The draft will be awarded military tickets with special marks.

The Ministry of Defense is preparing amendments to the Regulations on the draft for military service, according to which the military registration and enlistment offices will put special marks on military cards of citizens who have not served.

This summer, a law came into force aimed at increasing the attractiveness of military service and prohibiting the adoption of draft dodgers to the state service. But the problem is that now the employer cannot find out for what reason his employee didn’t do military service (illness, study, family problems or simply unwillingness): the “place” column remains empty, as a last resort, there appears a corresponding comment .

However, in the future military notes are likely to put special marks. So now if a person came for a military ID only in 27 years (that is, when, by law, he can no longer be called up for military service), the road to state structures will be “ordered” to him. This writes today, "Rossiyskaya Gazeta".

By the way, a few months ago, the media discussed a proposal not to give military draft dodgers to deviation, but to replace them with a special certificate from the military registration and enlistment office. It was assumed that such a document is not confusing employers. However, the military is not considering this option yet.

According to statistics, last year about 250 thou. Citizens of draft age avoided serving the agenda without good reason, that is, they can already be considered draft dodgers. Formally, a prison term is threatened for this, but in practice the case is limited to a fine of several hundred rubles, the RG stresses.

Comments

[Airman]

In general, do not hand over military tickets, and let EVERYONE know that he did NOT SERVE in the army!

[Hon]

Quote: Povshnik

In general, do not hand over military tickets, and let EVERYONE know that he did NOT SERVE in the army!

You might think that someone is embarrassed by this now.

[BARKAS]

And why didn’t the military documents really serve enough help!

[Hon]

These are formalities, as military commissariats are comfortable doing so, a ticket is just a form of accounting. It is possible to leave an inscription with special notes, but only this is a piece of paper simple, but it has protection for the ticket, it is difficult to fake.

[Airman]

Quote: Hon

These are formalities, as military commissariats are comfortable doing so, a ticket is just a form of accounting. It is possible to leave an inscription with special notes, but only this is a piece of paper simple, but it has protection for the ticket, it is difficult to fake.

Yes, this is not a formality, with the adoption of the law on the civil service, the road is closed for those who did not serve there. But civil servants have children who will NEVER serve in the army, but will go to civil servants according to the "dynasty". So they need a mark on their military ID that they did not serve because of "PLOSKOMORDIA"

[Hon]

I was in the civil service, I won’t return anymore !!! Do you think there is a queue?

[Airman]

Quote: Hon

I was in the civil service, I won’t return anymore !!! Do you think there is a queue?

There are two lines: one for warm money places where they make decisions and issue permits - 100 people per place; the other is for places where you need to work, but not at full strength, and the competition is much smaller.

[Hon]

Quote: Povshnik

There are two lines: one for warm money places where they make decisions and issue permits - 100 people per place; the other is for places where you need to work, but not at full strength, and the competition is much smaller.

The first performers are also not working at full strength, the second performers, and there is no queue, I was the only candidate when I entered work and did not use any kind of blat. And there was enough work, he left after about 1,5 years and now I am resting in a commercial organization, with a normal salary.
By the way, it sounds great if you do not join the army we will not be allowed into the civil service (first of all), that is, you will not serve and we will not let you steal and take bribes. So it turns out? Want to make corruption a bonus for those who have served?

By the way

[Apologet.Ru]

You may recall that even in ancient Rome, military service was also the duty of a citizen, and since Servius Tullius all citizens - owners of real estate have been obliged to perform military service from 17 years.
Proletarians (Proletarians (from the Latin prōlētārius "a citizen who serves the state only with children)", in accordance with the constitution of Servius Tullius, did not carry out military service, Slaves to Army not allowed at all.

Organization of conscription and service in the Army is a matter of tremendous national importance.

In my deep conviction - only the ARMY gives the young man a CHANCE -
- feel like a citizen of YOUR country,
- in such a short time to UNDERSTAND YOURSELF and WHO HE WILL be in this life “A SHAKING CREATIVE or THE RIGHT TO HAVE.”
And CHITROZH. OPY SLAVES - in the spirit, DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS -
- participate in elections as candidates and be elected to deputies of all levels,
- work in positions of state and municipal employees,
- serve in the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ministry of Emergencies,
- work in security structures, of any form of ownership, with the right to bear arms ...

