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Armata - a prototype of an armored combat transformer

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Armata - a prototype of an armored combat transformer

Nevertheless, they promise to present the Armata project at the Nizhny Tagil arms exhibition Russia Arms Expo - 2013 in September. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin announced at the end of last week that the first prototypes tank the new generation Armata has already been manufactured by the Uralvagonzavod concern. Although two months ago, the plant’s director general Oleg Sienko spoke firmly about the impossibility of showing promising development at the exhibition.


The explanation was given this: "Armata" will not be presented at this event. Do you think it is possible to make the secret development public? We ultimately work at home, not at uncle. " However, many experts then expressed the opinion that in fact the refusal to roll out a new car for inspection is explained by the unreadiness of at least one experienced or even a prototype model. And now the Deputy Prime Minister, who oversees the defense industry, said that several prototypes of this technology had been manufactured. Rogozin supplemented his message with such a remark: "This is perhaps the best that exists in the world in terms of heavy armored vehicles."

Confirmed strict observance of the timing of the creation of "Almaty" and technical tasks presented to the developers by the military. This is not just a new tank, it is a heavy tracked platform, which using modular structures will be converted from a tank into a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, into an evacuation vehicle, or into the Terminator - a tank support combat vehicle, into an artillery system or an air defense system. In connection with the use for various purposes, the platform may have a front or rear location of the power plant. Under the purely tank version of the machine is a new 125-mm artillery ammunition. The crew will be located in a separate armored capsule and "not in the tower." According to Rogozin, managed to create a unique thing. True, in connection with the secrecy of the development, the Deputy Prime Minister nevertheless clarified: “This will be a closed show, only for the country's leadership.”
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  1. experienced
    experienced 16 August 2013 11: 35 New
    24
    Nevertheless, they promise to present the Armata project at the Nizhny Tagil arms exhibition Russia Arms Expo - 2013 in September.

    Insanity was strong wassat Can tell fortunes on a camomile: "Show, not show, show ..."?
    However, in connection with the secrecy of the development, the Deputy Prime Minister nevertheless clarified: “This will be a private show, only for the country's leadership.”

    Isn't it easier to bring the country's leadership to the "Armata" than to take samples of "Armata" to the exhibition to be shown to the management? request
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 16 August 2013 11: 44 New
      20
      Quote: seasoned
      However, in connection with the secrecy of the development, the Deputy Prime Minister nevertheless clarified: “This will be a private show, only for the country's leadership.”

      Damn, the wolfs ropes from my nerves are twisting, already either show everyone, or not knowing the people nerves to wind ......
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 16 August 2013 11: 54 New
        12
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Damn, the wolfs ropes from my nerves are twisting, already either show everyone, or not knowing the people nerves to wind ......


        It’s good to moan, I wasn’t invited either ... laughing

        However, in connection with the secrecy of the development, the Deputy Prime Minister nevertheless clarified: “This will be a private show, only for the country's leadership.”
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 16 August 2013 13: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          It’s good to moan, they didn’t invite me either ..

          Rogozin would not "make a noise" ...

          If they didn’t call, it means there is something to show, but not to the whole world, and even to the nervous citizens of their own country.
          1. elmi
            elmi 16 August 2013 14: 07 New
            +3
            Under the purely tank version of the machine, a new 125-mm artillery ammunition is made.

            And at first they said that the gun of the armata would be 135 or 152 mm request It is a pity that we did not dare to switch to a more powerful weapon.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 16 August 2013 16: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Tartary
            Rogozin would not "make a noise" ...

            If they didn’t call, it means there is something to show, but not to the whole world, and even to the nervous citizens of their own country.

            Thanks! Reassured. Even the TEC has stopped belay
    2. Joker
      Joker 16 August 2013 11: 49 New
      +6
      It is interesting to me why the Americans show their whole, but our secrets are covered up? Who needs this, and so everyone knows. Bred what that. I understand that some kind of software is not put on public display, but a tank!
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 16 August 2013 12: 15 New
        11
        Quote: Joker
        It is interesting to me why the Americans show their whole, but our secrets are covered up? Who needs this, and so everyone knows. Bred what that. I understand that some kind of software is not put on public display, but a tank!

        What is incomprehensible here is our alternative to the "Flying Gollanets", everyone claims that it exists, but no one has seen it. Oleg, hi !
        1. experienced
          experienced 16 August 2013 12: 18 New
          +9
          Quote: Tersky
          What is incomprehensible here is our alternative to the "Flying Gollanets", everyone claims that it exists, but no one has seen it. Oleg, !

          Hi Victor hi The new Russian technology of invisibility "Hat-invisible" did not fall smile
          1. VAF
            VAF 16 August 2013 14: 16 New
            +6
            Quote: seasoned
            The new Russian technology of invisibility "Hat-invisible" did not fall


            So in the series "DMB" for a long time ... "burned" laughing Do you remember about .... "gopher" wink drinks
            1. experienced
              experienced 16 August 2013 14: 18 New
              +4
              Quote: vaf
              So in the series "DMB" for a long time ... "burned" Do you remember about .... "gopher

              Hi, Serge hi But really it has become a classic wassat
              1. VAF
                VAF 16 August 2013 14: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: seasoned
                But really it has become a classic


                Lesha, what has become a classic .. it's normal .... there are still normal screenwriters and directors good

                But the fact that this is becoming ... reality ... this is completely .. sad .... okay, we won’t reveal secrets ... they said .. lumin, means .. lumin !!! Will wait! lol

                And then there, down below. One forum member wrote, here Putin watched the T-50 and did ... but just did and how ..... is silent lol , well, yes ... the Commander-in-Chief said. on the ICG in the last decade .. means the ICG ..... fellow crying belay request recourse
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 30 New
                  +2
                  Sergey, welcome. Can you tell me how you are doing with two more sides of the T-50? And then, they are silent for something .... Will they fly this year?
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 16 August 2013 14: 52 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Sergey, welcome. Can you tell me how you are doing with two more T-50 sides?


                    Hi Denis!

                    I answered you by the way yesterday. It’s supposedly that you don’t hear about the deck Penguin ... but you didn’t see it. recourse

                    About the T-50 just recently everything was told (in the article about the Boldyrev State Historical Museum).
                    1. This year, only the 055th plan to raise at the end of August, but most likely September October .... since .... bully

                    better here is photo 052 ... getting ready for MAX ... see ... everything is visible and draw conclusions yourself wink



                    like that, it's bigger, otherwise the "uryakalka" will say again ... fotozhaba wassat

                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 16 August 2013 15: 36 New
                      +3
                      I beg your pardon, dear vaf, but as an absolute layman in aviation, I will ask - what is in the photo you have given that should not be liked by "uryakalka"?
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 16 August 2013 15: 52 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        What is in the photo you have given that should not be liked by "uryakalka"?


                        Dear Albert! The answer is very simple ... take an early photo of 052 in Google, or even better a factory one (without painting) and compare with the current ones.



                        Google .. now everything is there, at what stages of LCI 052 was used and here's your answer.
                        In what cases reinforcing pads appear almost everywhere and what exactly preceded their appearance ..... and the answer is so simple that ... wink
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 16 August 2013 15: 41 New
                      +1
                      Thanks for the photo. But actually I don’t see anything special. request Composite paneling?
                      PS I read your comment. We will know.
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 16 August 2013 15: 56 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        But actually I don’t see anything special. request Composite paneling?


                        So for sure ... there were composites, it became a duralumin, and so ... nothing special belay except that ..... bully

                        Now, freshly painted, but the lining is still visible ... look right in the center of the photo (such good ... lining recourse ).

                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 16 August 2013 16: 01 New
                        +1
                        Is it good or bad? Composites seem to be easier, but repairing them (tfu-tfu-tfu) is more difficult.
                      3. VAF
                        VAF 16 August 2013 16: 27 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Is it good or bad?


                        And in what cases reinforce the design? And what does it .. lead to? wink
                        Why a question to a question ... you yourself understand .. "how much" is a topic .. about the T-50 .. and so .. it seems to be .. "reasoning" lol
                      4. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 16 August 2013 16: 36 New
                        +2
                        And in what cases reinforce the design? And what does it .. lead to?

