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Mystery INS Sindhurakshak

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Why security systems on the submarine, which recently underwent a deep modernization in Russia, did not work


The explosion and flooding of the most powerful Indian submarine of the type Kilo Sindhurakshak ("Marine Guard") 14 August 2013, one of the most serious disasters in stories Indian fleet over the past three decades. She dealt a serious blow to his combat capabilities.

Indian experts have no doubt that the topic of this catastrophe will in one way or another be touched upon during the meeting of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the margins of the G20 summit in St. Petersburg in September. At the same time, the nature of the discussion of this issue depends on the results of the official investigation. Through various channels, Moscow declared its readiness to assist in the search for the causes of the catastrophe and offered any assistance that India might need in conducting an independent investigation.

Mystery INS SindhurakshakThe return of the diesel-electric submarines of the 877ECM Sindhurakshak project of the Indian Navy with sea trials at ZS-Zvezdochka OJSC

Photo: Vladimir Kovpak


Chief of Staff of the Indian Navy, Admiral Devendra Kumar Joshi, designated a four-week preliminary deadline to identify the causes of the explosion of a fully armed submarine (SP) preparing to go on patrol in the area allocated to it. But it will depend on how quickly divers can lift the bent hull of a submarine. At the same time, he rejected the original versions of the disaster, which were explained by the explosion of charged batteries due to hydrogen leakage. A similar incident in 2010 year caused a relatively small fire, during which one sailor died and two were injured (after that the boat was sent to rehabilitate and modernize the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk).

Admiral Joshi stated that no batteries were charged during the explosion. The version of the attack was also not completely rejected, but there are no credible evidence in its favor except for the fact that the explosion occurred on Pakistan’s Independence Day and on the eve of India’s Independence Day, when additional security measures were taken throughout the country.

At the same time, he acknowledged that security systems did not work on a boat fully charged with ammunition, and she lay nose down at a depth of eight meters. Experts ask a reasonable question: why the security systems on the submarine, which recently underwent a deep modernization in Russia for the amount twice as large as its purchase price, did not work, leading to the death of the submariners 18 and boat sinking? This is a question not only to the Indian Navy, which has the second largest fleet of diesel-electric submarines 877ECM in the world after the Russian, but also to the developers from Rubin Central Design Bureau and engineers of the Zvezdochka plant, who specialize in upgrading Kilo-type submarines.

Earlier in the modernization program of submarines of this type already had failures. For example, the Indian fleet refused to take the Sindhuvijay boat after the Club-S missile system of key importance failed test shooting six times in a row at the Barents Sea test site in September - November 2007.

However, the tragedy of Sindhurakshak, delivered by Asterisk in January 2013, occurred after it was admitted by the fleet to 2013 in April, while, according to sources, no comments were found in the fleet.

The tragedy posed serious challenges to India’s naval capabilities. There are questions about the long overdue plans for replacing an aging submarine fleet. Indian media asks: Is the fate of the MiG-21 fighter fleet of the Indian Air Force waiting for the aging fleet of Indian submarines? The light Tejas (LCA) combat aircraft, which has been under development for 30 years, should have replaced the outdated MiG-21 as early as the 90, but it still needs at least two more years for these aircraft to become fully usable.

The fleet also had to introduce 12 new diesel-electric submarines into its structure by last year and ten more were to follow them in the period from 2012 to 2030. It was a 30-year submarine construction program approved by the Indian Cabinet of Ministers Security Committee in 1999. But so far, the fleet has not received any of the 24 planned submarines. Now he must continue to perform his tasks with only 13 aging non-nuclear submarines, of which 11 are older than 20 years. The Economic Times newspaper notes that these delays occur against the background of a systematic increase in the combat capabilities of the submarines of China and Pakistan, and the Chinese fleet has more than 55 submarines.

To remedy the situation, in addition to speeding up the project for the construction of Scorpene submarines suffering from constant delays, India must take on the modernization and improvement of its older non-nuclear submarines. Naval experts clearly draw a line between "new" and "modern" submarines. “New” does not always mean “modern”, modernized Kilo-type submarines are more “modern” and powerful than when they were “new” 20 years ago.

In our opinion, in the current situation, India should seriously reconsider the requirements for the development of its fleet, based on the current strategic scenario, which dictates the need for an urgent deployment of a reliable marine component of the Indian nuclear triad. The Indian fleet is obliged to ensure a stable presence in two oceans - the Indian and the Pacific, in order to guarantee the safety of sea communications and ensure reliable nuclear deterrence of China and Pakistan.

To do this, we must focus on a decisive turn from conventional submarines to building up the combat capabilities of the nuclear submarine fleet. After joining the club of selected countries capable of building nuclear submarines, India should follow the example of these great powers, which mainly use nuclear submarines. Russia supports a fleet of non-nuclear Kilo submarines, comparable in size to the Indian submarine, to perform combat missions in the Baltic and Black Seas. At the same time, nuclear submarines are the basis of the combat capabilities of its submarine fleet in the oceans.

