Polish company begins licensed production of Ukrainian armored personnel carrier “Dozor-B”

In recent days, several publications have at once posted information about the cooperation between Poland and Ukraine in the field of production of the BBM "Dozor-B" with the wheel formula 4x4. "

In particular, according to Janes Defense Weekly, the Polish company Mista started the licensed production of the Dozor-B armored vehicle in an armored personnel carrier version and is in the final stages of signing a contract for its delivery with the first foreign customer.

The Polish version of Dozor-B will be called Ocilla and will be modified to ensure compliance with NATO standards for ballistic and anti-mine protection. The first prototype was assembled at the end of July using components supplied by the Ukrainian side.

Presumably, Mista and the owner of licensing rights are in the final stages of negotiating a contract for the supply of an initial party of BBM with an unnamed country. The agreement will include options for the additional supply of several dozen armored vehicles. The contract is scheduled to be signed before the end of the year.

The company "Mista" acquired the rights to the licensed production of the BBM "Dozor-B" in 2011 year from an unnamed company from one of the EU countries (obviously, we are talking about the repurchase of rights - note TSAMTO). The Polish company took two years to prepare the production line and purchase the necessary equipment.

Mista plans to manufacture the first five pre-production models of the OCILLA BBM this year, gradually upgrading the basic design by equipping the machine with armor plates and Polish-made equipment complying with NATO standards, as well as driving axles and wheels. At the next stage of development, it is planned to equip the machine with a remote-controlled combat module, which will replace the single-seat tower.

BBM "Dozor-B" developed by the Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau named. A.A. Morozov. The combat weight of the machine in the basic version is 6300 kg. Calculation machines - 11 people, including the crew of three people (driver, commander, gunner) and 8 man landing. For comparison: the modernized BBM “Otsilla” weighs 9 t, it is equipped with a new engine, a hinged booking package, seats, mitigating the effects of a mine explosion, and can be equipped with various weapons.

The prototype should undergo complex tests at the Military Institute of Armored and Automotive Vehicles (Suleiuwek).

Comments

[denson06]

Indeed ... a purely NATO view of the "MiniHammer" .. although there is a glorious plant in Kharkov ... good luck to them and big salaries .. with respect!

[kosmos44]

They themselves do not have a damn yet, and there, sell faster.

[cdrt]

They themselves do not have a damn yet, and there, sell faster.


Well, while in the Crimea the Tatars didn’t start to openly buzz, the lightly mine-protected ZSU armored car is probably not a primary necessity. Then the truth may be late, but oh well.
Well done all the same Ukrainians. And the design school is still alive despite ...
Well done! Salary good Kharkovites, good luck, ideas, good customers!

[domokl]

Gossiping about Ukrainian industry is certainly possible. But for me, if the Ukrainian army can’t buy anything now, it’s stupid to stop the plant and disperse the excellent design team. The machine turned out to be no worse than some kind of Iveco.
By the way, if we take a closer look at our latest developments, we get about the same picture — we sell the most modern models. Our army still does not see most of these weapons. So, single samples. The basis is still old Soviet developments.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: kosmos44

They themselves do not have a damn yet, and there, sell faster.

So what a beauty! Etozh big Ukrainian dream - to get money for something that does not exist

PS: thanks to censorship, and then I’ll hurt Ukrainians, God forbid ...

[Panikovsky]

SW. denson, sadly to say, but now this enterprise is a pale consumptive shadow of the once truly glorious Malyshev Plant.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: denson06

Really ... a purely NATO view ...

Armored constipation, it is strange that it is not developed in Zaporizhia.

[Sergei75]

yes, if only to know then against whom they would be used!

[il grand casino]

Flood: simpotic bibika ...
P.S. Well done Ukrainian brothers

[Vadivak]

Quote: il grand casino

. Well done Ukrainian brothers

I agree, only to hell with Poland? All the same, NATO will not succeed in selling, they will come up with some standards, and Ukraine will sell to unnamed countries without Poles

[APASUS]

Quote: Vadivak

I agree, only to hell with them Poland

Here I am also surprised. If it were Georgia, then everything is OK, but Poland?
I think this is a similar curtsy towards Ukraine, so to speak ........

