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Special training: US Marines against Givati ​​Special Forces

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Last week, Givati ​​Special Forces conducted joint exercises with United States marines to study various methods of waging city war, to teach the IDF approach in waging city war, and to learn about marines' experience in urban development in Afghanistan and Iraq.



The exercises were held for three days at the Israeli Special National Training Center for the conduct of hostilities in urban areas. The purpose of the exercises for each unit was the exchange of experience in conducting combat operations in urban environments. “Here you understand why one technique is suitable for Afghanistan and why it differs from what we are trained to do in Gaza,” said special forces commander Givati ​​Major Nadav Danino (Nadav Danino). “In the marines, each unit specializes in a particular area — alone in the fight against terrorism, another in Afghanistan, a third in more rural areas, and finally such specializing in more urban areas. We train in all these areas in special forces,” he said.

“During the exercises, we acted as the defending side, and they played the role of the offensive. Then we changed places. When training as the other side, you will recognize your weak points and learn to change and improve your technique,” ​​said Major Danino.



At the end of each day, Major Danino and his colleagues from the Marine Corps compared tactics as well as different approaches to dealing with difficult situations, such as the release of hostages or the seizure of particularly important objects. “As the commander of these forces, I was very interested in understanding what they are doing and why they are doing it in this way,” he added.

“The meeting between the soldiers raised questions from both sides - about the equipment, the shoes that soldiers wear and even questions, like what kind of rifle they use. The dynamics are different - both at the level of discipline and at the level of relations between soldiers,” said Major Danino .



“We expected the Marines to set the bar high for IDF combat soldiers, but last week Givati ​​Special Forces showed the Marines that they also have something to learn from us.”

The Marines' vision places the training of the individual soldier at the center of the process. The Marine is expected to be able to perform a number of actions perfectly. In the IDF, on the contrary, they emphasize the effectiveness of the team, in which each soldier uses his strengths to compensate for the weaknesses of his friends and vice versa.



Israeli and American intelligence reports last year showed that terrorist organizations around the world share experiences with each other through social platforms. These timely joint exercises will help the IDF and US Marines better cope with these potential problems.
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  1. il grand casino
    il grand casino 28 August 2013 10: 11
    +5
    Thanks for the article Prof. All the same, the Israelites have a cool helmet)))) Why do I know such people, you can not explain hi
    1. Professor
      28 August 2013 10: 48
      13
      The cape on the helmet is designed to break the correct geometry (in this case, a hemisphere) that does not exist in nature and is immediately evident.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 28 August 2013 13: 00
        0
        Prof, but an interesting point. In the IDF the form is always olive, camouflage is not held in high esteem? If so, why? I always wanted to find out.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 13: 10
          +2
          There are many reasons.

          1. In Israel, the terrain often changes. That is, olive works quite well in the desert, and in the forest, and in the mountains. But more specialized camouflage - not always.
          2. Solid olive camouflage very successfully blurred in the area
          3. The Arab armies predominantly camouflage.
          4. Cheaper

          However, this does not mean that Tsahal himself did not look for anything newer.

          Camouflage was in 60 = x at the landing, for example.


          Not so long ago, samples of the new form were tested.




          And something in the amount of several hundred pieces was ordered for special forces of various



          1. Mairos
            Mairos 28 August 2013 13: 27
            +7
            Thanks. I read the answer with interest. Just in the photo and video, the olive is constantly found - so he asked. Strictly speaking, after a day of active operations in a mountainous desert area, our khaki uniform (though already burnt out in the sun) also itself became "camouflaged" from dirt, dust and salt streaks from sweat. ))
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 28 August 2013 14: 05
              +3
              Quote: Mairos
              It’s just that in the photo and video the olive is constantly found - I asked.

              In 2006, they tried to once again introduce camouflage, they gave us all for an experiment, but somehow he did not enjoy popularity, and after a couple of days everyone returned to olive again, even though we were in the desert at that time. Plus calculated and it turned out very expensive
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 31 October 2013 06: 44
              0
              From personal experience - the material of the form easily clings to dust, 5 min crawls in the desert and it is already the color of sand. laughing
          2. ruslan207
            ruslan207 28 August 2013 15: 53
            +1
            If this was so, then the Americans did not wear camouflage in the American form, the pores in it are not as hot as in Israel, but they are already developing a chameleon camouflage
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 55
              +1
              Until recently, the Americans had several types of camouflage, for different terrain.
        2. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 28 August 2013 13: 13
          +3
          Prof, but an interesting point. In the IDF the form is always olive, camouflage is not held in high esteem? If so, why? I always wanted to find out.

          Khaki is an everyday form. Camouflage is also there when necessary.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 August 2013 13: 18
            +3
            He was introduced in only special forces. There is also a special mesh double-sided jumpsuit that goes on top of the form.
          2. Professor
            28 August 2013 13: 36
            +7
            I met camouflage broniki not infrequently. More interestingly, the field uniform is the same for everyone from ordinary to chief of staff.
      2. Witold
        Witold 28 August 2013 22: 18
        +3
        Professor, sorry that is not the topic. Isn't it time to write an article about 8200?
        1. Professor
          29 August 2013 09: 40
          -1
          Quote: Vitold
          Professor, sorry that is not the topic. Isn't it time to write an article about 8200?

          I do not want hi
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 11: 37
      +1
      Helmets are ordinary, capes on them are funny 8))
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 28 August 2013 13: 50
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Helmets are ordinary, capes on them are funny 8))

        Yes, I had that in mind))) By the way, are they factory ones, or do the soldiers themselves sew? Somewhere I met Old, which seems to be sewn themselves. Correct if not right
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 14: 03
          +2
          The teachings of these jackals are most likely to coincide with the alleged ground operation in Syria or joint special operations during NATO missile attacks. Get it anyway - die. Dogs canine death.
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 07
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            The teachings of these jackals are most likely to coincide with the alleged ground operation in Syria or joint special operations during NATO missile attacks. Get it anyway - die. Dogs canine death.


            Yeah, and squirrels squirrel death ... and dolphins dolphins)))
            By the way, dogs and jackals are biologically sufficient in distant kinship ... Would you even compare with wolves ..)))
            P.S. Dogs need to be respected and loved, like our other smaller brothers ... What Exupery said about this, remember everything, not small ones.
            1. ruslan207
              ruslan207 28 August 2013 15: 54
              -1
              one subspecies canidae, by the way the jackal is also quickly tamed
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 August 2013 14: 11
            -1
            These teachings are held on a regular basis. If you at least understood something in the regional confrontation, you would not have carried such nonsense.
          3. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 14: 11
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            The teachings of these jackals are most likely to coincide with the alleged ground operation in Syria or joint special operations during NATO missile attacks. Get it anyway - die. Dogs canine death.

            Look how many admired Israeli and American special forces gathered - even praises sing to these jackals to the killers. And how many innocent blood on the hands of these scumbags apparently interests no one, well, yes, they have such a job.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 August 2013 14: 16
              -4
              Quote: Ruslan_F38

              Look how many admired Israeli and American special forces gathered - even praises sing to these jackals to the killers. And how many innocent blood on the hands of these scumbags apparently interests no one, well, yes, they have such a job.

