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Lessons from the Five Day War for Estonia

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The well-known Estonian politician and nationalist Mart Laar (who managed to be both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense of Estonia) published the article "Mart Laar: Vene-Gruusia sõda - 9 õppetundi Eestile" ("Russian- the Georgian war - 2013 lessons for Estonia ”), in which he shared his thoughts on the lessons that, in his opinion, the Estonian state and the Estonian armed forces should learn from the Russian-Georgian Five Day War in August 10. From the text of the article it can be seen that Mart Laar carefully examined the well-known collection of articles published by the AST Center "Tanks August "about this conflict.


We offer the translation of an interesting article by Marta Laar, made by the well-known human rights lawyer, the Russian Ombudsman in Estonia, Sergei Seredenko (original translation here).

Lessons from the Five Day War for Estonia

Firing 155-mm / 39 towed howitzer FH-70 artillery battalion (Suurtükiväepataljon) of the Estonian army. 24 such guns were bought by Estonia from the presence of the German Bundeswehr for 7 million euros in 2003-2005. April 2009 of the year (c) Estonian Armed Forces (via Rostimees)


Mart Laar: Russian-Georgian war - 10 lessons for Estonia (Translation from Estonian)

Mart Laar (Secretary of Defense in 2011-2012, IRL) writes about the lessons Estonia should have learned from the Russian-Georgian war five years ago.

Five years after the war between Russia and Georgia. Much has been written about this, and even a feature film was shot, but many questions remained unanswered. There are, for example, different opinions about when exactly this war began and when it ended, who started it and who was to blame for it. Leaving aside the political aspects of this war, I will focus on ten lessons that could be useful for organizing the state defense of Estonia.

1. Better the harsh truth than beautiful illusions. If Russia has been preparing for war for years and knew exactly what it wants, then Georgia is not. Georgia allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely unfortunate time. The best brigade served in Iraq, and the second brigade was just about to change it. Part of the army was on rearmament and was engaged in the care of equipment, many officers were released on vacation. The Minister of Defense was on holiday in Italy.

The Georgian army lived by illusions. There were no solid preparations for the defense of Georgia. The war was expected to be conducted on the territory of either Abkhazia or South Ossetia. According to the Georgians, Russia's intervention was possible only in the volume of the wars of the nineties. Extensive intervention by the Russian troops was considered extremely unlikely, and they were not particularly considered when planning the operation. Therefore, a clash with the Russian army was for the Georgian soldiers a complete surprise and shock, from which they could not recover in a few days. The Georgian army lived entirely with illusions, and therefore it was already going to meet defeat.

2. Staff work and decent plans determine the course of the war. The Russian army was prepared for war up to the last button on the fly, the operation was worked out and thoroughly worked out. Georgian troops should be forced to launch an attack in South Ossetia, after which they should be surrounded and destroyed. And then completely defenseless Georgia was easy to attack and carry out a change of power there.

Georgian plans, on the contrary, were extremely vague. Their initial plan took into account the possibility of limited intervention by Russian troops, and he thus had a certain connection with reality, but they did not envisage an attack on the capital of South Ossetia, Tskhinval. One brigade had to pass to the left of the city, and the second to the right, outside the city, they had to unite and move in the direction of Gupta and the Roki tunnel in order to prevent all kinds of Russian assistance.

The conquest of Tskhinval was a subsequent task. At the last moment, however, this plan was changed, and a direct attack was made on Tskhinval. Instead of moving quickly, troops were thrown at him. The Georgian troops never reached the Gupta Bridge, let alone the Rosk Tunnel. This decided the outcome of the war.

If some time ago, similar problems and the Estonian army, in recent years the situation has changed. Staff work and planning became more specific and realistic. This creates the basis for strengthening defenses.

3. Sight provides intelligence. Both sides in the Russian-Georgian war reacted to intelligence relatively arrogantly. Russian intelligence did not have accurate information about Georgia, and they greatly underestimated Georgia’s ability to resist.

Although Georgian intelligence had a lot of data about Russia, there was not a decent analysis that would bring all these data together. In addition, NATO's technical intelligence too trusted, which, however, completely overslept the concentration of Russian troops near the border, from where they were able to quickly advance to South Ossetia. They proceeded from the assumption that Russia will not attack its neighbors. The Russian-Georgian war completely refuted this assumption, and now all the data are analyzed from a different point of view.

Estonia has done a lot of work on building intelligence and early warning systems, and has achieved good results in this. Of course, this work should be continued.

4. Psychological protection is also important. The war was preceded by a massive information attack from Russia. Georgia tried to present the world as a small, aggressive and unpredictable country ruled by insane moral monsters. Thus it was possible to isolate Georgia from the allies, and to present its warnings unreliable. And in the subsequent course of the war, the battle in the information field played a significant role. No wonder it said that Russia could have won the battlefield, but in the end lost on the information front.

Estonia after the 2007 year realized the need for an information war, but because of the desire to attack Defense Minister Jaak Aaviksoo personally for undertakings in matters of psychological protection, the latter were frozen. It is time to bring plans to life.

5. Modern war is total. The Russian-Georgian war showed that in modern war conventional methods of warfare are intertwined with new ones, such as cyber or information war. At the same time, as Russian tanks set in motion, cyber attacks began. Both cyber attacks and aerial bombardment were used to shut down Georgia’s information systems.

Estonia has realized the need for large-scale defense, but the relevant laws are still awaiting adoption.

6. A good medical service and personal protective equipment saves lives. In the Russian-Georgian war, more than 1200 Georgian soldiers were disabled, two thirds of them wounded. Many of them could have died, but were saved thanks to protective body armor and decent helmets. The wounded were hastily evacuated from the battlefield and the medical service worked well. Only three percent of the soldiers died from their wounds. In Estonia, great attention was paid to the development of the medical service, but even here we were only at the beginning.

7. Airspace control is critical. Georgian air forces are few in number, and throughout the war they were used only in one mission. This was reasonable, since otherwise these aircraft would have been shot down. The Russian Air Force, at least theoretically, could feel completely bold in the Georgian sky. Georgian air defense tried to resist, but was quickly suppressed, and after losing the radar it became completely blind.

