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For the SCO to accept Iran into its “club” means to declare its readiness for confrontation with the West

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For the SCO to accept Iran into its “club” means to declare its readiness for confrontation with the West
The Bishkek summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization will be the first way out for the “big political world” for the new president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hassan Rouhani. The bilateral negotiations that will be held in his summit with the Russian president and the chairman of the PRC, of ​​course, will not end with the adoption of breakthrough and fateful decisions. But, perhaps, they will allow the Iranian president to understand the prospects of the Islamic Republic in this organization and to make the necessary adjustments in Tehran’s foreign policy line.



The predecessor of Rouhani, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, failed to achieve a change in the status of Iran in the SCO from an indefinite “observer” to a “full member.” The official reason - “Iran is a country under the sanctions of the UN Security Council”, of course, does not reflect the diversity of this problem. In general, it is clear to all the SCO participants that Iran is under sanctions not because of the “nuclear dossier”, but because of the pronounced anti-Western policy, because it is a serious obstacle for the projects of the US and its allies as in the Middle East and in Central Asia, bearing in mind not only the problems of Afghanistan, but also the expansion of the military-political presence. And it is Iran’s confrontation with the West that causes the prospects for Iran’s permanent membership to be rather vague.

SCO without illusions

Harsh criticism of the SCO, which comes from a number of experts, is due to the fact that the Shanghai organization does not want to become a kind of “anti-NATO”, military-political bloc, opposing the expansion of “non-regional” powers to Central Asia. Yes, since its inception, the SCO members have adopted declarations that in one way or another could be regarded as "anti-Western." For example, the Summit Declaration in Astana (2005 year) stated: “A number of SCO countries provided their ground infrastructure for the temporary accommodation of military contingents of coalition member states, as well as their territory and airspace for military transit in the interests of the antiterrorist coalition. Considering the completion of the active military phase of the antiterrorist operation in Afghanistan, the SCO member states consider it necessary that the relevant members of the antiterrorist coalition decide on the final terms of temporary use of the mentioned infrastructure facilities and the presence of military contingents on the territory of the SCO member countries.

This idea was continued in the Bishkek Declaration of the 2007 of the year: “stability and security in Central Asia can be ensured primarily by the states of this region, based on the regional international associations established in it”, “attempts by third countries to take any unilateral actions in the region SCO’s responsibilities are counterproductive. ” However, there is always a great distance between declarations and reality, and politics is the art of the possible. The question of an air base in Kyrgyzstan is far from being closed, and the declared intentions of the Kyrgyz authorities in this direction are more likely a tribute to the political situation, the desire to receive financial preferences from Russia than political will. The “logistics center” of NATO in Kazakh Aktau is becoming a reality. The number of American advisers in Tajikistan will increase. Russia after stories There are no weighty arguments against this creeping expansion with the Ulyanovsk “logistics center”. Thus, the desire of Rouhani’s predecessor to provide Iran with the status of a “permanent member” and to use the SCO platform for some anti-American initiatives was rather naive.

Today, for the permanent members of the SCO, to accept the Islamic Republic in their “club” means to declare their readiness for confrontation with the West. Which of these permanent members is ready for such a turn? Is Kazakhstan, whose “multi-vector” raging, increasingly turns out to be oriented towards the West in exchange for the status of “moderator” of Western interests in the region? In addition, the participation of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey in the Parliamentary Assembly of Turkic-speaking countries in the SCO creates a kind of “Turkic lobby”, whose activity is implicit, but an obstacle to Iran’s desire to increase its role in the SCO, especially given Turkey’s unconditional Atlantic loyalty to Turkey . Russia, which cannot clearly articulate its strategic interests in the Middle East or Central Asia, and whose foreign policy continues to be a set of force majeure reactions to external stimuli? China, which has more than enough worries of a larger order?

By and large, the SCO today is not a regional structure, it is a negotiation platform with a set of interests of the participating countries. China seeks to expand markets, ensure the security of already made and planned investments, create a barrier for the penetration of "Islamic radicals" in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. The authorities of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are concerned about the preservation of their own regimes. Russia seeks to preserve political influence in the region, while trying to avoid major investments and not “squeeze the foot” to Western competing partners. The policy of Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan in the region could not be more accurately consistent with the definition of “fighting bulldogs under the carpet”, and the prize in this fight is regional leadership. This situation leads to the fact that Iran’s political initiatives are doomed to, to put it mildly, incomprehension.

Tactics of small affairs

The situation of the real state of the SCO described above is neither bad nor good, this is what it really is, it is a reality in which the new Iranian president is to work. The success of his actions will depend on how ready he is to abandon global approaches and to offer all participants in the Shanghai organization a topical agenda. Hopes for a “strategic dialogue” that Rouhani can hold with Putin are unrealizable, and the question of relations with China rests on the prices of Iranian energy resources, on the question of which the PRC plays “for a fall”. But there are topics that, of course, not only will be listened to with attention, but can also serve as the beginning of partnerships, joint projects, which, because of their geopolitical significance, may well become the basis for a regional union, bring a fresh stream into the SCO’s activities. This organization has a number of common goals.

The first issue on this agenda would be Afghanistan. Today, Chinese investment in this country is three billion, and Indian - two billion dollars. The bilateral negotiations between Beijing and New Delhi in early May showed the two countries' extreme concern about the security of these investments and the search for ways to ensure this security, not only the safety of enterprises, but also the physical security of Indian and Chinese personnel. In addition, both China and India are extremely concerned that Afghanistan is the operating base of the "Islamist radicals" that are operating in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China and in Indian Kashmir.

Russia is also concerned about the situation in Afghanistan, albeit in a somewhat different area. One of the outcomes of Operation Enduring Freedom was an increase of more than forty times the growth in heroin production. Under the strict control of the ISAF, for the last year alone, the growth of opium poppy areas amounted to 18%, from 131 to 154-x thousand hectares. The tactics of the “opium war” inherited by the States from the British Empire is the most serious threat to both Russia and the rest of the SCO.

On these two issues, ensuring security of investments in Afghanistan and the confrontation of the Afghan drug expansion, Iran has something to offer its colleagues in the SCO. On the one hand, this is a huge political influence that Tehran has on Afghan society (there is no need to talk about the state there, to put it mildly). On the other hand, the successful experience of three decades of countering the flow of drugs from Afghanistan. Russian security officials have already evaluated the prospects for cooperation with Iran in this matter, having signed an agreement on cooperation between the ministries of internal affairs. It remains to extend the treaty obligations to the rest of the SCO participants.

As for the opposition to the “Islamist radicals”, whose network is beginning to cover other countries in the region, the negotiations of the Iranian representatives with the Director of the Executive Committee of the Regional Antiterrorist Structure of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (RATS Executive Committee) look very promising here in the Iranian embassy. SCO) Zhang Xinfeng. The second topic could well be Iran’s support for the ideas of the SCO Development Bank and its participation in the Shanghai Interbank Association, the participation of a mediated, non-direct violation of UN sanctions. This may well be the beginning of the work of the Islamic Republic in specific regional economic projects, from building the China-Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan railway to cooperation in the Russian-Chinese project of creating a personal mobile satellite communications system, especially since Iran has something to offer in this industry.

