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September 15 in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, will begin a general three-day congress of Kurds. The most important question, which has long concerned all Kurds, will be put on the agenda: will they have their own state? The conference will bring together Kurds from Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran. As guests will be there and the Russian Kurds. The venue of the forum was not chosen by chance: it is in Iraq that the Kurds have maximum autonomy.


The press notes that in recent days thirty thousand Syrian Kurds have fled to Iraq, who fled from the civil war.

As noted by 9tv.co.il Referring to the news channel Jewish News One, thousands of people who inhabited Kurdish areas in northeastern Syria fled to Iraqi Kurdistan. According to the UN, this is one of the most massive influxes of refugees in the Kurdish areas of Iraq over the past two years.

The Kurds are fighting in Syria against Islamist groups: “Dzhebhat al-Nusra” and “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant”. Previously, in the Syrian war, as you know, the Kurds were neutral. And now what is happening in Syrian Kurdistan is called the genocide of the Kurdish population. Some Kurds believe that the Assad regime contributes to the extermination of their jihadists. At least in this interview IA "REGNUM" told the Syrian Kurd and opposition leader Ali Abd Salam Mohammed, representing the "Party of Democratic Unity of Syria" in Russia.

To the question of a REGNUM correspondent about which forces in the Syrian opposition are the most effective, this person answered:

“I’ll say both Kurd and Kurdish public figure. In the Syrian opposition, the most organized force is now the Kurds. Thanks to their organization and solidarity, the Kurds of Syria were able to establish self-government in a number of their districts. The other part is the Jabhat al-Nusra group, or the Victory Front, as well as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant group. The third part is the “Free Syrian Army” (PAS), which is going through not the best of times. ”


Ali Abd Salam Mohammed believes that the Americans apply double standards to jabbahans. Officially, Washington declared the “Victory Front” a terrorist organization, but as soon as the “Front” began fighting in the territory of Syrian Kurdistan, the United States called the organization’s fighters not terrorists, but only “jihadists”, that is, the Syrian opposition jihad pledged to help.

“It turns out that in the US, a jebhatist is a terrorist, and if this terrorist is fighting in Syrian Kurdistan, then he is a Syrian Muslim who is fighting for his rights against the criminal regime of Bashar al-Assad, who is in alliance with the Kurds.”


Such a convenient classification, which allows playing with concepts at once, also suggests that the United States fears a Kurdish upturn in the Middle East. Ali Abd Salam Mohammed argues that America is afraid of the Kurds because “the Kurds raise their heads, not by their orders, but by their own will. This fact confuses the Americans with all the cards. ”

Jebhat activity in Syrian Kurdistan is also associated with the presence of oil there. This region is rich in oil, said the oppositionist. Now a part of the oil storage facilities is in the hands of the jabhat people.

“Few people know that the“ Victory Front ”sells“ its ”oil to the Bashar al-Assad regime, and the regime buys this oil. On the basis of oil, the interests of Dzhebkhat and the Free Syrian Army also clash. Recently in the province of Rakka about forty days were fighting. I will tell you one thing: among the militants of "Al-Nusra" in the area of ​​Raqqah, the people of Bashar al-Assad were noticed. These militants have admitted this themselves. "


As Olga Kuznetsova writes (Kommersant), at the national conference in Erbil, which will open on September 15, the agenda will be the question of how to get the Kurdish people to have their own state. And this forum takes on special significance in the light of recent events in Syria, where the Kurds were drawn into a war with radical Islamists fighting under the flags of Al-Qaeda.

“The Syrian war is not ours. Kurds were trying to draw into her under various pretexts. The so-called Syrian opposition repeatedly and unreasonably accused us of collaborating with the regime of Bashar al-Assad. But from the very beginning of the conflict, we declared neutrality, and now we are protecting ourselves from the attacks of Al-Qaida, ”said Ali Abd Salam Mohammed, mentioned above, to Kommersant.

This regional war in the war confirmed the Kurds in the idea of ​​expanding autonomy - up to its legislative consolidation. They propose, notes O. Kuznetsov, that in the new constitution of the country the rights of the Kurds should be clearly defined.

