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Appeal Khabarova L.V. to the citizens of Russia

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Hello, dear citizens of Russia!



Thank you all very much for supporting and supporting me at this difficult time for me - the period of my existence.

I bring to you the results of the last Supreme Court.

In the course of the process, somewhere closer to the middle of the court, it became clear that everything was already predetermined.

The court was absolutely not interested in what we and our colleague in public activities Kralin VS, our advocates - lawyers, oppose to the absurd charges in the investigation materials and rewritten into a conviction, in the trial protocol by the persons of the Sverdlovsk Regional Court.

The presiding judge interrupted, stopped, even in the “last word”. Although the material presented was directly related to the criminal case.

Especially negatively, the presiding judge reacted sharply when I cited facts of falsification by persons of legal proceedings of the Sverdlovsk Regional Court, as presiding judge Meledin D.V. and state prosecutor Abashev D.T., the facts of their personal interest in the results of the proceedings.

Our evidence of the worst and criminal violation of the Law by the FSB investigator PA Lukichev. and these persons of the Sverdlovsk Regional Court, all of these specific facts are absolutely not interested in the Supreme Court.

Why, then, was this farce only played during the court sessions taking place over the course of 8 months? If during the course of the trial, according to the results of court management, one thing was said and recorded, but sent to a higher instance - the Supreme Court - is completely different. The information is clearly accusatory towards defendants, blocking vile provocations, incitement, staging - the criminal acts of two provocateurs - Gorbachev OS, Botnarya I.I. and the investigator of the FSB, Lukichev PA, fabricated this fake case.

In spite of the fact that in our objections to the Court Records sent to the Sverdlovsk Regional Court and the Supreme Court, we indicated that we have authentic recordings of all the speech information of the court hearings, showing irrefutable evidence of falsification of the Court Records - material evidence, which - no reaction from the Supreme Court.
Only the Supreme Court treated this information with complete contempt and delivered its guilty verdict on the court proceedings filed by the officials of the Sverdlovsk Regional Court.

Still, somewhere in my heart, I hoped that the Supreme Court - the guarantor of the observance of the Law - would fairly understand the essence of this criminal case.
But, as people say in our people: “What priest is the parish”, “who has the power, the power - he is right”.

Which once again confirms that in Russia the Law is being implemented extremely selectively, and, basically, in the interests of those who by and large flout the Law.

And where the Law is not being fulfilled, there is no need to talk about some kind of civil society. Society begins to turn into a big “thieves raspberries”. In prisons are those who steal small things. And who are the billions - sit, I apologize, are under house arrest or are sitting ... with the blessing of the roof of the whole corruption process.

With bitter irony, I repeat the words of President Putin that he uttered at a meeting with his 10.12.12 trustees: “It’s impossible to pass the decisions of the courts because we are convinced that the person committed the crime, but could not gather evidence,” 37 year.

For information - Statistical documents of the Supreme Court. 1937 year - the peak of Stalinist repression: acquittals - 10,3% ≈ 1: 9-10 (each 9-10 was acquitted).

2010 year (rampant triumph of democracy): acquittals - 0,5%. And without taking into account the court with the participation of jurors = 0,065% ≈ 1: 200, which emphasizes the extremely accusatory trend in the activities of the courts.

It remains to ask President Putin what he meant by the words “let's roll in 37 year”? In which direction we roll? Is it good or bad?

We tried to openly, legally and legally, at authorized rallies, speeches, call things by their own names, the specific perpetrators of the created lawlessness.

But, we have convincingly proved that we are wrong.

For the third year we are paying the price for such a rash act.

Okay, I, and my colleague, fellow social activist Kralin VS, a scientist, inventor of world renown, who gave his inventions savings to the state in the billions of dollars in cash, sits just as much for refusing to sign protocols with false accusations against me .

DO NOT REPEAT OUR MISTAKES!

Another moment from which to live is sick.

Did I ever think that I would live to the point where the Americans would publicly wipe their ass with the banner of Russia - a symbol of the state?
Would anyone try to do this with the banner of the Soviet Union. Yes, no one would have thought of it, this is tantamount to suicide.

State security out of the ground would have got it.

And he was calmly allowed to fly to his place in America. And where is our state security, which has turned into the security service of Chubais and Co.?

Where is our law enforcement system, which has turned into a defense force?

They spent all their fervor, cracking down on inspirational patriots and their families.

Where is the head of state, with the banner that his “strategic partners” adore?

Where is the voice of the public, to give this cattle, to conduct a trial over him in Russia?

I remember the early childhood, the talk of front-line soldiers. When one tells the other that he thought THEN, that he would live to the time when he regretfully remembered a bullet that flew past or a fragment.

I was surprised and did not understand the meaning, the meaning of these words. And how close and clear it is now.

And it's not about me.

I would not hesitate for a second, I would give my life to wash the blood of this bastard with shame - American shit from the state flag - the face of Russia.

I am ashamed that I am a citizen of a state that allows me to treat myself like toilet paper.

19.08.13. L.V. Khabarov
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 August 2013 07: 31 New
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    What a bastard (the word bastard can be deleted, because I’ll write syllables in syllables) minus set, just like that and not otherwise. Let at least someone say that Khabarov is wrong. Those who defend power and Putin are simply without brains. Why Khabarov was imprisoned, and Navalny was released, because Navalny was a Kremlin project. Khabarov is an honest and decent Patriot, and such in our country do not have the rights and protection of the law. They are leaders, and therefore they plant them because they are afraid.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 August 2013 07: 53 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      They are leaders, and therefore they plant them because they are afraid.

      This Khabarov’s letter is a brilliant answer to the following article by Polyakov. There are people who can and should be allowed to power. But who will allow such? They will immediately restore order!
      1. denisey
        denisey 24 August 2013 08: 06 New
        +5
        Speeches at Bolotnaya showed how those in power got everyone with their fat-living and inattentive attitude towards the people. the rabbit is fat, it's time to cut it.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 24 August 2013 08: 59 New
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          The fate of Kvachkov, Khabarov and the unsinkability of Chubais, Serdyukov, and Medved indicate that we have occupying power.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 24 August 2013 12: 44 New
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            Quote: Nikolai S.
            The fate of Kvachkov, Khabarov and the unsinkability of Chubais, Serdyukov, and Medved indicate that we have occupying power.

            And the fate of Rokhlin and Ilyukhin?
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 24 August 2013 13: 54 New
              +8
              Alexey is not his thoughts. I am sometimes amazed how people like Ilyukhin held such high positions. How could people like Kvachkov, with his experience as a scout, shout like that ... is this a scout-saboteur strategy?
              I watched the video with interest, but some episodes simply negate the main idea of ​​this "tribunal".
              behaved like in kindergarten
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 24 August 2013 14: 38 New
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                Quote: Gleb
                tokens are not his thoughts.

                What difference does it make or not him. If he expresses them, then he agrees with them. Here the essence is important.
                Quote: Gleb
                how could people like Kvachkov, with his experience as a scout, shout like that ... is this a scout-saboteur strategy?

                Their opponents are also not made with a finger.
                Quote: Gleb
                but some episodes simply negate the main idea of ​​this "tribunal".
                behaved like in kindergarten

                Not understood. Throughout the entire video, Ilyukhin acts alone.
              2. Uhe
                Uhe 24 August 2013 17: 59 New
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                Many things remain behind the scenes for us, therefore such a false impression of a kindergarten is created. Maybe someday the whole picture will become complete, but it all depends on who wins, because the winners write the story.
                1. Cadet787
                  Cadet787 25 August 2013 23: 51 New
                  +1
                  Uhe.I agree!
            2. Troitsky
              Troitsky 24 August 2013 16: 06 New
              +1
              I wonder where these clowns were when the USSR fell apart? Why did they only activate before the 2012 presidential election? Or when the Union cracked at the seams, did they care?
              1. Airman
                Airman 24 August 2013 17: 21 New
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                Whatever we say now, but our descendants will call the time from 11.03.1985/XNUMX/XNUMX to ........ for some time either the time of GREAT TROUBLE or the TIME of GREAT TRADEMARK, everything will depend on us and you, or we will estimate temporary workers, or they will sweep away Russia.
              2. little man
                little man 24 August 2013 22: 08 New
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                Yes, to hell with them, the current scumbags.
                I watched live as the GKChP acted. They tried to save the union. But they didn’t do it, they didn’t do it. Hands trembling, voice .., but how against the top of the Masons to pound? here anybody gets sick.
                And all - the people jumped into democracy.
          3. Kite
            Kite 24 August 2013 14: 13 New
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            Why Chubais is still alive and not even sitting, besides, the only assumption is that they will call the process 1200% political, and he himself, with universal scorn, does not want to shoot himself. Serdyukov is not sitting, but not free. Maybe it’s such a sophisticated torture, I’ve gotten a lot of money, and don’t get away with it, don’t use it here, just sit there and yourself .. Put it in if you don’t want to return it in a good way. Who knows where and how he spends his days now? Tell me!
            And the poor fellow Kvachkov is sorry that in his old age he became violent, his mind became clouded, and he began to speak for a military coup. I understand the reasons, subtle psyche, long service with full dedication under constant stress, but such calls -? This is not right, unacceptable! These are multimillion-dollar victims and the disappearance of the country! Our entourage ("friends") will not miss the moment this time, they will definitely do it!
          4. baltika-18
            baltika-18 24 August 2013 15: 38 New
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            Quote: Nikolai S.
            The fate of Kvachkov, Khabarov and the unsinkability of Chubais, Serdyukov, and Medved indicate that we have occupying power.

            And is Putin the head of the occupation administration? Or how?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 24 August 2013 15: 47 New
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              Quote: baltika-18
              And is Putin the head of the occupation administration? Or how?

              Hi Nikolay! Logically, it is! laughing
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 24 August 2013 17: 49 New
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                Quote: nycsson
                Hi Nikolay! Logically, it is!

                Hi, Alexei! Naturally, it’s somehow strange. The whole administration is occupational, and he is white and fluffy. We would have thought that they were talking nonsense. laughing
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 24 August 2013 19: 29 New
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                  Quote: baltika-18
                  They would have thought that they were carrying nonsense.

                  The fact of the matter is that there is nothing to think about. In Russia, 15 liters of pure alcohol per person 1 are consumed per year !!! With the use of 8 liters, the nation is degrading. What to think? I’m generally silent about drugs. 8 million addicts. The mind is incomprehensible. hi
                  1. FATEMOGAN
                    FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 20: 09 New
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                    Quote: nycsson
                    That's just the point that there is nothing to think


                    Are you talking to yourself, or about all the citizens of Russia?
                    1. sashka
                      sashka 25 August 2013 04: 45 New
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                      Quote: FATEMOGAN
                      Are you talking to yourself, or about all the citizens of Russia?

                      Boy, don’t bother yourself .. Just Russians speak among themselves ..
                      1. FATEMOGAN
                        FATEMOGAN 25 August 2013 13: 07 New
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                        Quote: Sasha
                        Boy, don’t bother yourself .. Just Russians speak among themselves ..


                        Listen, Alexandra, such arguments I heard the last time 300 years ago, in a sandbox, so let the dustpan out of your mouth and go to the potty.
                    2. nycsson
                      nycsson 25 August 2013 11: 49 New
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                      Quote: FATEMOGAN
                      Are you talking to yourself, or about all the citizens of Russia?

                      I'm talking about those who consume more than 8 liters of alcohol per year. Well and, of course, about drug addicts.
                      1. FATEMOGAN
                        FATEMOGAN 25 August 2013 13: 20 New
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                        Quote: nycsson
                        I'm talking about those who consume more than 8 liters of alcohol per year. Well and, of course, about drug addicts.


                        That alcoholics and drug addicts cannot live normally and think this is understandable, I would not argue about this contingent, but you spoke so about people on this forum who support our president ..

                        Quote: baltika-18
                        And is Putin the head of the occupation administration? Or how?


                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Hi, Alexei! Naturally, it’s somehow strange. The whole administration is occupational, and he is white and fluffy. We would have thought that they were talking nonsense.


                        Quote: nycsson
                        The fact of the matter is that there is nothing to think about.


                        It’s just ugly, so forum users, and people who voted for Putin, scum, just because their opinion does not coincide with yours.
                      2. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 August 2013 16: 17 New
                        +5
                        Quote: FATEMOGAN
                        The fact of the matter is that there is nothing to think about.

                        Yes, I wrote it and I do not refuse my words. I explain: the Russian people were practically drunk. We have 8 million drug addicts. With these words, I did not want to offend anyone from the members of the forum, since here, in my opinion, the active part of the Russian population is not indifferent to the fate of our homeland. And I addressed these words to those who drink and prick in this situation. hi
                        Quote: FATEMOGAN
                        It’s just ugly, so forum users, and people who voted for Putin, scum, just because their opinion does not coincide with yours.


                        Quote: nycsson
                        The fact of the matter is that there is nothing to think about. In Russia, 15 liters of pure alcohol per person 1 are consumed per year !!! With the use of 8 liters, the nation is degrading. What to think? I’m generally silent about drugs. 8 million addicts. The mind is incomprehensible.

                        Here is my first post. Which of the members of the forum did I insult in it or wrote something offensive? I didn’t say a word about Putin’s supporters and their votes in the elections.
                        PS Well, if someone fell into the category of heavy drinkers or drug addicts, then I repeat for you: you have no brains. And by your actions you contribute to the destruction of our country. So, stop drinking, smoking and injecting, start playing sports. If each of you does this, then our country will have a bright future!
                      3. FATEMOGAN
                        FATEMOGAN 25 August 2013 22: 17 New
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                        Quote: nycsson
                        Here is my first post. Which of the members of the forum did I insult in it or wrote something offensive? I didn’t say a word about Putin’s supporters and their votes in the elections.


                        I have already mentioned your dialogue with Baltic-18, in which you discussed the forum users in their faith in the president, in the context of which your phrase was said.

                        Quote: nycsson
                        PS Well, if someone fell into the category of heavy drinkers or drug addicts, then I repeat for you: you have no brains. And by your actions you contribute to the destruction of our country. So, stop drinking, smoking and injecting, start playing sports. If each of you does this, then our country will have a bright future!


                        And it’s hard not to agree with these, only here everyone decides what to take on his chest, a bottle or a bar, no one pours vodka by force. I don’t understand people who thump and at the same time talk about the genocide of the people by the authorities, someone forcibly forces someone to drink ??? anyone can be brought to power, but in the fact that it is anti-racial, on the basis that people voluntarily whip poison, as it were, to put it mildly, the height of cynicism. It’s so convenient to find on the side of the perpetrator of their weaknesses.
                      4. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 August 2013 22: 50 New
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                        Quote: FATEMOGAN
                        I have already mentioned your dialogue with Baltic-18, in which you discussed the forum users in their faith in the president, in the context of which your phrase was said.

                        Read more closely from the very beginning.
                        Quote: FATEMOGAN
                        I don’t understand people who thump and at the same time talk about the genocide of the people by the authorities, someone forcibly forces someone to drink ???

                        Then I completely agree with you!
                2. Dober
                  Dober 25 August 2013 14: 52 New
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                  Quote: nycsson
                  I'm talking about those who consume more than 8 liters of alcohol per year.

                  But you probably wondered why they do it, for what reasons and who allows them to do it. And is it not the task of the authorities to stop the destruction of their people in such and similar ways? And it’s absolutely certain that all the levers of influence in power on those who benefit are!
                  Or apply methods that have ever been used anywhere.
                  Just do not need this existing power!
                  Not profitable. Neither from a political point of view, nor from an economic one. After all, hucksters who live on the sale of booze and hens (even for children) are lobbying for adopted (or not accepted) laws.
                  Conclusion-ANTINODAR power !!!
                  Another obvious fact. That's all, what to talk about next ...
                3. nycsson
                  nycsson 25 August 2013 16: 20 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Dober
                  Conclusion-ANTINODAR power !!!

                  Read my posts. It’s not for me to explain this to you! Explain better to others who still do not understand! hi
                4. Dober
                  Dober 26 August 2013 01: 07 New
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                  Quote: nycsson
                  Explain better to others who still do not understand!

                  I do not want...
                  "Blessed is he who believes ..." (c)
                  Why Я should dissuade them otherwise?
                  Make sure yourself ...
                  Or disappear from history forever ...
                  And we are with them. Tc "for kumpaniya" ...
                  It’s a pity ... Fools are taught and finished ...
                5. dmb
                  dmb 26 August 2013 09: 04 New
                  +2
                  And here you are probably wrong. If we do not tell the truth, then young people will only hear what the Fedorovs, Nosikovs and Starikovs are blowing into their ears. Of course, young people are not at all stupid (read the comments to this article, but if every day they blow in your ears about the evil ones " liberals "and the Great Sole Protector of the Orthodox people, then it even affects the weak heads. It would be naive to believe that all those on the site who are shouting about the raising of Russia from their knees by one single citizen receive a salary from Volodin or own 30% of the shares It’s just very convenient: to believe without thinking. Please note that when they have nothing to answer to our comments, they simply put downsides. This means our victory in the ideological dispute.
                6. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 26 August 2013 09: 46 New
                  +1
                  You cannot win an ideological dispute, because your ideology is reduced to the principle "I am stupid against Putin." If not, tell us what your ideology is and state the constructive.
                  Starikov and Fedorov explain everything in an accessible, detailed and logical way. You do not refute their theses, but write about the weak with your head, Gazprom and Volodin, and in general, about anything, because the main thing is to be stupidly against. Well yes, on thinking people calculated good .
                  Recruiting trolls on a hidden camera:
                7. dmb
                  dmb 26 August 2013 12: 11 New
                  +2
                  Gregory, Have you ever been Eugene, but with volts. If so, then explaining something to you is pointless for the reason I mentioned above. If not, then try to answer what kind of society your prophet is building, who owns the main means of production in this society, which, in addition to the slogans, the prophet did for you personally. If what he did for you personally includes: raising tariffs, transferring money not to state-owned enterprises, but to private banks, introducing standards for water and electricity consumption, the cost of gasoline, as in an oil-purchasing country, the monetization of benefits, the appointment of Serdyukov, Livanov and ministers. etc., then you are certainly a thinking person. True, most likely you still received money from Surkov, and now from Volodin.
                8. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 26 August 2013 13: 38 New
                  -1
                  Comprehensive answers to these questions are in the video of Fedorov and Starikov. And you, as a truly thinking person, could have guessed that.
                  Since this is obvious.

                  But, again, I did not hear the construct for some reason. It seems that writing garbage from post to post is your ideology)
                9. dmb
                  dmb 26 August 2013 13: 59 New
                  +1
                  No, after all, in a past life you were "Zheka-electric". Or you are his twin. One-egg. Tell me, do you have your own thoughts in your head? At the same time, I don’t remember that both gentlemen you mentioned tried to explain the listed "achievements" of power by someone else's benefit other than its own. Therefore, they delicately and bypass these issues. Maybe they told you, the lucky one, something during personal meetings, so share it with the people so that they, too, would be happy for themselves.
                10. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 26 August 2013 14: 42 New
                  -2
                  No, you still In vain you consider yourself a thinking person. What are the achievements, what are the benefits? What are you talking about? Who is the same electric?
                  You probably write this to me because you consider yourself a virtuoso wit, only, unfortunately, it all looks like a miserable bullshit) Do not be fooled)
                  What personal meetings?)
                  Are you sober
  2. sashka
    sashka 1 September 2013 00: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: nycsson
    I'm talking about those who consume more than 8 liters of alcohol per year

    So unfortunately to myself ...
  • Troitsky
    Troitsky 25 August 2013 20: 38 New
    0
    11 liters. Stat for 2012.
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 25 August 2013 21: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Trinity
      11 liters. Stat for 2012.


      Please disclose the source of your information.
  • DPN
    DPN 26 August 2013 22: 25 New
    +1
    For this, the authorities were soldering so that they wouldn’t think and drink, therefore Medvedev says that the people from the state *** what they will receive in this case were housing.
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 25 August 2013 05: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: baltika-18
    The whole administration is occupational, and it is one white and fluffy. We would have thought that they were carrying nonsense.

    This nonsense turns into logic, if at the head of the occupation administration managed to put our intelligence officer)).
    And that is characteristic, he has no connection with the Headquarters. Due to the lack of Bet)).
    1. Dober
      Dober 25 August 2013 15: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: ctepx
      at the head of the occupation administration managed to put our scout

      Sorry, Oleg. And who is "our scout"?
      If we are now talking "About the One about which it is not accepted to speak badly", then he is a scout - this is indisputable.
      And since a scout, it means that the fact of its disclosure is absolutely excluded.
      This means that the "BET" exists. And the connection is established.

      He is a SPECIALIST! And it is always pleasant to observe the work of a specialist. Only not to those in whose territory he "works".
      So whose intelligence is this TOT? Your?
      I don’t want to think that you are a "Free Mason" or someone who has joined them ... hi
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 25 August 2013 18: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Dober
        So whose intelligence is this TOT? Your?

