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Yanukovych chooses association with the EU

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One gets the feeling that the so-called “candy dispute”, which began with the fact that Russia found something inappropriate in the products of a well-known Ukrainian manufacturer, dotted the “i” in the emotional throwings of the Ukrainian president. During his entire presidential term, Viktor Yanukovych tried to sit on two chairs at once and set Ukraine on them. These two chairs were: one - the entry into the European Union, the second - the entry into the Union Customs. Viktor Fyodorovich bowed out in front of Brussels, assuring European officials that Ukraine wants to go exclusively along the path of fraternization with the EU, and at the same time the Ukrainian president informed the representatives of the Customs Union that he was almost ready to send Ukraine along the path of Eurasian integration. Apparently, these mental torments seriously affected the general well-being of the Ukrainian leader. He did, you know, could not make a choice. Well, downright not the president of the country, but Agafea Tikhonovna Kuperdyagin from the “Marriage” of N.V. Gogol:


If Nikanor Ivanovich’s lips were to be attached to Ivan Kuzmich’s nose, to take some swagger, like Balthazar’s Balthazarych’s, and, perhaps, to add Ivan Pavlovich’s prettiness to this - I would have decided immediately.


Yanukovych chooses association with the EU


Nothing resembles? .. Now, if gas prices are for both Belarusians, loans for both Spaniards and Italians, living standards like Luxembourgers, and, perhaps, adding to the Russian market - I would have decided immediately.
But Viktor Fedorovich stubbornly asserted: either "the swagger of Balthazar Baltazarych", or "the dignity of Ivan Pavlovich" ... There is no third.

And now, realizing that there is no strength to continue, Viktor Yanukovych announces his landmark decision. Blaming the Russian side of unleashing a customs crisis (“candy dispute”), recalling the expensive gas and stating that such actions from Moscow do not look like partners at all, Yanukovych speaks about choosing to associate with the European Union. At one of the recent internal party meetings, the President of Ukraine noted that he literally every morning had to start with a prayer in which he asked God to give him patience and restraint in communicating with the “strategic neighbor”. It turns out that either Viktor Fyodorovich prayed poorly, or he prayed to the wrong gods - his patience ended ... I endured tolerance, you know, but the Russian authorities pushed me towards Brussels, something about this message that the President of Ukraine informed me of. In order to strengthen the strength of his position, during a meeting of the Party of Regions faction, Yanukovych even asked those who disagree with him to stand, pointing to the door. No one began to get up, and therefore the Ukrainian head was convinced that the decision was made exclusively right.

Perhaps the most rigorous assessment of the decision of the Ukrainian president, aimed at following the path of association with the EU, was given by the adviser to the head of the Russian state, Sergei Glazyev:

The agreement says that Ukraine accepts EU technical regulations, cancels duties on trade with the EU, accepts its sanitary and phytosanitary control norms. That is, everything that Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan have transferred to the Customs Union, Ukraine will implement under the control of Brussels on the basis of European directives. In addition, in the ten articles of the Association Agreement, Ukraine undertakes not to make changes to its legislation that would contradict this agreement, that is, it will have to coordinate its laws with Brussels. To sum it all up, Ukraine, with the signing of the Association Agreement, loses its independence and ceases to be for us not just a strategic, but even a full-fledged partner.


The decision of Viktor Yanukovych was commented on by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. He noted that if Ukraine signs the Association Agreement with the EU, the path to the Customs Union for this state will be closed, since the regulatory framework and the regulations of the organizations do not coincide.

So what do we have? Viktor Yanukovych has been trying for a long time to get away from an unequivocal answer about the direction of integration for his country; then, quite unexpectedly, the Customs Conflict is being played out, which is related to the fact that the sanitary services of Russia find in the Ukrainian sweets something that does not meet the quality requirements; trucks and wagons with Ukrainian goods embark on the Ukrainian-Russian border; The Ukrainian president considers this an attempt at pressure and states that he chose a course in the EU as the direction of integration; Russian authorities are offended, and even something like a threat appears.

Of course, this situation does not paint either the Russian or the Ukrainian political leadership. The fact that Viktor Yanukovych, excuse me, pulled the rubber for several years in a row, this is not good. But is the best way to increase the chances of his desire to join the Customs Union to unleash a strange customs dispute? As it turns out now, it is far from the best, if not the worst, since the vehicle for Ukraine becomes like a ghost ship, sailing farther and farther away. How close will the European Union “ship” be to Ukraine? - this is another question. Most likely, the European economic "ship" to Kiev is still suitable, but at the same time it opens its holds not for letting Ukrainian goods into them, but for the final filling of the Ukrainian market with goods of European origin. How much Ukrainian producers will benefit from this is clear to everyone: they will benefit from a lump of butter ...

If someone has the illusion that after concluding an associative agreement with the EU, Ukrainian goods will go to the European Union in a continuous stream without any customs or other barriers, then you should pay attention to statistics regarding other countries. The association agreement with the EU was signed by the following countries each (just a few examples): Algeria, Albania, Jordan, Serbia, Chile, South Africa. At the same time, in all the above cases, the number of imports of goods from Europe after the signing of the Agreement has increased significantly, but exports from these countries to Europe have decreased. Greater import growth corresponds to Serbia: import from the EU has increased by 58%! It turns out that European manufacturers benefit from the Agreement, but the production sphere of the associates themselves suffers significant difficulties.

Of course, now the same Yanukovych will long say that the association with the EU is not only the economy, but also security, the humanitarian sphere, the strengthening of political ties. But these are already obvious attempts to justify their decision in all possible ways. Humanitarian relations at the level of endless conversations about the need to support the LGBT community ... Or security, when Big Brother again wants to use the Ukrainian defense industry for colanders, saying that it does not meet the parameters of Europe and NATO ... If it is necessary for Kiev, then for God's sake ...

And how strengthened after the conclusion of the Association Agreement with the EU are the ties between Algeria and the EU, Albania and the EU! - How many Algerian and Albanian migrant workers replenished the labor markets of countries belonging to the European Union, forcing the Europeans themselves to be unprintable, realizing that this is an open dumping ...

It is clear that the decision of Yanukovych is difficult to call rational and balanced. It is clear that in the economy of Ukraine it can strike. But the thing is that the Ukrainian president was simply offended. They pushed him, he sniffed. Maybe they pressed hard, they did it painfully - they overdid it, and he rushed to cry in a European vest. Well, what will happen when the pain subsides, when you need to turn on the "thinking apparatus"? Will the forces remain to realize that mistakes have been made, that it is time to play back and make more expedient decisions. By the way, this very “apparatus” will have to be turned on both by Kiev and Moscow, because not only Ukraine but also Russia will lose Ukraine’s bank to the West. And most importantly - people will lose: simple Russians, and simple Ukrainians. If the authorities of our countries have business with us, then it is time to stop butting and crumble in mutual reproaches. Instead of “candy wars” and speeches with a tear in his voice, you need to sit down at the negotiating table and, in our way, in a human way, discuss the situation with a cup, a slash, and a cucumber. And then, you know, they tightened their ties - blood does not flow to the brain ...
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  1. vitek1233
    vitek1233 11 September 2013 08: 05
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    Yanukovych as Susanin leads Ukraine in the wrong direction
    1. Denis
      Denis 11 September 2013 08: 20
      45
      Quote: vitek1233
      Yanukovych as Susanin leads Ukraine in the wrong direction

      Welcome to the gay club, there, in the photo, as two Europeans look at Yanukovych (fresh meat).
      1. King
        King 11 September 2013 08: 54
        18
        he has already redid his passport - changed his name to Victoria. and to be honest, I feel sorry for the fraternal Ukrainian people. who completely forgot their story. West Ukraine will bring only ruin. Again, this is shown by history so where the interests of Europeans are chaos and devastation - Africa, Asia. all wars began in the western states. that Ukraine is waiting for slavery in the event of entry into association with the EU. and politicians will fill their pockets and go ahead with a song to the resorts and will pay for all the people.
        1. Hon
          Hon 11 September 2013 09: 15
          41 th
          Thank you should not say Yanukovych and Onishchenko.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 11 September 2013 09: 58
            22
            Quote: Hon
            Thank you should not say Yanukovych and Onishchenko.

            And rightly so! Vaughn Roshen now sells his chocolates for 5,50 hryvnia. Twice cheaper! Just to buy. So at least children will eat such chocolate. Moreover, with additives they became stricter. What if they really check it out! laughing
            1. Hon
              Hon 11 September 2013 10: 05
              +7
              Quote: Egoza
              And rightly so! Vaughn Roshen now sells his chocolates for 5,50 hryvnia. Twice cheaper! Just to buy. So at least children will eat such chocolate. Moreover, with additives they became stricter. What if they really check it out!

              Does Belarus also produce bad products? They have either bad milk or cheese, maybe Onishchenko will check our products for a change.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 11 September 2013 10: 18
                +9
                Quote: Hon
                maybe Onishchenko will check our products for a change.

                And touch no one's own. Their products, excuse me, will lose to Belarusian ones. And then what should the "poor Russian entrepreneurs" do?
                1. Hon
                  Hon 11 September 2013 11: 39
                  13
                  Quote: Egoza
                  And then what should the "poor Russian entrepreneurs" do?

                  Better work
                  1. smile
                    smile 11 September 2013 12: 52
                    +4
                    Hon
                    Come on, you might think you don’t understand that onishchenko is accessed from a holster when it is necessary to protect our interests ... or do you believe that we have no right to protect, or we have no interests, or should we just play giveaways? Is it possible to defend something by adopting such a style of action?
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 11 September 2013 13: 12
                      -4
                      Quote: smile
                      Come on, you might think you don’t understand that onishchenko is accessed from a holster when it is necessary to protect our interests ... or do you believe that we have no right to protect, or we have no interests, or should we just play giveaways? Is it possible to defend something by adopting such a style of action?

                      Defending our interests we begin to lose allies. Georgia is one thing, and quite different countries are those with which it is possible to agree.
                      1. King
                        King 11 September 2013 13: 42
                        +8
                        Putin agreed with you well and your politicians wrinkle boobs. want to get nati to europe. in Ukraine they want to eat a fish and to ... sit.
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 11 September 2013 14: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: King
                        Putin agreed with you well and your politicians wrinkle boobs. want to get nati to europe. in Ukraine they want to eat a fish and to ... sit.

                        Who is it with you? I am Russian and live in Russia, respectively, Russian citizenship, and no other.
                      3. elmi
                        elmi 11 September 2013 14: 08
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                        And now, realizing that there is no strength to pull further, Viktor Yanukovych announces his epoch-making decision. Accusing the Russian side of unleashing a customs crisis (a “candy dispute”), recalling expensive gas and stating that such actions on the part of Moscow do not seem to be partnering at all, Yanukovych speaks of the choice in favor of association with the European Union.

                        But the "candy disputes" gas disputes and many others will seem like little flowers compared to the introduction of a visa regime by Russia in 2015 with countries that are not members of the customs union. Then I think the Ukrainians themselves will understand that they lose more from a break with Russia than from joining association with the EU. As the saying goes - Having no value, the loss of lice is crying.
                      4. I am a Russian
                        I am a Russian 11 September 2013 21: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: elmi
                        But the "candy disputes" gas disputes and many others will seem like little flowers compared to the introduction of a visa regime by Russia from 2015 with countries that are not members of the customs union


                        so by 2015 the Ukrainian will again "sit down" on two chairs.
                  2. rolik
                    rolik 11 September 2013 14: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: Hon
                    Defending our interests we begin to lose allies

                    That is, in your words, we should not defend our interests? Let the delay, a radioactive sausage glowing in the dark, be brought to us - I've seen one myself, and we must close our eyes to keep everything quiet and calm. We will eat preservatives, harmful dyes and other rubbish, but our friends and partners will be happy, they shoved all their guano to us, and even received money for this, cheap gas, military aid. Beauty ... but not for us. now are a little different times, not the 70s when the union helped flawed "friends", who then turned away from it. Yanukovych wants to be associated with the EU, then the people and the finally collapsed economy of the country will thank him for this. It would be better if the roads began to be put in order in the country, a disgrace and not roads. At the same time, I would solve the problem of employment of a part of the population.
                  3. Hon
                    Hon 11 September 2013 14: 28
                    +1
                    What is the delay and radioactive sausage? Onishchenko intervenes when it is necessary to force the "partner" to dance to his tune, his department is already calling Rospotrebspetsnaz. He is not at all interested in the compliance of goods with sanitary standards, his task is to put pressure on economic levers.
                  4. rolik
                    rolik 11 September 2013 18: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Hon
                    What is the delay and radioactive sausage? Onishchenko intervenes when it is necessary to make the "partner" dance to his tune

                    And our neighbors, unlike Onishenko, immediately start petting with the EU and NATO. Shut off valves and so on, so on, so on. Or am I wrong? That is why we are pulling pipelines away from our "friends" and building new ports. The policy is correct, you have to be self-sufficient and work without looking back at the possibility of getting kicked by neighbors. Mattress makers, unlike us, either arrange another revolution with the change of an unwanted ruler, or stupidly bomb again with the change of an unwanted ruler. And what is more humane, a tomahawk over the head, or try not to goat your neighbor and calmly trade with him?
                    And I saw a radioactive sausage in the 92nd year, it really glowed with a green light, on a cut, in the dark. It was brought just from Ukraine. But then everything was taken from us, we still hoped for a friendly attitude towards ourselves. Fortunately, this sausage was disposed of, and the director of Consumer Cooperation then drank validol for a year and cried in a dream. He dreamed that they came to arrest him for such a sausage))))
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 11 September 2013 21: 07
                  -3
                  Quote: rolik
                  That is, in your words, we should not protect our interests?

                  It should!
                  But wisely!
                  What does Russia offer mutually beneficial and useful?
                  Why is everyone-MUST Russia?
                  What did Russia do for others?
                  Each leader of the country must think about the benefits of his country, and not Russia!

                  Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych said that he begins every morning with a prayer, in which he asks God to give him patience and endurance to communicate with a strategic neighbor. Yanukovych said that the Kremlin and Gazprom are insulting not just the president, but all of Ukraine. A partner and respectful attitude of the northern neighbor towards Ukraine is not to be expected. "Therefore, the decision in favor of the European vector has no alternative," he said.
                  During a meeting with representatives of Armenian parties, Serzh Sargsyan once said: “You think it’s easy to speak with the President of Russia.” In the press then there was information that Putin spoke in obscene language with Soviet presidents, including Serge Sargsyan.
                  http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/society/view/32217
                3. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 September 2013 21: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Why is everyone-MUST Russia?

                  Why should Russia provide its markets to another state? What has Ukraine done to earn the right to be in the Russian market?
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  What did Russia do for others?

                  Roads, hospitals, schools, industry, a lot of things.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Each leader of the country must think about the benefits of his country, and not Russia!

                  Then what kind of country should the Russian president think about? Some kind of stupid phrase you got, it turns out from your words that the president of Russia should not think about the benefits for Russia?
                4. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 11 September 2013 22: 24
                  -2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Why should Russia provide its markets to another state? What has Ukraine done to earn the right to be in the Russian market?

                  If you want to be with you, and not with others, then you should not only do this!
                  I understand you, then do not blame Ukraine or another country, why they do not want to join the Eurasian Union! Agree to the EU more attractively!
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Roads, hospitals, schools, industry, a lot of things.

                  Leave these tales to children!
                  For everything, everything was then paid to all dear!
                  Also, everyone can submit bills to each other!
                  This is not seriously respected!
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Then what kind of country should the Russian president think about?

                  Oh, but the benefit of Russia in its economic development at this stage, rather than the clumsy construction of an incomprehensible union with the goal of reviving the USSR, but without a clear plan! Both the customs union and the Eurasian Union are waiting for the fate of the CIS countries! Because nothing is thought out and the Russian economy is not competitive with European!
                  with respect!
                5. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 September 2013 23: 34
                  +5
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  If you want to be with you, and not with others, then you should not only do this!

                  But Ukraine IS NOT WITH US! You are confusing cause and effect, reason - Ukraine is moving west, consequence - the Russian market is closing for Ukraine.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  For everything, everything was then paid to all dear!

                  Here, in more detail, than they paid so expensive?
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Oh, but the benefit of Russia in its economic development at this stage, and not the clumsy construction of an incomprehensible alliance with the goal of reviving the USSR, but without a clear plan!

                  It does not interfere. There are laws of macroeconomics, there is just mathematics, 200 million more and stronger than 160 million.
                6. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 11 September 2013 23: 47
                  -3
                  Quote: Setrac
                  But Ukraine IS NOT WITH US! You are confusing cause and effect, reason - Ukraine is moving west, consequence - the Russian market is closing for Ukraine.

                  No, I don’t confuse!
                  You don’t want to see the cause and effect!
                  Look was the CIS, how old is it, what good has happened ?? Again attempts of dictatorship, non-execution of decisions! How it ended ?? The same thing will be here!
                  Since Russian politicians have desires that do not coincide with opportunities! And nothing has been done all this time, so that there are more opportunities!
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Here, in more detail, than they paid so expensive?

                  All that was !!
                  Russia gave nothing to anyone, took what it wanted, gave what it considered necessary! This is the normal policy of any empire!
                  Quote: Setrac
                  It does not interfere. There are laws of macroeconomics, there is just mathematics, 200 million more and stronger than 160 million.

