World War II, the teachings of the Americans, in color

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[Nayhas]

Those still freaks, tanks of course ...

[Cat]

Quote: Nayhas

Those still freaks, tanks of course ...

Compared to what? If with a T-34 or KV, then yes.
Even if not to talk about the M4, then the "Lee" until 1942 were quite combat-ready machines. At least in North Africa, the British called them "Egypt's last hope."

[Apostle]

Paphos amers, even 70 years ago rolls over ..

[Pimply]

The funny thing is that if there were exactly the same photos of Soviet fighters - and they are, you would not have carried such nonsense.

[Feanor]

Quote: Pimply

The funny thing is that if there were exactly the same photos of Soviet fighters - and they are, you would not have carried such nonsense.

They can, the Soviet fighters in comparison with the American did much more to win the war.

[Pimply]

In Europe, yes. But the war was not only there, do not forget. And the fact that it took place on the territory of the USSR with heavy losses is to a large extent the failure of the Soviet command and politics at the initial stage of hostilities.
Yes, the Americans paid much less blood, and fought not on their territory. Do you know what I will tell you? We would prefer that too. Because of all this, is it worth scribbling and showing your own xenophobia? These people, unlike you, fought in that war. So give them your share of respect - they deserve it.

[viruskvartirus]

They deserve, for example, the importance of lend-lease deliveries is difficult to overestimate. Actions in Africa, war at sea, aerial bombardments, all this tipped the scales. But nevertheless, more than 90% of the losses of the Germans, this is the eastern front, and, for example, the allies conducted only one operation to encircle the Ruhr Cauldron. Something like this ... and the failures of the Soviet command and there was not only "Bagration" but also "Rzhevskaya meat grinder".
I am killed under Rzhev,
In an unnamed swamp,
In the fifth company, on the left,
With a cruel raid.
I did not hear the rupture,
I did not see that flash, -
Accurately into the abyss off a cliff -
And neither the bottom nor the tires.
...
In the summer, in the forty-second,
I'm buried without a grave.

[Pimply]

Quote: viruskvartirus

no less than 90% of Germans’ losses, this is the eastern front,

Undoubtedly. And no one belittles that memory. On the contrary. However, it jarms me when people who have not stuck off the keyboard in life, are illiterate and have not snuffed gunpowder, try to pour dirt in a pseudo-patriotic impulse where this is not necessary.

Well, and if you recall, there was a war on the islands, for example, where the main losses the Japanese (and we are talking only about soldiers, about 2 million) suffered from the Americans. So also not sugar. It was just that the USSR paid the heaviest, bloody tribute for that war.

[Fofan]

Quote: Pimply

Bravo. Recall? Hitler created a loss in World War I.

you are clearly a troll. Hitler was not created in 33, but in 1938, when they turned away from Czechoslovakia, then fed Poland, and in France they could not do anything.

[Pimply]

Quote: Fofan

you are clearly a troll.

But this is a transition to personality.
You do not know that the First World War ended in 1918?

[Firstvanguard]

But this is a transition to personality.

And about illiteracy and inseparability from the keyboard - is this not a transition to personality?
We are unfamiliar, about my or any other forum member, literacy, life experience and occupation you do not know anything.

Those still freaks, tanks of course ...

Saying about freaks related to technology. I completely agree - the freaks BM-6 in one word. And you transferred to the military, trolling on the face

[Pimply]

Quote: Firstvanguard

And about illiteracy and inseparability from the keyboard - is this not a transition to personality?
We are unfamiliar, about my or any other forum member, literacy, life experience and occupation you do not know anything.

You were taught to get into someone else's conversation without asking, is it possible, and even not understanding the situation?
And I can judge about illiteracy quite well if the opponent is illiterate.

[viruskvartirus]

) I am reminded of pre-war films with "flying tanks", what can I say, propaganda. I recently watched a German training film about anti-tank weapons, and there is enough propaganda there.

[Pimply]

Quote: viruskvartirus

I recently watched a German educational film about anti-tank weapons, well, there is enough propaganda there.

Yes, there is a whole movie filmed. The Germans had a very good propaganda machine.

As, incidentally, and the Americans. That there is only filmed literally in the wake of the events of "Thirty seconds over Tokyo", about the Doolittle raid on Tokyo.

