New additions to the site rules

Added items "d" - "h"
General rules of conduct on the site:
To begin with, the site communicates hundreds of people of different religions and beliefs, and all of them are full visitors to our site, so if we want this community of people to function, rules are necessary. We strongly recommend reading these Rules, it will take you only five minutes, but it will save us and you time and help make the site more interesting and organized.
On our site you need to behave respectfully to all site visitors. Do not insult to the participants - it is always superfluous. If there are claims - contact Admins or Moderators (use private messages). Insulting other visitors is considered one of the most serious violations and is strictly punished by the administration. We thank you in advance for your understanding and for the desire to make our site more polite and friendly.
The site is strictly prohibited:
a) mat in any form (open and veiled), swear words; insults and threats against your opponent;
b) inciting national hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: Khokhol, Khokhlyandiya, Zhid, UWB, Bulbash, Talaponets, Chock, Khachik, Azer, cross-eyed, Moskal, Raska (generally mentioning Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech ;
at) Flud

Flood (from incorrectly pronounced [1] English flood - flooding, flooding) - messages in Internet forums and chat rooms that occupy large volumes and do not carry any useful information. Normal flood messaging - Sending a large number of similar messages. Flood spreads as a result of an excess of free time, and with the aim of trolling - for example, from the desire to annoy someone.

d) Have multiple accounts one visitor;
d) Insulting the religious beliefs and feelings of citizens, such as: the publication of anti-religious demotivators, sayings, poems, video and audio clips, etc .;

This rule has been in effect for several months. And only a couple of visitors were banned for it - for frantic anti-Orthodox comments. No one is going to punish for "expressing one's opinion within the framework of a rational discussion, without mats, screams, insults and other flooding" ...

e) With all due respect to other languages, The language of communication in the comments to published articles is Russian.. Unfortunately, speakers of other languages ​​often use them to clarify the relationship between themselves, while using obscene language. In addition, the forum assumes publicity, therefore, statements written in any foreign language and incomprehensible to the absolute majority of readers due to their ignorance of various foreign languages ​​will be deleted;
g) It is forbidden to add articles from third-party sites to comments, since this is contrary to the purpose of the commenting function: comments on the site are intended solely for the readers to express their own opinions regarding the published articles. At the same time, reasonable quoting of materials from other sites is allowed within one comment with the obligatory reference to the source. For the insertion of whole articles from third-party resources in the comments (“comments with continuation”) - delete all user comments and reset the rating;
h) The site is prohibited targeted methodical downgrade opponenti.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be lowered by 50%.

An example of a single user logs. There you can see that the "YAKOBY" specifically minus all the comments in a row this user. Specially waited time and minus. This is what is called “targeted minus”:

This will be considered a violation. If one and the same user zaminusoval two consecutive comments - this is valid, but if more violation.
And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

For violations - warnings and ban:
4 warning - ban for two days;
7 warnings - ban on 10 days;
9 warnings - ban on 30 days;
10 warnings - an eternal ban.
The term "ban" means that the site can be viewed, but you can not log into your account and leave comments.
A warning or a ban can be challenged by writing to the site administration if you think that the punishment has been applied unfairly. Even after deleting your comment from the site, it remains in the archive, and you can view it if you wish.
By decision of the Site Council (it includes admins and moderators) a ban can be imposed on a visitor or his account can be removed from the site, regardless of the presence of warnings.
Let us respect each other and our website on which you and other readers come to talk and express their thoughts. The management reserves the right to remove comments, or part of the comments, if they do not meet these requirements.
Insult administrators or moderators also punishable ban - respect the work of others.

Comments

[SPBOBL]

“Everything should be beautiful in a person: face, clothes, soul, and
thoughts ... ”, - said the Great Russian classic Anton Pavlovich Chekhov ...

[experienced]

Confuses this item

h) A targeted methodical downgrade of the opponent’s rating is prohibited on the site, i.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be lowered by 50%.

If I do not like all the comments of a member of the forum, why am I deprived of the legal right to put him "-". There are trolls on the site who sometimes want to put a hundred minuses. I myself try not to sin with this, I don’t go to the "rear and archives" in order to settle scores, but sometimes people get so pissed off that they tremble in their hands, and he also gets pissed off, how can I not minus comments in the article? Yesterday the "gishpanets" was annealed, it seems, in a state of doping. Explaining something to him is not possible, but from him as from a toilet into which yeast was thrown rushing ...
It seems to me that it is much shittier when they attack in "flocks", here you really "put out the light", and if the loners "come together in battle" and do not appeal to the Admin and the moderators, then isn't it better not to get involved in "other people's squabbles"? Now, if someone complained and "substantiated", then there are no complaints. IMHO

PS If you initially gave the right to put "-" and "+", then why now infringe on members of the forum in this right. There are few eccentrics who "are thrilled" putting "-", basically, that it was (hitting, insulting ...) and "-" is the result.

And the concept

targeted methodical reduction of the opponent’s rating, i.e. multiple minus one user comments

in my opinion "blurred". How much is 10% of the opponent's comments per day, 25%, 50% or 75%?
Let us, while establishing such serious Rules, denote somehow the "fact of violation" by numbers. And then someone will write 2 comments, I will minus both of them and "hit"

[Smirnov Vadim]

There is a time limit for evaluating the comments of one user. This was done precisely in order that there were no such things.

[experienced]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

There is a time limit for evaluating the comments of one user. This was done precisely in order that there were no such things.

Hello, Vadim I do not argue with the time limit, moreover, it may even be worth increasing from 10 seconds to 1 minute or 5 minutes, no questions asked. The question concerns the definition of "targeted minus", I don't understand. Close for the spacer "-" comments that are more than 3 days old and the problem will "dissolve" by itself. in 3 days you can't drive it into your skulls, but don't regulate the process You do not know the "root causes", and analyzing the "squabbles" you will simply get bogged down in them. Now "circulation and minus the archives" takes place, and this evil must be fought, and not with the fact that the comments in some article were "minus" to the opponent. Minus passed and "lost steam"

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: seasoned

because in 3 days you can't really drive it into the skull, but don't regulate the process itself

If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

[experienced]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

I expressed myself incorrectly, I wanted to say that minus the comments of the opponent, which he left on the site in 3 days, you will not cause much damage to him. This is if they are closed for "-" comments that are more than 3 days old (archived)

[Mitek]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: seasoned

because in 3 days you can't really drive it into the skull, but don't regulate the process itself

If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

And to me personally, all ratings to one intimate place. I like it here because you can get a reasoned answer, even if it contradicts my opinion. In addition, it closes knowledge gaps and distortions in information. But the paragraph on anti-religious propaganda ... I'm sorry, but I'm disgusted. It’s also a pity that Amers cannot be called idiots.

[Very old]

Mitek, I come to communicate, express myself, find out people's opinions and learn something. Twice I visited the website "The Third World War", so there they openly agreed on the forum: Let's ban this ... Well, like a football match fixing. I really hope this will not happen

[tukzar]

I really hope this does not happen in VO

this will not happen MORE ....

[experienced]

Quote: tukzar

this will not happen MORE ....

I have never liked empty-headedness, but here I also have slogans. Ex "quiet", have you been given the authority of "enforcing the Rules" and given a "magic keyboard and mouse"? Or can you only communicate with slogans?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: seasoned

Or are you only able to communicate with slogans?

Today I suggested to admins not to put "+" for slogans, and comments like "Great", "still such", "handsome!" do not evaluate, because information does not carry, but only emotions.

[ele1285]

And when did you fall in love with a girl, did you also clearly pronounce everything according to the charter or were there emotions?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Very old

And let's ban it ... Well, like a football match, I really hope that this doesn’t happen

Ban is the administrator’s right, as regards contracts, they used to be, now they aren’t.

[Apollo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

with regard to contracts, before they were

here from here in PM

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Apollon

here from here in PM

Oh Apollo, why do you need it, everything is already overgrown with moss. Yes, and you yourself know

[tukzar]

I personally all ratings to one intimate place. I like it here because you can get a reasoned answer, even if it contradicts my opinion

I completely agree with you !!!!

[Current 72]

I’ve been following a military review for a long time. I tried to register, but it didn’t work. And here I am. I like VO with my articles and discussion by their club members. I understand the word FREEDOM not as permissiveness, but as self-discipline, morality and conscience. About the minuses and pluses , I think it’s not necessary to limit, but simply designate, for example -7 15 + 11, and then I think everything will work out. In vain minus, I think no one will. Sorry, I'm not an experienced member of the club yet.

[ver_]

Strange, but I have 3 different registrations, somehow it worked alone today, I don’t understand - what
it is ...

[michajlo]

tukzar RU August 30, 2013 11:16 ↑

Mitek (1) SU August 30, 2013 10:22 ↑
I personally all ratings to one intimate place. I like it here because you can get a reasoned answer, even if it contradicts my opinion

I completely agree with you !!!!

Good day to all!

I have exactly the same opinion as the two quoted members of the forum. Here on the site I am interested in communication, exchange of opinions, joint search for answers to a question, study of links from others. And the very process of communication and searching, of what connects us, is dearer to me than all the "+" and "-" received or abandoned.

If I was “bombarded +” yesterday, I don’t boast about it, but today (just for example) after exchanging one or two “Remarks” with someone, and I’ll “drop the -200 mark,” I personally “run to complain” to Admin about this does not intend. For me, these points are NOT so important. And after some such “actions”, without my response, why didn’t the “rating / rating failures” repeat me again? Either I turned out to be insensitive to this “way of clarifying relations”, or did “these individuals” come to my senses? I don’t know, but I had such a result.

What in my opinion is much more important, is that the Admins, here on the site FAIRLY support the "very high general level of decency" of the statements between our members of the forum!
In heated discussions, it is very easy for all of us, including me, to “slip into the swearing kind of communication”, especially if the opponent is an experienced “swindler and seditious / V.S. Vysotsky”, and then from the decent patriotic and serious VO site, we will easily slide ALL to the level "cesspools in the forecourt buffet 5 minutes before closing."

That's because of this parameter (respecting the limits of decency), I’m personally ready to calmly transfer and some kind of “in my opinion an unjust step towards me from the Admin”, it will not leave me, at the moment, maybe my emotional assessment will not the most accurate, from the side you can clearly see better how I look. Well, after a week or two, these things are not worth remembering, except that someone will remain “insulted to death”.

And besides, dear admins, you too, just like we are mere mortals. In one case, you will do everything “according to the Bible”, but another time you rivet directly “according to Capital”.

In general terms, I, as a new Forum, do not have any serious comments on the work and rules of the Admins. In addition, you can always after some time some provisions that are not necessary or good, to change them.

By the way, dear Admins, I still have not received from you an answer to my offer to you in my opinion 2-3 weeks ago.
In it, I suggested that you “adjust the cap” of the cited Note, where, in addition to “nickname and the inscription Today 11:15, new”, also indicate the date in full or abbreviated form like “_131005 / sub” or “Sub / 05-10-2013 ". Indication of the date will help with later quoting or responding to this Note.

Sincerely, Mikhailo.

[ele1285]

You know the GENERALS, I am very interested in this site. But sometimes I don’t understand you about the names, SPS, etc. I have a KHOKHLUSHKA wife, she calls herself that, what is nationalist here? I consider myself and tell her about myself "B" and I do not see any national religious discord in this. Maybe I'm wrong, but it turns out that we speak different languages, but I am against swear words.

[vladkavkaz]

Alexander Romanov
Enlighten, what is "driving into the skull"? This is a ban, is it to disavow an opponent, or something else

[Smirnov Vadim]

I showed you an example from the logs of one user. It can be seen that "JACOBS" specifically minus all comments in a row of this user. I specially bided my time and minus. This is what is called “targeted minus”. And at the expense of increasing the time - this has already been tried - it did not go ...

