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“To formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way will not work”

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According to media reports, the Presidential Council on Interethnic Relations prepared the concept of a national idea. What should be the national idea in Russia? Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, answers this question.


The matrix of our civilization is conscience, holiness, justice.

В stories Russia has its own idea: we call it geopolitical, and someone - national. But on the whole, the idea of ​​serving the Lord God, the idea of ​​serving the nature, and the idea of ​​serving the Fatherland took shape both in the pagan, Christian, and Soviet periods. The messianic essence is inherent in each of our people, that is, he is called to live not in order to enrich himself, to plunder and have fun, but in order to bear the benefit of all humanity.

Each civilization has its own cultural and civilization code. As Nikolai Danilevsky said in 1869, this is the highest moral meaning of life. Conscience is such a code for Russia, it sets the beginning for the whole system of morality, all behavior, and to every person and society as a whole. The matrix of our civilization is conscience, holiness, justice.

In the West today, the cultural and civilization code is the benefit, and the benefit primarily of the materialist plan. We are happy when we do good, help, protect someone. Our material side of life is secondary. Western geopolitics, based on the differences of our entities, formed the main law of geopolitics, the law of fundamental dualism: the eternal opposition of civilizations of land, which are characterized by collectivism, and the West with its individualism. West formed its model of being at the expense of production. This is a maritime civilization, and in the sea they did not go to harvest, but for prey.

We are happy when justice is done all over the world.

Today, to formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way will not work. The Academy of Geopolitical Problems and the Moscow State Linguistic University won the corresponding tender, the competition, formed the geopolitical doctrine of Russia. We laid in it the messianic essence of our character, where the beginnings of a new world — a more humanistic, more just one — are laid.

When I tell students about our and Western geopolitical essence, I cite two films as an example. The first is “Taras Bulba”, where it is said that there is no bondage holier than camaraderie. For the sake of justice and holiness, Bulba shoots his son. And the second film is O'Henry's novels. Remember, there are two friends grabanuli bank and ride horses? One horse had a broken leg. And then the phrase is pronounced: “Bolivar will not sustain two.”

We are happy when justice is done in the whole world, when people honor holy things. Holiness is the main thing. In this is the happiness of every person, and through this happiness the whole country is also happy. We are ready to connect and work on a national idea, based on the draft geopolitical doctrine. Our work of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems and the Moscow State Linguistic University, made at the level of world scientific achievements, would be useful in it. I headed the relevant team, there were enthusiastic responses, but it all lay under the cloth.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 16 September 2013 15: 42
    16
    Either I do not live in Russia, or all these "inventors", including Ivashov, do not live in my country. Perhaps Ivashov is happy when justice is happening in the world. But personally, I have enough problems with ensuring justice under my nose - work is heaped up, and it turns out, to be honest, not very good. "They are terribly far from the people ..." (c)
    PS Yes! I sympathize with the children of Germany (Heart of a Dog), but I help the children of Tambov.
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 16 September 2013 15: 55
      19
      While there is a significant social stratification in society, a handful of oligarchs with nouveau riche and the vast majority of the poor, no unifying nat. ideas in secular society can not be.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 September 2013 16: 03
        19
        Quote: GreatRussia
        As long as there is social stratification in a society that does not unite the nat. ideas in secular society cannot be

        Maybe, maybe ... it's just that no one specifies what nationality is this national identity! As before, no one specified what nationality our national projects are!
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 16 September 2013 16: 07
          -2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Maybe, maybe ...

          Really? And in what way?


          just no one specifies what kind of nationality, this natsideya! As before, no one specified what nationality our national projects are!

          Honestly, I didn’t quite understand what you were hinting at.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 16 September 2013 16: 09
            +6
            Quote: GreatRussia
            Really? And in what way?

            In Israel, every citizen is a Zionist and patriot, to the core.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 16 September 2013 16: 11
              +3
              Quote: Warrawar
              In Israel, every citizen is a Zionist and patriot, to the core.

              And even representatives of Islam? Choi, I deeply doubt it. smile


              The main population of the country - 75,4% - Jews, 20,6% are Arabs, 4% are others.
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 16 September 2013 16: 17
                10
                Quote: GreatRussia
                And even representatives of Islam? Choi, I deeply doubt it.

                I am certainly not a specialist in Israel, but I doubt that a "gentile" is considered a full-fledged citizen in Israel)) Considering that even mixed marriages are not welcomed at the legislative level. And they have universal military service, even for women. So, Israel is a real National Socialist state, which even Hitler did not dream of)
                1. GreatRussia
                  GreatRussia 16 September 2013 16: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  I am certainly not a specialist in Israel, but I doubt that a "non-Jew" is considered full citizen in Israel))

