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Erdogan's attempts to revive the Ottoman Empire should seriously worry Russia

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Erdogan's attempts to revive the Ottoman Empire should seriously worry Russia

For its history we most often fought with Turkey


For many years, Turkey gave the impression of a secular state, but it seems that soon this country, as well as its neighbors, is expected to have very different times.

When in the 2003 year, Recep Erdogan changed the chair of the mayor of Istanbul to the prime minister’s seat, he initially looked like a quite moderate politician. Some even called him the spiritual heir of the superpopular today Kemal Atatürk, thanks to which Turkey became the most democratic state of all Muslim countries in the Middle East region.

But it was difficult to imagine that Erdogan, being the leader of the Islamic Justice and Development Party, would “play democracy” for too long. Judging by some of his statements, he was ready to take rather radical steps - to change the secular ideology to the Islamic one, and at the same time to “correct” the Constitution, removing some articles from it and introducing new ones. According to him, at the beginning of the 21 century, new prospects open up for Turkey and new challenges arise, therefore a strong, charismatic leader, who Erdogan, of course, considers himself to be, must be at the head of the country. And if the leadership qualities of the Turkish prime minister raise doubts not only among his colleagues, but also among ordinary Turkish people, then no one doubts that Turkey is on the verge of change. But what changes?

In the middle of the 19 century, Turkey was called the “sick man of Europe”, but at the beginning of the 21 century it became an industrialized country, with economic growth continuing in recent years and the Turkish economy now looks almost the best in this region. Moreover, now there is every reason to consider Turkey a regional superpower. Of course, it is still far from the scale of the Splendid Porte, but in recent years Turkey’s influence has noticeably increased over a vast territory - from the Balkans to the northern regions of Iraq, Syria, Georgia and Azerbaijan.

But economic growth alone is not enough to take a leading position in the region, so the Erdogan government is preparing the ideological base in every possible way. The history is actively “corrected”, nationalism and Islamic movements are gaining momentum and, as in the days of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish diplomats are increasingly not ashamed of expressions addressed to other countries. Suffice it to recall tough statements about France, Israel and, in fact, direct participation in the Syrian civil war on the side of the opposition.

However, foreign policy is only a consequence of domestic. And here Erdogan is not the first year suggests order with an “iron hand”. The events of recent months have vividly shown what this leads to, but this is not very frustrating for the Turkish prime minister. He has been sleeping for a long time and sees himself as a new sultan, which is why it was under Erdogan that the glorification of the “heroic” past of the Ottoman Empire began, and henceforth all Turkish history is covered exclusively from the great-power side.

The excitement of Turkish patriotic patriots is caused by the destruction of 29 in May, 1453, of the Eastern Roman Empire-Byzantium and its capital, Constantinople. This act of aggression against a sovereign state and its subsequent liquidation is presented almost as the birthday of the Turkish nation. And it is not by chance that in 2005, on the direct instructions of Erdogan, tens of millions of dollars were allocated from the Turkish budget to create the panorama museum “1453”, where, like in Soviet times, school trips are mandatory in Lenin’s museum. Turkish schoolchildren instilled in childhood the idea that 29 May 1453 was not one of the most terrible days in world history, but a national holiday, which is also celebrated magnificently every year, with fireworks and fireworks.

Similarly, the Turks refer to other pages of their history. The history of a country in which occupation, racism, genocide and the destruction of the cultural heritage of those peoples who had the misfortune to be under the heel of the Ottomans is commonplace. It is no secret that the Turks themselves never particularly stood on ceremony with the conquered peoples. They didn’t stand on ceremony with their own non-Turkish citizens. And it was not at the time of the sultans and viziers, and not so long ago. Here is a typical example from our day.

By some miracle, by the negligence of the Turkish authorities, from the year 1453 to the year 1997, the ancient Orthodox chapel was preserved near the Gulhan Park, erected next to the wonderworking spring of St. Ferapont. The chapel functioned regularly with the Ottomans for more than half a thousand years, and it was probably one of the few places in the city where Byzantine spirit and tradition remained. Of course, some people did not like it very much. The issue was resolved with Turkish direct and uncompromising. The 58-year-old Greek-sacristan who worked in the chapel, the unknown “hooligans”, as was said in the police report, had their throats cut, but he didn’t like it much. The issue was resolved with the Turkish direct. k- = monks. were slaughtered with corpses of raped and slaughtered women, the body was thrown into a holy source. Say, know your place.

The Greeks know their place. The Fanar district, where a few Greeks live and where the Ecumenical Patriarchate is located, is guarded by the police around the clock. In fact, the patriarchate is in a state of many years of siege. And all this is happening not somewhere in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, but in the first Christian capital in the world.

But is it any wonder that this is the case? Even if Turkish high-ranking officials allow themselves such statements, which Adolf Hitler himself would envy. There was a very enlightened gentleman in the government of “progressive” Kemal Ataturk, a graduate lawyer - Mahmut Esat Bozkurt, who served as Minister of Justice. Here is his point of view on modern Turkey: “A Turk is the only gentleman, the only owner of this country, those who do not have purely Turkish origin, have only one right in this country - the right to be servants, the right to be slaves” (the Milliet newspaper, 16. 09. 1930). But this was said almost at the same time, when little-known ex-corporator Adolf Schicklgruber wrote “Mein Kampf”. Only the ex-corporal afterwards for similar racist statements was called a monster, but Mr. Bozkurt was not. Therefore, it is not surprising that, following the words, the Turks got down to business.

Suffice it to recall the infamous Greek pogrom 6-7 September 1955 of the year. With the direct connivance of the Turkish authorities and with the direct participation of “individual” representatives of the law (the police), for two days the pogromists smashed 80 Orthodox churches and 30 Greek schools, sacked more than 4000 shops and 2000 apartments, and the number of killed and missing people is still unknown . Of course, it was not without mass rape (the Greek side refers to the number of victims in 2000), but it ended with the traditional for Turks defeat of Christian cemeteries and desecration of graves. As in the memorable 1453 year. And could it be otherwise? If the hot Turkish people begin to rampant, then everyone gets indiscriminately - both alive and dead. Even goes to the stones, but more on that below.

All this forced the surviving Greek inhabitants of Istanbul to flee from the city in which they were not only born and raised, but who were founded and built by their ancestors and who had been Greek for more than two thousand years. If at the beginning of the twentieth century, 270 thousand Greeks lived in Constantinople (more than 40% of the city’s population), then a century later just a little more than 2 thousand people. Yes, it would be fine only the Greeks. But the rioters did not ignore the Armenians with the Jews, who also got "nuts".

But what is surprising is that when the pogroms took place, the entire “progressive” world community was silent and pretended that massacres and rape did not concern her at all. But there were real crimes against humanity. The ones for which the dock is laid in The Hague. But one thing is when they smash the Jewish townships in the “backward” Tsarist Russia, which the “progressive” humanity will scream about for decades later, and quite another thing when they kill and rape the Greeks, and the same Jews, in Istanbul.

But if the pogroms can somehow be explained (well, the Turks do not like the Greeks), then how can we explain the barbaric attitude not to people, but to cultural heritage? From Byzantium Turkey inherited the richest legacy - one of Constantinople and its surroundings are worth. But the Turks chose either to destroy many valuables, or simply to abandon them to the mercy of fate. Constantinople, which could compete with Rome in the number of architectural monuments, lost up to 90% of them. The fact that it would be the subject of numerous studies and pride in any other country in Turkey is just an unnecessary reminder, which is trampled in every possible way in the dirt, and in the truest sense of the word. Not so long ago, the administration of the Blue Mosque, on its own initiative, began excavations on the territory belonging to the mosque. During the excavations, ancient columns, arches, and marble benches were found. But the Turkish authorities were alarmed, the excavations were banned, and everything found was ordered to bury back (!)

Is it any wonder that at the beginning of this year the Turkish parliament began to consider the request of a certain citizen about the possibility of turning the Hagia Sophia, which has the status of a museum since 1935, into an active mosque. The same fate awaits the Hagia Sophia Museum in Trabzon, which also decided to convert into a mosque. And all this is being done contrary to common sense, since the Hagia Sophia Museum in Istanbul is the most visited monument of Turkey and brings good profits. But if Hagia Sophia again becomes a functioning mosque, then the entrance to it will be closed, and the city budget will lose a very significant part of the income. But political dividends for Erdogan, apparently, more important than common sense.

In what other country is it possible? How to explain it? After all, Turkey has been striving for many years to become a member of the European Union, therefore, Turkey should share common European values. But at the same time, there is a daily war not even with the descendants of the Byzantines, but with stones, with the memory of Byzantium, which the Turks purposefully destroy. Another famous architectural monument of Constantinople, the famous defensive wall of Theodosius, which had defended the city against invaders for more than a thousand years, was threatened with demolition more than once or twice. Especially when Erdogan was mayor of Istanbul.

The only thing that did not allow the Turks to demolish it completely, is that the wall of Theodosius is included in the list of monuments of cultural heritage of UNESCO. In addition, UNESCO allocates money for its restoration. And this is many millions of dollars. The Turks, of course, these millions quickly "mastered", carelessly restored the small honor of the wall and at the first earthquake the replica collapsed. What gave them a reason to demand additional funding from UNESCO. But the rest of the wall is a miserable ruin, inhabited by homeless people and other outcasts, where you should not even appear during the day. In any other country, such a unique architectural structure would be a national pride, but in Istanbul you can go to study the walls of Theodosius only if you have the skills of Rambo.

