"Ilyin's Day" Airborne Forces (photo report)

Ilyin Day and the 83 anniversary of the Airborne Forces celebrated the 2 of August in Moscow with a procession and a festive concert. The official part of the events began with a prayer and liturgy in the temple of Elijah the Prophet in China Town. Then the clergy, together with the soldiers and officers of the Airborne Forces, made a procession from the temple to the Place of Execution on the Red Square. The event will end with the concert program “Nobody, except us!” On Poklonnaya Hill.

The ceremonial construction of the airborne troops of Russia before the procession on Red Square



Commander of the Airborne Forces of Russia V.A. Shamanov



Guard of honor at the icon of St. Elias



Participants of the holiday



Airborne fighter before the procession



Church cleric



Former paratrooper Airborne



Moleben with water blessing on the street. Ilyinka



Procession on Red Square



Airborne Officer in full dress on Red Square



Preparing for the march



Blessing before the procession



Participants in the procession



Veteran Airborne



Building on Red Square



Spectators of the celebration

Comments

[Apollo]

video appeal of the chairman of the Union of paratroopers of the Russian Federation

The latest military equipment will appear in the Airborne Forces

[KuigoroZHIK]

just one question:
Which bastard put a minus article?

[Aryan]

Are you a campaign fighter for awards?
or what?

and on
Happy Holidays!
My friend had a father major airborne
already dead, kingdom be upon him
since he had one army craft as an icon on the wall
round wooden base on which is painted
The wolf from "Well! Wait!" in parachute uniform
and with a faceted glass in his hand
and signature
"FOR THE AIRBORNE FORCES!"
Uncle Vasya really appreciated this fighting memory

[Ducksar]

christian phobia

[s1н7т]

Quote: Kuygorozhik

What a bastard

Do you talk to yourself?

[Ducksar]

and yet I am right (though they were minuscule)! here you are, an ardent representative ... And how many fights were fought and victories won under the guise of Christ ?! that even in difficult times an airplane with the face of the Virgin flew over Moscow. and now, as an alien, you reject and are ready to blame.

[batalin15246]

Surely the same one that put plus a photo report posted in "Lenta.RU"

[Tersky]

Apollo, ! Other gentlemen, the silushka of the Russian Airborne Forces have long been appreciated

[Hleb]

Victor well, give people proof of this quote? That you all copy what he did not say?

[spok]

and yet this is damn unfortunately
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[Stalinets]

Vostrotin, as always !!!!! Man !!!!!

[Apollo]

continuation of the topic

Shamanov: In two or three years, the Airborne Forces will receive an upgraded self-propelled artillery system "Octopus"
The upgraded anti-tank self-propelled installation "Octopus" will go into service in two or three years, said the commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov.
According to him, a set of measures to form a test program is being completed, funding has been received.
Details are not given.

Self-propelled artillery mount with anti-tank gun "Octopus-SD" (self-propelled landing) is an armored combat, tracked floating vehicle. Without refueling, it can make throws, marches at distances up to five hundred kilometers.
It was produced in a small series for the Russian Armed Forces. As of 2009, there were four batteries in the Airborne Forces, that is, 24 vehicles. In 2010, it announced the rejection of further purchases and the cessation of production. However, on 2 in May of that year, this information was refuted by the commander of the Airborne Forces - Vladimir Shamanov. He said that this installation, after some refinement, will be purchased further, in series.
In terms of firepower, the upgraded gun is comparable to the T-90 tank. The Octopus is capable of firing all types of shells, including rocket launches from an 125-mm cannon with a rate of fire of seven rounds per minute. The system is equipped with three different sights, an arms stabilizer, coaxial machine gun with a cannon, and a smoke grenade launch system. The self-propelled gun has an elongated seven-rim chassis, created on the components and assemblies of a serial BMD-3 airborne assault vehicle.

2С25 "Octopus" - the heaviest airborne combat vehicle in the world. Its total mass with a crew of three is about 18 tons. In 2007, the Airborne Forces successfully conducted the first test landing of a self-propelled gun from the Il-76 military transport aircraft.

The disadvantage of this machine is the unfinished diesel engine 2В-06-2 with an output of 510 l. with.

In 2009, the Sprut self-propelled guns participated in the Victory Day parade on Red Square.
more details http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/4/644172.html

[tupolev-95]

Pure water provocation, sorry police intervened.

[Russ69]

Quote: Tupolev-95

Pure water provocation, sorry police intervened.

In the video, someone shouted that this was a provocation, and they parted on this.

[psdf]

In theory, the task of the police is to knit a provocateur, and not to fight with paratroopers.

[Pimply]

In theory, this is a single picket. Take for what?

[igor67]

Quote: Pimply

In theory, this is a single picket. Take for what?

An unauthorized picket, Zhenya, and why should he be proud of what he didn’t traditional, all the same for nature this is a deviation, in nature everything must reproduce and the strongest species survive, but how can this continue its kind? in criminal law.

[Hort]

Yes, the fact of the matter is that unfortunately (as I understood from the comments on the video of this attempted suicide) he had an authorized picket. Initially, there should have been three more along with this red dolbozad. But those, apparently, deceived :)
Otherwise, the police would have immediately taken him away directly from the Palace

[Suhov]

You can take for anything.
You can, for example, "take for a fook".
And you can, for example, and for the legs (or leg):
- Uncle! Let me go, let me go!
- Do not circle me, do not circle me!
- Do not hit me with your head about al-faaaaaaaaaa-ALT !!!

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Pimply

In theory, this is a single picket. Take for what?

For example, for the promotion of homosexuality among minors, in the light of the relevant law.

[shpuntik]

Lieutenant colonel
Pimpled (1) RU Yesterday, 13:24 PM ↑
In theory, this is a single picket. Take for what?

This is an advertisement for sin. Sodom sin, from which Lot hijacked. He who advocates the advertisement of sin destroys the state.

[mnn_13]

I watched the video. 100% provocation that found expected and worthy of an answer.

[Gari]

Quote: Tupolev-95

Pure water provocation, sorry police intervened.

Yes provocation
how are you Tupolev

[svp67]

Quote: Hon

watch the video to the end

Vodka, even sound ideas and actions nullifies ...

[shpuntik]

A good photo review +, and it is necessary to revive the tradition.
Elijah is a prophet, very strict say (but fair :-).
Therefore, on Ilyin’s day it will be more correct, as in the report: with banners, with prayer, sober. And then only - a feast, festivities. You can’t push Elijah or not notice, it will be bad. Well, this applies to the Orthodox, and my opinion as a Christian is not an offense to others.

[Argon]

I do not quite understand what caused the negative of Tupolev-95 and Valery Neonov, obviously this is a reaction to a deleted comment. Personally, I deeply share the opinion of shuntik, especially since the Airborne Forces and the Russian Orthodox Church have closer "cooperation" than, wherever it is, in any case, only the command of the Airborne Forces carried out the "gathering" of priests (paratroopers in reserve) with the landing (i.e., with the development of all skills in the profile).

[Cossack23]

and you don’t respect faith?

[does it]

Quote: Cossack23

and you don’t respect faith?

Because I believe in sane people, I believe in those who make our world a better place. Thanks to them I use all the benefits and "blessings" of our civilization. The article is more religious advertising! despite the fact that we have freedom of religion in the country. And representatives of different religious confessions serve in the Airborne Forces. In my deep conviction, the article should begin: about the people who created, put on their feet the Airborne Forces, trained people before joining the Airborne Forces and the Airborne Forces.

[Nicotine 7]

Moderates with communist stubbornness remove comments that do not coincide with the general line (almost said the CPSU) of the Russian Orthodox Church.