Cooperation with Russia laid the foundations for India to acquire the capabilities for the combat use of nuclear submarines. The Russian role in the successful implementation of the secret project of the Advanced Technology Vehicle (ATV) demonstrator, aimed at creating an Indian nuclear submarine, is now well known after the introduction of the nuclear submarine Arihant into the fleet. But few probably know that Prime Minister Indira Gandhi started the ATV project shortly after the war for the liberation of Bangladesh in 1971. She was impressed with the power of nuclear submarines, when the appearance of a single Soviet submarine in front of the US aircraft carrier Enterprise in the Bay of Bengal changed the entire course of the war and led to the defeat of the Pakistani army in East Pakistan (now independent Bangladesh).

Today, India has the resources, expertise and geopolitical ambitions, as well as the reasons forcing it to increase the combat capabilities of the nuclear submarine fleet. This may be another direction of deepening Russian-Indian cooperation in the field of modern defense technologies.

Although lately, India-Russia relations have been negatively affected by delays and a significant excess of the previously agreed restructuring price for the Indian fleet of the INS carrier Vikramaditya, Russia remains the largest supplier of military equipment for India.

According to sources in the Ministry of Defense of India, the Indo-Russian military-technical cooperation is like an iceberg, with only the top visible. The rest is covered with a veil of secrecy that will be lifted when the time comes.
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 August 2013 15: 26 New
    +3
    I was very pleased with the end of the article: "The rest is covered with a veil of secrecy, which will be lifted when the time comes."

    Usyo is understandable. As another classic said, "It's a pity, but neither me nor you will have to live in this wonderful time."

    PS
    - Vladimir Vladimirovich, so what happened to the Kursk submarine after all?
    - She drowned.
    1. Civil
      Civil 21 August 2013 15: 59 New
      +2
      when the appearance of one Soviet nuclear submarine in front of the American aircraft carrier Enterprise in the Bay of Bengal changed the whole course of the war and led to the defeat of the Pakistani army in East Pakistan (now independent Bangladesh).

      and detail?
      1. Retx
        Retx 21 August 2013 17: 27 New
        +7
        http://alerozin.narod.ru/indi.htm
        By the way, many Indians still remember this step of the USSR.
        VS Kruglyakov recalled: “Attache A. Popov told me later that when the American formation led by the Enterprise appeared near India, the Indian Defense Minister asked him to contact the USSR Defense Minister and expressed concern about the presence of the Americans. A. A. Grechko immediately invited the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy. He told about the forces and actions on the map. After that, Grechko conveyed to the Minister of Defense of India through our attaché Popov: "Enterprise" is our business, and let the Indians do theirs "... This, of course, was then a great support for India. The consequences of such a noble step towards us were very favorable for us. Our authority in India has grown enormously. "
      2. old man54
        old man54 21 August 2013 17: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        when the appearance of one Soviet nuclear submarine in front of the American aircraft carrier Enterprise in the Bay of Bengal changed the whole course of the war and led to the defeat of the Pakistani army in East Pakistan (now independent Bangladesh).

        and detail?

        in fact, not only one nuclear submarine was there, but several, only one surfaced for demonstration, and the others were slightly indicated to themselves, periodically, maneuvering the guarding warrant equipment on the echolocation visibility line. And there were also boats of pr. 675 (with anti-ship missiles P-6).
        1. AK-47
          AK-47 21 August 2013 19: 12 New
          11
          Quote: Civil
          and detail?

          ... across from the American aircraft carrier group was thrown the Soviet "roaring cow" K-10 - an atomic submarine with cruise missiles of the first generation. ... The situation was complicated by the lack of accurate target designation: the coordinates of the target transmitted to the boat were outdated by the day. A storm was raging over the Pacific Ocean and there was no way to clarify the position of AUG. The boat had problems in the turbine compartment - K-10 could not support full speed for longer than 36 hours. And yet, it was decided to go ... In the South China Sea, Soviet sailors were waiting for the unsurpassed Enterprise, an atomic super-aircraft carrier with 80 aircraft on board, accompanied by nuclear missile cruisers Long Beach, Bainbridge, and Trakstan. Captain Nikolai Ivanov led his nuclear submarine in complete ignorance of what awaits them at the calculated point of intersection ... K-10 was helped by a chance - a hundred miles before the supposed point of rendezvous of the submarine’s electronic reconnaissance system, desperate negotiations of the Americans — the cruiser commanders destroyers continuously reported to the flagship how the tropical typhoon Diana was tearing and mutilating their ships. On the surface, 10-meter waves are raging, even here, at a depth, the powerful breath of the ocean was felt. Ivanov realized: this is their chance! The 115-meter steel "Pike" boldly rushed to the target, focusing on the sounds of the sonar of American ships. AUG reduces speed to 6 knots! - it means that the boat will not have to develop high speed, therefore, its noise will decrease. Moving on six knots, the Soviet "roaring cow" will become undetectable for anti-submarine defense means of the AUG. You can not be afraid of anti-submarine aviation - not a single aircraft can rise from the deck of the Enterprise in such weather. They completed the task. As if mocking a super-aircraft carrier, Soviet sailors sailed under its bottom for 13 hours. If there was an order for annihilation, the “roaring cow” could point-blank shoot the aircraft carrier and its escort, and then disappear as suddenly as it had appeared.
          1. Kapdva
            Kapdva 22 August 2013 12: 09 New
            0
            A colleague, you describe the events of BS 68. Here is the link http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/nsrs/675/k10/k10.htm From January 70 to December 71, the K-10 was under repair . Most likely it was a boat with a different number. And the K-10 became famous for having sunk the Chinese submarine pr.629 with the entire engineering and design team, the developers of Chinese BRs. They still can not come to their senses because of this.
    2. sub307
      sub307 21 August 2013 19: 13 New
      +1
      And the phrase refers to the Indian-Russian military-technical cooperation as a whole, and not the incident with the submarine Sindurakshak.
  2. aksakal
    aksakal 21 August 2013 15: 29 New
    +4
    However, the tragedy of Sindhurakshak, set by the Asterisk in January 2013, occurred after it was allowed by the fleet to perform military service in April 2013, while, according to sources, no comments were found in the fleet - Let's hope that now it will not, including. and for this disaster
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 21 August 2013 21: 33 New
      -1
      Technique in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron.
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 22 August 2013 00: 50 New
        +1
        You tell it to your Americans. India alone outshines all the achievements of the North American states.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 August 2013 00: 57 New
          +3
          I did not drink with YOU, and I am not going to. And therefore I ask you not to poke.