                        Well ... modern composites can argue with strength with many metal alloys. smile The question is at the specific place of application. And so, I understood the question. wink
                      5. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 05 New
                        +2
                        And what to discuss poorly worked out the 1st 50ku which they drove to the power stand
                      6. VAF
                        VAF 16 August 2013 17: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        And what to discuss poorly worked out the 1st 50ku which they drove to the power stand


                        So the fact of the matter is that the T-50, which is at the KNS in the SibNII, does not reveal any such "kink" parameters .. .. composites, after all, but in the air bully
                      7. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 15 New
                        +3
                        So the fact of the matter is that the T-50, which is at the KNS in the SibNII, does not reveal any such "kink" parameters .. .. composites, after all, but in the air

                        So there is a Russian proverb.
                        I would know where to drop the straw would lay.
                      8. VAF
                        VAF 16 August 2013 17: 26 New
                        +3
                        Quote: leon-iv

                        So there is a Russian proverb.
                        I would know where to drop the straw would lay.


                        So they probably forgot about her and are not aware that in the process of testing, they are carried out for this purpose and identified ..... miscalculations, shortcomings, etc. .. for this they do PROTOTYPES and experience, and they have a blunder language ... to ... the eleventh year in service ... to such and such a decade at the state test ... and you can’t do it .... here m..di ... doprikazyvatsya (pah-pah. that would do not jinx it)!

                        And right away ... help a Russian man who, with the help of a hammer and ... some kind of mother ... will do everything.! recourse

              2. leon-iv
                leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 04 New
                +2
                They cannot be repaired. Composites change nodes immediately and as a whole. But given the global 3d revolution. Replicators are closer than they seem to us.
              3. VAF
                VAF 16 August 2013 17: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: leon-iv
                They cannot be repaired. Composites change nodes immediately and entirely


                +! drinks

                And yet .. recently watched a movie? wink Well ..... I'm talking about composites? bully

              4. leon-iv
                leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 29 New
                0
                And yet .. recently watched a movie? wink well ..... I'm talking about composites?

                In my cue, the main thing is the second. Namely, the 3D revolution. For replicators are just around the corner. And this is a completely different world. But more about that another time.
              5. Wedmak
                Wedmak 16 August 2013 17: 37 New
                +1
                Namely 3D revolution.

                As soon as they learn to print with metal, a breakthrough is ensured. The first tanks were also ... cars with armor and tracks.
              6. leon-iv
                leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 47 New
                +1
                don't tell me. The so-called centers of competence are already engaged in molecular displacement. And it is not strange in Russia there are 5 of them. and this is really not enough, for example, in China there are 10t.
              7. The comment was deleted.
            2. VAF
              VAF 16 August 2013 17: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: leon-iv
              In my cue, the main thing is the second. Namely, the 3D revolution.


              Well, that already ... without me recourse

            3. leon-iv
              leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 49 New
              +1
              Don’t say it. Without this, humanity cannot survive on the ball.
              gyy even remembered the unforgettable Sheckley with his necessary thing.
            4. pensioner
              pensioner 16 August 2013 18: 47 New
              0
              Quote: leon-iv
              A necessary thing.

              Is it a configurator or something? When did they make wrenches of gold-platinum? I read for a long time, thanks, reminded, otherwise I started to forget. Sheckley love! It would be necessary to re-read.
  2. novobranets
    novobranets 16 August 2013 17: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    Composites seem easier, but repairing them

    ALLOWED TO POLYMERS laughing
  3. leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 02 New
    +3
    And what? Overlays eventually change to composites.
    Ali in Russian will be painted in 4 layers with special paint
  4. VAF
    VAF 16 August 2013 17: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: leon-iv
    And what? Overlays eventually change to composites.


    Smiled ... lol !+ drinks Only with us ... with accuracy, but on the contrary, bye!
    And it seems to be on the GSI .. gathered .. or did I misunderstand Bondarev? wink

    Quote: leon-iv
    Ali in Russian will be painted in 4 layers with special paint


    And for this in general .. a huge PLUSE fellow And without rivets .. on glues .. will plant wassat because the fifth generation of tea wink
  5. leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 12 New
    +3
    And yet without rivets .. on glues .. willsat plant after all fifth generation tea

    laugh laugh I saw glue that holds better rivets. Especially if it is correctly applied, the adhesion is crazy.
  6. VAF
    VAF 16 August 2013 17: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: leon-iv
    laugh laugh I saw glue that holds better rivets. Especially if it is correctly applied,


    This is how much it will need .. this .. glue lol



    And to strenghtists what ... to hang themselves? wassat
  7. leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 50 New
    +1
    Not so much. But then fuck. unstick)))
  • experienced
    experienced 16 August 2013 14: 31 New
    +6
    Quote: vaf
    And then there, down below. One forum member wrote, here Putin watched the T-50 and did ... but they just did and how ..... is silent, but yes ... the Commander-in-Chief said. .. means the ICG ...


    Well, we have the mentality of believing in the king’s priest and believing everything that is said on the screen and in the newspapers, in general, everything is as before
    On the outskirts of the village
    Sparrow e ... t rook,
    This is a personal merit,
    Leonid Ilyich laughing

    PS By the way, something Sparrow on the site for a long time not visible laughing
    1. VAF
      VAF 16 August 2013 15: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      PS By the way, something Sparrow on the site for a long time not visible


      Maybe he went to the seas ... it's hot here with us ...., well, if with my mother ... or ... then in general .. before the cold weather and ... do not wait, perhaps wink

  • Tartary
    Tartary 16 August 2013 18: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Joker
    It is interesting to me why the Americans show their whole, but our secrets are covered up? Who needs this, and so everyone knows. Bred what that. I understand that some kind of software is not put on public display, but a tank!

    You are rather very young, Joker, and this can be seen in the slightly ajar slots of your visor ...
    Or pretending?
    Amers show what could be sold like any bullshit to bullshit "associates" ...
    Russian bullshit to do in the string ... But often slips ...)))

    Decide what’s more precious to you — Russian bullshit or Amer’s bullshit and their slurry ??
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 16 August 2013 21: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: Joker
    It is interesting to me why the Americans show their whole, but our secrets are covered up? Who needs this, and so everyone knows. Bred what that. I understand that some kind of software is not put on public display, but a tank!


    This is our national trait - we are secreting so that our main thing is not known :)
  • Tartary
    Tartary 17 August 2013 17: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Joker
    It is interesting to me why the Americans show their whole, but our secrets are covered up? Who needs this, and so everyone knows. Bred what that. I understand that some kind of software is not put on public display, but a tank!

    Joker, go graze the geese ...
    Together with nixon and s_mirnovym ...
    Take someone on the list, grab yourself.
  • S-200
    S-200 16 August 2013 11: 56 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    It is not easier to bring the country's leadership to "Armata" than to take samples of "Armata" to the exhibition to be shown to the management

    Alas! it’s easier to bring SSBNs to the Kremlin to show than to bring the country's leadership somewhere ... even in their native country negative
  • Tersky
    Tersky 16 August 2013 12: 03 New
    +7
    Quote: seasoned
    Can tell fortunes on a camomile: "Show, not show, show ..."?

    Alex, hi ! The nursery rhyme does not remind you - "I have polka-dot shorts, I won't show anyone ..." Another secret info - To show examples of transformation, in addition to the country's leadership, David Copperfield was invited to the presentation of "Armata". wink
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 16 August 2013 12: 09 New
      0
      It is not clear why such secrecy, and the government will be shown - consider the presentation in the white house)). So to be Armata or not to be, how much can you chew?
  • ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 16 August 2013 12: 41 New
    +3
    They will show, but to the knees, and what is higher - for the money!
  • rolik
    rolik 16 August 2013 13: 01 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Insanity grew stronger. Can tell fortunes on a chamomile: "Show, not show, show ..."?

    The Cockerel praises Kukuk for praising the Cockerel.
    Show already the tank, have been waiting for a long time. The people want spectacles, and we will buy bread for ourselves. Stop talking more talkatively.
  • eplewke
    eplewke 16 August 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    yeah, when they show! ??? The people have already heard all. T-90SM just did not take into service, as if waiting for armature. At least one eye would have a look. Still, we are Russians - still a tank power ...
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 16 August 2013 18: 49 New
    0
    I look forward to ARMATU good
  • yanus
    yanus 16 August 2013 11: 39 New
    -16 qualifying.
    Quote: seasoned
    In connection with the use for different purposes, the platform may have a front or rear location of the power plant.