                  And why should I go into a patient with corruption and a self-abolishing economy, so that on the forums of Russian * patriots * they say what a fellow president of Ukraine ??
                  No, fire!
                  You see, this does not bother you, but everyone else does not need it, that is, a self-respecting country will not feed your imperial ambitions, most importantly without any support!
                7. Setrac
                  Setrac 12 September 2013 00: 01
                  +5
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Look was the CIS, how old is it, what good has happened ?? Again attempts of dictatorship, non-execution of decisions! How it ended ?? The same thing will be here!

                  Russia on your border can not control? Where is the dictate here? In the EU-dictatorship, but it does not bother you. Double standarts.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  All that was !!

                  More specifically, what happened before Russia and what was lost? And then your general phrases look like terry propaganda.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Why should I go into a corruption-sick and self-destructive economy

                  It is strange, Ukraine goes to a "healthy" corporation, and begs for loans from a "sick". It is strange that Ukraine is arguing for the right to trade in a sick "corporation" and not in a "healthy" one. Probably a sick corporation is not so sick, and a healthy one does not shine with health.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  You see, this does not bother you, but everyone else does not need it, that is, a self-respecting country will not feed your imperial ambitions, most importantly without any support!

                  Our ambitions are supported by our economy, otherwise Ukraine would not have spoken like that.
                8. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 12 September 2013 00: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Russia on your border can not control?

                  Yes, you dispose, but for this it was necessary not to enter the WTO !!
                  And what do you want from Ukraine? Well, she doesn’t want to date you))))))
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Strange, Ukraine goes to a "healthy" corporation, and begs for loans from a "patient".
                  I haven’t heard something! Ukraine asks for loans not only from Russia and receives not only from Russia!
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Our ambitions are supported by our economy, otherwise Ukraine would not have spoken like that.
                  Your economy is in poor condition, alas!
                  I don’t see Ukraine squealing, I see Mr. Volodin squealing and sputtering!
                9. Setrac
                  Setrac 12 September 2013 00: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  And what do you want from Ukraine? Well, she doesn’t want to date you))))))

                  So it seems they have already said goodbye, no, Ukraine is demanding something.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Your economy is in poor condition, alas!

                  fifth world economy! then what about the sixth eighth, ninth and eleventh economies? Germany, France, Great Britain, Italy!
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I don’t see Ukraine squealing, I see Mr. Volodin squealing and sputtering!

                  Ukraine squeals about closed Russian borders. I know about Mr. Onishchenko, who does not spray saliva.
                10. Kars
                  Kars 12 September 2013 10: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Ukraine squeals about closed Russian borders.

                  Like a closed border, it’s not a mess of the Russian Federation, to the extent that you even go for forgery)))
                11. Setrac
                  Setrac 12 September 2013 13: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  even go to the forgery)))

                  This is blatant slander, it’s a pity that the Russian state is not a user of this site, otherwise you would answer for these words (morally answered winked )
                  Quote: Kars
                  Type closed border

                  Type the Russian border is controlled from Moscow and Moscow sets the rules for trade in Russia, not Kiev, and whoever doesn’t like it can cross the borders of any other state (except in cases stipulated by agreements between our states).
                12. Kars
                  Kars 12 September 2013 19: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  This is blatant slander

                  So did you find gasoline in Roshen sweets?
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Type the Russian border is controlled from Moscow and Moscow sets the rules for trade in Russia

                  Yes, but she cannot violate international trade rules.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  who do not like can cross the borders of any other state (except in cases stipulated by agreements between our states).

                  Strange do you take control of the borders of other countries already?
  2. Arabist
    Arabist 11 September 2013 21: 55
    +2
    What has Russia done for others? And who gives loans to the same Ukraine and many other countries of the post-Soviet space? And how many jobs do we provide? And how much did we build? Yes, thanks only to us, a significant part of this world has not yet died of hunger.
  3. Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 September 2013 22: 18
    +1
    Quote: Arabist
    What has Russia done for others? And who gives loans to the same Ukraine

    Well yes))))))
    And on the other hand, it sells gas several times more expensive than Europe ??))
    Just trying to squeeze Ukraine, so nothing comes out!
    Treat Ukraine down and dismissive and get an answer!
    My opinion!
    If you had smart politicians, all the countries of the post-Soviet space would go for Russia!
    it's my opinion
  4. OZI-2013
    OZI-2013 12 September 2013 18: 17
    +2
    But this is a very correct opinion.
  5. Stas157
    Stas157 12 September 2013 19: 25
    +4
    And on the other hand, it sells gas several times more expensive than Europe ??))

    That you got excited!
    And then, Russia is an independent country, and itself has the right to set prices for its strategic resources! I would not sell at all, left for posterity!
  6. smile
    smile 11 September 2013 21: 56
    +5
    Yarbay
    Greetings!
    It’s interesting, you periodically distribute really interesting materials about how Armenian nationalists treat us badly. moreover, some are sufficiently proven (well, for example, they sent me a PM, and thank you for that). The main leitmotif-Armenians are sitting on our neck, and the legs hung down, despising us, but we, burdocks, do not understand this, and in general, we are friends with them in vain. everything is clear here - you just don’t like them. For some reason, it’s quite clear ...... here you make a virtuoso pirouette and say that our Bad Putin speaks terrible preferences with the Armenian president and those monstrous preferences that we used to give to some of our neighbors, cost nothing. ...
    it would seem, what does the Armenians have to do with it ... :)))
    Yarbay is a very clumsy work ... and hypocrisy is simply striking .... alas ...
    The question is, for what purpose do you behave this way? And where are the good old Yarbai delhi, huh? :)))
  7. Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 September 2013 22: 15
    +4
    Quote: smile
    Greetings!

    Hi Vladimir!
    Quote: smile
    That's interesting - you periodically distribute really interesting materials about how Armenian nationalists treat us badly

    No, I saw an article on the topic, in this case, I don’t care what nationality the author is!
    Quote: smile
    Yarbay is a very clumsy work ... and hypocrisy is simply striking .... alas ...

    I’m just reading Volodin’s article, usually he always writes like that if some republic doesn’t keep up with Russia! If you agree, the article is offensive, rude, I would write it, it would have allowed ethnic hatred!
    Understand Vladimir until you have equal relations with your neighbor, mutually beneficial self-respecting countries will not go with you! And there will be countries in the union that have a difficult economic situation, such as Armenia, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan!


    Quote: smile
    The question is, for what purpose do you behave this way? And where are the good old Yarbai delhi, huh? :)))

    Volodya, my goal is to express my opinion and discuss it with comrades, with readers, users!
    I am the same as I was!
    I still think that only Russia can save the world, but not with such a policy!
  8. don.kryyuger
    don.kryyuger 11 September 2013 14: 10
    +6
    Or, in order not to lose allies, it is necessary to turn into a trash heap for their "goods. They do not control production, they think so with their hands they will tear it off", but begin to stir when thunder breaks out.
  9. Hon
    Hon 11 September 2013 14: 30
    +2
    Quote: don.kryyuger
    Or, in order not to lose allies, it is necessary to turn into a trash heap for their "goods. They do not control production, they think so with their hands they will tear it off", but begin to stir when thunder breaks out.

    Well, Ukrainian goods are worthy of only garbage. And Belarus too? Have you seen any lines in stores selling Belarusian products?
  10. Victor
    Victor 11 September 2013 18: 51
    0
    Quote: Hon
    Well, Ukrainian goods are worthy of only garbage. And Belarus too? Have you seen any lines in stores selling Belarusian products?

    For a year now, I haven’t been selling Belarusian products. Previously, I always bought both sausage with cheese and butter for excellent quality. But since the devaluation took place in Belarus, the quality of products has fallen sharply, especially sour milk and cheeses. Now I take Ukrainian cheeses, which actually added in quality, meat, only Russian. So here. And I was not alone in noticing these changes for the better in the quality of Belarusian products.
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 11 September 2013 20: 30
    0
    Quote: Victor
    And I was not the only one who noticed these changes not for the better in the quality of Belarusian products.

    Well! That claims to Onishchenko, "for which the Belarusians spread rot !!!" That is to the quality of the products. belay Guys! you will somehow decide. If the quality has decreased, then Onishchenko is right. Made a "remark", Old Man will wind up his tails there and again everything will be in accordance with GOST. But we still chase after products. Although the cheeses have become better, and the composition of the butter (spread) is written more honestly on the wrappers! laughing
  12. smile
    smile 11 September 2013 18: 54
    +3
    Hon
    Oh, don’t tell my shoes. what are the lines? In Kaliningrad, our country is full of both our Belarusian and Polish and Lithuanian ones (Lithuanians or Poles have to pay far for transit from Russia). The quality is identical, only the packaging is different. Queues? :))) I have not seen the queues for a dozen and a half years ... Where do you live? On Habomai?
    By the way, Lithuanian dairy products were slaughtered for the same reasons. that at one time, Belarusian (not now), so they instantly corrected and everything was decided without raising the universal hi.
    And yet, why do you think that the Belarusian capitalists are better than ours? The same methods of economy are identical for them. All ghouls drink blood, otherwise they cannot :)))
  13. baltika-18
    baltika-18 11 September 2013 20: 34
    +3
    Quote: smile
    Oh, don’t tell my shoes. what are the lines?

    We have in P. Palekh, Ivanovo Region. Belorussian products are brought once a week. The line is lined up. The quality is good. I especially like butter, it is real. Because it differs very much from our shit (the dairy works locally). I understand a bit , worked for two years at the dairy in the early XNUMXs.
  14. smile
    smile 11 September 2013 22: 08
    -1
    baltika-18
    Interesting ... With a special desire, we can also find something local that is not very high quality, but the bulk of the production is no worse. And this despite the fact that recently the quality of Belarusian products has improved - just for several years, low-quality products of Belarusian production have simply not been allowed to visit us, although earlier they tried to get involved-capitalism-is capitalism. Belarusians only take the price.
    It was brought to you there that you forgot how to do the oil ... or you never knew how? I’m absolutely serious. How about this before?
  15. rolik
    rolik 11 September 2013 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: Hon
    . And Belarus too? Have you seen any lines in stores selling Belarusian products?

    I did not see the queues in my city for Belarusian goods. And the fact that milk was slowed down is a response to the arrest of a Russian citizen. Another thing is what kind of citizen it is, this is the second question. But to plant a person for deciding to sell his share, ask Lukashenko what it is called. That is why the answer came also on the topic of business. And imagine if Putin will go on principle. Tomorrow, the oil pipeline will be closed for indefinite repair. And how much will gasoline cost in Belarus? And if they also choke on gas? Lukashenko, of course, will immediately rush into the arms of the EU and the Mattresses. They will gladly accept Belarus into their strong arms, but the Old Man, at some point, will merge. And he understands this perfectly. He perfectly understands that the country will be taken from him, and he will end his life in a prison cell in The Hague.
    That's the whole deal.
  16. smile
    smile 11 September 2013 18: 39
    +2
    Hon
    You believe that we will gain allies if we do not live and work, and sometimes fight only in the name of the well-being of those countries. who will call themselves allies? And those. who in a critical situation will not substitute our shoulder. as for example, when it was necessary to recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia? After all, they didn’t have to do anything, just admit ... so they weren’t capable of it either ... but imagine if we really needed help? They would again remember their interests, right? Do you even understand what you're calling for?
  17. Lexo
    Lexo 12 September 2013 13: 44
    0
    Sorry, but Russia lost both Georgia and Ukraine and did nothing good to bring us back ... I am both Georgian and Ukrainian - I am sorry that you treat me so badly ... so I have no choice = I do not see in Russia Friends ..
  • alone
    alone 11 September 2013 20: 20
    0
    why work? it is necessary to steal to cut folk money. and work is not a wolf.
  • xan
    xan 11 September 2013 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    And touch their own. Excuse me, their products will lose the Belarusian.

    Where does such confidence in the quality of the Belarusian and the poor quality of Russian come from?
    For example, I can’t stand Belarusian sweets.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 September 2013 14: 27
      +2
      Quote: xan
      Where does such confidence in the quality of the Belarusian and the poor quality of Russian come from?

      In this case, we are talking about milk and sausage. Even 10 years ago, their directors of sausage factories came (brought Lukashenko) to Moscow to meet with Russian industrialists. So when the BR told some of their recipes, the Russians were horrified: "If we put so much meat in the sausage, we will go broke."
      1. rolik
        rolik 11 September 2013 19: 06
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        ... So when the BR told some of their recipes, the Russians were horrified: "If we put so much meat in the sausage, we will go broke."

        And if we sell gas and oil to Belarusians at European prices, then they will no longer add meat to sausage.
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 11 September 2013 17: 43
      +1
      Quote: xan
      Why is there such confidence in the quality of the Belarusian and the low-quality Russian? For example, I can’t stand Belarusian sweets.

      Sadly, however ...
      Apparently, your body can no longer exist without chemistry ...
      Accustomed to "sneakers" ...
  • Russophile
    Russophile 11 September 2013 23: 01
    +1
    That's for sure. Something is not heard that he forbade at least something from the GMF that our food hucksters import from geyrops
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 12 September 2013 21: 16
    +1
    Quote: Hon
    Does Belarus also produce bad products?

    And Belarus is in the customs union, by the way, for those who are in an armored train.
    And all the problems with their goods, and they sometimes arise, for various reasons, solves safely.
    And the trade turnover with Russia is catching up with Ukrainian, although Belarus is much smaller than Ukraine.
    Some of the "broad patriots" whined that they were taking everything to Moscow, now they whine that they are not allowed to take it to Moscow. request
    Straight away, "where can the poor peasant go?" what
  • Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 11 September 2013 10: 14
    29
    Today a 5.50 chocolate bar for the delight of children. Tomorrow, thousands of those who have lost their jobs will not think about a chocolate for their child, but about a piece of bread. Poroshenko will not lose, he will join. He opened a brand store in Budapest. What awaits us. Iron Curtain in the east. Tough entry and customs regulations in the west. And the anthem "She is not dead Ukraine ???" with questions and without answers.
    1. pri3rak
      pri3rak 11 September 2013 10: 35
      +2
      Somewhere it will be so, that's just the flow of labor from Russia will go to Europe. I do not think that they will be met there with open arms
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 11 September 2013 11: 33
        +2
        your brain is not capable of analyzing, but the sense of smell and touch at an altitude are coming from Europe and especially zapadents to Europe, so they have practically nothing to lose there.
      2. rolik
        rolik 11 September 2013 14: 09
        +4
        Quote: pri3rak
        I do not think that they will be met there with open arms

        Especially Turks, Bulgarians and other comrades from depressed economies working there now.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 11 September 2013 10: 58
    +8
    Quote: Egoza
    Moreover, with additives they became stricter. What if they really check it out!

    Yes, you will not believe it, but they do. The level of control even for external packaging materials is very high.
    Honestly, I was very surprised.
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 11 September 2013 10: 43
    -4
    Quote: Hon
    Thank you should not say Yanukovych and Onishchenko.

    Onishchenko is not an independent figure. A direct rigidly subordinated GDP. Why scold your hand, orders from your head. I wrote for a long time that the GDP is the main opponent of the unification of Russia with Ukraine. An analysis of his actions in relation to Ukraine (Tuzla, statements that Russia itself would have won the Second World War, trade, gas wars, etc.), Belarus (takeover of enterprises, trade conflicts,) and to Russia itself ("struggle "corruption, the dominance of blacks, the drinking of Russians, and much more) shows that reality is at odds with the pink picture of the first channel.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 11 September 2013 14: 53
      +4
      I have long written that GDP is the main opponent of the unification of Russia with Ukraine.


      With this you got excited !!! It is a tragedy for Russia that Ukraine separated and became a different state and the GDP understands this! But you will not be forcibly sweet!
  • domokl
    domokl 11 September 2013 08: 55
    20
    For a long time we hid this topic. The decision by Yanukovych was made and now we and the Ukrainians need to begin to get used to the fact that Ukraine and Russia are just countries. They are independent (relatively) and live by their own laws.
    Call for negotiations? Why? We’re talking about Yanukovych and Putin, but let’s say that the CU includes two more equal members. Why don’t we take Lukashenko’s opinion into account? Negotiations can only be in one way - Ukraine can enter the CU on exactly the same grounds and with exactly the same rights as Russia, Belarus or Kazakhstan. No more and no less ...
    With the signing of the contract, for us, and for Ukraine, there will be huge expenses for creating the border, changing the air defense system, etc. But this is already a matter of economics.
    The return of Ukraine to its former relations in the near future is not possible.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 11 September 2013 09: 51
      15
      Quote: domokl
      For a long time we hid this topic. The decision by Yanukovych was made and now we and the Ukrainians need to begin to get used to the fact that Ukraine and Russia are just countries. They are independent (relatively) and live by their own laws.

      Yeah ... how I didn’t want Ukraine to draw itself into this vicious circle. The people voted for Yanukovych, but got the same Yushchenko at the exit: heading for the West (now it is now not orange, but blue), the Holodomor has not disappeared, Binder is at the dawn of forces, well, perhaps they haven’t asked NATO yet ...
      1. Hon
        Hon 11 September 2013 10: 25
        12 th
        Quote: Natalia
        heading west (now it’s not orange, but blue), the Holodomor hasn’t gone anywhere, Binder’s power is at dawn, well, perhaps they haven’t asked NATO yet ...

