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Supporters of the SS Division "Galicia" are already preparing to cross the Dnieper

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Supporters of the SS Division "Galicia" are already preparing to cross the Dnieper



This is my last article on the “Military Review” from a series devoted to issues and problems of the crisis of self-identification of Russians in Ukraine through the eyes of a Russian-speaking citizen of Ukraine. The Russian world is retreating. I sincerely hope that someone will continue to write on this topic more seriously, professionally, scientifically and substantively. And the problem is very urgent.

While the Russian media are distressing about the ceremonial reburial of the remains of the “warriors” of the SS division “Galicia” in Western Ukraine with the participation of German attributes of the SS and Wehrmacht, the processes have gone much further and even closer to the borders of Russia.

Krivoy Rog Fall

So, still studying at school in distant 90-e., In textbooks stories Ukraine was a continuous dualism. It is clear that the authorities had “red” directors; the country needed to develop, rather than stand on barricades. Dualism in brief consisted of the following formula: “yours and ours”. It seems to be democratic. If you are a citizen of Ukraine, you are obliged to know the Ukrainian language and respect the regions of the country, where there are other traditions, culture and another story. As if nothing complicated. Not on my own city street and for 1000 km from the Carpathians, will the UPA parade be held ?! Many closed their eyes ..

This is a “familiar” picture in Western Ukraine! Honoring SS "Galicia". There has never been a fairy tale about the "bad" and "good" members of the UPA, everything is here and its heroes!




We were taught from childhood that, they say, the OUN of the UPA was heterogeneous, and there is no need to dump everything, namely, to call all the UPA participants accomplices of Nazism. Those. there were “bad” banderovtsy who, under the leadership of Melnik, decided solely to rely on the might of the German bayonet in the struggle for the independence of Ukraine against the Bolsheviks. But there were also "good" Bandera who heroically and desperately fought on two fronts, against the Wehrmacht and against the Red Army. And there were such villains, because of which the entire UPA movement was compromised, it is, of course, members of the SS Division "Galicia", who not only relied on the help of the Germans, but also became their combat unit. Here they are, and were 100% as alcohol, accomplices of fascism. Further, Ukrainian experts, as a rule, differently substantiated the cause of the emergence of this division. Some said that the Bolsheviks in 1939-1941 so terrorized the people in Galicia, that he was ready to rush into the arms of the devil. Others argued that this military compound was formed by force. Thus, the Ukrainian society was shown three different “fighters” for independence, not forgetting to mention that there were provocations by the NKVD under the guise of UPA. So it was in the textbooks 90-x in the section on the topic: OUN-UPA, that now I do not know!

Tacit social contract violated

But there were years, decades. Ukrainian society was “accustomed” at first to the marches of nationalists, then to the marches to UPA veterans in the capital, and now the veterans of the SS Division “Galicia” are taking the stage. Why hide? The old generation is gone. New has grown on the "new" textbooks and media. But the tragedy is that it is no longer limited to Western Ukraine !! People!!! We did not have time to wean out of the thought that the supporters of Freedom had stormed the mayor of Odessa (the first city), which at the beginning of the 2000s, was difficult to imagine how this spring in the city Krivoy Rog, Dnipropetrovsk region commemorated the march "warriors" SS Division "Galicia". And here comes the moment of truth ... Southeastern Ukraine, no one else even tries to sweeten the pill in the form of a fairy tale: “bad” and “good” police, take it and swallow it as it is! All those who killed Soviet soldiers and Russians, and no matter with whom in the union, are heroes! Game over. Time comrades gone. The play called “tolerance” to other eastern regions is over, leave the auditorium and go out! They became closely in Western Ukraine. They are preparing to cross the Dnieper. Krivoy Rog, this is not a bell, this is a bell !!!

SHOCK: And this is a city Krivoy Rog. Also honoring the SS Division "Galicnia". What historical relation does this have to the Dnieper region is not clear !?




For a resident of Russia, perhaps this is a shock. But if I raise this topic in the urban resources of my Russian-speaking city of Berdyansk, then at best they will write to me: “Do not provoke a split in Ukraine,” but how often does it happen: “The Kremlin trill and Putin litter went away from here.” All these links, I indicated in previous publications. Children and grandchildren of yesterday’s military servicemen and workers from the RSFSR are becoming Russian-speaking Russophobes, and then to the maximum.

Special attention should be paid to the phenomenon of “doustiness” of Eastern-Ukrainian “patriotism”. I even met him in the comments to my articles on the “Military Review” of guests from Ukraine. The bottom line comes down: “Yes, if Bandera comes to me in Donetsk, then I will give them on the head!” Did I not see something that someone in Krivoy Rog gave on the head? City of workers is silently swallowed! I give a tooth, in 3-5 years, we can see this on the streets of Kharkov and Donetsk. It is already not just about the nationalists! And as always, the philosophical question for all countries where the line between patriotism, nationalism and fascism ?! What geopolitical consequences this has for Russia, I think it is not necessary to explain! Our power elite of Ukraine missed when they removed the filter "tolerance."

Separate attention deserves the virus consumer "culture", which is rampant in the cities of one million people: Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Donetsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye. And then everyone wonders why in the Russian-speaking Odessa no one stood up for the Russian flag when the American group Bloodhound Gang publicly mocked it.

PS I am not a Ukrainophobe, I know Ukrainian, I am a fan of the football and Olympic team of Ukraine, but I cannot keep silent!
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  1. domokl
    domokl 13 August 2013 06: 38 New
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    I already know what the nationalists of Ukraine will write, come and see .. We don’t know at all that the SS were honored. And the author has long respected his position and courage. I argue with him in some comments, but overall I'm glad that not everything is Ukraine pretend that nothing is happening. An unambiguous plus article
    1. experienced
      experienced 13 August 2013 08: 01 New
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      This is my last article on “Military Review” from a cycle devoted to issues and problems of the crisis of self-identification of Russians in Ukraine through the eyes of a Russian-speaking citizen of Ukraine

      Pity crying Write well with soul good Continue, it’s clear that you are in the subject and therefore the material is good. hi
      Now on the topic, it seems to me that it would be possible to finish with these "leaps" of Ukraine if the GDP and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia took it seriously. But apparently so far these games have not gone so far as to suppress them and the old rule is in effect: "Whatever the child is amused with, if only it does not become pregnant." IMHO
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 13 August 2013 08: 52 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        But apparently so far these games have not gone so far as to suppress them and the old rule is in effect: "Whatever the child is amused with, if only it does not become pregnant."

        Alex, hi ! This "child" has been pregnant for a long time, and that it is far from being a secret in his womb. No matter how Ukraine had to recall the experience of abortion for 44 years to terminate the "pregnancy". For a man in the street, the same Kryvyi Rih, this is still just "kids" in the sandbox, but "kids" grow into uncle and aunt. The author is right - this is no longer a call, it is an alarm.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 09: 14 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        I think it would be possible to finish with these "leaps" of Ukraine if the GDP and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia took it seriously.

        Lech, do we even need it? 22 years of independence, but the child does not grow wiser with age, but only degrades. Let them live as they want. They want to walk in their cities in the form of SS, the road is way, while the wind is without stones.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 13 August 2013 10: 36 New
          +7
          Lech, do we even need it?


          Maybe not! request
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 13 August 2013 12: 37 New
            +3
            So many bases will not be built-tear.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 13 August 2013 11: 11 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Lech, do we even need it? 22 years of independence, but the child does not grow wiser with age, but only degrades. Let them live themselves as they want.

          Of course, Russia will not be lost. But give the Nazis Ukrainian land?
          Do not stop them at the gate - tomorrow they will be in the yard.
          With all due respect, Alexander, such attitudes are not permissible.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 13 August 2013 09: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Already know what the nationalists of Ukraine will write, come and see .. In general, no one knows that the SS cheated.

