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Ideological assault on Seliger. Results

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Ideological assault on Seliger. Results



Activists of the National Liberation Movement came to Seliger from special missions, to tell active, thinking young people who had gathered from all over the country. TRUTH. The truth about the true state of things, the truth about the colonial status of our Motherland, the fate that befell it after 1991, and the struggle for Freedom and Independence that unfolded after 1999, under the leadership of National Leader Vladimir Putin.

And we 18 patriots managed to do this, managed to convey information to the 5000 participants in the Forum, almost everywhere we met with approval and understanding, many have already heard about NOD, even more young people learned about the facts of the occupation, and now their knowledge merged into one, all fell into place.

Here at Seliger, among huge pines, among lake spills, we once again understood the importance of our struggle for independence. We are confident that after returning home, many will join the struggle of the national liberation movement in Russia, the movement aimed at life itself in our land!



Chronology and results.


From the very first minutes of their arrival at Seliger, our comrades-in-arms faced difficulties that were a hindrance to our work at Seliger. And the task was one - to break through the information blockade. It began with the fact that the arrangements for our placement by a separate group, as well as issues related to the movement in the forum in practice, were not implemented. But the NOD fighters did not fall down in spirit and we made a willful decision not to be populated until all of our comrades came to be the whole group in the same tent camp. The fact is that our delegation arrived from different cities and at different times, and according to the rules of the form, the settlement is carried out on twenty people in one camp. At our requests to provide us with a camp and instructor, we were told that until the G20 was formed our request would not be satisfied. As a result, we had to spend a whole day at the checkpoint - 1, without being able to even eat. In the evening, 16 people gathered, we explained that the rest will be tomorrow, then we were only settled in the camp and given food. The day passed in the struggle for the possibility of our group settling in one camp in order to act in concert and it must be said that we achieved our goal. Then there was the struggle for the right to attend lectures in order to be able to more effectively conduct propaganda among young people. We were categorically not allowed, but without such a right, we were forced by the whole group to go to one lecture, and dozens of them were simultaneously held at the forum, respectively, this seriously reduced our capabilities. As a result of the persistence of our associates, we succeeded in obtaining permission to attend lectures freely. Every evening on the main stage, various projects had the opportunity to speak, but this did not concern the GCD. We have always received a refusal to our repeated requests, but other youth projects could calmly conduct propaganda for an audience of more than 5 000 people. We had to do this, bypassing the fires in the evening, as well as at lectures, asking questions on the subject of the GCD.


At the end of the lecture, our associates highlighted the problems of sovereignty of Russia. And the lecturers, with their answers, convinced the audience that there really are such problems. Our activists always moved around the camp in T-shirts with the symbol of NOD, which attracted the interest of members of the forum who asked to tell about the NOD that our colleagues willingly did, supplying members of the forum with propaganda materials.

The movement of our group through the camp to the morning and evening building was certainly accompanied by the slogan: "HOMELAND! FREEDOM! PUTIN!", Which rather quickly began to gain popularity at Seliger. It is pleasant to note that our words found a lively response in the hearts of people. NOD activists found friends and like-minded people, not only from Russia, but also from Serbia and Transnistria. The day before the arrival of the State Duma deputy, chairman of the inter-factional group of deputies of the State Duma “Russian Sovereignty”, Yevgeny Alekseevich Fedorov, our associates to ensure the maximum number of listeners, all evening they went on fires and told about the upcoming event. And even despite the fact that the lecture venue was changed twice, and ten minutes before it began, it was once again transferred from the tent “Stolypin” to the tent “Rostelecom”, our associates managed to gather a large number of listeners to the lecture. The speech of the deputy Fedorov E. A. made a real stir on the forum! The conversation turned out to be very lively and interesting, and the number of questions was so great that there was not enough time to satisfy everyone with an answer. At the lectures of Alexander Andreyevich Prokhanov and Andrei Ilyich Fursov, our activists also asked the question: “Does Russia have sovereignty?”, The writer Prokhanov replied, “there is partly, we can say that there is almost no such thing”. Fursov gave the same answer, he said that Russia has no more than 10 percent of sovereignty from the required level. Andrei Ilyich also acknowledged that Russia was under occupation, thanked the activists of the national liberation movement and expressed support. These lectures contributed to the breakthrough of the information blockade on Seliger, as they confirmed the words of our activists and a large number of forum participants began to express their support to our activists and ask for campaign materials. In the evening, our activists participated in debates with representatives of the Young Guard and patriotic organizations. During the debates, our comrades also spoke about the problems of Russia's sovereignty.


Our vigorous activity and constant requests for the need to perform in front of all Seliger on the big stage, led to the fact that the shift manager: “Working youth” Igor Gribanov helped us to resolve this issue. On the big stage before the audience of several thousand people were our comrades-in-arms: Denis Ganich and Aminat Anchokova, who presented the video of the national liberation movement and invited everyone to our lectures to the tent. As for the lectures, they turned out to be lively. We were joined by dozens of active young people who are raiding for their Fatherland and wanting to fight for its independence!