[mithridate]

well at least something

[Varnaga]

Vague prospects, given the impeccable reputation of the BTR-4, dangling in neutral waters.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Varnaga

Vague prospects, given the impeccable reputation of the BTR-4, dangling in neutral waters.

Therefore, they probably will do it through Poland, the development is apparently not bad (Soviet school), and the modern Ukrainian performance is apparently unsatisfactory ....

[ivshubarin]

Khan to our tiger

[klimpopov]

Why would he have a khan?

[ivshubarin]

Poles will overwhelm the whole world with botsilami

[klimpopov]

So our cars will be enough for our army? Or will we also buy from psheks?

[svp67]

Quote: ivshubarin

Poles will overwhelm the whole world with botsilami

Then our "Tiger" is definitely not in danger ...

[Vtel]

Whatever the child would entertain ...

[demon ada]

where to put 8 assault forces ????

[Apollo]

stock footage in the topic

[ATATA]

Judging by the jumps of the front wheels on the potholes, the weight of the machine is not evenly distributed between the axles. The rear axle is more loaded than the front, and this is not a buzz. Worse handling.
In short, cut it, and also cut it.
I do not think this is a competitor to the TIGER.
Compare how much the TIGER has better distributed loads between the axles.
Very visible in motion.
In short, if THIS is compared with a TIGER, then it is like a VAZ and ZAZ.
Incidentally constipation, the same jumped in front. Apparently, this is an emphasis on the Ukrainian auto industry. (no offense)
IMHO.
Well, the video shows everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgduFtqcjzg
ps To be honest, the article is similar to get along.
I think the Poles would rather take a license for HAMER.

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

then it's like a VAZ and ZAZ.
Incidentally constipation, the same jumped in front.

1. Today ZAZ is a direct competitor to VAZ.
2. As for constipation. Naturally there will be a muzzle up if the engine is in the ass. But the 968th is moving along the wet field - jeeps will envy. But this does not apply to Watch-B. Just observation and practice.

[ATATA]

Quote: Akim

Just observation and practice.

So do you agree with my conclusions of an amateur, or not?

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

So you agree with my amateur conclusions

As an amateur to an amateur. I agree that Dozor-B is jumping. I have a guess. It is based on the cargo-passenger "Dozor-A". Therefore, this kotovasiya happened with weight distribution.

[cdrt]

. Today ZAZ is a direct competitor to VAZ.

9600 cars manufactured by ZAZ against 608000 cars sold by AvtoVAZ - I would only have such competitors

Although the models produced by ZAZ are really direct competitors to VAZovsky's niche in the market

[cdrt]

where to put 8 assault forces ????


There, where to the Tiger.
They have a Soviet school in common with us with its tight layout.
True, then you need to sit in three doom, but ... They consider it in terms of volume :-) and not convenience
On the other hand, as a kind of non-floating BRDM for 4-5 people, it’s just as good as Hammer, for example. Explicitly cheaper and clearly more secure.

[Ulysses]

Thought too.
Are they sitting in two tiers or something?

[fastblast]

that is where

[PSih2097]

I understand that this is a direct competitor to the Humvee and the Tiger ... although I like the second mess (BRDM 2) more.

[bask]

Quote: PSih2097

although the second mess (BRDM 2) I like more.

And I BRDM 1, MTO in the nose, with the modernization and installation of the diesel engine in the 250-300, it was possible to make aft entrance. Strengthen the bottom-mine protection and armored car of the 21st century.

Quote: PSih2097

I understand that this is a direct competitor to the Humvee and the Tiger.

SMP-2 may be, but, Hamer, in the United States and NATO are exchanged for JLTV. And Poland will not go anywhere without orders to purchase, which corresponds to NATO standards.

