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Riddles flight 007. September 1 1983 of the South Korean "Boeing 747" was shot down in the airspace of the USSR

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Finding out the true background of the events that occurred exactly thirty years ago in the night sky over Sakhalin and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is also not easy as proving and confirming the truth of the moon landings of Americans. In both cases, for the seeming simplicity and irrefutability of the version that is persistently promoted by the West, something completely different looks through ...


Meanwhile, to understand, despite all the obvious inconsistencies, it is necessary. After all, the 1983 incident of the year became a convenient excuse for unleashing another paranoid-hysterical company against the USSR by Washington and its allies, and helped unite the anti-communist bloc. President Ronald Reagan found another reason to confirm the earlier thesis about the USSR as the “evil empire” - a term borrowed from the movie “Star Wars”. A Western propaganda attack frightened a part of the Soviet elite so much that two years later with both hands it voted to take the favor of our geopolitical rivals Mikhail Gorbachev to power.

Once again, it does not make sense to tell in detail about the events of September 1983: the number of newspaper publications about the downed South Korean Boeing amounts to thousands, books have been written about this and films have been made. Let me just remind you that the most important accusation against us is the disproportionate use of force against the civilian aircraft of the South Korean airline Korian Airlines, which followed the first day of 1983 autumn, the 007 flight New York-Anchorage-Seoul, as a result of which 269 passengers and crew members.

But to this day, many facts work against the Western version of the "peace plane". This is a significant deviation of the Boeing from the flight route more than five hundred kilometers almost immediately after takeoff from Anchorage.

In response, we are told that the pilots were simply mistaken. But how many история knows the cases when passenger planes with experienced pilots, who had not once or twice flown along this route, went so far to the side?

And for what reason did the US air traffic control services not warn Korean pilots that they were on the wrong course?

There is still no clear answer to the question of why the “new” 007 flight route ran precisely over Kamchatka, the Kuriles and Sakhalin - in other words, areas that were and still are of strategic importance for the defense of our country. Again they object: what kind of information such a civilian plane could have collected, if everything is already visible from the satellites. Well, firstly, not all is noticeable from orbit through the shroud of the earth's atmosphere even now. And, secondly, one of the possible goals of a possible invasion of our airspace was to collect data on the organization of Soviet air defense systems that were forced to work on the intruder.

Another unanswered question from the West was the synchronization of the flight of the South Korean plane with the American reconnaissance satellite Ferret-D and the American spy plane.

In addition, the incident occurred against the backdrop of the provocations of Washington, which continued unabated in 1983, which had become so impudent that it even authorized an imitation of bombing at one of our military airfields on the Kuril Islands.

And the main question to which there is no answer: how could the pilots of Korian Airlines not see the Soviet military aircraft that was next to them, which indicated its presence both by rocking its wings and warning fire. Moreover, they also tried to leave, taking a higher echelon.

The suspicions are even more pronounced when you find out that in April 1978, another airliner, Korian Airlines, of the 902 flight, en route from Paris to Seoul through the same Anchorage, also “got lost” and, quite possibly, quite by chance appeared in the sky over our other the most important area is the Kola Peninsula. He was forced to land, after the passage of the formalities of the passengers were released, the pilots were not punished, and expelled from the Soviet Union. This is a fairly well-known fact, but few people here know that in 1992, one of the most authoritative South Korean journals published an article that contained the confessions of the captain of that same Corian Airlines flight with the CIA. It was on the eve of Boris Yeltsin’s trip to Seoul when he handed over the “black boxes” of the 007 flight - maybe no one told him that due to the aforementioned publication it was advisable to postpone such a ceremony for a more detailed study of the issue.

The presence of special services is also strongly felt in the incident over Sakhalin. The commander of the "Boeing" Jong Ben Ying was in his time the personal pilot of the South Korean ruler Pak Jong Hee.

Working with the first persons of the state implies a mandatory procedure for passing an inspection through the special services, even, rather, long-term cooperation with them. However, even then, and today, South Korean intelligence cannot be completely independent in its actions - it goes together with the Americans. But that's not all. The influential South Korean newspaper "Chosun Ilbo" then posted a message about the landing of the allegedly downed "Boeing" in Sakhalin, referring to the data of the CIA. But this kind of cooperation of journalists with the special services, and even foreign ones, is not accepted.

There is also a statement posted on the Internet by an American whose father, a cadre intelligence officer, did not take the 007 flight literally ten minutes before departure - on the advice of his fellow workers. But the most surprising thing is the writings of Western “writers”, who say that in fact “Boeing” was not shot down, but was only forced to land on the territory of the island administrative and territorial unit of the USSR. The question about the further fate of the passengers is given a simple answer: they are kept in the GULAG, because special “secret” camps still remain on the territory of Siberia. Cases of phone calls to relatives made by those who should have died thirty years ago are cited as “evidence”. For example, an engineer who was discussing electronic systems aboard a Korean airliner unexpectedly called his mother, but only managed to report that everything was alright with him, after which he immediately hung up. There were also messages that the passengers of the Boeing were often met by their acquaintances, but the "resurrected" pretended that they were mistaken.

This means that the version of “knowledgeable sources” that, in fact, instead of the passenger Boeing, the American reconnaissance aircraft resembled it, has a right to exist. The liner was put on the American military base in Japan, and all passengers were given new identity cards and good monetary compensation, ordering to be silent. If so, then the Westerners are well aware that sooner or later the awl will come out of the bag, and then a huge scandal is inevitable. To avoid it, and fables about the "acting Gulag."

