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General rules of conduct on the site:
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On our site you need to behave respectfully to all site visitors. Do not insult to the participants - it is always superfluous. If there are claims - contact Admins or Moderators (use private messages). Insulting other visitors is considered one of the most serious violations and is strictly punished by the administration. We thank you in advance for your understanding and for the desire to make our site more polite and friendly.
The site is strictly prohibited:
a) mat in any form (open and veiled), swear words; insults and threats against your opponent;
b) inciting national hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: Khokhol, Khokhlyandiya, Zhid, UWB, Bulbash, Talaponets, Chock, Khachik, Azer, cross-eyed, Moskal, Raska (generally mentioning Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech ;
at) Flud
Flood (from incorrectly pronounced [1] English flood - flooding, flooding) - messages in Internet forums and chat rooms that occupy large volumes and do not carry any useful information. Normal flood messaging - Sending a large number of similar messages. Flood spreads as a result of an excess of free time, and with the aim of trolling - for example, from the desire to annoy someone.

d) Have multiple accounts one visitor;
d) Insulting the religious beliefs and feelings of citizens, such as: the publication of anti-religious demotivators, sayings, poems, video and audio clips, etc .;
This rule has been in effect for several months. And only a couple of visitors were banned for it - for frantic anti-Orthodox comments. No one is going to punish for "expressing one's opinion within the framework of a rational discussion, without mats, screams, insults and other flooding" ...

e) With all due respect to other languages, The language of communication in the comments to published articles is Russian.. Unfortunately, speakers of other languages ​​often use them to clarify the relationship between themselves, while using obscene language. In addition, the forum assumes publicity, therefore, statements written in any foreign language and incomprehensible to the absolute majority of readers due to their ignorance of various foreign languages ​​will be deleted;
g) It is forbidden to add articles from third-party sites to comments, since this is contrary to the purpose of the commenting function: comments on the site are intended solely for the readers to express their own opinions regarding the published articles. At the same time, reasonable quoting of materials from other sites is allowed within one comment with the obligatory reference to the source. For the insertion of whole articles from third-party resources in the comments (“comments with continuation”) - delete all user comments and reset the rating;
h) The site is prohibited targeted methodical downgrade opponenti.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be lowered by 50%.

An example of a single user logs. There you can see that the "YAKOBY" specifically minus all the comments in a row this user. Specially waited time and minus. This is what is called “targeted minus”:
New additions to the site rules

This will be considered a violation. If one and the same user zaminusoval two consecutive comments - this is valid, but if more violation.
And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

For violations - warnings and ban:
4 warning - ban for two days;
7 warnings - ban on 10 days;
9 warnings - ban on 30 days;
10 warnings - an eternal ban.

The term "ban" means that the site can be viewed, but you can not log into your account and leave comments.
A warning or a ban can be challenged by writing to the site administration if you think that the punishment has been applied unfairly. Even after deleting your comment from the site, it remains in the archive, and you can view it if you wish.
By decision of the Site Council (it includes admins and moderators) a ban can be imposed on a visitor or his account can be removed from the site, regardless of the presence of warnings.
Let us respect each other and our website on which you and other readers come to talk and express their thoughts. The management reserves the right to remove comments, or part of the comments, if they do not meet these requirements.
Insult administrators or moderators also punishable ban - respect the work of others.
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  1. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 30 August 2013 08: 59 New
    +6
    “Everything should be beautiful in a person: face, clothes, soul, and
    thoughts ... ”, - said the Great Russian classic Anton Pavlovich Chekhov ...
    1. experienced
      experienced 30 August 2013 09: 40 New
      31
      Confuses this item
      h) A targeted methodical downgrade of the opponent’s rating is prohibited on the site, i.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be lowered by 50%.

      If I do not like all the comments of a member of the forum, why am I deprived of the legal right to put him "-". There are trolls on the site who sometimes want to put a hundred minuses. I myself try not to sin with this, I don’t go to the "rear and archives" in order to settle scores, but sometimes people get so pissed off that they tremble in their hands, and he also gets pissed off, how can I not minus comments in the article? Yesterday the "gishpanets" was annealed, it seems, in a state of doping. Explaining something to him is not possible, but from him as from a toilet into which yeast was thrown rushing ...
      It seems to me that it is much shittier when they attack in "flocks", here you really "put out the light", and if the loners "come together in battle" and do not appeal to the Admin and the moderators, then isn't it better not to get involved in "other people's squabbles"? Now, if someone complained and "substantiated", then there are no complaints. IMHO hi

      PS If you initially gave the right to put "-" and "+", then why now infringe on members of the forum in this right. There are few eccentrics who "are thrilled" putting "-", basically, that it was (hitting, insulting ...) and "-" is the result.

      And the concept
      targeted methodical reduction of the opponent’s rating, i.e. multiple minus one user comments
      in my opinion "blurred". How much is 10% of the opponent's comments per day, 25%, 50% or 75%?
      Let us, while establishing such serious Rules, denote somehow the "fact of violation" by numbers. And then someone will write 2 comments, I will minus both of them and "hit" belay
      1. Smirnov Vadim
        30 August 2013 09: 51 New
        +3
        There is a time limit for evaluating the comments of one user. This was done precisely in order that there were no such things.
        1. experienced
          experienced 30 August 2013 10: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Smirnov Vadim
          There is a time limit for evaluating the comments of one user. This was done precisely in order that there were no such things.

          Hello, Vadim hi I do not argue with the time limit, moreover, it may even be worth increasing from 10 seconds to 1 minute or 5 minutes, no questions asked. The question concerns the definition of "targeted minus", I don't understand. Close for the spacer "-" comments that are more than 3 days old and the problem will "dissolve" by itself. in 3 days you can't drive it into your skulls, but don't regulate the process hi You do not know the "root causes", and analyzing the "squabbles" you will simply get bogged down in them. Now "circulation and minus the archives" takes place, and this evil must be fought, and not with the fact that the comments in some article were "minus" to the opponent. Minus passed and "lost steam" hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: seasoned
            because in 3 days you can't really drive it into the skull, but don't regulate the process itself

            If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.
            1. experienced
              experienced 30 August 2013 10: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

              I expressed myself incorrectly, I wanted to say that minus the comments of the opponent, which he left on the site in 3 days, you will not cause much damage to him. This is if they are closed for "-" comments that are more than 3 days old (archived)
            2. Mitek
              Mitek 30 August 2013 10: 22 New
              13
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: seasoned
              because in 3 days you can't really drive it into the skull, but don't regulate the process itself

              If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

              And to me personally, all ratings to one intimate place. I like it here because you can get a reasoned answer, even if it contradicts my opinion. In addition, it closes knowledge gaps and distortions in information. But the paragraph on anti-religious propaganda ... I'm sorry, but I'm disgusted. It’s also a pity that Amers cannot be called idiots.
              1. Very old
                Very old 30 August 2013 11: 14 New
                +2
                Mitek, I come to communicate, express myself, find out people's opinions and learn something. Twice I visited the website "The Third World War", so there they openly agreed on the forum: Let's ban this ... Well, like a football match fixing. I really hope this will not happen
                1. tukzar
                  tukzar 30 August 2013 11: 24 New
                  +1
                  I really hope this does not happen in VO

                  this will not happen MORE ....
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 30 August 2013 11: 48 New
                    -1
                    Quote: tukzar
                    this will not happen MORE ....

                    I have never liked empty-headedness, but here I also have slogans. Ex "quiet", have you been given the authority of "enforcing the Rules" and given a "magic keyboard and mouse"? Or can you only communicate with slogans? winked
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 1 September 2013 12: 38 New
                      +4
                      Quote: seasoned
                      Or are you only able to communicate with slogans?

                      Today I suggested to admins not to put "+" for slogans, and comments like "Great", "still such", "handsome!" do not evaluate, because information does not carry, but only emotions.
                      1. ele1285
                        ele1285 8 November 2013 16: 12 New
                        +1
                        And when did you fall in love with a girl, did you also clearly pronounce everything according to the charter or were there emotions?
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 11: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Very old
                  And let's ban it ... Well, like a football match, I really hope that this doesn’t happen

                  Ban is the administrator’s right, as regards contracts, they used to be, now they aren’t.
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 30 August 2013 11: 32 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    with regard to contracts, before they were


                    here from here in PM
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 11: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Apollon
                      here from here in PM

                      Oh Apollo, why do you need it, everything is already overgrown with moss. Yes, and you yourself know wink
              2. tukzar
                tukzar 30 August 2013 11: 16 New
                +4
                I personally all ratings to one intimate place. I like it here because you can get a reasoned answer, even if it contradicts my opinion

                I completely agree with you !!!!
                1. Current 72
                  Current 72 31 August 2013 20: 10 New
                  +8
                  I’ve been following a military review for a long time. I tried to register, but it didn’t work. And here I am. I like VO with my articles and discussion by their club members. I understand the word FREEDOM not as permissiveness, but as self-discipline, morality and conscience. About the minuses and pluses , I think it’s not necessary to limit, but simply designate, for example -7 15 + 11, and then I think everything will work out. In vain minus, I think no one will. Sorry, I'm not an experienced member of the club yet.
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 14 October 2013 11: 49 New
                    0
                    Strange, but I have 3 different registrations, somehow it worked alone today, I don’t understand - what
                    it is ...
                2. michajlo
                  michajlo 8 October 2013 10: 45 New
                  0
                  tukzar RU August 30, 2013 11:16 ↑

                  Mitek (1) SU August 30, 2013 10:22 ↑
                  I personally all ratings to one intimate place. I like it here because you can get a reasoned answer, even if it contradicts my opinion

                  I completely agree with you !!!!


                  Good day to all!

                  I have exactly the same opinion as the two quoted members of the forum. Here on the site I am interested in communication, exchange of opinions, joint search for answers to a question, study of links from others. And the very process of communication and searching, of what connects us, is dearer to me than all the "+" and "-" received or abandoned.

                  If I was “bombarded +” yesterday, I don’t boast about it, but today (just for example) after exchanging one or two “Remarks” with someone, and I’ll “drop the -200 mark,” I personally “run to complain” to Admin about this does not intend. For me, these points are NOT so important. And after some such “actions”, without my response, why didn’t the “rating / rating failures” repeat me again? what Either I turned out to be insensitive to this “way of clarifying relations”, or did “these individuals” come to my senses? I don’t know, but I had such a result.

                  What in my opinion is much more important, is that the Admins, here on the site FAIRLY support the "very high general level of decency" of the statements between our members of the forum! drinks
                  In heated discussions, it is very easy for all of us, including me, to “slip into the swearing kind of communication”, especially if the opponent is an experienced “swindler and seditious / V.S. Vysotsky”, and then from the decent patriotic and serious VO site, we will easily slide ALL to the level "cesspools in the forecourt buffet 5 minutes before closing."

                  That's because of this parameter (respecting the limits of decency), I’m personally ready to calmly transfer and some kind of “in my opinion an unjust step towards me from the Admin”, it will not leave me, at the moment, maybe my emotional assessment will not the most accurate, from the side you can clearly see better how I look. smile Well, after a week or two, these things are not worth remembering, except that someone will remain “insulted to death”.

                  And besides, dear admins, you too, just like we are mere mortals. In one case, you will do everything “according to the Bible”, but another time you rivet directly “according to Capital”. belay

                  In general terms, I, as a new Forum, do not have any serious comments on the work and rules of the Admins. In addition, you can always after some time some provisions that are not necessary or good, to change them.

                  By the way, dear Admins, I still have not received from you an answer to my offer to you in my opinion 2-3 weeks ago. what
                  In it, I suggested that you “adjust the cap” of the cited Note, where, in addition to “nickname and the inscription Today 11:15, new”, also indicate the date in full or abbreviated form like “_131005 / sub” or “Sub / 05-10-2013 ". Indication of the date will help with later quoting or responding to this Note.

                  Sincerely, Mikhailo.
              3. ele1285
                ele1285 8 November 2013 16: 09 New
                0
                You know the GENERALS, I am very interested in this site. But sometimes I don’t understand you about the names, SPS, etc. I have a KHOKHLUSHKA wife, she calls herself that, what is nationalist here? I consider myself and tell her about myself "B" and I do not see any national religious discord in this. Maybe I'm wrong, but it turns out that we speak different languages, but I am against swear words.
            3. vladkavkaz
              vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 12: 42 New
              +1
              Alexander Romanov
              Enlighten, what is "driving into the skull"? This is a ban, is it to disavow an opponent, or something else
          2. Smirnov Vadim
            30 August 2013 10: 11 New
            +2
            I showed you an example from the logs of one user. It can be seen that "JACOBS" specifically minus all comments in a row of this user. I specially bided my time and minus. This is what is called “targeted minus”. And at the expense of increasing the time - this has already been tried - it did not go ...

