understand it yourself (nameless (?) Comrade), without criticism it is not a president, or not a "democratic president." Hence, in this we have no disagreements?
                        Allegories are suitable, +!
                        Related links ...
                      7. zvereok
                        zvereok 21 September 2013 12: 20 New
                        +2
                        That's just about combi-feed is not necessary, prices have risen today is expensive feed, the animal on the pasture while holding.
              2. Dober
                Dober 17 September 2013 18: 07 New
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                Quote: Yarosvet
                about Vova, mowing down several times more than Dima and making Dima either prime minister or president, or modestly silent.

                That's it...
                What are you all challenge and challenge ... The challenge should work constantly, i.e. daily. And now all that substance for which, as you put it, Dimuli is contained, sometimes gurgles and croaks only on the Internet and in the form of swamps. But the swamp of VovaVovych will trample without sweating, but when patience will burst among people after various events (billionth theft or Pugachevo), then they pulled up on the strap of the ritual lamb - Anatolich. So they will load it on the most indulge, and publicly end ...
                The audience will howl in ecstasy. Still the Leader "FOUND" the guilty !!!
                Viva Put-in!
          2. Timeout
            Timeout 18 September 2013 14: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarosvet

            That is, that Vova pledged with Ramzan 10 times more than Dima and handed the order to EBNu values ​​like

            Vova pays off with Ramzan once every two weeks, when he goes to the Kremlin with requests and reports ...
  2. aviator65
    aviator65 17 September 2013 19: 41 New
    0
    I would not only deliver, but also send.
  3. vezunchik
    vezunchik 19 September 2013 21: 18 New
    +1
    the authorities, unfortunately, are only concerned with one thing - maintaining their power ....
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 17 September 2013 10: 32 New
    +3
    So the limit was mainly from Russians and Ukrainians, and now, as they say: - "in the bag while it is all" okay? "- is it ...
  • waisson
    waisson 17 September 2013 09: 30 New
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    a monument to remove the street to be renamed to BUDANOVA and you can put a monument
    1. Dober
      Dober 17 September 2013 11: 01 New
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      "Officers of Russia" are asking to erect a monument to General Yermolov in pandanus to the new Chechen memorial

      More details here. With interesting facts and comments -

      mylenta.forblabla.com/blog/45955574670/Ofitseryi-Rossii-prosyat-ustanovit-pamyat
      nik-generalu-Ermolovu-v
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 17 September 2013 11: 49 New
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        Quote: Dober
        "Officers of Russia" are asking to erect a monument to General Yermolov in pandanus to the new Chechen memorial

        I propose to install a monument to Ermolov in Grozny! Whatever they forget, and do not relax!
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 17 September 2013 12: 02 New
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          And he was there at one time.
          1. wei
            wei 17 September 2013 22: 18 New
            +7
            that would not be forgotten am
        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 17 September 2013 17: 15 New
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          Quote: AlNikolaich
          I propose to install a monument to Ermolov in Grozny! Whatever they forget, and do not relax!

          CORRECTLY GLOWED !!! IN GROZNY ON PROSPECT OF PUTIN! KNOW OUR !!! And even better - in front of the "Symbol of Russia"
          1. Dober
            Dober 17 September 2013 18: 11 New
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            Quote: AleksUkr
            And even better - in front of the "Symbol of Russia"

            And if on the border of Chichka, on the pillars there are small busts, then generally karasho. Like a corral for wolves or garlic for bloodsuckers.
            Let them wrinkle like from a force field wassat
            1. bilgesez
              bilgesez 17 September 2013 19: 19 New
              +2
              and make busts out of chicha
            2. Passer
              Passer 18 September 2013 21: 21 New
              +1
              Not busts, but tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, and always with the crew.
      2. artemiy
        artemiy 17 September 2013 12: 49 New
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        Monument to the founder of Grozny Ermolov in Orel! And he must be in Grozny!
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 17 September 2013 11: 25 New
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      By the way, the fate of Budanov is a great example that the State cannot protect its citizen, but can punish him. The fate of Budanov contrasts sharply with the fate of Chubais and Kvachkov. Speaking of RUSNANO, they say that now the losses are worse than in the Moscow Region, as well as good schemes - grants were given "by their" project, through "their" bank.
      1. Roman_999
        Roman_999 17 September 2013 12: 09 New
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        "The state cannot protect its citizen, but it can" .... to my deepest regret, it is so ... and the beauty of the restored villages and of Grozny itself is sadly contrasted with the Russian hinterland ... this approach needs to be changed, it cannot be TITLE the nation lived to the detriment of itself, but to the benefit of the enemies, something is not right here, it is not tolerance, it smells like treason.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 17 September 2013 13: 56 New
          +6
          “Changing the approach” is, according to the understanding of our rulers, throwing Golikov into the Audit Chamber. Here in the accounting chamber the approach will change.
          1. evgenm55
            evgenm55 23 September 2013 07: 15 New
            +1
            Golikova is a universal woman. The next position will be either the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service. The enemies are sweating.
        2. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
          i_vam_ne_hvoratj 17 September 2013 15: 25 New
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          Dear Roman_999.I can not disagree with you and dear zvereok. It’s just that we try to be brief and, perhaps, that’s why we don’t have time to say everything. I would continue the thought “The state cannot protect its citizen, but it can” allow it to be punished. The situation with Budanov is painfully similar to the plot of the already old film "Checkpoint". The merits and demerits of the film can be argued endlessly. But the situations are painfully similar. And now about the memorial. I grew up in the USSR, a multinational country. My small homeland - Yakutia was, like no other region of the USSR, multinational. I respected other nationalities, their morals, their customs. The country collapsed ... Everyone scattered in national apartments. But there were, are and will be laws that will punish for trying to sow discord between the peoples of one country. The 20th century was generally eventful. But the worst thing, in my opinion, was a civil war. When among all the peoples inhabiting the country, the brother went to his brother, his son to his father, his father to his son. Almost a century has passed. Gone is the Day of WOSR. A new holiday has appeared - the Day of consent and reconciliation. Everyone can celebrate this day in their own way. Who is like a holiday, who is like a day of remembrance. But the thought was different. The dead red and white, the Chapaevits son and the Kolchak father, the Bai father and the Komsomolets son were reconciled ... Everyone was reconciled ... It is not for us to judge them ... Now we are one great country ... In one country, the ceremony The opening of this memorial looks a little strange. On the one hand, I understand the impasse that the leadership of the Russian Federation has entered while maintaining a semblance of peace in the Caucasus, and R. Kadyrov, who, given the highland mentality, positions himself as the father of the nation (who can instruct Chechens how to behave in Russia. Which can afford to build Grozny City and not bother with abandoned villages. Etc.) But, something, I got a little blabber. I can’t do it in a nutshell. Everything is spreading in arithmetic progression. (There are two ways out of any situation ....) Draw a conclusion yourself ... I made it, but my hands do not have time to print. No publicist from me.
          1. Debryansk
            Debryansk 17 September 2013 22: 37 New
            +1
            The insolence with which the flawed Caucasian tribes act knows no bounds. The symbol of Russia is what the fuck is .... Now a monument to the heroes is bandits. The entire history of these tribes is based on robberies and murders, and they also robbed their fellow tribesmen. Soon Kadyk will appoint a Chechen tribe to the elect so that all of Russia would pay them a triple tribute, it’s time to build new symbols throughout Russia ...... It remains only to rely on ourselves and comrades, not to give up, the state once again threw Slavs.
            1. Dimok
              Dimok 18 September 2013 02: 42 New
              +7
              The mosque is a symbol of Putin's Russia where the population is called Russians.
              But not like not my Russia, where the people are called RUSSIAN.
              And the heroes in my Russia are Ermolov, Budanov, Efentyef, and many others.
    3. waisson
      waisson 17 September 2013 13: 27 New
      +1
      thank you I am glad that there is more than one opinion
    4. Orik
      Orik 17 September 2013 13: 39 New
      +3
      NEED a monument to put put Budanov.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 17 September 2013 13: 58 New
        +4
        By the way, the Son of Budanov in the State Duma seems to be from the LDPR i.e. he has minimal opportunities for the fight for justice. Only this struggle is not visible (((...
  • Natalia
    Natalia 17 September 2013 09: 38 New
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    in a single state there should be uniform heroes, people on whom historical memory holds, national myths are built. For Russia, these are Svyatoslav, Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Sergius, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ermolov ...

    I completely agree, otherwise you don’t know how to erect a monument to Adolf Hitler for a long time, Kadyrov’s excessive isolation already contrasts too brightly with Russia. Once a grateful descendant of Akhtat Kadyrov, who was folding his head in the fight against Russian enemies with Wahhabism ... by the way, I remember the time when Kadyrov Sr. was only killed, Ramzan in a tracksuit, ran to the Kremlin at night in the Kremlin (they shot him live) , they say, what to do ... And today this descendant, has realized himself so much that in general he is behaving extremely defiantly.
    You don’t have to bargain, or you can finish it like Jahar Dudaev, the planes we shoot now more accurately ...
    1. to4kavserdce
      to4kavserdce 17 September 2013 12: 17 New
      0
      So precisely described everything))) is beautiful! fellow
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 17 September 2013 14: 05 New
      +5
      Once a grateful descendant of Akhtat Kadyrov, who folded his head in the fight against Russia's enemies with Wahhabism ..


      Well, Akhmat and the heads of our Soldiers, too, put a lot, and as Akhmat would lead now, it is also not clear. Too many feds got money there, and the Czechs decided that they hadn’t written laws. And looking at them, the nearest republics began to think too. The same Dagi, who with arms in their hands stood against the Czechs while the army was deploying, now they are shooting at this army ... more precisely, policemen ... pah nasty what word ... policemen.
    3. terp 50
      terp 50 18 September 2013 18: 26 New
      +1
      ... yes, they are always like that ... I remember the army (the USSR was still). While you are holding them in a black body one at a time, people are like people. It is worth gathering more than two who strive to get their own ways and sit on the neck. ... where are YOU, Your Excellency Alexei Petrovich? ... help, for Christ’s sake. (... descendants TOLERANCE FUN )
    4. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 19 September 2013 13: 31 New
      -1
      You would rather finish your studies at school rather than write your thoughts that are important to us. “Grammar” - says something to you, are you our loner?
  • unclevad
    unclevad 19 September 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    In Moscow, we need to erect a monument to the DETECTED AND VICTIMS of the CHECHNYE BOUNDARY FROM the time of the accession of the Caucasus to Russia, and to make such memorial plaques in every major city of the Krasnodar Territory!
  • Revolver
    Revolver 17 September 2013 07: 59 New
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    Quote: Landwarrior
    Sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich fought with the Caucasus for 50 years. request
    And Stalin in 1944 decided this question in a matter of weeks.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 17 September 2013 08: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: Nagan
      And Stalin in 1944 decided this question in a matter of weeks.

      But you must admit, there is a difference between conquering and restoring order wink
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 17 September 2013 10: 04 New
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        Quote: Landwarrior
        But you must admit, there is a difference between conquering and restoring order

        But you must admit that order must be put in the streets of, say, Moscow, and Chechnya had to be conquered at all times ... now there is a danger that it will again be necessary to conquer ...
        We shook off the biggest mosque in Europe and donated money to Grozny-CITY, and as it turned out, not only the appetite comes with eating, but also the audacity ...
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 17 September 2013 10: 14 New
          +8
          Quote: Natalia
          Now there is a danger that again it will be necessary to conquer ...

          "But there is experience ..." (c) wink
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 17 September 2013 10: 31 New
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            Quote: Landwarrior
            "But there is experience ..."

            An experience? Experience is ... thank God.
            There is no ... There are all kinds of Bizyuzov’s, too, no.
            There are new weapons ...

            In short, if sho, then ... I think everything will be fine.) wink
            1. Landwarrior
              Landwarrior 17 September 2013 11: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: Natalia
              I think everything will be fine.)

              Yeah. You will not drink experience winked But first you need to calmly hold the Olympics wink
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 17 September 2013 11: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Landwarrior
                Yeah. You won’t drink the experience. But first you need to calmly hold the Olympics

                We’ll do it, everything will be fine ... better than many.) wink
                But my dad believes that the main thing in the Sochi Olympics is the first place in hockey, otherwise it will be akin to personal tragedy for him winked
                And by the way, soon .... soon there will be an Event of Events. Hooray-ahhhhh !!! fellow
                1. Landwarrior
                  Landwarrior 17 September 2013 13: 11 New
                  +4
                  Nataliawait and see wink
            2. mga04
              mga04 17 September 2013 14: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Natalia
              There are new weapons ...

              Cute girl. And you, personally, are ready to pick up this very “new weapon” and set off to “put things in order”, “to conquer”? Well, or dad, brother, beloved bless on this charitable cause? And then there are many keyboard warrior heroes who will hide at the first hint of mobilization to restore order in the Caucasus.
              There is new weapons, but for some reason it seems to me that the flow of money pouring into Chechnya is spent not only on mosques. And should this flow be interrupted, the Czechs will demand its renewal with very serious arguments. There will still be a lot of blood and crap. God grant that I would be wrong.
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 17 September 2013 15: 16 New
                +5
                Quote: mga04
                Well, or dad, brother, beloved bless on this charitable cause? And then there are many keyboard warrior heroes who will hide at the first hint of mobilization to restore order in the Caucasus.

                My dad is a military officer (well, as he corrects me: a military officer), and he is still in the Caucasus ... and at the expense of keyboard warriors, it can be so, only even according to the results of past Chechen companies it is clear that heroism and selflessness are not was a rarity even among the green unshooted boys.) So, ahead of time, telling everyone that here they say, sons of the sissy are all sitting, it’s not worth it ....
                1. mga04
                  mga04 17 September 2013 15: 53 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Natalia
                  heroism and dedication were not uncommon even among green unshooted boys

                  Who is against it? Just the young and unshooted, full of youthful maximalism, the easiest way to move on heroism and dedication. Here we are also trying to be proud of the heroically dead students at Kruty. Only these young and unfired ones have to endure guano for adults and wise uncles, correcting their mistakes or, even worse, abuse.
                  So now, Chechnya has been hooked on a money needle, and instead of integrating it into the Russian economy, they are stupidly pumping money. What happens when an addict does not have a dose? What happens when the Chechen elite, used to sitting on bags of money, loses these bags? There are two options - either come to the bow to ask for a dose, or decide to take the dose. Which solution is more likely for Chechnya?
                  Is your son already old enough to defend Russia's interests in Chechnya?
                  1. Natalia
                    Natalia 17 September 2013 16: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: mga04
                    Is your son already old enough to defend Russia's interests in Chechnya?

                    I have a daughter ..... smile fellow
                    And besides, we are still few, we are only four ... winked
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 September 2013 11: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Landwarrior
            "But experience is ..." (c) wink

            Do you guys have lives too? We raised a wolf, fed it, and then again we will cry, saying that a wolf has come into contact ...
        2. SPLV
          SPLV 17 September 2013 12: 38 New
          +5
          Good does not go unpunished ...
      2. artemiy
        artemiy 17 September 2013 12: 57 New
        +1
        Broom put in order!
        1. waisson
          waisson 17 September 2013 13: 18 New
          +7
          not with a broom but with a knee iron
      3. Deniska999
        Deniska999 17 September 2013 15: 08 New
        +1
        Of course, tolerance is good in a way, but it should not be here.
      4. kr33sania
        kr33sania 18 September 2013 16: 03 New
        +1
        And then they conquered and put things in order. And now ... Where to Putin before Koba ...
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 17 September 2013 10: 16 New
      10
      And Stalin in 1944 decided this question in a matter of weeks. So it was Stalin and the Ministry of Railways. They took it out without ceremony. And now Russian Railways-PID Yakuninsky, under this business will begin to buy peregrine Falcons at a triple price. I agree, Stalin is not enough.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 17 September 2013 10: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Bashkaus
        So it was Stalin and the Ministry of Railways.
        By the way, then Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich sat on the Ministry of Railways. So, for information, for those who are not very familiar with history.
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 17 September 2013 14: 09 New
        0
        By the way, Spapsan is a recouped project and always drives full, at least in our direction. True, ordinary electric trains were canceled because of it, but it was already forgotten. "Us e @ boot, but we are getting stronger" (((
    3. sergo0000
      sergo0000 17 September 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      Quote: Landwarrior
      Sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich fought with the Caucasus for 50 years. request
      And Stalin in 1944 decided this question in a matter of weeks.