        By logic, which is close to me)).
        Comrade Putin is our overseer in their Gauleiterism)). Which has already passed, as a result of a harsh struggle, into a new quality (like Peter the Great or Stalin at one time) and, yes, is talking with "free masons". From which we still have to shake off interest for using our treasury)).
        1. Dober
          Dober 26 August 2013 02: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: ctepx
          By logic, which is close to me)

          Oleg! Respected. Your logic is subject to criticism. And it’s very tough. Starting from the definition.
          Gauleiter - the highest party functionary national socialist German working party, who headed the regional organization of the NSDAP. / Wikipedia / (highlighted by me).
          If we admit in your words - "henchman for Gauleiterism", then already a discrepancy with the actions.
          What kind of "conversations" between Pyotr Alekseich and Vissarionich and the Zhiudomassons are mentioned by historians?
          Forget about interest for now. No one in history has ever succeeded in knocking out at least some slightest "percentage" out of rats. The primary task is to kick them out of Russia.
          Problem number 2 (futuristic) - to send outside the universe. Least -
          "Moon - New Promised"!
          Poster -
          "Give Lunar Zionism !!!"
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 26 August 2013 08: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Dober
          "henchman for Gauleiterism", then already inconsistency with the actions.

          On the contrary)). It's just that "they have" instead of the NSDAP - the so-called. "cosmopolitan liberalism". And in this sense Russia is considered by "them" as a region)).
          Quote: Dober
          What kind of "conversations" between Pyotr Alekseich and Vissarionich and the Zhiudomassons are mentioned by historians?

          Well, about Putin’s conversations with them, historians have no mention)).
          Quote: Dober
          No one in history has ever succeeded in knocking out any slightest "percentage" from the rat-man.

          For one simple reason)). Their only possible creditor is the Russian Empire in all its diversity, starting from the Military (Horde) times, when for the first time the Empire built on the power of the golden calf was crushed by the Warriors)).
          Therefore yes
          Quote: Dober
          The primary task is to kick them out of Russia.
  • partisanche
    partisanche 30 August 2013 22: 50 New
    0
    in my opinion, if my memory serves me, this scout served in East Germany (GDR) and she was a member of the Socialist Party. the bloc, that is, it was our ally, so he simply reported on his own?
  • elmi
    elmi 24 August 2013 21: 23 New
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    Still, somewhere in my heart, I hoped that the Supreme Court - the guarantor of the observance of the Law - would fairly understand the essence of this criminal case.
    But, as people say in our people: “What priest is the parish”, “who has the power, the power - he is right”.

    Which once again confirms that in Russia the Law is being implemented extremely selectively, and, basically, in the interests of those who by and large flout the Law.

    After the Shovinkova case, which was allowed to avoid punishment for murder, I stopped believing in the justice of the court: http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%E5%EB%EE_%D8%E0%E2%E5%ED%EA % EE% E2% EE% E

    9

    As the saying goes - Anna Shovinkova's mother is obviously warming her hand - the chairman of the election commission of the Irkutsk region Lyudmila Shavenkova knows how "fair elections" are held in our country, so the authorities cover their own.
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    The fate of Kvachkov, Khabarov and the unsinkability of Chubais, Serdyukov, and Medved indicate that we have occupying power.

    It is necessary for the presidency of a person in the format of Primakov, even Lukashenko.
    1. Dober
      Dober 25 August 2013 15: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: elmi
      After the Shovinkova case, which was allowed to avoid punishment for the murder, I stopped believing in the justice of the court:

      You are very patient, naive, trusting and kind.
      The case indicated by you is one of tens of thousands of others, and not the most revealing one. More precisely, as it is not regrettable to say, ordinary.
      Quote: elmi
      It is necessary for the presidency of a person in the format of Primakov, even Lukashenko.

      Primakov is frankly old and weak in health. And non-Russian.
      And dad will not go to the "Russian throne" for any promises. At home, although we revile him with all the western envious mongrels, he is ALIVE and (hopefully) HEALTHY.
      And in Russia he will be poisoned immediately after the inauguration. He doesn’t need it ...
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 25 August 2013 05: 28 New
    +4
    add all the ministers here - the oil painting will turn out ...
  • Anatolich
    Anatolich 24 August 2013 12: 57 New
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    Who was in the swamp? Nemtsov and associates? Sobchak? First of all, I would send these creatures away from Russia
    1. karbofos
      karbofos 24 August 2013 17: 32 New
      +6
      Anatoly must be sent but in Russia. we have many reserved-polar undeveloped places. circumpolar electorate (polar bears)
    2. Airman
      Airman 24 August 2013 17: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: Anatolich
      Who was in the swamp? Nemtsov and associates? Sobchak? First of all, I would send these creatures away from Russia

      As soon as I go to NIK and see that there is no name, no place of residence, I don’t vote for such people, because they may turn out to be "FRIENDS FROM BEHIND BUGR".
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 24 August 2013 17: 39 New
    -2
    Performances on the Swamp showed
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 24 August 2013 17: 46 New
      -2
      National Liberation Movement
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 August 2013 05: 45 New
      0
      Grishka100watt
      It's a shame that in the text of the video "Uprising against the USA" (6:12), in the word "changes", a grammatical error was made)).
    3. elmi
      elmi 25 August 2013 22: 08 New
      +4
      At first, I believed the speeches of deputy E. Fedorov who said that the external occupation rule was to blame for the troubles of Russia. That the head of the Central Bank does not allow lowering interest rates for the development of the economy, but now Putin’s person, E. Nabiulevna, has come to the post of head of the Central Bank of Russia and nothing has changed; interest rates have not decreased and everything has remained unchanged, I don’t lower as many hoped. Nabiulin comes out the west? My opinion is that the deputy Fedorov is trying to blame the failures of Putin’s rule on the external rule - that the West is to blame and the president is not to blame. Of course, Primakov is old, but I won’t believe that we don’t have people of this format. Lukashenko himself may not want to go to the presidency, as he understands that he will be ousted, or an accident, an illness ...
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 26 August 2013 07: 54 New
        -3
        Lukashenko is a strong man respected by the people with an impeccable reputation as a patriot. No need to braid it in your "clever" pouring slops.
        You insert the name of Lukashenko in your post, and the reader is led to this, although the very idea of ​​the post is stupid and destructive. And you know this, so I won’t argue with you, this is written for website visitors.
        1. elmi
          elmi 26 August 2013 08: 53 New
          +4
          Just don't hang me "other people's labels" with the same success I can blame you. I do not force anyone and do not impose my point of view, I only express my point of view, and the people will figure it out whether or not they agree. People in their pocket understands a successful government or not. The West "wipes its feet" about us, it has already reached that dwarf states "shit on us" I mean the Baltic states. ours lacks the spirit.
  • Vlad 1965
    Vlad 1965 28 August 2013 16: 14 New
    +2
    Excuse me, what kind of swamp? All of these chirikovs, Kasparovs, Germans and bulk? Don’t need a GIFT. Throw off some spin-nibbles to pile even more arrogant and venal on the neck?
    As they say, not everyone who softly spreads, cares that you will sleep sweetly ...
  • Prorox
    Prorox 24 August 2013 13: 35 New
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    Quote: Egoza
    They will immediately restore order!


    Keyword IMMEDIATELY, it is a pity in life this does not happen.
    I remembered my pioneering "A pioneer is always ready, and a sausage in 5 minutes"
  • S-200
    S-200 24 August 2013 20: 00 New
    +5
    Madame, you are delusional, like many exalted ladies from ... the same Yeltsin "a la 89-91."
    Your paratrooper hero is weak in mind for government activities!
    WHO handed it over ????
    to drive regiments into an attack is not something to manage the (semi) industrial region of a subject of the Russian Federation ....
    Alas, they (Kvachkov and Co.) - DO NOT!
    FOLLOW ORDERS - Yes!
    negative examples - LOTS ...
    I myself, from the age of 17 boys, in the boots of a military engineering path ...
    NOT lumps THEY with the mind these patriots of HEART ... ((
    BUT I rent hi before THEIR COURAGE and CIVIL POSITION!
    soldier I have the honor!
  • dark_65
    dark_65 25 August 2013 17: 48 New
    +5
    I wrote on the website and in the communities of the Airborne Forces on the mail, I wanted to organize the collection of signatures, ..... no one, just no one answered ...
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 August 2013 08: 13 New
    10
    Note all those who put cons do not comment on anything, because they are afraid, because they have no conscience.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 08: 34 New
      48
      Well, I put a minus. You can consider me a shameless coward, if you like. But I don't like many of his statements based on some kind of personal grievances. His article is just questions without trying to provide answers. What about user comments? Many in one branch are squealing with delight as Putin bent the Americans with Snowden, in another they hate him for flirting with "strategic partners"
      Khabarov, of course, is a patriot, no doubt, in many respects he is right, but he is too direct. And if someone believes that we have authoritarianism and if the president wants something, then everything will be fulfilled at once, then he is mistaken. We can’t even imagine what kind of adder is up there and how everything is tied up. Not everything in this life can be solved simply and simply by waved with a checker. We used to kill emperors with a snuffbox in the temple for trying to encroach on the privileges of nobles. And what is happening there is hard to imagine.
      Catching minus fellow
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 24 August 2013 09: 08 New
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        In your opinion, only because Khabarov is an honest and direct person, Patriot, should he be kept in prison? you seem to justify those actions of the authorities against him. What do you think it should be called?
        1. maxvet
          maxvet 24 August 2013 09: 17 New
          16
          Quote: vladsolo56
          In your opinion, only because Khabarov is an honest and direct person, Patriot, should he be kept in prison? you seem to justify those actions of the authorities against him. What do you think it should be called?

          In my opinion, lewerlin53rus simply explained its position, and you begin to ascribe to him the words that he did not speak.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 24 August 2013 09: 22 New
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            Where did you see. read the words that I attribute to him, and how I should understand in this case his justification for the power of the imprisoned Hero of Russia only for his convictions and for being the leader.
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 09: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          In your opinion, only because Khabarov is an honest and direct person, Patriot, should he be kept in prison?

          These are your speculations. Where have I voiced this? I am not a lawyer and have not read his case. Therefore, I can not judge the legality of the sentence.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 24 August 2013 09: 27 New
            23
            That's it, but it would be worth reading before putting a minus, his business was specially posted by his supporters on the network, and everyone can get to know him. Therefore, I write so sharply. If you are not aware of his case, then putting a minus and even more so supporting the actions of the authorities against him is at least not decent. To begin with, take an interest in who Khabarov is, his life path, then study all the materials of the case on which he was imprisoned, and only then draw conclusions and write comments.
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 10: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          In your opinion, only because Khabarov is an honest and direct person, Patriot, should he be kept in prison? you seem to justify those actions of the authorities against him. What do you think it should be called?

          sorry you read the case, do you know it thoroughly? !!!
          I don’t know, for example, I can’t say either yes or no on this issue, but your rudeness towards those who disagree with you made you get into an argument
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 24 August 2013 10: 35 New
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            Yes, I read, I repeat once again his case is posted on the network, for those who want to be able to study it, speak rudeness, but in your opinion it’s not rudeness to insult the Hero of Russia by getting into a dispute might also be interested in Khabarav’s case. I don’t even want to write further. you can think anything, but still find out first what kind of person Khabarov is, and look at everything that is in his case.
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            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 12: 55 New
              +8
              moderator, when you delete the comments, although somehow argue that the offensive in the phrase "there cannot be all the materials of the case"? !!!! am
              1. tungus-meteorit
                tungus-meteorit 24 August 2013 14: 33 New
                -10
                so here the moderators have been working for a long time at the US State Department, and therefore what is there to be surprised
                1. lewerlin53rus
                  lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 15: 05 New
                  +6
                  Quote: tungus-meteorit
                  here the moderators have long been working for the US State Department

                  Follow the bazaar am
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                3. CaptainBlack
                  CaptainBlack 25 August 2013 02: 01 New
                  12
                  Oh, you're right brother! I have been watching and participating in this "performance" for over a year. But I don’t want more. I'm retiring to-e-ben! Tired of reading nonsense. At first I thought it was really a site for the military, but it turns out that someone is very interested in our opinion ?! Opinion on all topics ... N_A-x-y-y, this garbage can be blacklisted !!! You can, smart guys, now minus at least kill yourself, brat-s-d-o-in-s-something !!! If only for the sake of decency the hoster was changed to a Russian one! Since we decided to "flash" the brains of the close-minded Slovians !!! I'd rather watch the film about Rurik again, M.N. Zadornova !!!
            3. a52333
              a52333 24 August 2013 14: 29 New
              -7
              In you, to a greater extent, hatred towards Chubais now speaks, and not common sense. The judge has a set of laws on the table. This is his Bible.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 24 August 2013 14: 57 New
                12
                a52333
                In you, to a greater extent, hatred towards Chubais now speaks, and not common sense. The judge has a set of laws on the table. This is his Bible.


                Oh, I beg you. In what interesting code of laws is there such a justification "to decide in favor of the plaintiff, since the plaintiff did not have a legal education and could not defend to know his rights"?
              2. Dober
                Dober 24 August 2013 15: 34 New
                +7
                Quote: a52333
                The judge has a set of laws on the table. This is his Bible.

                I don’t understand ... Is this good or bad? That the "Bible" lies, but dry facts should lie
                Just in case ... the Bible is for the most part and there are conjectures, rumors and assumptions. "deeds of bygone days, legends of deep antiquity" (C). This is confirmed by the sentences passed in cases like Kvachkov and Khabarov ...
                And also the pressure from the power holders who are not interested in strengthening the national identity of Russian patriots.

                Sorry, but I won’t read further comments. I foresee the same thing in them hi
                And all are right, and I agree with many!

                "How many times have they told the world ..."
                / I.A. Krylov /
                And -
                "In this country, sometimes you have to shoot an admiral to encourage others."
                / Voltaire. Writer, Thinker, Philosopher /
                The meaning is twofold. Choose for yourself - "admiral" = supreme commander, or "admiral" = Khabarovs ...?
              3. Airman
                Airman 24 August 2013 17: 02 New
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                Quote: a52333
                In you, to a greater extent, hatred towards Chubais now speaks, and not common sense. The judge has a set of laws on the table. This is his Bible.

                Law speak, it is the Bible! But how to understand the fact that together with the military ones I have 30 years of service, I cannot (have no right) to get a 2-room apartment, and s..ka Vasilyeva lives in a 13-room ONE? Does she have more merit? Yes, she "fought" in bed with feldmebel, and .......
                1. grafrozow
                  grafrozow 24 August 2013 21: 47 New
                  12
                  Quote: Povshnik
                  Law speak, it is the Bible! But how to understand the fact that together with the military ones I have 30 years of service, I cannot (have no right) to get a 2-room apartment, and s..ka Vasilyeva lives in a 13-room ONE? Does she have more merit? Yes, she "fought" in bed with feldmebel, and ...
                  ... and not a single word against the government, on the contrary, it is pleased with such power.
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              4. stroporez
                stroporez 25 August 2013 10: 47 New
                +9
                Quote: a52333
                The judge has a set of laws on the table. This is his Bible.
                for believers the Bible is a holy book ...... and shozh is for such a cunning judicial Bible which almost every moment is wiped
        4. michajlo
          michajlo 24 August 2013 12: 05 New
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          vladsolo56 RU Today, 09:08 PM
          Good afternoon, dear Vladimir! You are completely RIGHT!

          I’ll add on my own behalf, although my words are unpleasant for the patriots just like yours, but if the government is afraid and persecutes an honest person, only because HE is PATRIOT and is ready to sacrifice his name or life for HIS MOTHERLAND, then such occupational power in essence / not mind.
          People with life experience understand that such oligarch power is subconsciously afraid and always will be Destroy or intimidate true patriots!
          They are dangerous for her! Patriotism uses power only during military operations, when young soldiers and younger officers align their accounts for the stupidity and greed of politicians with their blood and secret collusion with the enemies of Russia.

          But true patriots are DANGEROUS, after all, they don’t hesitate to organize and come to the Kremlin and ask the Sons of the people, why do they behave like enemy agents or demand oligarchic power - to return power to their people!

          Well, such a logical end to the manifestation of patriotic feelings - this is a threat to those in power, their pensions and the accumulated wealth stolen from the common people.

          Therefore, we can all talk about our patriotism at the table in the kitchen, here on the VO website, on the Victory Day, but to manifest it without permission from above is UNLAWFUL against the anti-people’s power (in her opinion).
          As the saying goes, "every cricket know your six."

          But if the people will remain silent and demolish any little spit from the authorities in the face of the country's patriots, each of her next step will be more vicious and sadistic.

          And if the OMON fighters didn’t cripple the veterans of the army, then there will be this, the main thing is to beat one, two, weak pensioners and veterans, well and the rest will be SCARED and will climb into their kennels with unpaid utility bills.

          All the same, it is necessary to gradually move from words to deeds, starting each from himself, one only empty argument "is there life on Mars?" nothing in real life will change the PEOPLE.

          Sincerely, Mikhailo.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 24 August 2013 13: 12 New
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            All the same, it is necessary to gradually move from words to deeds, starting each from himself, one only empty argument "is there life on Mars?" nothing in real life will change the PEOPLE.


            It is useless. You can’t beat the whip with your butt. Until the external enemy destroys the system of power, the people will do nothing with it. There are no examples in the history of the opposite. But it must be understood that the destruction of power will not be done so that the people can take power, but in order to destroy the country and people. Of course, the Russian people are not accustomed to being reborn from the rubble of the state. But, as they say, how much rope do not curl ... Here is such a dilemma. And thinking. that people understand this, or instinctively feel, and therefore still rely on GDP, forgiving him all the shoals of power. Type the king is good with bad boyars. There is no such thing!
            1. Airman
              Airman 24 August 2013 18: 04 New
              +8
              Quote: alicante11


              It is useless. You can’t beat the whip with your butt. Until the external enemy destroys the system of power, the people will do nothing with it. There are no examples in the history of the opposite. !

              You're not right! The October Revolution, and not external forces, changed the power in Russia. And it depends on us how long this democracy lasts in Russia. So far we have no power around which the PEOPLE would consolidate, because possible leaders are either destroyed or rotted in prisons. But for now ...
              1. Prorox
                Prorox 24 August 2013 18: 28 New
                0
                Quote: Povshnik
                So far we have no power around which the PEOPLE would consolidate, because possible leaders are either destroyed or rotted in prisons. But for now ...


                Egypt, Syria is not an example of hunting in Russia to stir up, yes ...
                1. Airman
                  Airman 24 August 2013 19: 21 New
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                  Quote: Prorox


                  Egypt, Syria is not an example of hunting in Russia to stir up, yes ...

                  In Egypt, after the overthrow of Mubarak, and the election of a new president, they quickly came to an understanding of the perfect mistake. So everyone turned back. In 91, at the suggestion of a humpbacked one, EBN with two e ..... natik committed a sneaky conspiracy so that the people did not even understand what was the matter. The hangers-on and shifters quickly joined him. And in 93rd EBN simply shot the people's government.
                  1. FATEMOGAN
                    FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 20: 55 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Povshnik
                    In Egypt, after the overthrow of Mubarak, and the election of a new president, they quickly came to understand the perfect mistake. So everyone turned back


                    What was returned, the country is destroyed, the economy is killed, it is on the verge of a civil war, every day hundreds of people were killed in shootings between the police and the Islamists, and you say everything was turned back. Egypt is now facing bloody years and the fate of Somalia, do you want this for Russia? few Russians have been tidied up over the past century; or do you think that all means are good for achieving some ephemeral goals?
                  2. Prorox
                    Prorox 24 August 2013 21: 38 New
                    +3
                    Well, God with this Egypt, what is the same in Syria they kept silent the example is painfully vivid.
                    1. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 22: 56 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Prorox
                      Well, God with this Egypt, what is the same in Syria they kept silent the example is painfully vivid.


                      There are many examples, Syria has arrived as they say, and Iraq and Libya, where people die like flies every day, any similar scenario with whatever beautiful slogans are made will result in the collapse of Russia, so much so that the collapse of the USSR seems like a childish prank.
                    2. alicante11
                      alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 03 New
                      +6
                      And what is its clarity? The fact that Russia, China and Iran defy Syria and do not allow to deal with Assad? And who will defend Russia?
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 02 New
                +8
                You know, I would also like to think so. But the October Revolution dropped only the remnants of the already viable mechanism of tsarist Russia. The main blow was inflicted by external enemies - Germans and arrogant Saxons. It was he who destroyed the building of the Russian monarchy, and the Bolsheviks had already finished off its rudiment in the form of the Provisional Government and took power into their own hands. For comparison, look at the situation with the First Russian Revolution of the 1905 of the year.

                So far we have no power around which the PEOPLE would consolidate, because possible leaders are either destroyed or rotted in prisons.


