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Among the videos on the Internet against the government, there is a special one. It does not contain any sedition, but only frames of the First Channel of different years: year after year, Putin speaks of the need to stop the unjustified growth of utility tariffs. Now his promises are especially relevant. The government releases the price of electricity for free floating, which has already risen in price 7,5 times in 12 years.


In the government, these words will certainly be called a lie if an important clarification is not made (important for the government, but not for the citizens). The state will release prices for those kilowatts that are consumed in excess of the “norm” that 1 will introduce in January 2014. In real life, the rate is 150-200 kW per person on average in Russia, but according to the government version it is 70 kW. These 70 kW will have a regulated price. The remaining kilowatts rise in price unpredictably - depending on the appetite of the monopolists.

Someone pearl chalk

But maybe kilowatts within the “social norm” will cost a penny? Dreaming. In the Krasnoyarsk Territory, where the “norm” has already been introduced on an experimental basis, one such kilowatt costs citizens in 1,28 rubles. Before the experiment, it was cheaper: 1,12 rub.
And that is not all. The average "norm" in 70 kW applies only to one inhabitant of an apartment. The second relies 50 kW, the third and fourth - from 10 to 30 kW. Such is the stimulation of fertility.

And even that is not all. In the "norm" is included not only the apartment electricity, but also general building: elevators and lights in the stairwell. “Unfortunately,” said government official A. Soldatov on television. This expressive “unfortunately” obviously means some kind of necessity that forces people to make sacrifices. What is the need? War time? The coming aggression of the Americans?

Speaking seriously, the cost per kilowatt is a penny. And this is not a figurative expression. She is 17,5 cop. Whereas, for example, Muscovites pay 4 rubles per kilowatt, that is, 22,8 times more than the cost. Navar power suppliers did not dream and drug dealers.

ТRenni on officials

Initially, an experiment with the introduction of "social norms" was planned to be held in 16 regions, but in the end their number was reduced to seven. Loud history became a riot of Primorye. Governor of the region V. Miklushevsky declared: “Experiments should not be carried out on living people. Better on the officials. Let them experiment on themselves. ”

L. Talabayeva, secretary of the United Russia seaside political council, expressed a softer message: “People do not know whether this is good or bad, and they think it is bad. Therefore, I am very pleased with the decision of the governor to suspend the experiment. We should have information with which we will go to the people. Then people will understand what a social norm is. ”

In many settlements of Primorsky Krai there is no hot water supply, and residents are forced to use electric heaters. And from autumn to spring - also electric heaters, because the heating in many houses is very conditional. Accordingly, the “norm” in 70 kW for Primorye is laughter through tears.

V. Miklushevsky has not yet announced what number of kilowatts he will insist on. Only noted: “I submitted the issue for consideration by the expert council. We created a special working group, which included various public organizations and political parties. I decided to suspend the participation of Primorsky Krai in this experiment until the moment when the working group renders a final verdict and sends it to me. ”

It remains to hope that the verdict of the working group will be adequate. But in any case, Primorye will not save the whole of Russia. Each region will have to fight for themselves independently.

Playing with fire

“Restrictions on 70 kW per person are simply insane,” commented G. Khovanskaya, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Housing and Public Utilities (Fair Russia). - No family will meet this indicator, even with savings. In Europe and the United States, electricity consumption is two to three times more than the average for Russia. This is the very parameter that, it would seem, in Russia it is necessary to raise, not lower. If we are to lower something, then water consumption, because with it we have overlap in the other direction. ”

How to prevent the intentions of the government - the deputy does not know. “The initiative will go not through our committee, but through the energy committee. Or maybe the State Duma is not involved at all, limiting itself to a government decree, explains G. Khovanskaya. - I must say, the position of the chairman of the committee does not particularly help me influence the processes. She could help if the majority of the committee were my supporters. And so - an absolute blockade.

It's amazing that I sometimes even manage to do something (through appeals to the prime minister and the president). ”

“The crooks who appropriated the electric power industry due to Chubais privatization are moving to a new stage of robbing people,” said Yabloko’s leader S. Mitrokhin. - Until now, the authorities have found a "middle ground" for themselves: they humiliated the people just to the extent that they did not rebel. In this case, she plays with fire. Maybe she specifically wants to provoke the people into an unlawful uprising, in order to finally establish a dictatorship as a result of the suppression. ”

Probably, the government will still allow the regions to raise the “social norm” - quite a bit, right next to the boiling stage of the people. And the population will take it as a favor. Recall that in Bulgaria in the winter - just with the increase in tariffs for electricity and heating - the people dismissed the government by peaceful protest actions. You can, of course, say that our government is different and the people are different. In Russia, the people will not go anywhere, because the government still will not go anywhere. Or, on the contrary, the government will not leave because the people will not leave?
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  1. Garrin
    Garrin 21 August 2013 06: 27 New
    61
    In addition to what the author wrote, I’ll say that I read an article yesterday about the introduction of social norms on water. That is, thieves already specifically climb into our pockets, without any hesitation.
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 21 August 2013 06: 59 New
      42
      I don’t understand one thing. Someone wants a repetition of 17 g. So the guys will not be in time for the airport. And it will be at the airport, and then throughout the country it is dirty, slimy and smell bad. What are these fun with the people? What do they think that the coffin has pockets or they are very waiting for them abroad. So these eccentrics did not study well. After 17 years, all who left the country in a foreign land were simply robbed. And the counts — porters and countesses — became prostitutes. If there is no state behind you, the price abroad is worthless even if you have a full wallet.
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 21 August 2013 07: 29 New
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        Quote: redwolf_13
        И steel Counts - by porters and countesses - by prostitutes.


        They continued to be them - born to crawl cannot fly. Only customers and rates have changed. The current ones are their clones ... The burrowing euro-leaders. Until they lower it, they will row with their mouth and w @ sing.
      2. Ross
        Ross 21 August 2013 11: 25 New
        +1
        I suspect that someone steers this meaningfully, trying to provoke the people and sweep away Putin at the same time. Create chaos. Do not wash so skating. No wonder the media propaganda went in advance.
        1. vot-te-raz
          vot-te-raz 21 August 2013 11: 46 New
          26
          I knew that this time the Tsar was white and fluffy, he knows nothing at all, knows no knowledge. Here liberals also dig under PU.
          Not tired of singing the same thing ??
          And I realized this is another 100501 step of the Sun to the people’s liberation breakthrough, because we don’t know everything, and then he will cover everyone in the Kolyma year with 2037.)))
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 21 August 2013 13: 34 New
            26
            And that is not all. The average "norm" in 70 kW applies only to one inhabitant of an apartment. The second relies 50 kW, the third and fourth - from 10 to 30 kW. Such is the stimulation of fertility.
            This already does not fit into any framework! am
            And all that is needed is to nationalize nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations and high-voltage power lines. Set an acceptable price for 1 kW, which will stimulate the development of the economy.
            1. yak69
              yak69 21 August 2013 20: 25 New
              11
              A few days ago, they put me a bunch of minuses for the fact that he once again called Putin a traitor to the people of Russia. Moreover, as usual, not unfoundedly, he brought undeniable arguments and anyway - just a flurry of idolaters came running!
              As I already wrote once, I’ll just be curious what Putin’s advocates will say, when EVERYTHING is already there, the time will come to go out and call this government to leave and call early elections. How many g.v.n.a still it is necessary to put on a head all these defenders of puktin so that they finally make sure - he does not care about the citizens of Russia! And he is afraid of amers, because he does not want to be hanged by them. That feeds the army, the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so that they do not dare.

              And to write his last name with a capital letter, the hand does not rise. He is not my president, I did not choose him. He is a traitor to popular interests.
              Say: and then what ?! And then early elections and other candidates. Surnames have already been voiced more than once.
              1. matross
                matross 21 August 2013 20: 51 New
                0
                Quote: yak69
                Surnames have already been voiced more than once.

                Excuse me, I have clearly lagged behind life. Surnames do not remind?
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                  1. matross
                    matross 21 August 2013 21: 37 New
                    +1
                    Thanks for the answer. People, like, are all worthy. Putin, too, seemed to such a majority until recently. Yes, and now it seems to many. Do you work in power if you are familiar with them?
                    1. yak69
                      yak69 21 August 2013 21: 41 New
                      +5
                      Quote: matRoss
                      Do you work in power if you are familiar with them?

                      It was a matter of work.
                      Gone ... They do not like those who disagree with ugliness (it is very softly said)
                      1. matross
                        matross 21 August 2013 21: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: yak69
                        Disagree with disgraces do not like

                        That is yes! But, I hope, you managed to do something, as they say, "for the people"?
                        And since you are from there, let me ask you another question. If I understand correctly, you consider Putin’s policies to be anti-people, and, using terminology, which is widely heard, an enemy of the people. But why do you think he does it? Hiring global imperialism, conscientiously mistaken, or maybe it sets itself the goal of personal enrichment?
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                      3. yak69
                        yak69 22 August 2013 00: 16 New
                        +6
                        By and large, I, as a truly believing person, will accept any fate that happens. Moreover, from the point of view of Eternity, all this Civilization is only one of the endless drops in the Universe. This Manvantara will end, Pralaya will come. Then, a new “experiment” of the Lord God will begin. Where will we be, who will we be? Maybe a stone on some planet, again we will begin our evolution.
                        We have here, one task - to preserve our Image and Likeness and remain Humans in any situation. Very many do not succeed. I could have satisfactorily settled in this life - for many years in power, “steal, I do not want,” hypocrite, sit up, wait and wait. I can not! Turns everything inside out. Well, it’s not my thing to lie, to impersonate, to play the hypocrite, to suck. Brought up differently, in the Soviet way. And this is precisely what our government does not need.
                        In a word, "he who has ears, let him hear; he who has eyes, let him see."

                        Many of my fellow citizens like to be in the role of sheep grown for lunch, this is their personal choice.
                        I have done mine for a long time ...
                        hi
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 22 August 2013 01: 07 New
                        +2
                        I agree with everything except this:
                        Quote: yak69
                        But sometimes thoughts suggest exactly that.

