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Why does Russia send ships to the Mediterranean?

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The attention of the whole world is focused on the situation around Syria. Analysts are trying to predict the exact date of the military invasion of foreign countries and make other predictions. For example, the possibility of participation in the conflict of a country and even the likelihood that the intervention in Syria will result in an armed conflict between third countries is being considered. The forecasts for a major war often feature Russian ships on duty in the Mediterranean. According to some experts and some of the public concerned, it is the Russian Navy that will become the force that will not allow NATO countries to strike at Syria or even help it defend itself.




Judging by the available information, Russia is not going to openly participate in a possible war. However, in the Mediterranean at the present time there are about a dozen Russian warships and an unnamed number of submarines. They perform various combat training tasks, but at the same time they do not take any aggressive actions. Russian cruisers, large landing ships, etc., to put it in modern terminology, carry out their presence in the region and follow the current situation, but no more.

It must be remembered that in the event of a conflict, Russian sailors will most likely have to perform new tasks directly related to the situation in the region. It is unlikely that it will strike at any targets or defend ground and surface objects. The composition of the Russian group in the Mediterranean Sea speaks in favor of such an assumption. Almost half of the ships there are destined for the transportation and landing of troops. Large landing ships (BDK) of the Black Sea, Baltic and even Pacific fleets are simply not intended for active combat operations at sea. However, they can be used as a transport for the necessary goods, including military ones.

In recent days, the question of finding Russian landing ships near Syria has been further developed. A few days ago, the Nikolai Filchenkov BDK came out of Novorossiysk. The ship headed to the eastern part of the Mediterranean, which caused a specific reaction of some foreign media. Large landing ships of the 1171 project, to which Nikolay Filchenkov belongs, are capable of transporting over one thousand tons of various cargoes. Probably, it was precisely the cargo accepted by the ship in Novorossiysk, the composition of which was not announced, that caused ambiguous publications in the foreign press.



The use of large amphibious ships as a transport of certain goods required by the Syrian army, at the moment has no official confirmation. A number of facts may serve as an indirect confirmation of this assumption, but the Russian leadership has not yet disclosed the true reasons for the transfer of a large number of BDK to the area of ​​possible conflict.

In this regard, it is worth considering the second version of the presence of landing ships. In Syria, despite the long civil war, there is still a large number of Russians who came there on a business trip or permanently. In the event of a full-scale conflict, the BDK will be able to take them on board and deliver them to Russia. Amphibious ships in the region, depending on the specific type, are capable of carrying everyone from 200 to 300. Thus, in one flight, seven BDKs can return approximately 1500-2000 Russians to their homeland.

And yet, in addition to the amphibious ships in the Mediterranean, there are ships of other types. Particular attention is the hike of the missile cruiser "Moscow". He recently visited the ports of Cuba and Nicaragua. Now, having completed all the planned combat training tasks in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, he is heading for the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea. As already mentioned, Russian ships are unlikely to fight with anyone if intervention in Syria begins, but finding a ship in the region with powerful air defense systems and a developed radar complex will allow Russia to monitor all events and, if necessary, assist friendly Syria .



The Russian ships in the eastern part of the Mediterranean, using their radar systems, are able to create a continuous surveillance zone covering both the territory of Syria and the nearby waters. This will allow the Russian military to observe the movements of NATO ships, track missile launches and strike aircraft sorties. At the same time, Russian sailors can be not only silent observers, but also informants. The information received can be transmitted to the relevant authorities of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and in addition, to the Syrian headquarters. This may be the help promised by the Russian leadership.

Thus, a fairly plausible picture is formed of how, in the event of an intervention, Russian ships arriving in the Mediterranean Sea will work. Naturally, in real conditions assumptions can either be confirmed or be refuted. However, in the current situation it is impossible to make more accurate predictions. With confidence we can only say that the Russian ships will not engage in battle with foreign ones and Russia will not be drawn into the war.


On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://itar-tass.com/
http://interfax.ru/
http://rus.ruvr.ru/
http://bbc.co.uk/
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 13 September 2013 07: 12 New
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    Why why? So that the Americans had something to think about. I am not enthusiastic about the Assad regime, but the more he kills these bearded bastards, the easier it will be for us to live. Nobody will fight for Syria, but it’s quite possible to provide target designation for the Yakhonts. Now is not 1999 year.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 13 September 2013 07: 21 New
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      Quote: Kibalchish
      I'm not thrilled with the Assad regime

      what are your complaints, you can ask? laughing
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 13 September 2013 09: 17 New
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        This is wonderful, do not be shy to support Syria. Yeah, who would have thought, 10-12 years ago, that such a thing would be possible fellow We have grown so much that we can interfere with the Americans, in my opinion, the result of the revival of the fleet in the face. This is wonderful ... Of course, there will not be any war between the United States and Russia, but the fact of such a demonstration of power, he cannot but rejoice.
        1. elvira
          elvira 13 September 2013 15: 49 New
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          Russia and Iran support Syria .. The rest are shy ....
          Quote: Natalia
          do not be shy
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 13 September 2013 20: 36 New
            +3
            I’ll get in here, in the raspberry, in the women's battalion. Natalia, Elvira ... It’s a pity there is no Thundering today, like her branch, that is the topic. So, girls, are we going to fight between us? How is your mood? Ready to wet the vaunted marines?
            1. elvira
              elvira 14 September 2013 09: 52 New
              +7
              Quote: aksakal
              So, girls, are we going to fight between us? How is your mood? Ready to wet the vaunted marines?

              Нет, голубчик, женщины же противницы воин (за себя, разумеется, отвечаю)! Дай Бог, чтобы не пришлось решать конфликт силовыми методами и "мочить" кого-либо. Но спесь сбить с американцев - дело доброе. Надеюсь, что вопрос таки решиться дипломатическим путем. Это будет двойная победа нашей страны.
              1. Quiet
                Quiet 15 September 2013 13: 48 New
                0
                No, my dear, women are opponents of a warrior

                ... Well, when for you beautiful guys squatters break ... ????
                1. elvira
                  elvira 18 September 2013 15: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Quiet
                  Well, when for you beautiful guys squatters break ... ????


                  Do you think the whales in Syria are breaking because of women now? laughing
        2. DS22
          DS22 17 September 2013 18: 58 New
          -3
          Well, yes, a revival ..... I would like to see something newer under the Russian flag in the oceans ... Tactical tasks in this area are still capable of fulfilling our formation, but unfortunately, it really affect the fighting unable! Yes, and our SUPERBOY PRESIDENT, in my opinion, just has a thin gut to order the combat use of the forces and means of the Navy in this conflict.
          1. Kasyanov Sergey
            Kasyanov Sergey 17 September 2013 19: 48 New
            +2
            This is YOUR gut
          2. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 18 September 2013 20: 18 New
            0
            Quote: DS22
            Well, yes, a revival ..... I would like to see something newer under the Russian flag in the oceans ... Tactical tasks in this area are still capable of fulfilling our formation, but unfortunately, it really affect the fighting unable! Yes, and our SUPERBOY PRESIDENT, in my opinion, just has a thin gut to order the combat use of the forces and means of the Navy in this conflict.


            you probably just made a mistake with the forum
            here it is advisable to think first, and then poke the keys.
            1. Vintorez333
              Vintorez333 19 September 2013 01: 15 New
              0
              My opinion is that the forum should be objective, otherwise it loses its meaning.
      2. Siberian German
        Siberian German 14 September 2013 12: 42 New
        0
        but the fact that we need Assad so far - but the crisis will end, how will he behave?
      3. KILLAvolt
        KILLAvolt 17 September 2013 15: 53 New
        +2
        I'm not thrilled with the Assad regime
        ... and you, by chance, do not have Obama's last name? laughing
    2. Civil
      Civil 13 September 2013 07: 21 New
      +9
      Ну типа "Отсель грозить мы будем шведу!" Ну и личный состав откатать в максимольно приближенной к боевой, обстановки. Однако суда снабжения и буксиры на картинке зачем?!
      1. TRex
        TRex 13 September 2013 08: 02 New
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        Как "зачем"? Чтобы показать милитаристские устремления Кремля. Там, кроме "Пантелеева", сколько нибудь значимой единицы нету. Даже ПМ-138 нарисовали - я ее помню с 80-х лейтенантских годов, наверное в Тартусе к причалу приварена, чтоб не потонула. Если буксиры и транспорты рисуют, значит готовы и вельботы, снующие между кораблями, под флагом ВМФ РФ показать - мол, видите, какую армаду Путин прислал против наших маленьких крейсеров, фрегатов и АПЛ.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 08: 31 New
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          But what about the picture with the ships, why there are Amer’s submarines, but ours aren’t ????? Secretly clear, then there is nothing to draw the balance of power.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 13 September 2013 09: 30 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But what about the picture with the ships, why there are Amer’s submarines, but ours aren’t ????? Secretly clear, then there is nothing to draw the balance of power.

            Sanya, Amer’s boats afloat and ours are under water, how do you know how many there are? laughing
            1. Docent1984
              Docent1984 19 September 2013 16: 54 New
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              Типа "оно" не тонет?)))
        2. Orel
          Orel 13 September 2013 08: 32 New
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          At the same time, Russian sailors can be not only silent observers, but also informants.


          And they can, on completely legitimate grounds, shoot down American cruise missiles that fly dangerously close to Russian warships ...
          1. Dangerous
            Dangerous 13 September 2013 09: 02 New
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            What kind of law is this?
            1. igor36
              igor36 13 September 2013 09: 39 New
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              Quote: Dangerous
              What kind of law is this?

              Convention on the law of the sea and on the open sea, as well as the law on the defense of the Russian Federation, the charter of the Russian Navy.
        3. Kubanets
          Kubanets 13 September 2013 18: 32 New
          10
          Печально.В конце 80- ых работал на танкере "Маршал Бирюзов"по обеспечению 5 Средиземноморской флотилии.Тогда была мощь.А нынче больно смотреть
          1. bublic82009
            bublic82009 14 September 2013 00: 23 New
            +2
            totally agree with you. The KChF Museum has a map with the presence of our ships in the Mediterranean. in power was
            1. Kubanets
              Kubanets 23 September 2013 14: 02 New
              0
              So there were two supply points. And for each detachment up to 15 ships
      2. transbiz-ka
        transbiz-ka 13 September 2013 10: 58 New
        +6
        Dear, I’m a self-military motorist. And I want to say that in a convoy of normal commanders and commanders, there must always be present, if not means to provide maintenance and repair, then at least evacuation ...
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 September 2013 11: 51 New
        +4
        but because while this is so, unfortunately our fleet is not young, and the autonomy is fraught with breakdowns, alas, this is a fact.
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 18 September 2013 16: 04 New
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        Quote: Civil
        Ну типа "Отсель грозить мы будем шведу!" Ну и личный состав откатать в максимольно приближенной к боевой, обстановки. Однако суда снабжения и буксиры на картинке зачем?!

        Включите воображение, и сразу всё поймёте. Они туда зенитные и противокарабельные ракеты возят. А корабли типа гвардейского ракетного крейсера-флагмана ЧФ "Москва" будут охранять морскую группировку и одновременно служить центрами раннего оповещения ракетных пусков и вылетов амерских авиационных групп. Для наземных (в Сирии) зенитных и ударных ракетных комплексов. Персонал которых нельзя будет идентифицировать как Российских военнослужащих, а значит и нанести по России превентивный удар. soldier
    3. sancho
      sancho 13 September 2013 10: 45 New
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      Вообще интересно, А, как вам такая мысль? Что, если с наших кораблей начнут уничтожать пролетающие "томагавки"? Ведь во-первых это бесплатная мишень, во-вторых притензий по ее сбитию врят ли кто предьявит, в-третьих - это хорошая практика для моряков. Не досбитые мишени, добьют Сирийские ПВО.
      AND! It’s a very interesting idea - to tell us that any launch of a rocket in the direction of a Russian ship will immediately be retaliatory ... for the aggressor!