In favor of the fact that the incident with the "Boeing" was well-directed, they say a few other similar cases, dated the same year 1983.
The most resonant was the attempt on the South Korean dictator-president Chong Doo-hwan during his visit to Burma in early October, known in Japanese and South Korean sources as an “incident in the tomb of Aung San”. Let me briefly remind you: according to the protocol, Jong Doo-hwan was to visit a mausoleum in honor of the founder of independent Burma in the capital of this state. The president was late for an unclear reason, having sent his ambassador to this place in advance of the ceremony. However, the mausoleum had an explosion that killed about thirty people, including the deputy prime minister, foreign minister and energy minister. Judging by the photo taken a few minutes before the incident, representatives of the highest political establishment of South Korea, lining up in a line, were waiting for their boss.

After the incident, two alleged North Korean agents were caught by the Burmese military, who allegedly organized this terrorist act as part of a sabotage group. It seems that everything converges, up to material evidence, there are also captured performers. But why has nobody so far bothered to clearly explain Chon Doo-hwan's late arrival to the memorial cemetery, explain how North Korean agents could penetrate the tomb territory, which was guarded by about two hundred security officers of the South Korean president, not counting the Burmese security forces, and place two mines there tremendous explosive power. And why the North Korean merchant ship, from which the group of saboteurs allegedly landed, was from 4 to 11 of October in the port of Colombo, that is, far from the scene of the incident. And why would Chon Doo-hwan not remove from his posts either the head of the intelligence service or the head of his own security when he returned to Seoul. Yes, allegedly North Korean agents were caught, but who can guarantee that they are not South Korean intelligence officers who were given the task of posing as "brothers" from the North? However, so far no one has published photographs of these people. Yes, and there was no reason for the North Koreans to “run up” at the scandal that resulted in the rupture of diplomatic relations with Burma, a country whose trade was very profitable for both Pyongyang and Rangoon. Now, decades later, these two countries are again pulling each other, like magnets, on the basis of anti-Western sentiment. However, a year before the South Koreans claimed that they wanted to kill their leader - it is clear who is in Canada. This already seems like paranoia.

An even more mysterious incident occurred in August of the very same 1983, when the South Korean warship "Kanvon" allegedly sank a high-speed North Korean reconnaissance ship in the Sea of ​​Japan. More precisely, it was made by a helicopter that took off from the ship with the A-C-12 rocket, which, according to the South Koreans, is intended for firing at ground targets. Strangely enough, there is no more information about the successful use of "ECN-12" in the Sea of ​​Japan anywhere except in South Korean sources. Different versions of what happened. According to one of them, the South Koreans set foot on the deck of a wrecked ship, on the other - it just sank, and again not a single photo. But as a proof, a helicopter was put on display, whose fuselage was decorated with a badge of a destroyed enemy warship. "Weight" proof, of course.

I believe that in the case of the Boeing, the Americans were not only aiming to find out the details of the functioning of the Soviet air defense system, but also wanted to prevent a rapprochement between Seoul and Moscow.

The South Korean dictator General Pak Jong Hee (president of the country in 1963-1979) seems to be very upset with his total dependence on Washington. Therefore, as far as possible, he was looking for "ways out" to Moscow. One of the first signs is the gratitude of the Soviet leadership for the quick resolution of the issue with passengers and crew of the 902 flight, made, I note, in the conditions of the complete absence of diplomatic relations. This line was continued by the next military ruler, Chon Doo Hwane, then South Korean walkers who also had American or Japanese citizenship, after receiving a visa, visited our Foreign Ministry to persuade us to improve relations with Seoul. After the incident with the "Boeing" these visits to the Foreign Ministry ended, South Korea was swept by a wave of anti-Soviet hysteria ...
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  1. Basilevs
    Basilevs 4 September 2013 08: 36
    +8
    The biggest, in my opinion, our mistake of that time was in silence and in an attempt to pretend that, like, nothing happened.
    Yes, they did. Why? But because and therefore. And also because of this. Since it is not a fucking thing to pretend to be boots and fly where it is not supposed to. Mattress toppers shot down the plane due to Aegis error - so what ??
    1. Dimych
      Dimych 4 September 2013 09: 22
      18
      There was no silence. I well remember the teleconference immediately after the incident, at which some military rank (I do not remember who) led a huge pointer over the map of the Far East, on which the Boeing route was laid, the schemes of our aircraft, with an accuracy of a kilometer and a minute. And the American reconnaissance aircraft was then mentioned. It was a well-planned and well-executed provocation that is always difficult to defend against.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 4 September 2013 11: 44
        11
        Quote: Dimych
        I remember the news conference right after the incident, in which some military official (I don’t remember who) was driving a huge pointer on the map of the Far East,

        Yes, it was. Marshal N.V. Ogarkov spoke at a press conference on September 9, while the Chief of the General Staff
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 4 September 2013 17: 17
          +3
          Quote: smprofi
          I remember the news conference right after the incident, in which some military official (I don’t remember who) was driving a huge pointer on the map of the Far East,

          Yes, it was. Marshal N.V. Ogarkov spoke at a press conference on September 9, while the Chief of the General Staff

          And there were also a lot of publications in periodicals, and not only with details of the incident itself, but also reports on rescue operations - our divers found only fragments of a Boeing-707 in the reconnaissance version and several corpses of non-civilians. My comrade in service then served there in the RTV Air Defense and said that ours shot down not a South Korean, but an SR-135, and not one, and that the then secret MiG-31 and A-50 were used on them. Later I read about the same from the Frenchman Michel Brune in his book "The Third World War over Sakhalin" ... the campaign there was also filled up with ESER-71 ...
      2. sdv68
        sdv68 4 September 2013 19: 39
        +3
        I remember too. But everything was somewhat different. At the very beginning (sometime on September 2-3), Vremya announced that the plane had invaded Soviet airspace, but it was forced to leave it. Showed maps of his flight. But somewhere at the end of the week, somewhere around 8-9 (apparently due to the hype in the west), they admitted that the plane was shot down after warning shots, to which it did not react.