[3 inches.]

especially where it’s necessary to climb on the T34 with a canister of gasoline. I looked and thought, well, Nichrome, the chances came if the tanks stopped like that.

[svp67]

Quote: Apostle

Paphos amers, even 70 years ago rolls over ..

If we recall that at the same time my grandmothers were starving - giving the last bread to the front, and grandfathers fought ...

[vyatom]

Quote: svp67

If we recall that at the same time my grandmothers were starving - giving the last bread to the front, and grandfathers fought ...

If the mustachioed comrade hadn’t done everything ... in the 41st, having slapped the reconnaissance reports and bleeding the command of the Red Army, then this would not have happened.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

creative photos, perhaps I will sign:

1) the most democratic tanks of "free people"
2) instead of a gunner, they sent us another mechvod, so we are fighting as best we can!
3) cruel fate, from childhood we fly in a dream and dream of heaven ...
4) just tankers, photo +
5) on the photo the swastika is not enough ....
6) look Johnny, now Bill will shoot and you will see how the shell flies ....
7) a bright pensive evening look stupidly to the side, self-illumination of a loved one from below from a flashlight is used ..
8) a fact with him, which can happen, but they took a picture from the bottom half !!!!!!!
9) the swastika is asked again, and the officer at the back fits exactly .....
10) mechvod: "fak, again a photographer .... I wonder if I don't notice one and crush me a little, they will send me home ???"
11) my tank is not afraid of this puddle at all!

[Crang]

Yeah - still look for this. Especially vivid dissonance is obtained when compared with our tanks of that period.

[Cat]

Quote: Krang

Yeah - still look for this. Especially vivid dissonance is obtained when compared with our tanks of that period.

Well, "Shermans" in a couple of photos still soften this dissonance a little.

[Igor77]

Some patsaki on the gravitsap)))

[bazilio]

Photos in color is good. For me, only one thing is not clear - in 2 photos, part of the crew is posing with revolvers. As far as I remember, even before the start of the war, the M1911 Colt was a regular pistol. Or revolvers handed out shortages for training?

[Rusik.S]

what are their spiritual faces

[avt]

Quote: Rusik.S

what are their spiritual faces

Well, not only did we have GLAVPUR. But in general, beautiful photos , it is clearly visible - the guys did not smell gunpowder and what German panzervagens are, they did not even see in a dream. In Africa, the Germans removed glamor from their faces for the first time, but in the Ardennes they generally showed that there was a war and, as a matter of fact, they fought on the Eastern Front for four years.

[Sanyl]

By what signs is it clear that they did not smell gunpowder? Enlighten the ignoramus, please. Maybe it was these guys who had already fought with the Japanese, or is this part still in training after the fighting in Africa?

[Cat]

Quote: avt

Well, not only did we have GLAVPUR.

So these photos are clearly staged. Especially the fifth. The same in the "Red Star" - the sea.

[JonnyT]

"Zippo lighters" look very awkward!
from all the photos it blows bravado! Hollywood is direct. The faces of the soldiers are serene and cheerful - they were not immediately clear in battles!

[avt]

Quote: Sanyl

Maybe these guys have already fought with the Japanese,

Or maybe enlighten what specific parts of the armored forces the amers transferred from the Pacific Ocean? I've never heard of this. That's when they transferred from the European to the Quiet Theater - yes, flyers for example. That's how their future test-Everest, started in Africa, finished in the Pacific, though in captivity, but underwent retraining in the States before being sent to the Pacific. And their troops also fought in Europe, and the Marines in the Pacific, but if you know, share specific facts about specific parts. Just do not need about the fact that they are likely to translate individual fighters into newly formed units.

[mazepa]

And what is meant by the photograph in color? What were they BW, and they were made in color?

[avt]

Quote: mazepa

And what is meant by the photograph in color? What were they BW, and they were made in color?

No, the Germans already had color printing, too, even documentaries of that time have color ones that are not painted today.

[Pimply]

This is a photo of the Ministry of Information (archive of the Library of Congress) from 1942 to 1944. About 1600 pieces were made of color.

[Standard Oil]

On the Eastern Front, there were men reading about the western front, you don't know how bravely the American troops "fought" the Germans. And they could not cope with the disabled and children that they managed to scrape together in the Third Reich. So these brave devoured faces this in the photo, in a real battle, they just immediately demanded a squadron of "Flying Fortresses" for help. And if God forbid, the American army met the "Tiger", this is practically the end of the offensive. It is clear that for Wittmann or Carius all the work was in the East, in the West, it was a pleasant vacation for them, and if you consider that the Americans scurrying threw all their property and there was nothing to devour.

