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Skolkovo never ceases to amaze

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It's no secret that in Russia the majority of citizens are somewhat suspicious of the activities of newly created innovative projects, which include such an organization as Skolkovo? .. Russians are suspicious about the transparency, efficiency and benefits of the work of the aforementioned “science city” and other similar organizations. Some people believe that the criticism is fair, others (certain members of the government, for example) believe that criticism is generally groundless. At the same time, information comes from Skolkovo itself, which should demonstrate to us and you that, when launching critical arrows at this organization, we are deeply ignorant, and that it is time for us to look more objectively at this subject.


As such information, what is called, first-hand, it is possible to name the report of the Skolkovtsy published not so long ago about how the labor market in Russia and the world will change in the coming years. It must be admitted that the study aroused interest, if only because its results cannot be called trivial. So, about everything in order.

Specialists from Moscow School of Management (Moscow School of Management) at Skolkovo conducted without a doubt a unique study, the results of which were to demonstrate to the current youth which profession to choose one representative or another today, so as not to be left without work tomorrow. The described purpose of the study looks truly good, because according to the latest estimates of the main labor department, today in the Russian Federation the highest unemployment rates are among young people (about 30%).

The staff of Skolkovo Moscow School of Management and the Agency for Strategic Initiatives approached the task set before them with full responsibility, and announced the following results of their work.

If you believe those who conducted this study, and still, if you believe that it was conducted at all, then today's students after receiving a certificate should choose professions that are not familiar today. Skolkovtsy urge to abandon the idea of ​​obtaining legal and economic education, they doubt the idea of ​​obtaining a classical engineering specialty, complete obstruction of those who are going to work as a postman, a journalist, a travel agent, a machinist, a seamstress, an accountant, a traffic police inspector or a lecturer ... But on the first places in the future popularity of "Skolkovo" market researchers put such experts as cyber warden, meteoenergetic, the developer of the family trajectory of Vitia, start-up, Mom and GMO-agronomist ...

One of the authors of this work is Pavel Luksha, who works in the above-mentioned LNA.

Skolkovo never ceases to amaze

Pavel Luksha


It is he who is sure that after years through 7-8 Russia will no longer need machinists, journalists, traffic cops, seamstresses and lecturers, since the people of these professions can be “easily” replaced by such semi-automaton semi-robots who will take interviews and a lesson will be held, and in the tailoring of military uniform special differences will manifest. The same Mr. Luksha is sure that the Russian labor market will soon be in dire need of those who will be engaged in correcting the reputation of a person or organization on the Internet (the so-called cyber-yard), as well as engaging in innovative business in between child care activities ( start-up-mom). You can’t be sure about the old-up-mom, but Pavel Luksha is trying to master the profession of a cyberdooler, what is called, here and now: he takes an active part in adjusting the reputation of an organization called Skolkovo on the Internet ... How does he do it? - already completely different история...

It is strange that Skolkovo did not indicate the interest of the Russian market in such innovative specialists as, for example, the “catcher of meteorites” or the “accident-free utilizer of ammunition”.

It is also strange that neither the LNA nor the ASI did not notice how successfully such “new” specialists as “merchandisers for officials” work today (those who move the same officials from place to place) and "Opposition managers with knowledge of the English language" ...

After the research results published by Skolkovtsy and ASI representatives, at least a couple of questions arise. Question one: how much did this study cost the Russian budget? The second question is: when will higher education institutions in our country be opened in which graduates will receive diplomas in specialties such as the future cybershoot and start-up-mom?

In the meantime, Skolkovo is preparing answers to these questions, bearing in mind that instead of lecturer Ilya Ponomarev for 750 thousands of dollars, you could invite, for example, a robot lecturer for an even more impressive amount, the Russian Ministry of Education reports on the course of the 2013 admission campaign of the year in Russian universities. It turned out that graduates of domestic schools still do not want to enroll in technical specialties, preferring the humanitarian field of education. The greatest number of applicants desired to receive professions associated with international relations and personnel management. Many interested persons were observed in the field of economic education. Outside the top ten in popularity among applicants were engineering and technology areas. In this regard, even the leading technological universities of the country again experienced problems with the recruitment of students with high scores in the core USE segments.

Education Minister Dmitry Livanov complained that while the demand for specialists with the knowledge and skills of technicians is growing in the Russian economy, the country's higher education institutions continue to focus on training unclaimed personnel with degrees in lawyers and economists. Is it possible that the Russian youth will be persuaded if our president and the prime minister have “crust” of jurisprudence specialists ... And the maxim that not all graduates should be heads of state, for the modern overly ambitious youth does not always work. Maybe even cybers will be more willing to go ...
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  1. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 27 August 2013 07: 57 New
    29
    They’re wasting so much money. It would be better if they let them into the business, for example, SU - 35 they bought from the Air Force.
    1. Hon
      Hon 27 August 2013 08: 19 New
      +8
      Quote: Smac111
      They’re wasting so much money. It would be better if they let them into the business, for example, SU - 35 they bought from the Air Force.

      And how to get a rollback from it?
      1. Airman
        Airman 27 August 2013 08: 41 New
        28
        Quote: Hon
        Quote: Smac111
        They’re wasting so much money. It would be better if they let them into the business, for example, SU - 35 they bought from the Air Force.

        And how to get a rollback from it?

