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Tayyip Erdogan and the vicious circle

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Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Prime Minister of Turkey, can not get into Gaza. The roundabout path there lies through Egypt, and the new Egyptian authorities do not want anyone who sympathizes with Hamas, supports the Muslim Brotherhood and condemns the army that overthrew Mursi, crossed their territory. In fact, it was not Erdogan himself who canceled the visit to Gaza, but canceled his new leadership of Egypt. Against this background, the al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri’s remark sounded loudly, accusing the “crusaders” and “atheists” in the person of the United States and the West of plotting against Mohammed Mursi. It turned out that the military, who came to power in Egypt not without the secret approval of Washington, fought off one of the NATO and American allies in the region - Turkey. There was little R. T. Erdogan’s unrest over the Gezi Park and the Syrian refugees — now also foreign humiliation. And for the United States, this refusal of Cairo (most likely, coordinated with Washington) is just convenient: strengthening of the external relations of Hamas is not necessary for either Obama or Netanyahu.


Tayyip Erdogan and the vicious circle


As recalled 9tv.co.il, R.T. Erdogan has long been going to visit Gaza, despite fears from the United States that his visit could strengthen Hamas. The Turkish Prime Minister’s sympathy for Hamas dates back to the Mavi Marmara incident in 2010.

In 2012, the power in Egypt through democracy and Washington’s applause was in the hands of the Islamists from the Muslim Brotherhood movement (the 9 channel calls them Erdogan’s ideological associates). Prime Minister began planning his visit to Gaza. However, in the spring of 2013, the trip had to be postponed. Tom found two reasons at once: the request of the US Secretary of State and the well-known apologies of Israel.

At the end of May, mass protests began in Turkey (in Istanbul and then in other cities), and the visit again had to be postponed.

While the prime minister was engaged in establishing order in his own country, Mohammed Mursi became a tiny part of Egypt’s historical past.

And now the Egyptian media write that the Egyptian authorities canceled the scheduled visit of the Prime Minister of Turkey to the Gaza Strip.

The reason for the cancellation of the visit, writes newsru.co.il, there was dissatisfaction with the new government, firstly, with Erdogan’s statements in support of Mursi, and secondly, with the statements of the prime minister about the military coup in Egypt.

There is another point of view about the cancellation of Erdogan’s visit. She leads the site of the Israeli television channel Arutz Sheva. As notes RIA News", the Turkish authorities did not officially confirm the cancellation, but one of Erdogan’s advisers wrote on the Facebook page that the visit was canceled due to the unrest in Egypt.

"Lenta.ru" With reference to The Times of Israel and Egyptian media, the Prime Minister of Turkey can only enter the Gaza Strip from Egypt, while the Egyptian authorities refused to accept R. T. Erdogan on their territory. So far, neither Turkey, nor Egypt, nor the Palestinian authorities officially confirmed the cancellation of the prime minister’s visit to Gaza.

Slightly more information issued Gazeta.ruwho cited Al-Yahm al-Sabia.

The decision to refuse the Egyptian authorities explained that R.T. Erdogan supports the Muslim Brotherhood - an organization that "harms the Egyptian people."

This is the version that seems closest to reality. Moreover, Erdogan was not denied the right to set foot on Egyptian territory.

Yemeni activist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Tavakul Karman was also banned from entering Egypt. Everything is simple and clear: this lady flew to Cairo to join the sit-in strike of supporters of Mohammed Mursi.

The human rights activist was not allowed into the territory of Egypt. Pocket had to fly away from Cairo airport on the same plane on which she arrived in the country, according to "Days. Ru" with reference to the RIA "News».

According to one representative of the Muslim Brotherhood, the activist had previously participated in demonstrations with demands to restore Mursi at the highest government post.

Such a beacon of democracy as Ayman al-Zawahiri joined the unfriendly chorus of protesters against the overthrow of Mursi. This man recently opened a conspiracy of the Crusaders and atheists.

The head of al-Qaeda has accused the United States of plotting the overthrow of Mohammed Mursi. Statement of this, reports "Lenta.ru" with reference to France-Presse, az-Zawahiri made during the audio message, released on August 3.

The removal of the Egyptian president from power, he said, was organized by “crusaders, atheists and the Americanized army with money from the Gulf countries and at the behest of the United States.”

As for the Muslim Brotherhood, it is reported "Vesti" With reference to ITAR-TASS, 25 will initiate a trial in Cairo on a number of Islamist leaders in August. The court will consider the case of the collision at the headquarters of the "Brothers" in the capital district Mukattam 30 June, which resulted in the death of sixteen people. Among the accused is Mohammed Badia, the Islamists' spiritual mentor, who is now on the wanted list, as well as the second man of the Brothers, Heirat ash-Shater. The number of the accused includes the representative of the senior management of the organization Rashad Bayoumi. The last two were detained after the removal of Mursi from power.

Thus, Erdogan, sympathetic to Islamists, was caught between two fires: the United States and Israel, on the one hand, and the new Egyptian government, on the other. If Mursi called for jihad in Syria and, I suppose, shared Erdogan’s convictions, who called the Syrian President 2013 in the spring a “butcher” and a “murderer”, then the new leadership of Egypt, with whom the United States is not going to break relations, refers to Islamist statements with great suspicion. Therefore, Erdogan will not soon get to Gaza, if he gets into his position at all ...

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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 5 August 2013 16: 04 New
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    quote-The decision to refuse the Egyptian authorities was explained by the fact that R. T. Erdogan supports the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that “harms the Egyptian people.”
    This is the version that seems closest to reality. Moreover, Erdogan was not denied the right to set foot on Egyptian territory.




    In my opinion, a more plausible version is that there is nothing to support a terrorist organization.
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 5 August 2013 16: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      quote-The decision to refuse the Egyptian authorities was explained by the fact that R. T. Erdogan supports the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that “harms the Egyptian people.”
      This is the version that seems closest to reality. Moreover, Erdogan was not denied the right to set foot on Egyptian territory.


