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For the first time in the history of the Airborne Forces, 16 women were immediately appointed platoon commanders.

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For the first time in the history of the Airborne Forces, 16 women were immediately appointed platoon commanders.

For the first time in stories Russian Airborne Forces immediately 16 women received command positions, said on Friday, a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense Airborne Forces Major Irina Kruglova.
"For the first time in the modern history of the Airborne Forces in August of this year, the troops arrived and began to perform their official duties as women's lieutenants 16," Kruglova said, ITAR-TASS.
According to her, all those who received command posts of the paratroopers are 2013 graduates of the year.
In addition, 14 of them - officers of the airborne service, graduates of the Ryazan Airborne School. Margelova, one - a graduate of the Military Academy of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Forces, another one is a military psychologist from the Military University of the Russian Defense Ministry.
Kruglova noted that all of them were appointed to command positions and became platoon commanders. Most of them will serve in the Tula and Novorossiysk airborne units.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 24 August 2013 06: 55 New
    27
    On the one hand, of course, the global trend ... But on the other, there is no place for a woman in the army. Especially in ours.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 24 August 2013 07: 04 New
      26
      You can certainly find a place in the army: a stationary radio operator, honey. service, etc. Here, before the 1st war, all the romance is blown away by the wind. Women certainly should be in the army but in their place.
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 24 August 2013 07: 09 New
        13
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Women, of course, should be in the army but in their place

        Absolutely right! Especially in peacetime.
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 24 August 2013 12: 05 New
          -3
          Why do you think peacetime is now? In 20 years, 250 Russians were killed in Chechnya alone.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 August 2013 16: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: JACOB
            In 20 years, 250 Russians were killed in Chechnya alone.

            Where are the numbers from?
          2. alone
            alone 24 August 2013 23: 24 New
            0
            belay how much, how much? According to the 1989 All-Union Population Census, the number of Russians was 269 ​​or 130% of the population of the then Chechen-Ingushetia. Do you want to say that almost no one survived?
          3. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 26 August 2013 10: 51 New
            +1
            In 2002, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that "as a result of ethnic cleansing in Chechnya, up to 30 thousand people died, and possibly more." Not 250 of course, but on a small town typed.
            1. Lech from ZATULINKI
              Lech from ZATULINKI 26 August 2013 11: 02 New
              +2
              YES, it’s like this - every day in GROZNY and even in CHECHNYA In those years, hundreds of Russian people were killed - it was the real GENOCIDE of the Russian population.
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 26 August 2013 14: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
                YES, it’s like this - every day in GROZNY and even in CHECHNYA In those years, hundreds of Russian people were killed - it was the real GENOCIDE of the Russian population.


                Old people, women and children. Like in Syria. The methods of the barbarians are one and indistinguishable.
      2. Constantine
        Constantine 24 August 2013 08: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        You can certainly find a place in the army: a stationary radio operator, honey. service, etc. Here, before the 1st war, all the romance is blown away by the wind. Women certainly should be in the army but in their place.


        I agree. The Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps, and a number of other arms are purely male. If you already feel like fighting, then you can go to front-line aviation, for example.
        1. little man
          little man 24 August 2013 20: 47 New
          +3
          I once read that women are tenacious men, and even meaner than a hundred devils! In my ex authoritatively declare.
          If they will be like Nikita, or like Mila Lvovich there, then they will hold the flag in their hands!
          1. vkrav
            vkrav 25 August 2013 15: 11 New
            +4
            and even meaner than a hundred devils!

            That’s the truth, that’s the truth! That is why in south-east Asia there were always women as executioners-investigators. Yes, and the Nazis gave some type of Frau to any Gestapo’s a hundred points ahead. And on the topic - they want to serve, let them serve.
      3. Airman
        Airman 24 August 2013 20: 23 New
        +8
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        You can certainly find a place in the army: a stationary radio operator, honey. service, etc. Here, before the 1st war, all the romance is blown away by the wind. Women certainly should be in the army but in their place.

        Read carefully, 14 of them, airborne service officers, that is, they will monitor, teach, help in the laying of parachutes, etc. They will make jumps, but they’re unlikely to command combat units. And 2 more staff posts in general.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 25 August 2013 12: 34 New
          13
          Quote: Povshnik

          Read carefully, 14 of them, airborne service officers, that is, they will monitor, teach, help in the laying of parachutes, etc.


          Sorry for directness, but they will not watch these girls, nor teach, nor help in laying parachutes, however, like so on.

          ARGUMENTING: After a short time, they will be dumped first on maternity leave, and then on leave to care for the child, then without leaving the vacation - again maternity leave, and again leave. And in part they will be seen only briefly, bringing some kind of reference to the fin.chast. So in the rank grow up.
          It would be nothing, BUT ...
          1st They take a place in the state, and no one will come to this place.
          2nd Their official duties, without a doubt, will be assigned to someone, naturally on an unpaid basis.

          CONCLUSION: Of course, they won’t make up the competition for Serdyukov, but this, too, inherently cut the budget of the MO only with a nail file.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 12 New
            0
            If it relates to them like that, then it will be so. When the attitude is normal and not derogatory, women are more than effective as soldiers.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 25 August 2013 16: 36 New
              +4
              You about reality, and in response to you some nonsense about the fighting qualities of women exceeding men's similar qualities, then about fighting buggers (your comment below).
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 46 New
                -2
                Respected. I am also about reality. I have served with women side by side, and I have a clear idea of ​​what I am talking about. You know, I even know those who served the so-called. "fighting buggers". One served in the Dutch UN contingent, was wounded, the second in intelligence. AND? Do you really think that there are no gays in the Russian army, or that orientation affects combat qualities?
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 25 August 2013 17: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  I served with women side by side, and I have a clear idea of ​​what I'm talking about.


                  Name these women, for clarity. Chur just do not invent on the go. smile

                  Quote: Pimply
                  You know, I even know those who served the so-called. "fighting buggers". One served in the Dutch UN contingent, was wounded,


                  laughing laughing laughing I guess in what place this wounded warrior was, it’s not difficult to guess what this wound was inflicted on. It doesn’t matter, let the Geylander be darned with a torn hollow with a fishing line and be like new.

                  Quote: Pimply
                  Do you really think that there are no gays in the Russian army


                  I, somehow not in the subject of the presence of buggers in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation but why the hell did they surrender to me? And I do not advise you to conduct such a survey there - they will beat it, this is the most successful that can happen.


                  Quote: Pimply
                  or does orientation affect combat qualities?



                  Undoubtedly affected! The presence of a pederast soldier in a combat unit is another reason for the conflict. Is it on anyone? Not before.
          2. Sadroger
            Sadroger 26 August 2013 13: 11 New
            0
            Everything is correctly said, that is exactly what 90% of officers will have.
        2. Sadroger
          Sadroger 26 August 2013 13: 10 New
          0
          Correctly say - "read carefully". We read carefully - "... they are all appointed to the positions of platoon commanders ..."
    2. Che
      Che 24 August 2013 07: 07 New
      22
      A woman is a woman, in case of war everyone will fight with the enemy, and in peacetime - signalmen, paperwork, warehouses and more. Full-march throws, hefty men in submission? Personally, I am against.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 06 New
        -12
        Arguing?
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 39 New
            +7
            Quote: yanus
            Go to the beach with your Dzahal. Normal argument?

            Stupid. What could be the answer of a boor who could not find an argument?
        2. Drosselmeyer
          Drosselmeyer 24 August 2013 19: 17 New
          +1
          What do you argue for? You live on a volcano, well, live on.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 40 New
            +1
            That is, you have no argument?
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 24 August 2013 16: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Che
        A woman is a woman, in case of war everyone will fight with the enemy, and in peacetime - signalmen, paperwork, warehouses and more. Full-march throws, hefty men in submission? Personally, I am against.

        That we still lose sight of one important factor - the family.
        What will be the children and the husband?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 40 New
          -1
          And what about children and wives, mothers and fathers, etc. ordinary military personnel. AND?
          1. Che
            Che 25 August 2013 09: 30 New
            +6
            In the army of Israel, women serve, you have a hostile environment, and now generally a seam. And why should Russia put women in combat posts. The problems are higher than the roof, and the output is minuscule.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 10: 48 New
              +1
              Then, if you did not pay attention, everyone here believes that Russia has a hostile environment. And in many ways they are right. At the moment, there is a de facto war in at least three republics of the Russian Federation.

              And most importantly - why can a person serve the country should determine the gender, and not the ability of the candidate?
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco 25 August 2013 14: 02 New
              +9
              Quote: Che
              In the army of Israel, women serve, you have a hostile environment,

              My opinion is that EVERYTHING serves in the Israeli army because there is no one to serve, that is, to defend the Homeland. Why do I have such an opinion? The answer is simple, in the year 1996, a fellow student from the promised land, who campaigned for potential Jews, came to Israel for permanent residence, A phrase slipped through a glass of tea that someone needed to fight. Something like this. If he lied, then I lied.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 13 New
                -1
                Quote: Sirocco
                My opinion is that EVERYTHING serves in the Israeli army because there is no one to serve, that is, to defend the Homeland. Why do I have such an opinion? The answer is simple, in the year 1996, a fellow student from the promised land, who campaigned for potential Jews, came to Israel for permanent residence, A phrase slipped through a glass of tea that someone needed to fight. Something like this. If he lied, then I lied.

                You can say a lot about a glass. In Tsakhal, women served in non-military posts for a long time. Until they achieved their right to serve in military units through the courts. And they were right.
                1. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 25 August 2013 17: 04 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Pimply
                  . In Tsakhal, women served in non-military posts for a long time.

                  Eugene, and women served in the Soviet Army in non-military posts, and they serve in the Russian Army, there they belong. To God of God, and to Caesar Caesarean. Although there are exceptions, as is the case with Israel. You are surrounded by potential opponents, and in your case, everyone gets under arms. Well, the first thing is that someone must fight, as I wrote above. I would rather not believe you than my fellow student.
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 25 August 2013 18: 47 New
                    0
                    what right do you have to decide for us where to serve?
              2. Che
                Che 25 August 2013 16: 26 New
                +3
                Sirocco. There is a sense in your words, apparently in this lies the homespun truth. All Jews are under arms. Yes you are right.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 25 August 2013 17: 04 New
            +5
            For those who do not understand, the woman is the keeper of the hearth.
            In any case, in Russia.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 25 August 2013 18: 48 New
              0
              yeah, kids, bunk, kitchen ...
              Do you know that we also have desires and ambitions?
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 25 August 2013 19: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: DanaF1
                we also have desires and ambitions

                Is someone trying to rob you of these desires and ambitions, Wish them good health. Just tell me about this.
                We have a children's colony in the "hole". There the daughter of my neighbor serves as a guard. The mother sometimes boasts about how well her daughter is shooting. This is good and does not raise questions. BUT when escaping, this daughter is obliged to shoot at the fugitives. I hope there is no need to explain this. Let's say she got hit, killed. The requirements of the charter have been met. Prize received. You get used to murder, only the first will be remembered for a long time. The rest - like gutting a fish, butchering a rabbit.
                That's the question. Which of this woman will be the mother if she is ready to kill a stranger convicted of theft, albeit of a great age, but a child?
                I know that outside the MKAD there are problems with work.
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 13: 36 New
                  0
                  it's all pathetic ...
                  I’ll tell you a terrible secret ... we women, in general, do not like other people's children ... with very few exceptions ...
                  and maternal feelings and qualities will not affect the killing of someone else’s child ...
              2. Nuar
                Nuar 25 August 2013 19: 29 New
                +5
                Quote: DanaF1
                Do you know that we also have desires and ambitions?

                yeah, and you also have boobs!

                only here in the Airborne Forces a special selection in physical training and it’s hard to pass it to 18-20 year old boys, and for girls it’s certainly not easier.

                And the commander (even a woman) should enjoy authority and respect - but about such things in stressful situations, in a male team after alternating workloads - uh ... how to enter here a 22 25-year-old beauty ?!?
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 13: 37 New
                  0
                  I once went in for sports ...
                  and so, we handed over the amphibious assault standards for the generalized landing zone by the whole group and everything was successful ...

                  in the second part I agree ...
        2. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 25 August 2013 18: 45 New
          -4
          But what about the opinions of women?
          if we want to serve, then we must have such an opportunity ...
          and all outpourings concerning family, decree, etc. - ordinary chauvinism ... and also fear ... what if they replace ...
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 25 August 2013 18: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: DanaF1
            But what about the opinions of women?
            if we want to serve, then we must have such an opportunity ...
            and all outpourings concerning family, decree, etc. - ordinary chauvinism ... and also fear ... what if they replace ...


            Common phrases are an empty phrase. What specific positions are you ready to serve?
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 25 August 2013 21: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: DanaF1
            But what about the opinions of women?

            After all, it will take place regardless of the desire of men? Wish for health.
            Quote: DanaF1
            if we want to serve, then we must have such an opportunity ...