Another thing is that such a “tactic of small deeds” requires from Iranian diplomacy prudence, consistency, rejection of loud statements and hard work, the results of which will become visible only after a few years. Is “Sheikh diplomacy” Hassan Rouhani ready to implement such tactics? We will find out the answer to this question already this week.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 11 September 2013 07: 25 New
    +6
    Was there once a neo-confrontation?
    If only when the prezika-head with a patch on the shoulder was slapped like a six
    So those days are gone
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 11 September 2013 09: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: Denis
      Was there once a neo-confrontation?
      If only when the prezika-head with a patch on the shoulder was slapped like a six
      So those days are gone

      Now, about and speaking, we have been confronting the West for a long time, so to speak, so now turn on the back ...
      Iran must be accepted into the CSTO, this will be a real confrontation.)))
      1. smile
        smile 11 September 2013 11: 24 New
        +6
        Natalia
        Perhaps we can say it differently - the West has been confronting us for centuries ... how, damn it, some concussionist of the Universe will accumulate strength so immediately comes to visit us ... yeah, confront ... and then bury them to us ... tired ... :)))
        And if seriously, the confrontation has always been and always will be, in one form or another, will we accept Iran or not ...
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 11 September 2013 11: 28 New
        13
        Quote: Natalia
        Iran must be accepted into the CSTO, this will be a real confrontation.)))

        An interesting analogy: the CU is calling Ukraine into its ranks, and it is leaving (lying down) under the EU, Iran is knocking on the doors of the SCO, and we are discussing how the liberal West will take it.
        About Iran’s chances in the Collective Security Treaty Organization - perhaps it would be its most responsible participant, the presence of which, perhaps, would not give chances for 08.08.08 events.
      3. Denis
        Denis 11 September 2013 12: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Natalia
        Iran should be accepted into the CSTO
        И smile
        It is necessary to accept, but also to forget that from there, although there were few caravans to the spirits, it did! not worth it
        1. smile
          smile 11 September 2013 13: 52 New
          +3
          Denis
          Повторя.сь-никто не забывает, для кого мы были "малой сатаной". Но в данное время полагать, что Иран начнет дестабилизировать обстановку у нас на Кавказе-ошибочно. Но это точно произойдёт если руководство Ирана сменится прозападными марионетками. Посему Иран надо поддерживать-тем самым мы прикрываем себя...кстати-проамериканский Иран-это песец Армении и всем нашим интересам на Кавказе...
          1. Denis
            Denis 11 September 2013 15: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            Iran will begin to destabilize the situation in our Caucasus, mistakenly
            In addition to our Caucasus, they have problems, not to disentangle, so let them be
  2. soldat1945
    soldat1945 11 September 2013 07: 27 New
    +1
    Yes, the West would not be a bad thing if Iran was admitted to the SCO, but at the same time it’s a blow to the authority of the UN, which has not been very high lately, because there are still sanctions on Iran, the decision must be balanced!
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 11 September 2013 08: 34 New
      +4
      In my opinion, the UN does not decide anything right now in connection with the loss of authority. It is enough to recall the words of the American president regarding the Syrian problem. Obamych wanted to spit on the whole UN. With the same success, the SCO has the right to spit on the UN. Obamych didn’t have to get excited with statements and thereby create a precedent. Well, there are sanctions on Iran. Well, the SCO will accept this Islamic republic in its club. What further will the UN do with its sanctions? Spray saliva with foam at the mouth? Poop-poop, yes stop. In the end, can Russia and its allies at least once come to a rebuke to the world community for the sake of justice? For your own sake? Of course, I'm sorry, maybe somewhere wrong. But the times of a unipolar world are over. One-goal game zadolbala. In the end, do we have an iron will and a firm hand ??
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 11 September 2013 09: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: dimon-media
        In my opinion, the UN does not decide anything right now in connection with the loss of authority. It is enough to recall the words of the American president regarding the Syrian problem ...

        I completely agree ... I would not say the SCO, but rather the BRICS should become a new authoritative organization of a regulatory type, the creation of the BRICS international currency fund will help remove irritation in the form of dollar dependence ... and the UN like ... well, let's say that ... somehow turned pale over the past 10-20 years ...
    2. Denis
      Denis 11 September 2013 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: soldat1945
      UN authority
      What is this?
      -Then there was a cult of personality
      - There was a personality, there was a cult (C) from the movie ...
      And the UN has neither one nor the other
  3. Ivan79
    Ivan79 11 September 2013 07: 32 New
    +2
    We need to take Iran to the SCO, without talking.
  4. Valery Neonov
    11 September 2013 07: 47 New
    +2
    Самое время укреплять партнерские отношения с Ираном,причем не замедлительно,тем самым и усилится влияние России на Ближнем Востоке. А "бульдоги под ковром" нехай кусаются, кто верх возьмет того и "приручить"! hi
  5. mirag2
    mirag2 11 September 2013 08: 29 New
    -1
    Iran ... Of course, deep down I want him to join the SCO. Yes, even to the Customs Union! The more trading partners, the better the country lives.
    Only trade is a legitimate, legitimate tool for enriching the people.
    But, if it is accepted into the SCO, then so much poison and other related things will fall on our heads ... If you just do not give a damn about all the laws, sanctions and leave the UN and live separately with Iran, no, he presented complete nonsense. All media that belong to the Jews — and this, count 99%, except for small-town leaflets — they will say that our government leads us to the underworld of terrorism, and now they want to combine our missiles (delivery vehicles) with Iranian uranium — and they will push Obama to deliver a preemptive strike on our storage points for diabetes and nuclear weapons.
    Joke.?
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 11 September 2013 09: 09 New
      +2
      The saying is:- The dog barks, the caravan goes.
      So, purely for your information, nuclear weapons are in service not only with the USA and their six countries. On top of that, we have missile attack early warning systems. They are well aware that a retaliatory strike will follow. This will be the end of everything. The end of all time.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 11 September 2013 09: 30 New
        -4
        Quote: dimon-media
        Nuclear weapons are in service not only with the USA and their six countries

        The most common misconception of Russians is that only the USA and Russia are subjects, and the rest are objects of world politics.
        1. smile
          smile 11 September 2013 11: 34 New
          +3
          Essenger
          The biggest misconception of some small and proud ones is that there are much more independent players on the world stage than fingers are needed to fold a cookie ... those who hope that they can sit between two chairs, pursuing an INDEPENDENT policy and trying to extract from it the seats will be bitterly regretted - they won’t succeed, their priests are too narrow, they will fail .... :))) So, they will have to choose anyway, sooner or later and the later, the worse they will have to ... really these little ones, but history doesn’t teach the proud? :)))
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 11 September 2013 12: 01 New
            -2
            Quote: smile
            So, you still have to choose