        PS: What was shot down is correct. Yes. The plane was civilian in appearance, but what was in its belly was not known. It is bad that for a long time everyone was silent. I should have announced it right away. Before the international hype began. Then a similar silence was repeated with Chernobyl, and in this century the Kursk disaster.
        1. Denis
          Denis 5 September 2013 00: 10
          0
          Quote: sdv68
          It’s bad that everyone was silent for a long time.
          On the radio and TV the same morning reported, I remember
          1. sdv68
            sdv68 5 September 2013 10: 11
            +1
            Quote: Denis
            On the radio and TV the same morning reported, I remember


            Reported - fact. Only the version about which I wrote a little higher. Those. that the plane flew in and out. And no one knocked him down.
    2. Radoslav
      Radoslav 4 September 2013 20: 21
      +2
      What kind of silence are you talking about? You were probably not born at that time. A press conference was held, it was held by the chief of the General Staff of the USSR, Marshal Agarkov, to whom he told the media of the whole world in detail what happened and answered all the questions. I myself watched this press conference on TV, and the older generation of the site probably remembers this.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 5 September 2013 00: 48
        +3
        You are not entirely correct. In 1983, I, an officer of the country's Air Defense Forces, received information about the incident on September 3 or 4. Before that, there was no information in the media. On September 4 or 5, the first message appeared that the air defense forces had "pushed out" (!) A passenger plane from the airspace of the USSR, which had violated the flight regime. All more or less plausible versions of the event and the press conference took place after September 5th. Until this date, sheer lies and excuses like "we saw nothing, we know nothing"!
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 4 September 2013 08: 37
    +3
    The banal provocation of the Americans, which the then stupid KREMLYA leadership pecked at, did not have the mind to immediately scream at them about international terrorists and start an investigation under the auspices of the UN, then the USSR would have trump cards in dialogue with the United States.
  3. fartfraer
    fartfraer 4 September 2013 08: 53
    13
    I don’t remember who said on that occasion, "USSR airspace is inviolable."
    this is the position of a strong state, strong and great
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 4 September 2013 09: 00
      +7
      flew-shot down. spit who and why flew.
      this is the position of a strong state, strong and great

      I agree, but you need to do this wisely - and MANDATORY TRANSFER OF THE ARROWS TO THE GUILTY PARTY (violator) using the entire media tool for this.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 09: 04
        0
        It is necessary to use the media, but "not to translate the arrows" and not to make excuses, but to bring to the attention of what was shot down. And it is so clear that the Koreans are to blame, regardless of the reason for this flight (error or task).
  4. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 4 September 2013 09: 51
    +5
    Fuck, brothers, it's nice to see reasonable opinions at the very beginning of the discussion. Truly right, they flunked, they said for what, they accused whoever was needed, hinted what would happen to those who would repeat it, and at the very end they said that terrorism, crap, crap and other ovs ... "We drank a glass, sorted it out properly and punished just about anyone." The delay in making this incident public at that time, I think, was wrong.
  5. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 09: 59
    12
    Come on, we are the only ones doing something like that, but what about in the "citadels of democracy":
    On February 21, 1973, the Israeli Air Force shot down a Libyan civilian aircraft Boeing 727-224 over Sinai, following flight 114 from Tripoli to Cairo, killing 108 of 113 people on board.
    July 3, 1988, an Airbus A300B2-203 flight IR655 was shot down over the Persian Gulf missile launched from the US Navy Vincennes missile cruiser. Killed 290 people, including 16 crew members, among passengers there were 66 children. During the launch of the missile, the cruiser Vincennes was in the TERRITORIAL waters of Iran. The US government sees the incident as a military incident and believes that the cruiser’s team acted in accordance with current circumstances. Later, the cruiser commander was awarded the Legion of Honor order for successful service from 1987 to 1989. On February 26, 1996, the United States agreed to pay Iran compensation in the amount of $ 61,8 million for 248 dead, at the rate of $ 300000 for each able-bodied sacrifice and 150000 for each dependent. The US refused to compensate for the cost of the aircraft (about $ 30 million). This compensation is clearly considered by the United States as a unilateral voluntary act, since the US government did not take responsibility for what happened. Vice President George W. Bush, in particular, said: “I will never apologize for the United States of America. No matter what the facts are ”(“ I will never apologize for the United States of America, I don't care what the facts are ”).
    Well, about other similar incidents (Ukraine with the Tu-154, Nagorno-Karabakh with the Iranian S-130, etc.) modestly keep silent ...
    Something like that. Yours faithfully! hi
  6. Pon69
    Pon69 4 September 2013 10: 08
    +6
    In the 90s, Japanese television people made a film. Ours took them to underwater shooting. They took off the plane under water, registration plates, etc. When Boeing experts looked at the footage for comment, they did not identify this aircraft - the license plate and registration number do not match. In addition, Yeltsin handed over "black boxes", and they also did not coincide with the equipment register. There is a good book by a Canadian who lived in Japan at that time, "The Sakhalin Incident". There is a Corner of Heaven on the website, there are many not described connections. But the most interesting thing was that there were two or three congressmen and a senator or governor on the plane. And the United States limited itself to verbal diarrhea and reward us with the "Evil Empire". And after that we sat down at the negotiating table. And then it started on the rise - until the collapse of the USSR.
  7. sashka
    sashka 4 September 2013 10: 14
    +3
    They did everything right. And you don’t make excuses. It’s a pity the pilot who did this. It turns out to be extreme and without the right to vote ..
  8. K.Shimada
    K.Shimada 4 September 2013 10: 19
    +3
    Now it’s very easy to write about mistakes: didn’t do it didn’t do it ...
    First of all, you need to understand the following, at that time in this region was a very difficult situation. American reconnaissance aircraft (mostly Orion seems) regularly violated the border, but as a rule they did not fly beyond the neutral zone. And then the Korean came in and so! It was necessary to react toughly! I think that they acted correctly with the border violator! Moreover, it was impossible to plant him.
    And yet, why, after the Soviet aircraft went to intercept, the board did not contact the international emergency frequency?
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 4 September 2013 12: 50
      -6
      It's just that the aged "leaders" of the USSR have already "led the country without regaining consciousness"! If the Politburo and the Council of Ministers were renewed at least a third every five years, they might have figured out how to give the USSR great and mighty, and pour liquid diarrhea on the United States and Korea. But ... It's May, it's May !!! With anal sand pouring down, it's hard to react quickly to things like this incident
  9. Nayhas
    Nayhas 4 September 2013 10: 35
    -5
    But how many history knows of cases when passenger planes with experienced pilots, who had previously flown this route more than once or twice, went so far to the side?