[Hon]

Even now it’s very difficult to get into the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergencies without an army, they take it by agreement. They do not really break into the state civil service with and without an army. Work in the guard is in most cases for loafers, where access to weapons, employers still take only those who have served.

[Doctor Evil]

[/ Quote]
Yes, this is not a formality, with the adoption of the law on the civil service, the road is closed for those who did not serve there. But civil servants have children who will NEVER serve in the army, but will go to civil servants according to the "dynasty". So they need a mark on their military ID that they did not serve because of the "PLOSKOMORDIYA" [/ quote]
They may not be in the army, but in some "scientific company" with pleasure. And no questions from the military registration and enlistment office. The dynasty continues!

[fklj]

Right. Once again they are struggling with the consequences, but they are not going to correct the reason. And the line of thieves for the civil service has been scheduled for years. And the military ID, in this "case", has no value.

[Ezhaak]

And for the case of mobilization. I suspect so. just in case, but just in case.

[experienced]

It seems to me that it is necessary not to give a military card with a mark, but to put a stamp on the forehead so that everyone can see right away - here comes a man who did not want to defend his homeland.

[series]

A military ID with a hole in the center will be introduced for the "dodgers" ...

[Cat]

Quote: S-200

A military ID with a hole in the center will be introduced for the "dodgers" ...

Gee-gee. Training. By analogy with a spoon:

[Proud.]

Quote: Gato

. By analogy with a spoon:

No-no-no! It will be greasy. That's just right:

[ultra]

Quote: Hon

You might think that someone is embarrassed by this now.

Now it is almost a subject of "pride"!

[Hon]

Quote: ultra

Now it is almost a subject of "pride"!

Yes, it seems no

[pahom54]

The fact that they are not ashamed of this, and even are proud of the fact that they "cut off" from the service, is, of course, very bad. However, if a person does not receive good his constitutional duty - to defend the Motherland, his state, then let him reach him through ... certain places. We started by saying that they would not be hired for the civil service - this is already good, this is already a step. But after all, not all deviators are striving for it. It is necessary to develop this topic further: to legally determine that a person who has not served in the Russian army and navy has no right to be in a highly paid job, and that the employer also bears responsibility for fulfilling these requirements, and not in a thousand or two rubles, but somehow more weighty ...
But military tickets - do not hand in, give information (doesn’t it remind you of anything?) ... but in fact, do not give any certificates. There is no military card - that means he did not serve - that means you do not deserve decent work and salary. Believe me, in a few years they will come to the military registration and enlistment offices themselves for summons (if adequate people are more or less), but nobody needs the drunks and lumpen at work or in the army.

[Hon]

Quote: pahom54

It is necessary to develop this topic further: to legislatively determine that a person who has not served in the Russian army and navy does not have the right to be at a high-paying job, and that the employer is also responsible for fulfilling these requirements, and not in a thousand or two rubles, but somehow more significant ...

But this is up to the employer and only him, the state has neither the legal nor the moral right to interfere in the affairs of commercial organizations and individual entrepreneurs. This is like private property, no one has the right to specify how to dispose of it.

[tilovaykrisa]

Unfortunately, now it’s more likely not a shame, but even prestigious, they say I’ve been able to steep cool and only suckers serve, you need to change the very attitude of young people to the army.

[Hon]

Moreover, 90% of my friends upon returning from the army say that it’s better to buy a ticket and not take a steam bath. After all, many do not want to join the army precisely because of the stories of their friends.

[Recon]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

Unfortunately, now it’s more likely not a shame, but even prestigious, they say I’ve been able to steep cool and only suckers serve, you need to change the very attitude of young people to the army.

the situation is gradually changing in reality. communicating in a youth environment you see it better. After all, you, I think, are already a person of age.

[Hon]

Quote: Recon

the situation is gradually changing in reality. communicating in a youth environment you see it better. After all, you, I think, are already a person of age.

I support, now my friends, who are 19-20 years old, began to upload photos from the service in social networks, and stopped talking about the service as wasted time in vain. a couple of years ago the situation was completely different. Just when you are engaged in combat training and not peeling potatoes, the service is perceived differently.