Unfortunately, this also applies to many other ancient and Byzantine monuments scattered from Antioch to Halicarnassus and Adrianople, the overwhelming majority of which are in a deplorable state. So for those who have not yet managed to visit Istanbul and dedicate Holy Sophia, it makes sense to do so as soon as possible. It is possible that in the near future, this ancient Orthodox church can only be admired from outside.

Turkey is on the verge of great change, or rather, these changes are already knocking on the door of the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan’s office, which he will happily open. It is not by chance that this March, the Turkish newspaper Milliyet published a map of “New Turkey”, which includes the territories of northern Iraq, Syria, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, the islands of Cyprus, Kos and Rhodes, and half of Greece. About the latter, the country is said directly and completely bluntly: Greece has no historical perspective, so it must become part of New Turkey. And you hear something familiar in such statements. Some time ago, someone has already said something similar, after which the guns in Europe and the crematorium furnaces began to thunder in Europe.


Map of "New Turkey". Image from milliyet.com.tr


You do not need to be an expert to understand the obvious - the emergence of a “New Turkey” near Russia does not promise anything good. During its history, Russia fought most of all with Turkey and the geopolitical confrontation between the two countries stopped only during the Soviet era. But not over. Turkey is increasing its influence in the Transcaucasus, the Turkish instructors helped the militants in both Chechen wars, and it is unlikely that Turkey would simply give up trying to support the Caucasian separatists and beyond. Moreover, Turkey is a loyal ally of the United States, and the Americans are clearly not averse to raking the heat with someone else’s hands in the Caucasus region. Turkey’s gain does not bode well for Armenia. In Turkey, at the highest level, they have already made it clear that if a new war begins between Armenia and Azerbaijan, then Turkey will side with the latter and what this will lead to, we can only guess.

In general, clouds are gathering over the Bosphorus again. As you know, a holy place is never empty, and while the EU is bursting at the seams, stuck in a bog of economic problems, Turkey is getting stronger and getting ready to play a major role in the region. And it is possible that plans for the creation of "New Turkey" will soon become a reality. Moreover, no one hides them.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 16 August 2013 12: 12 New
    +7
    For some reason I remembered: "Luke Skywalker is a Jedi Knight? Everyone has megalomania here ...".
    Greater Turkey, Greater Azerbaijan, Greater Armenia, Greater Poland - have I forgotten anything? AND! Great Lithuania, Great France before the heap. Complete nonsense broadcast for specific purposes.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 16 August 2013 12: 23 New
      14
      Until the great Liechtenstein appeared in the world, it’s still normal)))
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 16 August 2013 12: 52 New
        +5
        The fact that Erdogan and the Turkish "elite" supporting his megalomania and superiority over other nations differ little from the rulers of the Third Reich for a long time. I don't see anything surprising in this - they are savages and they are savages. But you need to understand that a sufficient number of educated and intelligent citizens live in Turkey, who understand what the policy of the fascist Erdogan is leading to, so it will not be easy to realize your imperial ambitions without the support of the majority of the country's population. Do not forget about Russia - if the Ottomans get the full, they can have no doubts. The history should not be rewritten and "forgotten" to please the imperial ambitions of some characters, otherwise you will have to relive its unpleasant moments again.
        I wonder what the citizens of the states included by Turkey in the list of "their" territories think, the citizens of Azerbaijan, for example?)) Are you ready and support this development of history?
        1. patline
          patline 16 August 2013 13: 04 New
          +7
          There will be no Ottoman Empire. Even if the arrogant Saxons once again set Turks in the direction of Russia, it seems to me that the Turks themselves do not dare to jerk us (Georgia is a good example for them).
          Although attacks in the direction of Armenia, Azerbaijan and other neighbors, Turkey may well show. But if these neighbors are not allies of Russia, then they can fall under the Turkish heel.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 August 2013 13: 15 New
            +5
            Erdogan's attempts to revive the Ottoman Empire should seriously worry Russia
            Who is Erdogan? In global politics, this is a pawn ......
      2. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 16 August 2013 15: 29 New
        0
        Quote: il grand casino
        Until the great Liechtenstein appeared in the world, it’s still normal)))

        You will not believe it, but in 1945, Liechtenstein dared to challenge the USSR, becoming the only state in the world who dared to refuse the extradition of 500 people to the Soviet Union. bully
        1. serge-68-68
          serge-68-68 16 August 2013 15: 42 New
          +4
          The father of the recent Prime Minister of Liechtenstein was captured in the 2nd MV and sat in the Tambov camp.
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 16 August 2013 15: 51 New
            +3
            Yeah, and the legend of the Tambov wolves is passed down in his family from generation to generation. smile
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 16 August 2013 15: 54 New
              +3
              His son, being prime minister, very warmly welcomed the Tambov delegation. Maybe, just in case, under the influence of the pope’s stories? :)
        2. Hort
          Hort 20 August 2013 08: 15 New
          0
          and did not conquer it just because the Red Army did not find where entot Liechtenstein is located))))
    2. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 15: 51 New
      +8
      megalomania is a mental illness. everyone suffices
  2. Hort
    Hort 16 August 2013 12: 13 New
    15
    worked in Turkey for six months. I noticed that the Turks are in very bad harmony with the land, which is full of all kinds of ancient ruins and structures. Even the natives' villages look unnaturally somehow ... Well, that is, for example, some of our village or even the house somehow organically fits into the landscape, and the Turkish seemingly happened to be there :) Well, this is my subjective impression, no one I do not impose it
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 12: 57 New
      -3
      Quote: hort
      worked in Turkey for six months. I noticed that the Turks are very in harmony! Even Aboriginal villages look unnaturally somehow ... Well, that is, for example, some of our village or even a house somehow organically fits into the landscape


      In Turkey, almost all of the land is cultivated or used!

      Turkish villages are built of stone or brick! Very fit!

      Quote: hort
      which is full of all kinds of ancient ruins and structures


      In Turkey you can find them everywhere. It is not possible to explore them all!
      1. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 14: 05 New
        +3
        about the earth - I saw. Well done in this regard, but here, as they say, the climate allows several crops to be harvested per year.

        As for the villages - I said that it was my personal impression, there is no desire to argue on this topic :)

        Well, as for the ruins, it is quite possible to investigate them, the only question is how much the state needs it. After all, they do not all lie on tourist routes.
        By the way, it would be very interesting to see how the Turks will be able to restore the ancient theater in Pamukale :)
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 16 August 2013 14: 32 New
        -1
        The article was written at the level of a caveman. I got the impression that the author either consumed the products of Afghan peasants, or fell asleep somewhere in the Middle Ages and woke up in the 21st century, cannot adequately assess the situation. Modern Turkey is not a massacre, where someone- then they cut and rape, and the rapidly developing rule of law, the level of democracy, immigrants from the CIS can only envy. economy in the category of the fastest growing in the world. Do tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign citizens, including those from Armenia, Ukraine, Russia, go to work to a country where they are "massacred and raped"? The trade turnover between Russia and Turkey is growing at a record pace every year. They laid out some idiotic card as "proof of Turkey's aggressive intentions." If you wish, you can lay out dozens of such cards already in relation to Turkey itself, where the territory of this country is painted in the colors of its neighbors. But this is Childishness and unworthy of such a respected site. Particular emphasis is put on, they say, "we fought with them." Then, if we proceed from this, why do you maintain relations with Germany (World Wars 2), with France (Napoleonic wars), with Japan, Iran, Finland , Poland? Wake up, in the courtyard of the 21st century! Each country naturally has its own interests. But this does not imply enmity and confrontation. It is very unwise to look for an enemy when he is not. The world does not consist of black and white. There are different countries with their own interests and everyone wants to live and develop in peace with their neighbors.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 16 August 2013 16: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          .I got the impression that the author or used the products of Afghan peasants,

          In the subject laughing
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 16 August 2013 17: 24 New
        -2
        That's right, they live on a strange, conquered land, so the map lay .....
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 16 August 2013 14: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: hort
      Well, that is, for example, some of our village or even a house somehow organically fits into the landscape,

      During Putin's presidency in Russia, more than 20 thousand settlements were destroyed. Do you have villages there?
  3. taseka
    taseka 16 August 2013 12: 14 New
    +9
    You quickly forgot the gentlemen of the Turks battle with Russia, look through the history books and do not make political mistakes !!!
    Both on land and at sea!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2013 13: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: taseka
      You quickly forgot the gentlemen of the Turks battle with Russia, look through the history books and do not make political mistakes !!!
      Both on land and at sea!

      All this is true. Only you, too, do not forget which statesmen were then, and which are now. Then the army was built, not collapsed. Compare the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the Turkish fleet and questions will disappear.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 16 August 2013 15: 15 New
        +2
        The Turkish fleet is again great - this is true and is growing.
      2. alone
        alone 16 August 2013 15: 29 New
        +6
        Excuse me, did the Turks also ruin the Black Sea Fleet?
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 August 2013 12: 18 New
    +5
    Something I doubt ... strongly .. As if Turkey had not turned into a second Egypt.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 16 August 2013 12: 25 New
      +1
      Yeah, where to go on vacation then ...
      If without jokes this could very well come ... and it will be worse than Egypt, all the same neighbors
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 16 August 2013 13: 47 New
        0
        Quote: il grand casino
        Yeah, where to go on vacation then ..

        If you want to go to PARADISE, go to Krasnodar Krai !!!
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 18 New
        +4
        Yeah, where to go on vacation then ...

        I really want to go to Lake Baikal.
        1. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 16 August 2013 14: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          I really want to go to Lake Baikal.