And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

[experienced]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

Vadim, and yet if a member of the forum was given the right to evaluate the comments of other members of the forum and endowed him with an "evaluative function", then why do you want to interfere in this process? You know, I never complained about the "-", although I used to "ogreb", and someone, having received a minus for the comment, then dirtied the entire thread of discussions with their comments
"Who minus me?"
"For what I was minusanuli again, show up, tell me why" and so on and so 10 comments for 1 "-". Close the archive for "-" and punish those who, for example, put everyone in the topic without analyzing the minus (there are some), but you should not evaluate members of the forum in their "legitimacy of ratings" IMHO

PS Here people seem to me to confuse the topic and come for the "rating"
Modera remove this nonsense

Quote: colonel

And it is right!!!

Quote: LaGlobal

Rules must be respected! And this is true.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: seasoned

and someone got a minus for the comment, then the whole discussion thread will spoil their comments
"Who minus me?"

Removing komenty and all. No problem.
Modera remove this nonsense
No breaking the rules!

[FATEMOGAN]

I support Aleksey, that’s such an incomprehensible situation now, for example, you are discussing with someone and categorically disagree with the person’s arguments, we abandoned each one for 5 comments, and now it will be possible to evaluate only 2 comments, and tell the rest what to do, not to answer or immediately put the pros. How to say this is a strange rule.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: seasoned

Close the archive for "-" and punish those who, for example, put everyone in the topic without analyzing the minus (there are some), but you should not evaluate the members of the forum in their "legality of ratings"

Alexey, I fully support you. Moreover, putting cons in the archive is like shooting in the back! Such figures simply need to be banned for months, with the sending of a personal message about why he was banned.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: seasoned

Close the archive for "-"

I do not agree. Let’s say one of the forum users was interested in his commentary and it became interesting to me - he systematically thinks and writes in such a way, or just the specific material of a single article affected him so painfully. To do this, I go to his profile, read and vote, what is the crime?
Here are group attacks, as a rule on a national basis, yes, it’s unpleasant when they neglect you as a group, without arguments, simply because you allegedly touched someone’s national feelings with an absolutely correct statement. What to do in this case?

[Kars]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

And this is how normal logs should look, all users are different, and not one:

Let me see my profile.)))

[Smirnov Vadim]

Quote: Kars

Let me see my profile.)))

Profile see any number. Logs are available only to admins. Why is it clear ...

[tukzar]

And how do you explain this ??

No. I only recruit recruits, the "quiet" declared war, promised to drive me into the skull, said that I was drunk and brought it into the emergency situation wassat Now I am looking for members of the forum and ready to exchange each of them "-" quiet for "+" from me. Only business and nothing but hi
The marshals will minus "free", and I will also connect them, it was not worth touching ...

It turns out double standards ?? in words one thing and really another ...

If you want, you can drive anyone into the skulls in an hour, it’s checked. Only if a person writes a complaint later, the minus signer will suffer multiple.

Since you did not suffer, then he did not write ...

and I will quote:

I’m drunk, but I control myself and the situation around!

[Smirnov Vadim]

Well, you can't think of it against this rule. It remains to hope for the decency of those whom this "businessman" will call companions ...

[experienced]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

Well, you can't think of it against this rule. It remains to hope for the decency of those whom this "businessman" will call companions ...

It was me This "quiet" really offended me with comments, there was something from a series of comparisons of the nickname with my intellect and in a very offensive form, so I got carried away.
Hot-tempered, I admit But sometimes the boors really get it

It turns out double standards ?? in words one thing and really another ...

I’m just for the fact that if I was rude, rude, then “ogrebay” and streamline, and do not complain to the Admin “I am white and fluffy, but they do not like me”
So no double standards

[tukzar]

Hot-tempered, I admit

There is a good remedy against this - to do 100 squats (or how much you can) or take a contrast shower. Quiet acted decently and did not divide you by 50% .....

[tukzar]

This "quiet" really offended me with comments

Footnote pliz !!! How did it all begin ??

[experienced]

Quote: tukzar

Hot-tempered, I admit, Against this, there is a good way - to do 100 squats (or how much you can) or take a contrast shower. Quiet acted decently and did not divide you by 50% .....

Quote: tukzar

Hot-tempered, I admit, Against this, there is a good way - to do 100 squats (or how much you can) or take a contrast shower. Quiet acted decently and did not divide you by 50% .....

As I understand it, the "quiet" reincarnated and the disassembly began
Bugaga, in contrast to some "footnotes and quotations" I do not save up, and as I "flash" I calm down.
Hunting again to "wrestle"? Experience not for the future?

By the way, here is an example of an "offended" member of the forum, he himself can offend when he receives the "return" quietly "merges", then resentment and anger boil and it started off again. Here is who else will remember some "quiet", he was nobody and there was no way to call him ...

[tukzar]

As I understand it, the "quiet" reincarnated

And it doesn’t occur to you that now you are talking with his brother ???? Now write another person disgusting.


Pop clone

[experienced]

Quote: tukzar

And it doesn’t occur to you that now you are talking with his brother ???? Now write to another person of nastiness. Populate the wassat clone

Yes, even with the whole family, and then he himself put his tongue in?
Let the rest of the relatives regret and go to war on the offender
In the profile "Friend among strangers" characterizes you very much, damn it
One continuous flood from you in this thread and no constructive. They offended my brother, I came and they offend me, tomorrow someone else from ours will come. Masochists ...

[tukzar]

As I understand it, the "quiet" reincarnated

And it doesn’t occur to you that now you are talking with his brother ???? Now write another person disgusting.


Pop clone

[Sandov]

Maybe you shouldn’t curse the process too much. Maybe it’s better to cancel the rating then. Let's say I’m not pleasant or insulting statements, well, let's say Pupyrchaty. Can't I promote?

[Smirnov Vadim]

Read below for this rule. There is an explanation!

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Sandov

Let’s say not pleasant or insulting remarks to me, let’s say Pupyrchaty

In

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tukzar

Since you did not suffer, then he did not write ...

I didn’t minus the Pacific, I don’t even particularly remember what the quiet wrote and what kind of reitig he had. Tranzhira did not invite me to minus him and will not offer him, simply because with the proposal to minus Manager I answered him negatively.

[tukzar]

Quiet I didn’t minus

The conversation is not about you Alexander !!! A conversation about those who, without hesitation, vypimsya begins a mess and then begins to cry and ask for help to once again assert itself ....

[experienced]

If in a row two and three comments were made by the same user - this is acceptable, but if there is more violation.

Vadim, here are the conditions: in the evening I go to the site and read the article, in the comments there are comments from the forum member "X" and there are 6 of them. they are scattered throughout the thread, but all in the same style (negative to my understanding of the topic) I read the comments, someone "+", someone "-" and it turns out that I put this "X" for each comment - ". Is this a violation? Will I be punished?

[Smirnov Vadim]

While you finish reading them before each comment will take time and it is unlikely that your assessments will be in a row ... And even if in a row, no one specifically looks at all the logs, but only according to reports from those who have fallen heavily, all of a sudden.

[experienced]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

While you finish reading them before each comment will take time and it is unlikely that your assessments will be in a row ... And even if in a row, no one specifically looks at all the logs, but only according to reports from those who have fallen heavily, all of a sudden.

Thanks for the answer, now it’s become clear

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

specially, no one is looking at all the logs, but only according to the messages of those who have fallen heavily, all of a sudden.

Vadim! It turns out that the kosher people complained to the Admins about me, because I caught the Professor in a lie !? Well, this is the "genocide" of the Russian people! Many do not like the children of the tribe of Israel (for example, Pimply!), But that does not mean that I treat IGOR the same way I treat his brothers. There is a difference in evaluative positions, and they appeal to me, they are in tune with my thoughts. Why am I going to bet him "-"?

[experienced]

Quote: tukzar

The conversation is not about you Alexander !!! A conversation about those who, without hesitation, vypimsya begins a mess and then begins to cry and ask for help to once again assert itself ....

Flooding is not tired? There are bores ...
A serious topic, and here they flood about the insults of the past and who wrote to someone in a pot

[Boa kaa]

Quote: seasoned

You do not know the "root causes", and analyzing the "squabbles" you will simply get bogged down in them. Now "circulation and minus the archives" takes place, and this evil must be fought, and not with the fact that the comments in some article were "minus" to the opponent. Minus passed and "lost steam"

I agree! As a victim of "innovations" - on 30.08 they introduced - they didn't warn us, didn't read it, but they cut it off "like a Jew" by 50%! As I understood for the Jews I caught in a lie.
Negative archiving is prohibited. Access to them is limited to 1 by day. But to express their opinion by minus the opponent even in scientific circles is practiced (voting by balls).

[Current 72]

I support you!

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: seasoned

S If initially they gave the right to put "-" and "+", then why now infringe on members of the forum in this right. There are few eccentrics who "are thrilled" putting "-", basically, that it was (hitting, insulting ...) and "-" is the result.

Agree

Quote: seasoned

And the concept
targeted methodical reduction of the opponent’s rating, i.e. multiple minus one user comments
in my opinion "blurred". How much is 10% of the opponent's comments per day, 25%, 50% or 75%?
Let us, while establishing such serious Rules, denote somehow the "fact of violation" by numbers. And then someone will write 2 comments, I'll minus both of them and "got" belay

I join, specifics are required. There were situations - the site hung, I click the minus sign, it doesn’t respond, I click it again, here the vote works, and I’m a bang warning. Or, for example, I go to the user's profile, look at his previous comments, but they are mostly insane or treacherous or degrading, etc. (from my point of view). I’m minus them not because I consciously lower his rating without reading the comments, but because I fundamentally disagree with his (her) opinion, and what am I for that, ban? Then what is the point of voting - to sing praises to each other (for some reason, deliberately raising the rating is not forbidden, where is the logic).

[Current 72]

I agree with you. But besides this, a person is obliged to comply with the written and not written (moral) laws of the society in which he lives.

[Colonel]

And it is right!!!

[LaGlobal]

Rules must be respected! And this is true.

[bazilio]

Quote: LaGlobal

Rules must be respected! And this is true.

They must, but very many violate them. The most striking example
Site rules:
b) inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, yandiya, Jew, USA Bulbash, Talaponet, chock, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, Raska (generally speaking of Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech;

rare articles do without expressions such as "gayrope, s, Jews" and so on. I understand that the actions of the United States irritate many, like me, but we must try to control ourselves.

[washi]

Sorry for my ignorance, but I did not understand how to replace the word Azerbaijani and Jew ??
Persons living in the western part of the Caspian Sea, former subjects of Persia, who were under the influence of the Ottoman Empire, Aiser (excuse me), Rothschild subordinates, Jews, Jews, moneylenders, bankers, former Khazars?
But is macaw inciting hatred or will translation into Russian be considered?
And if a khachik is a name?
Why is North America (SAS) a violation, or have the Yankees already taken over both continents? (By the way, the Yankees (residents of the northern states of the USA) is also an insult?)

[bazilio]

Quote: Vasya

Why North American States of America (SASA)

What's new. What is this North American state? there is no such state. there are only united states of america.

[Raven]

will be soon

[biglow]

Quote: bazilio

Quote: Vasya

Why North American States of America (SASA)

What's new. What is this North American state? there is no such state. there are only united states of america.

Before World War II, the United States was called that. Nothing new

[bazilio]

Quote: biglow

Before World War II, the United States was called that. Nothing new

no, they were called the USA - the North American United States and not the USA

[srha]

"Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French people http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc.

[Smirnov Vadim]

Quote: srha

"Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French people http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc.

Do not distort!

[Manager]

"Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French people http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc.



Here it is right!