[shpuntik]

qirit (1) SU Today, 13:54 PM ↑
Quote: Argon
the Airborne Forces and the Russian Orthodox Church have closer "cooperation"
Which place? Regards to the Airborne Forces

Shoulder to shoulder and elbow to the elbow!
The algorithm is this. The whole thing is in the Orthodox Tao and Bushido - it is the shortest, but also the most difficult: the fight against passions. Compare the Gospel passage with the war when they were baptized in the trenches, not even among the clergy:
32 They led with him to death and two villains.
33 And when they came to a place called Lobnoye, they crucified him and the villains, one on the right and the other on the left.
34 Jesus said: Father! forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. And they divided his garments, casting lots.
35 And the people stood and looked. But the leaders mocked with them, saying: He saved others; may He save Himself if He is Christ, the chosen one of God.
36 The soldiers also cursed over Him, coming up and offering Him vinegar 37 and saying: If You are the King of Judea, save Yourself.
38 And there was an inscription over him, written in the words of Greek, Roman and Jewish: This is the King of Judea.
39 One of the hanged villains cursed him and said: if you are Christ, save yourself and us.
40 The other, on the contrary, curtailed him and said: or are you not afraid of God, when you yourself are condemned to the same thing? 41 and we are justly condemned, because we have received the worthy according to our deeds, but He has done nothing wrong.
42 And he said to Jesus, Remember me, Lord, when you come to your kingdom!
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, now you will be with me in paradise.
44 And it was about six o’clock in the afternoon, and darkness became over the whole earth until nine o’clock: 45 and the sun was darkened, and the curtain in the temple was torn in the middle.
46 Jesus, exclaiming in a loud voice, said: Father! into thy hands I betray my spirit. And saying this, he gave up his spirit.
47 But the centurion, seeing what was happening, glorified God and said: Verily this man was a righteous man.
48 And all the people who came together at this sight, seeing what was happening, returned, beating himself in the chest.
And if this was a lie, it would have collapsed by itself a long time ago, and would not have been the largest religion in the world. And what is the essence of feeding the flock with clergy? The point is in the sacrament of communion, when the spirit of a person feels a renewal from the action of the Holy Spirit.

How is this seen by atheists? Probably so:

"21 For when the world, by its wisdom, did not know God in the wisdom of God, it was well pleasing to God to save the believers by the foolishness of preaching.
22 For even the Jews demand miracles, and the Greeks seek wisdom;
23 but we preach Christ crucified, for the Jews a temptation, and for the Greeks madness, ... http://azbyka.ru/ivliev/apostol_vozdvizhenie_kresta-all.shtml "

[does it]

Quote: shpuntik

shpuntik

You are probably sitting here on the forum from the ROC?

[shpuntik]

Lieutenant colonel
qirit (1) SU Today, 03:11 PM ↑
You are probably sitting here on the forum from the ROC?

No. Not from the ROC, in the sense of a worker, but an Orthodox layman means part of the church, part of the ROC. Simply, I try to fulfill the commandment of the seventh day (to be in church on Sunday). And I came to the conclusion that all the "movement" on planet Earth (as one of the extreme manifestations is war) is connected with the beliefs of people.

[does it]

shpuntik; For even the Jews demand miracles, and the Greeks seek wisdom;

"Ah, Solon, Solon! You Greeks are forever children,

and there is no elder among the Greeks! "" Why do you say that? "asked Solon." That's all.

“You are young with your mind,” he answered, “for your minds do not retain in themselves any betrayal.”

niya, from time immemorial passing from generation to generation, and no doctrine that turned gray from

time. Here is the reason for this. There have been and will be multiple and

personal cases of death of people, and, moreover, the most terrible ones - because of fire and water, and

others, less significant, due to thousands of other disasters. Hence the

your strange story about Phaeton, the son of Helios, who seems to be once

harnessed his father’s chariot, but couldn’t direct her along his father’s path, but

he burned everything on Earth and died himself, incinerated by lightning
Plato

dialogues

TIME

[does it]

Quote: shpuntik

44 And it was about six o’clock in the afternoon, and darkness became over the whole earth until nine o’clock: 45 and the sun went dark, and the curtain in the temple was torn in the middle. 46 Jesus, exclaiming with a loud voice, said: Father! into thy hands I betray my spirit. And, having said these things, he gave up his spirit. 47 The centurion, seeing what was happening, glorified God and said: Verily this man was righteous. 48 And all the people who came down to this sight, seeing what was happening, returned, beating himself in the chest.

EVERYTHING is correct, a solar eclipse happened. And the people were not familiar with astronomy. Now I understand why some religious activists are trying to ban astronomy, as well as the sale of telescopes. And the scene of the eclipse from the film "Pharaoh" by Jerzy Kavalerowicz comes to mind.

[shpuntik]

AvatarColonel
qirit (1) SU Today, 04:34 PM ↑
EVERYTHING right, a solar eclipse happened.

I do not prove the correctness of Orthodoxy, I simply showed its practical value for the education of a warrior. The dogmas of the church, the interpretation of the holy fathers, faith in one God, give the Orthodox army the strength to perform the feats before which the Japanese kamikaze bow with respect.
For example: Russian-Japanese war. Our prisoners of war were treated very respectfully, and most returned home.

[nerzul]

Huge Nonsense to think that the ancient prophet Elijah of Israel can patronize the state army. Read carefully his biography (reflected in the Old Testament). This man went into direct conflict with the state and did not differ in love for state soldiers (but he burned them alive 50 at a time).
And in our time (in anticipation of the Apocalyptic events) this subject (the prophet and witness of the Christian Revelation) is called to come into conflict with the Russian state and with that global mega-state that will replace all countries of the world (united under the rule of the coming beast).
You can arrange as many prayers as you like to the prophet Elijah. But this personality has cast a curse on the entire Russian state. And as soon as the newly passed prophet gets the opportunity, he will burn exactly the "blue berets" (airborne soldiers) for his own entertainment (especially not the first time for him).
The sodomo-landing action in St. Petersburg was by no means a "provocation" but a primitive staging organized by the authorities (the red-haired gay who came out with a single picket knew in advance that the "good paratroopers" would not kill or injure him, but would stage a showy conflict with the riot police). The authorities can organize as many performances as they want, but Ilya vowed to destroy the city of Petersburg first, and with all the persistence, cruelty and consistency of the ancient Israelite, he will bring this plan to life.
Elijah the Prophet is by no means a "kindly patron of the paratroopers", but a ruthless loner who went on the warpath with world states. In russia, one should expect not "help" from him, but a lot of monstrous natural disasters (in St. Petersburg). And not patronage, but a mass of spontaneously igniting corpses of GeBya's cops and paratroopers.
Hoodo will be the one who takes in the patrons of a prophet, for whom no one has asked permission.

[Kahlan amnell]

How to call it that, being an adult and intelligent, a person believes in mythological characters.
"- Tell me, do you believe in God?
- Of course not. I don't have a primitive fear of the moon or lightning or hail. And therefore I do not need fables to sleep peacefully at night. "

[APASUS]

There were two dozen cameras for one gay.
Who can prove to me that this is not a planned provocation?
Day Airborne Forces. A bunch of cameras. City center. In the morning.
Just a mismatch of one circumstance and the guy is dead.
Now we will begin to carry Western media
PI .... disliked

[Ascetic]

Quote: APASUS

There were two dozen cameras for one gay.
Who can prove to me that this is not a planned provocation?

This was to be expected in connection with recent statements by the State Department on the inclusion of deputies Milonov and Mizulin on the Magnitsky list because of their position on the LGBT community. On the White House website, in the corresponding section, the collection of signatures in support of this appeal is organized. The collection of signatures in favor of the entry ban for lawmakers began on July 26, RBC reports. Elena Mizulina was named in the petition the initiator of the adoption of the law "On the prohibition of gay propaganda among minors" and the ban on the adoption of Russian orphans by American citizens. Her St. Petersburg colleague Vitaly Milonov is represented responsible for the prohibition of propaganda of homosexual relations in the northern capital.
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Therefore, this kind of provocation is just right for inflating in the Western media the image of Russia as a backward and wild country where the rights of civilized gays are infringed.
All the paratroopers again with a holiday! In the popular representation, Ilya the Prophet was a Thunderbolt, a Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt's habitat was considered the sky. Here the paratrooper is the merciless lightning of St. Elijah striking all evil spells unexpectedly and inevitably ... The paratroopers, like the saint himself, punish enemies from the air, landing from planes - symbolic chariots plowing the skies, and open fire - shooting at the enemy.
Ilya the prophet since ancient times the patron saint of Russian soldiers. About Elijah they said:

“You pull tight, shoot accurately, you kill the enemy and adversary, and you burn with fire ...”

They addressed the saint in protective conspiracies and prayers before the battle. On Ilyin’s day, back in ancient times, they glorified the valor of defending soldiers. And in our time, on August 2, on the day of the formidable, severely punishing the enemies of Elijah the Prophet, it may be not an accidental coincidence that they celebrate Airborne Forces Day.
These associations were inspired by this photo story.
The author is definitely a plus

[Hort]

In the popular representation, Ilya the Prophet was a Thunderbolt, a Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt's habitat was considered the sky.

everything is even somewhat simpler: Perunov it used to be a day. One of at least (there are two or three of them in a year)

[Kahlan amnell]

The saint was addressed to the guard conspiracies

Pure paganism.
For completeness, add a list of pagan thunders.