              Are you tired of hysteria?
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 14: 34
                +4
                Quote: Pimply
                Quote: Ruslan_F38

                Look how many admired Israeli and American special forces gathered - even praises sing to these jackals to the killers. And how many innocent blood on the hands of these scumbags apparently interests no one, well, yes, they have such a job.

                Are you tired of hysteria?


                Well, where am I going to hysteria? I call a spade a spade, albeit on the verge of a foul, but I express my opinion, which of course is not like characters with Israeli flags and their support. And what do you think that you will sing praises here for your and American specialists just like that? Only a blind man will not connect these trainings with the upcoming NATO operation and Israel, and it is Israel, and you know this no worse than me. You also know that militants are trained by Israeli instructors, specialists, you know that special forces of the United States, Turkey and Israel have long been working in Syria. So let's not build peaceful lambs here and shout about the peace mission described in the article.
                1. il grand casino
                  il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38

                  Look how many admired Israeli and American special forces gathered - even praises sing to these jackals to the killers. And how many innocent blood on the hands of these scumbags apparently interests no one, well, yes, they have such a job.

                  Are you tired of hysteria?


                  Well, where am I going to hysteria? I call a spade a spade, albeit on the verge of a foul, but I express my opinion, which of course is not like characters with Israeli flags and their support. And what do you think that you will sing praises here for your and American specialists just like that? Only a blind man will not connect these trainings with the upcoming NATO operation and Israel, and it is Israel, and you know this no worse than me. You also know that militants are trained by Israeli instructors, specialists, you know that special forces of the United States, Turkey and Israel have long been working in Syria. So let's not build peaceful lambs here and shout about the peace mission described in the article.

                  It’s interesting ... we have here the whole gene of the IDF headquarters is sitting ... they all know about everyone ... and you have information as the head of the GRU laughing
                  1. Ruslan_F38
                    Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 14: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: il grand casino
                    That's interesting ... we have here the whole gene of the IDF headquarters is sitting ... they all know everything about everyone ... and you have information as the head of the GRU laughing


                    Are these all your arguments? Apparently in the form of jokes. Only we are not in the circus, and you are not a clown or ..? In addition to idle chatter, unsuccessful jokes and earning pluses, I recommend stocking up information for the argument besides emoticons. And it’s better to change your flag to Israeli, then all questions will disappear, there are enough clowns.
                    1. il grand casino
                      il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 54
                      +5
                      Well, before the flag of Israel I still need to change the religion first and some other specific operation to do ... but you know this is not very likely nice))) And the Israelis were not very happy when I went there when I said that I German)))) So my flag suits me ... although it’s not a long time to change it - proxy)))
                      1. Ruslan_F38
                        Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 15: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: il grand casino
                        Well, before the flag of Israel I still need to change the religion first and some other specific operation to do ... but you know this is not very likely nice))) And the Israelis were not very happy when I went there when I said that I German)))) So my flag suits me ... although it’s not a long time to change it - proxy)))


                        Ahh, what’s the matter, then sorry, I didn’t make out for jokes ...
                      2. old man54
                        old man54 28 August 2013 20: 57
                        0
                        Quote: il grand casino
                        Yes, and something the Israelis were not very happy with when I went there when I said that I was German)))) So my flag suits me ... although it does not take long to change it - proxy)))

                        no, now it’s clearly understood by your opus that you are not a German, but a Jew, at least in the Soul! negative
                      3. il grand casino
                        il grand casino 29 August 2013 14: 22
                        0
                        No, I’m Russian in my soul ... it’s just not clear to everyone that to be a German automatically means to be a Nazi ... but now there are enough Russian freaks who are pleased to throw a ridge right and left
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 10
                +4
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                Well, where am I going to hysteria? I call a spade a spade, albeit on the verge of a foul, but I express my opinion, which of course is not like characters with Israeli flags and their support. And what do you think that you will sing praises here for your and American specialists just like that? Only a blind man will not connect these trainings with the upcoming NATO operation and Israel, and it is Israel, and you know this no worse than me.

                You do not say things on the verge of a foul, you are broadcasting stupid things with a smart look. And if they hadn’t been hysterical, we would know that these exercises with the Marines are a regular topic, and there are plenty of shootings from the previous ones.

                And they would also know (well, if they knew the region a little bit) that participation in the Israeli operation would automatically exclude Turkey and Arab countries from it. But you hate Israel and the States so much that facts mean nothing to you. Like knowledge. The main thing is to scream.
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 15: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: Pimply
                  You do not say things on the verge of a foul, you are broadcasting stupid things with a smart look. And if they hadn’t been hysterical, we would know that these exercises with the Marines are a regular topic, and there are plenty of shootings from the previous ones.

                  And they would also know (well, if they knew the region a little bit) that participation in the Israeli operation would automatically exclude Turkey and Arab countries from it. But you hate Israel and the States so much that facts mean nothing to you. Like knowledge. The main thing is to scream.

                  As I understand it, it’s not stupid things that are broadcasting with us only, judging by your previous comments? Very confident, don’t you? The regularity of the exercises does not indicate their orientation and scenario - or do you take Baghdad over and over again using the same scenario? Do not be silly. I know the region and not worse than yours, I have enough knowledge and facts that I have repeatedly proved, I am a whisperer, unlike you (you always complain with us, first provoke your interlocutor, and then complain to administrators), but not here - so don’t curse yourself and be smart.
                  As for your opinion, it is not a network of "opinion of the last resort" as you always try to present it.
                  Regarding the exclusion of Israel, officially yes - but not special operations, missile attacks, air raids, deliveries of weapons to militants, use of infrastructure, etc.
                  I hate Israel and the USA? Well, I do not need to be recorded in the camp of their ill-wishers or well-wishers, what are you trying to do? Contrast me with other site members?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 49
                    -2
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    I know the region and not worse than yours, I have enough knowledge and facts that I have repeatedly proved, I am a whisperer, unlike you (you always complain with us, first provoke your interlocutor, and then complain to administrators), but not here - so don’t curse yourself and be smart.

                    What did they prove? Glaring ignorance and ignorance of reality?

                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    arms supplies to militants

                    Yes, Israel will definitely supply arms to Sunni militants, for which it is one of the main goals.
                    1. Ruslan_F38
                      Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 16: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      What did they prove? Glaring ignorance and ignorance of reality?


                      And is that your argument? Weak, however, as always.
                      Yes, Israel will definitely supply arms to Sunni militants, for which it is one of the main goals.


                      It may not be open, but secretly it is already supplying instructors who train these most hated militants - all the central channels have repeatedly talked about Israeli weapons, special forces and instructors, and you are all ignorant of us. Maybe missile and air strikes on Syrian targets are the same fiction? Apparently until the moment when Israel does not officially confirm.
                      Enjoy: Israel, at the request of the United States, supplied modern weapons to Syrian militants. The armament, which was produced directly in Israel, was delivered in two consignments on military transport aircraft of the Jewish state air force to Turkey. After he was transferred to special warehouses on the Syrian border, from where weapons are already distributed among the militants, ITAR-TASS.
                      According to the Damas Post Internet portal, the cargo from Israel includes anti-tank missiles, medium-range missiles, small arms and high-precision sniper rifles. The delivery mechanism was determined by the American special services in direct cooperation with the leadership of Turkish intelligence.