            So there are other service options. The question is not about banning the service of women in the armed forces.
            Quote: DanaF1
            and all outpourings concerning family, decree, etc. - ordinary chauvinism ... and also fear ... what if they replace ...

            This you will bend. Replace how much? 50% off? 100%?
            Tell me honestly, would you sleep better if you knew that your homeland is protected by an army of trained women with machine guns in their corpus callosum?
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 13: 39 New
              0
              I slept calmer if we had a professional, highly disciplined and motivated army ...
              regardless of gender ...
          3. Sirocco
            Sirocco 26 August 2013 10: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: DanaF1
            and also fear ... what if they replace ...

            As for me, I didn’t even think about the fact that you are cheating on your spouse, YOU SOUND THIS YOURSELF, YOU PROBABLY DO THIS AND WANT TO ENTER A MAN'S TEAM. as they say it hurts anyone, that’s what it says.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 14: 01 New
              0
              funny, but firstly I don’t want, I’m too old for this ...
              and secondly, the fact that you project your thoughts on me is very revealing bully
    3. evgenii67
      evgenii67 24 August 2013 07: 40 New
      22
      Hello everyone! It’s with us that the men in the country have transferred, especially since every man can get a special selection in the Airborne Forces, sorry for the expression BABA-DETAIL wassat apparently our reformers have seen enough of western films, where a woman is the commander of a special forces group consisting of protein ambials, and imagine on August 2, slightly drunken women singing in the fountains SINKING BLUE.
      P.S. Do not attack when the PMS commanders.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 24 August 2013 07: 48 New
        14
        Quote: evgenii67
        imagine August 2 in the fountains slightly tipsy women

        Do not! A drunk woman is more terrible than the enemy’s love! lol
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 24 August 2013 10: 38 New
          13
          Yes, and sober is also not a miss. Here from LJ a good person told. I do not like to write a lot, do long posts, nowhere to go.
          -----------------------------------------------------------------
          One of my comrades (a former soldier of the detachment who jumped off to the opera) got into history. Came home on vacation. Resting, enjoying idleness, life is good. And on the second day of vacation, he leaves the house and observes the picture: his neighbor is standing at the entrance to the zyuzu drunk and yelling good obscenities and not good ones either. And his wife comes to meet him - she is leading two children from the kindergarten and dragging bags. He turns out to yell at her. The essence of the conflict is not clear and what he is dissatisfied with there, then that only obscenities and hysteria. And then this neighbor runs up and in a big way spends his second half side to the head. She falls and he begins to kick her with his feet. My friend runs up and pulls him away. That is, it does not hit, but simply dragged it by the scruff of the neck. The neighbor immediately climbs into the bull: "What, you know, male genital organ are you, mentally retarded, meddling in your own business?" And, accordingly, he invites my friend to take a marching step into the female reproductive organ for alteration.

          My friend is a reasonable person. And ignoring the insults, he suggested that the neighbor calm down. That peaceful tone of the interlocutor simply infuriated. And he tried to hold the side and in his head. Well, acting purely mechanically, a friend blocked the blow and spent a short one in the jaw. As a result, the drunk fell and hit his head. Naturally passed out. I cut the skin on my head - a pool of blood. Mom in the blood, dad in the blood, the children roar in the voice. PPS outfit pulls up. The drunk by that time had already regained consciousness, had calmed down and was sitting quietly and peacefully, bleeding and waiting for an ambulance. A friend showed Xiva, introduced himself, explained the situation. The guy was taken away, the district policeman went to interview him, the conflict is settled.

          Now oil painting. My comrade is invited to court on a subpoena. They demand compensation from him for moral harm and pay for treatment (lawsuit for half a million). The wife of this asshole said that her injuries were the result of her face falling into the ground due to her own negligence. The husband tried to help her, but then a drunk neighbor ran up (this is my friend) and began to beat her missus, accusing him of smoking on the landing. In front of the children, he tried to kill their father, an exemplary family man. The result - that one has a broken jaw, concussion, certificates from the hospital on hand. My friend walks in a light prostration. On the one hand, he did not have the opportunity to do otherwise. He could not just turn away and pass by, like, it doesn’t concern me. On the other hand, there are no witnesses in his favor and there are no beatings on him. That is, in vain he did not let the peasant hit himself. It was necessary to get a little injured, and only then respond. In short, a dead end.
          1. alone
            alone 24 August 2013 23: 29 New
            +1
            laughing indeed they say there’s nothing to get into someone else’s family quarrel, they will figure it out themselves.
            and if you think about it, then she likes it so much that her husband scolds and hits, if she were against it, she would have divorced a long time ago

            P.S women cannot be beaten.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 25 August 2013 17: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              P.S women cannot be beaten.

              Oh, Omar-jan, if the Azerbaijani mentality were to be introduced in Russia. Although, in secret, I’ll say that my neighbor Akif often drove his Shafig around the apartment. And in the house opposite it happened too.
              You can’t, but if she wants, you can’t refuse! Is not it? laughing
            2. vadimN
              vadimN 26 August 2013 12: 53 New
              0
              Mdya ..., damn it ... It's time to think about what kind of thread to wear a chest DVR, like a car. At least some confirmation that you are not a camel ...
          2. zub46
            zub46 25 August 2013 22: 42 New
            +1
            Holy, true truth. So it was. In the framework of the current legislation and a decrease in the moral standards of the population, one hundred times you need to think, deciding to intervene in such a conflict in the absence of witnesses. Survived ...
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 24 August 2013 08: 53 New
        10
        For some reason, the "reformers" adopt the most absurd. Feminists in the army are the end of everything. negative
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 08 New
          -5
          Definitely. Women always ruin the army, not the indifference and corruption of commanders.
          1. Tykta
            Tykta 25 August 2013 08: 07 New
            +2
            agree here
          2. Che
            Che 25 August 2013 09: 37 New
            +7
            The commander is put in such a position, most of our commanders are not indifferent people. I have a friendly battalion commander, so in his unit all the fighters take an example from him. His mulka physical training. Such an army will not fall apart. But he saw and dol bo yo bov. Well, are they not in the tzahal?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 10: 52 New
              +3
              Full of. Tzahal is not a perfect army. I don’t know the perfect armies at all. All armies of the world have similar problems - gouging, theft, etc.

              Quote: Che
              The commander is put in such a position, most of our commanders are not indifferent people.

              The last time has gone. Prior to this, too often the commanders literally did not care about either the soldier or the service. And this also applied to the Soviet army. I have both grandfathers officers, and many friends have served, so I can imagine what I'm talking about. For example, hazing does not happen where officers do not care.
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 25 August 2013 19: 39 New
                +1
                Hazing is everywhere. Was and will be. The only question is what to mean by this word. Old-timers do not wash the floor, do not go to the "dining room" outfit, etc. I don't think it's scary. They help the recruit understand the service, suggest how to do it correctly, and help. But when young soldiers begin to "spread rot", to scoff, then, of course, the officer must intervene and stop it. But let's not confuse hazing and lawlessness.
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 24 August 2013 11: 15 New
          +5
          Quote: novobranets
          "reformers" adopt the most absurd. Feminists in the army are the end of everything.

          However, the Israeli army is not falling apart, and the women there, by order, are much more than they voluntarily serve in the Russian army!
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: evgenii67
        tipsy women sing SPLASHED BLUE.

        Do you really think that drunken men there cause emotion?
    4. fzr1000
      fzr1000 24 August 2013 13: 21 New
      +1
      What kind of chauvinism? Our women are everywhere. And, to be honest, sometimes you look at some "man", and he is only for primary sexual characteristics. But in fact he does not hold a word, not a blow. It's just that the amoeba is mediocre, although the show is immeasurable, because you understand the position, status. I've seen enough of these in my life.
      Let the aunts go to the Army, you look and the peasants will be someone to look up to. smile

      PS. In the photo of the girl, even very nothing.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 24 August 2013 15: 48 New
        +6
        Hmm ... Remember the classic "they are terribly far from the people"? You, apparently, are even further from the realities of the army than the Decembrists on the Senate, from the very people ...
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 24 August 2013 21: 23 New
          0
          Is there anything to be said? If not, then read the classics further, otherwise they give a very limited course at school.
          PS You are strange people, not to be glad for these women. Maybe they found themselves in this?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 42 New
          +4
          I served three years of urgent, not in the most peaceful place, and 9 years of reservist service, of which a year in a team position. He also served with women, and saw women commanders. How exactly am I far?
      2. Al shahini
        Al shahini 24 August 2013 21: 33 New
        +8
        What kind of chauvinism? Our women have a place everywhere. (from)
        =============================================
        I would like to show political correctness in the gender issue and agree with you, but alas!
        The experience of the service says the opposite. Starting from the physiological, psychological characteristics of our beautiful halves, who are not very friendly with the harsh life of military and especially field service. And completing the main mission of a woman who is also extremely contraindicated in the conditions of service and military life.
        Trust the old "wolf"
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 24 August 2013 21: 44 New
          +1
          But it is unlikely that these representatives of the fair sex accidentally ended up where they were? Surely consciously. They were admitted to school, graduated from it. And what are 14 female officers for the Airborne Forces? The world did not turn over because of this.
          1. Al shahini
            Al shahini 24 August 2013 21: 56 New
            +7
            And what are 14 female officers for the Airborne Forces? The world did not turn over because of this. (C)
            ================================================== ==========
            The world has not turned upside down. Considerable budget money has been spent and a commander’s headache has been created. After all, an officer is not a disposable element of a military organism for a year or two.

            As for the desires and aspirations of these beautiful Amazons. then they will quickly give way to others. more natural aspirations, as soon as they meet a knight in camouflage armor or foreign "gelding".
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 24 August 2013 22: 14 New
              +1
              Sorry if you are right.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 43 New
          +2
          The experience of the service says that if the army treats a woman scornfully, then the result will be appropriate. If it is taken seriously (if it has already joined the army), it will often be both a commander and a soldier more effective than another man.
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 25 August 2013 20: 13 New
      +1
      Why don't women have a place in the army? What are they weaker than men (now some men are worse than women), dumber, less hardy? I believe that now, when some of the peasant’s kind are mowing down from the army, becoming blue, weak in health, or simply buying certificates that they are not healthy, women can serve in posts in the liaison units, the rear services and finance services, and manage the laying of parachutes in the airborne forces and aviation, in air defense (sitting on instruments), and many more where. There is nothing shameful here. On the contrary, one should welcome and encourage in every possible way women who go to serve in the army.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 26 August 2013 08: 39 New
        0
        Quote: starshina78
        to welcome and in every way encourage women going to serve in the army.

        Fairly noticed. However, as stated in almost all posts, it is not a woman’s business to serve in the Airborne Forces, although they can do a lot. But in the air defense units, in connection and in other non-combat conditions, another thing. Although there they can get to the throat.

        I just can't imagine the pair lieutenant as part of the 6th company on March 1, 2000. I wonder how the new ones see it lieutenants?
  2. elenagromova
    elenagromova 24 August 2013 07: 02 New
    +4
    Why is this not a place? During many wars, Russian women showed their best
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 August 2013 07: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: elenagromova
      Why is this not a place? During many wars, Russian women showed their best

      And these men are afraid that the Russian grandmothers will plug them in their belt! laughing
      All the good days!
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 24 August 2013 07: 22 New
        +8
        It was possible to transfer the military burial of the times of war (divisional cemetery in the now dense forest). And the woman was there. With the remains of a bunch of flowers. I do not see anything funny. War is not a female affair.
        And comrades somehow found a horse. Long, they say, hair was. Fair-haired.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 09 New
          +2
          War is not a man’s business. She's a draw. Women always fought. And if they have the ability and desire - why should a ban be imposed on their service.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 24 August 2013 12: 21 New
            +5
            WAR IS A MEN'S BUSINESS.
            Women always fought.
            From the very inception of mankind, hunting, guarding one’s tribe and war with a stranger have been masculine. This is inherent in nature. And to go against her is an ungrateful affair; nothing good has ever come of it. No.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 24 August 2013 16: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: novobranets
              From the very inception of mankind, hunting, guarding one’s tribe and war with a stranger have been masculine.

              Well, some archaeologists disagree with you ...
              1. Sochi
                Sochi 24 August 2013 21: 16 New
                +2
                archaeologists ... but historians are the opposite. Amazons disappeared, and matriarchy did not survive.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 46 New
                  +3
                  Oh oh Women fought at all times. When less, when more. The main problem was that a man could carry heavy armor or musket more efficiently. Given modern realities, this difference in the need for just physical strength disappears. Endurance comes to the fore.
            2. svp67
              svp67 25 August 2013 16: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: novobranets
              Since the inception of mankind, hunting, guarding one’s tribe and war with a stranger have been male
              Wow, it turns out that the "Amazons" are men ....
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 24 August 2013 13: 28 New
            +7
            Quote: Pimply
            War is not a man’s business. She's a draw. Women always fought

            Women take up arms when, as they say, the enemy is at the gate. For a woman gives life and does not take it, although now the trend has gone that they no longer want to give birth, because career is more important, and please join the army. In Western films, often a woman behaves worse than the most frostbitten man, it’s even disgusting to watch ..
            The boundary between a man and a woman is erased and it’s scary ..
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 49 New
              -1
              One hundred years ago, women were forbidden to study at universities, and indeed - it was considered a sinful thing. The arguments were similar. It doesn't seem amusing to you

              Quote: DEfindER
              The boundary between a man and a woman is erased and it’s scary ..