        Yes, we ourselves pushed Ukraine into the arms of the west
        1. domokl
          domokl 11 September 2013 11: 36
          15
          Quote: Hon
          Yes, we ourselves pushed Ukraine into the arms of the west

          Well, yes ... It was necessary to immediately give a damn about fraternity and other sentiments. When more than 20 years there has been a real anti-Russian and anti-Russian domestic policy, when the country supports the enemies (remember the order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine not to let the squad of ships into the Sevastopol bay after the destruction of the Georgian boat and transfer codes of Georgia), when we openly oppose Russian politics and Russia, should we represent privileges and kiss in the ass? There’s nothing .. nothing personal, but we must have a conscience. Russia is patient, but its patience is not unlimited.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 11 September 2013 12: 06
            -7
            Quote: domokl
            When the real anti-Russian and anti-Russian domestic policy is going on for more than 20 years, when the country supports enemies

            This proposal is very applicable to Russia itself. Anti-Russian policy from the Caucasus to the Far East, from education to mechanical engineering. Anti-Russian policy from orders of Mistrals, Boeings, Iveco to selling electricity to the Chinese is cheaper than Russian, from pushing away the remaining friends (Ukraine, Belarus) to flirting with enemies (USA, China, EU, Germany.) And when the country supports enemies in bulk. From Hero of Russia Kadyrov to imprisoned Guards Colonel Kvachkov. Well, Ukraine appointed Hero of Russia Serdyukov as Minister. And now he doesn’t let him be planted. Well, Ukraine does not agree at the request of Putin to release the thief and the FSB agent Tymoshenko from prison.
            But why about that? It is simpler and more understandable when the enemies are someone else. And all the problems are because of them. And their problems no longer seem so terrible and the culprits are immediately identified. (but not those) The United States does the same. Bulk of their problems, but the prezik will explain the herd with a tear in his voice and wrinkling his forehead - ASAD IS GUILTY. The media are the main weapon of destruction and an instrument of control. It will remake you and enemies in the guardians of the Russian Earth and will designate the Brothers as enemies.
            1. domokl
              domokl 11 September 2013 14: 11
              11
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              This proposal is very applicable to Russia itself.

              Oh, what a big opus ... Did I say that everything is fine in Russia? That we have no problems? Not once and nowhere ... But there is one small, but very significant difference between us - Russia craps for itself, but also she cleans up. She doesn’t bring down neighbors, she doesn’t reproach anyone. Ukraine is exactly the opposite. Everyone is guilty except us.
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 11 September 2013 18: 32
                0
                Quote: domokl
                But there is one small, but very significant difference between us - Russia craps for itself, but also cleans itself. It does not bring down neighbors, does not reproach anyone. Ukraine is exactly the opposite. Everyone is guilty, except us.

                This is where Russia removed? Some common phrases, no facts. Read the comments carefully. Who is blamed here? What is one example when Russia was to blame? In relations with Ukraine - clearly. Here (in your opinion) Ukraine alone is to blame. How is it with Belarus? Kazakhstan? Kyrgyzstan? Georgia? The Baltic states? And this is the former Union. Maybe Russia is to blame for relations with China? Not. Just give a little land. We give back wood, gas, oil, electricity. Cheaper than yourself. Yes and no desire to list everything. As the saying goes: Thinking enough!
                Quote: domokl
                Oh, what a big opus.

                Neglect of the interlocutor, who has not offended you, shows your bad manners.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 September 2013 22: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  In relations with Ukraine - clearly. Here (in your opinion) Ukraine alone is to blame.

                  I don’t understand what Russia is to blame for Ukraine? Russia did not commit itself to allowing Ukrainian goods into its market.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 11 September 2013 22: 05
                    +5
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Russia did not undertake to admit Ukrainian goods to its market.

                    How didn’t she take it? Also say that the Russian Federation is not a member of the WTO.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 11 September 2013 23: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    How didn’t she take it? Also say that the Russian Federation is not a member of the WTO.

                    Russia and Ukraine joined the WTO on different conditions, if Ukraine received more responsibilities upon accession, then Russia got more rights.
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 12 September 2013 00: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Ukraine received more duties upon entry, Russia received more rights.

                    Joke))))))))
                  4. gladiatorakz
                    gladiatorakz 12 September 2013 10: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Russia and Ukraine joined the WTO on different conditions, if Ukraine received more responsibilities upon accession, then Russia got more rights.

                    Voice of the First Channel! laughing Do you yourself believe that? Or just want to believe?
                  5. Kars
                    Kars 12 September 2013 10: 57
                    +1
                    hi
                    Quote: Setrac
                    if Ukraine received more duties upon entry, then Russia got more rights.
      2. Hon
        Hon 11 September 2013 12: 45
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Well, yes ... It was necessary to immediately give a damn about fraternity and other sentiments. When more than 20 years there has been a real anti-Russian and anti-Russian domestic policy, when the country supports the enemies (remember the order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine not to let the squad of ships into the Sevastopol bay after the destruction of the Georgian boat and transfer codes of Georgia), when we openly oppose Russian politics and Russia, should we represent privileges and kiss in the ass? There’s nothing .. nothing personal, but we must have a conscience. Russia is patient, but its patience is not unlimited.

        Ukraine is divided into two camps, even according to its territory it is divided into western and eastern. I want to note that our base in Ukraine still exists, and in many respects this is a merit of the pro-Russian part of Ukraine. With our sanctions, we strike primarily on this part, and we give Bandera an argument in their favor. They say that you are friends with Russia and strive for the customs union when Ukrainian goods are not allowed on the Russian market. We were not satisfied with the policy of Yushchenko, but by our actions we form the opinion in Ukrainian society that he pursued the right policy.
        1. Alligator_S
          Alligator_S 11 September 2013 12: 53
          +5
          With our sanctions, we strike primarily on this part, and we give Bandera an argument in their favor. They say that you are friends with Russia and strive for the customs union when Ukrainian goods are not allowed on the Russian market.

          Oh no! With its sanctions, Russia strikes primarily against our oligarchs, among whom, probably, there is not one who loves or even has a good relationship with Russia or the Slavs in general.
          1. domokl
            domokl 11 September 2013 14: 21
            +8
            Quote: Alligator_S
            ! With its sanctions, Russia strikes primarily against our oligarchs, among whom, probably, there is not one who loves or even has a good relationship with Russia or the Slavs in general.

            I would like the Ukrainian oligarchs to live somewhere in another country in this case. But they live in Ukraine. And every blow to the oligarch’s pocket will still respond to ordinary people. We understand that. But we also have ordinary people. And we must protect them ...
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 11 September 2013 18: 34
              0
              Quote: domokl
              I would like the Ukrainian oligarchs to live in that case somewhere in another country.

              Following the example of Abramovich?
        2. domokl
          domokl 11 September 2013 14: 18
          +7
          Quote: Hon
          With our sanctions, we strike primarily on this part, and we give Bandera an argument in their favor.

          You won’t believe how tired I am of this speculation in pro-Russian Ukrainians, Russians in Ukraine and other fraternities.
          Did we make concessions and what did we get? The next muzzle ... we did. We gave privileges, and we were accused that Belarusians, for example, get more. We tried to celebrate the Soviet Victories together, but received the celebration of the Nazis and spitting aside veterans.
          The fact that Ukraine is divided does not see only the deaf-deaf-mute ... And even that, probably, it feels like that. I talked about this for a long time. And what in the east the nationalists elected to power also said.
          And about Ukrainian goods, the guys should take into account that friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart. Only Russian, Belarusian and Kazakh are kept together. The rest of the tobacco is not ours and we do not pretend to it.
    2. Lexo
      Lexo 12 September 2013 13: 49
      -1
      100% = you do not like people and Georgians ... all kinds of mockery of my nations .. you are even ready to beat and kill people of "other" nationalities on the street ... and what kind of Friends and Brothers you are after that :(
    3. OZI-2013
      OZI-2013 12 September 2013 18: 22
      0
      And Moldova is kicked in the same direction:
  • domokl
    domokl 11 September 2013 11: 31
    +5
    Quote: Natalia
    , well, maybe they haven’t asked for NATO yet

    This is for now. It is simply because the East will be against the majority, and the army and police of Ukraine will not be able to cope on their own. Yanukovych has exactly one option ...
  • KILLAvolt
    KILLAvolt 11 September 2013 09: 31
    16
    Yanukovych is a prostitute!
  • bereg
    bereg 11 September 2013 12: 18
    +2
    Listen, and in the geyropa there were still normal people or Gerard the last to whom the thread was not turned
  • Corneli
    Corneli 11 September 2013 17: 25
    -2
    Quote: Denis
    Quote: vitek1233
    Yanukovych as Susanin leads Ukraine in the wrong direction

    Welcome to the gay club, there, in the photo, as two Europeans look at Yanukovych (fresh meat).

    Given that one of the 2 x (the one on the left) is the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov - it’s already funny)
    "Nikolay Yanovich Azarov, nee. Smelled (Ukrainian. Mikola Yanovich Azarov, born. December 17, 1947, Kaluga) [1] - Ukrainian political and statesman. The Prime Minister of Ukraine from March 11, 2010 to December 3, 2012, from 3 December 2012 - Acting Prime Minister of Ukraine until the formation of a new government Leader of the Party of Regions of Ukraine Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of several convocations Doctor of Geological and Mineralogical Sciences (1986), Professor (1991). Previously held the post of First Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance of Ukraine (twice - in 2002-2005 and in 2006-2007, both times in the government of Viktor Yanukovych), was the head of the state tax administration of Ukraine in 1996-2002. "
    "Born on December 17, 1947 in Kaluga (RSFSR) [2]. Mother Kvasnikova Ekaterina Pavlovna (1927) [2]. Father Pakhlo Jaan Robertovich (1924), awarded two medals" For Courage "[4]"
    "In 1971 he graduated from the Geological Faculty of the Lomonosov Moscow State University with a degree in RGF (geologist-geophysicist) [2].
    From 1971 to 1976 - the head of the site, the chief engineer in the Tulashakhto drainage trust of the Tulaugol plant [2].
    In 1976-1984 - head of the laboratory, head of the department of the Moscow Research and Design Coal Institute in the city of Novomoskovsk, Tula Region [2].
    In 1984 he moved to the Ukrainian SSR [2]. "
    Favorite character of the 95 Quarter, on the topic of communication in Ukrainian))))
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvuX4RMuR-Q
    P.S. Favorite people of my mother-in-law (Russian from St. Petersburg)
    1. Volodin
      11 September 2013 17: 45
      +4
      Oleg, either I did not understand what photo in your comment is about, or you confused the Prime Minister of Ukraine Azarov with van Rompuy ... If you are talking about the photo for the article, then here it is Rompuy and Barroso (these are the ones in the photo "expect "Yanukovych). Azarova in the photo is mute. smile
      1. MG42
        MG42 11 September 2013 18: 30
        +4
        Quote: Volodin
        Oleg, either I didn’t understand what kind of photo in your comment we are talking about, or you confused the Prime Minister of Ukraine Azarov with van Rompuy

        Really strange >> how a citizen of Ukraine could confuse Mykola Azarov with Herman Van Rompuyeat? so it’s only just to place the accent .. laughing
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 11 September 2013 19: 07
          +2
          Quote: Volodin
          Oleg, either I did not understand what photo in your comment is about, or you confused the Prime Minister of Ukraine Azarov with van Rompuy ... If you are talking about the photo for the article, then here it is Rompuy and Barroso (these are the ones in the photo "expect "Yanukovych). Azarova in the photo is mute. smile

          Quote: MG42
          Really strange >> how a citizen of Ukraine could confuse Mykola Azarov with Herman Van Rompuy? so it's correct just to place the emphasis .. laughing

          Damn! (So yes !! That Rompuy!))) And so similar at first glance ... mb they are brothers? laughing
          1. MG42
            MG42 11 September 2013 19: 10
            +4
            Quote: Corneli
            Damn! (So yes !! That Rompuy!))) And so similar at first glance ... mb they are brothers?

            Volodin split you. You write that from Ukraine, this can not be confused .. wassat
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 11 September 2013 19: 17
              0
              Quote: MG42
              Volodin split you. You write that from Ukraine, this can not be confused .. wassat

              It all depends on the amount of "drunk"))) And in fact, the "split" ... Want to argue? Where am I from?)
              1. MG42
                MG42 11 September 2013 19: 20
                +4
                Quote: Corneli
                It all depends on the amount of "drunk")

                Well, at least they did not start saying that poor eyesight .. laughing
                Quote: Corneli
                And in fact, "split" ... Want to argue? Where am I from?)

                Why argue under the shafe, I'm sober now ..? Also say that you recently moved to Ukraine ..
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 11 September 2013 19: 56
                  0
                  Quote: MG42
                  Why argue under the shafe, I'm sober now ..? Also say that you recently moved to Ukraine ..

                  I repeat again):
                  Quote: Corneli
                  Do you want to argue? Where am I from?)

                  Answering your question ... I and my relatives (in the vast majority))) come from Ukraine, even more accurately, Kiev, Kiev region.
                  Either DO NOT write, or argue, (the amount of "drunk" does not affect the fact of my birth or nationality))))
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 11 September 2013 20: 03
                    +3
                    How can you mix up your prime minister, who has been occupying this chair for several years now? crying
                    Just need to get moonshine to drink at the most I can’t, but since you get on the clave and all the more without errors and punctuation marks, then ...
                    I’m not Stanislavsky of course, but I don’t believe ..
                  2. Corneli
                    Corneli 11 September 2013 20: 13
                    0
                    Quote: MG42
                    How can you not recognize your prime minister who has been crying for more than one year in a row
                    Just need to get moonshine to drink at the most I can’t, but since you get on the clave and all the more without errors and punctuation marks, then ...
                    I’m not Stanislavsky of course, but I don’t believe ..

                    Easily) The same bald, gray-haired bespectacled man)))) (all the more so, to be honest, I laid on Rompuy, as I rarely see him (although we kind of peel on the gums with the EU ...) In fact ... low alcohol and lack of sleep, to Unfortunately, this is a fact (as well as the fact that I regularly make extremely stupid mistakes ... confusing letters ((((but the signs of pinning, my teacher at school hammered me for a long time)))
                    P.S. so argue? or weak? You are writing the 3rd post, but you are afraid to argue ((Are you from Ukraine? That is, to "prove" who I can personally)
                  3. MG42
                    MG42 11 September 2013 20: 24
                    +3
                    I expressed my thoughts, there’s nothing to add, but the flag can be hung by ANYONE if you wish, here you can only judge your IP address, clean or proxy ..
                  4. Corneli
                    Corneli 11 September 2013 20: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: MG42
                    I expressed my thoughts, there’s nothing to add, but the flag can be hung by ANYONE if you wish, here you can only judge your IP address, clean or proxy ..

                    Dear GM, I am beginning to dislike your cheto "congresses2 ...
                    1. I admitted that I was confused (comparable to ordinary forum users MISSING achievement))
                    2. Explained why
                    3. In response to your "suspicions" he offered to prove ... more than once!
                    4. So what's the problem? There is, for example, such a program as "skype"))) There is a PM here on the forum, where I can communicate and leave contact information, there is an opportunity to meet in person ... in the end !!! I have been living in Kiev for over 34 years !!! And I'm not going to leave !!!)
                    If, personally, YOU !!! Suddenly !! (What are you afraid of? (Don't translate "arrows" on me!
                  5. MG42
                    MG42 11 September 2013 21: 21
                    +5
                    Well the simplest question >> where is this place in the photo and what is under the glass on Khreshchatyk?
                  6. rolik
                    rolik 11 September 2013 21: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: MG42
                    Well the simplest question >> where is this place in the photo and what is under the glass on Khreshchatyk?

                    And the answer to this question was ???? Or am I missing something ????
                  7. Corneli
                    Corneli 11 September 2013 21: 39
                    0
                    Quote: MG42
                    Ok, simplest question >>

                    I want the simplest answer: Are you UKRAINIAN? IF YES WHERE FROM? AND WHY 4 TIMES AFRAID TO ANSWER? Nafig "the simplest questions, if you have Skype and mobile phones? If there is an opportunity to meet in the same hypothetical" Globe ", if you are Ukrainian? What are you afraid of?
                    And poke pictures from different angles ... or answer the question: "what is this" ... if I send you a photo of the Eiffel Tower or the Statue of Liberty ... and you answer ... are you French and are you an American?)
                  8. MG42
                    MG42 11 September 2013 21: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: Corneli
                    I live in Kiev for more than 34 years !!! And I'm not going to move !!!)