      So, Stalin and his assistants were good and the people as one thought.
  • Crocodile
    Crocodile 17 September 2013 09: 26 New
    58
    History repeats itself ...
    1. Roman_999
      Roman_999 17 September 2013 11: 51 New
      10
      Exactly so, only some nationalities do not need this, it is more appropriate to recall the wolf who doesn’t feed him much but he looks into the forest, there are people who give murders, enmity, robberies and thefts of brides, blood feud on the destruction of the clan, theft of oil and strong anger congenital anger ... these are enemies
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 17 September 2013 10: 13 New
    22
    Quote: Landwarrior
    Sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich fought with the Caucasus for 50 years

    Let there be a war in the Caucasus, and soon enough I think. Everyone has been living there for more than 10 years with a sense of victory, with the feeling that they are taller and stronger than others, they have already believed that this is serious and for a long, forever. two military companies, one-third can not be avoided. But it will be completely different, after the end of Putin’s period, the war is total, the war of annihilation. I don’t know what method it will be waged, but the result is that one nation on the planet will become smaller for sure. That is the will of Allah, if you will. smile
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 17 September 2013 11: 37 New
      +4
      baltika-18, it is clear that something will happen. But, as I wrote above, "Experience is" wink But the current shhh so far, the Olympics on the nose. wink
  • Garyk701
    Garyk701 17 September 2013 11: 44 New
    +5
    Yes, six months all left to be patient. After the Olympiad, with bulldozers, straighten the landscape of Chechnya and roll concrete with the same money that they were allocated.
    1. Orik
      Orik 17 September 2013 13: 45 New
      +4
      smile Well, why so? The beautiful city of Grozny was rebuilt, the villages of the Nadterechny district, you just need to remember that it was all RUSSIAN, Cossack and return everything to its place. Money is tea, native, ours, folk. Even the Grozny mosque resembles the church of St. Sophia in Constantinople, everything is reversible.
  • Borz
    Borz 17 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +5
    And grandfather Stalin did not fight the Caucasus - he had more effective methods of pacifying the disobedient (operation "Lentil" when Chechens and Ingush were taken out to the "poorly developed areas" of our vast Motherland for a day). This is a radical solution to the notorious "Caucasian issue".
  • Old bear
    Old bear 17 September 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    It's like that. I do not want Kep to seem obvious, but JV Stalin resolved this issue in 3 days. As they say, comments are redundant. Well, there is positive experience not in moderation, but in the right state apparatus. I look at everything that happens and again I am convinced that there are enemies people (the state, Russia, all the bright and the right), but can the current leaders be able to go against the Western "crap" and burn it all with hot iron? How do you want to believe in this, because it will prove to all the swamps that our power is popular !! !
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 17 September 2013 14: 14 New
      +4
      While EP, defends its right to a "modest home" abroad, and holds its mortgage there ... kids, nothing like this will happen. And EP, as I understand it for a long time, years on 80.
  • Natalia
    Natalia 17 September 2013 12: 57 New
    19
    What kind of a bitch-wahhbitka monument!? ... who tried to portray what there against whom? ... against YERMOLOV himself General from infantry and general from artillery ... and today to erect such monuments is what I consider an insult to the history of Russia.
    To demolish this is a monument to FIG, and put a monument to YERMOLOV, as a sign of justice. Kadyrov today, spits directly on the whole history of Russia. We do not, and cannot have different heroes, Russia has only one heroes, and Kadyrov must reckon with this ... because he owes much to Russia, too much.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 17 September 2013 13: 13 New
    +5
    Maybe Yermolov really killed the Chechens when he conquered the Caucasus, but the Chechens need to know if the Russians wouldn’t have walked vigorously either under the Turks or under the Persians. Both of them did not stand on ceremony like the Russians, they did not arrest, they did not take prisoner, they chopped their heads in the old fashioned way and that would be genocide.
    1. Dober
      Dober 17 September 2013 13: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Maybe Yermolov really killed the Chechens when he conquered the Caucasus

      Read carefully, highlight the causes, problems and methods for solving them -

      militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/ermolov_ap/05.html
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 17 September 2013 14: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Maybe Yermolov really killed


      Et, and the raids of mountain sheep on the Cossack villages? Yes, this is not a large mountain herd nafig Russia did not need it if it were not for the road to Georgia which they threatened. It was then that the Chechens bred in the flat territories donated to them.
      1. baton140105
        baton140105 17 September 2013 22: 34 New
        -6
        Beast, yes, you see a real hero, Caucasians have sheep, Chechnya, Chichka, etc. ..... Just don’t forget that this is Russia COLONIZED in the Caucasus, and yes that’s exactly what it is called. Whoever the thread would be colonized would be different " would love him. And if Ramzan decided to erect a monument to national heroes, then he is GOOD and Chechens with patriotism are fine, unlike some. And if they don’t put Yermolov in the capital, it’s a demand from our government (officers are well-fussing). It is not necessary to separate the Caucasians from the rest of the Russians with their stupid nationalist posts. Cossacks, after all, were not angels, let’s admit it, and it’s not Caucasians who came to their home, but they came to the Caucasus with weapons. If you have any objections please write in PM ..
        1. ultra
          ultra 17 September 2013 23: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: baton140105
          No need to separate the Caucasians from the rest of the Russians

          And I see that it is Caucasians who separate themselves from the Russians.
  • HERMAJOR4IK
    HERMAJOR4IK 17 September 2013 14: 45 New
    -5
    sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich sucker shameful and himself later acknowledged this during the Crimean war when the Austrian empire which the Russian troops sent against the rebellious Hungarians saved this near comrade 15 years before this, so this Austria saved with the help of the Russian army sent to shed blood for these meanest Austrians this austria threatened us with war and we had to keep large forces on the border with it, because of which the Crimean war was lost by the above-mentioned sucker emperor
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 17 September 2013 17: 30 New
    +8
    Landwarrior (2)
    Sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich fought with the Caucasus for 50 years.


    Nikolai Pavlovich fought not with the Caucasus, but with robber gangs in the Caucasus. Small-folk folk were found there, fed exclusively by robbery and resale of the stolen, looted and slave trade. Those born in the USSR probably remember the film "Mamluk".
    Gangs united only during the Crimean War, under the command of Imam Shamil, officer of the United Kingdom, undercover (turban, beard, bathrobe, Koran).
    Gold and weapons to the bandits came from the British through smugglers (the story of M.U. Lermontov "Taman")
    The Crimean War (in the West it was called the East) ended and the gangs of Shamil were blown away.
    Everything is the same as now, only Russia was different then, with bandits and robbers they did not stand on ceremony.
  • dark_65
    dark_65 17 September 2013 20: 18 New
    +1
    The humanists are bad,
    http://podelise.ru/docs/21127/index-2045-8.html

    http://galgai.com/forum/showthread.php?page=7&t=1095
    http://rudocs.exdat.com/docs/index-125119.html

    for this you can still a little stiffness that would piss at the word Russia.
  • Yen
    Yen 18 September 2013 11: 57 New
    0
    Well, you take into account that then there were no tanks or planes. This is now a quick war and before everything was on its own, and no satellites flew in space.
  • Just
    Just 18 September 2013 13: 11 New
    +1
    You impressed me with your knowledge of history !!! I admire you !!!
  • George
    George 17 September 2013 07: 35 New
    +7
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The unfinished "Caucasian Question" has come up with more than once ...
    Have you decided to tame the wolf with sweets?

    This is not only the Caucasus concerns. Each affiliated people in our multinational state will have a mass of national heroes, who by no means always stand on one side of the barricades with us. Imperial ambitions are now deprived of our power in this matter (not to say isho), and therefore the monument to Yermolov in question in Moscow is not what is in Grozny.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 17 September 2013 07: 50 New
      +4
      Tell me, Pugachev - did he stand "with you" on one side of the barricades? What about Razin? Bolotnikov? Why are punishers better than peasants?
      1. George
        George 17 September 2013 08: 11 New
        +7
        Quote: Basileus
        Tell me, Pugachev - did he stand "with you" on one side of the barricades? What about Razin? Bolotnikov? Why are punishers better than peasants?

        And you judge for yourself: my descendants are serfs who fled from their "owners" to the Kuban, and took an active part in the subsequent revolutionary struggle.
        It’s just that if the Soviet government singled out and brought to the fore those of the national heroes who fought for the freedom of the people from oppression, slavery and bondage, that is, they looked for common goals for all peoples, the achievement of which united them, then the current government really did not offer anything in return .
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed 18 September 2013 13: 40 New
          -4
          well yes. when, under the valiant wing of Tukhachevsky, your ancestors helped the peasants of the Tambov region understand the charm
          Soviet power.

          low bow to your dear ancestors, heroes! century we will not forget
          1. George
            George 19 September 2013 18: 06 New
            0
            Quote: DezzeD
            well yes. when, under the valiant wing of Tukhachevsky, your ancestors helped the peasants of the Tambov region understand the charm
            Soviet power.

            My ancestors fought with Kochubey, one disappeared somewhere in Asia, was the commander of a reconnaissance squadron, which is why the family often sang "There, Across the River."

            Quote: DezzeD


            low bow to your dear ancestors, heroes! century we will not forget


            Forget I recall.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 17 September 2013 08: 09 New
      41
      Quote: GEORGE
      the monument to Yermolov is in question in Moscow, not like in Grozny.
      You need to start with the monument to Stalin, and not only in Moscow, but also in Grozny. Of course, mainly because he led the USSR and defeated Germany, but also for Chechnya too. So that it would be a reminder to them how separatism and agreement with the enemies of the country could end.
      1. Crocodile
        Crocodile 17 September 2013 09: 35 New
        +3
        Sorry more +++ is not set!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 17 September 2013 09: 59 New
          +6
          So I’m not trying for the sake of advantages.
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 17 September 2013 10: 37 New
            0
            FOR RIGHT thoughts +++!
      2. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 17 September 2013 10: 10 New
        +7
        Quote: Nagan
        You need to start with the monument to Stalin, and not only in Moscow

        In each city and town, in the village and village, in each! hi
      3. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 17 September 2013 14: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        So that it would be a reminder to them how separatism and agreement with the enemies of the country could end.

        The Slav brothers also would not hurt to build a couple of obelisks in Crimea, Joseph Vissarionovich build, because they forgot how it was that 20 thousand Tatars from the Red Army deserted as soon as the Germans approached the Crimea.
      4. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 18 September 2013 11: 08 New
        -3
        You probably thought badly when you said that. Stalin is the same human killer as Shamil, Hitler, Basayev and the like.
      5. everest-82
        everest-82 22 September 2013 02: 35 New
        +1
        Yes, you do not know about the history of the country in which you live, so you have no idea about the era of Stalinism, and what it cost for Russia. The whole country from edge to edge was one continuous camp hut with barbed wire around the perimeter. Everything was decided here: who should live for now and who should die, this mustachioed warder and executioner - Stalin. He was a presumptuous and useless strategist, but not surpassed by an intriguer and executioner. Therefore, he also overslept the beginning of the war, despite intelligence reports about the Wehrmacht being advanced to the border, and then the exact date of the attack. It was because of him that by the fall of the Germans managed to take most of the European territory of the USSR. And then it all had to be taken back - but how much blood it cost ... Until now, thousands of soldiers are not buried in the forests and valleys of Russia - but who counted them ...
        And here you are telling tales like: “... he led the USSR and defeated Germany ...”. Go learn the history of your country - a loser!
    3. Oskar
      Oskar 17 September 2013 08: 24 New
      16
      So the monuments to the “heroes” of Nord-Ost, Budenovsk and Beslan are not far away.
    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 17 September 2013 17: 55 New
      0
      Quote: GEORGE
      This is not only the Caucasus concerns. Each affiliated people in our multinational state will have a mass of national heroes, who by no means always stand on one side of the barricades with us. Imperial ambitions are now deprived of our power in this matter (not to say isho), and therefore the monument to Yermolov in question in Moscow is not what is in Grozny.

      What national heroes can the Caucasian robbers who plundered caravans on the Georgian Military Highway and in all neighboring countries have? They didn’t need independence, they just didn’t want to do honest work and fought for the right to rob and parasitize.
      What national heroes can the robbers of the Crimean, Astrakhan and Kazan Khanates have for hundreds of years at the expense of robbery and the slave trade?
      What national heroes can be among the Khiva predators who did not allow Iran, Russia, and Bukhara to live in peace?
      What national heroes can be in the medieval Kokand khanate and the Bukhara emirate, where the people lived in poverty, slavery and powerlessness, and were subjected to execution for the slightest disobedience?
      1. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 17 September 2013 22: 51 New
        +4
        Well guys, you have gone far. I am not an Uzbek, but only a poorly educated child can reason so primitively. Apparently, the process of positive feedback (self-excitation) causes a very strong generation of Great Russian chauvinism in your heads. Stop self-excited, it interferes with a serious discussion.
      2. Dimok
        Dimok 18 September 2013 02: 59 New
        +1
        People are different, the foundations are different, the mentality is different, the heroes are different.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 September 2013 07: 41 New
    16
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    Have you decided to tame the wolf with sweets?

    Yes, and on these "sweets" Kadyrov built a monument. By the way, judging by the photo, its price is not one million budget "sweets".
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 17 September 2013 08: 13 New
      11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      , its price is not one million budget "sweets".

      Hello Sasha! The trouble is that these “sweets” are collected from all those working in Russia, it turns out that the “little red” "erects monuments against us with our money. We live happily, oh and fun .....
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 September 2013 12: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Tersky
        T. We have fun, oh and fun ..

        Yes, I'm talking about the same Victor. Hi hi
        1. My address
          My address 17 September 2013 17: 56 New
          +1
          Victor (apparently from the Cossacks?) And Alexander (probably from the east of the country, judging by the comments on your comm?)!

          Totally agree with you. From my own experience, I know that indulging the conquered leads to even more impudent behavior than before victory. Met with similar in production. But the humiliation of the vanquished is dangerous. The winner must show what is good and what is bad and teach to the concept of these things. Otherwise it will be necessary again, but under worse conditions. Tsarist and Soviet Russia clearly showed. And now? Ffu!
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 17 September 2013 14: 28 New
        +3
        And I think, why does the government reduce the budget for medicine, science and culture, reduces the ruble, introduces draconian water consumption norms? ... They turn out to be a monument, it turns out to the suicide bombers !!! Well, it seems like there was enough money. It is also necessary for the builders to chip in and go forward to new achievements!
  • klimpopov
    klimpopov 17 September 2013 08: 33 New
    70
    It’s sick to read all this. It is interesting when they get to the monument to Yermolov in Stavropol with their filthy little hands. The screams have already risen repeatedly. Like, the monument insults the feelings. Personally, I’ll come to defend the monument and I will take people with me!
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 September 2013 08: 51 New
      17
      There is also in Pyatigorsk, but the situation is very tense there
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 September 2013 09: 18 New
        29
        And about Ramzan. From one topic on a large resource.
        What are you even saying, dear?
        Then recently on Twitter, Ramzan Akhmatovich wrote that it was the Chechens who invented the wheel, smelting and writing. Well, I don’t even want to argue with such a statement.
        True, he did not specify that other nations at that time produced computers and flew into space!

        Maybe just about the topic, but really liked it.
        1. Dober
          Dober 17 September 2013 10: 04 New
          +6
          Here they have their "computers" ...
          No upgrade is required for the next hundred years. And then we give on the atomic splitting energy ...
          1. Landwarrior
            Landwarrior 17 September 2013 13: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Dober
            Here they have their "computers" ...
            No upgrade is required for the next hundred years. And then we give on the atomic splitting energy ...

            They reminded me of an old joke: a conference of Zimbabwean nuclear physicists entitled "Electric Lantern - Myths and Reality" laughing
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 September 2013 13: 45 New
            +5
            Such space technology cannot be given to them.
            Their destiny
            And these are their best representatives!
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            2. Dober
              Dober 17 September 2013 14: 33 New
              0
              Quote: klimpopov
              Their destiny

              With this, they will also attack the Interior Ministry department. Then give this device. But with him for a long time, they’ll finish faster - they will climb longer.
            3. Dober
              Dober 17 September 2013 14: 41 New
              0
              But the "manual" for use -
        2. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 17 September 2013 11: 55 New
          +1
          I agree! good They only saw the engine in the 20 century! Along with the opening of the wheel and the invention of writing ...
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 17 September 2013 10: 57 New
        16
        There is a monument in Orel.
        And the grave of Ermolov.
        1. artemiy
          artemiy 17 September 2013 14: 05 New
          +4
          Here is the grave! In the Trinity Temple!
    2. ultra
      ultra 17 September 2013 10: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: klimpopov
      Personally, I’ll come to defend the monument and I will take people with me!

      Though far away, I’ll come too! soldier
    3. Serg 122
      Serg 122 17 September 2013 10: 15 New
      +4
      2014 after the Olympics, everything will happen. He himself probably heard (and more than once) that the Czechs want to tear our region apart after it angry
    4. Dober
      Dober 17 September 2013 10: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: klimpopov
      when they get to the monument to Ermolov in Stavropol with their filthy little hands, I personally will come to defend the monument and I will take people with me!