                        Could the bribing by the West of the group of people holding key posts in the USSR cause the collapse of the Union and the destruction of the socialist system? Of course.

                        Is bribery a prerequisite in this system? Not.

                        Razor Okamma, George.

                        It makes sense to regard the croaking of a wow with the West as the logic of relations between organized crime groups from the year 90 to the present.
                  2. nycsson
                    nycsson 21 August 2013 23: 13 New
                    +4
                    Quote: yak69
                    Gone ... They do not like those who disagree with ugliness (it is very softly said)

                    I agree. I personally experienced it myself.
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 21 August 2013 23: 10 New
            +4
            Quote: yak69
            A few days ago they put me a bunch of minuses for once again calling Putin a traitor to the people of Russia

            From me personally a fat plus! hi
            Quote: yak69
            Moreover, as usual, not unfoundedly, he brought undeniable arguments and anyway - just a flurry of idolaters came running!

            As they say, there is no mind, people will not give. Do not pay attention.
            Quote: yak69
            Say: and then what ?! And then early elections and other candidates.

            Yes, not so simple. They just won’t let you get up from your knees.crying
            Well, to all the proponents of GDP, I want to make a brain explosion with this video:
          3. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 22 August 2013 04: 39 New
            +3
            called Putin a traitor to the people of Russia. Moreover, as usual, not unfoundedly, he brought undeniable arguments and anyway - just a flurry of idolaters came running! winked and what, is it true that the patron of all crooks has a lot of fans? winked
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 13: 45 New
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      Quote: Ross
      I suspect that someone steers this meaningfully, trying to provoke the people and sweep away Putin at the same time. Create chaos. Do not wash so skating. No wonder the media propaganda went in advance.

      In this case, what and by whom does your Putin rule as head of state? request
    3. matross
      matross 21 August 2013 14: 52 New
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      Quote: Ross
      I suspect that someone steers this meaningfully, trying to provoke the people and sweep away Putin at the same time.

      But Putin is not interfering? It is doubtful. I think that most likely the GDP itself provokes these passions with unpopular measures, such as with a minimum on electricity or the abolition of maternal capital, initiated by the government. And who is the head of government? Right, DAM! Which has already finished its role, but everything does not go away. And you just won’t give a kick - like colleagues, a tandem and all that. The image will suffer. But if the people are outraged, there is nothing to do - it’s my fault, goodbye! Unpopular and without this DAM, they will make guilty of excesses and write off under the general hooting! And what to do, he knew where to climb! This is power, son, here the friendship is dumb!
      1. Nick
        Nick 21 August 2013 18: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: matRoss
        And what to do, he knew where to climb! This is power, son, here the friendship is dumb!

        You can remain human in any environment, including in the government ... There is no justification for malice ...
        1. matross
          matross 21 August 2013 19: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: Nick
          You can remain human in any environment, including in power

          Can. But not for long. And then, only if power is not an end in itself. And in general, the criteria of morality for those vested with serious power are applicable very conditionally. This is a different level of existence. Were moral Stalin, Churchill, Peter I, Catherine II, Mao Tse Dong, Genghis Khan? Any leader whose role in history we, descendants, evaluate as significant, regardless of the sign - positive or negative. And smaller figures will not fall out of the row - substitute any.
          Quote: Nick
          There is no excuse for malice.

          There is no bitterness. Here is another. Inability to make emotional decisions. Logic dictated by necessity.
    4. rsnv
      rsnv 21 August 2013 18: 10 New
      10
      A thoughtful thought that total embezzlement occurs in the country at the same time, corruption rules the ball, the economy is degrading, and with all this, “Putin is not to blame” can do irreparable harm to your mind.
    5. Combitor
      Combitor 22 August 2013 00: 28 New
      +4
      Ross Yesterday, 11:25
      In your opinion, the "honorary fisherman" should not be held responsible for everything that has been heaped up for 13 years of his reign? And the bad ministers whom he appointed while still in the second term of the presidency are to blame for everything? The old song of all putinoids!
      1. matross
        matross 22 August 2013 12: 08 New
        -1
        "Honorary Fisherman", putinoids, pu, pukin. Where I am? Is this the good old Military Review ?! Constructive criticism - yes, these are our methods! But what about swamp rhetoric? Is it possible at least somewhere to rest your soul from liberocriticism ?!
  2. Joker
    Joker 21 August 2013 11: 58 New
    14
    I don’t understand one thing, someone wants to repeat 17. So the guys will not have time to go to the airport. And it will be at the airport, and then in the whole country it is dirty, it is slim, and it smells bad.

    Oh, I don't need this one. Let's in fact, they ruined the country in 91 and fiddled with its 10 years and who went to the protests? ANYONE. Now 50% or more consider Pu as a savior and the hell out of two will come out to protest, even if they start chasing them with whips, everyone will write off what Pu didn’t know, these are all the officials that Pu opposes. And even if there will be a revolt, then it will be quieted quickly, there are no weapons, there is nothing, and there the bureaucrats are on the sly and dumped from here.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 13: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: Joker
      Now 50% or more consider Pu a savior

      No mind, people will not give. The article again hints that the GDP is well done, and the government is sabotaging it. wassat
      1. alone
        alone 21 August 2013 22: 21 New
        +3
        It’s interesting that all this is presented as if he didn’t know))) he is aware of everything that is going on in Russia, believe my word. This can not even be. one official cannot steal on his own and leave everything to himself. Such people usually die, it is very doubtful and sudden. All this is systematized as automatic. one hand feeds the other. am
        1. Very old
          Very old 21 August 2013 22: 27 New
          +1
          Do you live in Azerbaijan? And you know the saying: the hand washes a hand.
          1. alone
            alone 21 August 2013 23: 01 New
            +2
            Yes, dear Valentine))) the hand washes his hand, and they wash their face together !! if translated from Azerbaijani, it approximately turns out like this)))
            1. Very old
              Very old 22 August 2013 00: 19 New
              0
              God grant that so. And not otherwise. I would say something else, but the moderator can change it. He cannot let me speak the original language, unfortunately
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 22 August 2013 00: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Old very
                God grant that so. And not otherwise. I would say something else, but the moderator can change it. He cannot let me speak the original language, unfortunately


                Valentine hi
                I wrote you a reason, an innovation in the rules of VO,
                point e) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in the comments to published articles is Russian. Unfortunately, speakers of other languages ​​often use them to clarify relationships among themselves, while using obscene language. In addition, the forum presupposes publicity, therefore statements written in any foreign language and incomprehensible to the vast majority of readers due to their ignorance of various foreign languages ​​will be deleted.



                The moderator (s) monitor compliance with the rules of the VO by all visitors to the forum without exception. This is not my whim.
                1. Very old
                  Very old 22 August 2013 01: 22 New
                  0
                  Apollon, I come to VO to speak with a real, not a vertical person. Naturally, I will strictly adhere to the rules of the site. Really delete even "sag-ol"? You for science.
    2. xoma58
      xoma58 21 August 2013 13: 49 New
      +1
      I totally agree. Looking around the people around, you basically see either a cowardly ... or a popolis ready to lick to anyone, and very few normal people. So everything will get away with “our” Eugene government again. No one is going anywhere. They crap one's pants out of fear.
      1. Very old
        Very old 22 August 2013 00: 27 New
        +1
        xoma58, what are you? It is not worth calling your people “people”. In Russia there are much more PEOPLE than the one you mean. Do not get embittered. It's unhealthy. For health. And so on.
  3. vezunchik
    vezunchik 21 August 2013 12: 38 New
    +1
    even if they have time, the West has already begun to rip them off, and then they will finish
  4. aksakal
    aksakal 21 August 2013 13: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: redwolf_13
    What are these fun with the people?

    "Of course, we can say that our government is different and the people are different. In Russia, the people will not go anywhere, because the government will still not go anywhere. Or, on the contrary, the government will not leave because the people will not leave?"- I would NOT RISK SO. One classic brilliantly wrote about the Russian rebellion, learn the classics, there are already all the hints about Western liberalism and about the fact that stupid fun with the Russian people is extremely dangerous to life.
    I wonder why knowing history does not save us from repeating mistakes in the future? Some kind of strange phenomenon.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 21 August 2013 22: 13 New
      +2
      aksakal (1) KZ Today, 13:54
      “You can, of course, say that our government is different and the people are different. In Russia, the people will not leave nowhere, because the government will not leave anywhere anyway. Or, on the contrary, the government will not leave because the people will not leave?” - I would NOT RISK SO. One classic wrote brilliantly about the Russian rebellion, learn the classics, there are already all the hints about Western liberalism, and about the fact that stupid fun with the Russian people is extremely dangerous for life.
      I wonder why knowing history does not save us from repeating mistakes in the future? Some kind of strange phenomenon.


      Good evening, dear forum member, I'm sorry I do not know how to call you by name?
      I completely agree with your conclusions! good
      Let me add on my own behalf that in the systematic impoverishment of the Russian people that we are observing all of us (as in other former republics of the USSR), I see two or more reasons or goals:
      1-a.
      The authorities believe that they are better and SMARTER than their predecessors for 50-100 years or more, that they have calculated everything, THERE WILL NOT HAPPEN ANYTHING, and they have also prepared a sufficient number of handcuffs, “Bird Cherry” and other means of coercion and weapons
      2-я.
      The authorities want to bring people to a social explosion, and then, in the guise of protecting the constitutional order, arrange a DICTATURE OF NOMENCLATURE (NOT popular government)
      3-я.
      The authorities continue to play a tragicomedy according to the established scenario: “a bad politician and a good politician”, where both politicians, one field are a berry, and DO NOT SERVE their people and HIS ENEMIES.
      4-я.
      A variant of the second “Pugachovschina” is considered to be impossible in the Kremlin, so they are so sure of the impunity of the nomenclature. Such their arrogance will later be very expensive for them.
      But all our peoples in the CIS / ex-USSR they’ll pay as it happens a high bloody price, and will take advantage of the fruits of all sacrifices and grief regular prophets and guides to the "Paradise of the Earth" type "Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Co.".
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 21 August 2013 22: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: michajlo
        But all our peoples in the CIS / ex-USSR will pay a heavy bloody price, and the fruits of all the sacrifices and sorrow will again be taken by the next prophets and guides to the "Paradise on Earth" such as "Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Co."