      Let them write what they want, but I am sure that the "SS-Galitsaev" and their current followers are waiting for their "Nuremberg trials", even if not in "this" world - in "that" for sure.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 13 August 2013 11: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Garrin
        Let them write what they want, but I am sure that the "SS-Galitsaev" and their current followers are waiting for their "Nuremberg trials", even if not in "this" world - in "that" for sure.

        There were many "big" and "small" trials similar to the Nuremberg trials in the Ukrainian SSR, and apparently it was not enough ...
        The current manifestations of the fascist-ultra-nationalist movements are a clear indicator of the course of Ukraine, which is being dragged into the "embrace" of the Uvrosoyuz and NATO ...

        Nalygach - A belt or rope worn on the horns of harnessed oxen and serving as a pretext.
      2. Far East
        Far East 13 August 2013 12: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Garrin
        even if not in "this" world - in "that" for sure.

        And WE live on it! It hurts me, and it is bitter to see, hear I served in Ukraine and everyone treated me with respect for a simple matter! do you believe in that "LIGHT"? TYPE I LIVED AND THERE IS A FLOOD! well, well, like an adult! And how will our children then live with it? BROTHER will go to BROTHER again! hi
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 13 August 2013 13: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: Far East
          it pains me, and it’s bitter to see, hear, I served in Ukraine and everyone treated with respect for the simple!

          Times are changing and now this fascist brown plague is spreading through the fraternal country and has already crawled to Krivoy Rog.It is painful and bitter to see and hear how my fellow countrymen succumb to this propaganda and become fascists.
          Quote: Far East
          do you believe in that "LIGHT"? TYPE I LIVED AND THERE IS A FLOOD!

          And I believe that there is a HIGH COURT, not human. Therefore, you need to live in such a way as not to get to this court as an accused.

          Quote: Far East
          and how will our children live with this later? BROTHER will go to BROTHER again! hi

          And our children will live the way we educate them, something that is not fascists, that's for sure, at least I can vouch for my own.
      3. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 39 New
        +1
        The "Nuremberg Trials" are also not ideal. The special nationality of "Attorneys" from the American and Anglo-Saxon forces, she also did things there - be healthy. A fair trial is a utopia, everyone has their own interests. And first they fed, then set them on, then supplied, then condemned.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 09: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      Already know what the nationalists of Ukraine will write, come and see .. In general, no one knows that the SS cheated

      Ukraine now reminds me of Moldova, there, too, a handful of non-people rule the whole country, and the people are silent. What or who prevents hundreds of men from gathering and piling on these "heroes" ??? My hut is on the edge and nothing else.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 13 August 2013 11: 12 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ukraine now reminds me of Moldova, there, too, a handful of non-people rule the whole country, and the people are silent. What or who prevents hundreds of men from gathering and piling on these "heroes" ??? My hut is on the edge and nothing else.

        A hundred will not help. Hundreds have already gathered, though under different flags.
        Tens of thousands are needed even on the scale of Moldova.
      2. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 41 New
        0
        With us you probably think that otherwise?
    4. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 13 August 2013 09: 13 New
      +2
      For reference http://www.stena.ee/blog/na-lvovschie-torzhestvenno-perezahoronili-ostanki-eseso
      vtsev-vaffen-ss-galichiny
      The temple is understandable not the Russian Orthodox Church but the Uniate or Denisenkovsky.
    5. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 34 New
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      The Russians were also part of the German Wehrmacht and the SS, but to imagine how they are marching in "memory watches" through our streets today is nonsense ... and tomorrow, it is quite possible with our "tolerance" and teaching history, and the lack of patriotic education of youth ... Why not !
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 13 August 2013 06: 39 New
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    Good article. Honestly, these "Galichinians" in Krivoy Rog really shocked. But their appearance and advancement to the east is a direct consequence of the policy of dualism, or, to put it simply, the desire to sit on a chair and eat a fish and hand over bones.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 09: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      Honestly, these "Galichinians" in Krivoy Rog really shocked

      And where were those who were against?
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 13 August 2013 21: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And where were those who were against?

        Good question. It hurts to realize it, but the others are either "for" or "I don't care." 22 years of brainwashing ...
        1. Nevsky
          13 August 2013 21: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Ziksura
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And where were those who were against?

          Good question. It hurts to realize it, but the others are either "for" or "I don't care." 22 years of brainwashing ...


          And this is a problem unfortunately ...
      2. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 42 New
        +2
        At work, earning a living. Unlike the young loafers they feed.
  3. Garrin
    Garrin 13 August 2013 06: 46 New
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    I am not a Ukrainophobe, I know the Ukrainian language, I support the football and Olympic team of Ukraine, but I can’t keep silent!

    Thank you for not being silent !!!
  4. Narkom
    Narkom 13 August 2013 06: 51 New
    +5
    And you read the memories of the Germans about these "warriors", apparently their happiness that in the reports the mat is hidden.
  5. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 13 August 2013 07: 04 New
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    Why didn’t they defend the Russian flag in an elite night club? Everything is very simple. The bulk of the inhabitants of Odessa works and does not have time and money for major entertainment venues. The main backbone of the visiting money bags. A large percentage of Russians, that’s the question for them. why applauded.
    Why do the Essens walk around? A question to the authorities. Instead of dispersing such processions (see the laws of Ukraine), the authorities are guarded by reinforced police and "bird" units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But the most interesting thing is that in front of the column, as a rule, a puffy turkey in a police uniform with shoulder straps no lower than a colonel walks. Painfully, the forces are unequal among the people and the authorities. Here is the answer to whom it benefits.
    And this bandit-banderoessess lawlessness will continue until we stop butt and unite.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 13 August 2013 11: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Why didn’t they defend the Russian flag in an elite night club? Everything is very simple. The bulk of the inhabitants of Odessa works and does not have time and money for major entertainment venues.

      Then another question: why in Kiev were so connived when these punks urinated on the Ukrainian flag? Yes, because for a long time and all put on the flag, country and justice.
      It would be full of belly ...
      1. German
        German 14 August 2013 03: 18 New
        0
        And the whole joke is that we are all here on the site, very competent and brave ... Did someone do something? Or at least try? NO! And take and spit on everything to drop into the snout of the overgrown major or Natsik or cop? Weak?! Yes, no one will decide! Where are you brave when the major crushes the child and the cops protect him from lynching ??? !!! Where? Correct-sit at the computer! Sit? So sit and be silent and shake the air!
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 45 New
      0
      The mess and discord are always beneficial to the same forces, the world enemy. State officials prefer order and peace to their citizens.
  6. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 13 August 2013 07: 07 New
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    In this composition, we are not victorious.
  7. nezloy
    nezloy 13 August 2013 07: 43 New
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    There is no "brotherhood". We need a strong fist that will be able to drive the rebellious province of the Empire into a stall. And after that, make sure that there will no longer be any talk of "independence" or "national sovereignty".
    1. roma2
      roma2 13 August 2013 08: 03 New
      -20 qualifying.
      Dear, we have already seen the "strong fist of Russia" in action (in Chechnya) and what is the result ???? Thousands of dead, and the unabated "quiet" war in the Caucasus, and the Kremlin's constant kickbacks to "small but proud Chechnya"
      Thanks, we don’t need this.
      1. mole
        mole 13 August 2013 09: 56 New
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        Dear roma2! Learn the story better! The only guerrilla war in World history that ended with the Victory of the State is the war with SS-Soviet bandits in Ukraine and the Baltic states! Here is an example! By the way, in Chechnya - measures to eliminate this tumor were taken from the history of eliminating the same deficiencies.
        Ask for the opinion of the fist of Russia from the Georgian president!
        PS Would you still talk about Tataro - you would remember the Mongol yoke! Minus to you!
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 13 August 2013 11: 14 New
        -2
        Shame in Chechnya. An example is unsuccessful. And the example was 08.08.08. Questions?
    2. boot
      boot 13 August 2013 08: 10 New
      +4
      To act with a fist and force - to shove an adder under a pillow and calmly rest. This is not a sign of the mind. You must first milk her poisonous glands.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 13 August 2013 08: 58 New
        +4
        Extinguishing poisonous glands is a temporary half measure (two days of a quiet life, and then the poison has accumulated and get in trouble). Poisonous glands must be removed, and with the head!
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 13 August 2013 11: 18 New
        +2
        Milk out, cut off the head, tail and make a bracelet for watches. And in these watches on the G8 and G20 ride.
    3. reserve
      reserve 13 August 2013 09: 24 New
      -31 qualifying.
      "We need a strong fist that will be able to stall the rebellious province of the Empire." - your "strong fist" until 55 was unable to disperse the Banderaites. Your "strong kulak" has been chasing Chechen partisans for many years. In Ukraine there was a division "Galicia", in Russia - ROA, and they all fought against the USSR. Unsuccessful, but struggled. The peak of this struggle was the referendum on secession from the USSR in the early 90s.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 13 August 2013 09: 43 New
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        Quote: rezerv
        rezerv (1) UA Today, 09:24 ↑ New

