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Why don't they love us? Interview for STORY magazine

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On the confrontation of empires, imperial consciousness, why Europe and America are still trying to do something with us, we are talking today with the President of the Fund historical prospects, doctor of historical sciences Natalya Alekseevna Narochnitskaya.


- Natalia Alekseevna! At one time it was customary for us to think that the world does not love us for the Soviet past. Given that no one, anywhere, never in the past decades has called us “Soviet”, called it Russian. "Russians are coming!". That is, the cause of hostility turned out to be - national. But Russia has never been an invader country, an aggressor country. It has always been a huge calm mainland empire, unlike really aggressive island and colonial England, which, living on its tiny islands, captured half of the world and, as Kipling proudly determined the intentions of his Empire: “Rope we will throw (take!) Around the entire planet ( with a loop to overwhelm the world) Around the entire planet (with nodes to tighten the world)! ”Reading Kipling, you suddenly discover that Russia has always been one of Britain’s main enemies, and not just Britain:“ The Japanese, the British from afar clung to the Bear in sides, M a lot of them, but the impudent of others - the thieves of the Yankees' hand. That is, already then, at the end of the nineteenth century, the energy and intentions of England to pinch the Russian Bear, were adopted by the American States.

- The theme is old! Do you think only monarchies, court historians and singers of the western empires did not like Russia? The champions of Russophobia were the classics of Marxism, Marx and Engels! In the USSR, where there was even a whole Marx-Engels-Lenin institute under the Central Committee of the CPSU, where “talmudists” examined their every word, the complete collection of these works of our ideological teachers was never published! It was just a multivolume "collected works". Because part of the work contains such contempt and hatred for Russia! Marx and Engels considered it the main obstacle to the implementation of their plans. Neglect of the Slavs, the fear of their unification was always manifested openly in Engels, who was greatly concerned about the fate of the German “Großraum” in the event of the liberation of Slavs. In “Revolution and Counter-Revolution in Germany” (1852), Engels paints a terrible picture - it turns out that “civilized nations” are threatened by the possibility of uniting all Slavs who may dare “push back or destroy unwelcome guests ... Turks, Hungarians, and above all hated Germans”. Engels also owns the myth of the notorious “Panslavism”, with which he stubbornly frightened:

“This is a ridiculous, anti-historical movement, which has set itself the goal of no less than the subordination of the civilized West to the barbarous East, the city - the village, trade, industry, spiritual culture - to the primitive agriculture of the Slavic serfs”, and then the classic clicks: “Behind this ridiculous theory was a formidable reality in the face of the Russian Empire ... in every step of which there is a pretense to consider the whole of Europe as the wealth of a Slavic tribe "... [1]. Both the thinking and politics of Nicholas I himself, who faithfully observed the principle of legitimism and the Vienna system 1815 of the year, especially his Chancellor K.V. Nesselrode, who most valued mutual understanding with Austrian Minister Prince Metternich, were so far from these imaginary goals! Russia not only had no relation to the Slavic congress in Prague, but on the contrary was extremely concerned that such an impression could arise from Vienna, and the only Russian at this congress was Mikhail Bakunin, who later fell into the Peter and Paul Fortress ...

In one of the volumes printed here, Engels, polemicizing with Bakunin, simply cuts off in response to Bakunin’s appeal “to reach out to all the nations of Europe, even to former oppressors” - stop! After all, the Slavs are counter-revolutionary nations, the Slavs are “insignificant rubbish of history, they are only due to a foreign yoke were forcibly lifted to the very first stage of civilization”. Therefore, one should not be surprised at the Russophobia of the Western press, the problem was born a long time ago. Both court historians and Marxists equally did not like Russia, they were afraid of it, and this can be easily seen by reading the works of scientists of the 19th century, and not only scientists - here, please, the British poet Lord Tennyson, the idol of British salons from the time of the Crimean War, the aristocrat hated Fierce hatred of Russia ... By the way, it turned out that the main source of Marx's judgments about Russia were the articles of the captains of British ships besieging Sevastopol! Well, what else can you learn from enemy articles during the war!

“But after all, foreign travelers in the nineteenth century informed the world about how terrible Russia is ...”
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  1. makst83
    makst83 4 September 2013 08: 12 New
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    They do not like and are afraid of us for our Russianness!
    1. experienced
      experienced 4 September 2013 12: 52 New
      21
      From the article it’s not clear why they don’t like us ... All the emphasis is placed on the fact that Marx and Engels did not like Russia. request The fact that England has always been an adversary of Russia is already known to everyone, so the president of the Historical Perspective Fund seems to be that same historian winked
      1. Pit
        Pit 4 September 2013 13: 26 New
        22
        Quote: seasoned
        From the article it’s not clear why they don’t like us ...