            And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:
            1. experienced
              experienced 30 August 2013 10: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: Smirnov Vadim
              And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

              Vadim, and yet if a member of the forum was given the right to evaluate the comments of other members of the forum and endowed him with an "evaluative function", then why do you want to interfere in this process? You know, I never complained about the "-", although I used to "ogreb", and someone, having received a minus for the comment, then dirtied the entire thread of discussions with their comments
              "Who minus me?"
              "For what I was minusanuli again, show up, tell me why" and so on and so 10 comments for 1 "-". Close the archive for "-" and punish those who, for example, put everyone in the topic without analyzing the minus (there are some), but you should not evaluate members of the forum in their "legitimacy of ratings" IMHO hi

              PS Here people seem to me to confuse the topic and come for the "rating" wassat
              Modera remove this nonsense
              Quote: colonel
              And it is right!!!

              Quote: LaGlobal
              Rules must be respected! And this is true.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 38 New
                +4
                Quote: seasoned
                and someone got a minus for the comment, then the whole discussion thread will spoil their comments
                "Who minus me?"

                Removing komenty and all. No problem.
                Modera remove this nonsense
                No breaking the rules!
              2. FATEMOGAN
                FATEMOGAN 31 August 2013 01: 37 New
                +3
                I support Aleksey, that’s such an incomprehensible situation now, for example, you are discussing with someone and categorically disagree with the person’s arguments, we abandoned each one for 5 comments, and now it will be possible to evaluate only 2 comments, and tell the rest what to do, not to answer or immediately put the pros. How to say this is a strange rule.
              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 1 September 2013 12: 56 New
                +3
                Quote: seasoned
                Close the archive for "-" and punish those who, for example, put everyone in the topic without analyzing the minus (there are some), but you should not evaluate the members of the forum in their "legality of ratings"

                Alexey, I fully support you. Moreover, putting cons in the archive is like shooting in the back! Such figures simply need to be banned for months, with the sending of a personal message about why he was banned.
              4. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 3 October 2013 15: 53 New
                +2
                Quote: seasoned
                Close the archive for "-"

                I do not agree. Let’s say one of the forum users was interested in his commentary and it became interesting to me - he systematically thinks and writes in such a way, or just the specific material of a single article affected him so painfully. To do this, I go to his profile, read and vote, what is the crime?
                Here are group attacks, as a rule on a national basis, yes, it’s unpleasant when they neglect you as a group, without arguments, simply because you allegedly touched someone’s national feelings with an absolutely correct statement. What to do in this case?
            2. Kars
              Kars 30 August 2013 11: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: Smirnov Vadim
              And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

              Let me see my profile.)))
              1. Smirnov Vadim
                30 August 2013 11: 09 New
                -1
                Quote: Kars
                Let me see my profile.)))


                Profile see any number. Logs are available only to admins. Why is it clear ...
          3. tukzar
            tukzar 30 August 2013 10: 17 New
            +4
            And how do you explain this ??

            No. I only recruit recruits, the "quiet" declared war, promised to drive me into the skull, said that I was drunk and brought it into the emergency situation wassat Now I am looking for members of the forum and ready to exchange each of them "-" quiet for "+" from me. Only business and nothing but hi
            The marshals will minus "free", and I will also connect them, it was not worth touching ...


            It turns out double standards ?? in words one thing and really another ... hi

            If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

            Since you did not suffer, then he did not write ...

            and I will quote:

            I’m drunk, but I control myself and the situation around!
            1. Smirnov Vadim
              30 August 2013 10: 20 New
              +4
              Well, you can't think of it against this rule. It remains to hope for the decency of those whom this "businessman" will call companions ...
              1. experienced
                experienced 30 August 2013 10: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: Smirnov Vadim
                Well, you can't think of it against this rule. It remains to hope for the decency of those whom this "businessman" will call companions ...

                It was me recourse This "quiet" really offended me with comments, there was something from a series of comparisons of the nickname with my intellect and in a very offensive form, so I got carried away. repeat
                Hot-tempered, I admit hi But sometimes the boors really get it am
                It turns out double standards ?? in words one thing and really another ...

                I’m just for the fact that if I was rude, rude, then “ogrebay” and streamline, and do not complain to the Admin “I am white and fluffy, but they do not like me” winked
                So no double standards hi
                1. tukzar
                  tukzar 30 August 2013 10: 49 New
                  +6
                  Hot-tempered, I admit

                  There is a good remedy against this - to do 100 squats (or how much you can) or take a contrast shower. Quiet acted decently and did not divide you by 50% .....
                2. tukzar
                  tukzar 30 August 2013 10: 50 New
                  0
                  This "quiet" really offended me with comments

                  Footnote pliz !!! How did it all begin ??
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 30 August 2013 10: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: tukzar
                    Hot-tempered, I admit, Against this, there is a good way - to do 100 squats (or how much you can) or take a contrast shower. Quiet acted decently and did not divide you by 50% .....

                    Quote: tukzar
                    Hot-tempered, I admit, Against this, there is a good way - to do 100 squats (or how much you can) or take a contrast shower. Quiet acted decently and did not divide you by 50% .....

                    As I understand it, the "quiet" reincarnated and the disassembly began wassat
                    Bugaga, in contrast to some "footnotes and quotations" I do not save up, and as I "flash" I calm down.
                    Hunting again to "wrestle"? Experience not for the future? winked

                    By the way, here is an example of an "offended" member of the forum, he himself can offend when he receives the "return" quietly "merges", then resentment and anger boil and it started off again. Here is who else will remember some "quiet", he was nobody and there was no way to call him ... wassat
                    1. tukzar
                      tukzar 30 August 2013 12: 56 New
                      +2
                      As I understand it, the "quiet" reincarnated

                      And it doesn’t occur to you that now you are talking with his brother ???? Now write another person disgusting.


                      Pop clone
                      1. experienced
                        experienced 30 August 2013 12: 58 New
                        +3
                        Quote: tukzar
                        And it doesn’t occur to you that now you are talking with his brother ???? Now write to another person of nastiness. Populate the wassat clone

                        Yes, even with the whole family, and then he himself put his tongue in?
                        Let the rest of the relatives regret and go to war on the offender wassat
                        In the profile "Friend among strangers" characterizes you very much, damn it laughing
                        One continuous flood from you in this thread and no constructive. They offended my brother, I came and they offend me, tomorrow someone else from ours will come. Masochists ... wassat
                    2. tukzar
                      tukzar 30 August 2013 12: 56 New
                      0
                      As I understand it, the "quiet" reincarnated

                      And it doesn’t occur to you that now you are talking with his brother ???? Now write another person disgusting.


                      Pop clone
              2. Sandov
                Sandov 30 August 2013 10: 54 New
                +8
                Maybe you shouldn’t curse the process too much. Maybe it’s better to cancel the rating then. Let's say I’m not pleasant or insulting statements, well, let's say Pupyrchaty. Can't I promote?
                1. Smirnov Vadim
                  30 August 2013 10: 59 New
                  0
                  Read below for this rule. There is an explanation!
                2. velikoros-xnumx
                  velikoros-xnumx 3 October 2013 15: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sandov
                  Let’s say not pleasant or insulting remarks to me, let’s say Pupyrchaty

                  In
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: tukzar
              Since you did not suffer, then he did not write ...

              I didn’t minus the Pacific, I don’t even particularly remember what the quiet wrote and what kind of reitig he had. Tranzhira did not invite me to minus him and will not offer him, simply because with the proposal to minus Manager I answered him negatively.
              1. tukzar
                tukzar 30 August 2013 10: 59 New
                +3
                Quiet I didn’t minus

                The conversation is not about you Alexander !!! A conversation about those who, without hesitation, vypimsya begins a mess and then begins to cry and ask for help to once again assert itself ....
                1. experienced
                  experienced 30 August 2013 11: 08 New
                  +4
                  If in a row two and three comments were made by the same user - this is acceptable, but if there is more violation.

                  Vadim, here are the conditions: in the evening I go to the site and read the article, in the comments there are comments from the forum member "X" and there are 6 of them. they are scattered throughout the thread, but all in the same style (negative to my understanding of the topic) I read the comments, someone "+", someone "-" and it turns out that I put this "X" for each comment - ". Is this a violation? Will I be punished?
                  1. Smirnov Vadim
                    30 August 2013 11: 12 New
                    +1
                    While you finish reading them before each comment will take time and it is unlikely that your assessments will be in a row ... And even if in a row, no one specifically looks at all the logs, but only according to reports from those who have fallen heavily, all of a sudden.
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 30 August 2013 11: 14 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Smirnov Vadim
                      While you finish reading them before each comment will take time and it is unlikely that your assessments will be in a row ... And even if in a row, no one specifically looks at all the logs, but only according to reports from those who have fallen heavily, all of a sudden.

                      Thanks for the answer, now it’s become clear hi
                    2. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 1 September 2013 13: 29 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Smirnov Vadim
                      specially, no one is looking at all the logs, but only according to the messages of those who have fallen heavily, all of a sudden.

                      Vadim! It turns out that the kosher people complained to the Admins about me, because I caught the Professor in a lie !? Well, this is the "genocide" of the Russian people! Many do not like the children of the tribe of Israel (for example, Pimply!), But that does not mean that I treat IGOR the same way I treat his brothers. There is a difference in evaluative positions, and they appeal to me, they are in tune with my thoughts. Why am I going to bet him "-"?
                2. experienced
                  experienced 30 August 2013 11: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: tukzar
                  The conversation is not about you Alexander !!! A conversation about those who, without hesitation, vypimsya begins a mess and then begins to cry and ask for help to once again assert itself ....

                  Flooding is not tired? laughing There are bores ...
                  A serious topic, and here they flood about the insults of the past and who wrote to someone in a pot fool
              2. The comment was deleted.
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 1 September 2013 12: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            You do not know the "root causes", and analyzing the "squabbles" you will simply get bogged down in them. Now "circulation and minus the archives" takes place, and this evil must be fought, and not with the fact that the comments in some article were "minus" to the opponent. Minus passed and "lost steam"

            I agree! As a victim of "innovations" - on 30.08 they introduced - they didn't warn us, didn't read it, but they cut it off "like a Jew" by 50%! As I understood for the Jews I caught in a lie.
            Negative archiving is prohibited. Access to them is limited to 1 by day. But to express their opinion by minus the opponent even in scientific circles is practiced (voting by balls).
      2. Current 72
        Current 72 31 August 2013 19: 43 New
        +1
        I support you!
      3. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 3 October 2013 15: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        S If initially they gave the right to put "-" and "+", then why now infringe on members of the forum in this right. There are few eccentrics who "are thrilled" putting "-", basically, that it was (hitting, insulting ...) and "-" is the result.

        Agree
        Quote: seasoned
        And the concept
        targeted methodical reduction of the opponent’s rating, i.e. multiple minus one user comments
        in my opinion "blurred". How much is 10% of the opponent's comments per day, 25%, 50% or 75%?
        Let us, while establishing such serious Rules, denote somehow the "fact of violation" by numbers. And then someone will write 2 comments, I'll minus both of them and "got" belay

        I join, specifics are required. There were situations - the site hung, I click the minus sign, it doesn’t respond, I click it again, here the vote works, and I’m a bang warning. Or, for example, I go to the user's profile, look at his previous comments, but they are mostly insane or treacherous or degrading, etc. (from my point of view). I’m minus them not because I consciously lower his rating without reading the comments, but because I fundamentally disagree with his (her) opinion, and what am I for that, ban? Then what is the point of voting - to sing praises to each other (for some reason, deliberately raising the rating is not forbidden, where is the logic).
    2. Current 72
      Current 72 31 August 2013 19: 40 New
      +1
      I agree with you. But besides this, a person is obliged to comply with the written and not written (moral) laws of the society in which he lives.
  2. Colonel
    Colonel 30 August 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    And it is right!!!
  3. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 30 August 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    Rules must be respected! And this is true.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 30 August 2013 12: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: LaGlobal
      Rules must be respected! And this is true.


      They must, but very many violate them. The most striking example
      Site rules:
      b) inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, yandiya, Jew, USA Bulbash, Talaponet, chock, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, Raska (generally speaking of Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech;

      rare articles do without expressions such as "gayrope, s, Jews" and so on. I understand that the actions of the United States irritate many, like me, but we must try to control ourselves.
      1. washi
        washi 30 August 2013 15: 48 New
        +9
        Sorry for my ignorance, but I did not understand how to replace the word Azerbaijani and Jew ??
        Persons living in the western part of the Caspian Sea, former subjects of Persia, who were under the influence of the Ottoman Empire, Aiser (excuse me), Rothschild subordinates, Jews, Jews, moneylenders, bankers, former Khazars?
        But is macaw inciting hatred or will translation into Russian be considered?
        And if a khachik is a name?
        Why is North America (SAS) a violation, or have the Yankees already taken over both continents? (By the way, the Yankees (residents of the northern states of the USA) is also an insult?)
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 30 August 2013 19: 53 New
          -3
          Quote: Vasya
          Why North American States of America (SASA)

          What's new. What is this North American state? there is no such state. there are only united states of america.
          1. Raiven
            Raiven 30 August 2013 22: 07 New
            +1
            will be soon wassat
          2. biglow
            biglow 31 August 2013 11: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: bazilio
            Quote: Vasya
            Why North American States of America (SASA)

            What's new. What is this North American state? there is no such state. there are only united states of america.