[Argon]

Thanks to the administration of the site, I understood (looked) the reason for the "negative". I cannot disagree with the opinion of APASUS and other commentators about the planned provocation. But to be honest, the actions of the paratroopers caused me a feeling of pride, the actions of the paratroopers, they DIDN'T give up for provocation. did not threaten, let alone beat him, he was offered to talk, the guy apparently (in front of the cameras) asked the "redhead" a few questions, after which the "redhead" began to run away towards the police, which was obviously caused by his "mental health" ( considering the purpose of the action) or banal cowardice (but the situation was far from critical). Airborne Forces veterans did not even have time to express to the "redhead" (and in fact, all liberalism in the Russian Federation) their attitude (which coincides with the opinion of the majority of Russians) to the "problem." But with regard to the riot police, questions about why the paratroopers were detained? In my opinion, "evacuating the" redhead "would have been quite enough. Taking into account the traditional" graters "with police / militia representatives, the paratroopers behaved more than TOLERANT.

[chehywed]

Sergey Vladimirovich, humor will save the world!

[Gomunkul]

But with regard to the riot police, questions about why the paratroopers were detained?

The question is generally to law enforcement agencies, why immediately this pi ... a-provocateur was not detained!

[slav4ikus]

let Pi ... sy love themselves secretly and far from us

[PValery53]

The solemn part looks noble. And if later they slightly harmed harmlessly, then it is completely excusable. Bogatyrs of Russia! Happy Holiday!

[Max otto]

I don’t know about you, but I like the shape of the Afghan sample the most. With the past of all the paratroopers.

[Hleb]

in general, the form is not the main thing, even in the landing, at least in other troops. but personally, these skullcaps are also not to my liking. and before the berets were beaten, sutured, wrung ... but not to such an extent. let it be a drop, but I like the suture one more. well and personal nostalgia for the "oak". the Afghan guy has a jump suit normal-agree

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Photos class .. !!! Russian Orthodox Airborne !!!

[Valery Neonov]

Since I had to work yesterday, I CONGRATULATE ALL WHO WHO SERVED AND SERVICE ON THE AIRCRAFT today!

[Seraph]

Powerfully!
The correct orientation of the airborne forces is especially pleasing: the feast began with the Orthodox service and the procession

[Retx]

Celebrating Airborne Forces Day, three Russian tourists accidentally broke up a protest in Egypt (c) With the past, guys!

[vladsolo56]

Everything is fine, only with what side did the ROC stick to it. All the exploits of the Marines were without the influence of the church. Oh already minus stuck, and that I have not written the truth? refute)))

[Egoza]

Quote: vladsolo56

All is nothing, only with what side here the Russian Orthodox Church cleaved

Ilyin’s day coincided with another holiday, completely secular - Day of the Airborne Forces. The Biblical prophet in the Slavic folk tradition turned into the lord of thunder and heavenly fire, which destroys all evil spirits ...

[Kahlan amnell]

The Biblical prophet in the Slavic folk tradition turned into the lord of thunder and heavenly fire, which destroys all evil spirits ...

Tell the truth - the Church glued the biblical Ilya the prophet to the Slavic god Perun.

[Svobodny]

Quote: vladsolo56

Everything is fine, only with what side did the ROC stick to it. All the exploits of the Marines were without the influence of the church.

You tell them that ...

[vladsolo56]

And here it is, to you that each of them confessed, which is really stupid to write

[vladsolo56]

Some kind of Middle Ages,

[Hleb]

Do not pay attention. This is not the Middle Ages - these are our contemporaries. Take and respond to this comment with this photo is tenacity.
as an argument invoking these guys is the top hypocrisy

[shpuntik]

Gleb RU Yesterday, 16:28 ↑
Do not pay attention. This is not the Middle Ages - these are our contemporaries. Take and respond to this comment with this photo is tenacity.
as an argument invoking these guys is the top hypocrisy

One fancies the Middle Ages, others "stubbornness" :-)
How can one not learn from the exploits of contemporaries? Ask about arch. Alipia, as he came to the monastery, in Soviet times, when the carvings were only on the party line.
http://3rm.info/35257-svyaschenniki-i-monahi-veterany-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voy
ny.html

[Hleb]

How can one not learn from the exploits of contemporaries?

but where and who was against training in feats and praising feats? It needs to be done and an example with the dead guys should be given on this day. But where does the religion come from in a specific comment? Who gave the right to use this photo? Or maybe God would like evil to those days were triumphing, and the guys died? so that the relatives saw new gray hair in their hair every day? did this please God? nah .. poke these photos to where you cannot explain with words ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: shpuntik

Ask about arch. Alipia, how he came to the monastery in Soviet times, when

Ask for a diagnosis ?!

[Zhenya]

So go to Europe, where it’s not been the Middle Ages for a long time, you want to be blue, etc., etc. And we have the Middle Ages, where there is the Orthodox faith, where kids are baptized, where it is forbidden to show their fagot orientation, etc., etc. I do not like Europe to help you.

[vladsolo56]

It is not necessary to publicly display their lack of culture. If you consider only yourself decent, and anyone who does not agree with you dishonorable, you can live in the forest, But I won’t go to Europe, I live at home. What a habit if someone is against the church so immediately blue, dishonestly not knowing the person to classify him as a freak.

[nemec55]

How long have they gone to church to confess and fast?

[Kahlan amnell]

How long have they gone to church to confess and fast?

But why?

[urganov]

You understand what you said?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vladsolo56

Some kind of Middle Ages,

Don't like Russia, go to Europe, there is no longer faith, you will rejoice in "freedom"

[vladsolo56]

Russia is my homeland, and it’s not for you to tell me where and how to live, who gave you the right to dispose of it, I can tell you the same way I don’t like vali. Who told you that Russia is an Orthodox country? if you yourself have decided so, this does not mean at all.

[Zhenya]

She is a millennium Orthodox country, was and will be.

[s1н7т]

Just a millennium? And before it was not there, or what? After all, Orthodox Christianity is not a Russian religion, for that matter. Why are you holding onto everything else?

[Doctor_BW]

I support) What happened before ... Hordes of uneducated Slavs, as the Gundyaev said?

[artemiy]

Do you still remember the peticanthropes or Neanderthals! Russia is a multi-confessional country with 80% Orthodox!

[s1н7т]

Quote: artemiy

Russia is a multi-confessional country with 80% Orthodox!

Pi-pets, a blatant lie! 80% from whom? From believers in another reality! And they, thank God, are a minority in our country, more educated and reasonable so far. I hope that with the departure of the "puddings" the ROC will wither in the dustbin of history.

[Alex 241]

And thank God ....... they surrendered themselves

[Hon]

Quote: artemiy

Russia is a multi-confessional country with 80% Orthodox!

Many of these 80% (75% according to VTsIOM) do not even know how to baptize correctly, and if they go to church, several times a year, as if in a certain service of public services - to bless the Easter cake, take baptismal water ... And some of them even then he does not go, moreover, many may not believe in God, but at the same time they call themselves Orthodox.

[late]

Let it be known to you that Orthodoxy in Russia was closely intertwined with the ancient beliefs of the Slavs. So, Ilya - the prophet was associated with Perun, thunder peals - this is the roar of his cart, my grandmother still says so. It was believed that a rare Ilyin passes without a thunderstorm . Memorial Day of St. John became Ivan Kupala, birch trees are brought to the Trinity church - a symbol of holy purity among all Slavs, and on the shelf in the red corner next to the image of the Virgin Mary were ancient Slavic charms. You decide what you yourself decide, but do not swindle at the sacred, God sees everything.

[s1н7т]

Quote: spat

do not sway at the holy

Holy - family, friends, oath, homeland. Where is the place for primitive religions ?!

[shpuntik]

s1n7t (5) RU Today, 17:21 ↑
Just a millennium? And before it was not there, or what? After all, Orthodox Christianity is not a Russian religion, for that matter. Why are you holding onto everything else?

Not here: YOUR-MY. The sun shines both good and evil. One God, for all. It's just that everyone understands it differently. The truth is one.
And, the Slavs (our ancestors, thank them for everything) had polytheism, to say paganism, which is slightly better than atheism, but not so much as to be written in the Book of Life.

[s1н7т]

Quote: shpuntik

One God, for all

Is this the decision of the Great Synod? Each for himself decides what, in whom to believe, if he needs it. I had no god, except for the commander, and faith, except faith in my soldiers and Luck. Put the rest for yourself ... to hell!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: c1n7

. Why are you holding onto everything else?

This is the faith of your ancestors, who defended their country with this faith. Patriots are a keyboard damn, one of the President of Russia calls Pu, and the name of Obama is completely written, the second Patriarch by name is deliberately called. Not tired yet?