[Horde]

Hi Andrew.
in what century do I have free time during the day
about the Watch, a shy bastard small, only imported engines will make this toy a little expensive, we must put our YaMZ 5347-10

The engines are multi-fuel, meet the requirements for tightness and provide a vehicle throughput of up to 1,9 mbroda.
Although someone like that.
About the Basque article did not read?

[bask]

Quote: Horde

The engines are multi-fuel, meet the requirements for tightness and provide patency

Hi Pavel. I am on the same last week on vacation, sunbathing at home.
Good engines, but how compact will go into BRBM 1?

Quote: Horde

About the Basque article did not read?

Yes, thanks, I read it. And not only this article. Now in historical science it is completely chaos. Systematizing works are needed. For all eras.

[Horde]

Quote: bask

Hi Pavel. I am on the same last week on vacation, sunbathing at home.
Good engines, but how compact will go into BRBM 1?

you mean your BRDM-1 I don’t know can’t enter, the Tiger on the hood had to build up a hump-pay for power. The RBDM is clearly an amphibian design either from the Germans or from the Amers, so the reservation is good if it’s from 7.62mm, and now the military fashion has changed, to overcome water barriers, as they put it, but everyone was preoccupied with ANTI-MINIMAL PROTECTION. Buyers will face back.

Quote: bask

Yes, thanks, I read it. And not only this article. Now in historical science it is completely chaos. Systematizing works are needed. For all eras.

it’s not even chaos, so it seems, but the FIGHT for our past victories, for our stolen history. There are positive moments, people have begun to understand something.

[bask]

Quote: Horde

7.62mm, and now the military fashion has changed, to overcome water barriers, as they put it, but all the polls are worried about ANTI-UNIQUE PROTECTION. Customers will face back.

The yankers were able to modernize their Commando development of the 60s. And they installed the mine protection, an independent suspension. Neplokhao showed in Afghanistan and there are orders to third countries. How many BDMoks rust in our country to no avail.
Thousands, but could also serve.

[Horde]

Quote: bask

How many BBDMoks in our country rust in vain.
Thousands, but could also serve.

you know if this is intelligence, then a hybrid diesel engine / electric motor + lithium batteries would be better here. Recently, an article on fuel was about how the BTR90 sprout was modernized in this way. There is both fuel economy and autonomy gain, and most importantly for intelligence. MALAYOUS. This is a requirement of today, but who will do it? need an enthusiast and even money ...

[bask]

Quote: Horde

you know if this is intelligence, then a hybrid diesel engine / electric motor + lithium batteries would be better here. , and most importantly for intelligence, LOWEST. This is a requirement of today, but who will do it?

Yes, this is the future not only for BRDM, but also for multipurpose armored vehicles for special forces, airborne forces. Amer make their own JLTV, with hybrid engines and independent suspension. 10-15 cells on the same batteries, this is a task for the bottom TTX, prototypes have been tested for 3 years. In 14 years, serial production, even despite the reduction in the budget of the Pentagon.
We need such armored vehicles in thousands of units, but we don’t have the technology for their production ...

[Horde]

Quote: bask

We need such armored vehicles in thousands of units, but we don’t have the technology for their production ...

he brought his prokhorov to the handle

true all offal, as in the super-super import

the engine will be fiat, the electrician is Japanese, but they write that the GEARS will be domestic from almamater-Tomsk

[cdrt]

But we do not have technologies for their production ...

Even worse - JLTV also should not be expensive. Due to the fact that it is based (including a hybrid drive) on proven commercial developments.
Those. Before us, it’s real for a whole generation (if we consider the Wolf for the next generation relative to the Tiger) to design, develop, and master technologies.
Although - so what? BRDM-2 + normal engine, otherwise a new defense - will be no worse than the German Fenneck!

[bask]

Quote: Horde

true all offal, as in the super-super import

This is the whole point. That soldier’s military cars will not sell. If only France, maybe Germany (as a US) will push. With Opel, they will give a ride. That's where you need to buy a ready-made commercial hybrid car, and start it production with us. And on its basis to make an armored car.

Quote: cdrt

Although - so what? BRDM-2 + normal engine, otherwise a new defense - will be no worse than the German Fenneck!