It is noteworthy that the plans of the Syrian Kurds did not meet with objections from Turkey. “The Turkish authorities are gradually moving away from the hard line against the Kurds. This is evident from the fact that they are trying to resolve the Kurdish issue in their own country, ”Farhat Patiyev, a member of the National Congress of Kurdistan, explained to Kommersant.

As for the Turkish Kurds, then, as stated "Herald of the Caucasus" Stanislav Ivanov, Senior Researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the settlement of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict can create a new model for the coexistence of Kurds with other nations.

Ivanov noted that against the background of the successful experience of the Iraqi Kurdish autonomy, Turkey creates its own model: a nation in which everyone has equal rights: “... so that they do not ask you on the street who you are, Kurd or Turks, so that you feel protected, independent, passport of the citizen of the country where you live. " In this case, the question of the desire to "separate" may disappear by itself. The expert said:

“Iraqi Kurds do not raise the issue of separation from Iraq. What for? They get oil revenues, they have their own budget, they have their own parliament, their own laws, their own constitution, their judicial authority, even their national armed forces, their police, conduct international activities, they have foreign representatives around 30 accredited - why should they separate ? In the new post-Saddam Iraq, they feel no worse than the Arabs, but somewhere even in terms of security and better. Therefore, if the same conditions are created in other countries with Kurdish minorities, then the question will automatically disappear. ”


Another point of view on the Kurdish question was voiced by Andrey Ivanov ("Free press"). In his opinion, the Middle East may expect a redistribution in the near future.

Konstantin Sokolov, Vice President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, briefly described the geopolitical picture:

“The issue of creating a Kurdish state is relevant today as never before. This situation was created not by the Kurds, but by other powers that are interested in redrawing the borders in the region. In general, in the Middle East, state frontiers have changed many times. But there was no place for the Kurds, although it is a large nation.

Now Iraq can repeat the fate of Yugoslavia and break up into several parts. There, the Kurds have already received autonomy, and control the oil-bearing areas. Difficult situation in Syria, where the Kurds opposed the militants. Here they expect to get their own, bargaining with the government of Assad. It is extremely difficult in Turkey: the end of a long policy pursued since the days of Kemal Ataturk. Turkey tried to integrate into Europe, it spoiled relations with the Islamic world. But the West does not accept Turkey. Therefore, the country has a very difficult social situation. ”


The expert believes that the Kurdish issue is a question of destabilization of the situation in the region.

As for the planned Kurdish forum in Erbil, the leading researcher at the Center for the Study of the Near and Middle East, Vladimir Sotnikov, explained that quite a few conferences had already been held on the Kurdish issue. True, the Kurds have now come to the acquisition of statehood "as close as ever." At the same time, the construction of a state is a “not one day” question. Therefore, "it is unlikely that the issue will be resolved at the conference, even if it develops some new approaches and accepts some documents."

“It is interesting that today, geopolitically, the United States is beneficial for the Kurds to get some kind of statehood. For Americans, the Kurds are one of the keys to resolving the Syrian problem. The situation in Turkey depends on their position, that is, the Kurds can be used. The Iraqi leadership has important support for the Kurds in the fight against jihadists and other groups that are fighting against the government. But all this does not mean that the Kurds will get their state. "


Chairman of the International Union of Kurdish Public Associations Merab Shamoev said that representatives of Russian Kurds will participate in the conference as guests. By the way, in his opinion, the statehood of the Kurds "today looks like a utopia." As for the Russian Kurds and their support for the national self-determination of the Kurds in the Middle East, this is what Shamoev said:

“We are citizens of the Russian Federation, in all matters we support Russia, its leadership. On the other hand, we remember our roots and will support our compatriots in resolving the issue of national definition. ”


Also, the chairman of the International Union of Kurdish Public Associations noted that the Kurds "trust Russia, not the West."

Thus, against the background of events in Syria, where Kurds are forced to participate in “not theirs” war against Islamists, and against the background of reconciliation attempts of the Turkish government with their Kurds, a conference in Iraqi Kurdistan may in the future turn out to be a prologue to the creation of new Kurdish autonomies. As for the formation in the Middle East "in the near future" of an independent Kurdish state, the Kurds themselves do not see the prerequisites for this.