      I agree. However, if a new episode of clashes in Egypt comes from the Americans, and this version is most likely, then this is another hint to Erdogan on the one hand, and on the other, they stubbornly continue to saw the branch on which they are sitting in the region. It is foolish to rely on Israel alone, as on a bridgehead. Although they won in Iraq, they do not favor them there. The same can be said about Libya and Tunisia. Qatar is a very small state, and the rest of the options are not 100%. Americans have a bit strange behavior. Perhaps, there is a very cunning and far-thought-out algorithm of actions, but considering that they have been working lately, they are very rude, the probability of such deep thought-out is not great. what In general, "we'll see" smile
      1. Krsk
        Krsk 5 August 2013 16: 32 New
        +3
        The policy of pisses is a deaf-blind deaf elephant in a china shop ... (I didn’t want to offend an elephant right away)
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 5 August 2013 20: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: KrSk
          The policy of pisses is a deaf-blind deaf elephant in a china shop ... (I didn’t want to offend an elephant right away)

          Elephant is a symbol of the Republican Party of Matrasia.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 5 August 2013 18: 35 New
        +6
        Quote: Constantine
        I agree. However, if a new episode of clashes in Egypt comes from the Americans, and this version is most likely, then this is another hint to Erdogan on the one hand, and on the other, they stubbornly continue to saw the branch on which they are sitting in the region.

        Erdogan is a product of political technology, prepared and grown with US money. As long as his goals and that of the sponsor were all the same, Erdogan began to grow up and imagined himself king of the East and slowly left the United States.
        Here's how to get your ward back under the wing?
        The debugged measures on destabilization inside the country and problems at the world level, etc. are used.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 5 August 2013 19: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: APASUS
          Erdogan is a product of political technology, prepared and grown with US money. As long as his goals and that of the sponsor were all the same, Erdogan began to grow up and imagined himself king of the East and slowly left the United States.
          Here's how to get your ward back under the wing?
          The debugged measures on destabilization inside the country and problems at the world level, etc. are used.


          Yes, but now the risks are big. everything happens not at the preparation stage, but in the military process, which is already gaining momentum. If Erdogan does not return to the given corridor and is not eliminated, then he can deploy one of the strongest troops in the region and, together with Iran and Syria, reduce American supremacy to zero. In turn, to fight against three armies, which, moreover, will be supported by smaller satellites and supplied to quiet Russia, China and India, in general can play a very cruel joke with combinators. recourse
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 5 August 2013 20: 18 New
          -2
          Erdogan grew up in the field of dissatisfaction with the Kemalists in Turkey. The United States at that time Kemalists were quite satisfied.
    2. experienced
      experienced 5 August 2013 16: 20 New
      +4
      I do not understand inter-political issues, I don’t want to discuss my own rules and regulations and discuss the actions of the leader of another state. Before that, Elzin (Ireland?) Peed on our chassis and didn’t even shake the premiere’s hand ...
      So, all is well, we fight opinions, but I ask without insult to the head of state hi
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 17: 05 New
        +4
        hi
        we peed on the chassis and the prime minister did not even shake hands ...

        Just EBN was a well-mannered man and without washing his hands, and then it was windy on the airfield, did not want to embarrass others ...
    3. Civil
      Civil 5 August 2013 16: 29 New
      +3
      Erdogan pursues a very strange policy, all of which are with Putin in friendships, but against Russia in Syria, together with Israel, supports terrorists in Syria and Iraq, while he loves Hamas on the lips ... insanity of the guy
      1. alone
        alone 5 August 2013 18: 52 New
        +1
        he is against al-Assad, this does not mean that he is against Putin
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 5 August 2013 19: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          he is against al-Assad, this does not mean that he is against Putin

          friend of my enemy my enemy or friend? For some reason it seems to me - the enemy. Putin directly supports Assad and covers Syria in the UN, preventing "international" common people from participating in the fun. if at the same time Erdogan considers himself to be Putin's friend - it’s just insanity.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 5 August 2013 20: 22 New
            +2
            The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily friend. A friend of my enemy is not necessarily an enemy.
            1. Yura
              Yura 5 August 2013 20: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily friend. A friend of my enemy is not necessarily an enemy.

              As he said, well done!
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 5 August 2013 20: 47 New
            +6
            Quote: wasjasibirjac
            while Erdogan considers himself a friend of Putin-like insanity.

            Putin also called Bush Jr. his friend. But he introduced anti-American politics.
            1. Humen
              Humen 6 August 2013 06: 02 New
              +2
              Believing politicians what they say is at least naive. No one will ever say what he thinks. Just what they want to hear and then in general terms. The main thing is not words, but actions.
          3. alone
            alone 5 August 2013 20: 56 New
            +4
            do not be naive, 35 billion. Dollars per year (such a trade between Turkey and Russia) do not lie on the roads. Putin and Erdogan understand this)))
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 5 August 2013 20: 22 New
        0
        Israel does not support terrorists not in Syria, not in Iraq - only a person who does not understand anything in the situation in the Middle East can give out such nonsense. Erdogan is a Sunni. And he is trying to make Turkey the leader of the Sunni and Islamic world. Only rivals in the person of Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iran are more active in their behavior.
        1. alone
          alone 5 August 2013 20: 35 New
          +5
          Iran is actually a Shiite country
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 38 New
            -2
            I know. If you did not pay attention, I indicated Islamic. Do you make the separation more clear and chew to a state of gruel? A few years ago, such a radical confrontation between the branches of Islam was mainly in Iraq.
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 5 August 2013 20: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Pimply
          Turkey leader Sunni

          Quote: Pimply
          Only rivals in the person of Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iran are more active in their behavior.

          How can Shiite Iran be a rival for leadership in the Sunni world?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 40 New
            -3
            Quote: Essenger
            How can Shiite Iran be a rival for leadership in the Sunni world?

            In drew to the fact that there is still Islamic? Do I have to clarify for every concept - Sunni in particular and Islamic in general? A few years ago, such a sharp confrontation between the branches of Islam was regional: for example, Iraq. And Iran fought for leadership throughout the Islamic world, and not just in the Shiite part of it.
        3. Yura
          Yura 5 August 2013 21: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Israel does not support terrorists not in Syria, not in Iraq - only a person who does not understand anything in the situation in the Middle East can give out such nonsense

          Eugene, It always seemed to me that Israel had never supported anyone in the Middle East, I can’t say with certainty that there were no serious attempts to establish normal neighborly relations, I understand it was difficult to do, but it’s not impossible for Israel. And what are we observing now? And we observe that the governments of most neighboring countries are enemies, terrorists trying to come to power wherever possible enemies. That is, Israel, at best, remains simply in a hostile environment if neighboring countries have governments that are current or with policies close to them. If terrorists and bandits come to power in some country, the situation escalates to an unpredictable situation, which is not sugar. Why am I, and to the fact that maybe I had to at least support someone, I’m not talking about friendship, (friendship is a complicated thing in itself, often impossible about relations between states), the state should be a friend, first of all to itself , Israel has recently developed such an impression to himself is not his best friend, moreover, to himself a fifth column. I am wrong? Tell me. I do not promise to accept your opinion, understand yes.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 5 August 2013 21: 36 New
            +4
            Israel has always pursued in the region only its interests and benefits in the form in which the country's leadership sees it, it will be beneficial to support both Hamas and reconciliation with hezbola, business is nothing personal. Naturally, with such an approach, a club of sworn friends of Israel was formed around them. Only an employee of Mossad may not know about all the agreements, even then he is not ordinary, but here he will not reveal the truth to us.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 52 New
              0
              The circle of sworn friends of Israel was formed without any approach. They simply attacked Israel immediately and thought to destroy it - but it didn’t work out.
              And as for the rest - what kind of kindergarten?
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: Jura

            Eugene, It always seemed to me that Israel had never supported anyone in the Middle East, I can’t say with certainty that there were no serious attempts to establish normal neighborly relations, I understand it was difficult to do, but it’s not impossible for Israel. And what are we observing now?