                They will not be. They just won't let you arise and gain enough strength. The only option is a military coup. But can the stools do it? And do we need a coup from them, what can they give the people? Shoigu is a good campaigner, but also from the pack of oligarchs. maximum - also a "galley slave". And in the lower echelon of the division level, they will also be crushed, if someone comes forward, it is already impossible to raise the level of the army, there are too many extra ears.
                1. Dober
                  Dober 25 August 2013 15: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  The main blow was inflicted by external enemies - Germans and arrogant Saxons.

                  There will be no replicas about the arrogant Saxons. But the Germans, I would ask to expel. In addition to the bullshit smut that ensued after the collapse of the Russian Empire, they as a people did not have anything. You can’t say about the Judeo-Masons, who fed the Hitler Youth on Russian gold and strained him in revenge on Stalin, who prevented them from completely destroying the Russians.
                  And if we agree to consider Stalin the savior of the nation, then Hitler should be put next to him. As the last attempt of the German people to raise their national identity to the rightfully appropriate level.
                  Hitler is a puppet in the hands of the Masons. The puppet is suitable, lurking and schizoid, but bright and charismatic. What is needed now for all European nations planning their future existence, including and Russia
                  Well, if (the puppet) is INDEPENDENT, it’s very good. But this is impossible by definition.
                  Quote: alicante11
                  The only option is a military coup.

                  In my opinion, the option is not the worst. Here either the nation is "under the gun" or "derailed".
              3. CTEPX
                CTEPX 25 August 2013 07: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Povshnik
                The October Revolution, and not external forces, changed the power in Russia.

                Power in Russia was changed by the creation of the USSR on December 30, 1922.
                Prior to this, 1905 - the loss of part of the Far East (Japan), 1915 - the loss of Poland - parts of the Republic of Ingushetia (Germany), 1918 - occupation of the West, up to Rostov-on-Don (Germany), North (USA, Britain), South (Britain, Turkey), East - all the way to Lake Baikal (USA, Japan), Siberia (France (Czechoslovak Corps)).
                Do you think that what happened today in Russia will be different?
        5. Prorox
          Prorox 24 August 2013 13: 01 New
          11
          Minus for one simple reason, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN! In 1918, I think you are familiar with the consequences of the Civil War. Didn’t the white officers be patriots, honest and very direct, didn’t they want the best for the country, but what happened.
          In general, a strange logic, a group of people started a military coup for such a wall, and they were only condemned. Yes, it’s a shame to fail, but why not shift your flaws to others, and open letters cannot be called otherwise. To cover up their actions with the presence of Chubais and, to a lesser extent, not wealthy, maybe it was necessary for Commander Kvachkov (if involved) to approach the conduct of that special operation more professionally, maybe the situation would be different. Only the fact remains that you are preparing for an armed struggle, be prepared for death, and not just for prison.
          At the expense of crap and all the liberals in our country, the time has not yet come to throw in a landfill, and they knowing soy to take into account, they really want and are doing everything to repeat 1917, why should these creatures help.
          For example, the wisdom of the politician Stalin (he wrote already on the website) why the liquidation of Trotsky was carried out in 1940, they could have "simply" been shot in 1929, but not only expelled).
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 07 New
            12
            Quote: Prorox
            In 1918, I think you are familiar with the consequences of the Civil War.

            And you are familiar with the consequences of the "rule" of these figures. Starting with Gorbachev and ending .........?! The First World War, the Revolution and the Great Patriotic War are resting. If we sum up for all the countries of the former USSR.
            1. Prorox
              Prorox 24 August 2013 13: 22 New
              +3
              In your opinion, the upheavals since 1991 will not be enough, let’s go for a roaring duck with a roaring "The whole world in dust", so what if. Only I want to upset you to turn Russia into dust, and the Anglo-Saxons will improve their affairs by sifting through the dust from us.
              PS You posted a video, one question who authorized this tribunal?
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 29 New
                +8
                Quote: Prorox
                In your opinion there will not be enough shocks from 1991

                Of course not. Every day we can’t do without shocks. What is not the law is shock.
                Quote: Prorox
                let’s gully duck gully "The whole world is in dust", so what?

                What do you mean by the term "gulnem"? Explain ......
                Quote: Prorox
                I just want to disappoint you into becoming a trash Russia

                She has long been transformed into her! Is it really not clear. We are standing at the edge of the abyss. It's about not falling there.
                Quote: Prorox
                and the Anglo-Saxons will improve their affairs by sifting the dust out of us.

                You surprise me. Honestly. For a long time already sow. Give me at least one example where we have not taxed over the past 22 years.
                1. Prorox
                  Prorox 24 August 2013 13: 51 New
                  +2
                  The law prohibiting the sale of children, the law prohibiting officials from having accounts and shares abroad.
                  Army humor in the Union. But it would have been possible if these officers had planned, what would become of Russia and who would have shot at each other.
                  Bury RUSSIA-MATUSOE early and don’t push, only money and their equivalent are taken out, the value of our country is not materiality, spirituality. and we’ll stop it over time. The question is why mighty China still pays and does not give up?
                  The rearmament of the army, Syria.
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 24 August 2013 14: 11 New
                    12
                    Quote: Prorox
                    The law prohibiting the sale of children, the law prohibiting officials from having accounts and shares abroad.

                    Yeah! Bad example. Did we sell children? Wasn't it legalized. You probably meant the ban on the adoption of children by US parents. It was introduced because of the public outcry about the repeated deaths of our children in the United States. How many years they "traded", as you say, and nothing. And now they saw the light. The same can be said about banning accounts.
                    And what kind of examples are these? Just amazed. request
                    Quote: Prorox
                    But it would have been possible if these officers had planned, what would become of Russia and who would have shot at each other.

                    Did they really conceive a civil war? I doubt it.
                    Quote: Prorox
                    Bury RUSSIA-MATUSOE early and don’t push, only money and their equivalent are taken out, the value of our country is not materiality, spirituality.

                    Yes, no one bury her, except the current government. Spirituality speak. Probably from increased spirituality, we have about 8 million drug addicts. Probably from her, our people consume 15 liters of pure alcohol per year per capita. Probably our women do abortions from her. Probably from her we have rampant corruption. What spirituality are we talking about? Values ​​have long been substituted.
                    Quote: Prorox
                    The question is why mighty China still pays and does not give up?

                    Who does he pay? Even if he pays, he does not forget about himself. Its economy is growing by leaps and bounds.
                    Quote: Prorox
                    The rearmament of the army, Syria.

                    What rearmament? The program has already been adjusted. But those weapons and military equipment that enter the army in their current volume are not called rearmament.
                    Syria is a moot point. There is such a concept in control theory. as necessary, but not enough. What our government makes in Syria is necessary, but this is not enough for Assad to defeat.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 24 August 2013 14: 30 New
                      +1
                      How many years they "traded", as you say, and nothing. And now they saw the light. The same can be said about banning accounts.
                      And what kind of examples are these? Just amazed.


                      Why be amazed? Better late than never. You are simply given laws that are not "shocks". As you asked. Is the ban on LGBT propaganda a "shock" too? And the introduction in the early 2000s of the "simplified system" that brought small and medium-sized businesses out of the shadows = these are also laws. Matkapital, tax deductions for the purchase of an apartment, the allocation of land to large families, further to list?

                      Did they really conceive a civil war? I doubt it.


                      What were they up to? Or do you think that GDP would raise its hands or run away over a hill? Yeah, they’re waiting there, with a rope and soap. He would fight with teeth and claws. And he has more strength than the people. Stupidly more trunks in riot police and explosives.

                      Who does he pay? Even if he pays, he does not forget about himself. Its economy is growing by leaps and bounds.


                      Well, ours became 5 in the world. And she was in the ass after 90's.

                      What rearmament? The program has already been adjusted. But those weapons and military equipment that enter the army in their current volume are not called rearmament.


                      And what rearmament do you need? To rearm the whole army in a year? And at least there is power for this after 90's? Yes, and the oligarchs need to leave the yachts. After all, they cannot live without it. Kapitalizmus, damn it burned. And everywhere like that. Amers wrong? In their F-35, only the lazy did not go. And they have been cooking it for more than 10 years. And the point is 60 machines. But they have a printing press, but our oligarchs do not. That’s the whole difference.

                      What our government makes in Syria is necessary, but this is not enough for Assad to defeat.


                      Go awry, but if you look from the other side? The West also cannot Assad!
                    2. Prorox
                      Prorox 24 August 2013 15: 41 New
                      +3
                      If this is an adoption for you, I have no words, but the moment needed to be accepted was weighty and they were waiting for it (judging by the terms of adoption), what is more important is the introduction of several provisions in a single law, it is impossible to recall the honors and the rights were high
                      And you think foreign "partners" and the 5th column would sit and wait until this group of officers legitimately take power into their own hands. I doubt it for sure.
                      We have not started the Opium Wars, the Anglo-Saxons ate this Chinese dog and will appear more than once in the future, one of the reasons for the presence of Anglo-Saxons in Afghanistan. Where did these numbers come from this year? For example, I got drunk twice the New Year and the second. But to the belt of the Virgin and to the cross of St. Andrew of the First-Called queue is not spirituality (although I don’t know for you).
                      The problems of China, even if the Chinese themselves decide, is not the fact that they decide on this and want to be friends with us, but judging by your arguments, Russia gives everything up to a penny.
                      With a creak, but it’s coming and what patterns are not nice for you (only about the Mistral and Iveco, no need). And you need to infiltrate the Syrian war, and even regular troops, or just a nuclear bomb in America.
                  2. alex13-61
                    alex13-61 24 August 2013 17: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Prorox
                    why is the mighty China still paying and not giving up?

                    The Chinese no longer invest in US debt securities ... and they are slowly moving away from the dollar ...
                    1. Prorox
                      Prorox 24 August 2013 17: 34 New
                      +3
                      Tell the Chinese, otherwise they don’t know.
          2. a52333
            a52333 24 August 2013 14: 49 New
            +2
            + To you. Only, we are breaking your spears in vain. Personal insults that the oligarch privatized something there, but he does not, overshadows the ability to think.
            why do they behave like enemy agents or demand oligarchic power - to return power to their people!
            Straight seventeenth year. Now once again "take everything and divide". Just. And what can after that a new civilian start is on the drum. Once again, dear, legally or not.
            1. DPN
              DPN 26 August 2013 23: 22 New
              +2
              Serfdom seems to be the lot of Russia. And the laws only work for those who can hire very good (rich) lawyers.
          3. stranik72
            stranik72 24 August 2013 16: 14 New
            +8
            Are you sure that a coup d'etat was started, maybe the FSB really needed a new position or an increased prize, but I don’t see the effectiveness of this organization in protecting state security. So, for example, the activities of extremist terrorists in the Caucasus, that it has greatly decreased in recent years. And the activities of Serdyukov, and embezzlement, and betrayal in their own ranks, remember how the head of the department for work in the USA went to them at the same time, 3 years as his family lived there. So I don’t believe in the effectiveness and bias of our judicial system and the FSB.
          4. Egoza
            Egoza 24 August 2013 17: 01 New
            +9
            Quote: Prorox
            a group of people started a military coup

            You know, if THESE PEOPLE REALLY started a coup, then THEY WOULD FULFILL IT! And they just had criticism of the existing situation. But the criticism is constructive! With suggestions what needs to be changed, this is not a coup! That's just the authorities strange to listen to this criticism! They planted people. Or maybe it would be necessary to make at least something of what they proposed?
            1. Prorox
              Prorox 24 August 2013 17: 32 New
              +2
              Determine the forces and means of the operation to seize power in our country, and then compare with the alleged availability of these officers, they did not have the strength to seize power, the support of others for this initiative was taken into account, but this is not the point, how much will support, who will be against and what to do with those who are against killing (there are no forces or means to detain, protect and contain), since the main thing to name this event is to start, and how to get there. IT WAS ALREADY THIS!
        6. tungus-meteorit
          tungus-meteorit 24 August 2013 14: 31 New
          -9
          minus you too, don’t be so self-confident in your stupidity
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            2. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 24 August 2013 15: 38 New
              11
              I don’t give you a minus. But not because I don’t pass under your favorite word. I just, as a person brought up by the Soviet regime, parents, normal society, do not pass on to insulting people. You should not call others before, it would not hurt to look at yourself in the mirror. Once you see your essence with the application of your favorite word. Moderators would not hurt you to do it thoroughly.
              AND YOU A PERSONAL ADVICE:
      2. Moon
        Moon 24 August 2013 10: 13 New
        -2
        ... and for some reason the flag dragged. More stupidity than GB to engage in this chantrap, I can not imagine.
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 24 August 2013 13: 01 New
          +1
          Chu. Yes, substitute any other abbreviation instead of the KGB - what will change?
      3. krpmlws
        krpmlws 24 August 2013 12: 03 New
        +1
        I put you minus, but strangely, the rating of your post has not changed, why would it? am
      4. svp67
        svp67 24 August 2013 13: 05 New
        12
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Khabarov, of course, is a patriot, no doubt, in many respects he is right, but he is too direct
        And for this we are now being sent to prison? We have a cool democracy ...
      5. a52333
        a52333 24 August 2013 14: 21 New
        -9
        Correctly you say, according to Polyakov’s article, I also fought. We divide the minus in half. (your advantages). With all my HATE for Chubais, Nemtsov and other liberals (Kvachkov and Khabarov) they violated the law. And how GDP personally refers to this, it does not matter.
      6. stranik72
        stranik72 24 August 2013 15: 53 New
        +2
        "As the huntsman is, so is the tsar," a Russian folk omen. So get it from me.
      7. Flooding
        Flooding 24 August 2013 17: 11 New
        10
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Khabarov, of course, is a patriot, no doubt, in many respects he is right, but he is too direct

        If straightforwardness is Khabarov’s only sane fault, then he should not be imprisoned for 4 years, but in the president’s chair.
        Since when honesty and integrity have become vices?
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 25 August 2013 11: 41 New
          +3
          ever since they took power, as they were called above
          Quote: michajlo
          and ask the Sons of the people
          Toko since when did the Karazites-bloodsuckers begin to be called "the sons of the people" !!! ??????????? It is high time for the people to wash themselves in the Shoba, all this peeling has flown ...
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            2. Joker
              Joker 24 August 2013 11: 53 New
              +8
              vladsolo56

              Argue? Argue, but it is not necessary to move on to insults.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 24 August 2013 12: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Note all those who put cons do not comment on anything, because they are afraid, because they have no conscience.

      Have long been noticed. They have nothing to argue their cons. They have no facts. So it remains for them to set cons. For several years, the situation on the site has changed radically. People are starting to wake up. good
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 12: 54 New
        -2
        Quote: nycsson
        Have long been noticed. They have nothing to argue their cons. They have no facts.

        well, Mr. vladsolo56 also has few facts and arguments, "the main one who disagrees with me is stupid people"
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 04 New
          13
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Well, the facts and arguments of Mr. vladsolo56 are also not dense

          I did not mean his facts, but those facts that are more than abundant on the net.
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          "the main one who disagrees with me is stupid people"

          Of course, this is also impossible. It is necessary to respect the opinions of others. hi
      2. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 21: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: nycsson
        Have long been noticed. They have nothing to argue their cons. They have no facts. So it remains for them to set cons.


        You wrote your opinion, someone brought a counterargument, put a minus to you, because you strongly disagree, plus to your opponent, because I support his argument. They brought you a counter argument, why should I write a similar counter-argument next to me, if it has already been voiced ??? and then listen to you, getting you cons, some panties put, which after such dirty tricks in the corners shut.
    4. Basil123
      Basil123 24 August 2013 14: 34 New
      +3
      I read the matter ........ the question is the same for all of us, or if the patriot and your cause are right, then there are no questions for you? Of course the article could be retrained softer, but here I think a lesson for the future for revolutionaries request
      1. stranik72
        stranik72 24 August 2013 16: 22 New
        +4
        About the law for everyone is the same on "Echo of Moscow" recently, one of the journalists of the titular nation said about the Seligers hearings that those who sat there did not find their own chikatilo or breivik, and that someone remembered that this is an extremist statement and there are many what to say, if you wanted to organize or call for a coup d'etat, you could have found an article for a long time and also everything on the case, so what? There are no warnings, but you are the same law for everyone. That's the problem. what no.
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 21: 55 New
          +7
          Quote: stranik72
          About the law for everyone is the same on "Echo of Moscow" recently, one of the journalists of the titular nation said about the Seligers hearings that those who sat there did not find their own chikatilo or breivik, and that someone remembered that this was an extremist statement


          That's what the titular nation is, they can talk any nasty thing about the Russians ...

          And if you try to object, then immediately the stigma of the fascist will be glued.

          (unfortunately, a larger photo could not be pasted)
    5. little man
      little man 24 August 2013 21: 17 New
      +4
      Vladimir health!
      Yes minus ossified GDP.
      But it must be rightly noted that their number is reduced when compared with a couple of years ago.
      But I disagree on some points. Navalny is not a tenant, a prison or an accident is guaranteed to him, so personally I have certain sympathies for him. Yes, even if he is a fagot - I can’t baptize children with him ...
      Well, if he is a Kremlin mentor! Then, as my grandmother told me at the entrance, they play giveaways with us ??! That hell I will vote for Sobyan!
      PS I myself am for the Communist Party
      1. Troitsky
        Troitsky 24 August 2013 21: 47 New
        -6
        Well, at the expense of reduction, you exaggerated here. In my opinion, our number is growing.
        Although from your side I constantly hear that there are fewer of us and there are more of you, although I have been watching for a long time how people I know have changed their position in favor of GDP.
        1. little man
          little man 24 August 2013 22: 21 New
          +6
          Yes you sho !! And why would it? In the light of what is the latest good news?
          Here is chesslovo! would jump over to GDP under the flag. But religion does not allow! Wiki:
          2. Do not make yourself an idol ..
      2. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 22: 33 New
        -4
        Quote: man
        Yes minus ossified GDP.


        Gdpshniki, as I understand it, are fans of Russia's Gross Domestic Product, that is, patriots of the Motherland, and they just won’t minus them - that’s why it’s done !!! hi
      3. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 24 August 2013 23: 51 New
        -3
        Quote: man
        . Navalny is not a tenant, a prison or an accident is guaranteed to him, so personally I have certain sympathies for him. Yes, even if he is a fagot - I can’t baptize children with him ...

        You yourself, not "for the Communist Party", but "not that, not that" (I explain - this is what is between n ... and f ....). laughing
  • alexdol
    alexdol 24 August 2013 08: 25 New
    19
    vladsolo56 RU "What a bastard set a minus ..."
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    I completely share your opinion! Only at the moment there are already FOUR such "bastards"! What can I say here - apparently these are "Putin's" hangers-on, their brains are in the KEY! Regarding these courts / the trial of Kvachkov and Serdyukov / I have simply had no WORDS for a long time, some ma-ki! And what else could be expected from this ANTI-RUSSIAN power, this power is NOT RUSSIAN, it does not give a damn about RUSSIA! All such courts are a complete farce! I faced a similar situation in Kharkov / Ukraine /, the same courts completely ignore what is spelled out in the LAW and nothing can be achieved. The power today is thieves everywhere in RUSSIA and in Ukraine. Here is my own verse on this topic:
    I will tell now, friends,
    Where do "credits" go
    And let our House be one family,
    But the bandits rule it!

    We undoubtedly need a loan
    Not all millionaires yet!
    But the money will not go to you
    Functionaries will take them apart!

    And it may very well be
    Swiss banks will not leave
    Only their "paper" way will pass
    And somewhere there they will disappear without a trace ...

    Credit will disappear only for us
    There are other "lazarenki"
    What the greedy eye laid
    On such tempting foams!

    Well, what's next to explain
    They will sign anything!
    Loans - they only steal,
    And to answer us - popularly!
    1. denisey
      denisey 24 August 2013 08: 34 New
      12
      I visited you in Odessa two years ago. How to mock the Ukrainian people plunged me into shock. And you need this independence (depending on sesheashki)
      1. alexdol
        alexdol 25 August 2013 07: 07 New
        +8
        denisey (1) RU "And you need this independence ..."
        -------------------------------------------------
        If this question is addressed to me, then I will answer this way. I and all normal people do not need this "independence" at all, since I believe that today's Ukraine is just a part of Russia! All the games with "nezalezhnistya" are needed by our powers that be, whether in Ukraine or in Russia! I have said many times and will repeat again: if there were RUSSIAN power in Russia, there would be no "Ukraine" today!
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 25 August 2013 11: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: alexdol
          if there was RUSSIAN power in Russia,
          ----- wassat love fiction .........
          1. alexdol
            alexdol 26 August 2013 20: 04 New
            +1
            stroporez (1) SU "love fiction ........."
            -------------------------------------------------- ----
            No, I don’t like science fiction, but it turns out that the desire of the RUSSIAN authorities in RUSSIA is fantastic ?! After that I have nothing more to add ...
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 08: 57 New
      +8
      Quote: alexdol
      there are already FOUR such "bastards"! What can I say here - apparently these are "Putin's" hangers-on, their brains are in the KEY!