So I’m talking about this. Considering how many thousand BRDM 2 of them are still there !!!
It’s a pity not so much the BRDM 1, with the front MTO, the input-output in the stern is more convenient and safer for the landing.

[Zhenya]

The tiger is more powerful.
1.In the basic version, the Tiger weighs 7,6 tons, and the Watch 6,3
2. The speed at the Watch is 105 km \ h, at the tiger 160 km \ h.
3. Tiger (Reinforced armor provides protection against shelling from a distance of 5-10 m by domestic rifle cartridges of 7,62 mm caliber with B-32 armor-piercing incendiary bullet or 7,62 × 51 mm NATO cartridges with M948 armor-piercing bullets having a tungsten core. )
4. Dozor (Armored personnel carrier armored corps protects the crew, landing and internal equipment from small arms, anti-personnel mines and the effects of weapons of mass destruction)
It is difficult to compare these two cars.

[Akim]

Quote: Marrying

2. The speed at the Watch is 105 km \ h, at the tiger 160 km \ h.

90-105 km / h depending on the engine. You will take part in the Great Silk Road rally on it. Naturally, he is not a competitor to "Tiger". Who makes armored vehicles better than Russia (sarcasm). And if without it. Who cares! Each product has its own buyer,

[ATATA]

Quote: Akim

Who better than Russia makes armored vehicles (sarcasm).

And if without sarcasm?
So constipated were the same their customers.
What car do you drive?

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

What car do you drive?

There was Jelly MK-2, now we are changing to Jelly MK Cross.
There were buyers for Constipation, because in the USSR there was a famine for cars. I am well acquainted with him because my grandfather as a disabled person allocated social security.
I’m kind of sided with his competitors (Dozora-B) in the foreign market. The main thing would be in the army. They promised the first batch in early summer.

[ATATA]

Quote: Akim

The main thing would be in the army. They promised the first batch in early summer.

I think that in the army, this is not needed. Bring to mind the health tads.
But with such a layout, this is unlikely. Too large rear overhang.
Although in truth ... You can put in the Ukrainian army ...
Well, you know how I feel about the Ukrainian state.
ps I am the opposite of the people.

[ATATA]

Still.

Quote: Akim

90-105 km / h depending on the engine. You will take part in the Great Silk Road rally on it.

There is such a term as "power reserve".
It often takes a fraction of a second to get out of the shelling and save someone's life.

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

It often takes a fraction of a second to get out of the shelling and save someone's life.

Anything can happen. And the beetle whistles and the bull flies. It's not the Matrix. Maybe I'm conservative, but I don't understand why the APC needs high speed?

[ATATA]

Quote: Akim

but I don’t understand why an APC needs a high speed?

Not speed, but dynamics, so that with the axle boxes to get out of shelling over the obstacle.
For example.

[svp67]

Quote: Akim

Maybe I'm conservative, but I don’t understand why an APC needs a high speed?

Because it is just a "vehicle" that transports infantrymen, sheltering them from stray bullets and shrapnel closer to the battlefield, and movement is possible on public roads and column routes ... And the speed is not superfluous here

[bask]

Quote: Marrying

3. Tiger (Reinforced armor provides protection against shelling from a distance of 5-10 m by domestic rifle cartridges of 7,62 mm caliber with B-32 armor-piercing incendiary bullet or 7,62 × 51 mm NATO cartridges with M948 armor-piercing bullets having a tungsten core. )

This is all excellent, but a modern multi-purpose armored car should have a corresponding mine protection of 600 gr in heat-energy, this is not serious. Maximum 7 kg under the body and up to 10 kg under the wheel.
,, Watch B ,,, also without mine protection (protects against anti-personnel mines).
There are no mine seats, no seat belts.

And so with the bourgeoisie.

So, this is a contract with the Poles, full of crap. No one in the West will buy an armored car without anti-mine protection.

[Horde]

Quote: bask

There are no mine seats, no seat belts.

pay attention to the far stool, there the back is moving away Ukraine is not yet abroad
do the bourgeoisie also have the truth, they save on the spot, what will the fighters rest against each other's knees in the chest? and luggage where?