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  1. ReifA
    ReifA 2 September 2013 08: 12
    +6
    I think the Kurdish state does not need anyone except the Kurds themselves. Without a powerful global lobby (using Israel as an example), something is difficult to do, it is not Palestine with Bedouins and motley Arabs. Here and Turkey, and Syria and Iraq.
    1. PPL
      PPL 2 September 2013 08: 58
      +3
      I think the Kurdish state does not need anyone except the Kurds themselves

      You, my friend, like Kozma Prutkov sprinkle aphorisms. laughing
      But seriously, the fragmentation of states into small national entities will lead to even larger wars due to territorial and property claims.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 2 September 2013 12: 45
        -1
        The fragmentation of states and the formation of new ones is a natural process. Worth a look at the story
      2. igorelo
        igorelo 3 September 2013 23: 10
        0
        However, each nation has the right to its own state in any case. Why are the Kurds worse than the Chinese, for example?
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 2 September 2013 09: 05
      10
      It seems to me that if independent Kurdistan appears, it will be worse than all the conflicts in the Middle East combined. The clashes between Syrian Kurds and Islamists are not because of Assad. Islamists simply do not recognize the borders between Islamic countries. For them, the Kurds and the Arab, no difference. And the Kurds fight as if defending the nonexistent borders of the future Kurdistan. If the Kurds declare the Kurdish autonomy in northern Iraq as independent statehood, it will immediately arouse Iran and Turkey Syria is not up to this right now, but Assad and the central Iraqi authorities will not like it to put it mildly either. Given the very close ties of Iraqi Kurds with the Americans and Israelis, serious conflicts will begin there.
    3. Civil
      Civil 2 September 2013 10: 57
      +2
      Kurds are still very grateful to Russia for the training camps in Bulgaria, many speak Russian from this
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 2 September 2013 11: 54
        +4
        Ordinary people never need a war! If you think that all Kurds want to secede, then you are deeply mistaken! Other problems may arise in Iraq for the Kurds, Mosul and Kerkuk are Turkman cities!
  2. pinecone
    pinecone 2 September 2013 08: 22
    0
    Quote: ReifA
    Here and Turkey, and Syria and Iraq.


    Not only. There are also Iranian Kurds.
  3. ReifA
    ReifA 2 September 2013 08: 27
    0
    Yes, Iran missed. Somehow they get less news than from the above countries, IMHO.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 2 September 2013 09: 51
      +1
      The fact that the Kurds started the war against jihadists in Syria is a big plus. The Syrian army will be easier to kill terrorists. They want the Kurds or do not want to fight on the side of Assad, but they still have to. Otherwise, they will be completely exterminated.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 2 September 2013 11: 24
      +4
      Quote: ReifA
      Yes, Iran missed. Somehow they get less news than from the above countries, IMHO

      Well, because there are fewer of them than in other countries. Yes, and here the question is just about everything. In Turkey, it’s more democratic, the Kurds can run through the mountains, in Syria, anarchy also began to move, and in Iraq when Saddam was also not particularly rocked because they cut it out. The cameras came head raised.
      Without the powerful support of America, the Kurdish state cannot survive in the region when everything is against !! Even Israel is in a better position.
  4. a52333
    a52333 2 September 2013 08: 41
    +2
    This is a crack that our intelligence agencies can use vs Turkey.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 2 September 2013 09: 11
      +4
      Quote: a52333
      This is a crack that our intelligence agencies can use vs Turkey.



      LOVES YOU to represent James Bond wassat it was during the Soviet era, when the KGB took an active part in the creation of the Marxist-Leninist PKK ... but then the Turks won back to Chechnya hi and now there is a tacit agreement between the special services that no one will support the separatist movements ..... hi
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 09: 41
        +1
        Where does this awareness of the activities of special services come from? laughing
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 2 September 2013 16: 13
          +3
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Where does this awareness of the activities of special services come from?