The task set for us - the breakthrough of the information blockade, we have completed. This is evidenced by the facts.

After some time, at all events, the forum users, asking questions to the lecturers, raised the subject of sovereignty. Not indifferent participants of the forum started to enter the tent of NOD, asking for information about the possibility of using their own forces in the struggle for the sovereignty of our Motherland! The activists of the national liberation movement, who were recognized by T-shirts, could not walk through the camp, so that caring young people would not come up and did not ask questions about the GCD.

When the national leader, Vladimir Putin, arrived at Seliger and our activists began chanting before the start of his speech: “Motherland! Freedom! Putin! ”, This slogan was picked up by the members of the forum who, during our work, began to understand the essence of the events taking place in the country.

These facts allow us to say with confidence that our comrades managed to break through the information blockade on Seliger and thus make another step towards breaking through the information blockade on the federal media.

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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 19 August 2013 07: 04 New
    +3
    Why the topic of ecology is not covered after the forum in this special place for a Russian person. The harm to nature is colossal.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 19 August 2013 08: 24 New
      +8
      Quote: FC Skiff
      The harm to nature is colossal.


      I don’t know what harm, but the benefit seems like from OURS, headed by the "Great" Yakimenka ... Where is he, by the way, the head of horseradish youth
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 August 2013 12: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Environmental damage is colossal

      Damage is not only to nature. Umam human harm from these individuals.
      Article minus. Prosperous, pro-Putin cheap propaganda.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 19 August 2013 14: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        Damage is not only to nature. Umam human harm from these individuals.
        Article minus. Prosperous, pro-Putin cheap propaganda.


        If "pro-Putin" then some kind of "clumsy" ...
        It is unlikely that Putin would agree with the thesis of "colonization of Russia."
        In general, the article is twofold, smeared, which was reflected in its rating - practically 50 on 50 ...
        1. Denis
          Denis 19 August 2013 15: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          If "pro-Putin" then some kind of "clumsy" ...
          Extremely clumsy!
          Or as the other arch-leader liked to say ...
          And all the questions were asked some kind of correct, ideologically, etc. sustained
          Like the old Komsomol and party meetings
        2. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 19 August 2013 20: 45 New
          -6
          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: baltika-18
          Damage is not only to nature. Umam human harm from these individuals.
          Article minus. Prosperous, pro-Putin cheap propaganda.


          If "pro-Putin" then some kind of "clumsy" ...
          It is unlikely that Putin would agree with the thesis of "colonization of Russia."
          In general, the article is twofold, smeared, which was reflected in its rating - practically 50 on 50 ...


          to you and everyone who has mined, let’s understand without any emotions and point by point what the guys tried to tell on Soliger
          1 the most important thing is today's lack of independence, Russia's dependence on the political institutions of other states (usa, eu)
          2 about the defeat of the USSR in 1991
          3 about Russia's lack of full-fledged economic, political, ideological, etc. sovereignty
          4 on the need for popular support of the president as a leader in a movement capable of changing the situation

          what do you disagree with ????
          if with everything, then you’re probably from the “echo of the mask” and your idol Gorbachev and Chubais, but then you’d probably better return to the echo ....

          specifically for the article:
          I personally also did not like the children's gundezh associated with some org. moments, it is definitely superfluous and is not connected with those ideas that it was necessary to convey to everyone

          but let's still make a discount on youth and the enthusiasm of performers

          as for the video, this is the usual emotional 5-minute annotation of the upcoming meeting, in short it is a simple advertisement, this video can not be otherwise!

          about the chant “Motherland! Freedom! Putin! ”, Then perhaps I personally shout it somehow uncomfortable, but on the other hand, today I completely agree with the validity of this statement and perhaps just add the words of Alexander Prokhanov also said to him on the same Soliger:

          ".... I don’t want to be Putin’s apologist here. It's indecent. Each of us has his own attitude, we see the president in all its glory, and when he lowers the grand boats into the ocean and when he kisses the pike in the head. but much today the fate of the state is based on it.this is a difficult moment, it can be a tragic moment.
          a system does not work that will be ready to support our structure, our society in any cases, let's say something happens, let's say Putin leaves the government. such a bickering will begin such a massacre.
          today's “Putinism” is not self-interest, it is not a desire to be closer to the throne, it is a sober understanding of the structure of our world today. let him stay as long as possible in the place that he is occupying now, let there be no emptiness around him, because sometimes it seems that there is emptiness around him, let this emptiness fill you - young politicians .... "

          in short. this article tells how a group of activists told the truth about Russia on Soliger as they could, how they could - they really worked, and did not sit at home drinking beer and complaining to his wife that everything was gone ...