    Yes, a lot, and the military pilots got lost, there wasn’t any GPS, a deviation due to an error of 50 km. yielded a deviation of 500 km., flight over the sea at night is generally difficult in navigational terms.
    how could the Korian Airlines pilots not see the Soviet military plane next to them, which indicated its presence with a flap of its wings and warning fire

    And will you see much in the dark? I flew a lot (as a passenger, of course) at night, you can't see a damn thing through the window, the darkness is solid, what swaying wings? And in general, did the Korean pilots look through the cockpit windows while flying on autopilot over the sea? How could a "warning fire" be seen, for example? The air cannon does not fire flares, however.
    Yes, the USA took full advantage of this frankly accident, but damn why look for something that was not there?
    1. basil200
      basil200 4 September 2013 10: 55
      +4
      Typically, aircraft have airborne navigation lights, they are clearly visible, especially at night. From the ground at night you can see a flying plane 5 minutes before the sound.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 4 September 2013 15: 56
        -1
        Our plane did not flap its wings, did not signal anything except by shots from behind the Boeing, the pilot could not even determine exactly which aircraft belonged to the Armed Forces or GA, having fired shots and transmitted that the aircraft did not respond and received an order to destroy, which he successfully did, ours were shocked when realized that this was a civilian plane, this was why there was such confusion in the early days, but the Yankees successfully took advantage of this, very well and, most importantly, without politics, this and other disasters are described in the documentary project "aviation accidents of the 20th century", and about the reconnaissance aircraft and a satellite duck they are constantly on duty there and now ...
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 4 September 2013 19: 13
          +3
          According to the Air Code and job descriptions, the pilot must turn on the ANO, fly around, swing its wings, contact at an international frequency of 121.5 megahertz ... this is so brief.
    2. smprofi
      smprofi 4 September 2013 11: 40
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      How could a "warning fire" be seen for example? The air cannon does not fire flares, however.

      Yes? and every third tracer shell has already been canceled?
      Here is a video, ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" shoots during the day (!). the same 23 mm shells that were used by the GSh-23L cannons (UPK-23-250 suspended containers) on the Osipovich Su-15. you can see the tracer superbly both during the day and at night ...

      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 4 September 2013 19: 01
        0
        Su-15tm on the database, never stood with UPK23-250
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 4 September 2013 20: 25
          0
          Quote: Alex 241
          Su-15tm on the database, never stood with UPK23-250

          of course! only on the exercises and set!

          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 4 September 2013 20: 33
            +1
            What did you want to say with this photo?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 4 September 2013 20: 36
              0
              Su-15TM N 10-07 with suspended UPK-23-250 and UB-32 blocks. Tests for "front application". Vladimirovka, 1975
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 4 September 2013 20: 38
                0
                Su-15TM on alert
                1. svp67
                  svp67 4 September 2013 20: 44
                  +2
                  The Kobelyaki airbase, near Dnepropetrovsk, had a repair plant for the repair of Su15, when I was a child on vacation, I worked part-time there, so I managed to see this airplane not only from the outside, but also inside ... Before the appearance of the MiG25, it was probably our most powerful interceptor .. And he "appeared" especially beautifully in the film "Reciprocal Move", where they were filmed at the Belbeki airfield, Crimea ...
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 4 September 2013 21: 00
                    +1
                    photo from "Return move"
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 4 September 2013 21: 12
                      +3
                      FORGOTTEN PLANES ... Su-15 is dedicated ...
                      1. old man54
                        old man54 5 September 2013 03: 44
                        +1
                        Good song. Alexander, I liked it, thanks! good
                        Tell me, why on the same type, the Su-15, then in high-altitude helmet and pilots, then just in the ZS? recourse
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 5 September 2013 03: 59
                        0
                        Flight to the ceiling Andrey, VKK and a face mask.
                2. smprofi
                  smprofi 4 September 2013 23: 22
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  Airbase "Kobelyaki", near Dnepropetrovsk had a repair plant for the repair of Su15, as a child on vacation, there was moonlighting