              It is not erased. Practice in the same Western armies shows that they give birth well and give birth, and serve, and reach heights in service, while remaining quite women. Are you scared that a woman may be able to do something other than stand in the kitchen? Surprisingly, it is. Why there should be artificial barriers. Let the woman have a choice. And let him go on an equal footing, if health and desire allow. What is the problem? In general, I would make the service mandatory for everyone.
              1. Che
                Che 25 August 2013 09: 45 New
                +4
                Pimpled.
                The gender policy of the West is in full f..pe. I would not be guided by it. Keeping women in combat units is a crime. There are rear services and others - the very thing for our ladies. They must be protected, not ruined.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 August 2013 10: 55 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Che
                  Keeping women in combat units is a crime.


                  What kind of ass is she in? Can I be more specific? Practice shows that in the same states there is such an order - to keep women away from the front line. But the practice of wars makes its own adjustments to this. And the need for internal units outweighs orders.

                  Why do you need to decide for women?
                  1. Che
                    Che 25 August 2013 12: 44 New
                    +3
                    States are by and large not an example to follow, if something is better to take from the Jews. Russians at all times cherished and cherish their women. I do not mean gouging through life.
              2. smile
                smile 25 August 2013 17: 22 New
                +5
                Pimply
                Hello.
                I did not want to fit in, but I could not stand it. You are generally right. No one denies that women can, and if taught, they will be able to fight. And there are many examples of this, starting from Lyudmila Pavlyuchenko, who destroyed the Germans more than some companies, the girls from the legendary group Jack, who survived for half a year in regular skirmishes with wolves from the yagdkommand in the terrain of East Prussia impossible for any DRG, millions of other women who took weapons to hands to protect the Fatherland, or your girls from Caracal ...
                no, we are not afraid that they will be able to do something better than us .... we are afraid that they will have to be buried ....
                1. Che
                  Che 25 August 2013 22: 35 New
                  +3
                  Smile expressed the essence of the problem. +
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco 25 August 2013 14: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: DEfindER
              Women take up arms when, as they say, the enemy is at the gate. good For a woman gives life and does not take it, although now the trend has gone that they no longer want to give birth, because career is more important

              There are, of course, exceptions in life, but in this situation, to God of God, and Caesar's Caesar. As an example, a bee colony, I have not heard that the queen was with a sting, and took part in "battles".
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 16 New
                -2
                Quote: Sirocco
                As an example, a bee colony, I have not heard that the queen was with a sting, and took part in "battles".

                Drones also do not participate - and they are men. Fighting female bees.

                Lions have the main attacking force in the pride - lionesses.
                1. Che
                  Che 25 August 2013 16: 32 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Drones also do not participate - and they are men. Fighting female bees.


                  Worker bees fight, drones purely for fertilization, then they are killed. Ballast.


                  Quote: Pimply
                  Lions have the main attacking force in the pride - lionesses.


                  The head of the pride is the lion. I watched the film, he is a fighter.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Che
                    The head of the pride is the lion. I watched the film, he is a fighter.

                    And nobody argues with that. In most cases, only females lead a fight.
                    1. Sirocco
                      Sirocco 25 August 2013 17: 13 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Pimply
                      And nobody argues with that. In most cases, only females lead a fight.

                      There is an anecdote about Vovochka, to Batiushka's questions, what is harder, what is easier, and what is harder, he replied that it was a member, to which Batiushka said that it was possible to bring the entire Bible into "him". So in your case, with lionesses, and so on.
                    2. 77bob1973
                      77bob1973 25 August 2013 17: 59 New
                      +3
                      Lionesses prey on herbivores, but only another lion can go against another stray lion.
                      1. bask
                        bask 25 August 2013 18: 15 New
                        +5
                        Quote: 77bob1973
                        Tsy prey on herbivores, but only another lion can come out against another stray lion.

                        From the title ... doc ... film, about special forces.
                        Only WOLVODES can fight against wolves, and only men can be wolfhounds.
                        GRU special forces. Wolfhounds !!!
                2. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 25 August 2013 17: 09 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Pimply
                  . Fighting female bees.

                  Zhenya, the bees have only one female, this UTERUS, the rest are working bees, whose labor is also divided. That is, each bee is busy their responsibilities.
                3. Horde
                  Horde 25 August 2013 17: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Lions have the main attacking force in the pride - lionesses.

                  and even here you are wrong
                  Well, bees, of course, are a strong team, but insects are far removed from humans. Lionesses are only hunters, from which not a single member of the wild is obtained food, but protection of the territory, that is. it’s just the military duties that the lion bears. And it’s not life, but death with other lions that violate the territory of the pride, because the lion knows the alien will immediately kill the lion-children of the owner of the territory.
                4. alex-cn
                  alex-cn 26 August 2013 05: 21 New
                  +3
                  on the hunt - yes, but it’s precisely the lions who fight for the territory and with the hyenas, and first of all they win or perish in battle with the aggressors.
                  I do not argue, in the army there are many posts where a woman can objectively replace a man, and will be even better than him, by virtue of her psychology, etc. But in the field and with a gun, fire ....
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 24 August 2013 07: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        And these men are afraid that the Russian grandmothers will plug them in their belt! laughing
        All the good days!

        Why make a babarobot out of a woman in peacetime?



        MOSCOW, Aug 2 - RIA News. The enrollment of girls in the Ryazan airborne school, which graduated 13 female lieutenants in the summer, was suspended, a source in the Russian military department told RIA Novosti on Friday.

        "The recruitment of girls to the school was so far only an experiment," the agency's interlocutor explained, adding that it is not planned to recruit female cadets in the new academic year.

        According to the source, the leadership of the school has to solve a lot of issues related to the physical capabilities and combat training of girls. As the interlocutor of the agency noted, the results of the experiment cannot be called negative - the first "female" graduation showed good results, and some girls graduated from college with honors.


        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130802/953910832.html#ixzz2cqzGSYUC
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 24 August 2013 09: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          And these men are afraid that the Russian grandmothers will plug them in their belt!
          All the good days!
          laughing laughing laughing And to you a good zdorovichka. love
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 11 New
          +1
          Because now is not a peaceful time.

          Secondly - why do you think that you have the right to decide for them.

          Thirdly - would you call a baborobot someone from those who fought in Chechnya, Afghanistan or the Great Patriotic War?
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 24 August 2013 13: 40 New
            10
            Quote: Pimply
            Secondly - why do you think that you have the right to decide for them. Thirdly - would you call a baborobot someone from those who fought in Chechnya, Afghanistan or the Great Patriotic War?

            When the time comes, anyone can become a hero, and gender is not important here, but only "When the time comes" in peacetime, a woman should be a woman and that's all! Just like a man should be a man! Recently in Syria:
            In the province of Hasaka, near the city of Ras Al Ain, this girl, a member of the Kurdish self-defense unit Dimidan Ozo, died the death of the brave.
            Partisan of the Peshmerga detachment Dimidan Ozo was seriously injured in a battle with an Islamist group. Trying to approach her to provide assistance, two of her comrades are killed. After it became clear that the evacuation could not do without new victims, the girl flatly refused to accept help.
            Dimidan Ozo blew herself up and the enemies approaching her with a hand grenade ...
            1. Drosselmeyer
              Drosselmeyer 24 August 2013 19: 22 New
              -10
              She was just as sick a terrorist as her opponents.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 52 New
              0
              They perished in the struggle against the Islamists, and died in the struggle against government forces. Kurds want their state, and go to it.
              Should I cry over her death? I won’t. It is a worthy death. It would be better if they just stabbed her when she went from work? She made a choice - this choice must be respected.
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 25 August 2013 08: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                She made a choice - this choice must be respected.

                +
            3. Che
              Che 25 August 2013 09: 52 New
              +2
              Definder +++

              Here is a vivid example of how to live. The girl is just MAN. And such people perish in the games of puppeteers!
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 25 August 2013 10: 56 New
                -2
                People always die. In general, the final option for any living creature is death?
                1. Che
                  Che 25 August 2013 12: 49 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Pimply
                  People always die. In general, the final option for any living creature is death?


                  This is sophistry. The girl could create a family, give birth to children, simple human happiness. Because of the interests of bankers sitting across the ocean, there is nothing. It’s sad to lose parents; even sadder to lose children.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 18 New
                    -2
                    And could not create. Similarly, you can say about any dead fighter. He could create a family, have children with his wife, etc.

                    Quote: Che
                    Because of the interests of bankers sitting across the ocean, there is nothing.

                    Oh oh You would probably argue with the Sunnis, who went to the streets not the first time and not from a good life. Initially, the uprising was quite peaceful and secular.
                    1. Che
                      Che 25 August 2013 16: 37 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Oh oh You would probably argue with the Sunnis, who went to the streets not the first time and not from a good life. Initially, the uprising was quite peaceful and secular.


                      Ha ha Do not tell my gray hair. There is no need to hang noodles on the ears. Initially, everything was organized by puppeteers. And where they sit - Fashington, Telaviv, Zurich, London, Erriyad.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 51 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Che
                        Initially, everything was organized by puppeteers
                        Well, here she is - the first stage of paranoia. What I love is conspiracy theorists.
                        Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Hanlon's razor.
                      2. Che
                        Che 25 August 2013 17: 00 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Well, here she is - the first stage of paranoia. What I love is conspiracy theorists.
                        Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Hanlon's razor.


                        What surprises you here? No paranoia - a sober view of life. Puppeteers are already pulling the fleet to the Syrian coast. The people are not so stupid as not to see what is happening in the world.
    2. bask
      bask 24 August 2013 11: 56 New
      15
      Quote: Egoza

      And these men are afraid that the Russian grandmothers will plug them in their belt!
      All the good days!

      Hello everyone. And they will stop the galloping horse and enter the burning hut.
      But whoever saw mine explosive wounds, head injuries in women, is a terrible sight.
      With a man, this is natural (probably at the genetic level).
      In the tzahal in the war of 1973, when renowned women began to arrive in the Maso order, an order was issued to withdraw women from the front line.
      And now, this is only an advertisement that Jewish women participate in military operations (only a few).
      Women in the army (not something new, since the Crimean War).
      1. Nurses. 2. Telecommunications. 3. On the rear service (they will steal less).
      But not any equality, it’s all Western propaganda ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 54 New
        -2
        Quote: bask
        With a man, this is natural (probably at the genetic level).

        There is nothing natural here. The same bloody mess.

        Quote: bask
        And now, this is only an advertisement that Jewish women participate in military operations (only a few).

        There is a caracal battalion, there are artillery workers, there are combat pilots. Moreover, to serve in the combat units of the woman they knocked themselves out as a right. And they were absolutely right. Who is capable - why for those should decide gender or skin color
    3. Ribwort
      Ribwort 25 August 2013 08: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      And these men are afraid that the Russian grandmothers will plug them in their belt!

      Nobody tried to analyze: how many gold medals at the Olympiads, at least in the last 15-20 years, have been won for our country by representatives of the "weaker" sex and how many men? Here, that's it ...
      A woman should not fight - this contradicts her very nature and mission, but, if it happened ... To say that they are inferior to men in this matter ... forum.patriotcenter.ru/index.php?PHPSESSID= 5jlbap044cn3ssbv2q9smobhn5 & topic = 9259
      .0
    4. svp67
      svp67 25 August 2013 16: 51 New
      +1
      love
      Quote: Egoza
      And these men are afraid that the Russian grandmothers will plug them in their belt!
      Why not? Sometimes you just dream of being "there" ... repeat
  3. novobranets
    novobranets 24 August 2013 08: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: elenagromova
    During the wars
  4. TRex
    TRex 24 August 2013 10: 50 New
    10
    I have nothing against the service of women in the armed forces. Here is just one question: having put on stars on epaulettes and having received appointments for positions in combat units, are they ready to bear this cross on a par with men? These are outfits, exercises, events, sleepless nights in the barracks, business trips, ... risk, in the end.
    A simple example: garrison and internal detachments (guards, patrols, duty and others, etc.) are calculated from the staffing of the unit. Do not boys have to push for girls who are not capable (not admitted, not trained, critical days, etc.)? And in general I can’t imagine such a platoon commander in the barracks, where all kinds of views can be seen ... Can we discard this foreign "fashion"? Recently on TV I saw a woman, a colonel general ...
    Amateurs-profane still prevail. Either a furniture seller, now an honorary lifeguard ... Some "Katya" or "Natasha" is next in line ... Why not "Alina"?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 12 New
      0
      Quote: TRex
      I have nothing against the service of women in the armed forces. Here is just one question: having put on stars on epaulettes and having received appointments for positions in combat units, are they ready to bear this cross on a par with men? These are outfits, exercises, events, sleepless nights in the barracks, business trips, ... risk, in the end.