Effective were mobile MANPADS, which were in the hands of the fighters. However, they were few or outdated. At the same time, the Russian Air Force for several days could not use its absolute superiority in the air. The interaction between the Russian air force and ground forces was extremely weak. Ground forces, every plane seen in the sky was considered Georgian, and opened fire on it. More than half of the aircraft lost by Russia in the war were shot down by their own troops. And the planes bombed the parts moving on the ground.

Estonia relies on a NATO air shield and does not spend resources on developing its own air force, which in any case will be instantly shot down. The air defense system is developing, but there is still a lot of space for development of mobile missiles.

8. Tanks and artillery should not even pass in memetallom. The Russian-Georgian war showed that both tanks and artillery play an important role in modern warfare. The tanks helped to besiege the onslaught of the Russian troops at the beginning of the war, and played a major role in smashing a column of the Russian 58 army commanded by General Khrulev 9 August 2008. The Gori artillery brigade, whose combat capability was highly appreciated by Russian sources, played a leading role in repelling Russian troops approaching Tskhinval.

9. Half-way solutions do not work. Instead of the “paper army” and parade units, attention should be paid to the creation of integral units. Better than them will be less, but let them be better. What was the use of Georgia from its brigades, if some guys lacked a normal connection, while others did not have transport? The ability of such units to participate in combat is zero. Hardly, but Estonia is beginning to understand this, and this is taken into account in the new program for the development of state defense.

10. At NATO, hope, but keep the powder dry. International relations are extremely important, but in the end you can still hope only for yourself. Georgia’s hope that someone will provide effective assistance to it did not come true during the war. If they didn’t fight themselves and, despite all the mistakes and unsuccessful dealings, they didn’t slow down the advancement of the Russian troops even for a few days, the Georgian state would be swept away, and the leadership would be transferred to a completely different government. Despite all the mistakes, the Georgians themselves saved the Georgian state.

For Estonia, this experience means that we must be well integrated and worked with NATO, but at the same time we must take care of our own defenses in every way. What is important here is the strong will to defend, or the desire, if necessary, to speak out in defense of their state. The stronger it is, the safer it is.
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  1. Hudo
    Hudo 15 August 2013 07: 19 New
    +4
    The Estonian army took Berlin; laughing laughing laughing
    1. artemiy
      artemiy 15 August 2013 08: 41 New
      +6
      They even have guns)))
      1. patline
        patline 15 August 2013 09: 02 New
        +4
        AAAaaa laughing . Joke In the circle go the same several times. Rzhach. laughing
        1. patline
          patline 15 August 2013 09: 19 New
          0
          We walk in a circle Part number 2
        2. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 40 New
          +3
          These "warriors" and other "Estonian experts" can only count what
          Quote: patline
          last buttons on the fly
          . Etozh how to get smoked so that he could turn over all the events - Georgia, untrained, unprepared for war, LETS HIMSELF drawn into the war with Russia - Nonsense.
          An expert needs to register with a psychiatrist.
      2. shark
        shark 15 August 2013 09: 31 New
        +3
        They obviously do not engage in drill training.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 09: 43 New
          10
          It seems to me that only one thing has not come to Estonia that it will be crushed like a cockroach, if it is NECESSARY and NATO will not help. They plan, analyze and have nothing, clowns laughing
          1. matross
            matross 15 August 2013 10: 27 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Clowns

            It is unclear why they are generally spent on the army. Immediately surrender, if that, economically much more profitable. Well, they would have left for ourselves some platoon of honor guard or something else from the field of circus art ... smile
            1. Rink
              Rink 15 August 2013 11: 01 New
              +7
              Quote: matRoss
              It is unclear why they even spend on the army. Immediately surrender, if that, economically much more profitable. ...

              Ha! In a war, the Estonian army will be useless - that's true. But in peacetime, this is a way to get a good job in life. With work, they have a strain. And here is such a trough, and even from the EU you can beg for money "to resist the Russian threat". Not loans, but simply irrecoverable.

              This is clear, the whole point of the article: the Russians are plotting bad things, we need more money! If, say, no danger comes from Russia, who will give them even a penny? the Balts will be left to themselves: as you want, so survive ... And in such conditions it will be "economically more profitable" for them not to give up, but simply to forget about sovereignty and with penance to become part of the Russian Federation, relying on subsidies - as in the USSR they are used to living.
              Otherwise, they will die out of hunger.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 13: 12 New
              0
              Quote: matRoss

              It’s not clear why they’re spent on the army at all.

              Protect American Values ​​Around the World, And So For Beauty laughing
            3. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 45 New
              0
              Quote: matRoss
              It is unclear why they even spend on the army.


              Interest club - outdoor recreation, three meals a day, a suit, lotions, and they also pay for this "sanatorium". Not surprisingly, their former Defense Ministry is sure that Russia attacked Georgia :)
        2. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: shark
          They obviously do not engage in drill training.


          What are you, comrade! What drill training is undemocratic! :)
          Anecdote in the topic:
          A new hunting dog, the Estonian greyhound, has been bred in Estonia. The dog is designed for hunting snails.
      3. Aryan
        Aryan 15 August 2013 09: 57 New
        +2

        "About this news fishermen everywhere made noise for a week ..."
        I see for a long time did not receive a torpedo
      4. eplewke
        eplewke 15 August 2013 11: 58 New
        +1
        aha ha !!! In one word, the "formidable" Estonian army ... aha-ha !!! rzhu-nimaga !!! laughing
      5. fedorovith
        fedorovith 15 August 2013 12: 42 New
        0
        Are they marching in circles?
    2. experienced
      experienced 15 August 2013 09: 36 New
      15
      The article can be safely placed under the heading "Humor". These are reflections on the topic: "The lessons learned by the cockroach that he did watching the bear beat the jackal"
      Especially touched
      The Russian army was prepared for war until the last button on the fly

      Well, it has already become a pan-European habit not to look at female buttocks and breasts, otherwise they will sue for harassment and look at male fly lol
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 15 August 2013 11: 10 New
        +3
        "If Russia had been preparing for war for years and knew exactly what it wanted, then Georgia did not. Georgia allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely unfortunate time." - and I thought the opposite. You will learn interesting "facts" from the article - it turns out that Russia was preparing for this war.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Russia was preparing for this war.


          No - we were preparing for war - for the possible aggression of Georgians against South Ossetia and Abkhazia. But not to the war in which we attack Georgia - we don’t need it for nothing. Damn, there were and are, after all, worthy people there - only Bagration, which is worth it, but now their politicians and the military are just "fur animals with blue fur."
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 15 August 2013 12: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        The article can be safely placed under the heading "Humor".