            Before World War II, the United States was called that. Nothing new
            1. bazilio
              bazilio 31 August 2013 14: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: biglow
              Before World War II, the United States was called that. Nothing new

              no, they were called the USA - the North American United States and not the USA
  4. srha
    srha 30 August 2013 09: 20 New
    10
    "Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French people http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      30 August 2013 09: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: srha
      "Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French people http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc.


      Do not distort!
  5. Manager
    Manager 30 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +4
    "Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French people http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc.



    Here it is right!
    1. experienced
      experienced 30 August 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Manager
      "Any anti-Orthodox and anti-religious propaganda in general" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc. That's right!


      Maxim, no need to "shine with red-mindedness" in this thread hi
      The admin comes to meet us, discussing innovations, but "does not cut from the shoulder", let's at least in this thread we will discuss what is interesting and exciting, and not joke hi
      No offense hi
      1. Manager
        Manager 30 August 2013 10: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Maxim, no need to "shine with red-mindedness" in this thread

        I didn’t just single out that))) I apologize. I wanted to highlight a new rule and say that it is right. As a result, I inadvertently singled out a comment with which by the way I do not agree.
        I apologize!

        + Thank you for noticing.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 1 September 2013 13: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        The admin goes to our meeting, discussing innovations, and "does not cut from the shoulder",

        Oh what a humane our ADMIN, damn it! That's why I think why I went to bed as a general, and when I became a half-colonel.
        It seems not, but did not receive any warning!
        And so they arranged a "circumcision" in the style of complainants and did not even send a notification. Very correct!
  6. Vlad 1965
    Vlad 1965 30 August 2013 09: 33 New
    16
    Dear comrades, administrators and moderators of the site, here you have issued this rule - "Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda, such as: publication of anti-religious demotivators, statements, poems, videos and audio clips, pictures, excerpts from books, etc. One-time violation of this the rules entail an eternal ban; "
    It is clear that frantic barking at any religion (TRADITIONAL for Russia) is not the best method of dispute. There is the concept of CRITICISM, but there is CRITICISM, who will evaluate and how will you contain the advice of religious authorities, or what?
    But in this case, where is the right of people, atheists, to express their opinion, within the framework of a reasonable discussion, without mates, screams, insults and other flooding?
    But the attempt by such an introduction of the rules, to cut back the rights of ATEISTS, does not seem to be very good.
    After all, under the "one-time violation" one can easily sum up any comment, any opinion other than the clerical one.
    In my opinion, if you are interested, this paragraph requires a clearer formulation.
    Why?
    Yes, because by introducing such a RULE, you enable provocateurs to use this rule to the fullest by knocking out opponents' provocative comments from the site.
    Other innovations are quite timely and necessary, this is a fact.
    Thank you for your attention, with respect to your work, Vlad.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      30 August 2013 09: 37 New
      +1
      This rule has been in effect for several months. And only a couple of visitors were banned on it - for rabid anti-Orthodox comments. Nobody is going to punish for "expressing one's opinion, within the framework of a reasonable discussion, without obscenities, yelling, insults and other flooding" ...
      1. washi
        washi 30 August 2013 13: 44 New
        +1
        Sorry, but the words "Islamists" and "Wahhabis" sometimes appear in the news. Is this a violation of the rules? After all, this shows in a negative light the representatives of one of the religions? Or "the Orthodox Church is against the recognition of non-possessors, Old Believers, since they prevent the leadership of the ROC from stealing"?
        As I understand it, any mention of religion should be excluded?
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 30 August 2013 22: 42 New
          0
          Some religions have earned an adequate attitude. So nothing new.
          As for personal enrichment, this is a separate topic of the moral values ​​of our supremacy, which has no direct relation to the mass of religious people.
          Islamists and Wahhabis are terms; a term cannot be offended if it is applied to a specific person and / or group of persons and identifies him or their views.
          Religion is a part of society and disputes regarding religion in one form or another will always be.
          1. washi
            washi 3 September 2013 13: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: carbofo
            Some religions have earned an adequate attitude. So nothing new.
            As for personal enrichment, this is a separate topic of the moral values ​​of our supremacy, which has no direct relation to the mass of religious people.
            Islamists and Wahhabis are terms; a term cannot be offended if it is applied to a specific person and / or group of persons and identifies him or their views.
            Religion is a part of society and disputes regarding religion in one form or another will always be.

            Those. if I write that Patriarch Cyril is a thief and protects bandiuk, and women's monasteries - brothels for priests (if there is evidence) will I not have anything?
            And if I write that the yoke was not Tatar, but Christian? Those. death due to violent Christianization?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Vlad 1965
      But the attempt by such an introduction of the rules, to cut back the rights of ATEISTS, does not seem to be very good.

      Atheist is not a believer, what should he do in the subject of faith? You do not believe, it is not interesting, pass by.
      And anyway, where did they get this nonsense-ATEIST'S RIGHTS ??? The Constitution of the country does not have such a concept. You yourself invent this, and then express dissatisfaction, despite the fact that there was not a single collision with atheists.
      1. Manager
        Manager 30 August 2013 10: 39 New
        +1
        I agree! Why are we Believers in no way trying to insult atheists. And they are directly fiercely fighting for the opportunity to debate on religion?
        Everything is fair! Law (rule) in a timely manner!
        1. El13
          El13 30 August 2013 10: 59 New
          +9
          Because believers, or rather the church, have recently crossed the line of peaceful coexistence and repression has begun, as a correction of the rules in this forum. Today it is introduced into the law on this site and it is used to a limited extent, tomorrow it will be used more widely, and the day after tomorrow the law will be submitted to the State Duma and part of the population (forum visitors) will not be so critical to it ... it all starts with a small one, the pendulum swings into the other side. No one was warned that for violation of this paragraph immediately and categorically life ban (shooting), not a warning, not a downgrade, etc. OTHERWISE. And do not tell me about the feelings of believers, I, as an atheist, also have feelings, but for some reason there is no point about my defense (I don’t ask, I won’t lose it, I can stand up for myself).

          PS For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.
          1. Manager
            Manager 30 August 2013 11: 26 New
            +4
            Quote: El13
            PS For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.


            It depends. In many cases, I look at atheism as allowing myself to live and sin. So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism. (By the way, I didn’t decide, but just somewhere I read the statement of some philosopher and I liked it).

            Nevertheless, there were even more atheists in the USSR, but at the same time everyone lived in peace. And now, straightforwardly, all atheism is bursting with a laugh at the Orthodox (yes, it is over the Orthodox faith). For some reason, no one allows himself to make statements, etc., in relation to the Rabbis and Imams. Although they also sometimes have expensive cars and in general religions are even more strict.
            So who gave you the right to laugh and condemn the Orthodox religion? Don't you think that they are trying to divide us into 2 more camps inside the country? Be smarter! Understand the essence! Live simple and enjoy life!
            You do not like how priests behave, well, okay. Do not confuse priests (those de deputies) with religion. Do not allow yourself to say docile words. It’s like in the yard. Your friend is not right, but you need to intercede for him. After all, he is his own.
            1. does it
              does it 30 August 2013 13: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: Manager
              So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism

              And the worship of the remains, that is, carrion (which must be given to the earth) on which "business" is not Satanism? At the expense of hypocrisy in relation to prices - donations and tax evasion, I am silent!
              1. Manager
                Manager 30 August 2013 13: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: kvirit
                And the worship of the remains, that is, carrion (which must be given to the earth) on which "business" is not Satanism? At the expense of hypocrisy in relation to prices - donations and tax evasion, I am silent!


                You confuse belief in God with the temples that do business. Why is there no such problem for Muslims, for example? For them, for example, donation, on the contrary, is a noble cause. Do you also have complaints to them? Or, as usual, only claims to Orthodoxy ???
                1. does it
                  does it 30 August 2013 14: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Manager
                  Why is there no such problem for Muslims, for example?

                  All religions have problems! Just for many, religion is a screen for doing business, including a bloody one.
                2. El13
                  El13 30 August 2013 19: 12 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Manager
                  You confuse belief in God with the temples that do business.

                  I deliberately did not argue with you, since this is not the topic, but now after this phrase (hit the mark), I would like to ask who will be the judge who will separate "anti-religious statements" from "criticism of the business of churches"? Many people don't understand that faith, religion and temples are three different concepts. And will you understand if I tell you that I am a believer, but do not belong to any religion in the world? Therefore, I call myself an atheist.
            2. washi
              washi 30 August 2013 13: 55 New
              +3
              It depends. In many cases, I look at atheism as allowing myself to live and sin. So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism. (By the way, I didn’t decide, but just somewhere I read the statement of some philosopher and I liked it).
              And you do not know that most of all, at least in our country, it is the believers who violate the commandments of Christ (one government is worth it). The atheists still remember the "Code of the builders of communism". And there are also Old Believers, Old Believers, non-possessors. And these are all offshoots of Christianity brought to Russia and echoes of the forcible baptism of Russia.
              1. Manager
                Manager 30 August 2013 14: 05 New
                -2
                Quote: Vasya
                And you do not know that most of all, at least in our country, it is the believers of Christ who violate the commandments of Christ


                Oh well! Statistics in the studio, comrade!
                1. washi
                  washi 3 September 2013 13: 30 New
                  +2
                  And you look at the statistics of the Church regarding places of detention. Or browse the official church holidays. How many thieves are there ?.
            3. Alex 241
              Alex 241 30 August 2013 14: 32 New
              +3
              Quote: Manager
              For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.
              Rather, it refers to agnostics: I believe that I do not believe in anything.
            4. carbofo
              carbofo 30 August 2013 23: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Manager
              In many cases, I look at atheism as allowing myself to live and sin. So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism


              I completely agree that atheism may well be a religion in fact, but this is a separate issue.
              Sin regarding what? true faith? and how true it is, maybe Atheism, you don’t find an interesting paradox here.
              Satanism is the antipode of religion in a sense, judging by it, it includes a mirror image of religion but with a minus sign, of course, conditionally, the concepts of good and evil depend solely on the point of view of the observer.
              Atheism is not the antipode of any religion, rather, it denies their tenets, no more.
              Nobody runs into rabbis and imams just because they can cut off their hands and live with wolves howling with wolves!
              Moreover, if all our religious figures corresponded to the principles that they preach, then there would be fewer questions.
              But no, they don’t want to. Get a sign!
              1. Manager
                Manager 31 August 2013 09: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: carbofo
                Moreover, if all our religious figures corresponded to the principles that they preach, then there would be fewer questions.


                So I do not understand, you are already confusing God with those people who preach or what ???
            5. uwzek
              uwzek 31 August 2013 01: 51 New
              +2
              This is not the question. The discussed "fifth point", for all its categorical and peremptory character, is formulated extremely vaguely. If the authors of the wording understood anti-religious propaganda as attacks on the confessions officially recognized in Russia, it would be necessary to say so. Although, most likely, this rule was introduced due to the appearance of some kind of instruction from the supervisory authorities. That is why no one was banned in two months.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 31 August 2013 01: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: uwzek
                . If the authors of the wording by anti-religious propaganda understood attacks on the confessions officially recognized in Russia, it would be necessary to say so.


                I also believe that in this case there should be legally balanced and competent formulations.
          2. Manager
            Manager 30 August 2013 12: 43 New
            -2
            Quote: El13
            Because believers, or rather the church, have recently crossed the line of peaceful coexistence and repression has begun,


            Are you forcibly driven into the Moscow River to be baptized? You won’t be hired until you see a cross on your neck? What is the persecution? Just a song already .... dreamers of mlyn.
            1. El13
              El13 30 August 2013 19: 19 New
              +4
              There are several examples in my life when what is happening now crosses the line of peaceful coexistence, but I will give a recent example of a holiday in Sevastopol, when the organizers of the holiday are required to remove devils, mermaids and other "evil spirits" just because the Vladyka does not like it. And this will only grow, I see how it is growing, therefore I do not like it and not only me, but also those Orthodox who live with me, when, regardless of the opinion of the majority, I emphasize, the majority, through the administrative resource, which now , it's not a secret for anyone, superfluous, I emphasize, superfluous churches are being built close to the church in prestigious places. I understand everything, but the pendulum has passed the equilibrium position, and I don't like it.
              1. carbofo
                carbofo 30 August 2013 23: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: El13
                when the organizers of the holiday are required to remove devils, mermaids and other "evil spirits" just because the Vladyka does not like it

                Vladyka is not smart, it was necessary to play at the end of the performance a scene with the expulsion of devils, it would be both fun and instructive.
                People look at things, if a person only speaks to him, they stop paying attention.
                Somehow my friend’s grandmother was buried and I was invited to help, carry the coffin.
                After the morgue, we went to church, and there I watched a picture that I remember well, because I am not a believer, I had to observe the technology of the ritual.
                Firstly, I made a mistake and called my name, which later was woven into prayer, which did not cause me joyful feelings, since I could not understand what the priest was carrying to me who was less than a meter away.
                And the second moment at which I will focus attention is after each prayer and hymns of 3 grandmothers of regular parishioners, the priest walked with a lamp and fumigated the saints (well, as I literally didn’t specify this procedure), in general, for the second time, he didn’t get a fire , trying several times, he apparently went to fumigate and lit a lamp.
                I like a person who believes that if there is some kind of ritual, then it must be respected, from and to, if something was done wrong, then the meaning of the process disappears.
              2. Manager
                Manager 31 August 2013 09: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: El13
                a holiday in Sevastopol, when the organizers of the holiday are required to remove devils, mermaids and other "evil spirits" just because Vladyka does not like it.