                  hmm ... a military factory? let me question that on holidays You could not earn money for military factories (not to civilian ones, where individual workshops were engaged in work at the Moscow Region) did they need clearance clearance, at least form 2. for a student? admission?
                  without an additional suspension, the SU-15 had no cannon armament. Osipovich, on the other hand, confidently told that the Boeing-747 of flight KAL-007, he indicated "follow me", firing from the cannon. What gun was Osipovich firing from then? or, again, there was no cannon?
                  “I scored 8,5 thousand meters,” Osipovich recalls, “suddenly the command:“ An intruder is ahead. ” At a distance of 30 kilometers I saw lights. The plane blinked. It was dark, gray haze all around. But I saw two luminous rows of portholes. They asked me from the ground: "Is the emergency light on?" - “On.” The flashing light is only on transport and passenger aircraft. Crossed the coastline, and they give me the command: "The target violated the state border, the goal to destroy." Suddenly a new order: “Set aside the attack. Force him to land. ” I went to the same height with him so that he could see me. He began to blink onboard lights - there is a special international code that warns that the plane violated the border. He does not respond. They command me: "Shoot from the gun." I made four turns - no reaction. We were already approaching Nevelsk when they told me: “The goal is to destroy”. I had to turn the plane, go from below. The rockets are gone. One - thermal - hit the engine, the other - radar - under the tail. The lights on the plane went out. I reported: "The target is destroyed."

                  Well, the movie "Return Move" ... a good movie, of course. but this is a movie! there and about "tanks on one track" I remember laughing
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 4 September 2013 23: 31
                    +1
                    I’ll throw you a film now, where Osipovich tells how the recordings of the radio exchange were falsified. So there are big doubts about the cannon fire.
                    1. smprofi
                      smprofi 4 September 2013 23: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      I’ll throw you a movie right now, where Osipovich tells how they falsified radio recordings

                      no, thanks. about what Osipovich did and his "memories" I already wrote today (see below)
                    2. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 4 September 2013 23: 42
                      +1
                      I also wrote below about the MiG-23
                  2. old man54
                    old man54 5 September 2013 04: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    I'll throw off the movie now

                    I liked the movie, thanks! I have not seen him before. request He posed even more questions than before, before him. It is strange and not entirely believable that the USSR was played like a sucker at that time. I mean tossing up the Boeing wreckage. And in the stories of the divers it was very interesting that the largest piece is a piece of the side 3 meters long! fellow And where is his 4th engine then? For sure, something was not supposed to happen! Well, the fact that they all lie in the heap is also suspicious, but he didn’t vertically, to the ICBM, enter the water, but by any tangent, it collapsed on the water and scattered in different directions in the direction of the initial velocity vector. And then there’s a lot ... Probably the truth is that the SR-135 failed, but it is not clear why they were hiding then ???
                    In short muddy story!
                  3. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 5 September 2013 04: 09
                    0
                    Andrey Mirny Military your namesake, by the way, dropped links, read. And about the film, there is another version.
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                  5. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 5 September 2013 04: 11
                    +1
                    .............
  • old man54
    old man54 5 September 2013 01: 05
    0
    Quote: smprofi
    ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" fires during the day (!).

    It seems not to hit the queue, but single. Do shells save?
    Quote: smprofi
    and every third tracer shell has already been canceled?

    I won’t argue much, I’m not an air defense pilot myself (better let Alex 241 answer), but I read a long time ago that tracers were not used on air defense fighters, sort of. hi
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 5 September 2013 01: 16
      +1
      Andrei bought for what, for sale, after the incident, urgently, on all air defense fighters, with cannon armament, the BC was replaced with 25 percent stuffing with tracers. This was told by people who served in the Far Eastern Federal District.
      1. old man54
        old man54 5 September 2013 01: 23
        0
        Quote: Alex 241
        after the incident, on an urgent basis, on all air defense fighters, with cannon armament, the BC was replaced, with 25 percent stuffing with tracers.

        and before this incident, how? Didn't have them?
  • old man54
    old man54 5 September 2013 00: 59
    0
    Well, you wrote nonsense, kolega !!! negative
    Quote: Nayhas
    Flying over the sea at night is generally difficult in navigational terms.

    and how does flying at night over the sea differ from flying in the same way over the sea, but only during the day? Do not educate the public? lol I'm not even talking about 40 years ago, but about 1983!
    Quote: Nayhas
    I flew a lot (as a passenger, of course) at night, not a damn thing is visible in the porthole, the darkness is continuous, what kind of wing swaying?

    Passenger opinion is of course an expert opinion! lol Have you been in flight in flight, at least during the day? You can compare the review from the cockpit, for example from the place of the crew commander and from the porthole?
    Quote: Nayhas
    Anyway, did Korean pilots look out the cockpit windows while flying on autopilot over the sea?

    no, they masturbated, sorry! angry Or they were stupidly breathing, and the somolet in the autopilot mode itself carried out complex evolutions by evading the fighter, gained sharply altitude and then dived gently!
    Quote: Nayhas
    How could a "warning fire" be seen for example? The air cannon does not fire flares, however.