        Well, I don't know ... it reads like the delirium of a sick person ... a set of words .. "tense" text.
        it’s precisely for this that it minusanul ... and if not for the comments .. I would have left this page a long time ago
      3. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        Well it has already become a pan-European habit


        Yeah - that's why their army is a gay club :)
    3. Constantine
      Constantine 15 August 2013 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Hudo
      The Estonian army took Berlin;


      At exactly lol

      The author is generally all strange and his whole article is strewn with inconsistencies wassat Either Russia was preparing for war and was an aggressor, but at the same time, Georgia planned to cut off the path for the approach of assistance to Russian peacekeepers, then this:

      There were no thorough preparations for the defense of Georgia. They expected to conduct the war on the territory of either Abkhazia or South Ossetia. According to Georgians, Russian intervention was possible only in the scope of the wars of the nineties. Extensive Russian intervention was considered highly unlikely


      Uncle contradicts himself. Probably, as a reference Estonian, he did not have another 5 years to digest and realize what happened in 2008 wassat
      1. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga 15 August 2013 18: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Constantine
        Uncle contradicts himself. Probably, as a reference Estonian, he did not have enough 5 more years to digest and realize what happened in 2008 wassat

        The best analysis of the 5-day war:
        The old bear is dead. The bear cub remaining in the forest was still small, and therefore many animals felt free. The boar, to @ zel and sprats splashing in the river in full voice washed the deceased's bones, not forgetting the heir. /// A striped tiger squinted thoughtfully from a nearby forest. Unlike the others, he remembered well the old mess with a pack of wolves, in which he was lucky to be with the bear on one side and see the clubfoot in business. And he understood that it’s not just that the current wolf is trying not to spoil relations with the bear. /// On the other hand, the little bear is still small, but the forest is great, oh great! Therefore, to @ evil, boar and sprats, the tiger, just in case, amiably promised its protection in exchange for bullying a teddy bear: Nehai sits in a den and does not protrude. /// Those who understood this, in their own way, became insolent towards the end and raised such a screech in the forest about the brothers crushed and eaten by the old bear and the spoiled raspberries that sometimes even the tiger laid ears. Plus, the not very successful fuss of a teddy bear with a mountain jackal (in which he defeated barely and even then on points), which also added courage to the screamers. And if the boar, because of natural laziness, screeched only for company, and sprats gurgled among themselves and weren’t particularly heard from under the water, then @ zel, because of his hot temperament, shook his horns excitedly and threatened to bear a bear’s snooze.
        1. A. Yaga
          A. Yaga 15 August 2013 18: 49 New
          0
          The thunder struck unexpectedly: if before @ zel simply wandered around the den and belligerently bleated, to which the little bear only grumbled with displeasure, now he decided to bring to the order the chipmunk living near the den, who had long been an eyesore to his eyes. Chipmunk seems to be, from old memory, friends with a teddy bear, but this has not been seen for a long time, especially since the tiger winked approvingly from a nearby forest. /// But this time it didn’t go according to plan: all of a sudden a paw popped out of the den and moved to @ evil so that it blew loudly through the whole forest. Then a teddy bear got out of the lair, during which time he was waving almost with his dad, and went to look for where he flew to @ zel. And, judging by the expression of the muzzle, it’s not at all for apologizing. /// Everyone fell abruptly sick: k @ zel darted through the forest with horns twisted into braids and demanded that the forest community save him from the aggressive bear. The woken boar shrieked with concern, not so much out of solidarity as from the bad feeling that he could be the next in line. Sprats swept over, because of which the river was practically seething: the old bear liked to go fishing, and if the young one went to dad, then /// The tiger, who was mainly addressed to @ evil complaints, sat in philosophical thoughts: on the one hand, though k @ zel, but an ally, on the other - the bear’s claws are long and the teeth of the hoo, though less than the dad’s. There the wolf, after the bear’s claws, completely swore into the glades of others, although it seemed to be a winning business and at first it was possible to drive the bear carefully to the den. /// The wolf himself, although he did not show his sight, was still grinning to himself. He, unlike the others, kept relations with the bear, although not friendly, but even, did not climb into someone else's garden and did not risk getting between his ears. /// I have not ventured to cock the rooster due to the fact that I simply could not bite a lot because of the size. So now he was scampering over the agitated forest and trying to reconcile everyone. True, it didn’t work out: to @ zel was too scared, and the bear was so sick of it that he drove to @ evil, without being distracted by the cock cries from somewhere above. /// A boar ran behind them at a respectful distance and squealed excitedly: he had been hinted for a long time that the young bear might ask for that oak grove on the shore that the old one gave him (the boar) to use just because he did not eat acorns.
          1. A. Yaga
            A. Yaga 15 August 2013 18: 50 New
            0
            But in the same grove there was a favorite bear fishing spot, from which the bear boar survived purely from harm. Now they could recall old sins and take away the grove altogether. /// And, judging by the situation with k @ evil, there was little hope for a tiger. Sprats simply panicked: on the one hand, they were the majority in the river, on the other hand, the river separated the two forests. And, in which case, the whole movement went over their heads, regardless of their desire. Moreover, even the most insane sprats understood that for any coastal resident they are just a light snack, and who will listen to the opinion of the snack /// Meanwhile, the raccoon, which to @ zel also spoiled a lot of blood, in solidarity with the chipmunk (and using, honestly saying, a convenient moment) famously erased to @ evil marks on the path leading to his den. On the one hand, this was justified by the bestial behavior of @ evil, on the other, even a hedgehog, it was clear that now it’s very bad for @ evil. Moreover, he was also friends with a young bear, and his behavior tacitly approved that pretty much added a raccoon of courage: he is a tiger far, and a bear is close by. And, in which case, he just, like right now, put his paw /// In the bushes, the hare was quietly rejoicing, despite the dissatisfied screeching of other animals, and continued to keep neutrality at the suggestion of the tiger to put the bear on the threshold. And, as the example of @ evil showed, not in vain.
    4. rolik
      rolik 15 August 2013 14: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Hudo
      The wounded were hastily evacuated from the battlefield and the medical service worked well.