        "We need a strong fist that will be able to stall the rebellious province of the Empire." - your "strong fist" until 55 was unable to disperse the Banderaites. Your "strong kulak" has been chasing Chechen partisans for many years. In Ukraine there was a division "Galicia", in Russia - ROA, and they all fought against the USSR. Unsuccessful, but struggled. The peak of this struggle was the referendum on secession from the USSR in the early 90s.

        It’s understandable that Russophobe and Little Russia’s phobia, the MGB cleared out the Bandera’s armed resistance, and you didn’t want the MGB to root out the relatives of Bandera in Galicia, how your SS men destroyed partisans in Belarus, or how American Indians were. The fist dispersed them, but did not destroy them, so the gangster fascist tribe revived. Sometimes you come to the conclusion that the apple tree does not fall far from the apple tree. How much fierce hatred you have for your own Slavs? Can your gang be sent to Syria?
        1. mole
          mole 13 August 2013 17: 08 New
          +4
          Can your gang be sent to Syria?

          They will not go, they will not be dispersed there, they will be destroyed without regret.
        2. Simon
          Simon 13 August 2013 22: 25 New
          +2
          The time will come, this SS viper will crush its own Ukraine. It was already with Germany, now they repent before the peoples of Europe all their lives. Apparently the Ukrainian SS geeks want to gradually go through all the historical steps of Nazi Germany, right up to the Nuremberg trials.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 13 August 2013 09: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: rezerv
        ... In Ukraine there was a division "Galicia", in Russia - ROA

        In Russia, no one honors them, at least openly.
        Quote: rezerv
        The peak of this struggle was the referendum on leaving the USSR in the early 90's.

        Can you recall the result of that referendum ...?
        1. reserve
          reserve 13 August 2013 10: 57 New
          -10 qualifying.
          "You can't recall the result of that referendum ...?" - The USSR has become an incomprehensible CIS.
          1. Powder donut
            Powder donut 13 August 2013 13: 24 New
            +5
            According to the results of the referendum, more than 70% of the inhabitants of the USSR supported the preservation of the country.
          2. scorpiosys
            scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 53 New
            0
            The decision of corrupt politicians, including those from Russia and Ukraine.
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 13 August 2013 11: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: rezerv
        The peak of this struggle was the referendum on leaving the USSR in the early 90's.

        I almost fell out of the chair. Reserved a bed in a yellow house, rezerv?
      4. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 13 August 2013 11: 54 New
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        Yes, it's a pity the NKVD failed to work. In truth, Comrade Stalin was a humanist! And now in Ukraine, especially in the west, there are monuments to the cat-dog Bandera, the SS Haupsturmfuehrer, the Knight of the Two Iron Crosses Shlyukhevych and other "heroes" of the OUN-UPA, and essentially German bedding. And young people are taught that De Gaulle said that if he had soldiers like the UPA, the German boot would never trample the land of France, and Che Guevara wrote letters to the cat dog Bandera, asking him how to conduct partisan warfare. "Ukro" - "historians" convincingly "prove" this. But for some reason, the evidence is a little bad, well, nothing if young people constantly repeat this, she can and believe. Just do not forget that your "heroes" were destroyed like mad dogs by the Ukrainians themselves, Konovalets Sudoplatov, having treated them with a box of very "tasty" sweets, and the so-called. "Commander-in-Chief of the UPA" Shlyukhevych Sergeant of the MGB Polishchuk. Inexpensively his head was estimated at only a thousand rubles. But, where they remember their history, there are completely different monuments, and they remember how these inhumans killed young Ukrainian teachers and doctors from the East, who came to teach and heal children after the war. For example, a monument to the victims of the OUN-UPA in Lugansk. Minus Disrespectful.

        1. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 56 New
          0
          Not all, Not all, Not all, much remained in due time. And now, almost everyone can, and me for being a talker and a thief.
      5. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 13 August 2013 11: 58 New
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        your "strong fist" until 55 was unable to disperse the Bandera
        - what are YOU RADIOUS ??? Not "could not disperse," but could not find - your stinking (in the literal sense of the word) Bandera people spent most of the time in caches and turned pale without the sun and vitamin D, only occasionally getting out into the fresh air to make small shit.
        It is exactly the same with Chechen bandits - they cannot do anything. but they cannot be found.
        In Ukraine there was a division "Galicia", in Russia - ROA
        - in Russia, authorities ANYWHERE do ROA heroes. ANYWHERE. There are a couple of scumbags that they set up a monument to Krasnov and someone else - in their courtyard, of course, otherwise they would have been demolished a long time ago ... And in Ukraine the entire Galicia district is in the monuments to Bandera and Shlyukhevych, these collaborators.

        The peak of this struggle was the referendum on leaving the USSR in the early 90's.
        - laughing ridiculed, Bandera did not have any relation to Ukraine’s independence. Kravchuk, Yeltsin - these are the authors of Ukrainian independence. The Communists gave her independence, not Bandera, so don’t take advantage of the AHEAD, to other people's achievements!
      6. Vlaleks48
        Vlaleks48 13 August 2013 12: 02 New
        +3
        rezerv [b] If the data of the referendum were taken into action, then there would be no split into caress "outskirts" and other "states"!
        But the authorities devouring fat at night under the pillow, wanted to do it in plain sight and according to her, the authorities' opinion is legal!
        So we have what maya!
      7. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        And your fist, I’m sorry, couldn’t deal with these Poles for centuries, this is the example of Fist!
        Or, for example, the fist of England in India, or the fist of the USA against the helpless Indians and American citizens of Japanese descent in the 2nd world - THIS IS FIST!
  8. boot
    boot 13 August 2013 07: 48 New
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    In peacetime, my grandfather, a Podharkov Ukrainian, was the director of a rural school, during the war, a Soviet officer, near Kamenetz-Podolsky in 1944, Bandera was captured. The driver (he was Russian) was simply shot, and his grandfather was tied to a goat and sawed alive with a two-handed saw. For the betrayal of the Ukrainian people. His son - my late father, also a suburban Kharkov crest - he hated them fiercely all his life. I am Russian, but I hate them no less. I have the honor.
    1. Airman
      Airman 13 August 2013 09: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: boot
      In peacetime, my grandfather, a Podharkov Ukrainian, was the director of a rural school, during the war, a Soviet officer, near Kamenetz-Podolsky in 1944, Bandera was captured. The driver (he was Russian) was simply shot, and his grandfather was tied to a goat and sawed alive with a two-handed saw. For the betrayal of the Ukrainian people. His son - my late father, also a suburban Kharkov crest - he hated them fiercely all his life. I am Russian, but I hate them no less. I have the honor.