        I completely agree with your thoughts. I have written about this more than once. Everything will end as in a saying: greed fraer ruined! hi
      2. Very old
        Very old 22 August 2013 02: 05 New
        0
        What are you talking about? Dominated by Athletes. Even the first position in the state is transferred as a baton. I ran the distance, now it's your turn
  • Alez
    Alez 21 August 2013 07: 32 New
    20
    Today, the standards for electricity, water. Tomorrow's air.
  • Order
    Order 21 August 2013 07: 59 New
    46
    What an evil irony ... "Damned commies" struggled with energy deficiency by building new powerful power plants, and our most democratic government, for the sake of economy, puts people to spend evenings at a splinter. But we are more free than ever .... Creatures ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 August 2013 11: 59 New
      25
      Quote: Ordnung
      What an evil irony ... "Damned commies" struggled with energy deficiency by building powerful new power plants, and our most democratic government, for the sake of economy, puts people to spend evenings at a splinter.

      The paradox is that there is no energy deficit, on the contrary, there is an excess, because industry, the main consumer, is now "lying". Deripaska won two more aluminum plants. Once again, this is the most commonplace robbery on the state. level.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 21 August 2013 14: 39 New
        12
        The paradox is that there is no energy deficit, on the contrary - an excess
        Eh, the people again did not understand the good intention of the government. So the pre-revolution of 1917, there was no electricity in the villages, what did people do at night? That's right, they increased the birth rate. bully And you see, they sit at the computers for days and nights! wink
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 13: 43 New
      11
      Quote: Ordnung
      What an evil irony ... "Damned commies" struggled with energy deficiency by building new powerful power plants, and our most democratic government, for the sake of economy, puts people to spend evenings at a splinter. But we are more free than ever .... Creatures ...

      And this despite the fact that in Russia, like nowhere, a large number of hydroelectric power stations and nuclear power plants. I don’t remember where I read that the cost of 1 kW of electricity in Russia is about 10 kopecks. And this social norm is nothing but brazen theft. Families will not be within the limit, which means they will pay more. am
  • nycsson
    nycsson 21 August 2013 13: 24 New
    11
    Quote: Garrin
    That is, thieves already specifically climb into our pockets, without any hesitation.

    I have a feeling that there is a test of the strength of people's patience. No wonder. Terpil of us are excellent. From this, their appetites grow.
  • figwam
    figwam 21 August 2013 14: 14 New
    +8
    They will enter the water later, then we will wash ourselves in basins. And the electricity will have to be saved already from the new year, here you have the floors with electric heating and air conditioning from heat, and dishwashers, and washing machines, etc. etc. In short, we slide into the sixties according to consumption standards. Progress however.
  • starshina78
    starshina78 21 August 2013 18: 15 New
    +4
    The worst thing is that the “EP” faction will vote unanimously and at the same time everything will be arranged in such a way that it is a concern for the voter, all those who vote against will be called liberals who live on American money. All TV and radio will only say what the deputies say - United Russia, like Zheleznyak and Neverov, and opposing opinions will not be voiced. This has been held more than once during the voting of laws such as "On Education", "On Medical Services for Citizens", and others. A powerful PR was carried out, that everything is done for the good of the people, and as a result, "here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day." All that is needed for the Government passes unquestioningly through the Duma. The "ER" faction in the Duma can be called a faction of the Government. And with the experiments, well, what have we experienced a lot of them, and we will survive, and in the next election we will remember about them, and renaming “EP” in ONF will not work.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 August 2013 19: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: starshina78
      The faction "EP" in the Duma can be called a faction of the Government

      Putin faction
  • Basil123
    Basil123 21 August 2013 21: 12 New
    -1
    All of the above is correct. One question remains: WHY does the government need this? There is a large-scale rearmament of the army. The confrontation with the amers is ever stronger. It is not known what reaction will the GDP have if they get there directly? Maybe I'm wrong, I think grandmas are going to the defense, otherwise the communists will not just explain stupidity in the next elections. AND IF THE BUTTERS WENT WHERE THEN with BIG pleasure fellow
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 21 August 2013 22: 57 New
      +2
      Every nation has a government that has it. Axiom.
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 21 August 2013 06: 33 New
    14
    Shitty. To live better, more fun.
    1. Zifix
      Zifix 21 August 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      The fact that we are not talking about 70 kWh for each Russian is vouched by the representative of the Department of Electricity Development of the Ministry of Energy of Russia Andrei Maksimov. According to him, the social norm will be established in each subject of the Russian Federation separately and will be equal to the average level of consumption in the region, taking into account its specifics. Thus, at least 70% of the population should fall within the framework of social norms, and the margin in excess of it, according to Maximov, his department plans to keep at no more than 30% of the main tariff. At the same time, the regions are given the right to “play” at the price of reducing tariffs within the normal range by raising them beyond its limits.

      http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27258/
  • sashka
    sashka 21 August 2013 06: 43 New
    25
    It can be added that the government decided to abolish maternity capital from 2016. "To stimulate a later retirement and lower spending on medicine and education .. Comrades are on the right path .. Slavaaa" Uryayaya !!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 August 2013 06: 49 New
      22
      It seems to me that everything is very simply explained. The budget is being stolen insolently, the easiest way to replenish it is to brazenly and shamelessly get into our pockets and wallets.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 06: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Sasha
      It can be added that the government decided to abolish maternity capital in 2016. “To stimulate a later retirement and reduce the cost of medicine and education.

      Give a link
      1. sashka
        sashka 21 August 2013 07: 04 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Give a link

        Read, see .. Take an interest in the word. I just have no time to Collect links .. I read that I say
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 08: 29 New
          -8
          Quote: Sasha
          .I just have no time to collect links

          Then there is nothing to give the project as a fait accompli.
          Quote: Normal
          RF Ministry of Finance sends state treasury cost optimization project

          Oh, Normal is normal, but no one will do it on the eve of the State Duma elections, and then presidency. Trap and no more
          1. Normal
            Normal 21 August 2013 10: 46 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh, Normal is normal, but no one will do it on the eve of the State Duma elections, and then presidency. Trap and no more

            Oh, Alexander Romanov, this is not a chatter (chatter is our communication on the site) This is a project of the Ministry of Finance sent to the government. That is, a document of a serious organization, a government institute.
            On the eve of the elections to the State Duma, it may not be, maybe it will not be on the eve of the presidential election. Although who will stop the authorities from playing these elections with the 147% “FOR”? Are you and me? Ah, Romanov? Will you go out? That's the same ...
            And after all the elections, are you sure that this will not happen?
            And before the election, GDP will gain political points in this matter. He will make a statement and with a worried look that it is unacceptable to infringe on the interests of ordinary citizens, he will scold officials from the Ministry of Finance. Fedorov once again stigmatizes the occupation of Russia and glorifies the Leader and the main partisan of the People's Liberation Movement. And in half a year or a year after the election, a decree will be issued quietly under the president’s signature where most of these proposals will be legalized.
            I bet you? laughing
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 16 New
              +5
              Quote: Normal
              On the eve of the elections to the State Duma, it may not be, maybe it will not be on the eve of the presidential election.

              The election is still a long way off. To live .......
              Quote: Normal
              Fedorov once again stigmatizes the occupation of Russia and glorifies the Leader and the main partisan of the People's Liberation Movement.

              I am laughing. laughing
              Quote: Normal
              I bet you?

              Do not be. laughing
              Quote: Normal
              But don't worry. Of course, Putin will save us all and will not allow the arbitrariness of the "occupation power"

              It is necessary to look through the Constitution! wassat
      2. Normal
        Normal 21 August 2013 07: 42 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Give a link

        The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation sent to the government a project to optimize state treasury expenses. Due to the abolition of maternity capital, the revision of pension system costs and public sector reforms, officials plan to save more than 1,1 trillion rubles over the next three years, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports today.
        According to the publication, the changes will primarily affect the costs of the pension system. In particular, it is proposed to stimulate a later retirement. To this end, the authors of the report propose establishing additional coefficients for the size of the retirement pension if the person continues to work further without leaving for a well-deserved rest. Another option is to index the insurance part of the retirement pension once a year by the amount of annual inflation, plus another two percent. Thus, real growth of pensions will be ensured, and the budget in the long term will save one and a half trillion rubles on subsidies to the Pension Fund. It is proposed to work out the issue of raising the retirement age.
        Experts also suggest no longer issue maternity capital after December 31, 2016. In their opinion, this will free up 300-330 billion rubles. Instead, it is proposed to increase benefits for children from poor families.
        The public sector will also fall under optimization of budget expenditures; here it is supposed to reduce the share of ineffective expenditures by 10-15 percent. The activities of educational institutions should also become more transparent - by 2016 this will save up to 15 percent of the state money allocated for them.


        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1119754


        But don't worry. Of course, Putin will save us all and will not allow the arbitrariness of the "occupation power" laughing
      3. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 21 August 2013 09: 02 New
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        Do you know how to use search? or maybe except where you read the news nowhere?
      4. mogus
        mogus 21 August 2013 10: 24 New
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        I myself read about it yesterday. They proposed such a project, but they are unlikely to let it go.
        There is also a proposal to raise pensions for pensioners living in the Far East.
      5. nycsson
        nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 12 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Give a link

        Please:
        http://www.kp.ru/daily/26121/3014843/
        http://www.aif.ru/mymoney/news/432240
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Oh, Normal is normal, but no one will do it on the eve of the State Duma elections, and then presidency. Trap and no more

        It is your opinion. Hammer in the search engine and make sure that this is not a chatter.
    3. Hon
      Hon 21 August 2013 09: 42 New
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      Quote: Sasha
      It can be added that the government decided to abolish maternity capital from 2016. "To stimulate a later retirement and lower spending on medicine and education .. Comrades are on the right path .. Slavaaa" Uryayaya !!