      I think this is superfluous ... People are beginning to understand what's what.
      Here last summer and in Orel set.
      The monument to the general from infantry and artillery, the St. George cavalier Alexei Petrovich Ermolov, was solemnly unveiled. The idea of ​​erecting a monument to the hero of the Napoleonic Wars and the conqueror of the Caucasus could be realized more than 100 years ago by the Oryol community, but World War I prevented the collection of funds, although from 1 to 1911 1914 rubles were raised.
      In 1991, the Oryol local historians wanted to transport the monument to A.P. Ermolov from the city of Grozny, but he was destroyed soon after the seizure of power by Dudaev. At the end of 2000, the famous Oryol historian and local historian V.A. Vlasov proposed to restore the monument that was lost after the war on the site of the Ermolovsky necropolis in the right side chapel of the Trinity Church in Orel in the form that it was made after the burial of A.P. Yermolov in 1861 by soldiers and veterans of the Caucasian wars. Together with the general, his father Pyotr Alekseevich, the sons of Claudius and the North, their wives and children, are repose. The erection of the monument in the church was not supported by the Orel-Livennaya diocese, since a choir is now in its place.
      The Oryol Cossacks then raised the question of installing an equestrian monument in the center of Orel. A contest was held that identified the three best projects. But soon the question of the monument was for some reason closed for political reasons. In 2010, the new leadership of the Oryol region, preparing for the upcoming anniversary of the Patriotic War of 1812, returned to the project of installing the monument to A.P. Ermolov. The Public Chamber raised funds in the amount of 11 million rubles, the All-Apostle Andrew the First-Called Fund and the Center for Russian National Glory made a big contribution. The monument was commissioned by the Moscow sculptor Ravil Yusupov, who completed the work on time to the displeasure of some political parties holding pickets on Yermolov Square and opposing this project of the monument on the eve of its installation. But all attempts to use the monument issue for their political purposes were not supported by the majority of Orlovites. The monument was unveiled in the presence of many public and veteran organizations. The opening was attended by Alexander Beglov, Presidential Representative in the Central Federal District, Alexander Kozlov, Governor of the Oryol Region, Vladimir Yakunin, Head of Russian Railways, and other guests of honor. The monument was blessed by the Archbishop of Oryol and Livensky, Anthony and the Hieromonk Elder Ily (Nozdrin). A small parade took place in the afternoon in front of the monument, and in the evening a salute was organized on Yermolov Square.
      In Orel, next to the Assumption Monastery, a house belonging to the father of A.P. Ermolova. There is a proposal for his redemption with the further organization within its walls of the museum of the great commander from the recently recreated Ermolovsky society. Under the Youth Brotherhood of the Great Martyr and Victorious George, the Center of Martial Arts named after General A.P. Ermolova. After the opening of the monument A.P. Ermolov should remember the necropolis of the Ermolov family, restoring it in its original form inside the Trinity Church of Orel.

      In honor of Ermolov, part of the Karla Marx square was named, on which there was a wasteland for a long time, where Ermolov Square was defeated. The street leading to the cemetery, where the general is calm, is still called Pionerskaya, although there are signs on it, which from 1912 to 1922 was called Yermolov Street.
    5. Dober
      Dober 17 September 2013 10: 59 New
      +2
      And this summer, the Chichi Empire Strikes Back in the same Orel ...
      Meanwhile, on the website of the government of the Chechen Republic, the construction of a mosque in Orel is already mentioned as a fait accompli.
      State Duma deputy Magomed Selimkhanov during a visit to Orel seemed to even visit the site of a future construction site. And here is what he said: “Now that the choice of the place of construction and execution of permits and other documents is behind, one cannot but note the very good location of the site, which in a topographical sense has been chosen taking into account easy access for citizens. It is located near the federal highway of the South and West directions and at the same time, only three kilometers from the city center "...
      And the journalist PublikPost Denis Volin in his article indicates both the exact location (Livenskaya St.) and the time of laying the stone under the mosque (June 1, 2013).


      www.orelgrad.ru/2013/04/17/orlovskie-chinovniki-molchat-o-stroitelstve-mecheti/
      1. artemiy
        artemiy 17 September 2013 14: 15 New
        +4
        There will be no mosque! The public was indignant against the construction of more than one thousand votes! And there is no stone, although it is already September!
    6. Double major
      Double major 17 September 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      You are there ... Whatever ... whistle ...
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    8. terp 50
      terp 50 18 September 2013 18: 37 New
      0
      ... THE CRUCHES OF THEM, CRUSHES IN THE KhUZARS ... (* They smashed into Khuzars, and chopped into dogs. “Breaks into Khuzars” means to smash / destroy completely. And “chop into dogs” chopped finely, chopped, chopped groats ( they didn’t know noodles then).
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 17 September 2013 08: 36 New
    +6
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    Have you decided to tame the wolf with sweets?


    But the monument must be on the money of Russian taxpayers, they themselves do not pay taxes, they live at the expense of Russia and they are
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 17 September 2013 10: 17 New
      +4
      And the SMS terrier for residents of Chechnya is absolutely free !!!
    2. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 17 September 2013 11: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadivak
      And the monument must be on the money of Russian taxpayers

      - no, what are you! Allah gave! wassat
  • Skiff
    Skiff 17 September 2013 09: 04 New
    32
    “... And one night a Studebaker truck drove into our yard. A muffled neighing was heard from behind the tarp. It turned out that Captain Kosenko with his scouts recaptured the gift horse that they had prepared for Hitler from the Ingush. I went out into the yard. “There is no ramp,” one of the soldiers said, “where to get the boards to bring it to the ground ...” I quickly climbed into the barn and helped get wide oak boards. My father kept them there at the very top. A horse was brought along them.
    A handsome man was a horse ... I’ve seen many horses in my life, but I don’t remember this .. Tall, handsome, white ... Legs are thin, strong ... Nervous ... White as foam ... And all in the same bullseye ... Furnishings - inconceivable in luxury. On the chest is a huge golden plaque, stirrups, bit, onion saddle, plaques on the harness - all of pure gold. In the morning, when the gold was removed and weighed - six and a half pounds turned out to be it. They packed gold in a box from under artillery shells and drove away.
    And the horse was still in our yard for four days. I drove him to a watering place. Oh, and the surrounding boys envied me!
    ... And on the fifth night an indoor Studebaker arrived, and the horse was taken away. I see, I haven’t seen him again ... ”
    It was at a time when the Ingush and Chechens were eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Nazi troops, they were killing around the corner of the Red Army, when the Ingush, Chechen old men and old women stoned wounded soldiers when they prepared expensive gifts for the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler himself did not doze off. He also prepared a present for the Ingush and Chechens. It was at this time that he signed a directive according to which the Ingush and Chechens, as wild and uneducable peoples who were unable to work for the benefit of the thousand-year Reich, were subject to physical destruction. According to the Chechen-Ingush “benefactor” - Hitler, this task was feasible, since only one gorge could be slaughtered with corpses. And there is no need to build camps. / site of the Black Hundreds / http: //www.sotnia.ru/ch_sotnia/t1997/t5403.htm
    Everyone has their own heroes ... At the parade of the 60th anniversary of the victory, our paratroopers were forbidden to wear awards for the Chechen war, but here everything is tolerant ...
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 17 September 2013 11: 50 New
      +2
      Only paratroopers received awards, or only paratroopers participated in the parade?
      1. little man
        little man 17 September 2013 17: 50 New
        +1
        No difference. Wouldn’t they let me go with medals? Then why the heck go on such a parade!
  • Mitek
    Mitek 17 September 2013 09: 09 New
    19
    There will be another war. And it will be when Russia is involved in other conflicts. And then, in the best traditions of the highlanders, a knife in the back.
    1. optimist
      optimist 17 September 2013 09: 40 New
      15
      Quote: Mitek
      There will be another war. And it will be when Russia is involved in other conflicts. And then, in the best traditions of the highlanders, a knife in the back.

      Golden words, dear! Here, on the forum, it is full of patriots who are ready to "fight" for Syria. (Most exclusively comments on the internet). A question arises for the ardent putinoids (figs with him, with an Adder, what to take from an abrek and a bandit): where does your fucking "guarantor" look? Does this “Siberian Crane” really not understand that modern Chechnya (and other black-berry republics) is a cocked pistol at the temple of Russia? Already his one policy in relation to the UK, the best proof of the fact that he is a glorious successor of the "humpback-ebna."
  • Predskazamus
    Predskazamus 17 September 2013 09: 36 New
    -61
    if the whole Caucasus rises against Russia at once, it will end.
    1. Sewer
      Sewer 17 September 2013 09: 41 New
      28
      The Caucasus will be zvizdets, the third time they will not clatter with them!
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 17 September 2013 09: 58 New
        +1
        will be. unfortunately will be. from Ermolov fuss. am
        1. George
          George 17 September 2013 10: 21 New
          +7
          Quote: RBLip
          will be. unfortunately will be. from Ermolov fuss. am

          Do not tell. Yakov Petrovich Baklanov "Thunderstorm of the Caucasus" did not just become so - he calmed the rebellious.
          And Joseph Vissarionovich did not allow naughty.
          1. RBLip
            RBLip 17 September 2013 12: 18 New
            0
            such a figure as Joseph Vissarionovich will not be in our politics soon. if ever appears. so after Ermolov with a break for Stalin and clatter.
        2. matross
          matross 17 September 2013 10: 41 New
          +9
          Quote: RBLip
          unfortunately will be. from Ermolov fuss.

          Not in the event of a stab in the back during the war. Then roll up quickly and efficiently. In the Stalinist way.
      2. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 17 September 2013 11: 54 New
        -32
        you’re too cute yourself to sound. in due time the same Caucasus Wild Division gave lyuli the invincible invincible Austrian army. WHAT I WRITTEN IS THE TRUTH IF GEORGIA UNITES AND ALL THE CAUCASUS, ONE SITES 140.000.000) ONE PLACE. XNUMX)). ))))))))) and IF SO ALREADY RESPONED, THERE IS THERE IS TRUTH IN MY WORDS THAN MORE MINUSES MORE THAN I AM RIGHT
        1. Dober
          Dober 17 September 2013 12: 27 New
          11
          Quote: Predskazamus
          THERE IS TRUTH IF GEORGIA AZERBAIJAN UNITS AND THE WHOLE CAUCASUS

          Stumbled upon a post.
          Something is not visible here by Azerbaijanis and Armenians. That's how they want to unite ... Ossetians with Georgians ... Dagi with Chechens.
          And renamed the Caucasus province and declare war on Russia ...
          And if you also connect the Crimean Tatars, then in general it is possible to revel in * for europium ...
          Quote: Predskazamus
          MORE MINUSES THERE MORE RIGHTS

          Absolutely ... dear Napoleon. yes
          And the hysterical font confirms this.
          Take the medicine and go to bed, the chief doctor will come to you earlier than you head the Cauca army. fellow
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 17 September 2013 22: 42 New
            +1
            Beast Vadim ....
            you can’t be like that ... "Professor Preobrazhensky ...."
            I almost choked on hiccups after laughing ......
            You need to be careful in expressions, friend .... otherwise you’ll hit your own ...
            Huh ...
            1. Dober
              Dober 17 September 2013 23: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Igarr
              You need to be careful in expressions, friend .... otherwise you’ll hit your own ...
              Huh ...

              Popped in a "personal", dear Igor (sorry for more than the 10th age difference).

              I support the curious: 282 does not apply to me, I “broadcast” not from Rosiyaniya, I “do not go to laws”, but I respect morality ... laughing (sorry * I can’t show in "dances"). Excuse me... hi

              Igor. A little later ... What specifically interests? Will you give the address of the “soap”? Or am I the first to be active in this matter?

              Flood ... dancing. Sorry plizz ...
        2. Sewer
          Sewer 17 September 2013 12: 30 New
          +3
          I haven’t set you a single minus if it worries so much! Yes, let them unite, though this is a myth that will never come true! Caucasians have been at enmity for more than a century, and peace between them is not foreseen! There is a clan struggle in Chechnya itself , in Dagestan the same story!
        3. matross
          matross 17 September 2013 15: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Predskazamus
          MORE MINUSES THERE MORE RIGHTS

          Hold one more, to be more right, a Caucasian dreamer with a Ukrainian flag wassat
        4. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 17 September 2013 23: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Predskazamus
          at one time the same Caucasians, the Wild Division was given the lyulee of the invincible invincible Austrian army

          In Ukraine, history was canceled as a heavy legacy of the conscientious past?)))
          An anecdote of the European General Staffists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
          -What is the Italian army for?
          - So that the Austrians could at least defeat someone ...

          "Invincible Austrian army" is strong.)))))) In memoris)))
      3. Double major
        Double major 17 September 2013 12: 53 New
        +6
        And, by the way, the Syrians, if by that time they’ll deal with their bandits, they’ll be happy to help us ... They love, for some time, our Czechs and Dagis ...
    2. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 17 September 2013 10: 01 New
      -35
      oh immediately zaminusovali. you listen to the Nazis and we should have been praying because they to us with high technology pearl.
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 17 September 2013 10: 04 New
        22
        your ancestors experienced high technologies of fascists in concentration camps
        1. Darakht
          Darakht 17 September 2013 10: 08 New
          -7
          Quote: soldier's grandson
          your ancestors experienced high technologies of fascists in concentration camps

          And your not?
          1. soldier's grandson
            soldier's grandson 17 September 2013 10: 10 New
            10
            didn’t have time to apply my grandfather was able to escape, and even then managed to return and destroy the camp guards coexisting from the ss
          2. little man
            little man 17 September 2013 17: 56 New
            +1
            He just remembers and reminds. And if you have nothing to write, then just read.
        2. GOGY
          GOGY 17 September 2013 10: 21 New
          +7
          His ancestors guarded our ancestors in Nazi concentration camps and wore armbands with the inscription "policeman"
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 17 September 2013 10: 29 New
        11
        oh immediately zaminusovali. you listen to the Nazis and we should have been praying because they to us with high technology pearl. Yes, you do not pay attention to them. People do not understand that a small victorious war against Georgia is a war against an organized army (although it’s a golem as practice has shown). And the war that is brewing like narva after the Olympics is a war of minds, mentality, and our enemy is very cruel, not knowing morality. Therefore, there is not enough physical cleaning in the villages, and cleaning up in the minds is not possible with kondochka. This must be understood.
      3. RBLip
        RBLip 17 September 2013 12: 20 New
        +2
        can I answer for all? WENT FROM THE SITE Troll Smelly! am
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 17 September 2013 12: 42 New
          0
          this is some kind of predictions.
          1. Predskazamus
            Predskazamus 17 September 2013 13: 27 New
            0
            Thank you)))) I just decided to prove to him how easy it is to manage the negative in people)))) And if Russia leaves the podium of the Significant and Strong States, then everything in the Caucasus will burn with a blue flame with the hand of the Yankees. And until that couple people they realize that they live in the same country and they have one enemy and we’ll be weak only with the enemy.
        2. xan
          xan 17 September 2013 14: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: RBLip
          can I answer for all? WENT FROM THE SITE Troll Smelly!

          what are you, bro, here you have to put your opponents in the red book
          it’s very hard for them, the card does not go, and it won’t come
    3. ultra
      ultra 17 September 2013 10: 15 New
      16
      Quote: Predskazamus
      if the whole Caucasus rises against Russia at once, it will end

      This will be the last time he gets up!
      1. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 17 September 2013 14: 52 New
        -6
        The Caucasus withstood the Huns, the Khazars, the Arab caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, Persia, that is, the Turkic shahs before Russia will be for a long time))))))))))
        1. xan
          xan 17 September 2013 15: 06 New
          15
          Quote: Predskazamus
          The Caucasus withstood the Huns, the Khazars, the Arab caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, Persia, that is, the Turkic shahs before Russia will be for a long time))))))))))

          One more nonsense can be attributed to this - Russia has been at war for 50 years with the Caucasus.
          If anyone knows the history of the Caucasian war, he will not listen to this lyrics. Ermolov screwed the Caucasus 30 years before the official end. With only 16 fighters throughout the Caucasus, he also drove the Persians like jackals. It is not Russia's fault that Ermolov suddenly became displeased with the tsar, that then they suddenly began to negotiate with the local elite, for some reason bring it to the oath and forgive repeated treason. If Yermolov remained, or such as Tsitsianov, there would be no song about the 000-year war in the Caucasus. This is about the role of the individual in history.
          1. Predskazamus
            Predskazamus 17 September 2013 15: 54 New
            -16
            you weed did not smoke woodpecker?
      2. baton140105
        baton140105 17 September 2013 22: 48 New
        +2
        Do not say, do not say The war with only Chechens was hardly jammed (not won, namely, jammed) !!!!
        1. xan
          xan 18 September 2013 12: 27 New
          0
          Quote: baton140105
          Do not say, do not say The war with only Chechens was hardly jammed (not won, namely, jammed) !!!!