[Hon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

one of the President of Russia calls Pu, and the name of Obama is completely written, the second Patriarch by name is deliberately named.

It’s too long to write Black Barack))) The patriarch, by the way, didn’t disdain his last name when he sued the apartment ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is the faith of your ancestors

"Poke" too, "the faith of the ancestors" instills? And why such stupid confidence? Religion, when it ceases to be a personal matter, always ends with the Inquisition - either the apologists are being burned, or they are. In any case, it's bad. So believe in silence, I'm not against it. But our state is secular, to assert otherwise is to encroach on the Constitution.

[vladsolo56]

It was, but it won’t be as if you didn’t want it

[Ascetic]

Quote: vladsolo56

Who told you that Russia is an Orthodox country?

We must generally forget this commonplace term: a multiconfessional country. Russia is an Orthodox country with national and religious minorities. Because all the statistics that are conducted in our country give a very clear picture of the presence of minorities and an absolute Orthodox majority. By the way, sometimes we timidly say that yes, you know, it may not be necessary to include the “religion” column of the census. And I think that it would be necessary to include. And once and for all put an end to all these speculations about multiconfessionality. If we have 4-5% of Muslims (this is the statistics), then this is not multiconfessionality - this is a minority. If we have less than 1% of people of non-Orthodox Christians, this is a minority. Another conversation is that the minority cannot be discriminated against. The minority should feel as good as the majority. If we want to be a normal society, we should not oppress anyone, but based on the very fact of the presence of a minority in our society, it is impossible to discriminate the majority.

Patriarch Kirill said this in an interview while still a metropolitan. And he's right. All these concepts of the multinational people of Russia in the Constitution, instead of the state-forming Russian and indigenous and small peoples of Russia and multi-confessionalism, are imposed on us from beyond the hill by the "winners" in the Cold War in order to turn Russia into a kind of melting pot of nations and religions, which, in their opinion, will first lead to collapse in the minds and hearts and then to the collapse of Russia as an Orthodox and Russian state-Empire.

[vladsolo56]

Russia kept a calendar until the baptism of 5 thousand years, and now a thousand or so little Orthodoxy, and someone dares to say that Russia has always been Orthodox.

[Doctor_BW]

As one officer from the GRU said to an Orthodox grandmother, "Your country is a thousand years old, and mine is 954. And what are we talking about?"

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vladsolo56

Who told you that Russia is an Orthodox country?

I'm telling you!

Quote: vladsolo56

if you yourself have decided so, this does not mean at all.

Tell you about Brzezinski.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vladsolo56
Who told you that Russia is an Orthodox country?

I'm telling you!

Are you one of those who writes in the sheds, apparently? But there still are firewood!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vladsolo56

Some kind of Middle Ages,

Don't like Russia, go to Europe, there is no longer faith, you will rejoice in "freedom"

A. Romanov, nothing personal, I'm sorry, but if you had told me this on August 2 at the Sovetskaya Army square, you would not have been greeted, honestly!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: c1n7

, but tell me this on August 2 at the Soviet Army Square, you wouldn’t say hello, honestly!

Yes, even now you’re sick of faith, but I’m afraid my health will not be enough. I’m not a Catholic, but an Orthodox and, if necessary, I wipe it so that it doesn’t seem enough.

[vladsolo56]

Yes, and I won’t be surprised who doesn’t have enough brains or waves his fists or tries to spit on his face, and even if I’m not of age, but in return I would have punched you in the face.
In general, everyone is disgusted, believers call for unification, and immediately offend and blaspheme atheists, and moreover they shut their mouths. How and whom they want to unite if almost half of the country are unbelievers and some other rather big part of other faiths. So much aggression in statements that does not correspond with the tenets of religion. In fact, they are making every effort to divide the Russian society, and not to unite.

[vladsolo56]

Once again you’re not cured, the age of 60 says something, but the body didn’t swim, and you pumped it from your childhood on crutches, then with a cane. I can still squeeze out 40 times, more recently on the horizontal bar I was pulled up to 14 times. so be sure if you crashed it would not seem. Although I am not at all a supporter of hitting for any reason. And you don’t need a body to treat your brains

[I am a Russian]

do not poke "cultural" ... I will not invite you to the table.
And to embed you need to get in, and this is in your past and don’t shake the air in vain

[I am a Russian]

what ... came to mess up?

Quote: vladsolo56

age under 60 says something

... yes age says ... you are one of those who, with your "active" work and life position, led the USSR to collapse

[I am a Russian]

...

Quote: vladsolo56

trying to spit

... I would do it ...
a person whose approach to religion, even if in coma, can be considered sacrilege. After all, an article about the elite ... about paratroopers. These are people who are ready to fulfill their duty with honor! The paratrooper going to the temple of God lights a candle for the repose of the dead ... everyone goes with his ... this men and it is their choice.

These are paratroopers! And the paratrooper is a symbol of strength, courage, fortitude and heroism.

you write about the believing paratrooper -

Quote: vladsolo56

Weak will, weak soul, these are the signs by which a believer can be identified.

so who are you after that?

[O_RUS]

Quote: I am a Russian

so who are you after that?

he is the chief accountant ... and he is under 60 - I think this is saying something to you.

And better -

Do not tag the bead in front of the pig

... this user and paratroopers are like Serdyukov Minister of Defense

[Hleb]

but still people thank

[s1н7т]

The old video, probably, because back in the late 80s those who let out jump were forbidden - like, there was no one to release). And music is needed different - under this you can fall asleep. And so - yes, but I stopped by the ramp with my hand in front of my chest, I held my hand like that while I examined it, then I lowered it, the other on the shoulder ... Once I examined it, clapped it, and he did not move! Then he saw that for some reason he hadn’t lowered his hand in front of him. And then I saw - the stabilization halyard comes from the armpit. Corrected the case), and he went. And in another climb they overlooked - the same crap, flew, until it began to wave its hands, the stabilizer jumped out, and everything worked out, but while flying, some GVA nicknames turned gray, I guess.

[Svobodny]

Quote: vladsolo56

And here it is

Moreover, the whole Holy Faith. The guys laid their belly for their friends! For people, for us with you. They simply followed Christ, simply did as He taught, as His disciples taught, as His Church teaches.

Like these ones

Quote: vladsolo56

stupidity

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

No need to flog nonsense in our time there was no clergy and nothing, you want to say that without faith in the priests we were worse ??? Faith is not in churches and belfries, it is inside you .......

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: NOBODY BUT US

b in our time there was no clericalism

The Bolsheviks exterminated them, that was not

[German]

what d ... minus set? Gold words!

[Revolver]

Quote: Svobodny

Moreover, the whole Holy Faith. The guys laid their belly for their friends! For people, for us with you. They simply followed Christ, simply did as He taught, as His disciples taught, as His Church teaches.

But those who went into battle for motherland for Stalin I put above. If only because they did not count on retribution either in this world or in the afterlife. There were no such heroes before, and are unlikely to be after.
Well, minusers, where are you?

[Hleb]

The guys laid their belly for their friends!

for their friends, and not for "their own friends"

They just followed Christ, just did what He taught

they did not want to die, they were killed! parents! from childhood they were taught to defend the country, the code of airborne courage taught them to protect people and perish for them! but they didn’t read it in the Bible. Which students? whom did he teach? where to follow? can you follow today?

[Kahlan amnell]

as His Church teaches

"... all the bbo, if you are still right to watch over, observe and do: for the purpose of them, do not create: they say bo, and do not do ..."
(... so all that they tell you to observe, observe and do; do not act on their deeds, for they speak and do not ...)
Matthew 23: 3

[domokl]

Quote: vladsolo56

And here it is, to you that each of them confessed, which is really stupid to write

You know Vladimir, I’m just one of those who wore the Orthodox cross for a long time. I don’t already wear the Beret, but I still wear the same small silver cross.
Maybe this is the Middle Ages, but we are very superstitious people - you can’t shave before the jump, all kinds of black cats, pregnant women and others. And visiting the temple after the operations was the same tradition. We only went to the place where the prayers are now held, but to a small temple on the territory of the Dynamo factory. To the temple where the graves of Oslyaby and Peresvet are located. And the priests of this temple (far from rich and majestic) were and remain our friends and, to some extent, the healers of our souls ...

[vladsolo56]

Weak will, weak soul, these are the signs by which a believer can be identified. Superstition is all the more frivolous.

[svp67]

Quote: vladsolo56

Weak will, weak soul, these are the signs by which a believer can be identified. Superstition is all the more frivolous.