      Both the wounded and the non-wounded were hastily evacuated, moreover, they evacuated very quickly on their two driftwoods, only hearing that the Russians are coming)))))))))
  2. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 15 August 2013 07: 20 New
    15
    Tanks and artillery should not be returned to metal scrap.

    is he the only one in the whole baltic?
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 August 2013 07: 58 New
      12
      Quote: Olegovi4
      is he the only one in the whole baltic?

      You underestimate the Estonian army ... They rented a tank from Latvia. And so taam very good mnnoooooo taankooo ... 5-6 pieces, but only three
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 15 August 2013 10: 21 New
        +2
        Estron katronny tanks can expose for intimidation. am
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 09: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Olegovi4
      this is it about that one for the whole baltic

      No, there are three of them and this tank armada will become a wall before the Russian hordes wassat
      1. experienced
        experienced 15 August 2013 09: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No, there are three of them and this tank armada will become a wall before the Russian hordes

        Latvia had 2 T-55s, one was killed by Estonians. Here you can read
        Estonian military commanders are known to be waiting for a lightning attack on Russian tanks in Tallinn. This keeps them awake and raises their military-strategic minds.

        But how to stop the terrible Russian steel avalanche of tanks? There are no weapons, except for various scrap metal written off in the Scandinavian countries! But a solution was found! No wonder the Estonians are proud of their ingenuity! Estonians decided to stupidly dig holes! Yes, ordinary pits, but many! Hundreds of thousands, millions, billions. The whole country, in a single rush, one day before the Russian invasion will dig holes. In any case, it was such a plan that was announced by the Estonian Minister of Defense. For the purpose of testing such a model of strategic defense, a real tank was borrowed from Latvia - the T 55. The tank was a little pokotsat, but on the go so far. It was. Before Estonian leasing and Estonian trials. Now fraternal Estonia has halved the armored forces of Latvia. Of the two tanks, one remained operational. But the Estonians are fully convinced of their "pit war" strategy! The Estonian General Staff will present pictures of future battlefields, or rather the defeat of the Russian invaders - the endless expanses of Estonia, decorated with millions of pits from which, like carrots, Russians stick out, full of imperial ambitions, invaders and colonists, tanks!

        These tests are:


        P.S. Estonians plan to extend their initiative to all NATO countries and present their containment strategy at the upcoming summit of this organization. In view of the ongoing crisis, there is a big chance that, along with the missile defense system, the proposal of the Estonians will be considered and accepted for action in all members of the democratic, exclusively defensive and peace-loving bloc bordering on the Russian Federation.
        1. svp67
          svp67 15 August 2013 10: 16 New
          +2
          The whole country, in a single rush, will dig holes one day before the Russian invasion.
          Yes, the picture will be funny ... The main thing is to take people, so that they don’t think about anything, but that now there is equipment capable of seeing such traps, you can not remember ...
          1. experienced
            experienced 15 August 2013 10: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            Yes, the picture will be funny ... The main thing is to take people, so that they don’t think about anything, but that now there is equipment capable of seeing such traps, you can not remember ...

            There it is also planned to blow up all the bridges at once ... The main thing is not to make a mistake with the attack, otherwise they will blow up "in a frenzy", and then they will again begin to drive claims: "We dug holes, blew up the bridges, but you all do not attack!" wassat
            1. svp67
              svp67 15 August 2013 11: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: seasoned
              There it is also planned to blow up all the bridges at once ...

              And yet, drink all the moonshine so that the Russians don't get it ... Of course, you need to have plans for the time of the war, but isn't it possible that someone seriously assumes that Russia will be capable of such actions in the next decade? And when it becomes capable - how much will this action be needed? It is possible to act much easier, to carry out "expansion" into their industry, that is, to subordinate them economically, and only then politically, then they will dig holes and blow up bridges as something not "out of hand"
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 13: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: seasoned

              It is still planned to blow up all the bridges at once.

              How to blow up, but aren’t they going to step on Moscow laughing
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 13: 17 New
          +2
          In my opinion the whole Estonian army was going to see the tank wassat
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 20: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In my opinion the whole Estonian army was going to see the tank


            Not just gathered - they also touched him all together, took a picture, took it apart for souvenirs. And what is left - painted in pink - tolerance is important! :)
          2. builder
            builder 15 August 2013 20: 13 New
            +1
            No, there are three of them and this tank armada will become a wall before the Russian hordes
        3. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 58 New
          0
          Quote: seasoned
          Estonians decided to stupidly dig holes!


          Ha ha ha They need to drive along our roads - they will immediately understand that their holes are for us, that the Autobahn :)
    3. mole
      mole 15 August 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      is he the only one in the whole baltic?
      laughing
      Just be quiet, don’t tell anyone about this, they will develop a blitz krieg in relation to Our State for revealing the Great Military Secret of the Baltic states! wink
      Grand article! Napoleonic thinking in special institutions is still treated!
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 15 August 2013 19: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Olegovi4
      is he the only one in the whole baltic?


      Do they have tanks? A nightmare - we urgently need to put things in order there - teachings "Let's remember the Emperor Peter I and his covenants" :)
  3. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 15 August 2013 07: 20 New
    +4
    Better not change your mind when the enemy makes plans on incorrect information laughing
  4. Tersky
    Tersky 15 August 2013 07: 22 New
    12
    "Better a harsh truth than beautiful illusions. If Russia had been preparing for war for years and knew exactly what it wanted, Georgia did not. Georgia allowed itself to be dragged into the war at an extremely unfortunate time. The best brigade served in Iraq, and the second brigade just Part of the army was re-equipping and taking care of equipment, many officers were released on vacation. The Minister of Defense was in Italy on vacation...... "and so on. In delirium ..., probably in the forests of Estonia, NATO members sowed spores of Mexican mushrooms, and the Minister of Defense of the" superpower "mushroom picker with experience. Deeply disrespectful Mr., (Mr. .k. this abbreviation everyone can interpret taking into account their attitude towards your person wink ), Mart Laar -Do not eat mushrooms before ANNALIZING.
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 15 August 2013 07: 55 New
      +5
      Brussels ’under-tail passage has been accepted, but with mushrooms it’s necessary to tie it up.
      1. alexng
        alexng 15 August 2013 08: 09 New
        +6
        Quite right, Russia forced Georgia to attack South Ossetia. fool
        Yes, the West is in full bloom at the lysozades of the West.
        And yet, Russia is to blame for the fact that Fasciston sent the moron to them. And they don’t have others for such matters.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 15 August 2013 08: 47 New
      +3
      Greetings! I read and neighing!
      I remembered:
      "during the exercise, two Estonian special forces soldiers drowned when they were crossing the river."
      Have you seen rivers in Estonia? The ditch behind my house is bigger wassat they probably just fell asleep ...
      an aggressive and unpredictable country ruled by insane moral morals