          Look at my nickname ...... laughing

          by the way. remember 10 years ago how the FSB expelled the head of the PKK Ocalan from the Moscow airport ... and even Ramadanovsky said that we didn’t have a passenger under that name)) 0a a few days later, he said that he was with us, he wanted to stay in Yaroslavl but we washed it .......
  5. bairat
    bairat 2 September 2013 09: 48
    0
    I don’t understand what difference the Americans have this independent Kurdistan or not. They print dollars, collect resources from all over the world, what else do they need? They would sit there overseas calmly, all these shit-boils are not the reason to wave a war club.
  6. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 2 September 2013 09: 59
    0
    Europe and America are keenly interested in the mess in the Near and Middle East, incl. with due perseverance of the Kurds, everything is possible.
  7. biglow
    biglow 2 September 2013 10: 05
    +4
    small countries are easier to manage. And the states must secretly sponsor the Kurds, it is very beneficial for them to split the Middle East into many tribal states. It is always easier to agree with the leaders of the tribes than with the leaders of powerful states ..
  8. locman60
    locman60 2 September 2013 10: 33
    +1
    EAST, a delicate matter ... it’s not worth chopping off your shoulder ... I put it this way
  9. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 2 September 2013 10: 51
    +1
    Kurds have a desire to create their own state, and many people use this desire. They were one of the forces that the amers used to enslave Iraq. In World War I, Turkish Kurds very actively slaughtered Armenians. So I don’t feel like Kurds. Now they, it seems, are in the same trench with Bashar al-Assad. And if tomorrow amers offer them the Iraqi option?
    1. alone
      alone 2 September 2013 16: 31
      +4
      how the Syrian Kurds were in the same trenches with Assad. To fight against jihadists does not mean that they are with Assad. The Kurds have their own goals. So that the SSA militants did not touch them, they organized a whole brigade and included in the SSA. If they had an Assad, why did the Assad withdraw his entire army from Kurdish areas? Assad knew that Kurds would hit in the back. Kurds fight with bearded men only because they included Kurdish areas in their caliphate
  10. ReifA
    ReifA 2 September 2013 11: 21
    +1
    It seems that Kurds are beneficial to Americans and other interested people without statehood. A kind of hell out of the box, pops up when the right situation. Perhaps with a sharp change of course by Turkey, in the anti-Western direction, something will change in the interests of America.
  11. Yeraz
    Yeraz 2 September 2013 11: 29
    +4
    Yes, no one will give them official sovereignty. It will automatically set everyone against themselves. The benefits of keeping them part of these peoples. Iraq darted to stir the Kurds there, Turkey looked to the PAC activity to make it more active. To get rid of such pressure lever inside the state is stupid.
  12. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 2 September 2013 11: 29
    +1
    Not an order. It is necessary to help the Kurds. And then the Turks began to raise their heads. Forgot, you bastards, the partition plan of Turkey from 1918 year. But we did not forget and forgive the massacre of the Orthodox population in Smyrna.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 2 September 2013 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Kibalchish
      But we did not forget and forgive the massacre of the Orthodox population in Smyrna.

      Do you think we forgot about the cut out 4 million Muslim in the Balkans?

      You would study how many Greeks slaughtered the Turks in Anatolia!
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 2 September 2013 11: 53
        0
        This is how many Turks the Greeks could cut in the originally Turkish Anatolia? When it was? As far as I remember, the world does not recognize any massacre of Turks, but it recognizes the massacre of Armenians and Greeks. Or are you a fan of Turkish alternative history?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 2 September 2013 11: 59
          +1
          I’m for a true story! Why don’t you remember about 4 of a million Muslims in the Balkans alone?
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 2 September 2013 12: 15
            +1
            When was that reminded? And who exactly cut it out? And about the "true story" I really "liked the" Turkish film "1453. Conquest". And especially the noble Sultan Mehmed 2, a respectable middle-aged man, noble and magnanimous towards the conquered Greeks - but in reality a youth with sadistic inclinations, addiction to sodomy, especially to little boys. Something in the film was forgotten to mention.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 2 September 2013 12: 30
              +2
              Quote: Kibalchish
              but in reality a young man with sadistic inclinations, addiction to sodomy, especially to young boys.