      But in Sochi, the budget of a small state got bogged down
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 01 New
      +8
      Quote: Sasha
      It can be added that the government decided to abolish maternity capital from 2016. "To stimulate a later retirement and lower spending on medicine and education .. Comrades are on the right path .. Slavaaa" Uryayaya !!

      Add!
      1. Now they are breaking through the bill on the payment of major repairs by homeowners. A separate board will appear in addition to the existing ones.
      2. In high school introduced educational standards. I explain: the state is obliged to provide free, general secondary education only within the framework of state educational standards. Understanding that what is in the standards, they will give you for free. And what is not in the standards, then pay for it yourself.
      3. In April, a letter with a proposal to raise the retirement age was sent to the Ministry of Finance, signed by the Deputy Minister of Economic Development. As well as increasing the insurance period from 5 to 15 years to receive a basic pension. Thus, in spite of all the talk that there will be no increase in the retirement age, this is first creeping, and then at a gallop, as the economic situation worsens, the retirement age will increase. For women - by 8 years. wassat
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 21 August 2013 15: 47 New
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        1. Now they are breaking through the bill on the payment of major repairs by homeowners. A separate board will appear in addition to the existing ones.


        It’s not too late yet, to urgently cancel all privatization of apartments, otherwise you’ve got the bourgeois at a public expense, you know :).
        And how do you actually want to? WHO should pay for the overhaul of your home? Not Abramovich and not Chubais. Roma is generally sad, two yachts have already overtaken his yacht in size.

        2. In high school introduced educational standards. I explain: the state is obliged to provide free, general secondary education only within the framework of state educational standards. Understanding that what is in the standards, they will give you for free. And what is not in the standards, then pay for it yourself.


        Well, what's the difference? Previously, there were approved programs, now it is an obrstandard. If we take it according to secondary vocational education, nothing has seriously changed, with the exception of hemorrhoids, in order to figure out how to choose one’s discipline and new alterations from UMK from this standard.
        And if you are hinting that they will leave the subject in the 3 standard - social science, physical education and something else, then this is a lie, ... and a provocation. Since, on the basis of school standards, SSUZovsky and VUZovsky are already being imposed.

        3. In April, a letter with a proposal to raise the retirement age was sent to the Ministry of Finance, signed by the Deputy Minister of Economic Development. As well as increasing the insurance period from 5 to 15 years to receive a basic pension. Thus, in spite of all the talk that there will be no increase in the retirement age, this is first creeping, and then at a gallop, as the economic situation worsens, the retirement age will increase. For women - by 8 years.


        It's April already. If I remember correctly, the experience was increased, but the age was not raised. But, in fact, why should the pensionable experience be only 5 years, if the able-bodied age is about 40 years? What the rest of the time people did? Organized the dark sector of the economy?

        And do not blame GDP for all troubles. He just plays by the rules of capitalism, which the older generation chose at the end of the 80's and the beginning of the 90's. And now, when the American dream has turned its back, you start to groan that it’s hard to live and blame the GDP.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 August 2013 23: 03 New
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          Quote: alicante11
          It’s not too late yet, to urgently cancel all privatization of apartments, otherwise you’ve got the bourgeois at a public expense, you know :).

          And what does privatization have to do with it? Previously, a certain percentage per cap was allocated from the total payment amount. repairs. It is clear that this money was stolen, so they found a way out of this situation. So do not la la.
          Quote: alicante11
          And how do you actually want to? WHO should pay for the overhaul of your home?

          Are you normal? request What does my home have to do with it? It's about a cap. repairing a house, not my apartment: roofing, porch, communications, etc.!
          Quote: alicante11
          Well, what's the difference?

          One ...... and the other is a teaser! That is the difference.
          Quote: alicante11
          And if you are hinting that they will leave the subject in the 3 standard - social science, physical education and something else, then this is a lie, ... and a provocation.

          And there is. Items left at a minimum, but for the rest you have to pay. The point is that the rich will learn, and the children of mere mortals will degrade.
          Quote: alicante11
          And do not blame GDP for all troubles.

          There is such a thing as a power vertical. Take an interest in leisure.
          Quote: alicante11
          He just plays by the rules of capitalism, which the older generation chose at the end of the 80's and the beginning of the 90's.

          Have you seriously written this? Who chose? A gang of scumbags who were given a bottle of vodka in 93! We had to transfer them with tanks.
          Quote: alicante11
          And now, when the American dream has turned its back, you start to groan that it’s hard to live and blame the GDP.

          Thank God that my conscience for the collapse of the USSR and the events in 93 do not bite me. I was then 11 and 13 years respectively.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 21 August 2013 06: 44 New
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    The guys from the power systems have huge losses due to theft (which citizens have to make) and effective management, which spat on the line of 10 kV and below, as a result of which they collapse at an accelerated pace. And all this disgrace is compensated from our pocket with you.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 06: 58 New
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      Quote: Dimy4
      The guys from the power systems have huge losses due to theft

      And the cost of energy includes corporate parties, purchases of luxury cars, business trips, vacations, employee bonuses, repairs of all kinds of offices, etc. and so on
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 21 August 2013 07: 31 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And the price of energy includes corporate parties, purchases of luxury cars, business trips, vacations, bonuses

        Sasha hi! The lion's share of the cost of electricity falls on its transit, this is 36,5%, the cost of electricity itself depends on where it is generated, such as a thermal power plant, nuclear power plant, hydroelectric power station and is 35,8%, add here system and commercial services operator, VAT. The author, to put it mildly, “sets fire” to a cost price of 17 kopecks. per kWh, this price of generated electric energy at hydroelectric power plants, approximately 2000-2002. The highest price of kWh generated at a TPP, 70% of electric energy in the Russian Federation is generated precisely by a TPP, where gas is burned as fuel, and the cost of the latter is reflected in the final price of electricity. So where and whose legs and ears I think is not necessary to explain. As for the so-called "social norm", let the government start itself, only for exceeding, set a separate tariff for them at a rate of half the salary.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 08: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Tersky
          The lion's share of the cost of electricity falls on its transit, it is 36,5%

          Hi Vitya! I frankly do not care what prices consist of, I recall Putin’s question about which banana we have so expensive gasoline for. It’s all idle talk to anyone. I know one thing that there shouldn’t be such lawlessness, but how they do it is not my problem .
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 14: 51 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            we have such expensive gasoline

            Yesterday, I discussed the topic of gas prices and electricity tariffs with Norway.
            Summary.
            Gasoline in Norway is at least 2,5 times more expensive.
            But with the electricity tariffs there was a "problem" - both in Norway and in Russia, the final costs were the same.
            The average income and standard of living were not the same.
            Where to go to the poor peasant ...?
        2. Hon
          Hon 21 August 2013 09: 48 New
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          The worst thing is not raising tariffs for citizens, but increasing energy costs for enterprises, in which case our production becomes not competitive
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 21 New
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          Quote: Tersky
          The highest price of kWh generated at a CHPP, 70% of electric energy in the Russian Federation is generated precisely by a CHPP, where gas is burned as fuel, and the cost of the latter is precisely reflected in the final price of electricity.

          Well yes! We do not have our own gas. He belongs to the oligarchs! wassat
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 21 August 2013 15: 51 New
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            Isn’t that so? And who dried it all up? Is it not the people?
      2. Tartary
        Tartary 21 August 2013 12: 21 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Dimy4
        The guys from the power systems have huge losses due to theft

        And the cost of energy includes corporate parties, purchases of luxury cars, business trips, vacations, employee bonuses, repairs of all kinds of offices, etc. and so on


        From very (!) Reliable sources (the level of the chief accountant of the city networks) I know that managers have very large salaries, transcendental ...
        That senior management meetings are held every month at the equatorial resorts with the delivery of all this “barefoot” along with their offspring and their moms, nannies, masseuses for folders and stewards for moms, etc. at the expense of the budget of OJSC "..........." - each city has its own ...)))
        Gorvodokanal - the same crap.

        About how!

        And you say GDP, government, housing and communal services ...

        Our fathers and grandfathers worked in different industries, but somehow contributed by their labor to the development of the USSR’s energy sector, which corresponded to the GOELRO plan.

        For vouchers (candy wrappers), all this went to all JSCs and CJSCs, but whoever ultimately steers is covered in darkness, plus the gangster housing and communal services created ...

        Ah, loose nation, do not pay taxes to the treasury? Do you have cars in every family? Summer cottages? Cottages and just houses? Love potatoes with cucumbers / tomatoes / eggplant from the beds, kulubnik ??))))
        Here you have muddy structures for your life, that they would not forget that there is a master and that is not the one who wishes you a Happy New Year ...
        Ah ha ha ha ha ha ... (respectively, aha ha - in a creepy afterlife voice)
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 21 August 2013 07: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: Dimy4
      The guys from the power systems have huge losses due to theft (which citizens have to make) and effective management, which spat on the line of 10 kV and below, as a result of which they collapse at an accelerated pace. And all this disgrace is compensated from our pocket with you.

      Plus for understanding one of the reasons, but for fun, google the percentage of losses in industrialized regions and regions where there is practically no industry. The worst one is Dagestan, 40% of the electric energy supplied to the network, the lowest indicator in the Krasnoyarsk Territory is 8,9%. Dmitry, hi
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 August 2013 06: 47 New
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            1. nycsson
              nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 27 New
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              Greetings to Yarosvet. hi There is something to ponder! what
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
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                Quote: nycsson
                There is something to ponder!
                Welcome.

                Actually, there’s nothing to think about - according to UN and ILO standards, about 70% of the population in Russia is below the poverty line, and the existing neoliberal system is increasingly acquiring the features of classical feudalism.
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 21 August 2013 18: 02 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Actually, there’s nothing to think about - according to UN and ILO standards, about 70% of the population in Russia is below the poverty line, and the existing neoliberal system is increasingly acquiring the features of classical feudalism.