    Straight bisexual tank, some kind of tin))))
  • nirab
    nirab 16 August 2013 11: 43 New
    +7
    The word Homeland, like Rogozin, is written with a capital letter ... We were so taught ...
  • Sirs
    Sirs 16 August 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    All the same, they will show the duck and the tank is still unprepared according to the schedule. But I hope that things are not so, and the project is ready for all positions according to the schedule.
  • alone
    alone 16 August 2013 11: 45 New
    0
    It looks just pretty solid.
    1. avt
      avt 16 August 2013 11: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: lonely
      It looks just pretty solid.

      Where have you seen? Tell me, very knowers would like to see.
      1. alone
        alone 16 August 2013 12: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Where have you seen?


        I about the photo above)) it is impossible to see what is not yet hi
  • Denis
    Denis 16 August 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    Armata is like a ghost ship, everyone just talks about it ...
    1. afire
      afire 16 August 2013 12: 58 New
      +1
      and believe ...
      let’s wait so his shuffle fellow
      he’s not going anywhere from the service soldier
  • My address
    My address 16 August 2013 11: 50 New
    0
    As children say - well, at least one eye! And basic data. I hope that the quality race is no less than from T-64 to 90.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 16 August 2013 12: 01 New
      0
      Quote: My address
      I hope that the quality leap is no less than from the T-64 to the 90th.

      I was disappointed that the caliber of the gun has not changed, they wrote that they left 125m .. strange, such a powerful platform is being done, God himself ordered the gun to be put more powerful. Of course, the plus is that the compatibility is preserved with the old ammunition, but then what is the point in the new tank if the armament is the same, and all the electronics can be hung on the T-72 ..
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 16 August 2013 12: 22 New
        +5
        But what does the caliber have to do with it? if you are talking about penetration, there are several ways to increase it. one of them is to increase the caliber, but this creates a lot of problems. you need to review the entire tower structure, strengthen it.

        The second option for increasing BB is exactly the one that is described in the article:
        "
        Under the purely tank version of the machine is a new 125-mm artillery ammunition
        "

        125mm is enough. If you follow your logic, then what can we say about NATO standards 120mm ???

        in general, we are waiting and drooling ...
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 16 August 2013 13: 14 New
          0
          Quote: silver_roman
          The second option for increasing BB is exactly the one that is described in the article:

          If in the future they will make ammunition based on new physical principles, then they may not meet the 125mm
          NATO has 120mm, but who says that on promising MBT samples they won’t make it big?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 22 New
            0
            If in the future they will make ammunition based on new physical principles, then they may not meet the 125mm

            And they’re already doing it. Some kind of electrochemical shots. The detonation speed is greater, the initial velocity of the projectile is almost 1.5 times greater, if I am not mistaken.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 16 August 2013 16: 53 New
              +1
              Yes. I heard something like that. but they are more experimenting not with the projectile, but with its flight paths, i.e. the principle of action. here is an interesting form of shelling the t-72:

              At first glance, it can be seen that the projectile works in directional direction, and besides, based on the fact that the T-72 detached the tower, this looks like an explosion of an ammunition shell, but did they really experiment on a tank with full ammunition ??? any questions. and yet the system is interesting. If you take the same Javelin, then the shot falls on the armor section of the tank, where its armor thickness is minimal. Here, another principle is already applied.
              Although I won’t be surprised if this is some kind of duck!
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 16 August 2013 17: 11 New
                +1
                Interesting video, if not fake of course. A directional explosion, moreover perpendicular to the direction of flight - an impact core? And the tank, it’s kind of like with a DZ on the tower. And he is tearing it to shreds .... What kind of ammunition is this?
                but did they really experiment on a tank with full ammunition ???

                Strange of course. But even so, it struck the top of the tower easily and not forcibly, reached the bottom (BK?) And undermined it.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 16 August 2013 17: 26 New
                  +1
                  Well, the t-72 has a loading drum, in fact, the BC is the weak point of our tanks.
                  Here is a sample picture:
                  in any case, the conclusions are that our potential enemies are working on weapons of destruction of modern MBT. Here you need to either try to change the layout of the tank, which is extremely difficult, expensive and time-consuming, or create, in contrast, a new generation of active protection. It seems like "Afghanit" promises to be extremely promising.
              2. Alex Nick
                Alex Nick 16 August 2013 23: 18 New
                +3
                Good tale. The projectile is spinning in flight, and to direct the explosion in the right direction is how? It seems that the tank is undermined from the inside.
                1. S-200
                  S-200 18 August 2013 10: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alex Nick
                  Good tale. The projectile is spinning in flight, and to direct the explosion in the right direction is how?

                  Perhaps on the projectile (ATGM) several detonators are installed, which are located along the "equator" of the warhead, the one that, when approaching, will be in the right direction, is triggered ...
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 16 August 2013 16: 51 New
            +1
            well probability always exists. But as history shows, attempts to increase the caliber of the main MBT weapon have already been undertaken. By the way, the British seem to have moved farthest than everyone else, but nothing went further than the prototype. The Germans also had options. Rheinmetal experimented with the current Leopard gun. just took and made more caliber. the result is the same: everything remained in the archive and on the prototype.
            Just making a larger caliber means moving to new production sites is an extremely expensive pleasure. This and a separate NATO country will not do this, only together with the whole kagal, but not everyone will be able to draw such an innovation, given the state of their economies.
            So it seems to me that only amers can try something and no more. On the armature, it would be good to develop a new ATGM.
          3. novobranets
            novobranets 16 August 2013 17: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: DEfindER

            If in the future they will make ammunition based on new physical principles, then they may not meet the 125mm

            In the late eighties, the journal "Foreign Military Review" published about working with liquid propellants, two and three components. The closer drives the projectile into the barrel, the lock is closed and just before the shot, the nozzles are injected into the breech of the ZhMV. But further silence. Did anything work out of this venture? Nobody heard? I would be grateful for the info. hi
      2. Jin
        Jin 16 August 2013 14: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: DEfindER
        I was disappointed that the caliber of the gun has not changed, they wrote that they left 125m .. strange, such a powerful platform is being done, God himself ordered the gun to be put more powerful


        125mm is also not an ishrushka, it is even more important that a new shell is sculpted, especially for it. One should not do without a "chip".
      3. Genry
        Genry 16 August 2013 16: 16 New
        0
        Quote: DEfindER
        Of course, the plus is that compatibility is preserved with old ammunition

        This is doubtful! Surely the new weapon will have unitary shells. They used to have separate loading: projectile and charge. But the length of the projectile is not enough to accommodate a longer and heavier "arrow". So, we are waiting for a new weapon, an automatic loader (I remember the "Black Eagle") and a set of shells.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 16 August 2013 12: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: My address
      As children say - well, at least one eye! And basic data. I hope that the quality race is no less than from T-64 to 90.


      You missed the T-72, which was exactly the "progenitor" of the T-90.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 16 August 2013 15: 43 New
        +1
        And what does the T-72? He, unlike the T-64, was not a revolution, but was a successful attempt to make a mass tank out of a successful, but complex and expensive car.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 16 August 2013 11: 52 New
    +4
    Do we have anyone from the country's leadership registered? laughing Whatever first-hand, otherwise the journalist will write wassat
    1. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 11: 53 New
      12
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Do we have anyone from the country's leadership registered? Whatever first-hand, otherwise the journalist will write

      Putin under the nickname S_mirnov wassat
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 16 August 2013 12: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        Putin under the nickname S_mirnov

        Alexei, good day, you have to ask for political asylum crying lol
        1. experienced
          experienced 16 August 2013 12: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: Bort Radist
          good day, you have to ask for political asylum

          Bugaga, I will be anti-Snowden and the boot will be hiding at the Baltimore airport in the transit zone, and you will write comments about me here wassat The State Department will go broke for me to buy Russian vodka, Whiskey can sometimes be consumed on the hunt, but I prefer to "get rich" with a domestic "product" drinks
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 16 August 2013 13: 12 New
      0
      Comrade Mechanic in the subject, but something hasn’t been seen lately. He once wrote about shelling of Almaty with blanks
      1. experienced
        experienced 16 August 2013 13: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: silver_roman
        but lately something is not visible to him.