      This is just an assumption, what if?
      1. papik09
        papik09 13 September 2013 14: 41 New
        +2
        drinks drinks drinks hi
        100%, class!
      2. captain dvv
        captain dvv 16 September 2013 00: 19 New
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        Quote: sancho
        Вообще интересно, А, как вам такая мысль? Что, если с наших кораблей начнут уничтожать пролетающие "томагавки"? Ведь во-первых это бесплатная мишень, во-вторых притензий по ее сбитию врят ли кто предьявит, в-третьих - это хорошая практика для моряков. Не досбитые мишени, добьют Сирийские ПВО.
        AND! It’s a very interesting idea - to tell us that any launch of a rocket in the direction of a Russian ship will immediately be retaliatory ... for the aggressor!

        This is just an assumption, what if?


        As soon as they begin to destroy the tomahawks, they themselves will immediately turn into free targets. I hope that the leadership of the army understands this and the tasks are different except for collecting information.
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 18 September 2013 16: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: sancho
        Вообще интересно, А, как вам такая мысль? Что, если с наших кораблей начнут уничтожать пролетающие "томагавки"?

        Do you want to start a world war? Do you really believe that the destruction of the Tomogavks from Russian ships will go unnoticed and unpunished? lol
        For any such action there should be a serious justification and an even more serious cover. Read my post on top.
      4. novobranets
        novobranets 18 September 2013 18: 59 New
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        Quote: sancho
        It’s a very interesting idea - to tell us that any launch of a rocket in the direction of a Russian ship will immediately be retaliatory ... for the aggressor!

        It is tempting to practice, of course. Such an idea already existed. But as you imagine, declare the United States its intention to shoot down their missiles. On what basis? Before launching missiles, their ships will take up such positions when the flight path of the rocket will pass away from our ships. In addition, the United States will almost certainly warn the command of the Russian fleet that Russian ships are not the target of the attack. Russia and Syria do not have an agreement on mutual military assistance, and the opening of fire by the Russian fleet located in the territorial waters of Syria on US missiles will be regarded as armed intervention and attack on the us fleet. The balance of power, to put it mildly, is strongly not in our favor. Lose the squadron due to several downed rockets? I fully support you, in terms of assistance to Syria, but so far the maximum that we can do is to fix missile launches and warn the Syrians. hi
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 13 September 2013 11: 03 New
      -13
      I’m what I think probably not all Russian captains were squinting and some may have some problems at home and now imagine this situation amers begin to stomp Syria everything flies overhead and everything is cocked and from home comes an order not to intervene and here’s one of the Russians the captains decide how much you can endure already and plant the amers on the nimitz in response, the rest of the Russians see that they are killing and getting into the slaughter AND THERE TELL ME WHAT WILL BE NEXT?
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Why why? So that the Americans had something to think about. I am not enthusiastic about the Assad regime, but the more he kills these bearded bastards, the easier it will be for us to live. Nobody will fight for Syria, but it’s quite possible to provide target designation for the Yakhonts. Now is not 1999 year.
      1. smile
        smile 13 September 2013 16: 22 New
        +9
        vjhbc
        Who gave you the right to decide that one of the Russian captains was squinting at all (although you hypocritically assume that not all are possible)? Your twisted conscience? Or are these the consequences of oligophrenia? I don’t know who you are by nationality, I don’t think so, since it is unlikely that any people will consider theirs to be the one who was squinting ... with which I congratulate you ....
        1. vjhbc
          vjhbc 13 September 2013 19: 27 New
          -3
          smile
          it is true that you think that the army is separate from the people and everything is fine there; all the great guys are fine with them and they have not succumbed to the contagion of consumption and the perpetrators do not care syndrome. about nationality, teach heraldry to recognize flags. and the rest is on your conscience. in general, koment needs to be read to the end and think a little before answering indignantly
          1. smile
            smile 14 September 2013 00: 24 New
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            vjhbc
            Ваше очень резкое высказывание вызвало очень резкую ответную реакцию. Я дочитал внимательно. И текст меня возмутил. Безусловно высказывание "народ и армия едины"-верно во всех смыслах-и в том. что вы сейчас сказали- тоже. Но то, что командиры кораблей нашего ВМФ не начинают без приказов, на своё усмотрению, военные действия я не вижу признаков скурвливания...и считаю подобные высказывания оскорблением наших моряков, хоть убейте.
            Yes, I re-read my comment, it fell disproportionately from the neck, I apologize ... but you should also correct your statement.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 14 September 2013 00: 43 New
              +7
              Quote: smile
              But the fact that the commanders of the ships of our Navy do not start without orders,

              Hello toothy drinks Someone Kuznetsov, a man and the Tavkr, at one time gave the order to comply with the ship's charter, and under certain conditions there are no instructions from above request laughing
              1. smile
                smile 15 September 2013 00: 25 New
                +1
                Ruslan67
                Сам привет!..не менее зубастый...еще и когтястый :))) Я об этих случаях слышал, если честно, лишь краем уха...но , думаю, он имел в виду не эти случаи...хотя, на парня я конечно, так жёстко наехал зря - за пару минут до того -как раз полаялся с одним националистом, утверждавшим, что трусость-национальная черта русского характера и всерьёз разозлился, сюда захожу и вижу "сссскурвившихся Русских командиров" - и привет-планка упала :)))...но я уже покаялся...:)))
            2. novobranets
              novobranets 18 September 2013 19: 06 New
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              Quote: smile
              But the fact that the commanders of the ships of our Navy do not start without orders, at their discretion, military operations

              I agree with you, and there are no idiots among our captains. And to start World War III, on my personal impulse, in my opinion, the top of idiocy.
          2. Current 72
            Current 72 14 September 2013 01: 47 New
            +3
            I’m Belarusian, I put you - (minus), think why.
            1. smile
              smile 15 September 2013 00: 27 New
              -1
              Current 72
              Thank. As far as possible I compensate for the disadvantages that someone for some reason put you.
          3. Batman
            Batman 14 September 2013 22: 19 New
            +3
            У нас отличные офицеры, капитаны флотов!, которые превыше всего ставят Честь, Родина... И я согласен со Smile, это оскорбление, заявлять, кто капитан способен по своей прихоти напасть на "предпологаемого друга" или "вероятного противника"
      2. Coward
        Coward 13 September 2013 16: 48 New
        +3
        I apologize for the clarification, but on ships - commanders, and captains on ships.
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    5. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 13 September 2013 11: 33 New
      +2
      Targeting means highlighting the target with a special locator. If your ship began to be highlighted in this way, then something is already flying in you, or it will fly. This act is a direct participation in hostilities on a certain side, and that is how it will be interpreted. The captain of the opposite side receives the right to eliminate the threat by force of arms, and will be right, and everyone understands this. So if, according to Putin, we will not fight, we will also not highlight anything. Illuminate the air situation - yes, warn about launches - yes, transmit the coordinates of the ships - most likely yes. Interference is most likely not. Otherwise, soon some kind of Georgia will shell our ships illuminated by the Americans.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 13 September 2013 12: 13 New
        +9
        The presence of our ships is one of the main deterrents to US aggression against Syria. And our ships have the right to shoot missiles if they fly in their direction and can pose a potential threat to our ships - it was not for nothing that the exercises were conducted recently with firing - the article was about this in VO.
        1. bif
          bif 13 September 2013 12: 55 New
          36
          I agree with you completely, I’ll only clarify - for reasons of defense, our ships can be shot down, being outside the territorial waters of Syria, in order to maintain neutrality.
          But this is still lyrics about a POSSIBLE future.
          But about the present - 7 BDK from the whole group, as the author observes, is not simple and I want to share extremely interesting information.
          "...Становятся известными некоторые детали разговора Путина с Обамой. Так, предложение передать сирийское химическое оружие под контроль международного сообщества поступило как раз от Путина, и сегодня Путин это уже не скрывает. Лавров скромничает и говорит, что это мол «не совсем российское предложение», тут ясно, что российская сторона просто спасает Обаму, и он был рад такому повороту событий, но когда услышал, что взамен, как фактор сдерживания, Россия предоставит системы ПВО Асаду, то это и привело Обаму к той самой печальке. Основной его задачей было взять Асада тёпленького и, убрав химическое оружие из Сирии, Обама считал задачу выполненной, но когда узнал, что взамен сирийское небо окажется неприступным, то грусть-тоска ему в «зобу дыханье спёрла». В конце концов, то, что происходит - можно считать меньшим из зол.

          Собственно говоря, это только ухудшило положение США и осложнило задачу Пентагону. Все риски Пентагона были до сих пор на земле, то есть, если американские солдаты не идут в Сирию, то и хим. оружие против них бессильно. Но если вместо зарина у Сирии появятся новейшие ПВО, то опасность уже не только при наземном вторжении, но и при воздушных атаках более очевидна. Фактически, Путин ласково и нежно стреножил Обаму. Без воздушных налетов никто американские войска в Сирию посылать не посмеет. Вот он, знаменитый путинский оверштаг! С одной стороны - он кажется уступает, но с другой стороны - его противник видит, что положение для него только ухудшилось... говорится, что Россия возит вооружение в Сирию не только на своих военных кораблях, которые всё прибывают к берегам Сирии, но так же использует гражданские корабли" http://www.contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3334-obstruktsiya-po-chernomu
    6. AVV
      AVV 13 September 2013 13: 47 New
      +4
      What? The Saudi regime would be better ??? I think hardly! Such a regime was in Egypt in the person of Muslim brothers and where is it now ???
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 18 New
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    Naturally, there can be no participation of Russia in the Syrian conflict. Let's be realistic, this is called a flag show. Of course, in the event of an attack on Syria, all information about missile launches, take-offs of planes will be transmitted to the Syrians, but no more. If the US fleet receives an order to strike at the Syrians, they will strike regardless of whether there are ships of the Russian Federation or not. NATO aircraft of these ships. Any rash action can lead to a war between the USA and the Russian Federation, and no one will allow this.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 08: 32 New
      10
      Quote: xetai9977
      Naturally, there can be no participation of Russia in the Syrian conflict.

      Unless, under American bombs, our citizens, who are not few there, will not die. Further, the scenario is not predictable.
      1. S-200
        S-200 13 September 2013 10: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Unless, under American bombs, our citizens, who are not few there, will not die. Further, the scenario is not predictable

        In the event of aggression against Syria, no one can forbid us to deploy several full-fledged mobile regiments of military and object air defense (of course with our specialists).
        Это вполне разумно сделать после первых ударов НАТО по сирийским ПВО(пополнять по мере потерь). Но никак НЕ РАНЬШЕ ! Поэтому столько БДК с полными трюмами "гуманитарной помощи"... wink
        А также поставить дополнительно ударные ОТРК "Искандер-Э","Смерч", противокарабельные крылатые ракеты...
        ТАКИЕ силы ВМФ(с убийцей авианосцев "Москвой") РФ концентрируются вовсе не для "наблюдательных" функций ( для этого достаточно двух разведкораблей) !
        So your colleagues, from sovereign Caspian sea powers, your poorly hidden skepticism about the ability of the Russian Navy in confronting the NATO Navy - is not motivated by anything ...
        The facts say otherwise ....
        1. Strong
          Strong 15 September 2013 19: 06 New
          0
          Quote: S-200
          Quote: eplewke
          Who is stopping us from shooting down Amer’s axes? Sounds fantastic, but what if?

          No fiction! Missiles attacking a warship will be downed whenever possible!
          WITHOUT any doubt and hesitation ....
          A ship is a sovereign territory of Russia subjected to a missile attack!
          Any questions ???


          There is. One. Explain how axes can threaten ships? It is hard to argue, there used to be one species of the ax-like family, for work on ships. Yes, with the collapse of the Union, they altered it into land tactical axes.
        2. captain dvv
          captain dvv 16 September 2013 00: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: S-200
          The facts suggest otherwise ...


          What facts suggest otherwise.

          To be honest, even during the USSR, the alignment of forces at sea was far from in our favor, not to mention the current state of the Russian Navy.
          Any sane person understands that we will lose any conflict with the NATO bloc outside our borders. And the participation of our specialists and the supply of weapons during the acute phase of the confrontation is a direct participation in the conflict with all the disastrous consequences for us.
      2. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 13 September 2013 11: 21 New
        +1
        Seriously? What kind of weather do you have in America?
        1. papik09
          papik09 13 September 2013 14: 46 New
          +4
          Fucking weather, and not enough in diapers pharmacies .... wassat
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 13 September 2013 09: 22 New
      10
      Quote: xetai9977
      Any rash action can lead to a war between the US and the Russian Federation, and no one will allow this.