      Not a r a d
      1. Very old
        Very old 15 August 2013 09: 16 New
        +1
        Klim, how do you ... In Russia, they never scoffed at the wretched
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 09: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Very old
          In Russia, they never scoffed at the miserable

          But who is mocking here, it will just be necessary, we knock out teeth and that’s all.
    3. Very old
      Very old 15 August 2013 09: 13 New
      +1
      Victor, sarcasm before ... However, enough for the Chukhites
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 15 August 2013 21: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Very old
        Victor, sarcasm before ..

        Valentine, well, so all their movements are sheer sarcasm, insanity, idiocy. A vivid example of the proof to my words of this creation by Mr. Martha Laar ...
  5. domokl
    domokl 15 August 2013 07: 24 New
    +6
    I don’t know the military rank of this former Minister of Defense, but the level of targeting is maximum for Staff Major-Lieutenant Colonel. The usual processing of other people's thoughts is in no way related to the task that the author positioned at the beginning. There is no answer to what Estonia can do against Russia.
    Article minus. With such warriors, Estonians can sleep peacefully for a long time. Unless, of course, they think about some military solutions to issues
    1. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 15 August 2013 08: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl

      domokl


      Today, 07: 24

      ↓ New


      I don’t know the military rank of this former Minister of Defense, but the level of targeting is maximum for Major Lieutenant Colonel


      Korea is just a civilian, since the terms are not professional, I read the Internet as some people think!
    2. PPL
      PPL 15 August 2013 08: 53 New
      +3
      ... maximum target level at staff major ...


      Do not guess, read the official sources:
      "As a politician, Laar wrote several books on the history of Estonia and Russia. In addition, he was a history teacher in Tallinn, as well as chairman of the Council of Historians at the Estonian Heritage Foundation, the Society for the Preservation of Estonian History and the Society of Estonian Students. In 1983, Laar graduated from the University of Tartu , in 1995 at the same university he received a master's degree in history, and in 2005 he defended his doctoral dissertation. During his studies at the university he actively participated in the work of the Komsomol organization of the university. "
      .
      "Since 2006, he was an adviser to Georgian President Saakashvili. According to Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet, one of the parts of Laar's activities (in addition to consulting)" to explain to the President and the Government of Georgia what moods prevail now in the EU and NATO, so that Tbilisi behaves as more realistic. ”He fulfilled these duties until the August 2008 war.

      In 2010, he was invited to the position of Advisor to the Government of Moldova.

      In July 2011, Laar made a statement that in the event of a military conflict with Russia, units of the Estonian Defense Forces would be able to suspend the advancing Russian tanks until NATO forces approach, and also said that training of partisan units for similar purposes had already begun in Estonia. Russia's Permanent Representative to NATO Dmitry Rogozin described Laar as a "violent dreamer" and advised him to "take antidepressants more often." A little later, the Estonian Defense Minister announced plans to create tank units in the country. "

      After all, there’s nothing to add, although no, I’ll add on my own, the rank of corporal would be suitable for Laara, as one famous character ... lol
    3. Very old
      Very old 15 August 2013 09: 18 New
      +1
      EEE- do not need me under ___ t, Brussels thinks for me
    4. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 15 August 2013 10: 29 New
      0
      "... maximum for the staff major-lieutenant colonel.
      Here you are indecently flattering to the Minister of Defense (former). He doesn’t even pull on a military instructor at school. Just a little zapukkkkkany man of his own speculation. belay belay belay
  6. dirty trick
    dirty trick 15 August 2013 07: 31 New
    +5
    put article +, exceptional entertaining reading!
    I have to give it credit - these clowns are trying their best to "make a good face with a bad game" !!! wassat
  7. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 15 August 2013 07: 38 New
    +2
    All these lessons are bullshit. The only task that Estonia (and the Baltics as a whole) is currently solving, but will not decide: will NATO go to an open conflict with Russia, if suddenly Estonia "allows itself to be dragged into" a war over the beaches of Jurmala (or what it has valuable - balm old tallinn)?
    1. matross
      matross 15 August 2013 10: 53 New
      0
      Quote: serge-68-68
      Estonia "will allow itself to be drawn" into the war for the beaches of Jurmala (or what has it of value there - the balm of old Tallinn)?

      So Jurmala is in Latvia, they don’t have that either laughing
      And "Old Tallinn", by the way, is not a balm, but a liqueur drinks and this is their only strategic product ...
  8. crambol
    crambol 15 August 2013 07: 46 New
    +1
    ... nationalist Mart Laar managed to be both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense of Estonia


    Reasoning of the former Minister of Defense at the level of company strategist.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 15 August 2013 08: 07 New
      11
      Mart Laar, like he ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 09: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: sergey72
        Mart Laar, like he ...

        Seeing this Russian Airborne Forces will stop in shock laughing
        1. rolik
          rolik 15 August 2013 14: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Seeing this Russian Airborne Forces will stop in shock

          Pause to suppress an attack of deafening laughter))))
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 15 August 2013 10: 31 New
        +6
        Kota, scyko, tortured to death!
      3. rolik
        rolik 15 August 2013 14: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: sergey72
        Mart Laar, like him ..

        true thinker)))) Poor cat / cat, which owner got)))))))
  9. viazma
    viazma 15 August 2013 08: 02 New
    18
    (Georgia allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely bad time). I wanted to fart but crap)
  10. Bosk
    Bosk 15 August 2013 08: 06 New
    +3
    Hope for NATO, but keep your gunpowder dry .....- not weak for an Estonian politician, though I would slightly correct here "Hope for NATO, but don't be stupid yourself" in the sense of being friends with your head. At least many have learned a lesson - if you have a mighty NAT-yuk behind your back ... this does not mean that you can be limitless.
  11. treskoed
    treskoed 15 August 2013 08: 09 New
    11
    With difficulty, but Estonia is beginning to understand this, and this is taken into account in the new program of development of state defense.