      Again, I put a minus. I don't like idealists. Nothing is perfect. And I don't like a lot of Putin, I don't understand many decisions. But I don't like those who oppose him even more, and at the moment I do not see a real candidate for Putin. You don't need a lot of cleverness to shout "Down with" stupidly. There are a lot of people like that on Bolotnaya. But there is no constructiveness ...
      Py.SY. Unlike stupid trolls, minus all in a row, do not hesitate to write a comment explaining their action.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 24 August 2013 10: 38 New
        17
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        And at the moment I do not see a real candidate for Putin's place.

        You are truly sorry for such a naive.
        Personally, I know more than a dozen people who, without performing the exploits of the galleys, can replace not only the GDP, but the entire government and deputies.
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        We used to kill emperors with a snuffbox in the temple for trying to encroach on the privileges of nobles.

        And there was a silk scarf.
        Only the privileges of nobles is the tip of the iceberg.
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      2. michajlo
        michajlo 24 August 2013 12: 31 New
        16
        lewerlin53rus (1) SU Today, 08:57 AM
        Good afternoon, dear Eugene! Let me disagree with you on the essence of your statements.
        1.
        Cons or pros, let everyone put to whom as he sees fit, the hooks for us are still not the main thing, in this we probably have a similar opinion?
        I am sure that most of the forum users write not what they will SUPPLY him with more advantages, but what they think! We are not politicians at the rally, and we are not trying to fool gullible voters.
        2.
        I agree with you that there are NO ideal people. just like and we are ALL non-ideal. But the difference between Putin and us is that we do not feel capable of GOOD governance of the homeland and we DO NOT crawl into the POWER and to the FEEDER for any price!
        I hope you understand what I'm talking about?
        3.
        Understand all of you supporters of the "sun" that criticizing him from the country's patriots is NOT to scream "Down with, Get out of the Kremlin, Into jail, To its wall and other cries slipped into it ...".
        We are not activists here from Bolotnaya Square and we are not interested in the opinion and BENEFIT of SovDep and the American embassy.
        4.
        I am talking about public pressure on the authorities (within the framework of the LAW) to remind her that BEFORE EVERYTHING IT SERVES TO HIS PEOPLE, not to American partners and mentors!

        You understand, which includes social pressure, REQUIREMENTS from the people to their power, not lackey servants and petitions !?
        5.
        What is it that everyone here TOGETHER to discuss, consult with lawyers (we do not know the laws) and draw up the text of such a REQUIREMENT? Maybe this is constructive? Or do you think that this is just "letting off steam from the boiler"?
        6.
        What specific proposals do you have for initiating public actions? I will be glad to hear them from any forum member.

        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 24 August 2013 13: 27 New
          +8
          I am talking about public pressure on the authorities (within the framework of the LAW) to remind her that BEFORE EVERYTHING IT SERVES TO HIS PEOPLE, not to American partners and mentors!


          HOW can you put pressure on power under the law? If they want to pass any law, they will accept it. And we learn about it from officialdom, where it will be published before entry into force. If we protest, that is, OMON, for a cool showdown - BB.
          Yes, some minor victories legal protests can win. For example - the anti-family sword of Juvenile justice was taken away from the country. But this only says that this law did not have a sufficiently strong lobby. Although such figures as, for example, Matvienko spoke out for him. But, you need to understand that our oligarchs have no interests in the environment of child trafficking, and child allowances in Russia are ridiculous and it is difficult to build a business on them. At the same time, as in the case of the prohibition of the LGBT movement, this is all enforced by those who are currently their enemies, i.e. West. Therefore, in spite of the West, South Ossetia and LGBT people have a ride. But not the fact that tomorrow the situation will not change. And then no protests will help, just as protests against educational reform do not help, how nothing helps to eradicate the pop mold that lives on our people. And much more.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 24 August 2013 12: 59 New
        10
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        And at the moment I do not see a real candidate for Putin's place.

        Open your eyes and see.
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        It doesn't take much mind to shout "Down with" stupidly.

        It takes even less mind to go with the flow like you. Perhaps we will swim out somewhere. I dare to disappoint you, because you, or rather all of us, are "floating" with an ax to the bottom.
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        There’s a lot going on Bolotnaya

        Just do not mix real patriots with the Germans and the Guards.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 13: 03 New
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          Open your eyes and see.

          and you can voice your opinion on this ?!
          Quote: nycsson
          Even less needs a mind to go with the flow like you. Maybe let’s swim somewhere.

          it’s not necessary that if a person does not go to a rally, then he will go with the flow
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 48 New
            13
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            and you can voice your opinion on this ?!

            There are many worthy presidential candidates in Russia. Boldyrev, Kasatonov, Kurginyan and many other scientific and political figures. And to say that in the 140 millionth country there is no alternative to the incumbent president, who is leading our country to an inevitable collapse, sorry for being rude - this is such stupidity! request
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            it’s not necessary that if a person does not go to a rally, then he will go with the flow

            I didn’t talk about the rally. And actually, why not. After all, the rally, normal, when they do not beat the windows and do not violate public order, is good. At the rally, people express their opinion on the actions of the authorities. And the government should listen to the opinion of the people and adjust their activities.
            As for the other. Most of our population is adrift, unfortunately. Filled our country with alcohol, tobacco and drugs. What does the people do? Drinks, smokes and pricks. Brought corruption of unprecedented proportions. What does the people do? Gives and takes bribes. On TV they show the house2 programs, give youth, etc. What does the people do? Looks like it. Introduced the cult of sex and violence. Ruined the institution of the family. What does the people do? People do abortions.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 14: 05 New
              -6
              Quote: nycsson
              to the current president, who leads our country to the inevitable collapse

              to collapse (although I would not be so categorical), it is not the president who leads, but our spit on everything.
              we are all bold in the kitchen and in the net, but in real life, the management company has raised prices, no one will come and ask you to justify, it’s easier to say that the president is to blame, the road has been taken badly, no one will go down to the administration and why in all
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 24 August 2013 14: 51 New
                10
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                to collapse (although I would not be so categorical)

                It is to collapse, you cannot say otherwise.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                not the president, but our spit on everything.

                And this is including.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                we are all bold in the kitchen and in the net, but in real life, the management company has raised prices, no one will come and ask you to justify, it’s easier to say that the president is to blame, the road has been taken badly, no one will go down to the administration and why in all

                I agree. Of course, the president is not to blame. At the municipal level, the lack of citizenship and activity of the population is one of the main problems today.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 24 August 2013 13: 35 New
          +8
          Open your eyes and see


          There is no alternative to GDP for the reason that they will not let anyone in there.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 52 New
            +8
            Quote: alicante11
            There is no alternative to GDP for the reason that they will not let anyone in there.

            But this is an interesting idea. You don’t often come across this. They mainly claim that it is unique and there is no substitute for it.
            They will let it go if the Russian population wants it.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 24 August 2013 14: 32 New
              +8
              Do not miss. In the 96, the population wanted Uncle Zyu, and again received EBE.
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 24 August 2013 14: 56 New
                +7
                Quote: alicante11
                Do not miss. In the 96, the population wanted Uncle Zyu, and again received EBE.

                Zu won the election, but was afraid of responsibility or conspired. No other is given.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 24 August 2013 15: 32 New
                  +5
                  Well, what am I talking about? They did not ask the people. To whom to be afraid, and to whom - not.
                  1. CTEPX
                    CTEPX 25 August 2013 07: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: nycsson
                    Zu won the election, but was afraid of responsibility or conspired. No other is given.

                    Quote: alicante11
                    Well, what am I talking about? They did not ask the people. To whom to be afraid, and to whom - not.

                    Well, this people are lucky)). Otherwise, they would have got a president who is afraid of responsibility or is ready to conspire)).
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 25 August 2013 07: 53 New
                      0
                      Well, this people are lucky)). Otherwise, they would have got a president who is afraid of responsibility or is ready to conspire)).


                      And this speaks of the fidelity of the "voice of the people." Moreover, not very on the good side.
                2. DPN
                  DPN 26 August 2013 23: 42 New
                  +1
                  Korzhakov on TV. He admitted that he would not allow this. Not for that, the EB was given power to give it back to the Communists.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 14: 06 New
            -3
            Quote: alicante11
            that they won’t let anyone go there

            Have you tried?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 24 August 2013 14: 54 New
              +9
              And I don’t have so much money to even try.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 15: 32 New
                -7
                and since when do you need money to lag behind
                First, go to the management company and specify the pricing principle, or should the president personally do this too?
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 24 August 2013 16: 31 New
                  +6
                  And, yes, I went about the fucking bill for ONE at my grandmother's. There they showed bamazhku that they examined all ranks by rank. No one is connected. And the witnesses were even grandmother and grandfather from the 1st entrance. Like, they themselves burn or someone who has no meters, like, you don't live and don't know. And this despite the fact that everyone around them knows that there are two stalls hanging on the house and that one more wire goes to no one knows where underground. I say, come on, I'll show you. He himself lived there from childhood until his marriage and recently lived for three years. No, like, "it says in the bamazka." So the issue was resolved only through the prosecutor's office and the court.

                  Just what is it for? The question was about the possibility of running for power. And what does the housing and communal services have to do with it?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 16: 37 New
                    -4
                    and this is all from one series
                    try to move forward, the thread will not work, you will say that it’s impossible, and so I'm sorry ...
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 12 New
                      +4
                      This is called "trolling well". You are well aware that running your own candidacy is not enough. You need to have at least money for the election campaign. At what serious money for a serious campaign. Because they just don't know me, except for my colleagues and neighbors. And their votes will not be enough. Moreover, in general, this concerns only the grassroots elections - the type of the city legislature, which does not solve anything at all. So is it worth spending money on it? And now the regional Duma and, moreover, the State Duma are elected according to party lists. And how many chances do I have to get on this list?
                2. stranik72
                  stranik72 24 August 2013 16: 34 New
                  +5
                  Strange logic, well, I went to find out and what can be done for the presidency?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 16: 38 New
                    -6
                    well, if "well, I went and found out and that" then it is impossible
        3. tungus-meteorit
          tungus-meteorit 24 August 2013 14: 39 New
          -18
          Supporters of the Khabarovsk and Kvachkovskys come from the same camp as the Berezovskys and Bulk, and therefore it is not surprising that the enemies of Russia work on this site, conduct their own propaganda, and work out their own State Department grants.
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      4. stranik72
        stranik72 24 August 2013 16: 31 New
        10
        The troll is you, because your logic is primitive, there is no alternative to GDP, and because there is no such thing as the FSB courts and other organizations do everything to prevent such a person from appearing in principle, so these guys were shut down, because suddenly "from a spark a flame will ignite. " Ilyukhin, Rokhlin, died just like that, and Gorbachev, Chubais and others are alive. The constructive may appear in a political system open at least for dialogue, and there is a lot of discussion with the opposition to VVP and DAM, only monologues and to meet in a TV studio one on one ssat, that's the whole alternative.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 10: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: alexdol
      What can I say here - apparently these are "Putin's" hangers-on, their brains are in the KEY!

      how we love to insult people we don’t even know.
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          1. nycsson
            nycsson 24 August 2013 14: 58 New
            +8
            Quote: tungus-meteorit
            and of course they put me only cons pid.rasy here,

            You are easier on the bends. In my opinion it brings you. negative
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 22: 31 New
        -1
        extremely mixed.
        people are trying to reason at the level of government. but not able to abstract from the relationship to a specific person and perceive the idea itself.
        I am the one who put the cons not to the statement itself, but specifically to me.
        gentlemen, your level is a bench at the entrance and washing the bones of a neighbor, if the phrase about the inadmissibility of insulting an opponent causes you to be rejected, only because it was expressed by the person to whom you are not negative
      3. stroporez
        stroporez 25 August 2013 12: 08 New
        -1
        why do we need to know them personally! ?????? ---- "... on their deeds, you will see them ......."
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 14: 09 New
          0
          Quote: stroporez
          why do we need to know them personally! ?????? ---- "... on their deeds, you will see them ......."

          mmmm, how do you know about the things that forum users do? !!!!
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 25 August 2013 19: 25 New
            0
            I'm not about forum users. I'm about "loyal putintsy". wherever you throw it --- everywhere on putinoida narvessya.toko that's why they didn't live better everywhere .........
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 20: 09 New
              0
              and the conversation was about insults on the forum about opponents
    4. Horst78
      Horst78 24 August 2013 12: 34 New
      +3
      "apparently these are" Putin's hangers-on "- it is inappropriate to generalize please (sorry minus)
  • Col.
    Col. 24 August 2013 08: 56 New
    18
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Those who defend power and Putin are simply without brains.


    And this power, headed by the "moon-faced" just strives to ensure that there are as many people without brains as possible. This is as clear as day! The last straw is the "reform" (read - destruction) of the RAS. I put my signature under the appeal, I urge everyone: http://onr-russia.ru/node/346
    And Khabarov is a real Russian officer, not a "contract soldier" in a funny army. With such patriots, these Kremlin villains are dealt with by all means, without disdaining anything (the murder of General Rokhlin is the work of the regime's guardsmen).
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 24 August 2013 15: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: Colonel
      And this power, headed by the "moon-faced" just strives to ensure that there are as many people without brains as possible. This is as clear as day! The last straw is the "reform" (read - destruction) of the RAS. I put my signature under the appeal, I urge everyone: http://onr-russia.ru/node/346

      I absolutely agree with you. I've already read. Hair on end.
      Quote: Colonel
      And Khabarov is a real Russian officer, not a "contract soldier" in a funny army. With such patriots, these Kremlin villains are dealt with by all means, without disdaining anything (the murder of General Rokhlin is the work of the regime's guardsmen).

      Yeah. The army is tight now. Corruption did not pass by her side. Officer honor is not held in high esteem today.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 10: 16 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Those who defend power and Putin are simply without brains

    well this is strong, you are the only one with brains and those who disagree with you definitely without
  • Horst78
    Horst78 24 August 2013 12: 31 New
    +3
    "What a bastard (the word bastard can be deleted, therefore I will write bastard in syllables) minus set" - these are trolls from the Sverdlovsk court and the prosecutor's office
  • nycsson
    nycsson 24 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +6
    But, as people say in our people: “What priest is the parish”, “who has the power, the power - he is right”.
    Yeah! Nothing, they don’t have to sit long.
  • Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 24 August 2013 13: 49 New
    +2
    But are we ready to shake up our Motherland, from the shit-ridden, tolerant and corrupt baryzhy bureaucrats ???
    Huh?
    Wash the blood that Russia again?
    Not boiling yet. Not reached the edge.
    Before 1917, there was a crisis of power, and now GDP for eggs holds all the kitchen here tight.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 24 August 2013 15: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Arthur 775
      But are we ready to shake up our Motherland, from the shit-ridden tolerant and corrupt baryzha bureaucrats ???

      I can only answer for myself. I'm ready.
      Quote: Arthur 775
      Wash the blood that Russia again?

      I would not say that. We will free the Motherland from enemies! Well, how about without a roof? Without it, it will not work.
      Quote: Arthur 775
      and now GDP for eggs holds the whole kitchen tight here.

      I would say that he is being held for .......
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 16: 05 New
        -5
        Quote: nycsson
        Well, how about without a roof? Without it, it will not work.

        favorite Russian fun, "to the ground, and then ...."
        can it be somehow without a roof? !!!, we already have no margin of safety either in the territory or in the population
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 24 August 2013 16: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          But can it be somehow without a roof? !!!,

          It is possible, even necessary. But for this, everyone in the country must realize what is happening. Then, it will be without a roof.
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          we have no margin of safety either in the territory or in the population

          You obviously got excited with the territory, but in terms of population, I completely agree with you.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 16: 30 New
            +6
            Quote: nycsson
            You obviously got excited with the territory, but in terms of population, I completely agree with you.

            I'm sorry but I didn’t get excited, we lost so many lands in the 20th century that it’s time to stop
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 24 August 2013 16: 45 New
        0
        I can only answer for myself. I'm ready.


        Hmm, and then, when they judge him and bring posts from this resource, he will say that he is not guilty. Who about this on the forum yells? Or or a provocateur.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 24 August 2013 19: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: alicante11
          Hmm, and then, when they judge him and bring posts from this resource, he will say that he is not guilty. Who about this on the forum yells?

          What to judge? request I haven’t written anything illegal!
          Quote: alicante11
          Or or a provocateur.

          Do not guess.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 20 New
            -2
            But are we ready to shake up our Motherland, from the shit-ridden tolerant and corrupt baryzha bureaucrats ???
            I can only answer for myself. I'm ready.


            Wash the blood that Russia again?
            I would not say that. We will free the Motherland from enemies! Well, how about without a roof? Without it, it will not work.


            In total, on the face of the message about the readiness to carry out a coup. Well, the shitcrats will be officially forgiven you, although they will add on the kidneys on the sly. But the corrupt bureaucrats - nope. Because an official is a civil servant and an attempt (to wash Russia with blood) on "bureaucrats" ie on the apparatus of the state is an attempt at a coup d'etat. Well, every dog ​​knows that they are corrupt. On that and stand.

            Well, if we take all your posts against the GDP personally, it is clear that the orientation is not against specific "bureaucrats", but against the entire "vertical" headed by its head (a pun turned out).

            So it looks like I guessed right.
  • fklj
    fklj 24 August 2013 14: 15 New
    +3
    The bulk project of the Kremlin
    Thank you Vladimir!
    Everyone knows (who has a brain), but no one speaks. Like in a fairy tale about the naked king ...
  • tungus-meteorit
    tungus-meteorit 24 August 2013 14: 23 New
    -9
    I put one minus, because nefig protect criminals.
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    2. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 24 August 2013 20: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: tungus-meteorit
      I put one minus, because nefig protect criminals.


      On their own people are not judged.
  • ildar335
    ildar335 24 August 2013 14: 45 New
    +3
    I didn’t put anything, neither pluses nor minuses, because I don’t have the right to judge, and you won’t come up with a conscience!
    yes, patriot. yes, suffered. please remember the civil war and the white officers! they were not patriots, they wanted to plunder Russia ??? NOBODY of our people knows even 10 parts of what really happened!
    and look at a living example: Egypt. The military came to power, and that ... according to various sources, the number of victims among the peaceful population reaches, according to various sources, from 400 to 700 people !!!!! and OUR people are even more "fun" spinning riots! what a bloody fly would be now?RIVERS OF BLOOD !!!!!!!!!and our fucking "Western friends" would piss with boiling water for joy that we ourselves are cutting each other !!!!!
    the only thing I agree with is to send a couple of specialists to arrange an "accident" for these "@ ^ bath musicians"!
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 24 August 2013 20: 55 New
      -1
      ildar335, golden words, comrade.
  • Civil
    Civil 24 August 2013 16: 46 New
    +4
    Hi Serdyukov!
  • denn
    denn 24 August 2013 20: 49 New
    -3
    I fully support Putin. I have no brains? Justify.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 24 August 2013 20: 58 New
      +1
      And Serdyukov and others like them, where are you going to go? No, well, probably a good man, and a good family man ...
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 25 August 2013 05: 24 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The bulk project of the Kremlin

    It seems to me that it would be more accurate:
    -the current Kremlin - a draft of the Anglo-Saxons;
    -Putin, grew out of this project and becomes independent;
    -Navalny is an attempt by the Anglo-Saxons to correct their project;
    -processes over Kvachkov and Khabarov-this is a way of influencing Putin, a way of depriving him of the support of patriots and the military.
    Something like this)).
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 25 August 2013 06: 09 New
      +2
      current Kremlin - Anglo-Saxon project


      Only not the current, but the 90's.

      -Putin, grew out of this project and becomes independent;


      Not the GDP, but the oligarchs, who did not want to share the good things honestly stolen from the people with the Naglosaks.

      -Navalny is an attempt by the Anglo-Saxons to correct their project;


      Complex issue.
      On the one hand, the participation of amers in financing bog rot is irrefutable. Like the geopolitical competition of GDP with the West in the foreign policy field.
      On the other hand, the swamp protest was too banal. Just one clash with riot police, and even then hesitant. It takes blood to explode the masses. Udaltsov was a good toy for the demonstrative bloodletting. Most of all he rode out, in the fountains he sat, again, "left-handed", to communicate with the left opposition. They promoted him great, but this sacrificial lamb was not used to the end. I can understand the authorities did not want to give a reason for the explosion. But what prevented you from simply shooting from a sniper rifle during a swing with riot police?
      And, of course, the circus with Oval, who walks free after the verdict, doesn’t climb into any gates.

      -processes over Kvachkov and Khabarov-this is a way of influencing Putin, a way of depriving him of the support of patriots and the military.


      This would be quite possible if GDP could not, in one word, compel them to release. Well, let not one, but two. "Fair trial".
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 25 August 2013 08: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        the swamp protest was too trite.