[Proud.]

Quote: Recon

the situation is gradually changing

I’m joining my son at school, a physical education teacher, a young guy, he served as an urgent in the navy. I talked to him, is proud, wears a naval belt on his jeans. I have an eldest son, 24 years old, training near Volgograd, Green Island, a diver. he served near Abakan. The youngest is soon 17, ready to serve both morally and physically. Much depends on his parents and social circle.

[Ezhaak]

Unfortunately, often not so much young people as their parents are shaking for their children and are ready for anything in order to protect their children.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hedgehog

to protect your kids

FROM prison, and sums ... These are often in prison.

[starshina78]

What is the problem ? Didn't serve - get a "wolf ticket". Everybody tatters with them, trick! It is necessary to choose a dozen out of the total mass, hold demonstration trials, show them on TV, and give real terms, and after the release, send them to a distant garrison, where two of them go to the toilet - one to defecate, and the second to knock off the frozen kaku with a stick. Until the highest level comes to a decision to punish the deviators seriously, to limit their rights, until then they will run. And at the same time it is necessary to punish the parents with a ruble, so as not to hide it.

[waisson]

black shameful mark

[Sochi]

Write on the cover - "Shameful not a military ID"

[FC SKIF]

And how do you make him, if anything, sit on the front line in the trench, he will be the first to run. Only the right campaign, the right movies, books, comp. games from early childhood to 18 years.

[Alex66]

Put labels on the forehead and on the state. That's not to accept the service.

[Dwarfik]

Kind! The idea is sound, but I would not like it as in that saying: "We wanted the best - it turned out as always." It is important to understand the reason why a person does not go to serve: health or some other circumstances. And then they will stamp all black marks! You need to consider this problem carefully.

[Soldier]

Yes, then it’s not a warrior to hand over, but an “Identification Card” of the identity of the mower, the colors of the rainbow flag.

[const72]

Quote: Alex66

Put labels on the forehead and on the state. That's not to accept the service.

stigma and for life

[Revolver]

Like a cockerel tattoo?

[ROA]

Military service should be voluntary as in the entire civilized world, and not forced as in the last century.

[Recon]

she must be an honorable duty. and when so, no one is forced.

[ROA]

So let them make military service worthy and prestigious.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ROA

So let them make military service worthy and prestigious

In the meantime, they will do it like that, who will defend their homeland ???

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In the meantime, they will do it like that, who will defend their homeland ???

People like you and people like us. And those who are like ROA will wait and look from the outside to go through everything ready. I remember "Yeralash"

[Djozz]

That you say in Israel!

[yan]

A good incentive, if indeed there will be restrictions on employment.

[Yeraz]

250 thousand is the same army)))
Although on the one hand you can understand. All my classmates who served (and served a very small part) all except as guest workers, except for one who was taken to a good unit (though poor after that, maybe 3 or 5 years he couldn’t go anywhere , ban))) did not do anything else.
The army should be made attractive, and not a jailer with concepts with various groups, where the law and charter are not secondary places. Then people will be drawn.

[pavlo007]

I am 39 years old, but I still do not have a reserve officer certificate :)))))))))))
I'll tell you in order.
A year after the title was awarded, a summons arrived. Mnu came and grandpa with two glasses after an hour of searching found a green book and said - like this is your mandate, check! I read, look and ask - the photo is not mine! I went to grandpa asking what he was responsible for - "Why did you pass someone else's photo !!!"
Then he brought more pictures, but the ini lost them. Then he brought two more times with an interval of a year, but they did not have forms, but they say, call. the last 10-12 years I’m not calling anymore. So I live without this wonderful document.

PS Half of our graduation was sent to the republic by officers. They gave supermen with VUS "Organization of clothing supply" in submission to 20 stoned drug addicts and forward. Graduate school saved me from this ...

[uralkos]

Deprive of citizenship and all, no military tickets and no Russian passports, let them live as guest workers. Or repayable, in the amount of full support for two servicemen for the entire service life. Let them pay those who drag them. Otherwise, with what fright would they use citizenship, along with those who served and defended the state. It's time to introduce the concept of citizens and just residents. And then the liberals and other dirty tricks have gotten excited.