            Personally, I made a choice a long time ago. I am for the Anglo-Saxons

            Quote: smile
            Really these little, but proud history teaches nothing? :)))

            On the contrary, taking into account the history, I always shy away from an alliance with the Russians.
            1. smile
              smile 11 September 2013 12: 16 New
              +7
              Essenger
              Thank you for the honest answer. In principle, you did not hide your attitude towards the Russians.
              Well, it remains to regret that you did not visit an English colony at one time. perhaps half the population of the present, growing for centuries in slavery by a white gentleman and a wild agrarian state, unlike the present, you would be convinced that you are slightly wrong ... :)) but history has no subjunctive mood ...
              By the way, nevertheless, take an interest in who got the most from the Anglo-Saxons, whom they first threw into the furnace and handed over to anyone, and where they destroy statehood first of all, turning sufficiently strong states into amorphous formations without any foreign policy, serving only as an object of plunder. ..done, it’s all about those unfortunate people who are unlucky to have a government that put their countries in the Anglo-Saxon allies ... :)))
              Congratulations to the new candidate for Anglo-Saxon meat ...:))) ... Well, that means you're not worth more ... :))))
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 11 September 2013 12: 32 New
                -1
                Quote: smile
                thank you for the honest answer

                Please

                Quote: smile
                In principle, you did not hide your attitude towards the Russians.

                And what is my attitude to the Russians?

                Quote: smile
                Well, it remains to regret that you did not visit an English colony at one time.

                I regret that we were in a Russian colony. If yes, if this is nothing to talk about. I'll try to find a positive there, maybe it would take me a little time to learn English, or maybe I would know from childhood. This is at least one plus)
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 11 September 2013 12: 48 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Essenger
                  And what is my attitude to the Russians?

                  Well yes...
                  Помню я вашу риторику на форуме - насколько вам "симпатичны" сегрегационные законы прибалтов.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  I regret that we were in a Russian colony.

                  You will no longer become an Anglo-Saxon colony.
                  Рекомендую учить китайский язык - не ровен час, и новые китайские власти объяват вас "казахоязычным" населением.

                  Not that sad ...
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 11 September 2013 13: 06 New
                    0
                    Greetings to the stalker walker

                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Помню я вашу риторику на форуме - насколько вам "симпатичны" сегрегационные законы прибалтов.

                    Yes, we need to learn from the Baltic states in the language issue.

                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Рекомендую учить китайский язык - не ровен час, и новые китайские власти объяват вас "казахоязычным" населением.

                    Еще одного человека нашел, который "озабочен" судьбой Казахстана. Рахмет от всей души.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 11 September 2013 13: 50 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Rahmet wholeheartedly.

                      Mutually.
                      1. Essenger
                        Essenger 12 September 2013 01: 30 New
                        +2
                        drinks plus from me
                    2. smile
                      smile 11 September 2013 14: 06 New
                      +3
                      Essenger
                      Then, take the experience from the teachers of the Baltic Nazis, after all, besides nihok, no one pursued such a policy ... well, really. that the Poles behaved this way on the captured Russian lands ... congratulations, you have worthy idols ...
                      The attitude towards the Russians is quite expressed in that. that you called us colonialists ... you see, if you were a stupid person. I could believe it. what you say like that from ... ignorance. But you are quite intellectually developed, which means you are trying to equate our behavior with the wild crimes of the European colonialists deliberately .... you simply lie ....
                      Thank you for the separate pearl that you would learn English in an Anglo-Saxon colony ... :)))) Spirits of tens of millions of Indians, Indians, Africans, standing ovations .... :))) especially the first, most of whose peoples are destroyed to the last person .... but the rest recognized English ... without any straining ... well. slaves must understand the commands of the white gentleman ..... :)))
                      You are criticizing us here that many want Stalin back, a firm hand, so to speak ... and you yourself ... are dreaming of the White Lord? .... There are no words, you really surprised me, a great dream, nothing to say .. . :)))
                      1. Essenger
                        Essenger 11 September 2013 14: 42 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smile
                        The attitude towards the Russians is quite expressed in that. that you called us colonizers ..

                        What to call then? For all that, I certainly will not name the respect civilizators.

                        Quote: smile
                        Thank you for the separate pearl that you would learn English in an Anglo-Saxon colony ..

                        I'm glad I made laugh) I already learned, wrote that it would take a little time. But I am critical of myself, I still need to improve it, okay, this is not important. We move away from the topic.

                        Quote: smile
                        You criticize us here, that many want Stalin back, a firm hand, so to speak

                        I AM? yes no, your right to whom you want to see.

                        Quote: smile
                        and you yourself ... are dreaming of the White Lord?

                        God forbid, although I'm an atheist)
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 23: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Essenger
                        What to call then? For all that, I certainly will not name the respect civilizators.

                        for the sake of interest, visit the State Museum in Alma-Ata on Furmanova, you will find out a lot of interesting information for yourself
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 14: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Essenger
                    Yes, we need to learn from the Baltic states in the language issue.

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                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 12 September 2013 01: 39 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Essenger
                    Yes, we need to learn from the Baltic states in the language issue.

                    Yes, we will give you our experience fraternally!
                    In my opinion, our experts left)))))))
                    http://azh.kz/ru/news/view/14293
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 12 September 2013 10: 58 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Yes, we need to learn from the Baltic states in the language issue.

                      Yes, we will give you our experience fraternally!
                      In my opinion, our experts left)))))))
                      http://azh.kz/ru/news/view/14293


                      I hope we will painlessly switch to the Latin alphabet.
                      I’m wondering why the Communists several times changed the writing precisely among the Turkic peoples of the USSR. Armenians and Georgians were not touched.
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 12 September 2013 12: 46 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Essenger
                      I’m wondering why the Communists several times changed the writing precisely among the Turkic peoples of the USSR. Armenians and Georgians were not touched.

                      I did not think about it, but the question is a hundred points!
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 14: 43 New
              +5
              Quote: Essenger
              I regret that we were in the Russian colony

              Take a trip to Afghanistan
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 12 September 2013 01: 47 New
                +4
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Take a trip to Afghanistan

                I was there, it didn’t get any easier))))))
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 12 September 2013 09: 15 New
                  +1
                  why so?
                  failed to fully touch the cultural heritage of lemongrass? !!
                  all the time spent on museums, but haven’t enough for opera yet ?!
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 12 September 2013 12: 47 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    failed to fully touch the cultural heritage of lemongrass? !!