    At least once you would have seen a Su-15 cannon shoot, especially at night, you wouldn’t write nonsense! Yes, even just a close flight, right along the course with the intersection, on their echelon of a fighter would cause such turbulence and shaking that the "dead" would wake up on a Korean! fool
    It’s direct and funny and unpleasant to read such deletantism, sorry!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 5 September 2013 01: 12
      +1
      Andrew welcome, about the gun on the Su-15, I wrote above. My opinion on the Boeing worked MiG-31. That's the gun.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 5 September 2013 01: 18
        0
        Quote: Alex 241
        My opinion on the Boeing worked MiG-31.


        My friends also confirmed this fact.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 5 September 2013 01: 23
          0
          Sasha, if the 31st all converges. Therefore, apparently, they were silent, a top-secret airplane, etc. And such a heap of lies.
      2. old man54
        old man54 5 September 2013 01: 28
        0
        Once again, health Sasha (the first time in a personal greeting)! why then this whistle with the Su-15 and this very pilot - Osipovich ?? Why not just say that the MiG-31 worked out ?? What’s the catch here, I don’t understand ?? !!!
        Yes, I’m tasteful, in general terms, of course, that the MiG-31 has a built-in full-time gun. drinks
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 5 September 2013 02: 08
          0
          Apparently they were afraid, burned with the 25th, but about the 31st at that time I knew a narrow circle of people, so they piled up.
      3. old man54
        old man54 5 September 2013 03: 46
        0
        about the gun on the Su-15, I wrote above. My opinion on the Boeing worked MiG-31.

        understandably, but theoretically, the gun could be suspended from Osipovich? Could! But I understand you! wink
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 5 September 2013 04: 01
          0
          Andrei only theoretically, do not forget that he flew out of the DZ.
          1. old man54
            old man54 5 September 2013 04: 18
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            Do not forget that he flew out of the DZ.

            and what does DZ mean?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 5 September 2013 04: 19
              +1
              Duty link. 4 aircraft on combat duty.
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 5 September 2013 01: 26
      +1
      How could a "warning fire" be seen for example? The air cannon does not fire flares, however. Here is a cannon firing during the day, the force of the flame is visible? What do you think it will look like at night?
      1. old man54
        old man54 5 September 2013 01: 47
        0
        Quote: Alex 241
        What do you think it will look like at night?

        you are as always very convincing, Alexander! This cannot be taken away from you! good I was about the same, but with a hint, I wrote to this "Nayhas", an "air defense specialist" I didn’t tell you, but I worked in GA for a long time in my life, as a cargo operator on charters. Therefore, it is wild for me to read what he wrote there above! even during the day, you can see perfectly both oncoming and parallel, and even more so crossing the aircraft's course, and there is nothing to say about the night. It's just that you can even see, at a considerable distance, their lights and beacons are visible. And here the fighter "dangles" under the nose, the PIC doesn’t stick a plane into the window, and the Korean flyers "did not see" anything. laughing Maybe in Korea nearsighted visually impaired pilots fill, and, Sasha? laughing
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 5 September 2013 01: 53
          +1
          We will wait for the removal of the neck. 50-75? If we survive, of course.
          1. old man54
            old man54 5 September 2013 02: 00
            +1
            Quote: studentmati
            We will wait for the removal of the neck. 50-75? If we survive, of course.

            If the power in our country does not change radically, if we don’t knock them all out, then we will not know anything, I think so. Moreover, the changes should be diametric, as in 91, just the opposite. Then, very likely, we will find out a lot of things that were hidden earlier, about this Boeing, and about the Kursk, and about the sawing of the USSR and about the withdrawal of troops from Germany and about the reduction of the SDS and more ... laughing drinks
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 5 September 2013 02: 06
              +1
              There are means of objective control of the PCF, why not publish them, then everything became clear.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 5 September 2013 02: 09
                0
                Quote: Alex 241
                There are means of objective control of the PCF, why not publish them, then everything became clear.


                Sanya, I'm sorry, someone, but remind you of the vulture?
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 5 September 2013 04: 06
                  +1
                  Sasha, with this vulture we are still in this day, isn’t it time to wash ourselves?
                  1. old man54
                    old man54 5 September 2013 04: 16
                    +1
                    it's time guys, and for a long time! But the authorities in the country should be real men, and not all kinds of muddy colonels! Then turn around!
  • Garrin
    Garrin 4 September 2013 10: 48
    +2
    I then served at the headquarters of the Air Force of the PribVO. I remember well that at night they raised us on "alarm", strengthened the guard, in short, brought us into a state of high alert. Never, in my entire service, have I seen so many people at the headquarters. More at night than any day. We did not have time to remove the press from the offices then.
    Well it is, lyrical digression.
  • TRAFFIC
    TRAFFIC 4 September 2013 10: 50
    -5
    Well, yes, and if the Boeing that knocked out over Karelia would fall into the sea and not land on the lake, would he also be accused of espionage? Why breed all this conspiracy?
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 5 September 2013 07: 33
      0
      TRAFFIC, in Karelia the Boeing was not shot down, but forced to land. Don't la-la laughing
      about it on TV, they somehow made the whole program. In general, it seemed like they showed it normally, but when they said that to this day they are serving at the Kemi airfield — I did not know — they were laughing or crying. The airfield there is still awesome, unless someone is sitting at the checkpoint wassat
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 4 September 2013 10: 54
    12
    This is our sky. This is someone else’s plane. We have warned. Once again warned. They waved their wings and blinked their lights. They don’t understand ... We shot him down. According to the laws of physics - he fell. According to international law, we had every reason to stop the violation of our airspace. Why make excuses for this? The next time you need to bring down again, so that they remember at all times and tell the children - you don’t need to go to Russia without an invitation.
    1. Far East
      Far East 4 September 2013 14: 21
      +3
      Quote: IRBIS
      The next time you need to bring down again, so that they remember at all times and tell the children - you don’t need to go to Russia without an invitation.