        Both Manezhnaya and Bolotnaya were funded from the same feeder. Unfortunately, and the fact that having planted Kvachkov and Khabarov, we managed to do this part of the script
        Quote: alicante11
        For the explosion of the masses need blood.

        avoid is a fact.
        And the question is not essentially: how do you manage to quote without mentioning the respondent? Some tricky button?))
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 25 August 2013 08: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: ctepx

          Both Manezhnaya and Bolotnaya were funded from the same feeder. Unfortunately, and the fact that having planted Kvachkov and Khabarov, we managed to do this part of the script
          Quote: alicante11
          For the explosion of the masses need blood.

          avoid is a fact.


          Well, denying funding for wading amers is stupid. Manezh - as I understand it - pro-Putin rallies. They are clearly funded from the budget of the Russian Federation. So they could not be financed from one feeder.
          I don’t understand how the arrest could have done without blood? No one began to pull the trigger to shed blood? I honestly don’t see the connection between Khabarov’s landing and the swamp protest drain. If you explain in more detail, maybe I understand.

          And the question is not essentially: how do you manage to quote without mentioning the respondent? Some tricky button?))


          That's better? I just click on "reply", insert a quote and click on the cloud. And that's all. I'm so used to it somehow. In all forums.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 25 August 2013 11: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            Well, denying funding for wading amers is stupid. Manezh - as I understand it - pro-Putin rallies. They are clearly funded from the budget of the Russian Federation.

            Human memory is short)). Of course, I mean the rally at Manezhka on December 10.12.2010, XNUMX, after which, in fact, the arrest of Kvachkov followed.
            Yes, and from the budget, pro-Putin rallies, of course, were not financed. Fools are dumb)). It was a completely different money. The only thing we can confidently say is that of Russian origin)).

            Thank you for the cloud)).
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 25 August 2013 12: 24 New
              +1
              Both Manezhnaya and Bolotnaya were funded from the same feeder. Unfortunately, and the fact that having planted Kvachkov and Khabarov, we managed to do this part of the script


              Now I understand what it is about. I did not really pay attention to these fan-Caucasian showdowns then.
              I will not argue about financing. And how is the arrest of Kvachkov related to these events?

              The only thing we can confidently say is that of Russian origin)).


              For example?
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 26 August 2013 09: 04 New
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                And how is the arrest of Kvachkov related to these events?

                I suppose - directly.
                Quote: alicante11
                For example?

                Again, I assume (confidently) that even the Chinese do not need stability in Russia)).
  • Tykta
    Tykta 25 August 2013 13: 12 New
    +1
    I am against advertising not only in links, but also in comments.

    Today, 12: 44
    Print

    So, it's time to talk with the magazine owners and advertise in their magazine.
    Firstly, why do the owners place promotional products in publications without having discussed with the authors an interesting question on fees ?! If they advertise, then let them kindly reimburse all publishers some nishtyki, regarding the rating, the title, or simply the American green papers, although I agree to the Mongolian Tugriks ...
    Secondly - why are my comments that have nothing to do with washing machines highlighted in green ?! If you want a completely grounded opinion on plagiarism of opinion, then welcome to the prosecutor's office, since I am not a public person, and did not ask you to combine your opinion with the financial success of any corporation involved in the sale. For me, as for a person who does not occupy public positions, this is a blow to my reputation, and therefore any advertising activity associated with the site owners due to the insolubility of turning off (eliminating) advertising is an unavoidable obstacle for me. The site receives financial benefits from the content, therefore I demand for each of my comments highlighted with a green tag at 10 USD for copyright infringement.
    For sim everything, for inattention to this article I will write an appeal to the prosecutor.
  • SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 24 August 2013 07: 49 New
    15
    Sorry MAN for the truth hurt!
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 August 2013 13: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Smac111
      Sorry MAN for the truth hurt!
      We will not learn the whole truth about the true motives of this matter soon ...
    2. Stas
      Stas 24 August 2013 14: 43 New
      +9
      For truth they always beat and will beat. And so it has been at all times. Very much to many temporary workers at the feeder and thieves, she pierces her eyes. So they try to plant and destroy such people quickly, so that there are no new leaders, inspirers of ideas - in a word, such people are a direct threat to the powers that be. This is purely my opinion, but I think many people think so.
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 24 August 2013 15: 11 New
        +6
        Stas RU Today, 14:43
        For truth they always beat and will beat. And so it has been at all times. Very much to many temporary workers at the feeder and thieves, she pierces her eyes. So they try to plant and destroy such people quickly, so that there are no new leaders, inspirers of ideas - in a word, such people are a direct threat to those in power. This is purely my opinion, but I think many people think so.

        Good afternoon, dear Stanislav!

        You are right, it happens in life. Moreover, it is customary in the jurisprudence of all countries, opponents more dangerous for the ruling power to quickly declare, make insane, mentally unstable.

        These are the realities of a fair and independent legal process.

        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
  • aud13
    aud13 24 August 2013 07: 54 New
    20
    A good man, a real citizen and officer of Russia. Such people are always and apparently especially now objectionable to the authorities. Because the power in comparison with them looks just disgusting. Therefore, people like Khabarov and Kvachkov are trying to mix with mud on far-fetched charges.
    As for our court, that the Supreme is constitutional, the Court once again shows that it does not care about objectivity, justice and compliance with the law. Where the wind blows, it barks there.
  • NKVD
    NKVD 24 August 2013 07: 55 New
    15
    I’ve been writing for a long time that it’s time to soap our judicial system. Those in power have no power, and like the bulk of Serdyukov’s gut is planted. Putin will be very offended who will feed them from their places.
  • My address
    My address 24 August 2013 08: 04 New
    23
    The colonel encroached on the thieves in a broad sense. On thieves, traitors, idlers in power. Now, if he was a minister and stole a billion, nothing would have happened.
    1. Dober
      Dober 24 August 2013 16: 06 New
      +5
      I wish you hello!
      Quote: My address
      The colonel encroached on thieves in a broad sense.

      I completely agree with this. And it is in this wording.
      And if you do not take into account the lines from the criminal case ...
      Maybe we will live to see the time when the names of such people as Khabarov, Kvachkov and some others, which MUST still appear, will become a kind of symbol of the FIGHT precisely for PEOPLE'S AUTHORITY. And the monuments will be, and the streets will be called.

      After all, under the anti-Russian rule, they made the hero of such a bastard as a pawn Morozov.
      God willing, we will live and in the military units there will be stands dedicated to these colonels!
  • BASHKIR
    BASHKIR 24 August 2013 08: 16 New
    +5
    Many see and think, but where is the solution, what to do ...
    All sorts of party members and their "leaders" offer talkology, while the young and daring crave action ...
    Here are those who can offer something specific, all sorts of Islamist jihadists ...
    Then someone wrote that in order to achieve the goals of RUSSIA it is possible and even necessary to neglect the rules and laws ...
    Maybe it's time !!!
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 24 August 2013 08: 19 New
    +9
    The whole trouble of KHABAROV is that behind his back there is only his pain ... worries about the fate of the MOTHERLAND, given to be torn apart by CAPITAL. Experiencing and striving to achieve justice. So he was punished for this by our "law-enforcement" system, even in the absence of clear signs of "criminal acts".
    Behind the back of the BULK - AMER, a big CAPITAL, who in all finance his struggle against their country. Therefore, it is impossible to put him in prison, even for an obvious "criminal offense" ... aMeasures can take offense, and the capitalists-financiers can throw less money on the next election campaign. But for the election as mayor of Moscow, Navalny, this new "Fuhrer of the crap movement," is just right.
    We felt the difference between Khabarovsk and bulk! That's it!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 24 August 2013 08: 22 New
      13
      Do you believe that Navalny is not persecuted just because of the support of the West? Well, yes, but I am so convinced that he is not deprived of support in the Kremlin either. Only who will it advertise
      1. rsnv
        rsnv 24 August 2013 18: 07 New
        +5
        Dear Vladsolo56, after Navalny was released from prison and the edrosovsk deputies of the Moscow City Duma approved the nomination of his candidacy for mayor of Moscow, your personal conviction became a fact for those who retained the ability to think independently.
    2. michajlo
      michajlo 24 August 2013 12: 40 New
      +4
      KazaK Bo RU Today, 08:19
      Good afternoon, dear Boris! You are completely right!

      Perhaps today we do not know all the details of the "undercover agreements", but it is definitely a participant in a "theatrical farce" to divert voters' votes from a DANGEROUS candidate for the authorities, whom the people can believe!

      Therefore, on the above an example of the unjustness of court decisions in the cases of "Khabarov <> Navalny" - the ESSENCE of the Kremlin power is clearly visible, who it supports, who it needs, and who is DANGEROUS FOR HER !?

      In addition to the words, it's probably time to put the classic question: WHAT TO DO?
      What are the suggestions?

      Sincerely, Mikhailo.
  • VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 24 August 2013 09: 10 New
    12
    Society begins to turn into a big "thieves raspberry." In prisons are those who steal over trifles. And those who are in billions are sitting, I'm sorry, are under house arrest or sitting ... with the blessing of those who protect the whole corruption process.

    That's right, it's high time to change the entire judicial system. She "eats" from the trough such as Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, Chubais and the like
    And this viper must be uprooted like a weed on the body of our society.
    Why are the capitalists judged in spite of the faces, but we are all "down on the brakes"?
  • Mr.M
    Mr.M 24 August 2013 09: 34 New
    15
    scum, bl ***, animals, everyone would be against the wall, all this rotten corrupt salesman from the prosecutor’s office, judges, the FSB, the government, everyone involved in this fraud ...
    it is painful to see how a real HERO becomes a victim of mediocrity with ambitions, traitors and fools.

    That’s why Serdyukov doesn’t sit on his bunk, and an honest Russian officer on trumped-up, fake charges sets off to serve his sentence in no time ???
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 24 August 2013 09: 41 New
      11
      Well, I can’t hold back, it just infuriates those who also support these scoundrels. I am a very restrained person, but in this case, anger just overwhelms me. I think that even for the fact that they dare to humiliate such a person, they deserve to be left without teeth, and for what they have planted, I will not even voice them.
      You know, I didn’t want my son to serve in the army, but to such a commander as Khabarov, I would entrust my son, the most expensive that I have.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 10: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I am a very restrained person, but in this case, anger just overwhelms me.

        well, then go to the square to support him, or only here, in the net, anger overwhelms, but in real life there is not enough courage? !!!
        it’s easier in the kitchen to bang on housing and communal services tariffs for corrupt officials, but at least with such people as you collect the signature on the letter so nevermind, what if something goes wrong.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 24 August 2013 10: 46 New
          +6
          At least I do not hide my face like you, and do not tear my opinions. I signed support for Khabarov through the network when it was collected
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 11: 07 New
            +7
            actually, unlike you, I speak in my own name and surname
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  • scorpido
    scorpido 24 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    The court is an instrument of the state. All.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 24 August 2013 15: 46 New
      +6
      scorpido RU Today, 09:39

      Good afternoon, dear Eugene!
      In this you are completely right. I’ll add from myself that all the laws in all the former Socialist Countries and the post-USSR were written FOR THE PROTECTION OF AUTHORITY FROM OUR PEOPLE. I do not know a single law that would protect ordinary citizens, taxpayers FROM OWN POWER !!!

      By the way, what do you think, why so far in none of the above-mentioned countries NO DIRECT ELECTIONS WITH THE RIGHT TO REVIEW BY VOTERS (not by deputies, ministers, prime minister and president) the following IMPORTANT for compliance by ALL, without EXCLUSION in the country, the laws of officials and citizens:

      - President of the Constitutional Court

      - President of the Supreme Court

      - Attorney General

      - Chief of Police (or the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs / Russian version)

      Regards, Michael
  • Garrin
    Garrin 24 August 2013 09: 39 New
    12
    Which once again confirms that in Russia the Law is being implemented extremely selectively, and, basically, in the interests of those who by and large flout the Law.

    And where the Law is not being fulfilled, there is no need to talk about some kind of civil society. Society begins to turn into a big “thieves raspberries”. In prisons are those who steal small things. And who are the billions - sit, I apologize, are under house arrest or are sitting ... with the blessing of the roof of the whole corruption process.

    I subscribe to every word.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 August 2013 09: 46 New
    +9
    The country does not need the Khabarovs, the Kvachkovs - the country needs the Serdyukovs!
    So much power protects him that Lenin never dreamed of!
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    2. rsnv
      rsnv 24 August 2013 18: 19 New
      +4
      The country, which "does not need the Khabarovs, the Kvachkovs, but needs the Serdyukovs," has no historical prospects, it is doomed.
  • Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 24 August 2013 09: 48 New
    +9
    I don't put "plus" - I put "minus" on, because I read it - and did not understand. Khabarov - personnel paratrooper, reconnaissance, his accuracy, clarity and logic are not "in the blood" - IN GENES !!! "Landmarks - from left to right along the lines from oneself - to the enemy; information about the enemy ..." .. and here - like a young political officer - a little bit about everything, emphasis on feelings - and no specifics! Whether oh! Did Khabarov write this?! Yes, he would have cursed him - but to cry? Better yet:
    The third year we pay for such a rash act ... DO NOT REPEAT OUR MISTAKES!

    It's like - don't fight? Or acknowledge everything that will be hanged on you? YES WHAT FOR Nonsense?!?!
    I DO NOT BELIEVE! NOT THESE PEOPLE!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 24 August 2013 10: 10 New
      +9
      How is everything simple? people counted on support, so what? for all the time of the trial, how many who defended him, who gave a voice even on the Internet for him, but he is disappointed in the people who betrayed him, and strangely enough the majority turned out to be. So I don’t know how you would behave in his place.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 10: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        How is everything simple? people counted on support, so what? for all the time of the trial, how many those who defended him, who gave a voice even on the Internet for him

        well, get up from the couch and support, and not wrap your snot on your fist and don’t whine that all thieves and bastards, go out and say it in person
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 24 August 2013 10: 44 New
          12
          You think I will not say? I’ll tell you for sure, only I live in the middle of nowhere in Siberia and who should I say something here? if there were more people in the network who were outraged, even then the authorities would have listened to the opinions of people, only here there are a minority but there are people like you
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 12: 50 New
            -6
            Quote: vladsolo56
            You think I will not say? I’ll tell you for sure, only I live in the middle of nowhere in Siberia and who should I say something here?

            firstly I didn’t drink with you on Brudershaft
            secondly, it’s absolutely violet for me where you live (by the way, I don’t live on the Red Square)
            thirdly, such as you, in principle, do not go anywhere and never, are limited to the kitchen, have you fought a lot with the local authorities or have you achieved anything?
    2. Tver
      Tver 24 August 2013 11: 46 New
      0
      Right! I did not understand what the article was about. Even not the article, but the exposure of the flaws (and which is not clear).
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 24 August 2013 10: 18 New
    +9
    <<< For information - Statistical documents of the Supreme Court. 1937 - the peak of Stalin's repressions: acquittals - 10,3% ≈ 1: 9-10 (every 9-10 was acquitted).
    2010 (rampant triumph of democracy): acquittals - 0,5%. And excluding the trial with the participation of jurors = 0,065% ≈ 1: 200, which underlines the extremely accusatory tendency in the activities of the courts. >>>
    If this data is true, then it turns out that the phrase - we do not have the 37th year, we must say this - we, unfortunately, not the 37th year! That is, we still have to grow and grow in terms of impartiality and objectivity of legal proceedings!
  • Kite
    Kite 24 August 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    Not "+", not "-", although the above video, designed only for emotions, is not very honest!
    I will be looking for additional information, support group "-" for poor presentation of the case.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 24 August 2013 10: 38 New
      +3
      So here we are accustomed to chewing and putting in our mouths, nobody wants to think. consumer society, not in vain Khabarov disappointed in people. He was betrayed, or rather sold.
      1. Kite
        Kite 24 August 2013 11: 27 New
        +8
        Do not chew and do not chew snot, but carry accurate information, arguments without speculation. I have the ability to analyze and generalize, I'll figure it out myself! In the decision on the arrest of Khabarov, the main motive - the call and preparation for changing the state system by violent method - is a crime not against the government, but against the state, i.e. of the people (did we have a little trouble? do you have a desire again, the last one, so "frolic"?). If there was no such appeal in his execution, if he did not even think about such a thing (??? this must be explained!), Then it is necessary to open a case against the investigator, who ascribes his conjectures!
        PS one of the organizers, Ermakov, was recognized as mentally ill (schizophrenic), that is, could he say anything, he is forgivable, and healthy forgiven to repeat?
  • alicante11
    alicante11 24 August 2013 10: 50 New
    +3
    And I’m interested in this story.
    If Khabarov was really preparing a coup. Then why then appeals and talk that he is not guilty. From a legal point of view, a coup d'etat is a criminal offense. Now, if it succeeded, then it would be a revolution with all that it implies. But everything seems to be fine. And a person must go to the "prisons of the regime" with his head held high.
    And if Khabarov did not prepare a coup, then why speak lofty words about him, that he is a leader and guardian for the people? Yes, we have such guardians on topvar every second. Who wants to scratch the tongue of the people. Then it turns out that he was simply the victim of a miscarriage of justice or simply crossed the road for someone.
    In general, all this is incomprehensible. For a long time I could not understand "Hu from VVP". Years 12 understood. In this same riddle there are so many unknowns and so little even indirect information that it is simply not realistic to untwist this situation.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 24 August 2013 11: 09 New
      +1
      To the past. If you do not agree, tell me where it is not.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        To the past. If you do not agree, tell me where it is not.

        One minus from me.
        Quote: alicante11
        In general, all this is incomprehensible. For a long time I could not understand "Hu from VVP". Years 12 understood. In this same riddle there are so many unknowns and so little even indirect information that it is simply not realistic to untwist this situation.

        What to say. 12 years understood and did not understand. This is the first time I voted for him, but then I realized what kind of fruit it was. To understand, analyze the information, but not from the first and second channels. Not to mention STS and TNT with their 2 houses, you give youth, etc. There is more information on the Internet than enough to figure it out. Thank God that they have not yet crushed this source of information.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 24 August 2013 14: 34 New
          0
          And for what minus? Isn't that right?

          What to say. 12 years understood and did not understand.


          I just figured it out. He is simply the normal ruler of a capitalist country. And the ruler of a capital country owes nothing to anyone but the oligarchs. Here he defends them. And from the West in the foreign arena and from the people in domestic politics.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 24 August 2013 16: 13 New
            +8
            Quote: alicante11
            And the ruler of a capital country owes nothing to anyone but the oligarchs. Here he defends them.

            Yeah! wassat That is the thought. How many years on the site, but I have not read this yet. lol Begin, perhaps, by reading the Constitution.
            Quote: alicante11
            And from the West in the foreign arena and from the people in domestic politics.

            The president of the country protects the oligarchs from the people !!! And there is. Do you think this is normal ??? request
            And if we conclude, then he is at the head of the gang, which has the full population living in the territory of the Russian Federation.
            The country under the "stationary bandit"
            All that the authorities want to know about society is how much money is needed to pay off the poor and how to make them vote for themselves.
            07.08.2012
            http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/53867.html
            Here just the other day, Alfred Koch, a very subtle author, better known for his "sale of Russia", made a very accurate Facebook entry, deserving of a complete listing:
            "There is such a (rather well-known) concept of the state, which is called" the state as a stationary bandit. " The meaning of this concept is that the state is a certain gang that seizes power over a certain people living in a certain territory. Once a gang discovers that it cannot expand its possessions: other gangs interfere. Then the gang begins to exploit "its" people. Very soon, she realizes that if she exploits the people too harshly, then the people either begin to die out or rise. A certain reasonable measure of exploitation is established experimentally, when a gang takes away only that part of the added value that leaves the people enough funds for expanded reproduction. In these conditions, both the gang and the people get richer. Thus, the gang turns into rational power. For a long time I could not understand why our gang is so ignorantly cynical about the people? First of all, to those who produce this very added value. And it only cares about those who somehow sit on the redistribution of the added product, and not on its production. And then it dawned on me: for the government, which chose as a concept for the development of the country almost exclusively the sale of raw materials extracted from its bowels, the population of this country is superfluous. It is not an entity producing value added, as it would be if we chose an alternative concept, which consists in development due to the growth of value added. In the selected raw materials concept, the population goes under the item “costs”, or, as it is now fashionable to say, “bones”. A rational businessman cuts the "cost". We interfere with our gang. She barely tolerates us. In reality, she needs only 2 — 3 million people who are engaged in the extraction and delivery of commodities to the markets. And in place of the rest, they would prefer to have either disenfranchised migrant workers, or state employees and pensioners directly dependent on them. If you look at the behavior of our gang power from this angle, then it turns out to be quite rational, and its current behavior towards us is almost the top of humanity and tolerance. "
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 24 August 2013 16: 40 New
              +1
              Yeah! That is the thought. How many years on the site, but I have not read this yet. Begin, perhaps, by reading the Constitution.


              You still advise me to read the Bible. I tell you how real the situation is, and you are talking about pieces of paper. Some kind of kindergarten.