        There is only one conclusion: SKOLKOVO together with RUSNANO to disperse, and the money allocated for these anti-scientific organizations to be sent to defense, medicine, and school education.
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 27 August 2013 09: 04 New
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          Quote: Povshnik
          One conclusion: SKOLKOVO together with RUSNANO to disperse

          Руководителей, ответственных за результаты работ и "освоение" средств - посадить!
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 27 August 2013 09: 37 New
            13
            Quote: Ribwort
            Руководителей, ответственных за результаты работ и "освоение" средств - посадить!


            On stake!
            1. smile
              smile 27 August 2013 15: 50 New
              +3
              Botanologist
              Repeatedly!!! :)))
            2. Airman
              Airman 28 August 2013 09: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: Botanologist
              Quote: Ribwort
              Руководителей, ответственных за результаты работ и "освоение" средств - посадить!


              On stake!

              They already received KOLA at school.
          2. Hon
            Hon 27 August 2013 10: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: Ribwort
            Руководителей, ответственных за результаты работ и "освоение" средств - посадить!


            This is an Indian national hut called, the leaders can only be seated on soft chairs to lead anything else ...
            1. maxvet
              maxvet 27 August 2013 15: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Hon
              This is an Indian national hut called, the leaders can only be seated on soft chairs to lead anything else ...

              something will not work, because you still need to be able to manage.
              1. Hon
                Hon 27 August 2013 16: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: maxvet
                something will not work, because you still need to be able to manage.

                Tell Chubais about it
            2. mole
              mole 27 August 2013 15: 53 New
              +5
              Именно что РУКАМИводителей. Управленцев не хватает. Управленцу работать надо, ответственно и рачительно к делу относиться, и главное знать это дело! А когда ты друг по "Озеру", то что ты можешь знать о подчиненнных тебе?
              Что касается "посадки" - Кто же его посадит!? К сожалению их не сажают (за крайне редким исключением)! Наверное все вернее будет "размещают".
              Tired already!
              1. fennekRUS
                fennekRUS 27 August 2013 22: 34 New
                +1
                yes .. real managers have the same deficit as machinists for example or competent engineers
        2. Imperial
          Imperial 27 August 2013 09: 12 New
          +5
          A Chubais and Medvedev on the count, preferably a dumb one.
          1. maxvet
            maxvet 27 August 2013 15: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Imperial
            A Chubais and Medvedev on the count, preferably a dumb one.

            and not hewn
          2. mole
            mole 27 August 2013 15: 59 New
            +2
            A Chubais and Medvedev on the count, preferably a dumb one.

            and not hewn

            Gentlemen, they, with all their deeds, achieve this for themselves! But this is cruel, inhuman, not humane! Although I still agree, the most important thing here is that we with the degrading West can agree, because the fifth point on the stake is much more tolerant, and most importantly, human rights coincide with desires ?!
        3. mole
          mole 27 August 2013 15: 46 New
          +1
          There is only one conclusion: SKOLKOVO together with RUSNANO to disperse, and the money allocated for these anti-scientific organizations to be sent to defense, medicine, and school education.

          How can you destroy your creation, even if you can’t create your own?
          Here DAM in every speech stands for effectiveness! Where is the effectiveness. Looking back at history, in spite of all the dirt spilled on it, I see the effectiveness, the expediency of what was created in the USSR. In the present, with extremely rare exceptions, only projects, plans and noise (advertising). The effectiveness of global projects (especially DAM's), of course, in my subjective opinion, strive for ZERO!
        4. smile
          smile 27 August 2013 15: 49 New
          +2
          Airman
          Eh. we should disperse everything and shoot ... After all, science cities are still needed. So why destroy them? It is necessary to restore order, including with the use of the penitentiary system - there is no other way, but to disperse? This is the same thing as to disperse all universities, institutes and RAS and give all the money to science and education ... :))) do you think this will greatly benefit this Science itself?
      2. KILLAvolt
        KILLAvolt 27 August 2013 09: 21 New
        +3
        ... and even worse, all these people are clearly not professionals! This can be judged by the results of their activities ... And everyone is always praised for their honors and a bunch of graduated universities. One can only guess how they got them.
        1. igor67
          igor67 27 August 2013 09: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: KILLAvolt
          ... and even worse, all these people are clearly not professionals! This can be judged by the results of their activities ... And everyone is always praised for their honors and a bunch of graduated universities. One can only guess how they got them.

          Just the same turn, professionals, with delusions, replace traffic cops and postmen, they have salaries ....... belay
        2. Hon
          Hon 27 August 2013 11: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: KILLAvolt
          ... and even worse, all these people are clearly not professionals! This can be judged by the results of their activities ... And everyone is always praised for their honors and a bunch of graduated universities. One can only guess how they got them.

          You are mistaken these people are professionals, they are doing everything right, and I achieve my goals. They didn’t set a goal to chop bobs, they didn’t set goals to raise science and introduce innovations.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 27 August 2013 08: 25 New
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      Quote: Smac111
      So much money wasted

      So the author made the essence and meaning of Skolkovo in the title of the article-Skolkovo never ceases to amaze, and it can surprise only with one thing - with cuts and no projects. Well, let's clarify - подпрограмма по "Сколкову", рассчитанная на 2013-2020 годы, направлена на развитие исследований, development and commercialization of their results in priority areas.
      Из федерального бюджета на "Сколково" будет выделено 125,2 млрд рублей, в том числе 24,3 млрд рублей в 2013 году, 23 млрд - в 2014-м, 18,3 млрд - в 2015-м. Не менее 50% затрат на инноцентр правительство планирует привлечь из частных источников.
      Ранее министр экономического развития Алексей Улюкаев сообщал, что финансирование государственной программы по развитию центра "Сколково" до 2020 года составит 502 млрд рублей, из них бюджетные средства составят всего 135,6 млрд рублей.
      , т.е. 135,6 лярдов на сколковкие сомнительные "проекты" и "иновации" грохнут из нашего кармана... Так помимо "Сколково" существует ещё и "Роснано", под "чутким" руководством рыжего Толяна..
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 27 August 2013 08: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        "Роснано", под "чутким" руководством рыжего Толяна..