      Вы путаете причину и следствие. "Необдуманная акция" имеет первичное отношение именно к действиям США. "Демонстрация флага" РФ это ответных ход "конем в защиту пешки". Следующий ход за США, а вот здесь дилемма, пойти на необдуманную акцию или нет, что то подсказывает, что в зоне ответственности флота РФ, они не чего предпринимать не будут. Смысл здесь в том, что бы использовать только такие «мирные» шаги, которые бы не приводили к вооруженному конфликту между США и РФ, иное решение неприемлемо не только для РФ, но и для США. Или вы думаете, что с логикой сша не дружат?
    3. eplewke
      eplewke 13 September 2013 09: 43 New
      +2
      But under international law, the Captain of the ship can decide to shoot down enemy KRs if they threaten the safety of the ship or are in close proximity. Who is stopping us from shooting down Amer’s axes? Sounds fantastic, but what if?
      1. S-200
        S-200 13 September 2013 10: 20 New
        13
        Quote: eplewke
        Who is stopping us from shooting down Amer’s axes? Sounds fantastic, but what if?

        No fiction! Missiles attacking a warship will be downed whenever possible!
        WITHOUT any doubt and hesitation ....
        A ship is a sovereign territory of Russia subjected to a missile attack!
        Any questions ???
        1. igor36
          igor36 13 September 2013 10: 54 New
          +8
          Quote: S-200
          No fiction! Missiles attacking a warship will be downed whenever possible!
          WITHOUT any doubt and hesitation ....
          A ship is a sovereign territory of Russia subjected to a missile attack!
          Any questions ???

          And moreover, in order to not have consequences like an erroneous retaliatory strike from the Russian Navy, the Americans are obliged to warn about the start of hostilities in advance, indicate the area of ​​hostilities and offer to leave it, i.e. surprise factor is lost.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 18 September 2013 19: 56 New
            0
            Quote: igor36
            must warn of the start of hostilities in advance, indicate the area of ​​hostilities and offer to leave, i.e. surprise factor is lost.

            The surprise factor has long been lost.
      2. matross
        matross 13 September 2013 15: 19 New
        +8
        Quote: eplewke
        But under international law, the captain of the ship can decide to shoot down enemy KR

        Yes, forget about the rights of any international. There is no them in fact for a long time !!! Like the captains on the ships. There is the right of the strong. And the ship has a commander! Lawyers, damn it ...
    4. Mhpv
      Mhpv 13 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +6
      It is not an unimportant fact that this American strike will no longer be unexpected for the Syrians thanks to the control of the situation by our ships, which means that it is possible to avoid large losses in the first hours, and this I think annoys the NATO too, and some, having realized, refused to participate. Plus, there’s no need to chase the American ships and boats to collect data, and all kinds of boats create additional noise, which means interference with boats, so that’s also a plus. What kind of sonar mess is happening there!
      1. S-200
        S-200 13 September 2013 12: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: mhpv
        It is not an unimportant fact that this American strike will no longer be unexpected for the Syrians thanks to the control of the situation by our ships, which means that it is possible to avoid large losses in the early hours, and this I think is also annoying to the NATO people, realizing that they refused to participate

        Thus, the Syrian mobile air defense systems can (and should) organize a flexible, maneuverable, timely air defense out of attack! The blow will mainly fall on stationary objects ...
        Ну,а в ответ сирийский спецназ устроит обещанный "шухер" в метрополии...
        turning the snickering American society into a panicky herd of crazies mad in congestion ...
        Вот почему у Обамы такой "опущенный" вид...
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 13 September 2013 15: 07 New
          +3
          If the Syrian cargo ship with clubs approaches New York, the United States of the mattress will remember that to fight is to risk not only other people's lives.
        2. Mhpv
          Mhpv 13 September 2013 18: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: S-200
          snickering american society


          In a word BIGMAKI or HAMBURGERS
          1. sub307
            sub307 14 September 2013 19: 48 New
            0
            Very junk food.
        3. alex86
          alex86 14 September 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: S-200
          сирийский спецназ устроит обещанный "шухер" в метрополии...

          Adults, like people, but believe in fairy tales ...
    5. vjhbc
      vjhbc 13 September 2013 11: 18 New
      0
      and how it will not allow if someone has a head over
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 13 September 2013 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: vjhbc
        and how it will not allow if someone has a head over

        More precisely, at whom it pereklinitsya?
    6. Kubanets
      Kubanets 13 September 2013 19: 17 New
      +2
      Чтобы проводить политику "канонерок" их нужно иметь.Давайте признаем наш флот на грани выработки ресурса
  3. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 13 September 2013 07: 20 New
    27
    Another ship joined.
    Сторожевой корабль Черноморского флота РФ "Сметливый" вышел в четверг 12.09.13 из Севастополя в Средиземное море. Перед этим украинская таможня задержала его более , чем на три часа.Таможенники заново сформировали списки всего экипажа, проверили документы ,задали много вопросов.Как будто специально затягивали время.РОСБАЛТ.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 13 September 2013 07: 45 New
      42
      Ukrainians in relation to Russia never sit on the ass forever, you always need to do minor dirty tricks, like Shopoklyak. It seems like neighbors are also taken, but either envious over the top (that Russia solves world problems, but nobody pays attention to them), or xs what else ...
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 13 September 2013 07: 59 New
        24
        I think that in this case it is not so much a dirty trick of Russia as a curtsy to the West. Like we are doing everything we can, take us to Europe.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 13 September 2013 08: 59 New
          11
          Ну да, как "помощь" в Грузии
          "Но «Они (таможенники) начали заново формировать списки всего экипажа, просматривали все документы, задавали вопросы, создается впечатление, как будто процесс был искусственно затянут», — отметил собеседник издания. По его словам, «Сметливый» должен был выйти из Севастополя в девять утра по местному времени, однако в полдень корабль «еще даже не запустил главный двигатель и не начал приготовление к выходу в море». Источник подчеркнул, что «подобных затягиваний» на его практике еще не было."
          Meanwhile, in early September, a protracted dispute between the Black Sea Fleet and Ukrainian customs escalated. The discussions concerned the tax on goods that are supplied for the life of the fleet. The Russian side (which currently pays both VAT and customs duties when importing similar products into Ukraine) insists that payments are levied illegally. Kiev, in turn, argues that the Black Sea Fleet has no reason to use the benefits.
          http://www.versii.com/news/286776/
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 13 September 2013 10: 57 New
            11
            For some reason, I’m sure that Shtat’s ships, when leaving their foreign naval bases, are not subject to such executions. Why then do the Russian naval commanders of the Black Sea Fleet allow themselves to be mocked at this?
          2. Украинец
            Украинец 15 September 2013 23: 50 New
            -6
            ...В скорости " харьковские договора" денонсируют...и к 2017 году добро пожаловать ...." с вещами на выход"....18 000 га арендуете за копейки...(97 миллионов баксов)....за в трое меньшую площадь " амеры" платят немцам миллиард баксов...Выметайтесь..или платите как положено...
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 16 September 2013 03: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: Ukrainian
              ...В скорости " харьковские договора" денонсируют...и к 2017 году добро пожаловать ...." с вещами на выход"....18 000 га арендуете за копейки...(97 миллионов баксов)....за в трое меньшую площадь " амеры" платят немцам миллиард баксов...Выметайтесь..или платите как положено...

              Do you want the Crimean Guantanamo? laughing
        2. Phase
          Phase 13 September 2013 15: 13 New
          +6
          Quote: Milafon
          I think that in this case it is not so much a dirty trick of Russia as a curtsy to the West. Like we are doing everything we can, take us to Europe.

          I think it’s not necessary to hang all dogs on Ukrainians. I am absolutely convinced that the delay of 3 hours was purely technical and was due simply to gouging as common in Ukraine as we are.
          It is unlikely that this was done intentionally - a three-hour delay will not affect the time of arrival of the ship to its destination, except that the speed in the way will have to be increased and fuel used up. But only that.
      2. Manager
        Manager 13 September 2013 10: 17 New
        11
        Quote: Dangerous
        like Shopoklyak


        Yes, it’s already disgusting just because of this. Here you sit and break yourself and try to convince yourself that Ukrainians are friends, brothers and, in general, the people of Ukraine are friendly to us, and then such news comes. And so every time. I do not want to, of course, but soon I will spit on these self-persuasions.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 18 September 2013 20: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Here you sit yourself breaking and trying to convince yourself that Ukrainians are friends, brothers and, in general, the people of Ukraine are friendly to us,

          And they are struggling to convince us otherwise. request
      3. Mikola
        Mikola 13 September 2013 11: 47 New
        -41
        странные вы, хотите вести торговую войну, не выполнять подписанные договора и не иметь ответных пакостей. В Украине свои "мировые" проблемы, получите и рощпишитесь. Да и много мировых проблем Россия на ровном месте создает сама. Думаете режим Асада долго продержиться?) Но Россия потратит на этот режим немало денег, хотя результат наперед известный.
        1. Vrungel78
          Vrungel78 13 September 2013 13: 56 New
          16
          Mykola. Our watchman just out of respect stopped at your customs. And so he could send tries and swim further.
          1. Украинец
            Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 21 New
            -2
            ...Так пускай пошлет....чего стесняться....и мы вас быстрее 2017 года " пошлем"...
        2. papik09
          papik09 13 September 2013 14: 51 New
          +6
          BALL! YOU ARE BALBES! am am am
        3. bif
          bif 13 September 2013 15: 05 New
          25
          But Russia will spend a lot of money on this regime, although the result is known in advance.
          The fact that Russia will spend or spent on Syria will BACK in full, but what was spent on Ukraine-consider the toilet down.
        4. aleshka
          aleshka 14 September 2013 06: 57 New
          +3
          Well, if you can in more detail, someone does not perform ??? it’s you who are always trying constantly to treat hemorrhoid with the tongue of Europe, but it turns out badly, you see a rough language !!
        5. DJEIN8
          DJEIN8 14 September 2013 23: 20 New
          0
          What should he put cons ... Mikola he is Mikola ......
          Сложно ждать рассудительности, глубины понимания обстановки в мире, ответственности за сказанное перед самим собой и окружающими когда главным являются СВОИ "мировые" проблемы и главная их составляющая - финансовые издержки..........
        6. Украинец
          Украинец 15 September 2013 23: 56 New
          -4
          ...А вот так у них..." управляемая демократия"...как хочу , так и д...у...Мы вам плюнем в морду , а вы кланяйтесь...Пусть собирают монатки....вон из Крыма...Сдадим за миллиард американцам...пущай пользуют....хоть за деньги...
      4. papik09
        papik09 13 September 2013 14: 49 New
        +4
        Unfortunately, you are right, sir ..... crying
        1. Jake danzels
          Jake danzels 13 September 2013 17: 24 New
          -12
          How bad we are, you are up to us with a pure heart, and we are ... scared.
      5. gallville
        gallville 13 September 2013 17: 11 New
        -9
        Respected! According to the constitution of Ukraine - Ukraine is an off-block neutral state. Using the leased ports as a bridgehead in hostilities against other countries, the tenant (in this case, Russia) automatically draws Ukraine into the hostilities. From here and such a delight in the use of warships deployed in the Crimea. Want to fight, move forward from Novorossiysk or from somewhere else. Nobody has yet canceled international law and the opponent (be it Georgia or the NATO bloc) of the tenant (in this case, and so far Russia) has the full right to deliver both a preemptive and a retaliatory strike.
        1. bif
          bif 13 September 2013 18: 17 New
          10
          Ukraine is an off-block neutral state dear heart, if it were like that, it wouldn’t arm Georgia in front of 08.08.08 and our planes wouldn’t knock it off with Ukrainian military personnel .... so say thank you that Ukraine is still a state ... and even with the Constitution .
          1. gallville
            gallville 13 September 2013 18: 35 New
            -18
            Quote: bif
            it wouldn’t have armed Georgia before 08.08.08 and HAD BEEN NOT BEATED

            1. The sale of defensive weapons is purely a matter of two states.
            Quote: bif
            with Ukrainian military personnel our planes ....