                    Yes .. there was a lot of work !!)))
    2. vadson
      vadson 11 September 2013 11: 48 New
      +1
      Yes, dear, it’s the United States that sees no one but itself, and Russia is for multipolarity. You can negotiate with many, if only not a completely clinical case - for example, the Baltic states. an illustrative example of Ukraine is the TS and the EU, in the TS people will live better oligarchs are not in the EU on the contrary. and how to convince selfish interests. they say that sanctions at the border are like a kick and not a desire to sit at the table of pepegovors. but how if they themselves do not want (I'm not talking about the people)
      1. Denis
        Denis 11 September 2013 12: 26 New
        0
        Quote: vadson
        Russia for multipolarity
        Is this ability to forgive?
        It is not unlimited, no, no, click caps, otherwise we’ll ask
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 11 September 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    It must be adopted in SCO with the wording "по категорическому требованию китая и его непримирой позиции по данному вопросу члены шос вынуждены принять Иран в данную организацию"
  • Denis
    Denis 11 September 2013 12: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: mirag2
    for him to join the SCO
    And so often the scolded Joseph Visarionitch did not doubt, gave the order and entered
    Операция "Согласие". Ввод советских войск
    The Red Army enters Iran, August 1941.
  • King
    King 11 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +1
    If Iran’s admission to the SCO is beneficial for Russia and the West is washed away with bitter tears, I’m all for it.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 September 2013 08: 57 New
      +2
      It will not be beneficial to us, it will only be dangerous!
  • Grbear
    Grbear 11 September 2013 08: 40 New
    +4
    Тегеран — несомненно влиятельная фигура на БВ и он это осознает, но в ШОС-е может начать "барагозить". Автор хорошо обозначил направления, по которым "хорошо" всем, кроме самого Тегерана. Роль "послушника" мало подходит Ирану, который сам "бодается" с НАТО.

    В идеале: ассоциировать в члены ШОС, в дополнение к Ирану, Ирак и Сирию, затем раскрутить независимый стабилизационный фонд (какой-нибудь ДИ(нар)РУБЛ(ь)Ю(ань)) и получится хороший противовес НАТО и "исламистам". Тогда Восток значительно утихнет. А Штаты "утухнут".
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 14 September 2013 00: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: GrBear
      Tehran is undoubtedly an influential figure in the BV

      And who does he influence? except for the dictator asad and fascists from hezbollah?
  • Darakht
    Darakht 11 September 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    Россия напоминает ребенка, с которым никто не хочет играть, вот он и ищет себе "друзей", хоть каких, лишь бы "друзей". Вместе с тем отношения с ближайшими соседями, бывшими республиками СССР, оставляют желать лучшего - а как не с ними строить доверительные, добрососедские отношения? Даже с Украиной, а в последнее время и Белоруссией (дело Уралкалия), отношения натянутые.
    As for Iran, hoping to annoy the US and Europe, the country acts exclusively to its own detriment. It is worth remembering the radicalism of the leadership of Iran, it is worth remembering the Afghan war and the troops of the Iranian Mujahideen who fought against the Shuravi. In addition, Tehran’s nuclear program is currently not scary for the United States, Europe and Russia should be wary, as long as Iran’s nuclear weapons delivery means can reach us exclusively.
    Ну и напоследок выскажусь о ШОС - перефразируя анекдот "пациент скорее жив, чем мертв". Единого взгляда, как показывает опыт у членов организации нет. Россия, Китай в вопросе по Сирии выступают отдельно от остальных стран участниц.
    1. Fin
      Fin 11 September 2013 10: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Daraht
      Россия напоминает ребенка, с которым никто не хочет играть, вот он и ищет себе "друзей", хоть каких, лишь бы "друзей".

      We will raise the economy, create a capable army and navy, then they will climb into the sandbox with their toys.
    2. smile
      smile 11 September 2013 11: 55 New
      +3
      Darakht
      Да никто и не обольщается насчет Ирана. Все помнят для кого мы были "малой сатаной", но допустить, чтобы из Ирана сделали сателлита США. а значит и нашего однозначного врага мы просто не можем. Что касается наших соседей, то вы уверены в том, что именно наша вина в том, что у нас отношения именно такие, какие есть? Это мы что ли толкаем Украину в ярмо евроинтеграции? Это мы что ли делаем громкие политические заявления, ухудшающие отношения между странами, завлекаем чужих олигархов под предлогом переговоров на высшем уровне и сажаем их в тюрягу с целью отжать их бизнес, заявляя при этом. что печемся об интересах израильских, канадских и немецких интересах? Да, мы по-возможности, защищаем свои экономические и политические интересы, причем стараемся это делать потише-дабы не устраивать публичных семейных скандалов с битьём посуды...Но не стоит преувеличивать наши возможности-не всё зависит от нас, и мы не можем бесконечно идти на уступки за ради того, чтобы кто-то сказал, что он наш друг...не сделав НИЧЕГО, чтобы поддержать нас в трудную минуту...
      1. Darakht
        Darakht 11 September 2013 14: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: smile
        Are we pushing Ukraine into the yoke of European integration? Is it we who make loud political statements that worsen relations between countries, lure foreign oligarchs under the pretext of high-level negotiations and put them in a jail in order to squeeze out their business, stating at the same time. what do we care about the interests of Israeli, Canadian and German interests?

        Quote: Daraht
        Russia resembles a child

        :)
        Let's immediately decide, either Russia is a world power and the largest player in the region, or all that you have listed, and from this we will dance. If the first option, one conversation, if the second, then Iran is the ally that Russia deserves. Fell all misfortunes on the neighbors, and as we see the ungrateful neighbors more and more, clearly does not paint the empire and its representatives. With this you hope to agree?
        As for Iran
        Quote: smile
        for Iran to make US satellite
        That in the first case (strengthening Iran), that in the second (US puppet) Russia remains in its own interests, it will not work out from Iran as a partner, it’s a passing satellite.
        As for Ukraine, although why did you remember only Ukraine, there are many former republics of the USSR, and not many relations with many. So, a huge mistake by the country's leadership is integration, an example is the new EU members who were on the verge of bankruptcy precisely thanks to entry into the Eurozone. Ukraine will not be an exception. Joining the TS, in my opinion, also does not bode for any special preferences - the structure is purely nominal. So what remains to Ukraine? Send to ... everyone and everything. Sit with the brothers at the negotiating table, put the bottle, cut fat, and do not stop negotiations until all three countries find acceptable conditions for cooperation. And we will always go to Europe, always buy German cars ... this good will not go anywhere.
  • left-wing
    left-wing 11 September 2013 08: 53 New
    +1
    The adoption of Iran is a moot point, since the question of dividing the Caspian has not yet been resolved, until it is unlikely that Iran will become a full member of the SCO
    1. smile
      smile 11 September 2013 11: 57 New
      +2
      left-wing
      So maybe it’s worth taking advantage of the situation and resolving the Caspian issue even with Iran, linking its resolution with Iran’s accession to the SCO?
  • smsk
    smsk 11 September 2013 08: 54 New
    +3
    For the SCO to accept Iran into its “club” means to declare its readiness for confrontation with the West


    When you need to start. You should not sit and wait in the hope that it will resolve itself and the West will suddenly fall in love with Russia. There is a struggle for annihilation, it is necessary to unite in order to survive.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 September 2013 08: 58 New
      0
      Open a second front without ending the battle in the Syrian sector? Very, very stupid.
      1. smsk
        smsk 11 September 2013 10: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: mirag2
        Open a second front without ending the battle in the Syrian sector? Very, very stupid.