      Are there really no laws in Ukraine prohibiting fascist symbols and propaganda? If so, why don't they work? Or, as in Russia, there are laws, but they are not enforced.
      1. reserve
        reserve 13 August 2013 11: 06 New
        -9
        As far as I know, there are no laws prohibiting fascist and communist symbols.
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      2. rodevaan
        rodevaan 14 August 2013 02: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        Quote: boot
        In peacetime, my grandfather, a Podharkov Ukrainian, was the director of a rural school, during the war, a Soviet officer, near Kamenetz-Podolsky in 1944, Bandera was captured. The driver (he was Russian) was simply shot, and his grandfather was tied to a goat and sawed alive with a two-handed saw. For the betrayal of the Ukrainian people. His son - my late father, also a suburban Kharkov crest - he hated them fiercely all his life. I am Russian, but I hate them no less. I have the honor.

        Are there really no laws in Ukraine prohibiting fascist symbols and propaganda? If so, why don't they work? Or, as in Russia, there are laws, but they are not enforced.


        - First, ask - who sits in the power of the on / on (who like) Ukraine? And there are pro-Western sk-oty sitting there, who do not care about ordinary people, and who follow instructions from behind the hill. And the instructions are simple - in no case should people be allowed to live in peace and harmony! Under no circumstances should they be united! To quarrel, and encourage rugach and srach on the forums - and the more hateful we are to swear here - the more dividends these bastards will receive!

        As many Ukrainians still can not clarify in my head - that the Westerners hate the Slavs! They hate us for the fact that our country is the only one in the whole world that never allowed these gnids to rob themselves, like many countries of the world. They spit on Ukraine, and they wipe their feet on it, as they used to wipe their feet on Russia when in the 90s, when the EBN drunk. They see Ukraine as a springboard against us, encouraging the Nazi infirmities who slaughtered and killed their own population!
        NEVER the West will calm down until our peoples are friendly! Huge flows of funds are going to split, we are being pitted, and we are succumbing to these provocations!
        I believe that the day will come when all three fraternal countries, when a united nation divided into three, will unite into one powerful state. For who will help us in this world if not ourselves!
        I am not a representative of authority
    2. avia12005
      avia12005 13 August 2013 10: 08 New
      10
      With my uncle in 1944, also from Kharkov, the border guard, did the same. And these Kiev-Donetsk-Galician paskudy specifically Bandera sent to the East of Ukraine. They know where the threat for this venal power.
      1. reserve
        reserve 13 August 2013 18: 35 New
        -10 qualifying.
        BOOT, avia12005 - you complain that your bloodthirsty Bandera killed your relatives. If this is true, then I am very sorry. And you did not think about the fact that the Communists killed someone, the Bandera, raped, sent to Siberia? In 39, zapadentsy with flowers met the Red Army. And after the German occupation themselves, without the instructions of the party and state bodies, they created partisan detachments for the struggle. By the way - Soviet saboteurs (partisans) the local population was afraid as well as the Germans, and even more. The Soviets took and drank everything, and then they engaged in robbery drunk. And Bandera took it for themselves and left it for people,
        1. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 13 August 2013 22: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: rezerv
          And you did not think about the fact that the Communists killed someone, the Bandera, raped, sent to Siberia? And Bandera took it for themselves and left it for people,


          and you read more closely that your bandits Bendera men left to people this is clearly stated in the comment below !! in Chechnya, the gang formations also appeared with the Russian soldiers and their families, and in this you are no different from them; fiends; they are fiends and the path has been ordered for them !! maybe in Siberia in those days there were a lot of illegally convicted prisoners, but this does not apply to YOUR BENDER FOR SUCH ACADEMIC ATTACKS THERE ARE THE PLACE THERE !!! and it is still very softly

          boot
          In peacetime, my grandfather, a Podharkov Ukrainian, was the director of a rural school, during the war, a Soviet officer, near Kamenetz-Podolsky in 1944, Bandera was captured. The driver (he was Russian) was simply shot, and his grandfather was tied to a goat and sawed alive with a two-handed saw. For the betrayal of the Ukrainian people. His son - my late father, also a suburban Kharkov crest - he hated them fiercely all his life. I am Russian, but I hate them no less. I have the honor.


          avia12005c
          my uncle in 1944, also from Kharkov, a border guard, did the same.
        2. Simon
          Simon 13 August 2013 22: 37 New
          +3
          Oh, right there your Bandera people were saints, they didn’t rob anyone, they did not rape and did not kill. And about the Red Army, I won’t believe for anything that you were there.
        3. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 03 New
          +1
          In Europe, they’re not killing or raping anyone now, democracy understands what’s going to the final mess and uncontrollability (according to the plan of the world hydra).
      2. Simon
        Simon 13 August 2013 22: 29 New
        +1
        Where are you looking? They feel that they have no resistance, so they climb. It's time to fight back.
    3. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 22: 59 New
      +1
      Yes, you understand the "hard-working" people, they always lacked as in the song "in winter - summer, autumn - spring ...".
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 13 August 2013 07: 53 New
    16
    The hypocrisy of our government has no limits! Compare!
    "The Cabinet of Ministers approved an action plan to celebrate the Day of Partisan Glory in 2013. The corresponding decree No. 544-r was adopted at a meeting of the Government on August 7, 2013.
    The purpose of the order is to make a decision on the celebration at the state level of the Day of Partisan Glory, to honor the sons and daughters of Ukraine who fought for the freedom of the people during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 in the ranks of the underground partisan movement, their feat and sacrifice, the formation of the younger generation respect for war veterans, approval of an action plan for the celebration of the Day of Partisan Glory in 2013. "
    AND THEN
    Representatives of the Tyagnibokov Military District “Freedom” (the backbone of which consists largely of Svidomo (conscious) believers of the UGCC) tried to prevent the Communists from commemorating the partisans who fought under the command of Sidor Kovpak and committed a Carpathian raid 70 years ago. This was reported by the press service of the Communist Party.
    Tyagnibokovtsy surrounded Partisan Glory Park in Yaremche, Ivano-Frankivsk region, with cars and sawn trees. However, the Communists and participants in their rally, led by Communist Party leader Pyotr Symonenko (according to the Communists,) managed to break the blockade, honor the feat of the Soviet partisans and lay flowers at the memorial sign at the site of the death of one of the guerrilla unit commander Semyon Rudnev, the Communist Party press service reported.
    the activists of VO Svoboda, shouting "Ganba," threw eggs at the communists who had come to lay flowers at the monument to Kovpak and his comrades-in-arms in the Partisan Glory Park.
    The assistants defended Simonenko from the "egg city" with a black umbrella, and the Berkut detachment guarded him around the perimeter.
    Special forces restrained the onslaught of a crowd of several hundred tyagnibokovets with party flags.
    Svidomo (conscious) Ukrainians shouted the slogans "Sickle and hammer - death and hunger", "Komunyak - to the hilly!".
    Tyagnibokovtsi also blocked the members of the Communist Party of Ukraine with cars and sawn trees.
    “The Bandera region will not allow the revenge of the Communists,” said one of the members of Freedom, Ruslan Martsinkiv.
    Because of the incident, the communists, according to media reports close to Tyagnibok, only laid flowers on the Red Army, but refused the rally.
    On the eve of the Yaremche City Council banned rallies with red flags and members of the "freedom" volunteered to watch so that the scarlet banners were not unfurled.
    xxxxx
    If in this way Yanukovych and Co. are trying to appease the residents of the memory (without reacting to such actions), then he is deeply mistaken. And at the same time, the Djinn released and will not be able to drive him back bloodlessly!
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 13 August 2013 09: 48 New
      +7
      In the tradition of Ukrainian rulers to be prostitutes. And in front of the international community and in front of his people. And therefore, the previously rich country in decline, society is fragmented. The fish has rotted from the head since the beginning of the 90s, and almost rotted. And only the fins (Ukrainian communists) still tremble.
      1. roial
        roial 13 August 2013 10: 40 New
        -10 qualifying.
        Dear on the prostitution brush, I would not say that, I can recall that by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation Akhmat Kadyrov was appointed head of the Chechen Republic administration who participated in military operations in the ranks of Ichkeria troops against Russian troops until 1996. He was awarded the Order of Honor of the Nation by Ichkeria.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 13 August 2013 12: 58 New
          0
          Quote: roial
          Akhmat Kadyrov who participated in hostilities in the ranks of the Ichkeria troops against the Russian troops until 1996.

          it is somehow shy to notice.
          zaminusovat zamusnuvat, but no one to object ...
          1. 3 inches.
            3 inches. 13 August 2013 20: 06 New
            +5
            But the point is in objections? They simply bought a cadira. It will take 10 years and strangle it on a quiet one. Do not think. he will all be remembered when it becomes unnecessary. And by the way he is a very faithful woman, unlike the Ukrainian leadership. He takes money and does what they say. And yours do not. Take it, then they’ll lie under the next
          2. family tree
            family tree 13 August 2013 21: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            it is somehow shy to notice.
            zaminusovat zamusnuvat, but no one to object ...