          But in fact - they managed to sink the boat.
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson 22 August 2013 15: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            I did not drink with YOU, and I am not going to. And therefore I ask you not to poke.

            And here we have not a club of mannered girls, in a simple way, between normal men it is normal to communicate with poking, this has been accepted in Russia since ancient times, even to the Tsars you turned to you. It was the Western fagots who introduced this idiotic fashion and called this epidemic "etiquette". You should not be offended by my "you".

            Quote: Nagan
            But in fact - they managed to sink the boat.

            no one argues, I wrote in opposition to the statement about "savages". There are Indians I know, so the guys speak 2-3 languages ​​and a doctoral degree. Texas cowboys also bring down expensive weapons, but savages too?)
            Does logic tear patterns?
      2. solomon
        solomon 22 August 2013 12: 36 New
        +2
        Hindus are not savages. They are one of the oldest civilizations on the planet, and even now they do not live yesterday.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 August 2013 15: 34 New
    +5
    Indian-Russian military-technical cooperation is like an iceberg, with only the peak visible. The rest is covered in a veil of secrecy that will be raised when the time comes.
    That's right. India is a mysterious country. Re-equipment is in full swing and is not particularly advertised ..
    1. yurii p
      yurii p 21 August 2013 19: 43 New
      +1
      which is understandable in the light of events in the Middle East.
  4. eplewke
    eplewke 21 August 2013 15: 39 New
    +2
    Crooked-handed Indians. They drained the boat. and don’t sin on the Russians ...
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 22 August 2013 03: 41 New
      +1
      Hi, The article is normal. There are no tricks in our madhouse. I had a chance to meet with the sailors of this country and it’s strange for me to read what they write here. Normal qualified guys are also proud of their affiliation with submariners. to find out, You can’t disdain this people and any other people in particular, I have always been hated by such dashing conclusions, Accidents happen on all fleets of the world, And it’s bad if they lead to human casualties, Maybe there was a human factor there like they like to say now, A maybe a failure of some system, Everything can be, I think that cooperation will continue and we will witness this more than once,
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 August 2013 15: 42 New
    +4
    and the title of the article is directly from the repertoire of ren-tv
    1. ksan
      ksan 21 August 2013 23: 01 New
      +1
      Exactly laughing Horror caught up, and where, what, why? I hope our guilt does not show up there hi
  6. Vtel
    Vtel 21 August 2013 15: 43 New
    +3
    Admiral Joshi stated that the batteries were not charged during the explosion.

    Otkeda he knows this interestingly, because during the explosion nothing can be seen. Even to the bottom of the mystery, covered by m..om, like our supposedly drowned "Kursk". Eternal memory to submariners!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 21 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +2
      "... the batteries were not charged." - the sailor reported to Admiral Joshi a second before the explosion
      1. old man54
        old man54 21 August 2013 17: 34 New
        +4
        in fact, when charging the battery from the shore, using cables and the shore power supply network, among other things, special transformers and other stabilizing equipment are used. Or do you naively think that stupidly "plugged the plug into the 220-volt outlet" and that's it, "charge", right? lol And the terrier, as you think, on the shore, did the base support team know if the battery was being charged at the moment or not? Port services controlled the operation of ground equipment, or what? And, accordingly, the naval command knows that charging at the time of the explosion was carried out or not? hi
        1. yurii p
          yurii p 21 August 2013 19: 46 New
          +1
          no, they think they’re putting out a windmill.
  7. starhina01
    starhina01 21 August 2013 16: 29 New
    +4
    FELLOWS INDIANS AGAIN THAT PUSHED wink AND LOOK FOR THE EXTREME request BUT RELATIONS WITH THEM IS NOT LOSE hi
  8. StrateG
    StrateG 21 August 2013 16: 36 New
    10
    I think it was a professional diversion, with the goal of spoiling the relations between the two countries.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 21 August 2013 16: 49 New
      +1
      Rather, another gouging, which is now used for this.
      In the investigation, now you can write any reason - it is almost impossible to verify.
      1. sub307
        sub307 21 August 2013 20: 01 New
        +4
        Yes, an article by Mr. Vinay Shukla (a Hindu or something?) Leaves a "strange feeling". Something "clings" to it: "... the most powerful Indian submarine of the Kilo Sindhurakshak type" - so also the "most powerful", no more powerful - is that true? But what about our own development - SSBN type "Arihant", by the way? Well, and the rented nuclear submarine of project 971 "Schuka-B"? Are they "least powerful" in the author's terminology? Some kind of garbage.