        Russia is always in the role of catching up and retreating. Perhaps it is worth fussing in order to prevent a repeat of the Syrian situation in Iran. It is foolish to scatter countries friendly to Russia at this stage.
      2. smile
        smile 11 September 2013 12: 00 New
        +3
        mirag2
        There will be no second front — Syria is just a stage in the path of civilizers to take control of Iran. So that the front is the same, and there it is already blazing with might and main ...
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 11 September 2013 09: 03 New
    +4
    If Iran were a secular state - then one could say without hesitation - Yes! And so - you need to think carefully.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 11 September 2013 09: 28 New
    -5
    Definitely against Iran’s participation in the SCO. But once the conversation started, the Turks must make a condition that the inclusion of Iran is possible only in parallel with Turkey.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 September 2013 09: 32 New
      +3
      On condition that it leaves NATO! bully
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 11 September 2013 09: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Essenger
      Definitely against Iran’s participation in the SCO. But once the conversation started, the Turks must make a condition that the inclusion of Iran is possible only in parallel with Turkey.

      Where without it. Turkey needs the SCO most certainly to push through the interests of the Turks. But only here is sadness - Turkey is in another block.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 11 September 2013 09: 52 New
        0
        Kaput and Flood, the SCO is not a military-political bloc and it is foolish to oppose NATO.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 11 September 2013 10: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: Essenger
          The SCO is not a military-political bloc and it is stupid to oppose NATO.

          Nevertheless, in the foreseeable future there will not be a single NATO member state in the SCO. Why? Probably because NATO is still a bloc hostile to Russia, for example.
          And the state of Turkey in a hostile bloc simply contradicts the requirements for a country that is a member of the SCO (read the SCO Charter).
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 11 September 2013 12: 09 New
            +3
            SCO Charter
            principles
            Article 2
            SCO member states adhere to the following principles

            SCO's non-directivity against other states and international organizations;

            Dream on
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 11 September 2013 14: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Essenger
              Dream on


              Article 3

              Areas of cooperation

              The main areas of cooperation within the SCO are:

              maintaining peace and enhancing security and confidence in the region


              Essenger, relax with your Turkish brothers.
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 11 September 2013 15: 05 New
                0
                Article 3

                Areas of cooperation

                The main areas of cooperation within the SCO are:

                maintaining peace and enhancing security and confidence in the region


                Your argument is weak. So Iran can maintain peace and strengthen security in the region, but Turkey can’t?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 11 September 2013 15: 24 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Essenger
                  Your argument is weak.

                  It reassures me that this is only your personal opinion.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  So Iran can maintain peace and strengthen security in the region, but Turkey can’t?

                  It is difficult to assume the opposite with even the most superficial view of events in the Middle East region.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 12 September 2013 01: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: Flood
                Essenger, relax with your Turkish brothers.

                dear I am also a Turk, and what do we dislike for you?))))))))
                I do not know Essenger very well, but even in Antarctica he is BROTHER to me!
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 12 September 2013 09: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  dear I am also a Turk, and what do we dislike for you?))))))))

                  Hello, Alibek.
                  I have nothing personal against the Turks.
                  But I am aware that so far Russia and Turkey are on opposite sides of the barricades.
                  But everything is in the hands of the Lord and the Turks themselves, choosing their rulers.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I do not know Essenger very well, but even in Antarctica he is BROTHER to me!

                  And I will never say that every Russian or Ukrainian is my brother.
                  In the same Antarctica in the first place are the personal qualities of a person, and not his ethnicity.
                  And if I act like shit, I’ll understand if even my father and mother turn their backs on me.
                  These are our different views.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 September 2013 02: 06 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    And if I act like shit, I’ll understand if even my father and mother turn their backs on me.
                    These are our different views.

                    Yes, that's not it !!
                    A real Turk will not act like shit anywhere, so he BROTHERS me!
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 13 September 2013 02: 14 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      A real Turk will not act like shit anywhere, so he BROTHERS me!


                      Dear Yarbay!
                      I always liked your answers - restrained and balanced.
                      I believe that your message is clear.
                      hi
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 12 September 2013 01: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: Flood
            Probably because NATO is still a bloc hostile to Russia, for example.

            Dear Navadl, tell me where it is written in the doctrine or officially in Russia NATO is called the enemy of Russia ???
            Why are you pumping yourself?
            Since the time of Yeltsin, Russia has been actively cooperating with NATO and even has a representative at headquarters !!
            I imagine if there would be a representative of Ukraine or Kazakhstan sitting there would be the end of the world))
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 12 September 2013 09: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              Dear Navadl, tell me where it is written in the doctrine or officially in Russia NATO is called the enemy of Russia ???


              From the first lines, it is obvious that all NATO regulatory documents are lies and hypocrisy.
              Judged by deeds, not words.

              CHARTER OF NATO
              NORTH ATLANTIC AGREEMENT

              Washington, DC, April 4 1949

              The Contracting Parties reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and governments.

              The contracting parties are determined to defend the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, based on the principles of democracy, individual freedom and the rule of law.

              Contracting Parties are committed to enhancing stability and enhancing well-being in the North Atlantic region.

              The Contracting Parties are determined to join forces in order to create collective defense and preserve peace and security.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 12 September 2013 12: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: Flood
                From the first lines, it is obvious that all NATO regulatory documents are lies and hypocrisy.
                Judged by deeds, not words.

                Dear Navadl, judging by the deeds, then all of Azerbaijan should not hate Russia with fierce hatred !!
                And then Russia is liming with NATO!
                What are you better ??
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 12 September 2013 12: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Dear Navadl, judging by the deeds, then all of Azerbaijan should not hate Russia with fierce hatred !!

                  I am not very familiar with the history of Azerbaijan and do not quite understand what you are talking about. But in any case, we are not talking about past affairs, but about present time. About what NATO is doing in the world now.
                  And in my opinion, it is the NATO member countries that live the day before, seeing the enemy in Russia and in every possible way stirring up negative sentiments in society towards Russia.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  And then Russia is liming with NATO!