          Next year I plan too. People advise:
          If your goal is a summer vacation with swimming, fishing and other summer pleasures, then all this is available on Lake Baikal two months a year - from early July to late August. In June, in the middle part of Baikal it is still quite cold at night, and the water even in shallow bays does not have time to warm up yet. In the northern part of the lake in June you can still see ice floes.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 16 August 2013 15: 25 New
            +2
            More beauty attract. But I will not refuse bathing either. yes And so yes, around August I counted.
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 16 August 2013 16: 22 New
            +3
            Bathing after a liter of vodka either on the small sea or at the mouth of the selenga from the side of Ulan Ude. Water is around +5 year-round; fishing on Baikal is also questionable, the depths are great and in the rivers please.
    2. Zhenya
      Zhenya 16 August 2013 15: 17 New
      +2
      I will not be surprised if the country is artificially ruined, and rightly so, Erdogan has done too much lately.
      ps
      You have Russia, many places where to go, BUT there are not many places where you can travel.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 16 August 2013 15: 36 New
        +1
        I am more interested in hunting .Do you know that from 01.08 to 28.02 Baikal is allowed to hunt for a polar bear! If there is a license of course.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 16 August 2013 15: 53 New
          +2
          Did you know that from 01.08 to 28.02 on Baikal hunting for polar bears is allowed! If there is a license of course.

          Thank you, I will not risk it. Yes, and I do not like to offend little animals. smile
        2. Rosomaha67
          Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 16: 33 New
          +4
          ....... this is what Hochma is it like ???? ........ hunting for a polar bear on Lake Baikal ????? .... you can’t hunt animals that escaped from the zoo, even if they are licensed !!!!
          1. Hort
            Hort 20 August 2013 08: 03 New
            0
            huge plus for the zoo)))
        3. 225chay
          225chay 16 August 2013 21: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Milafon
          Did you know that from 01.08 to 28.02 on Baikal hunting for polar bears is allowed!

          Of course, I apologize to Mr. Milafon, but Baikal seems to have other bears ... White as if in other places))
          1. alone
            alone 16 August 2013 21: 50 New
            +6
            this is a serious puncture !! Baikal and polar bears! I imagine white bears in Baikal
            1. Hort
              Hort 19 August 2013 09: 30 New
              0
              yeah, with a terrible hangover with the question "where am I ?!"
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 16 August 2013 16: 32 New
        +1
        You have Russia, many places where to go, BUT there are not many places where you can travel.

        The only question is transport. We’ll develop small aviation, helicopter helicopters will buy them - they will build cottages in the taiga right up to Kamchatka. laughing
  5. alone
    alone 16 August 2013 12: 29 New
    +3
    No need to be an expert to understand the obvious

    yes, you don’t need to be an expert to understand that this card is a product of idiots, and in this world it’s impossible to do this) look at YouTube posted hundreds of similar cards of idiots of different stripes)))
  6. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 12: 34 New
    +3
    I wrote before the map was drawn during the Ottoman Empire! And the Armenian media inflated this map

    MISAKI MILLI MAP!
  7. Oskar
    Oskar 16 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: hort
    worked in Turkey for six months. I noticed that the Turks are in very bad harmony with the land, which is full of all kinds of ancient ruins and structures. Even the natives' villages look unnaturally somehow ... Well, that is, for example, some of our village or even the house somehow organically fits into the landscape, and the Turkish seemingly happened to be there :) Well, this is my subjective impression, no one I do not impose it


    Barbarians in the territory of the former Great Empire
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 16: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: Oskar
      Barbarians in the territory of the former Great Empire


      And how do the barbarians look show us?
  8. alone
    alone 16 August 2013 12: 39 New
    +5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0d5W7xsA9I

    look and think for yourself))))) and read the comments))))
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 16 August 2013 14: 16 New
      +4
      Ordinary small envious heirs of the Dashnaks. I have lived in Krasnodar for 52 years, and I have heard and seen these "songs and dances" more than once. You can want it, but who will give it.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 16 August 2013 14: 37 New
        -2
        I strongly doubt that this video belongs to the Armenians.
        Under lezginka, the seizure of Russian territories that became the refuge of Armenians fleeing the constant pogroms? Yes, all this nonsense.
        Now, if by duduk yes the return of Western Armenia - then I would believe!
        Incidentally, the degeneration of Great Armenia is not synonymous with imperial ambitions.
        Because this is the name of an ancient state that existed in parallel with Lesser Armenia (the province of Rome and then the Byzantine empires). That is, big and small Armenia.
        1. alone
          alone 16 August 2013 14: 53 New
          +1
          you look at my link. there are comments and read.
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 August 2013 21: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Milafon
          Under lezginka, the seizure of Russian territories that became the refuge of Armenians fleeing the constant pogroms? Yes, all this nonsense.

          The Armenians are still cunning. When you need, we Caucasians start, although the Caucasus has nothing to do with it, when we Christians are also profitable with the Russians.
          1. alone
            alone 16 August 2013 21: 47 New
            +2
            what are you writing to him !! he has an Armenian Setra husband, and that has led him to hysteria))) let him think as he wants
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    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 12: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      I wonder what the citizens of the states included by Turkey in the list of "their" territories think, the citizens of Azerbaijan, for example?)) Are you ready and support this development of history?



      do you think this is possible? from which hangover will I think about the map that I drew? this will never happen. do not have a nationality. I put a link here. look and answer, and are you ready for such a development of events?)))
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 16 August 2013 13: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        I wonder what the citizens of the states included by Turkey in the list of "their" territories think, the citizens of Azerbaijan, for example?)) Are you ready and support this development of history?


        Azerbaijan’s land belongs to the Turks anyway, is it possible to pretend that it belongs to us anyway! No wonder they say ONE PEOPLE TWO STATES!

        The terrorist Ocalan remembered this map during reconciliation, he threw it in the middle!
        1. Rosomaha67
          Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 16: 36 New
          +2
          .... I understand that this is the winner of the Great Turetschina, her first representative, so to speak, on our Russophile website !!!
  10. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 16 August 2013 13: 04 New
    +6
    our ancestors drove one truth into the Turks: do not fight with the Russians. So Turkey is very interested in good relations with Russia. And at the expense of the Ottoman Empire, well, let them try, we are also trying to restore the Russian
  11. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 16 August 2013 13: 16 New
    +2
    I like this card much more. After World War I, they wanted to leave only Anatolia from Turkey. So she is already too big.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 16 August 2013 14: 44 New
      +2
      How does the card that Kibalchish laid out differ from the card on the article? Turks can also present it as "proof of aggressive intentions" of its neighbors. It's funny, by God, when adults are engaged in nonsense. As in the proverb that translates approximately "scratch to blood the place that does not itch"
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 21: 15 New
      +2
      It did not come true then, and it will not come true either now or in the future!
  12. stroporez
    stroporez 16 August 2013 13: 17 New
    +6
    I wish Schaub all the riffraff from Syria safely settled on a "well-deserved rest" in Turkey. Let the Turks "spin" .........
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2013 13: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: stroporez
      I wish Schaub all the riffraff from Syria safely settled on a "well-deserved rest" in Turkey. Let the Turks "spin" .........

      Do not wish bad to anyone. See that this shushera does not settle with us. Erdogan is a project of the West. And while he dances to their tune, no one will settle.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: nycsson
        Do not wish bad to anyone.

        Correctly!!
        When they started the war in Karabakh, they did not at all think that Chechnya would come!
        But God sees everything !!
  13. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 16 August 2013 13: 26 New
    +6
    Judging by the map, Erdogan has some weak appetites. Where are the Arab, Persian, Russian territories on the map? Without this, there can be no talk of any Ottoman Empire, except perhaps about a micro-Ottoman ... yes
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 16 August 2013 14: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      Judging by the map, Erdogan has some weak appetites. Where are the Arab, Persian, Russian territories on the map? Without this, there can be no talk of any Ottoman Empire, except perhaps about a micro-Ottoman Empire ..

      Appetite comes with eating.
      In general, the idea of ​​the Ottoman Empire is an anachronism. Modern Turkish empire ambitions try to be embodied in the idea of ​​the Great Turan.
      1. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 14: 15 New
        +3
        by the way about Great Turan. There is some kind of public organization of Turkic peoples.
        Here on the website there was even a flash of news about joint Turkish-Mongolian teachings or military contacts.

        And this is significant: when it comes to the unity of the Turkic peoples - the Great Turan, no one is particularly indignant and does not criticize such ideas. One has only to give a hint about, for example, the Slavic Confederation or at least a single community based on economic ties - there is immediately someone who sticks the fascist label
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 16 August 2013 14: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Milafon
        In general, the idea of ​​the Ottoman Empire is an anachronism


        There are new empires in the world, and so it is!
    2. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 16 August 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      I absolutely agree. And Budapest and Sofia forgot it somehow. Everyone will offend Europe to offend. wink
  14. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 20 New
    +3
    Another emperor sought out ... Chezh they all can’t sit still.?
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 14: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Chezh they all can’t sit still.


      Did Turkey declare war on someone or didn’t I notice?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 16 August 2013 14: 36 New
        +2
        And is it necessary to declare war? There are enough belligerent moods and at some point we can get new 08.08.08. Perhaps on a larger scale.
        1. alone
          alone 16 August 2013 14: 43 New
          +6
          Denis hi Do you think Erdogan Saakashvili? Do you think it’s so easy to throw away the $ 35 billion turnover? In the modern world, few people don’t understand that pragmatic cooperation is better than stupidly rattling weapons and hysterically attacking neighbors with claims. I look forward to meeting the leaders of Turkey and Russia, and I know 100% that they will be held in the right atmosphere.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 16 August 2013 15: 27 New
            +2
            aloneYES, I’m hearing from your country that you only rattle your arms. Yes, and China rattles and Russia, and the United States and France, you continue? It is time to remove the pink glasses and claims from countries above the roof and they sound louder.
            1. alone
              alone 16 August 2013 22: 45 New
              +2
              when you occupy part of your territory with the wrong hands, then I’ll see how you will rattle your arms.
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 16 August 2013 15: 56 New
            +3
            You think so easily, you can throw away the turnover of 35 billion dollars?