                  What is it like? In the Baltics, it seems as stipulated by law. Honestly, I have not heard such a thing about Israel.
              2. slacker
                slacker 16 September 2013 20: 11
                +2
                My version of the national idea for our country and our people is very simple: "The main value of the Russian people is Russia. The main value of Russia is the Russians."
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 17
                  -2
                  Quote: Loafer
                  My version of the national idea for our country and our people is very simple: "The main value of the Russian people is Russia. The main value of Russia is the Russians."
                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 18
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                  Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 20
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            2. -Max-
              -Max- 17 September 2013 00: 12
              +3
              I forgot to add that they are still Nationalists there and educate them as nationalists.
              (well, like a sick Jewish child, they have a priori better than a healthy non-Jew)
            3. Pensioner
              Pensioner 18 September 2013 00: 07
              -1
              In Israel, half of "ours". It's just that "purely Jews" themselves do not know about it yet. And our Jews will still act purely in Russian. Russian blood and spirit, however, is stronger. All of them, all those who immigrated abroad, Russian-speaking, love and nostalgia for Russia is stronger than we, who live here. I know from my own White Guard relatives, who fled to the revolution. For years, they suffered tearfully for their Motherland. Well, serve them all right. Let everyone work out their karma, since they betrayed it for the sake of. a better lot. Their descendants were all tormented by conscience and will continue to torment, as well as the present traitors to Russia and all their descendants. Even those who went to London. Berezovsky is one of the "swallows", soon all of them will begin to die in flocks.
          2. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 16 September 2013 16: 30
            12
            Quote: GreatRussia
            Really? And in what way?

            For example, the unifying Chechen national idea is to live off subsidies from the Russian Federation! Works, unites, thrives!
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 16 September 2013 16: 33
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              For example, the unifying Chechen national idea is to live off subsidies from the Russian Federation! Works, unites, thrives!

              This is rather an idea of ​​the Chechen elite. So it is not particularly different from the top of the rest of the nouveau riche bureaucratic "fraternity".
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 16 September 2013 17: 29
                +7
                Quote: GreatRussia
                So it is not particularly different from the top of the rest of the nouveau riche bureaucratic "fraternity".

                Very different! Because the bureaucratic fraternity pays Chechen money.
                1. GreatRussia
                  GreatRussia 16 September 2013 17: 34
                  0
                  Quote: S_mirnov

                  Very different! Because the bureaucratic fraternity pays Chechen money.

                  So I’m talking about that. One bureaucratic brotherhood pays another, Chechen.
                  What is the contradiction?
                  1. S_mirnov
                    S_mirnov 16 September 2013 17: 37
                    +3
                    There is no contradiction, there is a difference. Those who pay are weaker, cowardly ...
                    1. GreatRussia
                      GreatRussia 16 September 2013 17: 42
                      0
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      Those who pay are weaker, cowardly ...

                      Nonsense. Rather, as usual in proportion.
                      1. Andrey from Tver
                        Andrey from Tver 16 September 2013 18: 00
                        +9
                        Quote: GreatRussia
                        Those who pay are weaker, cowardly ... Nonsense. Rather, as usual in proportion.

                        Well, let the Chechens pay Russian officials, and be with them in proportion. wink And the Russian youth will ride around Chechnya, shoot where they have to, and make claims with round eyes and explain their behavior with the peculiarities of the flat mentality. And let the Russian diaspora in Grozny sit and smear their own. And Chechens let them all swallow silently.
                      2. alone
                        alone 16 September 2013 20: 40
                        +1
                        wassat Do you think all transfers from the budget of Russia reach Chechnya? Half in the form of a rollback comes back and falls into the pockets of those who send them))
                    2. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 16 September 2013 18: 34
                      +4
                      Quote: GreatRussia
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      Those who pay are weaker than cowards ..

                      Not exactly expressed:
                      Those who pay tribute are weaker than cowards
      2. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 16 September 2013 18: 42
        +3
        Good evening, RUSSIA !!! At least write some concepts on paper, and then voice them, the conclusion
        one: "our" officials have long separated from the people; the class stratification of society has taken on a threatening character; in RUSSIA, there is a growing awareness that a working person does not mean anything at all; the birth rate is falling; mortality among the population is growing; young people do not want to work in industrial enterprises; drug addiction, alcohol
        holization, categorical denial of any ideals in general !!! The question is: what national idea can we talk about at all ??? It's just ridiculous !!!
      3. arkady149
        arkady149 16 September 2013 21: 24
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        no one specified what nationality our national projects are!

        There was a purely national individual Rothschild who said "... we must be the ultimate beneficiaries of every transaction." And they got their way. While. It's our turn.
    2. zanoza
      zanoza 16 September 2013 16: 15
      12
      Quote: GreatRussia
      As long as there is social stratification in society


      So I have the same opinion. For example, me and Miller or Abramovich can be united by a football match for 90+ minutes. The rest of the time I am for them "lazy, parasite and loser", and they for me ... long list of not flattering epithets.
      Natsideyu it forms the external environment in a broad sense, it is born and grows stronger in the minds and hearts, it should be one for all.
      After the 17th year, we built and educated Communism, and the New Man, and the code of honor of the builder of Communism existed, but sometimes words weren’t reinforced by deeds, there were big differences with real life. WAR equalized and united, and overcame the post-war devastation, and stepped into space and strengthened the defense - all thanks to the national idea, which rallied and united people during the war years.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 September 2013 16: 21
        +3
        Quote: zanoza
        For example, a football match can unite me with Miller or with Abramovich


        I tie it all up to watch football.