            You are joking? Read the history of the Middle East. Oslo agreements, Camp David, Olmert's attempts to start negotiations with Syria, a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, when huge territories were given for the sake of peace, a peace treaty with Jordan from 1994. Do you call this frivolous attempts? Israel is vitally interested in cooperation with neighboring countries, and is ready to pay a great price for this. Large - but not any. In addition, in the surrounding Arab countries, it is customary to portray Israel as a terrible villain even after the signing of peace treaties - watch at least a few Egyptian films on the theme of the times of Mubbarak. For example, "Embassy in the building" with Adel Imam in the title role.
            If you mean that Bashar al-Assad is predictable - who needs the predictability of the transfer of the Kornet ATGM and Yakhont missiles to Hezbollah, say? Or the predictability of support for Hamas? You don’t understand - for Israel, Assad is not the lesser evil. There, both evils are great.
            Then Elena Gromova praised Hezbollah the other day. I want to remind you that there are no good terrorists and good dictators. There are just terrorists, and there are just dictators.
            1. Yura
              Yura 7 August 2013 09: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              I want to remind you that there are no good terrorists and good dictators. There are just terrorists, and there are just dictators.

              This is definitely yes, the whole question is who for whom? I would like to point out to Israel this applies to the very least, this is about the issue. I think we have little disagreement with you on this matter, in principle I am satisfied with your answer, except for the assessment of Assad, for you it is unambiguous, for me it is not. As an example, without offending anyone else, I will cite the USSR, which was declared the "AXIS OF EVIL", those who proclaimed it knew perfectly well that this was not so, but this justified and motivated their policy towards the Soviet Union and the countries of the socialist path, they were afraid not so much of the USSR as their peoples who, having seen the real state of affairs, could begin to ask questions to their governments, they were afraid that the questions would not end
      3. Yazov
        Yazov 6 August 2013 22: 54 New
        -1
        all this with Putin ............
        Yes, we all do not know the tenth of the undercover political game, and we won’t recognize another 50 years.
    4. avt
      avt 5 August 2013 16: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Apollon
      In my opinion, a more plausible version is that there is nothing to support a terrorist organization.

      Rather, the amers are being lowered for not invading Syria. Egypt's current army hosiuts have been bought at the root by the Amers, without their next loan they will bend for six months.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 5 August 2013 17: 52 New
        +2
        Egypt’s current army hosiuts have been bought at the root by amers, without their next loan they will be bent for half a year.

        Duck, it seems that the same dancers were dancing to their tune? laughing
  2. svp67
    svp67 5 August 2013 16: 05 New
    +2
    Consequently, Erdogan will not soon fall into Gaza, if at all he will fall in his position ...
    Probably worth saying - And thank God. And on the other hand, the places there are "wild", you never know what rocket can accidentally go off course - that's all ...
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 5 August 2013 16: 17 New
      +5
      Ex-head of the General Staff of Turkey received a life sentence
      Former Chief of the General Staff of the Turkish Army Ilker Bashbug and several prominent military leaders were sentenced to life imprisonment on Monday.
      On Monday, in a court in a suburb of Istanbul, Silivri read out the verdict for the accused of attempting a coup in Turkey in 2003, RIA Novosti recalls.
      The ex-chief of the Turkish General Staff has repeatedly denied allegations of bearing by the military, who previously made coups three times, plans to overthrow the government. He also said that he was ready to testify to investigators if he was called to the prosecutor's office.
      A number of high-profile cases are being investigated in Turkey to prepare a coup to overthrow the current government; several hundred people were arrested, including active and retired military men, politicians, and journalists.

      In 2012, Ankara’s prosecutor's office demanded that the former president of Turkey, 94-year-old Kenan Evren, lead the last military coup in September 1980, sentenced to life imprisonment. He will commit suicide if brought to trial.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/5/644278.html

      that’s how he Erdogan deals with his own military generals on far-fetched charges. negative
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 5 August 2013 17: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        that’s how he Erdogan deals with his own military generals on far-fetched charges.


        Given that. that Turkey is the strongest state in the region, we keep in mind the many-way US against it, we just don’t have enough to start a mess there.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 5 August 2013 18: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Quote: Apollon
          that’s how he Erdogan deals with his own military generals on far-fetched charges.


          Given that. that Turkey is the strongest state in the region, we keep in mind the many-way US against it, we just don’t have enough to start a mess there.

          Well, not the strongest, let’s say, strong.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 5 August 2013 21: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: ed65b
            Well, not the strongest, let's say, strong


            I agree with the amendment.
            When I wrote a comment, I couldn’t correctly formulate it - they distracted me, laughing job responsibilities.
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 5 August 2013 19: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          we just don’t have enough to start a mess there.

          the straits will close tightly, airspace will become dangerous - in fact, Syria will be cut off from Russia and China, only ships around Europe can be sent to us.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 5 August 2013 21: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: wasjasibirjac
            in fact, Syria will be cut off from Russia and China, only around Europe can ships be sent to us.


            This is already the second wave, the first increase in the band of "fire" in the foreground of our borders.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 5 August 2013 17: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        In 2012, Ankara’s prosecutor’s office demanded that the former president of Turkey, 94-year-old Kenan Evren, who led last a military coup in September 1980.

        Hopefully not the last.
  3. washi
    washi 5 August 2013 16: 17 New
    13
    Thus, Erdogan, sympathetic to the Islamists, was caught between two fires: the United States and Israel, on the one hand, and the new Egyptian power, on the other.
    The patriotic population of Russia: relax in other countries. Exclude Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Cyprus.
    In winter, and in summer, relax in Russia. Military men and pensioners will be able to relax and rest in the Far East, Kamchatka and Siberia.
    The flight is sponsored by the state.
    There will be visitors, there will be a service, although in the taiga, game, survival.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 5 August 2013 18: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasya
      Military men and pensioners will be able to relax and rest in the Far East, Kamchatka and Siberia.