        Who cares why they don’t like us. It’s impossible to find out when. it began not one hundred or two hundred years ago, but much more.
        In my opinion, they simply envy us, because we are the oldest and at the same time the most stable civilization on the planet. All that they know now, they can - only thanks to us.
        It doesn’t reach them far that if the source of the river is destroyed, the riverbed will dry up. So it is with us, their civilizations originated from us and if we fall, then they will return to the caves.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 4 September 2013 15: 40 New
          +7
          hi
          We are Russians...
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 4 September 2013 15: 50 New
            +3
            hi
            I strongly recommend listening to the opinion of this truly extraordinary woman ...
          2. eplewke
            eplewke 4 September 2013 16: 15 New
            +7
            we are Russian - no matter how you tear your ass, no one is victorious !!! That's why they hate and fear us!
          3. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 13: 10 New
            0
            This song needs to be broadcast day and night, as well as "Get up, huge country .." and "Moscow is ringing the bells" !!!
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 12: 54 New
          0
          So it is, on a subconscious level ... the cat knows whose meat has eaten! Here and pisses ... west.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 4 September 2013 13: 47 New
        +3
        So the article is clearly the first chapter from somewhere.
        The last line is clearly the beginning of the paragraph.
        1. hommer
          hommer 4 September 2013 14: 35 New
          +3
          Full version -http: //narochnitskaia.ru/interviews/za-chto-zhe-nas-ne-lyubyat-intervyu-zhurnal
          u-stori-iyun-2013.html? view = full
        2. cyberspace
          cyberspace 4 September 2013 15: 10 New
          +5
          The person who posted was a bit cheated. Everything posted is a copy-paste from Narochnitskaya's website, but I didn't notice the "read more" button. What is left behind the scenes is even more interesting than the above interview excerpt.
      3. Yura
        Yura 4 September 2013 14: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        From the article it’s not clear why they don’t like us ...

        Marx and Engels as an unexpected example of this hatred towards us, which is only because we are Slavs, and even more because we are Russian, I mean everyone who is in Russia and so far in Russia. I understand this article.
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 4 September 2013 15: 09 New
          +6
          Do you remember how this bearded man said that: "The Slavs are fertilizer for the German nation." And the teachings of this most despicable m ... and are still considered correct. This is where the roots of hatred for Russia are: Academician Pavlov performed experiments on dogs, and this bearded man and his followers on humans! Stalin was the first who understood the true meaning of Marxism and honor him and praise for that! And do not weep over the so-called. victims of Stalinism, received in full for the betrayal of Russia.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 13: 25 New
            +1
            1000 ++++++++++++++ And who he is, this bearded ... the roots grow from Jewishism and Stalin was right ..! 80% of the Bolsheviks were Jews and they knew that they made grass gas Tambov peasants ...
        2. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 4 September 2013 15: 44 New
          +2
          hi
          There is such an opinion -
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 13: 51 New
            +1
            How tired of these faces! And the Jewish Brighton posing as a Russian and dishonoring RUSSIA !!! How all is disgusting !!! GOD will punish them all !!!
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 4 September 2013 14: 07 New
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      Quote: makst83
      They do not like and are afraid of us


      Well, to us, in fact, do not care? To seek love from each chumokhod is only time to waste. Let them sit in their parliaments and tell each other what they are ... gay men.
      1. xan
        xan 4 September 2013 15: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Botanologist
        Well, to us, in fact, do not care? To seek love from each chumokhod is only time to waste. Let them sit in their parliaments and tell each other what they are ... gay men.

        totally agree
        let the wrong Ukrainians, the Balts and all kinds of Poles there preoccupied with love from abroad, this is a sign of squalor.
        And the cries of any flawed that Russia has no friends in the international arena are ridiculous to me, well, what for are friends of Russia? We need adequate partners, the rest - in the garden.
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 13: 53 New
          0
          Not in the garden, but W ... !!!!!
    3. aleksandroff
      aleksandroff 4 September 2013 14: 53 New
      +9
      I think they don’t love us, because we are closer to God. Let us not be closer in deeds, but closer in spirit and soul, but for God this is important. But the fact is that the devil is always against God, especially against people created in the image and likeness of God. So he fights with the hands of the Anglo-Saxons against us, because their main religion is massism, i.e. from the devil. And we will never be held in high esteem, WE ARE NOT THEY. And the fact that we are people closer to God is visible in life. We, mind you, are not cybers like the Europeans. We immediately reject their way of life, reject soul and spirit. This has been shown in the last 20 years. We are closer to the nature of God. And the fact that God is with us is evident from how much land and resources he gave us. How many wars we won (another nation would be bent). How many nations have we saved. And no matter how badly we behave ourselves, God always pities us and returns us back on track. Think logically and look around and I think you will see the hand of God. This is not a sermon, this is the main explanation. WE ARE RUSSIAN, which means we are different. And the devil will not leave us alone.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 13: 59 New
        0
        And who said they don’t love us? Only the press is on fire! And who has the press in their hands? That's right, for the most part, the Jews !!! Where does the fear come? By their tollmouth, their end will come from the Slavic faith in the LIGHT GOD, that is, from the Slavs! Jews tremble !!!
    4. labendik
      labendik 4 September 2013 15: 10 New
      -10
      What kind of Russianness, explain?
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
      +7
      They do not like and are afraid of us for our Russianness!