        Quote: zanoza
        , and the code of honor of the builder of Communism existed, but the words of the deed were sometimes not supported


        After Khrushchev, they were not reinforced at all. So it is with us. Before me there was a bad king, bring him down, and the people in Russia are not blind, since we were being deceived, now hold on, and hold on to Gorbach only by inertia ...
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 16 September 2013 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          I tie it all up to watch football.

          good laughing Smiled!
      2. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 16 September 2013 18: 53
        +4
        A splinter, Good evening !!! I completely agree with you. The population of both the USSR and RUSSIA is simply-
        - just "thrown", promising a sweet life in the early 90s. There was no national idea that could now unite society, and there cannot be, as long as there are people in power who simply do not care about RUSSIA. It is necessary. Remember the scandal around "Oboronservis". Everything has been done so that the persons involved in this criminal case "dry" out of the water.
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 16 September 2013 19: 36
          0
          Quote: sergaivenski
          sergaivenski

          I agree with you.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 September 2013 16: 16
      +6
      Quote: GreatRussia
      no unifying nat. ideas in secular society can not be.

      Do not want. Fear. All unifying ideas end with the unification of large private property into state property.
  2. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 16 September 2013 16: 11
    17
    National ideas, state-forming ideas should be justice and social equality all peoples and nationalities of Russia, each of its citizens.
    Social equality and justice elevated to the rank of state and national policy of Russia will consolidate the unity and attractiveness of the state for other peoples of the near abroad, primarily Ukraine and Belarus close to us.
    Social equality and justice should extend to all the resources and riches of Russia, this right should be delegated to the state and should not be transferred to anyone else, it should ensure a decent life for all Russians.
    Social equality will ensure equal rights for everyone in free education at all levels, up to higher, free health care, providing a sufficient number of places in accessible kindergartens, providing decent and well-paid jobs, ensuring a decent old-age pension and disability, and providing the right to be protected by the state and participate in government, which we have now lost after the collapse of the socialist state of the USSR.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 16 September 2013 16: 28
      +8
      Quote: vladimirZ
      Social equality and justice elevated to the rank of Russian national policy

      Well, what is incomprehensible, social justice - the abolition of the results of privatization!
      And this is a violation of the interests of the oligarchic elite! And the president clearly and clearly told everyone that this would not happen! It is now impossible to re-elect the president legally. So the nation will be formed on the basis of social injustice! Why it will be veiled, religion, capitalist ideals or Pushkin's Tales - it does not matter!
      1. Observer
        Observer 16 September 2013 20: 02
        +2
        Well said! Aptly!
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 16 September 2013 21: 08
        +2
        [quote = С_мирнов] social justice - cancellation of privatization results

        Well, if you can't cancel completely, but partially you can? transfer the owners to the status of "effective managers", then leave what has already been plundered, and everything else - excuse me, let the profit go to the benefit of the people. And if there is no such profit, as with the status of "owner" - dismiss from work. I think that you can find a way out if you want! There would be a desire!
    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 16 September 2013 20: 34
      -1
      Quote: vladimirZ
      National ideas ... should be ... social equality

      In other words: from each according to his capabilities, to each according to his needs. Communism.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 17 September 2013 05: 00
        0
        In other words: from each according to his capabilities, to each according to his needs. Communism. Mature naturalist  Yesterday, 20:34 ↑

        Do not fool the concept of social equality. And without you, there are enough officials from the authorities doing this officially.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 21: 03
      +1
      Quote: vladimirZ
      National ideas, state-forming ideas should be justice and social equality of all peoples and nationalities of Russia, each of its citizens.
      Social equality and justice elevated to the rank of state and national policy of Russia will consolidate the unity and attractiveness of the state for other peoples of the near abroad, primarily Ukraine and Belarus close to us.

      +++++ 100500 !!!!
  3. Vadivak
    Vadivak 16 September 2013 16: 13
    +3
    Quote: Author Leonid Ivashov
    , The matrix of our civilization is conscience, holiness, justice.


    Here, everyone has their own conscience, Serafim of Saovskiy has his own and Serdyukov has his own, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin have their own and the rest as well, someone and the pope are holy and sinless
    1. NAV-STAR
      NAV-STAR 16 September 2013 16: 19
      +3
      After reading the above, I came to the conclusion: "We need Stalin comrades!"
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 September 2013 17: 24
        +2
        Quote: NAV-STAR
        After reading the above, I came to the conclusion: "We need Stalin comrades!"

        Of course you need it, only where to find it ... A modern management system neutralizes such people as a direct threat!
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 16 September 2013 18: 43
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Quote: NAV-STAR
          After reading the above, I came to the conclusion: "We need Stalin comrades!"

          Of course you need it, only where to find it ... A modern management system neutralizes such people as a direct threat!