        Further - more: "Experts (experts poorly identified?) ask a well-grounded question: why did the security systems on the submarine, which recently underwent a deep modernization in Russia for an amount twice as much as its purchase price, did not work, leading to the death of 18 submariners and the sinking of the boat? This is a question not only to the Indian Navy, which has the second largest fleet of diesel-electric submarines 877EKM in the world after the Russian, but also to the developers from the Rubin Central Design Bureau and the Zvezdochka plant engineers who specialize in upgrading the Kilo-class submarines. " That's just a counter question - why the hell to ask your questions after going through a slow "epic" with modernization, subsequent tests and a successful "washed" transfer to the "reliable" hands of our Indian friends. Questions to the mentioned organizations can look only in the form requests for ASSISTANCE in the investigation of the sad story that happened in the location of the Indian military unit with the participation of exclusively Indian service personnel.
        And it is not necessary, Mr. like you, but ... Vinay Shukla - "thick hints of subtle circumstances."
        And more "At the same time, he admitted that the safety systems did not work on the boat ..." What kind of SYSTEMS are these specifically? From a "specific Indian fool", or what?
        1. sub307
          sub307 21 August 2013 22: 45 New
          +3
          And one more thing: how Mr. Vinay Shukla will react to this (but, by the way, the aforementioned "specific Indian fools" suddenly appeared) information: "By the way, another version about the explosion of the Sindurakshak submarine:" Private contractors, many of whom were low-skilled workers involved in work on warships in the Indian port of Mumbai, where the Sindurakshak submarine sank on August 14, reports India Today.
          According to a former shipyard employee, "unskilled workers are given access to high-tech weapons," which threatens the safety and technical health of Indian ships. Many military technicians from the port of Mumbai have protested more than once against the attraction of private owners to work with warships, but so far the state has not paid attention to this. According to the Indian military, after the incident with the Sindurakshak submarine, the government will refuse to attract private workers to carry out technical work on the ships.
          Earlier it was reported that the cause of the submarine crash could be a human factor. According to Russian experts, the explosion at Sindurakshak could have been caused by non-observance of safety measures by the workers serving the submarine. "
          So who should you have questions to? What the heck of a "security system" for these "goblins" to come up with? The limbs must be amputated with a crooked janissary sword.
    2. old man54
      old man54 21 August 2013 17: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: StrateG
      I think it was a professional diversion, with the goal of spoiling the relations between the two countries.

      You "+" from my colleague! Not only to spoil relations, this is about 50%, but also far from "not a subtle hint" of India itself ...
      In this regard, there is a high probability that India will not agree on the conclusions reached by its commission. And the fact that they all understand correctly will not have to doubt, but they are suckers! It may well be, like GDP with K-141, which will make some other version of the catastrophe well-known, because politicians do not like to openly admit such things, because people will begin to demand retaliation.
  9. rudolff
    rudolff 21 August 2013 16: 44 New
    +5
    The batteries are not charged on the PL spontaneously, in an arbitrary form "on occasion" by turning on the toggle switch. At sea by order of the commander or his substitute at the GKP with a note in the logbook. In this case, this is an event to prepare the spacecraft for the BS and is carried out in accordance with the approved plan.
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 21 August 2013 17: 23 New
      +3
      I agree one hundred percent, in addition, with a hydrogen explosion, the hull of the submarine would remain intact, fire, but the boat would not drown.
    2. old man54
      old man54 21 August 2013 17: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      The batteries are not charged on the PL spontaneously, in an arbitrary form "on occasion" by turning on the toggle switch.

      Quote: rudolff
      In this case, this is an event to prepare the ship for BS and is carried out in accordance with the approved plan.

      "+" and again "+" Rudolph! hi drinks
    3. Dimy4
      Dimy4 21 August 2013 20: 15 New
      0
      This is with us. And they sang a song, they danced and howl ... recharge the batteries.
  10. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 21 August 2013 16: 54 New
    +1
    I also tend to think about sabotage. It will be interesting when it turns out that Chinese rockets exploded. On a Russian boat. In short, a hint to cooperate with the United States.
  11. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 21 August 2013 17: 03 New
    +1
    The rest is covered in a veil of secrecy that will be raised when the time comes.