Stupidity - true believers perform great feats. A man must believe in something. And for me it’s better to have such a crucifixion than emptying a bottle of vodka, breaking it on your own or someone else’s head and diving into the fountain ...

[vladsolo56]

Believe yes, believe in justice and honesty, believe in friends and parents, I can understand it

[alicante11]

And if both?

[urganov]

It may not be serious, but the nerves are calming, like any belief in ritualism and signs, which is essentially the same thing.

[domokl]

Quote: vladsolo56

Weak will, weak soul, these are the signs by which a believer can be identified. Superstition is all the more frivolous.

Then you can record most of the paratroopers in the weak-willed and weak-hearted ... And at the same time superstitious.
Only now, where are you going to get orders and military medals from these guys?

[vladsolo56]

Physical strength is not strength of mind, if a person is not able to morally support himself, then what kind of strength of mind can be discussed. There is still the strength of the collective; the one who can be a hero in the collective will not always be such alone. I do not want to say that this rule is one hundred percent, but in most cases it is. I had friends who passed hot spots. So according to their stories, during the battle, everything but anger leaves somewhere. I have no reason not to believe them.

[urganov]

With all due respect to you, let me ask, are superstitions and Orthodoxy synonymous?

Quote: domokl

but we are very superstitious people - you can’t shave before the jump, all kinds of black cats, pregnant women and others. And visiting the temple after operations was the same tradition.

[domokl]

Quote: urganov

let me ask, superstition and Orthodoxy are synonyms

So I don’t teach Russian ... I write only what I know ... I don’t want to get involved in the discussion about how I need and how I am

[s1н7т]

Quote: domokl

we are very superstitious people - you can’t shave before the jump, all kinds of black cats, pregnant women and other

You are so modest about yourself - We are! And we - soldiers / officers of the 80s - 90s - wanted to sneeze for signs, crosses, and so on. husk, and what - worse from this jump, went to operations? Chukhnya, however! Religion is everyone's PERSONAL business, intimate. Intimate invagination is vulgarity, in my opinion. And the army and the region are not compatible at all. Those who "believed" after Chechnya cannot be cited as an example.

[domokl]

Quote: c1n7

And we - soldiers / officers of 80's - 90's - wanted to sneeze at signs

And we are also officers of 80's ... And we didn’t sneeze ... So we served in different armies, or at least in different climatic zones ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: domokl

in different climatic zones ...

Once an officer came to me from a "different climatic zone" (separate arm. Company) - he was no different from us in "superstition". And from my graduation, only two "got sick", as far as I know from personal communication, after Chechnya, although many served also to the south. One of them came back from Ethiopia that year, right now they put an iron knee, with crosses not seen, not superstitious. So don't generalize, please! The army should have one religion - an order, for the rest, let the political officers be returned.

[Hon]

Quote: Svobodny

You tell them that ...

And by what right do you speak for them? Served with them? Were there when they died?

[domokl]

Quote: Hon

And by what right do you speak for them? Served with them? Were there when they died?

I don’t know how free, but I have such a right. I didn’t serve with these fighters, but I sent my friends home enough.
You know how in the song “And where do you find a saint to go to the landing. There are really few saints among us, but never one was an atheist. Faith helps to survive and win. Not only the Orthodox, but faith in general. Muslims fought no worse than us.

[urganov]

Rather, it’s not even faith in the religious sense, but faith in one’s rightness, in the rightness of one’s business, attitude, but in fact in firmness of spirit.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Hon

Were there when they died?

Probably prayed

[Zhenya]

Since you live in a country in which the Russian Orthodox Church has always (except during Soviet times) sent soldiers to war.

[does it]

Quote: Marrying

Since you live in a country in which the Russian Orthodox Church has always (except during Soviet times) sent soldiers to war.

Politicians are sent to war.

[Zhenya]

Good! I will fix escorted to war.

[Corsair]

Quote: Marrying

Good! I will correct, escorted to war.

And in the difficult years of struggle with parabotals, BLESSED Russian army.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Corsair

And in the difficult years of the struggle with the parabotors, I BLESSED the Russian army

Ahrinitelnoe participation! Zampolites brought more benefits

[O_RUS]

it's you ... how sideways stuck your koment here?

on ka ... reason

"A new tradition that has developed over the past five years - the joint celebration of Ilyin's Day by the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Airborne Forces - is aimed at" reviving our spiritual and moral dignity, "Priest Andrei Rechitsky said in an interview with Blagovest-info. Abbot of the Church of St. Prophet Elijah on Ilyinka, which, being the home church of the Airborne Forces, over the years has become the church center of celebrations. St. Prophet Elijah is revered in the Airborne Forces as the patron saint of this kind of troops. "
Based on materials from the Religious Information Agency Blagovest-Info
http://www.blagovest-info.ru/

[urganov]

This speaks of the "attachment" of the ROC.

[O_RUS]

Quote: urganov

This speaks of the "attachment" of the ROC.

Your koment speaks of yours .... And the paratroopers themselves will decide whether to believe them in gods ... whether to wear a cross ... whether to go to the temple of God.

[urganov]

O_RUS (2) Yesterday, 22:44 PM ↑
"They will decide for themselves whether to believe them in the gods ... whether to wear a cross ... whether to go to the temple of God."

Absolutely agree. Faith, religion and the Russian Orthodox Church are three different things.

[Corsair]

Former paratrooper Airborne

Former paratroopers do not happen, like all the rest of the defenders of the fatherland
Happy holiday!

[Egoza]

Quote: Corsair

Former paratroopers DO NOT HAPPEN

+++++ !!!!!
And here's another little confirmation - funny, in honor of the holiday ...
This is from the story of a friend of mine who visited the Dominican Republic (on vacation)

"But this car is designed to transport tourists on excursions such as safari.
I didn’t understand right away, then I took a closer look ... There you have it - Airborne Adventure !!! In the Dominican Republic, yours! With a blue beret and in a vest.
It turned out that the owner of the shop is a graduate of the Ryazan Higher Airborne School. V.F. Margelova. No more, no less, and although the theme of "safari" is no side to the landing, the man stubbornly - I want the Airborne Forces. The impression on the Russian tourist is amazing.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: vladsolo56

Everything is fine, only with what side did the ROC stick to it. All the exploits of the Marines were without the influence of the church.

You are wrong .. All the grandmothers were and they prayed for their grandchildren .. always.! (We kind of laughed at them ..) but at a difficult moment they felt .. their support .. (grandmother’s mother grandmother .. they prayed quietly at night for my sons grandchildren and great-grandchildren) ... Thank you all to them !!

[Kahlan amnell]

quietly at night they prayed for their sons, grandchildren and great-grandchildren

Here IT worthy of respect, not a pompous booth.

[Apollo]

Dear visitors of the VO forum.
This topic discusses the topic "Ilyin's Day" Airborne Forces (photo report) and not the topic of sexual minorities. For this reason, the video posted by the visitor on the conflict of paratroopers with the police over a representative of sexual minorities was deleted by me. The reason, due to deviation from the topic. Please keep to the above topic. I hope for understanding.

[Corsair]

Quote: Apollon

Dear visitors of the VO forum.
This topic discusses the theme "Ilyin Day" of the Airborne Forces (photo report) and not the topic of sexual minorities.

And rightly so, there is nothing to pour water on the mill of gay propaganda ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Corsair

Quote: Apollon

Dear visitors of the VO forum.
This topic discusses the theme "Ilyin Day" of the Airborne Forces (photo report) and not the topic of sexual minorities.

And rightly so, there is nothing to pour water on the mill of gay propaganda ...

They climb into our souls .. (spit on monitors .. from anger ..) This is normal .. The most important thing is that the majority understands all this .. !! be vigilant .. Liberasts do not sleep and hunt for our souls .. (wrote a little pompous and yet just analysis and observation ..)

[Bort radist]

Good report, sincere.

[Asan Ata]

Why such a shameful parade? The feeling of absolute cheapness. (((((

[Hleb]

at least this parade is similar to the Soviet psh. but some have a "desert storm"
there are others

[maestro123]

I always felt sympathy for the Airborne Forces, serving them is very difficult, but prestigious!

[s1н7т]

Quote: maestro123

Airborne, serving them is very difficult, but prestigious!

No, serving is just hard. And prestigious - this is later, after the demobilization, for a glass of tea

[6216390]

The church and the landing are the closest to God.

[Alex 241]

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[Alex 241]

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[Alex 241]

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[Hleb]

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[Anat1974]

The trenches were, are and will be. What to do if we have such a gut. The main thing is that these are the right trenches. And atheists are probably still atheists, because they were not in these very trenches.