          there have been and will be many parties and one homeland, learn to see real deeds and beliefs, understand the situation, and do not put a label on everyone in advance.
    3. Hon
      Hon 19 August 2013 22: 10 New
      -1
      SELIGER 2010 ...
  2. Denis
    Denis 19 August 2013 07: 13 New
    +6
    -Do you not like such music?
    - Party! (C) "Brother"
    And words about
    the struggle for Freedom and Independence, which unfolded after 1999, under the leadership of National Leader Vladimir Putin
    while education ruin only words
    Do not achieve independence, even with a fiery desire and a club in his hands, when a machine gun at the colonizer
    And as for education, they’re keeping quiet like that, then who will do their machine guns?
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 19 August 2013 07: 46 New
      +2
      All that will be given to us is the AK-47, a bowler hat and the song "In the Frontline Forest" :))).
  3. My address
    My address 19 August 2013 07: 24 New
    20
    Putin is a patriot? And who is in prison Kvachkov and Khabarov? And they did not steal from the country, did not lie to people, honestly fulfilled their duty. Even formally, they are faithful to the oath - the Soviet Union. How do I find out about the next theft and at least Serdyukov with the girls and about the refusal to institute proceedings against him, so I doubt Putin. He is a patriot, but only of the Kremlin.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 August 2013 09: 45 New
      +8
      Do not doubt. GDP is a patriot of Russia. But here is the truth in his understanding, Russia is a state of victorious monopoly capitalism. In which there are people of the first grade - these are oligarchs and top government officials (including security officials), people of the second grade are top managers, large businessmen, affiliated with the state, large officials and all kinds of pop music. And also there are third-class people - all the rest, who must serve the first two grades and not have any rights in relation to them. GDP is as much a patriot of Russia as Nicholas II was a patriot, who quite sincerely believed that he reigned for the good of Russia. If you accept this postulate, then you will also have a mosaic of contradictions in the foreign and domestic GDP policies.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 19 August 2013 19: 55 New
        -6
        I think this is a simplified approach. Firstly: Putin is really a patriot. But in order to be in power, he has to reckon with the opinion of the oligarchs (just like the head of the village council in rural areas is forced to take into account the interests of heads of households and enterprises located on its territory. Secondly: Putin is also not a poor man and has his own financial interests. His financial interests coincide with the interests of our country to a much greater extent than the interests of others. Third: Putin is really a leader who enjoys the support of the majority of the people, therefore he can rely on the unjust distribution system based on patriots national resources in favor of a larger population than it is now, but it will not be possible without the support of the people from below, because why should you beat your head against the wall if the people don’t need it ... Which means that patriots need to unite and provide this same “wave from below "which will push the president to action.
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          1. Don
            Don 20 August 2013 11: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: bastard
            What kind of patriot is he? A traitor and a murderer, and the serial (Nord-Ost, Beslan ...) "support of the majority of the people" have you fallen from the tree?

            Are you out of your mind?
      2. Don
        Don 20 August 2013 11: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        In which there are people of the first grade - these are oligarchs and top government officials (including security officials), people of the second grade are top managers, large businessmen, affiliated with the state, major officials and all kinds of pop music.