            Yes, if Erdogan had thought with his own head, I would have doubted it. And the way he is manipulated from across the ocean causes some concern. For 400 years, we have fought no, no, yes, moreover, in half of the cases, to build up the Western powers.
            1. alone
              alone 16 August 2013 16: 05 New
              +3
              Well noticed about the Western powers. These even then loved to throw firewood
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 16 August 2013 16: 19 New
                +2
                England was far from all in the tossing of firewood, though almost nothing remained of it, a piece of land.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 08 New
              +6
              Quote: Wedmak
              Yes, if Erdogan had thought with his own head, I would have doubted it.

              Although I do not hate Erdogan, it’s ridiculous for me to read you all)))
              After Brezhnev, did you have at least one normal ruler ????
              And what do you want ??
              You do not need enemies, you yourself destroy the best of all !!
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  16. vm68dm
    vm68dm 16 August 2013 14: 35 New
    +5
    Turkey does not behave correctly with its neighbors. The couple is very arrogant.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 16 August 2013 15: 02 New
      +4
      Why should terrorists behave correctly? Terror must be fought by all means, primarily military.
      1. vm68dm
        vm68dm 16 August 2013 15: 43 New
        +2
        And who said that it is necessary to behave correctly with terrorists? belay Or is violating the borders of sovereign states the norm? I mean not only Syria. but also Iraq. Cyprus. Greece.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 16 August 2013 15: 47 New
          0
          Quote: vm68dm
          And who said that it is necessary to behave correctly with terrorists? belay Or is violating the borders of sovereign states the norm? I mean not only Syria. but also Iraq. Cyprus. Greece.


          And Greece did not violate?
          1. vm68dm
            vm68dm 16 August 2013 16: 10 New
            0
            For example? Where? When?
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 16 August 2013 16: 24 New
              +1
              July 1, 2013 'time 08.37' for the last time near Izmir!
              1. vm68dm
                vm68dm 16 August 2013 16: 35 New
                -3
                Greek divisions went on the offensive? wassat
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 16 August 2013 16: 41 New
                  +2
                  We will be glad to see them ...... wink
                  1. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 16: 58 New
                    0
                    As we are!!!!!!
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                      1. vm68dm
                        vm68dm 16 August 2013 17: 27 New
                        +1
                        Eurofighter ???? This is who !!! ??? do not make me laugh laughing
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 15 New
                        +4
                        Quote: vm68dm
                        This is who !!! ???

                        But clearly)))))))
                      3. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 16 August 2013 21: 26 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        But clearly


                        He laughed well at night! Thank you!
                      4. alone
                        alone 16 August 2013 21: 52 New
                        +4
                        Alibek, hello !! what's wrong with them? economy crisis?))))
                  2. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 17: 44 New
                    0
                    Some excerpts from my video. There, the pilot in Greek says - I captured a Turk and am leading him !!!!!!! and what they write in Turkish can only be guessed !!!! lol typical HYGIENE !!!!! hi
                  3. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 19: 22 New
                    +1
                    We are not fighting you destroyed you! What do you compare yourself with us?

                    GOOD LUCK TO YOU IN ECONOMY, otherwise you will die of hunger there
                  4. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 19: 56 New
                    +1
                    Who are "we? You have the flag of Russia on a nickname! Change the flag to Turkish. So it will be honest and right. Yes, the crisis, the level of life is much higher than yours (in Turkey)
                  5. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 20: 04 New
                    +5
                    And for what grandmothers? What do you produce nit? You know how to twist the Germans, who would argue!
                    Quote: vm68dm
                    Change the flag to Turkish.


                    I am a Turk, but I live in Russia hi
                  6. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 20: 18 New
                    +2
                    And I'm Russian-Greek !!! hi
                  7. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 20: 21 New
                    +4
                    If you are Russian Greek, then do you know Turkish too?
                  8. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 20: 32 New
                    +2
                    NOT. but some know.
                  9. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 20: 48 New
                    0


                    Adults almost everyone knows Turkish! hi
                  10. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 21: 02 New
                    +2
                    Who told you this? They know the so-called Tsalkin Greeks (Tsalka district in Georgia) They had a choice. Or they change faith (ORTHODOXY) or language. They chose faith! And in Vidio it is the Greeks who live in Turkey. In Szmirny Constantinople. etc. And in Greece, Turks live and speak Greek
                  11. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 21: 05 New
                    +4
                    I talked a lot with Krasnodar!
                  12. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 21: 40 New
                    +1
                    So how is it? Are we like Yarbay writes? By the way, he forgot to mention Russia! hi And not Turkey but Turkey!
                  13. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 22: 07 New
                    +3
                    Ordinary people are mostly good everywhere! Yarbai wrote about the army and not about people!
                    Honestly I confess I really like Greek music
                    and in Turkey, a lot of listen!

                    Politics with politics and people should remain people!
                  14. vm68dm
                    vm68dm 16 August 2013 22: 26 New
                    +1
                    Politics with politics and people should remain people! - I agree. hi
                2. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 16 August 2013 22: 13 New
                  +4
                  How nit should come to you and try the muse!
                3. vm68dm
                  vm68dm 16 August 2013 22: 27 New
                  +1
                  Ouzo-Anizing Vodka. yes
                4. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 16 August 2013 22: 36 New
                  +1
                  Yes, we have called crayfish, From her head in the morning does not hurt!
                5. vm68dm
                  vm68dm 16 August 2013 22: 54 New
                  0
                  Tsipura (crayfish) - grape vodka (samagon) By the way, are you by any chance not a Meskhetian Turk? We saved one during the events of 1989.
                6. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 16 August 2013 23: 10 New
                  +3
                  No, I’m Rodopsky Rumeliyski Turks! Anisova we called crayfish!
                7. vm68dm
                  vm68dm 16 August 2013 23: 32 New
                  +1
                  Not. Anise called -Uzo. There is Uzo7 and Uzo12, and crayfish is grape vodka (tsipura) from 20gr to 60-80gr! (The so-called pervach)
                8. Hort
                  Hort 20 August 2013 08: 22 New
                  0
                  Anise called -Uzo. There is Uzo7 and there is Uzo12
                  do you distinguish between isotopes? wassat
  17. Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: vm68dm
    And Russian-Greek !!!

    No technique will help you !!
    Turkey and Turks are peaceful people, but try our patience is not worth it !!
    and no America, Greece, no France, any hand outstretched to Turkey and personally cut off the Turks brothers !!
    While I live !!
  18. Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 23 New
    +5
    Quote: vm68dm
    Change the flag to Turkish

    You don’t have enough education to understand that no one sets a flag for himself here !!
    Not one Turk will exchange his flag for anything !!
    Happy is he who calls himself TURK !!


  19. vm68dm
    vm68dm 16 August 2013 21: 47 New
    +2
    hi soldier Are you and me?
  20. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 19: 47 New
    +1


    Quote: vm68dm
    typical HYGIENE

    Not the fact that not invented by the Turk! lol hi
  21. Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: vm68dm
    There the pilot speaks Greek - I captured a Turk and am leading him !!!

    Well, and what do I remember how on a small island that the Greeks wanted to appropriate for themselves, five Turkish soldiers threw Greek soldiers into the sea and put the Turkish flag !!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: vm68dm
    As we are!!!!!!

    Feel the difference)))))

  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 16 August 2013 21: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: vm68dm
    Greek divisions went on the offensive?

    And what did the Turkish divisions take Athens in your video ???
    These skirts want to attack ??))))

  • smersh70
    smersh70 16 August 2013 22: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: vm68dm
    Greek divisions went on the offensive


    and the fuel will be with you ...... wassat or in olive oil your tanks work ..... laughing
    1. vm68dm
      vm68dm 16 August 2013 23: 08 New
      +1
      In olive oil! tongue Well (the Greek divisions went on the offensive) this is sarcasm! Read comments carefully !!! negative
  • vadimN
    vadimN 16 August 2013 14: 44 New
    +4
    Given the pace of Islamization in Europe, the Turks are in a hurry to stake out for themselves the place of head of the European Union. laughing
  • Vtel
    Vtel 16 August 2013 15: 03 New
    +4
    "After the revolution in Egypt, the Turks are also planning a small military coup to take a break from Russian tourists."