[experienced]

Quote: Manager

"Any anti-Orthodox and anti-religious propaganda in general" - the tale of the priest and his worker, the bastard Pushkin, was banned? Mayakovsky? A bunch of French http://libelli.ru/works/manus/index.htm too? Byron? Mark Twain? Etc. That's right!

Maxim, no need to "shine with red-mindedness" in this thread
The admin comes to meet us, discussing innovations, but "does not cut from the shoulder", let's at least in this thread we will discuss what is interesting and exciting, and not joke
No offense

[Manager]

Quote: seasoned

Maxim, no need to "shine with red-mindedness" in this thread

I didn’t just single out that))) I apologize. I wanted to highlight a new rule and say that it is right. As a result, I inadvertently singled out a comment with which by the way I do not agree.
I apologize!

+ Thank you for noticing.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: seasoned

The admin goes to our meeting, discussing innovations, and "does not cut from the shoulder",

Oh what a humane our ADMIN, damn it! That's why I think why I went to bed as a general, and when I became a half-colonel.
It seems not, but did not receive any warning!
And so they arranged a "circumcision" in the style of complainants and did not even send a notification. Very correct!

[Vlad 1965]

Dear comrades, administrators and moderators of the site, here you have issued this rule - "Any anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda, such as: publication of anti-religious demotivators, statements, poems, videos and audio clips, pictures, excerpts from books, etc. One-time violation of this the rules entail an eternal ban; "
It is clear that frantic barking at any religion (TRADITIONAL for Russia) is not the best method of dispute. There is the concept of CRITICISM, but there is CRITICISM, who will evaluate and how will you contain the advice of religious authorities, or what?
But in this case, where is the right of people, atheists, to express their opinion, within the framework of a reasonable discussion, without mates, screams, insults and other flooding?
But the attempt by such an introduction of the rules, to cut back the rights of ATEISTS, does not seem to be very good.
After all, under the "one-time violation" one can easily sum up any comment, any opinion other than the clerical one.
In my opinion, if you are interested, this paragraph requires a clearer formulation.
Why?
Yes, because by introducing such a RULE, you enable provocateurs to use this rule to the fullest by knocking out opponents' provocative comments from the site.
Other innovations are quite timely and necessary, this is a fact.
Thank you for your attention, with respect to your work, Vlad.

[Smirnov Vadim]

This rule has been in effect for several months. And only a couple of visitors were banned on it - for rabid anti-Orthodox comments. Nobody is going to punish for "expressing one's opinion, within the framework of a reasonable discussion, without obscenities, yelling, insults and other flooding" ...

[washi]

Sorry, but the words "Islamists" and "Wahhabis" sometimes appear in the news. Is this a violation of the rules? After all, this shows in a negative light the representatives of one of the religions? Or "the Orthodox Church is against the recognition of non-possessors, Old Believers, since they prevent the leadership of the ROC from stealing"?
As I understand it, any mention of religion should be excluded?

[carbofo]

Some religions have earned an adequate attitude. So nothing new.
As for personal enrichment, this is a separate topic of the moral values ​​of our supremacy, which has no direct relation to the mass of religious people.
Islamists and Wahhabis are terms; a term cannot be offended if it is applied to a specific person and / or group of persons and identifies him or their views.
Religion is a part of society and disputes regarding religion in one form or another will always be.

[washi]

Quote: carbofo

Some religions have earned an adequate attitude. So nothing new.
As for personal enrichment, this is a separate topic of the moral values ​​of our supremacy, which has no direct relation to the mass of religious people.
Islamists and Wahhabis are terms; a term cannot be offended if it is applied to a specific person and / or group of persons and identifies him or their views.
Religion is a part of society and disputes regarding religion in one form or another will always be.

Those. if I write that Patriarch Cyril is a thief and protects bandiuk, and women's monasteries - brothels for priests (if there is evidence) will I not have anything?
And if I write that the yoke was not Tatar, but Christian? Those. death due to violent Christianization?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vlad 1965

But the attempt by such an introduction of the rules, to cut back the rights of ATEISTS, does not seem to be very good.

Atheist is not a believer, what should he do in the subject of faith? You do not believe, it is not interesting, pass by.
And anyway, where did they get this nonsense-ATEIST'S RIGHTS ??? The Constitution of the country does not have such a concept. You yourself invent this, and then express dissatisfaction, despite the fact that there was not a single collision with atheists.

[Manager]

I agree! Why are we Believers in no way trying to insult atheists. And they are directly fiercely fighting for the opportunity to debate on religion?
Everything is fair! Law (rule) in a timely manner!

[El13]

Because believers, or rather the church, have recently crossed the line of peaceful coexistence and repression has begun, as a correction of the rules in this forum. Today it is introduced into the law on this site and it is used to a limited extent, tomorrow it will be used more widely, and the day after tomorrow the law will be submitted to the State Duma and part of the population (forum visitors) will not be so critical to it ... it all starts with a small one, the pendulum swings into the other side. No one was warned that for violation of this paragraph immediately and categorically life ban (shooting), not a warning, not a downgrade, etc. OTHERWISE. And do not tell me about the feelings of believers, I, as an atheist, also have feelings, but for some reason there is no point about my defense (I don’t ask, I won’t lose it, I can stand up for myself).

PS For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.

[Manager]

Quote: El13

PS For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.

It depends. In many cases, I look at atheism as allowing myself to live and sin. So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism. (By the way, I didn’t decide, but just somewhere I read the statement of some philosopher and I liked it).

Nevertheless, there were even more atheists in the USSR, but at the same time everyone lived in peace. And now, straightforwardly, all atheism is bursting with a laugh at the Orthodox (yes, it is over the Orthodox faith). For some reason, no one allows himself to make statements, etc., in relation to the Rabbis and Imams. Although they also sometimes have expensive cars and in general religions are even more strict.
So who gave you the right to laugh and condemn the Orthodox religion? Don't you think that they are trying to divide us into 2 more camps inside the country? Be smarter! Understand the essence! Live simple and enjoy life!
You do not like how priests behave, well, okay. Do not confuse priests (those de deputies) with religion. Do not allow yourself to say docile words. It’s like in the yard. Your friend is not right, but you need to intercede for him. After all, he is his own.

[does it]

Quote: Manager

So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism

And the worship of the remains, that is, carrion (which must be given to the earth) on which "business" is not Satanism? At the expense of hypocrisy in relation to prices - donations and tax evasion, I am silent!

[Manager]

Quote: kvirit

And the worship of the remains, that is, carrion (which must be given to the earth) on which "business" is not Satanism? At the expense of hypocrisy in relation to prices - donations and tax evasion, I am silent!

You confuse belief in God with the temples that do business. Why is there no such problem for Muslims, for example? For them, for example, donation, on the contrary, is a noble cause. Do you also have complaints to them? Or, as usual, only claims to Orthodoxy ???

[does it]

Quote: Manager

Why is there no such problem for Muslims, for example?

All religions have problems! Just for many, religion is a screen for doing business, including a bloody one.

[El13]

Quote: Manager

You confuse belief in God with the temples that do business.

I deliberately did not argue with you, since this is not the topic, but now after this phrase (hit the mark), I would like to ask who will be the judge who will separate "anti-religious statements" from "criticism of the business of churches"? Many people don't understand that faith, religion and temples are three different concepts. And will you understand if I tell you that I am a believer, but do not belong to any religion in the world? Therefore, I call myself an atheist.

[washi]

It depends. In many cases, I look at atheism as allowing myself to live and sin. So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism. (By the way, I didn’t decide, but just somewhere I read the statement of some philosopher and I liked it).
And you do not know that most of all, at least in our country, it is the believers who violate the commandments of Christ (one government is worth it). The atheists still remember the "Code of the builders of communism". And there are also Old Believers, Old Believers, non-possessors. And these are all offshoots of Christianity brought to Russia and echoes of the forcible baptism of Russia.

[Manager]

Quote: Vasya

And you do not know that most of all, at least in our country, it is the believers of Christ who violate the commandments of Christ

Oh well! Statistics in the studio, comrade!

[washi]

And you look at the statistics of the Church regarding places of detention. Or browse the official church holidays. How many thieves are there ?.

[Alex 241]

Quote: Manager

For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.

Rather, it refers to agnostics: I believe that I do not believe in anything.

[carbofo]

Quote: Manager

In many cases, I look at atheism as allowing myself to live and sin. So to say, atheism is a religion from the category of Satanism

I completely agree that atheism may well be a religion in fact, but this is a separate issue.
Sin regarding what? true faith? and how true it is, maybe Atheism, you don’t find an interesting paradox here.
Satanism is the antipode of religion in a sense, judging by it, it includes a mirror image of religion but with a minus sign, of course, conditionally, the concepts of good and evil depend solely on the point of view of the observer.
Atheism is not the antipode of any religion, rather, it denies their tenets, no more.
Nobody runs into rabbis and imams just because they can cut off their hands and live with wolves howling with wolves!
Moreover, if all our religious figures corresponded to the principles that they preach, then there would be fewer questions.
But no, they don’t want to. Get a sign!

[Manager]

Quote: carbofo

Moreover, if all our religious figures corresponded to the principles that they preach, then there would be fewer questions.

So I do not understand, you are already confusing God with those people who preach or what ???

[uwzek]

This is not the question. The discussed "fifth point", for all its categorical and peremptory character, is formulated extremely vaguely. If the authors of the wording understood anti-religious propaganda as attacks on the confessions officially recognized in Russia, it would be necessary to say so. Although, most likely, this rule was introduced due to the appearance of some kind of instruction from the supervisory authorities. That is why no one was banned in two months.

[studentmati]

Quote: uwzek

. If the authors of the wording by anti-religious propaganda understood attacks on the confessions officially recognized in Russia, it would be necessary to say so.

I also believe that in this case there should be legally balanced and competent formulations.

[Manager]

Quote: El13

Because believers, or rather the church, have recently crossed the line of peaceful coexistence and repression has begun,

Are you forcibly driven into the Moscow River to be baptized? You won’t be hired until you see a cross on your neck? What is the persecution? Just a song already .... dreamers of mlyn.

[El13]

There are several examples in my life when what is happening now crosses the line of peaceful coexistence, but I will give a recent example of a holiday in Sevastopol, when the organizers of the holiday are required to remove devils, mermaids and other "evil spirits" just because the Vladyka does not like it. And this will only grow, I see how it is growing, therefore I do not like it and not only me, but also those Orthodox who live with me, when, regardless of the opinion of the majority, I emphasize, the majority, through the administrative resource, which now , it's not a secret for anyone, superfluous, I emphasize, superfluous churches are being built close to the church in prestigious places. I understand everything, but the pendulum has passed the equilibrium position, and I don't like it.

[carbofo]

Quote: El13

when the organizers of the holiday are required to remove devils, mermaids and other "evil spirits" just because the Vladyka does not like it

Vladyka is not smart, it was necessary to play at the end of the performance a scene with the expulsion of devils, it would be both fun and instructive.
People look at things, if a person only speaks to him, they stop paying attention.
Somehow my friend’s grandmother was buried and I was invited to help, carry the coffin.
After the morgue, we went to church, and there I watched a picture that I remember well, because I am not a believer, I had to observe the technology of the ritual.
Firstly, I made a mistake and called my name, which later was woven into prayer, which did not cause me joyful feelings, since I could not understand what the priest was carrying to me who was less than a meter away.
And the second moment at which I will focus attention is after each prayer and hymns of 3 grandmothers of regular parishioners, the priest walked with a lamp and fumigated the saints (well, as I literally didn’t specify this procedure), in general, for the second time, he didn’t get a fire , trying several times, he apparently went to fumigate and lit a lamp.
I like a person who believes that if there is some kind of ritual, then it must be respected, from and to, if something was done wrong, then the meaning of the process disappears.