      I do not understand the statement of the question "WHAT IS NOT LOVE FOR US" ... request I do not care America loves me together with NATO or not !!! They are afraid of Russia - "YES !!" - This is the most important thing, and I am glad of that !!! Russia is not going to deserve the love of Europe - a prostitute who not only fell under Hitler but also fought on his side !!! Not going to deserve the love of America that plundered our resources in the Civil War until it got kicked !!! WHO WILL ANSWER ME FOR WHAT WE RUSSIA SHOULD BE CONSIDERED LOVE SOMEONE OF US OR
      NO ??? Please speak! hi
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 14: 04 New
        0
        I read the next koment and shut up .. no words ... they all went to x ... !!!
    7. juneart
      juneart 4 September 2013 17: 30 New
      +5
      I do not stop laughing at the joke:
      Russian family in the representation of civilized citizens:
      - Honey, I'm home!
      - Why so late?
      - On the way, the bear sprained his leg - I had to unsolder with vodka.
      - Sit down all! Let's drink vodka!
      - Mom, will I go play with the bear?
      - Well, just drink vodka first!
      - Where is our grandfather?
      - He is in the second week in line for coupons for coupons.
      - It's good that he put on his boots and drank vodka before that. And you don’t sit idle - go drink vodka too.
      - Ok, go take a walk, son, and do not forget to write in the evening a report to the KGB! And on the way home, do not forget to buy vodka - it ends.
      - Honey, something hot. Turn off the nuclear reactor, please.
      - Now I’ll finish the vodka - and turn it off, but for now, play the balalaika.
    8. Che
      Che 4 September 2013 18: 33 New
      10
      Russ from Ukraine and Belarus think. The old idea of ​​dividing us and destroying us has not disappeared with time, as you see.
    9. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 12: 50 New
      +1
      That is why "our" Jewish "elite" is so drawn to the west, they are all alien to US Russians and they have no place among the Slavs !!! Drive through the national court and the zone to their historical homeland!
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 September 2013 12: 53 New
    13
    fear has big eyes. so we will accept the hatred of Westerners with our usual humility and show them half a hand from the breadth of our soul
    1. a52333
      a52333 4 September 2013 13: 00 New
      21
      The block warmed up their fears.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 4 September 2013 14: 16 New
        +2
        the one who will conquer us will almost immediately bitterly regret it .........
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        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 14: 07 New
          0
          Crying with laughter ... !!!
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 4 September 2013 15: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: a52333
        The block warmed up their fears.

        - The Internet has not yet surfaced, but have you already been able to troll? And Blok was, I see, not only a subgenial poet, but also a noble troll laughing
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 16: 32 New
      +1
      from the breadth of our souls we will show them half a hand

      Better middle finger !!! - Even the one-armed manages to (sorry, I didn’t want to offend the disabled) ... fool negative
  3. Uncle
    Uncle 4 September 2013 13: 33 New
    +5
    From the quotes of the classic of Marxism, the commies probably gritted their teeth, it's the truth about themselves ..
  4. 020205
    020205 4 September 2013 13: 37 New
    +3
    to the point! yes we Scythians. yes we are Asians !!! good fear enemies laughing
  5. lelikas
    lelikas 4 September 2013 13: 44 New
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    They do not like - it means they are afraid, they are afraid because they know that they will not be able to cope.
    And they know it because everyone managed to get it.
    If everyone started to love us, it means that NATO aviation covers our skies, and geyparades are walking in all the cities - we definitely don't need such love.
    1. xan
      xan 4 September 2013 22: 26 New
      0
      cool demotivator
      such a cliche about Russians I like
      Russian tank and Russian tankman is a brand
  6. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 September 2013 13: 47 New
    +3
    Yeah. Sworn English friends.
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 4 September 2013 13: 48 New
    +9
    You need to love girls. And Russians should be respected, and a little bit afraid.
  8. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 4 September 2013 14: 00 New
    +3
    Narochnitskaya I respect very much. But the author is so messy and crumpled that the topic is not disclosed, there are no results. as it’s not professional ... I won’t put a minus, but it doesn’t smell like a plus or a close. in short about anything!
    1. bairat
      bairat 4 September 2013 14: 32 New
      +1
      http://narochnitskaia.ru/
      the link is at the end of the article, the full text is there.
  9. vel77
    vel77 4 September 2013 14: 00 New
    0
    let it be better to be afraid, you won’t have to defend yourself ....
  10. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 4 September 2013 14: 01 New
    13
    Weak article.

    And they don’t love us ...
    Probably because we do not bend under anyone, especially our lifestyle.
    And also they don’t like it because they cannot capture ... laughing

    The photo is just for humor:
    wink
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 4 September 2013 22: 46 New
      0
      This is a picture (apart from what is written) from the Last War game.
  11. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 4 September 2013 14: 05 New
    +4
    We are what we are! And it’s not for them to decide what we should be!
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 14: 10 New
    +7
    The Japanese, the British from afar grabbed the Bear in the sides, Many of them, but brazen others - thieves Yankees hand "
    Who comes to us with a sword on this sword and pull it .. laughing
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 4 September 2013 14: 18 New
      +4
      nahai walk ---------- for a long time we did not improve our chernozems with foreign fertilizers ..................
  13. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 4 September 2013 14: 18 New
    +2
    We are all across the throat ... between west and east .... our self-created is not subject to anyone
  14. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 4 September 2013 14: 27 New
    +2
    Just looking at a map of the world that catches your eye- RUSSIA. Big ones are always to blame
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 4 September 2013 14: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    so the president of the historical perspective foundation seems to be that historian

    Yes, he is a historian, a historian. In perspective...
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 17: 20 New
      +1
      Yes, he is a historian, a historian. In perspective...