              The president of the country protects the oligarchs from the people !!! And there is. Do you think this is normal ???


              I do not think this is normal. I believe that our fathers dried out socialism. And so we are forced to live under capitalism. Which in itself is not normal. But at the same time, what is happening does not go beyond the logic of capitalist society.

              "There is such a (rather well-known) concept of the state, which is called" the state as a stationary bandit. "


              Rave. It is simply called the COUNTRY OF THE WINNING MONOPOLISTIC CAPITALISM. And do not say that VVP and its entourage are bandits. They are such "bandits" like any leader of a capitalist society.

              And yet, for what minus something? What did I incorrectly say in my message about the contradiction of Khabarov’s behavior, for which, as you said, I was given a minus, to hell with it with a minus, but I wonder what you disagree with?
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 24 August 2013 17: 29 New
                +6
                Quote: alicante11
                And so we are forced to live under capitalism
                If the grandfathers had not rested on socialism, then the fathers could not have dried it - that is, everything is possible to change, but there really is no compulsion to live under capitalism.
                And if so - why replace concepts and broadcast about compulsion?

                And do not say that GDP and its environment are bandits
                Violations of the Constitution and federal laws by the authorities have a place to be? Has - it means the power is criminal, that is, Vova’s entourage and he himself are bandits.

                hi
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 27 New
                  +2
                  If grandfathers had not rested on socialism, then the fathers could not have dried it


                  If the Germans and the arrogant Saxons did not demolish the Russian Empire in WWI, then the figs would run into the socialism of grandfathers (although more great-grandfathers). The revolution of 1905 of the year perfectly showed what the people are against the government, even taking into account the presence of organizations among the Communists and Socialist Revolutionaries. The people are just stupidly less trunks. And cobblestone, as the main weapon of the proletariat, is too weak a means against the machine gun.

                  Violations of the Constitution and federal laws by the authorities have a place to be? Has - it means the power is criminal, that is, Vova’s entourage and he himself are bandits.


                  I repeat again. They are no more bandits than Babama, Bushiki, Clinton and so on from the first Amer presidents. All European leaders and Russian tsars and German emperors and French kings, etc. can also be crammed there. etc. This is a normal situation in a society in which money gives real power.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 25 August 2013 02: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: alicante11
                    If the Germans and the arrogant Saxons did not smash the Russian Empire into WWII, then the figs would run into the socialism of the grandfathers (although, more great-grandfathers)
                    Someone’s great-grandfathers, someone’s grandfathers - we’re kind of discussing an alternative story here.
                    The bottom line is that the socio-political system is changing - changing by the will of society. Therefore, do not make fatalistic statements about compulsion - this is a substitution of concepts.

                    I repeat again. They are no more bandits than Babama ...
                    Yes, as much as you like, but they do not stop being bandits from this.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 25 August 2013 03: 31 New
                      0
                      The bottom line is that the socio-political system is changing - changing by the will of society. Therefore, do not make fatalistic statements about compulsion - this is a substitution of concepts.


                      But for this, the prerequisites created by the Germans and the Naglosaks must ripen. But do we now need such prerequisites as in the 1917? To me personally, taking into account the fact that I have three children, you don't need a fuck. Because the chances of SJ coming to see me are much less than in the case of the revolution and civil war to see their children with their throats cut, as is happening in Syria and Libya. And I must overcome economic difficulties, as a man and as a father, this is my task anyway.

                      Yes, as much as you like, but they do not stop being bandits from this.


                      And you come and tell this to the GDP personally. Or Shoigu or Lavrov, or any of the "personalities" I have listed because of the hillock. And then you will understand who is a "bandit" and who is not. Although, of course, de jure, I completely agree with you. But we live not de-bre, but de facto. Something like that.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 25 August 2013 04: 39 New
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        But for this, the prerequisites created by the Germans and the Naglosaks must ripen.
                        What, we ourselves are not capable of anything - we don’t have our own head?

                        To me personally, taking into account the fact that I have three children, you don't need a fuck.
                        And the variant with the new feudal system that has taken shape, after ... twenty years, is needed?

                        And I have to overcome economic difficulties
                        Even by "biting off a piece" from a stranger, even if moral and ethical attitudes tell you that this piece does not belong to you?

                        And you come up and say it personally
                        Yes, they don’t allow something, although it does not change the essence of the matter.

                        But we live not de jure, but de facto
                        Sorry for the immodesty, but in this case I am right de jure and de facto - from the lack of official recognition of my innocence, I do not become less right.
                      2. alicante11
                        alicante11 25 August 2013 05: 14 New
                        +1
                        What, we ourselves are not capable of anything - we don’t have our own head?


                        The head has nothing to do with it. Stupidly, the people have fewer trunks than the authorities. Is it clear? When the Germans and the arrogant Saxons thinned the trunks of Tsarism, and even directed them at each other, then the people were able to free themselves from power. But in 1905 could not. The trunks were not enough.

                        And the variant with the new feudal system that has taken shape, after ... twenty years, is needed?


                        There are worse options, But whether they will or not is a question. But at least the Syrian scenario during the civil war, and, most likely, the Libyan one, is guaranteed.

                        Even by "biting off a piece" from a stranger, even if moral and ethical attitudes tell you that this piece does not belong to you?


                        I have never done this and will never do it.

                        Yes, they don’t allow something, although it does not change the essence of the matter.


                        Well, then why wave cardboard sabers?

                        Sorry for the immodesty, but in this case I am right de jure and de facto - from the lack of official recognition of my innocence, I do not become less right.


                        This is not immodesty. This is either ostrich syndrome or naivety. From your legal righteousness, no one is cold and not hot. Only drives into melancholy. But in fact, you will be right only when you can actually realize your legal right. At least tell the bandits that they are bandits.
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 25 August 2013 14: 55 New
                        +2
                        Quote: alicante11
                        Stupidly, the people have fewer trunks than the authorities.
                        Are you trying to justify that everyone needs to relax and have fun?

                        There are worse options
                        When this "not the worst" option affects you and your three children, your opinion will change.
                        It is also not worth frightening the Libyan and Syrian variants - we went through the analogue of these variants from the 17 to the 23 year.

                        Never did it and never will
                        Too categorical statement means in practice most likely it will be the other way around.

                        Well, then why wave cardboard sabers?
                        So don’t wave.

                        This is either ostrich syndrome or naivety
                        I admit that naivety can be attributed to me, but "ostrich syndrome" is more about you.

                        Only drives into melancholy.
                        Then what are you doing on this thread - are you trying to have fun?

                        tell the bandits that they are bandits.
                        And you stand on the sidelines and look, in the end shouting "hurray" to the winner, whoever he was - I am sure of this.
                      4. alicante11
                        alicante11 25 August 2013 15: 15 New
                        0
                        Are you trying to justify that everyone needs to relax and have fun?


                        Then what are you doing on this thread - are you trying to have fun?


                        I already answered this question nycsson. I will not repeat myself. I will only say that. Dangerous is not the dog that barks, but that which approaches silently.

                        When this "not the worst" option affects you and your three children, your opinion will change.
                        It is also not worth frightening the Libyan and Syrian variants - we went through the analogue of these variants from the 17 to the 23 year.


                        My task is not to touch them. And I will fulfill it.
                        And you didn’t go about the 17 year, you only read about it and watched a movie (well, of course, I, too, if I suddenly want to be personalized).

                        Too categorical statement means in practice most likely it will be the other way around.


                        I'm afraid you are saying this about yourself. Because you allow yourself to insult a person about whom you know nothing.

                        So don’t wave.


                        I don’t wave. I just explain the essence of what is happening.

                        And you stand on the sidelines and look, in the end shouting "hurray" to the winner, whoever he was - I am sure of this.


                        If you are such that you will do this, then yes - I'll stand and see. True, I will not shout "hurray".
                      5. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 25 August 2013 16: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: alicante11

                        You do not explain the essence of what is happening, but you are blotting out, calling the norm the apparent absence of the latter.
                      6. alicante11
                        alicante11 25 August 2013 17: 02 New
                        0
                        I'm not saying that the norm. I say this is happening.
                      7. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 25 August 2013 18: 26 New
                        +3
                        Quote: alicante11
                        I'm not saying that the norm. I say this is happening.

                        Occurs, although it should not.

                        And similar statements:
                        Quote: alicante11
                        It is simply called the COUNTRY OF THE WINNING MONOPOLISTIC CAPITALISM. And it is not necessary to say that VVP and its entourage are bandits. They are such "bandits" like any leader of a capitalist society.
                        - There is a norm that the norm is not and cannot be.

                        After all, the current Russian Federation is not a country of monopoly capitalism - the Russian Federation is now a nomenclature-kleptocratic oligarchy - a neo-liberal fascist system, which has a tendency to move toward feudalism (as it is not funny).

                        And if we say that it’s natural and not to call a spade a spade (bandits bandits for example), then we will definitely find ourselves where we are moving, although there is a good chance of avoiding this, and it’s a very good one.
                        But in order to realize this chance, at this stage it is necessary to start calling a spade a spade, get rid of illusions about the possibility of the existence of good kings and stop duplicating lies (tales of the nationalization of the Central Bank, the abolition of the Second World War of PSAs, etc. nonsense) of those who working for an organized criminal group now in power.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 24 August 2013 19: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: alicante11
    You still advise me to read the Bible. I tell you how real the situation is, and you are talking about pieces of paper. Some kind of kindergarten.

    And what's wrong with reading the Constitution. If you read it, you would not write nonsense about how our president owes nothing to anyone but the oligarchs. And he owes to the Russian people, like land to a collective farm, for the votes given to him in the elections.
    Quote: alicante11
    But at the same time, what is happening does not go beyond the logic of capitalist society.

    What is happening goes beyond the scope of the legislation of the Russian Federation, starting with the Constitution, the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, etc.
    Quote: alicante11
    They are such "bandits" like any leader of a capitalist society.

    Your logic is clear to me. In that case, why do we need such a society?
    Quote: alicante11
    And yet, for what minus something?

    For 12 years of litigation.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 36 New
      +1
      And what's wrong with reading the Constitution. If you read it, you would not write nonsense about how our president owes nothing to anyone but the oligarchs. And he owes to the Russian people, like land to a collective farm, for the votes given to him in the elections.


      Well, if you should - try to take it. As they say, de jure - must, but de facto - no. Or else there is a good expression. To whom he owes - he forgives everyone.
      And I read the Constitution. And even tried to refer to her in court. But ... a log.

      What is happening goes beyond the scope of the legislation of the Russian Federation, starting with the Constitution, the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, etc.


      What kindergarten do you go to, if not secret? The one who has more rights is right. Though bring the 10 Criminal Code, if you do not have the strength to force to comply with the requirements of the Criminal Code, you will not achieve anything.

      Your logic is clear to me. In that case, why do we need such a society?


      And not why, but we are not asked whether we need it or not. It's just that I, for example, in 91 was 12 years old, and in 93, 16. And I lived in Khabarovsk, and not in Moscow and could not die then, defending my rights and the rights of the Russian people, so as not to live now. That's all the "choice" that remains for me and many of my other weathermen. And the representatives of European states did not even have such a "choice".

      For 12 years of litigation.


      Then what do you need to put if you still have not figured it out?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2013 12: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: alicante11
        Well, if you should - try to take it. As they say, de jure - must, but de facto - no. Or else there is a good expression. To whom he owes - he forgives everyone.
        And I read the Constitution. And even tried to refer to her in court. But ... a log.

        It just amazes me how calmly you feel about this. Well, they have us, well, let them have, you still can’t do anything. This is the position of an ostrich.
        Quote: alicante11
        What kindergarten do you go to, if not secret? The one who has more rights is right. Though bring the 10 Criminal Code, if you do not have the strength to force to comply with the requirements of the Criminal Code, you will not achieve anything.

        It should not be. Strength must be in law.
        Quote: alicante11
        And not why, but we are not asked whether we need it or not. It's just that I, for example, in 91 was 12 years old, and in 93, 16. And I lived in Khabarovsk, and not in Moscow and could not die then, defending my rights and the rights of the Russian people, so as not to live now. That's all the "choice" that remains for me and many of my other weathermen. And the representatives of European states did not even have such a "choice".

        And I was 11 and 13, respectively! So, now, come to terms?
        Quote: alicante11
        Then what do you need to put if you still have not figured it out?

        No, I also figured it out, only much earlier than you.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 25 August 2013 14: 13 New
          +1
          It just amazes me how calmly you feel about this. Well, they have us, well, let them have, you still can’t do anything. This is the position of an ostrich.


          This is objective. I have three children, as I said. And their fate in the event of a civil war or intervention is not enviable. There are many photos and videos on the web and on this site of what happens to children during the war. This is the first thing. Second. if I really can't change anything, then I won't shake the air in vain. This I have already been ill, and for this I have already received in due time. If there is a crisis, then, as I was a communist, I will remain so, I will fight for the people. Well, the fourth. Explaining to people what is going on around me, I quite legally contribute to the struggle for the Motherland. Maybe someone who reads my posts will be able to risk everything, especially given the hopelessness of the situation, so to speak, "take it for granted."

          It should not be. Strength must be in law.


          Should not. But there is.

          And I was 11 and 13, respectively! So, now, come to terms?


          I have already answered this above.

          No, I also figured it out, only much earlier than you.


          Not understood. Your GDP is a demon in a black mantle. But this is not so. And since you don’t understand this, you don’t even know what the real danger is that comes from his (or rather not even his, but simply capitalist) system for Russia. And by accusing him of all mortal sins, you are pouring water, but by no means at the mill of the patriots, but at the mill of the enemies of Russia.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 25 August 2013 16: 01 New
            +5
            Quote: alicante11
            This is objective. I have three children, as I said. And their fate in the event of a civil war or intervention is not enviable. There are a lot of photos and videos on the web and on this site that happen to children during the war.

            I have one. We are waiting for the second. And if the ongoing policy is continued, will their enviable fate be? I do not see the future for my children with such corruption, alcoholism and drug addiction. And what happens in our country with children without war?
            Quote: alicante11
            The second one. if I really can’t change anything, then I won’t shake the air for nothing. By this I have fallen ill and already received it in due time.

            Not a single drop considers himself guilty of a flood. Each of us can change everything. Recently I became interested in alcoholism and drug addiction in our country. I watched the lectures of Zhdanov, Uglov, read their articles. I don’t smoke for 13 years. I never abused alcohol, and after studying this material I stopped drinking at all. I went in for sports, I run on 35 circles in the 2 stadium once a week. Imagine if everyone in our country quits drinking, smoking and injecting, goes in for sports. Yes, our birth rate will at times exceed mortality.
            Quote: alicante11
            If the crisis does occur, then, as I was a communist, I will remain so, I will fight for the people.

            I am also a communist at heart. I have repeatedly written in my posts that I am only for the people.
            Quote: alicante11
            Explaining to people what is happening around, I quite legally contribute to the struggle for the homeland.

            I do the same thing, only you have your own opinion on what is happening, but I have mine. By the way, I’m ready to read your arguments with interest.
            Quote: alicante11
            Not understood. Your GDP is a demon in a black mantle. But this is not so. And since you don’t understand this, you don’t even know what the real danger is that comes from his (or rather not even his, but simply capitalist) system for Russia.

            You know better. Your position is associated with the opinion of Deputy Fedorov. Correct if I'm wrong. And I adhere to the opinion of Boldyrev. And yet, fear for children speaks in you and I understand that. But, in this situation, you can’t sit out.
            Quote: alicante11
            And by accusing him of all mortal sins, you are pouring water, but by no means at the mill of the patriots, but at the mill of the enemies of Russia.

            I do not think so.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 25 August 2013 17: 10 New
            +1
            I have one. We are waiting for the second. And if the ongoing policy is continued, will their enviable fate be? I do not see the future for my children with such corruption, alcoholism and drug addiction. And what happens in our country with children without war?


            Now the future of my children depends on me how I can adapt to this world.

            Not a single drop considers himself guilty of a flood. Each of us can change everything.


            These are just beautiful words. Can change one who has nothing to lose. I have it.

            You know better. Your position is associated with the opinion of Deputy Fedorov. Correct if I'm wrong. And I adhere to the opinion of Boldyrev. And yet, fear for children speaks in you and I understand that. But, in this situation, you can’t sit out
            .

            Uh, no, I have logic, so I can’t accept such stupidity.

            Actually, I have expressed my opinion more than once. Now I will not do this, because tomorrow, or rather today at 8 hours to the airport. Tomorrow will also be difficult, and then the topic will fall. So either in PM or when we clash next time.
          3. nycsson
            nycsson 25 August 2013 23: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            Now the future of my children depends on me how I can adapt to this world.

            Adapt? No need to be fit. We need to fight for our homeland and a bright future.
            Quote: alicante11
            These are just beautiful words. Can change one who has nothing to lose. I have it.

            So to the betrayal of the homeland is not far. With such moods. belay
            Quote: alicante11
            Uh, no, I have logic, so I can’t accept such stupidity.

            What nonsense? Express your thoughts more clearly. And then I have to guess what you mean.
            Quote: alicante11
            So either in PM or when we clash next time.

            See you! Successful flight!
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 25 August 2013 11: 38 New
    -3
    Quote: nycsson
    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/53867.html

    The new newspaper is a consistent anti-Russian shout of the Anglo-Saxons. This stands out even among all other media. Do you want to know: what do enemies need, and what makes them writhing? Open and read)).
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 25 August 2013 12: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: ctepx
      The new newspaper is a consistent anti-Russian shout of the Anglo-Saxons.

      The consistent anti-Russian shout of the Anglo-Saxons is the 1 and 2 channels.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 26 August 2013 09: 07 New
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        The consistent anti-Russian shout of the Anglo-Saxons is the 1 and 2 channels.

        This is what we are talking about)). But Novaya Gazeta is a cut above them. In sequence)).
  • roninas
    roninas 25 August 2013 01: 24 New
    0
    Indeed. And then, our people love "those who suffered for the truth." And in general, when it was different in Russia, but before that in the USSR? Do you think that then all the thieves were in prison? Yes, figs there, money and connections were solved in the same way It's just that no one knew about this. Both in this case and in the Kvachkov case there are more questions than answers. If Kvachkov wanted to "write off" Chubais, then for a specialist of his level this is a failure, and such a first-year intelligence service is not performed. in general, what are these preparations for a coup on the air? Shapito is somehow. Yes, I do not deny, I even think that they are honest people, good officers and so on, but the conspiracy, if nothing else, has not been canceled
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 25 August 2013 02: 37 New
      +1
      and in general, when it was different in Russia, and before that in the USSR


      Injustice always exists. It’s just that at times it rolls over.
  • Airman
    Airman 24 August 2013 11: 20 New
    13
    Illusions in the fairness of the judicial system melted away in 1995-96. In March or April 1994, the first law "On the status of military personnel" was adopted, which stated that 3 YEARS before dismissal, military personnel stand in line at the place chosen for residence. In June-July he was in hospital and in January 1995 was dismissed. They didn’t put on the queue at the military registration and enlistment office, citing the law, they offered to resolve the issue of registration through the court. THESE WAS NOT THESE 3 YEARS! Only 3 months have passed since the adoption of the law. And so it was repeated in the city, the presidium of the city court, the supreme, the presidium of the supreme court. Moreover, the presidium of the city, the supreme, the presidium of the supreme considered the case WITHOUT MY PARTICIPATION, although in all cassation complaints it was written about my participation of me and the lawyer in the process. Therefore, a legitimate question arises: WHO ARE THE JUDGES?
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 24 August 2013 11: 25 New
    14
    I will not ask why Kvachkov and Khabarov are sitting ...
    I will ask, why is Serdyukov still at large? .. Why was the convicted "oppositionist" Navalny allowed to continue the election race for the Moscow mayor's seat? .. Why does he who participated in the genocide of the Russian population and in the executions of Russian soldiers receive the title of Hero and the post of head of the region? ..
    And there are a lot of such issues. And the person to whom they are addressed alone. To tell you who he is or guess yourself? ..
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 24 August 2013 13: 05 New
      +7
      Chicot 1 (1) SU Today, 11:25 AM
      Good afternoon, dear Vasily!
      You correctly posed your questions, I agree with you.

      I will answer you according to my meager principle of mind, in the absence of a modern "concept of the importance of political elasticity of the spine / ie venality".
      1.
      Kvachkov and Khadarov are patriots and acted according to their mind and conscience, perhaps recklessly, without having studied the basics of the revolutionary and underground struggle with the tsarist regime. Those. a priori THEY ARE DANGEROUS for the Kremlin polit-elite! What else, teens, youths and demobilized servicemen will tomorrow FOLLOW their example !?
      2.
      Serdyukov generally can not be prosecuted! Well, how did you allow yourself, my friend!
      He is, after all, "a member of the family at the helm of the Kremlin." Who is now ready of us here to send his loved one to prison for sabotage or treason?
      Patriotism and sense of justice of Comrade Stalin in the struggle for the Motherland - we ALL lack.