                      PS This is because you do not cooperate with Turkey, just as apparently you will not sit together on the same field to "relieve themselves". More information for you? I'll throw it in now. Don't be nervous.
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 August 2013 16: 20
                      -6
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      And is that your argument? Weak, however, as always.

                      Than a little weak. That truth?
                    3. Ruslan_F38
                      Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 16: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      And is that your argument? Weak, however, as always.

                      Than a little weak. That truth?


                      "Truthful" was put in quotation marks because it sounds funny from your lips. The truth and you are incompatible things.
                    4. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 August 2013 17: 17
                      -1
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      "Truthful" was put in quotation marks because it sounds funny from your lips. The truth and you are incompatible things.

                      Toucher! I am amazed at the very heart! Oh! He killed me with his all-enchanting word.
                    5. Rider
                      Rider 28 August 2013 21: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Toucher! I am amazed at the very heart!


                      Well, about the heart is unsure, but about the carcass - to the point.

                      your newspapers report partial mobilization and pulling of your troops to the Syrian border.
                    6. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 August 2013 22: 15
                      0
                      Less than a thousand people from the air defense and rear services would be if you really read the newspapers, not the headlines.

                      According to Israeli media, the security cabinet approved the appeal of reservists serving in the air defense, air force, rear services and intelligence units.

                      A representative of the IDF in an interview with the Mako website said that at the moment it is about the mobilization of several hundred reservists. The army has not announced heightened readiness, and most military bases have not canceled weekend vacations.
          4. The Indian Joe
            The Indian Joe 31 August 2013 12: 50
            +1
            Israel is not afraid of illiterate Sunni militants, but Syrian technology. It will be easier for him to cope with crowds of bandits than with machines driven by experienced and trained people.
            So the logic is that Israel helps the enemies of Assad, there is - he supports less evil for him.
          5. Professor
            31 August 2013 14: 37
            -1
            Quote: Injun Joe
            So the logic is that Israel helps the enemies of Assad, there is - he supports less evil for him.

            You're lying. Evidence in the studio. Israel does not support anyone in the Syrian civil war.
          6. The Indian Joe
            The Indian Joe 2 September 2013 10: 09
            -2
            1. Israeli troops opened fire on Syrian troops chasing the terrorists - but they did not open fire on the terrorists themselves. Classical actions to cover the retreat of personnel, fuck ...
            2. Israel treated the wounded terrorists. In fairness, it should be noted that he also assisted the Syrian soldiers a couple of times (although this, as I believe, propaganda, could not let me read the news about it, otherwise I could not find it myself?), But the fact remains - Israel HELPED the bandits he will be cured, and instead of passing them to Syria, LET them go - and they are back in service and kill. This despite the fact that the SAR is not fighting against Israel, and terrorists from al-Qaeda and its allied organizations consider the destruction of Israel a holy goal.
            Well, gangsters will not consider all sorts of little things like Israeli weapons - they are too widespread in the region, something is also on sale ... But there is a fact - such weapons are not in the arsenal of the Syrian army, only bandits have them. In any case, even without discussing the involvement of Israel, this fact makes us think.
            So, slanderer, do not rush to blame anyone for lying - you risk sitting in a puddle, as it is now, because treating your wounded bandits is definitely a fact of support for one of the belligerents.

            And by the way, as you comment on this quote from one of the users a couple of posts above:

            Enjoy: Israel, at the request of the United States, supplied modern weapons to Syrian militants. The armament, which was produced directly in Israel, was delivered in two consignments on military transport aircraft of the Jewish state air force to Turkey. After he was transferred to special warehouses on the Syrian border, from where weapons are already distributed among the militants, ITAR-TASS.
            According to the Damas Post Internet portal, the cargo from Israel includes anti-tank missiles, medium-range missiles, small arms and high-precision sniper rifles. The delivery mechanism was determined by the American special services in direct cooperation with the hands under the leadership of Turkish intelligence.
            -?
          7. Professor
            2 September 2013 14: 46
            +1
            Quote: Injun Joe
            Israeli troops fired on Syrian troops chasing terrorists

            Lying. Israel always responded only with retaliatory fire to the fire from Syria. A corresponding complaint has always been transmitted to UN observers; Tsakhal has never covered terrorists and rebels.

            Israel treated injured terrorists.

            Again you're lying. Israel provides humanitarian assistance to civilians affected by the war in Syria and received through UN observers. None of those who received medical care was not only found guilty of terrorist activity by the court, but was not even put on the international wanted list.

            Quote: Injun Joe
            Well, all the little things like Israeli weapons from the bandits will not be considered

            Why, material evidence in the studio and make fun of Abir, and Lau Israeli production.

            Quote: Injun Joe
            And by the way, as you comment on this quote from one of the users a couple of posts above:

            I do not comment on fantasies; imagine material evidence and discuss them.
          8. The Indian Joe
            The Indian Joe 3 September 2013 00: 18
            +1
            Israel always responded only with return fire to the fire from Syria
            - yeah, the Syrian patrols were chasing the bandits and thought - "Let's take the Golan back together, how many of these border guards are there!" - and began to shoot at them, do not care that they are in the minority and worse armed. You generally think a little over the logic of what you write. You could say that the militants were shooting to arrange a provocation - and that would have looked smarter.

            Israel provides humanitarian assistance to civilians affected by the Syrian war
            - that is, he helped the terrorists.

            Not one of those who received medical care was found guilty by a court
            - yeah, despite the characteristic bruise on the right shoulder, they are "innocent" - a presumption of innocence, of course. Tell me, do you judge those Palestinians who shoot Qassams in your cities, or do you still kill them without trial, immediately upon detection - and often without waiting for the launch of the rocket? Or does your court deliver a verdict in a few seconds?

            Professor, Israel is in the position of a man who harbors a criminal who has just committed a serious crime from justice. Of course, he was not judged - you prevented to do justice. Of course, no one will put the terrorist on the international wanted list - you hid him, the Syrians did not even have time to ask his name, so - stop trolling. Israel screwed up with the concealment of criminals, and when it comes to Israel, you immediately begin to surpass the oak in the fortress - but alas, only in the field of intelligence.

            Lau Israeli production
            can not be. But Israeli weapons are often found in the SSA, but I will not look for photos - a fact
            1. well-known.
            2. Minor, the dispute is not about that.
            3. One of the varieties of trolling - "And where is the photo (weapons, scan of the UN convention on mercenaries, weapons of Israeli production, etc.).
          9. Professor
            3 September 2013 08: 20
            +1
            yeah, the Syrian patrols chased the bandits and thought

            these are your fantasies. all the shootings were documented by UN observers

            Quote: Injun Joe
            - that is, he helped the terrorists.

            again your fantasies, where is the evidence that they were terrorists? Your children are also terrorists, I understand. fool

            Quote: Injun Joe
            despite the characteristic bruise on the right shoulder

            dock to the studio. bruise photo

            Tell me, those Palestinians

            Trolling

            Quote: Injun Joe
            Israel screwed up with the concealment of criminals, and when it comes to Israel, you immediately begin to surpass the oak in the fortress - but alas, only in the field of intelligence.

            Evidence in the studio. You don’t even know their names, gender and age, not to mention the corpus delicti. You are just lying.