      Licking asses grief - to the invaders after the savory impression of the Russian boot !!!
  16. fzr1000
    fzr1000 4 September 2013 14: 37 New
    +4
    To everyone who speaks with irony about Natalya Alekseevna Narochnitskaya.

    The daughter of academician Alexei Narochnitsky.
    Russian politician, historian and political scientist. Doctor of Historical Sciences. Specialist in the USA, Germany and general problems and trends in international relations. Senior Researcher, Institute of World Economy and International Relations, Russian Academy of Sciences. Member of the State Duma of the fourth convocation in 2003-2007. In 2009 — 2012, he was a member of the Commission on countering attempts to falsify history to the detriment of Russia's interests.

    She graduated with honors from the Moscow State Institute of International Relations.

    In 1982-1989 she worked at the UN Secretariat in New York.

    In the 1990s, she was an activist in the Constitutional Democratic Party - the Party of People’s Freedom, the All-Russian National Right Center, the World Russian Councils, the Power movement, and the Zemsky Cathedral.

    Narochnitskaya is one of the co-chairs of the First and Second World Russian Councils, co-author of his basic fundamental documents, including the “Act on the Unity of the Russian People”, proclaiming the Russians a divided people entitled to reunion (adopted by the Second Russian Council in the Holy Danilov Monastery in February 1995) [1].

    In 2003, she was elected to the State Duma from the Rodina electoral bloc. She was a member of the faction "Fair Russia -" Motherland "(national-patriotic union)." She held the positions of Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Foreign Affairs, Chairman of the State Duma Commission on the study of the practice of ensuring human rights and fundamental freedoms, and control over their ensuring in foreign states.

    In 2004, she founded and headed the Historical Perspective Fund. Member of the Editorial Board of the Actual History Series

    In 2008, she headed the Paris branch of the Institute for Democracy and Cooperation.
    The President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin announced the intention to establish an Institute of Freedom and Democracy in Europe, which will monitor the observance of human rights, closing the next Russia-EU summit in Portugal on October 26, 2007. At the same time, Putin said: “The European Union through grants helps the development of institutions of this kind in Russia, I think that the time has come when the Russian Federation can do the same in the European Union” [2].

    The head of the Paris branch is Natalia Narochnitskaya, the head of the American branch is MGIMO professor Andranik Migranyan.

    The Institute declares that its goal is to serve as a “bridge” between Russia and foreign states, to be a place for dialogue between public organizations on both sides, a place of intersection of information flows and networking
    1. dmb
      dmb 4 September 2013 16: 35 New
      +2
      It is hardly possible to treat Narochnitskaya with irony, but the biography you cited may lead to some reflections. A number of commentators, if you had brought her without her name and article, this would have caused the quite expected reaction of "liberal, agent of the State Department" and then, as usual. They could well be accused of homosexuality. I will not be like them, but I can only say one thing. She is not the first to change her views. Prokhanov, Wasserman. The reasons can only be guessed at. The trouble is that none of them, while talking a lot about the statehood, does not speak about what they want to see in the end. Strong Russia, but who of the sane people is against it? But they only talk about foreign policy. And what about the inside? A strong Russia with a bunch of billionaires in power and a poor people? It will not work, and the authorities' desire for a wealthy people is clearly not observed.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 4 September 2013 16: 55 New
        +2
        When did she change her views? And how is her "agency to the State Department" expressed? She has always professed patriotic views, and even, in some places, nationalistic. Maybe someone doesn't like them or seem too right, so what?
        1. dmb
          dmb 4 September 2013 19: 29 New
          +1
          If you have carefully read the commentary, then I am not at all going to be like that noisy public who likes to hang labels, but most of the organizations in which she worked were not noticed in particular love for Russia, especially after the collapse of the Union. How her colleague Migranyan contributed to this collapse, I personally remember very well. You, perhaps, due to your age, apparently did not hear this. As for changing attitudes. How do you think, could Narochnitskaya get into the UN secretariat "without mastering the ideological and theoretical heritage"? I think no. Consequently, Engels's statements are not new to her, but until recently they suited her. Now about "rightism". It is not entirely clear what you mean by this term, and therefore I find it difficult to explain how Narochnitskaya can be considered as such. And finally. Until recently, she gave a completely objective assessment of the entire current government, but now it turns out that the Guarantor, who heads it, is not a protege of big business, acting in its interests, but a people's defender (this is not just about today's article). Well, God bless him with the Guarantor, today he is, tomorrow - no. The problem in my opinion is in the last sentence of my previous comment.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        I am for Strong Russia without a Jewish-Jewish oligarchic leadership in power in the person of the Chubais and Dvarkovich mendel !!! What have they done good for RUSSIA who can say ...? Only harm! The bulk began to live worse ...! Only in cities where there is work, more, less ...
  17. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 4 September 2013 14: 42 New
    +3
    The main thing is not to bend to this rotten Geyropa, but to develop our culture, traditions! And let them love each other there ... and as in the words of one song: All ... sterilize and on the reservation, let them arrange gatherings, parties, promotions) )
    ps That something broke through me today ... apparently all this pent in my soul to the end!
  18. PValery53
    PValery53 4 September 2013 14: 46 New
    +2
    You can't be nice to the Anglo-Saxons. And if they pass from their disfavor to hostile actions, then they must always be "scared" so that they will be discouraged for the future! If they do not want to cooperate mutually, they will suffer damage! - Therefore, "we dry gunpowder in case of a bad future" for "our partners" ...
    N.A. Narochnitskaya inspires respect and reverence in her activities. Very reasonably debunking Western opponents on any issue! Puts them, like nasty schoolboys, in a corner!
  19. Djozz
    Djozz 4 September 2013 14: 58 New
    +3
    "The poppy did not give birth for seven years, but there was no hunger!" Fuck, to them with their "love", the main thing is to be afraid! European politician, demo implicated in the fear of degeneration and pederasty.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 4 September 2013 15: 07 New
      +3
      right, we do not care about the love of homosexuality of all countries. we also don’t have tender feelings for them.
  20. onegin61
    onegin61 4 September 2013 15: 07 New
    +3
    Russia for the whole environment at all times looks like a crappy neighbor, whose lands are large, rich, but he cannot "correctly" dispose of them, the people are savvy, smart, but "the wrong people" rule over them and ultimately dispose of all this "correctly " does not work. In general, they believe that they are like a dog in the hay. But they would ... So why, looking at such wealth and such an attitude to it, to yourself, love us. It is written if you look at us through their eyes.
    1. xan
      xan 4 September 2013 15: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Onegin61
      Russia for the whole environment at all times looks like a crappy neighbor, whose lands are large, rich, but he cannot "correctly" dispose of them, the people are savvy, smart, but "the wrong people" rule over them and ultimately dispose of all this "correctly " does not work. In general, they believe that they are like a dog in the hay. But they would ... So why, looking at such wealth and such an attitude to it, to yourself, love us. It is written if you look at us through their eyes.