        Works from morning till night. Recently we talked, it is clear that the person is "overwhelmed" by work ... Honor and praise to him, for the fact that not sparing himself "Motherland's shield" hi
        At work, he plows like a damned one, he goes to the site and then some ghoul starts to "drink juices" from him. It is necessary to be somehow more respectful to worthy members of the forum, otherwise some "talkers" will remain, like me hi
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 16 August 2013 17: 52 New
          +1
          It is necessary, as it is respectful to worthy forum users to treat

          and who dared to express his disrespect ??? find, catch, shoot ;-)
      2. vilenich
        vilenich 16 August 2013 15: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: silver_roman
        Comrade Mechanic in the subject, but something hasn’t been seen lately. He once wrote about shelling of Almaty with blanks

        Apparently after his revelations comrade The mechanic will not appear on the site soon ... wink
        I read the comments to the end, I take my words back, because comrade The mechanic clarified the situation. I wish him and the whole team further success in the development and creation of new BT models.
        1. experienced
          experienced 16 August 2013 15: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          Apparently after his revelations comrade The mechanic will not appear on the site soon ...

          A thread of comments in the bastard to read or the main thing to post, and there "the grass does not grow." The mechanic was on the site, in this thread he left a comment at 14.48
          So sometimes it's better to keep silent than to publicly fart in a puddle fool
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 16 August 2013 15: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            So sometimes it's better to keep silent than to publicly fart in a puddle

            Actually, I did just that, and after reading the comments to the end, I publicly took my words back.
            So what can really be better sometimes to keep silent ...
        2. VAF
          VAF 16 August 2013 15: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: vilenich
          Apparently after his revelations


          What about you, the same with "affairs" on this topic and can you "share" something? Or besides "urya" ....... everything lol
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 16 August 2013 15: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            Or besides "urya" ....... everything

            And where did you see it in my commentary?
            I’m not scoring points for myself!
            And it’s really interesting for me, as an old tankman, to read Comrade’s comments Mechanics.
            1. VAF
              VAF 16 August 2013 15: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: vilenich
              And where did you see it in my commentary?


              This is already so ... "on autopilot" ... if criticizing the truth, then it can only be .. "uryakalki", so .... I beg your pardon hi

              Quote: vilenich
              And it’s really interesting for me, as an old tankman, to read Comrade’s comments Mechanics.


              And here is only +! drinks And by the way, in the very first comment, well, where about "urya", there is the same .. + from me! wink So no offense ... drinks
              1. vilenich
                vilenich 16 August 2013 15: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: vaf
                And by the way, in the very first comment, well, where about "urya", there is the same .. + from me!

                I saw, thanks, no offense. Without a subsequent amendment, my first post is really absurd, especially after I read the thread to the end and saw the comments. Mechanics.
                Of course, I would like to know more about how things are with Armata, but on the other hand it’s scary to provoke him too, so, God forbid, he made trouble for his revelations with us.
                Something like this ...
                1. VAF
                  VAF 16 August 2013 15: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: vilenich
                  but on the other hand it’s scary to provoke him too, so that, God forbid, he made trouble for his revelations with us.
                  Something like this ...


                  Life experience in military service and a very "competent approach to ... problem-interest" good
                  Only +! soldier
                  1. vilenich
                    vilenich 16 August 2013 16: 35 New
                    +2
                    Interestingly enough, Gur Khan commented on the mechanic's post:
                    "Mekhannik" has nothing to do with the plant or the design bureau, but what is interesting, today he says almost everything as it is. Indeed, it is not yet known whether Armata will be shown. I can not avoid a scandal in the fall. After all, if they do not show it, it must be somehow motivated and justified. And if they do show, then I don't think that the big guys will like it. Although they piz..t no get used to - I'm making faces with bricks and all the chiki-spades. In general, it will be necessary to follow what after the exhibition with personnel in the KB will be ...
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 16 August 2013 17: 52 New
                      +4
                      Quote: vilenich
                      Interestingly enough, Gur Khan commented on the mechanic's post:
                      Well, rude, stupid, but on the topic. There will be no MBT 25 numbers.
  • fluke
    fluke 16 August 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    All this is suspicious. If there was anything to show in full size, they would have already shown under a tarp, some bad resolution pictures and so on.
    The platform is of course being built, but I have doubts about what I will do in the indicated time frame. A couple of years to wait, I feel. And about the samples on her base earlier than 5 years later I would not have expected at all.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 August 2013 11: 59 New
    +6
    You want to troll the Mechanic, write in his post 10 words Armata.)))))))
    1. Srgsoap
      Srgsoap 16 August 2013 12: 41 New
      0
      100 +++++++ in the bullseye, I haven’t laughed like that for a long time,
    2. afire
      afire 16 August 2013 13: 01 New
      0
      we have an asymmetric answer to this
      1. afire
        afire 16 August 2013 13: 06 New
        0
        and then cyber attack
    3. Armata
      Armata 16 August 2013 17: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      Tite Troll Mechanics write in his post 10 the words Armata.)))))))
      Here you are the infection of Komrad. laughing drinks
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 16 August 2013 19: 01 New
        +5
        good friday i'm on edge s
        S / ex & Drugs & Rock & Roll
  • agbykov
    agbykov 16 August 2013 12: 23 New
    +2
    In Soviet times, even its appearance was a secret for new technology, which they tried to keep for as long as possible. I think that for Almaty, there is no need to rush.
    1. max702
      max702 16 August 2013 14: 03 New
      +2
      Yeah, and for testing, the proving grounds "Armata" are driven through secret underground ranges, there are also underground shooting ranges, underground water barriers and also mountainous underground terrain .. so that the adversary does not see, with the current development of satellite surveillance equipment, all this pseudo-secrecy to chickens is ridiculed here in the rank of lieutenant colonel, footage from Google about the war on 08.08.08 (knocked out armored vehicles, places of the database), he was shocked, asked to show one part in the suburbs ... having identified the chief's car there, he became completely sad, so about this machine (if there is one ) the enemy has known a lot for a long time.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 34 New
        0
        Well, if everything was so simple, long ago there would have been open access pictures of a blurry shadow with the silhouette of a tank. Only now nothing is visible ... neither from satellites, nor from shpienov bloggers ...
        1. max702
          max702 16 August 2013 16: 12 New
          0
          Well, you answered the second part around all this mystery and hype, everything is simple "- The King is naked!" (There is nothing), and therefore no sea trials were carried out, there was no tank shelling (although some here again wrote that the shelling of the hull carried out), that is, at best, a full-sized model made of plasticine.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 16 August 2013 16: 23 New
            +2
            And I did not say that there is nothing ...
            The shelling was carried out by blanks, the mechanic confirmed. Received very good results. Those. at least there is already a prototype in the armor. As for the engine, I do not remember exactly, but it seems to be there too. Nothing is known by electronics and LMS. As well as for everything else, except for the caliber of the gun. But in terms of the gun it’s towards the tower, and with the tower everything is also muddy.
            That is, in the end: there is something, something is missing or is being finalized. And if the appearance is so secret, then they will pull to the last. When a tank tower, a cannon, and other complexes already appear, then they will be shown to the public.
            1. max702
              max702 16 August 2013 22: 16 New
              0
              You didn’t understand me too much, I meant all these games with "secrecy" are ridiculous. I wrote above about the technical ability to fix the shelling with blanks and running trials (if there were any), here on the site someone competently wrote that at the first exit all the rivets and the length of the welds on the body were recounted, and according to the cast shadow, the angles and proportions unit (in the age of digital technologies this is not difficult), but the scenario is more likely that after what has been going on with us in the last decades, sent Cossacks sent their probable friends the test results much earlier than the engineer received a report on these tests.
  • Fedych
    Fedych 16 August 2013 12: 25 New
    -2
    The feeling that somewhere somewhere there is a dirty joke and it’s only stuffing its price. It, there is another option, a cat in a bag for a hare. Would there be serious secrecy? - and keep your mouth shut and cover it with a mitt! - But no, barking, a long-trained mongrel and threatening to tear everyone to pieces. So he understands the clever - someone impatience, someone laugh, you can understand both sides.
  • Zubr
    Zubr 16 August 2013 12: 25 New
    +1
    wink lol Everyone is rubbing their hands, "AND EVERYONE WILL SHOW LIKE" ... wink They will show, of course, only not what goes into the series. How, at one time, dummies were taken out to Red Square and armadas of bombers flew at foreign delegations .. lol That's right ... and this grief for reporters, we need to bite our tongues and prepare a massive DESA for our potential friends. To boast early. And I think this machine in the future will be a shock therapy for Geyropa and Mattresses. Just think about it during the Second World War, our tank builders managed to hone the technology of producing bearings for rollers so much that they were practically eternal. What did the German fail, and our T-72 and T-80? .... hi
  • surveyor
    surveyor 16 August 2013 12: 33 New
    +1
    Will wait. drinks
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 16 August 2013 12: 33 New
    +7
    I’ll look, small offended boys gathered here. And all-knowing. I don’t like that I won’t show, I don’t like that they will show not what they want. That, damn it, tells where the leadership of the country to go, and where not to go and what to carry ... Do you take a lot on yourself?