            You see, dear, Akhmat, although he crossed over, was an intelligent and power-hungry man, he could create problems. But the Security Council "overlooked" him, now Putin has a completely controlled Ramzan. The need will disappear, again SB will "overlook" request
          3. Simon
            Simon 13 August 2013 22: 45 New
            0
            The fact is that during his time he changed his mind and switched to the side of Russia, in addition, for assisting the Russian troops, he received the Hero of Russia in the second Chechen one.
      2. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 09 New
        +1
        Absolutes gut! And in ancient times, they knew how to twist a place for sitting pretty well. Now they turned to Turkish Pasha, then to the Polish ruler, and even to the Tsar of Russia. History needs to be known. As the saying goes: When a crest was born, a Jew cried. True, as a rule, they outwitted themselves!
  10. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 13 August 2013 08: 33 New
    11
    Everything is so disgusting and sad: I did not think that the Ukrainian people would allow the SS executioners and traitors to mock themselves. It is amazing how smart and hardworking people, who suffered from the atrocities of these shortcomings, suffer these sabbaths. Where are you, Batko Taras Bulba, where your honest and brave descendants? How long will evil spirits dance on the bones of the martyrs?
    1. Simon
      Simon 13 August 2013 22: 46 New
      0
      I totally agree.
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 16 New
      +1
      Recalling the Soviet years, I’ll say that my father was an officer in the air regiment (not a pilot), but many pilots of the regiment lived around us, and that is typical, there were very many Ukrainians, we guys respected them, they were beautiful people, smart, kind. For me, the word pilot still means that their faces appear in memory, as an example of pilots. It's about the fact that I'm a Ukrainophobe type.
  11. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 13 August 2013 08: 42 New
    12
    GOAL AND DIRECTLY TO NINE! RUSSIAN POLICY IN UKRAINE ... and in that BALTIC!
    Our unreasonable POLITICAL CORRECTITY in relation to the former republics of the USSR leads to the fact that all evil spirits climb out of all the cracks and begin to multiply ... We proceed from false-kindness, taking the position "No matter how worse!" ... I say about our silence of the official bodies of the state for the revival of national fascism. Seeing our stupid silence, they are afraid to give voice and healthy forces ... they are simply afraid that they will not receive any protection and support when national bandits come to them with brass knuckles and matches. And they will definitely come ... because at the heart of their ideology and morality is the POWER and FEAR OF OTHERS BEFORE THIS POWER! And until they are shown no less tough forceful methods of calming them down within the law, they will become impudent and go ahead! And these instruments of calming down the most zealous supporters of Nazism are in the world ... and in Russia ... and in Ukraine. In the world - the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal ... In Russia and Ukraine - the adopted laws! NO POLITICAL WILL!
    In addition, for the same UKRAINE and the Baltic countries there is more than a whip - Gingerbread! If you close the flow of imports through the ports of the Baltic States to Russia as long as the Nazis are honored there ... I give a guarantee that in a month or two they will go with the bag around the world. Look at the GDP income structure of the same Estonia and Latvia! Yes! There will be a universal howl - they offend the little ones ... Nothing! We haven’t heard such a gnashing of teeth against us.
    We are to blame for what is happening, first of all! Due to the lack of political will to defend the honor of RUSSIA!
  12. pinecone
    pinecone 13 August 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    All the same, it is a pity that Stalin did not heed the urgent requests of the Poles to return at least part of the territory of Eastern Galicia to them. It is no exaggeration to assume that Polish Lviv could well become a guarantee of preserving the unity of the Ukrainian and Russian people within the historical boundaries of their joint residence.
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 13 August 2013 09: 54 New
      +3
      Ek, you are bent. Can Finland still give Karelia? Kuril Islands with Sakhalin - Japan? China - the Far East? Chukotka Australia? Not an inch of land to the enemy! And the territories infected with fascism must be treated, right up to cutting the infection. But this is not a matter of Russia, but of the state where this misfortune happened.
    2. mole
      mole 13 August 2013 10: 06 New
      +2
      Unfortunately, Stalin, in spite of his sagacity, was unable to calculate such a historical turn of our state! It’s a pity, if I had suspected, I would surely have taken measures and then there would have been no one to perform, march and put up monuments to the little ones! But the history of the subjunctive mood does not know ...
      1. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 18 New
        0
        Unfortunately, Stalin was eating a lot of vipers on his chest. I thought he would live and then ... They didn’t.
  13. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 August 2013 09: 06 New
    +5
    Ukraine is turning more and more into a banal embittered banana republic, like some kind of Nicaragua with its operetta attack aircraft and their cowardly leaders bought by the West, we will not be cursed by any biomass in Russia from us. It’s a pity, of course, that the NKGB isn’t the whole scum was cut out after the war. But there is a plus, in the fact that in history books you can write on the example of modern Ukraine how you can’t live, in large letters and in red font.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 20 New
      0
      PR is somehow necessary, otherwise the whole world will forget who this Ukraine is and what it is eaten with.
  14. biglow
    biglow 13 August 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    in Ukraine, the people are not up to politics now, the people are surviving, and this is more important for many. Most likely, the authorities themselves are engaged in the promotion of Bendera. Yanukovych needs good trump cards before the elections and there are none. So it will be for the voters of eastern Ukraine - Yanukovych as a fighter with the Nazis
    1. coserg 2012
      coserg 2012 13 August 2013 22: 48 New
      +2
      Two months ago, my sister came back with her son-in-law on a train from Nikolaev to Russia. This is not the west. A full wagon, and Russia is bonfired both in the tail and in the mane. On her question - where are you going - they answer - to work in Moscow. So you said to her, then you’re going. They answer, but we don’t have work at home. Well, and what kind of brother is he to me after that?
  15. kind
    kind 13 August 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    There is a law in geyvrop prohibiting the promotion of fascism and Nazism. If Ukraine seeks EU accession, this law also applies. But I think everything is much more complicated. The Ukrainian government looks at these parades of SS-sheep through pink glasses, saying that all this is not serious. So after all, Hitler, when he arranged torchlight processions, was not taken seriously by anyone. I understand the aspirations of Western politicians to ignore and even encourage the Nazis and gays in Ukraine, etc., to instill instability in society, to crush the unity of the people (which almost worked out), add to their morality, and meanwhile pump up the country's resources for next to nothing. They will promise new freedoms, and in return take away material values. As a result, they will bring the country to impoverishment and will dictate their conditions in exchange for food, and in the world they will position themselves in the role of saviors of a free Ukraine. I think Yanukovych understands this, but is afraid of the possibility of a civil war. To shut up the throats of the Lviv opposition is a gut, it’s also impossible to sit on two chairs, it turns out to be a political corpse.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 22 New
      0
      Yeah, and in Europe fascists walk the streets, only the lazy ones are not reviewing the results of the 2nd World War. Here is an example to us!
  16. user
    user 13 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    I think that Ukraine is tired of all these meetings and the change of power and government, for some reason they decided that the pacification policy pursued by the government is better than Chechnya in Russia. But I think this is an erroneous position, which is likely to end with the collapse of Ukraine as a single state. I have always considered ovs as cunning miracles (choose the term yourself) in life, this is not an insult, but a tribute to the national line, since it was always in the army of the Soviet Union, and they are even worse than we are. An attempt to sit on two chairs, both yours and ours in the current situation, is fatal.
  17. Nevsky
    13 August 2013 09: 35 New
    +9
    Quote: rezerv
    "We need a strong fist that will be able to stall the rebellious province of the Empire." - your "strong fist" until 55 was unable to disperse the Banderaites. Your "strong kulak" has been chasing Chechen partisans for many years. In Ukraine there was a division "Galicia", in Russia - ROA, and they all fought against the USSR. Unsuccessful, but struggled. The peak of this struggle was the referendum on secession from the USSR in the early 90s.