[domokl]

Quote: Anat1974

. The main thing is that these are the right trenches

There are no correct trenches. If you don’t dig, the time will always come and the position must be changed ... Otherwise, they will be killed either by bullets or grenade launchers ...
It is necessary to have such an army so that the enemy does not even have thoughts to drive us back into the trenches.

[Hon]

In the trenches, people feel fear, therefore they pray, and it does not matter to whom or what, even to God even a sack of manure. Warriors prayed before the advent of Christianity, and what does this prove the existence of gods and idols? Even in antiquity, conspiracies from death in battle, and charms, which the church considers heresy and worship of Satan, were popular. There is such a person, Grobova, so he convinced the unfortunate mothers that he would resurrect their dead children and began to pray for him too ...

[domokl]

Quote: Hon

In the trenches, people feel fear, therefore they pray, and it does not matter to whom or what, even to God even a sack of manure.

Not quite right. You talk about infantry. And about an infantry attack variant. When only God or 1 knows who you’ll survive or die only by standing up. The bullets do not fly like a cinematic. The machine gunners drop them in white. And then you got out.
The landing has a slightly different profile. You are still a target in the air. And then you are already a fighter.
But after the fight, it was really impossible to light a cigarette ... Hands shook so much that you burn your lighter and eyebrows and nose, and the cigarette gets wet and does not light from saliva ...

[Anat1974]

I agree completely. About 10 days ago, the three soldiers who died in 1941 were buried. I will not describe this whole story, I can only say that neither died in July 1941 near Kiev. And one of the soldiers born in 1913 search engines found a cross in their pocket. Apparently afraid to wear on his chest (there was such a time).
I myself only thought about God in the war. And I really believe that there are no atheists in the trenches.

[Doctor_BW]

Personally, I know such :) True, not in the trenches, but in the mountains with a backpack and akmn)

[Prosto vovochka]

Happy holiday guys! All, regardless of who professes what religion!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Prosto Vovochka

no matter who professes what religion!

The paratroopers (even the Airborne Forces, even the DShB of the Marine Corps, even the Special Forces) have one religion - "The task above all," we were taught that way. The rest - later, at home.

[Erland]

With day!
To fear of enemies and envy of enemies!

[Sewer]

Great demator!

[waisson]

everything would be fine, but in the photo the fighters are shameful or their shameful shape is so disgraceful for me to go out like that ..... oh. where is our camouflage of oak and psh

[Garrin]

Quote: waisson

everything would be fine, but in the photo the fighters are shameful or their shameful shape is so disgraceful for me to go out like that ..... oh. where is our camouflage of oak and psh

I agree, the form is dumb. Is that the one from Yudashkin?

[Hleb]

dumb? so this tunic is most similar to Soviet psh.

[roninas]

As some kind of prisoners ... The form was the beginning of the 90s, when the SA was no longer there, but the RF still.

[Lyria]

And what does the Russian Orthodox Church have to do with it? We seem to have a secular state. And the Tatars, and the Bashkirs (Muslims), and Kalmyks, and Buryats (Buddhists) also serve in the airborne forces.

[Zhenya]

Yes, despite the fact that BASIC faith in the Orthodox state and serve there basically русскиеand not Tatars, Bashkirs and Buryats. Why do most have to cave in?

[Lyria]

Well, yes, if priests on the day of the Navy banned mermaids and Neptune, and soon fairy tales will be banned. It is obvious.

[nevopros]

But for clarity: the word Russian National the shade did not stick - for Homeland on this earth perished Russian (this, damn it, adj., and not n.), but for the Russian Motherland more expensive than life.

It's time to revise the "national orientation". There are things more serious than "national" self-awareness, aren't there?

[Zhenya]

Unfortunately, now many are trying to convince and make ALL Russians, understand? An expat from Asia who bought a residence permit is also considered Russianexcuse me, but I didn’t give a damn about this word and I’m proud that Russian, not a Russian!

[nevopros]

This is not so simple: working with people from Tajikistan, I noticed that a decent part is turning white before our eyes (they are taking on the positive and not very features of the Russian-speaking World), and for some 10 years are not enough to assimilate (there are a minority of them). The way out seems to me more obvious - to accept young people from Wed to study at regional universities on a competitive basis. Of Asia. I noticed a difference in mentality: there is a friend who is studying at the dentist in Irkutsk, his father is a migrant worker, the difference in understanding of the world is enormous.

[domokl]

Quote: Lyria

And what does the Russian Orthodox Church have to do with it? We seem to have a secular state. And the Tatars, and the Bashkirs (Muslims), and Kalmyks, and Buryats (Buddhists) also serve in the airborne forces.

I will allow myself to remind you of an episode from the Shtrafbat movie that I don’t like ... Before the battle, or rather before death, Muslim soldiers ask the Orthodox priest to take them in. And he does it.
When a foreign mullah told me a long time ago, not only do you not know Karan, but also the Bible ... And Jesus is also a saint in Karan .. Only his name is Issa, in the eastern manner.
Ilya is the prophet lord of thunder and lightning, lord of what is in heaven. And the landing also begins in the sky ... Look at the flag panel ...

[Lyria]

Don't write nonsense. The film "Penal Battalion" is not a documentary, but a fiction, especially since it is fashionable now to throw mud at everything Soviet.

[s1н7т]

Quote: domokl

.A landing also begins in the sky ...

Landing in the sky - 2-3 minutes, this is the apotheosis of a long and painstaking work on earth, however))) So the "saints" are completely out of place.

[Wild boar]

Well done guys! Glory to Russia!

[waisson]

SLONARY FORM IS NOT BY SIZE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT WHO YOU ARE BY NATIONALITY BUT THIS APPEARANCE WILL DISPLACE THE AIRCRAFT

[chehywed]

Yes, they look like mummers. The parades were not "adjusted". And without BERETS !!!

[dvvv]

Ilya’s day confuses me ... Airborne Forces - fine .. but if Muslims serve in the Airborne Forces or, God forbid, of course the Jews? Why bring religion to the troops? with one ...

[Corsair]

Quote: dvvv

Ilya’s day confuses me ... Airborne Forces - fine .. but if Muslims serve in the Airborne Forces or, God forbid, of course the Jews? Why bring religion to the troops? with one ...

When by PRESENT"will press", the Orthodox will come to the rabbi, the Muslim to the priest ... The Lord is one, and we are all his children, and all before BAT are equal.

[Stalinets]

Personally, I have to the fact that bummers climb into the soul of a soldier, sharply negative. I have nothing against the celebration of the day, of some Elijah. But do not mix the Host and the clergy. Their goals are opposite. I can’t stand the hooters .... Yes, they even invented mobile, landing chapels .... In general, I can’t rest. A landing brothel would be better. Turning your cheeks and loving your enemies is not for warriors. Not that philosophy ... Not for Rex Airborne ...

[late]

Actually, you don't need to talk about what you don't understand. The Orthodox Catechesis directly says that a warrior who protects the weak must be strong and his cause is sacred precisely because he does not stand for himself - for his mother, for his wife, for his children. Have you heard about St. George the Victorious? It's not a matter of turning the cheek to a soldier - good should be with fists. The expression "turn the other cheek" has a generally figurative meaning, which is expressed in Christian humility in the face of circumstances that you cannot influence.

[shpuntik]

Asan Ata KZ Today, 23:21 AM New
Here, in the States, all native children are circumcised according to Jewish custom.

Interestingly, for the first time I hear about general circumcision in the Sha. Where does infa come from? Reliable link ?

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Bullshit, most likely propaganda ....

[Stalinets]

True, 50%. Ask mothers ......

[Argon]

Yes, there was such a thing, before 1995. Moreover, this is not as unrelated to religion. It is part of the national medical policy. They believed that in this way the risk of infections in boys was reduced. Moreover, the procedure was a prerequisite for the continuation of the insurance (medical). This circumstance caused many discontent, especially among the "Russian" public. I don’t know how the matter ended, but before 95g there was a mandatory circumcision.

[Zhenya]

Asan Ata If the priest blesses me before the battle (as an example), I have nothing against it and no one gets into any soul. And the fact that the Orthodox Church was part of the army (until 1917) FACT and the fact that everything is back to square one, I personally FOR!

[Stalinets]

Good shit to smack. Khazar Kaganate, Svyatoslav tore apart, without Christianity. Russia, a secular state. Read the constitution. Believe, even in the fat, but in the army, take the trouble not to drag religion from the Middle East. Better take the trouble to find your own, Slavic. She is closer to us by blood! Another question is what is more of RELIGION, benefit or harm. But there should be faith in oneself, in friendship, in a parachute, in an AK. "If death looks at a friend, turn its eyes to yourself." This is the Airborne Forces !!! And let the cheeks be substituted in other places. Like other places on the body ...