      No, better you are to us. On Solovki for example.
  4. Light source
    Light source 5 August 2013 16: 46 New
    +1
    After the overthrow of Mursi, and the support of the American military coup, I realized that the West supports, and in every possible way, pushes liberalism in the Middle East. Active Muslims are used as a scarecrow, and if they do not want to, then they are pushed to this. Various conflicts between different forces are also arranged for grinding local patriots.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 5 August 2013 16: 54 New
      -2
      The West does not support any liberalism among the Arabs. The US de facto abandoned attempts to democratize the Arabs after Iraq and Afghanistan. Now they have pragmatism. The bet is made on "friends". The Yankees now have their own - Saudi Arabia. Turkey is also (partially). It's just that she's now got the edge from the general mess in the Muslim world. And it is good that he got it - it will temper Erdogan's desire to poke his nose into Syria and Egypt.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 August 2013 20: 25 New
        -1
        And before, the liberal component was not too important for the West either. It is enough to look at the regimes of South Korea and South Vietnam at one time. Well it is, for example.
        1. Light source
          Light source 6 August 2013 14: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          And before, the liberal component was not too important for the West either. It is enough to look at the regimes of South Korea and South Vietnam at one time. Well it is, for example.

          There, in general, the war was different, and the time was different.
    2. Light source
      Light source 5 August 2013 17: 15 New
      +1
      Add: Most likely, various radicals are pushed to the lands of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq to unleash a Sunni-Shiite war there and drag Iran into it.

      And oil and gas pipelines will be laid in northern Africa in Italy and Spain.
      1. alone
        alone 5 August 2013 22: 27 New
        0
        Why? It is possible through Syria and Turkey straight to Europe. understand the hint? now understand what is the essence of that mess in Syria? and add the gas pipe from Qatar there, then you will understand the billions of dollars in support of Qatar to the rebels)))
        1. Light source
          Light source 6 August 2013 14: 44 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          Why? It is possible through Syria and Turkey straight to Europe. understand the hint? now understand what is the essence of that mess in Syria? and add the gas pipe from Qatar there, then you will understand the billions of dollars in support of Qatar to the rebels)))

          In North Africa, there is still Algeria and Libya with its oil and gas. Their sources will replenish the pipe. And I added the pipe from Qatar to the North African.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 5 August 2013 20: 24 New
      0
      The West supports anyone conveniently, and often jumps on the bandwagon of the outgoing train.
  5. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 August 2013 17: 05 New
    +4
    The situation in Turkey and Egypt is deliberately swinging. I am sure this is at the mercy of some microscopic state in a region with unmeasured ambitions and with powerful agents of influence around the world.
    1. bask
      bask 5 August 2013 17: 23 New
      +1
      Tayyip Erdogan and the vicious circle

      Erdogan, just an Amerian puppet and a chain pit bull, on feeding.
      He only showed disobedience and a hint of Turkey's independent policy in the world.
      amers immediately explained that his place near Amerov’s pa ** shi !!!!! wassat am
    2. Black
      Black 5 August 2013 17: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: FC Skif
      The situation in Turkey and Egypt is deliberately swinging. I am sure this is in the hands of no one microscopic state-woo

      Erdogan is a good leader in the country. their country, with their problems, goals. The "microscopic state" with the macroscopic patron (and at its request) has muddied and will muddy the waters. Erdogan (as he can) is spinning.
      1. bask
        bask 5 August 2013 17: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Chen

        Erdogan is a good leader in the country. their country, with their problems, goals. "Microscopic state" with a macroscopic patron

        Mycoscopic state with millions of people According to the Turkish Statistical Institute, the country's population in 2011 was 74 million 724 thousand 269 people, by the end of 2012 it had increased to 75 million 627 thousand 384 people.
        And the strongest Muslim army in the world. Second after Israel in the Middle East.
        He is the enemy of Syria No. 1.
        Quote: Chen
        . Erdogan (as he can) is spinning.

        He does not spin, but licks oppa sysha am
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 5 August 2013 20: 26 New
      -1
      The situation in Turkey and Egypt is a direct consequence of the internal problems of these countries. And no more.
      1. old man54
        old man54 5 August 2013 21: 30 New
        +4
        Brad, less need to listen to Israel TV! laughing
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 54 New
          0
          And you - more often to get acquainted with the real situation. Read some serious Arabists or Arab blogs. I assure you that you will find a lot of discoveries among their assessments. Although it is unlikely to master it: this is not shouting chokingly "the US is to blame for everything."
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 5 August 2013 17: 30 New
    +2
    Such a beacon of democracy as Ayman al-Zawahiri joined the unfriendly chorus of protesters against the overthrow of Mursi. This man recently opened a conspiracy of the Crusaders and atheists.

    How? Jews not involved in the plot? The mess. Knead quickly!
  7. morpogr
    morpogr 5 August 2013 17: 58 New
    +2
    They are preparing a multi-way trip against him in the United States and Israel will not be surprised if there is a Saudi money trace. They will prepare a drain to Erdogan and the muck of Turkey.
  8. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 5 August 2013 18: 05 New
    +2
    So it will be with those who sympathize with the Americans.
  9. Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 August 2013 18: 07 New
    +6
    Azerbaijan and Turkey have begun to form a unified army, Zahid Oruj, member of the Milli Majlis (parliament) of Azerbaijan, a member of the parliamentary committee on security and defense, told Trend.

    "The joint exercises conducted by the military units of Azerbaijan and Turkey prove that both states form a common view of regional problems and security issues, and along with the economic, political and diplomatic foundations of these relations, their most important component is being created - the military one," emphasized Oruj.

    The formula of cooperation should be restored not in the form of "One nation, two states", but in the context of "One nation, one army," the MP said.

    In this direction, there are opportunities to improve the army, apply NATO standards, and with the growth of Azerbaijan’s power, its influence in the region will increase.

    "In this area, Azerbaijan and Turkey are taking joint strategic steps. From now on, expanding opportunities, it is possible to create military formations, platoons performing the same mission in a certain direction. There is political will, enough resources for this," the member of the parliamentary committee said.

    12 days of the last month are considered very significant in terms of increasing the combat readiness of military units, motorized rifle divisions, mastering command and control skills from a single center and demonstrating tactical and technical capabilities, the deputy noted.