    Key phrase.
  12. Whole
    Whole 15 August 2013 08: 20 New
    +5
    Therefore, the clash with the Russian army was a complete surprise and shock for Georgian soldiers, from which they could not recover for several days.
    Of course, it was a shock, to shoot a defenseless city from "grads" as it was apparently pleasant. Yes, and driving around in armored cars and firing machine guns to shoot this on a mobile phone is much more interesting, but this is such a splash. And in my opinion they still cannot recover like this and keep their pants down, and the ties in the bins of the homeland have been stocked up for years to come. Article plus-clean neighing, definitely a deep analysis laughing
  13. Kubanets
    Kubanets 15 August 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    Well, what is the analysis? And not any. In such a situation, the Chukhonts would not have resisted even 5 days. They would have sat quietly like "mice under a broom" (Lukashenko)
  14. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 15 August 2013 08: 26 New
    11
    If they themselves had not fought and, despite all the mistakes and unsuccessful dispositions, at least for a few days, had not slowed down the advance of the Russian troops, the Georgian state would have been swept away and the leadership would have switched to a completely different government. Despite all the mistakes, the Georgian state was saved by the Georgians themselves.

    What's this? He really believes that the Georgians stopped the Russian Army on the approaches to Tbilisi, which prevented the regime change in Georgia? belay Yes, it’s like this guy not only ate mushrooms, Saakashvili apparently shared a tie with him.
    And the conclusion for Estonia should be the same: sit quietly, sculpt your sprats and not lean out. And then after all, Tallinn can be renamed back to Revel.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 15 August 2013 11: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      . And then after all, Tallinn can be renamed back to Revel.

      Hi Zhenya!
      I suggest the old Russian name of this place - Kolyvan!
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 15 August 2013 16: 00 New
        0
        Good day, Andrey! hi You can and Kolyvan. That's just the name it is associated with the cartoon character smile Apparently not in vain. Although I like this city.
    2. builder
      builder 15 August 2013 20: 19 New
      0
      What's this? He really believes that the Georgians stopped the Russian Army on the approaches to Tbilisi

      We would have given them if they had caught up with us wink
  15. Regis
    Regis 15 August 2013 08: 32 New
    +2
    The author is a clown divorced from reality. But it's nice to read how they are afraid of us)))
  16. igor36
    igor36 15 August 2013 08: 39 New
    +4
    And does the former defense minister write this? He is not a relative of Serdyuk? Brother of reason clearly. What are the lessons for Estonia? Does Russia have territorial claims against Estonia ?.
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    And then after all, Tallinn can be renamed back to Revel.

    Before Revel, Tallinn Kolyvana was called
  17. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 15 August 2013 08: 41 New
    +1
    Estonia is still blind ... But there is some truth in the article about the minuses of the Russian army.
  18. Sinbad
    Sinbad 15 August 2013 08: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    I don’t know the military rank of this former Minister of Defense, but the level of targeting is maximum for Staff Major-Lieutenant Colonel. The usual processing of other people's thoughts is in no way related to the task that the author positioned at the beginning. There is no answer to what Estonia can do against Russia.
    Article minus. With such warriors, Estonians can sleep peacefully for a long time. Unless, of course, they think about some military solutions to issues

    Yes, no respected, he has a much higher level of thinking, a colonel general with progressive insanity, who brought this scribble and pointed his finger where to sign!
  19. dimon-media
    dimon-media 15 August 2013 08: 47 New
    +3
    10. At NATO, hope, but keep the powder dry. International relations are extremely important, but in the end you can still hope only for yourself. Georgia’s hope that someone will provide effective assistance to it did not come true during the war. If they didn’t fight themselves and, despite all the mistakes and unsuccessful dealings, they didn’t slow down the advancement of the Russian troops even for a few days, the Georgian state would be swept away, and the leadership would be transferred to a completely different government. Despite all the mistakes, the Georgians themselves saved the Georgian state.

    Honestly, I have not read such a heresy in my life. I want to ask Mart Laar: - Grassy grass, huh?
  20. late
    late 15 August 2013 08: 52 New
    +2
    He laughed for a long time both at the article and at the comments! By the way, Estonia went the right way - halva and chocolate are added to the diet of Estonian soldiers, and, as you know, caffeine and glucose have a beneficial effect on the brain!))) It’s a pity that only a brain transplant will help the author of the article, I wish him to live to those days when humanity learns to do this, it will be one of the first in line.
  21. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 15 August 2013 08: 58 New
    +4
    Fascinating reading. Zadornov need to send))))
  22. dimon-media
    dimon-media 15 August 2013 09: 04 New
    +1
    I can also say so about the article: -"Ward № 6"
  23. Pacifist
    Pacifist 15 August 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    Why did he smoke ??? This is not an analysis, but complete nonsense. Does he seriously believe that we have something to do with Estonia? They are getting ready. All preparation of the Baltic states for war can only consist in stocking up diapers. If there is a desire, the Baltic states will be a Council ... oh, sorry Russian for 5 hours. Another thing is that they didn’t fall for anyone. Reminds of the fable "An elephant was taken down the street." With such analysts, they can simply abolish the Armed Forces, even if they save money.
  24. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 15 August 2013 09: 14 New
    +6
    Lessons from the Five Day War for Estonia-Two people are talking:

    - My paPPA and momma never had children.

    “Then where are you from?”

    - I'm from EsToonia ...

    They say that five meals a day are planned in the Estonian army ... laughing
  25. kafa
    kafa 15 August 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    sinfully miserable over the wretched am
  26. Watchman
    Watchman 15 August 2013 09: 21 New
    +2
    In general, in order to repulse Russian aggression, Estonia needs to adopt 30000 tanks, 5000 aircraft, and somewhere to find 3 soldiers and officers.
  27. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 15 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    And I was struck by this: "... Besides, they too trusted the technical intelligence of NATO, which, however, completely slept through the concentration of Russian troops near the border, from where they were able to quickly move to South Ossetia." NATO was Georgian intelligence? Not weak.
  28. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 15 August 2013 09: 28 New
    +4
    The lessons of Estonia are its lessons! but we need to draw conclusions, too, and very serious! if the fact of the bombing of their own forces really took place - then this is PPC! In Chechnya, it was like fire too! and then they will talk about the uselessness of interspecific teachings! Learn to learn and hone interaction!
  29. derik1970
    derik1970 15 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +3
    In the photo in the article, a task is being performed - firing from a closed firing position. The Estonian artillerymen seem to be firing towards the forest with apparently purely blank charges (there is a lot of smoke) and directly at the "wall" of the forest. And if not blank, then otherwise the pines would have fallen, since the elevation angle of the gun barrel is very small, and the pines are very high. It is evident that they are simply photographed after the shot ...
  30. Sinbad
    Sinbad 15 August 2013 09: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Hitrovan07
    And I was struck by this: "... Besides, they too trusted the technical intelligence of NATO, which, however, completely slept through the concentration of Russian troops near the border, from where they were able to quickly move to South Ossetia." NATO was Georgian intelligence? Not weak.