      I do not care their eyes
      but personally I want to tell you that there wasn’t in Russia such a period as now, when there is real freedom. And now the main thing is not to lose national identity, and find your own vector of development.
      Well, then we will see where Russia will be, and where Europe.
      Personally, I’m not afraid of Europe, my ancestors showed that on this ball we have nothing to fear except ourselves.
      1. onegin61
        onegin61 4 September 2013 15: 53 New
        +1
        The question was asked why they do not like it? I wrote why, freedom has nothing to do with it.
        1. xan
          xan 4 September 2013 22: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Onegin61
          The question was asked why they do not like it? I wrote why, freedom has nothing to do with it.

          they began to dislike us when they still did not know anything about the size and wealth of the territory, and about the smart and savvy people (most likely thought otherwise)
          they despised us, when Russia could not cope with Poland, they considered us raw and miserable.
          And when Tsar Peter chopped down a window and drove a pan-European favorite, he invariably raked the invincible Friedrich, the European superstar Napoleon unsuccessfully performed -
          here the Europeans experienced a cognitive dissonance - they are so advanced, and the Russians do not know anything about their advancement and strength and constantly break off.
          what love is there - you need to think about the complex
          This is my version of looking from the side with their eyes.
  21. Siberian
    Siberian 4 September 2013 15: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Yeah. Sworn English friends.
    Not only English friends. There are enough such friends from all sides.
  22. Uhe
    Uhe 4 September 2013 15: 14 New
    +3
    Until the end of the 8th century, the Slavs (different tribes, with different names - rugs, encouraged, Wends, Wends, others) lived with the Saxons (current Germans) in a very fraternal way. Our faiths were almost the same, the same worldview, a similar way of life. Sometimes they quarreled, but fought against external enemies shoulder to shoulder. At the end of the 8th century, the Franks who converted to Christianity began to attack the Saxons. Unfortunately, the Slavs from encouraged at that time quarreled with the Saxons, who offended the prince, and, instead of the old internal showdowns, sided with the Franks and helped them seize the land of the Saxons and destroy their temples. Not immediately, in the battles, the prince of encouraged Witsen (Witzeslaw) was killed, but the son of Witslav Drazhko managed to defeat the Saxons. Part of the land bordering with the Slavs by King Frank Karl was given to this Drazhko himself. In general, then the Franks, who were the outpost of Christians in the West, treated the Slavs quite well, but this was the beginning of the West's hatred for the Slavic East.

    The Saxons became Christians, under the rule of the Franks, from the brothers of the Slavs they turned into people hating the Slavs and went to the East. Once a single space-state, led by the Slavs, divided. All. Since then, they don’t love us. Unfortunately, some of our Slavic ancestors are to blame for this hatred, because they betrayed their allies because of a mutual insult.

    The funny thing is that the grandchildren according to another son (not Drazhko) of the same Vitseslav-Vitsen (Vitsin according to other sources) Rurik, Sineus and Truvor came to the lands of the Slavs, where Novgorod arose later, became famous on the way for their courage, justice and protection of the unjustly offended, for which they were elected princes of the remaining Slavic union of those lands after the death of Prince Godislav. This is how the story turned: some Slavs sided with the enemies, whose evil influence we suffer now, while others began the history of Rurikova Rus :)

    In fact, there is no particular reason. People just need an enemy. After more than a thousand years, it was Stalin who showed that the East can be united with the West into a single union (Warsaw Pact, SES, that is, the very communist bloc), but on the idea that everyone considers fair (communism, socialism, the power of the working people) . Different ideas disconnect us.
  23. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 September 2013 15: 17 New
    +1
    We are not loved because we will never lie under the gay European "civilization", which they really want. One science fiction writer has a story about how a MAN was kept in the created universal zoo to test the reliability of the walls. So, without going further, I will say one thing: Russia and Russians are that indicator of love for freedom and for this we are so hated by the world gendarmes, we will always find a way out to freedom!
  24. Djozz
    Djozz 4 September 2013 15: 24 New
    +2
    I am sick of their "love", like a gonorrhea hare, tired of all blathering gomosyatina, in Paris soon instead of the "Marseillaise" anthem in the mornings, muezzins "Allah akbar" will shout from the minarets!
  25. rexby63
    rexby63 4 September 2013 15: 25 New
    +6
    ... and you hate us ...
    Why then? respond; for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    European liberty, honor and peace? ....