    "Athos inhabitants about the war between Russia and Turkey. In 2001, a group of Samara priests and laity visited the Holy Mountain. In the Greek monastery Vatopedi they were received by the 85-year-old monk Joseph (Joseph the Younger), a disciple of the famous Joseph the Hesychast who died in Bose. Joseph's predictions:" Now is the beginning of these events, difficult events worldwide. The engine of this evil is the Jews. The devil encourages them to start this, to destroy the seed of Orthodoxy in Greece and Russia. This is for them the main obstacle to world domination. And they will force the Turks all the same come here, to Greece, to start their actions. And Greece, although it has a government, in fact does not have a government as such. It has no power, and the Turks will come here. This will be the moment when Russia also moves its forces, to drive the Turks away.
    Events will develop as follows: when Russia goes to the aid of Greece, the Americans and NATO will try to prevent this so that there is no reunification, a merger of the two Orthodox peoples. Other forces, such as the Japanese and others, will also excite. There will be a great battle on the territory of the former Byzantine Empire. The dead alone will be millions (in some editions of this prophecy the figure is 600 million). The Vatican will also strongly participate in all this in order to prevent the growth of the role of Orthodoxy and such a reunification. This will be the time of the complete destruction of Vatican influence to its very foundations. This is how God's providence will turn. "
  • Siberian
    Siberian 16 August 2013 15: 07 New
    +5
    Quote: hort
    Turkey and Azerbaijan not allies but fraternal peoples. United nation.

    hmm ... why then do Turks not like Azerbaijanis? I heard this from many. Or are these people caught? :))
    One Azerbaijani historian said that before the revolution, and many people know that the people themselves, like Azerbaijanis, did not even coexist with such a state. And they called themselves simply Muslims. Soviet power gave them nationality and territory under the name by which they call themselves. Let literate and reasonable Azerbaijanis DO NOT BE OFFENDED. You won’t get away from the truth.
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 15: 13 New
      0
      and do not remember the name of the historian?
    2. kNow
      kNow 16 August 2013 15: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Siberian
      Quote: hort
      Turkey and Azerbaijan not allies but fraternal peoples. United nation.

      hmm ... why then do Turks not like Azerbaijanis? I heard this from many. Or are these people caught? :))
      One Azerbaijani historian said that before the revolution, and many people know that the people themselves, like Azerbaijanis, did not even coexist with such a state. And they called themselves simply Muslims. Soviet power gave them nationality and territory under the name by which they call themselves. Let literate and reasonable Azerbaijanis DO NOT BE OFFENDED. You won’t get away from the truth.


      Azerbaijani historian couldn’t say such a thing wink
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 16 August 2013 15: 35 New
        +2
        Azerbaijani historian couldn’t say such a thing
        Well, if you think so, your right.
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 16 August 2013 15: 30 New
      +3
      Siberian In the place of Azerbaijan was a wasteland and we were brought from the moon during the Soviet era? So your way?
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 16 August 2013 19: 20 New
        0
        The wasteland was not there (no one was brought from the moon) and how the people lived there and will live !!! If anything, I have good comrades there. Well, you still need to know your story. For example, I know mine (how, when the tsar, my great-grandfather was sent to Siberia under the tsar, despite the fact that he was not a komunyak) SO SO. If there’s no offense, I don’t want to offend anyone, I respect all people drinks
    4. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 16 August 2013 15: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Siberian
      One Azerbaijani historian said that before the revolution, and many people know that the people themselves, like Azerbaijanis, did not even coexist with such a state. And they called themselves simply Muslims.

      I am not Azerbaijani, but harness. I think your historian is very mistaken, to say the least. Azerbaijanis are an ancient people and it is foolish to say that they were invented in the USSR. The two northern provinces of Iran, if you are in the know, are called Western Azerbaijan and Eastern Azerbaijan. Or did the Iranians come up with this too?
    5. Yeraz
      Yeraz 16 August 2013 21: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Siberian
      Soviet power gave them nationality and territory under the name by which they call themselves.

      Here we lived before this without a nationality, but the Russians gave it to us and we accepted it at once. When you write, you think that you write, the Russian people who called themselves Türkic made them switch to the territorial name of their nation, so that there wouldn’t be such that in both Turkey and Turkey, Turks came up with the word TURK, although in all the Turkic languages ​​the Turk is called TURK, as the Turks call themselves now. And we don’t go anywhere from the truth, I know my pedigree from the 16th century, I don’t need some kind of Azerbaijani the scientist said.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 16 August 2013 15: 16 New
    +3
    Erdogan's attempts to revive the Ottoman Empire
    Is THIS ONCE AGAIN to build the GENOCIDE of other nations to soothe their own emotional balance?
  • Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 16 August 2013 15: 25 New
    +5
    It seems to me that in the foreseeable future Turkey is unlikely to become our ally - the divergence of our interests is too great. Of course, Russia does not need a strong Turkey, since it is easier to deal with a weak Turkey. It is also important that we traditionally have good relations with Greece and Armenia, with which Turkey is strained.
    Dear Azerbaijanis, with all due respect, you don’t need to tell us how bad the alliance with Armenia or Greece is for Russia and how good it is with Turkey. We are unlikely to believe this, because Russia has its own interests and its own vision of politics in this region.
    At the same time, I fully welcome the expansion of cooperation with Turkey and Azerbaijan and sincerely sympathize with the peoples of these countries. I have the honor to be acquainted with some of their representatives; these are good people. But people are people, and geopolitics is geopolitics.
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 15: 38 New
      +6
      dear sergey. where did you see our stories that you would be better off with the Turks than with Armenia or Greece. The link that I brought from YouTube is a simple example of the fact that there are hundreds and thousands of such maps in the article. but these maps do not mean in reality. the reality is that it is impossible to build state relations referring to what was 200-300-500 years ago. Suppose if I draw a map of Azerbaijan and include the whole world there, does this mean that Azerbaijan is preparing to create an empire? such a card I would rather be advised to turn to a psychiatrist by my own compatriots themselves. The whole argument is this. We do not interfere in the foreign policy of the state of the Russian Federation. hi
      1. Uncle Serozha
        Uncle Serozha 16 August 2013 15: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        dear sergey. where did you see our stories that you would be better off with the Turks than with Armenia or Greece.

        I am glad if I was mistaken.
        Quote: lonely
        But commodity circulation with Turkey 35-40 billion and moves to 100, and with Greece and Armenia is a trifle! In Russia is full of Turkish enterprises that give jobs to the Russians and they?

        This is by far an important factor and will probably be taken into account. But Russia also has other geopolitical interests, the price of which may exceed trade with Turkey. They should also be considered. To get all the benefits and not lose anything is fantastic. We have to compromise. I hope we have the wisdom and wisdom not to turn disagreements into conflicts or wars.
        1. alone
          alone 16 August 2013 16: 01 New
          +3
          do not forget that the attitude of Greece and Turkey is not the same as we say 25-30 years ago, I think the author did not deliberately cite these facts. Regarding the quote, I will say so, dear Ayyyldyz brought the economic benefits of cooperation between Russia and Turkey. The economy does not always play a role in geopolitical interests. this is an undeniable fact. but judging by the logic, Turkey recently wrote off Greece’s debt of $ 400 million. I don’t think that the enemy would give the enemy so much debt, and then write it off.
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 15: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      It is also important that we traditionally have good relations with Greece and Armenia, with which Turkey is strained.


      But commodity circulation with Turkey 35-40 billion and moves to 100, and with Greece and Armenia is a trifle! In Russia is full of Turkish enterprises that give jobs to the Russians and they? hi
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 16 August 2013 15: 48 New
        +1
        You can’t measure everything with money, because there are intangible values.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 16 August 2013 16: 09 New
          -4
          And what are the values? Everything in the world at the end rests on economic interests!
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            1. alone
              alone 16 August 2013 16: 22 New
              +6
              Have you been to Turkey?
            2. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 16 August 2013 16: 30 New
              0
              Do not tell me about values! I would write to you about values, but not time or place! I understand that you, as it were, did not hide the Armenian!
              1. MilaPhone
                MilaPhone 16 August 2013 17: 06 New
                0
                Quote: ayyildiz
                Do not tell me about values! I would write to you about values, but not time or place! I understand that you, as it were, did not hide the Armenian!

                I am not an Armenian. But if you are scared then you can consider me as such.
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 16 August 2013 17: 13 New
                  0
                  I’m only afraid of the Almighty and nothing more! And you just hide your nationality!

                  VERY INTERESTING WHY?
                  1. MilaPhone
                    MilaPhone 16 August 2013 17: 33 New
                    +2
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    I’m only afraid of the Almighty and nothing more! And you are simply hiding your nationality! VERY INTERESTING, WHY?

                    Yes, consider as you like! Do not interfere with the Almighty!
                    Speak God are afraid? Then, what will you say about this Turks:
                    The Orthodox church of Hagia Sophia in Turkish Trabzon began to function as a mosque. On June 28, the first Muslim prayer was held here.

                    According to the statement of the director of charitable institutions, Mazhar Yildirimkhan, who runs the Hagia Sophia Museum, except for hours of Muslim prayer (5 times a day), the temple will continue to function as a museum.

                    At the time of prayer, “the murals and mosaics of the Hagia Sophia Museum for the time of prayer are covered with carpets and curtains that are not nailed and do not cause the slightest damage,” the official told about the fate of unique frescoes and mosaics.
                    Hagia Sophia in Trebizond is a monument of Byzantine architecture. Unique murals and mosaics have been preserved here. The temple was built in 1238-1263. Manuel I Comnenus. In 1461, Mehmed II captured Trebizond and turned the church into a mosque. In 1964, after restoration, carried out in 1958-1964 with the help of the University of Edinburgh, the cathedral was converted into a museum.
                    http://www.sedmitza.ru/text/3890925.html
                    According to the Greeks (they have already expressed an official protest) at the turn of the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul.
                    1. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 18: 53 New
                      0
                      And what do you say that in Greece 1768 mosques were turned into churches? What do you say that all mosques in Armenia have been destroyed?

                      I can continue to continue in Bulgaria in the former Yugoslavia and so on!
                      1. MilaPhone
                        MilaPhone 16 August 2013 19: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        And what do you say that in Greece 1768 mosques were turned into churches? What do you say that all mosques in Armenia have been destroyed? I can continue to continue in Bulgaria in the former Yugoslavia and so on!