[Sochi]

Oh, how cruel you are ... It’s easier to be, easier. It’s just to prescribe in the law that during the war such conscripts should be called up as a combat engineer for mine clearance ...

[No_more]

And in your opinion, those who did not serve sit in one place and do nothing? They don’t work at factories, don’t move science, feed on subsidies and wander their homeland?
In other countries we divide into citizens and non-citizens, I do not think that Russia should be likened to them. I now think that you need to first think about what goal you want to achieve, and then make decisions. And do not wave your sword and shout that everyone who does not look like me should be deprived of citizenship. With such manners, you can just leave the military alone.

[itr]

Draftists will be handed military tickets with special marks, I would just have done yellow with rhinestones

[Hon]

expensive with rhinestones

[RBLip]

Quote: pavlo007

in submission to 20 stoned addicts and forth. Graduate school saved me from this ...

yeah ... he himself served an urgent term (96/98 hit just between the first and second Chechen ones). but I have many friends who passed through this same Chechnya as conscripts. ALL as one are great people. but in your opinion it turns out there were some drug addicts ... minus you in the back.

[pavlo007]

And you have a minus in your whole narrow forehead ... You should learn to read what others write and think ...
The only question is that rowing for war everyone who was able to catch, and those who know how to do it should fight. As a result, the liberals' constant stories about moronic Russian meat and the poetic heroes Rambo of the Chechens.

PS The fact that your friends came back alive and says that they were not, but there weren’t very many of them.

[RUSmen]

A fine of several hundred rubles))) !!! ??? It takes several tens of thousands, and this money should be used for the good of the army (for example: salaries for officers and contract soldiers). The bottom line: you run from army-army for suckers = tady pay loot snot bib. He was taxed at a higher rate, he was fooled by a fool: a lifelong ban on obtaining a driver’s license, not allowed in state structures, went into the business of additional taxes, lifelong alimony for the army, in general, something needs to be come up.

[yan]

and you can still regulate the circulation of weapons. You didn’t get a weapon license without good reason. And bad shooting will decrease

[x.andvlad]

Unfortunately, there used to be an honorable duty - to serve, and now an honorable duty - to deflect!
And it’s not very pleasant that few are shy. But it’s very cool today to go with patls in NATO camouflage and berets.
The proposed measure is good, but help instead of a military ID is better. Military ID is too honorable.

[pavlo007]

What do you have against the sky uniform and equipment? Our specialists are bought in full there.

[True]

Something was already similar. They started: did not serve, the road to the civil service was ordered. We ended up with this:

Members of the Federation Council Andrei Klishas and Konstantin Dobrynin submitted to the State Duma a bill prohibiting not all army deviators from working in the state and municipal service, but only to those convicted under the relevant article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, RIA Novosti reported.

[Dios]

They want to intimidate this measure. Allegedly, the deviators will get scared and go to serve.
But an army with soldiers who went to serve against their will will never be normal and combat-ready.
It is necessary to stimulate differently, so that the desire to serve for the homeland is!

[Uhe]

Right. It is voluntary service, precisely so that the person himself would like to become the defender of the Fatherland. But for this it is necessary that the Fatherland be their own;) Not the land on which clever bureaucrats allow you to live, namely the land of your fathers, the land that gave birth to you and into which you lie. It is the homeland, and the state - this is just a superstructure for the people, and the officials are the servants of this very people, but not the masters.

But there is another aspect that Suvorov talked about, if I am not mistaken: the warrior has to be paid in order to stimulate, as you put it, his activities. In Stalin's times this question was well thought out, in later Soviet times it got worse, and now it’s a shame. A soldier should be given the right to free training after the army, free peaceful, if he wants, profession in the army at the end of his service, so that he can immediately go to work in his specialty, to help his children and family, if he has one. That is, patriotism is great, penalties for the slope are also needed, but an incentive must be necessary. It has always been in our history, but in general the history of all mankind. A warrior should not be poor, hungry and looking into his post-army future in black light. Do you have it now? No. Again forced. Though the officers were finally added.

[airatishe]

And what about those who graduated from the military department at the university? They have in the column "Military education" spelled out "Military training at an educational institution", so it is clear why he did not serve.