    The country's leadership is doing everything right. Spins Armata, interest in the new tank according to all the laws of the genre. Well done.
  • vitas
    vitas 16 August 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    Putin followed the T-50, they did it, now let him follow the armature, they will do it too !!! It is logical that the tank will not be shown to everyone, according to Rogozin, this is a fundamentally new platform, therefore it is secret.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 16 August 2013 13: 00 New
    +3
    And I muddied myself tickets to the exhibition !!! Armaments in Nizhny Tagil, ba ba ba
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 16 August 2013 13: 16 New
    +3
    Have patience ... Let them show the leadership.

    And let us show 100 new intercontinental missiles with thermonuclear warheads under 500kt. aimed at unfriendly countries.
  • Simon
    Simon 16 August 2013 13: 22 New
    +1
    My opinion is that the designers have several versions of the "Armata". Most likely they will discuss with military specialists which is better. That's why they don't show it. Well, what will we wait for when they show it, it's still interesting to see. yes
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 16 August 2013 13: 33 New
      +3
      The show is not military, but the country's leadership, in this situation, the country's leadership will decide which option to choose? smacks of Khrushchev.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 24 New
      0
      My opinion is that the designers have several versions of the "Armata".

      Perhaps you `re right. But the options of Armata are not like platforms (with a case it’s as though they’ve already decided), but layouts for various purposes. Yes, and there is evidence that the tank tower did not have time for something there.
  • tun1313
    tun1313 16 August 2013 13: 31 New
    0
    Well, for example, DAM was shown a piece of plastic with stickers and said that our first megapupersmartfok which! ... correctly, has no world analogs! They’ll also show it. :) Yes, God shot with a show, would have given birth to a typewriter.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 16 August 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    In no hurry, yes. Empty West a little nervous. Unknown it is worse than visual. But to the Olympics - here you are not weak.
  • Armata
    Armata 16 August 2013 14: 48 New
    12
    Well yes in the article first prototypes there are only one of them. Show at the exhibition by order of Ragozin. Well, yes, well, yes, everything is by order and tomorrow (we will put together galvanized boxes from the boxes. laughing Insanity among idlers cannot be defeated (I ordered, I will trace) only then I will have to answer with my point of Ji. I speak as one of the project participants. There will be no MBT (even if we don't work 12 hours a day), Kurganets will show the maximum. In general, I'm tired of this topic. Let's listen to opinions from "competent" sources.
    1. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 14: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Mechanic
      You cannot defeat insanity (I ordered, I will follow) only then I will have to answer with my point of ji.

      Bugaga, Zhen, didn’t you confuse the fifth point with the fifth point? wassat Only women have a ji point, but everyone can answer with a fifth point repeat
      Quote: Mechanic
      Well, yes, well, yes, everything is by order and tomorrow (we will put together galvanized boxes from the boxes.

      C'mon, what the hell is overworked, programmers in 3D will make both a picture and a promo video
      Quote: Mechanic
      In general, I'm tired of this topic. Let's listen to opinions from "competent" sources.

      Lenta.ru? winked
      1. Armata
        Armata 16 August 2013 15: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Lenta.ru?
        Darova. We have our own competent specialists on the site)))))))))) We’ll see, on Tuesday, I will tell the guys in Tagil on Tuesday, again on friendly.
        1. VAF
          VAF 16 August 2013 15: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: Mechanic
          Let’s see, on Tuesday, I will tell the guys in Tagil on Tuesday, again on Friday.


          Hi Zhenya! drinks As they say .. "a similar case was in Odessa ... laughing ".
          So, the other day there was an article about the tail and Poghosyan, so there one ardent "counting" told such "fairy tales" about full briefcases (maybe pants lol ) orders and proto that everything in general fellow

          I’m telling him .. I’m flying to Moscow on a pony, I’ll just be at the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation, I’ll tell the guys .. let them whisper a little, otherwise I don’t know.

          But he could not resist .. phoned yesterday, told .. so they laughed for about 15 minutes, everything could not calm down ... and they said. that "joke for all 5 points drinks".

          well, I told them. I'll tell you so much so much that ... you won't carry it away and the work will end ... there will be no time to fly, one "laugh" will remain! wassat
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 16 August 2013 15: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Mechanic
      Let's listen to opinions from "competent" sources.

      Good afternoon.
      These "sources" are scrutinized now and then. wink
      Quote: leon-iv
      You want to troll the Mechanic, write in his post 10 words Armata.)))))))

      As an example.

      Keep your tail with a gun. drinks
      1. Armata
        Armata 16 August 2013 15: 35 New
        +4
        Hi guys laughing drinks
        Quote: Papakiko
        well, I told them. I'll tell you so much so much that ... you won't carry it away and the work will end ... there will be no time to fly, one "laugh" will remain!
        Thank God that we still have children, dreamers. Maybe in 2020 on Mars we’ll arrange a colony with them.
        Quote: Papakiko
        As an example.

        Keep your tail with a gun.
        drinks it’s just funny how people quote your own words, but interpret them in their vision. As for trolling, I’m already tired of proving and writing the same thing, it gets boring.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 06 New
          +2
          Zhen you are an experienced biker.
          Yamaha dreg old or Honda Shadow?
          1. Armata
            Armata 16 August 2013 17: 30 New
            +2
            See for yourself xvs 400 cool car, and the engine is reliable. In Yamaha, the engine is revving, but you will give more for a car for repairs. So think for yourself. I'm quite happy with the Honda low-aborted, but high-torque. Hari analog of 1300 cubes. See for yourself what you need. We have a man selling a ninja 1700 cubes 89 of the year. Do you want to buy.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 16 August 2013 17: 54 New
              +2
              her Zhen, I want a chopper)) childhood dream however.
              I drove here in a pit fabulously however. I think for a year it’s enough to learn. Then I will change cubature. And I'm not a fan of high speed.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 16 August 2013 15: 18 New
    +3
    We are preparing chips and beer; in September Professor and Israeli IDF choir will perform a solo program. laughing
    1. Armata
      Armata 16 August 2013 15: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: ed65b
      In September, Professor and Choir of the Israeli IDF will perform a solo program.
      Will not be. They have long been silent about the breed on Markawa. So we’ll just laugh at the fact that in September there will be no tank, but in January-February we will laugh as they break off.
      1. bask
        bask 16 August 2013 16: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Mechanic
        will not, but in January-February we will laugh as they break off.

        Hello.
        Hryunovo, after such news.
        From the very beginning, it is not clear why to make such an ultra-expensive and complex tank (platform) ????
        Also with an uninhabited tower.
        Now it would be just right to continue the purchase of the T90, and for the battle in the city to make an assault gun with anti-ballistic armor and an inhabited tower. Cal. 152 mm and the elevation angle of the gun is not 50 degrees.
        Such babosy fall into the pipe ....
        Moreover, back in the 80s, they created the object 299, with the front location of the MTO (for armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles. A universal platform for vehicles for various purposes.
        In the second half of the 1980s. A large volume of tests was developed, manufactured, and passed to justify and select the design of the chassis chassis layout with the front MTO arrangement.
        So the technology has already been developed that brains .......
        1. Armata
          Armata 16 August 2013 17: 59 New
          +6
          Quote: bask
          From the very beginning, it is not clear why to make such an ultra-expensive and complex tank (platform) ????