    "The courses will contribute to the areas of rapprochement of ties, the joint implementation of common tactical plans, the use of joint weapons, the implementation of exercises of the formations, the transfer of experience in the field of guiding heavy weapons to the target and other areas," Oruj added.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 5 August 2013 20: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Yarbay
      "The courses will contribute to the areas of rapprochement of ties, the joint implementation of common tactical plans, the use of joint weapons, the implementation of exercises of formations, the transfer of experience in the field of targeting heavy weapons and other areas."


      I would like to add joint production and R&D of weapons there!
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 5 August 2013 20: 55 New
      +5
      Hello, Yarbai.
      Such news is walking on the Internet. Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia have created some kind of military organization. Are you up to date? What do you think about this?
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 5 August 2013 21: 09 New
        +1
        with NATO and Israel allies? it’s very simple here: TAKM is a Ministry of Internal Affairs program and does not concern the armed forces.

        In general, we teach countries to keep the situation under control, avoiding anarchy in the absence of authorities. Egypt and Tunisia also wanted to study with us and get an analysis of the events of 2005 and 2010.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 5 August 2013 21: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: KG_patriot_last
          with NATO and Israel allies?

          And what can not be dealt with them? They are not handshakes for you?
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 5 August 2013 21: 24 New
            +1
            Your aggression is not very clear. In any case, we are already dealing with Turkey in all spheres of politics and economics, including the military sphere. But we also respect the organizations in which we are members and listen to allies to which NATO is not a member.
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 5 August 2013 21: 36 New
              +5
              Quote: KG_patriot_last
              Your aggression is not very clear.

              I have no aggression towards you. Kyrgyz Cossack Bir Tugan. If something confused you, I apologize.
              Did you somehow get shy and ask an incomprehensible question WITH NATO ALLIES AND ISRAEL? I was a little perplexed. As if they should not be contacted. Sincerely.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 August 2013 21: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Essenger
        Such news is walking on the Internet. Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia have created some kind of military organization. Are you up to date? What do you think about this?

        Hi .. this has long been known !!
        There, in my opinion, the type of internal troops!
        But it is clear that the first step !!
        Turkey and Azerbaijan in the military sphere I think will integrate !!
        But whatever they say Erdogan in my opinion causes great harm to Turkey!
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 6 August 2013 07: 55 New
        +4
        Essenger No, this is misinformation. What common interests can Turkey and Mongolia say? There is cooperation, and close, between Turkey and Azerbaijan. And about the rest it is more likely a disinformation.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 6 August 2013 19: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          Essenger No, this is misinformation. What common interests can Turkey and Mongolia say? There is cooperation, and close, between Turkey and Azerbaijan. And about the rest it is more likely a disinformation.

          yes no no deer Yerli, There is a unit of internal troops. It was simply a disa that it was a combined army, although it was just a police unit.
          By the way, in Turkey, cadets from Mongolia study at the police academy, all of which are full 5 years.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 6 August 2013 20: 05 New
            +3
            Yerli you do not understand me. I said that information about the military organization between Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia is desa. And Turkey and Azerbaijan have been cooperating for a long time.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 6 August 2013 20: 13 New
              0
              I believe that you will cover our border from the Islamists.
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 5 August 2013 18: 21 New
    +6
    Thank you Oleg !! I have never tried to understand what is going on in Turkey. but thanks to Chuvakin and Yarbai I began to understand a little. And if there was no VO, I would have lived in complete ignorance ... But the excessive enthusiasm for military-political resources has another side. For example, yesterday Berlusconi came to me in a dream ... I wanted to sell my car. And I told him: "All the same, after all, you ... you! I won't buy it!" It's scary ... Earlier, the truth is the integrals came and said: "Take me!". But I could not ... I am packing my things and in a fool. But after the vacation !!!
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 6 August 2013 03: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: retired
      ..Collect things and fool.

      Take more slippers, and then suddenly the liberals from under the baseboard will climb wassat
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 6 August 2013 08: 00 New
        +2
        And here you are! And I am their state. By the hospital. Leather like that - you know? Killer thing! angry And in the store, frivolous are sold. Not that you can’t kill a liberal mouse. sad Well, no one canceled the state sheet either. Classic weapons ... good
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 6 August 2013 09: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          And here you are!

          I’ll come to you in a dream with the integral as well wassat
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 6 August 2013 09: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            I’ll come to you in a dream with the integral as well

            And not such integrated! laughing I can also differentiate ... repeat
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 August 2013 09: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: retired
              I can also differentiate ...

              Well then go to bed with a slipper at the ready, I’ll come and diffuse until you buy a car from Berlusconi bully
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 6 August 2013 09: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                until you buy a car from Berlusconi

                Not. I already sent that off. angry Maybe just start with drinks? and there anything can be ... And Berlusconi will suddenly return and your integral will come in handy ... And not the fact that I will buy a car ...
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 6 August 2013 09: 56 New
                  +3
                  Quote: retired
                  Maybe let's just start with drinks.

                  Yeah drinks
                  Quote: retired
                  And Berlusconi will return suddenly and your integral will come in handy.

                  And why buy if you have at hand the integral and combat slipper what So take it and then again drinks laughing
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 6 August 2013 10: 15 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    So take it and then again

                    Really! And we will give him a drink in the trash and again we will make the prime minister of Italy. Che good disappear ... I will give him more slippers (one, and leave the second, just in case), and you're an integral. Next time will come with an integral on the shoulder. It’s easier for you ...
  11. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 5 August 2013 18: 45 New
    +2
    <<< In 2012, the power in Egypt democratically and under the applause of Washington ended up in the hands of Islamists from the Muslim Brotherhood movement >>>
    In the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood, power with the support of Washington ended up not only in Egypt, but also in other Arab countries after the color revolutions carried out there. They are also fighting in Syria against Assad and again with his support. So the "Brothers" are creatures of the USA! But now an ever-increasing wave of dissatisfaction with the Brothers, their Islamist policy, which has already thrown Mursi in Egypt, is rolling through all these countries. It seems that the States realized that the ram they had created from the Muslim Brotherhood to seize power and control over the Arab countries are BLOWING OUT and they are forced to maneuver so as not to fall along with the "Brothers" also under the rolling Arab wave of popular anger.
  12. shpuntik
    shpuntik 5 August 2013 18: 47 New
    -2
    I read about these Muslim brothers, I still do not understand who they are for? Hezbollah also, on the one hand, launches rackets in Israel, on the other, fights against Assad in Syria. Al-Qaeda: they collaborated with the USA against the Union in Afghanistan, then they catch Bin-Laden (a billionaire, partner of the Bush). Some kind of undercover fight.
    It would be better if the Greeks and Bulgarians gathered, but they took Constantinople back from the Turks, and that’s all.
    And let them continue to do what they want. The main thing is that the straits would return to our allies, then everything will be smooth.
    1. alone
      alone 5 August 2013 18: 56 New
      0
      )) Greeks and Bulgarians gathered))) do you think Bulgarians and Greeks get along with each other? Do not forget the problems of Thrace. Greek-Turkish attitudes are no longer those that were in the 20th century. Turks have even forgiven half a billion debt even to the Greeks recently
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 5 August 2013 19: 10 New
        +1
        lonely (1) AZ Today, 18:56 ↑ New
        )) Greeks and Bulgarians gathered)))