          Exactly! They are afraid of them, and even they themselves do not really want to steer, they must be put forward, Stalin resisted for a long time, but his environment forced him to. And by the way, there is no place to see, there is no social vertical, no decent party.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 26
        -1
        Quote: NAV-STAR
        "We need Stalin comrades!"
      3. Pensioner
        Pensioner 18 September 2013 00: 31
        -3
        God forbid you call on Stalin. Not to yourself, but to your children or grandchildren. I was repressed by birth. Also, someone called a rigid order from the ancestors: white and red, of different bloods and nationalities. And I had to, and my generation, to disentangle. Which of you has a dash in the "place of birth" column? Even on the road, in prisons, those born are indicated at least the approximate place of birth! I have a dash! And for all these extra-civil provisions rehabilitated by Stalinist repressions (some of my ancestors are enemies of the people: white-red), and now the state pays me 100 rubles a month for public travel, and once a year, half the amount of the ticket, if I decide go somewhere outside the place of residence! Wish Stalinism and beyond! Perhaps later, our state will donate 100 rubles a month to you or your descendants for travel on public transport!
    2. not good
      not good 16 September 2013 18: 42
      +2
      Conscience is it or is it or it is not. Conscience among Serdyukov, Gorbachev and Yeltsin is nonsense. Conscience involves not only knowledge of moral principles, but also guidance in life, and these principles are in the gospel that in the moral code of the builder of communism are basically the same. If the above statesmen were guided by conscience at least half their business, they would not be remembered as shit.
      1. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 16 September 2013 18: 56
        +1
        Negoro, you are right !!! I completely agree with you.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 21: 02
      +3
      Quote: Vadivak
      everyone has her own conscience

      Quote: Vadivak
      Serdyukov has his own, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin have their own

      In my opinion, the citizens voiced above do not have it at all!
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 September 2013 21: 05
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        In my opinion, the citizens voiced above do not have it at all!


        Well, they stole something for themselves, began to steal children, also stole, then they began to steal grandchildren, so they care about someone, but in their own way
  4. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 16 September 2013 18: 50
    +1
    Quote: serge-68-68
    Either I do not live in Russia, or all these "inventors", including Ivashov, do not live in my country. Perhaps Ivashov is happy when justice is happening in the world. But personally, I have enough problems with ensuring justice under my nose - work is heaped up, and it turns out, to be honest, not very good. "They are terribly far from the people ..." (c)
    PS Yes! I sympathize with the children of Germany (Heart of a Dog), but I help the children of Tambov.

    I also live in Russia, but I do not care what is happening in the world. Moreover, this does not prevent one from being interested in what is happening in Russia.
    Everything that is going on in the World will inevitably affect Russia, our ancestors understood this very well, did not go into their own trough, but intervened in all world events as far as possible. They tried to establish justice, as they understood it.
  5. starshina78
    starshina78 16 September 2013 20: 20
    +1
    I believe that Ivashov wrote correctly, but justice will not rule in the world soon, and even more so in Russia. What justice can be said if oysters from France are brought to someone on a plane for breakfast, and someone thinks that he will put his children on the table. And how to unite with one national idea a billionaire and a poor, a Chechen and a Russian, well-fed and hungry.
  • astra
    astra 16 September 2013 15: 43
    +7
    I headed the appropriate team, there were enthusiastic responses, but all this fell under the cloth.

    Without a national idea, it is difficult to raise Russia. Obviously, there are forces both in the West and their staging that we have that impede the emergence and implementation of the national idea.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 16 September 2013 16: 13
      +7
      Quote: astra
      Obviously, there are forces both in the West and their staging, which hinder the emergence and implementation of the national idea

      To eat! 5 points! Yes, these proteges are shown on TV every day! wink
      Quote: astra
      Without a national idea, it is difficult to raise Russia.

      There was a national idea, what happened to it wrong ??
      "" The moral code of the builder of communism "
      Commitment to the cause of communism, love of the socialist homeland, to the countries of socialism.
      Conscientious work for the benefit of society: who does not work, he does not eat.
      Everyone cares about preserving and multiplying the public domain.
      High consciousness of public duty, intolerance to violations of public interests.
      Collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one.
      Humane relations and mutual respect between people: a person is a friend, friend and brother.
      Honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and private life.
      Mutual respect in the family, concern for the upbringing of children.
      Intolerance to injustice, parasitism, dishonesty, careerism, money-grubbing.
      Friendship and brotherhood of all the peoples of the USSR, intolerance of national and racial dislike.
      Intolerance towards the enemies of communism, the cause of peace and freedom of peoples.
      Fraternal solidarity with the working people of all countries, with all peoples. "

      There really was no place for priests with rabbis and mullahs, so add, if there is no way without religious holiness!
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 16 September 2013 16: 31
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        There was a national idea, what happened to it wrong ??
        "" The moral code of the builder of communism "

        Probably the original was better, since the copy ordered a long life.

        "The main commandment of all world religions is" love your neighbor as yourself ", that is, the public interest is higher. When I put the Moral Code of the builders of communism next to the" Sermon on the Mount ", it turned out that we rewrote the Codex from the Bible, but wrote worse - the Bible says better"
        G. Zyuganov.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 16 September 2013 17: 36
          +5
          Quote: GreatRussia
          with the Sermon on the Mount, it turned out that we rewrote the Code from the Bible, but wrote it worse - the Bible is written better "
          G. Zyuganov.