[airatishe]

On Zadolba! Does the story appear today, practically "in the subject"
http://zadolba.li/story/12155
Quote:
"I am 35 years old. I do not have a military ID. Almost no.

In the glorious nineties after the military department, I received a piece of paper:

Temporary certificate of a reserve officer (replacement of military ID)
Valid for: Indefinitely
Reason for issue: Missing military tickets"

[Renat]

Why reinvent the wheel? Who did not serve, and so it is visible. There is also a note on conscription and dismissal at the end of the term of service. Those who evade have no mark of draft. And in my opinion there is something like an article on which I did not serve. Is not it so?

[Pashkevich]

stupidity, if only because people are different and the reasons are also different. I didn’t serve, but I’m sure for myself that I wouldn’t take any bribes in the civil service and didn’t do anything by acquaintance. And did not serve for health reasons. And if I served, then from that part to which I was already assigned, I would probably go out crippled, judging by what was going on there

[rpek32]

You, dear, would have too many. And this is from the realm of dreams and reflections.

It's interesting, but personally, after the service, the number of these "WOs" greatly decreased, but I think I was not the only one.

[RBLip]

Quote: pavlo007

The only question is that rowing for war everyone who managed to catch, and those who know how to do it should fight

logical. then why do you need

Quote: pavlo007

I am 39 years old, but reserve officer certificates

is it needed? and about

Quote: pavlo007

in your whole narrow forehead.

I will not argue. for to argue with a man who was a whole graduate student, we, the working peasants, are somehow not with our hands.

[pavlo007]

I am a full candidate of sciences and an associate professor, five minutes less a doctor of sciences, but I have tremendous respect for QUALIFIED representatives of working specialties, I believe that the power of the country in the field of high technologies is impossible without well-functioning training of workers and technical personnel. Moreover, the current level of industrial development necessitates training people who "screw with their hands", with ENGINEERING TRAINING, ONLY A MORE PRACTICAL Bias, since the modern level of technology erases the distinction between higher and secondary technical education.
One of the main problems of our country is precisely that PUTIN DESTROYED A PREPARATION SYSTEM FOR WORKERS. Personally, I believe that at the present level, specialists should not be trained at the level of education below the secondary technical level.

PS See, you again made the wrong choices.
I just think that it’s not worth sending puppies who, at the very first whistling bullet next to them, will throw an assault rifle and call for mothers of soldiers, against real dogs of war. My numerous friends also spoke about this to me. past hot spots - there were more problems from shkolota than good. The fact that this rabble was sent under the command of the Enlightenment from the military departments is nothing more than treason.

[Djozz]

Yes, at our place in the Kuban Sport University, at least 50% of student athletes are dismissed from the army! In the process of studying, poor people were torn off their health!

[Sochi]

Persons who have not completed active duty in the army should not occupy the posts of civil servants, the reasons are not important ... otherwise it turns out to be interesting to serve no health, but to manage, to command? The army accustoms man to DISCIPLINE !!! this is the main thing !!!

[Djozz]

You probably thought about Shoigu!

[military]

Quote: Sochi

Persons who have not completed active duty in the army should not hold the positions of civil servants

something tells me that this category in general should be affected in a number of rights ... in particular, both participation in elections and the right to be elected ... otherwise, with the introduction of restrictions on the civil service, it will be necessary to dramatically increase the staff of "servants people "at all levels ...

[Uhe]

Keep in mind that the children of these very servants of the people may well serve on a piece of paper. This practice was in the Russian Empire, when the children of the nobles were enlisted after birth and by their teens they were already colonels :) It is clear that such colonels fought accordingly, because they had never even been in the army.

So not everything is so simple.

Well then. Serve in the bourgeois army? Fight for Derepaska with Abramovich? After all, Russia is not for the Russians, as follows from one replica of one gentleman. But those for whom Russia, whose symbol has adopted the symbol of Russia, do not serve in the army :) Therefore, this is a difficult question. The adoption of such measures is not even half measures, but a pathetic attempt at least to do something on the part of the state. In relation to the richest thieves, something is difficult to do, and in relation to the hundreds of millions of disenfranchised citizens, please.