    Where else would you turn a hole until the veil is lifted ?!
  12. falcon
    falcon 21 August 2013 17: 06 New
    +1
    The human factor (crew fatigue), as the cause of the accident, the Indians will be denied until
    the latter, for obvious reasons. Surprisingly different. They have that, self-preservation instinct
    completely lost to introduce nuclear submarines into the fleet?
    1. old man54
      old man54 21 August 2013 17: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: falcon
      They have that, the self-preservation instinct is completely lost in order to introduce atomic submarines into the fleet

      this is the objective reality of the geopolitical situation in the Asia-Pacific promising theater of operations. They really have no choice!
    2. zart_arn
      zart_arn 21 August 2013 18: 52 New
      0
      Quote: falcon
      Surprisingly different. They have that, self-preservation instinct
      completely lost to introduce nuclear submarines into the fleet?

      The Varshavyanka diesel engine exploded.
  13. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 21 August 2013 17: 23 New
    +9
    @@@@@ The slang term “chipization” used to be widespread in recent years. This process is understood as the universal implantation of miniature electronic devices - chips - for a variety of purposes. @@@@@
    And Suddenly .... AND DO NOT PROOF !!!!!!

    “Revelation” of John the Theologian about the Antichrist: “And he will do that for all, small and great, rich and poor, free and slaves, a mark will be laid on their right hand or on their forehead, and he will make it impossible for anyone to neither buy nor sell, except for the one who has this mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. " However, the evil intentions of the “chip makers”, of course, have not been proven. Therefore, they propose to consider their intentions good.


    Have you noticed a strange pattern: mostly missiles (and not only protons) fall with military and communications satellites and communications? All others are launched almost seamlessly.

    This pattern does not fit into the framework of statistics. And if we assume that the fall of the missiles is not only the result of wrecking inside the Russian Space Agency. Another reason is also possible: sabotage by the United States using bookmarks in communications and electronic control. Here the War of the Future is lost yesterday.

    Meanwhile, with government money, our agencies are buying American spy equipment, which is being installed throughout the country. It is hard to see that in the event of a conflict escalating through the so-called remote access, our adversary will be given a command to completely block all computer networks in Russia. Or their work in the "glitch" mode, which is even worse. The last American war against Iraq happened just like that. First, the entire control system in the country was turned off, including air defense, and only then the invasion began.

    Our state commissions for the investigation of proton accidents with communication and navigation satellites in every possible way circumvent the topic of the US sabotage war against Russia using electronics sold to Russia (wars with the help of pinpoint strikes on the new communication and navigation satellites) because the members of these commissions themselves are considerable kickbacks forced and bought in the interests of our geopolitical enemy just such equipment, stuffed with bookmarks. And for kickbacks, which are much more generous than with simple economic lobbying. For it is not only economics. Here is the introduction of American electronic weapons in the control system of the armed forces of the enemy. For this you can and should pay well, regardless of profitability and payback. Which apparently was done.

    Without the total cleansing of our near-war and near-space establishment, the fact of aiding the enemy for money will never be recognized as old accomplices of saboteurs.

    That is why they invite priests to cover launches in order to ward off the threat of exposure with God's help.

    http://bulochnikov.livejournal.com/1097492.html
    1. DPN
      DPN 21 August 2013 23: 40 New
      +1
      I fully support, before there was a debriefing as a result of a reward or ..., and now millions are in your pocket and life in the states. With their satellites, our missiles have not yet fallen, why?
  14. niecke
    niecke 21 August 2013 17: 24 New
    0
    and what is weak to voice the truth ??? ENEMIES AND TRAITORS at all levels of power, DO NOT COUNT !!! In the union, the KGB was engaged in this trash ... and now it’s completely MACHO, and not a single honest person !!!
  15. individual
    individual 21 August 2013 17: 40 New
    +2
    Quote:
    "According to sources in the Indian Ministry of Defense, the Indo-Russian military-technical cooperation is like an iceberg, with only the top visible. The rest is covered with a veil of secrecy that will be lifted when the time comes."

    India has a prominent place in the Asia-Pacific Region and has visible and not very strategic support for Russia in Korean-Sino-Japanese relations.
  16. StrateG
    StrateG 21 August 2013 18: 27 New
    +4
    old man54
    You "+" from my colleague! Not only to spoil relations, this is about 50%, but also far from "not a subtle hint" of India itself ...
    In this regard, there is a high probability that India will not agree on the conclusions reached by its commission. And the fact that they all understand correctly will not have to doubt, but they are suckers! It may well be, like GDP with K-141, which will make some other version of the catastrophe well-known, because politicians do not like to openly admit such things, because people will begin to demand retaliation.


    Thank you hi By the way, it is not surprising that our specialists are not allowed there - at first they want to hide the traces of sabotage, and the explosion due to negligence is only a preliminary version, nevertheless passed off as the main one. In general, I "wang" a conspiracy against Russia, and most likely you-know-who are to blame for this.
  17. Siberian
    Siberian 21 August 2013 18: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Stiletto
    I was very pleased with the end of the article: "The rest is covered with a veil of secrecy that will be lifted when the time comes. "

    Usyo is understandable. As another classic said, "It's a pity, but neither me nor you will have to live in this wonderful time."