              Have you seen how he molested boys? Do not write nonsense! Good luck!
              1. Kibalchish
                Kibalchish 2 September 2013 12: 36
                -2
                Google to help about the addictions of Mehmed. Everything is clearly written there. Have a nice one you too hi
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 2 September 2013 12: 40
                  +3
                  Read more google and wikipedia!
                  1. Kibalchish
                    Kibalchish 2 September 2013 12: 46
                    +1
                    Google is just a search engine. Sources of the book, including on the Internet. There is a lot of evidence of cruelty and sexual preferences of the Sultan. By the way, you still didn’t answer me who, where, and when, cut out 4 million Muslims? And why is this fact not commented on by the world community?
                    Prejudice against the Turkish people?
                2. alone
                  alone 2 September 2013 16: 33
                  +4
                  wassat since when did google become a source of silver?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 2 September 2013 12: 16
          +3
          Quote: Kibalchish
          As far as I remember, the world does not recognize any massacre of Turks, but it recognizes the massacre of Armenians and Greeks.

          Well, the whole world does not recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia, but the reality remains.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 2 September 2013 12: 17
      +3
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Not an order. It is necessary to help the Kurds.

      A multinational country to foment separatism in another country is extremely far-sighted. But the life of a boomerang all returns fellow
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 2 September 2013 12: 34
        +2
        Stirring up separatism? Is it really so? But I know a little different. A few years ago there was a film on Channel One (the main channel of Russia) telling that there are serious reasons to believe that Turkey supported Chechen fighters in both wars at the state level. So catch the boomerang yourself guys. Nothing personal just business.


        But the Georgians had to think with their heads, not booty, before attacking the Russian base. If Americans were in the place of the Russians, Tbilisi would now remind Hiroshima after a nuclear strike.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 2 September 2013 12: 51
          +2
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Stirring up separatism? Is it really so?

          Yes.
          Quote: Kibalchish
          that Turkey supported Chechen fighters in both wars at the state level. So catch the boomerang yourself guys. Nothing personal just business.

          Come on, don’t you remember who created the PKK on the territory of Turkey ??? So, a boomerang issued by Moscow came to Chechnya. Want to restart it, because it will fly again.
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 2 September 2013 12: 57
            +1
            And who created it? Kurds have created. They tried to milk the USSR for money, pretending to be a communist movement, and sometimes it worked. To believe that Kurdish separatism created the USSR is the height of stupidity.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 2 September 2013 14: 34
              +1
              Quote: Kibalchish
              And who created it? Kurds have created.

              yeah, they themselves sat down and created. Do not write nonsense. The KGB created them without forgetting to prepare and provide them.
              Then, according to your logic, the Turks were not to blame either, because they did not create Ichkeria and simply provided support. Although the Turks simply provided support, and the PKK was created by the USSR, the amers and Israel also picked up the finished structure.
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 2 September 2013 16: 23
              +4
              Quote: Kibalchish
              Kurdish separatism created the USSR is the height of stupidity.


              Friend .... it was not Kurdish separatism that created the USSR, but the party and organization of the PPC was created with the direct support and participation of the KGB ....... I know a person who directly supervised this activity from the territory of one of the Union republics of the USSR ... . hi I will tell you the details after .... smile
            3. alone
              alone 2 September 2013 16: 35
              +4
              The KGB of the USSR financed the PKK. It supplied weapons. Do not argue. This is a recognized fact.
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 2 September 2013 12: 53
          0
          Quote: Kibalchish
          But the Georgians had to think with their heads, not booty, before attacking the Russian base

          The mistake of the Georgians was that they allowed peacekeepers to these territories.
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 2 September 2013 12: 58
            +3
            And whose peacekeepers would you like to see there?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 2 September 2013 15: 42
              +5
              Quote: Kibalchish
              And whose peacekeepers would you like to see there?

              Let nobody solve this problem of the territorial integrity of Georgia.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 2 September 2013 16: 26
            +5
            Quote: Yeraz
            The mistake of the Georgians was that they allowed peacekeepers to these territories.



            in May 1994, Grachev went out of his way to place at least a battalion of peacekeepers on the contact line in Karabakh ... even Minister of Defense M. Rafiev first signed a preliminary agreement ..... but wise Heydar Aliyev, seeing what danger this poses, at night removed the Minister of Defense and canceled his signature .... hi and now, to go, let's go on the attack ... there are no obstacles .... well, by the way ........ hi