          That profile is slightly lower, the combat module from the rear, that is, it’s harder to get under it. But in fact, 3 T90 is better than one Armata.
          1. bask
            bask 16 August 2013 18: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: Mechanic

            better than 3 T90 than one Armata.

            Eugene and the price of the product ,, Armata ,, - T-90, will be the same: 1/3.
            Perhaps the whole point of this product, the development of new technologies and the creation of the BTR-T / BMP-T, (I repeat) but the shots of the battles in Syria confirm that the 152 mm assault tank gun is simply necessary for battle in urban development.
            And BTR-T, to cover the infantry (2-e war in Chechnya came under the cover of armored personnel carriers).
            1. Armata
              Armata 16 August 2013 19: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: bask
              battles in Syria confirm the assault tank gun 152 mm, for the battle in urban development, is simply necessary.
              And BTR-T, to cover the infantry (2-e war in Chechnya came under the cover of armored personnel carriers).
              So then he has a basic 125 mm))))) 152 is only for self-propelled guns.
              1. svp67
                svp67 17 August 2013 18: 43 New
                +1
                Good afternoon. The question is - rollers and shock absorbers on "A" a, a T72 or T80. And is it much longer?
                1. Armata
                  Armata 17 August 2013 19: 30 New
                  0
                  Approx. 500 mm longer. The base is wider. Tagil rollers (developed on the basis of KB transmash)
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 17 August 2013 19: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    The base is wider. Tagil rollers (developed on the basis of KB transmash)

                    Half a meter is not critical, but which is wider ... Will the platform fit? And as I understand the rollers are new. And the shock absorbers "rod" or "petal"?
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 17 August 2013 19: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      And as I understand the rollers are new. And the shock absorbers "rod" or "petal"?
                      I do not know. We are not allowed into the interior. I can judge only by what I see from the outside and from the stories of engineers who are accessible to the body.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 17 August 2013 20: 00 New
                        0
                        And yet ........... Maybe they saw "out of the corner of the eye" - more like this

                        or to it
                      2. Armata
                        Armata 17 August 2013 20: 53 New
                        0
                        Yes, no one will let me get stuck there. Each has its own admission category. Although outwardly more like a torsion bar, but this is not a fact. I say what I saw from the side.
  • VAF
    VAF 16 August 2013 16: 04 New
    +9
    Quote: ed65b
    Professor will perform a solo program in September


    Well, I don’t know about you, naval, but I and the Professor are comfortable "butting" .. without any fellow and in an adult way!
    A person knows a lot, is very literate and erudite, so ..... taste and color. as they say... request
    1. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 16: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: vaf
      Well, I don’t know about you, naval, but I and the Professor feel comfortable "butting" .. without any and in an adult way! The person knows a lot, is very literate and erudite, so ..... taste and color. as they say...

      Fully join hi An adequate forum member, with an excellent CJ and a large store of knowledge, that he will not prevail against anti-Semites and immediately puts them in an emergency, so I also hate Russophobes. Here sometimes with a rabid patrite you will cross with one gyrus, there brains will boil laughing
      1. VAF
        VAF 16 August 2013 16: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        immediately brings to emergency


        Lyosha, what is an emergency like .. a panacea, so that you don't "see" and don't "get" ????
        Like .. "hid" and that's it?
        so for every ... well, are you up to date wink

        1. svp67
          svp67 17 August 2013 20: 20 New
          +1
          They also know how to "shkheritsya" ... He even does not include a sign. People are working "hung up?
      2. Armata
        Armata 16 August 2013 17: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned

        I fully join the Adequate forum member, with an excellent CJ and a large store of knowledge, that he will not prevail and immediately enter anti-Semites, so I also hate Russophobes. T
        Hey. So I communicate with people on Skype, I’ve been living in Israel for 20 years, although the Ukrainian himself collected helicopters in the scoop. And I hear a lot of adequate from him in comparing weapons. And so it is not in favor of Israel.
        1. experienced
          experienced 16 August 2013 17: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Mechanic
          So I communicate with people on Skype, I’ve been living in Israel for 20 years, although I’m a crest, I collected helicopters in a scoop. And I hear a lot from him inadequate in comparing weapons. And maybe it's not in favor of Israel.

          It was you who "burned" Igor now wassat Zhen, yesterday there was an article about "Armata", where the authors calculated how much and where they would sell it. Look, you will show it to yours, just first recommend wearing diapers, in order to avoid embarrassment. laughing
          1. Armata
            Armata 16 August 2013 17: 40 New
            +7
            Yesterday I arrived at Lech’s home in 1-30 at night, and only 160 kilo to go. Our ministers live in their dreams, but engineers and workers can after all send the type to .............................. and then come up with it yourself. Rogozin pindun storyteller. There will be nothing at any show. To hell with the fact that there will be checks with the FSB, Rosstekhnadzor, MII Heavy Engineering. But MBT will not be 25 September.
            1. Armata
              Armata 16 August 2013 18: 01 New
              +4
              And damn it. Where is Esaul with his guard?
              1. experienced
                experienced 16 August 2013 18: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: Mechanic
                And damn it. Where is Esaul with his guard?

                Bugaga, Zhenya was drawn to exploits "swing your hand, wipe your shoulder." "And give me Lyapkin-Tyapkin here" wassat
              2. bask
                bask 16 August 2013 18: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Mechanic
                And damn it. Where is Esaul with his guard?

                Probably in the same place where John3W is being treated (in a sanatorium), how many psychological injuries the poor fellow suffered ...
                I had to take off my boots .. crying wassat
    2. bask
      bask 16 August 2013 18: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: vaf
      and me and the Professor are comfortable "butting" .. without

      And not only pan..prof, but also Aron Zawi.
      But political opponents, these members of the forum were banned.
      One MET, which was worth it, although we are politically antagonistic. But I annealed to the fullest. Even the articles were shot, there was such a heat of passion.
      And now quiet, yes smooth surface, and God's grace, quiet as on a graveyard.
      It is respectable and noble ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 16 August 2013 16: 47 New
    +2
    the secret development is so secret that even our tankers will never see it
  • niecke
    niecke 16 August 2013 19: 28 New
    -1
    as I understand it, the true enemies of Russia and its people will see the first new things?! and then the US manufacturers ... after all, it is time to change the obsolete abrams ???
    1. Armata
      Armata 16 August 2013 22: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: niecke
      as I understand it, the true enemies of Russia and its people will see the first new things?! and then the US manufacturers ... after all, it is time to change the obsolete abrams ???
      Well, what helped? You are the last to know about a new project.
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 16 August 2013 19: 36 New
    +1
    No one saw Tanka, but he was tired of reading comments. I imagine what will happen when they show. All bones, i.e. flush the nuts.
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 16 August 2013 22: 58 New
    +5
    Quote: Mechanic
    Yesterday I arrived at Lech’s home in 1-30 at night, and only 160 kilo to go. Our ministers live in their dreams, but engineers and workers can after all send the type to .............................. and then come up with it yourself. Rogozin pindun storyteller. There will be nothing at any show. To hell with the fact that there will be checks with the FSB, Rosstekhnadzor, MII Heavy Engineering. But MBT will not be 25 September.