                  Russia cannot ignore NATO, which almost all of Europe consists of.
                  Naturally, she is forced to engage in dialogue with him. Moreover, hundreds of millions are sure that NATO is an instrument for spreading the ideals of democracy, civil rights and freedoms in the world. Russia is not yet in a position to talk from a position of strength, nor can they open their eyes to these millions. Where is the hypocrisy?
    3. smile
      smile 11 September 2013 12: 26 New
      +3
      Essenger
      Of course, of course ... we’ve been dancing to the Turkish tune for 300 years and now, of course. let's run skipping to satisfy all the whims of the great Turks ... :)))
      В принципе. ввиду вашего заявления, что вы не желаете иметь дел с русскими и являетесь поклонником англосаксов, ваше заявление вполне последовательно-попытка ослабить ШОС и дезорганизовать его деятельность...вплоть до таких гениальных требований.... Вот только Турция, в отличие от англофильски настроенных потенциальных "турецкоподданных" прекрасно понимает, что не с нами ей тягаться-историческая память оставила на её шкуре достаточно следов от наших штыков, и потому будет действовать разумнее...:))) Тем более, что к ней самой подбираются англосаксы с разделочным ножом-ну. это участь любых англосаксонских союзников....:)))
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 11 September 2013 12: 59 New
        +2
        Smile if we debate let's be honest, why juggle?

        Quote: smile
        Basically. in view of your statement that you do not wish to deal with Russians


        I wrote to stay away from the union, this does not mean that I am against cooperation with you. Having the longest border and not cooperating is stupid and dangerous for us.

        Quote: smile
        your statement is quite consistent, an attempt to weaken the SCO and disorganize its activities ... down to such ingenious demands ....

        I am not against the SCO, I am against the transformation of this organization into an anti-Western club.
        If the Russians and Chinese want to oppose themselves against the Anglo-Saxons, the flag is purple in your hands but you don’t have to drag us in.
        1. smile
          smile 11 September 2013 14: 22 New
          0
          Essenger
          You see, you say that you focus on the Anglo-Saxons. But to focus on them and fully cooperate with us will not work. All their satellites voluntarily or involuntarily lose the opportunity to conduct an independent foreign policy and pursue the sovereigns imposed on them. There is no other way. Anglo-Saxons are clearly hostile to us. And it does not in any way depend on us that in any case they intend to prevent the revival of our state and believe that Siberia should be divided ... between them ... Can we not be hostile to those who publicly declare What is it necessary to divide us? We have no choice ... You have ... also you have the opportunity to think about how we should relate to the satellites of our enemies, which are at our side ... and you must understand that we will not draw conclusions out of harm but out of a sense of self-preservation ... think, it is in your interests to become our enemy ... and for what? To be an Anglo-Saxon puppet?
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 11 September 2013 14: 54 New
            +2
            Smile

            You see, you say that you focus on the Anglo-Saxons. But to focus on them and fully cooperate with us will not work
            You do not cooperate with the Anglo-Saxomi?

            [quote = smile] All their satellites voluntarily or involuntarily lose the possibility of conducting an independent foreign policy and pursue the sovereigns imposed on them. There is no other way. [/ Quote]
            Let's remember the story, the Kazakhs proposed an alliance with you. We supply furs, cattle, we will not conduct foreign policy, we become part of Russia and ask for help, not protection in the war against the Dzungars.
            As a result, you threw us, even the Chinese helped us more than you did in the war against the Dzungars. Complete Russification, deprivation of land, two famines. Reducing the number by a third, 1960, Kazakhs became a minority in their own land. The territory of Kazakhstan has become a zone of environmental disaster.
            After that, I am allergic to an alliance with you. Excuse me.


            quote = smile] think it’s in your interests to become our enemy ... and for what? In order to be an Anglo-Saxon puppet? [/ Quote]
            Do you suggest that we become an enemy of the Anglo-Saxons and your puppet?

            I apologize for the bold type, I just quoted you unsuccessfully. I made it convenient for you to distinguish your quote and my answer.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 15: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Essenger
              The territory of Kazakhstan has become a zone of environmental disaster.

              For 40 years he lived in Kazakhstan and somehow with the environment it became rotten only after the collapse of the Union
              Quote: Essenger
              After that I am allergic to union with you

              and the industry (well, more precisely, the remnants, science and other things that the damned Russians built) there is no allergy?
            2. smile
              smile 11 September 2013 17: 59 New
              +1
              Essenger
              Officially, we cooperate .... but literally on all serious issues we have diametrically opposed views. In fact, there is a cold war and you know this very well. The fact is that we do not pretend to Scotland and do not want to divide Alaska between the CIS countries, but they want to. So, we do not cooperate with them, but coexist ... as peacefully as possible, sometimes giving maw on the teeth they are urging, precisely those who focus on them ... such is the fate of their allies - they are thrown at us in the hope of weakening us. ..
              Allergy. it’s allergy, it’s your business ... it’s just strange to hear perestroika nonsense from a seemingly rational person ... the fact is that all your arguments are a lie ... some, like, for example, reducing the number of Kazakhs, are not just lies, but Gobbels-style impudent lies ...
              (Do you not know that in spite of a very high increase in the number of Kazakhs, a lot of people sent to you to develop territories in common — and yours — interests — you would never have managed without human resources and monstrous material investments, as well as many Kazakhs left for Russia -to get an education and realize oneself where it was more possible than at home)
              ..также вспомните, что до нас голод у вас встречался гораздо чаще, смертность была просто чудовищная, ни образования, ни промышленности. ни единого государства у вас не было, а были разобщенные княжества, упоённо резавшие друг друга и регулярно получавшие по шее от тех же джунгар и китайцев, вам "помогавших", все это помножьте на прелести дикого средневековья и едва ли не родоплеменной строй....если бы не Россия, так бы и оставались на уровне работорговцев Бухары и Хивы....прелестная картинка? Вам нравится? Но ведь это правда...которую я бы ни за что бы здесь не озвучил, если бы вы не стали лгать о нас....
              If you think that you need to be an Anglo-Saxon puppet instead of an equal relationship, the only benefit of it is to execute Anglo-Saxon orders = this is your business ... now, reading you, I once again understand how some of your compatriots who claim that you there is no discrimination of Russian speakers ... yes, by the way, I hope your leadership is more thorough in thought and remembers how ALWAYS the hostile policy towards Russia ends ...
              And don’t apologize for the font — it doesn’t make any difference — I already understand everything. Yes, and I’m not a savage, in order to be offended by the text, please write, as it suits you ...
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 11 September 2013 18: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: smile
                about the reduction in the number of Kazakhs is not just a lie, but a blatant lie

                Refute the lie.

                Quote: smile
                that you have no discrimination of Russian speakers there ..

                Yes, the Russians themselves are asking us for discriminatory laws.

                Quote: smile
                Yes, and I’m not a savage, in order to be offended by the text, please write, as it suits you ...

                I did not even think to offend you, just when I first read my comment it was inconvenient and decided to fix it a little. I apologize again.

                Quote: smile
                The fact is that we do not claim Scotland and do not want to divide Alaska

                But pretend to our northern territories, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, divided Moldova and Georgia.
                Just understand me, you are against the Anglo-Saxons claiming Siberia. And I am opposed to you claiming our northern territories. And unlike you, we do not have nuclear weapons and we are forced to seek an alliance with the Anglo-Saxons, everything is simple. This is the instinct of self-preservation.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 18: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Essenger
                  But pretend to our northern territories, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, divided Moldova and Georgia

                  can you prove ?!
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 11 September 2013 22: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Essenger
                    But pretend to our northern territories, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, divided Moldova and Georgia

                    can you prove ?!