        Greetings, Victor! hi
        Now you can still add ... and Tolika Taburetkina
    3. Ribwort
      Ribwort 27 August 2013 08: 26 New
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      Цитата: "...такие специалисты как кибердворник, метеоэнергетик, разработчик семейной траектории развития, старта-ап-мама и ГМО-агроном. Россия перестанет нуждаться в машинистах, журналистах, гаишниках, швеях и лекторах, так как людей этих профессий можно будет «без труда» заменить на этаких полуавтоматов-полуроботов."

      Так вот что за исследования проводятся в Сколково и на что тратятся многомиллионные бюджетные средства! Любопытно... Но, помнится, подобные исследования при СССР проводились школьниками в рамках сочинения по русскому языку "Каким мне видится будущее". Причем, совершенно бесплатно.
      Я так понимаю, отсутствие конкретных результатов заболтали "прогнозом погоды".
    4. the polar
      the polar 27 August 2013 09: 54 New
      +1
      It would be desirable in the article to give a link to the report of this Luksha himself, for objectivity.
    5. Col.
      Col. 27 August 2013 10: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: Smac111
      So much money wasted would be better if they were allowed to work

      Это с нашей точки зрения - впустую тратят деньги, а с "их" точки зрения - всё путём! Я уже в нескольких местах вдоль дорог в Москве и подмосковье из окна автомобиля видел рекламные щиты о продаже "элитной недвижимости" в Сколково. Подавляющее большинство местного населения не сомневается в том, что этот "инновационный проект" - всего лишь прикрытие для очередного грандиозного распила бюджетных (т.е. народных) средств. Многие из "реформаторов" и не знают, что в СССР существовали и эффективно работали десятки наукоградов, академгородков (Дубна, Пущино, Троицк, Фрязино - это только в подмосковье, Новосибирск, Саров и т.д.). Всё это бросили на самоокупаемость, а теперь делают вид, что изобрели велосипед. Смешные и убогие чинуши!
      1. little man
        little man 27 August 2013 13: 10 New
        +2
        Exactly! It would be better if Skolkovo money was invested in these institutions, which are bent from lack of money. I will add a description from an Internet of Moscow city science cities:

        rocket and space technology - Korolev, Khimki, Balashikha;
        Center for Aviation Science - Zhukovsky;
        basic research is mainly concentrated in Dubna, Protvin, Pushchino, Troitsk, Chernogolovka;
        test and metrological complexes - in Beloozersky, Zhukovsky, Krasnoarmeysk;
        centers of radio engineering and electronics - in Zelenograd and Fryazin;
        centers of dual technologies - in Dzerzhinsky, Klimovsk;
        microbiology and biotechnology - in Pushchino and Obolensk.
    6. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 27 August 2013 10: 44 New
      +5
      Существует мнение, что "Сколково" используется как перекачка денег из бютжета страны в поддержку либеральной прозападной оппозиции...
      that is, amers even figured out how not to finance it themselves, but to attract the Russian economy to destroy Russia itself.
      It’s impossible to say exactly how much money is needed for the opening, it’s like for artists, a picture can cost 5 thousand rubles, or it can cost exactly 5 million dollars. Therefore, this project is the best meets the requirements of amers on money laundering. And the company’s management has a man whom it’s time to either plant or immediately shoot. Deserved for a long time already. Apparently, the President’s authority is not enough for this.
      But no big deal, it will all start soon ...

    7. hiocraib
      hiocraib 27 August 2013 11: 27 New
      +5
      interesting, and where are such popular and sought-after specialties as:
      1. cybergalley slave
      2. cyberloader on rollbacks
      3. cyberkickback sawer
      Well, how did you forget about:
      4. cut manager
      5. budget master?
      1. mole
        mole 27 August 2013 16: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: hiocraib
        interesting, and where are such popular and sought-after specialties as:
        1. cybergalley slave
        2. cyberloader on rollbacks
        3. cyberkickback sawer
        Well, how did you forget about:
        4. cut manager
        5. budget master?

        The first in the list of professions should be:
        Cyberthe real exterminator of embezzlers!
        The need is long overdue! am
    8. Amur
      Amur 27 August 2013 15: 27 New
      +1
      Pavel Luksha. It is he who is sure that in 7-8 years Russia will cease to need train drivers, journalists, traffic cops, seamstresses and lecturers, since people of these professions can be "easily" replaced with semi-automatic semi-automatic machines,
      its results are not trivial

      is it not even funny that they smoke there in their skolkovo? Close it to such-and-such a mother ... it’s better to put money into Phobos-Mars - another more fantastic project.
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 27 August 2013 22: 37 New
        0
        it’s better to put money into Phobos-Mars - another more fantastic project. - more realistic, and more benefits
    9. mole
      mole 27 August 2013 15: 37 New
      0
      Идея возможно нормальная, а вот "реализаторы"... negative
    10. Buran
      Buran 27 August 2013 17: 58 New
      +1
      Новости из Сколково это те же "британские ученые" только по русски.
    11. Mista_dj
      Mista_dj 27 August 2013 18: 16 New
      +2
      Skolkovo - absolutely necessary for the country!
      And not one.
      But with clear funding; reporting and goals.
      And it is highly desirable that he (Skolkovo) be headed not by the red-haired traitor, but by a talented and truly devoted man to his homeland.
      Such a person as Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov; Sergey Petrovich Kapitsa.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 27 August 2013 20: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Mista_Dj
        Skolkovo - absolutely necessary for the country!