[Manager]

Quote: El13

a holiday in Sevastopol, when the organizers of the holiday are required to remove devils, mermaids and other "evil spirits" just because Vladyka does not like it.

Well this is nonsense, I agree. Well, it's probably rather rare cases and not statistics.

[El13]

You are right, these cases are rare, I would even say very rare, but after their complete absence I see an increase in frequency (although it is really a rarity so far) and this does not please, but so far it is not very annoying.

[carbofo]

Quote: Manager

Are you forcibly driven into the Moscow River to be baptized? You won’t be hired until you see a cross on your neck? What is the persecution? Just a song already .... dreamers of mlyn.

School religious education lessons are already worth what, I wouldn’t let a person in a cassock close to school, not because they are bad, I just consider teaching religion children unnecessary.
And then, if there will be Orthodoxy there, the Wahhabis will also catch up by the law, and wave the hand to the children's brain.

[Manager]

Quote: carbofo

Rocky school religious education is already worth

They are only in church schools. Do not smack nonsense.

[carbofo]

And what can they teach at a church school ??

[alexandr00070]

Quote: Manager

They are only in church schools. Do not smack nonsense

are behind the times, the subject "Fundamentals of Orthodox Culture" is taught at school once a week in elementary grades

[vladkavkaz]

El13RU
Why, VLAD 1965, immediately asked about this.
And Alexander Romanov, for some reason, through his lip, with a kind of contempt, apparently from an excess of religious feelings, immediately accused him of the fact that atheists have no right to speak. But it is valid that something is wrong in this RULES code, should something be changed?
It is clear that not a single normal atheist, for example, simply insulting a Muslim, the Orthodox will not-why, Vera, the matter is purely intimate and the choice of an adult.
Another matter of any kind of sectarians, Wahhabis, other Jehovah’s witnesses ..
From precisely such harm where as much.
Here in the NORTH CAUCASUS, this bearded scum killed a lot of people, but reckoning them as Muslims, the traditional ISLAM in Russia, MAY ONLY FINALLY BE FULLY DECEIVED INDIVIDUAL ...

[washi]

Quote: vladkavkaz

El13RU
It is clear that not a single normal atheist, for example, simply insulting a Muslim, the Orthodox will not-why, Vera, the matter is purely intimate and the choice of an adult.
Another matter of any kind of sectarians, Wahhabis, other Jehovah’s witnesses ..
From precisely such harm where as much.
That's when the current Orthodox leadership will carry the word of God on foot to the Islamists and Uniates, despising the dangers, hardships and deprivations will be able to convince the people to indulge in the Orthodox faith. Then I will believe in them.
In the meantime, only grabbing. Bastards.
Here in the NORTH CAUCASUS, this bearded scum killed a lot of people, but reckoning them as Muslims, the traditional ISLAM in Russia, MAY ONLY FINALLY BE FULLY DECEIVED INDIVIDUAL ...

[Beck]

Quote: El13

For those who are in the subject: atheism is also a religion, only without dogmas imposed by someone.

Faith is not TRUTH, but a private assumption.

And according to the new rules they will be able to punish privately for no reason whatsoever, because insults to the religious feelings of the believer apply to everything outside the Faith.

There is no God - an insult. The miracles of fiction are an insult. Signs of myths are an insult. Christianity in the Middle Ages burned people at the stake - an insult. Islam is Orthodox in the Middle Ages - an insult.

After all, believers do not share verbal abuse and obscenity in a dispute with arguments and arguments.

[Very old]

MAXIM, in my unenlightened view, it is IMPOSSIBLE to offend the true faith

[Manager]

Quote: Very old

it is IMPOSSIBLE to offend the true faith

How to say. For example, we compare faith with a feeling like love. Here you love let's say your wife. And then people fly in who do not believe in love and start laughing at your feelings. Moreover, sometimes even allowing yourself eruptive verbal and against your object of love. Is it possible that everything will be exactly what they laugh at your love and insult your wife?
Now, for believers, faith is also dear. So there is no need to do this.

[washi]

Any person can see your love, except for frostbitten animals. If he believes in your love for your wife, he will never allow insults, because he will feel your strength and desire to fight for her ..
And if you are a "dog", then I'm sorry.

[carbofo]

Quote: Manager

Compare faith, for example, with a feeling like love

Tu recently watched the dogs during the rut, the male dog runs relentlessly after the bitch, leaving a maximum of a meter, eyes square, saliva flowing, jaw in tremor, if it's love!? and you equate it with Faith, then forgive me, I do not need such believers at all.

[Manager]

Quote: carbofo

Tu recently watched the dogs during the rut, the male dog runs relentlessly after the bitch, leaving a maximum of a meter, eyes square, saliva flowing, jaw in tremor, if it's love!? and you equate it with Faith, then forgive me, I do not need such believers at all.

Well for you, love is drooling and square eyes. For me, love is an exalted feeling when the soul sings. So you are not lucky with your love campaign.

[El13]

Here I will support you, Love and sex drive are two baaaaa the biggest differences, although they often coexist.

[carbofo]

Quote: El13

Love and sexual attraction are two baaaaa the biggest differences, although they often coexist.

No one says that this is one and the same, read carefully, I do not say anything unequivocally.
So your demarche is not counted.

[carbofo]

Quote: Manager

Well for you, love is drooling and square eyes. For me, love is an exalted feeling when the soul sings. So you are not lucky with your love campaign.

And where does my love come from? I have described the actual muzzles quite specifically, so your attempt to write this on my account does not count.
You didn’t confuse your love with the philharmonic?

[Bort radist]

Quote: carbofo

For me, love is sublime feelings

No offense, but a joke.
"- Did you love?
- I did!
- I am in a sublime sense !!!
- Cancer, or what?

[carbofo]

Bort radist

You do not quote me !!! I did not say that.

[Dante Alighieri]

According to the LAW, a citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to choose, have and distribute both religious and Other beliefs. And this step of the site administration directly infringes on my constitutional rights. Everything is according to the LAW, everything is by law, as required by the Manager. In this regard, it is quite easy to sue the site administration under the well-known article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, where, among other things, we see: “humiliation of the dignity of a person or a group of persons based on gender, race, nationality, language, origin, RELATIONSHIP TO RELIGION, as well as belonging to any social group, committed in public or using the media. "
For those who care, I will say: I am not an atheist, but I do not share any of the world's religions. For me, God is the Great Architect, who absolutely does not care whether I believe in him, an insignificant ant or not, but who jealously follows the laws that he created for his world. I respect both the Bible and the Koran and share the ideas laid down in them by indisputable Great people, but I do not recognize the churches: neither Catholic, nor Orthodox, nor Muslim, nor Buddhist, etc. For any church is a social (and sometimes also a political) institution, which is built by the hands of people, and people, as you know, are not without sin. But if I am “sinful,” I do not undertake to teach other people how to live according to the laws of the Creator, which, admit it, all the churches of the world are gladly doing.

[Manager]

Quote: Dante

For those who care, I’ll say: I’m not an atheist, but I don’t share any of the world's religions.

Well, then cool down .... No one infringes your rights. They simply forbade speaking about religion so as not to hurt the feelings of believers.
We are not discussing or insulting your "Architect" here? We are not trying to forbid you to speak on this topic ... So cool down. And then I will say that I will sue you for infringing upon my rights as a believer in God.

[Dante Alighieri]

Quote: Manager

They simply forbade speaking about religion so as not to hurt the feelings of believers.

- You wrote it this way, but the rules say quite differently: "Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda." And this is demanded at a time when anti-religious, that is, atheistic propaganda is permitted by law, just like religious propaganda! The bottom line is in words: you can demand not to conduct propaganda against a specific religion (and then as ideas, and not its institutional embodiment in the form of a church and other hierarchy, of course, without taking into account the ritual component), that is, you cannot prohibit the expression of your worldview, but you can demand to submit my opinion is amorphous, as, for example, I did in my previous comment.

In general, the introduction of this paragraph seems unreasonable because of the existing offense punishment on the site, which, in my opinion, refers not only to a specific person, but also to religious and all other feelings.

Quote: Manager

And even then I will say that I will sue you for infringing on my rights as a believer in God.

“For recalling the letter of the Law?” An interesting process will turn out. :)

[Manager]

Quote: Dante

An interesting process will turn out.

See judicial practice)))

[carbofo]

Quote: Dante

- You wrote it like that, and the rules say something completely different:

I quote the administrator:

Smirnov Vadim SU Today, 09:37 ↑
This rule has been in effect for several months. And only a couple of visitors were banned on it - for rabid anti-Orthodox comments. Nobody is going to punish for "expressing one's opinion, within the framework of a reasonable discussion, without obscenities, yelling, insults and other flooding" ...

A fairly streamlined wording is inserted into the rules, this allows for repression at its discretion, without formally violating the rights of users.
Take my word for it, I have a permanent ban on one site, only because I accused the administration of de facto spreading gay prono, although in the rules black and white there was such a ban, and the admins did not want to listen to anyone, common sense not for all.
You can break the rules 100 times a year and be white and fluffy, but you can once and for all, it depends on the circumstances.
So, in fact, you can complain, but it does not have a judicial perspective, they don’t forbid you to read the site, and to allow discussions is the privilege of the administration, you don’t know how to slow down your problems.

[Dante Alighieri]

I just wanted to say that the wording should be even more streamlined and tolerant, that’s all. And that this paragraph of the rules is generally inexpedient in connection with the existence of a clause prohibiting insults. I started talking about the Law only because Manaker called for the implementation of the law.

[alexandr00070]

Quote: Manager

No one infringes your rights. They simply forbade speaking about religion so as not to hurt the feelings of believers.

absurd phrase no one infringes, just banned .............. full paragraph

[Very old]

Alexander, I can’t call myself a believer; I can’t call myself an atheist. Thomas Aquinas did not convince me, nor did the respected cosmologist Stephen Hawking. I have always respected sincere believers - they have something that for some reason is not available to me. And there is an article in the Constitution: on freedom of conscience. Accept and so on ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Very old

And there is an article in the Constitution: on freedom of conscience.

There is an article, but many have no conscience

[Manager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There is an article, but many have no conscience

That's right!

[does it]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There is an article, but many have no conscience

That is conscience! just different opinions.

[vladkavkaz]

Let me express an opinion, the presence of conscience is not determined by the religious worldview. There was more than one chance to be convinced of this.
What is the use of the nouveau riche standing in the Temples with a candle, since their deeds are such that to whom is a candle, to whom is a poker lamp?

[does it]

Quote: Very old

Thomas Aquinas did not convince me, nor did the respected cosmologist Stephen Hawking

Everything is clear with Thomas! Thanks to scientists, we see what is happening in the universe, although at a great distance we can see.

[V. Salama]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Atheist is not a believer, what should he do in the subject of faith?

Atheist atheist strife. There are Orthodox atheists who deeply and sincerely believe in the absence of God.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And anyway, where did they get this nonsense-ATEIST'S RIGHTS ???

Sometimes, during periods of social tension, religion takes the form of obscurantism and, personally, I would like to have reliance on the mechanism for protecting my rights.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

... despite the fact that there was more than one run over atheists.

It may not be on the site yet, but in life as much as you want - with a massacre of journalists, for example.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: V. Salama

There are Orthodox atheists who deeply and sincerely believe in the absence of God

Mom, give me birth back

Quote: V. Salama

and, personally, I would like to have support on the mechanism for protecting my rights.

This is the rare case when I'm in SHOCK. What rights, rights of what, what are you missing, who infringes on you ????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????