    I was waiting for this comment from Ukraine. Dear, show me at least one Russian city where parades and processions are held in honor of the ROA and Vlasov? For me, the SS Division "Galicia" is a Rubicon. Topic here not UPA, not Petliura of civilian times, and not the army of General Denikin. Therefore, your pathetic attempts to smooth out Nazi criminals and mix in a heap: UPA, Vlasov, Denikin, will not work here !!! Campaign you are one of those who put a minus. You have made your moral choice.
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 August 2013 09: 36 New
    +2
    The most depressing thing in this situation is that young people look at it .. (all evil spirits climbed out of the holes .. the same as with gay parades)
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 24 New
      0
      Like "SHOW must go * oh!" What difference does it make who and for what reason, Cool damn!
  19. Nevsky
    13 August 2013 09: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    The most depressing thing in this situation is that young people look at it .. (all evil spirits climbed out of the holes .. the same as with gay parades)


    In Ukraine, there are two types of children's camps:

    1. Consumer. Where it all comes down to eating ice cream and swimming in the sea.
    2. Ideological. "Plastuny", a light version of the "Hitler Youth".

    No others. crying
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 13 August 2013 13: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky
      In Ukraine, there are two types of children's camps:

      hmm ... for example there are a lot of children's organizations that are in no way connected with any ideology. And non-commercial.
      You just do not know. Or say so on purpose ...
  20. Nevsky
    13 August 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Vrungel78
    Ek, you are bent. Can Finland still give Karelia? Kuril Islands with Sakhalin - Japan? China - the Far East? Chukotka Australia? Not an inch of land to the enemy! And the territories infected with fascism must be treated, right up to cutting the infection. But this is not a matter of Russia, but of the state where this misfortune happened.


    I agree with you that this is not the business of Russia. But the paradox is that this will soon be the business of Russia. The article is not about Galicia.
    1. tarks
      tarks 13 August 2013 10: 15 New
      +3
      good
      Talk at the checkout:
      Cashier - I have no change.
      The buyer is not my problem!
      The cashier is not, now this is your problem.
      1. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 26 New
        0
        The buyer took out a gun and shot the seller. Then he took his money and goods and went home purring a song in his mustache.
  21. mole
    mole 13 August 2013 10: 07 New
    0
    They show their gay essence - they have not had them for a long time, and here they provoke! am
  22. tarks
    tarks 13 August 2013 10: 12 New
    +5
    I am not a Ukrainophobe, I know the Ukrainian language, I support the football and Olympic team of Ukraine, but I can’t keep silent!


    And I am a Ukrainophobe. That of Ukraine and that "all Ukrainian" that has been happening here and now for more than twenty years.
    1. Nevsky
      13 August 2013 10: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: tarks
      I am not a Ukrainophobe, I know the Ukrainian language, I support the football and Olympic team of Ukraine, but I can’t keep silent!


      And I am a Ukrainophobe. That of Ukraine and that "all Ukrainian" that has been happening here and now for more than twenty years.


      tarks You need to save face and keep yourself in control. Unfortunately, Old Ukraine, where the backbone was the culture of the Poltava region and Chernihiv region, let’s say so, the Ukraine of Gogol and even T. Shevchenko begins to lose and yield to the Galician culture. crying
      1. tarks
        tarks 13 August 2013 10: 25 New
        +5
        And what kind of beast is such a Galician culture?
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 13 August 2013 13: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: tarks
          And what kind of beast is such a Galician culture?
          --- this is such a serious brain disease. Toko can be treated with lead "therapy", it is contagious ...
        2. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 13 August 2013 13: 06 New
          -4
          Quote: tarks
          And what kind of beast is such a Galician culture?

          I feel the concept of culture is not familiar to you ...
          google something.
          1. Simon
            Simon 13 August 2013 22: 49 New
            0
            Culture is the development of mankind, and Galician culture is something fossil. recourse lol
        3. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 28 New
          0
          And we will go to the mountains, if something!
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 13 August 2013 13: 05 New
      -3
      and what did you personally do to make Ukrainian culture your culture existed?
      only barking in Russian forums?
      1. Simon
        Simon 13 August 2013 22: 54 New
        0
        No need for us to show the fascist grin. Some have already shown, so in Berlin they knocked out their last teeth in 1945.
      2. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 30 New
        0
        Culture is what existed before Gutenberg invented paper, Marconi - radio, and unfortunately Zvorykin - television.
  23. Larus
    Larus 13 August 2013 10: 17 New
    10
    Unfortunately, the policy of Russia is such that it does not take into account the interests of Russians in Russia itself, not to mention those thrown Russians in the countries of the former USSR, especially on the outskirts with such requests, the quirks of the Natsik who work methodically for the final destruction of RUSSIAN on this territory and rename them in "Ukrainians"
    1. Nevsky
      13 August 2013 10: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Larus
      Unfortunately, the policy of Russia is such that it does not take into account the interests of Russians in Russia itself, not to mention those thrown Russians in the countries of the former USSR.


      It is 100% sad I agree with you.
    2. tarks
      tarks 13 August 2013 10: 27 New
      +3
      Exactly thrown.
      1. Larus
        Larus 13 August 2013 12: 45 New
        +3
        The solidarity of our people is absolutely not beneficial to this government, because. these "elites" will immediately be hanged for their actions.
        1. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 35 New
          0
          The task of the entire "World" civilization is to keep the Russians alive, but no more than 10-15 million. Someone needs to work on the towers.
    3. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 32 New
      0
      Here is still such an ancient nation - the Americans. Their history is lost in the mists of time, they say!
  24. yan
    yan 13 August 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    Nazis outside politics, Nazi "veterans" must be outlawed once and for all. Perhaps the only thing in which one can agree with the West is the attitude towards fascism. And not to interview them, not to hold parades, but to spit in the face and to be ashamed to appear in public
    1. tarks
      tarks 13 August 2013 10: 32 New
      0
      fi! you are not so tolerant ...
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 36 New
      0
      Politics is a corrupt girl of imperialism, where she has only monetary interest.
  25. pa_nik
    pa_nik 13 August 2013 10: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    it seems it would be possible to end with these "leaps" of Ukraine if the GDP and the Russian Foreign Ministry took it seriously


    Tried ... and got "you are interfering in our sovereign (independent) policy, do not interfere with building our independent state." Those. the proposed method (direct intervention) does not help. We decided to act differently - by ignoring. It's not clear which is better. Because living standards are falling. Who is to blame - Russia! Again, everyone feels bad, except for the Ukrainian "rulers" in power and the oligarchy.

    Quote: nezloy
    We need a strong fist that will be able to stall the rebellious province of the Empire.