            Quote: Injun Joe
            But Israeli weapons are often found in the SSA, but I will not look for photos - a fact
            1. well-known.
            2. Minor, the dispute is not about that.
            3. One of the varieties of trolling - "And where is the photo (weapons, scan of the UN convention on mercenaries, weapons of Israeli production, etc.)


            Your next fantasies are not supported by any material evidence. "Israeli SSA weapons are common"that you did not find a single photograph of him. I do not intend to discuss your fabrications.


            PS
            how is it with volumetric detonating bombs on the SU-24? Did you make out? laughing
  • South
    South 28 August 2013 15: 50
    -8
    yes you just have verbal diarrhea
    what then to say about the red army, famous for its atrocities against its people? even chemical weapons were used
    1. smile
      smile 28 August 2013 20: 22
      +6
      South
      As I understand it, you were terribly delighted with the inappropriate behavior of Ruslan_F38 in order to use your verbal diarrhea in Russia? And it was not the Red Army that became famous for its atrocities, but the armies of the European colonial countries, including in the 20th century. Some of the lights of democracy are still unable to break the habit. Please tell me, do you slander us out of wit or intentionally? :)))
  • ruslan207
    ruslan207 28 August 2013 15: 58
    +6
    Pimpy your comments, too, not everyone likes, let's respect visitors What amers did in Iraq by shooting Iraqi children as a safari is a fact. And you live in Russia and not in Israel, so the mentality is different
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 16: 06
      -2
      Quote: ruslan207
      speckled your comments, too, not everyone likes let's respect visitors What amers did in Iraq shooting as Iraqi children’s safari is a fact. And you live in Russia and not in Israel so the mentality is different

      I lived in Israel for 15 years. People who diligently carry nonsense, and for whom hatred takes the place of knowledge and logic, I do not like, excuse me.

      What does the amers in Iraq have to do with it? I don’t know. The Syrians on both sides are now organizing a cute massacre much more than the one that amers arranged.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 16: 26
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        I lived in Israel for 15 years. People who diligently carry nonsense, and for whom hatred takes the place of knowledge and logic, I do not like, excuse me.


        This is an overestimated conceit and overestimation of their intellectual capabilities, as well as elementary pride. Labeling an opponent because of an inability to argue their position is an ordinary weakness and lack of self-control.

        The Syrians on both sides are now organizing a cute massacre much more than the one that amers arranged.

        This is really nonsense.

        And I lived in Israel for a long time, and what of this?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 16: 27
          -3
          Quote: Ruslan_F38

          This is really nonsense.

          And I lived in Israel for a long time, and what of this?

          And while so poorly versed in local realities?
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 16: 36
            +5
            Quote: Pimply
            And while so poorly versed in local realities?


            Well, this is, again, according to your "weak" understanding, this is your personal opinion, and as I said - your opinion is not the ultimate truth.
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 28 August 2013 16: 39
        +6
        Syrians say, how many mercenaries from al-Qaeda are there and who trains the Syrians?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 17: 18
          -2
          Quote: ruslan207
          al-Qaeda mercenaries

          Decently. As in any civil war. From Assad’s side, more than one thousand Hizbullah’s fighters are fighting, for example, and the IRGC guys - which, in principle, is not hidden at all.
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 28 August 2013 23: 43
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    Are you tired of hysteria?

    Be sure to stop ... when the artificial entity called Israel ceases to exist. Last but not least, it will be more accurate to say first of all thanks to the votes of the USSR and the personal position of Stalin (5 votes -USSR, BSSR, RSFSR, + Poland and Czechoslovakia).
    At that time it made sense, but now - "... I gave birth to you and I will kill you" soldier
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2013 00: 36
      -3
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Last but not least, it will be more accurate to say first of all thanks to the votes of the USSR and the personal position of Stalin (5 votes -USSR, BSSR, RSFSR, + Poland and Czechoslovakia).


      Not voting at the UN decides what is the state, child.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 29 August 2013 09: 08
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Not voting at the UN decides what is the state, child.

        Naturally, but if at that time Stalin’s political will were directed against the creation of a Jewish state, and given the influence and power of the USSR at that time, Israel would not exist and this is an undeniable fact, and only unwise people deny the facts. Do not forget that Jews from the USSR are the largest ethnic group in Israel - about 20%, while it is also the most highly intellectual group and this is also a fait accompli. I do not have the opportunity and I see no reason to actively discuss this topic in the framework of the forum with chauvinists like you, who deny the most basic facts of their own history.
        1. Professor
          29 August 2013 09: 47
          -1
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Do not forget that Jews from the USSR are the largest ethnic group in Israel - about 20%, while it is also the most highly intellectual group and this is also a fait accompli.

          They only appeared in Israel in the 1990s when the USSR finally allowed its citizens to choose where to live, and then completely sunk into oblivion. Prior to this, Stalin and other leaders impeded the departure of Jews to Israel. So they see supported Israel.
    2. Professor
      29 August 2013 09: 44
      0
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Be sure to stop ... when the artificial entity called Israel ceases to exist. Last but not least, it will be more accurate to say first of all thanks to the votes of the USSR and the personal position of Stalin (5 votes -USSR, BSSR, RSFSR, + Poland and Czechoslovakia).

      How do these arguments smile at me. Well, let’s say the USSR would vote against (it’s ridiculous that the USSR would vote for the British Empire to remain in the BV) and then the British would not withdraw their troops, but still hold them and the state of Israel has not self-proclaimed? Or would the British leave and take their place ... Martians? The UN formally confirmed the fait accompli - the state of Israel.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 29 August 2013 23: 21
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        They only appeared in Israel in the 1990s

        It is hard to disagree that most of the mentioned 20% appeared in the 90s (the teacher from my graduating department did this in 1993, like some other university staff a year earlier or later), but still some of them arrived immediately after 1948, and about the ban on leaving something, I don’t remember this. Then, in general, the Union was difficult to leave, and not only the Jews. So the conditions were generally the same for everyone, otherwise it could not be and no one came up with special rules for the Jews. It is not only a matter of votes in the UN, I dare to recall that it was the USSR that provided serious military support (arms supply through Czechoslovakia) during the formation of the Jewish state. Without this support, in this, perhaps the most difficult, period of Israel’s existence in modern times, it would hardly have survived.

        Quote: Professor
        Well, let’s say the USSR would vote against (it’s ridiculous that the USSR would vote for the British Empire to remain in the BV)

        Of course, it is "a no brainer" that this was done not for the Jews (I have no illusions about this). The fact that this was done for the sake of ousting Great Britain from the Middle East is clear to all sane, but it was done !!!
        Dear professor, it is not necessary to think that all Jews are equally smart, and all Russians are equally naive.
        1. Professor
          30 August 2013 12: 34
          -1
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          but still, some of them arrived immediately after 1948.

          It's about units. Stalin never let anyone out of the country where a man is so happy.

          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          but about the ban on leaving something, I don’t remember this.

          Let me remind you. For the desire to leave the USSR, Julius Edelstein, now a minister, and Natan Sharansky, former deputy head of government, now head of the Jewish Agency, were in prison. And thousands and thousands more were persecuted for one desire to leave the country of developed socialism. Remember the famous Jackson-Vanik amendment about which Putin complained so much? Even when Nixon put pressure on Brezhnev (millions of marches in support of Jews around the world), Brezhnev demanded that for everyone who leaves (naturally without money and with one suitcase) money for "free education" should be paid. Joint paid regularly for every Jew with a college education. Read about refuseniks.