        Fenced in by the thorn and spirals of Bruno. bully
        1. Mista_dj
          Mista_dj 27 August 2013 22: 34 New
          0
          Yes, even with minefields!
          If only they did their work and did not steal money!
  2. shurup
    shurup 27 August 2013 08: 02 New
    20
    In the register of occupations, it is fit to introduce not the exotic one any more: "The operator of machine milking the budget", which, however, already has nothing to do with animal husbandry.
  3. andrey9031
    andrey9031 27 August 2013 08: 05 New
    +3
    It’s a bit easier for lawyers and economists to get into officials, they’re no good at all
  4. Alez
    Alez 27 August 2013 08: 05 New
    13
    Skolkovo, the key word is Chipping, chipping, chopping, sawing off, cutting off what they don’t come up with to slam the money. And they insolently tyrify, scold them, threaten with a finger, and Luksha listens and eats. But in 2016, maternity capital will no longer be paid, saving the budget. The bureaucrats would start from themselves, cut down the ministries, stop giving money to Chubais for INNOVATION. Where is this Red-headed Reptile with his super-readers and tablets?
  5. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 27 August 2013 08: 06 New
    11
    Научная деятельность должна вестись в профильных учреждениях. СССР всё делал правильно и велосипеда здесь изобретать не надо. "Сколково" с самого начала позиционировало себя как некий "инновационный центр", который занимается всем... и ничем. Все "сколковские разработки" на поверку оказывались пшиком, но в него вливались всё новые миллиарды, которые потом вспывали по всему миру, в то время как профильные НИИ выли от безденежья. Эту шаражкину контору надо срочно ликвидировать, пока она окончательно не ликвидировала российскую науку.
  6. JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 August 2013 08: 15 New
    10
    Well, nonsense! Without engineers, doctors and teachers! I got the impression that the author of this study was conceived on the Internet. Robotics will be able to replace humans for years through 80. And who will make the robots? Cyber ​​wipers ???? Skolkovo - an organization simulating scientific activity !!! In fact, they just saw the budget
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 27 August 2013 20: 21 New
      0
      The simulation of activity, the issuance of feverish delirium for innovation, is too expensive for the state. For such things you have to beat in the face. On this impudent red face. laughing
  7. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 August 2013 08: 22 New
    +5
    Russian doll. A godforsaken expert, under the roof of the HSE, who, in turn, is located on the Skolkovo site, publishes his own nonsense and all this is presented as a Skolkovo achievement.
  8. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 August 2013 08: 23 New
    +4
    Те "члены"и "народные избранники",которые считают, что критика в отношении "Сколкова" беспочвенна судя по всему сами учавствуют в распиле государственных средств.

    Skolkivtsi call for abandoning the idea of ​​obtaining a legal and economic education, they question the idea of ​​getting a classical engineering specialty, those who are going to work as a postman, journalist, travel agent, engineer, seamstress, accountant, traffic police inspector or lecturer are completely obstructed ...- and someone would like to take an interest in fulfilling the functions in the above specialties, for example, a seamstress, engineer, accountant or teacher ... request
    It seems like nonsense ... lol
  9. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 27 August 2013 08: 28 New
    13
    "Зато на первые места по грядущей популярности «сколковскими» исследователями рынка поставлены такие специалисты как кибердворник, метеоэнергетик, разработчик семейной траектории развития, старта-ап-мама и ГМО-агроном…"[/color]

    And for whom "секрет-то" и "УДЫВЛЕНИЕ" that skolЬcovo , лишь один из этапов - медленного, целенаправленного, и достигаемого(!), анатомирования(препарирования), кстати на "живую", всего образования России??? Для нас с вами? Так мы уже привыкли...(к сожалению...) Для Путина? Так ему ... пох.., или сами слово подберите.
    Или опять, Ливановых, Чубайсов - винить будем? Про Сердюкова, опять же вспомним: "Если Путин его не посадит, верить ему не буду!", "Сердюков - лакмусовая бумажка власти."...
    And if the ""ПОСАДИТ""( в чём я не сомневаюсь), описаетесь от радости -" Я верил в Путина! Он не подвёл, посадил казнокрада(для меня предатель)".

    And yet, Putin has something to learn ... So slowly destroy the foundations of the state, so that no one even notices the process of destruction and the MOST destroyer. Well, of course, relatively slowly, but still ... And always - NOTHING! Probably they will even write books about him ... I can advise the name: "Свой" among strangers "ЧУЖОЙ" среди своих". Сие не плагиат - это формула Путина.