        But what about Cyprus?
        Of course, they themselves will never get together, they need to be armed and sent in the right direction. Let it be, for example: "Brothers Slavs". Why not? Then Turkey will have no time for Syria, and Europpa will scratch the back of her head.
        This means that there will be no Nabucco then. A mirror response to support for gangs in Chechnya. We went "on foot" from Turkey, through Georgia to Chechnya. It’s not just that a mess began there, it’s a corridor for the supply of Caspian oil + oil in Chechnya itself.
        1. alone
          alone 5 August 2013 20: 25 New
          0
          dear novel! look what economic reports come from Greece, Cyprus, the same Bulgarians. let's even get together and go to war, how to wage war if the countries listed are bankrupt? Crowds of Bulgarians go through the istanbul in search of work. let's really argue. Greece, Turkey and Bulgaria, NATO members, Greeks and Bulgarians will immediately give everything to the kumpole hard, and Turkey, even during the crisis, did not suffer economically, by the way, having recently paid off the IMF's debts, it itself began to issue loans through this organization. and as for Chechnya, so there all sorts of people from all over the world wandered around, but this does not mean the position of an official country. Do you think there were fewer of your generals who sold weapons to these freaks from warehouses?)))
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 5 August 2013 21: 18 New
            +2
            lonely (1) AZ Today, 20:25 ↑
            "... and Turkey, even during the crisis, did not suffer economically. By the way, having recently paid off its debts to the IMF, Turkey itself began to issue loans through this organization."

            Dear Omar, I agree in principle: the task is not an easy one, you can use the Kurds. But, Russia is not doing this, that’s the thing.
            This I brought options for the type of actions of Washington.
            As for the crisis: annually Russians leave 10 billion dollars there, in addition to rest, there are also a lot of clothes, good skin.
            Regarding: "everyone was hanging around there" I disagree. There was a concrete corridor, the shortest way, especially Azerbaijan did not welcome these Wakhabis. We were treated there and rested. A well-known fact. By the way, a couple of them were banged there, right after the explosion in Moscow. Selling power in Russia is understandable, but helping thugs is different.
            A thin world is better than a good quarrel. But Turkey had a hand in the war in Chechnya, it’s in vain.
            1. alone
              alone 5 August 2013 22: 05 New
              +1
              You know how many representatives of the peoples of the North Caucasus live in Turkey? One and a half million Abkhazians. It is not surprising that which particular part of Turkey supported and helped the separatists. For example, during the Soviet Union, the KGB also financed left-wing Kurdish organizations in the fight against Ankara. Governments don’t need this. The economy is most common, you give them gas, they give you textiles, cheap vacations in comfort. As for our cooperation, I’ll give you just one example. I don’t deny that we also went to fight in Chechnya from our country, who they soaked, soaked and who survived until now they are sitting for life for mercenaries, many have already died there. The FSB signal that the ringleader of the bearded man might be in our territory of the Ministry of National Security conducted an operation and squeezed out a detachment of leaked bandits from the border areas, where they were awaited by the ambush of the Russian security forces. . Mutually understanding and respecting each other’s interests.
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 5 August 2013 22: 24 New
                +2
                Colonel
                lonely (1) AZ Today, 22:05 ↑
                Do you know how many representatives of the peoples of the North Caucasus live in Turkey?

                Okay, hushed up :-)
                1. alone
                  alone 5 August 2013 22: 44 New
                  +3
                  )))))))))no problems))))
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 6 August 2013 20: 26 New
              0
              Quote: shpuntik
              As for the crisis: annually Russians leave 10 billion dollars there, in addition to rest, there are also a lot of clothes, good skin.

              I’m not tired of living with these tales that Turkey has an 80 million population, which lives in the 20 largest economies of the world at the expense of not the richest Russian tourists who are chasing cheap trips for 15-20 thousand.


              Turkey’s tourism income in 2012 increased by 1,8 percent compared to the same period in 2011, amounting to $ 23,4 billion, according to a report from the Turkish Institute of Statistics, published on Thursday on its website.

              In the fourth quarter of 2012, tourism revenue increased by 17,2 percent compared to the same period in 2011, amounting to 6,1 billion dollars.

              According to information, 75,1 percent of tourism income was received from foreign tourists.

              The number of tourists in Turkey in 2012 increased by 1,7 percent compared to 2011, amounting to 36,7 million people.

              The number of tourists in the fourth quarter of 2012 increased by 3,5 percent compared to the same period in 2011, amounting to 7,6 million people.

              As you can see, the income is 24 billion, of which only 75% are foreigners. That is, 18 billion, and you say here that the Russians left 10 billion there.
              1st place Germany 4mln
              2nd place Russia 3.3mln
              3 place Great Britain 2.1
              almost a million Iranians visited, but the RICH RUSSIANS left more money there than the poor Germans and the British. The Russians are staying at the most expensive hotels, not like the others and they are also emptying the bar.
              Let's be realistic and really look at things.
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 8 August 2013 16: 11 New
                +1
                Lieutenant general
                Yeraz (1) RU August 6, 2013 20:26 ↑
                After all, the Russians stay at the most expensive hotels, not like the others and they are not emptying the bar either.
                Let's be realistic and really look at things.


                So I look really, but you do not read carefully. So, I said so:
                About the crisis: annually Russians leave 10 billion dollars there, in addition to rest, there are also many clothes, good skin.