          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Without this support, in this, perhaps the most difficult, period of Israel’s existence in modern times, it would hardly have survived.

          Thanks for the weapon, but look how much it was. So I would survive.

          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Dear professor, it is not necessary to think that all Jews are equally smart, and all Russians are equally naive.

          You will not find a single comment or article of mine where I would speak disrespectfully about Russia and the Russian people. The same cannot be said about my "opponents".
          1. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 31 August 2013 00: 44
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            money was paid for "free education

            Do you think this is not fair? The state spends money on the education of its citizens not so that they work for potential geopolitical competitors (unfortunately after 1991 it happened that way), and the money is considerable. Not everyone who has received an education is really a specialist (according to my training experience, I will say that no more than 10% of graduates are specialists, of course, in different years, in different universities, in different specialties, the numbers differ, but I speak specifically for my stream). The state spends money to get a few carats of rare intellectual diamonds (real specialists) out of hundreds of tons of low-grade ore (students). And oddly enough, you know, as a rule the most gifted (cut diamonds) leave, fools are not needed anywhere (about emigration in general). Therefore, I consider such a decision (to pay for education for those who leave) an unprofitable commercial deal - the traveler must pay not only for his education, but also for the education of students who later became "empty ore" going to the dumps of the intellectual pyramid.
            By the way, an interesting case from life (really, not a joke):
            At work, I witnessed a conversation beginning. department (ethnic Jew) with his son (a rare lazy person), who had practical training at our place:
            - "you must study well and get a decent education"
            - "what for?"
            - "because you are a Jew"
            Quote: Professor
            Thanks for the weapon, but look how much it was. So I would survive.

            This is a controversial statement. In the Second World War, a lend-lease ally, in total, for all types of equipment, delivered about 7% of its own production (USSR). Of course, for some species it reached 50%, but in general the figure is approximately that. So they still poke us that without our support you would not have survived. I will answer with your words "we would survive", let them celebrate VICTORY not on May 9, but on November 9; let not 1945, but 1946, but they would still celebrate. Anticipating your possible answer about my double approach on this issue, I will answer - the Union won the war not only thanks to its people, the Union won the war economically. It was just stupid that we had time to produce more equipment than the Germans had time to destroy. The newly-minted Israel had no economy and no production, and therefore every unit of anything was important. Plus the factor that they say - "the spoon is way to dinner", and that "spoon" was very much for dinner.

            Quote: Professor
            You will not find a single comment or article of mine where I would speak disrespectfully about Russia and the Russian people. The same cannot be said about my "opponents".

            I can also say about my comments, there is criticism, but no more. In spite of everything, it is impossible not to respect the people that have survived, developed and achieved undoubted success in many areas, despite everything, for more than half a century, but they also cannot love. Unfortunately, today the Jews (Israel) are on the opposite side of the barricades from us and it is a fact, they are doing what Nazi Germany is accused of - Nazism, genocide. The funny thing is that the main anti-Semites on the planet are the Jews themselves, because most of the Arab peoples belong to the Semitic race and are close "relatives" of the Jews (a generally recognized fact based on genetic tests).
          2. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 31 August 2013 00: 56
            0
            By the way, I almost forgot about disrespect for Russia and the Russian people - although I wrote to you as part of the discussion, in fact it is addressed to all users of the David Star forum, unfortunately not all of your compatriots express themselves as correctly as you do.
          3. Professor
            31 August 2013 08: 45
            +1
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            Do you think this is not fair? The state spends money on the education of its citizens not so that they work for potential geopolitical competitors (unfortunately after 1991 it turned out that way), and a lot of money.

            Of course. My grandfathers who worked for workdays on collective farms paid for my education and my father wandered around distant garrisons for 20 years.
            Do you know how many foreign students receive free education at the most prestigious universities in the USA, Germany, etc.? I am among them. And no one requires them to return the money upon departure.

            The newly-fledged Israel had no economy and no production, and therefore every unit of anything was important.

            I repeat again, thanks for the technique, but it did not solve anything. Would have won without it and not much more losses.

            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            Unfortunately, today the Jews (Israel) are on the opposite side of the barricades from us and this is a fact, they are doing what they accuse fascist Germany - Nazism, genocide.

            Don't blah blah. Do you have facts?
            I have complete reverse:








            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            recognized fact based on genetic examinations

            There were and cannot be such examinations, this is nonsense. Jews and Arabs share a common relative of the biblical character Abraham. Since then, the Jews have fairly mixed up with the local peoples. Here are examples of Jewish women:



            Well, just one genetic stamp. Himself not funny?
  • Majordok
    Majordok 29 August 2013 05: 52
    0
    An article on the site about "delta force" is very curious))))
  • smile
    smile 28 August 2013 20: 10
    +1
    Ruslan_F38
    Well, you ... where does it ... onizh allies. it would be strange if we didn’t exchange experience without any Syria ... not only the allies do it - we and the Chinese are conducting exercises and joint exercises in the mountains with the Indians ... who are we going to attack? there is always something to learn from each other ...

    By the way, according to the article, I had no doubt what the Jews of the Americans would do ... it was surprising that the Marines specialize individual units in operations in different areas ... well, formations ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 21: 06
      -2
      Most likely there wasn’t - one against the other. There was collaboration and study of the tactics of the units.
      1. smile
        smile 28 August 2013 21: 22
        0
        Pimply
        Well it is clear. But the interviewer said they were changing. having been on the defensive and in the attack one by one, I thought that the exercises were bilateral ... but anyway, it’s clear who is acting more successfully.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 22: 19
          0
          I do not know. It is important to note here that Givati ​​special forces are working with marins, and not ordinary units. Although from the experience of past years ...
  • patrianostra
    patrianostra 30 August 2013 20: 16
    0
    why so rude then the ongoing joint training of the FSB FSB can be brought under this brand
  • Rumata
    Rumata 28 August 2013 14: 09
    +4
    Quote: il grand casino
    and I had that in mind))) By the way, are they factory ones, or do the soldiers themselves sew? Somewhere I met Old, which seems to be sewn themselves. Correct if not right

    Or they sew themselves, it takes 20 minutes, or they order it in special "sewing shops" at many bases. Plus, when the soldiers leave for demobilization, all this is left and if you are too lazy to sew, you can take it from stocks where there are usually a lot of them. Often made from a two-color camouflage net, olive on one side, deserted on the other, turn the collar into an eversion and come out like this
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: Rumata
      Quote: il grand casino
      and I had that in mind))) By the way, are they factory ones, or do the soldiers themselves sew? Somewhere I met Old, which seems to be sewn themselves. Correct if not right

      Or they sew themselves, it takes 20 minutes, or they order it in special "sewing shops" at many bases. Plus, when the soldiers leave for demobilization, all this is left and if you are too lazy to sew, you can take it from stocks where there are usually a lot of them. Often made from a two-color camouflage net, olive on one side, deserted on the other, turn the collar into an eversion and come out like this

      By the way, off topic, but I wanted to ask ... I somehow got into a dispute with a friend about the fact that the IDF is taken even with poor eyesight. It is true, and how bad, or still fairy tales. Well, where actually with -4, -5 vision can actually get ... I don’t imagine what it is possible to do in the Army with such vision. Just sit in the headquarters, brew coffee
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 August 2013 14: 30
        +4
        Quote: il grand casino
        Well, where actually with -4, -5 vision can actually get ... I don’t imagine what it is possible to do in the Army with such vision.