    P.S. И забудьте про все "расследования" "Счётных палат" - F U F L O ...
    Ну чтоб, нам , обывателям, быдлу - не "скучно" было, чтоб мозги работали "в TU сторону"... fool
  10. fartfraer
    fartfraer 27 August 2013 08: 31 New
    +2
    да..скоро Россия перестанет нуждаться в рабочих специальностях вообще.границы гастерам откроют и все.только кому нужна "нация управленцев"?хлебнет горя с этим сколково РФ еще не раз
  11. mak210
    mak210 27 August 2013 08: 37 New
    +1
    Universities are not to blame: they just satisfy demand, nothing personal, just business. Budget places for economist-lawyers are practically not given, only paid ones, so why not cry, let the professors earn. And engineers and technologists will begin to study when 25 million high-tech jobs promised by the president appear. Only applicants do not seem to believe much in this.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 27 August 2013 08: 38 New
      0
      budget places for lawyers are for sure.
      1. mak210
        mak210 27 August 2013 09: 20 New
        +2
        And I didn’t say no, but there are fewer of them than in previous years, and the USE scores tend to three hundred.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 27 August 2013 12: 34 New
          0
          entered by typing 186. with which it is quite calm
  12. andrei332809
    andrei332809 27 August 2013 08: 39 New
    +1
    it would be better if they thought up how to pull up the red chef in the near future. on some ropes
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 27 August 2013 14: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: andrei332809
      it would be better if they thought up how to pull up the red chef in the near future. on some ropes
  13. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 27 August 2013 08: 43 New
    +1
    Млин, да откуда же берутся такие "умники"? МОЗГ детям надо развивать: математика, физика, химия, литература и т.д., читать побольше... Тут просто, толкового паренька на место техника-технолога найти проблема, пришли по объявлению несколько "овощей", синус от косинуса отличить не могут, а ведь им с проекциями работать и с угловыми величинами.... Грустно.....
  14. basil200
    basil200 27 August 2013 08: 44 New
    +1
    It seems that in the skolkovo, they have read comic majors. And 30% without working youth are those who do not want to work. They immediately want to become either a director or a salary like that of a director or boss.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 27 August 2013 09: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: basil200
      It seems in Skolkovo work well-read comic majors.

      Here with the word WORK, you obviously got excited.
  15. lotar
    lotar 27 August 2013 08: 54 New
    +3
    At least two profitable business projects for some officials are already operating, Skolkovo and Rusnano. I wonder what will happen next?
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 27 August 2013 08: 58 New
      +8
      Putin’s fourth election will continue. People have been weaned almost to take information critically.
    2. Alez
      Alez 27 August 2013 12: 09 New
      +2
      ChubaTech, RosChub, NanoChub will appear.
  16. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 27 August 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    Judging by the monumentality of the research, I won’t be surprised if the development of nanotrosses for the forced return of the magnetic pole to the geographical one is underway in Skolkovo.
  17. 311ove
    311ove 27 August 2013 09: 01 New
    +4
    А вот есть идея - Скольково посадить на самоокупаемость и "хозрасчет" как с отраслевыми НИИ в 90-е.Отрезать госфинансирование,зарплаты как всем остальным преподам, ..... сколько продержатся??! Может и делом займутся.... А этого экономиста окружить кибердворниками и ГМО- агрономами, чтоб сидел при лучине и за ГМО картошечкой в поле пешочком,да лопаточкой,пардон,Сучочком- кто-ж ему лопату сделает?... angry wassat
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 27 August 2013 13: 00 New
      0
      Quote: 311ove
      А вот есть идея - Скольково посадить на самоокупаемость и "хозрасчет" как с отраслевыми НИИ в 90-е.Отрезать госфинансирование,зарплаты как всем остальным преподам,

      The idea is good. Peerless! Either they will start working, or they will go as ordinary janitors.

      "...за 750 тысяч долларов..."
      For a more modest reward, I can choose:
      1. Провести доходчивую лекцию по определению места "Сколково" в развитии науки, с показом этого места.
      2. Conduct a conversation with the staff of the institution about their role in the development of science. With a show and hands-on activities.
  18. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 27 August 2013 09: 02 New
    +1
    most likely having received a Western education, they stupefied there at the end, they need to be driven to the fields to collect spikelets
  19. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 27 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +1
    Abolish Skolkovo and Rusnano, give money to English scientists. At least the Shnobel Prize will be earned, or people will be amused. And it's a shame, nАnot money, no effect.
  20. Jarik56
    Jarik56 27 August 2013 09: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Ribwort
    Quote: Povshnik
    One conclusion: SKOLKOVO together with RUSNANO to disperse

    Руководителей, ответственных за результаты работ и "освоение" средств - посадить!

    If Chubais is not kicked out, then someone needs this!
  21. stroporez
    stroporez 27 August 2013 09: 15 New
    +2
    хотелось бы отчет сколковцев видеть в таком виде: денег получено --стоко то,сделано то и то,это нужно для того и того....а то чот "уловитель метеоритов" -эт непонятно что, не пойми о чем, прям как "русская интеллигенция"......
  22. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 27 August 2013 09: 19 New
    +1
    Ага и именно в Сколково надо теперьписать "научные" труды. Это даже не "распил" это что-то уже з теории заговоров, собрать научную элиту в одом месте ??? Множество академгородков сложно контролировать ?
  23. Fin
    Fin 27 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    It must be admitted that the study aroused interest, if only because its results cannot be called trivial.