    You are formidable in words - try in practice!
    Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
    Not able to screw up his Izmail bayonet!
    Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
    Or should we argue with Europe new?
    Ile Russian from victories weaned?
    Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
    From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
    From the shocked Kremlin
    To the walls of immobile China,
    Shiny bristles,
    Will the Russian land not rise? ...
    So send us, vitias,
    His angry sons:
    There is a place for them in the fields of Russia
    Among the coffins that are not theirs.

    A.S. Pushkin

    Almost two hundred years, but relevant. I think so, and before Alexander Sergeyevich had something to write on this topic. so the problem is not one hundred years, if not a thousand
    1. xan
      xan 4 September 2013 15: 56 New
      +3
      Not only Pushkin, but Denis Davydov also once despised the attacks of the European press on the Russians over the victory over Napoleon. He also promised to bury them on occasion.
      I am pleased as a March cat, that it turned out to get to know these facts - my personal views on these issues do not diverge from so respected personalities.
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 4 September 2013 16: 25 New
        +1
        That's why they are afraid of us, and therefore they hate us. Russia is the only country that can erase both Europe and America into nuclear powder and will still be something to sober up unreliable neighbors. We can still. The universal people feel this with their blue jeep, so to speak, opoie. Therefore, we are still alive. And if we weaken, humane bombing of our cities will begin.
  26. seller trucks
    seller trucks 4 September 2013 15: 25 New
    +1
    classic: Why don't they like Russians?

    Almost everyone does not like Russians.
    And far abroad, and neighbor, and even assimilated peoples.

    What is usually blamed:
    The Russians (censor) can’t calmly march through the streets of the capital and corrupt society.
    For Russians, the Nazis cannot march quietly through the streets of the capital and corrupt society.
    The Russians do not have the practice that for each cop and when passing through each post of the traffic police it is necessary to give money for travel.
    The Russians did not have widespread police bombings, and the police did not put on stream the killing of young children for far-fetched reasons.
    Russians do not blow up each other’s houses.
    The Russian military does not rebel against the president, who was chosen by the people.
    For Russians, the president does not need to organize performances on the topic of military rebellion.
    No one has committed genocide, famine, the Holocaust, eviction to Kazakhstan and other tricks that are available to Russians who are unable to confront the Russians.
    Russians have no cognitive dissonance, and they don’t break off about their history and their current position on the world political scene.
    The Russians repaid all external debt, and the citizens did not take a large internal debt, therefore, the Russians are not held hostage by banks, like the rest of the world.
    Russian may give the island, but may not give .. do as they see fit.


    sorry for copy-paste
    1. xan
      xan 4 September 2013 16: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: seller trucks
      No one has committed genocide, famine, the Holocaust, eviction to Kazakhstan and other tricks that are available to Russians who are unable to confront the Russians.
      Russians have no cognitive dissonance, and they don’t break off about their history and their current position on the world political scene.