            Watch your mercenaries we ourselves will somehow deal with ours. Yours even fought in Chechnya against your own.
            Quote: bif
            . so say thanks that Ukraine is still a state

            1. They didn’t drink at the Brudershaft.
            2. In Ukraine, 48 million people. The Russian Federation washed in blood from Chechnya from 3 million. Do you want the next president to have a surname ending in -CO?))))
            1. VDV 80-82
              VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 19: 19 New
              +3
              and how many of the 48 million Russians? and direct all of these milenas to Russia to protect the Kinutstso Square?)))))
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              2. gallville
                gallville 13 September 2013 19: 45 New
                -9
                В Чечне было 3млн. там тоже не все "кинулись" - думайте.
                1. Polov
                  Polov 19 September 2013 18: 12 New
                  0
                  Bot are you. Selected the best example to prick more painfully? If people die, then more often they are innocent. You rejoice at your mind, God sees everything.
              3. German
                German 16 September 2013 00: 04 New
                +1
                As in my opinion, the German view is definitely from the realm of science fiction! In any case, the provinces (regions) of which are historically Little Russia! ... I think so!
            2. bif
              bif 13 September 2013 20: 32 New
              19
              1. не надо разбивать фразу...ваши штатные единицы "нейтральных" ПВО ВОЕВАЛИ на стороне Грузии, а это не продажа и наемники тут тоже не при чём, если речь не о УПА...
              2. RF washed in Chechnya with blood... not for you to judge.
              3: Sudan is supplying the Syrian opposition using first the territory of Qatar and then Turkey ... Air traffic control in the region stated that at least three Ukrainian companies flew this year from Khartoum, the capital of Sudan, to airfield in western Turkey near the Syrian border
              Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/589515-smi-sudan-postavlyaet-orujie-siriyskim-boevikam
              -aviatsiey-pod-ukrainskim-flagom.html
              4. Soon all the nasty things will come back to you and everything that was before that will be flowers.
              1. gallville
                gallville 14 September 2013 01: 00 New
                -8
                Quote: bif
                ваши штатные единицы "нейтральных" ПВО ВОЕВАЛИ на стороне Грузии, а это не продажа и наемники тут тоже не при чём

                What units defensive We want to sell weapons. Our problems.
                Quote: bif
                if it’s not about UPA ...

                Not everyone loves these and ours.
                Quote: bif
                2. The Russian Federation washed in Chechnya with blood ... not for you to judge.

                Well, it’s not for you to judge our actions in your state and its interests.
                Quote: bif
                3: Sudan is supplying the Syrian opposition using first the territory of Qatar and then Turkey ... Air traffic control in the region stated that at least three Ukrainian companies flew this year from Khartoum, the capital of Sudan, to airfield in western Turkey near the Syrian border

                So what? Civilian vessels are not entitled to transport military goods. There are claims of the official Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the UN and other tales of your media purely Your problems.
                Quote: bif
                4. Soon all the nasty things will come back to you and everything that was before that will be flowers.

                No comments. hang out the bottom imperk to your face.

                Z.Y. not in one of his posts I was not the first to show aggression already from 3 (THIRD) interlocutor I hear угрозы to my country. Do I still think we're brothers?
                1. Current 72
                  Current 72 14 September 2013 02: 16 New
                  +8
                  You DO NOT judge Russia for actions in Chechnya. There was a struggle for the integrity of Russian territory and a fight against Wahhabi terrorists. The truth is to blame Yeltsin for his statement: take sovereignty as much as you can carry.
                  1. gallville
                    gallville 14 September 2013 02: 32 New
                    -10
                    Цитата: Ток 72
                    You DO NOT judge Russia for actions in Chechnya.

                    Well, then hands and desires away from my country. By the way, at least I would change the flag in my comments.
                    Цитата: Ток 72
                    The truth is Yeltsin to blame

                    And Carla’s dad, right?
                    Цитата: Ток 72
                    And so not for you

                    Exactly your level. You’re not worth much. From others, at least the arguments were worthy. Wipe up saliva - put the desired flag - EVERYTHING IS EQUAL TROLEMS WILL STAY =))))
                    1. Sevastopol
                      Sevastopol 18 September 2013 11: 23 New
                      0
                      This is let your newly-minted Ukrainians, thieves and traitors, swept out of the Crimea! My city was founded as the base of the Russian fleet and has remained to them now. And so it will be, while there will be at least one Sevastopolite in the city on his feet. Your Ukrainians are foreigners here!
                2. Bogdarin
                  Bogdarin 14 September 2013 20: 37 New
                  +2
                  Как там Брат (Данила Багров из одноименного фильма) сказал - носорог тебе брат, хитрожелтая. Украина НЕ твоя страна, а УКРАИНСКОГО народа, а ты, бендеровец недобитый. Как правильно сказал один из форумчан - ЛЮБОЙ Росссийский корабль мог бы по ходовой пройти мимо всех ваших таможен, но нет - наши соблюдают законы и правила, общепринятые мировым сообществом. Ты лучше зацени "отработку" чужого газа из НАШИХ труб, и где тут "официальный МИД, ООН и прочее сказки?
                  1. Bogdarin
                    Bogdarin 14 September 2013 20: 39 New
                    +3
                    перед "хитрожелтая" должно стоять слово "Г"н"и"д"а"
                  2. gallville
                    gallville 15 September 2013 14: 01 New
                    -2
                    In addition to insults, essentially nothing to say? Of the 4 who answered from 2 rudeness and from 3 threats towards the integrity of the country, if you like mine too I am part of this very Ukrainian people.
                    Well, well, Russians are looking further at the level of development.
                    1. Украинец
                      Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 26 New
                      -2
                      ...Это и есть средний " уровень развития" среднестатистического россиянина...." алкоголизм, тунеядство, игра на балалайке....взять все и поделить"...им дело есть до "мировых проблем"...а сами ссут мимо унитаза...и блох зубами ловят...
                    2. Sevastopol
                      Sevastopol 18 September 2013 11: 32 New
                      0
                      what kind of people? and Crimeans are not people? your country is a mistake of nature, a stillborn child, created only with the aim of harming Russia. so also Crimea got this unfinished. your Ukraine was never in Crimea, in fact, never will be!
                  3. German
                    German 16 September 2013 00: 18 New
                    +3
                    ББЛЛ .... ТЬ! How dreary to read your likes (not the Internet meaning of the word) Guys! We are one people! Well, do not be like politicians! Yes, everyone has scum. Damn ... there are no words further!
              2. Украинец
                Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 50 New
                -3
                ...Скоро слова говорятся...да не скоро дела делаются....это все из русских сказок...воинственные Емели на бронепечах...Ну и что , что наши потренировались в Грузии?...Что с этого?..Нам - не стыдно...тем более , что " пакостей" вы нам отвесили за 350 лет по самое горло...И заметь..это были " Буки"...а не с-300...прилетайте ..нам надо еще С-300 и С -200 потренировать..
          2. Украинец
            Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 36 New
            -4
            ..Ah, sorry ... Thank you .. We-trained ... excuse me generously ...
        2. VDV 80-82
          VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 19: 16 New
          11
          I think that for the time being you are renting Crimea from Russia ... and soon the rental will end!
          1. gallville
            gallville 13 September 2013 19: 46 New
            -12
            When it seems necessary to be baptized.
            But it does not seem to me that imperial ambitions sometimes go wild for some representatives of the Russian Federation. Especially in view of such messages.
            1. Sevastopol
              Sevastopol 18 September 2013 11: 26 New
              0
              I have been living here all my life and can roll one thing: Ukraine Crimea doesn’t need a damn, it’s a stranger here, it’s only harm from it, stench and garbage and lawlessness.
          2. IT
            IT 13 September 2013 21: 10 New
            +1
            When it seems - it is necessary to be baptized.
          3. Украинец
            Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 29 New
            -6
            ... Go to Gundyaev and get baptized ... so that it doesn’t seem .. Pi ... don’t toss the bags ...
        3. Current 72
          Current 72 14 September 2013 02: 05 New
          +7
          Sevastopol RUSSIAN city, learn history, and the fact that Ukraine has taken it in its hands is temporary.
          1. gallville
            gallville 14 September 2013 02: 36 New
            -3
            Цитата: Ток 72
            Sevastopol RUSSIAN city, learn history, and the fact that Ukraine has taken it in its hands is temporary.

            Change flag. Do not embarrass yourself! =)
            1. German
              German 16 September 2013 00: 21 New
              +1
              But he’s right about Sevastopol.
          2. gallville
            gallville 14 September 2013 02: 51 New
            -12
            Quote: Current 72
            Sevastopol RUSSIAN city, learn history, and the fact that Ukraine has taken it in its hands is temporary.

            You at least put the flag in the Russian settings. And then honestly it’s already ridiculous to read the patriot of someone else’s damn country, albeit fraternal. Do you want me to even write how, otherwise it seems to me you're at school and yours is really bad with your head.
            I forgot where you live and what country you need to think about ... We can and with a computer it’s bad so it's nothing .... it’s not difficult at the level of five years you can. I hope .... =))))
        4. aleshka
          aleshka 14 September 2013 06: 59 New
          +6
          if the moronic Khrushchev gave you the Crimea, this does not mean that he is yours !!!
          1. Украинец
            Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 52 New
            -4
            ... Of course ... So the whole world thinks ...
        5. Rustam009
          Rustam009 15 September 2013 09: 50 New
          +2
          Actually, I believe that Ukraine should give Russia Sevastopol as a base for life and for free, simply because Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine, conquered by Peter the Great.
          1. Украинец
            Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 33 New
            -5
            ...Сейчас расплачемся...от чувств..." Всем давать ...поломается кровать"...А если не дадим? Тогда шо?....Третья мировая?...
            1. MG42
              MG42 16 September 2013 03: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Ukrainian
              ...от чувств..." Всем давать ...поломается кровать".

              Self-critical is how .. wassat

              Quote: Ukrainian
              В скорости " харьковские договора" денонсируют...и к 2017 году добро пожаловать .

              How, if they are ratified by the parliaments of the two countries?
        6. Украинец
          Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 02 New
          -6
          ...Да не " надрывайся" так!...С кем тут говорить?...одни узколобые озабоченные " мировыми проблемами"....лучше бы " озаботились" Дальним Востоком или российской глубинкой.....Чего тут спорить ...Пусть пакуют чемоданы ...и чтобы в 2017 году и духу в Крыму не было...вступить в НАТО...( в назидание) демонстративно...и понаставить элементов ПРО в Харьковской области...вот это будут " мировые проблемы"...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 16 September 2013 03: 18 New
            +8
            Quote: Ukrainian
            and put elements of missile defense in

            Stavilka will not break? Are you losing your hands?
        7. Sevastopol
          Sevastopol 18 September 2013 11: 37 New
          0
          110 dollars pension - this is your country and your constitution. this is not a country, this is some shame.
      6. IT
        IT 13 September 2013 21: 01 New
        -4
        What to envy? laughing
        Now, if pensions at the German level, or income from citizens, as in the Emirates.
        Of course, I wish Russia good luck in the geopolitical struggle with the United States. There are no reasons for envy here. This is the same as envying the Americans because of world domination and their arrogance.
      7. Украинец
        Украинец 15 September 2013 23: 45 New
        -3
        ..." Мировые проблемы"(?)...закусывать надо...Зачем фото " растянули"? Чтобы страшнее смотреть было?....Толи еще будет..Вы же нам ( украинцам) грузы на границе сутками проверяли...так что ж теперь...удивляетесь? ...Нам ваши " мировые проблемы" до одного места....Тем более ...что " амеры" ложили на ваши корабли....это ж невооруженным глазом видно...
    2. demeen1
      demeen1 13 September 2013 07: 57 New
      11
      They did not drag out time, it was out of brotherly love, suddenly it would be necessary to go to a foreign port, and there were errors in the documents. Only this comes from oneself or from whose clues.
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 13 September 2013 09: 46 New
        +6
        What Hae do they even have the right to check our warships? On board is a sovereign state!
        1. Украинец
          Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 34 New
          -6
          ... And we’ll put it in cancer ... if necessary .. we won’t check the current ...
          1. MG42
            MG42 16 September 2013 03: 05 New
            +5
            Quote: Ukrainian
            .And we’ll put it with cancer ... if necessary .. we won’t check the current

            Какой-то ночной <неадекват> появился на сайте.. fool
            Quote: Ukrainian
            и понаставить элементов ПРО в Харьковской области...вот это будут " мировые проблемы"...