                Well this is nonsense, I agree. Well, it's probably rather rare cases and not statistics.
                1. El13
                  El13 31 August 2013 12: 18 New
                  0
                  You are right, these cases are rare, I would even say very rare, but after their complete absence I see an increase in frequency (although it is really a rarity so far) and this does not please, but so far it is not very annoying.
            2. carbofo
              carbofo 30 August 2013 23: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: Manager
              Are you forcibly driven into the Moscow River to be baptized? You won’t be hired until you see a cross on your neck? What is the persecution? Just a song already .... dreamers of mlyn.

              School religious education lessons are already worth what, I wouldn’t let a person in a cassock close to school, not because they are bad, I just consider teaching religion children unnecessary.
              And then, if there will be Orthodoxy there, the Wahhabis will also catch up by the law, and wave the hand to the children's brain.
              1. Manager
                Manager 31 August 2013 09: 13 New
                0
                Quote: carbofo
                Rocky school religious education is already worth

                They are only in church schools. Do not smack nonsense.
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 7 September 2013 02: 02 New
                  0
                  And what can they teach at a church school ??
                2. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 29 September 2013 00: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Manager
                  They are only in church schools. Do not smack nonsense

                  are behind the times, the subject "Fundamentals of Orthodox Culture" is taught at school once a week in elementary grades
          3. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 13: 03 New
            +5
            El13 RU
            Why, VLAD 1965, immediately asked about this.
            And Alexander Romanov, for some reason, through his lip, with a kind of contempt, apparently from an excess of religious feelings, immediately accused him of the fact that atheists have no right to speak. But it is valid that something is wrong in this RULES code, should something be changed?
            It is clear that not a single normal atheist, for example, simply insulting a Muslim, the Orthodox will not-why, Vera, the matter is purely intimate and the choice of an adult.
            Another matter of any kind of sectarians, Wahhabis, other Jehovah’s witnesses ..
            From precisely such harm where as much.
            Here in the NORTH CAUCASUS, this bearded scum killed a lot of people, but reckoning them as Muslims, the traditional ISLAM in Russia, MAY ONLY FINALLY BE FULLY DECEIVED INDIVIDUAL ...
            1. washi
              washi 3 September 2013 13: 37 New
              0
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              El13 RU
              It is clear that not a single normal atheist, for example, simply insulting a Muslim, the Orthodox will not-why, Vera, the matter is purely intimate and the choice of an adult.
              Another matter of any kind of sectarians, Wahhabis, other Jehovah’s witnesses ..
              From precisely such harm where as much.
              That's when the current Orthodox leadership will carry the word of God on foot to the Islamists and Uniates, despising the dangers, hardships and deprivations will be able to convince the people to indulge in the Orthodox faith. Then I will believe in them.
              In the meantime, only grabbing. Bastards.
              Here in the NORTH CAUCASUS, this bearded scum killed a lot of people, but reckoning them as Muslims, the traditional ISLAM in Russia, MAY ONLY FINALLY BE FULLY DECEIVED INDIVIDUAL ...
          4. Beck
            Beck 2 September 2013 03: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: El13
            For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.


            Faith is not TRUTH, but a private assumption.

            And according to the new rules they will be able to punish privately for no reason whatsoever, because insults to the religious feelings of the believer apply to everything outside the Faith.

            There is no God - an insult. The miracles of fiction are an insult. Signs of myths are an insult. Christianity in the Middle Ages burned people at the stake - an insult. Islam is Orthodox in the Middle Ages - an insult.

            After all, believers do not share verbal abuse and obscenity in a dispute with arguments and arguments.
        2. Very old
          Very old 30 August 2013 11: 27 New
          +3
          MAXIM, in my unenlightened view, it is IMPOSSIBLE to offend the true faith
          1. Manager
            Manager 30 August 2013 11: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Very old
            it is IMPOSSIBLE to offend the true faith


            How to say. For example, we compare faith with a feeling like love. Here you love let's say your wife. And then people fly in who do not believe in love and start laughing at your feelings. Moreover, sometimes even allowing yourself eruptive verbal and against your object of love. Is it possible that everything will be exactly what they laugh at your love and insult your wife?
            Now, for believers, faith is also dear. So there is no need to do this.
            1. washi
              washi 30 August 2013 14: 01 New
              +2
              Any person can see your love, except for frostbitten animals. If he believes in your love for your wife, he will never allow insults, because he will feel your strength and desire to fight for her ..
              And if you are a "dog", then I'm sorry.
            2. carbofo
              carbofo 30 August 2013 22: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Manager
              Compare faith, for example, with a feeling like love

              Tu recently watched the dogs during the rut, the male dog runs relentlessly after the bitch, leaving a maximum of a meter, eyes square, saliva flowing, jaw in tremor, if it's love!? and you equate it with Faith, then forgive me, I do not need such believers at all.
              1. Manager
                Manager 31 August 2013 09: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: carbofo
                Tu recently watched the dogs during the rut, the male dog runs relentlessly after the bitch, leaving a maximum of a meter, eyes square, saliva flowing, jaw in tremor, if it's love!? and you equate it with Faith, then forgive me, I do not need such believers at all.


                Well for you, love is drooling and square eyes. For me, love is an exalted feeling when the soul sings. So you are not lucky with your love campaign.
                1. El13
                  El13 31 August 2013 12: 22 New
                  +1
                  Here I will support you, Love and sex drive are two baaaaa the biggest differences, although they often coexist.
                  1. carbofo
                    carbofo 4 September 2013 17: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: El13
                    Love and sexual attraction are two baaaaa the biggest differences, although they often coexist.

                    No one says that this is one and the same, read carefully, I do not say anything unequivocally.
                    So your demarche is not counted.
                2. carbofo
                  carbofo 4 September 2013 17: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Manager

                  Well for you, love is drooling and square eyes. For me, love is an exalted feeling when the soul sings. So you are not lucky with your love campaign.

                  And where does my love come from? I have described the actual muzzles quite specifically, so your attempt to write this on my account does not count.
                  You didn’t confuse your love with the philharmonic?
                  1. Bort radist
                    Bort radist 4 September 2013 17: 08 New
                    0
                    Quote: carbofo
                    For me, love is sublime feelings

                    No offense, but a joke.
                    "- Did you love?
                    - I did!
                    - I am in a sublime sense !!! repeat
                    - Cancer, or what?
                    1. carbofo
                      carbofo 12 September 2013 14: 55 New
                      0
                      Bort radist

                      You do not quote me !!! I did not say that.
        3. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 30 August 2013 14: 17 New
          +7
          According to the LAW, a citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to choose, have and distribute both religious and Other beliefs. And this step of the site administration directly infringes on my constitutional rights. Everything is according to the LAW, everything is by law, as required by the Manager. In this regard, it is quite easy to sue the site administration under the well-known article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, where, among other things, we see: “humiliation of the dignity of a person or a group of persons based on gender, race, nationality, language, origin, RELATIONSHIP TO RELIGION, as well as belonging to any social group, committed in public or using the media. "
          For those who care, I will say: I am not an atheist, but I do not share any of the world's religions. For me, God is the Great Architect, who absolutely does not care whether I believe in him, an insignificant ant or not, but who jealously follows the laws that he created for his world. I respect both the Bible and the Koran and share the ideas laid down in them by indisputable Great people, but I do not recognize the churches: neither Catholic, nor Orthodox, nor Muslim, nor Buddhist, etc. For any church is a social (and sometimes also a political) institution, which is built by the hands of people, and people, as you know, are not without sin. But if I am “sinful,” I do not undertake to teach other people how to live according to the laws of the Creator, which, admit it, all the churches of the world are gladly doing.
          1. Manager
            Manager 30 August 2013 14: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Dante
            For those who care, I’ll say: I’m not an atheist, but I don’t share any of the world's religions.


            Well, then cool down .... No one infringes your rights. They simply forbade speaking about religion so as not to hurt the feelings of believers.
            We are not discussing or insulting your "Architect" here? We are not trying to forbid you to speak on this topic ... So cool down. And then I will say that I will sue you for infringing upon my rights as a believer in God.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 30 August 2013 16: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: Manager
              They simply forbade speaking about religion so as not to hurt the feelings of believers.

              - You wrote it this way, but the rules say quite differently: "Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda." And this is demanded at a time when anti-religious, that is, atheistic propaganda is permitted by law, just like religious propaganda! The bottom line is in words: you can demand not to conduct propaganda against a specific religion (and then as ideas, and not its institutional embodiment in the form of a church and other hierarchy, of course, without taking into account the ritual component), that is, you cannot prohibit the expression of your worldview, but you can demand to submit my opinion is amorphous, as, for example, I did in my previous comment.

              In general, the introduction of this paragraph seems unreasonable because of the existing offense punishment on the site, which, in my opinion, refers not only to a specific person, but also to religious and all other feelings.

              Quote: Manager
              And even then I will say that I will sue you for infringing on my rights as a believer in God.

              “For recalling the letter of the Law?” An interesting process will turn out. :)
              1. Manager
                Manager 30 August 2013 16: 25 New
                -1
                Quote: Dante
                An interesting process will turn out.

                See judicial practice)))
              2. carbofo
                carbofo 30 August 2013 23: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: Dante
                - You wrote it like that, and the rules say something completely different:

                I quote the administrator:
                Smirnov Vadim SU Today, 09:37 ↑
                This rule has been in effect for several months. And only a couple of visitors were banned on it - for rabid anti-Orthodox comments. Nobody is going to punish for "expressing one's opinion, within the framework of a reasonable discussion, without obscenities, yelling, insults and other flooding" ...


                A fairly streamlined wording is inserted into the rules, this allows for repression at its discretion, without formally violating the rights of users.
                Take my word for it, I have a permanent ban on one site, only because I accused the administration of de facto spreading gay prono, although in the rules black and white there was such a ban, and the admins did not want to listen to anyone, common sense not for all.
                You can break the rules 100 times a year and be white and fluffy, but you can once and for all, it depends on the circumstances.
                So, in fact, you can complain, but it does not have a judicial perspective, they don’t forbid you to read the site, and to allow discussions is the privilege of the administration, you don’t know how to slow down your problems.
                1. Dante Alighieri
                  Dante Alighieri 31 August 2013 07: 25 New
                  +3
                  I just wanted to say that the wording should be even more streamlined and tolerant, that’s all. And that this paragraph of the rules is generally inexpedient in connection with the existence of a clause prohibiting insults. I started talking about the Law only because Manaker called for the implementation of the law.
            2. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 29 September 2013 00: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Manager
              No one infringes your rights. They simply forbade speaking about religion so as not to hurt the feelings of believers.

              absurd phrase no one infringes, just banned .............. full paragraph
      2. Very old
        Very old 30 August 2013 11: 25 New
        0
        Alexander, I can’t call myself a believer; I can’t call myself an atheist. Thomas Aquinas did not convince me, nor did the respected cosmologist Stephen Hawking. I have always respected sincere believers - they have something that for some reason is not available to me. And there is an article in the Constitution: on freedom of conscience. Accept and so on ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 12: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Very old
          And there is an article in the Constitution: on freedom of conscience.

          There is an article, but many have no conscience hi
          1. Manager
            Manager 30 August 2013 12: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is an article, but many have no conscience

            good That's right!
          2. does it
            does it 30 August 2013 13: 46 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is an article, but many have no conscience

            That is conscience! just different opinions. hi
          3. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 13: 17 New
            +2
            Let me express an opinion, the presence of conscience is not determined by the religious worldview. There was more than one chance to be convinced of this.
            What is the use of the nouveau riche standing in the Temples with a candle, since their deeds are such that to whom is a candle, to whom is a poker lamp?
        2. does it
          does it 30 August 2013 13: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Very old
          Thomas Aquinas did not convince me, nor did the respected cosmologist Stephen Hawking

          Everything is clear with Thomas! Thanks to scientists, we see what is happening in the universe, although at a great distance we can see.
      3. V. Salama
        V. Salama 30 August 2013 12: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Atheist is not a believer, what should he do in the subject of faith?
        Atheist atheist strife. There are Orthodox atheists who deeply and sincerely believe in the absence of God.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And anyway, where did they get this nonsense-ATEIST'S RIGHTS ???
        Sometimes, during periods of social tension, religion takes the form of obscurantism and, personally, I would like to have reliance on the mechanism for protecting my rights.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ... despite the fact that there was more than one run over atheists.
        It may not be on the site yet, but in life as much as you want - with a massacre of journalists, for example.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 12: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: V. Salama
          There are Orthodox atheists who deeply and sincerely believe in the absence of God

          laughing laughing laughing Mom, give me birth back wassat
          Quote: V. Salama
          and, personally, I would like to have support on the mechanism for protecting my rights.