    Any action gives rise to opposition. (C) almost literally Newton's Law laughing

    TOTAL: Force is impossible. Understanding must come by itself. Remember how A. Papanov's hero said at the Belorussky Station: “Everything is not the same as at the front. It was simple there: here is the enemy, our own people are nearby, and our cause is just!”.

    So, we are not at the front (for now recourse ). And it's not that simple. At the present time - everyone is determined with their own "trench". Unfortunately, the influence of Russian politics, including the media, is not enough to reverse the enemy propaganda. But we are! Nevsky - available !! drinks We will bend our line. hi
    1. tarks
      tarks 13 August 2013 10: 44 New
      +3
      Tried ... and got

      Do you really believe that everything happens by itself ( Understanding must come by itself. ) and by the will of the people?
      Do you think that these stuffed animals with swastikas themselves guessed that the SS is good and the NKVD is bad?
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 39 New
      0
      you interfere in our sovereign (independent), not to say rude, politics
  26. Chukcha
    Chukcha 13 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +3
    The strangest thing is that all these actions / processions are associated with "Moscow communism", which has been gone for 20 years, but smoothly spreads simply to "her". Someone is spinning this ball, and the idiots listen and joyfully greet.
    1. tarks
      tarks 13 August 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      Fools? No children. Future.
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 43 New
      0
      You're right. It’s a pity that we don’t have a psychiatrist on our site, he would explain this with a feeling of deeply inborn self-perception of self, lack of satisfaction, etc.
  27. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 13 August 2013 10: 47 New
    +3
    <<< The Russian world is retreating. While the Russian media grieve over the solemn reburial of the remains of "soldiers" of the SS "Galicia" division in Western Ukraine with the participation of German SS and Wehrmacht attributes, the processes have gone much further and even closer to the borders of Russia. >>>
    The ruling elite of Ukraine understands that the independence of Ukraine and, accordingly, the ability to remain in power and with capital is possible only when Ukraine is opposed to Russia, Ukrainians, Russians, by the way very much appreciated in the West, by all possible inflating "Svidomo", since otherwise the development of fraternal relations can lead to fraternization and, God forbid, to the unification of Ukraine with Russia! Do they need it? Hence the favorable attitude to the Russophobic actions of the OUN Galician followers - scumbags, whose ancestors during the OW period with their sophisticated cave cruelty to people of other nationalities: Russians, Poles, Jews, their own Ukrainians who disagree with them, and regardless of who is in front of them: old people, women, children, AMAZED even their German masters! It is only surprising that this pack of anti-Russian paranoid thugs from Western Ukraine, producing practically nothing except hostile anti-Russian actions, and sitting on subsidies at the expense of Eastern Ukraine dictates its will and power to those regions of Ukraine that contain them!
  28. Igor_kh
    Igor_kh 13 August 2013 10: 47 New
    +3
    The phenomenon of "exaggeration" of the East Ukrainian "patriotism" deserves special attention.


    what is there to think, the Nazis are organized, there are no anti-Nazis (exception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgeZyUbDQxI)
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 45 New
      0
      I agree, when normal people were driven into the need to earn their living as damned, the parasites have time to unite and create intrigues, they will be given money and so on - they need to work for it.
  29. Igor_kh
    Igor_kh 13 August 2013 10: 58 New
    +2
    and fully http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTUeDcHXpnk
    1) the good must be with fists
    2) (c) 10 organized stronger than ...
  30. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 13 August 2013 11: 28 New
    +2
    And the boy on the video is crooked. What was not found in the fifth photogenic column?
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 49 New
      0
      Peter the first in his decree on the rules for admission to the civil service wrote: Skew, crooked, loose and tongue-tied: do not take on the civil service! Maybe not literally, but in essence.
  31. dropout
    dropout 13 August 2013 11: 50 New
    +4
    Sometimes I like to watch the films of my youth. Literally two days ago I watched (on the Internet) the German film of 1958 "We are prodigies." The film is about how the Nazis came to power in Germany and how it all ended. Such tapes must be periodically shown on central TV, because the ideological propaganda of the nationalists is assertive and aggressive, and there is practically no one to resist it. At a distance of one block from my house is the headquarters of the local branch of "Svoboda". Quite often I see them marching in a column with flags and, at the command of their "Fuhrer" . Basically, very young guys and so far there are not many of them, but this disease is contagious, and quite soon they will become adults. It seems that the government does not see them, but most likely deliberately indulges. These are the things in the "Danish kingdom".
    Sometimes one wants to say: -Worms are not relatives, the state is not the motherland.
  32. Polytechnic
    Polytechnic 13 August 2013 11: 58 New
    +4
    And then everyone wonders why in Russian-speaking Odessa no one stood up for the Russian flag when the American band Bloodhound Gang publicly mocked him.

    They probably didn’t intercede because the club where this happened was mainly visited by one swamp (the children of majors who don’t honor history and don’t care about everything), I know a partial contingent.
  33. kaptri
    kaptri 13 August 2013 12: 00 New
    +4
    In Ukraine, absolutely everything is for sale. All these parades, moves, etc. arranged to distract people from everyday life. As soon as this becomes dangerous for the authorities, Tyagnebik will be given money, and everyone will go home for a while. It is a pity for the country, but its people have no purpose. Even in 2004, the goal was. But after the scam from PR, BYuT, NUNS - this goal disappeared from everyone. Therefore, a few clowns and walk the streets with non-existent flags. And Russia would not bend its fingers, but would organize a party that can inspire people. Then it would be good.
  34. xczszs
    xczszs 13 August 2013 12: 15 New
    0
    The other day, I accidentally stumbled upon a site for checking fines in the traffic police, and by the way there you can dispute and pay online. For example, for 2 days I challenged 3 fines for a total of about 17 rubles. try it yourself, here is the link to the service - http://krz.ch/mbaza
  35. stroporez
    stroporez 13 August 2013 12: 46 New
    +2
    "..... But there were also" good "Banderists, ........." --- Good Banderists --------- dead Banderists ........
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 51 New
      0
      There were also good fascists, they sniffed flowers, they loved dogs ...
  36. Karabin
    Karabin 13 August 2013 12: 47 New
    +2
    The Russian world is retreating.

    This is obvious and inevitable in the realities of the last two decades. And not only on the territory of the misunderstanding named Ukraine, regardless of who rules there, the former communists, orange or Donetsk, but also on the whole Russian space, including Russia itself. And inevitably, because we Russians have lost the will to attack. Moreover, even the will to resist is often not manifested. Hence the behavior of the authorities in Russia, which completely ruled out any interference in Russian affairs abroad, virtually abandoned the Russians. Statements and indignation in the media do not count, these are just words. It becomes funny to me when someone blames today's Russia for imperial ambitions. There are none of them. Neither in actions, nor in the Foreign Ministry concept. Russian self-identification in Ukraine, in the absence of an imperial course in Moscow, will only fade away.
    An imperial course of power is not foreseen in the foreseeable future. There is no request from the Russian people. We would not go down to the 90th and save those crumbs that we have. But with this attitude to our history, we will lose this as well.
    You can’t retreat all the time.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 53 New
      0
      Yes, the sale of everything and everyone is not an imperial policy, but a democracy. All peoples, all countries, rich and poor, well-fed and hungry - ALL ARE EQUAL!
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  38. avia12005
    avia12005 13 August 2013 12: 54 New
    +5
    Russia is obliged to:
    1. Declare the illegality of the Belovezhskaya agreements, especially since there is no original script at all.
    2. Adopt the list of "Magnitsky-2" in relation to the Ukronazis and the oligarchs who support them.
    3. Without looking back at the science-nazis, introduce new ships into the Black Sea, register them in Novorossiysk and send them on a visit to Sevastopolb for permanent mooring.
    4. For each march ukronatsikov respond notes of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They will not understand to lower the status of a diplomatic mission.
    5 Take all measures to ruin the Ukrainian oligarchs, who sit either on the pipe or on the Russian market and crap the Russian Federation on the head.
    6. In mass order, start giving Russian citizenship to citizens of Eastern Ukraine.