                  I agree. Not for the first time spread:
                  The country under the "stationary bandit"
                  All that the authorities want to know about society is how much money is needed to pay off the poor and how to make them vote for themselves.
                  07.08.2012
                  http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/53867.html
                  Here just the other day, Alfred Koch, a very subtle author, better known for his "sale of Russia", made a very accurate Facebook entry, deserving of a complete listing:
                  "There is such a (rather well-known) concept of the state, which is called" the state as a stationary bandit. " The meaning of this concept is that the state is a certain gang that seizes power over a certain people living in a certain territory. Once a gang discovers that it cannot expand its possessions: other gangs interfere. Then the gang begins to exploit "its" people. Very soon, she realizes that if she exploits the people too harshly, then the people either begin to die out or rise. A certain reasonable measure of exploitation is established experimentally, when a gang takes away only that part of the added value that leaves the people enough funds for expanded reproduction. In these conditions, both the gang and the people get richer. Thus, the gang turns into rational power. For a long time I could not understand why our gang is so ignorantly cynical about the people? First of all, to those who produce this very added value. And it only cares about those who somehow sit on the redistribution of the added product, and not on its production. And then it dawned on me: for the government, which chose as a concept for the development of the country almost exclusively the sale of raw materials extracted from its bowels, the population of this country is superfluous. It is not an entity producing value added, as it would be if we chose an alternative concept, which consists in development due to the growth of value added. In the selected raw materials concept, the population goes under the item “costs”, or, as it is now fashionable to say, “bones”. A rational businessman cuts the "cost". We interfere with our gang. She barely tolerates us. In reality, she needs only 2 — 3 million people who are engaged in the extraction and delivery of commodities to the markets. And in place of the rest, they would prefer to have either disenfranchised migrant workers, or state employees and pensioners directly dependent on them. If you look at the behavior of our gang power from this angle, then it turns out to be quite rational, and its current behavior towards us is almost the top of humanity and tolerance. "
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 21 August 2013 19: 01 New
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                    Quote: nycsson
                    And then it dawned on me


                    But Koch then turns out to be slow-witted laughing

                    Thatcher said: "Russians should be reduced to 15 million people serving wells and mines" - adjusted for modern technologies, this is about 3 million.
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 21 August 2013 19: 37 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Thatcher said:

                      According to the picture. I agree with everything that is written there. All this is from the field of control theory. According to control theory, the effectiveness of management depends on the chosen goal or on another target vector. If you do not know the goal, then it seems that it is not effective, but in fact it is still how effective. I remind all forum users that according to management theory, the general goal (in another way) of any state is the reproduction of the population, i.e. the government must govern the state in such a way that mortality is at least equal to the birth rate.
                      So, if you look from the position of state and municipal government, then our government is not effective, and if we assume that their goal is to reduce the population of the Russian Federation, then they are simply super professionals! hi
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 22 August 2013 00: 33 New
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                        Quote: nycsson
                        By picture
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                        Yarosvet 22 August 2013 00: 35 New
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                    3. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 22 August 2013 00: 36 New
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                      But this goes
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 08: 33 New
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          And what are the two Russia in the picture? That someone wanted to divide the country.
  • consul
    consul 21 August 2013 16: 36 New
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    In connection with these data, the Confession of the Superman is recalled (it was published in the newspapers Evening Kiev and the Free Word in 1991), a little from it:

    "Our time is returning. Yes, it never left us. It has always been and will be ours. As there has always been good and evil on earth. But we always seem bigger because we are stronger and more aggressive than good and it is impossible to defeat us. We will change shape and shell, we will change signs and colors, we will adapt to any conditions, but we will survive and win. Our goal is to be winners. Your fate is to always be slaves, forever and ever.
    We managed to instill in you the genes of slavery forever.
    We will give you thousands more revolutions and perestroika, you will have an eternal struggle for justice, but you will never get it.
    I will speak in plain text with you not because I am impudent, but because I do not know fear. Behind me is a gigantic indestructible force. The CPSU, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Trade, the government, the prosecutor’s office and all sorts of Supreme Soviets are just levers in our hands. Presidents dance to our tune and do our will, do what we want. We do not care deeply how many MPs will be radicals - at least millions. The top will always be ours! You can take cottages, privileges, cars, etc. from us, but power is NEVER!
    We do not care deeply about the opinion of the people, it is an empty phrase for us. For we create this opinion ourselves. Let at least hundreds of referenda be held. The main thing is that our opinion is performed by the people.
    We will respond powerfully and cruelly to any of your speeches. For us, it’s time to spit - to destroy products, plants, ecology, publicity, art, etc. For us, it’s time to spit to bring you hunger, sabotage, poverty, ruin, disease ... "

    Source: http://censor.net.ua/f514392 (full text), I read it for the first time in 1994 (the book "Russia before the Second Coming)" and since then has not been surprised at anything happening in our Fatherland.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 21 August 2013 06: 49 New
    +5
    I have been saying in my circles for a long time - Our leadership, officials, should be put on the budget salary and minimum pensions, even if they pay utility bills and expenses for their personal transport from them, or transfer to public!
    Maybe then they will see our roads and evaluate the rates with the quality of service. I believe that only in this way can they be brought closer to common problems!
    1. lotar
      lotar 21 August 2013 07: 40 New
      +8
      They have been sitting on a budgetary salary for a long time, only as such, this budgetary salary is not very interesting to them, although it is higher than the average monthly income of an average person. They are most interested in kickbacks and banal theft, which are already crossing the line of reason. Recently shown in the program "Man and the Law "one of the officials on road construction, so in his garage they found about 140 million rubles in bags. And how many more such officials, I think there are already not only thousands, but tens of thousands.
    2. Hon
      Hon 21 August 2013 09: 57 New
      +8
      Member of the State Duma Committee on Budget and Taxes, member of United Russia, Raisa Karmazina, proposed that deputies be increased to ministerial salaries during the discussion of the State Duma budget estimates for the current year. This was reported March 15 by RIA Novosti.

      “I’ve been here for the tenth year in the Duma, and for these ten years only in 2007 from October 1 they increased by 8 percent, to the level of inflation, wages of deputies, and last year by 6 percent, by the level of inflation. I’m interested in when, finally, we will receive a salary such as that of the ministers, because we have the rank of minister. Look at the declarations of ministers, see the declarations of deputies on wages, "Karmazina said.

      The budget estimates of the State Duma this year amounted to 7,14 billion rubles, which is 0,3 billion rubles, or 4 percent more than the level of expenditures of the State Duma in 2012. 3,7 billion rubles will go to the salaries of State Duma deputies and their assistants, and 1,8 billion rubles to transport services.

      Earlier it became known that employees of the presidential administration and the government doubled wages. Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov explained the increase in the monetization of benefits.
    3. optimist
      optimist 21 August 2013 11: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Starover_Z
      We need our leadership, officials, and all without exception put on a budgetary salary

      No, dear ... All of them, led by a putler put on a count !!! And in the worst case, to jail ...
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 21 August 2013 15: 31 New
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        Quote: optimist
        Quote: Starover_Z
        We need our leadership, officials, and all without exception put on a budgetary salary

        No, dear ... All of them, led by a putler put on a count !!! And in the worst case, to jail ...

        Turn on the adequacy, "Optimist" ... Where is it taking you ??

        Do you hate Putin? Write correctly or kill yourself on the wall quietly, why the hell do you poke your yad here? Here you are not "swampy" - do not confuse the pedals.
      2. fedorru
        fedorru 21 August 2013 22: 15 New
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        Well, put everyone on a stake, and then what. Other people will come and tell you that if you want a lot of money you need to work hard and hard. And you will be like that poor fellow with a pickaxe in the picture above. And the inscription will be "but we will put everyone on the count. "
  • Sewer
    Sewer 21 August 2013 06: 52 New
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    The rise in prices of tariffs and everything else, + I read the same about water, like Garrin , says only that no one is going to deal with problems in the state! And even more, there are more and more of them! There are power grabbers, I’m just sure that I will live to see this and not have to wait long, they will introduce a tax on the air, everything’s coming to this! They tell us that we supply so much all the raw materials to Europe and the world, but only to the people, it’s on the side of it all, it doesn’t feel like anything to us, except with new tariffs, because hillock, they no longer feel the measure and are not afraid! I listened to Putin before, now it’s gone,hollow shell he’s the real one! Yes, you can write that he can’t keep track of everything, but forgive me: why do we need such a leader then? And don’t ask anyone then because I don’t know, but that doesn’t mean that there is no replacement, you have to endure this shiver ! In general, they rob us and rob us, but most of them don’t even understand, because they hung so much on TV with our ears, **** with any one, and with our eyes that they don’t see and don’t hear!
  • mogus
    mogus 21 August 2013 06: 56 New
    +3
    We also have an experiment with norms - keeping fit, if family, is not realistic.
    If three, then 130 kW: 43,3 kW per person per month; 1,44 kW per person per day at a reduced price ...
  • Normal
    Normal 21 August 2013 06: 58 New
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    We are waiting for pro-commentators to appear. Probably read it; "But they have ... in the west ... and in general; everyone who is against GDP is LGBT!"

    Who is online from the Krasnoyarsk Territory? Your opinion on what is written in the article is most valuable.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      Who is online from the Krasnoyarsk Territory?

      Greetings from Krasnodar! hi
      Quote: Normal
      Your opinion on what is written in the article is most valuable.

      And why is that? Do we have others?
      1. Normal
        Normal 22 August 2013 01: 38 New
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        And why is that? Do we have others?

        No, kW are the same. But the Krasnoyarsk Territory is already operating on an experimental basis "consumption rate". So I wanted to know if people fit into this norm or not?