            In order to put missile defense it is necessary to join Ukraine in NATO, but this is not realistic without re-equipping the Ukrainian army according to NATO standards, because there is no money with the Russian base in Sevastopol until 2042, and where in Kharkiv region? wassat lol locals will expel NATO warriors without a referendum ..
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 16 September 2013 03: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Ukrainian
            ... And we’ll put it in cancer ... if necessary .. we won’t check the current ...

            Have you framed your tuches already?
    3. eplewke
      eplewke 13 September 2013 09: 44 New
      +3
      Nice ship. Powerful argument.
      1. Украинец
        Украинец 16 September 2013 01: 13 New
        -2
        .... Just a little rusty ... and so .... wow ... th ...
    4. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 13 September 2013 21: 22 New
      +9
      Или сделали вид, что затягивали время. Что такое три часа для перехода, который будет длится много дней? А Украина всегда отличалась стремлением сесть одной попой на два органа. Очевидно, что тут она не захотела ссорится с США, которые, возможно, попросили задержать корабли, но и не захотела обострять отношения с Россией, от которой она зависит гораздо сильнее. чем от Штатов. Вот и сделала вид что "задержала".
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 14 September 2013 01: 00 New
        +9
        Вот поэтому мы (все мы) и трепыхаемся с господством американцев на море, слабенькой экономикой (без замкнутого цикла), поэтому и ездим отдыхать за три девять земель а не к себе. Потому что ругаемся, а за что, неужели стоит делить Крым, ведь он чей-то только на бумаге, а границы зачем, закрываться от Белоруссии или Украины или России? Какая же это гадость, собачиться из-за ерунды, тем более кто пользуется по настоящему газом или Крымом - властьпридержащие, а уж точно не мы. Эти споры - доказательство того что мы еще очень слабы. Неужели нам милее стала зазнавшаяся старая Европа или хитрый Китай? Тьфу, да никакой флот и никакой евросоюз не спасут если кусаться с родными. С себя нужно начинать поднимать Родину. Мне очень жаль если кто-то из своих хочет отгородится "Моя хата с краю, ничего не знаю" и главное, я не понимаю зачем? А иногда складывается такое впечатление, что политики дети: "вроде и верно говорят, но я же самостоятельный, буду делать по своему, хоть и не правильно".
      2. Украинец
        Украинец 16 September 2013 01: 26 New
        -3
        You don’t only have to talk about the whole of Ukraine here .... Do you like to sit on two organs? ... So sit ..
    5. sub307
      sub307 14 September 2013 19: 56 New
      0
      Да, последний корабль из "красивой" серии. ОН, что ли был В Сплите вместе с ПЛ Б-307 в декабре 1983г.? Вроде он.
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 September 2013 07: 25 New
    10
    Quote: xetai9977
    Let's be realistic, this is called a flag show.

    И достаточно действенной демонстрацией, согласитесь,не потому- ли корабли ВМФ Англии предпочли "свалить" по-тихой.Кроме того пролетающие в непосредственной близости наших кораблей ракеты можно и посбивать. hi
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 13 September 2013 07: 50 New
      10
      навряд ли британские корабли испугались наш флот. Просто голосование в Англии "против" прошло насчет Сирии, вот они и не стали тратить силы и финансы на присутствие флота в этом регионе. Все равно он ничего делать не будет
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 September 2013 07: 59 New
        12
        I completely agree with Dangerous. The British Parliament has already banned the participation in the war. So why should they spend money? Every day the fleet spends a certain amount of money. Crisis on the nose. And besides, they are members of NATO, why would they be afraid?
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 13 September 2013 08: 39 New
          18
          Но почему-то в Ливии где не было кораблей России те же Хренцузы и Мелкобриты так красиво бомбили "неправильного" Каддафи... Они я думаю ему мстили за сбитый в 80-х британский лайнер и еще за другие разные штучки 80-х - мелкая месть как раз в их стиле !!!

          And now, for some reason, the parliament didn’t allow it - and the last time they didn’t ask the parliament especially ... Nah - they smell Brita that this time they will not give a freebie - so they decided to sit out on their foggy Albion ...
          1. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 13 September 2013 15: 01 New
            +7
            They, I think, took revenge on him for a British liner shot down in the 80s and for other different things of the 80s - petty revenge is just in their style !!!


            Каддафи много знал и об этом его сын "заикнулся", а французскому президенту это "очень не понравилось"(оплата выборов Саркози)
      2. bif
        bif 13 September 2013 15: 18 New
        +7
        I will not argue, because the result is one THEIR PRESENCE IS MINIMUM.
        But how do you like this version.
        "...То есть иллюзий на счет того, как отнесется к военным действиям Запада в Сирии Москва, ни у кого быть не может. Всем предельно ясно, что все, кто будет пытаться «взбить на дерьме пенку», её и «отведают». Как бы странно это не звучало, но первой может достаться Великобритании. Здесь Путину и пальцем шевельнуть не придется. Достаточно просто ничего не делать. Как мы все помним, у британских бизнесменов есть большие аппетиты на Россию и, в связи с этим, британцы даже «унизились» до того, что практически спустили на тормозах дело Литвиненко. Тут же интернет замордовал Британию за то, что она легла под «кровавую» Россию.

        Now the widow of Litvinenko also knows that Putin is the kind of person who can change the brains of the British Prime Minister and throw the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Her Royal Highness like a banana skin. This is exactly what happened with David Miliband. Now Britain has just begun to establish the interests of its business in Russia. If Putin decides that British businessmen deserve it, he will do something to restore partnerships, but if Britain goes too far, then see what is said above: “Putin will not have to move a finger” ... http : //contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3319-ot-skoree-net-ch
        em-da-nazad-k-vryad-li
      3. pri3rak
        pri3rak 13 September 2013 15: 36 New
        0
        Come on? But it did not stop sending the Syrian opposition 20 million pounds.
    2. demeen1
      demeen1 13 September 2013 08: 01 New
      +2
      Let's hope that this does not happen, but remains only a demonstration of the flag
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 13 September 2013 09: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      And quite an effective demonstration

      "На данный момент постоянное оперативное соединение ВМФ России в Средиземном море включает большие десантные корабли «Пересвет», «Адмирал Невельской», «Минск», «Новочеркасск», «Александр Шабалин», большой противолодочный корабль «Адмирал Пантелеев» и сторожевой корабль «Неустрашимый». В восточную часть моря также следуют гвардейский ракетный крейсер «Москва» (10 сентября прошел пролив Гибралтар) и большой десантный корабль «Николай Фильченков», который 11 сентября вышел из Новороссийска. Группировку начали усиливать после заявлений руководства США о возможном военном вмешательстве в конфликт в Сирии (это, впрочем, не значит что российские корабли будут находиться у побережья Сирии или в ее портах)"
      http://www.versii.com/news/286776/
  5. Ivan79
    Ivan79 13 September 2013 07: 32 New
    14
    The use of large landing ships as a transport of certain goods needed by the Syrian army does not currently have official confirmation.

    Ну вот и пусть себе гадают. Кто его знает что там? Может запасные ракеты для "панциря", может
    S-300 components, maybe equipment for the integration of Syrian air defense and our radars on ships ...
    Чем больше у американцев неведения, тем больше времени у них подумать: "а нужно ли нам всё это...?"
  6. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 13 September 2013 07: 32 New
    13
    The Russian ships in the eastern part of the Mediterranean, using their radar systems, are able to create a continuous surveillance zone covering both the territory of Syria and the nearby waters. This will allow the Russian military to observe the movements of NATO ships, track missile launches and strike aircraft sorties. At the same time, Russian sailors can be not only silent observers, but also informants. The information received can be transmitted to the relevant authorities of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and in addition, to the Syrian headquarters. This may be the help promised by the Russian leadership.

    When the amers nevertheless suppress Syria's radar systems, our ships will be these systems. It’s also interesting why they brought our yummy one to treat the adversary.
    1. the polar
      the polar 13 September 2013 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: FC Skiff

      When the amers nevertheless suppress Syria's radar systems, our ships will be these systems. It’s also interesting why they brought our yummy one to treat the adversary.

      Can explain how this is technically possible, and how it will be politically interpreted
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 September 2013 08: 43 New
        +9
        Quote: Polar
        Can explain how it is technically possible

        What's the problem?
        Quote: Polar
        and how it will be politically interpreted

        USA did exactly the same in 08.08.08
      2. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 13 September 2013 21: 27 New
        0
        Ха - причем тут политика - когда последние 20 лет правит в мире "голая" сила.
      3. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 13 September 2013 22: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Polar

        Can explain how this is technically possible, and how it will be politically interpreted

        В идеале нужен аналог системы "Link-16" у нас и сирийцев. Сомневаюсь, что таковой имеется. Скорее всего, информация с кораблей поступает в наше посольство (напрямую или через Москву), а уже оттуда на ГКП ПВО Сирии. Как вариант. Хотелось бы отметить, что наряду с РЛС, стационарные КП будут уничтожаться в первую очередь и доведение воздушной обстановки до уцелевших дивизионов может значительно затрудниться. За политический аспект не знаю, но думаю, что удара по нашему посольству не будет.
    2. eplewke
      eplewke 13 September 2013 09: 47 New
      0
      It’s not like they’re driving potatoes ...
      1. rainufa
        rainufa 13 September 2013 17: 08 New
        0
        Maybe the potatoes too ...
        1. alexng
          alexng 18 September 2013 08: 27 New
          0
          Quote: rainufa
          Maybe the potatoes too ...


          And each was wrapped in a steel shell ...
  7. Dangerous
    Dangerous 13 September 2013 07: 47 New
    +3
    Карта в начале статьи неполная - натовские подлодки там есть, но с "?" количеством, а наших нет. Мне кажется, автор этой карты недооценивает нас, полюбому 1-2 АПЛ в Средиземном море присутствуют
    1. the polar
      the polar 13 September 2013 07: 55 New
      -7
      Quote: Dangerous
      the author of this map underestimates us, like the 1-2 submarines in the Mediterranean Sea are present

      What for? What task will they perform?
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 13 September 2013 09: 49 New
        +3
        Yes, I even think that not one, but two, but more. Who will the submarines indicate on the public map ?? This is classified information. That's why they are submarines, so that they secretly go. This is a strategic fleet!
    2. vlad.svargin
      vlad.svargin 13 September 2013 15: 22 New
      0
      It seems to me that the author of this map underestimates us, like 1-2 nuclear submarines in the Mediterranean

      Было бы неприятным сюрпризом для ВМС США если среди них оказался РПК проекта 949А(тип"Антей")
      1. rainufa
        rainufa 13 September 2013 17: 48 New
        +2
        Submarines of Antey Project 949A (according to NATO classification - Oscar-II) - a series of Soviet and Russian nuclear submarines (SSGN), armed with P-700 Granite cruise missiles and designed to destroy aircraft carrier strike formations. The project is a modification of 949 "Granite".

        Attack on Nimitz (damage of $ 5 billion)? [2]

        At the same time, aircraft carriers will not be able to actively maintain a database due to the S-300 factor when operating the SAR air defense system, and being in Syria is a risk since YAHONTS, even if we imagine them, supposedly destroyed the valiant Tsakals, then the coddled BDKs have long made up for them.
        They want to leave with axes, here our armor will penetrate the penetration probability of 0.8-0.9, each ax costs $ 1.5 million and they will be needed according to some estimates of 200-300 missiles.

        With a flick of the wrist, aggression turns, aggression turns into a Bummer.

        It remains to cleanse the country of militants who want to establish a caliphate in Russia.
    3. Украинец
      Украинец 16 September 2013 01: 24 New
      -1
      ... Well, let them be ... is it easier for you?
  8. Dangerous
    Dangerous 13 September 2013 07: 54 New
    +2
    MilaPhone RU  Today, 07:20
    "Ещё один корабль присоединился.
    Сторожевой корабль Черноморского флота РФ "Сметливый" вышел в четверг 12.09.13 из Севастополя в Средиземное море."