      In addition, the dear comrade Serdyukov, however, was not greedy, "he poured contributions to the common fund regularly," he shared with his superiors.

      In a word he is not a thief, he is a SAMPLE of Putin's top OFFICIAL! All new embezzlers will be equal to him.
      But most importantly, he is a loyal, reliable person, he will not give up his friends and patrons, and this is more in today's struggle for power and survival than decency and patriotism ...
      3.
      Well, a man who fought against Russian soldiers and killed them, maybe he realized his mistake ?! (and this happens in war), he decided to atone for his guilt by the peaceful administration of his region, or maybe he simply DID loyalty to the king, (he received the Order), and this is MAIN? Maybe he is a rare ruler of a regional scale?
      There is much unknown to me in this matter!

      Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    2. Stas
      Stas 24 August 2013 15: 12 New
      +7
      Dear, make your own conclusions, I have already made them for myself. This gentleman who has been sitting on the throne for 13 years has been systematically grooming and cherishing his vertical (the horde of officials), replaces the indigenous population with guest performers from the Caucasus and Central Asia (gaining a new electorate for himself), and systematically destroys any competition for himself, so that everyone would say "Well, no we have no one serious to the throne except him. " And the patriots of their homeland are full only no one will let them to the top - we must fight for this.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 August 2013 19: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Stas
        Dear, draw conclusions yourself, I have already made them for myself

        Believe me, dear, and I them, I also made these same conclusions. Moreover, quite a long time ago ...
    3. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 24 August 2013 16: 04 New
      10
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Why did the Russian soldiers who participated in the genocide of the Russian population and in the executions receive the title of Hero and the post of head of the region? ..


      Remind me, I forgot a little - the Hero was earlier assigned than the Victory Avenue was renamed, or vice versa? Who thanked whom?
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 August 2013 19: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: AleksUkr
        Remind me, I forgot a little - the Hero was earlier assigned than the Victory Avenue was renamed, or vice versa? Who thanked whom?

        And what is the actual difference from who thanked whom sooner or later? .. The fact is that the uniform bandyuk and murderer receives one of the most significant awards in Russia (which, by the way, was not received by all those who really deserved it from those who fought in Chechnya!), general's rank (how many real professionals are awarded this title?), academic degree (well, here and without any comments at all, because in this case even senile marasmus is resting!) and so on and so forth and so on ... But list these "other" very, very long ...
        And nobody will wet it (and even more so in the toilet). Because he is needed. Because he is personally loyal and personally loyal ...
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 24 August 2013 19: 38 New
          +3
          Thinking broadly, Sharapov! wink
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 24 August 2013 23: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            Thinking broadly, Sharapov!

            Yes, how does it turn out ... And you, Denis, do not try to play the role of Zhiglov by chance? .. wink
  • vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 24 August 2013 11: 26 New
    12
    Quote: Mr.M


    That’s why Serdyukov doesn’t sit on his bunk, and an honest Russian officer on trumped-up, fake charges sets off to serve his sentence in no time ???


    because Serdyukov is a prostitute, and Khabarov is an honest Russian officer.
    1. rsnv
      rsnv 24 August 2013 18: 32 New
      +6
      Serdyukov does not sit and does not sit down because Serdyukov has an excellent insurance policy for all occasions - his name is V.V. Putin.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 24 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +5
    I do not know what Khabarov has done. Little has been written about this. But here I really heard Kvachkova. There are or were several of his appearances on YouTube. I was surprised by the frivolity with which he urged to take power into his own hands. I immediately had a question, but is it in his mind? If you are preparing a real revolution, then you need to do this, creating a deeply conspiracy organization! I am sure that the members did not have to look for a long time. And if it’s not serious, then why bring it to the Internet and to various meetings? This is really punishable and there is an article. So he got this article. No one wanted to feel sorry for him for his age and past merits. Punished so that others were not in disgrace. Well, the fact that much was far-fetched and not considered by the court does not surprise me. We have such courts and will not be normal for a long time. I know that by myself.
  • Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 24 August 2013 11: 42 New
    +5
    For information - Statistical documents of the Supreme Court. 1937 year - the peak of Stalinist repression: acquittals - 10,3% ≈ 1: 9-10 (each 9-10 was acquitted).

    I am afraid that the author is not quite right, and I may be mistaken. Comrade Vyshinsky, speaking at the jubilee (20th anniversary) meeting of the VChK-OGPU bodies, rightly noted the weakness of the work of the investigating authorities, due to which criminal cases come with a poorly proven prosecution base, as a result of which acquittals reach 50% !!!
    1. Stas
      Stas 24 August 2013 15: 16 New
      +2
      This is probably characteristic of embezzlers and bureaucrats, well, and who have millions.
  • Estrendor
    Estrendor 24 August 2013 11: 55 New
    -16
    Correctly planted this grief warrior.
    1. vasiliysxx
      vasiliysxx 24 August 2013 15: 53 New
      +9
      to begin with, they would read about his military past, for his head the Afghans appointed half a million. you yourself didn’t serve (flat feet yes )
      1. Estrendor
        Estrendor 25 August 2013 01: 40 New
        -3
        Served - Health Category A1.
      2. Airman
        Airman 25 August 2013 20: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: vasiliysxx
        to begin with, they would read about his military past, for his head the Afghans appointed half a million. you yourself didn’t serve (flat feet yes )

        I think flat-faced.
        1. Estrendor
          Estrendor 29 August 2013 07: 32 New
          0
          In addition to toothless insults, there is nothing to answer - of course.
  • Tver
    Tver 24 August 2013 11: 57 New
    0
    Funny ... A man is sitting - it's sad! And reading nonsense is ridiculous! And why are Marxists so naive? Or is it only in Russia they are? In America, Marxists are quite prosperous people, with very decent salaries, well-fed, calm. And here - how they broke loose!
  • dizelniy
    dizelniy 24 August 2013 12: 02 New
    +7
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    And at the moment I do not see a real candidate for Putin's place. You don't need a lot of cleverness to shout "Down with" stupidly. There are a lot of people like that on Bolotnaya. But there is no constructiveness ...

    The concept of the country's development is needed, not the expectation of a messiah. Within the framework of the concept, to determine the political devices and the way of governing the country, the 37th year is waiting for us all very soon. Mobilization of all resources for the survival of the country is indispensable. Listen and watch General Petrov.
  • SerAll
    SerAll 24 August 2013 12: 15 New
    10
    I don't understand the logic of our "boss" ... If you have stolen a lot, a lot, then the case will be put on the brakes, put in a 13-room apartment ... they will leave the car with flashing lights and find a new job. Conclusion - people shared ... But if they didn't share, it's time! (Khadarkovsky ... I don't feel any sympathy for him ... such people should be imprisoned for life ..)
    But look in the patriot of his country, shedding blood for the homeland ... of a traitor? extremist? This is how the country should be at the top F ... sing to put that would replace the concept? I would have put patriots into power, and not ethics from the Zvezdochka cooperative ... buy sell ... Such a country has been blown away ...
    Conclusion: you can steal, but you can’t love and cheer for your country !!! When will it end ???
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 24 August 2013 13: 14 New
      +7
      SerAll SU Today, 12:15
      Good afternoon, dear Sergey!
      I completely agree with you, you are right in your conclusions.

      So, as you can see, if your soul hurts not for your native country, the army, but for your wallet, then you have outlined the "direction" of activity "correctly"!

      Those. discard conscience and honor (especially an officer's), this is a relic and a brake, join and create a cooperative "Zvezdochka-2", start: buy, sell, deceive, steal, and forward to the heights of power !!!

      Here it is THE MOST RIGHT Kremlin patriotism (to the helm, not to the homeland) ...

      So in your opinion and in my opinion too, all these Serdyukovs, etc., reason.

      Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 24 August 2013 13: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: SerAll
      But if you don’t share it, the deadline!

      Khabarov what to share? The truth?
      Quote: SerAll
      When will it end ???

      When the Russian people realize the truth. Then it will end. But in another way.
      1. Airman
        Airman 24 August 2013 19: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: nycsson

        When the Russian people realize the truth. Then it will end. But in another way.

        Who chose EBN for a second term? The people are not, the people voted against, but Berezovsky needed the EBN in power, they elected him, contrary to the will of the people. But what about the voting results? - fake, and it is now recognized. So now, in a legitimate way, they will not give up power, without bloodshed.
    3. Ivan Kalinovich
      Ivan Kalinovich 24 August 2013 13: 35 New
      +4
      SerAll SU
      I agree with you !!!
      But when, it will end ... perhaps something should happen so that the people would unite, perhaps the "elite" under external influence will receive good zvizdyuly and decide on changes, or maybe more Khabarovs-patriots of the Motherland will appear in the depths of the Siberian? !!
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 12: 40 New
    16
    Golden words said man:
    And then we get something like this
  • Raiven
    Raiven 24 August 2013 12: 47 New
    +7
    Now you are for Putin, then you say that he is, hmm, "not very". Decide already
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  • Anatolich
    Anatolich 24 August 2013 13: 07 New
    +5
    You are truly sorry for such a naive.
    Personally, I know more than a dozen people who, without performing the exploits of the galleys, can replace not only the GDP, but the entire government and deputies. NAMES NAME NAMES can vote for your names
    1. Raiven
      Raiven 24 August 2013 13: 22 New
      0
      whom are you? more precisely
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 August 2013 13: 39 New
      -1
      That's right, there are no names
  • michajlo
    michajlo 24 August 2013 13: 51 New
    +8
    Good day to all!

    I want thank all the members of the forum for their cons to me! Regardless of whether you think my thoughts, conclusions and suggestions, write your opinion under mine or not, this is a sign of an exchange of opinions, it does not matter that we are different and think in our own way.

    For me, DIFFERENT WILL NOT RIP, From an opinion this is a sign that this topic is topical and IMPORTANT. Since I do not always understand members of the forum who write an important or principled topic on articles, they tiredly write: the topic is tired, it is already closed, there is no need for it, let us now discuss ONLY ONE "internal cutting of the AKS submachine gun barrel". At the forum, VO is the main thing.

    In technical terms - I agree, the technical parameters and manufacturing technology are very important.
    But one can argue about this only when we overcome DEVELOPMENT and PRIVATIZATION at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, research and development, institutes, design bureaus, vocational schools and the entire educational system.

    But these topics are no longer technical but political and organizational, but without it, our designers and scientists will not create new weapons.

    Therefore, sorry, I repeat from my note above, past the topic of "pluses and minuses" for our opinions and points of view: So dear forum users, besides the words, still it’s probably time to put the classic question: WHAT TO DO? What are the suggestions?

    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 August 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: michajlo
      WHAT TO DO?

      Try changing the Constitution)). Russia should have a state ideology of patriotism.
      1. Airman
        Airman 25 August 2013 20: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: ctepx
        Quote: michajlo
        WHAT TO DO?

        Try changing the Constitution)). Russia should have a state ideology of patriotism.

        The Constitution is written by the Americans, and read carefully how you can amend it. And it can only be changed with a change of power.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 25 August 2013 21: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: Povshnik
          Constitution is written by Americans
          What evidence is there for this?

          and read carefully how you can amend it.
          And what's so unusual?
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 24 August 2013 13: 55 New
    +5
    Another moment from which to live is sick.
    Did I ever think that I would live to the point where the Americans would publicly wipe their ass with the banner of Russia - a symbol of the state?

    There is no need to be "seven spans in the forehead" to understand: while people like Kvachkov and Khabarov are sitting, we will not be able to influence the situation. As long as there is oil, the price for it is pensions and salaries for warriors, but there is no economic development, 90% of the Union's developments are used. Since the release of the "perestroika searchlight", 25 years have passed. I think we need to collect signatures on the Internet. 100 thousand signatures and they will be released, the criminal cases will be reviewed. I see no other way out for Russia.
  • Severok
    Severok 24 August 2013 14: 05 New
    11
    Passed by those who live with fat and sweetness in GDP, who use people like paper. Or those who do not know and do not understand what is happening.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 14: 08 New
      -4
      Quote: Severok
      Passed by those who live in GDP with fat and sweet

      come to visit me, I think after you clean the goat’s, you won’t speak more about fat and sweet life
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 15: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        how to clean the goat house

        And then to me. it will be necessary to take out manure to the field. Four carts. Tractor. Ship manually ..
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 15: 35 New
          0
          I'm afraid before you he will not agree to go
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 16: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            before you he will not agree to go

            So, always like that ... All by myself ... All by myself ... sad
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 16: 15 New
              0
              do not worry, unfortunately I think he will not get to me.
              1. lewerlin53rus
                lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 16: 23 New
                -2
                Yeah, such people are usually nothing heavier. memberthey did not hold a computer mouse in their hands ...
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 24 August 2013 16: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            I'm afraid before you he will not agree to go

            It all depends on what strength and to what point to give the body acceleration .. wink
            1. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus 24 August 2013 16: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Tersky
              which power and to what point

              And the direction must be set correctly wink
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 16: 35 New
              0
              Well, I don’t know, although to be honest, some of them sometimes need to be sent as a preventive measure
  • michajlo
    michajlo 24 August 2013 14: 26 New
    +5
    Quote: shpuntik
    Today, 13: 55
    Another point from which to live ...

    There is no need to be "seven spans in the forehead" to understand: while people like Kvachkov and Khabarov are sitting, we will not be able to influence the situation. As long as there is oil, the price for it is pensions and salaries for warriors, but there is no economic development, 90% of the Union's developments are used. Since the release of the "perestroika searchlight", 25 years have passed. I think it is necessary to collect signatures on the Internet. 100 thousand signatures and they will be released, review criminal cases. I see no other way out for Russia.

    Good afternoon, dear Roman! I AGREE WITH YOUR OFFER.

    I have a question for everyone:
    - What should be the form / form of such REQUIREMENTs for the review of their criminal cases in a different composition of the members of the court?

    - How many of you know serious lawyers, who are ready for the principle of justice, to advise / check the TEXT of this Requirement FOR MONEY, to enter the necessary paragraphs, numbers of laws and legal proceedings?

    P.S. here for about 2 weeks there was a proposal from some members of the forum to the Admins to draw up a Request for the reward of dead and living military personnel who saved children from a school captured by the militants (in Beslan, if I am not mistaken ... on awarding Sergeant Danil Blarneysky and all other platoon soldiers (both living and dead) with the highest award in Russia! )
    As far as I know, all the wishes to sign such a requirement remained in the air? From admins or others yet did not see any feedback?
    (my note here: http://topwar.ru/index.php?cstart=5&do=lastcomments&userid=51494#comment,., michajlo SK August 5, 2013 13:49 | About cattle and People)

    Or was the text of this Requirement being worked out by someone ?, or were all our opinions and suggestions just empty words of active members of the forum?

    Or do we require a lot from the admins? (this can also be), and one of us or 2-3 members of the forum should do this?

    Whom would you suggest from members of the forum for such a necessary and FREE activity?

    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 24 August 2013 14: 28 New
    +6
    Well, actually, Khabarov should be proud of what he is accused of, if he is an opponent of the regime, then he did everything right. If he is an opponent of the regime only in words, but most likely it is, otherwise what’s the point of sending in the direction of Putin, then of course yes, unfortunately there are many ...
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  • michajlo
    michajlo 24 August 2013 15: 02 New
    +5
    tungus-meteorit (2) SU Today, 14:36 PM New
    Supporters of the Khabarovsk and Kvachkovskys come from the same camp as the Berezovskys and Bulk, and therefore it is not surprising that the enemies of Russia work on this site, conduct their own propaganda, and work out their own State Department grants.


    Good afternoon, dear Iskander!

    Let me disappoint you, here our opinions differ, and I do not consider this a disaster for me. I a priori for Khabarov and Kvachkov, because of their desire to change something and not just fuss.

    I will have to disappoint you, although I am writing from Slovakia, but I say what I think and what conclusions I have come to. Already in the first weeks I read about myself here on the site that if I do not shout at UNISON "Glory to the Kremlin steering!", Then I am an easily inspired type, I am drawn by the "swamp spirit", I repeat "shouts in front of the American embassy" and other unfounded accusations or a new one from you (in general, it was said, not to me personally), that "Russia's enemies work on this site, that every critic of the government works out the State Department grants."

    Question to you?
    What do you think, if we are not all the sons of the Union and the Patriots of the USSR / Russia, but just get worn out and then EVERYTHING will be quiet here, like the whole "office plankton", but only such "brave madmen" as Khabarov and Kvachkov will increase the number n-times, what will the Russian people's power do then?

    “Will it only strengthen the protection of the members and the habitats of their passengers?”

    - Or he will understand that he is flirting with his own fate (not the fate of Russia, there it’s a damn for them),
    - And they will begin to rob people less and do something for the protection of the people, not the oligarchs.
    Especially when you consider that the vast majority of oligarchs and the young ones (all 100%), in my opinion, are just dummies who cover the real owners behind the stage.

    Sincerely, Mihaylo.
    1. tungus-meteorit
      tungus-meteorit 24 August 2013 15: 24 New
      -8
      You are deeply mistaken! and this site has long been the mouthpiece of the CIA, Mossad and MI-6
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    1. Apollo
      Apollo 24 August 2013 15: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: tungus-meteorit
      The rebellious moods of society are used


      You get a warning for flood, 11 comments and all of one content.
      1. rsnv
        rsnv 24 August 2013 18: 42 New
        +2
        Yes, it does not flood, it is obvious that the only gyrus in the brain is looped, it's time to click on Reset.
  • Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 15: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: indifferent
    I do not know what Khabarov has done. Little has been written about this. But here I really heard Kvachkova. There are or were several of his appearances on YouTube. I was surprised by the frivolity with which he urged to take power into his own hands. I immediately had a question, but is it in his mind? If you are preparing a real revolution, then you need to do this, creating a deeply conspiracy organization! I am sure that the members did not have to look for a long time. And if it’s not serious, then why bring it to the Internet and to various meetings? This is really punishable and there is an article. So he got this article. No one wanted to feel sorry for him for his age and past merits. Punished so that others were not in disgrace. Well, the fact that much was far-fetched and not considered by the court does not surprise me. We have such courts and will not be normal for a long time. I know that by myself.


    I am amazed for what the man was put to minus for an absolutely adequate opinion


    I’ll earn myself too: he reminds me of Gapon Georgy Apollonovich
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 24 August 2013 16: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel
      Quote: indifferent
      I do not know what Khabarov has done. Little has been written about this. But here I really heard Kvachkova. There are or were several of his appearances on YouTube. I was surprised by the frivolity with which he urged to take power into his own hands. I immediately had a question, but is it in his mind? If you are preparing a real revolution, then you need to do this, creating a deeply conspiracy organization! I am sure that the members did not have to look for a long time. And if it’s not serious, then why bring it to the Internet and to various meetings? This is really punishable and there is an article. So he got this article. No one wanted to feel sorry for him for his age and past merits. Punished so that others were not in disgrace. Well, the fact that much was far-fetched and not considered by the court does not surprise me. We have such courts and will not be normal for a long time. I know that by myself.


      I am amazed for what the man was put to minus for an absolutely adequate opinion


      I’ll earn myself too: he reminds me of Gapon Georgy Apollonovich


      Well, completeness you are not so much he and minuses instructed at this point in time! Well, in our country they dislike the left of the right and the right of the left, but especially both of them dislike the INDIVIDUAL! from here I put and minuses as they say as the yacht is called so it will sail hi
  • Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 16: 00 New
    +5
    Gapon Georgy Apollonovich (real surname Gapon-Novykh) (1870-1906), priest, initiator of the organization "Assembly of Russian factory workers of St. Petersburg."

    He was born on February 17, 1870 in the village of Belyaki, Kobelyak district of the Poltava province (now in Ukraine) in a wealthy peasant family of the volost clerk. He graduated from the theological school in Poltava, then the Poltava Theological Seminary (1893), later studied at the St. Petersburg Theological Academy (1898-1903).

    Influenced by the teachings of Leo Tolstoy on non-resistance to evil by violence, Gapon dreamed of rebuilding life on reasonable, moral grounds. Speaking in sermons and charity work, he soon became popular with the people. Gapon compiled and submitted a report to the authorities with a plan for the construction of work houses and workers' colonies, "who are supposed to ease the suffering of those in need."

    This was interested in the head of the Moscow Security Department S.V. Zubatov. At his suggestion, Gapon in 1903 created the organization “Meeting of Russian factory workers of St. Petersburg”, which was engaged in enlightenment and mutual assistance. A working asset of the “Assembly”, contrary to the wishes of the organizer, proposed to draw up a petition (petition) to the government, hoping to improve its situation. Gapon, under pressure from the workers, agreed to lead the march of the people to the Winter Palace. The shooting of a peaceful demonstration on January 9, 1905 (Bloody Sunday) marked the beginning of the first Russian revolution. With the help of the Social Revolutionaries, Gapon managed to escape abroad.