    If you don’t start doing this now, tomorrow ukronacyki will not only conduct their covens in Kharkov and the Dnieper, but will get to the Kuban and Rostov.

    IT RUSSIA NEED ???
    1. sribnuu
      sribnuu 13 August 2013 16: 54 New
      -5
      Quote: avia12005
      Russia is obliged to:
      1. Declare the illegality of the Belovezhskaya agreements, especially since there is no original script at all.
      2. Adopt the list of "Magnitsky-2" in relation to the Ukronazis and the oligarchs who support them.
      3. Without looking back at the science-nazis, introduce new ships into the Black Sea, register them in Novorossiysk and send them on a visit to Sevastopolb for permanent mooring.
      4. For each march ukronatsikov respond notes of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They will not understand to lower the status of a diplomatic mission.
      5 Take all measures to ruin the Ukrainian oligarchs who are sitting or on the pipe,
      or on the Russian market and shit on the Russian Federation.
      6. In mass order, start giving Russian citizenship to citizens of Eastern Ukraine.

      If you don’t start doing this now, tomorrow ukronacyki will not only conduct their covens in Kharkov and the Dnieper, but will get to the Kuban and Rostov.


      If Russia owes you something, then change the flag and go live there. Wake up less to worry)
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 13 August 2013 17: 14 New
        +3
        Do not you teach me where I live)))
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 54 New
      0
      Russia needs. The authorities do not.
  39. Nod
    Nod 13 August 2013 12: 55 New
    +1
    although I am glad that the enemy does not hide his face and in the event of the outbreak of war it will be clear who to wet in sartir.
  40. tank64rus
    tank64rus 13 August 2013 13: 08 New
    +3
    All of these last SS and Bandera without money, that the engine without water. After all, who gives money for these shows, he writes their script. One thing can be said in Germany, some Jews even initially supported Hitler; the rest were silent. How it ended now everyone knows.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 57 New
      0
      Not initially, but all the time, to eliminate the weak and unproductive (from their point of view, that is, who did not become bankers and jewelers) and their unhealthy forces.
  41. Atlantus
    Atlantus 13 August 2013 13: 42 New
    +3
    I read it. I liked the picture above. About puppets. Sprinkle mud on each other. Oligarchs and politicians like it. Particularly touching is the “concern” for the Russians in the North Caucasus (I live there myself) (This is what Russia needs). I'm not defending. I am stating.
    Normally. The article about the disadvantages escalated into throwing poop.
  42. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 13 August 2013 13: 53 New
    +2
    The phenomenon of "exaggeration" of the East Ukrainian "patriotism" deserves special attention. I even met him in the comments to my articles on Voennoye Obozreniye by guests from Ukraine. The bottom line is: "Yes, if Bandera's supporters appear in Donetsk, I will kick them in the head!" Something I have not seen that someone in Kryvyi Rih hit on the head?

    I don’t know how in Ukraine, but in Sevastopol the Bandera fled shamefully under the guise of the “golden eagle” (Ukrainian riot police), and most of them were stopped at the approaches to the city. So there is no need to sign for everyone here.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 13 August 2013 23: 58 New
      0
      Crimea - Russia, USA - Chechnya!
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  44. piotr534
    piotr534 13 August 2013 14: 12 New
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    Sorry crying Write well, with good soul Continue, it is clear that you are in the subject and therefore the material is good. hi
    Yes, the article is indisputably correct, but behind all this I hear the cry “Help save!” And then a fair question arises. WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ??? hi
  45. chenia
    chenia 13 August 2013 14: 15 New
    +4
    Not everything is so simple. In Western Ukraine, the Natsiks are already tired, and very many recall the good old days. Such moments as, until recently, the measure of Turki was a communist (and positioned as a communist), and in Drohobych (the 2nd city of Lviv region), the measures taken by the former 1st secretary of the city committee are indicative.

    People begin to choose those who are able to do something other than chatter.
    The authority of the church is also rapidly declining.

    There is a search for strength and ideas that can carry a creative beginning. And the process is going on. And the people are getting angrier and meaner.

    The paradox is that Nazi ideas are moving further east.
    1. Sour
      Sour 13 August 2013 21: 36 New
      +1
      Yes, no paradox. In Soviet times, I was convinced in the army that not all idlers are Russophobes. And not all eastern Ukrainians are Russophiles. This is a simplified diagram. The most ardent Russophobe I knew was Odessa, and besides Russian, I did not know other languages. Another Kievite knew about the same. At the same time, he knew quite normal guys from Stryi and Rivne.
      1. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 14 August 2013 00: 02 New
        0
        My dad was a zapadentse, and in my mind - Great Russian! An officer of the Soviet Army, an honest and kind man. His former soldiers until the age of 15 then wrote letters to him.
  46. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 13 August 2013 14: 18 New
    +2
    Holding such parades, the Americans are probing the situation in Ukraine.
    They check how much the people will allow them if something happens. Well, they hint to people who are inclined towards the reunification of Russia, they say, "you have nothing to do here, yours are not dancing." This is a war that is still going on without weapons.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 14 August 2013 00: 03 New
      0
      Well, there is no such nation - an American! If you write, then write at least with a hint, but more precisely.
  47. novobranets
    novobranets 13 August 2013 14: 45 New
    +3
    And on July 19, 2009 in Lviv, the 65th anniversary of the combat baptism of the SS division "Galicia" was celebrated
    “I, the Ukrainian volunteer, voluntarily surrender myself to the German Army with this oath.
    I swear allegiance to the German Leader and Supreme Commander of the German Army, Adolf Hitler, in unwavering loyalty and obedience.
    I solemnly undertake to execute all orders and orders of superiors, as well as all military, government and official affairs to strictly keep secret and thereby faithfully and faithfully serve the German Army and at the same time to their homeland.
    It is clear to me that after my oath I am subjected to all German military disciplinary sanctions. The end of my service as a Ukrainian volunteer is determined by the German Army. ”Http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki
    This is the text of their oath, pay attention to who exactly they swear. This march of them, an unfinished fascist rabble, is a direct challenge to all sane people. Shame. And in relation to the people who fell in the fight against fascism-TRIETION. am angry
    At the beginning of March 1943 in the newspapers of the district of Galicia published the “Manifesto for the combat-ready youth of Galicia” by the governor of the district of Galicia Otto Wechter, in which the devoted service “for the benefit of the Reich” of Galician Ukrainians and their repeated requests to the Fuhrer for participation in the armed struggle, and the Fuhrer, were noted taking into account all the merits of the Galician Ukrainians, he allowed the formation of the SS Galicia Rifle Division (German SS-Schützendivision "Galizien") (in some sources the incorrect name "Galician SS Legion" is used).
  48. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 August 2013 14: 47 New
    +8
    This is an abomination, but a very necessary abomination to maintain tension in the western territories of the USSR and maintain the legitimacy of the current authorities in these territories.
    In our former ESSR, it’s still worse. ssovtsy are already national heroes, Estonian freedom fighters. They have memorials, official grooms with the participation of rulers and greetings from top officials.
    The other day, one of the rulers ached in the press that the title monuments had no flowers, while the monument to the Soldier of the Liberator (the one that was barbarously dismally dismantled and transferred to the cemetery on April 27, 2007) was buried in flowers.
  49. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 13 August 2013 14: 50 New
    +4
    I’m wondering how long Mykola needs to finally come to its senses - 10-20-30-50-100 years?
    Yes, it’s not only parades, exercises with the US Navy and so on ... There’s not even a hangover yet - the wild binge is in full swing.
  50. family tree
    family tree 13 August 2013 15: 10 New
    +4
    What a scope for operational activities! All the unguarded guano climbed out, just do not be lazy, collect data, organize, prepare lists. Everything is in sight.
    History, she loves to repeat, and it's time to tidy up on New Earth what