                        I can say that all of them put together far from the Turks in this regard.
                      2. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 16 August 2013 19: 10 New
                        +1


                        Not me, but Russian historians!
                      3. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 16 August 2013 23: 18 New
                        0
                        Quote: Milafon
                        I can say that all of them put together far from the Turks in this regard.


                        Of course, we have saved them 500- 1000 for years! Here we are such bad barbarians!
                  2. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 16 August 2013 19: 11 New
                    +1


                    Not me, but Russian historians!
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            1. Apollo
              Apollo 16 August 2013 23: 22 New
              +5
              Quote: smersh70
              .................... Republic (Mimino, Hotel Russia)


              I bring to your attention and information of all visitors to the VO forum, the language of communication on the VO forum, the Russian language, all comments that will include other languages ​​will be deleted without notice.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 16 August 2013 23: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: Apollon
                I bring to your attention and information of all visitors to the VO forum, the language of communication on the VO forum, the Russian language, all comments that will include other languages ​​will be deleted without notice.


                The standard rule of ethics! I support!
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 16 August 2013 23: 38 New
                  +7
                  Quote: studentmati
                  The standard rule of ethics! I support!


                  as Mkrtchyan’s character said in Mimino, think first, then speak fellow probably remember the speech of Kuravlev at the hotel .... smile
                  and everything is so politicized here that sometimes you need to remember about humor .... hi
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 16 August 2013 23: 43 New
                    +2
                    Quote: smersh70
                    and everything is so politicized here that sometimes you need to remember humor too ...


                    Humor is always welcome !!! drinks (I have a bad attitude to black humor and wary of English). sad

                    And Apollona appreciated the sophistication and mental acuity in yesterday's comment !!! good Salute!!! drinks
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 16 August 2013 23: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: Apollon
                The communication language on the VO forum, the Russian language, all comments that will include other languages ​​will be deleted without notice.



                how to watch a movie about Mimino)) it’s so pleasant for everyone)) you don’t have a sense of humor))) these are the words of Kuravlev in the hotel Russia (such as you disgrace our republic ..... laughing.....
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 16 August 2013 23: 50 New
                  +3
                  Quote: smersh70
                  you don’t have a sense of humor))) these are the words of Kuravlev in the hotel Russia (such as you disgrace our republic.



                  With a sense of humor, I’m all right. I know that these are Kuravlev’s words and I also understand the meaning. The situation is different. We are already very difficult (due to lack of time) to control the comments of visitors. Who will guarantee that this or that visitor does not express himself obscene language or obscene speech addressed to a visitor in another language.
                  I will not repeat myself, the forum has an official language of communication, I consider further discussions on this topic inappropriate.
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 17 August 2013 00: 26 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Apollon
                    .We already with great difficulty (due to lack of time) control the comments of visitors.


                    This is your "strap", and you pull it conscientiously, albeit with great difficulty ... Thank you !!!
  • Essenger
    Essenger 16 August 2013 15: 53 New
    +8
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    It is also important that we have traditionally good relations with Greece and Armenia

    You traditionally have good relations with them, because they have problems with the Turks)))
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 16 August 2013 15: 57 New
    +4
    Sergey, again alone you honestly put all the points over I. hi I understood this way: Guys, neither you nor the Turks (they have done anything wrong since 1918). We just don't like you. We are much closer to the Armenians with their exorbitant ambitions. Whatever you do, we will always dislike you (to put it mildly This honesty, Sergei, is much more comradely than a delusional article, and the attempts of some colleagues to somehow "substantiate" it. Personally, apart from children's minuses, I have not seen a single serious argument.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 16 August 2013 15: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    and do not remember the name of the historian?

    Unfortunately, I don’t remember my last name. I was driving in a car, I caught a wave on the radio. So I listened to his historical arguments.
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  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 16 August 2013 19: 13 New
    0
    Oh, well, there’s an endless dispute between peoples among themselves ... I look at it all and think - when everyone lived in a single state of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union there was nothing like that, but how everyone became independent it started ... sad though ...

    And yet - the author writes that in modern Turkey the story is presented in the light of the exaltation of the Turkish people and state - the question is: how do they cover the story of Admiral Ushakov and Generalissimo Suvorov? How do they write about the Sinope battle, about the war of 1877-78? In general, about those periods when Russia and its allies smashed Turkey to smithereens?

    It’s just interesting to know how it really is - depending on this, the Turks should either be despised or respected ...
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 19: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Albert1988
      about the 1877-78 war

      How to eat and write. And what do you write about the Prut war?
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 16 August 2013 21: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: ayyildiz
        How to eat and write

        Well what can I say - that’s good.
        Quote: ayyildiz
        And what do you write about the Prut war?

        As far as I remember, my history book is written as it is - Petrush waved as always, but there wasn’t enough strength))) Only we call it more modestly - a Prut campaign)
  • michajlo
    michajlo 16 August 2013 20: 34 New
    +5
    Quote: xetai9977
    The article was written at the caveman level. I got the impression that the author either used the products of Afghan peasants, or fell asleep somewhere in the Middle Ages and woke up in the 21st century, cannot adequately assess the situation. Modern Turkey is not a massacre where they cut and rape, and the rapidly developing rule of law state, the level of democracy, immigrants from the CIS can only envy.
    .
    Wake up, in the courtyard of the 21st century! Each country naturally has its own interests. But this does not mean enmity and confrontation. It is extremely stupid to look for the enemy when he is not. The world does not consist of white and black.There are different countries with their interests and everyone wants to live and develop in peace with their neighbors.

    Hello dear "xetai9977"! I really liked your last sentence, I even made it bold. good At this thought, many of us want to look around and forward.
    However, your sharp emotional reaction to other opinions about Turkey and its history, a little guarded me, do not be surprised. sad

    Here on the site, no one denies that Turkey is developing rapidly, even in those periods when its other neighbors are struggling with eco-financial problems. I personally really like the fact that the Turks and other Turkish citizens, people who work, respect their elders, parents, take care of children and the weak! good
    On the other hand, alas, working people from the CIS in Turkey are not at all good, but people are forced to earn their daily bread.
    By the way, until 1985, citizens from the Union in Turkey were only as tourists or on a business trip.
    So for the "betrayal of the rotten top of the KGB and the gang of Gorby & Co", we all of us from the USSR will tear our veins and cough up blood for a long time, but these are the problems of the CIS, not Turkey.

    However, on the other hand, if you think that there is always mistrust, a sense of danger, prejudice on the part of Turkey's neighbors (Russia, Greece, Armenia, Bulgaria), then they probably appeared and feed NOT from the "secret Christian source of evil towards the Turks", and probably based on the sick and bloody memories of your neighbors, for 500 years.

    By my statement, I do not call you dear "xetai9977" (by the way, how to call you?), Cross with me peaks in an acute battle, just for all things and other events, subjects and persons, there are always at least two opposite opinions and much more different opinions.
    An exchange of opinions is useful to both parties, as well as the desire to convince the interlocutor, but for some reason I’m sure if you put more facts and fewer emotions in your notes, then a lot more forum users will read it to the end, and want to understand and comprehend it.
    Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 20: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: michajlo
      An exchange of views is useful to both parties, as is the desire to convince the interlocutor

      I put two videos on top, they say a lot, if time eats, then look! hi
    2. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 21: 29 New
      +8
      Dear Michael! I’ll tell you one thing. Believe me, life is a very complicated thing. The need for something can make a person go to any extremes. Modern Turkey cannot be compared
      with the one that was once. the French killed 2 million Algerians. the whole world is silent about it. The British wiped out entire African peoples from the face of the earth. A lot of human blood flowed
      during the Caucasian war in the 19th century, sometimes a whole village was destroyed in one shot. There were 100 Armenians illegally living in Turkey who earn their bread, thousands of Bulgarians filled the streets of Turkish cities in search of work, despite what the Greeks and the Turks go to each other. Could this be if in Turkey you would consider these people to be your enemies? We must forget that it was several hundred years ago. Here they say that the temples turned into mosques. But the same can be seen in Serbia, in romania, in hungary, in spain, in bulgaria. what is wrong with the fact that the words of the Almighty sound on these houses of worship, it’s one of us all))). it’s just strange that some people stubbornly want between Turkey and Russia to have enmity. here that is alarming. with respect
  • michajlo
    michajlo 16 August 2013 21: 06 New
    +6
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: Rosomaha67
    I understand that this is the meager of the Great Turetschina


    It seems to be an adult man and you write as a fascist. As you call Turkey, so Russia is called. And then wonder why this is all happening.

    Learn to respect the peoples, their same mother gave birth to you. You are no better than them. Believe me.

    Dear "xasharat", where have you taken you! sad This is NOT a fascist name for the state, for nothing you are offended, and "Rosomaha67" definitely did not want to offend you.

    I clarify the names: "Turkey" - in Russian, "Turechchina / Turetchina" - in Ukrainian, so it was customary from the Zaporozhye Cossacks, this name in the LITERATURE is Slavic (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian) It is considered literary and does not bear insult and humiliation.