          Yeah, Stalin and the Chechens also simply hushed up.
    4. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 17 September 2013 10: 24 New
      +1
      Predskazamus if the whole Caucasus immediately stands against Russia, it will end. Correctly say brother. Here they say that they won’t clatter with the Caucasus, they just don’t understand that there are savages, I also agree that you can’t clatter, and then either just pretend that there weren’t any Caucasian mountains, or there’s a lot of blood. Now, only the Olympics will finish, and there it will begin be healthy ...
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    6. consul
      consul 17 September 2013 11: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: Predskazamus
      if the whole Caucasus rises against Russia at once, it will end.


      If all of Russia rises and spits on the Caucasus, he will drown.
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 17 September 2013 12: 21 New
        +1
        it’s scary to imagine what will happen to them if we all get down a little belay
        1. Raiven
          Raiven 17 September 2013 15: 25 New
          +2
          and if all the Chinese would wassat the yellow sea appeared laughing
      2. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 17 September 2013 14: 54 New
        -5
        as if across the throat did not get up)))))))
    7. Max otto
      Max otto 17 September 2013 11: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: Predskazamus
      if the whole Caucasus rises against Russia at once, it will end.

      Caucasus - at once? Ha! Armenians with Azerbaijanis, and Abkhazians and Ossetians with Georgians laugh at you in incredible cramps. Then Israel and Iran together will create a union state faster.
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        1. Predskazamus
          Predskazamus 17 September 2013 13: 28 New
          -2
          You confused me with an Armenian?))
        2. Max otto
          Max otto 17 September 2013 15: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: kenig1
          Miracle lambwhich you Ossetians and in the majority of Orthodox Abkhazians, Armenian Christians in whom your cohorts aiser more than 20 years ago. Each Ossetian dreams of killing a Chechen or an Ingush. Georgia has shown itself in all its glory. You only from the bushes from the back boldly attack.

          Did you answer me? In order to avoid incomprehensible situations, follow the "reply" button, click the "quote" button, and never be rude, there are mostly cultural people on the site, as I noticed. Actually, I singled out claims, why did I suddenly, an atheist, but baptized, suddenly become a fellow believer in Azerbaijan? You would expose your stream of consciousness in more understandable forms.
          If you look, you wrote the same thing as I did: there is no single Caucasus and cannot be.
          1. Predskazamus
            Predskazamus 17 September 2013 15: 58 New
            -5
            will be. ))))))))))))) this is all your Wishlist !!!!!!
        3. baton140105
          baton140105 17 September 2013 22: 54 New
          +2
          I will correct the Ossetians and the Chechens a little bit rather warm relations can even be said fraternal. which can’t be said about relations with the Ingush and Georgians "mutual love is here")))))
      2. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 17 September 2013 14: 56 New
        -8
        Armenians are not Caucasians do not confuse them. In the Caucasus, everyone considers immigrants to be a purulent wound and a splinter brought by Russia. All of them have the same opinion about the Chechen Avarsi Ossetians Kabardintzi Lysgin.
    8. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 17 September 2013 12: 12 New
      14
      Quote: Predskazamus
      if the whole Caucasus rises against Russia at once, it will end.

      I allow myself to disagree with you. Russia has never been involved in genocide in history, unlike "cultural Europeans." All actions in the Caucasus have always been conducted "to subjugate," that is, to destroy gangsterism, reconciliation and cultivation. And with its humanism, Russia was burned many times, in the same Caucasus. Maybe it’s enough to portray Mother Teresa? It’s time to adopt the experience of Britons and Amers ... The Caucasus will rise against Russia, well, and exterminate tries ... rebels! And their friends, and neighbors, and sympathizers ... And let human rights activists rage and other liberoids! Natural selection, you know ...
      Could not live peacefully, lie still in the grave ...
    9. ortodox
      ortodox 17 September 2013 12: 55 New
      +5
      if the whole Caucasus rises at once ... rises, rises so it will be even more convenient!
    10. max702
      max702 17 September 2013 15: 30 New
      +2
      The population of the Caucasus is 5,4 million. the population of one Sverdlovsk region is 4.5 million, and even the Caucasus will have plenty of it .. don’t be dashing yet quietly ..
      1. baton140105
        baton140105 17 September 2013 22: 58 New
        0
        Do not compare Caucasians with the population of Sverdlovsk or some other region. Following the example of our own Army, it is clear that a group of Caucasians can hold a whole part in their fist ... Why aren’t you heroing there, bench press? I don’t speak for all the Russian guys, but the fact is a fact .. it’s not regrettable and I personally don’t greet hazing ...
        1. Egor.nic
          Egor.nic 18 September 2013 11: 33 New
          +2
          You are ignorantly mistaken. a Caucasian, like an Asian, is cowardly by nature, and covers his cowardice with insolence and insolent attacks - this is for information. It affects some.
          There are enough examples when in the acting units, a dozen Russian guys kept 2-3 dozen Caucasians in fear, educating them every night for wrongdoing.
          Therefore, before crumbling a loaf, and show off show show think.
          Yes, every nation has sons who can be offended by anyone, even a kid, unfortunately fate brings them to freaks.
    11. carbofo
      carbofo 17 September 2013 16: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Predskazamus
      if the whole Caucasus rises against Russia at once, it will end.

      JA is always such JA :).
      No need to test our patience for strength, it can become very expensive.
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  • Bronis
    Bronis 17 September 2013 10: 10 New
    23
    A curious photo (second from the right). However, there was no one to rely on there. That, however, is no reason to forget, and amendments need to be made ...
    97% in the presidential election is certainly good, but the “Heart of Chechnya” as the main symbol of Russia ... it is indicative.
    1. Predskazamus
      Predskazamus 17 September 2013 14: 59 New
      -3
      Kadyrov and his group were initially introduced into the militia in order to split the Chechens.))))))) But the person who said that in order to go to paradise needed to kill 0 unfaithful Russians and thereby undermining the authority of the militia, suddenly became a friend. otherwise that mentally limited person is being demoted. And the younger Kadyrov at the post will not be removed for long in the near future, as his father, the same FSB officers, will be removed
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 17 September 2013 17: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Predskazamus
        Kadyrov and his group were initially introduced into the militia in order to split the Chechens.)))))))
        Yeah. So in the history textbook and write.
        Although both Chechen wars are a very complicated and controversial topic. Many who needed it.
        At some period, they were able to lure the teip to their side and well. It is bad that with the "lure" is clearly overdone.
        Well, the circumstances of the meeting between Kadyrov Sr. and Allah will long excite the imagination and not without reason. Although the most likely clan disassembly, and not the FSB. Kadyrov was left with power, and the youngest even “served out” the chairman of the pr-v until 30 years to become president. And the FSB is working more delicately, without any questions, and there was nothing to upset the “balance of forces” in Chechnya. There immediately the bickering intensified, which threatened with problems
        1. baton140105
          baton140105 17 September 2013 23: 03 New
          -8
          Do not forget that the first Chechen was provoked and initiated by Moscow.
          1. Egor.nic
            Egor.nic 18 September 2013 11: 38 New
            +1
            You didn’t think again what you said
    2. wei
      wei 17 September 2013 22: 33 New
      +2
      97% in the presidential election is certainly good,

      for him there would have so much voted 500 rubles had to be invested in Tver in Ryazan in Smolensk in Omsk in Perm .......
      face to the Caucasus can only be standing up to us *
  • 222222
    222222 17 September 2013 10: 22 New
    +4
    Good one. but a forgotten Russian proverb: "if you do not feed the wolf, he all the same looks into the forest"
  • artemiy
    artemiy 17 September 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    They only understand the power and the whip!
  • hiocraib
    hiocraib 17 September 2013 11: 07 New
    +5
    Moscow has signed its weakness giving power to the Chechen leader.

    giving power and an annual quitrent to the Chechen godfather.
    I recall the Kadyrovs in a tracksuit at a reception in the Kremlin, guaranteeing GDP ...
    or his general epaulettes of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
  • bodriy
    bodriy 17 September 2013 12: 14 New
    +5
    If there is no reaction of the government, then it simply does not deserve our trust! Where is this Ministry of Culture, I’m waiting for a speech, on the carpet before the people feeding him !!!
  • Farvil
    Farvil 17 September 2013 13: 29 New
    +4
    If it weren’t for Lebed and Yeltsin, then this issue would not have been the first Chechen one, but they would have sold our fallen and not fallen fighters for pennies. These sellers are still in power.
  • tommytros
    tommytros 17 September 2013 14: 10 New
    +3
    Not a wolf, but jackals !!!
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 17 September 2013 15: 05 New
    +1
    Let this damn democracy burn in hell. It’s a pity that they didn’t finish everyone in the 90s.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 17 September 2013 15: 40 New
    0
    Finally I read a worthy, truthful article about the processes that are disastrous for Russia that are taking place in the national republics. The author is absolutely right in his assessments of these processes. It is necessary to stop saturating the "elites", flirt with them, publicly identify their Judas and their heroes, both modern and from the past. Authorities should publicly evaluate leaders such as Kadyrov, Minnikhanov, Shaimiev, their actions, similar to those described in the article.
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 17 September 2013 17: 31 New
    0
    Next year, this monument will become a symbol of Cherossia.he. Forgot to put a monument to Basayev in Moscow.
  • kris
    kris 17 September 2013 18: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The unfinished "Caucasian Question" has come up with more than once ...
    Have you decided to tame the wolf with sweets?

    Glory to Vladimir Vladimirovich !!!!!
  • user
    user 17 September 2013 20: 50 New
    +6
    I believe that this is a mistake of Putin V.P. as president of the Russian Federation, and there’s nothing to blame on Medvedev today, he is only the prime minister. Probably the VP is busy with more important matters than "than such trifles", probably this is not a royal matter. But if suddenly the time comes, it turns out that there is no one to protect this power. . . .
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 18 September 2013 19: 54 New
    0
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The unfinished "Caucasian Question" has come up with more than once ...
    Have you decided to tame the wolf with sweets?


    Not sweets, but loot and permissiveness.
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 19 September 2013 03: 22 New
    0
    yes yes yes - and with sweets and such an impression with the blood and flesh of our soldiers who laid their heads there sweeping out all this trash
  • Su24
    Su24 23 September 2013 16: 58 New
    +1
    The bottom line is that in a single state there should be uniform heroes, people on whom historical memory holds, national myths are built. For Russia, these are Svyatoslav, Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Sergius, Ivan the Terrible,
    Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ermolov ... When ethnic factions begin to praise people who fought with the empire and create their own national myths, this is a failure of the center’s policy. A strategic mistake that leads to new big blood in the future.


    I don’t understand, the author, what offers the Chechens to love Yermolov? This is the same thing that we would love Batu Khan.
  • j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 17 September 2013 07: 20 New
    +8
    I don’t understand Kadyrov. Does he really think that Russia needs him and is important
    (this is only a matter of time)
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 17 September 2013 09: 52 New
      +4
      While needed and important.
      To date, the republic has actually implemented sole management.
      In this status, there is no possibility of the appearance of another leader or several.
      When the tasks, the solution of which is possible only in this alignment of forces, will be solved, the Federal Center will concern itself with this issue.
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 17 September 2013 12: 01 New
        +1
        Kadyrov, Dudaev did not even dream of such a power.
      2. xan
        xan 17 September 2013 15: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: 787nkx
        When the tasks, the solution of which is possible only in this alignment of forces, will be solved, the Federal Center will concern itself with this issue.

        I agree.
        There are people in Kadyrov’s environment who understand this and are trying to somehow influence him. This is evident from some facts. But young Kadyrov has problems with IQ and nerves. Therefore, his future is uncertain. Old Kadyrov was smarter, and most importantly much more needed in the Caucasus.
        There are no problems in the Caucasus that Russia is not able to solve. The question is the price of the solution.
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 17 September 2013 16: 49 New
          0
          Actually the question is price, now it’s profitable for us not to throw matches in a barrel with gasoline.
          Because the general situation in that direction is not to our liking, and therefore stability in the place of boiling poop suits us
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 17 September 2013 07: 22 New
    39
    I read this .... I would like to hear the Kremlin’s reaction, I’ve only got a normative .... in Russia to put a “monument to the heroes” against RUSSIA ... Uhhh! In response, only a monument to the RUSSIAN SOLDIER IN THE CENTER OF GROZNY! hi
    1. Darakht
      Darakht 17 September 2013 07: 30 New
      16
      Do you think someone there cares about the Kremlin’s reaction? Yours, my reaction? Allah gives money to Kadyrov, and only before Allah does he answer am
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 17 September 2013 10: 21 New
        +7
        Since this is the money of Russian taxpayers (that is, you and I), then Allah is also for us. And we demand an answer angry
      2. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 17 September 2013 11: 02 New
        +5
        I am a realist and completely agree with you, BUT ... there must be a limit to cynicism ... I heard on TV that they want to assign the title of "City of Military Glory" to Grozny .... and this is after 1994 ... there are no words MAT ... our RUSSIAN, untranslatable ... request hi
        1. washi
          washi 17 September 2013 15: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Valery Neon
          I am a realist and completely agree with you, BUT ... there must be a limit to cynicism ... I heard on TV that they want to assign the title of "City of Military Glory" to Grozny .... and this is after 1994 ... there are no words MAT ... our RUSSIAN, untranslatable ... request hi

          If Russian military glory, then I agree
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    3. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 17 September 2013 08: 09 New
      +9
      Also extremely indignant.
      Quote: Valery Neon
      I would like to hear the Kremlin’s reaction

      But the Kremlin, like, did not know. )))
      Quote: Valery Neon
      only a monument to the Russian soldier in the center of Grozny!

      Carthage must be destroyed. Together with the new "symbol" of Russia. My value judgment. Otherwise, it will be even worse.
      1. consul
        consul 17 September 2013 11: 14 New
        +2
        One thing is clear, the next time there will be no restoration of Chechnya.
      2. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 17 September 2013 12: 37 New
        0
        Fucking Ekibastus ... You're Right
        Quote: Andrey from Tver
        Carthage must be destroyed
        , amendment .... instead of "must", let me, WILL!, yeah ...repeat
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 17 September 2013 07: 25 New
    37
    The "Chechen question" has yet to be resolved. And by the Yermolov methods, which have proven themselves well in the century before last. "Children of the Mountains" in vain amuse themselves with the hope that they will be forgotten by thousands of carved Russians. You’ll have to answer for everything once, female dogs ...
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 08: 21 New
      +6
      We are very kind, very Russian! It will be necessary to solve it, but until it gets bored, or people don’t have patience, we will feed them, pay them monuments and build new housing for them, and the mountain people, in gratitude, do not care about us - tolerance however! angry fool stop
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 17 September 2013 10: 59 New
        15
        Correctly, the French did that, having left Africa, they did not leave behind anything that could come true as a “start” for independent development. The population is poor, not literate, with virtually no medical care. The French did not prepare any specialists to replace themselves. and now, at the enterprises that have remained from the French, the natives run errands, wash the floors, and the experts are all invited from European countries, including from France and the countries of the former USSR for VERY decent money. My husband was on a business trip to Senegal 2 years ago, he says you can’t even imagine such POVERTY as there! And Russia brought all Asians and “proud” MOUNTAINS into the people, trained, arranged, and they spit on it and spread their mafia throughout Russia, are engaged in robberies, extortions and killings and terrorism, in short - THANKS!
        And about this "monument", there are no words, they continue to educate Volchat, in hatred of the Russians ...
        1. Predskazamus
          Predskazamus 17 September 2013 13: 34 New
          -5
          oh god just don't need this srach. she taught. you answer with the same coin. what you reap and reap.
          1. carbofo
            carbofo 17 September 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Predskazamus
            oh god just don't need this srach. she taught. you answer with the same coin. what you reap and reap.

            You are not very educated and therefore not very wise :)
            And therefore, you absolutely do not understand anything.
            Learn the story, read and think more, and then maybe you will understand, but the likelihood of this is minimal.
            Maybe then the truth will be revealed to you that the world is pretty different from what they write in the Primer.
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 18 September 2013 04: 34 New
            +1
            Sit "deer" in your mountains, and don’t stick your nose out!
      2. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 17 September 2013 23: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Crocodile
        We’ll have to solve it, but until it’s boring, or the people don’t have patience, we’ll feed them,

        I do not agree. All this lasts as long as the System takes a pronounced anti-Russian position: “I am Caucasian” is a sign of national self-identification, “I am Russian” is a fascist slogan, inciting ethnic hatred and further down the list. As soon as we find ourselves in equal starting positions, everything will quickly settle down. Or a number of "small nationalities" will be listed in the Red Book.
    2. Gur
      Gur 17 September 2013 08: 42 New
      12
      Unlike you and me, these people have a long memory, we can forgive, forget, in the name of peace and friendship and something else that we are being thrown into. These are not, he can live with you for centuries, smile at a meeting for years, take part in public life, and at home he will teach children what we need to be cut out, at any convenient opportunity, earlier quietly, now when a bunch of shit is raised by diasporas for every arrest ( in general, who gave them such rights to open some kind of diaspora whether they live abroad or something?) they are already doing this openly, because they are not afraid of laws. Well, all kinds of Lezginka monuments on Red Square, and so on, this is a test of the pen, so to speak, you acknowledge, but acknowledge, it means you can also demand separation or some other dividends. In Kazakhstan, there was another incident that was jammed, so it’s not clear who is who and for what, but you can read the comments, the Kazakhs do not differ with words. http://www.zakon.kz/page,1,2,4572599-dvd-almatinskojj-oblasti-razyskivaet.html
      1. hommer
        hommer 17 September 2013 11: 17 New
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        Quote: GUR
        you can read komenty, Kazakhs do not differ with words.