        It is interesting on the basis of what facts did you draw such a conclusion?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 20 August 2013 14: 17 New
          +2
          I'll start from the bottom.
          The population, citizens of Russia, unfortunately, are at the base of this pyramid. And little shines on their lives. Our education has been taken away. Our children will not be able to get a good education. Since the exam system and the commercialization of schools lower the bar for general education. Reducing budget places and the cost of studying (specialized secondary education is already starting at 40 thousand rubles a year) will lead to the fact that not only higher education will become unavailable, but even becoming a qualified specialist will be extremely difficult. Not to mention the vicious Bologna system, which only the lazy do not scold in educational institutions.
          Not only that, even those who can achieve something without their education, it will be more difficult to do this. People continue to sit on the moron pop art and series. Which also leads to a decrease in the mass intellectual level, because it does not provide food for thought. One continuous fun.
          Try to buy a book in the store. With prices starting at 500 rubles of the lousiest little book, even a wealthy person will not buy much. So far, the Internet has been helping out, where you can download literature. But, here, too, they tighten the nuts, so soon you will not even allow yourself even this.
          Further, there is a constant rise in prices, for which salary growth is not keeping pace. Chronic pension reforms that do not know what will lead to, all this reduces the standard of living of the population.
          At the same time, the quality of food and consumer goods is deteriorating, the service life of household appliances is being reduced, which introduces people to additional costs.
          Small and medium-sized businesses also have problems. The increase in taxes, or rather, fees from the wage bill, hit the small business, whose main expenses are on the payroll (I’m not talking about buy-sell, although they were also pressed by bans). The waste paper shaft increases all the time, which must be taken to the controlling authorities. And the introduction of electronic reporting is a very little consolation, because then it still needs to be filled out. And it changes almost every quarter. As a result, the accounting staff is inflated, which is also an expense. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find orders, unless, of course, you are not affiliated with large corporations or government agencies. As a result, most entrepreneurs struggle for the minimum of the most disadvantageous contracts in all areas of activity. Whereas really fatty pieces go “their own” and “for kickbacks”. But as soon as any business gets to the top of the rest, they immediately capture it with the help of raider schemes.
          Look at the communal apartment. We are told that we got an old Soviet communal apartment, which is destroyed. Therefore, prices are rising. But the quality of services is not improving! Yes, in the early 2000s there was a breakthrough, but now the improvement is at a snail's pace. At the same time, we don’t know that besides our payments, utilities get a lot of money for connecting to the networks of facilities under construction. The share of the simple cost of connection already reaches 40% in some construction projects. In our village, connecting a cottage to networks and heating costs 100 thousand rubles. Excluding the cost of supplying the pipe. Only connection! But they are not enough. We had communal services that poorly managed housing. Management campaigns have been created. Something has changed? No, why? Yes, because management campaigns do nothing. They are only recipients of money from us and their distributors to the same housing and communal services. They have staff of accountants, lawyers and economists. But not a single locksmith or an electrician. Why were they needed?
          Little for you, dear Don, can I continue if necessary? We can say that all rights have been taken away from us, except for the right to work hard on the owners and at the same time pay from our own pockets for raising their conditions, as a rest - a zombie man with twitching pop freaks?
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 20 August 2013 14: 18 New
          +1
          But I think that it’s worth to rise already higher.
          A little higher is the group that provides population management and the security of the ruling elite. It includes courts, police, officials, the media, as well as pop stars. What do I say mainly about large ranks and sizes. Since ordinary cops and officers of the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply work for a salary. Maybe now a little higher to hold on to the place. Low-level officials are also not an elite, although they are trying to assert themselves and steal everyone in their place. But they are all tied with discipline. Labor and military. And managed by a small number of generals, colonels and large officials. Which really have high incomes and are the core of these structures. Separately, it is necessary to highlight the top managers of the mainstream media and, of course, the pop bohemia. At the same time, a stubborn bureaucrat or “polkan” who, apart from theft and transfer of papers from bottom to top and top to bottom, can not do anything, can look at a distinguished teacher or master from God from top to bottom. And decide "whether he should do what or not." I'm not talking about the mediocrity, grimacing on stage, who allow themselves to express a sense of superiority over ordinary people. It is clear that in order to squeeze workers to the stop, overseers must be above them - top management of large corporations and enterprises.
          This is the current "middle class." Which is a layer that protects the owners of life from the people.

          Well, at the top of the pyramid are several of the largest oligarchs from industry and the banking sector and officials. It is for them that this state exists, the structure of which I have cited. Do you need examples of their omnipotence? Serdyukov with his thieving women who still do not sit. Gorbachev with his mockery of the people of the highest order, the constant rise in prices for fuel and electricity, which can not slow down the government, the predatory conditions of bank lending. Few? Let's continue if there is such a desire.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 19 August 2013 10: 13 New
      +8
      Quote: My address
      Putin is a patriot?

      Yeah...
      Here, it seems, and I and the guys have similar thoughts about the neutered (or amputated?) Sovereignty of Russia. Similar and, moreover, I am sure appeared much earlier than their GCD. But their slogan is “Motherland! Freedom! Putin! ” request it's something ... The guys probably got something wrong ... with the last one.
      HIVE! HONEY! ... BEAR!
      And you can do it like this: CODE! LAW! ... SERDYUKOV!
      Somewhere jumped at the guys. They even heard about the WTO, at least SOMETHING ???

      Quote: My address
      And who are in prison Kvachkov and Khabarov who?

      Well, they didn’t visit Seliger.
      1. Don
        Don 20 August 2013 11: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        They even heard about the WTO, at least SOMETHING ???

        And what did you even hear about her?
    3. alone
      alone 19 August 2013 20: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: My address
      And who are in prison Kvachkov and Khabarov who? Moreover, they did not steal from the country, did not lie to people, honestly performed their duty.


      that's why they are in prison.
  4. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 August 2013 07: 32 New
    -1
    What is NOD is a Komsomol clone, the same slogans, the same desire will light up before the government, its affectionate and obedient tongue. Somehow everything is familiar.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 19 August 2013 08: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: vladsolo56
      What is NOD is a Komsomol clone, the same slogans, the same desire will light up before the government, its affectionate and obedient tongue. Somehow everything is familiar.


      About the "tongue" is now fashionable ... Especially about the obedient and under the flag of the rainbow ...

      And what was Komsomol bad ?? A pioneer ??? And what didn’t please the October party ?????????

      For me, it is better that NCD will look like a Komsomol than a Lyubertsy (or some other) brigade of thugs.
      Quote: saag
      What kind of bullshit people do, fight to break through the information blockade, it would be better to propose for discussion the concept of a national idea, attractive to many, based on the principles of social justice

      As for the concept of a national idea, something strong similar to the “Path to Communism” will not appear today ...
      And today the most important thing is to free yourself from tribute to the Anglo-Saxons - this is today the national idea No. 1.
      Judging by the fact that an information blockade still exists, one can be firmly convinced that the love of the charms of the Anglo-Saxon lady (read morality) and her copper, silver-plated and gilded values ​​has not been entrenched in the minds of many Russian citizens for a short time.
      And God forbid, not forever!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 19 August 2013 08: 27 New
        +8
        Komsomol and pioneer, were very good, I do not argue. Only if we take the Komsomol of the 80s, then even the career aspiration of many activists was strictly observed. For them, the Komsomol was only a springboard to power, ideologically they did not give a damn about honor and conscience, they were eager only for power, they went over their heads and licked everyone on whom the very progress depended. It was with that late Komsomol that I compared the GCD.
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 19 August 2013 09: 16 New
          +1
          Yes, I agree. Komsomol 80's is a convenient and necessary career elevator.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 19 August 2013 14: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Oskar
            Yes, I agree. Komsomol 80's is a convenient and necessary career elevator.