    Again, fairy tales from the "participant in the project Armata" - and when will you settle down with fairy tales?
    Everything is ready for the show — as I wrote the chassis in iron with the standard sampler (MTO-BACK) before, the armored capsule was ditched at the last moment — the crew’s workstations are equipped (according to functioning blocks that haven’t been confirmed !!) They’re even expecting sights with a thermal imager - until they layouts! BM in iron with AZ - ALL FUNCTIONS - AMMUNITION-LAYOUTS. I don’t know where you work, but only with Armata you don’t have any connection - THREE TEAMS FINISHED THE ASSEMBLY, one week ahead of schedule, right now they drive the subcontractors to replace the maximum layout units with regular ones, apparently Rogozin didn’t make a reservation about several chassis, maybe they’ll show in Static heavy BMP. - THE TRUTH IS SUSPENDING BUT WHAT THE HELL DOESN’T JOKE - THEY WERE POWED AS CARLA DADS! What is there to rassusolit almost everything has been torn since 195 and on it the main tasks were worked out by 90 percent! THE CUSTOMER WAS ONLY IN EQUIPMENT BM AND THERE ADVANCED WITHOUT ROGOZIN WE WOULD HAVE STANDED AT A BROKEN TROAT IN THE T-90 KIND WITHOUT A PERSPECTIVE TANK YES AND MUCH MORE !!
    1. Argon
      Argon 16 August 2013 23: 55 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you, dear alexpuo66, the profanism of this "radial" moderator annoys me endlessly, it is enough to look through all the comments of the "mechanic" on the armature to see how the content of its broadcast changes depending on the conjuncture of visitors' opinions, in each particular publication.
      1. Armata
        Armata 17 August 2013 16: 15 New
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        Quote: Argon
        I completely agree with you, dear alexpuo66, the profanism of this "radial" moderator annoys me endlessly, it is enough to look through all the comments of the "mechanic" on the armature to see how the content of its broadcast changes depending on the conjuncture of visitors' opinions, in each particular publication.
        It’s funny, but my comments are changing depending on what is happening at the factory.
    2. Armata
      Armata 17 August 2013 16: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: alexpro66
      with staff x sampler
      What is it with? Call a mark and displacement? Tell a house painter in general on what territory do you work and from which street do you have a checkpoint? I ask simple questions, but somehow you constantly leave quiet answers for quiet sadness. And the fact that 66 is on a nickname is not a fact that you are local. Maybe you're just a pindoon? And in general, maybe you live opposite the factory, in Galyanka laughing
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 16 August 2013 23: 21 New
    +3
    Looks like the PHOTO above - "Black Eagle" from Omsk!
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 17 August 2013 08: 53 New
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    The main thing is to write that everything in Russia is bad with the T-50 and Armata, and the popularity is in your pocket. We do not love our country. Professor even for a second homeland tears throat
  • Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 17 August 2013 09: 17 New
    +1
    I already shed a tear ... In a good sense of the word. For Russia!!!!
  • Slevinst
    Slevinst 17 August 2013 09: 55 New
    +1
    Once the armature is shown closed, then it will be possible to expect spy photos and some kind of information in the near future. really curious
  • Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 17 August 2013 10: 21 New
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    Quote: vaf
    Quote: Wedmak
    Is it good or bad?


    And in what cases reinforce the design? And what does it .. lead to? wink
    Why a question to a question ... you yourself understand .. "how much" is a topic .. about the T-50 .. and so .. it seems to be .. "reasoning" lol

    Speech about the deck option?
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 17 August 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    Damn, why bells when nothing is ready? fool
    Do it first - and then "Oppa! Surprise, gentlemen," likely opponents "!" - more sense would be.
    And then with this advertisement I feel more money is spent on a PR company than on the tank itself crying
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 17 August 2013 17: 39 New
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    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: Argon
    I completely agree with you, dear alexpuo66, the profanism of this "radial" moderator annoys me endlessly, it is enough to look through all the comments of the "mechanic" on the armature to see how the content of its broadcast changes depending on the conjuncture of visitors' opinions, in each particular publication.
    It’s funny, but my comments are changing depending on what is happening at the factory.

    Listen to the storyteller, Gurkhan correctly answered you about your attitude to Armata .. I quote
    "The mechanic has nothing to do with the plant or the design bureau, but what is interesting is that today he says almost everything as it is. Indeed, it is not known whether Armat will be shown yet. I can not avoid a scandal in the fall. And if they do show, then I don’t think that the big guys will like it. Although they piz..not get used to it - I’m making faces with bricks and all the chiki-picks. In general, you will need to follow what after the exhibition with personnel in the KB will be...
    The second part of his story pleases him because he still did not understand that you, having gotten into a lie, decided to hide behind the opinion of an authoritative but slightly biased person for Armata (by the way, he also changed his mind about Armata, but due to circumstances beyond his control, the conversation with the FSB did not give him pleasure - as a result, all his attacks on Armata) But he has a big plus, he is such visionaries, storytellers AS YOU see a mile away! At the same time, it’s funny for me to look at members of the forum who are listening to your nonsense under hypnosis and perceive them as truth! Forum users wake up, he's just a dreamer! Access to the special workshop is limited as in '37 and some kind of Mechanic there (as he says he works with test benches for something from Armata) WILL NOT BE MISSED THERE UNDER ANY EVENT! FOR IT EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIS HISTORY ABOUT THE STANDS, IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED EVEN ON THE MODE OF THE PLANT AND THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE AS IT IS INCLUDED TO STAND ONLY. IT CAN (AND NOT FACT) BE ACCEPTED IN THE SPECIAL WORKSHOP FOR INSTALLING AND CONFIGURING THE UNIT! (THIS IS ALSO LOOKING AT WHICH BLOCK !!) REALLY DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS SIMPLY TROLL-READ ITS COMMENTS ON ARMATED AND ALL YOU WILL BE CLEAR!
    1. Armata
      Armata 17 August 2013 19: 34 New
      0
      alexpro66 Specifically to you a question. You hid behind the number of our region. Where do you live? And somehow I remember that you work at UVZ. So tell me which entrance you go to work with.
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 17 August 2013 17: 47 New
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    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: alexpro66
    with staff x sampler
    What is it with? Call a mark and displacement? Tell a house painter in general on what territory do you work and from which street do you have a checkpoint? I ask simple questions, but somehow you constantly leave quiet answers for quiet sadness. And the fact that 66 is on a nickname is not a fact that you are local. Maybe you're just a pindoon? And in general, maybe you live opposite the factory, in Galyanka laughing

    DO NOT YOU HAPPEN IF I WILL TELL YOU IT ALL ?! You already lie so that I think you yourself should be ashamed! Please do not bring nonsense about MBT Armata! You do NOT know anything besides writing on the Internet about her! It’s quite nonsense about a low silhouette, front MTO, shelling with blanks, and everything else that you wrote here, calm down, troll in other topics!
    1. Armata
      Armata 17 August 2013 19: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: alexpro66
      DO NOT YOU HAPPEN IF I WILL TELL YOU IT ALL ?!
      No, tell me wink
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 17 August 2013 17: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Slevinst
    Once the armature is shown closed, then it will be possible to expect spy photos and some kind of information in the near future. really curious

    It is unlikely, but this possibility is not denied !! The whole exhibition can be safely called-ARMATURE SYNDROME!))) But most likely the demonstration will be in a special workshop. So you can forget about the photos! Do not drag Armata to the landfill one hundred percent!
    1. Armata
      Armata 17 August 2013 19: 41 New
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      Quote: alexpro66
      It is unlikely, but this possibility is not denied !! The whole exhibition can be safely called-ARMATA SYNDROME!))) But most likely the demonstration will be in a special workshop
      In pancake special shop appeared?
      1. alexpro66
        alexpro66 17 August 2013 21: 50 New
        +5
        Yes, that's not what I came up with about the special workshop! And so Armata is assembled on an ordinary assembly line — it’s just hanged with a curtain, so for privacy!)) Are you a comedian?))
        1. Armata
          Armata 17 August 2013 22: 06 New
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          Quote: alexpro66
          Yes, that's not what I came up with about the special workshop! And so Armata is assembled on an ordinary assembly line — it’s just hanged with a curtain, so for privacy!)) Are you a comedian?))
          Duck in which workshop?
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 17 August 2013 18: 31 New
    +1
    Tomorrow we have kebabs, I'll try to find out what was stuck there according to Rogozin! In my opinion, they could not stick to the chassis, but several variants of the BM, this is the only field where the spears are still broken)) The phrase about the layout of the BM with 152mm for the Armata (I do not know the scale) slipped from the last "fairy tales" current (and we can riveted ??))) About the open show they said that January-February the next year will be ready! So bear with it!))) Terminator 30 will be on a 2mm MBT chassis with telescopic ammunition. New-generation ceramics for Armata will be available only at the end of the year and then only in test volumes. will offer to use titanium for an armored capsule Information on the x sample with a switchable power is confirmed - it seems that 45 cylinders will turn off - but when they will be implemented it is unclear Most of all secrets with the placement of the crew and the ergonomics of their seats - for the chassis being demonstrated exactly in a row of seats, they say very convenient exact dimensions of the width are not First they lied 4cm, but most likely a maximum of 80. Loading ammunition AZ from the upper right side of the BM penny along the way There was a problem with access to the BM from the capsule - there is a "door" but you can't get inside! And most importantly, the optical channel will most likely be! ! on type 60 it is possible to retract it into the hull, otherwise it gives restrictions for the gun. As for additional armament, they are also zero-silent, but it seems that 195mm does not want a 30 and a grenade launcher. We talked about an automatically reloadable KAZ with new ammunition ..
    1. Armata
      Armata 17 August 2013 19: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: alexpro66
      Tomorrow we have barbecue, I'll try to find out what they stuck there according to Rogozin! In my opinion, they could not put on a chassis, but several BM variants, this is the only field where spears are still breaking)
      Well, wait on Monday with a news hangover laughing
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 17 August 2013 20: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: alexpro66
    Tomorrow we have barbecue, I'll try to find out what they stuck there according to Rogozin! In my opinion, they could not put on a chassis, but several BM variants, this is the only field where spears are still breaking)
    Well, wait on Monday with a news hangover laughing