                I just worked in "Lounge" for a bit, I know how much trade :-)
                Not only talked about tourism.
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 5 August 2013 19: 07 New
      +5
      Hezbollah does not fight against Syria and Assad.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 5 August 2013 19: 14 New
        +1
        Well, of course, they are fighting on Assad’s side, then who is Hezbollah of? Shiites, Salafists?
        1. alone
          alone 5 August 2013 20: 28 New
          +2
          Hezbollah Shiites, organized and funded by Iran against Israel. weapons and money go along the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah route
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 5 August 2013 21: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            on the route Iran-Syria-Hezbollah


            Let me correct Iran-Syria-Lebanon (Hezbollah). Still, Hezbollah is not a country, but a paramilitary organization.
            1. alone
              alone 5 August 2013 22: 07 New
              +2
              hi I agree)) Kazakh kardash))
          2. shpuntik
            shpuntik 5 August 2013 22: 51 New
            +1
            lonely (1) AZ Today, 20:28 ↑
            Hezbollah Shiites, organized and funded by Iran against Israel. weapons and money go along the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah route

            Clearly, Shiites. Therefore, Iran and want to dunk, a source of funding.
        2. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 5 August 2013 21: 14 New
          +3
          Hezbollah is a Lebanese organization (the same country where there are Christians, Shiites, Druze, Sunnis, Armenians, Orthodox and so on), which also fights with Israel, while the official Mecca, Ankara and Qatar are allies of Israel.

          By the way, Syria after Geneva-2 can reorganize power in the image and likeness of Lebanon, to overcome interfaith contradictions. In any case, Putin clearly said that the Syrian state is partly to blame for the current situation and advised to change the state system so as to overcome the crisis.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 58 New
            -1
            The capital of Saudi Arabia is Riyadh. And to call this country an ally for Israel is extremely problematic. Like Qatar, like Ankara (you, apparently, read the last newspaper on the topic of five years ago).
    3. Essenger
      Essenger 5 August 2013 20: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: shpuntik
      I read about these Muslim brothers, I still do not understand who they are for? Hezbollah also, on the one hand, launches rackets in Israel, on the other, fights against Assad in Syria.

      Hezbollah howl on the side of Assad.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 5 August 2013 22: 48 New
        +1
        Essenger KZ Today, 20:58 ↑
        Hezbollah howl on the side of Assad.

        Clear with Hezbollah. Thanks for the clarification.
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 6 August 2013 01: 55 New
      -3
      Hezbollah is fighting for Assad, if you are not in the know. One of its main allies.
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 August 2013 18: 54 New
    +5
    Erdogan’s arrogance quickly fell asleep (at the expense of Syria, etc.) after the riots in his country and now Egypt clicks on his nose .. What he wanted and deserved .. Erdogan was clearly blown away .. Behaved to say the least ... Syria will stand it he will have to leave ..
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 5 August 2013 19: 27 New
      +4
      MIKHAN SU Today, 18:54
      What he wanted, he deserved it ... Erdogan was clearly blown away .. He didn’t act very softly ... If Syria persists, he will have to leave ..

      Most likely, AVT is right, Erdogan did not dare to go to Syria, and Sha is poisoning him. Threw Obama the Nobel peacemaker.
      1. alone
        alone 5 August 2013 22: 40 New
        +1
        Erdogan is not. as soon as it goes to Syria, the whole Middle East will explode like a powder keg. it doesn’t need it. and at least a dozen countries will protest aggression and take a minimum of economic sanctions. Losses will be more than profit. The economy now solves everything. Remember, recently, how bent Nabucco Russia and Azerbaijan. we just sat down and talked about how to avoid harming each other in the gas trade in Europe. If I’m honestly happy about this. We live nearby. The West is very far away, we have no reason for LGBT. As a result, everyone has their own sector, everyone sells their opportunities without interfering with each other. where economic interests, enemies and friends do not exist. there are common interests how to make money)))
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 5 August 2013 22: 52 New
          +2
          Why then does he help the Islamists in Syria in every way?
          1. alone
            alone 5 August 2013 23: 56 New
            +2
            there are old frictions. once Syria kept the Kurdish left parties on the borders and helped them. This is from the time of Assad Sr., secondly, do not forget that the Turks are Sunnis. There is some kind of solidarity. But they won’t openly fight against Syria. unless of course Assad does not attack first. and he, too, doesn’t have problems in his throat in his house
  14. kotvov
    kotvov 5 August 2013 19: 16 New
    +1
    Interestingly, and against whom is the military alliance of Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan directed against, is it not against the United States?
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 5 August 2013 19: 34 New
      +3
      kotvov SU Today, 19:16
      Interestingly, and against whom is the military alliance of Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan directed against, is it not against the United States?

      They, if they can, are in DutyFree to beat bottles with brandy :-)
      The Atlantic Ocean is a good buffer. Not every eagle reaches its middle.
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 5 August 2013 19: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: kotvov
      Interestingly, and against whom is the military alliance of Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan directed against, is it not against the United States?

      What are you, how can this be their breadwinner!
      1. alone
        alone 5 August 2013 20: 32 New
        -1
        Eugene, the military union Turkey-Azerbaijan-Georgia consists only in the military-industrial complex and nothing else. And yet, no one feeds my country, we have something to feed ourselves, we ask nothing for nothing, and we don’t sit in the neck like some.
    3. alone
      alone 5 August 2013 20: 33 New
      -2
      this union is only in the sphere of the military industrial complex and nothing more.
  15. sergej30003
    sergej30003 5 August 2013 20: 25 New
    +1
    you can get to Gaza by sea, though the Israelis urinate the Turks, as in a toilet, in general, you can apologize afterwards, the West simply humiliates Erdogan because he does not get involved in the war in Syria
    1. alone
      alone 5 August 2013 20: 37 New
      +2
      Israel’s only advantage over Turkey is that Israel has nuclear weapons, the rest is the complete superiority of Turkey. the West does not humiliate, but takes revenge on Turkey for sending them about the European Union
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 5 August 2013 21: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: lonely
        the West does not humiliate, but takes revenge on Turkey for sending them about the European Union

        The West sent Turkey and it takes revenge for it? Something I do not enter the logic.
        Quote: lonely
        Israel’s only advantage over Turkey is that Israel has nuclear weapons, the rest is the complete superiority of Turkey.