    Ship history:
    The laying of the ship took place on July 15, 1966 at the shipyard named after 61 Communards in Nikolaev. June 15, 1968 the ship was added to the lists of ships of the Navy of the USSR. August 26, 1967 launched; September 25, 1969 went into operation. 21.10.1969 was included in the Black Sea Fleet
    Tryndets comrades, could not find a ship for the newer ???
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 13 September 2013 08: 03 New
      16
      Да "Комсомольцы Украины» они такие - старые. wink
      In 1990-1995, a large modernization was carried out at the "Shrewd" BOD. Instead of a stern artillery mount and helipad, a MNK-300 non-acoustic submarine detection complex was installed with a 300-meter towed antenna that receives the thermal, radiation and noise signal of the submarine. In addition, two 1000-container launchers of anti-ship missiles “Uranus” (a close analogue of the American Harpoon missiles) were installed at the site of the RBU-4 bombers, jammers-directors PK-10 and PK-16 were placed in the pilothouse area, several new radars and PCRK control system, 5 × 533 mm torpedo tubes replaced by 7 × 406 mm. The total displacement of the ship reached 4900 tons. In 2006, a scheduled repair was completed.
      Теперь он сторожевой корабль по российской квалификации.По западной - "Поющий фрегат" smile and not only because of the characteristic “singing” of powerful gas turbines, but also for the respectable fighting qualities of the ships.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 13 September 2013 08: 23 New
        +5
        "Сметливый"
      2. Dangerous
        Dangerous 13 September 2013 08: 52 New
        +4
        Можно как угодно красиво обозвать корабль ( ласкает слух название "поющий фрегат"), но факт остается фактом - Россия отправила в горячую точку корабль, которому идет уже 5-й десяток лет. Понятно, что модернизировали, но в глазах запада это выглядит просто ущербно. Вспоминаю статью здесь, про авианосец Энтерпрайз, как только над ним не глумились из-за его возраста! В итоге сами же такое старье отправляем. Правда не авианосец, а сторожевик...
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          1. Mikola
            Mikola 13 September 2013 12: 09 New
            -15
            may flare up erudition and hit the TTX of this frigate patrolman, as you yourself are excited. Or is self-criticism not available to you?)
            1. bif
              bif 13 September 2013 21: 32 New
              +3
              may flare erudition and hit TTX вашего украинского флота...в одном "пенсионере" Сметливом боевой мощи больше...
            2. aleshka
              aleshka 14 September 2013 07: 04 New
              +3
              but I heard the Ukrainian fleet generally floats in rubber Ufimki !!!
        2. bif
          bif 13 September 2013 21: 22 New
          +7
          Russia sent a ship to the hot spot, which is already 5-th decade Не сочтите за претензиу, но в Красном море для устрашения Сирии "держится на плаву" старичек НИМИЦ с "дружиной". CVN-68 «Нимиц» заложен 22.06.1968, спущен на воду 13.05.1972 и ничего никто не вякает...может напрасно.
  9. xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 September 2013 08: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    missiles flying in the immediate vicinity of our ships can also be beaten.

    So are you sure that Russian ships will shoot down NATO missiles? It’s good that you are not the president, otherwise the whole planet would have to spend the rest of the days in bomb shelters.
  10. left-wing
    left-wing 13 September 2013 08: 05 New
    +4
    To shoot down, they will shoot down missiles in case of conflict. It was not in vain that Russia conducted exercises there, the purpose of which was to work out the interception of missiles.
  11. Ah1ll
    Ah1ll 13 September 2013 08: 09 New
    +1
    But when launching rockets with amers, ours cannot bring them down? Well, like, they suddenly thought we weren’t going to drink tea))
    1. alone
      alone 13 September 2013 22: 41 New
      +4
      a brick doesn’t fall on a head just like that)) so there are no accidents. especially in such cases
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 September 2013 08: 12 New
    10
    They covered Syria with warships! Especially the BDK and no one knows what is inside of them .. The time goes by the bearded is getting smaller .. Hold on Assad!
  13. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 September 2013 08: 18 New
    +7
    Quote: Milafon
    Another ship joined.
    Сторожевой корабль Черноморского флота РФ "Сметливый" вышел в четверг 12.09.13 из Севастополя в Средиземное море. Перед этим украинская таможня задержала его более , чем на три часа.Таможенники заново сформировали списки всего экипажа, проверили документы ,задали много вопросов.Как будто специально затягивали время.РОСБАЛТ.

    not the same! start to dance to the west! then GEORGIA is helping to rearm against us. then they’re crap! Selling little souls from the leaders of UKRAINE! a pity the mustache equals a pendell to give them GEYROP
    1. Mikola
      Mikola 13 September 2013 12: 10 New
      -24
      Повторюсь.странные вы, хотите вести торговую войну, не выполнять подписанные договора и не иметь ответных пакостей. В Украине свои "мировые" проблемы, получите и рощпишитесь. Да и много мировых проблем Россия на ровном месте создает сама. Думаете режим Асада долго продержится?) Но Россия потратит на этот режим немало денег, хотя результат наперед известный. И еще геи Европы также против евро интеграции Украины, вы с ними согласовали позицию?))))
      1. pri3rak
        pri3rak 13 September 2013 15: 46 New
        +1
        Blessed is he who believes.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 13 September 2013 21: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: Mikola
        Yes, and many of the world's problems Russia creates out of the blue itself.

        The main and main problem of Russia in relation to the West is the resource-rich territory to which the West reveals its bread, all other problems are a consequence of this.
      3. Zopuhhh
        Zopuhhh 17 September 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Mikola
        e fulfill signed contracts

        I understand correctly that you are now talking about gas shortages by Little Russia?
  14. Ah1ll
    Ah1ll 13 September 2013 08: 36 New
    +2
    BDK still carries goods under the contract))
  15. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 13 September 2013 08: 38 New
    10
    вот это все и заставляет американцев яростно чесать репу...не привыкли они так... нечестно, по их мнению "создавать дисбаланс в регионе", понимаешь... привыкли бомбить без потерь беззащитных...
  16. S-200
    S-200 13 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    Russian ships located in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, using their radar systems, are able to create a continuous observation zone covering both the territory of Syria and the nearby water areas
    rather, the water area adjacent to Syria and part of the territory at certain heights and directions ... But this is already very good for warning!
  17. NKVD
    NKVD 13 September 2013 09: 18 New
    +7
    Да сбивать они будут крылатые ракеты если уж американцы на удар решатся,и помехи будут в радиодиапазоне ставить.Это оптимальный вариант помощи Сирии."Бить не буду но и битья не допущу"
    1. papik09
      papik09 13 September 2013 14: 59 New
      +3
      "А мне хоть и 3 месяца от роду, НО - В ДЮНДЕЛЬ ДАМ И АППЕТИТ ПРОПЕДЕТ". Сказал медвеженок, сидящий в яме с 2-годовалой лисой и 5-летним волком. laughing
    2. Украинец
      Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 15 New
      -3
      ... Under the bottom, a couple of three special tools were still quietly attached in Sevastopol ... neat holes will come out .... and to the bottom ...
  18. Altona
    Altona 13 September 2013 09: 19 New
    +4
    Есть сомнение, что наш флот может подвергнуться так называемой "случайной атаке" как было в Сербии, в Белграде...Ракета влетела в китайское посольство не "случайно", а чтобы накрыть источник передачи разведданных...Китайцы делились с сербами инфой со своих спутников и давали им разного рода оперативную информацию...
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 13 September 2013 09: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Altona
      Ракета влетела в китайское посольство не "случайно", а чтобы накрыть источник передачи разведданных..
      Тогда янки оправдывались тем, что это была ошибка из-за старых данных по зданиям. С кораблями такая "ошибка" уже вряд ли прокатит, тем более, что корабль не один, и у него, в отличие от здания посольства, есть возможность использовать средства ПВО. Другой вопрос, что, действительно, будет делать наше соединение, если один из кораблей подвергнется атаке, какой бы там "ошибкой" её ни объясняли американцы.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 14 September 2013 02: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Per se.
        Другой вопрос, что, действительно, будет делать наше соединение, если один из кораблей подвергнется атаке, какой бы там "ошибкой" её ни объясняли американцы.

        And this is still a mystery. The flotilla commander, according to anyone, has an envelope in the safe for possible scenarios.
  19. 0255
    0255 13 September 2013 09: 23 New
    0
    The use of large amphibious ships as a transport of certain goods required by the Syrian army, at the moment has no official confirmation. A number of facts may serve as an indirect confirmation of this assumption, but the Russian leadership has not yet disclosed the true reasons for the transfer of a large number of BDK to the area of ​​possible conflict.

    The BDK is sent for two reasons - either the Syrians are finally providing military assistance, or these are the last Russian ships that can still sail. But it pleases that the Americans did not attack Syria on September 9th.
    1. King
      King 13 September 2013 09: 54 New
      15
      they didn’t even think of attacking, they were simply pushing the price because they understand that in Syria they are rapidly losing initiative and the statement about the attack simply attracts attention - they say, look, the USA still has something in the world! but in reality the world is floating out of their fins and flowing smoothly into the hands of Russia in alliance with China. It is worth recalling the rotten instigators - the United Kingdom, which succumbed to the Yankees and then skillfully leaked them proctically alone and emerged dry from the water, only Oland did not understand the trend and continues to bend in front of the United States. the United States itself is not happy that they have practically declared war on Syria. But then Putin came to the rescue with his initiative on chemical weapons, which at least practically pulled the states out of the shit but skillfully lowered them to their knees and smeared them with gras.
      1. Bekzat
        Bekzat 13 September 2013 12: 16 New
        +3
        Pretty tough but correct comment, + Dear !!!
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 13 September 2013 10: 02 New
      14
      Quote: 0255
      The BDK is sent for two reasons - either the Syrians are finally providing military assistance, or these are the last Russian ships that can still sail.
      Надо тогда "Викрамадитью" на ходовые испытания не в Белое море посылать, а в Средиземное, пока авианосец не передали индусам в ноябре этого года. И, по полной программе "тестировать" работу радаров, взлёты и посадки палубной авиации... Индусам будет польза, и нам, напоследок.
      1. moremansf
        moremansf 13 September 2013 10: 29 New
        +2
        It would be interesting....
    3. Lockbase170
      Lockbase170 14 September 2013 10: 13 New
      0
      Of the two reasons mentioned, one is completely wrong .. Lack of information - it affects speculation, and this is fundamentally impossible to do.
  20. darksoul
    darksoul 13 September 2013 09: 46 New
    12
    our fellows, Moscow alone 121 what is it worth, it would be ours if our mind had enough to take her sister from Ukraine, bring Ustinov to mind as soon as possible, and then think over 1144, such ships need to be restored, cutting them is just a crime, Russia will not allow itself already to build such giants, it is necessary to use what wiser ancestors left us
    1. Nick888
      Nick888 13 September 2013 12: 24 New
      +4
      Fortunately, all 4 will undergo modernization, full Nakhimov, Lazarev and Ushakov on an abridged plan. At the expense of Peter, I know that he will be the last, but I did not find any information on what plan he will go.
  21. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 September 2013 09: 53 New
    10
    Yes, everything is so and it’s not bad, especially against the background of the last couple of decades.
    BUT!
    All this can easily turn into a steam that flies out into a whistle if inside Russia there is no such concentration in the form of the development of industry, the army and merciless liberation from Russophobic liberalism (cleansing and deliberation).
    1. King
      King 13 September 2013 10: 07 New
      +5
      I agree it is necessary to ban liberalism in Russia; in Egypt, it was enough of a mind to ban Muslim brothers, and we are worse !?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 13 September 2013 13: 13 New
        +7
        I agree it is necessary to ban liberalism in Russia; in Egypt, it was enough of a mind to ban Muslim brothers, and we are worse !?

        It is not enough to ban it; it must be eradicated from power, from education, from the economy. Of course, no one suggests destroying the liberals themselves.
        We are no worse than the Egyptians, we want to be deceived and therefore deceived.
        BUT!
        Once you have to see clearly ... soldier
  22. chushoj
    chushoj 13 September 2013 10: 09 New
    +1
    Неплохой обзор. Думаю, что корабли будут не только передавать информацию в Сирию о замеченных ракетах. Есть большие сомнения, что передача информации в "соответствующие органы" обороны, будет приоритетной. У меня вызывает главное беспокойство то, что большинство решений будут самостоятельными.
  23. Yankuz
    Yankuz 13 September 2013 10: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: Nitarius
    Quote: Milafon
    Another ship joined.
    Сторожевой корабль Черноморского флота РФ "Сметливый" вышел в четверг 12.09.13 из Севастополя в Средиземное море. Перед этим украинская таможня задержала его более , чем на три часа.Таможенники заново сформировали списки всего экипажа, проверили документы ,задали много вопросов.Как будто специально затягивали время.РОСБАЛТ.

    not the same! start to dance to the west! then GEORGIA is helping to rearm against us. then they’re crap! Selling little souls from the leaders of UKRAINE! a pity the mustache equals a pendell to give them GEYROP

    Ну реально просто уже мешаются под ногами своим "участием" в большой политике.
  24. moremansf
    moremansf 13 September 2013 10: 33 New
    +2
    At the end of 2012, the Navy began to build up forces in the Mediterranean. From May 1, 2013, a special control group of ships was formed to coordinate the actions of ships.