    PS
    - Vladimir Vladimirovich, so what happened to the Kursk submarine after all?
    - She drowned.
    The veil of secrecy; what was needed on time (necessary maintenance and replacement). And the paperwork was probably written off. They have corruption there ... no less than ours, and then they are looking for a switchman.
  18. Siberian
    Siberian 21 August 2013 18: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: niecke
    and what is weak to voice the truth ??? ENEMIES AND TRAITORS at all levels of power, DO NOT COUNT !!! In the union, the KGB was engaged in this trash ... and now it’s completely MACHO, and not a single honest person !!!
    Do not think that there are only scoundrels and scoundrels around. Great people are everywhere. Although they were trash too, no matter how hard you fight this minus, they always crawl out. As the saying goes, "The world is not without freaks."
  19. rudolff
    rudolff 21 August 2013 18: 53 New
    +5
    I do not consider particularly curved or stupid Indian sailors. The fleet of diesel-electric submarines is quite comparable with the current Russian one and they have been operating them for more than a dozen years. There is operational experience and nuclear pl.
    The rise of the boat will show how the situation in Mumbai developed. Whether it was an explosion on board or a fire preceded the explosion. The latest version is supported by the testimony of an Indian who heard a sound similar to the operation of a jet engine before the explosion. A similar sound could well be due to volumetric ignition inside the compartment with the hatch open, which essentially turns into a "rocket nozzle". Then the question arises why the emergency fire extinguishing system did not work. Or it worked, but turned out to be ineffective, which is quite possible with open hatches (bow, conning tower, torpedo loading). It is possible that the Indians did not dare to connect LOH at all, remembering the accident at the Nerpa / Chakra. However, LOCH would not have helped if the combustion was self-sufficient, with the release of oxygen. For example, ignition of cartridges (plates) of the regeneration system or rocket fuel (see Club-C)
  20. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 21 August 2013 19: 16 New
    +2
    It is alarming that our specialists were not allowed to investigate the accident. they said - then they will provide materials ... smacks of shit ... will they clean and provide? (the fact that our shipments spoil our gesheft p. indosov)
    1. Chukcha
      Chukcha 21 August 2013 21: 29 New
      +1
      Yes, it's strange. What I was told about the Indian military leads to suspicion about the "curvature" of the crew.
  21. voliador
    voliador 21 August 2013 19: 37 New
    +1
    No need to run ahead of the engine. Raise the boat - find out what happened.
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 August 2013 20: 19 New
    +3
    Yes, they won’t blame us ... everything can be right up to sabotage .. Indians are right that everyone secretes .. The submarine fleet loves silence .. And there’s nothing to raise the fuss .. they’ll understand (sorry for the dead ..) They’re military !! civilian casualties were not allowed .. This is the main thing ..
  23. pensioner
    pensioner 21 August 2013 20: 32 New
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    However, the tragedy of Sindhurakshak, staged by the Asterisk in January 2013, occurred after she was allowed by the fleet to perform military service in April 2013, while, according to sources, no comments were found in the fleet.
    Consequently, the responsibility for what happened lies with the fleet and not with the manufacturers. We kind of like that ...
  24. APASUS
    APASUS 21 August 2013 20: 38 New
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    Oh sorry Misantrop does not see! Where are you? Read dear
    At the same time, he rejected the original version of the disaster, which attributed it to the explosion of recharging batteries due to hydrogen leakage. A similar incident in 2010 caused a relatively small fire, during which one sailor died and two were injured (after which the boat was sent for restoration and modernization at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk).
    Admiral Joshi says no batteries were charged during the explosion
  25. DPN
    DPN 21 August 2013 23: 16 New
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    Thank you for the reminder of the POWER of the USSR Navy, which could put the United States in its place.
    But the Indians feel sorry for them, while Russian millionaires are thinking about their pockets, and not about Russia, there will be no good fucking.
  26. DPN
    DPN 21 August 2013 23: 18 New
    +1
    for fucking protection against fornication.
  27. DPN
    DPN 21 August 2013 23: 28 New
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    Quote: Nagan
    Technique in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron.

    WE are Russians more like savages; they managed to ruin the country and drown the Premier League.
  28. StrateG
    StrateG 21 August 2013 23: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: DPN
    Quote: Nagan
    Technique in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron.

    WE are Russians more like savages; they managed to ruin the country and drown the Premier League.


    Let's remember Kursk. And all the sins of Putin at the same time. According to your words, Russia was ruined by the whole country.
    1. old man54
      old man54 22 August 2013 00: 35 New
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      Quote: StrateG
      Quote: DPN
      Quote: Nagan
      Technique in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron.

      WE are Russians more like savages; they managed to ruin the country and drown the Premier League.