        You can go to the gunners. Seriously. I know one, with -4. Good points are a few pairs, and all business. He, in my opinion, took second place in the battery commander competition of the SKVO. Pros with a capital letter.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 33
          +2
          Hmm ... reasonable. I myself know that with normal glasses, poor vision does not cause inconvenience ... and absolutely. But so far the glasses have not broken)))
          I have -5 on one eye, it flew well in my youth ... they ate my eye
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 August 2013 14: 43
            +6
            He entered the school with problems. But firstly, he knew the table well, and secondly, he had a father, a military doctor in some big position.

            Well, then he said that his vision improved. Unadjusted binoculars powerfully increase vision. Do you know this exercise: look in front of you, look into the distance? Well, the binoculars in this exercise are like a barbell.
          2. Professor
            28 August 2013 15: 17
            +5
            Fifteen years ago, I read a study done in Tsakhal showing that bespectacles have a number of advantages, in particular, glasses protect your eyes. In general, absolutely blind people serve in Tsakhal, one of them served on the army radio.
      2. Neksel
        Neksel 28 August 2013 14: 45
        +6
        Quote: il grand casino
        ... I kind of had a debate with a friend about the fact that the IDF is taken even with poor eyesight. It is true, and how bad, or still fairy tales. Well, where actually with -4, -5 vision can actually get ... I don’t imagine what it is possible to do in the Army with such vision. Just sit in the headquarters, brew coffee


        A friend worked in the administration of one of the Israeli private eye clinics, which specialize in including operations to correct vision. She said that quite a few youth of near-conscription age underwent laser correction operations, precisely in order to correct their military profile, and there were such that half a year later they were already on the Air Force flight courses (not to mention military units and special forces). And in general, such an operation is quite common (cost $ 2-4 thousand, full recovery within 1-2 months.). Many people who get bored with glasses and especially contact lenses undergo a similar operation, and for many years they completely forget about their vision problems. I also heard about special cases when they operated on even more than minus 20! (by the way, this was a young girl from Russia). Of course, 100% vision can not be returned, but now runs around with glasses -3, -4.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 49
          0
          Unfortunately, not all cases can be corrected. For example, my retina is damaged, doctors refuse to do it ... in Russia, Germany and Austria ... they’re afraid
          1. Neksel
            Neksel 28 August 2013 15: 05
            0
            It's right. Sorry. If there is eye disease then this is more problematic.
            But here I gave an example about young guys.
            1. wanderer
              wanderer 28 August 2013 19: 08
              +4
              my son serves with glaucoma and practically doesn’t see his right eye, they found something and he’s got an occupation (gunsmith) engaged in repairing small arms, by the way he shoots very well, though from a machine for left-handed people (laughs that he doesn’t even have to close his right eye and so interferes).
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 07
            0
            Quote: il grand casino
            Unfortunately, not all cases can be corrected. For example, my retina is damaged, doctors refuse to do it ... in Russia, Germany and Austria ... they’re afraid

            Try Israel
            1. il grand casino
              il grand casino 28 August 2013 15: 10
              0
              Yes, thanks for the tip, probably worth a try. I already have an old Jewish surgeon once saved this eye (if I had already been blind in one eye), maybe the other will also restore vision.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 30
                0
                Yes, the tankers in Tsahal are mostly bespectacled.

                The IDF conducts a special appeal for people with hearing impairment. According to the IDF, 85% of hearing-impaired recruits who have been released from service due to health reasons require them to be drafted into the IDF.

                For the first time, a conscription day for hearing-impaired recruits was held at the Tel Hashomer recruiting center, during which they were accompanied by instructors with sign language interpretation.

                “We decided to spend a special day of appeal. As a “people's army” we follow the principle - a call for all and equal opportunities. Therefore, we decided to facilitate the procedure for these draftees, ”said Major Nir Neeman, commander of the recruiting station.

                Hard of hearing draftees came to the point, having in their hands all the medical certificates about their state of health. After a general physical examination, some of them were found to be suitable for regular military service, the rest will be able to take up on a voluntary basis posts adapted for the hearing impaired.

                In the IDF there are 130 different positions for the hearing impaired in almost all districts and military branches.
              2. smile
                smile 28 August 2013 20: 34
                +3
                il grand casino
                I support the advice of Pimply. A friend of mine works at the Fedorov clinic. It is about Israeli experts in this field of very high opinion. Our doctors, by the way, conduct joint seminars, monitor operations, collaborate and share experiences, just like those mentioned in this article :))).
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 05
        +4
        Quote: il grand casino
        By the way, off topic, but I wanted to ask ... I somehow got into a dispute with a friend about the fact that the IDF is taken even with poor eyesight.

        With mine - 3.5, astigmatism and flat feet, I served in the infantry. The problem with flat feet was solved simply - the insoles were issued. As far as I remember, both blind and amputee guys can serve. It all depends on the units.

        And Tsakhale is the concept of a medical profile. Some things reduce it. The highest profile is 97, the lowest - 21. There are medical indicators, and psychological.

        In the infantry, the lower bar - the 82nd, although there are exceptions - the people are torn. For tankers - 72, for artillerymen, if memory serves - 64.

        Here, for example, the news from 2010.
        Congenital blindness did not deprive the young man from the yeshiva-esder in Sderot of the motivation to serve in the army, along with classmates. He achieved the call and enrollment in the prestigious unit No. 8200 of the intelligence department at the General Staff.

        Division 8200 is engaged in the analysis of information in Arabic, collected in a variety of ways. Elior mastered the Arabic language with the help of Braille and passed all the necessary examinations for compliance with his position.

        His direct commander, a military man named Irena (ranks and surnames remain classified, due to the secret nature of the 8200 unit - approx.) Notes the highest motivation that Elior possesses, which helps him cope with all the difficulties of military service and completing his tasks . At the moment, Elior is an organic member of the unit, serving on equal terms with his sighted colleagues, Irena notes.

        Elior, for his part, notes the friendly attitude towards him and the assistance that his colleagues render him: he was never refused a request to read out a document aloud or to explain something that he did not understand.


        As an example, here are the guys serving.

        [img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IcFq4KKD33k/UJU6PRsqdnI/AAAAAAAAYWA/8Cpj
        RTWZTiw / s720 / Eliran% 20Oster_IDF.jpg [/ img]
  • patrianostra
    patrianostra 30 August 2013 20: 12
    0
    these capes deform the silhouette, that is, the eye of the observer does not notice the correct geometric lines
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 28 August 2013 10: 22
    +3
    I remember the berserker laid out the video how they work by address. There was a real file on a file.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 11: 38
      -2
      It was a deal. Although the TV crew seemed to be spinning there, everything was possible in already-cleaned houses and on camera.
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 28 August 2013 10: 29
    +5
    Somewhere on YouTube, in my opinion, there is a record of how the marines are stripping either in Afghanistan or in Iraq,
    Last week, Givati ​​Special Forces conducted joint exercises with United States marines to study various methods of waging city war, to teach the IDF approach in waging city war, and to learn about marines' experience in urban development in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    .
    Israeli army learns to fight in a ghost town:

    US Army:
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 August 2013 10: 33
    13
    Do I alone polished American marines with glasses, with all the bells and whistles remind the SS men of the period 1941?
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 August 2013 10: 39
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Do I alone polished American marines with glasses, with all the bells and whistles remind the SS men of the period 1941?