                    I asked how an elementary question is for a Kievite, the truth is that it consists of 2 small questions, and you translate a question to me into a question of an arrow ... wassat
                    Quote: Corneli
                    I want the simplest answer

                    Unlike you, I don’t confuse my prime minister, even if I’m even a bunch .. laughing
                  9. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 11 September 2013 22: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: MG42
                    Unlike you, I don’t confuse my prime minister, even if I’ll be a bunch

                    Pulled very wide good

                    Anyone can be vibrated, like a dish for every taste, but each has its own raisins. wink
                  10. MG42
                    MG42 11 September 2013 23: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Pulled very wide

                    And what did Garik Martirosyan do at a party with Medvedev together .. At whose expense is this banquet?
                    Below Tymoshenko with her husband Alexander, he now received watered. refuge in the Czech Republic, she sits, or rather lies in a Kharkov hospital ..
                2. Corneli
                  Corneli 12 September 2013 00: 35
                  0
                  Quote: MG42
                  I asked how an elementary question for a Kievite, the truth is that it consists of 2 small questions, and you translate a question to me into a question of an arrow ... wassat

                  And as for a "Ukrainian" or "Kievite" I don't have to be in the "globe"!) For I don't hang out in pop boutiques, old too). But what is it (on your photo), I wrote it off ... not in a direct current)))) Read my post above) laughing
                  AND NOW ALREADY A REAL QUESTION: YOU, MG42, LIVE IN UKRAINE? I like it EXTREMELY DREAMED) If so, why how xs ... who turn on the "frost"? I wrote about skype, cell phone, and the meeting in Kiev ... Don't you think that I’ll go to Kiev from where to meet YOU?) (And even with a passport and a dispute, at least for a box of cognac)? repeat
                  And here you are, entot Vorosets, OLDLY, bypass ... for the 5th TIME !!! I conclude.
                3. MG42
                  MG42 12 September 2013 01: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Corneli
                  NOW THE REAL QUESTION IS ALREADY ALREADY: DO YOU LIVE IN UKRAINE?

                  Look at the checkbox lol Have you seen this? No i live in peru in south america wassat
                  Honestly, a boring discussion ... yes, and I get up early tomorrow ..
                4. MG42
                  MG42 12 September 2013 01: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: Corneli
                  For I am not hanging out in pop boutiques, too old). But what is it (in your photo), I wrote

                  P / S if a girl was hiding under a mask, then we would meet, but I don’t see the point .. at least for now. By the way, the photo is far non poppin boutique wassat and even not at all a boutique and not a trade and not an office, and the fact that under the glass there not only meant that right under the dome, the Kievite could not not know, the main thing is that Google does not break in search ..
                  Just a funny video .. drove no offense >>
                  Quote: Corneli
  • alone
    alone 11 September 2013 22: 31
    +3
    Quote: MG42
    Volodin split you. You write that from Ukraine, this can not be confused ..


    what for the photo? You can scare the kids who do not want to sleep on time wassat
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 September 2013 22: 39
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      what for the photo? You can scare the kids who do not want to sleep on time

      In the photo, European Commissioner Catherine Ashton and Herman Van Rompuy are smiling. wassat
  • mejik
    mejik 11 September 2013 08: 26
    35
    There is no need to insult Susanin, He is a hero and did a noble cause — he saved his country from invaders. And Yanukovych, just the opposite. He is a traitor to his own people. Judas! It is necessary to apply analogies correctly.
    1. KILLAvolt
      KILLAvolt 11 September 2013 09: 39
      +8
      Ukraine will fall apart, like the USSR in its time, if you remember which peoples inhabit it and the history of the formation of its modern borders. And then Yanukovych, like Gorbachev, will live in London ... Money, cars, a house-apartment ... and all the same, he’ll torment his conscience!
      1. alone
        alone 11 September 2013 20: 23
        +1
        ))) I remembered that when Yanukovych was in opposition to Yushchenko, such kind words were spoken about him everywhere)))))

        and conscience torment all the same buuuuudet!


        do you think humpback is tormenting conscience? the hunchback had not had him since birth; otherwise he would not have sold the country for a bonus
    2. vitek1233
      vitek1233 11 September 2013 12: 16
      +1
      Yes, I did not want to denigrate Susanin with such a comparison. If you compare Ukraine with a ship, then this ship under the control of Yanukovych rushes to the rocks
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 11 September 2013 09: 39
    10
    Quote: vitek1233
    Yanukovych as Susanin
    He is not Susanin, but a shoe on Susanin's leg. Where the owner goes, there is the boot ... request
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 11 September 2013 10: 00
    +9
    Quote: vitek1233
    Yanukovych as Susanin leads Ukraine in the wrong direction


    I hate to talk about where Yanukovych is leading Ukraine, but I can offer for reading three "joyless" news for the lads:

    1. Russia intends to invite Kazakh companies to invest in the construction of the port of Taman, so that after the completion of the project, the Union can get an alternative to transshipment of cargo through Ukraine and the Baltic states.

    http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27772/

    issue under consideration.

    2.Putin's adviser promised default to Ukraine in six months
    Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/594014-sovetnik-putina-poobeschal-ukraine-defolt-chere

    z-polgoda.html


    http://www.unian.net/news/594014-sovetnik-putina-poobeschal-ukraine-defolt-chere

    z-polgoda.html


    3. The economic decline continues: GDP fell another 0,5%

    http://economics.puls.kiev.ua/finances/192992.html

    Good day to all! especially to Ukrainians
    1. smile
      smile 11 September 2013 13: 00
      +3
      seller trucks
      It’s sad of course .... but Yanukovych’s answers have already been prepared for his people — in the impending death of the Ukrainian economy, we will be appointed guilty — some Ukrainian apologists for entering the European yoke have already voiced this — they say that the revengeful Russia will certainly spoil our blood, etc. and so on .... so, what should be expected in Ukraine a surge of anti-Russian propaganda ... and it will affect many, unfortunately ...
      1. Alligator_S
        Alligator_S 11 September 2013 13: 07
        +8
        I think the Ukrainian people will understand that the terrible end awaiting us is primarily the result of the fact that Ukraine itself turned to Russia. And I would like to add that this was done a long time ago. And we from Ukraine see that Russia endured us for a long time and anxiously tried to persuade us despite our rudeness. Just now, Ukraine is not the people of Ukraine, but those in power.
        1. smile
          smile 11 September 2013 19: 01
          +1
          Alligator_S
          Thank you .... But we are not gifts either ... :)))) so that you and I should not sprinkle ashes on our heads, but do something ... damn it, I can’t imagine what you can do, you in place should be more visible ...
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 11 September 2013 13: 39
        +4
        Quote: smile
        - in the impending death of the Ukrainian economy, we will be appointed guilty


        Vladimir, you greatly underestimate people, you don’t have to have seven spans on your forehead to understand who is to blame, Ukraine has made a choice in favor of the EU, and they will get what they deserve. It’s understandable that we blamed for all the troubles, but it’s more tradition, not common sense.

        Quote: smile
        .so what should be expected in Ukraine surge of anti-Russian propaganda


        Well what can I say, already:

        The Ukrainian population, in a fit of patriotism, is already refusing Russian goods - these are the consequences of the Kremlin-initiated trade war with Kiev.

        http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/459406.html

        Azarov accused Russia of not fulfilling promises

        http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/459392.html


        Yanukovych to the organizers of the referendum on Ukraine's accession to the Customs Union: "Don't look for adventures on your f *** ing"

        http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/ukraina/1706043.html#ixzz2eZBzUhLe
        1. smile
          smile 11 September 2013 19: 05
          +1
          seller trucks
          You know, I would very much like to make a mistake ... very, very .... but look, even here there are so many independent people. fooled by propaganda ... here you have presented an excellent selection-total propaganda cannot but work at least to some extent .... well, wait and see ...
    2. rolik
      rolik 11 September 2013 14: 15
      +5
      [quote = seller trucks] 2. Putin's adviser promised Ukraine a default in six months
      Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/594014-sovetnik-putina-poobeschal-ukraine-defolt-chere

      Now returning through Ukraine, just what I heard on the local radio. But in response, it was said that the Ukrainian economy is on a tremendous boom, and everything is good, just super, and that there will be no default. And under the wheels of my car there were potholes and patches, and the patches were laid one on top of the other.
      1. Alligator_S
        Alligator_S 11 September 2013 14: 31
        +5
        And under the wheels of my car there were potholes and patches, and the patches were laid one on top of the other.

        I confirm! Even in Kiev this spring the roads were probably in the worst condition from what I saw during the time of "nezalezhnosti". And after the coming spring, I'm afraid that only the directions will remain. I need to buy a tractor wassat
        1. Slobozhanin
          Slobozhanin 11 September 2013 23: 52
          +1
          Quote: Alligator_S
          And under the wheels of my car there were potholes and patches, and the patches were laid one on top of the other.

          I confirm! Even in Kiev this spring the roads were probably in the worst condition from what I saw during the time of "nezalezhnosti". And after the coming spring, I'm afraid that only the directions will remain. I need to buy a tractor wassat

          Come to Kharkov. Our roads are much better than in Kiev, this year they perfectly repaired. If you insist on a tractor ... we will choose you at HTZ :)
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 11 September 2013 14: 40
        +5
        Quote: rolik
        But in response, it was said that the Ukrainian economy is booming, and everything is good, just super, and that there will be no default.


        laughing Well, what could they say on the radio?

        Ukrainian manufacturers of dishes on the verge of ruin due to the sanctions of the Customs Union

        http://nr2.com.ua/kiev/459161.html

        By the way, you did not watch Ukrainian TV channels? personally, I have not seen anywhere that they would sing and dance so much, youkar babai, every day is a holiday.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 11 September 2013 17: 33
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          laughing Well, what could they say on the radio?
          Ukrainian manufacturers of dishes on the verge of ruin due to the sanctions of the Customs Union
          http://nr2.com.ua/kiev/459161.html
          By the way, you did not watch Ukrainian TV channels? personally, I have not seen anywhere that they would sing and dance so much, youkar babai, every day is a holiday.

          See how wonderful it is? They also did not sign the famous "FTA", but already on the verge of ruin because of ... And why love the oligarchs of Russia, after that?)
          Well, about the "holidays", look at the Russian TV channels ... there also seems to be no "mourning") everything is super, everything is great, we will rise, immeasurably dough, new technologies, everyone began to respect and love Russia, ordinary citizens live as, any "gayropeans" never dreamed of! ... and so on and so on.
          P.S. Continuous "VICTORY !!!"
        2. rolik
          rolik 11 September 2013 21: 11
          +1
          Quote: seller trucks
          You did not watch Ukrainian TV channels? personally, I haven’t seen anywhere so much singing and dancing, youkar babai, every day is a holiday.

          There are two channels in Bulgaria. On one, 24 hours a day, folk songs in all kinds of arrangements, on the second stage there is local pop music))))) with dances and half-naked young ladies))))
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 20: 07
      0
      Quote: seller trucks
      Good day to all! especially to Ukrainians

      AND? You (or rather litter, YOUR authorities have to listen, so for 20 years we have been "falling apart" ... we are falling apart, but we are falling down ... we will not fall apart in any way ....) About "your" clown (and he is there in this repertoire, with his "Vangov" forecasts) Glazyev, then well, he is not an authority ... he is just a "CLOWN"! His "task", at the moment, is to "voice" terrible predictions and the difference from the same pro-Western "wang" (from the US administration, for example) is only in his citizenship and interest. The truth is there approx. the same ... current "forecasts")
      1. rolik
        rolik 11 September 2013 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        AND? You (or rather litter, to listen to YOUR authorities, so for 20 years we have been "falling apart" ... we are falling apart, but falling ... we are not falling apart ....)

        Cool you)))) is not even funny.
        I already looked at your roads. I compared them with the Belarusian roads, our roads (we had such in the Region for 95-97 years). This is enough to understand how bad everything is in Ukraine.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 11 September 2013 23: 05
          0
          Quote: rolik
          I already looked at your roads. I compared them with the Belarusian roads, our roads (we had such in the Region for 95-97 years).

          Novel belay do you live in Moscow and do not go outside the MKAD?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQw2Z7SfiDI

          I especially recommend looking at the link from "Yu-Tube".
          And why the hell do you, how do a resident of Russia bother with roads in a foreign country? drinks
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 11 September 2013 23: 39
            0
            There is fresh, this year.



            I will not continue further.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 12 September 2013 00: 06
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              I will not continue further.

              Where did you come from in Rostov-on-Don? From any zadryshchensk? The Krasnodar-Rostov highway is not one single-level intersection, multi-lane, you can drive on it on racing cars.
  • don.kryyuger
    don.kryyuger 11 September 2013 14: 04
    +1
    Yes, but Susanin led enemies deliberately, but what about Yanukovych?
  • vjhbc
    vjhbc 11 September 2013 22: 22
    0
    or maybe it’s right, you need to bring the situation to the point of absurdity and break Ukraine into 5 parts east of Russia north of Belarus northwest Poland southwest of Romania and Crimea of ​​Turkey or Russia
    Quote: vitek1233
    Yanukovych as Susanin leads Ukraine in the wrong direction
  • Sirs
    Sirs 12 September 2013 03: 36
    +1
    Not fair, one person decided and the state changed orientation.
    And what will Ukraine do? After all, it wants European concerns to open production, and we know that they see Ukraine as a transshipment base to Russia.
    Don’t leave sister, I know that you will return after fornication.
    IMHO.
  • smirnov
    smirnov 12 September 2013 23: 05
    +1
    Yanukovych is not allowed to sleep peacefully by Gorbachev's "laurels" ...
  • Pit
    Pit 11 September 2013 08: 10
    10
    It's a pity, a pity. The most offensive thing is that people who were not asked for anything, but they decided everything for them, will suffer. Although, which I am surprised, for a long time and practically in any country, the government of the state serves not its people, but those who have "money". And those who have this same "money" most likely will not even find Ukraine on the map.
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 September 2013 08: 57
      12
      Quote: Pit
      . The most annoying thing is that people who haven’t asked anything will suffer

      It's a shame. But they just asked people. All the elections and other Maidan were just with the participation of people. It was just that part of the Ukrainians who hate both Russia and all Russian.
      1. Alligator_S
        Alligator_S 11 September 2013 12: 23
        +8
        The part of Ukrainians who hate both Russia and all Russian simply won.

        In Ukraine, 90% of the population are Russians and Russians who have been convinced that they are Ukrainians. At the same time, only nasty things about Russia are constantly being said on Ukrainian television. But is it really any wonder if it is difficult to find a Russian or a Ukrainian among the richest people of Ukraine and among our parliamentarians and in many branches of government ??? Russia is fiercely hated only in western Ukraine, but being always under someone else's masters, no one is loved there. The rest of the citizens of Ukraine are divided into those who have bullied their brains with this Euro-carrier and who still resist. The number of the latter is quite large, and especially in the Crimea and in the east. Yanukovych, on the other hand, was elected president mainly by residents of the southern and eastern territories. People saw in him an Orthodox person who defended their interests, namely, first of all, friendship with Russia and the interests of the Russian-speaking population, of which there are almost half in Ukraine. In addition, he asked for help from the canonical Orthodox Church (UOC-MP), which during the years of "independence" was once again robbed and persecuted by Catholics, Uniates, schismatics, and other sectarians of all stripes. As a result, all his help to Ukrainian Orthodoxy boiled down to the fact that he attended church services and holidays and did not particularly run to the schismatics. However, thanks for that. In the political mainstream, he once again turned out to be a puppet of the Jewish oligarchy, into which another Tatar got in. It is unlikely that these people love Russia and everything Russian, well, perhaps Russian money, which, under the pretext of helping the fraternal people, they sucked out of Russia. Also, officials of the State Department, the IMF, the European Union and others rule here. These are also 100% Russophobes. What should ordinary citizens of Ukraine do, who dream of the unification of three fraternal peoples, who in fact are one people? I suspect that this condition is allowed to us for the spiritual condition of Ukrainian society. There is a hope that when the head of the schismatics, Filaret, perishes and his followers scatter, then either a force will appear, or even one person who will be overlooked by the current powers that be. And we will finally turn our face to Russia and Belarus. And then we will be together, and together we will be much stronger to resist all the abomination that is spreading across the already impartial world. And before that, do not worry, crush our oligarchs, all these vile leeches in full, the people of Ukraine will not condemn you, and if they condemn, then they will forgive.
        1. artem772
          artem772 11 September 2013 16: 02
          -6
          Not 90%, but 16% according to the latest census. Now, perhaps even less. For comparison, in Latvia ethnic Russians - 28%.
          1. UVB
            UVB 11 September 2013 19: 21
            +3
            You need to read more carefully. it was said: In Ukraine, 90% of the population are Russians and Russians, who have been convinced that they are Ukrainians ... absolutely agree! Do you believe the official census results? But not me! And in my opinion, the column "nationality" was eliminated for a reason in Ukrainian passports. First of all, so that where you need the necessary figure you can put it.
        2. Corneli
          Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 10
          -1
          Quote: Alligator_S
          At the same time, Ukrainian tricks constantly say only nasty things about Russia.

          And in Russia, on TV, they say current compliments? (About Ukraine))
          Quote: Alligator_S
          But is it really worth wondering if it is difficult to find a Russian or a Ukrainian among the richest people of Ukraine and among our parliamentarians and in many branches of government ???