        I quote one comment - Arman: "It is time for the Caucasians living in our Kazakhstan that we are not the ones who will be constantly silent. The Kazakhs have a difference from other peoples" we are very observant and patient, but for the time being. "Do not confuse the definition." kindness "and" weakness. "To refresh your memory, remember the events in the Almaty region, Malovodnoye, Shelek, Talgar, Kaskelen, Atyrau, Aktau, Taraz, when the Kazakhs turned over the red-hot nations. Live - live peacefully, with respecting faith, language, feelings, traditions, laws of the local population. "

        Exactly with us Caucasians go. I have good friends, friends Azerbaijanis, Turks - we communicate, relax together. But if someone is forgotten, then we quickly remind you on whose land they are, right up to the burning of houses and murders. When the Chechens began to burn houses and shoot at Malovodny, their old men came to ask for forgiveness from our elders for overgrown young animals.
        Humanism is inappropriate here. They don’t understand otherwise.
        I have no right to give advice, but it seems to me that you yourself are to blame. If Caucasians run into the Kazakhs on the street (in principle, I can’t imagine, but it can be hypothetically), all the Kazakhs who are around will simply trample them.
        But it’s not so with you, each only for himself.
        1. Gur
          Gur 17 September 2013 13: 11 New
          12
          This is the trouble of the Russians, we don’t have a herd of feelings, we only remember kinship in moments of danger, trouble, or in a foreign land, when every Russian is a brother. Yes, and this wildness probably ended in us when we did not look at the laws, but took drin, stake, pitchfork, and then both our friends and strangers got it. Now we expect more from the authorities, the force of habit brought up by owls. power. Although the media in Russia, unlike Kazakhstan, show that the government protects more Chechens from Russians than Russians from Chechens, in Kazakhstan (also, incidentally, a multinational country), the law is for the most part on the side of the titular nation. He himself grew up in Kazakhstan, who wanted to be friends, who were not, fought with the Kazakhs and the Chechens and the Russians, there was everything. I don’t know how in Russia, (service doesn’t count) I didn’t live, I was driving over to Siberia, and I (Siberians) warned them that let the slack sit on my neck, that’s how it happened. First, a stall, then a store , then the bazaar, and now the Siberians are already working for them.
          1. Walking
            Walking 17 September 2013 19: 09 New
            0
            Judging by the media, there is a feeling that the power in Russia was bought by all these Chechens so it protects them.
    3. baton140105
      baton140105 17 September 2013 23: 07 New
      -3
      yeah and you will be in the forefront))))))))) 0
  • j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 17 September 2013 07: 25 New
    10
    soon he will get this monument across his throat
    (well, you need to be such a nerd)
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 08: 23 New
      +4
      laughing As they finally get tired, they will bury as a father, with honor ...
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 17 September 2013 07: 32 New
    14
    The appeal should reach the president and let the authorities give a comment on this matter ... such mocars in some Russian republics will begin to erect monuments to all Basmachis, jackals and thieves, considering them heroes.
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 08: 27 New
      +2
      The winners write the story! But in the age of tolerance, the mountaineers will soon formally demand payment of indemnities ...
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 17 September 2013 07: 38 New
    13
    The worst thing is that the RUSSIAN PEOPLE is very patient - suffers humiliation for a long time; every shusher thinks that they will change, their conscience wakes up. She wakes up and starts to regret again - maybe in vain so much. When will we CHANGE?
    1. Dober
      Dober 17 September 2013 08: 06 New
      36
      Quote: zadorin1974
      The worst thing is that the RUSSIAN PEOPLE is very patient - for a long time suffers the humiliation of any hussers thinks that they will change When will we CHANGE?

      Bearded abreks just sing along (and wave to) those who are allowed to say such things from TVs and from scenes, and write in their Zheshezheshechki:

      “Everyone in the world would feel better if the Russian nation ceased. The logic that my people are now guided by is akin to the logic of a mad dog. A rabid dog runs away, not knowing where it is, comes out with poisonous saliva and pounces on anyone it comes across. "
      / Valery Panyushkin, journalist, author of the program on the Dozhd TV channel ./

      “I consider Russian men for the most part to be animals, creatures not even of the second, but of the third grade”
      / Artemy Troitsky, music critic.

      “Why do you always talk about Russia as a Russian country? Russian, no you! This is a long, long proven fact that the Russian ethnic group does not consist of Russians! ”
      / Tina Kandelaki, just peeping sssssa /

      “My dream is to even out the place where Russia was and build something new. It’s just to level it off ... ”
      / Mikhail Zhvanetsky, pay.ssel /

      “The Russian man degraded and turned into an uninteresting scum of civilization - into a narcissistic, touchy, cowardly scum. I can say firmly, based on my own observations: a Russian man is the most vile, most disgusting and most worthless type of man on Earth ... "
      / Alfred Koch, one of the people most hated by the Yeltsin democrats /

      “I think that one of the greatest tragedies for Russia is the adoption of Orthodoxy”
      / Vladimir Pozner, thick-laced old asp /

      “It's time to stop the hypocritical lamentations about the feelings of veterans who are offended by attacks on the Soviet government. Evil must be punished. The contempt of the descendants is the smallest of what the builders and defenders of the Soviet regime deserve ”
      / Alexander Podrabinek, "uncoated" professional Russophobia /

      “If Russia were divided into parts, a normal number of parts would begin normal life.”
      / Julia Latynina, candidacy for shooting as a carrier of rabies /

      It is with these, and others like them, that we must start ... And the Kadyr Khan will think ...
      And if not, then blame quietly by the forces of the FSB and GRU.
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 17 September 2013 08: 23 New
        +9
        they eat the bread of this land and so speak of it. To crush the layer of such thinkers and experts. the surgeon cuts out the cancerous tumor as a whole, if that fails, the body dies with a guarantee, and so it is. "this" must be eradicated.
        and crush separatism. in any form and everywhere.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 17 September 2013 08: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: Dober
        It is with these, and others like them, that we must start ... And the Kadyr Khan will think ...
        And if not, then blame quietly by the forces of the FSB and GRU.

        It’s not necessary to bring down yet, too much honor, otherwise they will make of them martyrs and fighters for freedom of conscience. But to deprive of citizenship and to throw out of the country, like a lousy cat, it is simply necessary. And with a bang, with shame, a kick in the ass.
        1. Gur
          Gur 17 September 2013 09: 02 New
          +7
          No, too often we look to the west and listen to whoever says bad things about us, and the country is deeper and deeper in shit. If the shit is in the ass, then it will be a sufferer and a martyr there, and it will stink even louder for loot. Planting, confiscating property and holding, without any journalists and without coverage in the press, that in a year, two all forgot about them. Sent away, to the settlement and not some major cities, without the right to work in positions and in the media. So and only so ... in general, they have lost fear, where are our organs in general, how much can one endure this at all?
        2. Dober
          Dober 17 September 2013 09: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: Garrin
          But to deprive of citizenship and to throw out of the country, like a lousy cat, it is simply necessary.

          Again, creatures on hand. They howl that “their rights to free choice of residence” are violated, that they are “deprived of their homeland”, that they have plugged the sewer stream of “truth” from their stinking mouths ...
          Who is holding them here ... E * eat on all four sides ... Although feeding is not at the expense of Russian taxpayers, it’s okay, but no, you can’t drive them out of Russia with a filthy broom. They are beneficial to someone when they are in Russia.
          No, just get out! Well, the kadyrka has an armored car, security ... and what prevents it from helping the prince to crush caviar, to land in an orchestra pit with a fracture of the cervical vertebrae, or to catch a Latin man with his head to mount a narik in the entrance. Guilty "find and condemn", but the rest is information for consideration ...
        3. Serg 122
          Serg 122 17 September 2013 10: 25 New
          +2
          He is the Hero of Russia, so it’s impossible with him! He only listens to GDP, but he is silent ...
          1. AK-47
            AK-47 17 September 2013 11: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Serg 122
            He is the Hero of Russia, with ...

            He has other awards and the monument is not the first pearl.
            The Order of the Name of Akhmad Kadyrov is the highest award of the Chechen Republic, established on August 23, 2004
            The Order is awarded for outstanding services to the Chechen Republic.
            Kadyrov’s order is made of 750 gold and has the shape of a circle with a diameter of 33 mm weighing 55-60 grams with a convex side
            The front part of the block (convex) is inlaid with precious stones: rubies (number 36 pieces, weight 1,8 carats), sapphires (number 36 pieces, weight 1,8 carats), diamonds (number 36 pieces, weight 1,08 carats).

            Awarded:
            Sulim Yamadayev
            Magomed Kadyrov
            Ramzan Kadyrov
            Dmitry Kozak
            Saipudi Lorsanov
            Yuri Luzhkov
            Gennady Troshev
            Nursultan Nazarbayev
            Rashid Nurgaliev
            Zurab Tsereteli
            Vladimir Chub
            Sergey Ivanov
            Buvaysar Saitiev
            Haji Allahshukur Pasha Zade
            Alvi Karimov
            Arsamakov, Abubakar Alazovich
            Lebedev Vyacheslav Mikhailovich
            Magomedtagirov, Adilgerey Magomedovich
            Abramov Sergey Borisovich
            1. Dober
              Dober 17 September 2013 12: 41 New
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              The poorer the region (with its own income a little more than no ** me), the richer the order.
              And Kadyrhan is one of the most titled people in Russia. Brezhnev himself would envy the number of his awards.

              Hero of the Russian Federation - "For courage and heroism shown in the performance of official duty" .;
              "Hero of Ichkeria" - in fact, the Order of “Kyoman Siy” - “For courage and heroism shown in the fight against Russian troops”,
              Academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences;
              Laureate of the award “Russian citizen of the year”"- 2007 - victory in the nomination" In the name of life on earth ";
              "Man of the Year 2004" in the Chechen Republic
              Special rank of major general of militia - awarded by decree of President Medvedev? Before him, only Gagarin and Shoigu managed to make such jumps in the service.
              Memorial sign “For the achievements of culture”; what

              Order of Kyoman Turpal - also, by the decree of Maskhadov in 1997;
              Order for Services to the Fatherland, IV degree - “For courage, courage and dedication shown in the performance of official duty”;
              Order of Courage;
              Order “For the Development of Parliamentarism in the Chechen Republic”;
              The order named after Akhmat Kadyrov - Ramzan awarded himself with an order founded by himself, in honor of his own dead father; fool
              Order of Al-Fahr I degree - awarded by the Council of Muftis of Russia;

              Medal "For participation in the counter-terrorism operation on the territory of the Chechen Republic";
              Medal "For Distinction in the Protection of Public Order";
              Medal "For Merit in the Conduct of the All-Russian Population Census"; laughing
              Medal "Defender of the Chechen Republic";
              Medal "For Service in the Caucasus" - It is on sale in any stall of a military trade without any documents;

              This is only half.

              - What education do you have?
              - Higher legal. I finish. I pass the exams.
              - What kind?
              - How is it - which ones? Exams, that's all.
              - What is the name of the institute that you graduate from?
              - Branch of the Moscow Institute of Business. In Gudermes. Legal that is.
              - What is your specialization?
              - I am a lawyer.
              - A diploma in what law? To the criminal? Civilian?
              - I forgot. He wrote down the topic, but forgot. A lot of events.

              / From an interview with A.Politkovskaya /
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 17 September 2013 15: 28 New
                +2
                - There isn’t enough the Nobel Prize for contribution to the cultural development of Chechnya ... The authorities still have work to do.
              2. xan
                xan 17 September 2013 15: 35 New
                -3
                Quote: Dober
                - I forgot. He wrote down the topic, but forgot. A lot of events.

                Yes, Dober, I look at the topic you are specifically savvy.
                1. Dober
                  Dober 17 September 2013 16: 05 New
                  +5
                  Quote: xan
                  Yes, Dober, I look at the topic you are specifically savvy.

                  And then ... And this is reproached?
                  How do you like this -

                  There are two.
                  “Have you been to the zoo?”
                  - Yes...
                  - Did you see the king of animals?
                  - What are you doing? The king of the Beasts is Ramzan Kadyrov, and the lion in the zoo.
                  1. Proud.
                    Proud. 17 September 2013 21: 59 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Dober
                    The king of the Beasts is Ramzan Kadyrov, and the lion in the zoo.

                    Sorry, I can’t resist: The question is the fastest land beast? The answer is a Chechen on Porsche.
              3. baton140105
                baton140105 17 September 2013 23: 15 New
                +2
                This Chechnya is a poor region ?????? o_O. Yes, they have oil Russian companies annually pump out billions ..
      3. Gur
        Gur 17 September 2013 08: 55 New
        13
        Having read these excerpts, I would like to shout - "Where are you Russian people ?, they live on your land, on your body, they live in sweetness, such scum. Are we all drunk? Are we all reborn under the influence of the West? Is there really nothing left of us ? "
        1. xan
          xan 17 September 2013 15: 44 New
          -2
          Quote: GUR
          "Where are you Russian people ?, they live on your land, on your body, they live in sweetness, such scum. Are we all drunk? Are we all reborn under the influence of the West? Is there really nothing left in us?"

          And what are you yelling, voting out of measure?
          What to do, in a pack to go astray?
          I talked with one Rostovite, recognizes the problem, and the fact that it is better not to mess with Caucasians. Those to the extreme can flush off to the Caucasus, where everything is seized from them, and the Russians can be screwed up here by cops
          1. Gur
            Gur 18 September 2013 07: 36 New
            +1
            You would have delved into the topic, - "here not only for yelling but also for barking for dogs with sublimation" - (if you want to get this phrase wise guy) And what about the Caucasians? Mlyn, it was about those statements that are given above, and alas, they were not made by Caucasians, so do not slow down .. Now it’s clear how people are on Bolotnaya.
      4. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 17 September 2013 09: 18 New
        22
        ... I can say firmly, based on my own observations: a Russian man is the most vile, most disgusting and most worthless type of man on Earth ...

        I can say firmly, on the basis of my own observations: a Russian man is the best, most powerful, smart, handsome, reliable and most worthy type of man on Earth !!!
        Simple russian woman
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 17 September 2013 09: 37 New
          +6
          For your wisdom, we love you too love Kahlan amnell
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 17 September 2013 10: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: zadorin1974
            For your wisdom, we love you and love Kahlan Amnell

            Let me join you.
        2. Dober
          Dober 17 September 2013 09: 38 New
          +6
          Quote: Kahlan Amnell
          I can say firmly based on my own observations

          That is why you will not have a place in the media. Unfortunately hi
          "A simple Russian woman" is not some kind of "brylska" to you ... Who is she "interesting", except for her husband and children ...
          I will tell you a secret that many “ordinary German women” (as well as men) agree with you, who had the opportunity to meet Russians not on the tattered Turechinsky beaches, but in their own country, in ordinary “living conditions”. They would add - "the most generous, funny, open, welcoming, resourceful, skillful and .... unpredictable laughing

          In general - Ich danke Ihnen, eine einfache Russische Frau!
          Ich wünsche Ihnen eine einfache Frauen das Glück! love
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 17 September 2013 13: 34 New
            0
            Of course, the Russian man is the best! At the end of 25, a nephew of 90 years with his German wife left for Germany from Kazakhstan (he would not have left Russia), works at some car repair factory. Over the 15 years of work, many have fired people due to crises and other reasons, and without a nephew, the director feels like without hands. The nephew does not have time to leave on vacation, it does not even take 10 days, he already calls: - "Come back soon, a good order has arrived, I won’t trust anyone without you!" There you go! Since childhood, his father taught everything, his hands are golden, and how he cooks !!! Yes, we have a Korean woman at work, after an unsuccessful attempt to marry a Russian, she said with confidence: - "Anyway, I will marry a Russian!" when asked why, she answered that only Russian men treat women equally and with respect! And she did marry RUSSIAN!
            1. Dober
              Dober 17 September 2013 15: 40 New
              +6
              Quote: ia-ai00
              Of course, the Russian man is the best!