      good good good drinks
  • apro
    apro 4 September 2013 11: 17
    +1
    Having read a book by Michel Brun, a provocation that could put the world on the brink of nuclear war made such a conclusion - there was a massive raid by the SGA aviation under the guise of reb aircraft and three to five SGA aircraft were shot down. There was a reason to launch a nuclear attack on the SGA, but the Soviet leadership didn’t see any reasons for this. But the most interesting is the assumption that the Boeing was shot down either by the Japanese interceptor or the cruiser SGA. ialist of Framed and provocations God forbid him to finish badly with fire.
  • denson06
    denson06 4 September 2013 11: 21
    +1
    The information war is worse than the army ..
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 4 September 2013 11: 22
    +7
    The only thing that is really worth regretting is that the plane did not fail Rust.
  • smprofi
    smprofi 4 September 2013 11: 26
    +3
    the author started out loud
    Meanwhile, to understand, despite all the obvious inconsistencies, it is necessary.

    but the article turned out about nothing in the end.

    1978 year. a pair of Su-15 clamped on both sides of the Korean. at first they suggested that he go on a radio at international frequency to where he needed to - the Korean allegedly did not hear. along the course, fighters fired a little - the Korean allegedly did not see. for persuasiveness, they gave a short burst of fuselage, but not with the aim of bringing down, just to explain. It turned out to be very intelligibly explained - the Korean immediately went to sit on the emergency. sat on the ice of the lake.




    KAL-007, 1983. in Chukotka there was a brigade "Circle", the headquarters was in the Coal Mines. the task of this brigade was to monitor the airspace in the Alaska area. both for regular planes and for the military. and the same RC-135. and the same scouts flew practically on schedule. and the Chukchi pvoshniki took both KAL-007 and RC-135 to escort. and should have been transferred to colleagues in Kamchatka. should, but did not pass for "lost". in Kamchatka, without targeting from Chukotka, they also relaxed and did not particularly follow their sector. they caught themselves only when KAL-007 was discovered leaving Kamchatka. there was nothing to catch up with.
    Confidently KAL-007 was escorted only over Sakhalin. to intercept, in particular, the Su-15 Osipovich was raised from the Sokol airfield (N47 ° 15 '20.93 ", E142 ° 45' 51.56"). and here you can recall the order of the Minister of Defense, but not about the absence of tracer shells in the BC, but about refueling: after Belenko hijacked the MiG-25 to Nippon, an order was given that the aircraft in the Far East should refuel so that they would not fly to the Japanese islands. in general, stupidity, but for a Korean it was fatal. Osipovich tried to force KAL-007 to land. nothing succeeded. I could not accompany the Korean for a long time. By this time, the nerves of the chiefs in the Far East, and even in Moscow, were at their limit: the plane was escorted, lost, found, lost, found, leaves. Well, someone "at the top" gave the order "Shoot down!" Osipovich carried out the order.
    Well, when the hippe began throughout the "free world", they began to mold a legend. as best they could.
    to believe Osipovich's memoirs? it could be ... yes, he "remembers" what he was ordered to remember.
    Well, after the downing of KAL-007 in the Far East in air defense, many withers were soaped.

    Well, the excuse, in particular, that the silhouette and size of the Boeing-747 Jumbo Jet allegedly confused



    with the Boeing RC-135



    Well, this is in favor of the poor.
  • knn54
    knn54 4 September 2013 11: 55
    +2
    After the Boeing took off, an American reconnaissance patrol RS-135, outwardly similar to the Boeing, patrolled in the Kamchatka region. During the rapprochement of these airliners, at some point, they merged on radars to one point.
    The French researcher Michel Bryun believes that it was RS-135 that was shot down over Sakhalin Osipovich — these are two life rafts among the wreckage (not provided for by the Boeing), the wreckage was painted white, blue and golden by the colors of the American Air Force. A pylon for underwing weapons was also discovered.
    But the Boeing was shot down by the Yankees. And at the same time they remained on horseback.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 4 September 2013 12: 04
      0
      Quote: knn54
      American scout RS-135, outwardly similar to a Boeing.

      Yes?
      do not make me laugh
      and "French explorer Michel Brune" is still that son-in-law!
    2. Lee
      Lee 5 September 2013 07: 39
      0
      Quote: knn54
      American scout RS-135, looks similar to a Boeing