Quote: V. Salama

It may not be on the site yet, but as much as you want in life - with a massacre of journalists

It is the faithful who filled the journalist’s face? Probably the journalist also raised the issue of protecting the rights of atheists. You know, I'm not a Catholic either, I can give it in the face.

[V. Salama]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Mom, give me birth back

This idea, or rather self-characterization, belongs to the writer Erofeev (from an interview with KP).

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What rights, rights of what, what are you missing, who infringes you?

Personally, no one infringes on me, because I am not a Catholic either ... I just got used to tracking trends. It seems that my unsuccessful examples motivate you incorrectly, I will try to reason abstractly: when in a secular state the church begins to dictate its conditions and, not only to atheists, which resonates with fanatical "Catholics", it becomes scary for children. I would like, in these conditions, not to single out believers in a separate caste, endowing them with a special status and a special attitude towards the violation of their rights. One-sidedness in this has always come out sideways and is coming out now. There was no punishment for the beating of journalists (they filmed the actions of the temple guards). Right is the will of the people, formalized in the form of a law. If we talk about protecting rights, then not so selectively and with personal interest.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: V. Salama

Under these conditions, I would like to not single out the believers into a separate caste, giving them a special status and a special attitude to the violation of their rights.

Yes, they do not stand out, but at the same time they protect against attacks on them, which happens all the time. I won’t even talk about guns. Look at the comments of a year ago in articles on faith, there one even offered to spit on Christ.

Quote: V. Salama

. There was no punishment for beating journalists (videotaped the actions of temple guards)

They won’t just beat!

[V. Salama]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

... put protection against attacks on them

Nobody objects to protection, it is important not to fill this concept with your own content. In the opinion of the US leadership, protection is an active search and elimination of threats and dangers. Any “humanitarian” bombing can be justified with this slogan.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They won’t just beat!

Yes, just like that, no one hits. Even a rapist if the victim does not resist. But this is not about that, but about double standards and the equality of rights of all for indecent actions.

[Manager]

Quote: V. Salama

Atheist atheist strife. There are Orthodox atheists who deeply and sincerely believe in the absence of God.

You blew my brain!

[V. Salama]

Quote: Manager

You blew my brain!

There is nothing to be done, from a scientific point of view, this type of religiosity stands out.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: V. Salama

, from a scientific point of view, this type of religiosity stands out.

Not interested

[V. Salama]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Not interested

Since when have the opponent’s arguments become not interesting?

[Manager]

Quote: V. Salama

Since when have the opponent’s arguments become not interesting?

Because a million lemings are also opponents ..... And as they say, can a million lemings be wrong ??

[V. Salama]

Quote: Manager

Because a million lemings are also opponents .....

Well, the true essence has appeared. It smelled of bonfires of the Holy Inquisition. This is what the question is - the question of who should be protected from whom? And they say faith is love.

[Manager]

Quote: V. Salama

It smelled of bonfires of the Holy Inquisition.

No, this is for Catholics.
I'm talking about something else. If I am a believer, then why should I hear the opinion of a person who is trying to convince me otherwise? For me this is not acceptable. Here is an opinion regarding everything else, I will listen with pleasure and possibly accept.
As they say, never listen to the advice of those people who do not live the way you dream to live.

[V. Salama]

Quote: Manager

If I am a believer, then why should I hear the opinion of a person who is trying to convince me otherwise?

Am I so bad at expressing my thoughts? What was the "opposite" I tried to convince you? He did not impose his faith on you and did not discredit yours, he didn’t even say anything God-opposite. And the rationality of the principle "questions of faith are not discussed" has not yet been disputed.

Quote: Manager

Here is an opinion regarding everything else, I will listen with pleasure and possibly accept.

And this was the opinion about "everything else", namely, that the right to faith should not be usurped. It is impossible to live without faith, everyone believes (even having set ourselves any goal, we believe in it until the moment it is realized as a result). I would like to draw your attention to the pitfall that more than one boat has crashed and seems to be broken - there is a faith that is no less strong than yours and which also will not put up with the desacralization of its shrines and will not allow "to hang everyone on itself dogs ".

Quote: Manager

For me this is not acceptable.

So nearly everyone says. Misunderstanding of this (the presence of another faith and the right to it) shows through in your comments, which, firstly, prevents you from being respectable, and secondly, it can lead to negative consequences. You will then be naively surprised: "Where does this militant atheism come from?"

Quote: Manager

As they say, never listen to the advice of those people who do not live the way you dream to live.

You can conclude this way, but this, again, should apply to all parties.

[ver_]

God is an absolute multitude ... The Qur'an says - do not portray God as a person - he is not a person, do not portray God as a fish - he is not a fish and so on ... To consider normal a person who represents God as an old man with a halo sitting on the cloud does not have to ...

[vladkavkaz]

Alexander Romanov
From those times ...
Sorry, but in our Constitution it is written that religiosity is above all, or are the rights of churchmen of any religion higher than the rest?
As far as I remember, in the country, the CHURCH IS STILL SEPARATED FROM THE STATE, IS IT SO?
And if so, then it turns out that the claims of a certain part, classifying themselves as different beliefs, to the ultimate truth, are somewhat wrongful and, so to speak, ambitious.
Your phrase- "Atheist, a person who is not a believer and he has nothing to do in the topic of faith" ??
Both are on, so maybe it’s not worth it here, in which case to pull out any articles on religious subjects at all?
Well, if you pulled it out, then if you please listen to the opinions of everyone, regardless of religious or atheistic worldviews, why are you bargaining for yourself with an exclusive? (I remember, it was said, expel the traders from the Temple)
After all, Vlad 1965 had precisely this in mind.

[Manager]

Quote: vladkavkaz

Well, if pulled out, then you are kind enough to listen to the opinions of everyone, regardless of religious or atheistic

If they did, it was not for everyone. And for those who are "in the subject." For example, if I don't like embroidery magazines, I don't even go there to the forum with tips and discussions. It's the same here. Do you not believe? Well, then there is nothing to pester believers. Already it comes to the point of absurdity as in that joke

“What is the noise outside, Barrymore?” “This is a gay parade, sir.” “And what do they demand, Barrymore?” “Same-sex love, sir.” - Does anyone forbid them? “No sir.” “So why are they still making noise?” - Pid ?? aces, sir.

You also do not understand what you want. You are not forbidden anything. Live as you lived. Do not meddle in religion unless you yourself believe.

[vladkavkaz]

Manager
DO YOU DON'T LIKE EMBROIDERY JOURNALS, YOUR BUSINESS, AND HERE I DON'T LIKE WHEN RELIGIOUS VIEWS ARE PROMOTED IN JOURNALS AND WEBSITES DEDICATED TO THE MILITARY CASE, FOR THIS THERE IS A MAGAZINE OF YOURNALI- "VOPO"
Further, there are sites that are absolutely subordinate to the logic of church life, go there and communicate there, at least it corresponds to your beliefs, but there you are among yours (by belief, you can say anything)
There is a different situation here, neither I, nor many others, completely agree with your aggressive statement of the question - do not meddle, it turns out, you meddle with this question where you are not particularly called (they do NOT interfere, even to some extent protect)
There, higher than someone's correct words, frantic barking at religious beliefs, religion professed by someone is not acceptable, but imposing, moreover, aggressively and contrary to the obvious logic of their rules, is also unacceptable, see the Law.
And the last, you, as I understand it, you associate yourself with a kind of churched person?
Then where did you get such Aggressiveness- "Likewise, you do not understand what you want. Nothing is forbidden to you. Live as you lived. Only do not meddle in religion if you do not believe yourself."
Returning to you your same words-BELIEVE in anything, in Leviathan, three whales and a couple of elephants, but dismiss the society from imposing its clerical view of the present, in my opinion it is already impossible to express itself more clearly.
THIS anecdote, "- What is the noise in the street, Barrymore? - This is a gay parade, sir. - And what do they demand, Barrymore? - Same-sex love, sir. - Does anyone forbid them?" - No, sir. “So why are they making noise anyway?” “Pid ?? aces, sir.” “Exactly applicable to you, the“ joke ”failed, Barrymore.

[Manager]

Quote: vladkavkaz

Exactly applicable to you, the "joke" failed, Barrymore.

Where did you see aggression? You’ll spray yourself with saliva, but will you show me a finger here? Women's logic. There’s nothing to talk to you about. And also from Vladik. Shame is simple.
All of you are on my ignore list.

[vladkavkaz]

When to challenge the opinion is not able to hide in the Black Crypt? Strong ....
Squeal, hide in a feminine way, after an asshole in an emergency it characterizes you so ..
Faith is your own business, but do not shove it to everyone as something "true"; this is not your task and nobody needs it, such a presentation of your "Faith"
The people here are all quite experienced, adults, they themselves will decide who believes what and is inclined to believe.
If you are a kind of missionary, just write, I’m a missionary, I got such a task, everyone will have a clear, next revival of the political leaders but in robes.

[Andrey from Tver]

With religions you just dumbfounded me. What, there are often disputes about whose and which god is better? Do atheists shut up and not ask slippery questions to true believers? And the eternal ban for criticizing the controversial history of the creation of the world? Next MAT MAT MAT.

[Smirnov Vadim]

Answered above, read carefully!

[Manager]

Quote: Andrey from Tver

With religions you just dumbfounded me.

Why don’t you have it! What other topics to talk about? Just like demons are bursting with you!

[does it]

Quote: Andrey from Tver

Do atheists shut up and not ask slippery questions to true believers?

Thanks to atheists, you are now surfing the internet.

[Manager]

Quote: kvirit

Thanks to atheists, you are now surfing the internet.

Tim Berners-Lee - invented the Internet. He is a man. And who created the man? well, ok, now you say that it happened in the process of evolution. And who created the bacteria? Big Bang? Well, here again, goodies. Where did the big bang come from? Universe what?
So there you go! Until I get an answer, for me it was all created by God. Including and Tim Berners-Lee who invented the Internet.

[alexandr00070]

Quote: Manager

Until I get an answer, for me it was all created by God. Including and Tim Berners-Lee who invented the Internet.

that's what ATHEIS are for ............ people with an unclouded brain ............. to create ........... Russians always they were critical of religion and the proverbs were “Trust in God, but don’t make a mistake yourself”, onito always knew that man is the Center of the Universe and it is he who creates and thinks up everything, including religion, and the problems associated with it

[ver_]

God is one and his neme for God is the UNIVERSE ... God cannot be offended - only an inadequate person can be offended ...

[ver_]

Atheism is the same faith and more true than the rest ... When Patriarch Alexy was asked a question - God
created the earth in 6 days ..... He answered - no one knows how many memorable days in the day of God ..- maybe a lot of millions ...

[Sirs]

Why in paragraph E was singled out - "anti-Orthodox" and generally anti-religious propaganda ... "You simply cannot write that it is anti-religious. Otherwise, there are many religious-chauvinistic questions to the administrators and, therefore, in a priori whitewashing of" Orthodox deficiencies ".

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sirs

and consequently in the a priori whitewashing of "Orthodox lacks".

Orthodoxy is the main religion of Russia! The administration doesn’t whitewash anyone, simply because practically no comments are written. Visitors, not administrators, participate in discussions.

[Sirs]

I do not mean a discussion, but a moderation of comments related to controversial thoughts about Orthodoxy.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sirs

and moderation of comments related to controversial thoughts about Orthodoxy.

Believers do not have disputes there. If you have any contentious issues, I recommend that you contact a priest

[vladkavkaz]

In this case, you should go to the Journal, questions of religious studies, and communicate there, among your fans, by faith, here why drag in provocative materials that inevitably cause controversy?
There is no need to bargain for a position that immediately says that you are always "right".