[bask]

Quote: Horde

bourgeois really, too, save on the spot, the soldiers will be knees against each other's chest to rest? and luggage where?

That's why they and the bourgeoisie would save on everything. And luggage and ammunition probably outside the armored corps.
In the Watch, the seats are generally made in such a way that it is not clear how to sit on them.
In our “Tiger,” they worked though this issue, and installed mine seats. (But there is no defense itself).

[Horde]

Quote: bask

In our “Tiger,” they worked though this issue, and installed mine seats. (But there is no defense itself).

looks human, though the seats in the Tiger are most likely also bourgeois
I think so if the Tiger is blinded from below for all classes, Ivek will turn out, as ours are in no hurry to do this.

[bask]

Quote: Horde

e most likely also bourgeois

Similarly bourgeois. Not a goog hunt ... t.
You, 6 months ago, laid out the info about ,, Tiger 6A ,,. There was STANAG-4 mine protection if I remember 3-4 kg in tee, this is something. But the car did not go to the conveyor. Instead, stamped ,, Tiger M ,,

[Horde]

Quote: bask

You, 6 months ago, laid out the info about ,, Tiger 6A ,,. There was STANAG-4 mine protection if I remember 3-4 kg in tee, this is something. But the car did not go to the conveyor. Instead, stamped ,, Tiger M ,,

What is the fuel consumption of these 5-6,7 ton monsters? rummaged in nete found about iveka an unforgettable 14l / 100km with a mass of 7t do you believe that?

[bask]

Quote: Horde

oh fuel consumption for these 5-6,7 ton monsters? rummaged in nete found about iveka unforgettable 14l / 100km

I would say so, from 14 liters to 20 liters and then this is the average fuel consumption per 100 cells.

[Horde]

Quote: bask

I would say so, from 14 liters to 20 liters and then this is the average fuel consumption per 100 cells.

I recall the GAZ-24 machine weighing less than 2 tons, but consumed 15 liters and everyone was just happy, but here 7 tons ???

[bask]

Quote: Horde

I recall the GAZ-24 machine weighing less than 2 tons, but consumed 15 liters and everyone was just happy, but here 7 tons ??

The average consumption of NATO MRAs in Afghanistan is 20-25 liters per 100 cells.
JLTV, hybrid engines will stand, consumption will be small.
JLTV (light tactical mobile armored vehicle from IEDs, land mines and other threats). Underbody protection equivalent to the original MRAP standard. With a JLTV weight of approximately 5600 kg, the JLTV will provide protection comparable to a 10-ton MRAP.

Quote: ATATA

But such an amount of explosives, even for a tank, is enough, let alone an armored car.

Dear ATAK, test of RG-31,8 kg in t / e under the body (if the bourgeoisie does not lie).

[ATATA]

Quote: bask

Maximum 7 kg under the body and up to 10 kg under the wheel.

Dear BASK, I am wildly sorry!
But such an amount of explosives, even for a tank, is enough, let alone an armored car.

[smiths xnumx]

Well, what am I extremely happy for Ukraine in general and for KMDBTM in particular? I hope this vehicle will be used not only by Poland, but also by the SPAAG. True, it is not clear from the article that the car shown in the photo was made at the Mista plant, or the first sample is still presented by the Ukrainian KMDB. Apparently, the first sample is still made in Kharkov. Probably, Poland's interest in the Kharkov armored personnel carrier is associated with programs to replace the outdated BRDM-2 and the Honker car, especially since Poland has announced a tender for their replacement. According to reports in the Polish press, the deadline for submission of documents for participation is July 19, 2013, the beginning of the technical dialogue is scheduled for August. Which firms are involved in it is not known. It is quite possible that the transfer of technology and assembly production in Poland is included in the list of requirements of the Polish side. As, for example, with Patria / Wolverine.
Quotes:

"Vehicles must be equipped with STANAG 2 Level 4569 armor or higher for ballistic protection (including windows) and withstand 6 kg of TNT under the bottom of the vehicle. The vehicle must be able to carry 5 people or 600 kg of cargo."
"Cars must be equipped with diesel engines of F-54 (Classic) standard, or F-34, 100 kW (135 hp) or 200 kW (270 hp), depending on the version. Cars must be able to be towed by a 750-kg trailer and be able to be transported by C-130 cargo aircraft. Cars must have a 24-month warranty and a service life of at least 20 years.