    Interestingly, who caused this interest? The nonsense of a boy living on the net, but he seems to be an adult.
    Specialists of the LNA (Moscow School of Management) at Skolkovo undoubtedly conducted a unique study,

    And what is unique about that? Loafers came up with the names of professions, so what next?
  24. saag
    saag 27 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +1
    We already had it, Elbasy once appeared in the press that working specialties will not be needed, everything will be in 3D, he probably meant making everything and everything on 3D printers
  25. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 27 August 2013 09: 36 New
    +1
    По моему выражение:"в России большинство граждан с некоторым недоверием относятся к деятельности недавно созданных инновационных проектов, к которым относится и такая организация как «Сколково»" чрезвычайно мягкое и не выражает той гаммы чувств которые вызывают у людей слова и словосочетания:"Сколково,Чубайс,Нанотехнологии,инновационное развитие и т.д.".
  26. Isk1984
    Isk1984 27 August 2013 09: 53 New
    +1
    Here's how not to believe in the cyclical nature of the situation, the situation is upside, they don’t want, but the lower classes can’t, it just saves the situation in the country. The principle is that I don’t know anything from the edge, but patience comes to an end, it so happened that not everyone in the country is involved in I’ll divide the oil cake, the income from 10 to 20 thousand, you won’t make fun of them, and you have to pay the mortgage somehow, so there’s nothing to lose now .... As if someone didn’t, but we can’t avoid the revolution, so live it’s impossible or we’ll lose the country ...
  27. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 27 August 2013 09: 56 New
    +7
    <<<в России большинство граждан с некоторым недоверием относятся к деятельности недавно созданных инновационных проектов, к которым относится и такая организация как «Сколково»?..>>>
    Подозрения, возникшие с самого начала создания контор "Сколково", "Роснано", когда стало известно кто ими рулит, в последующем только укрепились, благодаря череде скандалов, когда немалые средства, выделяемые государством (свои у них никак не получается заработать - одни обещания в виде наукообразной лапши на уши) уплывали не по назначению: то 750 тыс.ам. дол. недоучившемуся лектору Пономареву, то 24 млн.руб.похитили...Так что все больше оснований считать, что эти конторы - прикрытие для фонда, использующего бюджетные деньги для финансирования "Пономаревых" т.е. болотной оппозиции! Да и создателю этих контор - бывшему президенту с его амбициями также деньги фонда понадобятся в его будущей компании за пост президента! Так что на деле получается, что никакими инновациями и нанотехнологиями здесь не пахнет, идет элементарный распил!
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 27 August 2013 11: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Goldmitro
      прикрытие для фонда, использующего бюджетные деньги для финансирования "Пономаревых" т.е. болотной оппозиции!

      I will give one more example. Who is financing the Echo_Moscow radio? The answer is Gazprom. And who is on the board of directors? Medvedev's subordinates - Zubkov for example. Although HZ who controls whom there - money by power or power by money bags.
      1. Hon
        Hon 27 August 2013 11: 29 New
        +1
        Aleksei Borisovich Miller (born January 31, 1962, Leningrad) [1] [2] [3] - Chairman of the Management Committee and Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gazprom. PhD in Economics
        Alexey Miller was born on January 31, 1962 in Leningrad. He studied at school-gymnasium No. 330 of the Nevsky district of the city of Leningrad.

        In 1984 he graduated from the Leningrad Financial and Economic Institute. N.A. Voznesensky.

        In the 1980s, he was part of the circle of Leningrad reform economists, whose informal leader was Anatoly Chubais; in 1987 he was a member of the Synthesis club at the Leningrad Youth Palace, which included young Leningrad economists and social scientists, including: Dmitry Vasiliev, Mikhail Dmitriev, Andrei Illarionov, Boris Levin, Mikhail Manevich [5], Andrei Lankov, Andrei Prokofiev, Dmitry Travin and others [6].

        1984-1986 - engineer-economist of LenNIIIIproekt;
        1986-1989 - graduate student of LenNIIIIproekt;
        1990 - Junior Researcher, LenNIIIIproekt;
        1990-1991 - work in the Committee on Economic Reform of the Executive Committee of the Leningrad City Council;
        1991-1996 - work in the Committee on External Relations of the St. Petersburg Mayor's Office: head of department, deputy head of department, deputy chairman of the committee (the chairman of the committee was V.V. Putin).
        1996-1999 - Development and Investment Director of OJSC “Sea Port“ Saint Petersburg ””.
        1999-2000 - General Director of the Baltic Pipeline System OJSC.
        2000-2001 - Deputy Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 27 August 2013 14: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Zerstorer
        And who is on the board of directors?
  28. crossbow
    crossbow 27 August 2013 10: 20 New
    0
    I don’t know about you, to me personally this Skolkovo resembles the well-known hero of one work of the Russian classic lieutenant Kizhe, with all the ensuing as they say ...
  29. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 27 August 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    Там много кого надо определить в кибер-дворники и отправить тайгу подметать. В 30 годы большинство осужденных проходили по статье "растрата гос. средств". Я против введения тех методов, писанины доносов и пр. НО(!!!) должен быть ответственный исполнитель, который если не головой, то своим кошельком отвечает за проект. Не уложился в срок, наобещал молочных рек с кисельными берегами и лучами смерти, а сам не выполнил - изволь отвечать.
  30. solomon
    solomon 27 August 2013 10: 31 New
    0
    "Skolkovo" market researchers put such experts as the first in the coming popularity cyber janitor, meteorologist, family trajectory developer, start-up mom и GMO agronomist...

    Или мы далеки от науки для понимания этих вещей, или "наука" слишком отдалилась от людей.
    Most likely the second.
  31. RussianRu
    RussianRu 27 August 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    V. Mayakovsky; -All the work is good, let me teach.