              What are we all about men, but men. Here I will tell about one case.
              Three years ago, in Hanover, he was driving in a car alone in the penultimate right lane. No traffic - you drive ten meters, you stand for five minutes. So you are looking at people on the sidewalk.
              Glance focused on a girl of 10-12 years old on roller skates. She rolled to the post, leaned her back and, apparently, having heard the phone in her jacket, began to get it out. Lost her balance, her legs rolled and she first hit the back of her head on a pole, and then fell hard on the asphalt.
              I can’t jerk out of the car, only the hand mechanically behind the phone. This did not happen for long, during which time several passers-by passed by the girls. Someone looked, and most turned away. Then out of nowhere a woman flew up, cracked something elusively familiar, and began to raise cuttlefish. I hear, and the woman at the same time consoles the girl, and wipes her elbows from the blood and the face from the snot, and at the same time she covers both passers-by and all Germans at once, and the whole "rotting west" in bulk. And it’s all bonfire in RUSSIAN.
              I lowered the window, waved my hand, yelled at her so that she would go to the car herself and drive the little girl. And she looked at me. I heard something that I was speaking in Russian, but maybe I didn’t understand, or maybe I don’t trust anyone here already ...
              In short, she smiled from ear to ear, covered me with a "three-story", not forgetting about others, grabbed the "skater" and dragged her closest to the bench.
              And I went. And somehow it became joyful, and pride in RUSSIAN (maybe Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, or even someone from the former USSR) WOMEN.
              Do not replace them with bundles or guardians, ANYONE !!!
              Yes, and why ... It is necessary to value your own! repeat love fellow
              1. xan
                xan 17 September 2013 16: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: Dober
                And I went. And somehow it became joyful, and pride in RUSSIAN (maybe Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, or even someone from the former USSR) WOMEN.
                Do not replace them with bundles or guardians, ANYONE !!!
                Yes, and why ... It is necessary to value your own!

                A distant relative from Canada came to visit us in St. Petersburg with a 30-year-old Canadian husband. They were not for long, only 4 days. All days, the Canadian walked like being hit by an empty sack from around the corner. When they left, I asked him what he liked in St. Petersburg, well, I thought - parks, palaces, etc. And he is the number of beautiful women! But these beauties have a dad and a mom, which all Trinity can not stand.
      5. Yon_Silent
        Yon_Silent 17 September 2013 09: 39 New
        +2
        for a good tip-thanks!
        1. Dober
          Dober 17 September 2013 09: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Jon_ Quiet
          Thank you!

          You're welcome!
          How about you, Accurate Eye, Sharp Claw and Shining Fang!
          Have a good hunting!

          I almost forgot ... Dimka-bullish, silberte leave me. This hog is my prey. The time will come, I will drown in his own sucker ...
      6. radio operator
        radio operator 17 September 2013 15: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Dober
        And with these, and the like, we have to start ...

        I agree. All this scum pushes the country into the abyss.
    2. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 08: 29 New
      +1
      In-in no way the hand does not rise to beat so that there was nothing to regret!
      1. Walking
        Walking 17 September 2013 19: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: xan
        Quote: GUR
        "Where are you Russian people ?, they live on your land, on your body, they live in sweetness, such scum. Are we all drunk? Are we all reborn under the influence of the West? Is there really nothing left in us?"

        And what are you yelling, voting out of measure?
        What to do, in a pack to go astray?
        I talked with one Rostovite, recognizes the problem, and the fact that it is better not to mess with Caucasians. Those to the extreme can flush off to the Caucasus, where everything is seized from them, and the Russians can be screwed up here by cops


        Yes, for now, so many people argue that Caucasians are already fighting in a flock and tearing all of them one by one.
  • forester
    forester 17 September 2013 07: 38 New
    11
    The 172-hour carpet bombardment is the solution. Putin gives him the Star of the Hero, and he is a nationalist monument to Putin. I do not know the truth or not, but I heard that in the hero city of Volgograd the street was named after this bandit, if so I have no words--
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 08: 31 New
      +3
      Have you heard about Moscow? belay
      They consider themselves winners, and behaves accordingly! stop
    2. kris
      kris 17 September 2013 20: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: forester
      Putin gives him the Star of the Hero, and he is a nationalist monument to Putin.

      raven raven eye will not peck !!!!
  • Rash
    Rash 17 September 2013 07: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: GEORGE
    This is not only the Caucasus concerns. Each affiliated people in our multinational state will have a mass of national heroes, who by no means always stand with us on one side of the barricades.

    Correctly. Here in Bashkiria, Salavat, the closest associate and commander of Pugachev, is considered a national hero. And they did not fight on the side of the Russian Empire.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 17 September 2013 08: 19 New
      0
      Pugachev’s commander? Bashkir ChSV?
    2. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 17 September 2013 13: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Rash
      Salavat, Pugachev. And they did not fight on the side of the Russian Empire.

      Pugachev fought under the name of the Russian emperor Peter III.
      And they did not fight against the Russian Empire, but for the fact that life in this empire would be better for everyone. Expressing themselves in the modern way - they were a healthy opposition, not separatists.
  • Vasily T.
    Vasily T. 17 September 2013 07: 45 New
    +5
    By such actions, this navel of the Chechen land will earn a hernia. And GDP is not as simple as it seems. Without surgical intervention here is clearly not enough. I assume that preparations are already underway for the operation.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 17 September 2013 11: 46 New
      0
      underway)))
      1. Dober
        Dober 18 September 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Asgard
        underway)

        How does a council member state?
        May God, or Svarog! ...
        We are united in this ...
  • Basileus
    Basileus 17 September 2013 07: 45 New
    +7
    I will probably express an seditious thought now, but there are monuments to fighters against the state in many cities of Russia, but the scribbler is only concerned about the Caucasus. There are, for example, many monuments to the rebel Pugachev, the city is named after him, his associate Salavat Yulaev is generally depicted on the coat of arms of Bashkiria. Stepan Razin also has many monuments. But for some reason, these monuments of “fighters with the system” and “separatists” suit everyone.
    But the tsar’s punishers, in general, didn’t stand on ceremony with either the Caucasians or the Russians, so those who love Ermolov’s methods so much should not forget that the same methods were used against any rebels in Russia - be it a Caucasian highlander, Volga peasant or Pomeranian hunter.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 17 September 2013 07: 51 New
      +9
      All this is just history, but to erect a monument in a hot, unstable point of the country, with an obvious gangster and thief’s history is at least not respect for the big country that you are a part of and which feeds you, taking money subsidies from other regions.
    2. igor_ua
      igor_ua 17 September 2013 08: 55 New
      +8
      Do not distort! Yulaev, Razin, Pugachev are not separatists, but fighters against the dominance of serfdom, the loss of privileges and freemen. And national liberate. the aspect does not have to be sculpted here.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 17 September 2013 09: 24 New
        +1
        That's why I took the separatists in quotation marks. In addition, it is clear that one can get rid of dominance either by seizing power or by trying to separate - otherwise mitigation will be short-lived. The experience of the Volga uprisings taught the rebels this, so they finally went for a walk under Pugachev.
        Thought, however, is not the point. And the fact that the punishers were also not saints, and one should not be glad for the Yermolov methods, when they used the same against their own.
      2. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 17 September 2013 17: 59 New
        -2
        Quote: igor_ua
        Do not distort! Yulaev, Razin, Pugachev are not separatists, but fighters against the dominance of serfdom, the loss of privileges and freemen. And national liberate. the aspect does not have to be sculpted here.


        Well with Razin more careful. Read books about him. There was also that gangster — why did he go to Persia — did he fight serfdom? He said so - let's go for the zipuns. I read the forum and wonder, everyone writes that we are Russian humane, kind, not like Anglo-Saxons. But at the same time, everyone who is against us should be destroyed, exiled, burned with a hot iron. It was necessary to separate them in the 90s, introduce a visa regime and let them cut each other until they become wiser. And to take out the Russians — for the money that we spent on the war and for the subsequent restoration, they could be perfectly equipped (unless, of course, we would not have cut the money. What did we lose there in these mountains?
      3. vsa-xnumx
        vsa-xnumx 17 September 2013 21: 43 New
        0
        Quote: igor_ua
        Yulaev, Razin, Pugachev - these are not separatists, but fighters against the dominance of serfdom,


        For your information, Salavat Yulaev robbed the church with his "soldiers". Read Danila Shitova. One joy - at Easter, Ufa students in recognition of the merits of Salavat, paint his horses eggs (meaning a monument in the center of Ufa).
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 18 September 2013 08: 25 New
          0
          Please provide a link to "Danila Shitova". Something Google does not find any works of this, undoubtedly, great man.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 17 September 2013 09: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Basileus
      But the tsar’s punishers, in general, didn’t stand on ceremony with either the Caucasians or the Russians, so those who love Ermolov’s methods so much should not forget that the same methods were used against any rebels in Russia - be it a Caucasian highlander, Volga peasant or Pomeranian hunter.

      Ermolov’s methods? As far as I know, he was very skilled in Caucasian diplomacy.
      And very often dispensed with "methods", where the result could be achieved through negotiations.
    4. RBLip
      RBLip 17 September 2013 10: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Basileus
      And the royal punishers, in general, did not stand on ceremony with either Caucasians or Russians, t

      but the thought didn’t visit you, which is precisely because the people whom you called punitive "did not stand on ceremony" and the Russian land was growing? reckoned with Russia, respected her, were you afraid to fart in her direction once again? that it’s necessary to keep in check all this liberal-Nazi scum? and the shorter the rein, the better?
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 17 September 2013 10: 25 New
        +3
        Serfs agree with your comment.
    5. Gato
      Gato 17 September 2013 18: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Basileus
      Stepan Razin also has many monuments.

      I wonder why feminists and other “human rights defenders” have not yet erected a monument to the Persian princess in his homeland, which he threw illiberally “into the oncoming wave” laughing
    6. Debryansk
      Debryansk 20 September 2013 20: 20 New
      +1


      Basileus September 17, 2013 07:45


      I’ll probably express my seditious thought now, but there are monuments to fighters with the state in many cities of Russia, but the scribbler is only concerned about the Caucasus
      I am outraged by this kind of "comrades" by scribes, who do you mean, the Russian people? Yes, I am very worried about the Caucasus, like all Russians, except those like you. I am disturbed when they try to justify bandits whose purpose is to rob and kill the infidels - that is, us Russians, these creatures are equated with Pugachev, Razin - whose goals were completely different, opposite. Do not try to confuse us with your writings. And the fact that similar monuments exist in other cities of Russia speaks of Russian tolerance, which is not observed among Caucasians, th level of cultural development. There is no need to replace concepts!
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 20 September 2013 21: 34 New
        0
        Do not poke me. Under the scribblers, I refer to those whose ass burns because somewhere they erect monuments to some fighters against tsarism, but they don’t care about monuments to others at all. And the funny thing is that they are not even able to give counterarguments, but they need to answer my post. Can you give anything besides your OBM as an argument? For example, what do you mean by “opposite” goals? The Caucasus is part of the Great Game, a purely imperialist confrontation such as the Cold War. And the rebels in the Caucasus wanted the same as the rebels in the Volga. What am I wrong about?
        Sorry, I put it randomly)
  • Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 17 September 2013 07: 46 New
    11
    Chechnya is already a separate state. With the difference that money constantly comes from Moscow. History does not teach us anything, we continue to repeat the mistakes of the Byzantines.
    1. Gato
      Gato 17 September 2013 18: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Admiral 013
      continue to repeat the mistakes of the Byzantines.

      Very correct analogy. hi
      Everyone remembers how the policy of flirting with Muslims ended for Byzantium?
      And history teaches us that it does not teach anyone anything.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 17 September 2013 07: 48 New
    +7
    For Caucasian nationalists and liberals, Ermolov is the “strangler of freedom and the executioner” who carried out ethnic cleansing
    I have a feeling that people have forgotten what the word "liberals" means. Moreover, they shove it about and without. Alexander, you would talk with the Chechens, read them ... and then you would understand that according to your logic they are all You can call liberals. Well, almost everyone. You can find a couple of Sadulaevs. No matter how much I talked with the Chechens, I never heard a word of understanding and especially respect for Yermolov.
    write directly, “Chechens are a liberal people,” although you can laugh.
  • airatishe
    airatishe 17 September 2013 07: 50 New
    +4
    Since I can’t plus yet, I put + here.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 17 September 2013 07: 52 New
    10
    Mockery of the Russian commander was built for the money of Russian workers .Original.
  • kostik1301
    kostik1301 17 September 2013 07: 52 New
    +3
    how many wolves do not feed, but Russia does not need it .....
  • Bogdarin
    Bogdarin 17 September 2013 07: 55 New
    +9
    This is already too much. I don’t quite understand the Kremlin’s reaction to the Baltic tricks, but then RUSSIA, how it can be, pinch me, I sleep and dream of an alternative reality. If there is no reaction, minus 1 vote for Putin in the next election. am
  • bairat
    bairat 17 September 2013 07: 57 New
    +4
    Minus me as much as you want, but my position has been unchanged since the 90s: after the collapse of the USSR and these "friends" it was necessary to let go of the world, take out Russian-speaking people and military equipment from there and say goodbye. It was the Turkmens and the Kyrgyz who did not know what to do with the statehood that had suddenly fallen on them; they did not want to leave the USSR. And the Chechens, Ingush, Dagi never humbled themselves, even under Stalin they conducted military operations there to restore order. Well, they do not want to live with us, dragging them under their wing by force, at the same time resenting that they are wild and ill-bred. Let them live in their feudal system, because we all see that they cannot integrate into our social structure.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 17 September 2013 08: 05 New
      +5
      you take it very narrowly, without thinking about the consequences, about the future of the country.
      Let them live in their feudal system
      there is a real example of their independent existence between the two wars, but you still have not seen it
      1. bairat
        bairat 17 September 2013 08: 14 New
        +2
        Maybe narrowly, I’m looking at what is happening today: they drive in expensive cars with ksiv and trunks, whole cities are roofed. Law enforcement officers can’t fight them because they have a clan system, and he’s better in prison than he’ll surrender his. Do you want to say: "Russians, be patient for the future of the country"?

        A real example is when a beehive has been lit up and we are surprised that the bees bite despite the fact that we are standing straight. Previously, it was necessary to give independence.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 17 September 2013 08: 23 New
          +6
          I don’t say and never said what needs to be endured! you need to put the fucked up in place. But according to your logic, you need to let all the rebels in a place with a piece of Russia. But you probably didn’t even assume that Tatarstan could be behind Chechnya. Tomorrow it might will Buryatia, etc ... is it really the position of a brave man at the first difficulties to give up positions?
          not to mention what the Caucasus is strategically for some
          1. bairat
            bairat 17 September 2013 08: 35 New
            -1
            It’s also not the right position to think that Tatarstan and the Tatars are just thinking how to dump it.
            About the first difficulties it is ridiculous, they have been rebelling for three hundred years, and are not going to stop it.
          2. Gato
            Gato 17 September 2013 18: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            according to your logic, you need to release all the rebels in a place with a piece of Russia

            Right Following the same logic, criminals can be "released", providing independence of the zone.
      2. optimist
        optimist 17 September 2013 09: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Gleb
        there is a real example of their independent existence between the two wars, but you still have not seen it

        There are a lot of great gizmos like "Escander", "Tornado", napalm in the end. Our "children of the mountains" got it, - the next day there is no village ...
    2. Skarte
      Skarte 17 September 2013 08: 17 New
      +4
      Do you think that after gaining independence and rapid descent at the rate of free fall in the “era” of feudalism, then here 100% would have all ramped up to Russia and would have crossed and there would have been more. Asia has already shown its independence and these are the same, independence and talk about it are good, until you find yourself in the cool embrace of hunger. The border would definitely not have been closed tightly, as with Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, etc.
      1. bairat
        bairat 17 September 2013 08: 24 New
        -2
        Anyhow yes. I see the only civilized way to solve the problem: to disperse and fence off the wall. What do you propose to repeat the methods of Ermolov and Stalin? You can fantasize as much as you like, but today it’s not real
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 17 September 2013 09: 10 New
          +6
          bairat, hi.
          And why are they not built into current structures?
          Even as they are embedded.
          They are built in in such a way that we, the fool, did not even dream.
          And they do not need any feudalism for nothing. It involves the power of many.
          Now what is there? Dictatorship. No, what?
          Stalin evicted them at 48 o’clock ....
          Well, they evicted non-Vainakhs in 4 years. Destroyed.
          .
          Monument to the girls ... yes ...
          First, any religion prohibits an act of suicide.
          Secondly, no culture encourages girl hugging with a man. The enemy, even more so.
          Thirdly, I can not imagine such a mass insanity. Even be it.
          Lazha.
          And if - crap - then - a challenge.
          To whom - it is clear.
          A clear reaction, in the near future, will not wait.
          So someone needs it that way.
          And all business.
          1. bairat
            bairat 17 September 2013 09: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Igarr
            Now what is there? Dictatorship. No, what?

            Hey. Xs there, IMHO the clan system looks a lot like feudalism.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 September 2013 12: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: bairat
          the only civilized way to solve the problem: to disperse and wall off
          This will not give the desired result - the level of banditry will only increase, and even a springboard for the West will arise.