          HM, Have you read the list of the richest people in Russia? Well top 10:
          1. Usmanov, Alisher Burkhanovich (Uzbek)
          2. Vladimir Sergeevich Lisin type Russian (and in the photo, a Jew-Jew))
          3. Alexey Alexandrovich Mordashov (neither found nor searched ... mb, same Russian)
          4. Vladimir Olegovich Potanin (also xs, possibly Russian)
          5. Vagit Yusufovich Alekperov (Azerbaijani)
          6. Mikhail Maratovich Fridman (the last name speaks for itself ... by the way from Lviv by birth))
          7. Mikhail Dmitrievich Prokhorov (I think, who needs to find himself, we will consider Russian)
          8. Viktor Feliksovich Vekselberg (Jew, I think it is clear)
          9. Roman Arkadevich Abramovich (I also think everyone knows who)
          10. Leonid Viktorovich Mikhelson (probably ALSO Russian !!!))
          These are the top 10 oligarchs in Russia. Of which there can be as many as 4 !!! Russians !!! and then WELL VERY not sure, just digging into the biography. So what about the "richest Ukrainians" keep quiet and look at your own!
          Quote: Alligator_S
          I suspect that this condition was allowed to us for the spiritual state of Ukrainian society. There is hope that when the head of the schismatics Filaret disappears and his followers scatter, then either power or even one person appears who is blotted out by the current powers that be. And we finally turn to face Russia and Belarus. And then we will be together, and together we will be much stronger to withstand all the abomination that is spreading through the already unpleasant world.

          Previously, I "missed" a lot of water and lyrics. But about the ROC ... oh, you would be silent ... I PERSONALLY KNOW 10 people who fled from the ROC (and the Russian Federation) with their families in the 90s (for criticizing p..sti and p ... filia)! And they were not just "admonished" there, but quite specifically they were going to bang (together with their families! For it is not necessary to expose "highly placed" Russian peds!)
          Well, further ... I'm waiting for an example from the "people of Russia" in the pressure of "leeches" (start with the type of "Russian" oligarchs Mona), perverts (in the Russian Orthodox Church, for a start ... BURN ma ... them ... ON THE SCREW! !! ped ... of paganyh!). And then start condemning Ukraine!
    2. rolik
      rolik 11 September 2013 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: Pit
      . The most annoying thing is that people who haven’t asked anything

      that is, normal people (I’m not talking about Western Ukraine, I wasn’t), but they drove them into a corner in full. And it is absolutely true that they will suffer. Local rich Pinocchio, will live quietly (especially Pinocchio in power) for a while. While the owner, for reliability, will not put his guys, and then Maidans and other delights of life will begin. It will only be too late, they will be beaten up by the police and troops.
      From this trap will not get out a little blood. When financial dependence and commodity dependence will completely depend on the EU and Uncle Sam, only then will it become clear that interest-free loans from good uncles do not exist.
  • klip07
    klip07 11 September 2013 08: 12
    11
    Brothers Slavs (sure that not all of the population of Ukraine) decided to transform into a European prostitute ... sorry! when they understand the mistake, it will be too late ... but Yanukovych will go down in history under the name Mazepa-2 ... once again, it’s a pity for the Slav brothers ....
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 September 2013 09: 01
      +6
      Quote: klip07
      (I’m sure that not the entire population of Ukraine) decided to transform into a European prostitute ..

      Naturally. In Ukraine there is no single people. The hatred of the east and west rolls over. When there is an ideological war there is always a winner and a loser. The zapadents have won. And here's how it will come back to Ukraine itself. In my opinion, the next step, if of course Yanukovych wants maintain the unity of the country should be the introduction of NATO troops with police functions. Otherwise, the collapse ...
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 11 September 2013 10: 21
        +4
        I don’t know how for anyone, but for me Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are one country. Everything that happens in Ukraine is like a nightmare inspired by Western Russophobic propaganda. Yanukovych is a liar and a traitor to his deceived people. Western gorillas rub their hands, their dream comes true : the divorce of Ukraine and Russia; I believe that all this is temporary, otherwise it cannot be.
      2. Slobozhanin
        Slobozhanin 12 September 2013 00: 07
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: klip07
        (I’m sure that not the entire population of Ukraine) decided to transform into a European prostitute ..

        Naturally. In Ukraine, there is no single people. The hatred of the east and west rolls over.

        What nonsense? I myself am from Kharkov, I VERY often work on the right bank of the Dnieper from Zhytomyr to Uzhgorod. No one has ever said a crooked word, local people broke down near Lviv for free where they got to nada. I always wondered where in Russia they decided that we here hate each other? There are disagreements, but with each generation they are decreasing.
  • mnbv199
    mnbv199 11 September 2013 08: 14
    -2
    Brothers Ukrainians!
    Read
    Think
    Draw conclusions
    And make a decision
    Be healthy!
    1. mnbv199
      mnbv199 11 September 2013 08: 17
      +2
      I want to add more ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 11 September 2013 08: 24
        17
        So after all do not give a referendum to hold for the vehicle! The court forbids, and the preliminary meeting, which was held by the Communist Party of Ukraine, has already been declared unlawful and has already been sued (the same Klitschko with his pack). Well, by the way
        Ukrainian elite will receive billions of dollars for association with the EU
        There are unknown nuances regarding the essence of the deal between the ruling regime of Yanukovych and the West.
        This was told by the adviser to Vladimir Putin on the Customs Union, Sergei Glazyev in an interview with Echo of Moscow.
        He said that he had a conversation with one very informed person who said that despite common sense, Ukraine would nevertheless sign an association agreement.
        “This (association agreement, - ed.) Undermines the electoral base of the existing government in Ukraine, because they were held in the elections with the slogan of being friends with Russia, and instead, Russia worsens the trade regime and, conversely, fencing off from Russia,” he said.
        According to Glazyev, an informed insider told him about accounts abroad.
        “They have accounts abroad, they have houses, property, capital there. Knowledgeable people showed them that these accounts are known. There is such a procedure - the fight against the laundering of illegally obtained income. The tools to combat illegal proceeds will be applied to the Ukrainian political establishment in full. ”
        Putin's adviser believes that sanctions will be applied in any case.
        “We don’t remember Milosevic, or what, we don’t remember Lazarenko, who is in America? If the Western machine is determined to fight the laundering of illegally obtained money, it will do so. Interpol will work. If she has already received the order, then she is just waiting for a signal.
        In addition, he announced that the Ukrainian elite will receive billions of dollars.
        “Plus they were promised 30 billion dollars.” About the same thing happens that happened many times in history, ”Glazyev concluded.
        http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/235865

        30bn / 45,05mln = 666 $ apiece. The number of the Beast. By chance ?
        1. domokl
          domokl 11 September 2013 09: 06
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          So after all do not give a referendum to hold for the vehicle!

          Everything is according to the law ... Such decisions are made by the president and the government in agreement with the Rada. And these institutions are already under the hood.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 11 September 2013 10: 43
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Everything is according to the law ... Such decisions are made by the president and the government in agreement with the Rada. And these institutions are already under the hood.

            You are mistaken, dear Alexander!
            The procedure for the preparation and conduct of referenda is determined by the Constitution of Ukraine, the Law of Ukraine of July 3, July 1991.
            An exclusively all-Ukrainian referendum resolves questions on the realization of the right of the people of Ukraine to self-determination and to enter or exit state federal and confederal entities.
            The appointment of referenda at the request of citizens of Ukraine and deputies of Ukraine. The Supreme Council of Ukraine makes a decision on holding an all-Ukrainian referendum on the issues of: approval or cancellation of the Constitution of Ukraine, early termination of powers of the Supreme Council of Ukraine; President of Ukraine if at least 3 million citizens of Ukraine require it,
            Citizens of Ukraine who have the right to participate in a referendum and demand its holding in Ukraine or within the framework of the relevant administrative-territorial units, they exercise this right by creating, in the established manner, initiative groups for the collection of signatures under the requirement to hold an all-Ukrainian or local referendum.
            Education and functions of referendum initiative groups. The initiative group of the all-Ukrainian and local (regional and city) referendum of at least 20 people. formed at a meeting of citizens of Ukraine, in which at least 200 of persons entitled to participate in the referendum participate.
            The procedure and terms for collecting signatures of citizens by initiative groups. From the moment you receive a certificate of registration the initiative group has the right to organize and freely collect signatures on the issue of the All-Ukrainian referendum - for 3 months, and the local referendum - one month.
            http://sushicatering.com.ua/?Zakonodatelmzstvo_o_referendumah

            That is precisely the initiative group and the collection of signatures are already blocked by all means! Well, we have not had time to change this article in the Constitution!
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 11 September 2013 12: 21
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              That is precisely the initiative group and the collection of signatures are already blocked by all means!

              Fidget, give a link to the group. Surely there is a nete.
              It will be interesting to sign the petition.
              1. El13
                El13 11 September 2013 16: 22
                +1
                That is why Russia should not secretly finance the collection of signatures in support of the referendum on Ukraine's accession to the CU and contribute to its holding, because the result of this referendum will be the decision of the Ukrainian people, and not interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine by Russia and forcing it to join. But such funding and "assistance" will make it possible to overcome the resistance of the elites who defend their interests and do not allow a nationwide vote. I think it will be even cheaper than the losses that will be from trade wars.
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: El13
                  That is why Russia should not secretly finance the collection of signatures in support of the referendum on Ukraine's accession to the CU and contribute to its holding, because the result of this referendum will be the decision of the Ukrainian people, and not interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine by Russia and forcing it to join. But such funding and "assistance" will make it possible to overcome the resistance of the elites who defend their interests and do not allow a nationwide vote. I think it will be even cheaper than the losses that will be from trade wars.

                  You are terribly naive (no offense) A long time ago they did (and did), like the "West", in fact. It's just that the Russian authorities cannot NORMALLY and ADEQUATE organize something like this and take advantage of the "fruits", it seems much easier for them to arrange a "gas war" or a "customs war" and then "be surprised" !? belay And why are these Ukrainians stupid? we screwed them "screws", and they STILL don't like us anymore? recourse
                  1. El13
                    El13 11 September 2013 18: 34
                    +1
                    I can agree with you in the part that we do not have the appropriate structures that would competently do this, as they do, for example, intelligence. It is surprising that such gaps as the information policy (RT channel, for example) and the strategy of geopolitical behavior are being closed (quietly) (you must admit that in recent years there has been a serious reckoning in foreign policy activities, which was not there ten years ago and we rushed about like a maritime boat) , more or less competent financial policy, but in matters of the impact on citizens of neighboring countries such work is not felt.
                    And I do not agree that the "gas and customs wars" are a failed policy. Remember the behavior of Russia in Central Asia, they also said that Russia is losing ground, giving them to the states, that everything needs to be done wrong, and after years it brings tangible results and, oddly enough, these countries are beginning to quietly, no matter what , turn around and snuggle up to Mother Russia. I may be naive and believe in the subtle calculation of our guide, but it works ... let's see what happens in this case.
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 11 September 2013 20: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: El13
                      I can agree with you in the part that we do not have the appropriate structures that would competently do this, as they do, for example, intelligence.

                      As far as I heard ... there is. But there is no normal experience. But with intelligence, as for me, on the contrary ... the staff was lost (not only Russia in other matters ()
                      Quote: El13
                      It is surprising that such gaps as the information policy (RT channel, for example) are being closed (quietly),

                      Here is a PLUS! Certainly! It is high time to "VOICE OF RUSSIA" Switch on! And Let the democrats otmazyvayutsya ...) in their homeland ...
                      Quote: El13
                      a strategy of geopolitical behavior (you must admit that in recent years there has been a serious calculation in foreign policy, which was not there ten years ago and we rushed about like a maritime boat),

                      I didn’t expect to expect sanity from EBN ... Putin is quite literate, but not the fact that the "stick" will not bend ... (in fact, his "beginning" was just a BOMB! But 10 years have passed, you need to live not only in the past, but also adjust to the present)
                      Quote: El13
                      And I do not agree that the "gas and customs wars" are a failed policy. Remember the behavior of Russia in Central Asia, they also said that Russia is losing ground, giving them to the states, that everything needs to be done wrong, and after years it brings tangible results and, oddly enough, these countries are starting to quietly, no matter what , turn around and snuggle up to Mother Russia.

                      The war with our Yushch and the cancellation of "gas at 50" ended with gas at 100 from Turkmenistan (out of the blue GAZPROM dumped prices, anyhow Ukraine did not buy ... and as a result they were sent and pushed the price not 65, as GAZPROM wanted, raising for others , and 100 + current is already for Russia ... unexpected) And how are they relations with the Turkmen? (and the joke was in 2006 !!! Russia and Ukraine were selling gas at the old price before those "Gazprom" numbers)
                      Quote: El13
                      I may be naive and believe in the delicate calculation of our leadership, but it works ... let's see what happens in this case.

                      Anything can be ... I'm definitely not a "wang" ala Glazyev, who knows how to make predictions for every day) In the meantime:
                      "Ukraine and German gas trader RWE Supply & Trading GmbH have signed a new contract for the supply and storage of gas.
                      Recall that Ukraine and RWE signed a contract for the supply of natural gas with an annual volume of up to 5 billion cubic meters in February. In 2012, a German gas trader sold 56 million cubic meters of gas to Naftogaz of Ukraine.
                      The government said that the gas that Ukraine buys from RWE costs $ 100 less than Russian. Now Ukraine is buying Russian gas at $ 400 per thousand cubic meters.
                      As you know, in April 2013, reverse deliveries from Hungary began. Negotiations are also underway with gas transmission operators in Slovakia and Romania. In total, Ukraine hopes to pump up to 7 billion cubic meters of gas a year from Europe. "
                  2. rolik
                    rolik 11 September 2013 21: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Corneli
                    . It’s just that the Russian authorities cannot NORMALLY and ADEQUATE organize such

                    Already organized the coming of Yanukovych to power and helped him in various ways. They helped .... until the old song about the main thing went. give ... give more ... more and more give. give.
                    Guys, get out of the freebies. even here you are talking about YOU GIVING DOUBLE again to CHANGE YOUR POWER. Have you tried to work yourself?
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 11 September 2013 21: 41
                      -1
                      Quote: rolik
                      Already organized the coming of Yanukovych to power and helped him in various ways. They helped .... until the old song about the main thing went. give ... give more ... more and more give. give.

                      And the first came!
                      Quote: rolik
                      Guys, get out of the freebies. even here you are talking about YOU GIVING DOUBLE again to CHANGE YOUR POWER. Have you tried to work yourself?

                      year 2013!!! 3 years have passed !!!! It’s as if they had beaten you for a long time, it’s a hysteria in the Kremlin! (
                      1. rolik
                        rolik 11 September 2013 23: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Corneli
                        ! It’s as if they had beaten you for a long time, it’s a hysteria in the Kremlin! (

                        Is the Kremlin hysterical ??? Unlike Ukraine, the "damned Ukrainians" are not to blame for everything))) We are not looking for an enemy in our neighbor, we are not asking for handouts, we are not standing with an outstretched hand.
                        So, rather, the Kremlin scored on you, now you don’t have a straw to grab onto. And the EU will show HOW it is necessary to correctly calculate the money)))) and how to EARN them)))) For each given euro cent, they will take five. Just arrived from Bulgaria, there people fully feel the beauty of the role of a poor relative visiting rich relatives.
                        In the first quarter of 2013, the number of unemployed in Bulgaria reached 456.5 thousand people, 58.6% of which are men and 41.4% are women. Compared to the first quarter of 2012, the number of unemployed in Bulgaria increased by 8.3%, data from the National Institute of Statistics (NSI) show.
                        Over the same period, the unemployment rate in the country increased by 0.9% and in the first quarter of 2013 amounted to 13.8%.
                        Among men, unemployment increased by 0.6% to 15.1%, and among women - by 1.2% to 12.2%.
                        The number of permanent unemployed (from a year or more) amounted to 250.8 thousand people, or 55% of all unemployed in the country, and compared to the first quarter of 2012, their number increased by 10.6%.
                        The constant unemployment rate in the first quarter of this year increased by 0.7% and reached 7.6% - respectively 8.7% among men and 6.3% among women.
                        The unemployment rate among the population aged 15 to 29 in the first quarter of 2013 was 23.6% (24.4% among men and 22.6% among women) and increased by 0.6% compared to the first quarter of last year.
                        And this is only official data, in fact it’s even worse.
                        By joining the EU, the saying goes very well:
                        - Come in - do not be afraid, come out - do not cry.
                        And here is an excerpt from the newspaper "Evening Kharkov":
                        - Ukraine inherited from the Soviet past, along with deindustrialization, high unemployment, lack of money and the lack of elevators of social mobility for young people.
                        Here is such gratitude for the rich inheritance inherited from the Union during its division. And why just take it and not write:
                        - Excuse us the people of Ukraine for the fact that we are delinquent .... whether all the wealth that we received after the Belovezhsky section.
                        So it will be more honest.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 11 September 2013 08: 22
    +6
    Thanks Alexey !! Very witty! And Yanuk will have to release Tymoshenko after signing the agreement with the EU or not? Anyway, there has been little to hear about her lately. At least with us. How is she, poor fellow? Does everything lie or has it already begun to walk?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 September 2013 10: 15
      +2
      Quote: retired
      Will Yanuk be obliged to release Timoshenko after signing the agreement with the EU or not? Anyway, there has been little to hear about her lately. At least with us. How is she, poor fellow? Is everything lying or is it already beginning to walk?