    And what do you think you can still pull out their Old ???))) Only cognac and barbecue !!!! And the mechanic again please do not mislead the people! I'm better than you and even Khlopotov know the current state of affairs! Lech is furious only because 195 was hacked in favor of ARMATA (and his comrades from the competent authorities spoiled his blood))) - WHAT I personally agree with him on ALL 100 !!! He naively believed that MBT Armata would be a reincarnation of 195 and was a little mistaken .. although, in principle, nothing was lost, only time and then you can catch up. But THERE ARE AND PLUSES WHAT Rogozin did for him to modernize his defense system! Suppose that, as always, they wanted the best, but it turned out .. not really, but at least they are doing something and not at all sucking, but they could and better, but in which country we live, we must not forget !!
    PS Believe us more blood "bookkeepers" will spoil us when they calculate the price tag of products !!! Here you can definitely wait for the Battle of Kulikovo !!
    Yes, and that everyone was so agitated by the deadlines - under the agreement, UVZ should submit the first prototype in the middle of the next year and give out a dozen prototypes for testing at the beginning of 2015 — well, they promised this year — it didn’t work out — but in real terms everything is going to be HUGE ahead
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 17 August 2013 21: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Mechanic
    alexpro66 Specifically to you a question. You hid behind the number of our region. Where do you live? And somehow I remember that you work at UVZ. So tell me which entrance you go to work with.

    Reread my comments carefully! I have not indicated anywhere that I work for UVZ. Or do you think I’m so naive that I’ll be honest about myself here? I live in the Balkans by IP !!)) I have had this nickname for several years, so I could not hide behind it! And if you are not too lazy to sit and guess 66 is the date or number of the region .. And again post crap about the Armata .. "clearance level" and that this level does not allow you to stand as you say near the hull to see what kind of suspension and what rollers on the Armata? ?))) What is blocking this level of your vision when you look at the suspension ??))) How are you casting!))
    Now tell me a question to you - your stands (which you are making for Armata), how did you give the right of admission not only to a special workshop, but even to a restricted area ??))) Or you will unsubscribe that "stands" are a cover and you are like deputy chief designer ???)) And by the way, I asked you a long time ago - where is the layout of the Armata? You somehow forgot to answer too)) And by the way, at the moment, where is the MTO at the MBT in front or behind ??))
    1. Armata
      Armata 17 August 2013 22: 11 New
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      Quote: alexpro66
      Now tell me a question for you - your stands (which you make for Almaty), how did you give the right of admission not only to the special workshop, but even to the restricted territory ??)))
      So it’s nothing that we install and configure them directly at the factory. And where did the information from the Balkans about the assembly of reinforcement behind the curtain on the working line come from? Or is it constantly slowing down the project? Or that the curtain is pulled back so that the units bring? laughing
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  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 18 August 2013 19: 50 New
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    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: alexpro66
    Now tell me a question for you - your stands (which you make for Almaty), how did you give the right of admission not only to the special workshop, but even to the restricted territory ??)))
    So it’s nothing that we install and configure them directly at the factory. And where did the information from the Balkans about the assembly of reinforcement behind the curtain on the working line come from? Or is it constantly slowing down the project? Or that the curtain is pulled back so that the units bring? laughing

    Well, you are a storyteller! I assumed that you would be called the leading designer, but you somehow attributed yourself to a locksmith! Regarding your answer, I wrote above-the assembly of the chassis is carried out exclusively by three of their factory brigades and, in extreme cases, they let the representative of the MANUFACTURER of the block a "stand-up workers" close to the "body" and will not even be allowed close to the regime zone !!! So in your fairy tale a bobble came out !! Or do you no longer make stands, but directly the manufacturer's representative ??))) What will you answer this time? Just do not write nonsense about the fact that you, as a "standovik", were given access !! Yes, there are stands at the factory, tell me, you are our secret, what part of the MBT do you have to do with electronic or mechanical ?? For information (to make you lie more interesting), even the manufacturer's representatives are allowed mainly to the layout model and only then the factory ones install the "fitted" and tuned block on the product!
    You don’t even know how tolerance is set !! On the chassis itself, nothing is being retuned, so aggregate repair is being worked out plus additional secrecy as a bonus! You didn’t even hint about it because you didn’t know where the layout layout is! And finally answer after your vague throws from side to side WHERE DOES THE MBT MT ???? This is a specific question !!! Or you need to chew?! Bullshit About braking in the construction of Armata only you wrote I always claimed that Armata did not stop for a second! About the special workshop, even without comment)))
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 18 August 2013 20: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: alexpro66
    Tomorrow we have barbecue, I'll try to find out what they stuck there according to Rogozin! In my opinion, they could not put on a chassis, but several BM variants, this is the only field where spears are still breaking)
    Well, wait on Monday with a news hangover laughing

    The barbecue did not clarify much. Rogozin apparently made a reservation, because only one prototype MBT is ready. ?? - "there was a long debate on the BMP where to locate the MTO because of this there was a delay" ... (AT LEAST on TTZ FRONT) - I never heard a direct answer, but the phrase "there was a delay" implies that the BMP was also blinded ... ONLY WHERE IT????. BREM - "YET THE HORSE WASN'T FALLING" .. BM will be "a few" - IN ABOUT THE ANSWERS FROM .. direct "participants" of the program --- The last answer to my questions is "did you come to rest or ... (obscenely) Rogozin for us enough every day "!!!))))
    Mechanic and you accidentally ringing about the location of the MTO is not about the BMP case somewhere heard ??? Kebab by the way was excellent HOW AND COGNAC (IR-IR))) and DO NOT FORGET ME ASKING FOR THE WEATHER!)))))))))
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 19 August 2013 20: 27 New
    +5
    Well, the mechanic is exhausted! He can't lie anymore! I hope his tales about Armata and his direct participation in its development are finally over!
    By the way, there is another interesting point indirectly related to Armata. How many analyzes I once read about the high-positioned cannon in the 195th, which was not described there, there was enough nonsense and cleverness! But no one indicated the correct judgment about this moment, but everything was simple and the prosaic-optical direct channels from two sights above the armored capsule created a strong restriction for the use of the weapon, because unlike the Armata (on which they will most likely be) where they are provided as "emergency - duplicating "option in case of leaving the electronic side, on the Monster they eventually turned out to be the main ones due to the impossibility of full-fledged implementation (at that time) of aiming based on opto-electronics. "Emergency" telescopic sights can be developed for Armata.
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 21 August 2013 17: 15 New
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    Latest News- MO requires maximum acceleration of the implementation of the Almaty program! At least Rogozin was given priority everywhere in this matter, and they demand the first fully functioning prototype by January! That he PROMISED personally Shoigu! They also press for the possible use of one prototype of Armata for tank biathlon next August !!!! And even more interesting, they asked a question about the possibility of participation of 4 prototypes of Almaty at ... Parade on May 9, 2015 !!!!!)))) Khlopotov in shock! Tries to mumble something but .. his authority is definitely a HUGE minus !!! Well, it's my fault! And where is our Mechanic his tales also greatly amuse the guys on Adventure!))) Who wasn’t come in there are new pictures of Almaty- http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/157/offset/14700/ And ask the Mechanic the rear MTO in the sun ????)))) and the low profile of the chassis ??
  • Simple
    Simple 21 August 2013 19: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Wedmak
    As soon as they learn to print with metal, a breakthrough is ensured.



    So far, only plastic, but when designing a node in the complex
    makes work easier.