        Hello Kranodar Territory Greetings near Moscow! drinks
  • krasin
    krasin 21 August 2013 07: 00 New
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    Life has become good, life has become more fun, the neck has become thinner, but longer.
    Thanks to Chubais, I pulled the energy into parts And each part draws money, ask friends of the electricians who are sitting on the networks, -30-50t. Rubles for earnings and this is a simple electrician on duty at the substation, on the maintenance of networks. From all this the kilowatt cost comes together
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 21 August 2013 07: 02 New
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    And what about the tariffs? It is necessary to fulfill at least one promise - that’s the growth of GDP and they stimulate it, all the more so since it’s good to get enough of such stimulation.
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 21 August 2013 07: 02 New
    +6
    Mitrokhin, it’s exactly the opposite, our dear oligarchs do not strive to establish a dictatorship, but to banal robbery of the people. Putin, as a protege of the oligarchy, only voices the interests of the real masters of the country. The “comrades” are on the right path, the revolutionary situation is ripening and how everything will come around. We will see. It is a pity that we do not have a passionate political movement that would defend national interests, but when the lower classes do not want to, when there is the necessary soil, order, then a leading, organizing force that puts forward political demands can be formed.
  • slaventi
    slaventi 21 August 2013 07: 06 New
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    “The crooks who appropriated the electric power industry due to Chubais privatization are moving to a new stage of robbing the people,

    at the professional forum of Russian energy traders, the idea was once again voiced that, despite the reform of RAO UES carried out under the "strict guidance" of A. Chubais, there was no competition in the industry. Four years ago, in the November issue of Golden Lion magazine (No. 173- 174), which positioned itself as the publication of Russian conservative thought, an adversary of the Chubais reform of RAO UES, a former deputy minister of energy of Russia, doctor of technical sciences, professor Viktor Kudryavy published an article “Electricity of the Russian Federation in comparison with experience The USSR and the West. "

    In his thoughts, Professor Kudryavy proceeded from the fact that the Soviet electric power industry, “unlike the energy complexes of other countries, had not had system failures for more than half a century, which testified to the unprecedented stability of the entire energy supply system.”

    Victor Kudryavy, with academic punctuality, without political commitment, proved that the reform of RAO UES initiated by Chubais would fail. First of all, systemic reforms errors will be manifested in an increase in accident rate and in a drop in generating capacities.

    We are reaping the fruits of energy reform under the leadership of Chubais.
    Maybe electricity prices will begin to decline when Chubais and his ilk are put on an electric chair.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 21 August 2013 09: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: slaventi
      Maybe electricity prices will begin to decline when Chubais and his ilk are put on an electric chair.

      And better - on the count.
      1. psv910
        psv910 21 August 2013 10: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: slaventi
        Maybe electricity prices will begin to decline when Chubais and his ilk are put on an electric chair.

        And better - on the count.

        Does that mean saving electricity?
        1. Normal
          Normal 21 August 2013 10: 21 New
          13
          Quote: slaventi
          Maybe electricity prices will begin to decline when Chubais and his ilk are put on an electric chair.

          Quote: Nagan
          And better - on the count.

          Quote: psv910
          Does that mean saving electricity?


          In this case, we will not save electricity. On the contrary, I’m ready to pay the triple tariff to connect the stake to the power grid and the energy consumption am
          1. psv910
            psv910 21 August 2013 10: 41 New
            +8
            Quote: Normal
            In this case, we will not save electricity. On the contrary, I’m ready to pay the triple tariff to connect the stake to the power grid and the energy consumption

            I remembered out of place can:
            Ivanovsky soldering iron factory won the tender for the supply of lie detectors yes
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 14: 53 New
            +8
            Quote: Normal
            I’m ready to pay three times the tariff for connecting the stake to the mains and power consumption

            Maybe better on wood? - I have it - I will deliver it for free ... laughing
  • almost demobil
    almost demobil 21 August 2013 07: 13 New
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Give a link

    I also read this info yesterday. The maternity capital program is calculated until 2016. Didn't you know? hi Me not. And after this period, the Ministry of Finance proposes to cover the shop, and send the money to help poor families. On this they intend to help out about 1 trillion rubles.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 08: 37 New
      0
      Quote: almost demob
      I also read this info yesterday

      This is a project, but they won’t do it before the elections. What will happen next I don’t know
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 21 August 2013 07: 25 New
    +2
    Electricity is sold to China at "wholesale prices", more precisely 1 kW costs them 1 rub. 35 kopecks On the issue of establishing totalitarianism, a financial and economic dictatorship has already been established. The working class is the slaves who are hanging on their neck and legs more and more tax and credit weights. Middle class, as it were. Because small and medium-sized businesses are developing weakly.
    But there is a way out - to move to another state, where the government has not lost its scent and protects mutually beneficial relations with its citizens. But are there any? Where management does not lose its head from greed.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 21 August 2013 15: 57 New
      -1
      To Cuba and the DPRK.
  • aud13
    aud13 21 August 2013 07: 35 New
    +8
    Where do feet rise from electricity prices
    02.05.2012
    The Chinese are paying less for our electricity than we are. Why do we have such high electricity prices?


    Price success

    You will laugh, but the Chinese pay less for our electricity than we do. For example, in 2010, China bought it at a price of 1 ruble 25 kopecks per 1 kWh. And the inhabitants of Blagoveshchensk - 1 ruble 95 kopecks. “Buying electricity from Russia is profitable only at low prices; if prices are high, it makes no sense, ”said Zhang Guobao, head of the State Energy Administration of China.

    “In the Amur Region, the tariff is 5 rubles 9 kopecks per kilowatt hour. At the same time, electricity is supplied to China through the region at a price of 1 ruble 32 kopecks. We subsidize the Chinese economy, we are developing it instead of making our tariffs competitive, ”said Boris Titov, chairman of Business Russia.

    In the past two years, state-regulated electricity tariffs have increased by an average of 40 percent. And only this year the government decided to postpone another price increase from January 1 to July 1. At the same time, the Ministry of Economic Development proposes to increase them by no more than 11 percent. But in 2013, growth should reach another 7-10 percent, and in 2014 - 9-11 percent. Not as small as it might seem initially. However, the power engineers have a different point of view on this score.

    “Of course, it is unpleasant that for the first half of the year we will live in conditions of frozen tariffs and many companies will incur losses. This has already affected and will still affect the value of shares in energy companies, ”said Vasily Zubakin, deputy chief of the energy department of OAO“ LUKOIL ”last December. At one time, he was a member of the board of RAO UES of Russia and was one of the authors of the reform of the electric power industry. In it, in fact, the roots of the problem should be sought.

    More than a year ago, during a meeting of the Presidium of the State Council on Electricity, President Dmitry Medvedev said that if the pace of growth in electricity prices continued, then it could go so far that "building your own generation will be more profitable than buying energy from the network."

    The average price of a kilowatt hour today is 2 rubles 50 kopecks. These are the same 8 cents as in the USA. Meanwhile, as economic science says, any comparison of domestic prices for goods and services in different countries should not be based on the current national currency rate, but on purchasing power parity (PPP). “If you compare the prices of medicines in Russia and in Europe, then you can use the Central Bank rate. Because 80 percent of the medicines in our pharmacies are imported. The situation with the electric power industry is different, ”explains Bulat Nigmatulin, First Deputy Director General of the Institute for the Problems of Natural Monopolies. Electricity is produced at Russian power plants using domestic equipment and domestic energy carriers. So a more correct calculation shows that its cost for our consumers back in 2010 became higher than for American ones. Then the PPP of the ruble against the dollar was 16 rubles for the "green". Today, we pay three times more Americans for light and two times more Germans. What can we say about industry. The situation is such that further price increases threaten to undermine the competitiveness of the entire economy. And the question for whom new power plants are being built is far from idle. According to Igor Nikolaev, Director of the FBK Strategic Analysis Department, the situation in the electric power industry is a serious strategic challenge. The fact is that, according to economists, an increase in tariffs by one percent, ceteris paribus, leads to a reduction in industrial production by an average of 0,1-0,18 percent.
  • Hort
    Hort 21 August 2013 07: 59 New
    +6
    Of course, we can say that our government is different and the people are different. In Russia, the people will not go anywhere, because the government will still not go anywhere. Or, on the contrary, the government will not leave because the people will not leave?
    og, as history shows, our government does not leave, but then runs away. Or bury it
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 21 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +2
    They will steal electricity even more. our people are inventive. And if they press, I myself will take part in this. And where to go.
  • kkenkkk
    kkenkkk 21 August 2013 09: 16 New
    -1
    people yesterday found a service for checking fines in the traffic police by the state number of the car, otherwise I had a bit more fines than I thought. By the way, there they can be appealed, I was canceled two fines :). You can check your fines yourself, here is the site - http://redir.ec/mvdbaz
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  • Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 21 August 2013 09: 34 New
    12
    GDP, as always, does exactly the opposite, to what it said, i.e. lying! Moreover, in public! While he is PR in Snowden and Syria, officials, assigned to him, rob the already not rich people and distribute money to the already not poor bureaucrats.
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  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 21 August 2013 10: 57 New
    12
    We have been living in this experiment for four years already, (Vlad.obl.) 50 kW per person, it’s only the older one who is registered but doesn’t live that’s why we fit in 250 but not always, although the price difference is not big at the rate of 3,78 per kW over five rubles, and this Kremlin talker speaks of some kind of production development, what the hell development if there isn’t enough energy, social norms are introduced like in the Second World War ... Although it seems to me this is another tricky Putin move, he said not to increase by more than 15% and the daughters need bucks, so they came up with a tricky move, with such a development of electrical appliances it will be profitable, surely. And the bucks will be cut down and the hero is a popular hero.
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 21 August 2013 11: 08 New
    +2
    In fact, the issue with tariffs is not so straightforward.
    The Chinese are buying in bulk, in terms of voltage, I think no lower than 110 kV, and maybe more.
    Minimum transportation costs, no losses, decent amounts, and therefore the price is appropriate.
    An ordinary Chinese man pays significantly more for his electricity consumption.
    Domestic pricing has a rather complicated mechanism, and both federal and regional authorities have leverage over it. Another thing is that power engineers, united in large holdings, can push their interest at all levels. Sales companies of production capacities earn the most, you don’t need to maintain anything, no costs, I bought it for cheaper, I sold it for more. The second most profitable network companies for the transmission of high-voltage electric energy. The third generation. In last place are network companies for the transmission of an average low voltage level of 6-10kV and 0,4kV, they have the highest costs for maintaining networks, for organizing connections, metering and control.
    The reform conceived by Anatoly Borisovich was to create competition.
    Generation companies were created, or rather torn out of the common system, which theoretically should have competed and offered the marketing companies to buy their energy at a cheaper price.
    Energy sales companies were created that, having bought at a competitive price from generation, should theoretically fight for a client between many others and offer him a competitive, current price. Moreover, two network companies standing between the power plant and the consumer, one transmitting high voltage, the other medium and low , remained the same as always, no competition between the wires is present. The lion's share of the costs falls on them, or rather, on the second. The three main components of the tariff, generation, networks, sales of them, t only the first and the last can be adjusted by competition. The reform theory was as follows. What we have in reality, the regional division of grid generation and distribution remains the same as before the reform, as a result, the local thermal power station, hydroelectric station, nuclear power plant very toughly competes with itself and sells for clear to her prices, the energy of a sales company in her region, which at the highest possible prices sold through regional and federal regulators, sells electricity to consumers. Network companies get a share, but for solid tanovlenii regions of the federal center tarifam.Dazhe failing to reduce energy procurement costs in generation, giving a fixed part of the network, the marketing company as a monopolist in the region will not fall in price below it convenient slozhivsheysya.S gasoline at gas stations the situation is similar.
    1. military
      military 21 August 2013 13: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: 787nkx
      the sales company, as a monopolist in the region, will not fall in price below its convenient price.