It looks like it was for the purpose of participation in the tender that the Dozor became 800kg heavier, and a winch appeared. The view has become more aggressive with additional booking. Kharkiv residents offer two engine options: IVECO 8142.38.11 (EURO-2) with a capacity of 122 l / s. and DEUTZ BF 4M 1013 FC (EURO-3) with a capacity of 190 l / s. Which one will be installed, I hope we will find out soon. Yours faithfully!
Machine with extra security at 3 STANAG 4569. Photo http://www.altair.com

[svp67]

Lisaped May, Lisaped
Two-colony "Grand Cherokee"
I dzіnok the great є
Shkiryan wide
I'll put it on the trunk
Two little ones іz with buryaks
I'm flying through the village
Lisapedom, on the tank
(Ukrainian folk song ..)

[zadorin1974]

amusing unit. The only suspension is too soft - because of this, a strong longitudinal buildup - the rear overhang is large (I probably would like to stuff more people - instead of 8 troops, they would have made 6 seats and you could shorten the length by half a meter)

[ATATA]

Quote: zadorin1974

rear overhang large

Inadequate load distribution between the front and rear axle, this is the most obvious (just striking) drawback of this pepelats.
But by the way, this is a hereditary feature of the Ukrainian automobile industry, constipation in everyone's memory. )

[zadorin1974]

in addition to constipation, Ukraine also produced "LUNAKHODY" LuAZ-quite remarkable and unpretentious taratais - I would have bought one for hunting.

[Akim]

Poles collect their "Wolverine", but this does not mean that the Finns cannot sell their "Patria".

[starhina01]

I don’t know how are you and yab vseravno on this pepelats with pleasure swept very really in fact her hotz check

[bistrov.]

Well, what is such an armored car for? In combat, is it a coffin on wheels for 11 people, if only for intelligence and police functions? After all, this is a stage already passed, during the Second World War such armored vehicles did not justify themselves and were abandoned, now they are again pulling out this "stale goods" into the light of day. They support the car lobby, do not allow the auto industry to wither? Another thing BRDM is a specialized vehicle created specifically for reconnaissance, has a sealed armored bodies, an increased power reserve, can swim, overcome trenches and funnels due to additional wheels, a capstan for pulling out, a powerful radio station, a crew of three, can take three more scouts to reinforce ... Such a machine is justified and needed, but such as in the photograph is all child's play, in modern combat it will be destroyed in a matter of minutes.

[Akim]

Quote: bistrov.

Well, why do you need such an armored car?

I support. I also don't understand the value of the non-floating Dozor-B and Tiger, especially when they are handed over to the paratroopers.

[cdrt]

to overcome trenches and funnels due to additional wheels

From this pornography have already refused - see BRDM-2M.
Although I agree - BRDM-2 is an excellent reconnaissance machine. Better not floating armored vehicles, although perhaps more expensive than them.
Nasty mine protection - 6 kg under the bottom, in a circle from 7,62 B-32, in the forehead from 12,7, a remotely controlled installation with Cord or AGS. Most for a long, long time for reconnaissance

[Tan4ik]

I wonder what will come of it

[phantom359]

There was a watch - became an oscillator. We don’t have it ourselves, but we’re distributing licenses to the Psheks. I hope that the backlog of cars in Kharkov is not lost.

[a boat]

Quote: Varnaga

Vague prospects, given the impeccable reputation of the BTR-4, dangling in neutral waters.

Well, and you read the article above where Iraq will purchase weapons from the United States in the amount of about 4milear. dol. (included in the supply and armored personnel carriers) may come to mind!