          I would beware of trusting the words of Zyuganov! The Code of Communism is written by smart people and for Soviet people. And who wrote the Bible, for whom, who kept it and how many times it was rewritten - it’s a dark and secret business, abruptly besides the Mlolotov Pact - Ribentrop.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 16 September 2013 19: 43
            +1
            Quote: S_mirnov
            And who wrote the Bible, for whom, who kept it and how many times it was rewritten - it’s a dark and secret business


            I don’t know about the Bible but the New Testament answers the original, if it were not so Catholic censors would leave such a phrase for example; "But he, turning, said to Peter: Get away from Me, Satan."
    2. creak
      creak 16 September 2013 16: 14
      +5
      Interestingly, Serdyukov is also a protege of the West, or did he and his team have their own idea? His activities were contrary to the national interests of the country, but it was not the State Department who appointed him to the post of minister ...
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 September 2013 16: 32
        +8
        Quote: ranger
        Interestingly, Serdyukov is also a protege of the West

        Kaoi then the classic said: "By their deeds - recognize them!" wink
        Quote: ranger
        His activities were contrary to the national interests of the country, but it was not the State Department who appointed him to the post of minister ...

        And the State Department does not give a case against Chubais!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 16 September 2013 17: 16
          +4
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Kaoi then the classic said: "By their deeds - recognize them!


          Here to the very point. Classic. In the Sermon on the Mount.

          "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits."
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 16 September 2013 17: 50
            +3
            Quote: Vadivak
            Here to the very point. Classic. In the Sermon on the Mount.

            I about it!

            Quote: Vadivak
            You will recognize them by their fruits. "

            - Well! He said that the Bible is poorly translated! Well, what are the fruits of false prophets ?? !! Where do they hang these fruits? wassat By CASES, by Cases you can understand !!!
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 16 September 2013 19: 39
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              Well! He said that the Bible is poorly translated! Well, what are the fruits of false prophets ?? !! Where do they hang these fruits


              This is just a translation into Slavic, you will be even more surprised when you find out that "Bl..d" is a literary Church Slavonic word meaning not a woman of easy virtue, this word means infidelity, deceit. It applies to any gender and to acts of deception, swindle, lies, fraud, deceit and sometimes gamble. However, knowing your dislike for Orthodoxy, I think you will look for some kind of trick here too
    3. zvereok
      zvereok 16 September 2013 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: astra

      Without a national idea, it is difficult to raise Russia. Obviously, there are forces both in the West and their staging that we have that impede the emergence and implementation of the national idea.


      Elite thieves who set an example to other smaller thieves?
    4. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 32
      -1
      Quote: astra
      It’s hard to raise Russia without a national idea

      Yah? Is it an idea? Or is it that declared goals directly contradict real goals?
  • Pablo_K
    Pablo_K 16 September 2013 15: 52
    +4
    Quote: astra
    Today it is not possible to formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way. The Academy of Geopolitical Problems and Moscow State Linguistic University have won the relevant tender, competition, and formed the geopolitical doctrine of Russia.

    And here is the tender, doesn’t it seem that this is the top of bureaucratic idiocy?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 September 2013 16: 10
      +4
      Quote: Pablo_K
      And here is the tender, doesn’t it seem that this is the top of bureaucratic idiocy?

      Why, this is not idiocy, this is quite a conscious "drank".
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 37
      -1
      Quote: Pablo_K
      And here is the tender, doesn’t it seem that this is the top of bureaucratic idiocy?

      Well, how can I tell you ... laughing
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 September 2013 16: 05
    +9
    "Conscience, holiness, justice" - I do not know about holiness, but conscience and justice have always been inherent in us. Until the DOLLAR came and glanced over. hi
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 16 September 2013 16: 32
    +3
    It is not clear why the need arose to formulate anything there at all. We are not fools, he understands where, when and why we live.
    If the goal is to cut money, this is one thing, as they say in a good way, do it, do not care. If you want to legitimize what is happening outside the windows, then there will be problems, you can’t do this quickly, this is a generational task. But we must admit that the problem is persistently and consistently solved, in 30-40 years when the last people who remembered the USSR fall into senility, it will become easier.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 16 September 2013 16: 42
    +3
    Quote: Vadivak
    Here, everyone has their own conscience, Serafim of Saovskiy has his own and Serdyukov has his own, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin have their own and the rest as well, someone and the pope are holy and sinless

    Conscience is a sense of truth, but the truth is it is one, this lie is distinguished by variations. Another thing is not everyone’s conscience, someone has zero, someone sleeps, someone agrees with her not to torment ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 September 2013 17: 25
      +2
      Quote: Alex66
      Conscience is a sense of truth.


      Conscience is the concept of moral consciousness, an inner conviction that is good. And good for Serdyukov, for example, is a lot of money, furs of diamonds,

      Conscience - the ability of an individual to independently formulate his own moral duties and to realize moral self-control. Here you can rephrase your phrase
      Quote: Alex66
      someone agrees with her so as not to torment ...
      Well, I couldn’t say, man.

      Conscience is what makes you think about your actions, doubt, upset. Well, here it’s clear at all, do not be upset and do not give up stealing to the grave
  • Asgard
    Asgard 16 September 2013 16: 46
    12
    Justice and Responsibility + BIG Nationalization and repeal of all laws adopted after 1991.
    Here is a good idea.
    The emphasis must be placed on RESPONSIBILITY .....
    For empty promises - Prison ... promised to return the merchant fleet under Russian jurisdiction, answer)))
    and so on and so forth....