    В настоящее время в Средиземном море несут дежурство большие десантные корабли "Пересвет", "Адмирал Невельской", "Минск", "Новочеркасск", "Александр Шабалин", большой противолодочный корабль "Адмирал Пантелеев" и сторожевой корабль "Неустрашимый", вскоре к ним присоединятся гвардейский ракетный крейсер "Москва", сторожевой корабль "Сметливый" и большой десантный корабль "Николай Фильченков".

    В. Чирков отметил, что в этом регионе перед ВМФ стоят "предельно ясные задачи" — избежать малейшей угрозы границам и безопасности государства. "Это практика всех флотов мира, - находиться там, где возрастает уровень напряженности", - заявил адмирал.
  25. moremansf
    moremansf 13 September 2013 10: 38 New
    +6
    The presence of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean shows that the Russian Federation is paying serious attention to the situation around Syria, said Alexei Pushkov, head of the international committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

    "Военно-морской флот России в Средиземном море своим присутствием показывает, что мы уделяем очень серьезное внимание этой ситуации", — сказал он.

    Пушков добавил, что "она (ситуация) воспринимается как ключевая проблема мировой политики, что Россия наблюдает за развитием событий, наблюдает из непосредственной близости и не намерена смиряться с военной логикой решения этого конфликта".

    Во вторник высокопоставленный представитель ВМФ РФ сообщил РИА Новости, что сторожевой корабль Черноморского флота "Сметливый" выйдет из Севастополя и направится к берегам Сирии 12 сентября. Представитель ВМФ напомнил, что 17 сентября в район восточного Средиземноморья прибудет ракетный крейсер "Москва", а 29 сентября в район сирийского побережья прибудут два корабля ЧФ: ракетный катер "Ивановец" и малый ракетный корабль "Штиль". По его данным, в пятницу отряд кораблей, включающий БДК "Новочеркасск" (ЧФ) и "Минск" (Балтийский флот), а также разведывательный корабль "Приазовье" (ЧФ), прошел Дарданеллы и поступил в распоряжение командования средиземноморской эскадры.
  26. xomaNN
    xomaNN 13 September 2013 11: 02 New
    +5
    A few decades ago, the presence then in the ports of Egypt and Libya (not in the last war winked )советских кораблей здорово напрягало агрессоров. Опаска "зацепить" по ошибке эти корабли ВМФ СССР охраняла эти места от ударов.Теперь , надеюсь, как "живой щит" их использовать не будут, но уж системой ДРЛО для Сирии как минимум послужат
  27. vthrehbq
    vthrehbq 13 September 2013 11: 05 New
    +6
    The most likely scenario is the creation by our ships' radars of illumination of all possible targets. all means of destruction of air defense are aimed primarily at the destruction of radar and the Americans will try to destroy them in the event of an impact .. but if the Syrian air defense do not turn on the radars and work in a passive mode, receiving information from our ships .. it will be practically impossible to destroy them
    1. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 13 September 2013 15: 42 New
      +1
      In order for Syrian air defense to receive information from our ships in real time, it is necessary to integrate them (ships) into a single control network, and this requires a lot of time, if at all possible. Communication is our weak point, and even the interaction between dissimilar forces is lame even more. In many comments I read about jamming the damned bourgeoisie in the event of a rocket attack. It may turn out that the Americans are a hitch to the Americans, but if they begin to put pressure on us in response to the radar and communications, it won’t be enough.
  28. kostya_a
    kostya_a 13 September 2013 11: 11 New
    +4
    Yes, everything is clear, in the BDK there are weapons systems, the same Yakhonts, missiles for air defense, etc. Surely there are Marines for order. It is ridiculous to take out the BDK of Russian citizens. There were 170 of them before the war, now half! This is how much BDK is needed ???? even if to the eyeballs it is a maximum of 000 people, it’s like herrings in a barrel. The reconnaissance ship "Priazovye" is there for carrying out electronic intelligence, it can track all the pre-launch preparations, launches and trajectories. Unique ship. Plus early warning system radar Voronezh. And RK Moscow + boats + patrol, it’s so ... so that Americans do not freeze stupid things. Yet the nuclear submarines do not know how many are there that are likely to carry anti-missile missiles. Recently, there was a missile launch, supposedly Israel was testing its missile defense systems, well, a lie, after all! They tried to detect Syrian secretive air defense. The Syrians did not turn on their radar, because the Sea of ​​Azov worked and transmitted the trajectory.
    1. xtur
      xtur 13 September 2013 11: 41 New
      +3
      >. Разведывательный корабль «Приазовье» там для несения радиоэлектронной разведки, он может прослеидить все предпусковые приготовления, пуски и траектории. Уникальный корабль. Plus early warning system radar Voronezh.

      Is this an overseas station on it? Or did you mean stationary, in Russia?
      А могут ли эти "Воронежы" служить для целеуказания ? Если могут, то в Средиземном море никаких самолётов ДРЛО не надо . Так что ли , получается
      1. kostya_a
        kostya_a 13 September 2013 13: 39 New
        +5
        Well, I'm not too strong in her performance characteristics, they are classified, but apparently she marks missile launches. And judging by the late reaction of the USA and Israel, it was a surprise for them!
    2. papik09
      papik09 13 September 2013 15: 05 New
      +8
      "Приазовье", кроме всего прочего, кстати, может еще и заблокировать работу радиоэлектроники..... laughing and, on the go, there will be little, sir ....
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 18 September 2013 20: 33 New
        0
        Quote: papik09
        "Приазовье", кроме всего прочего, кстати, может еще и заблокировать работу радиоэлектроники

        And it can get a missile pointing at a source of interference. Not so simple, unfortunately.
    3. Lockbase170
      Lockbase170 15 September 2013 20: 39 New
      +1
      Сразу скажу: забудьте про морпехов! Там 80% срочники! А их ни в жисть не пустят в"мясо".. Проходили.. А вот то что там могут быть "термометры" из ВДВ, вполне возможно.. Даже уверен это спецы из 45 го и 31й одшбр..
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 15 September 2013 21: 00 New
        0
        Сразу скажу: забудьте про морпехов! Там 80% срочники! А их ни в жисть не пустят в"мясо".. Проходили.. А вот то что там могут быть "термометры" из ВДВ, вполне возможно.. Даже уверен это спецы из 45 го и 31й одшбр..



        The indicated 45 and 31 oddbrs did not get rid of conscripts, they did not completely transfer to the contract.
  29. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 13 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +4
    Russian ships possess not only powerful radar equipment, which will create a continuous radar field in the region, but also reconnaissance equipment. In such a situation, it will be possible to track any provocation by potential aggressors. And they are capable of it. Remember the provocations with the launch of missiles in the direction of Syria. In the case of missile attacks on Syria, air defense ships can be used to repel these attacks.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 13 September 2013 14: 48 New
      0
      How is the gearbox for the S-300? If there was such a connection.
  30. kostya_a
    kostya_a 13 September 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    The Yankees themselves are not happy that they climbed there, the allies threw them. They did not create a normal grouping. And five destroyers of the Arly-Burke type + 3 aircraft carriers + 1 submarine of the Ohio type are a maximum of 500 axes. This is provided that the destroyers are in shock equipment, but judging by the fact that they came spontaneously, this is unlikely, which means there are even less axes. Well, even if it’s 500, well, this is not enough to deliver a direct hit on key objects. Half of the axes in the worst case are hit down. Well, judging by the latest news, the Yanui give the back!
  31. Neo1982
    Neo1982 13 September 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    why why
    in which case the coordinates of the targets will be given, and the Syrians only have time to press the button on the C300
  32. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 September 2013 11: 44 New
    +4
    This will allow the Russian military to monitor the movements of NATO ships, track missile launches and attacks of attack aircraft. At the same time, Russian sailors can be not only silent observers, but also informants. The information received can be transmitted to the relevant bodies of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and also to the Syrian headquarters. This may be the help promised by the Russian leadership.


    Weaned from our excursions, combed our hair, twitched. It is one thing to launch darts with impunity, another when they are watching, observing, recording, transmitting, etc.
    From that, they, the mericatos, and nervousness. It is bad for them, poor fellow, in the neighborhood with our Fleet.
  33. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 September 2013 11: 47 New
    +4
    По моему в статье чётко написано. Боевые корабли ВМФ России прикрывают транспортные операции по поставке всякого необходимого Асаду, в случае чего обратно повезут людей. Кроме того корабли прикрывают ПЛ и разведывательный корабль, участвуют в освещении обстановки. "Москва" обеспечивает ПВО соединения. В случае начала обстрела они не станут цепью вдоль побережья с целью сбивания ракет. Корабли будут сосредоточены в стороне, на дальности применения своего ударного оружия и будут готовы сбивать "случайно залетевшие" к ним гостинцы.
    1. S-200
      S-200 13 September 2013 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: chunga-changa
      In my opinion, the article clearly says

      Вот на заборах порой тоже весьма чётко шаловливой детской рукой написано...слово "XY?" fellow
      but the experienced eye will immediately understand that it is either reinforced concrete or wood ... wassat
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 13 September 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        God, yes you need to write an article about this urgently, such deep knowledge, so much experience.
      2. papik09
        papik09 13 September 2013 15: 08 New
        0
        This is not a fence, but on the door of a barn. laughing And when you open the door, and there ..... firewood is wassat
  34. Sergeant
    Sergeant 13 September 2013 11: 47 New
    0
    Quote: xetai9977
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    missiles flying in the immediate vicinity of our ships can also be beaten.

    So are you sure that the ships of the Russian Federation will shoot down NATO missiles? ...


    Сомневаюсь, что они вообще полетят через "головы" наших моряков.
    Амеры уж не настолько тыпые, чтобы подбрасывать "тарелочки" стоимиотью в 1,5 млн. долларов для потехи российских моряков. Но и это не всё: сколько ракет могут (смогут) сбить корабли РФ? Сделает ли это "погоду" в регионе? Посмотрите на карту: Пусковые установки амеров почти со ВСЕХ сторон!
    Кто нибудь знает сколько стоит (для нас) одна ракета ПВО, способная сбивать "топоры"? С учётом экономик РФ и США не слишком ли дорого (для нас) обойдётся такой "тир"? В Сирию и так "бабла" вбухали, наверно, мало не покажется!
    Статье "плюс", конечно. :))
  35. Mikola
    Mikola 13 September 2013 11: 49 New
    10
    The Syrian crisis gives Russia one lesson - the fact that large surface ships are needed and removes the question whether Russia needs aircraft carriers.
    1. bif
      bif 13 September 2013 15: 40 New
      +1
      Если "Антея" не видно, это не значит, что его нет...а если судить по вашей безголовой логике, то чтобы показать эффективность надо было "Курску" отработать весь боезапас по 6 флоту в далеком 1999г у берегов Югославии.
      1. Украинец
        Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 55 New
        -1
        ...Почему бы нет? ...Но,....все знают про " Курск"....
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 16 September 2013 00: 57 New
          0
          You would be ashamed to dance on the bones of the dead! I went to a branch where there is nobody and let's choke with bile!
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 16 September 2013 01: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            You would be ashamed to dance on the bones of the dead! I went to a branch where there is nobody and let's choke with bile!

            Yes, forget it on this troll ....
            1. Украинец
              Украинец 16 September 2013 02: 09 New
              -1
              ... said the troll ...
  36. kostya_a
    kostya_a 13 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: aszzz888
    From that, they, the mericatos, and nervousness. It is bad for them, poor fellow, in the neighborhood with our Fleet.