      Ltd! And here is an interesting incident. On the one hand, a message flashed in German newspapers that a ward was already being prepared for her at the Charité clinic. But how to send it there? In the EU, there was a question that she should be sent for treatment (or even better, released altogether) BEFORE SIGNING the association. Then the EU said that this issue is of secondary importance (just sign the association with us, not with Russia). Only here Yanuca rests. it is necessary to change the laws (for one person?) And so - well, will she go to be treated, in Europe will be cured and she will be transported back to Ukraine? And here are three pending court cases. Back in the slammer? write a petition for pardon - admit your guilt! But this Madame does not want. How then "political repression"! And the president will not sign a pardon without her application either. So far, diplomats come to her in shuttles. but "I have not received any proposals from the government of Ukraine yet," Madame says. The game goes on - how it ends - we'll see.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 11 September 2013 11: 23
        +3
        In general, I understand that she somewhat overestimated her role in the process of "European integration" ...
        Quote: Egoza
        "I have not received any proposals from the government of Ukraine yet," Madame says.
        But it was fun! Thank you very much Lena !!
      2. Alligator_S
        Alligator_S 11 September 2013 12: 34
        +3
        On the one hand, a message flashed in German newspapers that a ward was already being prepared for her in the Charite clinic.

        Is that sheathed with mats ??? laughing
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 11 September 2013 14: 03
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Will Yanuk be obliged to release Timoshenko after signing the agreement with the EU or not?


      after signing the association, Yanukovych is obliged to marry her wink
      1. Imperial
        Imperial 11 September 2013 15: 03
        +4
        [/ Quote]

        after signing the association, Yanukovych is obliged to marry her wink[/ Quote]
        And he has no other choice, or he has nowhere to go to the registry office or the prosecutor, in Russia his uncle Vova will put him in a corner laughing
  • morpogr
    morpogr 11 September 2013 08: 27
    12
    Over this year, the European Union has shown itself in all its glory, the complete submission and loss of Greek sovereignty, as well as debt bondage. Cyprus defaulted and weaned money from depositors. Discrimination against people of a traditional orientation. Bulgaria will soon be left without residents. And naive Yanukovych thinks that Ukraine needs the EU, the market of Ukraine is needed to earn and remove competitors.
    1. El13
      El13 11 September 2013 16: 35
      +1
      That is clear to everyone for a long time, if a person goes against elementary logic and reasoned arguments, then he is under the influence of other factors unknown to us, according to which it is possible to build assumptions for a long and long time. For this reason, those arguments that we give here, and Glazyev and others from the screens and stands will not have any meaning for this ... subject, because see above. Here, either the people will do something or those underwater counterarguments should MAKE it change their mind and nothing else.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 22
        +3
        Quote: El13
        For this reason, those arguments that we are giving here, and Glazyev and others from the screens and stands will not have any meaning for this

        I personally saw "the arguments of Mr. Glazyev") You can still think with others ... But it is better not to mention him))) There, the guy has already caught up with such a blizzard, that for me, personally, the opinion, as an economist, the clown Popov, will be more authoritative than "Mr. Glazyev"
        1. El13
          El13 11 September 2013 18: 51
          +2
          You know, when I personally saw Glazyev in the conference hall of our institute 20 years ago, it occurred to me that he was a nomenclature party worker, he looked sleek and polished and spoke as well. Then, for the first time, I came across an organized provocation and realized what information war was, because a woman jumped out of the hallway and began to loudly accuse Glazyev of atrocities incomprehensible to the audience, and how this woman, who had nothing to do with our institute, got on performance in a closed institution is incomprehensible.
          But time passed and, oddly enough, I gradually changed my mind about this man, and now his arguments seem convincing to me, and his behavior is patriotic. Your right to perceive it differently, especially since I used to perceive it differently.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 11 September 2013 19: 04
            +1
            Quote: El13
            You know, when I personally saw Glazyev in the conference hall of our institute 20 years ago, it occurred to me that he was a nomenclature party worker, he looked sleek and polished and spoke as well. Then, for the first time, I came across an organized provocation and realized what information war was, because a woman jumped out of the hallway and began to loudly accuse Glazyev of atrocities incomprehensible to the audience, and how this woman, who had nothing to do with our institute, got on performance in a closed institution is incomprehensible.
            But time passed and, oddly enough, I gradually changed my mind about this man, and now his arguments seem convincing to me, and his behavior is patriotic. Your right to perceive it differently, especially since I used to perceive it differently.

            Or maybe everything is a little simpler? (They themselves mentioned an example) Just started to work more competently, get old and not allow very stupid "blunders"? And so that he was "sleek" and voiced what they said ... and stayed ...
  • SlavaS
    SlavaS 11 September 2013 08: 28
    +7
    He betrayed his homeland, the protege Lyakhovsky.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 26
      +2
      Quote: SlavaS
      He betrayed his homeland, the protege Lyakhovsky

      If you are about Yanyka, then ALREADY 2 TIMES !!! Not guessing!) He is a protégé of the Russian missile defense, in extreme cases, pro-Ukrainian (in the sense of our oligarchy, who poop in POLAND from the Ostankino tower!) Well, how do you think further ... whose "MOTHERLAND" did he betray? "MOTHERLAND" of Russia? So he is not a Russian citizen.
      1. El13
        El13 11 September 2013 18: 57
        +2
        We all have a homeland - the USSR, and he betrayed this homeland, something like that, although I would replace the word USSR with the word Rus.
      2. SlavaS
        SlavaS 12 September 2013 14: 26
        0
        I didn’t try to guess, according to Yanukovych’s affairs, associations with False Dmitry simply arise.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 11 September 2013 08: 28
    +4
    This is to be expected - the image of the EU, drawn in the minds of Ukrainians, is much more attractive than the same image of the CU. And add the desires and aspirations of the Ukrainian elite to live in Europe and the Americas. What surprises you?
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 28
      +2
      Quote: serge-68-68
      And add the desires and aspirations of the Ukrainian elite to live in Europe and the Americas. What surprises you?

      And indeed! especially considering that FACT! That the RUSSIAN ELITE lives ALSO in "Europe and America"! but apparently they can!)
  • sashka
    sashka 11 September 2013 08: 29
    +2
    The photo is interesting .. The great and mighty Ukraine and the small and crooked European Union ..
  • Sega
    Sega 11 September 2013 08: 40
    +8
    M yeaaaa ..... Because of some smelly candy .... Kindergarten .... Now all relatives on both sides of the border will have to make visas ... Maybe I don't understand something in politics, but play I would be afraid of the kinship between the two great nations ... I am just an ordinary person just offended that the Ukrainians put up with these politicians. One organized a circus on the Maidan, the second licks the ass of the Europeans, and the people are patiently waiting for a good uncle ... A good uncle will not come, do not hope. We need to start moving ourselves. Every year I go to (to) Ukraine and I do not see any improvements of ordinary people. It only gets worse every year. Prices in stores are rising, but the welfare of ordinary people is not improving (salaries, pensions). Ukrainian (as well as Russian) politicians are focused on the destruction of people who remember what the brotherhood between Ukraine and Russia is. We are Slavs, but as long as the memory of friendship is fresh. After such a decision, and brainwashing, the memory of friendship will soon fade, millions of people on both sides of the border will suffer. There was still not enough bickering between relatives. "Many thanks" to Viktor Yanukovych for his promises and love for the Ukrainian people. It hurts and insults me for our peoples ...
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 September 2013 08: 52
      11
      I’m afraid after the signing, fermentation will begin among the people who do not want to part with Russia, but quite real people can help organize a riot on this basis!
      1. a52333
        a52333 11 September 2013 09: 09
        14
        And the referendum from the separation of the Crimea? fellow
        1. greka
          greka 11 September 2013 10: 12
          10
          And Odessa too !!!

          Damn Yanukovych is not a good person, they voted for him and for the party of regions, after Yushchenko is a Russophobe and sick with Europe and the states, which would change his course in the CIS. And on you and this one there !!!
        2. Corneli
          Corneli 11 September 2013 21: 05
          0
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          I hope after the signing, fermentation will begin among the people who do not want to part with Russia, but quite real people can help organize a riot on this basis!

          Yeah
          Quote: a52333
          And the referendum from the separation of the Crimea? fellow

          Uh-huh ... In favor of Turkey! Are they regularly "wangling" about this right there? So forget about the "Russian" Crimea ... if it goes to the NATO Turks, especially since they also have an FTA with the EU a long time ago!
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: Sega
      A good uncle will not come, do not hope. We need to start moving ourselves. Every year I go to (to) Ukraine and I do not see any improvements of ordinary people. It only gets worse every year. Prices in stores are rising, but the well-being of ordinary people is not improving (salaries, pensions). Ukrainian (as well as Russian) politicians are focused on the destruction of people who remember what the brotherhood between Ukraine and Russia is. We are Slavs, but as long as the memory of friendship is fresh. After such a decision, and brainwashing, the memory of friendship will soon fade, millions of people on both sides of the border will suffer. There was still not enough bickering between relatives. "Many thanks" to Viktor Yanukovych for his promises and love for the Ukrainian people. It hurts and insults me for our peoples ...

      Plus YOU, for it! But about "sweets" (as a reason or even an "excuse" you are wrong! (In this case, this is banal speculation and lies of the "Russian" oligarchy, as an excuse for their failure in politics)
  • shark
    shark 11 September 2013 08: 47
    15
    You know, stepping over the bitterness of the selected vector of Ukraine’s movement, I came to the conclusion that everything that’s being done is for the best. The bets are done, the masks are removed, the hands are untied. Now it’s clear who is who, who is our friend, and who is all this time He was just waiting for a freebie from us ... As they say, a yellow-blackened ensign in their hands!
    1. tor11121
      tor11121 11 September 2013 09: 41
      +5
      Yes, nothing better to be seen here. In essence, we are one people who politicians are bred for their sake. Who has voted in a referendum in Ukraine? a bunch of unfinished Bandera and a few young people with cereal in their heads instead of brains. simple people, as always, will be extreme.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 11 September 2013 08: 50
    +6
    Viktor Yanukovych-come to your senses, take a look at the countries from the Warsaw Treaty Organization that have joined the EU, do not step on the same rake ... This is fraught with Ukraine ...
  • eplewke
    eplewke 11 September 2013 08: 51
    11
    Ukraine has budged and has moved slowly from slope to ravine ... There, in a dark ravine, an economic collapse, a social explosion, a split in the country and buggers everywhere snooping around are waiting ...
    1. Borz
      Borz 11 September 2013 12: 01
      +9
      We will prepare for the apocalypse (I imagined buggers snooping around everywhere, already frost on my skin, br-rr laughing )
  • UVB
    UVB 11 September 2013 08: 52
    17
    No one has ever disappointed like a party of regions with this Yanukovych! Yushchenko, though he did not hide his intentions, but this one went to the polls under the slogan of rapprochement with Russia! I don’t have censorship words to express my attitude, because I always voted for him, like most of us in eastern Ukraine.
    1. Borz
      Borz 11 September 2013 11: 58
      +9
      For us, the inhabitants of the Black Sea region, this slogan was also fundamental in choosing the president. Well, we don’t want to go in embroidered shirts and bow to ghouls Bandera and Shukhevych. Personally, I even spit on their graves (if any).
      1. Borz
        Borz 11 September 2013 12: 28
        +5
        Well, what ..... minus me? What do not like?
        1. smile
          smile 11 September 2013 13: 08
          +5
          Borz
          This is for you Yanukovych angry harbored ... :)))) Now fix it! :)))
        2. Alligator_S
          Alligator_S 11 September 2013 13: 12
          +3
          Well, what ..... minus me? What do not like?

          Yes, just some "Svidomo" have only their own opinion and wrong. So they rage.
          1. Borz
            Borz 11 September 2013 17: 04
            +3
            Yes, I understand everything, Well, but to justify? Just put a minus - the pinnacle of stupidity. I suspect that this was done by the very same "adepts of darkness" from the memory and those who like to put on an embroidered shirt under a business suit :)))
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 11 September 2013 21: 07
            0
            Quote: Alligator_S
            but just some "Svidomo" have only their own opinion and wrong. So they rage.

            Are you sure they were "svidomye"?) Or fans of "embroidered shirts"?
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 18: 59
      +1
      Quote: UVB
      No one has ever disappointed like a party of regions with this Yanukovych! Yushchenko, though he did not hide his intentions, but this one went to the polls under the slogan of rapprochement with Russia! I don’t have censorship words to express my attitude, because I always voted for him, like most of us in eastern Ukraine.

      HZ! You, apparently, did not read HIS campaign promises (Well, or you saw only what you wanted there. For information, FIRST Externally political decree (well, not quite a decree ... and so ... "criticism))) Yanyka, like a preza:" On April 1, 2010, Yanukovych criticized the discussion about the possibility of creating a union of the states of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus [145]. Yanukovych stated that the strategic direction of Ukrainian foreign policy is integration into the European Union [145]. "
      And the second, the next day: "On April 2, 2010, Viktor Yanukovych signed decrees that liquidated the interdepartmental commission on the preparation of Ukraine for joining NATO and the national center for Euro-Atlantic integration, created in 2006 under the presidency of Viktor Yushchenko [146]."
      I could not resist and not make fun of the noobs who believe in the "path to NATO" !!!)
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 September 2013 08: 53
    +3
    Surely the Ukrainian people will figure it out over time. But during this time, what Yanukovych and Co. will not do!
  • Sergeant
    Sergeant 11 September 2013 09: 15
    +9
    The unification of Ukraine with Russia is strategically and economically extremely dangerous (on the verge of a foul) for the West. This is already a clear revival of the Great Power. They cannot allow this in any way. Perhaps this is no less serious than the situation in Syria. The West will go to any lengths to prevent such unity. For Russia, this is very, very relevant, but for some reason this topic is very poorly covered in the media .. Almost nothing. They do not want to draw the people's attention to this issue .. Probably, for someone (in Russia) it is convenient and beneficial: let them worry about Syria, and Ukraine will be "taken away" from under their noses .. irrevocably (they will try to do this.)
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 11 September 2013 09: 33
      +3
      The economic perspective of UKRAINE in this case is the same as that of BULGARIA.
      The way to a dead end - we can safely predict that in the current number of years, young people will begin to leave Ukraine in droves due to unemployment.
      The country will be in debt, there will be no own industry, and many other unpleasant things that we observe in the eastern countries and the Baltic States will become a satellite of UKRAINE-
      Well this is her choice.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 11 September 2013 10: 29
        +3
        we can safely predict that in a nn number of years young people will start leaving Ukraine in droves due to unemployment

        This has been happening for over 20 years. Everyone who has at least the slightest opportunity leaves the country.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 19: 15
      0
      Quote: Sergeant
      The unity of Ukraine with Russia is strategically and economically extremely dangerous (on the verge of a foul) for the West. This is a clear revival of the Great Power.

      So, honestly, I can't understand ... Basically I read here that Ukraine is a ruin ... nothing, only hungry homeless people walk here ... Why should the EU be afraid? That the Ukrainian "homeless people" (we have nothing left !!! do not forget!) Unite with a prosperous Russia? So the opposite! It is necessary to push for this (if you follow the logic of the West, by bringing in Russia) !! To weaken Russia by Ukrainian begging, theft, laziness and greed! Is that logical !?
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 11 September 2013 10: 00
    +5
    As the hero of Papanov said in the film "Cold Summer 53": "I want to live, work."
    So much time wasted. 20 years of empty throwing. The homeland is being destroyed, and the ultimate dream is to work as a guest worker in Europe. Do not plow on their land, but revenge on the clean streets of Europe.
  • 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 11 September 2013 10: 02
    +3
    Officials and politicians will get their spit on the people, only their own benefits, the main thing is that their feeder is full, but for the children to stay. For such agreements, high-ranking officials receive bonuses unambiguously, for them their future is known in advance (houses, yachts and other benefits), and this is really beneficial for the West.
    It’s a pity the fraternal Slavic people, who have already received a lot of persecution all over the world lately !! Stop the ruling elite of Ukraine and believe your head is 180 degrees back !!
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 11 September 2013 10: 03
    12
    Very often I hear (read) that, against this background, "I feel sorry for the brotherly Ukrainian people" ...

    And that's not a pity! I often go to Crimea, of course I talk a lot about these topics with the locals ... Rzhunimagu, many dream of how soon they will become EUROPE .... and all my arguments (like the ones mentioned above) are related to Moskal envy (! !!) or anger from failure to enslave Ukraine.
    And then, you have to choose between laziness and the future of the country, or else on the Maidan with ribbons - already running, and here - quietly ... Does it suit you all?
    In general, no one learns from the mistakes of others, only from their own. Let them study, let me not be sorry.
    1. washi
      washi 11 September 2013 11: 41
      +5
      Little of. The Ukrainian sites are actively discussing the imminent (in 5-20 years) collapse of Russia and the formation, on the basis of Ukraine, of a large Slavic state with the accession of western Russia, Belarus, Poland and the Baltic states (similar to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania)
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 11 September 2013 12: 31
        +2
        Quote: Vasya
        On Ukrainian sites actively discussed

        by the way in Russian LJ segment, this is spoken about no less than on Ukrainian sites. Well this is, in fairness, it is worth noting.
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 11 September 2013 20: 21
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        Little of. The Ukrainian sites are actively discussing the imminent (in 5-20 years) collapse of Russia and the formation, on the basis of Ukraine, of a large Slavic state with the accession of western Russia, Belarus, Poland and the Baltic states (similar to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania)

        Forgive God! AND ON THIS site, and even ON this thread, is discussed / mentioned ... for the umpteenth time) the collapse of Ukraine and the unification / annexation of certain regions to Russia! (And ... in different "ways") I xs ... you are ready, apparently, the microbe on the Ukrainian site to find, and on the site where you yourself write the Amazonian jungle !!! you will not see!)
        1. washi
          washi 13 September 2013 14: 54
          +1
          I wish no country to decay. But I am against violent Ukrainization, stoning, Estonization, etc.
          Why artificially create history, the language of artificially created states?
          I was in Kazakhstan. There, old people from the countryside (Kazakhs) do not always understand their urban grandchildren because of artificially invented words. In Ukraine, the same thing. If I used to understand Ukrainian normally, now I need to think about it.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 11 September 2013 11: 45
      +5
      Quote: Silkway0026
      many dream of how soon they will become EUROPE ....
      The proverb: "One Ukrainian is a Ukrainian, two Ukrainians are a partisan detachment, three Ukrainians are a partisan detachment with a traitor" arose at one time not from scratch ... request
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 11 September 2013 18: 36
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        The proverb: "One Ukrainian is a Ukrainian, two Ukrainians are a partisan detachment, three Ukrainians are a partisan detachment with a traitor" arose at one time not from scratch.