    And so it will be)))
    no need to invent anything ....
    1. bask
      bask 16 September 2013 18: 29
      +3
      “To formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way will not work”

      Will be received.
      NATIONAL IDEA: STORED THE BUDGET MONEY-THE BULLET (by the verdict of the court) IN EVERYTHING !!!
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 September 2013 20: 27
        +3
        Quote: bask
        NATIONAL IDEA: STORED BUDGET MONEY - BULB


        The Chinese seem to be practicing like that, court, sentence, stadium, TT
  • Ross
    Ross 16 September 2013 16: 53
    +4
    The national idea is inextricably linked with the worldview of the people. Who is a man? For what purpose does he live on Earth. If for the last 20 years our rulers have inspired us that the purpose of human life is to consume, then how can we build some kind of new special National Idea? If we were "inscribed" in the Anglo-Saxon model?
    First of all, it is necessary to determine the worldview: who are we individualists-egoists, or do we live for some collective goal, as was the case under Stalin?
    You can recall the times of Svyatoslav the Brave. When, against Byzantine gold, the prince, the spokesman for the worldview of our ancestors, valued honor above all else. At that time, the father transferred all his property to his daughter, and to his son - his sword, a war symbol of honor.
  • jasper
    jasper 16 September 2013 16: 57
    +5
    In the life of the “simple army officer” Leonid Ivashov, several amazing events took place. Who honestly "pulled the strap" will understand me. In 1971, Ivashov immediately entered the Frunze Academy from the "high position" of the company commander. In 1976, after a serious injury as a result of a car accident during exercises, instead of being fired into the reserve “due to flight” and health condition, a sick major is appointed to the post of senior adjutant to the USSR Minister of Defense, Stalin’s People’s Commissar Dmitry Ustinov.



    It is unlikely that Ivashov’s deep knowledge and extensive military experience contributed to his prestigious appointment (by the way, the last post of the future “strategist and commander” in the troops was the deputy regiment commander for combat training). In Soviet times, this was clearly not enough to be included in the nomenclature, strong ties and a correct origin were needed. Just with this, Leonid Grigoryevich was all right. A high-ranking relative in the military party elite, a favorable marriage, the ability to please and guess the wishes of his superiors, all this helped Ivashov already in the 33 of the year successfully land on the floor in the "Arbat Military District", on which he lasted a quarter of a century.

    http://makarih-203.livejournal.com/264742.html очень авторитетный военный не так ли?
  • Normal
    Normal 16 September 2013 17: 02
    +8
    ..... there were enthusiastic responses, but all this fell under the cloth


    Still would! The government has its own concept of a national idea

    Dear Magomedsalam Magomedalievich Magomedov, Chairman of the Presidential Council for Interethnic Relations, drew a thick line under one of the main directions of Russian philosophical thought. According to the document available to Izvestia, the national idea is to "Live in good conscience" and "Live for the good of the Fatherland." In addition, in the document, the respected man Magomedov demands that the Russians “recognize the historical mission of Russia as a translator of justice and creation, support and support for hundreds of large and small nations around the world,”

    ari.ru/news/b86f44634


    At the same time, Magomedov says nothing about justice in relation to the Russians, the support and support of the Russians from the numerous "large and small nations around the world."
    Here is the service and the benefit to all of humanity .... in the person of hundreds of large and small peoples

    The authorities finally decided to make compost from the Russian people for the growth and flowering of other peoples and does not hesitate to talk about it openly.
    And we all talk about some kind of universal service.
    Preservation, saving, growth, education and development of the Russian ethnos, as a state-forming ethnos, should become a national idea. Without Russians there will be no Russia, there will be no "service" or "benefit to all mankind" (well, perhaps only as compost, and even that is not eternal.)
    1. bask
      bask 16 September 2013 19: 49
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      The authorities finally decided to make compost of the Russian people for the growth and flowering of other peoples and not

      Yes. The question is already about the survival of the Russian nation. And Christian civilization in Russia.
      In Syria, Christians are being cut out only because of faith. Without leaving any chance.
      The Holocaust Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Christians, is growing.
      And, the world community is silent and Israel. WHY ???
      1. Normal
        Normal 16 September 2013 22: 11
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Yes. The question is already about the survival of the Russian nation. And Christian civilization in Russia.

        Great bask! As you know, I do not identify the Russian nation with Christianity. I recognize the enormous, historical role of Orthodoxy in Russia, but still always give priority to the nation over religion. A nation, ethnos, people are primary and determine the essence of society. Religion has a great influence on the character and mentality of the people, but still it is not given to determine the underlying qualities of people. Religion can only direct the aspirations and passions of the people in the right direction, but the nature of the people is determined more by climate, landscape and some other slightly changeable conditions.
        Quote: bask
        And, the world community is silent and Israel. WHY ???

        This war is very necessary for someone powerful, active.
        We must not forget that in Syria the Alawite minority is in power, time is not on their side. Salafis are more purely physical; they have a supply of money, weapons and human resources.
        The fact that we are in such a situation, when after Syria we will probably be on the "turn" (after Iran), I consider a huge failure in Russia's foreign policy. And the current foreign policy successes do not correct the situation, but only delay the solution of this issue.
        Quote: bask
        In Syria, Christians are being cut out only because of faith. Without leaving any chance.
        The Holocaust Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Christians, is growing.