    Работу надо выбирать по душе, а не порекомендациям. Оплата работы должна быть примерно равной во всех областях деятельности. Тогда и безработных меньше будет. А эти хренотени, что говорят? Роботы? А кто нибудь у нас ведет разработку робототехники? Какое там, через 7-8 лет? Разогнать к х... собачим этих "мечтателей-инноваторов" и "теоретиков-нанонистов". Специалисты-практики нужны, вот на них все и держиться. Теоретики-мечтатели? А с них как с гуся вода, отмазку всегда найдут, кто виноват.
  32. Ulan
    Ulan 27 August 2013 10: 45 New
    +1
    Погодите Сколково еще и приватизируют.Вон главный приватизатор Чубайс намылился "Роснано" приватизировать и Сколково ждет та же участь.
    Пора создавать госкорпорацию "РосРаспил".Будет иметь бешеный успех в определенных кругах.
  33. zvereok
    zvereok 27 August 2013 10: 58 New
    0
    You can’t be sure about the old-up-mom, but Pavel Luksha is trying to master the profession of cyber courtyard, as they say here and now: he is actively involved in adjusting the reputation of the organization called Skolkovo
    Well, and you are all bots, but footcloths are quite respected people, they lick your tongue. Dad, deputy, city council, mom is an official in the same city, son is a cyber janitor, tells how we all live well under the laws of EP.
  34. USNik
    USNik 27 August 2013 11: 20 New
    +3
    "Skolkovo" market researchers put such experts as the first in the coming popularity cyber janitor, meteorological engineer, developer of a family development path, start-up mom and GMO agronomist ...

    Мегаидиоты с Нанотолием во главе на полном серьезе думают, что инженеров, сварщиков, врачей, учителей заменят "инженеры космодорожники, специалисты по киберпротезированию, проектировщики биороботов, тайм брокеры, биофармокологи, сетевые врачи, прорабы вотчеры, виртуальные адвокаты и урбанисты-экологи"!? Сколково снести, всех британских ученых оттуда на переквалификацию и к станку, Медведева и Нанотолия отправить в помощь кибердворникам или к киберлесорубам в нановаркуту.
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 27 August 2013 14: 25 New
      0
      Unfortunately, there is no forest in Vorkuta, but in the winter the cyber wipers clean the tundra from the snow and make water supplies is only for)))))))
  35. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 August 2013 11: 47 New
    0
    Quote: JonnyT
    the author of this study was conceived on the Internet. Robotics can replace a person in 80 years. And who will make the robots? Cyber ​​wipers ???? Skolkovo - an organization simulating scientific activity !!! In fact, they just saw the budget

    Они пилят, затем судебные заседания с "частичным удовлетворением". Не навивает скуку:Гагаринский суд Москвы частично удовлетворил иск фонда "Сколково" к депутату Илье Пономареву, взыскав с него 2,728 миллиона рублей. "Сколково" хотел взыскать с народного избранника девять миллионов рублей за прочитанный им краткий курс лекций..., [b] although they paid him: [/ b]По мнению следователей, бывший вице-президент "Сколково" Алексей Бельтюков, в отношении которого возбуждено дело о растрате, незаконно передал Пономареву 750 тысяч долларов из средств фонда. В заявлении СК говорилось, что в рамках уголовного дела будет тщательно изучена тематика, содержание и научная ценность десяти лекций депутата., - [b] but you should probably forget about it, as in the case of Serdyukov and K. .... [/ b]
  36. fedorovith
    fedorovith 27 August 2013 11: 57 New
    0
    Skolkovo nursery of liberoid ideas and the breeding ground of all anti-Russian organizations financed from the budget under the guise of the development of breakthrough research in the collapse of the country.
  37. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 27 August 2013 12: 12 New
    +2
    stupidly close.
  38. lelikas
    lelikas 27 August 2013 13: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Smac111
    So much money wasted

    I joked yesterday that they are developing a corrupt official’s robot - but it’s almost guessed ...
  39. Horde
    Horde 27 August 2013 14: 16 New
    0
    it is, and you thought?
  40. Lk17619
    Lk17619 27 August 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    Грустно это все..... Сегодня Сколкино, завтра Нано.. какое нибудь, эти миллиарды в образование (школы,кружки, пту, институты и т.д.) через 5-7 лет у нас столько бы спецов появилось, что никаких "скольково" не надо было бы. Наука, технологии бы двигались бы семимильными шагами, и никаких забадных и корейских технологий бы не надо было.
  41. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 27 August 2013 14: 52 New
    0
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    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 27 August 2013 15: 05 New
      +1
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  42. Savva30
    Savva30 27 August 2013 15: 02 New
    0
    If you believe those who conducted this study, and if you believe that it was done at all, then today’s schoolchildren after receiving a certificate need to choose professions that are not familiar to today. Skolkivtsi call for abandoning the idea of ​​obtaining a legal and economic education, they question the idea of ​​getting a classical engineering specialty, those who are going to work as a postman, journalist, travel agent, engineer, seamstress, accountant, traffic police inspector or lecturer are completely obstructed ... But in the first place in terms of future popularity, “Skolkovo” market researchers put such experts as a cyber yard, a meteorologist, a developer of a family trajectory Vitia, start-up, Mom and GMO-agronomist ...
    THEY THAT SMOK THERE ???
  43. Snoop
    Snoop 27 August 2013 16: 16 New
    0
    Some insanity, not research. Although I myself was initially convinced that all of these nano nuno for the development of budget funds in personal interests.
  44. spirit
    spirit 27 August 2013 16: 21 New
    0
    I happened to be at this Skolkovo miracle). I will not describe in detail how it is and what, I will tell you only one funny case):
    One day, one of the BOSSES arrived) with an inspection, and asks:
    - why the walls are not ready, bare concrete!
    And they say to him:
    -No no everything is ready, this is a new trend, Milanese design fellow
    Here they are innovations)))) In general, Hochma laughing
    "готовые"Стены на фото
  45. gameover65
    gameover65 27 August 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    If you believe those who conducted this study, and still, if you believe that it was conducted at all, then today's students after receiving a certificate should choose professions that are not familiar today. Skolkovtsy urge to abandon the idea of ​​obtaining legal and economic education, they doubt the idea of ​​obtaining a classical engineering specialty, complete obstruction of those who are going to work as a postman, a journalist, a travel agent, a machinist, a seamstress, an accountant, a traffic police inspector or a lecturer ... But on the first places in the future popularity of "Skolkovo" market researchers put such experts as cyber warden, meteoenergetic, the developer of the family trajectory of Vitia, start-up, Mom and GMO-agronomist ...