[Pimply]

Quote: Standard Oil

So these gallant otozhenny faces are in the photo, in a real battle, they just immediately demanded a squadron of "Flying Fortresses" for help. And if God forbid, the American army met "Tiger", this is practically the end of the offensive.

Tell me, what kind of nonsense are you singing now?

[Standard Oil]

What nonsense? Read the Germans' recollections of the war in the West and East and compare impressions, do not want the Germans read Eisenhower and Bradley, yes even Churchill. Yes, and you don’t know the course of the war? I would like to hear some argument that refutes cowardice and complete incompetence For six months the Allies pushed through several German divisions in France, unable to liberate Italy, who were dumbfounded by the Germans in the Ardennes, and dodged so that the Germans couldn’t catch them, and then their languid creep across Germany at 45.

[avt]

Quote: Standard Oil

Read the Germans' memories of the war in the West and East and compare impressions, do not want the Germans read Eisenhower and Bradley, but at least Churchill. Yes, and what do you not know the course of the war?

Good memoirs were left by Daniil Kraminov, "The truth about the second front" he went as a "journalist" with the allies from Normandy, and before that he was in Africa.

[bazilio]

Quote: Standard Oil

On the Eastern Front, there were men, you read about the Western Front, you don't know how bravely the American troops "fought" the Germans. And they could not cope with the disabled and children that they managed to scrape together in the Third Reich.

I don’t have much love for the United States, and it annoys me when someone claims that it was the United States that made a decisive contribution to the defeat of fascism, but let's be honest, the United States somehow contributed to the victory in WWII. For starters, remember lendlize. Yes, he was on a reimbursable basis, but imagine what would happen to the Red Army without Lendliz weapons and materials?
The United States pulled the Japanese back. The USA and England pulled over the African corps and then parts of the Wehrmacht in Italy. Regarding the fighting on the western front, remember at least Operation Overlord and especially the D-Day in the Omaha Beach sector. Remember the battles at Baston.

[Standard Oil]

And what would have happened without lend-lease materials? The Japanese did not climb into the USSR after the defeat in Mongolia, because there it became clear their huge lag behind the Red Army in land weapons, but the Japanese had a good fleet, but it could not be smuggled into Mongolia, but against the USA and Great Britain Yes, and the Japanese were offended by the Germans after 39 years. The African corps 2 infantry and a tank division, which could drive the British through the desert, but not the Red Army, in Italy the same story as in Africa, only there the allies hollowed out the "Gothic line" "unsuccessfully by the way. Well, the Overlords have already got it, for they have not influenced the situation in the East in any way. we got, not an ally, but at least a tuft of wool from the black sheep.

[kavkaz8888]

Zdravo.And now let's remember who even arranged a meat grinder named "World War II"? Who created Hitler as opposed to Stalin who became independent? The Anglo-Saxons first pumped the dough to the Germans, and then "helped" the Rus. Thanks a lot to them.

[Pimply]

Bravo. Recall? Hitler created a loss in World War I.

[w pott]

Maybe Germany would have lost without Lend-Lease, but the losses of the USSR would have been a few more millions more. Reducing the contribution of the Allies to the victory is evidence of notoriety and xenophobia.

[ed65b]

Quote: bazilio

Regarding the fighting on the western front, remember at least Operation Overlord and especially the D-Day in the Omaha Beach sector. Remember the battles at Baston.

The first meeting of an ordinary Wehrmacht Heinrich Metelmann with the Americans.