      This should be the main thing. Equal attitude. Equality of rights - equality of duty. In some positions, women are better than men; in some, men are better. The most important thing is that the assessment goes according to ability.
      1. Horde
        Horde 24 August 2013 11: 39 New
        17
        Quote: Pimply
        This should be the main thing. Equal attitude. Equality of rights - equality of duty. In some positions, women are better than men; in some, men are better. The most important thing is that the assessment goes according to ability.



        that's just for YOU this is the MOST IMPORTANT.
        There is no and never has been, and there will be NO EQUALITY. There is no equality among peoples, as history shows. Some people build and create, others do not build anything and little that they create, but they want to have a lot on par with all the ideas of UNIVERSAL EQUALITY.
        There is no equality between a man and a woman, due to the ANATOMY OF ORGANISM, PSYCHOLOGY and the underlying social functions arising from this. A woman is happy in her place, and a man in her own. To change this order is to be an enemy of truth.
        1. bask
          bask 24 August 2013 12: 03 New
          13
          Quote: Horde
          A woman is happy in her place, and a man in her own. To change this order is to be an enemy of truth.

          Greetings to Paul.
          Not even an enemy of the true. But an enemy of NATURE !!!
          A woman is first of all MOTHER, WIFE, she creates coziness in the family and order.
          In critical situations, like the Second World War, it can be aviators and snipers and tankmen and mortars. But this is when a war threatens the existence of the nation itself. It is a war for complete extermination.
          1. Horde
            Horde 24 August 2013 12: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: bask
            Not even an enemy of the true. But an enemy of NATURE !!!
            A woman is first of all MOTHER, WIFE, she creates coziness in the family and order.
            In critical situations, like the Second World War, it can be aviators and snipers and tankmen and mortars. But this is when a war threatens the existence of the nation itself. It is a war for complete extermination.


            Andrey, good day!
            all this, our friends in difficult times can, if necessary, become fighting friends, but this is an exception, not a rule. In a peaceful life, women are friends, wives, mothers. If a young girl is crippled in a war or in some conflict, her fate will be much sadder than the guy is unacceptable.
            1. bask
              bask 24 August 2013 12: 26 New
              +8
              Quote: Horde
              all this, our friends in difficult times can, if necessary, become fighting friends, but this is an exception, not a rule. In a peaceful life, women are friends, wives, mothers. If a young girl is crippled in a war or in some conflict, her fate will be much sadder than the guy is unacceptable.

              I agree to all 100% good
              Yeah, look at the crippled girl, a terrible sight.
              And most importantly, psychologically, a woman is not ready for this. Even a slight facial injury, just breaks her !!! Not to mention serious injuries.
              The war does not have a female face (I don’t remember who said it), but it’s better not to formulate it ...
              1. Horde
                Horde 24 August 2013 12: 58 New
                +5
                Quote: bask
                The war does not have a female face (I don’t remember who said it), but it’s better not to formulate it ...


                I think all these "movements for liberation, emancipation" of women were like
                suffragettes, then the term emancipation came in, then feminists, then lesbians, geder equality, now they came up with such crap as juvenile justice is when "equal rights for children and parents" ??? All this is dragged through at the state level and raised to the rank of laws. In principle, I understand that the great traitor needs to somehow reduce the population of the planet, and all this EQUALITY greatly reduces the growth, population growth, because a world war is no longer possible. I do not care about the rest of the world, if only the Russian people would not lose the quantity and, most importantly, in the QUALITY OF ITS NATURE.
                1. bask
                  bask 24 August 2013 13: 53 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Horde
                  May all these "movements for liberation, emancipation" of women were
                  suffragettes, then the term emancipation came in, then feminists, then lesbians, gender equality, now they have come up with such crap as juvenile justice is when "equal rights for children and parents"?

                  All these are links of one chain.
                  And the legs of all this grow from Zionist centers.
                  In tolerant Sweden, it is forbidden to divide kindergartens into boys and girls.
                  And what turns out-gays.
                  What is the final plan, of all these figures - the transformation of man into a brainless, asexual biorobot !!!
                  --- ,, welcome to the new peace order ,,
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 58 New
                    -5
                    Quote: bask
                    And the legs of all this grow from Zionist centers.
                    In tolerant Sweden, it is forbidden to divide kindergartens into boys and girls.
                    And what turns out-gays.

                    Bravo. Ignition. Well done.
                  2. Che
                    Che 25 August 2013 09: 57 New
                    +3
                    Basque Respect. +++

                    Fantastic stories come true right away, it seems Bradbury wrote about this.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 57 New
            -1
            Quote: bask
            A woman is first of all MOTHER, WIFE, she creates coziness in the family and order.

            A woman is first of all a MAN and a PERSON, not a housekeeper and a cook. If she chose such a life - she is full of honor and respect, there is no greater honor. But why did you decide that you should choose? Or Paul?
            1. Horde
              Horde 25 August 2013 10: 54 New
              +4
              Quote: Pimply
              A woman is first of all a MAN and a PERSON, not a housekeeper and a cook. If she chose such a life - she is full of honor and respect, there is no greater honor. But why did you decide that you should choose? Or Paul?


              you and I will have worldview contradictions on this issue. The question of building a society when all members of this society are provided with EQUAL RIGHTS, as well as FREEDOM OF PERSONALITY in practice means only one thing, a free personality will behave as if there are NO other members of society around , as if there were NO RESPONSIBILITIES to society. A free person will be emphasized to independently make decisions and build a series of his actions only on the basis of his own requests without regard to the needs of other members of society .. A society built of individual disparate individuals neglecting public duties is a society that will not to notice the needs and aspirations of their society, and if closer to the realities, the needs and aspirations of their people. As a result, differences in cultures, languages ​​and the very appearance of the people will be erased. Freedom of the person is the decline of the person, and after it degradation of society .
              Actually, what we see in the West and what is called INDIVIDUALISM. This is not our way.
              1. bask
                bask 25 August 2013 11: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Horde
                EQUAL RIGHTS, AND FREEDOM OF PERSONALITY

                Good morning hi
                Pavel, you are a historian. In Jewish tradition, a woman, the head of a clan.
                From an Israeli resource: "" Note that this is not the first evidence of this kind. Earlier, Maariv reported that members of the Tammam family claim that Razela Tammam married a Muslim at the age of 18, and that one of their children was Muammar Gaddafi. "" [Media = http: //www.sem40.ru/ index.php? newsid = 215547]
                Only a halachic Jew, and has the right to repatriation. That is, the gender of the Jews is transmitted through the female line. (Dad can be at least a gypsy, at least a Papuan, or can smell like me).
                Quote: Pimply
                .
                honor. But why did you decide that you should choose? Or Paul?

                Quote: Pimply
                Bravo. Ignition. Well done.

                Eugene, not that personal just a statement of facts.
                1. Horde
                  Horde 25 August 2013 12: 01 New
                  +4
                  Quote: bask
                  Pavel, you are a historian. In Jewish tradition, a woman, the head of a clan.


                  Good morning Andrey!

                  do you think I don’t understand where all these innovations came from in our life, into the life of mankind? After all, they are in the government and not only in our business, on television, in general, all media, they control so much nasty things from the media, even external forms any site even our everywhere these faces, ugliness bulge, dirt. Why do it? Television is just trash, breaking news, killings, violence, disaster, various
                  There were no such human troubles during the times of the USSR.
                  All these TOLERANCE-tolerance for other people's eccentricities-tricks, when you can behave as you like, say anything, be irresponsible and licentious. In Russian society, let’s say it’s unacceptable to be a pid_ras — it is disgusting and this is an absolute evil, our society allows the possibility of violence against such members of the society from public censure to direct harassment of geeks. The church has always set the standard of behavior, but now its role is sharply reduced, and now people who are not limited by anything began to behave no better (kinder, more responsive, show more understanding, respect), and worse (stick out their shortcomings, ugliness) and I must say that it’s not the people who are to blame, but the church patriarchs. Now, here's the women come from.
                  I think that humanity, led by the Jews, is about to die.
                  1. bask
                    bask 25 August 2013 14: 48 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Horde
                    the use of violence against such members of society from public censure to the direct harassment of geeks. The church has always set the standard of behavior, but now its role is sharply reduced, and now people

                    Pavel, I agree with you one hundred percent.
                    Even a painful topic for me (religion). And here I agree with you, the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church on the minds and hearts of Russian citizens, recently at the level of 0000.
                    And this is very bad for the moral SPIRIT of the Russian nation and other nations brought up in Russian culture.
                  2. Flooding
                    Flooding 25 August 2013 22: 52 New
                    +1
                    Well, did you have to spoil everything in the end?
                    It seems that the topic did not touch on the church.
                    But still she got a bit.
                    And in my opinion it's unfair.
                    It reassures only that the main message was not in this.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 23 New
                -2
                Quote: Horde
                EQUAL RIGHTS are granted to all members of this society, as well as FREEDOM OF PERSONALITY in practice means only one thing, a free person will behave as if there are NO other members of society around him, as if there are NO RESPONSIBILITIES

                This is always the main mistake - to confuse democracy with anarchy, and freedom of speech - with the chaos of uncontrolledness. Democracy does not imply a lack of freedom; equality does not imply a lack of regulatory laws. The freedom of the person does not mean that the person leads as he wants. Equality is equality of rights. For example, getting equal pay regardless of faith, nationality, gender, orientation or color. The same thing - and about military service. You are confusing the fundamental concepts.

                Dictatorship is not synonymous with order. Democracy is not synonymous with anarchy.
                1. Horde
                  Horde 25 August 2013 18: 54 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Pimply
                  This is always the main mistake - to confuse democracy with anarchy, and freedom of speech - with the chaos of uncontrolledness. Democracy does not imply a lack of freedom; equality does not imply a lack of regulatory laws.


                  right first
                  Democracy (Greek) - the power of the people is a phenomenon that was noted in ancient Greece, the main sign of democracy is free elections of equal members. Now there are great doubts about the existence of the so-called "ancient, ancient world" and, therefore, Ancient Greece. events that supposedly took place in the so-called "antiquity" medieval monks who calculated these events made mistakes for about 1800 years.
                  There was no "Ancient Greece", but there would be no theoretical basis for such a phenomenon as DEMOCRACY does not exist, in the first place.
                  Secondly, they scared us with this very DEMOCRACY, for many decades we will say before the collapse of the USSR and then we all became well acquainted with this phenomenon of our life. All liberal and democratic freedoms did not lead to the promised "people's happiness", but they led to the collapse of the UNION, the collapse of industry and a strong decline in the standard of living of our people. And most importantly, the so-called DEMOCRACY brought non-Russians to the power of the Russian state and consolidated this situation. The most important thing in democracy is "democratic elections" when all types are EQUAL and can choose absolutely anyone. These tales for During the times of democracy, we sank ourselves up to our throats, that's enough already. There are no fools who would believe in "fair" elections and in the fact that a democratically separate EQUAL PERSONALITY, how can you say something, decide something. Your democracy turned out to be the power of an absolute minority over the majority, but most importantly, this power is HIDDEN, i.e. they say one thing, but in fact something completely different happens. So your state of EQUAL AND FREE PERSONS called DEMOCRACY FICTION in every word.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 56 New
          +1
          100 years ago, a female doctor was nonsenos. Women were forbidden to study at universities.
          Now the Taliban are blowing up women's schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan so that girls do not go to school.

          This is all from one row. Are you among the obscurantists?
          1. Che
            Che 25 August 2013 10: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            Now the Taliban are blowing up women's schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan so that girls do not go to school.


            And for some reason you support and provide such assistance.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 10: 58 New
              -5
              Quote: Che
              And for some reason you support and provide such assistance.

              Who exactly? I AM?

              Or are you still convinced that Israel is supporting the Taliban, who has been fighting Islamic terrorists all their life before the USSR heard about them? You yourself are not funny?
              1. Che
                Che 25 August 2013 12: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Pimply
                Who exactly? I AM?


                Well, why bother. Syria is an example of Israeli madness.
                1. bask
                  bask 25 August 2013 14: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Che
                  Well, why bother. Syria is an example of Israeli madness.

                  Helping and arming the hobbits in Syria, Israel is digging primarily a hole for itself !!!!
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 27 New
                    -1
                    Now, conclude - is there any reason for Israel to support the terrorists with whom it is constantly fighting? Your logic is brilliant.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 26 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Che
                  Well, why bother. Syria is an example of Israeli madness.