    From here, one single conclusion can be made. The CTO funded the Georgian attack on South Ossetia ...
  31. Stiletto
    Stiletto 15 August 2013 09: 37 New
    +5
    "Georgia allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely unfortunate time. The best brigade served in Iraq, and the second brigade was just about to replace it. Part of the army was being rearmed and was taking care of equipment, many officers were released on vacation. The Minister of Defense was in Italy. on vacation "- AND THAT WOULD THEM TO US - UUUU !!! laughing Let them come back from vacation, we repeat? It was not for nothing that the Georgians wrote on the fence: learn the materiel - we will return - we will check! In fact, I have great respect for the Georgian people, but with fierce hatred and disgust for its traitor, misunderstanding of Mishiko, the NATO litter.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 15 August 2013 13: 30 New
      -1
      Quote: Stiletto
      “Georgia allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely unfortunate time. The best brigade served in Iraq, and the second brigade was just about to replace it. Part of the army was being rearmed and was taking care of equipment, many officers were released on leave. The Minister of Defense was in Italy. on a rest"

      ) The First Brigade in Iraq was the Second Brigade they had training (it would be rotation in Iraq) The Third Brigade had just returned and they had a Rest! The Fifth Brigade was not created completely! Only the 4-I and 2-I Brigade was On ready) well, in truth, it’s not strange if Georgia was planning this War)))) So that Half the staff was not Ready! Very strange
      1. experienced
        experienced 15 August 2013 13: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: GEOKING95
        The First Brigade in Iraq was the Second Brigade they had training (it would be rotation in Iraq) The Third Brigade had just returned and they had a Rest! The Fifth Brigade was not created completely! Only the 4th and 2nd Brigade was On ready) well, in truth, it’s not strange if Georgia was planning this War)))) So that Half of the composition was not Ready! Very strange

        It means that your Saakashvilli iduot in a cube that at this time began shelling Tskhinvali from MLRS. Or will you assert that it was not the Georgian "Smerchs" that were beating a peaceful city, and that Russian peacekeepers fired at the Georgian ones. If you got shit, so streamline, and do not cry that the moment was unfortunate. The result would have been the same, just more trophies would have gotten to Russia.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 15 August 2013 14: 43 New
          0
          Quote: seasoned
          So your Saakashvilli is from the cube

          yes he is) but
          Quote: seasoned
          that at that time he began shelling Tskhinval from the MLRS.

          Quote: seasoned
          Or will you assert that these are not Georgian "Tornadoes"

          We have no "Smnrcha" and never had! video where you can see What the MLRS shoots but you can't see where! As I know, they fired at the position of the separatists on the outskirts of the City) to Sozhelenyu and Gradi popodalis and in the City too!
          Quote: seasoned
          and, and this is the Russian peacekeepers fired at the Georgian.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck8_CGa5fUI 5:36 посмотрите )


          http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/263705.html
          http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/438748.html
          http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/440020.html
          http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/445358.html
          http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/462492.html

          http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/439106.html и интересно вот это
          And in this case, of course, I believe that Russia should, of course, very quickly respond to such a blow - rapid response units should have been introduced within a few hours. Moreover, your peacekeepers, peacekeepers of your side, who are in this region, are also beaten by tanks. We will now leave aside even the question that these peacekeepers ceased to be peacekeepers from the moment they let the Ossetian spotter of artillery fire into their barracks.

          this man is a Veteran of the Two Chechen Wars and the celebrity Photos of the war in August, his hands are doing) Read) he ish there says that there were not any murders of children and women
  32. p-159
    p-159 15 August 2013 09: 49 New
    +1
    Estonia is preparing to repel the onset of RMTO. the question is by whom and how it seems to me that there will be enough of them somewhere for several hours
  33. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 15 August 2013 09: 53 New
    +2
    While they have such "defense ministers" - we have nothing to fear)))
  34. Ross
    Ross 15 August 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: seasoned
    The article can be safely placed under the heading "Humor". These are reflections on the topic: "The lessons learned by the cockroach that he did watching the bear beat the jackal"
    Especially touched
    The Russian army was prepared for war until the last button on the fly

    Well, it has already become a pan-European habit not to look at female buttocks and breasts, otherwise they will sue for harassment and look at male fly lol

    They contacted Geyropa, and this will not happen.
    In general, the article is nonsense of a sick schizophrenic.
  35. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 15 August 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    No need to repeat. There people died I was there. On the eve of one colleague, I said that if this ub *** ok will start a war, he will win. The guy started laughing at it, I told him you didn’t understand if the Russians and Georgians start shooting at each other, Saakashvili will win. I know and love this people very well.
  36. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 August 2013 09: 58 New
    +4
    The only lesson Estonia can learn from the five-day war is that the Master is far away, and Russia is close and better sitting quietly, so that the Estonians are like aliens, like they are, but no one has seen or heard them.
  37. crambol
    crambol 15 August 2013 10: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    And the conclusion for Estonia should be the same: sit quietly, sculpt your sprats and not lean out. And then you can rename Tallinn back to Revel


    Bravo! Yes, and Vilnius to boot!
    And they have sprats, by the way, yum-yum!
  38. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 15 August 2013 10: 08 New
    +1
    The Estonian army lives in illusions as well as the Georgian leadership.

    And she also naively relies on NATO assistance - in the event of a full-scale conflict, the Estonian army will not be able to exist for a long time even if it is stuffed with superfood with modern NATO technology.
    In this case, the Estonians will return to their usual sabotage and terrorist activities.
    They will be attacked from around the corner - perhaps actions on their part against the civilian population are also possible.