    Do not be offended by me for advice, but if you want to convince the interlocutor, then let's QUIETLY on facts and respectful attitude to each other.
    And we won’t go far in quarrels, moreover, your and our opinions sometimes very harmoniously coincide and complement.
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  • michajlo
    michajlo 16 August 2013 21: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Quote: michajlo
    An exchange of views is useful to both parties, as is the desire to convince the interlocutor

    I put two videos on top, they say a lot, if time eats, then look! hi

    Thanks for the links, dear ...! I don’t know how to correctly pronounce your name ?, write to me please, I’m used to knowing INTERVIEWERS by name.
    I see videos as long as 44-45min, so I’ll watch them over the weekend.
    And then in this or another article I will express my opinion.
    Mikhailo.
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 16 August 2013 22: 29 New
    +5
    "Lost Kosovo - Growing Turkey"
  • Anti
    Anti 16 August 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    Turks would not fall into civilian clothes, but Erdogan dreams of an empire, and after the events in South Ossetia, they understand that it’s possible to get a slopp off, but in general, they have been gravitating towards Russia lately, for sure .. bully
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 22: 45 New
      +2
      So Anti appeared! And as you can see, a citizen of Germany has already become a citizen!
      1. Anti
        Anti 16 August 2013 22: 50 New
        +2
        Does that scare you?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 16 August 2013 23: 11 New
          +3
          From what? And for what? I somehow ...
          1. Anti
            Anti 16 August 2013 23: 16 New
            0
            Well, to me ... what is the problem?
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 16 August 2013 23: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Anti
              Turks wouldn’t fall into civilian clothes,


              You compare us with whom I do not know, but you clearly underestimate us!
              1. Anti
                Anti 16 August 2013 23: 26 New
                +2
                Are you a special race? Take a look around. The financial assistance to the Chechen fighters has already been appreciated; the bill has not yet been paid.
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 17 August 2013 00: 08 New
                  +1
                  Good luck in Germany!
                  1. Anti
                    Anti 17 August 2013 00: 16 New
                    0
                    Thank you, effendi, and good luck to you.
  • vm68dm
    vm68dm 16 August 2013 23: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: vm68dm
    Some excerpts from my video. There, the pilot in Greek says - I captured a Turk and am leading him !!!!!!! and what they write in Turkish can only be guessed !!!! lol typical HYGIENE !!!!! hi
    By the way, where is your video?
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 16 August 2013 23: 57 New
      0
      I asked the moderator to delete! JOURNALISTS as always .......! Replaced it with another what the Turkish Air Force showed!
  • michajlo
    michajlo 16 August 2013 23: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    Dear Michael! I will tell you one thing. trust me life is a very complicated thing. The need for something can make a person go to any extremes.
    modern Turkey can not be compared with the one that was once. the French killed 2 million Algerians. the whole world is silent about it. The British have wiped out entire African peoples from the face of the earth. A lot of human blood has flowed
    during the Caucasian war in the 19th century, sometimes a whole aul was destroyed in one shot, such was the time.
    now 100 thousand Armenians illegally live in Turkey who earn their bread, thousands of Bulgarians filled the streets of Turkish cities in search of work, despite everything the Greeks and Turks go to each other.
    Could this be if Turkey considered these people as their enemies?
    we must forget that it was several hundred years ago. Here they say that the temples turned into mosques.
    but the same thing can be seen in Serbia, in Romania, in Hungary, in Spain, in Bulgaria. What is wrong with the fact that, in these houses of worship, the words Almighty, he is one of us all one))).
    it’s just strange that Some people stubbornly want hostility between Turkey and Russia. That’s alarming.with respect

    Thank you dear "lonely" (or whatever you call it) for your note!
    In it, I specifically highlighted those of your words with which I completely agree. good

    Yes, there are moments in life when a person is driven into a corner, or his children and loved ones are taken away from him, when he is not guided by a sober mind, but is forced or decides to do anything, when despair, hatred and fear disappear in his blood! Even modern psychotropic drugs do not provide such a state, they will only "close" fatigue and turn off the "feeling" of fear, but they probably will not give attention, ingenuity and precise courage. I don't know, thank God I haven't tried them ...

    Regarding the fact that in today's successful Turkey, hundreds of thousands of hungry people from the former USSR and SotsStran are looking for any job so as not to starve to death, this is not, in my opinion, just Turkey is developing and the fact that the above-mentioned republics and countries "lowered below the plinth", those. a consequence of the multi-way party on the collapse of the USSR and the further change of the whole world.
    Probably, it is no coincidence that the authorities are driving millions of people to the "animal state", perhaps they plan to direct their anger in the right direction, determined by the "shadow rulers of the world's destinies" !? am
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 23: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: michajlo
      Probably, it is no coincidence that the authorities are driving millions of people to the "animal state", perhaps they plan to direct their anger in the right direction, determined by the "shadow rulers of the world's destinies" !?


      call me Omar. you can call me lonely))

      You see what is happening in Egypt now? A handful of people have not divided power, but peaceful people are suffering. So many people die every day in Syria. Most of them are peaceful people. I agree with you that they are being sent where necessary. And we ourselves have lost our healthy meaning. look how 10 minutes ago the Turks and the Greeks were at war here, and now they are sitting and discussing the taste of aniseed vodka. politicians are corrupt, but we are just mortal people, why should we gnaw each other's throats?
  • michajlo
    michajlo 16 August 2013 23: 32 New
    +2
    № 2

    I agree with you that it is much better to hear the words of prayer to the Almighty (with differences in names, he is probably probably the only one on the whole Earth), although I really do not have enough knowledge from the Holy Letter in this matter. But the changes in the churches in the mosque and vice versa, after all, many believers are probably irreconcilable!

    But right away, they noticed that VERY MUCH OUTSIDE there is a direct benefit from Tension or even better WAR between Russia / Slavic peoples and Turkey / Muslum peoples !?
    Although with a peaceful and calm resolution of disagreements and disputes, you can probably yes, it would be NECESSARY to solve all problems amicably, without uncovering the missiles.

    I will add from you one unannounced topic, this is the Muslim intervention in Syria (from 2011 to the present).
    For some reason, I’m sure that the resistance of Syria in a bloody guerrilla war, nevertheless, provides broad support for the legitimate President Assad by the Syrian people! Only one military economy. help from Russia and support groups from Palestine and Iran would not be able to fight for the third year, and now from May 3, start to advance and liberate villages and cities occupied by the so-called opposition.
    What will be the outcome of this bloody adventure, we will all see in 1-2 years.
    But please do not be offended for my assumption that then all these greedy smell of blood "dogs of war", beaten in Syria, will return to you and other "friends" and want to continue their "jihad" in other countries !?
    Do not you think that in this important issue, Turkey, instead of winning, can get an unexpected and sick loss?
    Because according to the plans of the "directors from the Soviets", the "bloody tyrant Assad" himself should have been destroyed in just 4-6 months long ago!

    I was glad to exchange similar and opposite opinions with you.
    Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 23: 54 New
      +2
      I ask you, dear Mikhailo, not to classify this Wahhabi offspring as Muslims.
      these people have nothing to do with Islam. Under the guise of Islamic ideas, they have done so many troubles that Muslims believe us more than anyone else. I really hope that all this bearded shushra will be destroyed. If you want to solve all problems, you can solve it peacefully.
      Turkey probably realized that he was being pushed to fight against Syria one on one. therefore, I think that it is slowly starting to turn off this dangerous path. In September, Putin and Erdogan will meet. I think after this meeting, events very important for the region will happen. not the same as before. no one wants to fight for anyone anymore. And about Syria, unfortunately, Syria has lost too much. If even Assad wins, it will be very difficult to rebuild the country. It takes decades and huge finances.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 17 August 2013 00: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: michajlo
    Probably, it is no coincidence that the authorities are driving millions of people to the "animal state", perhaps they plan to direct their anger in the right direction, determined by the "shadow rulers of the world's destinies" !?


    call me Omar. you can call me lonely))

    You see what is happening in Egypt now? A handful of people have not divided power, but peaceful people are suffering. So many people die every day in Syria. Most of them are peaceful people.
    I agree with you that they are being sent where necessary. And we ourselves really lost common sense. Watch how 10 minutes ago the Turks and Greeks were at war here, and now they sit and discuss the taste of aniseed vodka. Politicians are corrupt, and we are just mortal people, why should we gnaw each other's throats?


    Thanks for your thoughts, dear Omar! The example you gave of Egypt and Syria is very illustrative.
    Politicians make plans and backup options for themselves, and ordinary people, who are concerned about how to feed their families, do not delve into the details of the plan: "how to steer" the East or other part of the world.
    But politicians are always happy if, we ordinary citizens, forgetting sober reason, at their call we will begin to kill each other, especially not when a person defends his house and goes to CONQUER someone else's house.
    Although the causes of events in Egypt and Syria, I personally see ambitions and great plans of the UAE, Qatar and of course the "friend of all opponents" of the United States, and this is just a continuation of the "Arab Spring" plans,
    though the end of which got out of the control of "customers and performers".

    Perhaps we will live to see that, instead of stormy arguments and reproaches, we will here share recipes for the evening, or ways to reduce "drunken" in the morning after an evening meeting with friends or good acquaintances! drinks
  • michajlo
    michajlo 17 August 2013 00: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    I ask you, dear Mikhailo, not to classify this Wahhabi offspring as Muslims.
    these people have nothing to do with Islam. Under the guise of Islamic ideas, they have done so many troubles that Muslims believe us more than anyone else. I really hope that all this bearded shushra will be destroyed. If you want to solve all problems, you can solve it peacefully.
    Turkey probably realized that he was being pushed to fight against Syria one on one. therefore, I think that it is slowly starting to turn off this dangerous path. In September, Putin and Erdogan will meet. I think after this meeting, events very important for the region will happen. not the same as before. no one wants to fight for anyone anymore. And about Syria, unfortunately, Syria has lost too much. If even Assad wins, it will be very difficult to rebuild the country. It takes decades and huge finances.