                    Vasilenko Vladimir in vain you scribble comments I quote me. After what you wrote about the Kazakhs, I am not going to enter into a discussion with you; do not waste your time. Do not blame me, all the best.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 23: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Essenger
                      what you wrote about the Kazakhs

                      and what did I write about the Kazakhs? !!!
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 23: 30 New
                        +2
                        liar, reread ALL YOUR POSTS on this thread about Kazakhs
                2. smile
                  smile 11 September 2013 22: 50 New
                  0
                  Essenger
                  I prove it.-Let's go.

                  population dynamics
                  year population (thousand people) including urban birth rate (per thousand people)
                  1926 6025 512?
                  1940 6148 1833 40,8
                  1959 9295 4067
                  1970 13009 6538 23,4
                  for the 70th year of Kazakhs in the Kazakh Republic - 4 million 161 thousand
                  for 89 years Kazakhs 6 million 346 thousand

                  Naturally, there are many non-Kazakhs among the urban population, but who built the cities and industry until you created the Educational System? In addition, a significant proportion of the Russian-speaking population in Kazakhstan, together with territories annexed by Russia to you.

                  Kazakhs in Russia
                  Main article: Kazakhs in Russia
                  The number and proportion of Kazakhs in Russia [33]
                  according to censuses
                  1939 1959 1970 1979 1989 2002
                  356 646 0,33 382 431 0,33 477 820 0,37 518 060 0,38 635 865 0,43 653 962 0,45
                  The number of Kazakhs and their share in the population of Russia was constantly increasing. In the border regions, Kazakhs live compactly. In the Astrakhan region a newspaper is published in the Kazakh language (“Ak Arna”), in several regions there are several dozen schools where the Kazakh language is taught as a separate subject.
                  This is data from thoroughly lying pedagogy (and not in our favor .. and not only not in favor of the Chinese either) - excuse me, there is no time to pick more serious sources.
                  Russia has no territorial claims against Kazakhstan. So do I. :))) And some people talk about territories that have joined you when facts of discrimination against Russian speakers come to light and when your compatriots begin to lie in person about Russian colonization and depopulation ... well. it's a shame. is it really incomprehensible? :)))
                  Have i proven?
                  And the search for self-preservation of allies among those who set you on a powerful country with nuclear weapons (with which you have a lot of economic ties) - and go-wherever you go-looks at least unreasonable ...

                  I also apologize - there in the second table everything turned out to be too crowded. Understand?
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 11 September 2013 23: 34 New
                    +4
                    You are manipulating numbers, I was talking about ethnic Kazakhs, not the population of the Kaz SSR. These are two different things.

                    Kazakhs
                    1926 3,6 million
                    1939 2,3 million. This is only official data.

                    1959 Russians almost 4 million
                    Kazakhs 2,7 million
                    Minority in their own land.

                    The same pedagogy)

                    Quote: smile
                    A newspaper in Kazakh is published in the Astrakhan region

                    I do not raise the issue of Kazakh-speaking, Kazakhs living there for me are Russians. Although the term itself is so incomprehensible and incorrect in my opinion, and there are not Kazakh-speaking Kazakhs there. I do not blame them, they have the right to speak Russian. I do not like to interfere in the internal political affairs of other states.
                    But I will not discuss the language issue in Kazakhstan with citizens of other states. This is not your business. If we want to deprive the Russian language of the status of official deprivation, we will not ask you. Sorry for the harshness, but this is my opinion
                    Why is Russian still the official language? Because Nazarbayev and Co. are Russian-speaking themselves, new ones will come and everyone will close the shop.

                    PS: They say in the Russian Federation for 650 thousand Kazakhs only 1 Kazakh-speaking school. Based on this, we must leave a maximum of 6 Russian-language schools in the KZ for 3,7 million Russians. This is simple arithmetic.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 23: 53 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Essenger
                      They say in the Russian Federation for 650 thousand Kazakhs only 1 Kazakh-speaking school. Based on this, we must leave a maximum of 6 Russian-language schools in the KZ for 3,7 million Russians. This is simple arithmetic.


                      first, ask the 650 thousand Kazakhs what language they want to learn.
                      in addition, the Russian diaspora in Kazakhstan is a quarter of the population, and not less than 1 percent
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 15: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Essenger
          Having the longest border and not cooperating is stupid and dangerous for us.

          and I want to drive a car and observe innocence.
  • Voskepar
    Voskepar 11 September 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    Here are some good news for Iranian friends:
    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2276010
  • albai
    albai 11 September 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    Of course, Iran’s entry into the SCO has its positive and negative sides. Positive it is quite distinctive, ancient, with a history of five thousand, powerful and rich in energy resources, an industrially developed state. Negative - theocratic, unfriendly towards Arab-speaking, Western states, not always loyal to Russia. Arabs are afraid of Iran remembering the past. It cannot be denied that the Iranians can introduce new ideas into the SCO policy. Yes, and Iran’s membership will dramatically increase the weight and influence of the SCO countries on BV and the dominant position in controlling global hydrocarbon reserves. This will probably be a powerful lobby against the promotion of amers in the BV, and in the future the creation of a counterweight to the United States and Europe. The UN is already on its last legs and may the SCO be able to create an alternative to it. After all, the development of the world is gradually moving from the West to the East. And Russia, as always, will be a bridge between them.
  • VasDA
    VasDA 11 September 2013 10: 31 New
    +3
    В последнее время часто и много повторяют: "Восток - дело тонкое..." Может быть оттого, что я житель ДВ, может оттого, что я ну очень люблю западные "ценности"... Короче... Иран, как наследник древней Персии, должна быть нашим союзником... Да, трудно! Да, опасно в текущих реалиях! Но нужно нам и учиться многовековой истории у Востока - ЛЮБУЮ ситуацию оборачивать в свою пользу.
    Может я и не прав, но... "Да, азиаты мы! Да, скифы!" (С) А.С. Пушкин. Надо в первую очередь искать СВОЮ выгоду...
  • Ross
    Ross 11 September 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Denis
    Was there once a neo-confrontation?
    If only when the prezika-head with a patch on the shoulder was slapped like a six
    So those days are gone