            Many did not want to "go" in this "elevator", realizing that the Komsomol from around the 60 years was becoming more and more bureaucratic and moving away from the principles originally laid down in it.
            I am talking about the youth of that time, who did not accept formal bureaucratic activity, which was reduced to a banal "withdrawal" of membership fees. And I note that the young (then) people were not "anti-Soviet".
        2. Proud.
          Proud. 19 August 2013 09: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: vladsolo56
          For them, the Komsomol was just a springboard to power,

          To the point! The difference between Komsomol activists of the 30-50s and 80s is enormous. If the former sought to be REALLY the first both in labor and in battle, the latter were more successful in oratory, and that was not all.
        3. Petrix
          Petrix 19 August 2013 11: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          It was with that late Komsomol that I compared the GCD.

          Why did you compare like that?
          In my opinion, now this is not a rotten swamp for careerists, but a young shoot of activists and it is more correct to equate the NOD with the Komsomol of the 50s. Today, careerists do not go to young movements, but to established parties and to business.
        4. Tartary
          Tartary 19 August 2013 12: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          For them, the Komsomol was only a springboard to power, ideologically they did not give a damn about honor and conscience, they were eager only for power, they went over their heads and licked everyone on whom the very progress depended. It was with that late Komsomol that I compared the GCD.

          How did you immediately manage to compare ?? Surprised ...
          On Seliger to see lucky parallels?
          Or between the lines of the author of the article ?????))))))))))))))))))))))

          So he took and unfolded the thread of discussion, blurting out a few unconfirmed phrases sucked from his finger ...
          Or is the instruction near the computer lying?
        5. Djozz
          Djozz 19 August 2013 16: 18 New
          +5
          I, a former employee of the Krasnodar Kraicom of the Komsomol, confirm that there were all decent guys and finished bastards, but there was Zarnitsa, Eaglet, youth seminars in a mountain camp. In the 80th, Kraikom held an All-Union rally of veterinarians-veterans of the Great Patriotic War and a meeting of young people with them cannot be divided into black and white!
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 19 August 2013 18: 10 New
            +2
            "Zarnitsa" - this is very cool for boys of school age!
            it must be introduced again everywhere.
            1. Hon
              Hon 19 August 2013 22: 15 New
              +1
              Pioneers now have other teachers
  5. saag
    saag 19 August 2013 07: 33 New
    -1
    What kind of bullshit people do, fight to break through the information blockade, it would be better to propose for discussion the concept of a national idea, attractive to many, based on the principles of social justice
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 19 August 2013 09: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: saag
      What kind of bullshit people do, fight to break through the information blockade, it would be better to propose for discussion the concept of a national idea, attractive to many, based on the principles of social justice


      You criticize - offer.

      Despite the "sweetness" of the article, the guys are doing a pretty competent thing. They raise a topic critical for the survival of Russia in a very difficult and demanding time. Of course, now there are those who do not think so and God is their judge, however, there is how it is and you need to convey information by any available means.

      Returning again to the question of the national idea, etc. Have you heard that there is such a thing as a sequence of actions? Usually a base is created, the ground is prepared in order to develop more heavy-weight ideas and projects in this matter. There is, by and large, no base yet, but you already want heavy ideas. Without a base and a sufficient number of understanding and active people, the same national idea developed by a separate, not well-known group of people simply cannot take root. Even if it is very good because nobody will know about it, and even if it does, then there will not be enough authority to lead people and push the idea to the highest level.
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 19 August 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: saag
      it would be better to propose for discussion the concept of a national idea

      Look for yourself and find the concept you need on the Internet. But NCD has a concept - gaining the sovereignty of the present in all areas. At this stage, what is not a bad idea? And then we'll talk about world peace.
  6. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 19 August 2013 09: 23 New
    +3
    What is the use of the country for this Seliger? Well, did you find out about the tragedy in 1991, and where did they live before? Or asked the right questions about GDP and what kind of information blockade was there? its people created something? ? nonsense and not an article, the tragedy is that the redhead lives like Christ’s bosom and hunchbacked too
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 19 August 2013 14: 59 New
      +3
      no good, even harm .... from these Seliger people grow personalities such as marsh-liberals.
      Everywhere a shadow theater and a circus tent! A strong cohesive national movement is extremely unprofitable for the current government and its patrons ..... All these Seligers, parties are communists of the Socialist Democratic Party of the United Democratic Republic and so on. this is just a distracting maneuver ..... they prevent the formation of a real national movement ...... In our country, the government has a bunch of oligarchs clinging to a resource vein - they are extremely unfavorable for concepts such as freedom, independence of the homeland.
  7. vot-te-raz
    vot-te-raz 19 August 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    From the very first minutes of arriving at Seliger, our associates encountered difficulties that were an obstacle to our work at Seliger. But the task was one - to break through the information blockade. It began with the fact that the agreements on our placement as a separate group, as well as issues related to movement around the forum, were not implemented in practice.