      But it is necessary to remind SSovtsov 45th))))
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 August 2013 10: 53
        0

        Special training: US Marines against Givati ​​Special Forces

        Special training and development of joint actions of the USA and Israel. On the territory of Syria.
        Yankers with the IDF are jointly going to fight in Syria.
        It is a pity how many millions of Christians and Alawites in Syria will be destroyed. And this will already be a completely alien and hostile country to Russia.
        All the same, the Russian leadership betrayed Syria. As expected. Russia no longer has its own foreign policy, some show off.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 11: 42
          +3
          Talk nonsense. Israel is not needed there primarily in the United States, as this is a potential destruction of the coalition.
      2. Cormorants
        Cormorants 28 August 2013 11: 07
        +4
        I completely agree)))
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 28 August 2013 13: 31
      +6
      Like the SS during the Second World War, THESE are also very serious guys and are capable of fighting with conscience. And they "resemble" well-equipped and well-trained soldiers. I do not like banter in such a perspective.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 28 August 2013 14: 34
        +3
        Quote: Mairos
        Like the SS men from the Second World War, these are also very serious guys and are able to fight in good conscience.

        No one argues.
        Quote: Mairos
        And they "resemble" well-equipped and well-trained soldiers. I do not like banter in such a perspective.

        Do not love and do not love, the more there is no banter here, a purely associative sensation.
    3. South
      South 28 August 2013 15: 53
      -3
      it may very well be that they do not resemble the Red Army men in a wretched tunic and windings - windings
      1. smile
        smile 28 August 2013 20: 42
        +6
        South
        The fact that a devastated country could not always provide our army with decent uniforms did not stop the Red Army men from squeezing windings to crush the planet’s most powerful army (and take a vacant position) and be more combat-ready at times than the most dressed-up Europeans ... and would cease already on our army teeth gnash in impotent rage ... the pegs fall out ... it will be hard to eat ... :)))
        1. South
          South 28 August 2013 21: 24
          -4
          Yes, all the normals will be, your prayers, comrade dog marshal, and I’ve been in the army for seven years, I don’t have to talk about your teeth, watch your shores
          and the "devastated country" before the war, which was unleashed by the Nazis together with the allies, riveted the most tanks in the world, and the battleships laid an unprecedented displacement, etc., etc. people it was originally.
          1. smirnov
            smirnov 28 August 2013 22: 13
            +2
            Are you apparently a fan of Rezun’s theories?
          2. smile
            smile 28 August 2013 23: 14
            +5
            South
            Ek got you lucky .... at once in three words they gave out all the most important spells of the liberals .... you were trampled over for an unrestrained language from the Army? :))))
            But I’ll tell you a secret, and I - from repeated repetition, the long-exposed insolent insolence does not cease to be a lie ... but it becomes a stupid lie ... (I write slowly, picking up words, because if I say what I think, the moderators will give pumpkin again :))))
            And about my prayers ... so I don’t pray all sorts of rubbish ... so you still have to fear for your teeth .... we all served somewhere ... some even went to places where to survive, in general It’s impossible ... but for the first time I hear that a person who has served for seven years in the Army is proud of the integrity of his .... mouth ... somehow he didn’t notice anything so special ... what are you ... in the debate were you sitting? :))) So there seems to be up to three years, if I do not confuse anything: :)))
            Okay, go .... read something ... okay? As the saying goes: "Tell your father to protect yourself from now on" ... :)))
            1. South
              South 29 August 2013 08: 25
              -5
              you are like a little ugly dog, you run around, you ring and everything is useless, in vain I paid attention to you - so much twittering - squawking))))
              and with your mouth you definitely have problems to see that you’re all about the mouth and the mouth)))))
              but they don’t perley me from the army
              1. smile
                smile 29 August 2013 13: 30
                0
                South
                Yes, in vain you contacted me ... :))) And in general, you wrote your rubbish in vain ... I obeyed, madam, how you are silent ..., okay, don’t cry unhappy, we will find you a man .... :) )))
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 28 August 2013 21: 17
        +7
        Quote: Southern
        , well, they do not resemble the Red Army men in a wretched tunic and windings - windings

        You don’t know the subject. The gymnast served not only in the Red Army and the Soviet, from the 60s of the 19th century, she served the Army of the Russian Empire. Since it was cheap to manufacture, easy to fit, comfortable to wear, and good in operational qualities. with boots. They (windings) do not allow dirt and snow to get into the boot. Boots with windings were also worn by Wehrmacht soldiers. VAM-MINUS.
  • Kerch
    Kerch 28 August 2013 10: 50
    +5
    when I read - Givati ​​special forces, I immediately began to think whether it was an island or a ghost state - Givati))
  • zinander
    zinander 28 August 2013 10: 56
    0
    I wonder how many of these brave warriors would have passed on a maroon beret? I think that not many ...
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    2. Professor
      28 August 2013 11: 10
      13
      Quote: Iskander
      I wonder how many of these brave warriors would have passed on a maroon beret? I think that not many ...

      First, apples must be compared with apples. Givati ​​special forces are just brigade special forces. Nevertheless, a throw of 12 km takes the maroon, Givati ​​80 km with a stretcher in which the soldier always lies. The rest of the exercises can not be compared because they are just different ...
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 28 August 2013 12: 30
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Givati ​​80 km with a stretcher in which the soldier always lies.

        The stretcher usually opens the last 10-13km. The march itself is also constantly changing, for example, in the "Golani" we did 93 km (85 ordinary +8 with a stretcher)
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 12: 42
          +4
          Quote: Rumata
          we for example in "Golani" did 93 km (85 usual +8 with a stretcher)

          They reduced it like in the late 90s.
          We had a stretcher in the middle.
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 28 August 2013 12: 50
            +6
            Quote: Pimply
            They reduced it like in the late 90s.

            They reduced it to 65 km in brigades, then raised it to 70 km, lowered it to 60 ... There were always 85 + km in saiyarot and gadsars, it is not uncommon that it exceeds 100 km, which has already mocked soldiers for 6 months in the army =)
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 August 2013 12: 53
              +4
              In "Haruv" we had 57 + 8, if memory serves, they drove the final round across Jerusalem, to the Wailing Wall. The beginning of 2000.
        2. Professor
          28 August 2013 12: 48
          13
          Quote: Rumata
          The stretcher usually opens the last 10-13km. The march itself is also constantly changing, for example, in the "Golani" we did 93 km (85 ordinary +8 with a stretcher)

          Specially checked today, 80 km and with a stretcher. There was a period when they made it easier now they seem to be mocking again.
          1. Witold
            Witold 29 August 2013 22: 17
            +1
            That's right, and in "Golani" 51 battalion, 1979, the stretcher was opened from the start, and the start was from Khushnia. Finish in Jerusalem at the Western Wall.
          2. patrianostra
            patrianostra 30 August 2013 20: 34
            0
            learns learns sweat cheaper than blood
    3. Hon
      Hon 28 August 2013 11: 15
      12
      Quote: Iskander
      I wonder how many of these brave warriors would have passed on a maroon beret? I think that not many ...