          There is only one possible solution - there will be no bearded frostbite, there will be no problem - it is necessary to press.
          And it was necessary to do this even in the early XNUMXs, but the chief technical officer, to whom some sing praises for the allegedly preserved integrity of the Russian Federation, did not do this, and thereby only aggravated the situation.
    3. Gur
      Gur 17 September 2013 09: 10 New
      +1
      And make a 100km exclusion zone? So do you propose to live, or to mine the border with them? Who will hold back bandits throughout the border? when will they come to rob and steal into slavery? and what do you propose to do with those who are already creeping across Russia?
      1. bairat
        bairat 17 September 2013 09: 46 New
        0
        A couple of kilometers for the exclusion zone is quite enough. The army will protect and restrain, this is its direct responsibility.
        With those who crawled across the Russian Federation to act like this: any violation of the law brings, besides the punishment, the expulsion to the historical homeland.
        1. tommytros
          tommytros 17 September 2013 14: 39 New
          +1
          It reminds a well-known phrase: “Don’t throw me in a thorn bush!”
        2. Gur
          Gur 18 September 2013 07: 44 New
          +2
          Do not tell, during the first and second Chechen when it seemed that the whole territory was cordoned off, they roamed to and fro and took hostages far from Chechnya (at least much further than 2 km). You can’t put a soldier in every kilometer in the mountains you can’t fool a thorn. And you yours on this direct duty with a push? Moreover, provided that the whole gangster world will help the Chechen and Dagestan bandits (I will omit religiosity)?
      2. Crocodile
        Crocodile 17 September 2013 09: 48 New
        +2
        Just do not take bribes from them, do not arrange their children in universities for money, and demand the same application of all articles and laws, despite the signs ...
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 17 September 2013 09: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: bairat
      Well, they don’t want to live with us, dragging them under their wing by force, simultaneously resenting that they are wild and ill-bred. Let them live in their feudal system, because we all see that they cannot integrate into our social structure.

      Having bred such feudal rat broods under your side, how can Russia count on a quiet life? What are you talking about?
      For sure, the company in Belovezhskaya Pushcha reasoned in the same way. Yeltsin-why does Russia need this? "Well, they don’t want to live with us, dragging them under their wing by force"? And what eventually raped? 20 years of struggle for survival?
      1. bairat
        bairat 17 September 2013 09: 53 New
        -1
        What do you suggest? Heaped up with money, does not help. Justice is stalled against them. Ordinary Russians to confront them in everyday life also need to arm themselves and unite in clans, do you call for this? Or what?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 17 September 2013 10: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: bairat
          What do you suggest?

          Search for effective methods. Historical excursion to help the authorities.
          Quote: bairat
          Heaped up with money, does not help.

          Hence, happiness is not in money.
          Quote: bairat
          Justice stalled against them

          Not against them, but stalled in general throughout the country.
          Quote: bairat
          Ordinary Russians to confront them in everyday life also need to arm themselves and unite in clans, do you call for this?

          It is enough to bring law enforcement agencies to life.
          Quote: bairat
          Or what?

          The solution to complex problems is always in the package of measures and actions.
          The establishment of a judicial system, national policy, and the work of law enforcement agencies will ultimately lead to the desired result.
          1. bairat
            bairat 17 September 2013 10: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Flood
            The solution to complex problems is always in the package of measures and actions.
            The establishment of a judicial system, national policy, and the work of law enforcement agencies will ultimately lead to the desired result.

            In general, everything will remain as it is.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 17 September 2013 10: 34 New
              0
              Quote: bairat
              In general, everything will remain as it is.

              Yes, you are a pessimist, my friend))
              1. Igor39
                Igor39 17 September 2013 16: 17 New
                0
                A pessimist is a well-informed optimist.
              2. Doctorleg
                Doctorleg 17 September 2013 18: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Flood
                Quote: bairat
                In general, everything will remain as it is.

                Yes, you are a pessimist, my friend))


                A pessimist is a well-informed optimist. And in the USSR in the Caucasus, Soviet power was peculiar, different than in the RSFSR. And clanism was also justice. Let them evolve, if they can, but without us. By the way, there are many among us who served in the army in Soviet times. Well, what was the impression when there were many people from the Caucasus in the unit?
      2. Gato
        Gato 17 September 2013 18: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Flood
        For sure, the company in Belovezhskaya Pushcha reasoned in the same way. Yeltsin-why does Russia need this?

        Hardly.
        EBN: “I am the king!”, And the only way to achieve this is to destroy the USSR.
        The rest: "Since he can, then we too, it is better to be the biggest frog in our independent swamp"
    5. Lissa
      Lissa 22 September 2013 18: 43 New
      0
      Not a single rational state will let go of a piece of land from which black gold beats in a fountain. And so, I support your position.
  • Tarpon
    Tarpon 17 September 2013 07: 59 New
    +5
    At that time, Russia did not stand on ceremony with enemies and robbers, humanism and tolerance, which now destroy the national states of Europe and the white race as a whole, were not yet in vogue.

    It was a good time.
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +1
      Or maybe people were better what
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 17 September 2013 10: 41 New
        +1
        Or maybe ...
        certainly were better.
        They did not suffer any tolerant shit.
        To fight - so to fight .. "to love so to love, to fly so to fly .."
        Even for this episode take (if taken for the truth):
        14 men remained from the whole village. The wounded. Or abnormal - which is also wounded. To the head.
        So the rest fought with dignity.
        Or screwed up early?
        For some reason, about the irreparable loss - not a word.
        14 wounded soldiers, 140 women and children. And that’s all. And how many were killed?
        Now....
        The monument is erected in honor of 46 girls.
        Great.
        So it turns out - the girls better supported the Chechen honor?
        ....
        Something does not fit ... the pride of the mountaineer ... and the girlish "masculinity".
        Some .... strange monument.
  • ilya63
    ilya63 17 September 2013 08: 00 New
    +3
    Moscow, like all power, has rotten to the very end, and they’re the only one politician who doesn’t bother “us” (that is, them) to steal and rob the people (and if you steal it, then unfasten the share, well, the thief will be in power and everything will be fine, and you will it’s about high ideals), and there’s at least a flood. Power is weak and such examples once again confirm this (at least an IDEA and political will are needed to implement it) get h.y.
  • makst83
    makst83 17 September 2013 08: 03 New
    +7
    I hope that in Russia there will be a monument to Yuri Budanov and Eduard Ulman!
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 17 September 2013 08: 04 New
    +9
    Such episodes perfectly illustrate what the current leadership elite in the country really is. They forgive everyone and everything - thieving ministers and their performers, princes, building mosques with state money, demolishing spits from the bastard punk, wiping their zhp with the state flag ... What kind of power is this? And whose power is it?
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  • parazit
    parazit 17 September 2013 08: 04 New
    +4
    How many times has this kadyrov been a “hero of Russia”? shame and disgrace to those in power ...
  • Rash
    Rash 17 September 2013 08: 04 New
    -13
    Quote: Basileus
    There are, for example, many monuments to the rebel Pugachev, the city is named after him, his associate Salavat Yulaev is generally depicted on the coat of arms of Bashkiria.

    Once upon a time there were Bashkirs in the Ural Mountains, herds grazed, drank koumiss, ate lamb. It’s good to say we lived. Suddenly the Russian colonialists came, the Bashkirs were driven from their lands, the lands were taken away, they were forced to work as slaves at their construction sites. The natural response was the national liberation struggle led by national leader Salavat. Therefore, we are still proud of him, and there is nothing seditious here. That story is already overgrown with moss, the Bashkirs have long ruled the economy of the republic, all well-fed and satisfied. I hope that the situation in Chechnya will also be approximately the same, and such a policy is being built - to feed the Chechen people so that they quickly forget about the war. A well-fed Chechen will not even fight.
    1. igor36
      igor36 17 September 2013 08: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Rash
      I hope that the situation in Chechnya will also be approximately the same, and such a policy is being built - to feed the Chechen people so that they quickly forget about the war.

      The restoration of the destroyed republic is right, but the monuments to historical figures are different because the understanding of history and the education of future generations are built on the monuments.
      Quote: Rash
      A well-fed Chechen will not even fight.

      The main thing is that because of this, a hungry Russian does not begin to fight. Russian long harnesses, but travels quickly. As the classic wrote:
      God forbid to see Russian revolt - senseless and merciless. Those who are plotting impossible coups in our country are either young and do not know our people, or people who are cruel, with whom is someone else’s little head, and their own penny.
    2. igor_ua
      igor_ua 17 September 2013 09: 03 New
      +9
      Russian colonialists came, the Bashkirs were driven from their lands, the lands were taken away, they were forced to work as slaves at their construction sites. The natural response was the national liberation struggle led by national leader Salavat.

      Your Salavat came from the national aristocracy, served like his father faithfully to the Russian Tsar.
      Oppressed their "smerds" like everyone else. Yes, a local official illegally took the land from him. And then a peasant uprising led by Pugachev. Here is the 19-year-old Salavat with his dad and steel under his banners.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 17 September 2013 09: 29 New
        +2
        Still funny. I would agree in many respects with the text given, if instead of Salavat there was, for example, Karasakal) And so, yes, both Yulai and Salavat were exemplary royal subjects who believed in a good king and evil boyars.
    3. omsbon
      omsbon 17 September 2013 09: 32 New
      +9
      Quote: Rash
      . I hope that the situation in Chechnya will also be approximately the same, and such a policy is being built - to feed the Chechen people so that they quickly forget about the war. A well-fed Chechen will not even fight.


      Fresh tradition, but hard to believe!
      To work for Chichen is not held in high esteem - to steal and rob their valor.
      1. Lissa
        Lissa 22 September 2013 18: 54 New
        +1
        Very much respected, comrade! And those who steal and rob you can find throughout Russia. It personally makes me very nervous .. it's about corruption in the first place.

        I agree with Rash: when someone lives well, he does not want to change much in his life. But the problem is that in Chechnya the vast majority of Chechens are currently far from living well.
    4. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 10: 19 New
      +2
      storyteller, Bashkir no one drove
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 17 September 2013 10: 27 New
        0
        Yeah, they just like that, from a natural tendency, boogurt for a hundred and a half years.
        1. xan
          xan 17 September 2013 16: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Basileus
          Yeah, they just like that, from a natural tendency, boogurt for a hundred and a half years.

          examples in the studio
          Even in troubled times, the Tatars and Bashkirs did not stir up
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 18 September 2013 08: 19 New
            0
            Google towards Bashkir revolts. In the XVII-XVIII centuries there were at least 5 major Bashkir revolts (at least those that Wikipedia paid attention to). There were even smaller and peasant war Pugachev.
    5. vsa-xnumx
      vsa-xnumx 17 September 2013 22: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Rash
      Suddenly the Russian colonialists came, the Bashkirs were driven from their lands, the lands were taken away, they were forced to work as slaves at their construction sites


      I suggest that you thoroughly study the history of Bashkiria, and then the local national separatism rushing.

      Quote: Rash
      national liberation struggle led by national leader Salavat.


      The thief and the thug he was ordinary. Communist propaganda elevated this name to please local nationalism.
  • navy1301
    navy1301 17 September 2013 08: 09 New
    -4
    Quote: Landwarrior
    Sovereign Nikolai Pavlovich fought with the Caucasus for 50 years. request

    President Putin "stupidly" bought them as "w ..... x", so explain to the sages which option is better, or the 200th for 50 years, or today's option and for whom is better? Monuments are the second thing .... as they correctly said on the forum - each nation has its own heroes
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 17 September 2013 08: 10 New
    12
    Quote: Rash
    A well-fed Chechen will not even fight.

    Oga, before the war in Chechnya they lived poorly, how come.
    I’m there, if anything, I lived from 1988 to 1990 and didn’t observe any poverty. So what?
    By your logic, to take money from the poor Russian regions and transfer it to Chechnya - is this normal? Is this, like, a hint that the patient Russian population will endure everything? Oh well...
    1. Lissa
      Lissa 22 September 2013 19: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Iraclius

      By your logic, to take money from the poor Russian regions and transfer it to Chechnya - is this normal?


      I protest! Distortion of facts. I don’t know how many percent today, but for sure less than 10% (in 2005 it was 2%) of the proceeds from the sale of Chechen oil goes to the republic’s budget.

      And one more thing: do you really think that the Russian authorities would transfer money from other regions to the Chechens? !!! winked You are probably thinking of your power either very badly or very well. ;)
  • Crocodile
    Crocodile 17 September 2013 08: 14 New
    +8
    Quote: Daraht
    Allah gives money to Kadyrov, and only before Allah does he answer

    What the GDP usually says: "Well, why call me that? You can be more modest ..."
    Unfortunately, more than one generation will solve the Caucasian problems.
    Unfortunately, at one time Russia did not raise the question “Whoever is not with us, is against us!” With all the ensuing circumstances. request
    Having won a temporary truce and having forgiven "having laid down arms" all their deeds, we ourselves have complicated the future ... am
    1. Lissa
      Lissa 22 September 2013 19: 20 New
      0
      What the GDP usually says: "Well, why call me that? You can be more modest ..."


      good wassat
  • Oskar
    Oskar 17 September 2013 08: 18 New
    +8
    Why is there no Putin in the photo next to Kadyrov? Two like-minded people and bosom friends would look great. The monument, like the mosque named after the killer, is a real symbol of "new", "Putin's" Russia.
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 17 September 2013 09: 31 New
      11
      Monument to women is cool ...
      1. Lissa
        Lissa 22 September 2013 19: 23 New
        +1
        What nonsense ... When a woman loses all the people she loves, then she has nothing more to lose. Regardless of nationality.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 12: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Oskar
      Why is there no Putin in the photo next to Kadyrov? Two like-minded people and bosom friends would look great.
      It is possible
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 17 September 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: MG42
    since Soviet times was the term "limit"?

    “Limiters” rebuilt Moscow at one time, and current visitors destroy it. So do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
  • 12061973
    12061973 17 September 2013 08: 21 New
    +3
    this is a promise for Vova, try not to give money, then again Chechen women will drown Russian soldiers.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 17 September 2013 08: 24 New
    -11
    Well, put a monument to women and what ??? why raise the hype (this is their story)
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 17 September 2013 10: 16 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well, put a monument to women and what ??? why raise the hype (this is their story)

      Any action of the Chechens will be considered, since it is being considered now, with the waving of drafts, to tear all to burn down.
      But with the monument, I do not agree a bit. It would be more correct to set not the Chechen women, but all those killed in the battle for that village ...
      1. 12061973
        12061973 17 September 2013 14: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Russ69
        It would be more correct to set not the Chechen women, but all those killed in the battle for that village ...

        then let's put a monument to the Nazis in Volgograd, than the Chechens are better than the Germans.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 17 September 2013 17: 03 New
          0
          Quote: 12061973
          then let's put a monument to the fascists in Volgograd, than Chechens are better than Germans

          Chechnya is a part of Russia and they have their own view of history. Therefore, if you put up such monuments, then in memory of all the dead. The same applies to those who died in civilian life.
          In Germany, after World War I, a monument was erected on the site of the battle at the grave in honor of all the Russians and Germans who died in that battle. This stove is now standing ...
  • ReifA
    ReifA 17 September 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    You read the article and don’t know, the actions look like insanity, but the insane person is not in the psychiatric hospital, but continues to lead the republic, everything is fine. And it is not clear who is really insane ..
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: ReifA
      P but the senile is not in a psychiatric hospital, but continues to lead the republic
  • Rash
    Rash 17 September 2013 08: 26 New
    -4
    Quote: Iraclius
    Oga, before the war in Chechnya they lived poorly, how come.
    I’m there, if anything, I lived from 1988 to 1990 and didn’t observe any poverty. So what?

    He visited Grozny more than once in Soviet times. I remember the first time I arrived - the point played a little belay . Well, then nothing, they walked freely through the streets in the evening, and there was no hint of crime. Such a compact nice city, nice townspeople - everything is ok.
    And with the collapse of the USSR, a certain Dudaev also wanted independence. Well, then everyone remembers. And the campaign of MO Grachev is also remembered. There was some kind of nonsense on both sides.
    Quote: Iraclius
    By your logic, to take money from the poor Russian regions and transfer it to Chechnya - is this normal? Is this, like, a hint that the patient Russian population will endure everything? Oh well...