Difficult question. It is necessary to defend the Motherland, but when this Motherland is taken away from you, it is raped, and your motherland is mocked (the word "Motherland" comes from the word "clan", our clan is Slavic, we in Russia - 90% of all citizens, and with loved ones to us in spirit and living peacefully with us for many hundreds of years side by side and even more). Should we decide from the transformation of the state itself, and not try to pull the veins from those who are already on the brink of survival? It is good when the state is a people's state, for the people and for the sake of the people. Then the people voluntarily go to the army in peacetime, and to the front in war. Remember the Great Patriotic War - people went voluntarily, regardless of age, reservation, and other benefits. And many asked to go to Afghanistan voluntarily. Now is a different time, the time of "buy and sell", the time when the people have no roots, when the authorities serve the interests of a narrow circle of people. They have their own army, by the way, and the children live abroad (even with Himself;)) And then they drive this incomprehensible state into the army, where the highlanders mock people, and the powerless officers cannot do anything. Maybe you still need to start not with this, but with the main thing?

Minus, by the way, I set. Why, in a nutshell described above.

Here is a good video on patriotism, which plays an important role in this matter, but is not directly related to the army. I advise everyone to watch it in full.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA2loruq4ys

[Landwarrior]

What kind of bike are they inventing? In the "military man" and so the marks are put, if not served. And then, where does the misleading employer? The personnel officer is, even if he understands
Trying to cut dough on printing new forms?

[No_more]

Honestly, I am surprised by the news about such initiatives. There is a feeling that everything else in our legislation is perfect.
What positive results will this bring to the state? Personally, I do not see any, and the costs of changes in the work of large bureaucratic systems are always substantial.
If we go into the “like-dislike” plane, then I am in favor of not issuing military ID cards to those who did not serve, but I consider it unacceptable to limit the rights of those who did not serve. Since those who need it (officials who want to shove their children into the public service) will find a loophole, create some kind of elite headquarters resort, where they get to serve on a competition. The restrictions will apply only to ordinary citizens who did not serve for any reason.
In general, I believe that the time of universal military service has passed, because Now the size of the army is not limited by the number of mobilization reserves, but by the number of soldiers the country can provide with everything necessary for the performance of a combat mission. It used to be at least a pitchfork, even an ax to pick up and fight, and here the number of soldiers proportionally influenced the power of the army, now it’s a completely different matter.

[lelikas]

Quote: Povshnik

In general, do not hand over military tickets, and let EVERYONE know that he did NOT SERVE in the army!

Yes, you don’t have to make any notes - just make a blue cover - and that’s it.

[2vladim2]

And I think that this will be an effective measure. But again, human rights activists will intervene. This is for them an extraordinary reason for fanning scandals.

[chehywed]

however, in practice, the case is limited to a fine of several hundred rubles,

And why not tens, or hundreds of thousands? Motorists fines raised, because. they have money. So after all, he who has paid off the army also has it! Well, or his parents ...

[Hon]

Quote: chehywed

So after all, the one who paid off the army also has them!

Anyone who paid off, received a legal delay, cannot be attracted. Attract those who do not have money, and they are forced to evade.

[Lechik2000]

I pulled out twenty of them in the Bodies and I was discouraged from contacting the Military Commissariat (register) - two appealed, almost got to the training camp (lieutenant colonels of the Ministry of Internal Affairs 20 and 25 years of calendar service).
Come on yuyuh ...

[Russian Vanya]

The war will start everyone will touch !!! Here I look chemistry, that here we have an IRKUT REGION in ANGARSK every 2nd ball mill in our city is now processing uranium, strikers from different cities came to us in tents, they lived on a water guard, while our deputies conducted actions that caused skinheads, they beat them at night everyone and the first guy was killed young and everyone solved the problem here is our RUSSIA) World War II everyone fought can you shoot? no? we’ll teach and go ahead so that I can say 1% that those who have served will still be in the trenches! If you served, ask yourself a question, and if you couldn’t serve, you would be so on your opinion and insisted that you need help !!! We must think about the people and not about the money !!! First of all, it is necessary to make the service safe for the soldier, there’s enough mess there 100- pay for the service and benefits and the 1rd you need to put things in order in the country and think about the people and not about CHEATING IT (OUR PEOPLE) !!!