                  Brilliant theory. Have you excluded Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Europe and so on from the picture of the world? And they didn’t try to turn on logic at least sometime to think about why Israel should sponsor Sunni Islamists, whom it constantly fights and who will not accept help from it, because the worst accusation in the East is cooperation with Israel. You simply cannot stand Israel - this is it, the only argument in your theory. Everything is simple.
                  1. Che
                    Che 25 August 2013 16: 55 New
                    +3
                    Pimply to me, Israel is somehow violet, i.e. pokh. I am Russian, I probably need to cooperate with Israel, but the truth is most expensive. A mess in the BV, a long-standing dream of amers and Jews.
  5. Al shahini
    Al shahini 24 August 2013 22: 02 New
    +2
    During many wars, Russian women showed their best side (s)
    ================================================== =
    The flip side of this forced valor of women is always the shame of men.
    For it is the business of men to contain the hearth and the provision of food and to protect the hearth; otherwise, the human race will disappear.
  6. Hudo
    Hudo 25 August 2013 10: 25 New
    +8
    Quote: elenagromova
    Why is this not a place? During many wars, Russian women showed their best


    Elena! Your pathos has nothing to do with the reality of the service. EXAMPLE. Accepting the company, he received the inheritance of four ladies, with hook or by crook standing in positions, one dignitary instructor, and three - orderlies-arrows. The result is obvious - in the unit these characters are not visible, at firing and so on. events had to put on a sanitary bag on a more or less sensible fighter something like trained. One word - ballast! And this ballast was removed difficult.

    ZY Write better about Syria, about the heroism of the Syrian army about its long-suffering people - you do it very well. Thank you for your publication. But this comment is not a banter.
    Sincerely.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 25 August 2013 11: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Hudo
      Elena! Your pathos has nothing to do with the reality of the service. EXAMPLE. Accepting the company, he received the inheritance of four ladies, with hook or by crook standing in positions, one dignitary instructor, and three - orderlies-arrows. The result is obvious - in the unit these characters are not visible, at firing and so on. events had to put on a sanitary bag on a more or less sensible fighter something like trained. One word - ballast! And this ballast was removed difficult.

      You treated them like ballast. The attitude produces the result. You are not ready to drive the ladies along with the rest - it is so natural that you will have a zero result.

      Where a woman (not forgetting that she is a woman) is treated primarily as a fighter, there are much less problems similar to yours.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 25 August 2013 11: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Pimply
        You are not ready to drive the ladies along with the rest - it is so natural that you will have a zero result.


        Far from it! First of all, I put this ballast into operation, having previously amputated their disgusting fashion to wear, instead of uniform shoes, some unthinkable parrot-colored slippers (they say the little legs are sweating, and the doctors are not in the house because of that) I had to impose a disciplinary penalty. He taught them how to clean their weapons, even in a tent, two of the four lived in the field (this is taking into account the firebrand with the installation of a separate tent and the arrangement of a separate toilet and washbasin for them. ? "brought them back from heaven to a sinful earth, tea is not winter.). ... After three months, in the course of the selection, only one of the four remained.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          Of the four, only one remained.

          Very well. And very correct. It should be so. Service is not a circus. The service should go this way. As long as women in the army are treated like in a circus, they will behave in accordance with these expectations. And they are capable of more.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 25 August 2013 17: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            It should be so. Service is not a circus.


            Somehow I came across the information about women soldiers in the British Army, by the position of tank mechanics. So, the temporary indicators of the standards for installing a battery, loading ammunition, etc. if there are women in the crew, they’ll increase by two, or one and a half times.
            This is to say that if, for example, I am the commander of a tank platoon, and they try to impose such a grief-mechanic on me, I will rest as much as possible at stake human lives. Exalted females have no place in the army (I don’t mean women), they all do not learn how to urinate while standing, and nothing between their legs grows despite all their efforts to become cooler than boiled eggs.
  7. Flooding
    Flooding 25 August 2013 21: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: elenagromova
    Why is this not a place? During many wars, Russian women showed their best

    Hello, Elena.
    Maybe it was because they always remained women?
    And if history itself shows where and how a woman can manifest herself in a war, then why sculpt a combat officer out of it?
  • Jacob31
    Jacob31 24 August 2013 07: 12 New
    +3
    Yes, in our time, some women will be even better than men !! They are not even afraid of the hardships of army service, like today's youth !!
  • Hleb
    Hleb 24 August 2013 07: 28 New
    0
    women! we will be waiting for you from the army
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 24 August 2013 09: 24 New
      +5
      A man with painted cilia and a woman in the army, this, excuse me, is an abnormal deviation. This is not my opinion, this is the opinion of psychologists, but I join them.
      Quote: Gleb
      women! we will be waiting for you from the army

      Not a woman, but something with a female physiology and a deformed psyche will return from the army, and even from a theater of theater. Therefore, in vain you are so frivolous about this, from the point of view of medicine (I myself work in a hospital), this is a very, very serious question. I respect women, and I want to save them. Do not blame me, I put a minus. respectfully hi
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 24 August 2013 09: 34 New
        +5
        you don’t need to consider others more stupid than yourself. you need to relate to the words. It’s the irony that the girls were expecting before, but today with humor we can say the opposite
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 24 August 2013 09: 36 New
          +1
          Sorry, I did not catch the irony. But still, the question remains relevant. By the way, if I thought you were dumber than yourself, I would not waste time answering. To you +
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 24 August 2013 09: 44 New
            +8
            I myself can’t imagine a woman of a platoon leader. Yes, in general, in similar positions and in similar units. And it’s interesting that they are planning about the children. Most likely they will go from maternity to maternity
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 24 August 2013 10: 38 New
              +7
              With children it is not at all clear how, with the officers of the platoon and company command, neither day nor night. Until she reaches, say, major, the age of "favorable childbearing" has passed. After a certain age (individually, and for people associated with physical and psycho-emotional stress, it is lower), pregnancy is associated with a certain risk of having a defective child, i.e. premature or with congenital abnormalities. It sounds harsh, but these are the statistics. sad
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 24 August 2013 12: 08 New
              -3
              He served under the leadership of a female platoon at the initial stage of service, then served next to women as commanders. Men are not inferior to peasants. As for the decree - I recommend to take an interest in the IDF. He knew women who gave birth to three or four, and perfectly combined this with the service. Somewhere from a major position, the main legwork ends. In addition, in truly infantry fighting units there are usually relatively few women.
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 24 August 2013 12: 17 New
                0
                )) your chtoli cons?
              2. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 24 August 2013 18: 40 New
                +5
                Quote: Pimply
                Somewhere from a major position, the main legwork ends.


                For your information, there are women generals in our army. The truth is not in combat units.
                Future female officers will be commanders of airborne platoons and other units. They learned to control military vehicles and personnel, made parachute jumps, and also learned to survive in inhumanly difficult conditions, to perform complex combat missions. At the same time, not all the girls were able to reach the final exams - out of two dozen cadets, only 14 people could get to graduation.

                They received the specialty of a platoon paratrooper platoon commander. For this reason, the conduct of hostilities will not be their profile. Representatives of the beautiful half of humanity have successfully mastered the specialty "Application of airborne support units." Graduates of the Ryazan airborne school will command parachute stowage units, as well as assist in the deployment of paratroopers and equipment, including with the use of special complex multi-dome systems, as well as landing platforms.

                MORE THAN FEEL THE DIFFERENCE!
                1. I. Brovkin
                  I. Brovkin 24 August 2013 19: 36 New
                  0
                  They received the specialty of a platoon paratrooper platoon commander. For this reason, the conduct of hostilities will not be their profile. Representatives of the beautiful half of humanity have successfully mastered the specialty "Application of airborne support units." Graduates of the Ryazan airborne school will command parachute stowage units, as well as assist in the deployment of paratroopers and equipment, including with the use of special complex multi-dome systems, as well as landing platforms.

                  It is written quite reliably. If you do not mind, indicate the source.
                  1. AleksUkr
                    AleksUkr 25 August 2013 06: 51 New
                    +1
                    This was written on VO 13.06.2013/5/XNUMX. In addition, refer to the website of the RVDKU. This was announced at the admission to the school XNUMX years ago.

                    Since this year (2008), for the first time, the Ryazan Airborne School (RVVDKU) will begin accepting female cadets for training in the military specialty associated with the airborne assault service, said Airborne Chief of Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Forces, Lieutenant General Nikolai Ignatov.
                    There were only two sets - in 2008 and 2009. After that, four years already, the recruitment was completed and there were no sets of girls in the regional police department. The 2008 kit was released this summer with 13 people. With great difficulty, the girls found positions in the MO - 11 in the Airborne Forces, 2 in the Navy. The next issue of 2014 will be the last issue of a female platoon from the RVVDKU ...

                    The problem of women in the Airborne Forces is due to the fact that for them, now, there are no posts (the platoon commander of the software is abolished by Serdyukov). Another serious problem is the legislative ban on the participation of women with minor children (and most of them after graduation) in the database. However, units of the Airborne Forces are among the most combat-ready in the Russian army and often the first to take part in armed conflicts. The current contradiction was decided by the Moscow Region in the simplest way: no women - no problems.

                    However, officially, not a single senior MoD officer, including the OOI officers, will comment on the ban based on real facts, since they least of all want to answer allegations of, although justified, but actually discrimination on the basis of gender
                2. Aventurinka
                  Aventurinka 24 August 2013 20: 17 New
                  +3
                  Aw, thank you, good man.
                  Clarified the situation. It’s quite normal for you to command stacker units.
                  And then in all the news just "platoon commanders."
                  hi
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 August 2013 00: 59 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Aventurinka
                    Clarified the situation. It’s quite normal for you to command stacker units.
                    And then in all the news just "platoon commanders."

                    That is, you are afraid that they will be better than men? 8) And relieved from the heart?
                    1. Che
                      Che 25 August 2013 10: 19 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Quote: Aventurinka
                      Clarified the situation. It’s quite normal for you to command stacker units.
                      And then in all the news just "platoon commanders."

                      That is, you are afraid that they will be better than men? 8) And relieved from the heart?


                      Well, why so, you pervertly understand everything. A man just takes care of girls. Without any back thoughts.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 August 2013 15: 57 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Che
                        Well, why so, you pervertly understand everything. A man just takes care of girls. Without any back thoughts.

                        Take care of small children. But the actual ban on real service is similar to the ban on the education of women - but it was like that. Moreover, the arguments were painfully similar.
                3. max702
                  max702 25 August 2013 17: 21 New
                  +2
                  The picture is certainly good good , but I will study a little, the logs look the same but the density of the wood can be several times different and weigh such a log from 50 to 600 kg with the same dimensions, and yet I think that there is no place for a woman in the shock troops, a connection. medicine, air defense, staff work yes !, landing, infantry, etc., no ...
              3. novobranets
                novobranets 25 August 2013 09: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                In addition, in truly infantry fighting units there are usually relatively few women.

                Probably, you wanted to say "... really COMBAT infantry units", as there are almost none of them there.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 August 2013 15: 57 New
                  0
                  A typo happens.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 24 August 2013 11: 14 New
        -2
        Quote: novobranets
        I work in the hospital) this is a very, very serious question. I respect women, and I want to save them. Do not blame me, I put a minus. respectfully

        Tell me, why do you think you should decide for them? Are they small children?
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 24 August 2013 12: 01 New
          +5
          Where did you see that I decide for someone? I can only express my attitude and give advice. Listen to him or not, this is the business of every person. As with the decision. I warn, but I do not force, and I am not going to. Do you see the difference? Judging by the minus, not only I do not agree with you.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 01: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: novobranets
            Judging by the minus, not only I do not agree with you.

            AND? About 100 years ago, women did not have voting rights, 150 years ago they could not own property and study at universities.
        2. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 24 August 2013 23: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Tell me, why do you think you should decide for them? Are they small children?


          Not from a good life women go to the army. It's no secret that women have an average salary in the country less and getting a job is much more difficult. Any state of emergency in general is very reluctant to hire women. Just got settled, and immediately on maternity leave. In general, it is very difficult for an unmarried woman to plan her life in the medium term. What if the betrothed will meet on the way? And how will he react to such an emancipation? A normal man would slam his fist on the table.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 01: 02 New
            0
            Many men go from a good life to the army? Also not all.

            The army is very often a springboard for later life. And it’s not a matter of putting artificial barriers on it just because it has breasts.
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 25 August 2013 13: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Tell me, why do you think you should decide for them? Are they small children?