    I would also not sit quietly when there are 16 P-1000 Vulcan missiles nearby))))
    1. Mikola
      Mikola 13 September 2013 12: 03 New
      +3
      не смешитесь, автор статьи правильно указал, что росийский флот выполняет оборонительные функции. А "они" явно наступательные. Так что страха у них нет. Надо уважать противника иначе это путь к поражению.
    2. papik09
      papik09 13 September 2013 15: 10 New
      0
      ....или "Базальт"....
    3. Украинец
      Украинец 16 September 2013 01: 00 New
      -2
      ...И что " пульнут"?....Тогда это третья мировая...минимум...жаль " Москву" ...ее быстро не станет...
  37. Ukraine
    Ukraine 13 September 2013 12: 44 New
    +8
    As if they did not criticize the Russian Navy, but the fear of gay Amers is on the face. Valdemar is not Borya. Respect and respect.
    1. Украинец
      Украинец 16 September 2013 00: 58 New
      -2
      ... Don’t give me a gop ... a fellow countryman ... everything is ahead .... bought popcorn? ... sit down comfortably ...
  38. kostya_a
    kostya_a 13 September 2013 12: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Mikola
    не смешитесь, автор статьи правильно указал, что росийский флот выполняет оборонительные функции. А "они" явно наступательные. Так что страха у них нет. Надо уважать противника иначе это путь к поражению.

    I do not agree with this statement. The US group is very small for some sort of offensive action. If, by analogy, we recall Iraq, there were so many destroyers, landing transports, docks of the San Antonio type. And here's how to play on the nerves. If something serious was the Syrian army did not continue WHO! IMHO !!!
    1. maxcor1974
      maxcor1974 13 September 2013 13: 25 New
      +4
      There are no transports, as the Americans did not initially plan a ground operation, and even if they did, then allies of the United States surround Syria from all sides, the territory of which they use as a bridgehead to strike. However, the current situation, taking into account public opinion in the West, suggests that Obama does his best to get out of this situation and not lose face. He clearly loses the information battle, therefore, if the military action is unsuccessfully developing, he can rally impeachment, and even if the image of the peacemaker is successful, he will dry up on his tanned face. So I think the Yankees will back down, although they will try to recoup in the diplomatic ring.
      1. kostya_a
        kostya_a 13 September 2013 13: 50 New
        +3
        And here it is just not so. Although Turkey screams that it is ready for war, it is not torn. They have Iran under their noses. It’s most likely that Erdogan’s grandmother Katarski is working out + there are also Kurds from Syria and there are still Kurds in Turkey. Iraq, Libya, Egypt refused to give airspace, England banned the use of its air bases, what remains ?? 2 aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean + 1 in Red (moreover, during the Red Campaign it’s not a game, airplanes fly far through Israel) + France’s air base, if I'm not mistaken in Saudi Arabia. It is too little. Another fact, NATO has never encountered modern Russian-made air defense systems. NIRAZU. And we were confronted in the war with Georgia, everyone means how it ended!
        1. maxcor1974
          maxcor1974 13 September 2013 13: 59 New
          +2
          But after all, Jordan still remains with Israel, this is a blow from two sides. Moreover, Israel can deny until the very end preparations for a military action, and then strike at the last moment. Well, modern air defense, this is really the issue that makes the cerebellum to the states and co. Therefore, they probably have not yet hit ...
          1. kostya_a
            kostya_a 13 September 2013 14: 29 New
            +1
            The funny thing is that the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Jordan, Abdullah Al-Nussur, also said that he would not provide his territory as a springboard for an attack on Syria. And Israel without just looking at Iran will not just act!
  39. goats denis
    goats denis 13 September 2013 13: 14 New
    -18
    The squadron was sent to evacuate Assad and his loyal people, as well as their families, and not for anything else.
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 13 September 2013 14: 21 New
      +4
      Suddenly ... and a lot of stupidity.
      no offense
      1. goats denis
        goats denis 13 September 2013 17: 46 New
        -8
        And you think, for what? or in the Kremlin they don’t realize that our fleet can only die heroically in case of war (the crews will heroically fight, but you will not last long against such an ARMADA), I don’t think landing troops, when everything starts all ports and the entire coastal zone will or captured, or shoot through. So there they already handed over Assad in the Kremlin, they only guaranteed him life and departure from the country. That's why our squadron is there.
        1. VDV 80-82
          VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 19: 47 New
          +2
          Is your fleet an Amer chtol? then absolutely agree
        2. Akhtuba73
          Akhtuba73 13 September 2013 23: 56 New
          +4
          goats denis
          I don’t argue and I won’t ... I only wish that you yourself would understand how deeply mistaken you are, speaking so insignificantly about your country.
        3. bomg.77
          bomg.77 14 September 2013 00: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Denis Goats
          And you think, for what? or in the Kremlin they don’t realize that our fleet can only die heroically in case of war (the crews will heroically fight, but you will not last long against such an ARMADA), I don’t think landing troops, when everything starts all ports and the entire coastal zone will or captured, or shoot through. So there they already handed over Assad in the Kremlin, they only guaranteed him life and departure from the country. That's why our squadron is there.

          Не ссыы!Как говорится " зубов боятся,в рот не давать" laughing laughing
        4. Lockbase170
          Lockbase170 14 September 2013 10: 15 New
          0
          the author is burning! Go escho! Finish at least school, analyst ....
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 September 2013 00: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Denis Kozlov
      The squadron was sent to evacuate Assad and his loyal people, as well as their families, and not for anything else.
      the squadron was sent to evacuate the American fleet. laughing* (suddenly war) laughing
  40. kostya_a
    kostya_a 13 September 2013 13: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Denis Kozlov
    The squadron was sent to evacuate Assad and his loyal people, as well as their families, and not for anything else.

    Interesting opinion, but it makes no sense to drive so many BDKs!
    1. goats denis
      goats denis 13 September 2013 13: 29 New
      -8
      Apparently for the quantity, because as many ships as the USA do not have, they sent everything they could find
      1. kostya_a
        kostya_a 13 September 2013 13: 52 New
        +4
        To drive the BDK for count is ridiculous, they have no strike weapons. The Yankees would not pay attention to them.
        1. PARTISAN
          PARTISAN 13 September 2013 18: 59 New
          +2
          А возможно на каждом БДК имеются готовые для БД "Панцири", которые способны работать, находясь прямо на палубах...
          1. Lockbase170
            Lockbase170 14 September 2013 10: 19 New
            0
            No need to guess .. At the BDK everything is fine and fed well ... wink
      2. Lockbase170
        Lockbase170 14 September 2013 10: 18 New
        0
        laughing troll on ... stock up on popcorn ... laughing
  41. HF
    HF 13 September 2013 13: 29 New
    18
    Quote: Kibalchish
    ... I am not enthusiastic about the Assad regime, but the more he kills these bearded bastards, the easier it will be for us to live. ...

    I want to swear ... What is Assad’s regime? Syria, to all this crap, was a secular, multi-religious State! Since when is a legitimately elected President considered a dictator? Explain if this does not bother you. Thank you in advance for your reply.
    1. papik09
      papik09 13 September 2013 15: 15 New
      +2
      Yeah, wait for an answer ... I agree with you, sir. Syria is a completely self-sufficient and secular state. Also, SOVEREIGNTY. hi
    2. alone
      alone 13 September 2013 22: 44 New
      +1
      what please explain what do you mean by the word legitimacy? In general, how do you imagine legitimate elections?
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 13 September 2013 22: 48 New
        0
        Lonely, your opinion on Syria? What should be expected in September?
        1. alone
          alone 13 September 2013 23: 29 New
          +1
          Greetings Andrew! I expect the following. an increase in all kinds of provocations, which will undoubtedly benefit the West and the Americans.
          I recently read information that the Syrian military command creates tank ditches and reinforces checkpoints, turning them into fortified areas in the outskirts of Damascus. militants may launch an attack on Damascus or try to take Aleppo completely.
          but as for the fact that they can strike it is still possible. after all, the group is still in the area of ​​concentration and the ships have not been removed from there.
          1. atalef
            atalef 13 September 2013 23: 38 New
            0
            Quote: lonely
            I recently read information that the Syrian military command creates tank ditches and reinforces checkpoints, turning them into fortified areas in the outskirts of Damascus. militants may launch an attack on Damascus or try to take Aleppo completely.

            strange. But all in all 2 months ago, Assad stated. that until the complete defeat of the SSA there is a maximum of a month left. Well, a month has long passed, the second comes to an end. And here they are digging ditches.
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 14 September 2013 02: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            I recently read information that the Syrian military command creates tank ditches and reinforces checkpoints, turning them into fortified areas in the outskirts of Damascus. militants may launch an attack on Damascus or try to take Aleppo completely.

            They’ll do it right, if the Americans strike, then the militants will intensify sharply, and it’s better to prepare with the rhetoric of Turkey.
    3. bomg.77
      bomg.77 14 September 2013 00: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: KV
      . What is Assad’s regime? Si
      когда пишут и говорят "режим" Асада, значит это засланный ,просто яд вливает по капельки.более тонкий так сказать.
  42. Volkhov
    Volkhov 13 September 2013 13: 49 New
    0
    On the map and on the lists there is no RCA 955, which went into the sea, did something and went somewhere ... probably for this the rest of the squadron.
  43. zollstab
    zollstab 13 September 2013 14: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Mikola
    Повторюсь.странные вы, хотите вести торговую войну, не выполнять подписанные договора и не иметь ответных пакостей. В Украине свои "мировые" проблемы, получите и рощпишитесь. Да и много мировых проблем Россия на ровном месте создает сама. Думаете режим Асада долго продержится?) Но Россия потратит на этот режим немало денег, хотя результат наперед известный. И еще геи Европы также против евро интеграции Украины, вы с ними согласовали позицию?))))

    Instead of Western boobs you get a furry nipple, not there brothers are looking ...
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  44. Yazov
    Yazov 13 September 2013 14: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Otherwise, soon some kind of Georgia will shell our ships illuminated by the Americans.

    I think that Georgia will never again be shelling anyone or anything Russian. Not that shelling, but even doing a yaw-yaw in our direction will not. Not 2008 in the yard. If, something on the tonsils and in a perverted form.
    1. German
      German 16 September 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      Mishiko on the tonsils ...
  45. albanech
    albanech 13 September 2013 14: 45 New
    +1
    Просто Россия хочет показать США, что хозяин мира не США! Нужно считаться со странами мира и их желаниями, а дерм*кратии по образцу США не будет! Хватит гадить "господин - раб - нигер" Обама! Обама! Обама! Позор тебе и Гаага!
  46. lelikas
    lelikas 13 September 2013 14: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: Vrungel78
    Mykola. Our watchman just out of respect stopped at your customs. And so he could send tries and swim further.

    Bravo
    1. Lockbase170
      Lockbase170 14 September 2013 10: 21 New
      +1
      "Жена Валуеву: Коля, не ходи на разборку, их там трое..." laughing
  47. andru_007
    andru_007 13 September 2013 15: 16 New
    +3
    Отлично, что создали группировку в Средиземном море, только жаль, что формировалась она по принципу "с мира по нитке", буквально с флота по кораблю.
    I think the government’s revival of the fleet was previously hypothetically considered, well, they say it’s necessary, after the events in Syria it began to understand the practical need. I hope the correct conclusions will be made and this will accelerate the revival of the fleet! Well, we need it no matter how you turn it ...
  48. krokodil25
    krokodil25 13 September 2013 17: 43 New
    +2
    As they say horseradish Americans and not Syria! angry
  49. me
    me 13 September 2013 17: 47 New
    0
    Amer will tomahawk bombard the troops of Assad, we, in turn, are militants. Well, we can intercept missiles, in principle, we can’t do anything else.
  50. Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 13 September 2013 18: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Dangerous
    Ukrainians in relation to Russia never sit on the ass forever, you always need to do minor dirty tricks, like Shopoklyak. It seems like neighbors are also taken, but either envious over the top (that Russia solves world problems, but nobody pays attention to them), or xs what else ...

    Not Ukrainians, but their government, the majority of Ukrainians treat us fraternally as well as most Russians to them.
    1. VDV 80-82
      VDV 80-82 13 September 2013 19: 51 New
      +2
      you are wrong! forget about this fraternity ... it's been gone for a long time! even in the east of Ukraine.
      1. Gur
        Gur 13 September 2013 21: 37 New
        0
        I disagree in the east ok west tin