[late]

You have in every commentary about "cheeks." In such cases, they say - heard the ringing, but does not know where it is. Do not touch faith, it heals the souls of people, leads some from the brink of death.

[Kahlan amnell]

You have in every commentary about "cheeks." In such cases, they say - heard the ringing, but does not know where it is. Do not touch faith, it heals the souls of people, leads some from the brink of death.

Excuse me, Alex. Need to clarify whether you are talking about faith or about religion?

[late]

I am talking about faith in God, a single all-encompassing spirit that unites all things, I believe in Christ the Savior, I believe in the Holy Virgin Mary, the apostles and Russian saints and I believe in their protection over all Orthodox Christians. Someone will call this faith a religion, not the essence important.

[Kahlan amnell]

If religious faith helps you live right, good. But there are other people who do not need religious crutches in order to live properly and be worthy people. Or do you a priori refuse them this?

[Revolver]

Quote: Asan Ata

Here, in the States, all native children are circumcised according to Jewish custom.

Have you given birth in the States? I think no. Therefore, you either carry complete nonsense from ignorance, or you intentionally lie, which is even worse. Like any fat minus.
At the hospital, they ask parents if they want to circumcise the boy, and let them sign for the choice. The vast majority makes it purely for hygienic reasons. And religious Jews just do not circumcise in the hospital, because according to the laws of Judaism it is supposed to do on the 8th day, and usually they are discharged from the hospital on the 2nd-3rd, if there are no complications.
Yes, you wrote "all children" without thinking or intentionally? Because in America only boys are circumcised, and girls are circumcised only in Islamic countries, and at an older age.

[Asan Ata]

For hygienic reasons? Why weren’t you circumcised then at birth? There was an idea in America to remove the appendix at birth, but no. America-the police state, if they offer it, is difficult to refuse, especially since there is a risk of losing insurance. Naturally, I meant the boys.

[Revolver]

Quote: Asan Ata

America-the police state, if they offer it, is difficult to refuse, especially since there is a risk of losing insurance.

Do you even think what you are writing? I wrote in plain text that, in particular, the Jews do not circumcise in the hospital. Do you have any idea how and how much insurance companies would sue if they began to deprive Jews of coverage for following the laws of the faith? There are more lawyers in America than in the rest of the world, judging someone for money is almost a national sport, but here fat insurance companies are stupidly sued - and this is a chance for lawyers to make millions of dollars almost as easily as picking them off the ground. Once again, I advise - do not write about what you do not know, otherwise it turns out sheer nonsense. You and I are in an unequal position - I am writing based on facts that I myself have witnessed, and you - on unverified rumors and speculation. I am not going to write about the order in Kazakhstan, although I could, based on the film "Borat". It would have turned out about the same.

Quote: Asan Ata

Why weren’t you circumcised then at birth?

Do you fool around or what? Those born in America, even my children, do not speak Russian to such an extent. Unfortunately.

[Asan Ata]

Isa Moiseevich, pegestan googling, you are not in the synagogue.

[German]

Uv.Asan Ata! And why do you think many military men go to the priesthood (priests, in your opinion)? (I wanted to write "former" - but thought better of it in time. "There is such a profession to defend the Motherland ..." x / f "Officers" ))

[chehywed]

From the article, some kind of ... priestly bias blows. And more: a veteran of the Airborne Forces ... Which? With dentures? He's definitely not a sapper or a builder?

[chehywed]

Hmm. -12. I am glad that the overwhelming majority on the site are sane and thinking people. But none of the "minusers-tihushnikov" did not explain to me by what criteria to determine the VETERAN of the Airborne Forces in the photo. I would like to receive a balanced, well-reasoned answer.

[faraon]

Of course, you can’t say that it’s bad and the fighter doesn’t need too much, it seems to me that this is a voluntary business.
All this should be at the level of the regiment and no less, in the end they were political leaders, they became psychologists, and why it is impossible to put the church in the regiment. One does not interfere with the other.
But to attract a division to the procession is, in my opinion, too much

[Stalinets]

Let the believer not interfere! The army and the church are diametrically opposed. Only if they read the Torah !!! An eye for an eye ! This is true !!!!

[svp67]

Quote: faraon

.who wants to let him believe, well, who wants to let him not interfere.

This is not for the RUSSIAN army. With us "FOR FAITH" is in the first place.

[Zhenya]

For FAITH, KING and FATHERLAND, understand? That says it all.

[alicante11]

With these words, the First World War was completely dried out. But with the words "FOR THE HOMELAND FOR STALIN" - they took revenge from which the Germans still cannot recover.

[d1m1drol]

for "dried out" minus. In the First World War, they also threw lula on the Germans. for which they received a revolution from the allies.

[alicante11]

They always beat for the truth :).
Perhaps you can name specific operations in which the Germans were "piled high"?

[Bort radist]

Quote: faraon

to attract a division to the procession is, in my opinion, a bust

In war, as in war.

[German]

And how, in my opinion, "from the cellar" (from the Ukraine) is not at all too much ... The prestige of the Armed Forces must be raised now by any means! "Russia has only two allies, the Army and the Navy," someone from Aleksandrov said. whether the second, whether the third, is not important! But the GDP has learned it well! .. Unlike our "independent and Svidomo" prezikov ... Oh! I beg your pardon! Presidents!

[alicante11]

Yes, of course, it is necessary to raise prestige, but not with church bells and whistles.

[Ivanovich47]

Warrior paratroopers venerate their saint Ilya, the patron saint of heaven. Wonderful photo story. The Airborne Forces proved that they are the most combat-ready combat unit of the Russian Armed Forces. And these guys know how to relax. [b] PRAISE GLORY!

[Hleb]

the most combat-ready combat unit

don't get excited. it belittles the merits of others

[roninas]

Yeah ... You can blame it, but the fighting qualities of the airborne troops are too overstated. In essence, who are they? Infantry, and not all of them even made jumps. tale-You say this to the airborne troops. I will answer 30 times like that, and not at all, I’m alive and well. In general, how can a modern parachuting with the development of anti-aircraft defense consider mass parachuting behind enemy lines? People who understand military affairs will say nothing. kind of troops advertising service in the army, yes. But for me, the same marines proved to be much better in Chechnya, but they don’t go into fountains, and they don’t beat ordinary soldiers of military service because they are not airborne troops

[tilovaykrisa]

That is why there is always 1 pig in a decent society? Why leave this verbal vyser here, there are profile topics.

[vkrav]

And it seemed to me that the saying "The closer to the church - the further from the Lord God" was not invented yesterday ... Yes, and Suvorov's "Trust in God, but don't do it yourself!" was also not born from scratch.
In the case of the army, there can be only one "religious procession" - a tank breakthrough to the Atlantic. In this particular case, landing somewhere closer to the White House - which one - you choose yourself. Everything else is cheap window dressing and so on. "brotherly love".

[Kostya pedestrian]

[/ Center

It’s interesting, but did Abramovich respect me for the holidays, or did the British Sasovians still rule the ball in Russia, having figured out the tidbits of the Jesus Hill (USSR)?

Happy holiday with more enlightenment and prosperity!

[niki233]

Quote: Constantine

Quote: Nevsky

Nevertheless, on the day of the holiday of the Airborne Forces, the provocateurs tried to spoil it. I will never believe that the red-headed gay himself decided to go out and tease the landing. There was media support, and certainly medical guarantees. Sympathetic office plankton, made from a gay hero. They say he has iron eggs, he was not afraid of the Airborne Forces, and the paratroopers attacked him alone:

Paratroopers, by the way, behaved quite dignified. Otherwise, the police would have nothing to save.

sheer provocation a bunch of respondents and bus bus with riot police.

[Mikado]

this should be the paratrooper of the second of August at the fountain

[s1н7т]

Class !!! But, in my opinion, this is the 1st and 3rd, and the 2nd - with a glass in hand - at least for those who are not with us

[Kostya pedestrian]

[Center[/ Center]

Here sit and read, but why did you get pulled into the maelstrom of life, would you retire to Athos - there nobody bothers you either, and you don’t target.

These docents will win markets for the Patriots, and bathe in penthouse in San Francisco with splashes of champagne and chicks, but you probably still learn to love your homeland in England.

I personally rely on Science and the power of Knowledge, the foundation is more marble - than on water from empty to empty

God pikcher zoў

[VadimSt]

The President, with him, always has two arguments - the "Nuclear Suitcase" and the Commander-in-Chief's reserve - "Airborne Forces"!