          And why in almost all countries is it prohibited by law to drive a car while drunk? This is terrible discrimination, alcohol is not banned for sale and use. And also, kind of like, drivers are not small children. By your logic, in a democratic country, such legislative prohibitions should not be. In addition, not all drunk driving leads to an accident. In Ukraine, a month and a half everyone rode like that when Yushchenko GAI dispersed lol
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 35 New
            -2
            Quote: Misantrop
            . By your logic, in a democratic country, such legislative prohibitions should not be


            You confuse equality with anarchy. According to your logic, men should be forbidden to drive, in principle - because they commit more accidents than women, and statistically - much less accurate drivers.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 26 August 2013 15: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              According to your logic, men should be prohibited from driving
              This is just according to YOUR logic. Rights do not exist without duties, otherwise this society carries within itself a grain of self-destruction. AND everyone’s freedom ends where his neighbor’s freedom begins... Oh, SHE "has the right to serve where she wanted", she "has the right" ... But what about those around whom this HER right creates simply an unreal mountain of hemorrhoids and additional problems? Why are THEIR rights, no less significant, if it is indeed a country of EQUAL opportunities for ALL (and not only for freaks with a dislocation of the psychotype) when NOBODY takes this right into account? Or in this case, the right of ALL others to serve without EXTRA problems is not interesting to anyone?
              Yes, Israel has ALREADY created a service system, where most of these problems have already been resolved. And this is understandable, given the number of Israelis and the "love" for them on the part of all the neighbors of this PEACE-LOVING state. I would not be surprised if in a few years there will be children's and pensioner units there. With such and such development trends. And someone will also jump out of his pants, proving the logic and the need for such a solution to the issue. And the stupidity of everyone else who disagrees ...
              In Russia, this is not yet. To create, while breaking through the knee, the entire existing structure of the RF Armed Forces only because someone WANTED ... Are the costs too large compared to the ephemeral result? And if tomorrow LOVE?

              As for the legislatively executed prohibitions or permits, I personally think that there should be much less of them than it is now practiced. And each individual is responsible for the PERFECT (and not in advance). I sat behind the wheel drunk - your business and your choice. BUT if as a result of an accident (and even with the victims) - answer. FULLY (without discounts on pregnancy, breastfeeding of an elderly grandfather, an influential relative in government, etc.). But only then, and not in advance. Otherwise, in the desire of hamsters to isolate themselves from ALL dangers, society comes to outright senility
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 24 August 2013 07: 40 New
    +4
    Quote: serge-68-68
    On the one hand, of course, the global trend ... But on the other, there is no place for a woman in the army. Especially in ours.

    About global trends:
    The union broke up, the borders opened and Rabinovich was about to leave for Israel. He is called to the FSB and held a conversation:
    - Why are you a rich and prosperous person, you decided to suddenly quit and leave Russia?
    - Because I don’t like the attitude of the authorities towards the pederasts ...
    - Excuse me, Rabinovich, it used to be so. And they planted and persecuted. And now the government has officially allowed any distortions, and they are not persecuting anyone ...
    “That's what bothers me ... They used to plant buggers, now they’ve allowed us, and tomorrow they’ll do the obligation! No, I’d better go to Israel away from sin ...
    However, the global trend ...
    The US Army has already allowed ...
    1. Che
      Che 25 August 2013 10: 24 New
      +1
      Imperial +++. You’ll start a joke.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 25 August 2013 15: 59 New
      -2
      They were allowed not only in the US Army. You think if the army has a ban on gays, they are not there. I personally prefer to know who is gay and who is not.
      Something is doubtful to me that orientation impairs the fighting qualities of a fighter.
      1. Che
        Che 25 August 2013 17: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        They were allowed not only in the US Army. You think if the army has a ban on gays, they are not there. I personally prefer to know who is gay and who is not.
        Something is doubtful to me that orientation impairs the fighting qualities of a fighter.


        I would not like to be covered during the battle by P&D R.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 26 August 2013 14: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Che
          I would not like to be covered during the battle by P&D R.


          wassat Yes, then you can suffer from your own.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 24 August 2013 07: 48 New
    +4
    A dubious undertaking of the former leadership of the Moscow Region with its copying of American experience. It's good that they stopped the set.
  • Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 24 August 2013 07: 54 New
    +3
    Well, what do not like something? What hysteria?
    Men, middle-aged, in the mass knocked out is a fact. I had in direct submission two senior midshipmen - young ladies (personal decisions of the Com.TOF until the end of the contracts). No comments on service and work, very responsible. With crews, with hard workers, all the brains could endure. And they took off their skirts and these crazy bows on their necks, changed clothes in the Republic of Belarus and went on orders, and then they could build and align some order builder in fact, without my participation.
    I am not a supporter of women in combat units, especially in the Airborne Forces, as platoon commanders, but, IMHO, "... what has grown has already grown" (c.). Let's take a look.
    For information, I recommend:
    the book "War does not have a woman's face"
    book "Woman's face of war"
    feature film "Night witches in the sky"
    x / f "Soldier Jane"
    The opinion of one lovely girl, an assistant to the US military attaché, lieutenant colonel, pilot of the first class, flight time of more than 3500 hours. (It was in ZVO, No. and year I will not say - until all the filings are in boxes and transfers) - a very tough opinion about the woman and military service.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 24 August 2013 08: 05 New
    0
    Well, that youth of military age, up to the end. Now women will bang you !!! Well done, all the same, our LADIES !!! How I respect them.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 24 August 2013 08: 26 New
    +5
    My God, it’s good that I didn’t have to do it at the time of my term ... It would be a shame ... They also distributed to our 7th Children's School of Sports ... Ugh, no words, some drooling, and those swearing.
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 24 August 2013 08: 58 New
      -1
      what kind of dhd can vdd ??
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 24 August 2013 09: 15 New
        +2
        Not the Airborne Division, but the Airborne Assault Division - "airborne assault division (mountain)".
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 24 August 2013 14: 48 New
      +3
      So parachute stackers in PDS, psychologists and chemists. To rags and for a while.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 24 August 2013 08: 34 New
    +6
    It doesn’t matter that women fought during World War II, and Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya can, for example, be remembered and say that our women can all the same, no matter what women have in the army! The army is war, the war is scary ! What war is there! One battle is terrible! And women have no place in battle. Here, if the men are not enough, and the very fate of the Motherland will be at stake, when there is no other choice, then the last desperate attempt to save the situation is only necessary call them.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 24 August 2013 08: 57 New
    +3
    That’s what war is — and do you think that women should participate in it (either as victims or as executioners)? I myself know that this should not be! But in a war (natural, real and such, there are people who eat ...)
    http://www.blive.kg/video:185444/
    http://my.mail.ru/video/bk/faniskayupov/833/834.html#video=/bk/faniskayupov/833/
    834
  • Mairos
    Mairos 24 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    War is not a female affair
  • Mairos
    Mairos 24 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +6
    War is not a female affair
  • Hey
    Hey 24 August 2013 09: 36 New
    +1
    What are you worried about for a year, and there on maternity leave and the service is over.
    1. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang 24 August 2013 09: 57 New
      +3
      That also happens.
      And you are offering to take a subscription from the young lady - they say I undertake not to sleep with anyone and, as a result, not to become pregnant?
      It doesn’t work out that way.
      Take a trip to Vileyka and Vilyuchinsk-1. What to do with happy moms with prams?
      Many of them (I mean by my mother) have the status of "military personnel"
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    Maybe women will be better than men in the army for some reason, but in my opinion it’s a wife, mother, and not otherwise.
    There are purely female military professions, and I think it will not be easier there than in landing will be especially in military operations, I’m talking about medicine.
    1. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang 24 August 2013 10: 27 New
      +2
      Something better. Organization, composure, responsibility for their work.
      I judge by my second, former, wife - part of the 12th GU MO - day watch. In a day, no question, polygon exit is not a question, for the "keys" - "mini-Kalash" (AKSMU -74, I think) in the teeth, armor and "Sphere" on yourself and the accompanying guard - no question.
      Not to be at home for several days, having on you a lump with ankle boots and with you - an "alarming" suitcase. It's good that I completed it, in the form of three rations of IRP-6, a bag of panties, a bag of socks, etc.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 10: 59 New
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    Let women also join the army if they so decide. Although, in my opinion, women are mothers and custodians of the outbreak, they also have the right to serve in the army and defend their homeland. History knows many examples when women defended their homeland along with men in the Great Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War of 1941- 1945 years
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 24 August 2013 12: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      mouth women also go to the army if they so decide. Although in my opinion women are mothers and guardians of the outbreak, they also have the right to serve in the army and defend their homeland.

      Women do a lot of stupid things in the modern world ..............
      1. bask
        bask 24 August 2013 12: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: APASUS
        Women do a lot of stupid things in the modern world.

        We are the men to blame.
        DAM must be slowed down, a woman lives with emotions, and a man lives with his head.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 01: 05 New
          -3
          It completely serves itself, in the unit of the Israeli Ocean. Without a hand.
          1. Che
            Che 25 August 2013 10: 09 New
            +4
            Quote: Pimply
            It completely serves itself, in the unit of the Israeli Ocean. Without a hand.


            That's why girls do not want to be in combat units.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 05 New
              -1
              Quote: Che
              That's why girls do not want to be in combat units.

              I do not want to. Karen - who is pictured - disabled since childhood. She had a desire to go to serve in the army - and she went. And rightly so. Let’s then ban cars - from them women die much more and they get injuries no less terrible.
              1. Che
                Che 25 August 2013 17: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                I do not want to. Karen - who is pictured - disabled since childhood.


                I thought that in the battle with banduyki I lost my hand. This is a completely different matter. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. I have an invalid friend after Chechnya who also served.
          2. Horde
            Horde 25 August 2013 11: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            It completely serves itself, in the unit of the Israeli Ocean. Without a hand.


            what did you want to say with this picture? that this girl live well? if I let her armless, like an image of army REALITIES, then I think the number of young fools at any recruiting stations would sharply decrease.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 37 New
              -3
              Quote: Horde
              if I let her armless, like an image of army REALITIES, then I think the number of young fools at any recruiting stations would sharply decrease.

              And I said that she lost her hand in the army? ;) And he doesn’t. Life is a dangerous thing in principle. Based on your logic - machines should be prohibited.
      2. Che
        Che 25 August 2013 13: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: APASUS
        Women do a lot of stupid things in the modern world ..............



        Is this really a woman?
  • Horde
    Horde 24 August 2013 11: 27 New
    +5
    everything has been turned upside down. From time immemorial it has been so that a man is a breadwinner, the material basis of the family, a defender of his family, family, and his own good. A woman is the mother of his children, the main duty of a woman is to give birth and raise children. And just like that . A man cannot give birth, cannot feed a whole year of a child with his breast because of the inability of the male body to do this. A man’s business CREATE YOUR KIND, provide it to everyone and ensure safety and further reproduction. All these laws have entered into human psychology over the millennia of human existence . A man will not be happy if he is staying at home with his children, a man must do business, and a woman will not be happy, even very successful at work if she does not have a family and children. And reversing such a scheme means going against HUMAN NATURE and if you want the laws of divine and human.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 August 2013 11: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Horde
      From time immemorial it has been so that the male earner

      Yes, and in tsarist times, no matter how bad they were, they worked and provided the family with everything necessary for life, mostly men. And only the Soviet government obliged all, without exception, women to work!
      1. Horde
        Horde 24 August 2013 11: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Hedgehog
        And only the Soviet government obliged all, without exception, women to work!


        and by what law did Soviet power oblige all women to work?
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 24 August 2013 11: 50 New
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          Honestly, I don’t know the number and name of the law. But we still read about this in the furry Soviet years. I wrote it from old memory. It was with me that peasants began to issue passports. But, on the basis of what law, I do not know either. laughing
          1. Horde
            Horde 24 August 2013 11: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Honestly, I don’t know the number and name of the law. But we still read about this in the furry Soviet years. I wrote it from old memory. It was with me that peasants began to issue passports. But, on the basis of what law, I do not know either.


            Well, for example, that for large families where, by definition, a woman cannot work, the Soviet government allocated FREE apartments and cars, can you remember? To say that the Soviet government forced everyone to work it was once again to create a myth about the USSR.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 24 August 2013 12: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Horde
              The Soviet government allocated FREE apartments and cars, can you remember?