    and what else to expect from the head of the red hell ?!
  46. Vtel
    Vtel 27 August 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    The Veksel-Skolkovo and NANO-CHUB power-saw benches are clearly with an import bias and are working on cutting folk money in favor of the starving ruling pro-Western liberal elite.

    GDP:
    "Анатолий Борисович Чубайс остаётся такой нужной очень для нас фигурой, на которую постоянно общественное мнение отвлекается, когда что-то не нравится..."
    "Там много всего смешного. Например, в окружении Анатолия Борисовича в качестве советников, как выяснилось сегодня, работали кадровые сотрудники ЦРУ США."
    "Теперь по поводу ответственности. Они ведь сами сказали о том, что разместили деньги неэффективно. Я отслеживаю, конечно, что там происходит, сегодня они сами указывают на убытки в объёме 2,5 миллиарда рублей. Деньги, конечно, немаленькие. Можно ли в этой сфере безошибочно, копейка…
    Я совершенно не собираюсь защищать Чубайса."

    And this is about Skolkovo:
    "Порядок там будет соблюдаться такой же, как и в проектах подобного рода. Мы внимательно будем следить за тем, как расходуются деньги — куда они направляются, на какие цели. Уверен, что никакого разворовывания там никто не допустит"

    In general, everything is in a bundle and under their control, money is not stolen, but redirected.
  47. komendor
    komendor 27 August 2013 17: 09 New
    -2
    Hello. I read comments and imagine smart people just as long ago as you swore at the first e-bulbs, at the first steam locomotives, cars, how you put the steps on the T-34, scolded helicopters, computers and ekranoplanes and remember how much was ridiculed about cell phones and not understood a lot of ideas sometimes incredible that we use today.
    I think that these ideas will again be used somewhere in another country and our grandchildren will use this.
  48. DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 27 August 2013 17: 29 New
    +1
    Сколково - это громадный очередной проект по отмыванию денег чиновниками и иже с ними. Прежде всего, надо иметь в виду, что существует там, как минимум 3 организации, котор. активно "пилют". Это "Фонд строительства "Сколково", это непосредственно сам Фонд "Сколково" и школа управления. Школа управления - это одно здание. Фонд стрительства за 5 лет построил, несмотря на многомиллиардные вливания, 1 квадратное уродливое сооружение, котор. почему-то называют "Суперкуб". ДАМ там хотел делать какой-то чемпионат мира среди детей по шахматам, в общем "нью Васюки" да и только. Были приглашены со всего мира какие-то полуголубые горе архитекторы, котор. опять же за бешеные деньги налогоплательщиков (нас с вами) нарисовали идиотские эскизы, котор. не являются проектами не в коей мере. Т.е. отмыли опять. На выходе - 0. Сейчас речь идёт о дополнительном финансировании. ВВП упёрся и денег ДАМу больше не даёт. Место там козырное - расчищенное поле возле МКАД, вокруг элитные котеджи, киевская и минская магистрали в непосредственном соприкосновении. Чувствуется Вексельберг под занавес продаст все эти сотки таким же толстосумам и все потуги на счёт "Иннограда" тихо сойдут на нет...
  49. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 August 2013 17: 41 New
    0
    У нас в СССР были экранолёты и экранопланы где они. НЕТ ДЕНЕГ. 6 тыс. секретных патентов пропало в 90-е годы, догадываетесь куда. Несмотря не на что в стране остались учёные и изобретатели на их разработки НЕТ ДЕНЕГ. Правда их сейчас добивают постепенно "реформами". В руководстве страной нужны умные и талантливые люди, а не "эффективные менеджеры", задача которых урвать кусок побольше и уехать за бугор. Вот тогда Россия показала бы миру на что она способна. А Сколково это чиновничий заповедник.
  50. washi
    washi 27 August 2013 17: 42 New
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    GDP immediately, even or already as prime minister, opposed Skolkovo. He continued to support the Academgorodoks and universities near them.
    Skolkovo is a money laundering and money laundering project. Like Rusnano. Not a single breakthrough project has ever existed. But real breakthroughs, some even showed on DTV, are slowed down.
    Skolkovo was created to control our science and draw minds from it to the west
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 27 August 2013 18: 54 New
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      вася,посмотрите коменты яросвета и расскажите нам как был против президент.он мог (имел полное право) свернуть эту шарагу к чертям,однако "воз и ныне там".хотеть(или говорить что хотеть) и делать(имея все возможности) абсолютно разные вещи
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 27 August 2013 20: 40 New
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      Quote: Vasya
      GDP immediately, even or already as prime minister, opposed Skolkovo.
      Can you link?

      Like Rusnano.
      N 139-FZ of 19.07.07/XNUMX/XNUMX, like the appointment of Chubais, was signed by Putin.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 27 August 2013 21: 29 New
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        A small mistake was made - not Chubais, but his deputy for RAO UES - Melamed.