          This is the rare case when I'm in SHOCK. belay What rights, rights of what, what are you missing, who infringes on you ????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????
          Quote: V. Salama
          It may not be on the site yet, but as much as you want in life - with a massacre of journalists
          It is the faithful who filled the journalist’s face? Probably the journalist also raised the issue of protecting the rights of atheists. You know, I'm not a Catholic either, I can give it in the face.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 30 August 2013 12: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Mom, give me birth back
            This idea, or rather self-characterization, belongs to the writer Erofeev (from an interview with KP).
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What rights, rights of what, what are you missing, who infringes you?
            Personally, no one infringes on me, because I am not a Catholic either ... I just got used to tracking trends. It seems that my unsuccessful examples motivate you incorrectly, I will try to reason abstractly: when in a secular state the church begins to dictate its conditions and, not only to atheists, which resonates with fanatical "Catholics", it becomes scary for children. I would like, in these conditions, not to single out believers in a separate caste, endowing them with a special status and a special attitude towards the violation of their rights. One-sidedness in this has always come out sideways and is coming out now. There was no punishment for the beating of journalists (they filmed the actions of the temple guards). Right is the will of the people, formalized in the form of a law. If we talk about protecting rights, then not so selectively and with personal interest.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 13: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: V. Salama
              Under these conditions, I would like to not single out the believers into a separate caste, giving them a special status and a special attitude to the violation of their rights.

              Yes, they do not stand out, but at the same time they protect against attacks on them, which happens all the time. I won’t even talk about guns. Look at the comments of a year ago in articles on faith, there one even offered to spit on Christ.
              Quote: V. Salama
              . There was no punishment for beating journalists (videotaped the actions of temple guards)

              They won’t just beat!
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 30 August 2013 13: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                ... put protection against attacks on them
                Nobody objects to protection, it is important not to fill this concept with your own content. In the opinion of the US leadership, protection is an active search and elimination of threats and dangers. Any “humanitarian” bombing can be justified with this slogan.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                They won’t just beat!
                Yes, just like that, no one hits. Even a rapist if the victim does not resist. But this is not about that, but about double standards and the equality of rights of all for indecent actions.
        2. Manager
          Manager 30 August 2013 12: 29 New
          0
          Quote: V. Salama
          Atheist atheist strife. There are Orthodox atheists who deeply and sincerely believe in the absence of God.


          You blew my brain! wassat
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 30 August 2013 12: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Manager
            You blew my brain!
            There is nothing to be done, from a scientific point of view, this type of religiosity stands out.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 13: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: V. Salama
              , from a scientific point of view, this type of religiosity stands out.

              Not interested hi
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 30 August 2013 13: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Not interested
                Since when have the opponent’s arguments become not interesting?
                1. Manager
                  Manager 30 August 2013 13: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  Since when have the opponent’s arguments become not interesting?


                  Because a million lemings are also opponents ..... And as they say, can a million lemings be wrong ?? request
                  1. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 30 August 2013 13: 57 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Manager

                    Because a million lemings are also opponents .....
                    Well, the true essence has appeared. It smelled of bonfires of the Holy Inquisition. This is what the question is - the question of who should be protected from whom? And they say faith is love.
                    1. Manager
                      Manager 30 August 2013 14: 13 New
                      0
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      It smelled of bonfires of the Holy Inquisition.


                      No, this is for Catholics.
                      I'm talking about something else. If I am a believer, then why should I hear the opinion of a person who is trying to convince me otherwise? For me this is not acceptable. Here is an opinion regarding everything else, I will listen with pleasure and possibly accept.
                      As they say, never listen to the advice of those people who do not live the way you dream to live.
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                      2. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 30 August 2013 19: 07 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Manager
                        If I am a believer, then why should I hear the opinion of a person who is trying to convince me otherwise?
                        Am I so bad at expressing my thoughts? What was the "opposite" I tried to convince you? He did not impose his faith on you and did not discredit yours, he didn’t even say anything God-opposite. And the rationality of the principle "questions of faith are not discussed" has not yet been disputed.
                        Quote: Manager
                        Here is an opinion regarding everything else, I will listen with pleasure and possibly accept.
                        And this was the opinion about "everything else", namely, that the right to faith should not be usurped. It is impossible to live without faith, everyone believes (even having set ourselves any goal, we believe in it until the moment it is realized as a result). I would like to draw your attention to the pitfall that more than one boat has crashed and seems to be broken - there is a faith that is no less strong than yours and which also will not put up with the desacralization of its shrines and will not allow "to hang everyone on itself dogs ".
                        Quote: Manager
                        For me this is not acceptable.
                        So nearly everyone says. Misunderstanding of this (the presence of another faith and the right to it) shows through in your comments, which, firstly, prevents you from being respectable, and secondly, it can lead to negative consequences. You will then be naively surprised: "Where does this militant atheism come from?"
                        Quote: Manager
                        As they say, never listen to the advice of those people who do not live the way you dream to live.

                        You can conclude this way, but this, again, should apply to all parties.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 14 October 2013 12: 02 New
            0
            God is an absolute multitude ... The Qur'an says - do not portray God as a person - he is not a person, do not portray God as a fish - he is not a fish and so on ... To consider normal a person who represents God as an old man with a halo sitting on the cloud does not have to ...
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      5. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 12: 56 New
        +3
        Alexander Romanov
        From those times ...
        Sorry, but in our Constitution it is written that religiosity is above all, or are the rights of churchmen of any religion higher than the rest?
        As far as I remember, in the country, the CHURCH IS STILL SEPARATED FROM THE STATE, IS IT SO?
        And if so, then it turns out that the claims of a certain part, classifying themselves as different beliefs, to the ultimate truth, are somewhat wrongful and, so to speak, ambitious.
        Your phrase- "Atheist, a person who is not a believer and he has nothing to do in the topic of faith" ??
        Both are on, so maybe it’s not worth it here, in which case to pull out any articles on religious subjects at all?
        Well, if you pulled it out, then if you please listen to the opinions of everyone, regardless of religious or atheistic worldviews, why are you bargaining for yourself with an exclusive? (I remember, it was said, expel the traders from the Temple)
        After all, Vlad 1965 had precisely this in mind.
        1. Manager
          Manager 31 August 2013 14: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          Well, if pulled out, then you are kind enough to listen to the opinions of everyone, regardless of religious or atheistic


          If they did, it was not for everyone. And for those who are "in the subject." For example, if I don't like embroidery magazines, I don't even go there to the forum with tips and discussions. It's the same here. Do you not believe? Well, then there is nothing to pester believers. Already it comes to the point of absurdity as in that joke

          “What is the noise outside, Barrymore?” “This is a gay parade, sir.” “And what do they demand, Barrymore?” “Same-sex love, sir.” - Does anyone forbid them? “No sir.” “So why are they still making noise?” - Pid ?? aces, sir.

          You also do not understand what you want. You are not forbidden anything. Live as you lived. Do not meddle in religion unless you yourself believe.
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 17: 10 New
            +1
            Manager
            DO YOU DON'T LIKE EMBROIDERY JOURNALS, YOUR BUSINESS, AND HERE I DON'T LIKE WHEN RELIGIOUS VIEWS ARE PROMOTED IN JOURNALS AND WEBSITES DEDICATED TO THE MILITARY CASE, FOR THIS THERE IS A MAGAZINE OF YOURNALI- "VOPO"
            Further, there are sites that are absolutely subordinate to the logic of church life, go there and communicate there, at least it corresponds to your beliefs, but there you are among yours (by belief, you can say anything)
            There is a different situation here, neither I, nor many others, completely agree with your aggressive statement of the question - do not meddle, it turns out, you meddle with this question where you are not particularly called (they do NOT interfere, even to some extent protect)
            There, higher than someone's correct words, frantic barking at religious beliefs, religion professed by someone is not acceptable, but imposing, moreover, aggressively and contrary to the obvious logic of their rules, is also unacceptable, see the Law.
            And the last, you, as I understand it, you associate yourself with a kind of churched person?
            Then where did you get such Aggressiveness- "Likewise, you do not understand what you want. Nothing is forbidden to you. Live as you lived. Only do not meddle in religion if you do not believe yourself."
            Returning to you your same words-BELIEVE in anything, in Leviathan, three whales and a couple of elephants, but dismiss the society from imposing its clerical view of the present, in my opinion it is already impossible to express itself more clearly.
            THIS anecdote, "- What is the noise in the street, Barrymore? - This is a gay parade, sir. - And what do they demand, Barrymore? - Same-sex love, sir. - Does anyone forbid them?" - No, sir. “So why are they making noise anyway?” “Pid ?? aces, sir.” “Exactly applicable to you, the“ joke ”failed, Barrymore.
            1. Manager
              Manager 2 September 2013 14: 28 New
              -1
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              Exactly applicable to you, the "joke" failed, Barrymore.


              Where did you see aggression? You’ll spray yourself with saliva, but will you show me a finger here? Women's logic. There’s nothing to talk to you about. And also from Vladik. Shame is simple.
              All of you are on my ignore list.
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 3 September 2013 11: 05 New
                +1
                When to challenge the opinion is not able to hide in the Black Crypt? Strong ....
                Squeal, hide in a feminine way, after an asshole in an emergency it characterizes you so ..
                Faith is your own business, but do not shove it to everyone as something "true"; this is not your task and nobody needs it, such a presentation of your "Faith"
                The people here are all quite experienced, adults, they themselves will decide who believes what and is inclined to believe.
                If you are a kind of missionary, just write, I’m a missionary, I got such a task, everyone will have a clear, next revival of the political leaders but in robes.
  7. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 30 August 2013 09: 44 New
    +4
    With religions you just dumbfounded me. What, there are often disputes about whose and which god is better? Do atheists shut up and not ask slippery questions to true believers? And the eternal ban for criticizing the controversial history of the creation of the world? Next MAT MAT MAT.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      30 August 2013 09: 45 New
      0
      Answered above, read carefully!
    2. Manager
      Manager 30 August 2013 10: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      With religions you just dumbfounded me.

      Why don’t you have it! What other topics to talk about? Just like demons are bursting with you!
    3. does it
      does it 30 August 2013 13: 49 New
      -3
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      Do atheists shut up and not ask slippery questions to true believers?

      Thanks to atheists, you are now surfing the internet.
      1. Manager
        Manager 30 August 2013 14: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: kvirit
        Thanks to atheists, you are now surfing the internet.


        Tim Berners-Lee - invented the Internet. He is a man. And who created the man? well, ok, now you say that it happened in the process of evolution. And who created the bacteria? Big Bang? Well, here again, goodies. Where did the big bang come from? Universe what?
        So there you go! Until I get an answer, for me it was all created by God. Including and Tim Berners-Lee who invented the Internet.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 29 September 2013 00: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Manager
          Until I get an answer, for me it was all created by God. Including and Tim Berners-Lee who invented the Internet.

          that's what ATHEIS are for ............ people with an unclouded brain ............. to create ........... Russians always they were critical of religion and the proverbs were “Trust in God, but don’t make a mistake yourself”, onito always knew that man is the Center of the Universe and it is he who creates and thinks up everything, including religion, and the problems associated with it
    4. ver_
      ver_ 14 October 2013 12: 17 New
      0
      God is one and his neme for God is the UNIVERSE ... God cannot be offended - only an inadequate person can be offended ...
    5. ver_
      ver_ 14 October 2013 13: 26 New
      0
      Atheism is the same faith and more true than the rest ... When Patriarch Alexy was asked a question - God
      created the earth in 6 days ..... He answered - no one knows how many memorable days in the day of God ..- maybe a lot of millions ...
  8. Sirs
    Sirs 30 August 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Why in paragraph E was singled out - "anti-Orthodox" and generally anti-religious propaganda ... "You simply cannot write that it is anti-religious. Otherwise, there are many religious-chauvinistic questions to the administrators and, therefore, in a priori whitewashing of" Orthodox deficiencies ".
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Sirs
      and consequently in the a priori whitewashing of "Orthodox lacks".

      Orthodoxy is the main religion of Russia! The administration doesn’t whitewash anyone, simply because practically no comments are written. Visitors, not administrators, participate in discussions.
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 30 August 2013 11: 48 New
        +1
        I do not mean a discussion, but a moderation of comments related to controversial thoughts about Orthodoxy.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 12: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Sirs
          and moderation of comments related to controversial thoughts about Orthodoxy.