      So it’s not possible for us to take it on us.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 28 August 2013 11: 28
        +8
        all about the Israeli special forces, with one caveat in my opinion what is available in the public domain. We still do not know much and which is hidden from prying eyes behind seven seals.



        givati ​​special forces
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 11: 47
      +4
      In Israel, the traditional march for picking up takes in infantry units - from 40 to 120 km.

      Among exercises similar in practice, there is shooting for accuracy after several kilometers of running and overcoming an obstacle course. A melee is only in special forces.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 August 2013 11: 50
    +2
    The complex is called Baladia. Such exercises are held regularly. The construction of the village began in 2005 and, exactly two years later, joint exercises with the American marines took place. There are 472 buildings in a fake Arab village (from one-story temporary buildings to an eight-story new building with 50 rooms and an elevator shaft): schools, shops, garages, mosques, city hall buildings, a refugee camp, a bazaar, a casbah and a cemetery. In total, Baladia has 1200 doors, 2500 windows, 7 km. roads, 12 km. concrete walls. The landfill area is almost 20 km². Up to 5 different exercises are held simultaneously; a whole team can train at the training ground. The cost of the landfill is estimated at 100 million shekels (but, as they say, one of the best investments).



    1. patrianostra
      patrianostra 30 August 2013 20: 26
      +1
      Pouring sweat is much cheaper than blood.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 28 August 2013 12: 00
    +1
    Americans special forces, special forces, but not special forces!
  • Neksel
    Neksel 28 August 2013 12: 16
    +5
    Thank you Professor.
  • Rider
    Rider 28 August 2013 12: 17
    +8
    lay out for fun

    quarrel for offtopic.

    Marines

    The US Army is the most ... decide for yourself which one.

    Israel, 98th year. KMB base on the seashore. I am a lieutenant, an officer on duty at the base. Call from the gate - representatives of American Marines have arrived, their "guide" is late, go meet. I'm fine with English, so I go and meet. 3 hulks, 2 meters by one and a half, Arnold is a dwarf next to them. Polkan, his chief of staff and ensign, the so-called sergeant - major. How can I serve? They, it turns out, after a week of training, are going to land on the shore of the base. We came to inspect the area. Well, we can do that.

    Let's go ashore. They look around, write something in notebooks, and finally they are interested in:
    “Sir, what kind of antennas are there?”
    “This,” I reply, “is the Navy base Dugit.”
    “And what kind of concrete building is this a mile south of this base?”
    “This,” I answer, “is the base of the Palestinian commandos.” Dugit is located right on the border with Gaza.

    Prapor makes big eyes, turns to his polkan and stretches out at attention, says:
    - Sir, may I ask ...
    “Ask,” he agrees.
    “Sir, Gaza, is that not where Arafat is sitting?”

    Polkan turns to me in surprise. I explain that yes, this is the same Gaza, part of the Palestinian Authority, and Arafat very often happens there. Now the big eyes are made by the whole trinity.

    At this excursion was hastily completed. Arriving half an hour later, the Israeli major paratrooper, who did not meet the Americans because of traffic jams, ran out of me all the profanity. The final - the exercises of the proud US naval assault were canceled, and the very next day the entire squadron disappeared from the horizon.


    another request, put the pros more pluses (do not minus the extreme), lose your opponent, who will we butt with then?
    1. smile
      smile 28 August 2013 20: 49
      +2
      Rider
      Well, I already plus it more often ... but you're right, because it affected the rating ... :)))
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 28 August 2013 12: 20
    +4
    Joint exercises are always a good thing. At one time, our GRU officers with such exchanges traveled to Cuba and to Vietnamese comrades (by the way, a lot of field experience was gained in disguise and survival - once I was lucky to see a training film on disguise and secretive movement in the jungle with the participation of Vietnamese instructors )
  • vagabo
    vagabo 28 August 2013 13: 55
    +3
    An interesting event. Thank you for the article.
    So who did win, the Israelis or the Amers?
    The next time you would invite ours to sparring or hold some international competitions ...
    "Village" is really cool! Already drooling flowed!
    What you need for coaching for action in an urban environment.
    1. smile
      smile 28 August 2013 20: 52
      +4
      vagabo
      Yes, of course, the Jews turned out to be cooler ... even according to the individual phrases of the interviewer, this is obvious, although he tried to be objective and emphasized respectfully .... :)))
  • Massik
    Massik 28 August 2013 14: 04
    +5
    in the first photo, the Israelis are similar in appearance to ours, in simple stones with different shoes, knee pads, but in good unloading. In the second photo, the Americans, though dressed up, are terribly standing, with bullets sticking out at 3-4 faces just in their mouth, the 2nd one is trying to bend down, but his back will get tired quickly, it’s necessary to bend the knees, not the back, the first knee sticks out well, can you stay so lame for life, maybe they were unsuccessfully photographed ??? laughing
  • aud13
    aud13 28 August 2013 16: 11
    +6
    It would be nice to invite us to Russia and exchange experiences.
    Good experience is good everywhere, and even more so.
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 29 August 2013 01: 51
      -1
      No, really! Better you to them! laughing yes
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 12 November 2013 15: 52
    0
    Quote: Iskander
    I wonder how many of these brave warriors would have passed on a maroon beret? I think that not many ...


    And I think there are more than a third of infantry units, of reconnaissance companies - ninety percent, army special forces (matkal, shaldag, sh-13) are generally ridiculous to assess - these units have standards in training an order of magnitude higher than the exam for this takes. There is such a cool thing as "40-40-40" in slang, 40+ km of running along the coast with 40+ kg behind the back to "40cm" in the water, or rather knee-deep, after which either the standard for the release of hostages in the building is immediately followed. or (if the instructor is in a good mood) the sniper standard, who does not pass - runs a circle a couple of kilometers and a new run, and so on once a week, until everyone starts shooting without missing eyes with closed eyes. And sparring for 12 minutes is a warm-up, from the second half of the course you start sharpening hand-to-hand combat, half a day of full-contact training (in protective ammunition, of course, in Krav Maga, especially in the army version, it’s impossible to do otherwise), one of the standards - they beat you at once with the whole crowd and your task is to stay on your feet for at least 15 minutes, and, as much as possible, to knock as many opponents to the ground by all means available to you. So draw your own conclusions.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 12 November 2013 16: 07
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    In Israel, the traditional march for picking up takes in infantry units - from 40 to 120 km.

    Among exercises similar in practice, there is shooting for accuracy after several kilometers of running and overcoming an obstacle course. A melee is only in special forces.


    Not entirely true, there are hand-to-hand exercises in the infantry, and especially in reconnaissance, it just differs in depth in the subject and intensity. The infantry is taught elementary self-defense and the fight with a rifle, intelligence officers learn simple neutralization and disarmament.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 12 November 2013 16: 16
    0
    Touches a bottle of Coca-Cola in the third photo sticking out of the American discharge laughing