              Dear, what cars and apartments at the very beginning of the coup. Then the laws began to change and then, with equalization of the rights of women and men, they introduced an article on parasitism. And for parasitism they gave a term.
              Do not forget that the Soviet government appeared much earlier than you were born. And before mine. As an example, I can say that one of my grandmas didn’t work never, and my mother was the youngest in the family and was born in 1914. Parents of the father are even older than the father himself. And his mother and aunts also did not have the habit of working on the side. There were enough men. Another thing, after the October coup, had.
              That's all that was found on this topic http://otvet.mail.ru/question/27323644
              1. Horde
                Horde 24 August 2013 12: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: Hedgehog
                with equalization of the rights of women and men, they introduced an article on parasitism. And for parasitism they gave a term.

                well, after the revolution, they wanted to generalize all women as well, but they soon left it because slogans are one thing, but human essence is another
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 24 August 2013 12: 30 New
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                  Quote: Horde
                  after the revolution, they wanted to generalize all women

                  And partly it happened. In my life, both my soul mate and I happened to be people's assessors in court. Last thing, I'll tell you. Both of us did not like it. There are many reasons. So, there, in Soviet times, almost all divorce cases necessarily ended with the abandonment of the woman’s children, even if the father himself did not want to, asking him to give the children to him. Children were forcibly hung on the neck of their mother. Well, when the former spouse financially supported the children. But there were only a few. Many searched and found a way to get away from paying child support. am
                2. bask
                  bask 24 August 2013 12: 46 New
                  +6
                  Combat training of female military personnel in the US Army in 43 year. soldier
                  1. Horde
                    Horde 24 August 2013 13: 07 New
                    +2
                    Quote: bask
                    Military training women in the US Army at 43


                    Looking at such pictures, I just want to say "yes, beauty" or some kind of nonsense like "women don't understand the command to become", but in principle it is clear that such images create a positive image of a woman in the army, but this is only the front side of the phenomenon.
                    1. bask
                      bask 24 August 2013 14: 04 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Horde
                      Tanovis ", but in principle it is clear that with such images they create a positive image

                      This is a photograph of an obscenity. In underwear and high heels.
                      And the war is, first and foremost, blood and dirt.
                      Through what our honored women veterans of the Great Patriotic War went through, it’s even scary to think how they overcame all this and came out victorious !!!
                      But it can only Russian women, in a critical situation for the motherland.
                      1. Armata
                        Armata 24 August 2013 20: 30 New
                        +3
                        Quote: bask
                        This is a photograph of an obscenity. In underwear and high heels.
                        And the war is, first and foremost, blood and dirt.
                        Through what our honored women veterans of the Great Patriotic War went through, it’s even scary to think how they overcame all this and came out victorious !!!
                        But it can only Russian women, in a critical situation for the motherland.
                        Hello dear. Here I read komenty and think. What have our men changed? Then I look at the number of slopes and think. Yes kapets, there are no men left, now their women will defend. Well is not this idiocy? That in Russia there are no men left at all?
                  2. novobranets
                    novobranets 25 August 2013 09: 17 New
                    +2
                    American flag, English helmets, French bras-FOREIGN LEGION, EPT. laughing
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 25 August 2013 01: 06 New
      -2
      Let us then forbid women to work and study. This is the solution to all problems.
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        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2013 16: 10 New
          -1
          Kolya. We switched to you? Sat at the same desk or served? Be careful, look under your feet - your tongue is not long, are you not afraid to stumble?

          Does it bother you that a peasant may not like that a woman is limited her right to life in general and to service in particular? And I think that the one who says this is not a man. Bells they are not in your expansion, excuse me. Bells - they are to be a man, capable of respecting a woman as a person, and not just as a cook and breakdown.
          1. Che
            Che 25 August 2013 17: 19 New
            +2
            Pimpled. Got stuck with this emancipation, yes they want to serve, high serve. Only this is not an option. Breakdown cookers are all a la la. Some men will cook better than some women. All this gender chatter from the evil one.
          2. TRex
            TRex 26 August 2013 13: 23 New
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            Zhenya! We've known each other a long time ago, stop sulking ... Have you complained to the admin? He deleted my comment, warned and scolded him for violating the rules of the site, although I do not see anything offensive or offensive to you.
  • chenia
    chenia 24 August 2013 11: 36 New
    +9
    Women in the army are permissible, in peacetime, in the units of rear and combat support (communications, for example) at the regiment level, in the military not lower than the division.

    In a battle group, they have nothing to do, even in peacetime.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 24 August 2013 11: 50 New
    +5
    I believe the experiment failed! It’s one thing to command the squelch, and the airborne forces in a priori are purely masculine, harsh service, and the women are not fucked up there! American, moronic films that these organizers of experiments have seen enough? Better experiments on your daughters!
  • uralkazak
    uralkazak 24 August 2013 12: 02 New
    +5
    A woman, like a man, is given her special talents - the ability to organize a household with a bunch of children, livestock, etc., the talent to endure incredible mental and physical stress and pain, enormous patience. But the woman begins to use these talents in her own way. Instead of organizing a household, a business is being organized (by virtue of this talent, women are good managers, especially of small enterprises). Instead of giving birth and raising children, they begin to join the army. The trend, it seems, will increase.
    Women can make good soldiers and even commanders, but a woman's business is to give life and continue the race, and not to make killing her professional trade (after all, a military man is a professional killer who must kill by order of the command). For example, I will cite Cossack traditions: Cossack women owned weapons and, if necessary, got up in line, repelling the enemy (the battle for the village of Naurskaya in 1774, the victory in which we still celebrate as a "woman's holiday"). But this is only if necessary, when the enemy is at the gate, and there are not enough men. Is the enemy at the gate now? The war is still being waged on our territory by other methods - and the refusal of women to do their honorable job is one of our defeats in this war. True, there are questions for us, men, why women start doing something other than their own business.
  • chenia
    chenia 24 August 2013 12: 35 New
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    Quote: Hedgehog
    And only the Soviet government obliged all, without exception, women to work!

    Quote: Hedgehog
    Then the laws began to change and then, with equalization of the rights of women and men, they introduced an article on parasitism. And for parasitism they gave a term.


    You invented it yourself, or someone suggested you. A woman in Soviet times could just be a housewife. Well, you can’t get pierced like that.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 August 2013 12: 57 New
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      Quote: chenia
      A woman in Soviet times could just be a housewife

      Yes, I could! How many do you know in your own family? How great is their pension, do you know that? My maternal grandmother received 15 rubles of pension in the Soviet years, and she died already in the late 70s. But she never worked! Therefore, do not fool around.
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 24 August 2013 16: 42 New
        +3
        Hedgehog "Yes, she could! How many people in your family do you know of them?"
        Of my two grandmothers, one was a housewife. Enough? Hehe ... seriously, in the regions of Central Asia and the Caucasus and in the Soviet years, there were plenty of housewives. And here are the minuscule workers. If there were any.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 25 August 2013 17: 34 New
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          Quote: Nagaibak
          Of my two grandmothers, one was a housewife.

          And by what means did she live, exist? I wrote about mine in one of my posts. I asked the interlocutor about the pension of housewives from his family. Now I ask a specific question to Andrei. Tell me about your grandmother’s pension, please.
          And the second one. Yes, among the titular nationalities in Transcaucasia, in heavy industry, I did not meet any of the women at the machine tools. But not the titular nations were.
  • StrateG
    StrateG 24 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +1
    Why are you attached then? Men, yes men. If they want, let them serve. If they do not want to, let them do other things. If a girl can serve and stand up for herself on an equal basis with men, is that really bad? Or do you think her pipirka will grow back at the end of the service and she will not give birth to children? In general opinion, girls should lie for years in the hospital and give birth to you "State Protection" or cook soups at home. Okay, even so. But let's already respect someone else's opinion - the girls have chosen their own path, and they will still give birth to children for you. In the end, maybe a new officer dynasty will appear, where the parents are army officers? Is it bad? I don't think so. In the end, a girl officer is beautiful.

    And do not forget that many girls, along with men, fought in the Second World War and plowed on machines for three, managed to give birth to children and earn their living and children.
  • chenia
    chenia 24 August 2013 12: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: StrateG
    After all, a girl officer is beautiful.


    I agree!!! It is generally beautiful! That's why there where dirt, sweat and blood (not to be confused with medicine) does not belong to her.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 August 2013 13: 03 New
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      Quote: chenia
      That's why there where dirt, sweat and blood (not to be confused with medicine) does not belong to her.

      Therefore, women are at construction sites, on asphalt paving and many other places where there is no blood. Probably for this reason, Ukrainian women, along with Russian ones, are personally busy repairing their apartments and houses, digging vegetable gardens, etc. And a man, my brother-in-law, in particular, lies on the couch and watches the games of "Miner", "Metallist", Kiev "Dynamo "
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 24 August 2013 13: 10 New
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        The fact that there are few real men now is a completely different problem, but there is no need to distort them, there are no women laying on asphalt and sleepers, in general, NO, they are not taken into movers and road workers, it is forbidden. At least in Belarus.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 24 August 2013 13: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Max Otto
          At least in Belarus.

          Right, right-a-avilo. But unfortunately, I'm talking about Russia and a little about Ukraine. drinks
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 25 August 2013 09: 31 New
        +1
        laughing
        Quote: Hedgehog
        And the man, my brother-in-law in particular, is lying on the couch and watching the games of "Miner", "Metalist", Kiev "Dynamo"

        What if the war, and I amsams?
  • Max otto
    Max otto 24 August 2013 13: 03 New
    +8
    Madhouse, women in combat units ... Arrived. By the way, such a thing as the Labor Code was written according to medical indications (more than one research institute worked in this area) and is formed by extensive practice, including places and blood. So, from Soviet times it was recorded in it - weight lifting for women - no more than 7 kg per 1 time. It is not taken from the ceiling, it is determined by the physiology of the body. And I understand that the Labor Code does not have any relation to the army, but the conclusion suggests itself: by the age of 40 we have actually 3 groups of disabled people (although when the uterus is removed, they don’t give the group anymore, but in the USSR they gave 3 grams of disability). And the IDF is an advertisement for the most part. Reason leaves this planet slowly.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 24 August 2013 16: 48 New
      +2
      Max Otto "By the way, such a thing as the Labor Code was written according to medical indications (more than one research institute worked in this area) and was formed by extensive practice, including in some places, and blood. So, since Soviet times, it has been recorded - the rise weights for women - no more than 7kg at a time. This is not taken from the ceiling, it is determined by the physiology of the body. "
      Your post is scary to read! Really the bloodsuckers commies conducted such studies? Interesting and now how?
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 24 August 2013 19: 45 New
        +4
        I write: With blood - this means that there was a ridiculous accident with a fatal or non-fatal outcome, after the investigation of which certain facts are established that led to this. Immediately, changes and additions are made to the instructions for use, labor protection, etc. Normal practice. If this case had not happened, no one would have known about the influence of this or that factor. And the institutes worked on the physiology of man, because it is not in vain that everything is regulated - the mass of goods lifted at one time, during a work shift, the number of breaks is stipulated depending on the air temperature, its pollution and noise level or the presence of vibration on working tools. These numbers are not all taken from the ceiling. What is going on now? Yes, I think the same way, because I do not deal with the field of labor protection, I, so to speak, at the very front, in production, I must know and observe this.
        1. Che
          Che 25 August 2013 17: 22 New
          +1
          Max Otto. You for the post +. Labor protection at the Union was at the level. There was also order in this matter.
    2. Tykta
      Tykta 25 August 2013 08: 03 New
      +2
      I absolutely agree with you, to attract those reserves in a relatively peaceful country (unlike Israel) is one of those wedges in the coffin of our army ... it's just interesting how these girls will bathe in fountains on a day of airborne forces
  • OCD
    OCD 24 August 2013 13: 08 New
    +4
    They survived, if Navalny won the election he promised to allow gay parades, and then the women went to the airborne forces. Okay, still doctors, in communication, but in landing. Have seen enough soldiers Jane. Amer is not yet removed and shown. Should I repeat everything after them?
    The commander must be respected. And if the commander is controlled by hormones at separate intervals (PMS), and he can give a completely unpredictable reaction to the everyday situation, what to do. In one unit, a female leader, got the staff so hard that, knowing her hormonal explosions on the calendar, they went on business trips under any pretext, took sick leave, invented anything, just to meet her. Who could not get off endured her tricks.
    Everyone must do their job. Feminists are bad.
    1. Che
      Che 25 August 2013 13: 08 New
      +1
      If Anal wins, Muscovites will die under the fence like tramps.

      Quote: UBOP
      In one unit, a female leader, got the staff so hard that, knowing her hormonal explosions on the calendar, they went on business trips under any pretext, took sick leave, invented anything, just to meet her. Who could not get off endured her tricks.


      God forbid, I had to deal with this. There will be no real work, and endure it in a bummer.
  • chenia
    chenia 24 August 2013 13: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Therefore, do not make a mess of anything.


    It’s you who’s making a mess of anything, And you don’t need to mow under the fool.

    It was you who started the song, with a hint about equality, about the criminal liability for parasitism applicable to women.

    And the economic component is a completely different matter.

    Well, my grandmother didn’t work when I did not work (housewife), and my mother worked periodically, earning the notorious 120 rubles. And father is an SA officer, and my brother and I (also later officers) made good money (and our wives did not always work).
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 August 2013 14: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: chenia
      Well, my grandmother didn’t work when she didn’t work (housewife),

      And what was her pension? And yes, probably, such a mass of military personnel in families met. For it was compelled. Many wives of officers are still unable to find work, because this is often impossible. And if they want to receive a regular pension, what will happen? 800 hryvnias in Ukraine, for a short experience. Can you live on this? Is retired husband while he is alive! Well, how did he die? Men often live less than women!
  • chenia
    chenia 24 August 2013 13: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Therefore, women at construction sites, on asphalt laying and in many other places where there is no blood.


    It is funny and fun for the reason that in Ukraine now no one does the road at all. Neither men, nor women and non-aliens.

    And so the feeling that you once read the periodicals of the times of perestroika, and still continue to be in that time.