Our military guard noticed a convoy of Americans moving along the highway towards Schifferstadt. We all rushed to the embankment and immediately saw a long column, like a snake smeared in mud, moving along a very narrow road, lined with tall trees on both sides. Heavy tanks followed in the head of the column, picking up dust, followed by light tanks, then armored personnel carriers, jeeps, trucks, and tractors dragging all kinds of artillery cannons. The picture presented to our eyes didn’t look like a military one, these Yankees seemed to have gathered for a picnic. What an amazing army! on either side, an infantry marched along the road, trying to keep up with the tanks. And this gypsy camp was steadily approaching

[Pimply]

About the vindication

delivered materials (cars, various military equipment, weapons, raw materials, other items) destroyed, lost and used during the war are not subject to payment (Article 5); [3]
property transferred under Lend-Lease property remaining after the end of the war and suitable for civilian purposes will be paid in full or in part on the basis of long-term loans provided by the United States (mainly interest-free loans);
if the American side is interested, undamaged and unused machinery and equipment should be returned after the war in the USA

Quote: bazilio

The United States pulled the Japanese back. The USA and England pulled over the African corps and then parts of the Wehrmacht in Italy. Regarding the fighting on the western front, remember at least Operation Overlord and especially the D-Day in the Omaha Beach sector. Remember the battles at Baston.

[Draz]

To begin with, Lend-Lease in the USSR has a negligible% in comparison with its own production, that Lend-Lease products supplied to Britain were almost 4 times more than in the USSR, and lastly,

Allied supplies were very unevenly distributed over the years of the war. In 1941 — 1942 contingent liabilities were not constantly fulfilled; the situation normalized only from the second half of the 1943 year. Of the promised by England 800 aircraft and 1000 tanks, which the USSR was supposed to receive in October-December 1941, 669 aircraft and 487 tanks were received. From October 1941 to 30 on June 1942, the United States sent 545 planes, 783 tanks to the USSR, 3 more than once less than promised, and 16502 trucks, that is, 5 more than once less than planned.

Those. summing up, at the most CRITICAL moment, in the 1941 year, Lend-Lease deliveries were disrupted by the Allies themselves.

[il grand casino]

Quote: Standard Oil

On the Eastern Front, there were men reading about the western front, you don't know how bravely the American troops "fought" the Germans. And they could not cope with the disabled and children that they managed to scrape together in the Third Reich. So these brave devoured faces this in the photo, in a real battle, they just immediately demanded a squadron of "Flying Fortresses" for help. And if God forbid, the American army met the "Tiger", this is practically the end of the offensive. It is clear that for Wittmann or Carius all the work was in the East, in the West, it was a pleasant vacation for them, and if you consider that the Americans scurrying threw all their property and there was nothing to devour.

Tell me, did you know many German soldiers who fought on the western front? Personally, I mean. I talked with some. Somehow, none of them rant about the fact that there was a rest in the west. There were those who said that yes, it was sometimes morally easier than in the east. But how well one of them put it - the grandfather of a good friend of a German: “It was hard in Russia ... Morally it was very difficult, especially in winter and when there was mud (for the Germans, a terrible word). At such times I sometimes wanted to shoot myself. I fought in the west. already on the border with Germany. There was a goal, we knew what we were fighting for ... not there. And they were dying all around the same. " When I asked about who was "cooler", he said that it was more difficult to fight the Russians, but the Americans gave them the best they could. He spoke in no way only about the Poles and the French.
P.S. I heard such conversations from three German veterans. So this is not necessarily true in the last resort. But something none of them said that it was easy to fight with amers or Britons

[Standard Oil]

Alas, those people that I knew personally on the western front did not fight, and indeed they did not like to talk about the war, and during the war they were about 18-20 years old, what picture could they make up? I judge the military capabilities of Americans exclusively by stories of memoirists, both German and allied. Tell me why the Germans lie, that it’s easy to fight with the Allies, what’s the point? Usually they say the opposite. Yes, and look at the whole course of the war in France, when several German divisions are fighting the whole US army and Great Britain? And nothing, before Faleza in general, no success.

[il grand casino]

And who says that the Germans are lying here. I did not claim that it was harder there. I just gave an example of the memory of ordinary soldiers

[viruskvartirus]

Interesting ... how did you manage to communicate with them? I don’t know how German veterans are, but ours are already hard to find. It would be interesting to talk with the Germans.

[il grand casino]

In Germany. There life expectancy is higher. Yes, and it was 10 years ago

[w pott]

Maybe that's why America won the war with minimal losses.

[Kerch]

"The faces of the soldiers are serene and cheerful - it is immediately clear that they have not been in battle!"

And our soldiers of that time were gloomy such, not smiling in the photo?

[ed65b]

Quote: Kerch

"The faces of the soldiers are serene and cheerful - it is immediately clear that they have not been in battle!"

And our soldiers of that time were gloomy such, not smiling in the photo?

Well, not everyone frowned, a lot of smiling faces in old photos. They knew that their photographers entered into eternity.