    Dear Omar!
    Thanks for the clarification. Explain, please, how to correctly call people fighting with the shouts of "Allah akbar"? Who are the "Wahhabis"? "What are they eating with?" / This is such a literary expression, when you want to get a detailed answer, do not take me literally! Why are they past Islam?
    There are many Tatars in Russia itself, but so far I have not heard that they, after prayer, went to kill their Orthodox neighbors. I have heard this designation, as well as the Muslim branches of "Sunnis, Shiites2" - but I do not understand these difficult things for me.
    Thank you in advance for your clarifications.

    By the way, an offer to you on religious topics! Since you practice Islam, read the Qur'an, you know the details, why don’t you write a short or medium-large article for the VO site
    - on the definition of "Wahhabis",
    - their isolation from Islam or external cover by Islam,
    - how to distinguish them,
    - and what Islamic scholars write about the common life of different peoples and religions, and not fanning the war "to the last Muslim, Orthodox or Catholic."

    I don’t know personally the Admins, but I think that they will publish your article, since such an article balanced with facts and without emotions about the ORIGINS of fanaticism will explain much to us people of the Orthodox faith.

    Indeed, during the Soviet era, I only heard or read that somewhere far away in Sudan or the United Arab Emirates, militant Muslims easily killed someone under the guise of "Sharia", but now this religious fanaticism has already spread very strongly across Asia, Africa and Europe.

    By the way, if you need help, I can help you with proofreading (grammatical corrections of the text) of your article in Russian, so that it has a literate look (in the literary sense of the word / not interpreting the Koran, here I am weak).
    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 17 August 2013 02: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: michajlo
      I clarify the names: "Turkey" - in Russian, "Turechchina / Turetchina" - in Ukrainian, so it was customary from the Zaporozhye Cossacks, such a name in the Slavic LITERATURE (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian) is considered literary and does not carry insult and humiliation.


      correctly
      TURETINA
      TURETCHINA (Turetchina), (T uppercase), Turechchyna, pl. no wives (old). Turkish lands, Turkey.
      Explanatory dictionary Ushakov
      http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ushakov/1060466
      and video see title


      but there is one but namely.
      Quote: michajlo
      By the way, if you need help, I can help you with proofreading (grammatical corrections of the text) of your article in Russian, so that it has a literate look (in the literary sense of the word / not interpreting the Koran, here I am weak).
      Sincerely, Mikhailo.


      for example
      Quote: michajlo
      The example you provided

      You write with a large or
      Quote: michajlo
      Muslum peoples !?

      spelled by muslim
      or again
      Quote: michajlo
      muslims

      мусульмане
      Quote: michajlo
      But politicians

      probably a letter и a technical error?!
      Quote: michajlo
      win

      Quote: michajlo
      ate do you think


      general comments abound with errors
      but the main thing is not the one I cited above, but this one, since it is in another branch link
      http://topwar.ru/31985-saakashvili-obvinyayut-v-gosudarstvennoy-izmene.html#comm


      ent-id-1412881
      and your literal words
      The only thing that bothers me is an unpleasant foreboding that Kiev elite in my native Ukraine
      and you have a flag in Slovakia?! Strange. winked Have you moved ?!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 August 2013 08: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: michajlo
      Who are the "Wahhabis"? "What are they eating with?" / This is such a literary expression, when you want to get a detailed answer, do not take me literally! Why are they passing by Islam?

      Although the question is not for me, but for me a sore subject!
      I will try to briefly and clearly demonstrate who these ignoramuses are - Wahhabis!
      If it is interesting, I will present you a ton of materials about these Wahhabi nonhumans!

    3. alone
      alone 17 August 2013 14: 18 New
      0
      I have nothing to add after the respected YARBAYA. he answered instead of me and consider that I said all this.
  • armandos
    armandos 17 August 2013 01: 21 New
    -3
    My universal, burning and uncompromising hatred of the Turks is not due to politics and not even to the massacre of conquered peoples, not to a constant jackalin grin towards Russia, but primarily because of their wound, which they inflicted on the world heritage. Their crime against humanity cannot be quantified in money. Wherever they have been, we see filth, meanness, betrayal, cruelty beyond the human imagination. I have been to Cyprus. Guys, this is not to convey in words what these bastards did with the Orthodox churches, which were the heritage of our descendants. They shit in churches, hit the domes with direct fire (so they competed with each other in accuracy). About 150 churches with unique paintings disappeared forever. They must be gradually eliminated from history, like a disease. We must return the Hagia Sophia, which they turned into a mosque. It was necessary to cover up the frescoes and turn it into a mosque. And that it’s too weak to make a mosque for ourselves? That's right, you need to FIG! With the author, I agree on all 100, every word he says is absolutely true. I am not religious, my hatred is not on religious grounds, it is rather an insult. Imagine a peasant who grows wheat. He makes plans for the future, gradually thrives, the sun shimmers over the tops of the ears. And then LOCUST! Millions of filthy insects. He stands in the middle of the field and weeps. Watch the movie "Midnight Express"! An excellent film about the Turks. I would simply disdain to call the Turks brothers, as the Azerbaijanis do. although, as they say: - Apple tree from apple tree! God will judge them!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 August 2013 08: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: armandos
      .Where they visited, we see dirt, meanness, betrayal, cruelty beyond human imagination.

      whose cow would moo !!
      Then what to do with the Armenian bandits, after which the corpses of women and children remain, the defeated ghost towns, the desecrated mosques ??
      Meanness and betrayal with your mother’s milk is transmitted and your historian Khorenatsi wrote about this
      The father of Armenian history Movses Khorenatsi (Moses Khorensky) in the XNUMXth century spoke of his fellow tribesmen:
      "-I want to point out hard-heartedness, like the arrogance of our people, ...
      - rejecting the good, changing the truth ...
      people are obstinate and criminal ..
      -SHOWER WHO DOESN’T BELIEVE GOD!
      -you have done angry and in your lodges did not bring repentance
      -you laid the slaughter and lawlessness, and those who trust in the gentlemen despised
      - therefore, they will find on you the networks of the one you did not recognize and the prey for which you were chasing will make you their prey, and you will end up in the same networks ...
      "
      this is a mosque in the city of Agdam, at home in which, like in other occupied cities, you dragged the stones!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 August 2013 08: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: armandos
      They must be gradually eliminated from history, like a disease.

      it's just about you !!
      It is you who must get rid of and erase from history!

      Here, offhand, Agdam, Fizuli, Shusha is what you turned the cities where hundreds of thousands of people lived, do you still have the audacity to blame someone for something?


      1. armandos
        armandos 17 August 2013 12: 56 New
        -2
        You are ridiculous!)) You can’t understand in any way that when you try to cast videos from AZERVIEW.COM you subscribe in your complete bias. This is the same thing that Georgians will watch about Russian atrocities on the Rustavi channel. Throw me videos, and now imagine if I am humbled to your level and begin to respond with video materials about your abominations. You will not get it!
        PS And yet .... I do not care about your showdown with the Armenians from the high Armenian mountain Ararat!
  • michajlo
    michajlo 17 August 2013 14: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Apollon
    Quote: michajlo
    I clarify the names: ...
    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    ... in general comments are riddled with errors
    but the main thing is not the one I cited above, but this one, since it is in another branch link
    http://topwar.ru/31985-saakashvili-obvinyayut-v-gosudarstvennoy-izmene.html#comm
    ent-id-1412881
    and your verbatim words The only thing that bothers me is an unpleasant foreboding that Kiev elite in my native Ukraine and you have a flag in Slovakia?! Strange. winked Have you moved ?!

    Hello dear "Apollon"! By the way, how to call you by name?
    Thank you very much for the indicated by you, my gram. Errors! I will try to improve, "well, honest pioneer !, Mary Ivanovna ..." smile
    Regarding spelling and style, this issue should be constantly targeted, since illiteracy and misrepresentation of the "big and mighty" have long been "beyond the red line", and we CANNOT miss this rich heritage (language), it's enough that the Union, we are the older generation screwed up!

    Regarding my modest person, please, data (open, not classified).
    I am a Subcarpathian Rusyn / according to the "Birth certificate" - Ukrainian, "Sagitarius" according to the horoscope, was born in the former Subcarpathian Rus / now it is Transcarpathian Ukraine or Transcarpathian region. (at the beginning of the 60s), since the half of the 90s I have been living in Slovakia.

    Here on the VO website I'm interested in military equipment, geopolitics, weapons (my old friend in Slovakia is a weapons designer / pistols, assault rifles).
    For over 16 years I have been doing translations (RUS / UKR <> SK, US / CZ> RUS / UKR).

    Here the other day I directly offered members of the forum with "Turechchini-Oce in Ukrainian" proofreading for their articles in Russian, so that the look and style would correspond to the school textbooks of the 1960s and 1970s, not a modern-day outburst of education.

    If I understand you correctly, do you perform the functions of the SysAdmin or Consultant? Correct me if I am mistaken. Another personal question for you is, what topics are you interested in here and what is your age, dear?

    Why am I asking you about your activities at VO, I have already exchanged emails with one forum member about the history of the 80s and 90s and am preparing my translation from Czech into Russian for one small interesting documentary paper (author Miroslav Doleisi, 1931-2001, http: // www.analyza.wz.cz/)
    about changes in geopolitics and preparation / implementation of the "Velvet Revolution" in Czechoslovakia_1989.

    Additionally, for my part, if you and other forum users have questions about Slovakia and the Czech Republic, I can search for data, official documents, provide links, translate into Russian, to familiarize the forum users (of course when there is time, or sometimes it will be last longer).

    Also, as well as how to offer their knowledge in words. / Czech. language or help, I will be you and other experts and experienced, ask or ask for help, advice.
    Mikhailo.