    And the ubiquitous hand of the State Department got here. bully Not otherwise, the camp administration was recruited on the recommendation of the United States. what
  8. niecke
    niecke 19 August 2013 09: 29 New
    -4
    very good! you need to know the enemies in person!
    1. nbw
      nbw 19 August 2013 20: 21 New
      +2
      Wow! And what will you be from? London, ali Phushington?
      1. Hon
        Hon 19 August 2013 21: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: nbw
        x how! And what will you be from? London, ali Phushington?

        In general, this rally was planned to be held in the USA, but apparently they thought better of it in time, so who is there in London and who is in Washington still needs to be figured out.
  9. alicante11
    alicante11 19 August 2013 09: 53 New
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    Yes, now there is no occupation of Russia, except for the occupation by the oligarchs. Is an occupied country can veto the decisions of the owners in the UN. And support the sacrifice of its occupier? This is complete stupidity. Foreign occupation was in the 90's; at the end of the 90's, most oligarchs began to fight against this occupation. And they successfully removed the foreign occupation. But they replaced it with their occupation. For us, this is still better than the complete destruction of the country like the USSR. But too bad in comparison with what was during the USSR. Therefore, in order to avert the protest mood of the citizens of Russia from the true occupiers, they palm off the invaders to us, who, of course, lick their lips again to become real occupiers. But they can’t do anything yet.
    1. nbw
      nbw 19 August 2013 20: 24 New
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      in the late 90s, most oligarchs began to fight against this occupation.
      And how are you doing there, in parallel reality? Oligarchs fight occupation, NATO soldiers give flowers to Libyan children, bees fight honey and liberals fight America? Well you probably have ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 20 August 2013 01: 45 New
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        I do not know how in your parallel reality. But in our history, I do not recall an example of an occupied territory pulling the nose of its metropolis, protecting another territory from occupation. So I imagine how the protectorate of Moravia supplies tanks and self-propelled guns for the Red Army on the difficult days of the fall of 1941 for it. What nonsense are you talking about? If your country was stolen, this does not mean that it was stolen by foreign enemies. Unfortunately, your fellow citizens can steal the country. This is no less insulting, but, nevertheless, this is at least a potentially reversible process. Unlike foreign occupation.
    2. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 19 August 2013 22: 52 New
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      I am not a fan of Deputy Fedorov. But ... if you criticize a person, try to listen to what he says, and not his friends from GCD. He talks about the presence in Russia of remnants of elements of external management.
      - About the dependence of our science on receiving Western grants (in historical science this generally leads to disaster),
      - about the dependence of our media on western rating agencies,
      - about the dependence of the emission of our currency on how much we have in reserve dollars, etc.
      if these are not external controls prove the opposite ...
      Another thing is that in addition to this, we have our own elite, which is interested in the raw material variant of the development of our country and is closely connected with Western capital ... Hence the conservation of the situation ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 20 August 2013 02: 03 New
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        He talks about the presence in Russia of remnants of elements of external management.
        - About the dependence of our science on receiving Western grants (in historical science this generally leads to disaster),


        What kind of science are you talking about? Are Western grants invested in the creation of new military technologies? Or are they invested in fundamental science? If they are invested, then in narrow directions, beneficial to the West itself.

        - about the dependence of our media on western rating agencies,


        This is called "freedom of speech" under capitalism. If you don’t have your opportunity to track events in Syria or Libya by sending correspondents there, then you will reprint messages from Bibisi or ITAR TASS, freely choosing words between them :).

        - about the dependence of the emission of our currency on how much we have in reserve dollars, etc.
        if these are not external controls prove the opposite ...


        It is very simple. The Russian Federation is a capital country and it lives according to the capitalist principle. Not only Russia, but also all capitalist countries, and even semi-socialist China have gold and foreign exchange reserves. What can you do? Well, the Russian Federation does not yet have the opportunity to force foreigners to trade with us for rubles. So it is necessary to pay the amers and Europeans the content of reserve currencies by importing their inflation.

        Another thing is that in addition to this, we have our own elite, which is interested in the raw material variant of the development of our country and is closely connected with Western capital ... Hence the conservation of the situation ...