        In ground forces, yes. At sea - quantitatively on paper, it seems superiority, but in fact still look. Israel has overwhelming superiority in the air. 77 F-15 and 347 F-16 against the Turkish 227 F-16 and 152 antediluvian Phantom F-4.
        1. alone
          alone 5 August 2013 22: 10 New
          +2
          it was Ankara that suspended negotiations about the European Union. Even Erdogan said that if Europe does not want to see us in the union as we are, then we do not need such a union. We will not change our lives for the sake of some kind of union. About the fleet, even the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy recognized that on the Black Sea Turkey has superiority over all coastal countries. even hypothetically, if everything is wrong, Israel and Turkey will never fight against each other))) common interests will not allow. and rolling a barrel against each other is politics.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 5 August 2013 22: 14 New
            +1
            And he said it well, surely so, now I understand why they want to dump his Yankers, he became uncontrollable.
            1. alone
              alone 5 August 2013 22: 46 New
              +1
              when a country grows economically, when you pay off all your debts, and you yourself begin to give out loans and have in your hands a 700 thousandth armada and the population that will follow you, you can afford to disobey others
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 5 August 2013 22: 49 New
                +1
                Usually just at this moment Orlan of the Dermocracy flies in.
                1. alone
                  alone 5 August 2013 22: 56 New
                  +2
                  so ertogan every now and then chose the people in a democratic way by western standards))) and yet, given the strategic location of Turkey (straits and the mediterranean sea), as well as the largest US military base in the region under the NATO flag, the United States will never go to it’s going to ruin the amers sideways! yes, the amers are stupid, they don’t know basic things, but believe me not in geopolitics and not in issues of oil and gas
                  1. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 5 August 2013 23: 03 New
                    +1
                    I don’t know the true plans of the USA, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, I can only naively guess about them, so if the amers want to turn the entire Middle East into a zone of chaos they will do it, and membership in NATO, nor their base, no agreements will decide anything, the USA He is actively switching to another region, and if it is beneficial for them to leave the east to leave him in chaos, they will do it and will not blink an eye. Once they delivered weapons to Iraq, built nuclear power plants there, had their base and were friends with the Hussein regime, but their interests have changed and where is the once-strong Iraq, but it was no weaker than Turkey at one time.

                    And by the way, whether the president was elected democratically or not will be decided not by the Turks, but by the USA. The light of democracy is more visible.
                    1. alone
                      alone 5 August 2013 23: 12 New
                      +1
                      for this, it is enough to hint at Israel to start an operation against hezbollah or Hamas. but in the current scenario, they don’t need anything. In Turkey, the president does not decide anything. parliament and the government decide everything there. Turkey is essentially a parliamentary republic, and this is its trump card. Their president as president of the FRG is just a symbol of power
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 6 August 2013 02: 03 New
                        -2
                        That Erdogan, as I understand the situation, is trying to change.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 6 August 2013 02: 17 New
            -1
            Quote: lonely
            . even Erdogan said that if Europe does not want to see us in the union as we are, then we do not need such a union

            Well, yes, like "grapes are green". Erdogan decided not to break into Europe anymore after being dunked in Mr. Germany and France. But before that I really wanted to.
            Quote: lonely
            Navy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation admitted that Turkey has superiority over all coastal countries on the Black Sea

            But not in the Mediterranean. If I understand anything, the Turks have nothing to detect Israeli "Dolphins" due to the lack of anti-submarine aircraft, and they can shoot the Turks with torpedoes or cruise missiles. Not to mention special warheads for cruise missiles.
            Quote: lonely
            Israel and Turkey will never fight against each other
            Hopefully. But, as they say in America, never say "never".
            Quote: lonely
            common interests do not allow. and roll a barrel at each other is politics.
            But that seems to be true.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 6 August 2013 02: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          In ground forces, yes.

          Here we are talking more about numbers, and then - the difference is not so significant - a half and a half times.
    2. old man54
      old man54 5 August 2013 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: sergej30003
      you can get to Gaza by sea

      and how is it? fellow Can be more? No.
    3. Essenger
      Essenger 5 August 2013 21: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: sergej30003
      You can get to Gaza by sea,

      Jews blocked the coast of Gaza. This is unrealistic. Forgot about the Turkish flotilla?
  16. individual
    individual 5 August 2013 20: 58 New
    +1
    Quote:
    "Thus, Erdogan, who sympathizes with the Islamists, found himself between two fires: the United States and Israel on the one hand, the new Egyptian government on the other."

    It should be added that there is a third fire that scorches Erdogan's policy - it is his own people that "burns" in the squares of Istanbul and Ankara.
    angry
    1. alone
      alone 5 August 2013 22: 17 New
      +3
      you know, don’t believe it. in Syria they showed a crowd of 5 thousand people and said that the people were against Assad when a rally of 2 million was held in Damascus in support of Assad))) euronews showed a single dumb picket in Istanbul against the authorities when two blocks from this place, XNUMX million istanbul residents held a rally in support of the Turkish authorities. The media are fed by certain circles. They transmit what the sponsor is interested in. And whoever pays, then orders the music
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 6 August 2013 02: 03 New
        -1
        In Syria, there were numerous rallies both for and against Assad. Which is logical - the Alawites supported him, and there are many of them.
  17. Hey
    Hey 5 August 2013 21: 43 New
    0
    They didn’t let me in, well, to hell with him that they didn’t let me in.
    Something more important is being planned here. Putin Erdogan called to his place in Moscow.

    The President of Russia and the Turkish Prime Minister agreed to hold a telephone call in Moscow in the fall, the Kremlin’s press service said.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20130805/954429642.html#13757281797753&message=resize&relto=
    register & action = addClass & value = registration # ixzz2b7bgUpeu
    1. alone
      alone 5 August 2013 22: 19 New
      +1
      is called called? Putin invited his most important economic partner in the region to Moscow)))))
  18. MREDBEST
    MREDBEST 5 August 2013 22: 11 New
    -3
    Erdoganchik played out, he eventually became a puppet and objectionable))) He deserved it!
  19. pinecone
    pinecone 6 August 2013 07: 27 New
    +1
    lonely (1) AZ Today, 20:25 ↑
    "... and Turkey, even during the crisis, did not suffer economically. By the way, having recently paid off its debts to the IMF, Turkey itself began to issue loans through this organization."

    In April 2013 Turkey's external debt amounted to 340 billion dollars, of which 226 billion accounted for the private sector.
  20. individual
    individual 6 August 2013 07: 33 New
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    For Ankara, the X "hour in the Syrian issue has not yet struck. It will come when the fact is revealed that the presence of such a number of members of the international Islamist terrorist international threatens the country's national security, and the Kurdish issue in Turkey will cross the red line. It is possible that all this will lead to a violation of the territorial integrity of the Turkish Republic.
    The introduced virus of destruction of states swallows more and more countries.
  21. 311ove
    311ove 6 August 2013 10: 38 New
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    Muhammad Mursi became a tiny part of Egypt's historical past. Deeply noticed and beautifully said!
  22. ed65b
    ed65b 6 August 2013 13: 08 New
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    we, as a neighbor of Turkey, need it only as a stable and friendly state. Russia and Turkey solve all problems, even omissions are successfully overcome, and dead-end directions remain in the status quo position and do not swell. Everything is coordinated between the Foreign Ministries and the Prime Minister and the President personally. The exception is perhaps Syria, but even here I think Turkey will reconsider its approaches when the situation in Syria improves. Now she needs to beautifully leave the game without reputational losses for the prime minister and the country. I wish Turkey prosperity and stability.