    And yet, one must have an idea of ​​the Army, and understand what they will have to face. And then imagine how easy it will be for a woman. Therefore, a woman at the machine is still acceptable (if men are at the front).
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 August 2013 14: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: chenia
      in Ukraine now no one does the road

      Well, who is to blame for such Ukrainian happiness?
      A woman at a construction site, the solution interferes, drags and scatters on the walls, I can show it in Russia at any time. Although in many cases they have already been replaced by Central Asians.
      And you don’t need to read, just walk along the city streets.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 24 August 2013 14: 27 New
    +2
    In principle, positions for women are quite enough in the army. The whole question is where specifically assigned.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 24 August 2013 14: 39 New
    +2
    I remember we went in front of the army to jump. In the evening volleyball and meeting the girls from the neighboring house. A couple of our Don Juan bosom friends, decided to get to know better - well, in general, tough guys with eggs. All this steepness, as well as the "suspended attitude to the jumps themselves", flew off the very next day, when we were introduced to the instructors! These young and shy ones have already been among the winners of the Union! So, judging by their specialty, girls will not be a hindrance!
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 24 August 2013 19: 33 New
      +2
      Yeah, we have girls and a hammer thrown at the Olympics. Only you, with painful periods, put them on guard, or will you look for a replacement on certain days?
  • elenagromova
    elenagromova 24 August 2013 14: 45 New
    +1
    With the development of technology, which makes physical strength less and less important, the role of women will certainly increase. Humble, men.
    And better pay your anger on the faces in the pants, mowing from the army.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 August 2013 14: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: elenagromova
      And better pay your anger on the faces in the pants, mowing from the army.

      Well, this is always a "hot welcome" guaranteed here, be sure! love
    2. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 24 August 2013 15: 53 New
      +4
      Yes, yes, yes ... Humbled and went into a long bout against the background of a shamed male ego.
      Only here's the thing: the pin_do_sy, well-known advocates of gender equality, having analyzed the effectiveness of women on the battlefield, said "fuck it," and removed them from the warring units. The Sons of Israel (people who were very poor in life, I must admit) initially put women only in auxiliary units.
      For the life of me, I can't imagine this picture of a female platoon commander in DShR or PDR. I don't have enough imagination. Although my head is spinning "Kombab, Mom-Mom Kombab".)))
      1. elenagromova
        elenagromova 24 August 2013 23: 50 New
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        But one image from the French history of 16 century does not give me rest ....
        And what a pity that I cannot enter the President's palace and say: "Oh great, give me an army, and the terrorist mercenaries will be defeated" ...
        But after all WERE THE SAME WOMEN! And not only in France .... We were with us ...
    3. novobranets
      novobranets 25 August 2013 09: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: elenagromova
      With the development of technology that makes physical strength less and less important, the role of a woman will certainly increase


      For example?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 26 August 2013 08: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: novobranets
        For example?

        They can dig trenches, knock out fingers in the tracks. But you never know?
    4. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 August 2013 13: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: elenagromova
      And better pay your anger on the faces in the pants, mowing from the army.
      And this is the flip side of that very feminism, everything is interconnected here
  • mole
    mole 24 August 2013 16: 18 New
    +3
    Strongly against it!
    No need to scoff, everyone has their own responsibilities. Weapons for men! If a woman is interested in weapons, then she looks like a man interested in cosmetics! And there can be no tolerance in this matter. The maximum office work, but not in officer posts, is enough for senior officers who are not pulled to the squad leader.
    And a woman in the army is a dead end! Can progress to the maximum before the birth of the baby! Then for 3 years on maternity leave! Three years for an officer is a lot. Moreover, men cannot give birth yet. wink
    1. elenagromova
      elenagromova 24 August 2013 23: 54 New
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      And what would you ask women interested in, who are not interested in cosmetics at all?
      Moreover, it happens that men are not interested in weapons.
      And in general, not the most correct comparison.
      Say, most women are not interested in shaving and cologne, and men - lipstick and perfume. That's correct.
      And things like politics, weapons, computers, books, etc. - all may be interested.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 26 August 2013 09: 26 New
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        Quote: elenagromova
        And what would you ask women interested in, who are not interested in cosmetics at all?

        Sorry, but how many women who own their own cars are able to make minor repairs in a stopped car without waiting for outside help, do you personally know? I have no doubt that such exist, but there are only a few!
        All this reminds me of both the Zlobin method and the female columns in a taxi fleet.
  • chenia
    chenia 24 August 2013 16: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Only here's the thing: the pin_do_sy, well-known advocates of gender equality, having analyzed the effectiveness of women on the battlefield, said "fuck it," and removed them from the warring units. The Sons of Israel (people who were very poor in life, I must admit) initially put women only in auxiliary units.


    All right, I repeat-
    Quote: chenia
    Women in the army are permissible, in peacetime, in the units of rear and combat support (communications, for example) at the regiment level, in the military not lower than the division.

    In a battle group, they have nothing to do, even in peacetime.
  • Cpa
    Cpa 24 August 2013 16: 41 New
    +3
    Yes, let them serve, they will figure it out, even if they are not considered a stupid war game to consider service. But not more than two per unit, otherwise a mess.
    During our studies, we had women's study groups, different courses lived in the same room. So, unexpectedly, they had terrible hazing belay well, it didn’t come to a fight, but the orders were still the same. And knocking on everyone and everything. Almost all were distributed among the headquarters fellow .
    Although, on a business trip, the chief of the control room was a woman, so I never saw an executive warrant officer, once trained, demanded and everything turned around. I would have pulled a full-fledged platoon !!! Although there was also a telephone operator who had to look for dogs from the subcontractors , left - all breasts in orders!
    I know the chief of the VV’s operative brigade, a female - maroon beret, who was assigned to a soldier on the battlefield for saving the life of 21.
    Physical training is their weak point, so it’s definitely not advanced !!! A sniper as a maximum or a shooting instructor, they shoot better-tested! good
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  • I. Brovkin
    I. Brovkin 24 August 2013 19: 03 New
    +2
    Physical training is their weak point, so it’s definitely not advanced !!!

    I agree, but they don’t need it. For some reason they decided that once such news appeared, the terrible thing happened and now our army will be flooded with female officers who will replace male commanders in all posts. lol I am 100 percent sure that none of these girls will become the commander of an airborne platoon, all of them will be served in non-combat medical, communications, security, etc. units. All this was before, just this year a record was set. hi
    1. Al shahini
      Al shahini 24 August 2013 21: 49 New
      +2
      , all of them are waiting for service in non-combat medical, communications, support, etc. units. (c)
      ===========================================
      I'm afraid to disappoint you. but to fill the positions indicated by you. an officer must have, besides a military tactical education. also special - medical. rear. communication ...

      Just another fashion statement and a waste of budget funds.
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  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 24 August 2013 19: 29 New
    +2
    I suspect throughout the issue that these are daughters-wives-granddaughters of large epaulettes who will not serve in the army, but have come for education, because no civil service has been received.
    Regarding the service of women, read the book "The war does not have a woman's face" - there is nothing for women in the army to do, this is torment for them, although they courageously endure it.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 24 August 2013 20: 00 New
      +4
      Yes, fullness! Daughters, wives, granddaughters of large shoulder straps in the combat unit - nonsense! Their destiny is press service, jurisprudence and other near-army garbage. Then you blurted out without thinking. And yes, at the expense of combat units, at the forefront, here you are right, women should not be allowed to go there. Being an ordinary person, in the case of such a commander’s mess, I’ll be on my shoulder and in a safe place, and I won’t listen to anything. So brought up. But to sit at the remote control, pick his papers, and in the rear services - yes as much as you like, here I have nothing against.
  • largus886
    largus886 24 August 2013 19: 34 New
    +4
    My grandmother in VO with a medical instructor forced Don and Dnepr, is still alive in her mind! So medetsina, communication and even sniping are quite capable
  • SlavaP
    SlavaP 24 August 2013 20: 05 New
    +5
    Probably, really, everything is good in moderation. The army is the same job as everyone else, one approaches it, the other does not. One of my acquaintances, for example, has been working as a firefighter (firefighter?) For many years and nothing, because of this, she has not ceased to be an attractive woman. I am not against women in the military, but in certain positions. Even in Israel, as far as I know, apart from the "Caracal" there are no military units where women serve. And one more thing: about "coolness" - 100% invention of politically correct propaganda. I have sparred more than once with the ladies-black belts of all sorts of dans - they do not pull, oh, they do not pull. In a dark alley, if no one expects from her, it might work, but not at the dojo.
  • saha471
    saha471 24 August 2013 21: 04 New
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    I am not a chauvinist. I just think that in places where there is a real danger, women should not be. They are mothers (almost all, though potential sometimes). But the adoption of informed decisions in a situation where you can not hesitate? Does she have PMS? Or PMS, and she commands a platoon of fighters? Poor fighters .... So a place in the army for people with a female appearance only in one case, when she is essentially a man. Well, or if the war and then everyone defends ...
  • Savva30
    Savva30 24 August 2013 21: 13 New
    +2
    this is not a woman’s business ...
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 24 August 2013 21: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: Savva30
    this is not a woman’s business ...

    From what position to look. Previously, the girls did not even get to know those who did not serve! And now, many "cool with eggs" in attics, but hiding under skirts ...
    If we don’t say that there were tens of thousands of women on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, many of them in battle formations, then we are not friends with conscience, including offended pride ...
    Another question is where and in what posts should they serve, how does the MO plan to ensure staffing - after all, motherhood and everything connected with it has not been canceled? Wouldn’t it happen that after serving a couple of years, the same Moscow Oblast will only have to pay one maternity leave after another - actually corroding and destroying the combat capability of the army from the inside?
  • elenagromova
    elenagromova 25 August 2013 00: 06 New
    +2
    I read a lot of offensive to women.
    I do not want to offend men. But there really was a case.
    There was a group of journalists in Homs. Two women and a whole bunch of men from different media.
    In one of the lanes came under fire. We left.
    In the other, they fired heavily. After that, some (not all) men refused to go there. The women have gone.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 25 August 2013 09: 41 New
      +3
      Elena, you do not need to give examples of the courage of women. You yourself are a real example. We had such a concept in the service - "madness". Here you are a crazy woman - BUT IN A GOOD SENSE - desperate, brave ... because being there is not easy courage. I understand that your profession implies being in such zones, but, for example, I cannot be dragged into this country))
  • Tykta
    Tykta 25 August 2013 07: 57 New
    0
    just the end of the world .... women commanders !!! it just contradicts everything that we have !!! women should not fight !!! fight is the work of men !!!
  • GEO
    GEO 25 August 2013 08: 00 New
    +1
    Article +
    I do not see anything wrong with that.
    And the horse on a gallop, and in a burning hut ... Forgot? These are our Russian women ...
  • GEO
    GEO 25 August 2013 08: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: elenagromova
    I read a lot of offensive to women.
    I do not want to offend men. But there really was a case.
    There was a group of journalists in Homs. Two women and a whole bunch of men from different media.
    In one of the lanes came under fire. We left.
    In the other, they fired heavily. After that, some (not all) men refused to go there. The women have gone.

    Elena, thank you for your work. Below I wrote everything))) About the burning hut.
    1. phantom359
      phantom359 25 August 2013 22: 32 New
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      Quote: GEO
      Quote: elenagromova
      I read a lot of offensive to women.
      I do not want to offend men. But there really was a case.
      There was a group of journalists in Homs. Two women and a whole bunch of men from different media.
      In one of the lanes came under fire. We left.
      In the other, they fired heavily. After that, some (not all) men refused to go there. The women have gone.

      Elena, thank you for your work. Below I wrote everything))) About the burning hut.
      A cat, a woman must be a WOMAN, that is, raise children, be gentle and kind to her beloved man, so that the rear is covered, and not with ,,,,,.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 25 August 2013 09: 11 New
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    I am not against women in the army. And in the Airborne Forces there are women in command positions. Medical services, provision and storage services. They were there, are and will be.
    But at the forefront, in units directly performing a combat mission?
    Yes, and ... If a woman can arrange terror during PMS, then in the unit ...
    It may be, but not in droves.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 25 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    to each gallows a woman commander, and that at night not greedy
  • faraon
    faraon 25 August 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    I read the article and put +. So they fly off the tongue "There are women in Russian villages ......." Against the background of the so-called perestroika market reforms, when the army was lowered below the plinth, the rank of an officer from a prestigious one turned into something abusive. I consider it a feat that the girls went to the army. Apparently the time has come and shame on the men who mow down from the army.
    Now look at it from the other side. What is a woman in the army. Again, shame on the peasants. They admitted it because it was correctly noted in the comments that the inheritance of a woman is a family hearth. But what to do if in Russia men begin to turn gradually into women, and women vice versa in men. (look at the statistics of conscription for military service).
    Of course, no one of these girls will be sent to battle, they will be engaged in instructor work, but you must admit that this type of activity in the army is also needed, along with rear logistics and communications.
    It’s just that this noble act of Russian women pushes to think about whether the Russian land has become impoverished for men, if women are already defending the Motherland.
  • awg75
    awg75 25 August 2013 22: 23 New
    +2
    this is the height of idiocy - a woman in the army ...