        Yes, it’s scary ... They kill and destroy the weak, those who themselves cannot destroy their enemies. Christianity in the BV has weakened so much that Islam does not consider it necessary to stop its scumbags. Everyone else does not care at best, but at worst they seek their interest in this.
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 16 September 2013 17: 23
    +2
    Answering a question about the national idea, Putin said: “I am often asked this question, and I allow myself to repeat myself and quote Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who once called our national idea“ the preservation of the people. ” In this phrase, in fact, the main goal of modern Russia is concluded, all the transformations that are taking place in the economy, social sphere, social and political life. ” http://www.rus-obr.ru/ru-web/11310
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 00: 57
      0
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      "People's savings"
      He just forgot to clarify what kind of people
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 17 September 2013 01: 04
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        He just forgot to clarify what kind of people

        And why this demotivator ...? Russia is a multinational state or what, now all to steal or separate.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 17 September 2013 01: 34
          +1
          Quote: Russ69
          Russia is a multinational state or what, now all to steal or separate.

          And with what joy is the Russian Federation multinational, if there are 80% of Russians in it, and of the remaining 20% ​​3/4 of peoples have Russian cultural stereotypes? Or has the concept of a democratic majority already been stolen? - this is the 1st.

          2nd — the Basic Law clearly states that EVERYTHING is equal before the law and the court, but in practice, I don’t observe this, and the bias is towards the minorities.

          3rd - the slogan "enough to feed the Caucasus" (and others like it) calls not for the secession of the Caucasus, but for the rational use of funds, for the restoration of production instead of building mosques and high-rise buildings of the luxury class - how, due to the current paradigm of distribution of funds, the Russian provinces should be reminded ?

          4th — to what extent senility must be reached in order to recognize Judaism (which is professed by no more than 0.11% of the population) as a traditional religion and to give this ethnic group preferences over the rest?

          So the question arises - what kind of people were we talking about?
  • Siberian
    Siberian 16 September 2013 17: 25
    +2
    Today it is not possible to formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way.
    Naturally does not work. The bureaucrats have their own national idea. And the people have their own nat. idea.
  • saag
    saag 16 September 2013 17: 25
    +2
    Conscience, Holiness, Justice of Russia, Hare Krishna !!!! :-)
  • Savva30
    Savva30 16 September 2013 17: 41
    +1
    The matrix of our civilization is conscience, holiness, justice. All this is certainly good and correct. But I would like the top to recognize the truth before creating a "national idea" ... "the fish rots from the head"
  • waisson
    waisson 16 September 2013 18: 05
    +1
    did not understand a little
    I consider fairness and what can be put on another side
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 16 September 2013 18: 18
    +6
    Here they criticize the "consumer society". So what not to consume now? Do not eat what? I want to consume and eat! And some Ivashov offers me not to eat and to eat with the holy spirit. Let him not consume it himself. Let him give everything he has acquired by overwhelming to the Papuans, while he himself gnaws at the bark with his bare bottom. Well, naturally, that Ivashov did not come up with it himself. This top for cutting social programs (raising the retirement age, abolishing free medicine and education, introducing toll roads, etc.) is carrying out an information attack on the population so that they do not get too excited at first.
    The national idea from me is this: enough for us to hang holy water on our ears! Drive the working people honestly earned to the penny!
  • avt
    avt 16 September 2013 18: 24
    +5
    I will save the nerves of the author's fans, but I cannot refuse one question to him. “Today it will not be possible to formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way. The Academy of Geopolitical Problems and the Moscow State Linguistic University won the corresponding tender, competition, and formed the geopolitical doctrine of Russia. We laid in it the messianic essence of our character, where the beginnings of a new world are laid - a more humanistic, just one. "---- and how it corresponds with the pathetic heading ------- ,," It will not work to formulate a national idea in a bureaucratic way " "??? Tendering is not a bureaucratic way through procedures prescribed by bureaucrats? Or maybe it's such a free, democratic-patriotic tender? laughing Probably, with the “patriotic mind”, the tender was transferred from the bureaucratic to the patriotic one and the money from him, according to Ostap Bender's behest, went to street children.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 16 September 2013 19: 15
    0
    The matrix of our civilization is conscience, holiness, justice.

    Russian history has its own idea: we call it geopolitical, and some call it national. But in general, both in the pagan, and in the Christian, and in the Soviet period, the idea of ​​serving the Lord God, the idea of ​​serving nature and the idea of ​​serving the Fatherland. The messianic essence is inherent in each of our people, that is, he is called to live not in order to be enriched, debauchery and have fun, but in order to benefit all of humanity.

    It is impossible to formulate the national idea comprehensively and unambiguously with words, just as it is impossible to withdraw and explore the soul of the people.
    Our national idea is eternal and unchanging and consists primarily in preserving our land, in which the labor, sweat, blood and dust of our ancestors are laid. Without the land of the Fatherland, there can be no national idea.
    Any words and formulations are inaccurate and ambiguous.
    Serving someone cannot be a national idea, these are just the stated priorities of national shrines and values ​​that change over time. God, Nature, Fatherland? each for himself prioritizes whom to serve.
    The messianic essence and the benefit to all of humanity have never been prevented from enriching, debauchery and having fun.
    Everyone has their own concepts of conscience, holiness and justice. What is holy and fair for an oligarch is not suitable for those who work for him.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 21: 17
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      What is holy and fair for an oligarch is not suitable for those who work for him.