          Believers do not have disputes there. If you have any contentious issues, I recommend that you contact a priest hi
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 3 September 2013 11: 13 New
            +1
            In this case, you should go to the Journal, questions of religious studies, and communicate there, among your fans, by faith, here why drag in provocative materials that inevitably cause controversy?
            There is no need to bargain for a position that immediately says that you are always "right".
            stop
  9. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 30 August 2013 09: 58 New
    +4
    In fact, the site was created not to clarify personal relationships, but to express one’s opinion. Of course, you can criticize the opinions of others, but with respect, but with regard to cannibals trying to plunge the world into the chaos of war and lawlessness, I consider any statements possible (of course, without obscene language)!
  10. revnagan
    revnagan 30 August 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    It's amazing, because we ourselves, on this website, laugh at overly tolerant Europeans and Americans. We are surprised when they cannot call a Negro-Negro, a fat man - a fat man. And here the screws are tightening more and more. The same. On insults on the national soil, I agree. But on the minuses, it's not entirely clear. Why can't you often vote "for" or "against" the comment of any one visitor? And if I think (well, here I am personally) that Are all his posts successful (or vice versa)? It seems to me that this is not quite the correct idea. And in terms of language, are the sayings in Ukrainian not clear to the Russian-speaking visitors of the site? laughing (I recalled the joke that Blucher was not translated into Russian). With respect
    revnagan
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: revnagan
      But the disadvantages are not entirely clear. Why it is impossible to often vote "for" or "against" the comment of any one visitor

      Revagan, do you have to complain, you give me the minuses without leaving the box office laughing Keep up the good work, one FIG 1 rating will not change wink
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 30 August 2013 10: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Keep up the good work, one FIG 1 rating will not change


        that's exactly how long it will take for Romanov to drive you into skulls ?! laughing

        Week, Month, Year, maybe years ?! wassat

        Hello Alexander hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 10: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Apollon
          Week, Month, Year, maybe years ?!

          So life will be at the computer laughing How do you live, but normal, I live minus Romanov wassat
          Hi Apollo.
          1. Manager
            Manager 30 August 2013 10: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            So life will be at the computer


            Romanovs they are ...... invincible drinks
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 11: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Manager
              Invincible

              Well yes wink Although there below minus Smirnov minus laughing
            2. svp67
              svp67 2 September 2013 03: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Manager
              Romanovs they are ...... invincible
              Sorry Yurovsky did not know about this ...
      2. Very old
        Very old 30 August 2013 11: 29 New
        0
        Sasha, explain what it is -
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 12: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Very old
          explain what it is -

          What is a minus? Or you about what I did not understand request
          1. Very old
            Very old 30 August 2013 12: 19 New
            +1
            Why a rate. 1
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 13: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Very old
              Why a rate. 1

              Big secret wink
    2. washi
      washi 30 August 2013 14: 55 New
      +1
      And how do Ukrainian sayings differ from sayings of other nations? Or do you offer in Arabic, Tuvan, Yakut it.d. to prohibit, but on all variants of the Slavic to allow? This is discrimination against the peoples of Russia. There is a language of nationwide communication. It is Soviet Russian.
      I don’t know modern rules and I don’t want to know
  11. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 30 August 2013 10: 46 New
    +3
    The belt is getting tighter and tighter ... on the throat of those who disagree with the frank nonsense that some forum users carry here, but what about freedom of speech? I didn’t think that I would ever talk about this. Admins, do you want mediocre, monotonous thoughts of the forum users - like: everything in Russia blossoms well and smells, doesn’t it make sense to live in Russia, etc., etc.? I DOUBT ...
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      30 August 2013 10: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Lone gunman
      The girdle is getting tighter and tighter ... on the throat of those who disagree with outright nonsense carried by some members of the forum, but what about freedom of speech?


      What are you writing nonsense? Who buries your mouth ?! Nobody is going to punish anyone for "expressing their opinion within the framework of a reasonable discussion - without obscenities, yelling, insults and other flood"!
      1. El13
        El13 30 August 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        The problem is not "going - not going", but whether there is a "law" or not and what kind of "law" it is. Today you do not use it, tomorrow the other who replaced you will use it. And if you do not use it, why do you take it? (pun)
        There is a framework of existing rules, not bad, worked out over a certain period of time (I'm talking about the pros and cons), within the framework of these rules, there is enough space for a U-turn, which did not suit why innovations are needed? There I promoted Romanov in the course of the discussion about Putin’s divorce, so he brought me to the emergency situation and sleeps calmly, who prevents everyone from doing this, who is mined regularly — I learned from the admin who minus the emergency situation too. And if many are past, then I'm sorry - I earned it. Why is this vague rule h)?
        1. Smirnov Vadim
          30 August 2013 11: 14 New
          +1
          Then that complaints come in regularly ...
          1. experienced
            experienced 30 August 2013 11: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Smirnov Vadim
            Then that complaints come in regularly ...

            But I don’t understand this ... Maybe due to Soviet upbringing, we didn’t like sneakers in kindergarten and informers in school and the Army. Why did a man start a swara and understand that he got a head start running to complain to the moderators and the admin, and not looking for a reason in himself?
            Maybe you should not pay attention to the complaints of members of the forum, for whom the rating means so much? And the complaints will disappear and forum users will think before being rude? hi
            1. Smirnov Vadim
              30 August 2013 11: 23 New
              +4
              Quote: seasoned
              for which rating means so much


              And who writes this? A man whose rating is absolutely indifferent?
              1. experienced
                experienced 30 August 2013 11: 31 New
                +2
                Quote: Smirnov Vadim
                And who writes this? A man whose rating is absolutely indifferent?

                Vadim, how long have you "zeroed" me? wassat I just tried to show you every time that you can get a rating very quickly. I do not argue that he is a good help against boors, and only, there was a sensible idea for those who want to remove shoulder straps, but hung up ... I am jarred when members of the forum refer to "virtual titles" on the site, in my opinion it is not respectful to real shoulder straps.
                What about the rating? I have almost all comments normal and not
                "A beautiful plane (tank, armored personnel carrier ...)
                "100500 S-300 should be sent to Syria)
                "Geyropa, p ... s"
                And there are a lot of such people on the site and they have their own rating. laughing
                You remember several times I registered and did not put any "+" or "-" at all, there were messages in a personal message "we will minus you" for the fact that the first comment in each topic was mine, I trolled a specialist laughing I have never complained to you hi
                1. Manager
                  Manager 30 August 2013 11: 52 New
                  +3
                  Regarding the rating ....... for example, it offends me only in 1 case. When people do not read the commentary completely, they simply rely on a general rating. For example, they put you 2 minuses do not agree. And the comment is long. So other hamsters begin to put cons without reading.
                  For the rest, everyone has the right to agree with the expressed opinion or disagree. And indeed, if the forum has an outspoken boor, then why can't we lynch it? laughing am angry

                  After all, not the title is the main thing here, but the process of communication.
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 30 August 2013 11: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Manager
                    For example, it offends me only in 1 case. When people do not read the commentary completely, they simply rely on a general rating. For example, they put you 2 minuses do not agree. And the comment is long. So other hamsters begin to put cons without reading.

                    This is yes, almost a constant phenomenon, but I usually get offended when a forum member posts a comment with congratulations on the topic of the celebration of some kind of troops, and you look at him some former "foe" minus slapped belay That's when in such topics the scores are settled, here it is vile in my opinion. IMHO hi
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 30 August 2013 11: 59 New
                +4
                Rating is indifferent to the first two skulls. That is, five or two patriots cheers can literally ban for some thought that does not suit them. At the same time, it’s enough for them to shout Serdyukov themselves! to get to the marshal epaulettes in a couple of days.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 12: 27 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Pimply
                  . At the same time, it’s enough for them to shout Serdyukov themselves!

                  Serdyukov sucks !!! Serdyukov sucks !!!! laughing
                  1. Manager
                    Manager 30 August 2013 12: 53 New
                    +3
                    Vasiliev sucks! Litter of sludge !!!!!!!!
          2. Lone gunman
            Lone gunman 30 August 2013 12: 05 New
            +1
            this is not a big discussion thread:

            indiggo RU August 27, 2013 17:16
            people I have a proposal let's find this parasite that puts everyone cons tired already ...
            PS remember swamp scum if I meet you I will make you disabled am
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            pahom54 RU August 27, 2013 17:55 ↑
            I fully support ... Actually, I thought that like-minded patriots of Russia gathered on this site, however, there are enough provocateurs ...
            PS And the company Kamov and its helicopters - honor and respect!
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            shasherin_pavel RU August 27, 2013 18:29 ↑
            Honestly at one time I wrote that I put a minus to a person who was surprised that TT was made from Browning. I think that putting minuses in someone else's opinion is despicable, but for ignorance of the history of our weapons, a participant in the Military Review is normal. I urge those who put a minus - write for what and from whom, who did not do it to nail to the "pillar of shame" for lack of honor.
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            NOBODY EXCEPT US RU August 27, 2013 19:51 ↑
            That is, if I write that this car is very similar to one foreign unit ,,,,, then I am a provocateur ??? Cons I have not set ....

            I thought here they are fighting primarily for the intellectual level of the site, but in reality it turns out that ??? I do not want to think that admins and modernizers cover, protect their "friends from the gateway" ... shame and disgrace ...
            1. experienced
              experienced 30 August 2013 12: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Lone gunman
              this is not a big discussion thread:

              Thanks for the quote. hi It is very indicative and characteristic. Moreover, everyone believes that he has the right to judge the other and has every reason for this, but when he receives a minus, he starts screaming like a public speaker. I do not argue that I have my own "favorites" on the site, which automatically have a "+", as a rule, they all have been here for a long time and they don't really need my "+". There are "flocks" you touch one and you see "the process has begun", it is like a "dead poultice" to me, and a newcomer can be depressed ... Here we have to fight this and noticed that the "community" began to flourish, one forum member with touch the flag and ... wink
  12. USNik
    USNik 30 August 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    e) Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda, such as: the publication of anti-religious demotivators, sayings, poems, videos and audio clips, paintings, excerpts from books, etc. A single violation of this rule entails an eternal ban;

    This is news! I thought the site was neutral to both believers and atheists, but here is such a crack. Then the question regarding point D: will anti-religious quotations from classics like Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy and his "Answer to the Synod" be equated with such propaganda? (I will not quote, because Tolstoy did not choose expressions in this address)
    And will there be a permanent ban for quoting Hugo, Freud, Goethe, for example, the latter held the idea that
    The whole history of the church is a mixture of delusion and violence
    And many contemporaries supported him, however, like living people. Or do you just advise getting around these slippery topics and not focusing on that?
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      30 August 2013 10: 57 New
      +2
      And the site is neutral in relation to religion! But insulting believers and their faith is unacceptable. The rule is about this. It is necessary to read more carefully!
      1. El13
        El13 30 August 2013 11: 16 New
        +2
        You need to write carefully:
        publication of anti-religious ... sayings ...

        here you can bring a lot to it ...
  13. USNik
    USNik 30 August 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim Smirnov
    And the site is neutral in relation to religion! But insulting believers and their faith is unacceptable. The rule is about this. It is necessary to read more carefully!

    No one is going to insult believers, God forbid. Please answer the question about the classics, will it be possible to go to the bathhouse for quoting the sayings of past centuries?
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      30 August 2013 11: 05 New
      -1
      Have you done this before, or have you seen others quote? Probably yes! Which one is banned? Do you understand the meaning of the word "GOLDEN"?

      Exaggerated - having lost all sense of proportion, extremely unbridled ...
      1. El13
        El13 30 August 2013 11: 18 New
        +6
        And how does the word "rabid" fit in with "a single violation of this rule"?
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 30 August 2013 12: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: USNik
      No one is going to insult believers, God forbid.

      For example, I believe in the victory of communism. Nobody is going to insult me ​​either?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 13: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: V. Salama
        For example, I believe in the victory of communism.

        Communism is politics, but in politics you can beat the face. Do not believe me, ask Zhirinovsky laughing
        1. Manager
          Manager 30 August 2013 13: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Do not believe me, ask Zhirinovsky


          From Zhirinovsky you lyuley just grab the word communism and without any policy)))
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 30 August 2013 14: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Manager
            From Zhirinovsky you lyuley just grab the word communism ...
            I also karate ...
            1. Manager
              Manager 30 August 2013 16: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: V. Salama
              I also karate ...

              Another crazy is more dangerous than any karateka)))
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 30 August 2013 14: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Communism is politics ...
          Well, you have jokes ... The essence of politics is governance, and communism is both faith and conviction.
  14. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    For inserting whole articles from third-party resources into comments (“comments with continuation”) - deleting all user comments and zeroing the rating;

    Wow. And if this is a fragment of MY article posted on another resource, as it was here http://topwar.ru/32417-avgust-1945-go-prichiny-kapitulyacii-yaponii.html#comment
    -id-1441354 and I need to lay it out in order to substantiate my point of view in the discussion - it turns out, will they multiply me by zero? And so that this does not happen, I need to rewrite OWN article in other words ?! Or send an opponent to read ALL of my article, although only a fragment of it is relevant?
    Of course, I understand that they don’t climb into a strange monastery with their charter, but ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Wow. And if this is a fragment of MY article

      Read carefully .. For the insert whole articles from third-party resources
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2013 13: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Read carefully.

        I read carefully, thanks. And the rules say that a reasonable quote is not forbidden if the quote fits into one comment. And I met in three.
        1. experienced
          experienced 30 August 2013 13: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          And the rules say that a reasonable quote is not forbidden if the quote fits into one comment. And I met in three.