[kartalovkolya]

In fact, the site was created not to clarify personal relationships, but to express one’s opinion. Of course, you can criticize the opinions of others, but with respect, but with regard to cannibals trying to plunge the world into the chaos of war and lawlessness, I consider any statements possible (of course, without obscene language)!

[revnagan]

It's amazing, because we ourselves, on this website, laugh at overly tolerant Europeans and Americans. We are surprised when they cannot call a Negro-Negro, a fat man - a fat man. And here the screws are tightening more and more. The same. On insults on the national soil, I agree. But on the minuses, it's not entirely clear. Why can't you often vote "for" or "against" the comment of any one visitor? And if I think (well, here I am personally) that Are all his posts successful (or vice versa)? It seems to me that this is not quite the correct idea. And in terms of language, are the sayings in Ukrainian not clear to the Russian-speaking visitors of the site? (I recalled the joke that Blucher was not translated into Russian). With respect
revnagan

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: revnagan

But the disadvantages are not entirely clear. Why it is impossible to often vote "for" or "against" the comment of any one visitor

Revagan, do you have to complain, you give me the minuses without leaving the box office Keep up the good work, one FIG 1 rating will not change

[Apollo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Keep up the good work, one FIG 1 rating will not change

that's exactly how long it will take for Romanov to drive you into skulls ?!

Week, Month, Year, maybe years ?!

Hello Alexander

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Apollon

Week, Month, Year, maybe years ?!

So life will be at the computer How do you live, but normal, I live minus Romanov
Hi Apollo.

[Manager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So life will be at the computer

Romanovs they are ...... invincible

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Manager

Invincible

Well yes Although there below minus Smirnov minus

[svp67]

Quote: Manager

Romanovs they are ...... invincible

Sorry Yurovsky did not know about this ...

[Very old]

Sasha, explain what it is -

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Very old

explain what it is -

What is a minus? Or you about what I did not understand

[Very old]

Why a rate. 1

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Very old

Why a rate. 1

Big secret

[washi]

And how do Ukrainian sayings differ from sayings of other nations? Or do you offer in Arabic, Tuvan, Yakut it.d. to prohibit, but on all variants of the Slavic to allow? This is discrimination against the peoples of Russia. There is a language of nationwide communication. It is Soviet Russian.
I don’t know modern rules and I don’t want to know

[Lone gunman]

The belt is getting tighter and tighter ... on the throat of those who disagree with the frank nonsense that some forum users carry here, but what about freedom of speech? I didn’t think that I would ever talk about this. Admins, do you want mediocre, monotonous thoughts of the forum users - like: everything in Russia blossoms well and smells, doesn’t it make sense to live in Russia, etc., etc.? I DOUBT ...

[Smirnov Vadim]

Quote: Lone gunman

The girdle is getting tighter and tighter ... on the throat of those who disagree with outright nonsense carried by some members of the forum, but what about freedom of speech?

What are you writing nonsense? Who buries your mouth ?! Nobody is going to punish anyone for "expressing their opinion within the framework of a reasonable discussion - without obscenities, yelling, insults and other flood"!

[El13]

The problem is not "going - not going", but whether there is a "law" or not and what kind of "law" it is. Today you do not use it, tomorrow the other who replaced you will use it. And if you do not use it, why do you take it? (pun)
There is a framework of existing rules, not bad, worked out over a certain period of time (I'm talking about the pros and cons), within the framework of these rules, there is enough space for a U-turn, which did not suit why innovations are needed? There I promoted Romanov in the course of the discussion about Putin’s divorce, so he brought me to the emergency situation and sleeps calmly, who prevents everyone from doing this, who is mined regularly — I learned from the admin who minus the emergency situation too. And if many are past, then I'm sorry - I earned it. Why is this vague rule h)?

[Smirnov Vadim]

Then that complaints come in regularly ...

[experienced]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

Then that complaints come in regularly ...

But I don’t understand this ... Maybe due to Soviet upbringing, we didn’t like sneakers in kindergarten and informers in school and the Army. Why did a man start a swara and understand that he got a head start running to complain to the moderators and the admin, and not looking for a reason in himself?
Maybe you should not pay attention to the complaints of members of the forum, for whom the rating means so much? And the complaints will disappear and forum users will think before being rude?

[Smirnov Vadim]

Quote: seasoned

for which rating means so much

And who writes this? A man whose rating is absolutely indifferent?

[experienced]

Quote: Smirnov Vadim

And who writes this? A man whose rating is absolutely indifferent?

Vadim, how long have you "zeroed" me? I just tried to show you every time that you can get a rating very quickly. I do not argue that he is a good help against boors, and only, there was a sensible idea for those who want to remove shoulder straps, but hung up ... I am jarred when members of the forum refer to "virtual titles" on the site, in my opinion it is not respectful to real shoulder straps.
What about the rating? I have almost all comments normal and not
"A beautiful plane (tank, armored personnel carrier ...)
"100500 S-300 should be sent to Syria)
"Geyropa, p ... s"
And there are a lot of such people on the site and they have their own rating.
You remember several times I registered and did not put any "+" or "-" at all, there were messages in a personal message "we will minus you" for the fact that the first comment in each topic was mine, I trolled a specialist I have never complained to you

[Manager]

Regarding the rating ....... for example, it offends me only in 1 case. When people do not read the commentary completely, they simply rely on a general rating. For example, they put you 2 minuses do not agree. And the comment is long. So other hamsters begin to put cons without reading.
For the rest, everyone has the right to agree with the expressed opinion or disagree. And indeed, if the forum has an outspoken boor, then why can't we lynch it?

After all, not the title is the main thing here, but the process of communication.

[experienced]

Quote: Manager

For example, it offends me only in 1 case. When people do not read the commentary completely, they simply rely on a general rating. For example, they put you 2 minuses do not agree. And the comment is long. So other hamsters begin to put cons without reading.

This is yes, almost a constant phenomenon, but I usually get offended when a forum member posts a comment with congratulations on the topic of the celebration of some kind of troops, and you look at him some former "foe" minus slapped That's when in such topics the scores are settled, here it is vile in my opinion. IMHO

[Pimply]

Rating is indifferent to the first two skulls. That is, five or two patriots cheers can literally ban for some thought that does not suit them. At the same time, it’s enough for them to shout Serdyukov themselves! to get to the marshal epaulettes in a couple of days.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pimply

. At the same time, it’s enough for them to shout Serdyukov themselves!

Serdyukov sucks !!! Serdyukov sucks !!!!

[Manager]

Vasiliev sucks! Litter of sludge !!!!!!!!

[Lone gunman]

this is not a big discussion thread:

indiggo RU August 27, 2013 17:16
people I have a proposal let's find this parasite that puts everyone cons tired already ...
PS remember swamp scum if I meet you I will make you disabled am
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pahom54 RU August 27, 2013 17:55 ↑
I fully support ... Actually, I thought that like-minded patriots of Russia gathered on this site, however, there are enough provocateurs ...
PS And the company Kamov and its helicopters - honor and respect!
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shasherin_pavel RU August 27, 2013 18:29 ↑
Honestly at one time I wrote that I put a minus to a person who was surprised that TT was made from Browning. I think that putting minuses in someone else's opinion is despicable, but for ignorance of the history of our weapons, a participant in the Military Review is normal. I urge those who put a minus - write for what and from whom, who did not do it to nail to the "pillar of shame" for lack of honor.
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NOBODY EXCEPT US RU August 27, 2013 19:51 ↑
That is, if I write that this car is very similar to one foreign unit ,,,,, then I am a provocateur ??? Cons I have not set ....

I thought here they are fighting primarily for the intellectual level of the site, but in reality it turns out that ??? I do not want to think that admins and modernizers cover, protect their "friends from the gateway" ... shame and disgrace ...

[experienced]

Quote: Lone gunman

this is not a big discussion thread:

Thanks for the quote. It is very indicative and characteristic. Moreover, everyone believes that he has the right to judge the other and has every reason for this, but when he receives a minus, he starts screaming like a public speaker. I do not argue that I have my own "favorites" on the site, which automatically have a "+", as a rule, they all have been here for a long time and they don't really need my "+". There are "flocks" you touch one and you see "the process has begun", it is like a "dead poultice" to me, and a newcomer can be depressed ... Here we have to fight this and noticed that the "community" began to flourish, one forum member with touch the flag and ...

[USNik]

e) Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda, such as: the publication of anti-religious demotivators, sayings, poems, videos and audio clips, paintings, excerpts from books, etc. A single violation of this rule entails an eternal ban;

This is news! I thought the site was neutral to both believers and atheists, but here is such a crack. Then the question regarding point D: will anti-religious quotations from classics like Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy and his "Answer to the Synod" be equated with such propaganda? (I will not quote, because Tolstoy did not choose expressions in this address)
And will there be a permanent ban for quoting Hugo, Freud, Goethe, for example, the latter held the idea that

The whole history of the church is a mixture of delusion and violence

And many contemporaries supported him, however, like living people. Or do you just advise getting around these slippery topics and not focusing on that?

[Smirnov Vadim]

And the site is neutral in relation to religion! But insulting believers and their faith is unacceptable. The rule is about this. It is necessary to read more carefully!

[El13]

You need to write carefully:

publication of anti-religious ... sayings ...

here you can bring a lot to it ...

[USNik]

Quote: Vadim Smirnov

And the site is neutral in relation to religion! But insulting believers and their faith is unacceptable. The rule is about this. It is necessary to read more carefully!

No one is going to insult believers, God forbid. Please answer the question about the classics, will it be possible to go to the bathhouse for quoting the sayings of past centuries?

[Smirnov Vadim]

Have you done this before, or have you seen others quote? Probably yes! Which one is banned? Do you understand the meaning of the word "GOLDEN"?

Exaggerated - having lost all sense of proportion, extremely unbridled ...

[El13]

And how does the word "rabid" fit in with "a single violation of this rule"?

[V. Salama]

Quote: USNik

No one is going to insult believers, God forbid.

For example, I believe in the victory of communism. Nobody is going to insult me ​​either?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: V. Salama

For example, I believe in the victory of communism.

Communism is politics, but in politics you can beat the face. Do not believe me, ask Zhirinovsky

[Manager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Do not believe me, ask Zhirinovsky

From Zhirinovsky you lyuley just grab the word communism and without any policy)))

[V. Salama]

Quote: Manager

From Zhirinovsky you lyuley just grab the word communism ...

I also karate ...

[Manager]

Quote: V. Salama

I also karate ...

Another crazy is more dangerous than any karateka)))

[V. Salama]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Communism is politics ...

Well, you have jokes ... The essence of politics is governance, and communism is both faith and conviction.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

For inserting whole articles from third-party resources into comments (“comments with continuation”) - deleting all user comments and zeroing the rating;

Wow. And if this is a fragment of MY article posted on another resource, as it was here http://topwar.ru/32417-avgust-1945-go-prichiny-kapitulyacii-yaponii.html#comment
-id-1441354 and I need to lay it out in order to substantiate my point of view in the discussion - it turns out, will they multiply me by zero? And so that this does not happen, I need to rewrite OWN article in other words ?! Or send an opponent to read ALL of my article, although only a fragment of it is relevant?
Of course, I understand that they don’t climb into a strange monastery with their charter, but ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Wow. And if this is a fragment of MY article

Read carefully .. For the insert whole articles from third-party resources

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Read carefully.

I read carefully, thanks. And the rules say that a reasonable quote is not forbidden if the quote fits into one comment. And I met in three.

[experienced]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And the rules say that a reasonable quote is not forbidden if the quote fits into one comment. And I met in three.