      thank you
      especially liked these two points
      Ukrainians, Kazakhs and others, concerned about equal relations with Russians, read 50 times
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 15: 09 New
        +1
        The "Ukrainians-Russians" had a famine, the same as throughout the country, and the word "Holodomor" was invented by the Jewish Zionists, together with the Nazianists, and the famine was caused by poor harvests, and not arranged by someone !!!
  27. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 4 September 2013 15: 26 New
    +2
    They don't like us ... !!!! ??? They are simply afraid ... the whole history of Russia, this is helping other peoples suffering from invasions and murders, robberies of small nations ... Great Britain is number 1 leading to confusion in world history ... to rake in the heat of someone else's hands, to play off litter nations ... and then have and those and other. And the USA is a "DOUBIN" which scares everyone .. But who waves to her ... London knows best of all.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 4 September 2013 15: 34 New
      +5
      Glory to the creator, died!
  28. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 4 September 2013 15: 36 New
    +1
    I read it to become ,,,, I didn’t read anything that I didn’t read before, an article for the sake of an article, for anyone it was written was not a discovery ....... for the sake of PR or something to write, or to raise the spirit of cheers patriots. ......
  29. Siberian
    Siberian 4 September 2013 15: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Panikovsky
    right, spit on us love homosexuality all countries. we are to them too tender feelings do not nourish.
    Yes and no. Let them buttocks (blue ones) themselves substitute. And our politicians should think whether they are needed or not with their interests.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 15: 14 New
      0
      Politicians are bought by Jewish oligarchs and do whatever they are told !!!!!
  30. Brave
    Brave 4 September 2013 15: 44 New
    0
    V.R. Medinsky - who works as the Minister of Culture, he developed the theme of dislike for Russians quite well in the book "Myths about Russia"
  31. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 4 September 2013 15: 48 New
    +3
    Ever since Rome (the seizure of the Etruscan lands), the West was a predator both to foreign territories and to other peoples. One war of conquest against the Slavic states of Europe for almost half a millennium is worth something. They were destroyed by fire together with the inhabitants of the settlement and the city. Europe and now remains a predator at the genetic level among descendants. They even look more like a flock of hyenas than lions or tigers. On the example of Yugoslavia or Libya, one can see their bestial essence (like a flock of hyenas) They do not understand the nobility of the Slavs and they hate them in every way at the genetic level. Poland quickly realized this and "went over to them and plays by their Vatican rules"
    The article practically does not answer the question in the title. Europe has been a wild place for a long time. For example, the daughter of Yaroslav, the queen of France writes to her father that where you sent me, the courtiers rarely wash with the king, they don’t read books, they try to kill the smell with different spirits. At the same time, there were already many cities with bathhouses in Russia. (The baths of Rome were rejected by Europeans for some reason) Unlike Europe, not counting the inflated (and subsequently renamed) cities of the Slavs. Only Yaroslav himself had a large library. And Europeans, capturing the city, first of all, burned libraries along with books. So who brought civilization to Europe ?!
  32. tirazu
    tirazu 4 September 2013 16: 00 New
    +1
    It is not clear why the "Talmudists" are enclosed in quotation marks. Mraks and other herzles are exactly for them to study. And the origins of the centuries-old hatred of Russia from the West in our faith. If you completely simplify, of course. It would seem strange to ask why Lucifer does not love God))
  33. serge
    serge 4 September 2013 16: 07 New
    +4
    Is there a nation in the world that the Anglo-Saxons love? Is there a nation in the world that the Germans love? Except for ourselves? An attempt to fall in love with other nations is not at all Romanesque (Roman and post-Roman) or Jewish traditions (and today's Europe is based on these traditions), but purely Russian. There is no concept of love for other nations in Europe and never has been. It is our people who are always looking for the good in other nations and in the nationalities of their own country, and Russian culture was originally built on equality and equal respect of nations and equality of nations and nationalities within the Russian space. Europeans, on the other hand, "love" only those from whom you can get something for free, such as raw materials in exchange for beads, or take away something without much effort. And the Europeans and the US were "loved" in this sense (and they simply do not know how to do it differently, they have such a "culture" and mentality) in the 90s, when the country was falling apart and the West was taking away our national heritage for nothing. And again they disliked when the freebie began to run out. In the centuries, there were never former freebies in Russia for Westerners, why Russia, and then the USSR, was hated in the West. If a parasite and an invader (and Western civilization with its slaves in Roman times and colonies in the capitalist - the civilization of invaders and parasites) loves you, then everything is bad with you. It is no coincidence that the behest of our ancestors - "Tatar honor is more evil than evil." The ancestors understood that the love of a parasite is evil. If we are hated in the West or in any other parasitic community, be it the Roman and Byzantine empires, Khazaria, the Horde, imperial France, Germany during different "Reichs", the British Empire or the modern West with the United States at its head, then everything is in order. and we are heading in the right direction.
    1. onegin61
      onegin61 4 September 2013 16: 23 New
      +2
      Yes, we are not moving anywhere. Imagine that the resources will cease to be bought (for example, they will find the technology of splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen) and we are in the full train. Without real production, with ruined agricultural production, nobody needs resources.
  34. Troy
    Troy 4 September 2013 16: 09 New
    +2
    Glory of the Great Russian Empire! Glory to the Family! Glory to the RUSSIAN PEOPLE !!!!! Fear and tremble geyropa. In my opinion, there are not many nations in the geyrop who did not receive from us on the hill. It’s easier to count those who aren’t laughing
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      1. serge
        serge 4 September 2013 16: 26 New
        +1
        onegin61
        Yes, we are not moving anywhere. Imagine that the resources stop buying (let's say they find the technology of splitting water
        -----------------
        Or imagine that they will invent the perpetual motion machine in the West.
  35. kwazarik
    kwazarik 4 September 2013 16: 25 New
    +2
    I read the comments, and it begins to seem that I got into the society of anonymous homophobes. You have to be kinder.
    And the article is very interesting (especially if you click on the continuation and read the original in the source), Natalia Narochnitskaya is a very smart person. And, although, an internationalist lives in me, who stands for the citizenship of the Earth, Russian roots do not allow him to renounce his homeland. Thank you to such people - they heat up the fire of patriotism in the heart and love for Russia :)
    1. onegin61
      onegin61 4 September 2013 16: 45 New
      +2
      Licked by the very codec
  36. No_more
    No_more 4 September 2013 16: 55 New
    +3
    Yes, everything is simple, just look at the map. Enter the size of Russia? Now look at Europe. Now guess where there are more resources per inhabitant. Thanks to Ermak that Siberia seized with all the resources and, not intentionally, blocked Europeans all trade with the Siberian khanates, and then it turned out that there was too much oil and gas for some Russians.
    And there is no mysticism, resentment, honor and revenge, the usual struggle for resources.
  37. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 September 2013 17: 03 New
    +2
    Russia
    Igor Mikhalev

    Do not ask fate. Drink the bowl to the bottom.
    There is no Russia in the world - there is Russia. One.
    Where is the path in the rye. Where is the stubble under the foot.
    Where life is given to you and there will be no other.