      Let's remember Kursk. And all the sins of Putin at the same time. According to your own words,Russia was ruined by the whole country.

      here I do not agree with you, because The USSR top then collapsed the USSR (far from one Humpbacked). And the fault of all of us is that we are stupid, like rats behind the Pied Piper pipe (according to a well-known story). Yes, of course we were deceived, but we ourselves were deceived too!
      And Putin’s sins ... it’s not the time to remember his sins, yet!
  29. shurup
    shurup 22 August 2013 00: 12 New
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    Firefighters among the main causes of fires call smoking drunk in bed, and a wiring failure. The nationality of the builders and the country of the manufacturer of building materials do not cause any complaints.
    In their free time from fires, firefighters usually inspect standard fire extinguishing means, including and automatic.
  30. pensioner
    pensioner 22 August 2013 00: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: shurup
    Firefighters among the main causes of fires call smoking drunk in bed, and a wiring failure

    I remembered. Back in Soviet times, an analysis of accidents in mines was carried out. I remember very well that when we were informed that the main cause of TB was their gross violations: smoking, installing wiring by twisting (especially live), making fires (!!), shutting off gas analyzing equipment, improper fastening, etc. ., we were in touch. That is, the people specifically created conditions for the occurrence of accidents.
  31. waisson
    waisson 22 August 2013 01: 39 New
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    21.08.2013 Russia proposed to supply Indonesia with 10 diesel-electric submarines, Indonesian media reported citing an official source in the Indonesian parliament.

    Mahfudz Siddiq, chairman of the Defense Commission of the House of Representatives of the Indonesian Parliament, said on August 19 that the Russian proposal is "interesting, but requires a comprehensive analysis before a final decision is made."

    According to M. Siddik, the project of Indonesia's purchase of three Chang Bogo submarines from the South Korean company Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME), which were ordered in December 2011, is progressing slowly. This is due to the problems encountered with the transfer of technology by the German company Hovaldswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), which is the developer of the Type-209 nuclear submarine project.

    M. Siddik said that the commission intends, within the framework of cooperation with the Russian Federation, to assess the potential acquisition of Russian-made diesel-electric submarines, but also indicated that the agreement, if a positive decision is made, could be signed after 2014. At the same time, the chairman of the commission praised the Russian submarine and said that "the issue of transferring technologies for building diesel-electric submarines will be of key importance."

    The type of Russian submarine proposed by Indonesia has not been disclosed, however, according to experts, it is most likely that the delivery of diesel-electric submarines of Project 636 of the Kilo class, or Amur, is expected.

    According to Janes Defense Weekly, the proposal of the Russian side is in line with earlier statements made by representatives of the Indonesian Armed Forces command, according to which the Navy is in need of additional submarines in order to ensure reliable protection of the country's exclusive economic zone.

    It should be noted that the cost of such a purchase is estimated at approximately $ 5 billion, and in the current economic situation it is unlikely that Indonesia can afford it, even taking into account the use of off-budget resources. So, in 2013, the total amount of funds that are planned to be spent on the acquisition of weapons is estimated at $ 1,67 billion.

    However, Indonesia has been steadily increasing its defense budget in recent years, and the share of arms purchases in the defense budget is also increasing. According to experts, this trend will continue until the end of the decade.

    Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on August 16 announced plans to increase the defense budget in 2014 by 9% compared with the current year.

    According to Janes Defense Weekly, Indonesia's defense spending will amount to 83,4 trillion rupees ($ 8,05 billion) next year.

    As previously reported by TSAMTO, this year Indonesia's defense budget is about 77 trillion rupees.

    According to Janes' estimates, in 2014, 23% of the defense budget (about $ 1,8 billion) Indonesia will spend on the purchase of military equipment. In 2011, 2012 and 2013. The Ministry of Defense allocated for these purposes, respectively, 14%, 17% and 20% of the total funding of the military department
  32. waisson
    waisson 22 August 2013 01: 40 New
    0
    21.08.2013
    Text: Central Naval Portal
    Photo: reuters.com
    After the sinking of the Sindurakshak submarine by a diesel-electric train, the Indian naval forces will check the weapons security systems on all the country's submarines. This is reported by the Indian media with reference to the statement of Defense Minister Arakaparambil Kurien Anthony.

    Based on the results of the preliminary investigation, according to A.K. Anthony, the Sindurakshak submarine explosions were caused by weapons fire. "The explosion and the subsequent events were instantaneous, 18 crew members could not be evacuated in such a short time. Although not all the details of the incident are known, it can be said with certainty that none of the sailors could have survived, as the explosion was very fast and intense." , - said the minister.

    At about midnight on August 14, three explosions took place on board the Sindurakshak submarine, and a massive fire broke out. The submarine sank at the parking lot, currently only part of it is above the water surface. At the time of the incident, there were 18 sailors on it, all of them, most likely, died - seven bodies have already been found.
  33. waisson
    waisson 22 August 2013 01: 43 New
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    17:52, Wednesday August 21, 2013
    Vice-Admiral Nadela Nirajan Kumar, who signed a contract with Russia for the purchase of the Sindurakshak submarine that burned down in India, came to St. Petersburg for negotiations.

    The head of the Department for the Production and Procurement of Ships, Vice Admiral of the Indian Navy, arrived in St. Petersburg on August 21. Nadela Nirajan Kumar annually comes to Russia with a delegation to agree on the purchase of warships and submarines.

    This year, his scheduled visit was scheduled for August 19. But after the explosion of the Sindurakshak submarine at the base in Mumbai, Kumar first canceled the visit and then postponed it for two days. By the way, the vice admiral himself denies that his arrival is somehow connected with the incident on the submarine that occurred on August 14.