          Andrew, I'm sorry to harness hi I think the Admin is also afraid of unfounded complaints from the sites from which the articles were taken, and therefore requires links to the copyright holder. If you yourself are an author, then there can be no complaints to you if you bring her even in 3 comments and she is in the subject of discussion hi
          Forum users from the site "VO" also post articles from the site to other resources, I know two such sites, one INOSMI and the other http://forum.fxclub.org/ hi
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2013 13: 46 New
            +2
            Dear seasoned, why are you apologizing for something? Personally, I am always glad to see you :) hi drinks
            Quote: seasoned
            I think the admin is also afraid of unfounded complaints from the sites from which the articles are taken, and therefore requires links to the copyright holder

            Maybe so, that's why I unsubscribed here in order to know exactly the position of the administration. And then you write something, and then you rating - rrrraz - as a simple agricultural tool on the exterior of the primary male gender ...
  15. Stiletto
    Stiletto 30 August 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    Wow, how many comments! And I, by simplicity naive, thought that they did not discuss orders - they were being executed. I read, took note, made conclusions ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2013 14: 39 New
      +4
      Having received the order, do not rush to fulfill it - wait for the cancellation ...
  16. Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 30 August 2013 14: 41 New
    +1
    Well, tell me the Administration: are you not afraid of criminal prosecution for point "D"? If you do not understand what I mean, find my statement above. If possible, I want to get an answer to my question, preferably in writing, and not in the form of a ban. I am not threatening in any way, but I am interested, because I'm really interested to know what prompted you to include this point in the site rules and thereby violate the legislation of the Russian Federation.
    Regards, To your previous activities, Dante.
  17. washi
    washi 30 August 2013 14: 58 New
    +1
    Is it possible to offend the Cossacks? For their difference from the Russians, selfishness and ties with Jewry and the Caucasian tribes?
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    1. bask
      bask 30 August 2013 22: 29 New
      +1
      ********

      ""Oh! what a ridiculous loss!
      Lots of funny losses in life.
      I'm ashamed that I believed in God.
      It's bitter to me that I do not believe now.
      Golden, far away!
      Everything burns everyday life.
      And I was fucking scandalous
      In order to brighter burn.
      **********************
      To all my sins for my sins,
      For disbelief in grace
      Put me in a Russian shirt
      To die under the icons.
      Sergey Yesenin !!!
      Orthodox will say that there are no perfect people.
      But by the end of life, all (almost) come to GOD !!!!
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 30 August 2013 22: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: bask
        ""Oh! what a ridiculous loss!
        Lots of funny losses in life.
        I'm ashamed that I believed in God.
        It's bitter to me that I do not believe now.
        Golden, far away!
        Everything burns everyday life.
        And I was fucking scandalous
        In order to brighter burn.
        **********************
        To all my sins for my sins,
        For disbelief in grace
        Put me in a Russian shirt
        To die under the icons.
        Sergey Yesenin !!!

        Comment beautiful thanks!

        Orthodox will say that there are no perfect people.
        But by the end of life, all (almost) come to GOD !!!!


        Absolutely all come !!!
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  19. Van
    Van 30 August 2013 21: 01 New
    +1
    Quite normal rules for quite decent people. hi
  20. Anti
    Anti 30 August 2013 22: 43 New
    +2
    How to be with art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation? request
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 30 August 2013 22: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Anti
      How to be with art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation? request


      Submit to the Court, Constitutional! And then what was democracy announced to us? I say without irony, precedent, darkness and darkness ...
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      1. Anti
        Anti 30 August 2013 23: 03 New
        +2
        In Germany, freedom of expression from 1 to article 5, paragraph 1, sentence 1 Provides ms basic law (GG).

        Paragraph 1 of Article 5 of the GG (abbreviated):

        "(1) Everyone has the right to freely express their opinion orally, in writing and by means of image and distribution [...] there must be no censorship."
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 30 August 2013 23: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Anti
          In Germany, freedom of expression from 1 to article 5, paragraph 1, sentence 1 Provides ms basic law (GG).

          Paragraph 1 of Article 5 of the GG (abbreviated):

          "(1) Everyone has the right to freely express their opinion orally, in writing and by means of image and distribution [...] there must be no censorship."


          We have our own monastery! And you, dear, are asked to abide by the rules of our monastery! Respectfully your opinion! To agree or not is up to you.
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            1. experienced
              experienced 30 August 2013 23: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: Anti
              Save me Perun from the monastery!

              And me recourse
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            1. studentmati
              studentmati 30 August 2013 23: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: seasoned
              Bye forgive


              Falling to my knees, my lord .... laughing
              1. experienced
                experienced 30 August 2013 23: 34 New
                0
                Quote: studentmati
                Falling to my knees, my lord.

                Bugaga wassat Damn, always respected people with CJ, do not take for flattery hi Laughed laughing + you worthy and always contact, I will be glad to communicate drinks
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          1. Anti
            Anti 30 August 2013 23: 25 New
            0
            And also the Pechenegs appeared on the site am How long will we endure them? am
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              1. Anti
                Anti 30 August 2013 23: 57 New
                0
                Quote: seasoned
                We must unite and not let every flock fly

                not useless, go for themselves recourse
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Anti
                  it is useless


                  baзusefully written with "с"stop the drunken bazaar, men, if you are men?
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 30 August 2013 23: 58 New
                +1
                [quote = experienced] It is necessary to rally and not allow any flock to fly am
                ..................
                Drunk bazaar, is the campaign going?
                1. Anti
                  Anti 31 August 2013 00: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Drunk bazaar, is the campaign going?


                  you can drink tea on your own, but never vodka !! am
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          2. studentmati
            studentmati 30 August 2013 23: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            Oleg, this is a tumor ... It’s not for us to cut it recourse


            Have you been invited to take part in the Inquisition?

            Or maybe you and "Anti" are gray site coordinates?
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            2. Anti
              Anti 31 August 2013 00: 24 New
              0
              strangled noble rage recourse
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 26 New
                -1
                Quote: Anti
                strangled fury noble recourse


                Sleeping ....
    3. Van
      Van 1 September 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Anti
      How to be with art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation?

      And who said that democratic laws are the ultimate truth ?! lol

      At its core, "Democracy" is not the best type of government for a "person of morality and conscience" for it will ultimately lead to the destruction of humanity. hi
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 2 September 2013 12: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Wang
        At its core, "Democracy" is not the best type of government for a "person of morality and conscience"
        Yes, just democracies are different. I dare to recall that democracy, as a form of government, took place even in the slave system. And there was also the Pskov-Novgorod veche democracy. If we reduce it to the essence (to a clear definition of the concept), then we often call democracy what it is not.
        "Morality and conscience" - here we also often speak a language whose meaning we do not understand.
  21. Lexagun
    Lexagun 30 August 2013 23: 00 New
    +9
    In order not to mislead people, it's probably time to just rename the site to military orthodox review
    I’ve been at VO for a long time, but I don’t write often, I don’t pursue a rating, all the more so as I regularly express a controversial opinion, including on religious issues. I think that my disbelief in God probably offends anyone. And in view of the fuzzy statement of the rule, its one-sidedness, the actual setting of double standards (for the Orthodox and everyone else), the possibility of arbitrary interpretation and the maximum, uncontested punishment, I predict my ban. This will happen soon or not, but the very introduction of such a measure and rule causes a rash. And it surprises me with legal illiteracy, it’s in the case of a ban that I’m a little upset and I’ll go somewhere else, but the real provocateur will easily get you a ban at first, and then legal measures for the site administration.

    Why create grounds for abuse and excesses? And to assure me and many others that this measure is exceptional, and rather speculative is not worth it. As one of the most serious enemies of Russia (hence his opinion should be taken into account), nee Baronet Marlborough used to say: "In politics, intentions do not matter, in politics, opportunities matter."

    So the purity of the clerics' thoughts does not matter to me, but their "new" capabilities are very puzzling.
    Recommendations "not to go" to the branches or news dedicated to the praise of religion "generally smells bad.
    And the worst thing that can happen to a site is the real transformation of it into a clerical propaganda platform, when even from moderate anti clerics you make enemies such rules. the end result will be a "cuckoo and rooster" party, much to their satisfaction. There is such a term proselytism.

    Patriotism and love for the motherland are not limited to Orthodoxy. \ and the rules of communication can not be preferential in anyone's favor.

    Bans begin where and when arguments end.
    Success Orthodox.
    1. experienced
      experienced 30 August 2013 23: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Lexagun
      probably it's time to just rename the site in the military-Orthodox review

      Well, given the constant gay themes on the site, you can go further winked
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 30 August 2013 23: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: seasoned
        Well, given the constant gay themes on the site, you can continue to go winked


        Only one who is related to the topic can cycle on the topic ...
        1. experienced
          experienced 30 August 2013 23: 39 New
          0
          Quote: studentmati
          Only one who is related to the topic can cycle on the topic ...

          Bugaga, Volodin? belay
    2. bask
      bask 30 August 2013 23: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Lexagun
      Success Orthodox.

      Thanks of course, but why only Orthodox?
      But what about Muslims, Buddhists, Jews?
      Quote: Lexagun
      And the worst that can happen to

      You’re not going to burn like a heretic at the stake am (and even that crying Catholics).
      1. Lexagun
        Lexagun 31 August 2013 00: 09 New
        +4
        Well, how why? "anti-Orthodox", and even rabid propaganda is highlighted: quote - ...e) Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda... "So I think, but what about the quote:" Muslims, Buddhists and Jews? "- and they" in general. "References to the special role of Orthodoxy are not legitimate.
        For example, what kind of Orthodoxy as true for Russia does it make sense to talk about Old Believers whose tradition is one and a half times longer or modern ?, by the way, the patriarchate (a modern format for organizing the administration of Orthodoxy in Russia) in Russia has a much lesser tradition than other forms of church administration, therefore it is patriarchy less traditional, therefore ... and so on.
        So this "and generally anti-religious propaganda ..." smacks of snobbery and a claim to superiority.

        Thank you, I was comforted in the sense of not going to burn (what an interesting statement of the question). Although the phrase concerned the likely future site, not mine. And why suddenly refuse such an interesting way? By the way, not only Catholics practiced Autodafe, it’s just not customary for us to discuss how many Old Believers themselves implemented the act, but to whom they helped.

        So the worst thing that can happen, thank God (the figure of speech however) is the total worship of the site. Not in the sense that Orthodoxy is bad, but in the sense of orderly ranks into the bright past.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Lexagun
          ..d) Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda ..


          Please do not judge the authors in all severity! Of course, they had in mind religious values, but expressed themselves unweightedly. I believe that a legally-weighted comment will follow on the site?
        2. bask
          bask 31 August 2013 00: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Lexagun

          So the worst thing that can happen, thank God (the figure of speech however) is the total worship of the site. Not in the sense that Orthodoxy is bad, but in the sense of orderly ranks into the bright past.

          I am against any prohibitions and restrictions on freedom of speech.
          But when discussing topics related to religion, many members of the forum sin (in a secular sense). Mr. Setrac called me "" "an Orthodox fascist" "" and I got a ban for two days. Because he answered.
          1. Lexagun
            Lexagun 31 August 2013 00: 33 New
            +1
            Imagine, I also consider personal insult to be a wrong action, but the point is formulated in such a way that anything can be pulled under the concept of insulting religious feelings
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: Lexagun
              Imagine, I also consider personal insult to be a wrong action, but the point is formulated in such a way that anything can be pulled under the concept of insulting religious feelings


              The site is developing and is always ready to accept your opinion and your suggestions! Speak, they will listen to you and understand.

              But I believe that all the rules of the site must first of all comply with the requirements of the Civil Code, the Criminal Code, and other laws of the Russian Federation.
          2. studentmati
            studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            I am against any prohibitions and restrictions on freedom of speech.


            "Bazaar" always needs to be filtered ...
            1. bask
              bask 31 August 2013 00: 40 New
              -1
              Quote: studentmati
              "Bazaar" always needs to be filtered ...

              Naturally, it is necessary. The time is now (stagnation, late journey .... hm).
              For an extra word and in the jail you can rattle.
              Whatever the site is closed, one must keep up with today's time. All clear.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 46 New
                0
                Quote: bask
                Naturally, it is necessary. The time is now (stagnation, late journey .... hm).
                For an extra word and in the jail you can rattle.
                Whatever the site is closed, one must keep up with today's time. All clear.


                The irony is inappropriate.
                1. bask
                  bask 31 August 2013 00: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: studentmati
                  The irony is inappropriate.

                  And this is not the irony of studentmati, but the realities of today.
                  How many people received real terms for political activity.
                  Khabarov, Kvachkov is well-known to everyone ...
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 31 August 2013 01: 11 New
                    -1
                    Quote: bask
                    And this is not the irony of studentmati, but the realities of today.


                    The realities of today are still inappropriate to compare with "37". I believe that all the terms you specified are in accordance with the law. Maybe with a stretch, but not with the one that was in "37".
          3. Apollo
            Apollo 31 August 2013 00: 42 New
            +5
            I would like to share my thoughts on the innovations on the forum, but they are needed and there are all the prerequisites for this.