        The elite is interested in making money. And this resources, or production - do not care. The main thing is profit. It's just that when selling resources, the rent is very high, and investments are low, as long as there is a Soviet backlog. No wonder they are talking about the modernization of industry. They’ll do it wherever they go. Only this will not make it easier for us. New guest workers will work at the new factories, and there will not be enough places for top managers at all. So for the people there is one hell that the raw material economy, that industrial. Ask amers.
  10. 128mgb
    128mgb 19 August 2013 09: 54 New
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    Quote: saag
    What kind of bullshit people do, fight to break through the information blockade, it would be better to propose for discussion the concept of a national idea, attractive to many, based on the principles of social justice

    The national idea on the principles of social justice is how? The national idea already implies the superiority of one nationality over another. What social justice is there? In my opinion, even the “Black Hundreds”, and not just organizations like NOD or OURs, should be welcomed at present. These organizations contribute to the formation of leaders who are not indifferent to the fate of Russia.
  11. saag
    saag 19 August 2013 10: 12 New
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    Quote: 128mgb
    The national idea on the principles of social justice is how? The national idea already implies the superiority of one nationality over another.

    National, it’s not at all the same as nationalist, the country is inhabited by a nation consisting of different nationalities, a kind of superethnos.
    Quote: Constantine
    Returning again to the question of the national idea, etc. Have you heard that there is such a thing as a sequence of actions? Usually a base is created, the ground is prepared in order to develop more heavy-weight ideas and projects in this matter. There is, by and large, no base yet, but you already want heavy ideas. Without a base and a sufficient number of understanding and active people, the same national idea developed by a separate, not well-known group of people simply cannot take root. Even if it is very good because nobody will know about it, and even if it does, then there will not be enough authority to lead people and push the idea to the highest level.

    How to create a base, if there is nothing to unite this very base, everyone will pull in their own direction, it is the idea that is primary and a unifying force, then what now exists is based on the denial of something of "occupation", corruption, etc., a solid "down "there is no constructive beginning. The idea of ​​social justice in itself is self-sufficient and has already been tested historically, you won’t have to agitate much, the main thing is to articulate it, you need a talented person who can bring everything together, but the thing is that by a strange coincidence, no one no attempts were made to voice this somehow, there is an assumption that by voicing something like that you will become a “shook hands” and will be asked from the “fighters”
  12. dmb
    dmb 19 August 2013 10: 23 New
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    No, after all, Grandfather Krylov was a great fabulist. This article is very reminiscent of a fable about a rooster and a cuckoo. Well, who will praise you, if not yourself. But the difficulties, the difficulties ... What the hell is the hell with BAM. You try, on Seliger., In a tent, without a jacuzzi and foie gras for a whole week, when only a portrait of Vladimir Vladimiritch hanging on a pine tree and warms you with its warmth. Well. the truth may still be a couple of comrades in the struggle to warm, but this is solely so that the ranks become more united in the construction of a bright capitalist future.
  13. optimist
    optimist 19 August 2013 10: 56 New
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    All these "NODs" are the next priests of the current government. It has always been and will be ...
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 19 August 2013 11: 05 New
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      There have always been patriots and traitors, activists and observers. Judging by your opinion, you don’t need to do anything, you don’t need to listen and think, because everyone always lies. And what does a worthy Leader and real Movement look like?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 August 2013 12: 14 New
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        You see. The people cannot do anything against the state. The 1905 revolution of the year showed it perfectly. Then the revolutionaries were helped mainly by the Japanese, who needed to end the war, well, the Englishwoman crap little by little. By and large it was impossible. It was necessary to keep someone on a leash against the main enemy - Germany. So, even such a rotten state as tsarist Russia could resist against the people. But in the 1917, everyone helped. And the Germans, to lead Russia out of the war. And the Entente from the United States to rob the collapsed Russia and remove it from the table of winners in the redistribution of the world pie. So the result happened on the face. True, then comrade Stalin and his comrades, pulled his nose to all the "assistants". But this is from another opera. Therefore, the Leader has nothing to do with it. The king was overthrown by a general clique. Which neither the Leader had any organization, and in the 1905 year there were plenty of Leaders, and the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries had organizations, but the point ... nothing.

        Now, if there is little history, then take and imagine how the citizens led by the Leader will break through the ranks of the riot police? But in addition to the OMON, there is also an explosive which has everything necessary even for conducting full-fledged military operations. So we do not need leaders and Leaders, they are either paid foreign agents, or agents of power, like the same Gapon pop, or frostbitten sectarians who do not care what happens to their followers.
  14. saag
    saag 19 August 2013 11: 54 New
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    Quote: Petrix
    And what does a worthy Leader and real Movement look like?