      in the context of this, it is absolutely clear that the theses on the transition to energy-saving technologies, including on LED-lighting, etc., - banal wiring of ordinary people ...
      laying out the loot for the "prospective" savings, you simply can’t have time to enjoy its fruits ... because, no regional marketer can obviously prevent a decrease in cash turnover in the private energy sector, as a result of the introduction of such "innovations" ... and will promptly respond to such “saving” by rising consumer tariffs ... winked
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 21 August 2013 11: 17 New
    +3
    crept unnoticed ... first social. the norm in the regions ..... how they say they can withstand or not ....... withstand .... well, that means you can all over Russia ..
    .ofiget ..... and even street lighting will turn on ...... damn Our Government is definitely led by someone else .... who obviously lives not in Russia ......
    Long live our Russian Government!
    In one ancient Scripture .... there were lines that the whole civilized world would come back with a sekha ..... it seems that everything is starting to come true .....
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 21 August 2013 11: 45 New
    +2
    What are our authorities nafig patriots? They only dress up in patriotic pain. In fact, the real LIBERALS.
    1. military
      military 21 August 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      In fact, the real LIBERALS.

      LIBERALS ... LIBERASTS ... **** Rasta ... request
    2. alexmaneger
      alexmaneger 21 August 2013 16: 17 New
      +1
      Patriotism, the last refuge for villains.
      1. loisop
        loisop 21 August 2013 20: 24 New
        0
        When quoting, please use them in the same context as the author of the saying. And then the meaning often changes to the opposite. Well, the author of the quote is usually indicated.
  • Luger
    Luger 21 August 2013 11: 46 New
    +3
    And what are you all making a noise of, wondering where such high prices come from? Yes, all of us, people on the planet Earth, have developed a syndrome in excess of consumption, and in order to satisfy this excess consumption, more and more money is required, this leads to higher prices for anything and everything in order to get the maximum profit. Can gasoline cost less? can! why not worth it? Yes, because profit is needed in order to satisfy the appetites of owners of gas stations, shareholders of oil companies (by the way, for the most part, individuals). Consumption norms are needed, but not for a simple layman, but for those who have an overwhelming consumer syndrome.
  • saag
    saag 21 August 2013 11: 58 New
    +2
    This is such a way of introducing energy-saving technologies to the masses so that people turn up their ingenuity, as was the case under the Union, and do not expect anything from the state, as a result of which there may be a movement towards the resettlement of people from high-rise buildings to individual housing with their own well, a solar water heater a collector (as I read an article about China, so there is such construction from the state with such options in the database) well, and it is possible with alternative (solar) electricity, something like this in my opinion. We have already encountered this - with the power consumption norm, personally, my "answer to Chamberlain" was the installation of a two-tariff meter and the offset of all energy-consuming at night :-)
    1. military
      military 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: saag
      personally, my "answer to Chamberlain" was the installation of a two-rate meter and the offset of all energy-consuming at night :-)

      well yes... repeat all that’s left is to switch to a nocturnal lifestyle ... like bats to mice ...
      1. matross
        matross 21 August 2013 17: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: military
        all that’s left is to switch to a nightlife

        No, another option is to throw the washer-dishwasher-microwave and the river on the wastes. Cooking on bonfires in the yard ... in short, "back to the future" wassat Feudalism is just around the corner, and there we will return to the caves, without any nuclear winter ... regression and degradation - these are the slogans of the 21st century!
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 21 August 2013 17: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: military
        well, yes ... feel it’s only left to switch to a nocturnal lifestyle ... like bats to mice ...

        It's only the beginning! lol
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 August 2013 11: 58 New
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    It’s not even interesting, there is not a single comment from admirers of GDP, no one convinces us that everything is right, that this is the way of development of the Russian economy, stabilization, in general, everything for the people. Yes, and even advised to work harder for the prosperity of monopolists and oligarchs.
    1. military
      military 21 August 2013 16: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It’s not even interesting, there is not a single comment from admirers of GDP, no one convinces us that everything is right, that this is the way of development of the Russian economy, stabilization, in general, everything for the people.

      don’t flatter yourself ... right now you’ll finish your meditation and catch up in the evening ... wink
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 17: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It’s not even interesting, there is not a single comment from admirers of GDP, no one convinces us that everything is right, that this is the way of development of the Russian economy, stabilization, in general, everything for the people. Yes, and even advised to work harder for the prosperity of monopolists and oligarchs.

      Yeah! Where have Urzul, Serge and Co. gone? Boring without them! Probably fired! They can’t cope with duties! wassat
  • saag
    saag 21 August 2013 12: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    no one convinces us that everything is right, that this is the path of development of the Russian economy, stabilization, in general, everything for the people

    You can’t wait for this, because the current system is not oriented, like all capitalism, to a specific person, as the name implies, to increase capital. To get the expected result, in my opinion it is necessary to build socialism again, only in the new edition
  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 August 2013 12: 13 New
    +5
    Everything will grow, and tariffs and gas and gasoline and taxes, otherwise they will not feed this gang and they want to eat, but you won’t give much to Abramovich and Deripasak. state corporations by pilins divided from there can not be taken holy. but the people strangle crush reptiles and then bred like cockroaches. this is the thing. on a ruble from the soul of the population. This is what money.
  • schta
    schta 21 August 2013 13: 00 New
    +2
    merchants. Whose kilowatts? - RAO UES. and whose RAO UES? - Chubais. Whose chubais?
    hence the legs grow.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 August 2013 16: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: schta
      Whose chubais?
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 21 August 2013 13: 02 New
    +3
    In Russia, the people will not go anywhere, because the government will still not go anywhere. Or, on the contrary, the government will not leave because the people will not leave?

    or the third option: the government will not leave because it does not have time, but the people will come out and have time, having accepted the coming 17th year as a symbol))).
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 21 August 2013 13: 08 New
    +4
    When Bakiyev raised the tariff for energy efficiency by 5 times, gas by 2 times, travel by transport by 2 times, payment from each connection by cell phone to 2 soms, introduced a real estate tax - the people of the Kyrgyz Republic and American manasa-airport dared it patrons were forced to evacuate him to Belarus through Kazakhstan. Strange huh?
    The authorities in each country should think before worsening the living conditions of ordinary people. That they too are mortal. We would cut off Bakiyev’s head and take off his skin and gut, but the European people saved the failed millionaire. By the way, his son took refuge in England. His father transferred all the capital of the country to his private bank.
  • military
    military 21 August 2013 13: 18 New
    +5
    Quote: Normal
    Of course, Putin will save us all and will not allow the arbitrariness of the "occupation power"

    "save" ... once again "save" ... rest a bit - and the third, control "salvation" ...
  • atalef
    atalef 21 August 2013 13: 19 New
    +5
    What kind of standards are so funny, 70 kW per month? With my average consumption of 1500 kW per month, it seems like for 2 days, more precisely for one and half a night. By the way, we have pensioners and poorly protected segments of the population receive 200 kW per month at half the cost.
    1. military
      military 21 August 2013 13: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: atalef
      our pensioners and poorly protected segments of the population receive 200 kW per month at half the cost.

      for your powers that be, both of them are PEOPLE ... for ours - B * DLO ... hence the whole difference ... request
    2. Tartary
      Tartary 21 August 2013 15: 44 New
      -6
      Quote: atalef
      What kind of standards are so funny, 70 kW per month? With my average consumption of 1500 kW per month, it seems like for 2 days, more precisely for one and half a night. By the way, we have pensioners and poorly protected segments of the population receive 200 kW per month at half the cost.


      So you like Americans live at the expense of the rest of the world's population ... Why wonder or envy ??
      Do not boast, it’s a very frank mockery.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 21 August 2013 18: 35 New
        -6
        Ugagaga ...
        Yes, at least get angry, Jews!

        This once again proves your invisible presence not only here ...
        And at the same time about extreme inferiority due to resentment for the truth.

        Better put shit in your mouth and spit on me than silently press the buttons with tears of resentment ...