    Politicians never openly conflict. Like Cheshire cats, they smile sweetly and shit stealthily.
    1. smile
      smile 11 September 2013 12: 30 New
      0
      Ross
      Yeah. And some of them sharpen their claws on the armrests of armchairs, jump on the curtains, and in their gaze, the eternal dumb reproach. LET GO! :)))
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 11 September 2013 12: 28 New
    +1
    First, nuclear weapons appeared in one power - the United States, this allowed her to think that she was the only one, then our country had nuclear weapons, and thus an opportunity for an adequate response appeared. The confrontation lasted just as long as the rest of the countries understood that the possession of nuclear weapons is a matter of prestige of the state and its certain independence. All European countries hastened to acquire them (no matter with whose help). Thus arose the Nuclear Club. The rest of the globe understood that it is very vulnerable in this regard, and possession of nuclear weapons has become a pass to the rank of independent states that can conduct their own policies different from those of the Nuclear Club. And it is this opportunity to act as an independent player that irritates the leading powers, including ours with you.
  • 222222
    222222 11 September 2013 12: 43 New
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    "Для ШОС принять Иран в свой «клуб» означает заявить о готовности к конфронтации с Западом.."
    A deep and interesting thought .. For the West to accept all East European countries into NATO and the EU, there is no conflict with Russia, but democracy promotion (read .. promoting your economic interests in this region under the auspices of the 4th Reich ..). And expansion the zone of influence of NATO on Central Asia, the Caucasus, the Arctic ..- this is also not a conflict with the Russian Federation .. But the SCO to accept Iran, this already means ...
  • knn54
    knn54 11 September 2013 14: 47 New
    +1
    To accept Iran in the SCO or to give Iran to the Yankees to be torn to pieces?
    Let BETTER RF and PRC control Iran’s facilities.
    And the enemy of my enemy ... I am not an enemy.
  • eplewke
    eplewke 11 September 2013 14: 59 New
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    Natalia
    Perhaps we can say it differently - the West has been confronting us for centuries ... how, damn it, some concussionist of the Universe will accumulate strength so immediately comes to visit us ... yeah, confront ... and then bury them to us ... tired ... :)))
    And if seriously, the confrontation has always been and always will be, in one form or another, will we accept Iran or not ...

    Aha ha !!! Then we bury them ... laughing Well done! Strongly said ... The French were buried, the Swedes were buried, the Poles were buried, the Germans were buried, the Americans had to be buried, only it was desirable to dig on their own land ... smile
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 13 November 2013 18: 47 New
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    Quote: smile
    I hope your leadership is more thorough in thought and remembers how ALWAYS the hostile policy towards Russia ends ...


    Россия юсовцам сейчас не цель, а скорее помеха на пути к цели, а цель Китай. Обьясню. Юсовцы взвешивают большую войну что бы списать внешний долг (поэтому так обильно разрабатывают новые системы вооружений). Китайцы, которым пренадлежит самый большой кусок этого долга, сложили 2+2, и начали судорожно вооружаться и модернизировать армию (доходит до таких моментов, что они вводят в строй новые корабли, почти без полномасштабных испытаний новых систем). Вторые по величине держатели долга - саудовцы (зная что при случае им припомнят и вакхабитов и Бин-Ладена) тоже начали бочком отползать в тень и вооружаться (новые танки и самолеты в больших количествах), а так же заигрывать с москвой. И с другой стороны - последние заигрывания юсовцев с нефтеносным Ираном которому они ничего не должны, признак того что они ищут "чистый лист". Ливию и Ирак они уже подготовили (страны ослабленны и в хаосе), во время войны смогут безпрепятственно войти и пользовать нефть. С Асадом еще более тонкая игра, его ослабили напугали и "простили", в час Х его просто припрут к стенке и заставят выбирать сторону, и не факт что он не выберет юсовцев, особенно если Иранская карта сыграет. Роль России в этом сценарии - сторонний наблюдатель, а в идеале союзник юсовцев - если удастся столкнуть ее лбами с Китаем. ПРО в Европе строят против Китая, заведомо зная что Российский арсенал она не остановит. США война против России во всей этой игре нужна в последнюю очередь. Повторюсь, идеальный сценарий для них - "Россия союзник". Так как вместе они порвут Китай и его союзников в клочья без излишних потерь, КНР окажется географически между молотом и наковальней.
    The most interesting thing - I suspect that this scenario is known in the Kremlin. Too early in time, Putin bailed out Obama in the episode with Syria and turned the gates from Saudi’s unprecedented generosity. Add another desire to reconcile Iran with the West ... suggestive, it is worthwhile to calculate the benefits of Russia from participating in such a redivision of the world. One worth removing OPEC from the oil rudder is worth it, and the prospect of turning China into the most powerful superpower on the planet of Russian analysts is no more pleasing than US analysts, they are all familiar with the model of the Cold War model - everything is familiar and predictable there. I will be happy to hear your opinions.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 13 November 2013 18: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: smile
    I hope your leadership is more thorough in thought and remembers how ALWAYS the hostile policy towards Russia ends ...


    Россия юсовцам сейчас не цель, а скорее помеха на пути к цели, а цель Китай. Обьясню. Юсовцы взвешивают большую войну что бы списать внешний долг (поэтому так обильно разрабатывают новые системы вооружений). Китайцы, которым пренадлежит самый большой кусок этого долга, сложили 2+2, и начали судорожно вооружаться и модернизировать армию (доходит до таких моментов, что они вводят в строй новые корабли, почти без полномасштабных испытаний новых систем). Вторые по величине держатели долга - Сауды (зная что при случае им припомнят и вакхабитов и Бин-Ладена) тоже начали бочком отползать в тень и вооружаться (новые танки и самолеты в больших количествах), а так же заигрывать с Москвой. И с другой стороны - последние заигрывания юсовцев с нефтеносным Ираном которому они ничего не должны, признак того что они ищут "чистый лист". Ливию и Ирак они уже подготовили (страны ослабленны и в хаосе), во время войны смогут безпрепятственно войти и пользовать нефть. С Асадом еще более тонкая игра, его ослабили напугали и "простили", в час Х его просто припрут к стенке и заставят выбирать сторону, и не факт что он не выберет юсовцев, особенно если Иранская карта сыграет. Роль России в этом сценарии - сторонний наблюдатель, а в идеале союзник юсовцев - если удастся столкнуть ее лбами с Китаем. ПРО в Европе строят против Китая, заведомо зная что Российский арсенал она не остановит. США война против России во всей этой игре нужна в последнюю очередь. Повторюсь, идеальный сценарий для них - "Россия союзник". Так как вместе они порвут Китай и его союзников в клочья без излишних потерь, КНР окажется географически между молотом и наковальней.
    The most interesting thing - I suspect that this scenario is known in the Kremlin. Too early in time, Putin bailed out Obama in the episode with Syria and turned the gates from Saudi’s unprecedented generosity. Add another desire to reconcile Iran with the West ... suggestive, it is worthwhile to calculate the benefits of Russia from participating in such a redivision of the world. One worth removing OPEC from the oil rudder is worth it, and the prospect of turning China into the most powerful superpower on the planet of Russian analysts is no more pleasing than US analysts, they are all familiar with the model of the Cold War model - everything is familiar and predictable there. I will be happy to hear your opinions.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 13 November 2013 19: 46 New
    0
    Damn, buggy, 2 times post what