    This is demagoguery. You can also say about a thread in an African country.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 12: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Rash
      There was some kind of nonsense on both sides.
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 17 September 2013 14: 47 New
        +4
        My mind refuses to believe that. This is too scary and inhuman ... If this is true, then those who committed it have no face in front of humanity, and never will be ...
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 September 2013 16: 10 New
          0
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          My mind refuses to believe that.
          Why? In some cultures, this was considered and is still considered an ordinary phenomenon.

          http://tularus.org/index.php/stati/945-chechentsy-v-sirii-otrezali-golovu-svyash

          chenniku
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 17 September 2013 16: 40 New
            +6
            No, I don’t want, like a Muslim, to live with those who, under shouts (Allagu akbar) cut off people's heads.
        2. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 17 September 2013 18: 02 New
          +1
          Oh how! Is this such a big discovery for you? Looking at your nickname, I assumed that you were from the Caucasus. Is Dagestan separated from Chechnya by a blank wall? I did not know.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 17 September 2013 23: 26 New
            +5
            Roman, you didn’t understand - I wanted to say that I do not want the time to come when all sorts of cranks, justifying their atrocities by being on the path of Allah, will gain any power. No, I certainly wish for the onset of the World Caliphate ... but in my dreams, in that Caliphate, Muslims, Christians and adherents of other religions compatible with normal human life have equal rights, except for one thing - Muslims should have more responsibilities.
            1. tupolev-95
              tupolev-95 17 September 2013 23: 32 New
              0
              I believe that religion has nothing to do with it. It is a purely national conflict, very painful for one side, suicidal for the other and extremely beneficial for the third.
  • forester
    forester 17 September 2013 08: 26 New
    17
    Quote: bairat
    Minus me as much as you want, but my position has been unchanged since the 90s: after the collapse of the USSR and these "friends" it was necessary to let go of the world, take out Russian-speaking people and military equipment from there and say goodbye. It was the Turkmens and the Kyrgyz who did not know what to do with the statehood that had suddenly fallen on them; they did not want to leave the USSR. And the Chechens, Ingush, Dagi never humbled themselves, even under Stalin they conducted military operations there to restore order. Well, they do not want to live with us, dragging them under their wing by force, at the same time resenting that they are wild and ill-bred. Let them live in their feudal system, because we all see that they cannot integrate into our social structure.

    The tsarist government in the Caucasus sat tightly thanks to people like Ermolov and Cossacks who were real, unlike the current mummers which blacks already use the Caucasus strategically. Stalin knew this and knew as a Caucasian what and how to do in the Caucasus and did it right, unlike the current government According to Ermolovsky it is necessary According to STALINSKI it is necessary though I am not a Stalinist No ships
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 17 September 2013 08: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: forester
      Imperial power in the Caucasus sat tight thanks to such as Ermolov and Cossacks were real

      Yeah, that’s the point ... the Cossacks restrained the Caucasus, and then very smart people called the Communists came and destroyed the Cossack system and immediately the Caucasus crawled to our lands. And now we have to siphon the mistakes of the communist, which they made almost a century ago.
      1. Sewer
        Sewer 17 September 2013 09: 46 New
        -2
        I support one hundred percent 100%, the Zhitotrolevskie komunyaki have brewed all this cuisine! They created the Black-Chopin republics and gave them hitherto not-owned lands. And the city which the Russians founded, became the capital of Czechoslovakia, and so on!
    2. bairat
      bairat 17 September 2013 08: 51 New
      -1
      I don’t understand what this strategic importance is. Why is it more important than Kazakhstan, Ukraine, the Baltic states, cf. asia? Kashchei needle buried there or what?
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 17 September 2013 12: 16 New
        +2
        A holy place is never empty; if we leave, the Turks will come, etc. Then they will climb to Stavropol, Krasnodar Territory.
        1. bairat
          bairat 17 September 2013 13: 36 New
          +1
          They won’t climb and they’re already there. And there are no legal methods to stop this spread.
  • Oskar
    Oskar 17 September 2013 08: 26 New
    10
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, put a monument to women and what ??? why raise the hype (this is their story)

    Hattab man to deliver too? History, after all ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 17 September 2013 08: 30 New
    +6
    in Grozny to erect a monument to Rokhlin
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 17 September 2013 10: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      in Grozny to erect a monument to Rokhlin

      Street paratroopers 6 companies are ...
  • Ruslan
    Ruslan 17 September 2013 08: 32 New
    +8
    and the state is pouring in. at first they doubt their victories, then they apologize to the enemies, then they try to be friends with them, and then they get a knife in the back. trouble!
  • Crang
    Crang 17 September 2013 08: 33 New
    11
    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. I will subscribe to every word. Well done Samsonov Alexander! And further:
    He invited the Russian president to assess the actions of Kadyrov as the head of the Chechen Republic.
    And you know what you will hear in response? Silence. Just silence and all. How many times Kadyrov allowed himself such actions / statements that any other mayor or governor would have been fired in the neck long ago. For all the time, the official "authorities" never even made a comment to him.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 17 September 2013 08: 38 New
      +5
      In exchange for the appearance of loyalty on the part of Kadyrov, Putin will endure EVERYTHING!
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 17 September 2013 08: 34 New
    +8
    The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, opened a memorial to Chechens who sacrificed themselves in battles with Russian imperial troops during the Caucasian War.

    So the "Hero of Russia" showed his wolf essence! am
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 17 September 2013 09: 35 New
      +2
      So the "Hero of Russia" showed his wolf essence!

      He never hid her.
  • Averias
    Averias 17 September 2013 08: 36 New
    10
    Again the Caucasus, the news is presented in such a way as to add oil to the fire, or rather, to the minds of the average man. And it worked, just read the comments. I am not a fan of the Caucasus and not a fan of Kadyrov. And even more so, I am outraged by what is happening in the Caucasus. But, you don’t need to make a tragedy out of everything. Sorry, our heroes and great people of history have also achieved their goals with more than one “carrot”. As it is rightly cited as an example: Pugachev, Ermak, and the same Ermolov. The word "punisher" has not been canceled. And there were punitive operations, there were burned villages and villages, there were trees along the roads with gallows. But, this is not for us to judge. So why did we decide that only we did everything and are doing it right? Who gave us this right? Sorry, it looks like the United States, they consider themselves elected. Yermolov for the highlanders was an invader (enemy), and they fought with him as best they could. Why can't they have their heroes? Or what, the hero is only Russian? I am Russian (let my nickname not be misleading). It reminds me of a game of switchman. Hooray, found the extreme, just a little - the Caucasus is to blame. Yes, there are a lot of problems with them, but you don’t need to go on about the media, which are just fueling the very ethnic hatred.
    Here they write - to bomb them. Now, if they had erected a monument to the bandits killed in the Chechen company, they would have gladly sat down at the helm of the bomber. In general, you can minus, but this is my opinion and I have the right to it.
    And yet, Caucasians, Caucasians are all yelling. But what about the Tajiks, the Uzbeks who flooded our streets? Or what, are the Caucasians pissing at our doorways after drinking a cheap swill? It is they who throw cigarette butts on the ground (although there is a trash bin nearby). Was it they who forced many, like a herd of cretins to go to Bolotnaya, it is not clear why and it is not clear why? Is it they who are driving their parents out of the apartments, or is it their children who are beating their own, hooting and taking pictures on their mobile? Enough of the extremes, enough.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 17 September 2013 09: 42 New
      0
      Dear Averias. Few people hysteria about the Caucasus. Yes, only a completely naive simpleton will ignore such calls.
      There are still bells, and from bells to sirens alarms are not far off.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 17 September 2013 10: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        There are still calls

        And you do not think that these calls artificially ringing ...
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 18 September 2013 13: 39 New
          0
          And you do not think that these calls artificially ringing ...

          Dear Russ69. Artificially, not artificially, but I do not want to again burst into my house at night. To sleep cut. Enough, already once suffered fear, that's enough.
          And yet, we are strangers and "poke" a stranger to a woman - bad manners.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 17 September 2013 10: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Averias
      So why did we decide that only we did everything and are doing it right? Who gave us this right? Sorry, it looks like the United States, they consider themselves elected.

      I will subscribe ... I wanted to say the same thing myself ...
    3. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 17 September 2013 14: 14 New
      +3
      Averias, you are absolutely right.
      Quote: Averias
      So why did we decide that only we did everything and are doing it right? Who gave us this right? Sorry, it looks like the United States, they consider themselves elected. Yermolov for the highlanders was an invader (enemy), and they fought with him as best they could. Why can't they have their heroes? Or what, the hero is only Russian? I am Russian (let my nickname not be misleading). It reminds me of a game of switchman. Hooray, found the extreme, just a little - the Caucasus is to blame. Yes, there are a lot of problems with them, but you don’t need to go on about the media, which are just fueling the very ethnic hatred.

      Gold words.
  • Rossmk
    Rossmk 17 September 2013 08: 38 New
    -3
    They gave sovereignty, and now we are raking. I hope that the GDP has a plan on how to centralize power more.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 17 September 2013 09: 00 New
      0
      Even stronger? Yes, he has absolute power, and how he uses it is already OUR GENERAL problem. Shove him all his plans, you know where ...
      1. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 18 September 2013 12: 05 New
        0
        Russia's eternal misfortune is fools and roads. If Russia is slowly managing roads, the second is a national disaster. And the one who is right is always to blame for the demented, and the one who is smarter and the one who works in the name of his country is always right, no matter how bad he is. And the worse it is, the more stench from him and the more he throws mud at the right, because no longer able to manifest themselves in anything ...
    2. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 18 September 2013 11: 57 New
      0
      There is a plan, but not everyone should know about it ....
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 17 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +6
    I have always said, and will continue to say, that there isn’t any “unity” in Russia and everything else that we are told about from TV screens by Komsomol leaders.
  • Andriasov
    Andriasov 17 September 2013 08: 42 New
    0
    The article is interesting, but I think that the purpose of the actions of the head of the Chechen republic is ambiguous ..
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 17 September 2013 08: 43 New
    18
    If Ramzan positions himself as an impartial admirer of the heroism of the women of Chechnya, it is quite necessary to expect from him the opening of a monument to the heroic defense by the Cossacks of the village of Naurskaya, at the time of the absence of husbands who went on a campaign, from the raids of Shamil’s murids.
  • Tartary
    Tartary 17 September 2013 08: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: Rash
    That story is already overgrown with moss, the Bashkirs have long ruled the economy of the republic, all well-fed and satisfied. I hope that the situation in Chechnya will also be approximately the same, and such a policy is being built - to feed the Chechen people so that they quickly forget about the war. A well-fed Chechen will not even fight.

    About well-fed and hungry, of course ...

    But the Far East who should put a monument?
    It is foolish to say that when the Chechens fought with Yarmolov, there was a glacier in the Far East right up to the North. the poles?
    Who should put a monument to the Sakhalin people or Kamchadals?
    Maybe all at once ??
    We are here from the former republics of the USSR - darkness ... and each has its own diaspora ... we Russian each agree on whom we consider a hero? And the Armenians will say that HE is not a hero at all, but a murderer. Chechens about their ...
    Kadyrov is wrong! By his stupidity and arrogance, and even by his youth, he is mistaken very much.

    If the people live in Russia, then the heroes must be alone!
    Or by default - no heroes in controversial historical times - to which I personally do not agree at all ...
    Your people fought or he himself joined the big family - Russia, everything went into history ...
    There is no bazaar, study history, but where does the memory of cases about which few remember?
    What revenge, what memory? About whom? About what?

    Persians and Turks slaughtered the Caucasus a little? Few Russians died defending?
    Did you cut each other a little? Who separated, tried on and pacified those who did not calm down?

    The Georgian flag is memorable to you in your hands, and a drum around your neck - reach out to the new Turkish citizenship, then it will be too late to wind snot on your fist ...

    Ugh!
  • Rash
    Rash 17 September 2013 08: 47 New
    -8
    Quote: Warrawar
    One of the most hostile peoples lives in the Caucasus and this must be recognized and publicly voiced.

    Chechens are the third nationality in numbers in Russia, after Russians and Tatars, IMHO. Do you want to declare war on your people?
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 17 September 2013 08: 51 New
      +2
      although not the essence, but they are not the third they go. and how can it be IMHO, if there are official statistics of the national composition of the country))
    2. bairat
      bairat 17 September 2013 08: 55 New
      0
      IMHO on the sixth, after the Ukrainians, Bashkirs and Chuvashs.
    3. Tartary
      Tartary 17 September 2013 09: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Rash
      Quote: Warrawar
      One of the most hostile peoples lives in the Caucasus and this must be recognized and publicly voiced.

      Chechens are the third nationality in numbers in Russia, after Russians and Tatars, IMHO. Do you want to declare war on your people?

      Not the third, but the sixth nationality in number, as a percentage - 1,00%

      1 Russian 111 016 896 77,71%

      2 Tatars 5 310 649 3,72%

      3 Ukrainians 1 927 988 1,35%

      4 Bashkirs 1 584 554 1,11%

      5 Chuvashs 1 435%

      6 Chechens 1 431%

      7 Armenians 1 182%

      8 Avars 912 090 0,64%

      9 Mordva 744 237 0,52%

      http://politobzor.net/show-4786-narody-rossii.html

      Do you want that 1% of which the lion’s part clearly attributes itself nevertheless to the Russian world, dictates the conditions for its presence in a united country using dubious methods ??
      As for the war, it was not we who started it in 1994, which was continued in 1999 ... And today, judging by the confrontation of mentalities and forces, it is not entirely clear, but is the war inside Russia in the Caucasus over?
    4. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 17 September 2013 10: 23 New
      0
      Here you are! Unified State Exam passed?
    5. Russ69
      Russ69 17 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Rash
      Chechens are the third nationality in numbers in Russia, after Russians and Tatars, IMHO. Do you want to declare war on your people?

      First to the Chechens, then to the Ingush, then to the Dagas, Bashkirs, Tatars, etc. Nobody has canceled the collapse of Russia, and it works for itself, judging by the escalating ethnic hatred.
    6. aleshka
      aleshka 20 September 2013 22: 22 New
      0
      Did you comrade from the oak tree collapse ??? Or have you been drinking for a week? What is the third largest? Have you even finished school?
  • Andreitas
    Andreitas 17 September 2013 08: 53 New
    +2
    Let’s chill with them grief. Fat first, and then bread. All their life they hated Russians, and they will hate them. As you don’t build a dialogue with them, they are wolves. They have been educated from childhood to hate Russians. So everything is still to come. With such a state policy in this matter. But Ermolov well done! They do not understand otherwise.
    1. baton140105
      baton140105 17 September 2013 23: 33 New
      0
      slurping, and for the most part because of your attitude to the Caucasians. Understand that it is no longer necessary to write nationalist slogans and posts, for you, Ermolov is great, and for Caucasians, a conqueror and a blood enemy. And they fought with him as raids as they could, etc. And the partisans during the war didn’t fight with the Fritz in the same way? the same raids and the defeat of the columns. That they, too, were savages and bandits? No, they defended their land, and Caucasians in those days defended their home, and they had their own heroes. They erected a monument to them (Notice Kadyrov, he only repaired and improved it) Do not be one-sided and write nonsense about the bombing of Grozny, addressing the need for a little in the Caucasus, etc. We are a single people-Russians. And we have the same rights.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 18 September 2013 00: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: baton140105
        We are a single people-Russians. And we have the same rights.
        Here is to remember about the same responsibilities ... Or will it be called "infringement on a national basis"?
    2. Lissa
      Lissa 22 September 2013 18: 27 New
      0
      This is you in vain. No one has been raising anyone this way since childhood. There are people who grew up in the war and saw Russians only in tanks and with weapons in their hands. Here they may have mixed feelings towards the Russians as a whole, since they do not know other Russians except the military.
  • Rash
    Rash 17 September 2013 08: 57 New
    -5
    Quote: Aeneas
    But the Far East who should put a monument?

    I have always respected the Far East. And now, with all the sympathy with the flood. But with all this, we must admit that the Far East are colonialists. And colonialists usually erect monuments to their patrons. I have never been to the Far East, but I suppose that there are many monuments of our great Soviet leaders.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 17 September 2013 18: 05 New
      0
      Russian statehood was 1500 years old, even before the Ruriks, Slavic tribes controlled their territory together, and then merged into a single state. We did not have slavery. We, by right of the strong, forced the hostile tribes to peace and took custody of the weak.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 September 2013 08: 59 New
    +3
    I watched this holiday of senility on TV yesterday and simply wooed it from the local “godfather”. Does he really think, or is he sure that he is allowed to? But GDP will not react in any way; now it is worried about big politics. Therefore, the mouse scraped, the cat is busy. We are waiting for the Olympics ((((
    1. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 09: 01 New
      +4
      We are waiting for what will happen after the Olympics
      1. baton140105
        baton140105 17 September 2013 23: 38 New
        -1
        Nikher will not be after the Olympics do not have to sow panic ..
  • Hellriker
    Hellriker 17 September 2013 09: 00 New
    11
    It is necessary to open a monument to Budanov and the rest of the heroes of the Chechen War, who fought on the side of the federals.
    1. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 17 September 2013 09: 23 New
      +9
      By all means, Budanov on Kadyrov Street in Moscow.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 17 September 2013 12: 20 New
        0
        I won’t give it for it.
      2. baton140105
        baton140105 17 September 2013 23: 38 New
        +1
        And in Chechnya, he stands on Moskovskaya Street?