        Looks like you are the third.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 September 2013 10: 04
    +5
    Yanukovych in a couple of years will look just like these two from the EU (pictured ..) laughing Ah Ukraine ...
  • Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 11 September 2013 10: 06
    +4
    Absolutely correct and strategically advantageous solution for Russia. Let the EU break the borders and sweep Ukraine. There are as many dances with tambourines with Belarus as Ukraine would require.
    Any association lives if there is only one center, one head. Here Germany, figuratively speaking, pays for everyone in the EU, and for this it tightens the reins of government for itself. They will make Ukraine one of the provinces, and, in principle, our people will be inside this system, type 5 columns. With perspective.
  • Dim1
    Dim1 11 September 2013 10: 06
    +4
    "ties tightened - blood does not flow to the brain ..." very accurately noted
  • alebor
    alebor 11 September 2013 10: 08
    +3
    I do not want to say that I like the current policy of the Ukrainian leadership, but do not look at this problem from the other side? Maybe in this policy as in a mirror we will see a reflection of ourselves? It is difficult for me, a resident of Russia, to objectively judge, but, apparently, Russia does not have a very attractive and pleasant image from the outside. And maybe, choosing its own path of development, Ukraine is simply trying to choose the lesser of two evils and believes that it will have more prospects in an alliance with the West than in an alliance with today's Russia? I do not know. But I think that you should not rush to blame the neighbors, first of all you need to think: maybe something is wrong with us if the neighbors (not just just the neighbors, but close relatives) run away from us?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 11 September 2013 22: 49
      0
      Quote: alebor
      It is difficult for me, a resident of Russia, to objectively judge, but, apparently, Russia does not have a very attractive and pleasant image from the outside.

      This image is the result of anti-Russian propaganda.
  • sashka
    sashka 11 September 2013 10: 08
    +8
    Good article. It is possible to quarrel (without stuffing the face) and put everything in its place. Upon entry into the EU, all agreements are canceled. You must get a visa. Yeah. There was no sadness, the grandmother bought a pig ..
  • avt
    avt 11 September 2013 10: 12
    +6
    Quote: domokl
    For a long time we hid this topic. The decision by Yanukovych was made and now we and the Ukrainians need to begin to get used to the fact that Ukraine and Russia are just countries. They are independent (relatively) and live by their own laws.

    It will not work, for any of their leadership will require preferences - they are already accustomed to blackmail. And when they are faced with realities - they sleep up an old song about iMertsev. Estimate what howl it will be - take the Baltic states and multiply by the size of the Great Origin laughing .
    Quote: Silkway0026
    . Rzhunimaga, many dream of how soon they will become EUROPE .... and all my arguments (as mentioned above) are accounted for by envy (!!!) or anger from failure to enslave Ukraine.

    But such support in chorus. So anyway, we are responsible for their independence. Annoying, of course, but familiar, familiar.
  • chistii20
    chistii20 11 September 2013 10: 15
    +3
    Oh, Yanukovych, where does he climb? With a snout of a pig, you need to be friends with Russia in a good ranks There will be an economy and everything else But do not expect good from Europe
  • OPTR
    OPTR 11 September 2013 10: 23
    +6
    Some kind of strange article.
    It all comes down to one Yanukovych and his "grievances."
    It is not so simple at all.
    In addition to it, there are a fairly large number of very wealthy people.
    Will they, the owners of regional energy and regional gas plants, factories and combines, let them give into European hands (and cash flows too)?
    This is not Bulgaria and the Baltic states in terms of centralization and concentration of capital. Eastern European countries managed to get into the EU earlier, and capital from Europe came earlier. In Ukraine, other forces in the energy, metallurgy, and something else managed to form.
    They do not tell us about their strategy, and this is more interesting than arguments about the "welfare of the people."

    And notes on the welfare of the people can always be turned here or there.
    If they change their minds and they need to join the CU, they will just as well start writing about the good of the people and unity.
    The media (as befits a market economy) are also in their hands.

    It is useless to say whether "accession to Europe" will be better or worse if we do not know who and what wants to achieve. And the real reasons are not visible in this article.
    1. saag
      saag 11 September 2013 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: OPTR
      Will they, the owners of regional energy and regional gas plants, factories and combines, let them give into European hands (and cash flows too)?
      This is not Bulgaria and the Baltic states in terms of centralization and concentration of capital. Eastern European countries managed to get into the EU earlier, and capital from Europe came earlier. In Ukraine, other forces in the energy, metallurgy, and something else managed to form.

      But who will ask them, they will simply be set a condition - either the criminal prosecution does not begin against you with freezing accounts, or you give up the infrastructure to us for a fee, or they begin to insert pretexts into the wheels, such as a mismatch with the technical regulations, it’s especially cool to metallurgy in ecology, there you need to invest such money that it’s cheaper to just sell the business
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 11 September 2013 10: 51
      +2
      "In Ukraine, things are different: the government wants to join the EU (association) to accumulate capital at the expense of ordinary people, sell land for growing GMO products, from January 1, 2015, introduce a ban on the sale of domestic products (meat, poultry) on the market and export dairy products (cottage cheese, milk, sour cream, butter) for sale This is a requirement of the WTO and the EU to join the EU.
      It will be possible to slaughter a domestic piglet only with the permission of the authorities, that is, after joining the EU “peasants will not be able to slaughter more than 5 heads of cattle, pigs, birds, rabbits per day. Even for the slaughter of the sixth chicken, you will need to ask permission from the authorities, ”said Minister of the Agro-Industrial Complex Nikolai Prisyazhnyuk. "
      http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/politika/4427.php
      XXXX
      This is what they hide from the people in every possible way. And we must explain to people what awaits them. Then they will stop voting for those who are pulling us to Europe. In the meantime, the association has not yet been signed, .... maybe they will squeeze our president and Yulia, or those who keep money in Europe will take by the throat, but after the association is signed, they will fall under the European program for checking funds in order to identify "unaccounted income" Well this is how to make their stolen legal?
      1. xan
        xan 11 September 2013 13: 58
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        This is in every possible way hidden from the people. But it is necessary to explain to people what awaits them.

        And why explain, spend money on the media.
        Let them go and remain without industry.
        This is their independent choice.
        We will wait, the strength of Russia is not in Ukraine
    3. sashka
      sashka 11 September 2013 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: OPTR
      OPTR UA

      You need to speak "briefly" and succinctly ".. Stop imitating the" president "..
    4. Corneli
      Corneli 11 September 2013 21: 27
      0
      Quote: OPTR
      It is useless to say whether "accession to Europe" will be better or worse if we do not know who and what wants to achieve. And the real reasons are not visible in this article.

      Plus ... But on the matter itself it is even sadder (In this article there are no REASONS at all!
      "Accusing the Russian side of unleashing a customs crisis (" candy dispute "), recalling expensive gas and stating that such actions on the part of Moscow do not look like a partner at all, Yanukovych speaks of choosing in favor of association with the European Union."
      Bullshit !: read what Yanyk talked about joining the CU since 2010 (as soon as he became president) starting, then start the analysis. In the meantime, the current of emotions, facts, discussions (adequate) is extremely small (
      I remind you ... schA 2013. and Yanukovych was not particularly going to join (and in the election manifesto promised a "course towards the EU", and not what Russian members of the forum believe. They simply do not know, apparently, what Yanyk promised. I know the current what they were told on TV!) in 2010! !!! SO WHAT X ...? Have you started to write? OChChCheeen medddlennnye? Not even 3 years have passed since your eyes opened?
      http://president2010.info/ru/page/263
  • Echo
    Echo 11 September 2013 10: 41
    +7
    Accession to the EU will lead to such a nightmare in Ukraine, which has never happened there. The people will run even harder, but they will not let them go anywhere. And there will be a fight in which, of course, Russia will be blamed. And in general, I’m already tired of this farce - you come to Ukraine to your relatives, so everyone speaks Russian, except for the TV.
  • Bob
    Bob 11 September 2013 10: 41
    +3
    Ukraine will not have to live on "freebies" (cheap overseas products) for long. It will soon become clear that the trade balance is not in favor, but to the detriment of Ukraine. However, by this time, the remnants of industry and agriculture will be living out their last days. But they were warned ...
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 11 September 2013 10: 50
    +2
    Well, in the EU, so in the EU, since the Pentagon’s bio-laboratories are being built, everything is clear, if only it wasn’t the way to HELL, otherwise there will be screams to save the Slavs from the filthy yoke recourse
  • MG42
    MG42 11 September 2013 10: 56
    +5
    One gets the feeling that the so-called "candy dispute", which began with the fact that Russia found something inappropriate in the products of one well-known Ukrainian manufacturer, has dotted all the "i"

    I will add the latest news. Onishchenko yesterday banned the import of Moldovan wines into Russia

    Moscow. 10 September. INTERFAX.RU - Rospotrebnadzor on Tuesday evening banned the import of wines from Moldova because of claims to their quality. “We are making a decision to suspend the import of all Moldavian wine products into the territory of the Russian Federation,” the head of the department, chief sanitary doctor Gennady Onishchenko told Interfax.

    According to him, the ban will remain in effect until the Russian Federation "sees concrete steps from Moldova aimed at a systemic solution to the problem." "We do not intend to play the role of a nanny for the Moldovan economy," said the head of Rospotrebnadzor.

    According to him, Russia has recently repeatedly raised the issue of problems with the quality of Moldovan wine. "Over the past three weeks, not a single attempt has been made to reach any negotiations and agreements," the source said. "The ban is a forced step, which we took extremely reluctantly, but this is the only possible solution in this situation," the head of Rospotrebnadzor stressed.

    Russia on Tuesday may impose an embargo on the supply of Moldovan alcoholic beverages, the head of Rospotrebnadzor, Chief State Sanitary Doctor of the Russian Federation Gennady Onishchenko told Interfax. “We have serious reasons to take care of the quality of Moldovan wine products,” he said. "By the end of the day on Tuesday, a final decision will be made, already a systemic one. I do not exclude that on Tuesday we will notify about the suspension of supplies," Onishchenko said.

    According to him, plasticizers were found in the recently discarded consignments of Moldovan wine "in prohibitively high quantities". “This means that there are violations in the technology of processing, storage of materials and finished products. All this is unacceptable for civilized production,” the head of Rospotrebnadzor explained.


    See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/russia/txt.asp?id=328035&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_mediu
    m = twitter
  • OPTR
    OPTR 11 September 2013 11: 05
    +3
    Quote: saag
    But who will ask them, they will simply be set a condition - either criminal prosecution does not begin against you with freezing of accounts, or you give up infrastructure to us for a fee,


    And who told you that this condition has not been set?
    Maybe from this and the legs grow (at least partially).
    In Cyprus, not only the money of the Russian Federation.
  • MG42
    MG42 11 September 2013 11: 09
    +4
    August 30, 2013 Russia banned the import of Belarusian pork into its territory
    On August 30, the Rosselkhoznadzor decided to impose restrictions on the supply of any pig products from the Republic of Belarus.

    http://www.eer.ru/a/article/30-08-2013/rossiya-zapretila-vvoz-belorusskoy-svinin
    y-na-svoyu-territoriyu

    There is supposedly an African swine fever.


    As for Ukraine, a meeting in the European Parliament will be held in the coming days where the issue of Russian pressure on Ukraine in the light of European integration will be considered >>

    The European Parliament, on the initiative of the European People’s Party, will debate on a draft resolution on Russia's pressure on the Eastern Partnership countries.

    Representatives of the conservative EPP submitted an application for consideration during the plenary session of the European Parliament with the subsequent adoption of the relevant resolution of the issue under the working title "Pressure exerted by Russia on the Eastern Partnership countries in the context of the upcoming summit in Vilnius", Interfax-Ukraine reports citing a source close to EP


    http://korrespondent.net/world/1599823-v-evroparlamente-iniciirovali-debaty-o-da
    vlenii-rossii-na-strany-vostochnogo-partnerstva
  • MG42
    MG42 11 September 2013 11: 19
    +7
    It is clear that it can strike a blow at the Ukrainian economy. But the whole point is that the Ukrainian president was simply offended. They put pressure on him, and he sniffed with his nose. Maybe they put a lot of pressure, they did it painfully - they went too far, and he rushed to cry in a European vest. Well, what will happen when the pain subsides, when it will be necessary to turn on the “thinking apparatus”?

    Yanukovych didn’t come out of nowhere, as the director of a car depot with two convictions strangely extinguished became the country's president? = Certain people brought him to power, obviously in making such strategic decisions he is not an independent figure, but consults his Donetsk brotherhood ..
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 11: 41
      +2
      There are no independent figures in politics and Yanukovych is no exception. Yanukovych consults with everyone and among the oligarchs there is almost complete consensus about association with the EU., Unlike the people. But they do not ask us, and if they ask, as in 1991, they will do it anyway they want.
      Very much the Ukrainian oligarchs are afraid of being absorbed by the Russian oligarchs. The example of Belaruskali is very clear what will happen next. Reducing gas prices is good, but if business is taken away from the oligarch, then it would be better to buy gas at 400 €, but remain the owner of the enterprise than with cheap gas, but will lose assets.
      1. MG42
        MG42 11 September 2013 12: 00
        +3
        Quote: Alexander 1958
        There are no independent figures in politics and Yanukovych is no exception.

        Y well, just wondering who steers Putin or Lukashenko? once you own the information share .. lol
        About Yanukovych and what Ukrainian oligarchy I guess a little ..
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 12: 20
          +1
          Well, if you guess about Yanukovych, then the same forces exert influence on Putin from abroad. And inside Russia-you know better, but I guess who .. laughing
          1. MG42
            MG42 11 September 2013 12: 26
            +3
            You dodge clumsily from the question. laughing Yanukovych = oligarch Akhmetov


            Quote: Alexander 1958
            And inside Russia - you know better, but I guess who

            Then continue >>> Putin and ??? Lukashenko and ???
            1. Alexander 1958
              Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 13: 21
              +2
              Your ideas about politics, how to put it mildly, let's say - simplified .. lol That’s in general. And in particular about Yanukovych and Akhmetov, then in some issues they are allies, and in some enemies. If you are interested in our Ukrainian menagerie, hammer in the search engine of hvil. You will learn a lot of interesting things about Ukraine and Russia. Alexander 1958
              1. MG42
                MG42 11 September 2013 13: 29
                0
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                If you are interested in our Ukrainian menagerie, hammer in the search engine of hvil.
                I did not hear anything specific from you except the translation of the arrows negative >> score .. hi
                1. Alexander 1958
                  Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 17: 39
                  0
                  I would not return to the discussion, but right today there is an article by Fursov on the site "Cold east wind". I think after reading the article, or even better, having familiarized yourself with other journalistic articles of this author on the Internet, you will look differently at the issues discussed with you.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 11 September 2013 17: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander 1958
                    I would not return to the discussion

                    I asked your opinion in blitz mode, you know do not know? you started to dodge, is it really not clear, and not shovel the Internet and in what matters are Akhmetov and Yanukovych enemies?
                    That the property will not be shared by the Yanukovych family and the richest people. in Ukraine, Rinat Akhmetov and part-time campaign sponsor of the same Yanukovych and PR? If there were disagreements then in the yellow press, good luck there in search of the necessary information.
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 11 September 2013 11: 22
    +4
    Instead of “candy wars” and speeches with a tear in their voices, one needs to sit down at the negotiating table and, in our opinion, humanly, discuss the situation with a glass, a crumble, a cucumber. And then, you know, ties were tightened - blood does not enter the brain ...