      Actually, this is Boeing, a "relative" of the 707th.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 4 September 2013 13: 13
    +1
    Here is a rather interesting material on this topic: "The mystery of the Boeing shot down over Sakhalin: Was there a real air battle in the sky over the USSR?" http://www.kp.ru/daily/24352/539985/
    In all this, it is still perplexing, both the position of the leadership of the USSR and the position of the leadership of the Russian Federation, tacitly recognizing (recognizing) the destruction of scheduled passenger aircraft with HUNDRED victims, then, as you know, that there were no passengers, etc. etc.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 4 September 2013 19: 03
      +2
      According to Osipovich, they lifted the MiG-23, and not a word more about this plane, what did he do, who piloted?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 4 September 2013 21: 18
        +1
        And here is even more killer material on the topic: Michelle Brune "SAKHALIN INCIDENT: The True Mission of Flight KAL 007"
        Translation by Evgeny Kovalev
        http://www.airforce.ru/history/kal007/index.htm
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 4 September 2013 21: 35
          0
          Andrei read, there’s some kind of apocalyptic scenario there. I can’t understand why our leadership tried to shut up the incident?
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 4 September 2013 21: 47
            0
            Hi Sasha!
            By God, I won't put my mind to it. Although, our inescapable "don't touch the shit, it won't stink" continues to play evil jokes with us. It is the same with the Kursk ... oh, I’m tired of listing. That's how we are ...
  • daem00n
    daem00n 4 September 2013 13: 49
    +3
    The mattresses clearly set as their goal to make the entire air defense system in the Far East work, which they did successfully and that the plane got lost there and that it was shot down, I think they were of last interest.
  • left-wing
    left-wing 4 September 2013 18: 52
    -1
    It has long been proven that they landed on the moon, including many Russian experts, but to someone there is everything.
  • Rusik.S
    Rusik.S 4 September 2013 18: 56
    0
    We will never know the truth. It is clear that the Boeing pilots were used in the dark, lay the wrong coordinates and forward .. About this Boeing on Lurka, article 6 was there, a rather interesting version was given there
  • Strashila
    Strashila 4 September 2013 19: 11
    +3
    Nobody in the world listened to the arguments of the USSR, actually the arguments of Russia are now the same. So that the board got in touch 50 minutes after the incident, who in the world was interested in. Finding fragments that moved against the tide, who are interested in this phenomenon. Lack of bodies and luggage ... if I’m not mistaken in the early 2000s, the French Airbus disappeared in the Atlantic ... a year later, the bodies were found and raised.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 4 September 2013 19: 37
    +1
    And on May 28, 1987, 18-year-old Matthias Rust calmly planted Cessna on Red Square. Fighters rose, the plane was accompanied. And no one gave up the order to bring down. Perestroika And then their heads flew away. And carry it, maaaalenky bomb? All shame began with Gorbachev. And the question is not the speed of fighters. There are ground-based air defense systems.
    1. 7ydmco
      7ydmco 4 September 2013 21: 29
      0
      There is an opinion that they did not give orders, so that they would lose their heads.
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 4 September 2013 22: 34
      +1
      According to the Geneva Convention, it is forbidden to use weapons on light-engine and sports aircraft.
      1. apro
        apro 5 September 2013 00: 48
        0
        The Geneva Convention is written for the losers, for the masters of the world once again to show their invulnerability.
        1. old man54
          old man54 5 September 2013 01: 32
          +1
          Quote: apro
          The Geneva Convention is written for the losers, for the masters of the world once again to show their invulnerability.

          Well, not without it, these are old Jewish-Naglaxaxon traditions, to consolidate their advantage legally and to cover their weaknesses in the same way! wink
  • albert
    albert 4 September 2013 22: 32
    +2
    The Americans deliberately could send the plane both for slaughter and for reconnaissance. For example, Air France, having started regular flights to the USSR, specially used civilian planes for espionage, motivating frequent deviations from the flight course by technical malfunctions and "pilot errors." According to declassified documents, French intelligence received the coordinates of five Soviet missile bases. Such flights continued until the Soviet authorities made a statement to the French that in the event of another such deviation from the routes, "French aircraft would go astray, even if if they transport the embalmed body of Comrade Lenin. " If a country that was not then a NATO member was engaged in such things, then God himself ordered the Yankees to do this.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 4 September 2013 22: 53
    +2
    "Accident is a realized necessity" (Marxism-Leninism).

    "Random" course deviation was caused by "necessity" intelligence work ...
  • Denis
    Denis 5 September 2013 00: 46
    +1
    works of Western "writers" telling that in fact the Boeing was not shot down, but was only forced to land on the island of the USSR administrative-territorial unit
    Bredovo, Boeing is not An-2, he needs a lane ...
    To the question about the fate of the passengers, a simple answer is given: they are kept in the Gulag, because special "secret" camps are still preserved in Siberia. Cases of telephone calls to relatives made by those who were supposed to die thirty years ago are cited as “evidence”. For example, an engineer who was discussing electronic systems on board a Korean airliner unexpectedly called his mother, but only managed to inform him that everything was okay with him, after which he immediately hung up.
    And here in general ... it’s like Trotsky. It is doubtful very much that there is a phone on the camp where you can call your mother abroad. Here and Trotsky is resting, because not even every movie they lie
    If there were such camps, then, in the disaster, the citizens who flashed publicity would ring for one or two, like a wiretap in the embassy of mattresses
    At the same time, some true-minded ransacker interviewed the pilot who reassured the Boeing and let a tear
    I wonder why South Korean planes are chosen for violations?
  • gameover65
    gameover65 8 September 2013 14: 18
    0
    I was still a kid at that time, but my parents participated in the search for a downed Boeing in the crew of a fishing vessel. they worked a lot there. parts of the plane were lifted, but the bodies of the dead, or at least fragments of bodies, were neither caught by us nor from the Nevelsk BTF. ships worked there then enough.
    there were no passengers there.
  • akv0571
    akv0571 9 September 2013 09: 22
    0
    Until there is an explanation of where the bodies went, this flight will remain a mystery.
  • atracom
    atracom 21 August 2017 13: 31
    0
    Yes, there were no bodies there, and no one flew on a Boeing, and in general it’s a lie and a provocation.
    Just keep in mind that with such settings it is normal in This Country. and there everyone remembers everything: whoever is needed, remember all the dead, someone personally knew them. It doesn’t work out, as in This Country, to give TsU that white is black. They remember the difference. And someday they will remind.