        Damn, "d" la ...
        1. rsnv
          rsnv 21 August 2013 18: 49 New
          +5
          You are very excited, take the pill and calm down, and leave the innovative fecal advice to yourself, why disclose your know-how
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 21 August 2013 19: 18 New
            -3
            Quote: rsnv
            You are very excited, take the pill and calm down, and leave the innovative fecal advice to yourself, why disclose your know-how

            You are very persistent and careless in your conclusions. In fact, I am calm, like a boa constrictor ...)))
            In addition, you overestimate the value of your advice and underestimate the complexity of the path that I can tell you ...)))
            As for the know-how, I will assume that your ignorance of such a simple childish mockery positions you as a very young unrecognizable goy from the slums of the suburb of Yerusalim ... And the fact that you were born in the USSR does not mean anything ...
            In other words, from the USSR: - you are very small and too stupid, you have not seen large "mushrooms" ...)))

            Do not intervene if you are not sure that you can "take out" the dialogue ...

            However, it is obvious that you are here with a set of letters and numbers - darkness, then shit ...
            1. rsnv
              rsnv 21 August 2013 23: 52 New
              +3
              Sorry, I won’t. I don’t see the point in the dialogue with you, since it’s better not to touch you, like the subject from the “simple childish mockery,” mistakenly accepted as your know-how ...
        2. michajlo
          michajlo 22 August 2013 00: 06 New
          +3
          Good evening, dear Stavr, or how to call you by name?

          It would be possible for you to express your deep thoughts and attitude towards others in the correct form? negative

          After all, all participants here exchange their thoughts, experiences, opinions, fears or joys.
          So far this is the site of the Military Review and NOT_ "the forecourt buffet"!

          It’s interesting, but would you be just as brave and illegible in expressions if you spoke them in person to your interlocutor?
          hi
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 22 August 2013 15: 35 New
            -1
            Quote: michajlo
            Would it be possible for you to express your deep thoughts and attitude towards others in the correct form?

            If I break the rules of the site, then please be kind enough to click on the button and moderators will judge us ...
            If it turns out that I’m not violating, then go out with your advice, please ...)))
            Quote: michajlo
            After all, all participants here exchange their thoughts, experiences, opinions, fears or joys.
            So far this is the site of the Military Review and NOT_ "the forecourt buffet"!

            You can compare your communication with anyone the way you want ...
            But do not forget that here everything happens not as you want only ...
            Quote: michajlo
            It’s interesting, but would you be just as brave and illegible in expressions if you spoke them in person to your interlocutor?

            For several years on the site, I heard this more than once ...
            I don’t know where those have gone, who often asked the same stupid questions, my dear ...)))
            Quote: rsnv
            Sorry, I won’t. I don’t see the point in the dialogue with you, since it’s better not to touch you, like the subject from the “simple childish mockery,” mistakenly accepted as your know-how ...

            And I’m here precisely for the purpose of "touching" such types of people for the tsundra ...
            Bear with it, if the vocabulary does not allow you to oppose within the rules ...
            And, of course - good luck in your aspirations, I won’t wish you ... Don’t be angry.)))
  • lilit.193
    lilit.193 21 August 2013 13: 35 New
    +3
    Hey alla, up there you still can’t get drunk?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 21 August 2013 13: 47 New
    +3
    All these norms, a complete madhouse of course. But why is everyone talking about 70 kW. 70 is the lower limit of the norm, while the norms themselves, according to the plan, should be established by the regions within 70-150 kW.
    Chubais, during the privatization of RAOES, said that there would be competition and prices would go down ... Maybe it's time to ask for the bazaar ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 21 August 2013 14: 24 New
      +4
      In no country in the world where generating facilities and distribution networks were privatized did prices drop, they only rose, and this can be said about Germany, England or the States. Therefore, Chubais lied and the most interesting thing was that he knew that he was lying and everyone knew. He didn’t make any decisions, but people always hawl
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 21 August 2013 14: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        and people as always

        Well, there is nothing to cry. Especially those who voted for him and did not go to the polls. am
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 21 August 2013 16: 42 New
          0
          And what was the alternative during some kind of election?
          1. military
            military 21 August 2013 17: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: alicante11
            And what was the alternative during some kind of election?

            But what kind of "stability" can there be an alternative? ...
            "Ole-ee !!! Ole-ole-ole-eee! ..."
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 21 August 2013 17: 49 New
              +5
              Quote: military
              But what kind of "stability" can there be an alternative? ...
              "Ole-ee !!! Ole-ole-ole-eee! ..."

              Hi colleague! laughing I am laughing! laughing
              1. military
                military 22 August 2013 09: 29 New
                0
                Quote: nycsson
                Hi colleague! I am laughing!

                hi Mutually! drinks
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 21 August 2013 17: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: alicante11
            And what was the alternative during some kind of election?

            Perhaps it was. If all the priests raised and came to the polls.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 14: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        In no country in the world where the privatization of generating capacities and distribution networks took place did prices drop, they only rise

        Accurate!
        Vaughn, the Bulgarians have finally fallen into "sediment" ...
  • PureGUN
    PureGUN 21 August 2013 14: 26 New
    0
    "The farther, the weirder and weirder ..."
  • PureGUN
    PureGUN 21 August 2013 14: 27 New
    +4
    I don’t hold weapons at home, but I regularly water the garden with gun oil!
  • No_more
    No_more 21 August 2013 15: 27 New
    +9
    Yes, they’re just not letting anyone into this market. So you tried to build a small production (say a bakery) in a microdistrict, put a mini CHPP on universal fuel (gas, coal, wooden sticks, etc.) and sell excess electricity, and God forbid, and heat, to the residents of the nearest block. Immediately they will offer you something better not to get in the way of official suppliers (monopolists), and then they will either cover you through the controlling bodies, or unofficially burn the production or unscrew your head.
    That's all, you need to switch houses to autonomy, put mini-thermal power plants on several large houses and there you already look at what it is more profitable to generate electricity and heat, you really can’t get off the water, the water channel in a large city is a gold-bearing river.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 August 2013 16: 00 New
    +9
    In short, the carcass of the light !!!
  • Constantine
    Constantine 21 August 2013 17: 33 New
    +2
    Most likely, we are witnesses of an attempt for the second time to make a coup in the country, but only this time, in order to prevent the fiasco of 2011-2012, we decided to use all available potential. They poured money into Navalny, his topic is constantly twisted about and without through all channels, now they don’t let Serdyuk plant him, along with dissatisfaction is growing. Then it remains only to correctly send it. I hope that the second time they break off the same way as the first time. Otherwise, the case will smell completely different kerosene sad
    1. v53993
      v53993 21 August 2013 17: 37 New
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      So far, we will not hang Redhead by the eggs on the power line and will continue. And his example will be another science.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 21 August 2013 17: 53 New
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        Quote: v53993
        So far, we will not hang Redhead by the eggs on the power line and will continue. And his example will be another science.


        He’s not the only one there. They have a whole army there.
        1. v53993
          v53993 21 August 2013 18: 59 New
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          We have a lot of power transmission poles across Russia, enough for all the "friends" of the people.
        2. military
          military 22 August 2013 09: 31 New
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          Quote: Constantine
          He’s not the only one there. They have a whole army there.

          read, they simply must hang a garland ...
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 August 2013 17: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Constantine
      Most likely, we are witnesses of an attempt for the second time to make a coup in the country, but only this time, in order to prevent the 2011-2012 debacle, we decided to use all available potential.

      I have long been saying that the real power in our country does not belong to him. hi
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  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 21 August 2013 17: 59 New
    +5
    Everything is very simple. If the working people are not able to organize parties and trade unions independent of the bourgeois authorities that protect them, they are also unable to simply organize a strike or a protest, then from the point of view of the bourgeoisie such people can and should be robbed.
    For it’s not even citizens, but a “population”
    Well, for those especially stupid, the authorities will always tell a fairy tale about "patriotism", "good king", "rising from their knees" and the election of authorities in the "elections".
  • komendor
    komendor 21 August 2013 20: 01 New
    -2
    Hello. You can grumble at me, but it’s getting cheaper for me and my loved ones.
    I will explain you consider the money for the costs of electric energy, gasoline, gas separately. I consider the whole amount
    which I spend the total. Here are a couple of examples. On gasoline, the amount per month we began to spend even less after updating the car. on a modern economical but not smaller than the past. The houses are equipped with a dishwasher. washing machine, water heater. Yes, electric power began to be spent more, but there was a huge saving on water, it began to pay on all counters, and savings began as much as 1000 rubles. Things have fallen in price, although they may just have begun to buy not expensive products, too, if you want, you can not believe it, but with us you can buy products much cheaper, not delicacies of course.
    Last year, Dad spent the gas in the house, they took a loan, so in the winter season we spent 20-25 thousand rubles on wood for heating. Now in the winter season we spend 5 thousand rubles. And gas is not only warm but also light, we have a gas generator and + cooking, and the stove has been demolished. The wife began to save money for such savings that she almost never had one. You can scold but the state teaches us to save. Now I will change the batteries in the apartment and put the heat meters, I thought even cheaper I will pay for the hut.
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 21 August 2013 21: 02 New
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      I am sincerely happy for you
    2. Luger
      Luger 21 August 2013 21: 05 New
      +3
      You probably have not savings, but good earnings from the sale of water, light, gas, heat meters;)
    3. military
      military 22 August 2013 09: 37 New
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      Quote: komendor
      And gas is not only warm but also light

      and "... a rabbit is not only valuable fur ..." laughing hi
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 21 August 2013 20: 53 New
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  • yur
    yur 21 August 2013 21: 23 New
    +2
    I don’t understand what. Electricity seems to be the same product as cars, clothes, food, housing, computers, the Internet. And the more we buy \ spend \, the better for the economy. Why does the government make us save only electricity (only an epic with light bulbs which worth). I had a strong suspicion that their main bear was shocked by a shock in childhood and he was very offended by it.
  • baku1999
    baku1999 21 August 2013 21: 51 New
    +1
    yeah, 70 kilowatts EVERYTHING IS EDRIOUS AND ALSO WITH THOSE WHO OFFERED IT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET'S SAVE LIFE, LIGHT AND THE OTHER REST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hi
  • Very old
    Very old 21 August 2013 22: 12 New
    -1
    Sergey Ryazanov, I didn’t even read your article. How we are tired of this idiocy. Do not remind. No offense. Accept and so on ...