Andrew, I'm sorry to harness I think the Admin is also afraid of unfounded complaints from the sites from which the articles were taken, and therefore requires links to the copyright holder. If you yourself are an author, then there can be no complaints to you if you bring her even in 3 comments and she is in the subject of discussion
Forum users from the site "VO" also post articles from the site to other resources, I know two such sites, one INOSMI and the other http://forum.fxclub.org/

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Dear seasoned, why are you apologizing for something? Personally, I am always glad to see you :)

Quote: seasoned

I think the admin is also afraid of unfounded complaints from the sites from which the articles are taken, and therefore requires links to the copyright holder

Maybe so, that's why I unsubscribed here in order to know exactly the position of the administration. And then you write something, and then you rating - rrrraz - as a simple agricultural tool on the exterior of the primary male gender ...

[Stiletto]

Wow, how many comments! And I, by simplicity naive, thought that they did not discuss orders - they were being executed. I read, took note, made conclusions ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Having received the order, do not rush to fulfill it - wait for the cancellation ...

[Dante Alighieri]

Well, tell me the Administration: are you not afraid of criminal prosecution for point "D"? If you do not understand what I mean, find my statement above. If possible, I want to get an answer to my question, preferably in writing, and not in the form of a ban. I am not threatening in any way, but I am interested, because I'm really interested to know what prompted you to include this point in the site rules and thereby violate the legislation of the Russian Federation.
Regards, To your previous activities, Dante.

[washi]

Is it possible to offend the Cossacks? For their difference from the Russians, selfishness and ties with Jewry and the Caucasian tribes?

[bask]

********

""Oh! what a ridiculous loss!
Lots of funny losses in life.
I'm ashamed that I believed in God.
It's bitter to me that I do not believe now.
Golden, far away!
Everything burns everyday life.
And I was fucking scandalous
In order to brighter burn.
**********************
To all my sins for my sins,
For disbelief in grace
Put me in a Russian shirt
To die under the icons.
Sergey Yesenin !!!
Orthodox will say that there are no perfect people.
But by the end of life, all (almost) come to GOD !!!!

[studentmati]

Quote: bask

""Oh! what a ridiculous loss!
Lots of funny losses in life.
I'm ashamed that I believed in God.
It's bitter to me that I do not believe now.
Golden, far away!
Everything burns everyday life.
And I was fucking scandalous
In order to brighter burn.
**********************
To all my sins for my sins,
For disbelief in grace
Put me in a Russian shirt
To die under the icons.
Sergey Yesenin !!!

Comment beautiful thanks!

Orthodox will say that there are no perfect people.
But by the end of life, all (almost) come to GOD !!!!

Absolutely all come !!!

[Van]

Quite normal rules for quite decent people.

[Anti]

How to be with art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation?

[studentmati]

Quote: Anti

How to be with art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation? request

Submit to the Court, Constitutional! And then what was democracy announced to us? I say without irony, precedent, darkness and darkness ...

[Anti]

In Germany, freedom of expression from 1 to article 5, paragraph 1, sentence 1 Provides ms basic law (GG).

Paragraph 1 of Article 5 of the GG (abbreviated):

"(1) Everyone has the right to freely express their opinion orally, in writing and by means of image and distribution [...] there must be no censorship."

[studentmati]

Quote: Anti

In Germany, freedom of expression from 1 to article 5, paragraph 1, sentence 1 Provides ms basic law (GG).

Paragraph 1 of Article 5 of the GG (abbreviated):

"(1) Everyone has the right to freely express their opinion orally, in writing and by means of image and distribution [...] there must be no censorship."

We have our own monastery! And you, dear, are asked to abide by the rules of our monastery! Respectfully your opinion! To agree or not is up to you.

[experienced]

Quote: Anti

Save me Perun from the monastery!

And me

[studentmati]

Quote: seasoned

Bye forgive

Falling to my knees, my lord ....

[experienced]

Quote: studentmati

Falling to my knees, my lord.

Bugaga Damn, always respected people with CJ, do not take for flattery Laughed + you worthy and always contact, I will be glad to communicate

[Anti]

And also the Pechenegs appeared on the site How long will we endure them?

[Anti]

Quote: seasoned

We must unite and not let every flock fly

not useless, go for themselves

[studentmati]

Quote: Anti

it is useless

baзusefully written with "с"stop the drunken bazaar, men, if you are men?

[studentmati]

[quote = experienced] It is necessary to rally and not allow any flock to fly am
..................
Drunk bazaar, is the campaign going?

[Anti]

Quote: studentmati

Drunk bazaar, is the campaign going?

you can drink tea on your own, but never vodka !!

[studentmati]

Quote: seasoned

Oleg, this is a tumor ... It’s not for us to cut it recourse

Have you been invited to take part in the Inquisition?

Or maybe you and "Anti" are gray site coordinates?

[Anti]

strangled noble rage

[studentmati]

Quote: Anti

strangled fury noble recourse

Sleeping ....

[Van]

Quote: Anti

How to be with art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation?

And who said that democratic laws are the ultimate truth ?!

At its core, "Democracy" is not the best type of government for a "person of morality and conscience" for it will ultimately lead to the destruction of humanity.

[V. Salama]

Quote: Wang

At its core, "Democracy" is not the best type of government for a "person of morality and conscience"

Yes, just democracies are different. I dare to recall that democracy, as a form of government, took place even in the slave system. And there was also the Pskov-Novgorod veche democracy. If we reduce it to the essence (to a clear definition of the concept), then we often call democracy what it is not.
"Morality and conscience" - here we also often speak a language whose meaning we do not understand.

[Lexagun]

In order not to mislead people, it's probably time to just rename the site to military orthodox review
I’ve been at VO for a long time, but I don’t write often, I don’t pursue a rating, all the more so as I regularly express a controversial opinion, including on religious issues. I think that my disbelief in God probably offends anyone. And in view of the fuzzy statement of the rule, its one-sidedness, the actual setting of double standards (for the Orthodox and everyone else), the possibility of arbitrary interpretation and the maximum, uncontested punishment, I predict my ban. This will happen soon or not, but the very introduction of such a measure and rule causes a rash. And it surprises me with legal illiteracy, it’s in the case of a ban that I’m a little upset and I’ll go somewhere else, but the real provocateur will easily get you a ban at first, and then legal measures for the site administration.

Why create grounds for abuse and excesses? And to assure me and many others that this measure is exceptional, and rather speculative is not worth it. As one of the most serious enemies of Russia (hence his opinion should be taken into account), nee Baronet Marlborough used to say: "In politics, intentions do not matter, in politics, opportunities matter."

So the purity of the clerics' thoughts does not matter to me, but their "new" capabilities are very puzzling.
Recommendations "not to go" to the branches or news dedicated to the praise of religion "generally smells bad.
And the worst thing that can happen to a site is the real transformation of it into a clerical propaganda platform, when even from moderate anti clerics you make enemies such rules. the end result will be a "cuckoo and rooster" party, much to their satisfaction. There is such a term proselytism.

Patriotism and love for the motherland are not limited to Orthodoxy. \ and the rules of communication can not be preferential in anyone's favor.

Bans begin where and when arguments end.
Success Orthodox.

[experienced]

Quote: Lexagun

probably it's time to just rename the site in the military-Orthodox review

Well, given the constant gay themes on the site, you can go further

[studentmati]

Quote: seasoned

Well, given the constant gay themes on the site, you can continue to go winked

Only one who is related to the topic can cycle on the topic ...

[experienced]

Quote: studentmati

Only one who is related to the topic can cycle on the topic ...

Bugaga, Volodin?

[bask]

Quote: Lexagun

Success Orthodox.

Thanks of course, but why only Orthodox?
But what about Muslims, Buddhists, Jews?

Quote: Lexagun

And the worst that can happen to

You’re not going to burn like a heretic at the stake (and even that Catholics).

[Lexagun]

Well, how why? "anti-Orthodox", and even rabid propaganda is highlighted: quote - ...e) Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda... "So I think, but what about the quote:" Muslims, Buddhists and Jews? "- and they" in general. "References to the special role of Orthodoxy are not legitimate.
For example, what kind of Orthodoxy as true for Russia does it make sense to talk about Old Believers whose tradition is one and a half times longer or modern ?, by the way, the patriarchate (a modern format for organizing the administration of Orthodoxy in Russia) in Russia has a much lesser tradition than other forms of church administration, therefore it is patriarchy less traditional, therefore ... and so on.
So this "and generally anti-religious propaganda ..." smacks of snobbery and a claim to superiority.

Thank you, I was comforted in the sense of not going to burn (what an interesting statement of the question). Although the phrase concerned the likely future site, not mine. And why suddenly refuse such an interesting way? By the way, not only Catholics practiced Autodafe, it’s just not customary for us to discuss how many Old Believers themselves implemented the act, but to whom they helped.

So the worst thing that can happen, thank God (the figure of speech however) is the total worship of the site. Not in the sense that Orthodoxy is bad, but in the sense of orderly ranks into the bright past.

[studentmati]

Quote: Lexagun

..d) Frenzied anti-Orthodox and generally anti-religious propaganda ..

Please do not judge the authors in all severity! Of course, they had in mind religious values, but expressed themselves unweightedly. I believe that a legally-weighted comment will follow on the site?

[bask]

Quote: Lexagun

So the worst thing that can happen, thank God (the figure of speech however) is the total worship of the site. Not in the sense that Orthodoxy is bad, but in the sense of orderly ranks into the bright past.

I am against any prohibitions and restrictions on freedom of speech.
But when discussing topics related to religion, many members of the forum sin (in a secular sense). Mr. Setrac called me "" "an Orthodox fascist" "" and I got a ban for two days. Because he answered.

[Lexagun]

Imagine, I also consider personal insult to be a wrong action, but the point is formulated in such a way that anything can be pulled under the concept of insulting religious feelings

[studentmati]

Quote: Lexagun

Imagine, I also consider personal insult to be a wrong action, but the point is formulated in such a way that anything can be pulled under the concept of insulting religious feelings

The site is developing and is always ready to accept your opinion and your suggestions! Speak, they will listen to you and understand.

But I believe that all the rules of the site must first of all comply with the requirements of the Civil Code, the Criminal Code, and other laws of the Russian Federation.

[studentmati]

Quote: bask

I am against any prohibitions and restrictions on freedom of speech.

"Bazaar" always needs to be filtered ...

[bask]

Quote: studentmati

"Bazaar" always needs to be filtered ...

Naturally, it is necessary. The time is now (stagnation, late journey .... hm).
For an extra word and in the jail you can rattle.
Whatever the site is closed, one must keep up with today's time. All clear.

[studentmati]

Quote: bask

Naturally, it is necessary. The time is now (stagnation, late journey .... hm).
For an extra word and in the jail you can rattle.
Whatever the site is closed, one must keep up with today's time. All clear.

The irony is inappropriate.

[bask]

Quote: studentmati

The irony is inappropriate.

And this is not the irony of studentmati, but the realities of today.
How many people received real terms for political activity.
Khabarov, Kvachkov is well-known to everyone ...

[studentmati]

Quote: bask

And this is not the irony of studentmati, but the realities of today.

The realities of today are still inappropriate to compare with "37". I believe that all the terms you specified are in accordance with the law. Maybe with a stretch, but not with the one that was in "37".

[Apollo]

I would like to share my thoughts on the innovations on the forum, but they are needed and there are all the prerequisites for this.

1. The more the rules cover all aspects of the forum’s life, the better, the forum - different people communicate here, this will remove misunderstandings and misunderstandings. Of course, it’s impossible to cover everything and it’s not necessary, but it’s necessary to introduce basic postulates, which made the forum administration look, absolutely correct.
2. Visitors to the forum will know better not only their rights but also their responsibilities. We all have our own rights, we know it by heart, but unfortunately sometimes we forget about our duties that are assigned to us and which we undertook to observe when registering on the forum.
3. With regard to religion. Religious freedom exists not only in the Constitution (Fundamental Law) of the country, but also here in the forum are reflected in the rules. I believe that this is also correct and archival. It is necessary to respect both the opinion of believers and the rights of those who do not profess any religion .In the innovations, this is precisely what this is all about. This is just a requirement (excerpt from laws), which we must always remember.