    - We arrived here to work with the government of St. Petersburg. We want to hold negotiations regarding our cooperation with the Russian Ministry of Defense, ”Nadela Nirajan Kumar said. - This has nothing to do with the disaster! Regular annual visit.

    Kumar personally inspects all the points where boats and ships are manufactured for the Indian Navy. Today the Vice Admiral visited the Admiralty Shipyards, where the Sindurakshak was produced. Also, representatives of the Rubin Central Design Bureau came to the shipyard, including the developers and management of the Zvezdochka shipyard, where the boat underwent scheduled repairs and reconstruction from 2010 to April 2013.


    Video filmed by eyewitnesses PE on a submarine

    Recall that in August this year, a fire broke out on the Russian-made Sindurakshak diesel-electric submarine in service with India and the ship began to sink.

    According to the military, there were 18 Indian sailors on the submarine. Most of them managed to escape by jumping from the side of the submarine, the rest with burns were taken to local hospitals.

    In April of this year, the submarine built 16 years ago returned from Russia to India after major repairs and modernization.
  34. jjj
    jjj 22 August 2013 01: 48 New
    +1
    It is not yet known how the "fornication" with the "NATO" boats that they wanted to afford will end for India. There is a complete divorce. The peculiarity of contracts with India is that the Indians want technologies and the possibility of producing a "product" at home. They are failing with our systems, and they want European production models. And they don't want to buy our new boats. We see the result: all programs have already been disrupted.
    The Chinese are doing smarter. They buy in batches. And if the original suits them in their practical application, they clone it. Yes, with incomplete specifications. But that suits them. Moreover, if they copy some thing, then this is really a worthwhile thing. Who understands, he is knocking on contracts to the original manufacturer
  35. scientist
    scientist 22 August 2013 03: 17 New
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    Any military system is crammed with protection like shag, and even more so a submarine. I think the Hindus during the modernization required the installation of some of their weapons systems or systems of third countries, there was a bookmark that worked at the right time. Of course, maybe underwater saboteurs worked, but it is unlikely. Too many coincidences - only accepted after modernization and on the eve of Independence Day.
  36. shinobi
    shinobi 22 August 2013 05: 27 New
    0
    It could very well be that some thread of ammunition pulled. Kursk option. what
  37. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 22 August 2013 06: 43 New
    +1
    We can agree with the statement that the Indian armed forces are a deterrent to the expansion of China and Pakistan, which is beneficial for Russia. But at the same time, the fact that they have their own plans, independent of ours, is silent. Good or bad, time will tell. Initially, the rapprochement with the USSR was dictated by its power, in particular on the seas. Russia has neatly let this power down on the brakes to the deplorable state that we have. The attitude towards everything of ours has also changed. Including from India. The country was destroyed by you and me, having coveted in due time for trinkets, for strategically important resources. Like rats from a sinking ship that rushed to the same USA sin, instead of rolling up their sleeves to transform their country. It was with our tacit consent that the reformers, who flourished especially in the days of the "Ural Nugget", became more active. And now, in pursuit of momentary profit, we ignore the interests of our defense capability, supplying first of all the same submarines to other countries, India, now Indonesia has also loomed and do not think about the consequences at all.
  38. StrateG
    StrateG 22 August 2013 11: 53 New
    0
    here I do not agree with you, because The USSR top then collapsed the USSR (far from one Humpbacked). And the fault of all of us is that we are stupid, like rats behind the Pied Piper pipe (according to a well-known story). Yes, of course we were deceived, but we ourselves were deceived too!
    And Putin’s sins ... it’s not the time to remember his sins, yet!


    Yes top. Only the people were in ignorance, so could not do anything. However, the statement looks as if the whole country stubbornly sought the collapse of the USSR, that is, its own country. But in fact it’s just a coup.
  39. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 22 August 2013 13: 03 New
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    There is no talk about the top, their fault is in disorder, straight! And what about most of us ignorant? They dragged metals from factories, selling them for next to nothing, and opened cables. "Businessmen" chased resources for tinsel, consumer goods, chewing gum, etc. And we bought all this and were pleased with the "abundance of goods." For us, everything was suitable that was not suitable there. And they also said that his close enemies are hiding the true state of affairs from Boris, he does not know ?! and proved it foaming at the mouth. And the "boy from the village of Butka" planted Russia, together with his family, in such a way that it will haunt for a long time ... Formally, we were against the collapse of the country, but really did nothing to save it. Rod, for example, tons of metal from the factory, everyone knows about it and is silent. And what's my hut on the edge ... and so in everything!
    1. StrateG
      StrateG 22 August 2013 17: 46 New
      0
      I think the effect of the witness. No one dared to speak alone, and besides him there were hundreds of millions of the same "Indecisive" all over the country. It's my opinion. And the fact that everyone suddenly joined the collapse is, I think, just an instinct for self-preservation. During the crisis, everyone thought about himself, he had no time for the country, because he had to survive. It was almost impossible to achieve this by legal means, and there were heaps of abandoned things that could be sold around. So they sold it.