      So there must be SUCH laws so that holy and fair, suitable for the employee, is MANDATORY for the oligarch.
  • repytw
    repytw 16 September 2013 19: 17
    +2
    The main idea that is intertwined with all who wrote comments is justice. Really JUSTICE in every sense: in social, national, financial, social, historical, religious, etc. But if the authorities, based on the desire for justice of the majority of Russian citizens, write a national idea, then they will need to be judged and returned to the USSR, socialism. That is why they have been inventing the national idea for so long and probably will not invent anything.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 16 September 2013 19: 48
    +2
    As long as there is enormous inequality, what national idea can one think about or should it be two-faced or two-faced for the common population and for officials and oligarchs, for the latter lampposts will be more familiar
  • shurup
    shurup 16 September 2013 20: 34
    +3
    The author is weak in mathematics. Axioms are formulated and accepted, and theorems are proved according to axioms.
    But this is not done by the academy of creating geo-problems with linguistic state institutes, but by people like Diogenes.
    The bureaucrat formulates as they say from above. And above is Nero (until they strangle).
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 September 2013 23: 01
    -1
    I respect Colonel General L.G. Ivashov.
    I'm afraid this is some kind of bill ...
    For some reason, I think that the general is right, but to judge this from this, as I think, docked thought is not possible.
    Colonel General L.G. Ivashovsoldier
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 16 September 2013 23: 21
      +1
      Dear Andrey, this is certainly not my business and you may not answer this question, for what do you respect Ivashov? Unless of course this is sarcasm.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 17 September 2013 08: 17
        0
        Dear Andrey, this is certainly not my business and you may not answer this question, for what do you respect Ivashov? Unless of course this is sarcasm.

        Dear namesake!
        In this case, there is no sarcasm.
        I respect Colonel-General L.G. Ivashov for his position and adherence.
  • yurypetrunin
    yurypetrunin 16 September 2013 23: 15
    +3
    Let me express my opinion on the national idea. In addition to the respected L.G. Ivashov at the Academy of Geopolitical Problems http://akademiagp.ru/ob-akademii-geopoliticheskix-problem/,
    the International University of Fundamental Education (IUFS), organized by the citizen of Sri Lanka Shanti P. Jayasekara http://www.mufo.ru/, is engaged in a similar topic. They will fulfill any whim for your money: they will confer a "scientific" title or a state rank, they can also award a medal signed by Barack Obama himself. There are such medalists in Gatchina.
    The Academy of Geopolitical Problems has a Department of Spiritual Problems under the direction of Vice President K.N. Sokolova. An analogue, and abruptly, is in the IUFS. Those interested can read the links.
    But the national idea of ​​gasification of Russia and, in particular, our village with gas pipelines and a network of gas distribution stations built, no one's hands and brains reach without 200-300 thousand rubles from the pockets of our old pensioners from every home.
    I wrote to the President of the Russian Federation in due time. that the Shtokman field is nothing compared to the Russian field that our Miller & Co. You have to invest money there, drill holes, and here the Russians are sheared for 4,5 thousand rubles per running meter of a plastic pipe worth 110r / meter ... Details in Yandex or Mail, a whole film, address: "Gasification of Gatchina. Gas War". I won't lie, there is some progress. Prosecutor Gatchinsky was dismissed for complicity in the gas lawlessness. But this is SIX years of the gas war, longer than the Great Patriotic War. And I'm seventy next year ...
    Weak about Mr. Ivashev to connect the geopolitics of his own citizens offended by our country? And not only in gas, but in medicine, utilities, education. In a warm office, of course, a well-fed hungry man is not a comrade.
    Yuri Petrunin. Veteran of the Armed Forces of the USSR. Polar, Gatchina.
  • -Max-
    -Max- 17 September 2013 00: 23
    -1
    Leonid Ivashov is completely right !!!
    Now people worship money as an idol!
    (Do not make yourself an idol)
    And all my life is spent on serving this "idol"
    But do big money bring happiness?
    Or do they bring fear and grief?
    Or do you think a person without a Mercedes cannot be happy?
    Happiness is love and harmony!
    And if someone thinks that this can be bought for money, then he is deeply mistaken!
    Conscience, Holiness, Justice is much more important than money.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 17 September 2013 01: 39
      +1
      Quote: -Max-
      Now people worship money as an idol!
      And all my life is spent on serving this "idol"

      What worship and service to money can we talk about if, according to ILO and UN standards, 2/3 of the population of the Russian Federation live below the poverty line?
  • forester
    forester 17 September 2013 05: 56
    0
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Quote: GreatRussia
    Really? And in what way?

    For example, the unifying Chechen national idea is to live off subsidies from the Russian Federation! Works, unites, thrives!

    For this, they both fought and achieved their own, therefore they behave like winners, because Kadyrov does not give a damn about everything releases according to parole, convicted and transferred to Chechen prisons from other regions, because weddings with shooting in the center of Moscow. But in general, Ivashov is not right to impose a national idea on top. What could be the idea of ​​gastro-genital cosmopolitans like the market and dogs, who consider workers to be cattle, and their parasitic insignificance as creators. Here I have my own idea to exterminate these and I'm not alone.