    DO NOT forget that the national hero of ESTONIA - TSUKURS executioner and killer of women and children (this is already in the blood of Estonians)
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 15 August 2013 11: 19 New
      +1
      It is not necessary to ascribe to the Estonians alien merits, Cukurs-Latvian.

      Mäe, Hälmar
      Angelus, Oscar
      Tiif, Otto
      Uluots, Yuri

      These are Estonians.
  39. ivachum
    ivachum 15 August 2013 10: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: Stiletto
    "Georgia allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely unfortunate time.


    "Wars start when they want, but end when they can." Niccolo Machiavelli am

    They started when they wanted ... Somewhere I already saw it ... by J. Goebbels, it seems ... laughing

    "On June 22, 1941, Germany allowed itself to be drawn into the war at an extremely unfortunate time."
  40. Aleksandr
    Aleksandr 15 August 2013 10: 21 New
    +1
    "They expected to wage the war on the territory of either Abkhazia or South Ossetia. According to the Georgians, Russia's intervention was only possible in the scope of the wars of the nineties. Extensive intervention of Russian troops was considered extremely unlikely" --- "If Russia had been preparing for war for years and knew for sure , what it wants, then Georgia - no "--- author -> author -> author burns))))))))
  41. Belogor
    Belogor 15 August 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    "The Russian army was prepared for war down to the last button on the fly."
    The author did not specify whether the fly was buttoned or unfastened? Judging by the results, probably the second option
  42. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 15 August 2013 10: 59 New
    +1
    If something happens, then these warriors will beat the Georgians in terms of speed of retreat.
  43. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 15 August 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    "The Georgian army lived with illusions. There were no fundamental preparations for the defense of Georgia. The war was expected to be conducted on the territory of either Abkhazia or South Ossetia." - I didn't understand something, so did the Georgians intend to defend themselves in Georgia or fight in Abkhazia and South Ossetia?))
  44. dc120mm
    dc120mm 15 August 2013 11: 20 New
    -6
    In general, the man wrote the truth. About the Georgian army especially.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 15 August 2013 12: 26 New
      +2
      To speak beautifully does not mean to speak the truth.
      You really know how to speak beautifully.
      Only we have a good memory ... we remember very well how you greyhounds and greyhounds scorched by the words sukashvilli .. as imagined themselves superpuperfats ..
      Who did the bandits do?
      February 1, 2006In the zone of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict Russian peacekeepers again beaten. ... This, in particular, explains the so fast arrival of almost five hundred Georgian troops at the scene.

      Are these bandits again?
      Georgian side let go Russian peacekeepersdetained on Tuesday in the Zugdidi region of Georgia after an accident. ... According to the general, Georgians beat the senior convoy - senior military observer Lt. Col. Salapov and seized personal items 40 ...

      but how your cock saakashvulli sings .... beautifully floods ...
      Quote: dc120mm
      Saakashvili: Russian peacekeepers beat Georgian police. ... If this (beating of Georgian policemen) took place during wartime, their actions could be qualified as a war crime, "Saakashvili said.

      That is, beating Peacekeepers is not a crime in your opinion?
      Enjoy.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 15 August 2013 13: 54 New
        -2
        Quote: Scoun
        The Georgian side released the Russian peacekeepers detained on Tuesday in the Zugdidi region of Georgia after an accident. ... According to the general, the Georgians beat the senior convoy - senior military observer, Lt. Col. Salapov and seized 40 personal belongings ...
        but how your cock saakashvulli sings .... beautifully floods ...

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrhN-Eft950
        Here is the video! Drinking Soldiers how are you?

        Quote: Scoun
        Enjoy.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIsgrZVm2DE
        to what) how were three Georgian Police officers detained who guarded the Patriotic Camp where the Most Children are?
        Quote: Scoun
        1 February 2006 Russian peacekeepers again beaten in the Georgian-Ossetian conflict zone. ... This, in particular, explains the so fast arrival of almost five hundred Georgian military personnel at the scene.

        is 500 Man on foot reached the incident or what?
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 16 August 2013 10: 38 New
          0
          Quote: GEOKING95
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrhN-Eft950
          Here is the video! Drinking Soldiers how are you?

          Here ... they arranged fake accidents, arranged all these provocations, and as an answer they caught it so immediately - "miiii wheeeeeelii pusiiiiiistye."
          Quote: GEOKING95
          is 500 Man on foot reached the incident or what?

          these 500 people sat and waited for the signal ... because it was another planned provocation ... and in general, why did they have to send as many as 500 people? what type of show the skill, mobility and speed of the "brave" Georgian military?
          You know .. sometimes it’s useful to admit your mistakes .. life is much easier.
  45. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 15 August 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    ARTICLE BOUGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to perform in the circus!))))))))))))
  46. Petergut
    Petergut 15 August 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    Funny post. Thank you, Comrade Mart Laar, neighing. laughing
  47. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 15 August 2013 11: 49 New
    +1
    Complete nonsense, a man who makes a helmet out of foil to Kotu

    When I found out that he was an adviser to Saki, then everything immediately became clear

    But about the fire on their aircraft infantry and vice versa, if suddenly true, upset!
  48. Alexey M
    Alexey M 15 August 2013 11: 51 New
    0
    Did everyone read carefully the article? Conclusions are generally correct, so it’s in vain to rumble. If you follow these conclusions, the correct measures will be of great benefit.
  49. Proud.
    Proud. 15 August 2013 12: 24 New
    0
    Laar's chef should be severely punished, he obviously mixes unknown additives into his food (maybe some mushrooms, maybe sprinkles with dichlorvos). upside down. It is impossible to draw the right lessons from his article, propaganda article about the "white, immaculate fluff" of modern Georgia.
  50. Petergut
    Petergut 15 August 2013 12: 40 New
    +3
    For five years, the ex-Minister of Defense of Estonia, Mart Laar, reflected on the lessons of the five-day war for Estonia ... Thought and thought ... Thought and thought ... Since 2008 ... Analyzed ... And again thought ... Compared the facts and delved deeply into events ... 5 years ... Reflected ... Thought ...
    Everyone was waiting for when such a lump of strategic military thought as Mart Laar would give out the results of his thoughts ... 5 years they waited for the issuance of thoughts ...
    And he betrayed. laughing laughing laughing