    In my opinion, Ukraine has long had no one to sit at the negotiating table with. It is necessary to create political and social movements that will move the country in the right direction. We have money for this.
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 12: 13
      +2
      So you offer to be friends for money? This is not friendship! It's called differently!
      1. tverskoi77
        tverskoi77 11 September 2013 12: 30
        +2
        Alexander, this is not friendship - this is a pragmatic approach. Unfortunately!
        But in my opinion, today, only such an interstate approach in the future will preserve the friendship of our peoples.
        1. xan
          xan 11 September 2013 14: 04
          -3
          you need such friends, I don’t!
        2. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 14: 12
          0
          Pragmatic, tolerant, balanced .. - the impression is that I’m talking with someone from the EU, and not from Fraternal Russia. Well, maybe you can voice how much you offer for Friendship. Can I haggle? And, perhaps, you can still declare a tender to sell friendship .. What if someone gives us more? Or they will offer you more, so as not to be friends with us! This is pragmatic!
          1. tverskoi77
            tverskoi77 11 September 2013 16: 05
            0
            Pragmatic, tolerant, balanced.
            indeed, with a categorical exception - tolerant.
            Alexander, you most likely misunderstood me or I put it badly.
            I believe Russia should support the political and social organizations of Ukraine that support those same fraternal relations, and not try to agree with the political elite of Ukraine. And to recalculate the gas kickbacks that it receives in order to reduce its cost to end consumers - the people and industry.
            1. Alexander 1958
              Alexander 1958 11 September 2013 17: 19
              +1
              Nothing is impossible to solve without the top acting. If it does not work, then you need to create a new one. Brotherly relations are not created by any money. What Russia offers is not the USSR, but a kind of EU. The ideology is the same, the only difference is that we will not be the fifth wheel in the cart. but there is no friendship in this - only co-earning dough
              1. tverskoi77
                tverskoi77 12 September 2013 11: 00
                0
                ... then you need to create a new one.
                these are keywords, but without support it cannot be created.
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 11 September 2013 11: 22
    +2
    Politics-politics, and I am most sorry for the fraternal peoples being divided because of such prtv. I will soon have to go to my relatives on a visa. fool
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 September 2013 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Peter
      fraternal peoples are divided.

      I will repeat myself. A state with a legally elected President. By definition, it cannot be a "fraternal republic". I don’t want to say Nazi slogans like (leave hope, everyone who enters here_) De jure and De facto, it happened. Bite the elbows of the Lord ... Will there still be Oh-Oh_ oh ..
  • mitya24
    mitya24 11 September 2013 11: 39
    +4
    In this situation, the Ukrainian people are losing, as always. Who to be with? This is the question that worries the politicians of the "independent" and "independent" since the time of Bohdan Khmelnitsky, Mazepa and others, others, others. If with the west, then the eastern Ukrainians are losing, if with Moscow, then the western ones. It's like a dichotomy of good and evil. Politically Ukraine has never been united and sovereign. Therefore, even now, the best and most natural way out is to disunite and become a part of other states. The western regions should not be with Europe, and the central and eastern parts with Moscow. That's the whole recipe for happiness. Well, Ukraine cannot be alone and that's it. HER can be compared to a girl who needs a strong man so that others, hungry for her beauty, do not offend.
    PS I ask only brothers of Ukrainians not to be offended. Himself on the maternal side of Kar ....... to.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 11 September 2013 12: 12
      +3
      I do not agree. The peoples of the entire USSR lost.
    2. avs1208
      avs1208 11 September 2013 14: 04
      0
      You’re talking nonsense, my friend. With what fright should we divide the country for the sake of the interests of those whose muzzle our fathers have not very long ago deformed?
  • NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 11 September 2013 11: 45
    +3
    What shouting to no avail! Yanukovych is an obstinate anti-Ukrainian, he wants to confront everyone with the fact- OH MAZEPA-2. The question can be solved with the help of a patriot and a dragun rifle or favorite weapon of Ukrainians
  • Borz
    Borz 11 September 2013 11: 51
    +8
    It's disgusting to realize that I myself voted for Yanukovoshch ... He promised a lot: rapprochement with Russia, and Russian as the second state language, and much more. But it turned out "as always", after all, no one asks us. to the streets with protest - this is how our ovsky mentality does not allow it (everyone knows the saying about "houses on the edge"). So it turns out that instead of uniting with the Slavic peoples, we are pushed to the edge of the abyss (read - the European Union). Inside the country too everything is sad, we are simply slipping into a stinking pit of terry Bandera, because the Nazis from western Ukraine feel great on the entire territory of the country. But most of all we are offended that Russia seems to have lost us. And, apparently, forever ...
    1. xan
      xan 11 September 2013 14: 06
      +3
      Quote: Borz
      Inside the country, everything is also sad, we simply slide into the stinking pit of terry Bandera, because the Nazis from western Ukraine feel great throughout the whole country, but we are most offended that Russia seems to have lost us. And, apparently, forever. ..

      It's okay.
      never say never
      1. Borz
        Borz 11 September 2013 17: 20
        +2
        The fact of the matter is that once you get hooked on livestock from the EU, you won’t lose it anymore. They won’t lose their way. Watching Russia fight on the geopolitical front for Syria, sworn EU partners prepared a scenario for absorbing our unfortunate country into the gay cesspool .
  • avs1208
    avs1208 11 September 2013 11: 57
    +4
    Association with the EU implies market liberalization. Everybody will vote for the laws, both gay people and svobodists and boxers. So liquidation of state monopolies is on the agenda - for example, Naftogaz of Ukraine. So good will go from hand to hand - Ukrburgaz there, Ukrtransnafta, here, and there Ukrtransgaz will catch up with Chernomorneftegaz. That's all the hell to a penny ...
  • Cristall
    Cristall 11 September 2013 11: 58
    +4
    As for the prohibitions of Moldovan wine, Moldova also fluctuated between the CU and the EU ... the analogy of the candy ban ..
    I have already expressed the idea that everything is going according to the script. Fluctuations are resolved by sanctions, during which one side finally convinces itself that there is no expectation of good.
    The "candy" war "killed" as many supporters of the Customs Union as not a single action by the Russian government in recent years ...
    KPU collects votes (tell me how to vote, I will try everyone I know to do the same) for the referendum by decision.
    But first of all, I want to know if Russia needs us (we need rapprochement ourselves), because even my idea crept in, if this is a joint EU / Russia scenario, then I will be confused.

    In the election, the people voted for Yanukovych for a reversal from west to east, it’s not the people’s fault that he is so happy. The people clearly voted against the western course (zeroing it to 5%) for the eastern vector. Despite the personality and past of VFJ. If only the eastern vector was. Blaming the people that he initiated all this is, well, stupid.
    Shl "candy and trade war" has done more for EU supporters than Putin's proposals voiced several times. For an ordinary person to hear the proposals of a politician is one thing - but to hear about a massive ban and pressure, he will be indignant.
    We will have no choice if this is a joint EU / Russia scenario. And while it works.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 11 September 2013 15: 50
      +4
      The "candy" war "killed" as many supporters of the Customs Union as not a single action by the Russian government in recent years ...

      Achinea complete! And I don’t understand the term Candy war! In Russia, no one would have noticed anything if the Ukrainians had not squealed. After all, Ukraine is an independent country, and Russia owes nothing to anyone! And she has the right to choose whether to buy sweets from her and from whom! Claims are not appropriate.
      1. Kars
        Kars 11 September 2013 16: 01
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        and Russia owes nothing to anyone!

        still tell the WTO did not enter.

        Quote: Stas157
        choose whether to buy candy and from whom! Claims not relevant

        Appropriate, appropriate. By the way, for that reason, why they simply didn’t ban the import, but started telling tales about benzopyrene in sweets. That was not confirmed later.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 11 September 2013 16: 15
          +4
          Just no one forbids anyone to import. ))) After all, everything needs to be formalized in accordance with international norms and rules, the WTO, etc. For this, Onishchenko exists. Europe is doing the same!
          1. Kars
            Kars 11 September 2013 16: 34
            +3
            Quote: Stas157
            Just no one forbids anyone to import

            Quote: Stas157
            and Russia owes nothing to anyone! And she has the right to choose whether to buy her sweets and from whom

            Somehow contradict yourself.
            Quote: Stas157
            . Europe is doing the same!

            But only if Europe finds gasoline, then it is there, and you find it where it is not)))
            Quote: Stas157
            ! An-Xnumx such a plane is good

            It’s also a pity that they dragged on for so long, not all this red tape from the Russian Federation would have been built by themselves for a long time, money was found for Euro 2012, and there would be money for AN 70.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 11 September 2013 17: 14
              +4
              I wanted to write: It’s just that nobody forbids anyone to import. It is necessary to formalize this legally. For this there are Onischenka, customs, etc. But, the meaning does not change from this, I can forbid anyone, anything. So they do in the EU.
              they would have built it for a long time, they had found money for Euro 2012, and there would have been money for AN 70.

              The plane not only needs to be built, but also needs to be sold, but there are no orders for the An-70. Ukraine does not need it, but Russia could order!
              1. Kars
                Kars 11 September 2013 17: 22
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                It’s just that nobody forbids anyone to import. It is necessary to issue it legally

                And for this to carry out falsification. What cool partners.
                Quote: Stas157
                The plane not only needs to be built, but also needs to be sold, but there are no orders for An-70.

                Launch it in a series of years 6 years ago there would be orders.
                Quote: Stas157
                Ukraine does not need it, but Russia could order!
                But she might not have ordered whether there was any Onishchenko from the aviation who could have done anything.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 11 September 2013 18: 23
                  +4
                  What are you all talking in the wrong plane translate! If a pretext is needed for the ban, then it will certainly be found, they found falsification there, well, then another pretext will be! Well, who cares what it will be, the main thing is banned!
                  What cool partners.
                  But she might not have ordered whether there was any Onishchenko from the aviation who could have done anything.

                  Partners for Russia are those who are in the TS! Putin has already clearly said this, and everyone supports him. There are enterprises in Belarus entirely working only for the defense industry of Russia and for external military orders! And from Ukraine, on the contrary, they transfer the production of helicopter engines from Motor Sich to St. Perebourg in OJSC Klimov. Feel the difference..
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 11 September 2013 18: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    who cares what it will be, the main thing is banned!

                    The difference is big. Or they simply ban or arrange falsification, damage the image of the enterprise, etc.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Partners for Russia are those who are in the TS!

                    I would like to see how you find something in European products that is not there.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    And from Ukraine, on the contrary, the production of helicopter engines is being transferred from Motor Sich to Saint-Petersburg in OJSC Klimov

                    Let them translate, it is strange that they did not do this before.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Feel the difference..
                    Of course it feels - at the same time oppressing Ukrainian manufacturers, to buy components for the defense industry from countries from the NATO bloc.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 11 September 2013 18: 53
                      +4
                      I would like to see how you find something in European products that is not there.

                      Yes, no problem, any number! Http: //www.foodnewsweek.ru/myaso/rf-s-4-fevralya-vvodit-zapret-na-vvoz-ox
                      lazhdennogo-myasa-iz-germanii.html

                      http://www.agroxxi.ru/zhivotnovodstvo/novosti/rosija-vela-zapret-na-voz-produkto
                      v-iz-germani.html

                      http://sakhalinmedia.ru/news/island/17.10.2012/234221/nemetskoe-myaso-i-molochni
                      e-produkti-pod-zapretom-na-sahaline.html

                      This is only Germany, but there is also Poland, Turkey, etc.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 11 September 2013 19: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        http://www.agroxxi.ru/zhivotnovodstvo/novosti/rosija-vela-zapret-na-voz-produkto


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                        Earlier, the Rosselkhoznadzor repeatedly warned the Federal German Veterinary Service about the possibility of repeating emergencies like food contamination with a highly pathogenic E. coli E. coli strain in 2011, resulting in the deaths of dozens of people, and the source of infection was never finally established
                        Read in full: http://www.agroxxi.ru/zhivotnovodstvo/novosti/rosija-vela-zapret-na-voz-produkto
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                        We are talking about enterprises that at one time received the right to supply to the Russian Federation under the guarantees of the German Veterinary Service and located in the lands where people were poisoned.
                        Read in full: http://www.agroxxi.ru/zhivotnovodstvo/novosti/rosija-vela-zapret-na-voz-produkto

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                        Did you find benzopyrenes in Roshen's sweets? Warned? Once? Repeatedly
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 11 September 2013 19: 07
                        +4
                        Have you found benzopyrenes in Roshen's sweets?


                        Join the vehicle, then they definitely will not find it. )))
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 11 September 2013 19: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Join the vehicle, then they definitely will not find it. )))

                        Already. Dispersed. Even entry does not guarantee anything.

                        But from the question you are trying otmazatsa - it was like benzene, or not. Even your partners in the vehicle did not find it by the way.
                      4. Stas157
                        Stas157 11 September 2013 19: 29
                        +4
                        But from the question you are trying otmazatsa - it was like benzene, or not. Even your partners in the vehicle did not find it by the way.

                        I don’t know anything about benzopyrene, maybe it wasn’t. You know better..
                        Already. Dispersed. Even entry does not guarantee anything.

                        With such moods, you definitely don’t need to enter! Well, then happy brothers Slavs, anyway, sooner or later you will come to us, I think so)))
  • Stas157
    Stas157 11 September 2013 16: 29
    +4
    Yes, what a candy! Aviation cooperation with Ukraine is a pity! An-70 is such a good aircraft ... And how many more aviation projects will be ruined, nothing can be done ... True, this is not fatal for Russia, but for Ukraine I am afraid that yes ...
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 11 September 2013 12: 10
    +2
    Now begins a new round of confrontation. After all, the gay men have created a potential hotbed of tension among us. Yanukovych acted as a true patriot should do ....... patriot Pin to the camp. Then everything fits into common sense and logic does not fail.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 11 September 2013 12: 19
    +2
    Yes, everything will be fine. Ukrainians in orderly rows will go west by migrant workers to the fields, slaves to the servants. they will process the new owners for a crust of bread and a cup of water, and the German will beat them in the ass with twigs so that they move faster and condemn them - the Ukrainian schweine, bistro, bistro.
    1. polly
      polly 11 September 2013 17: 31
      +4
      Most of them have already returned from Europe to the Moscow Region, who immediately rushed there (personally talking with the lads Viktor and Andrey), as well as with Armen, who had been hanging out there for many years - now a truck is driving in Moscow.
  • Druid
    Druid 11 September 2013 12: 29
    +2
    Um, until we read the news about the HAPPENED signing by the Ukrainian side of an agreement with the EU, it makes sense to discuss this.
    For the future of Ukraine, signing an agreement is beneficial, but Moscow will resist to the last and not the fact that it will not succeed in exerting pressure or making an offer that Yanukovych will not be able to refuse. All of his statements can only be speculation.

    For Ukraine to sign the agreement, Yanukovych must have iron eggs, if he has it, time will tell.
    1. avt
      avt 11 September 2013 13: 13
      +6
      Quote: Druid
      however, Moscow will resist to the last and not the fact that it will not succeed in exerting pressure or making an offer that Yanukovych will not be able to refuse. All of his statements can only be speculation.

      Do not flatter yourself, the GDP is already quite specific, "scored" on this topic. The customs have conducted a training session and quite took to action. Russia is quite ready for your association with Europa. There are more pressing and hot topics.
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 11 September 2013 12: 34
    +2
    President of Ukraine Rinat Akhmetov, not Viktor Yanukovych. In Moscow, they never understood this, because all the problems in the relationship. Wrong negotiations.
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 September 2013 12: 39
      +5
      In addition, Rinat is Tatar by nationality, with a rich criminal past, also comes from Donetsk circles .. Ukrainian oligarchs are worried about their business that the Russians may allegedly pick up in the TS ..
  • true love
    true love 11 September 2013 12: 45
    -1
    It’s about a civil war ...
  • Max
    Max 11 September 2013 12: 47
    +2
    Yanukovych and the team can play a card with the Association with the EU, in order to delay the time until the 2015 elections. By that time, PR ratings will grow, because Ukraine goes to Europe. But after the election, everything can change dramatically (as happened recently with Armenia) and the new president will announce a referendum that can show more people's loyalty to the CU (true or false). It's only the beginning ;)
    1. Alligator_S
      Alligator_S 11 September 2013 12: 55
      +2
      By that time, PR ratings will grow, because Ukraine goes to Europe.

      Well, it can only be in the west of Ukraine. And in the east fall to zero. We do not love all Judah and Mazep.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 11 September 2013 17: 29
      +3
      Quote: max
      By that time, PR ratings will grow, because Ukraine goes to Europe.
      Where will the rating rise come from? The oranges will not forgive the refusal to let Tymoshenko go, the southeast will not forgive the pro-Western orientation (instead of what was promised). It seems that Yanukovych is setting a record - he wants to beat Yushchenko’s rating drop within one presidential term ...
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 11 September 2013 12: 47
    +1
    Well, now it's time to question the legitimacy and legality of the transfer of the Ukrainian SSR of the Crimean Peninsula. The broad gesture of Nikita Khrushchev came back to us. Crimea is Russian!
  • nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 12: 47
    +3
    This is all - from empty to empty. CMEA fell apart before the USSR. Does anyone suffer loss? What goods from, for example, Romania, who saw? It will be the same with the CIS.
    Ukraine will be on an equal footing with Latvia. I don't care about Latvia. Ukraine will be on the drum too. Business then. This prolonged moaning about the "withdrawal" of Ukraine is not understandable - it never "came" to us. Wake up, gentlemen! Ukraine is not even a member of the CIS hi
  • ATATA
    ATATA 11 September 2013 12: 49
    +3
    You know, I can’t understand the people of Ukraine. request
    Where do they want to join ?!
    Here, or what?
    Welcome to the Gayropei Union!