[studentmati]

Everything stated by you corresponds to elementary rules of ethics. I support!

[bask]

In principle, everything is true, I also agree with the basic requirements.
I am a guest on the site. And with their charter, they don’t go to someone else’s monastery !!!

[Lexagun]

to Apollon
Freedom of religion does not mean its obligation, and suddenly I do not profess any faith? Is there no freedom of religion?
The current wording is one-sided in view of the fact that it defends (as it can) the rights of believers (mainly Orthodox others - generally ...) to the detriment of unbelievers.

And in order to cope with a troll or a bully spewing verbal diarrhea, no special allocation of special rights of believers is needed. Admins and moderators have enough tools of influence. Once again, I recall the prohibitions needed where argumentation does not work.

Why does this situation bother me? because when I meet with religious (in my opinion, backward, obsolete) propaganda, I exactly the extent to which it is contrasted with her secular opinion, to the extent of my understanding and awareness. And now I don’t understand at what stage my opinion will be considered frenzied (the same legal term for me)

There is a rule of parity and a ban on anti-religious propaganda. It is quite logical to supplement the ban on religious. or does not introduce such prohibitions at all.

Otherwise, I fully support Apollon.

[Apollo]

Quote: Lexagun

Freedom of religion does not mean its obligation, and suddenly I do not profess any faith? Is there no freedom of religion?

Believe or not believe that's right and not everyone’s duty. No one here is forcing one or the other. This is respectno more and no less.

[studentmati]

Quote: Apollon

To believe or not believe this right and not everyone’s duty. No one here forces one or the other. It is about respect, nothing more and nothing less.

The essence of the changes and additions is the appeal of the site participants to tolerance, that is, to patience, endurance and respect!

Expressing your opinion - respect you listening and reading!

[alexandr00070]

Quote: bask

burn at the stake like a heretic (and even that, the Catholics dabbled in this).

wrong history of religion you need to know better, ALL Christian religions dabbled in it .................

[Vitaly Anisimov]

"You will catch Chapaev .. shoot Chapay .." There must be order. otherwise the site will turn into a trash heap .... (I confess it sometimes puts it in ... and yet) I read the informational site (this is the main thing) + - put a comment wrote well, I argued a little (for the debaters, there is a personal) for the moderators it is difficult to keep track of all our comments ... I think so. But at the expense of minusovalschikov hidden it is correct .. I like the informational site .. Well, I think I said everything briefly ..

[studentmati]

Quote: MIKHAN

I like the informational site.

I would like to wish the site more informative! It is in the field of military review. And for political news a "political review" has been created.

[ICT]

By the way, it can return the column (to the main page), with the latest comments from FORUM, as the tog came in, and there is silence

[MG42]

g) It is forbidden to add articles from third-party sites to comments, since this is contrary to the purpose of the commenting function: comments on the site are intended solely for the readers to express their own opinions about published articles. At the same time, reasonable quoting of materials from other sites is allowed within one comment with the obligatory reference to the source.

Item <w> is a very good addition, it was not commented on on this thread, and so >> with these sheets from third-party resources, you can flood any thread not only plagiarizing other people's texts, so while you scroll through these long comments, the mouse <gets tired> , read comments below specific problems then comment on the branch becomes too long ..

You can also add the functionality of the <blacklist> limit 5 can add a maximum of 10 persons to one user. Otherwise, it loses its meaning, the user can add as many members of the forum as he wants, except for the moderators, to his list and thus create his own alternative circle on VO, and others will not appreciate his comments with a plus or minus ..

[vladkavkaz]

MG42
Let me disagree.
Quote from the Encyclopedia, do you find it unnecessary?
For example, let me break the rule, for clarity, here is the material http://maxpark.com/community/2100/content/2177075#comment_28957224
Look, pauls will follow the link. You will see there the impudent, unprincipled lies, well-coordinated bots of that resource, how to deal with them? Just saying that they are idiots? So it's not a FACT, this is a state of mind, but their activity destroys the psyche of people, instilling in them inferiority complex in relation to your country.
Let the branch become longer, it’s not terrible, more important the TRUTH. And where you can’t explain everything in your own words, the quote is appropriate.
Emergency, as a remedy for bots and trolls, is very good, here administrators can immediately calculate the intrusive workers of structures directly working against Russia using the FALSE method.

[MG42]

Quote: vladkavkaz

Let me disagree.
Quote from the Encyclopedia, do you find it unnecessary? ... Let the branch become longer, it’s not terrible, more important the TRUTH.

And if you hang 10 sheets in a row on one branch without links, quietly talking to yourself ..

Quote: vladkavkaz

Emergency, as a remedy for bots and trolls, is very good, here administrators can immediately calculate the intrusive workers of structures directly working against Russia using the FALSE method.

You still do not understand what I wrote, I am not against emergency situations, but about limiting it by the number of >> you can enter in an emergency and 100 users, then carry nonsense without fear of cons ..

[vladkavkaz]

MG42SU
"You still do not understand what I wrote, I am not against emergency situations, but about limiting it by number >> you can enter 100 users in an emergency situation, then carry nonsense without fear of cons .." - YOU are wrong, this the method is used just by all sorts of information bots and trolls, because the old user knows who is who and can always give a reasoned answer to a troll, who has nothing in its arsenal other than information bots.
And if you hang 10 sheets in a row on one branch without links quietly talking to yourself .. laughing - Again, this is one of the tricks of information bots and trolls that deserve a topic that for one reason or another is not acceptable. There are a lot of examples.
It’s good that in VO there is no such influx of clones, trolls and simply senility, unlike the resource that I gave you as an example.
One of the reasons why I left the MP, and this is precisely what the administration’s policy is there, is that the mass of negativity about Russia and its history and the suppression of, so to speak, patriotically targeted users are maximally ensured.
Remember how Goebbels broadcast on the account of the number of LIES? Just that case

[MG42]

Quote: vladkavkaz

YOU are wrong, this method is used just by all sorts of information bots and trolls — reckoning for a fresh one, because the old user knows who is who and can always give an argumentative answer to the troll, which has nothing in addition to informutory.

In my opinion, I clearly explained that you will not give an answer to the troll if the troll brings you to the emergency , however, judging by your profile, you have registered for 4 days >> then you will understand what's what ..

[dred]

Finally, the rules of the site have become more regulated. By the way, about the downgrade, I liked the rating. Success in the future site and administration!

[washi]

insult that the person, that his faith - I agree, but not its representatives on earth. The publication of other people's articles - I agree. Comments, if at the expense of other people's brains - I agree.
As for the name of nationalities, I did not understand. I ask for a list of allowed names, taking into account self-names and European toletarism

[Bort radist]

in principle, everything is logical, but this point
h) A targeted methodical downgrade of the opponent’s rating is prohibited on the site, i.e. multiple minus comments of one user. Such actions are easily traceable by site administrators. Intruder rating will be lowered by 50%.
If the opponent methodically, but under different sauce oppresses his line, then probably he should be punished? Moreover, the other day, it might seem that one of the smartest members of the forum regularly losing rating for anti Russian subtext, in my opinion, clearly provoked and led under a new article (multiple minus one user’s comments). But for tricky tactics, you can always pick a nut

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bort Radist

If the opponent methodically, but under different sauce oppresses his line, then probably he should be punished?

Because he has a "wrong" point of view in your opinion?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Spade

Because he has a "wrong" point of view in your opinion?

Everyone has the right to have an opinion on an equal footing. It "drips" on the minds, and water, as you know, wears away the stone. I bet for half - my disagreement, and I am circumcised with a sickle. Previously, he was afraid to gain a rating of two skulls, but now? A knight without fear or reproach. I'm talking about smart and calculating.

[Pamir210]

Under what conditions can the site administration ban a person immediately without warning?
taking into account the fact that he does not violate the specified site rules.

[hhhhhhh]

And does discrimination on material status get resolved?

[Tambov we ...]

The site is turning, the site is turning ... into a one-sided, truncated version for understanding the great American underdeveloped and uneducated faculty eaters with a claim to the rulers of the whole world. Wait! What now???.

[EdwardTich68]

In general, I don’t understand why all these pros and cons are, the rating is some, my own opinion is enough.

[negeroi]

It touches me like a bunch of adults, sometimes hard-won, and harsh men ..... play horseradish likes, and put and give marks. And most importantly they become like those nymphets, tremulous, waiting for the ratings of their opuses and statements. Tyrnet specialists offered a game, and now a bunch of adult respected men are banging around the field in bags. And they are very ambitious and cursing. The kindergarten grew stronger

[kontrol]

I have a question for the moderators, but what kind of interesting flag do I have?

[Fobos-grunt]

Quote: Old very

, so there the forum frankly agreed: And let's ban this ... Well, like a football contract match.

I was amused by the Ren-TV Forum in the topic “Do I need to legalize small arms or early?” statistics of 75% of visitors for the legalization of the short barrel. At the same time, the moderator and his loyal trolls openly mocked those who were FOR and tried to discuss the characteristics of self-defense means. Today they have closed access to many interesting sites on history and it will be a pity to lose the VO forum due to someone’s showdowns

[moskal68]

Comrades, how can I register on the forum? They write that registration is suspended. How to be

[SEM]

EVERYWHERE HAS ITS OWN LAWS !!! THIS IS DEFINITIVE !!! and dissatisfied simply can solve this problem for themselves, leave this site and leave it will be the most competent solution. And a saying about it also says that - They don’t go to someone’s monastery with their charter ...

[AIR ZNAK]

Actually the ratings will or will not be, the tenth thing. And the site is needed at least for several reasons 1-let off steam. 2-fruitfully argue. 3 Read smart comments and sometimes come across sensible links to other interesting resources. 4 at the same time, and a big brother wraps something on his mustache, he is forced to poke his long nose by the nature of work. But to delete, to put it mildly, ** wonderful ** comments are off topic and with obscene things as needed, he doesn’t paint anyone.

[alexandr00070]

Quote: AIR-ZNAK

. 2-fruitfully argue.

late, they argued earlier, they argued so, but now it’s not going to be too much .. lowering

[shoemaker]

I agree with all the conditions of the editor. But I wanted to ask me to make an editor a black shoulder strap with the inscription CA or BF, and without raising the rating, I’ll manage - it’s not for Senka’s hat.

[majorserg1978]

I’m a new person here, I don’t climb with my charter. But will it be impossible for (sorry for some premature) from our community such a formalized American society? Where the word "nigger" is prohibited because it is a racist criteria. For example, I studied (like the hero of Bodrov in "Brother") in a Soviet school and there they said that blacks live in Africa. Now I know that this is not true (blacks live in Paris. It seems that everyone). But some may still count as taught in school.
The form of expression of opinion, of course, is important, But no more important than the content. And with a strict restriction of form, part of the content is necessarily cut off. It’s like translating from one language to another. Absolutely accurately express your opinion a person can only in his native language. But the native language does not always sound good sounding for someone else's ear.
What is more important for us - to understand each other or speak out about the topic with smooth phrases without offending anyone?
But patriotism is generally a very vulnerable topic.
And discussing topics related to patriotism without emotion is like drinking without water. Can not be.
And short monosyllabic statements carry an emotional charge and either support or crush. And this is also part of the discussion. Notice. Even in the legislative assemblies, such words and calls are heard - and in such a way that the TopWar forum looks like an institution of blessed damsels. And sometimes it even seems that the purpose of those present is to boast to each other.
You can overstep in any matter. In no case do they claim that this applies to our forum.