    This is the one who has something to offer the creative, and not just to subvert
  15. Normal
    Normal 19 August 2013 13: 35 New
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    Another pro-government slime. There were Surkov’s Nashi and MGER, now Fedorov’s NOD. The methods and goals have remained the same - to lick the GDP with everything that is possible and impossible and get candy for it. Only the rationale for existence has changed.
    If "Nashi" and "MGER" were conceived to counteract the opposition in the event that the latter entered the square, and as it turned out, they did not fulfill their function at all; I had to lift the loot from the buses Svet from Ivanov to Poklonnaya. Then Noda has a fantastic foundation. It is urgent to find the invaders and close the Leader of the Liberation Movement, that is, GDP, with their bodies.
    That's just something "invaders" do not allow NODovtsev to the body. And the GDP itself, having appointed "occupiers" to the state posts, does not feel bad in their "occupation" company. And what, he does not get used to; For many years he worked among them, both in Germany and in the St. Petersburg City Hall. Language knows again.
    But this is nothing, the main thing is that funds should be allocated from the "occupation" budget to fight the "occupation regime". And the brave Fedorov’s lizuns do not bother; master and still ask.
  16. creak
    creak 19 August 2013 15: 28 New
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    Quote: Normal
    the main thing is that funds should be allocated from the "occupation" budget to fight the "occupation regime". And the brave Fedorov’s lizuns do not bother; master and still ask.

    Well said, to the point.
  17. Vtel
    Vtel 19 August 2013 15: 29 New
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    The movement of our group around the camp for the morning and evening building was certainly accompanied by the slogan: "HOMELAND! FREEDOM! PUTIN!",

    Then it would be called not GCD, but RSP. They used to say - Closer to the kitchen, away from the bosses, now it's the other way around - you want to eat hearty, then closer to the bosses.

    Upon our requests to allocate us a camp and instructors, they answered us that until twenty were formed our request would not be satisfied. As a result, we had to spend the whole day at the checkpoint - 1, not having the opportunity to even eat. In the evening, 16 people gathered us, we explained that the rest would be tomorrow, then only we were settled in the camp and given food.
  18. slaventi
    19 August 2013 16: 30 New
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    The fact that a national liberation movement has appeared at the official youth forum is already good. It means that at the official level it is openly recognized that the country is under external control. As long as Putin distances himself from the NOD. Perhaps soon he will openly have to assume the role of the leader of the national liberation movement. Only one thing is clear, if we do not free ourselves, do not remove traitors from power, the country can be liquidated. There is a good Chinese proverb: “It doesn’t matter what color the cat is, it’s important that she caught mice. " Let's hope so.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 19 August 2013 16: 46 New
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      And this type with a microphone came from!
  19. Axelroad
    Axelroad 19 August 2013 16: 47 New
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    How many trolls are there, however ... everyone who wants to understand what is happening in the country and the world, whether Russia is really occupied or not, to get an idea of ​​Putin - should watch Fedorov’s videos, read Starikov’s books, watch Karaulov’s film “Unknown Putin”, at least otherwise it’s all empty idle talk ...
    1. Normal
      Normal 19 August 2013 17: 10 New
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      Quote: Axelroad
      must watch Fedorov’s videos, read Starikov’s books, watch Karaulov’s film “Unknown Putin”,

      And then kill yourself with your head against the wall am Then there will be fewer naive people and the authorities will have to not only PR, destroy the brains of the population and steal under this whole thing, but really work.
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    2. Djozz
      Djozz 19 August 2013 17: 25 New
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      Your Fedorov is a famous balobol and demagogue from "United Russia", that if ordered, he will sing. At one time I did not get out with TV with fairy tales that it became better and more fun to live, the question is to whom?
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 19 August 2013 19: 27 New
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        The article, of course, is not very ... An ordinary report on the work of the group at Seliger. But, I must say that this year Seliger was really different from the previous ones. In addition to Fedorov, there was a very interesting lecture by L.G. Ivashov, a huge number of young people attended the meeting with Prokhanov, veterans of the Alpha and Vympel groups took part in the forum. If in 2009 a representative of D. Volodin told me that support for state activities of military-patriotic clubs is not relevant ("it is not known who the graduates of the clubs will vote for"), then now the change of "Military-patriotic clubs of Russia" has been carried out for the first time. Well, as for GCD, the main thing is that the guys believe in what they are doing, and not just engaged in money laundering and reporting ...
        I respect Putin. But I’m not going to make a god out of him ... And I don’t advise others ...
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 19 August 2013 22: 32 New
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          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          and reports ...
          I respect Putin. But I’m not going to make a god out of him ... And I don’t advise others ...

          And what did you swear to him ?. I swore an oath to the Soviet Motherland and remain faithful to the oath, but he also swore an oath to the Soviet Motherland, but he violated the oath, how is it?
  20. saag
    saag 19 August 2013 17: 03 New
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    Quote: Axelroad
    How many trolls are there, however ... everyone who wants to understand what is happening in the country and the world, whether Russia is really occupied or not, to get an idea of ​​Putin - should watch Fedorov’s videos, read Starikov’s books, watch Karaulov’s film “Unknown Putin”, at least otherwise it’s all empty idle talk ...

    And you can read the works of V.I. Lenin :-) "Capital" of Karl Marx is also relevant
  21. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 19 August 2013 18: 42 New
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EhV9TBW06Ps
  22. valokordin
    valokordin 19 August 2013 22: 28 New
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    Well, they ruined the lake, and why not be screaming with these lures "Lenin, the party, Gorbachev!