            1. The more the rules cover all aspects of the forum’s life, the better, the forum - different people communicate here, this will remove misunderstandings and misunderstandings. Of course, it’s impossible to cover everything and it’s not necessary, but it’s necessary to introduce basic postulates, which made the forum administration look, absolutely correct.
            2. Visitors to the forum will know better not only their rights but also their responsibilities. We all have our own rights, we know it by heart, but unfortunately sometimes we forget about our duties that are assigned to us and which we undertook to observe when registering on the forum.
            3. With regard to religion. Religious freedom exists not only in the Constitution (Fundamental Law) of the country, but also here in the forum are reflected in the rules. I believe that this is also correct and archival. It is necessary to respect both the opinion of believers and the rights of those who do not profess any religion .In the innovations, this is precisely what this is all about. This is just a requirement (excerpt from laws), which we must always remember.
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 31 August 2013 00: 45 New
              +1
              Everything stated by you corresponds to elementary rules of ethics. I support!
              1. bask
                bask 31 August 2013 00: 57 New
                +1
                In principle, everything is true, I also agree with the basic requirements.
                I am a guest on the site. And with their charter, they don’t go to someone else’s monastery !!!
            2. Lexagun
              Lexagun 31 August 2013 00: 58 New
              +4
              to Apollon
              Freedom of religion does not mean its obligation, and suddenly I do not profess any faith? Is there no freedom of religion?
              The current wording is one-sided in view of the fact that it defends (as it can) the rights of believers (mainly Orthodox others - generally ...) to the detriment of unbelievers.

              And in order to cope with a troll or a bully spewing verbal diarrhea, no special allocation of special rights of believers is needed. Admins and moderators have enough tools of influence. Once again, I recall the prohibitions needed where argumentation does not work.

              Why does this situation bother me? because when I meet with religious (in my opinion, backward, obsolete) propaganda, I exactly the extent to which it is contrasted with her secular opinion, to the extent of my understanding and awareness. And now I don’t understand at what stage my opinion will be considered frenzied (the same legal term for me)

              There is a rule of parity and a ban on anti-religious propaganda. It is quite logical to supplement the ban on religious. or does not introduce such prohibitions at all.

              Otherwise, I fully support Apollon.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 31 August 2013 01: 10 New
                +3
                Quote: Lexagun
                Freedom of religion does not mean its obligation, and suddenly I do not profess any faith? Is there no freedom of religion?


                Believe or not believe that's right and not everyone’s duty. No one here is forcing one or the other. This is respectno more and no less.
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 31 August 2013 01: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Apollon
                  To believe or not believe this right and not everyone’s duty. No one here forces one or the other. It is about respect, nothing more and nothing less.


                  The essence of the changes and additions is the appeal of the site participants to tolerance, that is, to patience, endurance and respect!

                  Expressing your opinion - respect you listening and reading!
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 29 September 2013 01: 05 New
        0
        Quote: bask
        burn at the stake like a heretic (and even that, the Catholics dabbled in this).

        wrong history of religion you need to know better, ALL Christian religions dabbled in it .................
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 31 August 2013 01: 28 New
    +1
    "You will catch Chapaev .. shoot Chapay .." There must be order. otherwise the site will turn into a trash heap .... (I confess it sometimes puts it in ... and yet) I read the informational site (this is the main thing) + - put a comment wrote well, I argued a little (for the debaters, there is a personal) for the moderators it is difficult to keep track of all our comments ... I think so. But at the expense of minusovalschikov hidden it is correct .. I like the informational site .. Well, I think I said everything briefly ..
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 31 August 2013 01: 34 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      I like the informational site.


      I would like to wish the site more informative! It is in the field of military review. And for political news a "political review" has been created.
  23. ICT
    ICT 31 August 2013 02: 22 New
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    By the way, it can return the column (to the main page), with the latest comments from FORUM, as the tog came in, and there is silence
  24. MG42
    MG42 2 September 2013 00: 37 New
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    g) It is forbidden to add articles from third-party sites to comments, since this is contrary to the purpose of the commenting function: comments on the site are intended solely for the readers to express their own opinions about published articles. At the same time, reasonable quoting of materials from other sites is allowed within one comment with the obligatory reference to the source.

    Item <w> is a very good addition, it was not commented on on this thread, and so >> with these sheets from third-party resources, you can flood any thread not only plagiarizing other people's texts, so while you scroll through these long comments, the mouse <gets tired> fellow , read comments below specific problems then comment on the branch becomes too long ..

    You can also add the functionality of the <blacklist> limit 5 can add a maximum of 10 persons to one user. Otherwise, it loses its meaning, the user can add as many members of the forum as he wants, except for the moderators, to his list and thus create his own alternative circle on VO, and others will not appreciate his comments with a plus or minus ..
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 12: 47 New
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      MG42
      Let me disagree.
      Quote from the Encyclopedia, do you find it unnecessary?
      For example, let me break the rule, for clarity, here is the material http://maxpark.com/community/2100/content/2177075#comment_28957224
      Look, pauls will follow the link. You will see there the impudent, unprincipled lies, well-coordinated bots of that resource, how to deal with them? Just saying that they are idiots? So it's not a FACT, this is a state of mind, but their activity destroys the psyche of people, instilling in them inferiority complex in relation to your country.
      Let the branch become longer, it’s not terrible, more important the TRUTH. And where you can’t explain everything in your own words, the quote is appropriate.
      Emergency, as a remedy for bots and trolls, is very good, here administrators can immediately calculate the intrusive workers of structures directly working against Russia using the FALSE method.
      1. MG42
        MG42 2 September 2013 16: 21 New
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        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Let me disagree.
        Quote from the Encyclopedia, do you find it unnecessary? ... Let the branch become longer, it’s not terrible, more important the TRUTH.

        And if you hang 10 sheets in a row on one branch without links, quietly talking to yourself .. laughing
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Emergency, as a remedy for bots and trolls, is very good, here administrators can immediately calculate the intrusive workers of structures directly working against Russia using the FALSE method.

        You still do not understand what I wrote, I am not against emergency situations, but about limiting it by the number of >> you can enter in an emergency and 100 users, then carry nonsense without fear of cons ..
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 3 September 2013 11: 21 New
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          MG42 SU
          "You still do not understand what I wrote, I am not against emergency situations, but about limiting it by number >> you can enter 100 users in an emergency situation, then carry nonsense without fear of cons .." - YOU are wrong, this the method is used just by all sorts of information bots and trolls, because the old user knows who is who and can always give a reasoned answer to a troll, who has nothing in its arsenal other than information bots.
          And if you hang 10 sheets in a row on one branch without links quietly talking to yourself .. laughing - Again, this is one of the tricks of information bots and trolls that deserve a topic that for one reason or another is not acceptable. There are a lot of examples.
          It’s good that in VO there is no such influx of clones, trolls and simply senility, unlike the resource that I gave you as an example.
          One of the reasons why I left the MP, and this is precisely what the administration’s policy is there, is that the mass of negativity about Russia and its history and the suppression of, so to speak, patriotically targeted users are maximally ensured.
          Remember how Goebbels broadcast on the account of the number of LIES? Just that case
          1. MG42
            MG42 3 September 2013 15: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            YOU are wrong, this method is used just by all sorts of information bots and trolls — reckoning for a fresh one, because the old user knows who is who and can always give an argumentative answer to the troll, which has nothing in addition to informutory.

            In my opinion, I clearly explained that you will not give an answer to the troll if the troll brings you to the emergency laughing , however, judging by your profile, you have registered for 4 days >> then you will understand what's what ..
  25. dred
    dred 2 September 2013 17: 40 New
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    Finally, the rules of the site have become more regulated. By the way, about the downgrade, I liked the rating. Success in the future site and administration!
  26. washi
    washi 3 September 2013 13: 54 New
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    insult that the person, that his faith - I agree, but not its representatives on earth. The publication of other people's articles - I agree. Comments, if at the expense of other people's brains - I agree.
    As for the name of nationalities, I did not understand. I ask for a list of allowed names, taking into account self-names and European toletarism
  27. Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 September 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    in principle, everything is logical, but this point
    h) A targeted methodical downgrade of the opponent’s rating is prohibited on the site, i.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be lowered by 50%.
    If the opponent methodically, but under different sauce oppresses his line, then probably he should be punished? Moreover, the other day, it might seem that one of the smartest members of the forum regularly losing rating for anti Russian subtext, in my opinion, clearly provoked and led under a new article (multiple minus one user’s comments). But for tricky tactics, you can always pick a nut good
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 September 2013 11: 45 New
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      Quote: Bort Radist
      If the opponent methodically, but under different sauce oppresses his line, then probably he should be punished?

      Because he has a "wrong" point of view in your opinion?
  28. Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 September 2013 17: 01 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Because he has a "wrong" point of view in your opinion?

    Everyone has the right to have an opinion on an equal footing. It "drips" on the minds, and water, as you know, wears away the stone. I bet for half - my disagreement, and I am circumcised with a sickle. Previously, he was afraid to gain a rating of two skulls, but now? A knight without fear or reproach. I'm talking about smart and calculating.
  29. Pamir210
    Pamir210 10 September 2013 19: 40 New
    0
    Under what conditions can the site administration ban a person immediately without warning?
    taking into account the fact that he does not violate the specified site rules.
  30. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 23 September 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    And does discrimination on material status get resolved?
  31. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 25 September 2013 20: 16 New
    +2
    The site is turning, the site is turning ... into a one-sided, truncated version for understanding the great American underdeveloped and uneducated faculty eaters with a claim to the rulers of the whole world. Wait! What now???.
  32. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 19 October 2013 06: 07 New
    0
    In general, I don’t understand why all these pros and cons are, the rating is some, my own opinion is enough.
  33. negeroi
    negeroi 25 October 2013 19: 47 New
    0
    It touches me like a bunch of adults, sometimes hard-won, and harsh men ..... play horseradish likes, and put and give marks. And most importantly they become like those nymphets, tremulous, waiting for the ratings of their opuses and statements. Tyrnet specialists offered a game, and now a bunch of adult respected men are banging around the field in bags. And they are very ambitious and cursing. The kindergarten grew stronger
  34. kontrol
    kontrol 26 October 2013 19: 41 New
    +1
    I have a question for the moderators, but what kind of interesting flag do I have?
  35. Fobos-grunt
    Fobos-grunt 31 October 2013 08: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Old very
    , so there the forum frankly agreed: And let's ban this ... Well, like a football contract match.

    I was amused by the Ren-TV Forum in the topic “Do I need to legalize small arms or early?” statistics of 75% of visitors for the legalization of the short barrel. At the same time, the moderator and his loyal trolls openly mocked those who were FOR and tried to discuss the characteristics of self-defense means. Today they have closed access to many interesting sites on history and it will be a pity to lose the VO forum due to someone’s showdowns
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  37. moskal68
    moskal68 5 November 2013 16: 53 New
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    Comrades, how can I register on the forum? They write that registration is suspended. How to be
  38. SEM
    SEM 14 November 2013 12: 16 New
    0
    EVERYWHERE HAS ITS OWN LAWS !!! THIS IS DEFINITIVE !!! and dissatisfied simply can solve this problem for themselves, leave this site and leave it will be the most competent solution. And a saying about it also says that - They don’t go to someone’s monastery with their charter ...
  39. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 19 November 2013 18: 02 New
    0
    Actually the ratings will or will not be, the tenth thing. And the site is needed at least for several reasons 1-let off steam. 2-fruitfully argue. 3 Read smart comments and sometimes come across sensible links to other interesting resources. 4 at the same time, and a big brother wraps something on his mustache, he is forced to poke his long nose by the nature of work. But to delete, to put it mildly, ** wonderful ** comments are off topic and with obscene things as needed, he doesn’t paint anyone.
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 24 November 2013 20: 07 New
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      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      . 2-fruitfully argue.

      late, they argued earlier, they argued so, but now it’s not going to be too much .. lowering
  40. shoemaker
    shoemaker 23 November 2013 17: 20 New
    0
    I agree with all the conditions of the editor. But I wanted to ask me to make an editor a black shoulder strap with the inscription CA or BF, and without raising the rating, I’ll manage - it’s not for Senka’s hat.
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  50. majorserg1978
    majorserg1978 1 January 2014 15: 57 New
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    I’m a new person here, I don’t climb with my charter. But will it be impossible for (sorry for some premature) from our community such a formalized American society? Where the word "nigger" is prohibited because it is a racist criteria. For example, I studied (like the hero of Bodrov in "Brother") in a Soviet school and there they said that blacks live in Africa. Now I know that this is not true (blacks live in Paris. It seems that everyone). But some may still count as taught in school.
    The form of expression of opinion, of course, is important, But no more important than the content. And with a strict restriction of form, part of the content is necessarily cut off. It’s like translating from one language to another. Absolutely accurately express your opinion a person can only in his native language. But the native language does not always sound good sounding for someone else's ear.
    What is more important for us - to understand each other or speak out about the topic with smooth phrases without offending anyone?
    But patriotism is generally a very vulnerable topic.
    And discussing topics related to patriotism without emotion is like drinking without water. Can not be.
    And short monosyllabic statements carry an emotional charge and either support or crush. And this is also part of the discussion. Notice. Even in the legislative assemblies, such words and calls are heard - and in such a way that the TopWar forum looks like an institution of blessed damsels. And sometimes it even seems that the purpose of those present is to boast to each other.
    You can overstep in any matter. In no case do they claim that this applies to our forum.