    There is no Russia in the world - there is Russia. One.
    Here the rain drizzles and the moon does not warm.
    And swearing in anguish, from the hut to the hut
    Knead the Russian mud, like a dough of fate.

    There is no Russia in the world - there is Russia. One.
    How does she vote, waking from sleep!
    And her this pain is given to me from birth.
    May she be wretched, but from God alone.

    There is no Russia on earth - there is Russia. One.
    Yes, forever in the saddle, and forever drunk.
    But the shirt will explode, if at all - the khan ...
    Let her in a binge, but for battle - alone.

    Do not rush to choose countries and cities -
    Still dying, you will come back here.
    To taste a loaf from someone else’s is not for us.
    There is no Russia in the world - there is Russia. One.
    Where is the path in the rye, where is the stubble under the foot,
    Where life is given to you and there will be no other.


    This song is like that. Well, how to love us? Who completely understands us is Russian himself, because Russian is a share, destiny, burden and pain and not a surname. And he who does not understand is afraid. Or anger burns. Maximum - grateful as Italians for Messina ... but still a little afraid. Like the Italians who were digging out of the ruins, while the sailors put others at the same time against the wall. For looting. And the hand did not tremble neither in those nor in the others ...
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 4 September 2013 21: 20 New
      0
      michael3 RU Today, 17:03

      Good evening, dear namesake!

      Thank you for the verses / song of Mikhailov, I read them for the first time. drinks
      The thoughts and hopes in her are big, good and true!
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 15: 29 New
      0
      1000 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++ It’s better not to write about MOTHERLAND !!!
  38. left-wing
    left-wing 4 September 2013 18: 44 New
    +1
    Alas, as always, Russia is lonely in its aspirations and more than once saved friends, they so often betray us ...
  39. mapha
    mapha 4 September 2013 19: 03 New
    +1
    The West has always lived, to a large extent, by robbery. Therefore, it developed faster. And those whom he robbed were miserable, or were content with what was left for them. As soon as he stops robbing Russia, after a while, using the example of Russia, it will become clear that, it turns out, you can live the truth, only with your own labor. Such a Russia, living in conscience and gathering other nations around itself, is not needed by the West. In such a world there is no place for the ideology of the West (parasitism). This is the reason for hatred and the desire to destroy Russia.
  40. -Max-
    -Max- 4 September 2013 20: 39 New
    +1
    People read the book of the author I. Kondratyev "The Scourge of God" about Attila.
    A very interesting version of the origin of the Huns (Huns, they are Slavs)
    You’ll immediately understand why they are afraid of Us.
    There is also an interesting version by A. Fomenko and G. Nosovsky about the forgery of the history "New chronology of Russia, England and Rome" (although many people laugh at the latter)
    In the West, they believe that the Americans are the winners of the 2nd World War, and that if not for them ........ am
    Why not forgery?
    They also said one thing about Lenin at school, but the allotment turned out to be wrong!
    And when we unite, we will arrange a "SWEET LIFE"
  41. v_1
    v_1 4 September 2013 20: 43 New
    0
    We need our own FRS to fix it, since Mother Nature has provided us with trees. But in general, we need to get away from the dollar, we have been competing with opponents for 200 years who have "endless money" provided with green snot.
  42. goldfinger
    goldfinger 4 September 2013 20: 49 New
    -1
    In addition to Marx and Engels, the most terrible Russophobes were Ulyanov-Lenin and the entire Bolshevik multinational gang. In which, you won’t erase a word from a song, the great, most part of the performers were Great Russians! Dangling, or wanting blood, does it matter? History paid them ten times. Will science go for the future?
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 15: 34 New
      0
      They wrote it very true, even to convey to the people who is friend and who is enemy !!!!
  43. Iskander1369
    Iskander1369 4 September 2013 21: 06 New
    +1
    They don’t want to love US, well, let them be afraid !!!
  44. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 4 September 2013 21: 49 New
    0
    Quote: No_more
    And there is no mysticism, resentment, honor and revenge, the usual struggle for resources.

    Namely, the West hates any independent country or people. The example with the current Syria is indicative, they go for any forgery or crime, others have just been soaked or bought. And this has been going on with Russia for hundreds of years, given our huge enormous resources. Somewhere already posted, the Russian one of the features of the mentality of independence from the environment and the whole community. Therefore, to be without an army (or obviously weak) for a Russian as naked in the autumn rain. If this is great power, then so be it.
  45. put
    put 4 September 2013 22: 11 New
    0
    We are not Catholics. That says it all.
  46. deman73
    deman73 5 September 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    we do not need to be loved we need to be respected even with fear, but respect and not creep into us
  47. SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 5 September 2013 15: 43 New
    +1
    DON'T CLOSE TO US AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING - this is for everyone who loves a FREEBY (FOR ANOTHER CARAW, DO NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH !!!)
  48. Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 10 September 2013 20: 18 New
    +1
    Much more important - do I love them (bourgeois) I !?
    I am Russian and proud of it!
    Whoever disagrees, let them smoke bamboo, and climb up with a boot into a mug!
  49. mithridate
    mithridate 12 October 2013 16: 54 New
    0
    the same Kipling - the West is the West, the East is the East. And they will never be together. No comments.