[I am a Russian]

Quote: VadimSt

The President, with him, always has two arguments - the "Nuclear Suitcase" and the Commander-in-Chief's reserve - "Airborne Forces"!

**** You would be the president of Ukraine !!!

[s1н7т]

The report commissioned by the Russian Orthodox Church is written, it seems On August 2, he celebrated in his own circle, but among all who were in the square. The authorities offered priests with all their personal belongings, but the bulk came to pl. The Soviet Army - there was no one superfluous, only the police were hanging out, but calmly and benevolently, not coming close to the groups of those who noted. And it was so good - the atmosphere of brotherhood, unity and complete understanding! A friend came from Moscow (DShB, SpN), went everywhere, admitted that it’s best here, even the fenced Black Tulip did not spoil the atmosphere. In Moscow, he says, usually not like that, there is no feeling of unity — the report convinced me of this. With the past, colleagues!

[Lyria]

I agree with you. It seems that this is not the Military Review site, but the site of the Russian Orthodox Church. I, too, with might and main minus those paid from our church, and the rest stupidly agree.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lyria

. Me, too, minus the paid for from our church, and the rest bluntly agree.

And what is your plus point? For the fact that you sit in faith spit.

Quote: Lyria

I agree with you. It seems that this is not the Military Review site, but the site of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Do not like going to another site in European, there from the faith, as scalded run away.

[alicante11]

Alexander, why can those who believe in spit in atheism?
After all, no one forbids believers to pray, observe fasting, walk in processions, arrange a beautiful life for priests, etc. But why force others to do this, those who do not want to "believe" or those who "believe" in other gods? After all, not everyone in the Airborne Forces, these are 100% Orthodox, so why impose on them this neighborhood of an Orthodox holiday and the day of the Airborne Forces?
If the church wants it so much, then let them create their own military formations of the Cossack type, where only Orthodox believers will serve exclusively. I think then for the country this will be a big plus.

[Lyria]

Have you read at least one of my comments? Where did you find spitting on the faith?

[Zhenya]

LyriaYou blaspheme my faith and I owe you something to kiss? Look, in Sweden in some cities it’s already forbidden to celebrate Christmas, tolerance? In the coffin, I saw her!

[alicante11]

Yes, no one here reproaches Orthodoxy. They just want the right-wingers to respect atheists and representatives of other religions.

[Lyria]

And you go through my comments and see where I wrote at least one dirty word about the Orthodox and the Church. The only thing is that soon all fairy tales will be banned, since mermaids are already banned. Our state is secular according to its constitution, and multi-confessional in composition. Gundyaev is not a god or a prophet, but one of the functionaries from the church, or rather, religion. He is gay himself (GRU Colonel Kvachkov said about him -pi @ ar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3YnLOL-MCM) and this is what the Metropolitan says: “We do not condemn a person for his deviations ... It is a matter of everyone's conscience to condemn a person for his personal choice. Who, if not the Church, speaks most of all about the inadmissibility of condemnation? "

[DmitryDmitry]

Real paratroopers !!! It's expensive to see !!! And not those who stagger drunk, but pester passers-by ...

[Strelok20883]

Happy holiday! My name is Ilya, my birthday is August 2, but I'm a border guard. GLORY TO RUSSIA.

[darksoul]

Congratulations to all the paratroopers on the holiday ...... today there was a big scenario paintball game ... the events of 2000 were recreated when the Pskov assault defended the heights from the superior enemy forces. The conditions of the terrain were recreated very naturally: mountainous woodland, majahideen detachments marched along mountain slopes and in avrags. It was necessary for the reconnaissance group to carry out reconnaissance of the terrain and, when engaging in battle with superior enemy forces, retreat to a height for defense, when we were for the majadheads we took the height, when we were almost for the paratroopers, but such ugly fire from all sides just .... you just understand that well done guys, and it’s not for nothing that they eat their bread ..... on the occasion of you, guys ... for the glory of the airborne forces, for the glory of Russia

[Zomanus]

Honestly, the article has a double feeling. On the one hand, yes, a holiday, all things. But on the other, why the hell is the priest's crap to drag in? More like dancing at a performance by the Crusaders. Everyone comes to faith on his own and this is a purely intimate affair. Nehru, I think, to flaunt it, such as a cross on top of clothes.

[komsomolets]

No offense, just in the photo some kind of dead fighters resemble schoolboys who are toxic addicts. They will pull them off for a year, and then bad Caucasians will cut them.

[Hort]

Hmm...there is an interesting version that Elijah the Prophet is Perun in the pre-Christian version. In principle, analogies can be traced.

[yan]

Glory to the Airborne Forces! And an army without spirituality, unfortunately, is just armed people.

[alicante11]

Comrades and gentlemen, who are downvoted here for anti-Orthodox statements. I'm not even talking about the fact that according to the Constitution, Russia is a secular state. We remember the Constitution only when it is beneficial. I will not talk about the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church has become the second bureaucratic structure in Russia - i.e. structure of parasites, true believers and true devotees of faith have nothing to do with this.
Just understand, we are all atheists and Orthodox and Muslims and Buddhists, we are all Russian. Not Russians, no, we are Russians, ask any Amer or Naglichan or rodent or Spratlander. And you understand that when you brush everyone under the same Orthodox brush, you alienate from yourself all those who do not belong to Orthodoxy. And, therefore, you are grist for the mill of those who want to tear the Russian people into separate peoples based on “black”, “yellow”, “Orthodox”, “Muslim”. Tear it apart and then destroy it. We must remain one people. And for this we must respect each other’s characteristics. National and religious and any others. And not to allow our characteristics to harm anyone around us.

[Zhenya]

There are OF COURSE correct things in your words, but after our “Russians” from the Northern Caucasus come and spit on customs, spit on the language, piss on the eternal fires, behave like savages (not all of course, as I should feel if they all of the same religion, of course I get the disgusting impression that everyone WILL respect what is accepted here, then they will begin to be respected.

[alicante11]

Well, there are two points here. If we talk about Caucasians, then firstly. I said that EVERYONE should respect each other's differences. And whoever does not respect must answer for it. But let's not focus on Caucasians. If a priest comes to my son’s class and starts telling him about “the faith of the Tsar and the Fatherland,” then how will this priest be better than a Caucasian? He came incl. and to my son, whom I am raising in such a way as not to create for him a predisposition towards religiosity or atheism. So that he can choose for himself when he grows up. And this priest will begin to incline him to the preset about the need for religiosity, i.e. will fit into my monastery with his charter no worse than some Chechen who brings his mountain concepts to the Moscow region.
Secondly, for Chechens to respect our laws, we must respect their customs. BUT... only on the territory of Chechnya. If you want to live according to the “laws of the mountains,” then live in the mountains; there is no point in going down to the plain and imposing your mountain laws here. At the same time, in order not to lose contact with small nations, they must be integrated into the life of the state. Those. should do what is close to them. For example, if we talk about the same Chechens or Caucasians in general, then they must show their combat prowess in military service in national military units. Why serve not for a year and a half, but for 15-20 years, like the Cossacks did in their time, since they don’t know how to do anything else. Then they will feel like they are part of a big country, that they are useful and respected. But they will also feel the strength.

[Seventh]

Strange feeling after reading the comments. I’m probably more of an atheist, and that’s more because of the insane luxury of our priests (how many hungry people can be fed from the sale of the Patriarch’s Breguet, or a child can have an operation from the sale of a Merc). The Church simply should not impose religion and boast of luxury, even if it is a gift. In the past cadets, there was a funny incident when the command decided to first consecrate our weapons, and in the process unexpectedly baptize the entire battalion, the guys of a different faith in the platoon obviously refused, but the stern cry of the platoon commander, with a promise to punish those who disagreed in the outfits, converted them in our faith. Ugly, but monotonous.
There was no time to pray during the battle, and after the battle too, our hands were shaking and we couldn’t look each other in the eyes.
Who goes to church and who goes to the fountain is a personal matter.

[Kahlan amnell]

Alexey Mavrichev, aka spat.
Again, your answer is based on feelings, not reason. And again you appeal to the subjective. Are you claiming that my conclusions are wrong? Give at least two pieces of evidence! Logical, not “...I feel this way...”.
But nevertheless, you ignored my questions.
Adding me to the blacklist, because of which I cannot answer you in a personal message and am forced to use a public platform, only means that you have nothing to object to on the merits of the issue. Do you want to remain in illusions? Your right. It's sad that waking up will be painful.