    In London, he wrote a memoir, “The Story of My Life,” and there he gave the emissaries of the tsarist police consent to cooperate with them. For this, he was allowed to return to Russia. Here in 1906, at the request of the police department, Gapon tried to obtain from Social Revolutionary P. Rutenberg the extradition of members of the "Combat Organization" of the Socialist Revolutionaries. Their meeting took place on April 10, 1906 at a cottage in Ozerki near St. Petersburg.

    In the next room there were workers and Socialist-Revolutionaries, who, making sure that Gapon was a provocateur, were tried and hanged here.

    I do not claim that Kvachkov and Khabarov are provocateurs, but their actions are a sheer provocation against the authorities swallowed or not.
    “Hell is full of good meaning and wishings” - “Hell is full of good intentions and desires”
  • Day 11
    Day 11 24 August 2013 16: 11 New
    -2
    Gentlemen Admins! You should have covered this thread (away from sin). It is unnecessary to discuss this in OPEN access. Half have already spoken to the article! I'm not from the authorities, I just need to turn on my head sometimes
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 24 August 2013 16: 47 New
      +5
      Come on, we will facilitate the work of the FSB :).
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 24 August 2013 17: 33 New
      +6
      Here is another example of how quietly they offer to hush up the matter, no matter what happens.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 24 August 2013 16: 43 New
    +8
    Quote: Den 11
    Gentlemen Admins! You should have covered this thread (away from sin). It is unnecessary to discuss this in OPEN access. Half have already spoken to the article! I'm not from the authorities, I just need to turn on my head sometimes

    Good afternoon, dear Denis! Thank you very much for a reasonable warning. I can not take this opportunity, I allow myself to ask you to briefly review my Notes on this article (10).

    Are you interested in your competent opinion? Do you think I personally in my simple-minded statements: - ALREADY BEYOND the law, or still fit into the framework of the law?

    From myself, I can only add the words from the song of the great son of Russia (V.S. Vysotsky):
    "... I will open the Code on any page
    And I can't, I read to the end "


    Thank you in advance
    for your opinion on the style and presentation of my opinions! Mikhailo.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 24 August 2013 17: 14 New
      0
      I read your thoughts. What can I say? If you are a provocateur, then ... People will figure it out. If an honest person, you do not need this in the public domain! In general, I agree
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 24 August 2013 18: 14 New
        +7
        Den 11 (4) RU Today, 17:14

        Thank you Denis for your rating!

        Regarding the fact that I am a "provocateur, then ...", here I am not worried, time will tell, it is the most accurate judge.

        If "I am an honest person ...", why do you think it is not worthwhile to openly write your thoughts, doubts, conclusions or suggestions?

        Explain please to me slow-witted. Those. should I express myself in the language of Aesop, hide my thought so that I myself could not later understand my sentences? Or how? That is, in my case, is a direct and clear opinion initially bad, dangerous for me, or is it safer / calmer just the usual "ostrich position"?

        But we are not "Jesuits" here to hide our poisonous teeth behind sweet words and a friendly smile?

        Why am I caught in the "snake codlo" and so trusting and stupid that I did not understand?

        Thank you in advance for your opinion on my questions to you! Mikhailo.
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  • rsnv
    rsnv 24 August 2013 17: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Trinity
    I wonder where these clowns were when the USSR fell apart? Why did they only activate before the 2012 presidential election? Or when the Union cracked at the seams, did they care?


    Troitsky, where were you? Do not be shy, tell us how you stood up in defense of the USSR and the gains of socialism
  • ew32sdgd
    ew32sdgd 24 August 2013 17: 38 New
    0
    Have you heard the news? Now GDD fines us without notice, and then impose
    even more fines for non-payment. So I recently found 2qu. com / gbddru -
    free service where you can check by state car number:
    availability, price and lines of payment of fines. The only good thing is that fines can be
    appeal - I imagine 8 yew. saved. I advise everyone, but you never know
  • Day 11
    Day 11 24 August 2013 17: 41 New
    +1
    How do you like this?
  • Zubr
    Zubr 24 August 2013 18: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: vladsolo56
    They are leaders, and therefore they plant them because they are afraid.

    This Khabarov’s letter is a brilliant answer to the following article by Polyakov. There are people who can and should be allowed to power. But who will allow such? They will immediately restore order!


    That's right, in muddy water it is always easier to catch fish .....
  • atomic
    atomic 24 August 2013 21: 02 New
    +5
    People, you haven’t realized for twenty years that you live in an occupied country? We have the Ministry of Internal Affairs (policemen) larger in number than the army, who are we fighting against? We lost in the Cold War, and the goal of any war is to seize resources. You look around everywhere British petroleum, bi-morgan, etc. And Putin behaves neither as a people's president, but as a Gauleiter of Russia.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 24 August 2013 21: 08 New
      0
      Is socialism in Kazakhstan?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 August 2013 21: 13 New
      -4
      Quote: atomic
      Our Ministry of Internal Affairs (policemen) is larger in number than the army, against whom are we fighting?

      can you give the numbers ?!
      1. rsnv
        rsnv 24 August 2013 22: 43 New
        +4
        These numbers are not secret.

        About the number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs see: http://mvd.ru/upload/site1/luda_doc/_352-13.pdf - only the number of policemen financed from the federal budget is indicated here, there are still policemen financed from local budgets, they are much smaller and they no luck (less salary), but they are.
        The number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is slightly less than 1 million people, according to some reports, 800 - 900 thousand people.
        So there are more policemen.
        If we add colleagues from the FSB, FSO, UFSIN, FSKN to the policemen, then there will be more policemen and their colleagues than defenders of the Motherland, two times, or maybe more. This suggests the conclusion of whom this state is more afraid of, an external enemy or its own people.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 00: 30 New
          -2
          for the military forum extremely strange explanations
          1. From the link that you gave it is already clear that there are fewer police officers (and not all those working in the VD) - 782 thousand
          2. you somehow forgot about the border troops, about the internal troops.
          Quote: rsnv
          If we add colleagues from the FSB, FSO, UFSIN, FSKN to the policemen, then there will be more policemen and their colleagues than defenders of the Motherland

          and this is rudeness in relation to the people who defend the homeland, or do you think that in all the structures you listed are loafers?
          and in the face of those relatives who died while doing their duty, you can repeat it !!! !!!
          1. rsnv
            rsnv 25 August 2013 02: 02 New
            +4
            1) These people are not defending their homeland, they are defending the political system. They do not defend their homeland from their people, they defend their homeland from external enemies, and this is the main task of the Armed Forces, and not the Ministry of Internal Affairs (Ministry of Internal Affairs) and similar structures.
            2) Where did I say that all the power structures listed by me are loafers? A comparison was made of their numbers with the number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, that's all. If something seems to you or seemed to you, then this is your problem. If you don’t like the conclusion I made at the end of my post, you can challenge it, but don’t put pressure on the psyche with cheap demagogy, dragging the relatives of the victims here.
            1. Sour
              Sour 25 August 2013 14: 03 New
              0
              The internal troops and militia militias (like riot police and special forces), defending the territorial integrity of Russia, shed blood no less than others, or even more. This, in your opinion, is not the defense of the Motherland? This is a hundred times more defense of the motherland than a war on foreign territory, it is not clear in the name of what, it is incomprehensible against whom and why. And as for the war with its people ... The Supreme Council in 1993 was fired from tanks not by internal troops, but by those who had to fight exclusively against an external enemy. So you do not need to write nonsense, think first.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 25 August 2013 14: 11 New
                0
                Hero of Russia Shoigu say thanks
              2. rsnv
                rsnv 25 August 2013 15: 21 New
                +1
                Calm down, Sour. What should I write and what not, I will figure it out without your advice. In my post, I have not mentioned the Internal Troops anywhere. As for the participation of the explosives in the events of 1993, it was they who staged the bloody massacre in Ostankino, only it was not shown on TV, unlike the firing of several tanks controlled by purchased thugs at the White House. As a consequence of these events, there was also the protection of the territorial integrity of Russia (thanks to the EBN and those who supported him in 1993), so "what they fought for and ran into it." I have never belittled the military merits of the units you mentioned, but I believe that the main burden of the first and second Chechen wars was borne by the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 15: 25 New
                  -3
                  Quote: rsnv
                  In my post, I never mentioned the Internal Troops

                  That's it, but at the same time give a comparative analysis of the number
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 14: 21 New
              -4
              Quote: rsnv
              These people are not defending their homeland, they are defending the political system. They do not defend their homeland from their people, they defend their homeland from external enemies, and this is the main task of the Armed Forces, and not the Ministry of Internal Affairs (Ministry of Internal Affairs) and similar structures.

              such nonsense en military forum, I don’t even know what to say

              Article 2. Tasks of the internal troops


              Internal forces are assigned the following tasks:
              participation together with the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the internal affairs bodies) in protecting public order, ensuring public safety and the state of emergency;
              participation in the fight against terrorism and ensuring the legal regime of the counter-terrorist operation;
              protection of important state facilities and special cargoes;
              participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation;
              assisting the border agencies of the federal security service in protecting the state border


              A comparison was made of their numbers with the number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, that's all
              with what is extremely illiterate
              Quote: rsnv
              but it’s not worthwhile to put pressure on the psyche with cheap demagogy, dragging in the relatives of the dead here

              Well, well, you said that they are defending their homeland, and what’s the matter
              1. rsnv
                rsnv 25 August 2013 15: 29 New
                0
                When you don’t know what to say, it’s better not to say anything in order to pass for the clever - that’s the wisdom of the people. She also says that it is not good to distort other people's words and use holy concepts to prove one's truth, real or imaginary.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 15: 35 New
                  -3
                  and no one distorted anything, you clearly and distinctly wrote that the function of the police, the FSB and others is exclusively in repressing the people and protecting the government from this people.
                  you illiterate the numbers brought together in one pile, so that maybe you better keep silent
                  1. rsnv
                    rsnv 25 August 2013 16: 04 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    You clearly and distinctly wrote that the function of the police, the FSB and others is exclusively in repressing the people and protecting the government from this people.


                    Where did I write this "clearly and distinctly"? If you have visual and semantic hallucinations, it's not my fault. I wrote that the main function of your favorite structures is to protect the social and political system. Everything else is a figment of your imagination, but simply slander.

                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    you illiterate the numbers brought together in one pile, so that maybe you better keep silent

                    My illiteracy, very far from your literacy, so that I better really shut up ...

                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    You clearly and distinctly wrote

                    Dear literate, they speak "clearly and distinctly", not write.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 August 2013 16: 50 New
                      -3
                      Quote: rsnv
                      Where did I write this "clearly and distinctly"? If you have visual and semantic hallucinations, it's not my fault. I wrote that the main function of your favorite structures is to protect the social and political system.

                      This suggests the conclusion of whom this state is more afraid of, an external enemy or its own people.
                      eo your phrase about the number of FSB police and other structures
                      Quote: rsnv
                      Dear literate, they speak "clearly and distinctly", not write

                      you understood the meaning but you need to get out
                      1. rsnv
                        rsnv 25 August 2013 17: 03 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        eo your phrase about the number of FSB police and other structures


                        That's it, about the quantity, and excessively large, about the main function - the protection of the socio-political system, and not about the repression and other things that you dreamed about.

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you understood the meaning but you need to get out


                        It is impossible to find meaning where it does not exist, but there is a conscious or unconscious distorted interpretation of other people's words, so in this case you "twist".
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 25 August 2013 03: 31 New
      +6
      Quote: atomic
      People, you have not realized for twenty years that you live in an occupied country?
      Look in the dictionary for the meaning of occupation.

      We lost in the cold war
      Act of surrender to the table.

      But Putin does not act as a people's president, but as a Gauleiter of Russia.
      True, but this does not mean at all that we have lost or occupied something — this means that the Government pursues exclusively its interests. which for a number of reasons coincide with the interests of the West.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 25 August 2013 03: 57 New
        +1
        Act of surrender to the table.


        Russia also did not capitulate in the RJV. But half of Sakhalin lost. And then half of the country lost.

        True, but this does not mean at all that we have lost or occupied something — this means that the Government pursues exclusively its interests. which for a number of reasons coincide with the interests of the West.


        Lost - yes, occupied - now - no, in 90's - yes. Just the result of this defeat was the emergence of this power. And her interests are those of the oligarchs, and not of the people.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 25 August 2013 04: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: alicante11
          Russia also did not capitulate in the RJV. But half of Sakhalin lost. And then half of the country lost.
          Incorrect analogy - no parallels.

          Lost - yes, occupied - now - no, in the 90s - yes.
          Not lost, not occupied.

          Just the result of this defeat was the emergence of this power.
          The emergence of this power in 2000 was preceded by a system of destructive actions carried out during 25-30 years.

          And her interests are those of the oligarchs, and not of the people.
          Right.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 25 August 2013 05: 19 New
            +3
            Incorrect analogy - no parallels.


            Not entirely correct. But still, it has a right to exist. If you look from the legal side.

            Not lost, not occupied.


            And what then happened in the 90s, when amerskie "advisers" ruled the country through EBE and the company?

            The emergence of this power in 2000 was preceded by a system of destructive actions carried out during 25-30 years.


            And who conducted it? Gorbi and Co., Fuck and Co. under the supervision of Western intelligence agencies.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 25 August 2013 15: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Not quite correct
              It is completely incorrect: in one case, the country "played poker" and lost the game, in the other, the socio-political system was replaced and the union of states ceased to exist.

              And what then happened in the 90s, when amerskie "advisers" ruled the country through EBE and the company?
              And where did you get the idea that they taxied, and did not advise?

              And who conducted it?
              The structure that led labeled to power.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2013 12: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet
        True, but this does not mean at all that we have lost or occupied something — this means that the Government pursues exclusively its interests. which for a number of reasons coincide with the interests of the West.

        He must have seen enough of Fedorov .......
        1. rsnv
          rsnv 25 August 2013 13: 06 New
          +4
          "Who is Yevgeny Fyodorov? This is a bureaucratic and political man, raised in the Chubais-Kudrin team and is still tightly connected with it. Despite his biography, it is Fedorov who is now shouting loudest about the patriotism of the United Russia party and President Putin," at the same time and together with them, "merging" the sovereignty of Russia by ratifying the agreements on the WTO and by any other means available to the deputy of United Russia. " (source http://kir-t34.livejournal.com/59752.html)

          "When they often start talking about patriotism, it means that something has been stolen again!" (Mikhail Evgrafovich Saltykov-Shchedrin)
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 25 August 2013 15: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: nycsson
          He must have seen enough of Fedorov .......
          It is not excluded.
          In general, for various reasons, very many people want to blame everything on insurmountable difficulties, circumstances, and forces.
          1. rsnv
            rsnv 25 August 2013 16: 24 New
            +2
            And it’s much easier to live like this, you don’t need to think, strain your brains. It's easier to become a "Fedorov's witness" or "Jehovah's witness". The evidence base, with the exception of nuances, is approximately the same for the former and the latter.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 24 August 2013 21: 18 New
    +2
    And that you gentlemen officers molested Chubais?
    He is only fulfilling his position.
    And performs as honestly as most of you.
    And boldly.
    He can’t understand what it can turn into for him - he’s a fool.

    The affairs of Ilyukhin, Limonov, Navalny and Khabarov - no matter how different these personalities are - are sewn with one thread bought for dollars.

    And there were more than one bells and whistle on Bolotnaya.

    And if this is not worth discussing here IN OPEN ACCESS, then where then?
    On foreign sites?
    Do their owners and administrators need an independent Russia?
    However, does our "political elite" (and it is very heterogeneous, at least two Caudlers are there for sure) does an independent Russia need?
    So far, only one thing is clear - they need a "controlled" Russia.
    But Russia is the birthplace of the idea of ​​anarchism.
    Anarchy implies an awareness of the need to comply with the rules of social behavior.
    But to realize this, high education is needed.
    Even higher than it was in the USSR. And while it is deliberately decreasing.
    And instead of education, the people of Russia are being obsessed with religiosity.
    Not so much because religion dulls.
    Religion, in the first place, implies an uncritical acceptance of secular power and its commands.
    Because God so pleased.
    Suitably fit for God abdomen. (C) Folk wisdom.
    1. Dober
      Dober 26 August 2013 02: 35 New
      0
      Quote: dustycat
      So far, only one thing is clear - they need a "controlled" Russia.

      Quote: dustycat
      But Russia is the birthplace of the idea of ​​anarchism.

      Quote: dustycat
      And instead of education, the people of Russia are being obsessed with religiosity.

      Quote: dustycat
      Not so much because religion dulls.

      Trotskyist? And the "boys in black jackets" have already been raised in the composition?
      Such a Venegret would be ashamed to publish on their own behalf ...

      Quote: dustycat
      Religion, in the first place, implies an uncritical acceptance of secular power and its commands.
      Because God so pleased.

      GOD is always capitalized. Go is not spelled in any way, or it is spelled like this "Gd".
      Did you miss the "red star - the symbol of Solomon's house"?
      Does Mr. Putin's words "about 37 years old" mean anything?
      Quote: dustycat
      Suitably fit for God abdomen. (C) Folk wisdom.

      Well, definitely "from the people" ...
      Right now, there is "nobody", but you want to "become everything", and for this "we will destroy the world of violence."
      Rush three-story palaces around his blue, smelly shacky shack, and do not touch the church!

      "Dusty Cats" stuff their belly in garbage dumps, not in houses. (folk wisdom)
  • Day 11
    Day 11 24 August 2013 21: 30 New
    +3
    Guys! We’re going to other branches! Mattresses are just waiting for us to gnaw each other’s throats!
    1. Dober
      Dober 26 August 2013 02: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      All too hot

      "On adjacent branches" will be the same.
      Well, do not take this away from us ... Do not take away ...
      This is bad?
      Who is for whom, and Russian is for everyone ...
      Heck heart, hell head off ...
      Russia will dry last.
  • harrymur
    harrymur 24 August 2013 21: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    How do you like this?


    the only right decision for a soldier who’s tired of killing, it’s like they don’t offend a soldier,
    if you want war, go to the Caucasus, engage in PMCs,
    in Russia they are very suspicious of the Decembrists, the story is your mother, in Russian, without a warrior, no revolution has a chance,
    if the dream of war, then you are looking for it, I personally do not need the Decembrists-wolfhounds in the Kremlin, enough shtirlitsa, DIG THE STRAWBERRY !!!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 24 August 2013 21: 42 New
      +1
      Chaotic, but the meaning is clear!
      1. Dober
        Dober 26 August 2013 02: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        Randomly

        Fine...
        That's why he "harrimur"... In girlhood Igor.
        For a year and a half he has been a captain. "Exclusively for the truth"
        Keep it up!
        Who needs - he understood drinks
    2. sashka
      sashka 25 August 2013 04: 21 New
      +2
      Now this heap of words needs to be put in order? The rest is "to speculate" .. Thieves and bandits are driving. And even the Military Prosecutor's Office does not see any grounds for planting .. Everything is good, even just a joke ...
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 24 August 2013 21: 57 New
    +6
    any power, whatever it may be, always protects itself and its interests and bewitches itself from any romantics of patriots and dissenting citizens who are eager for revolutions who somehow claim it! It has always been so under any authority from Ivan the Terrible to the present day and we are no exception to the rule right now! Previously, you had to think earlier !!! where all these cheers patriots were when they signed the death penalty to Soviet Union A !! SOMEONE DIDN'T COME TO SECURITY !!! But then there was a real chance to fix everything !! all proffukali moment! but now there’s no one who is going to give the current power a third chance! Naturally, she methodically moves those people who theoretically can raise people to a riot! and what else did you expect!
    And personally Khabarov, as a true Russian patriot of the officer, it’s a pity! It’s such people that I would like to see in the state structures and not in prisons, and it’s a pity that the real people, the patriots and officers of their homeland, at all times and honored, were always the most suffering and persecuted! ! and not even in wars, namely, from the kings and leaders of this Motherland themselves who are always wary of those strong personalities who can compete with them because loyal and venal bureaucrats are always easier to manipulate than patriotic military officers!
    1. sashka
      sashka 25 August 2013 04: 36 New
      +3
      Well screamed .. from the soul .. It turns out there are still people who are experiencing ..
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 August 2013 13: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: regressSSSR
      And personally Khabarov as a true Russian patriot officer

      Swan was also a real officer. And he got into politics - they crippled me in shit. Being a governor I could not defend for military patriotics. Although ... Nobody could.
    3. Dober
      Dober 26 August 2013 03: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: regressSSSR
      SOMEONE DIDN'T COME TO SECURITY !!!

      Hi Dim !!!
      Sorry - illiterate, confused, emotional, but from the heart!
      You will call, based on what has been written, "to the Kremlin" - I will refuse. Enough of the newsreels with the bawdy faces of the sailors.
      Start with the local authorities - I’ll come and take part to the best of my ability.
      Although the cops are sincerely sorry - with whom to go. Or with the blowing power of them, or with the neighbors brought "to the handle" ...