[soldier's grandson]

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Quote: Kerch

"The faces of the soldiers are serene and cheerful - it is immediately clear that they have not been in battle!"

And our soldiers of that time were gloomy such, not smiling in the photo?

the war was on our doorstep, they never had it

[Pimply]

It is worth noting that these are exercises based on Fort Knox.

[ed65b]

In the fourth photograph in the middle, the mechan is 100%, his whole face is dust and dirt. In general, the war is a difficult and terrible job, the workaholic guys are the same as ours, from the machine and the earth. Why they rolled a barrel on them, they fought as they could and died too, and far from their homeland in a war incomprehensible to them. Memory and honor to all those who fell for the liberation of the world from the brown plague. Bow and respect alive.

[Pimply]

This is exactly what we are talking about. In general, in the library of Congress (on their website) there is a drop dead selection of color photos of that time.

[Geokingxnumx]

they also fought. although they did not go through Stalingrad, but they fought and died!
and that help received by the USSR saved many Lives! The USSR would have played that War without America, but the losses would have been very great!
Respect for all the rebels who fought against Fascism and fought for Freedom!

[igordok]

At least not this.

[soldier's grandson]

Is it they who defend the toilet? Yes heroes

[pilot8878]

After reading all the comments I want to say:
1. Hitler as a person did 1 MV.
2. Hitler as a SUCCESSFUL politician made: England, France, USA.
3. Lend-Lease deliveries cannot be understated: in conditions of loss of production 1941-42gg. supplies of raw materials and implements were very, very necessary (tank aircraft are much more secondary).
4. Regarding the "cooler ours" - YES, OUR COOLER! And much - even psychologically more comfortable Western Front - is better than the dirty, dangerous, terrible Eastern Front, where PARTIZANEN, where incomprehensible Russians, who are fighting without observing the rules of civilized European wars, where, after all, there are all damn commissars and Jews!
And now I’m waiting for a stream of spittle and stones from you

[igordok]

1. Hitler as a person did 1 MV. 1 MV did (i.e., quarreled Germany and Russia) England and France
2. Hitler as a SUCCESSFUL politician made: England, France, USA. A politician made from abroad cannot be successful.
3. Lend-Lease deliveries cannot be understated: in conditions of loss of production 1941-42gg. supplies of raw materials and implements were very, very necessary (tank aircraft are much more secondary). Raw materials and machines are not a land lease. We paid for them. Raw materials and machine tools without people, production facilities, etc. - nothing. Therefore, raw materials and machine tools are secondary. Primary - people who will do what is needed from this.
4. Regarding the "cooler ours" - YES, OUR COOLER! And much - even psychologically more comfortable Western Front - is better than the dirty, dangerous, terrible Eastern Front, where PARTIZANEN, where incomprehensible Russians, who are fighting without observing the rules of civilized European wars, where, after all, there are all damn commissars and Jews! I completely agree here.
And now I’m waiting for a stream of spittle and stones from you Do not wait. Here on the forum there are civilized people and they do not stoop to spitting.

[Proud.]

Quote: pilot8878

Lend-Lease deliveries cannot be underestimated: in the conditions of loss of production 1941-42. supplies of raw materials and implements were very, very necessary

The share of deliveries under Lend-Lease, for 1941, amounted to 1% (did you expect that everything will end by the end of 1941?) In 1942, the share of deliveries amounted to 27,6% (deliveries increased, but without fanaticism, and the Allies took care to supply the opposite Lend-Lease ((chrome ore, manganese, gold, platinum, wood)), besides this, the program included free repair of American ships in Russian ports). I in no way underestimate the importance of Lend-Lease, a decisive influence on the outcome of the war, on the Eastern Front, he did not render, but saved many lives.

[bubble82009]

advertised and we took it on Lendliz

[ed65b]

Here is one of our

[ed65b]

handsome young

[ed65b]

Well, these are the winners.

[vip.da78]

The second front was at 44, as an option, they looked at whom, and therefore where to land in Normandy or in Murmansk and Kamchatka !!! IMHO

[Sirs]

The Hollywood production probably was ???

[carbofo]

Ours is better.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: carbofo

Ours is better ............

the former is still a race, but the latter is priceless.

[carbofo]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

but the latter is priceless.

She identifies our victory.

And so celebrated

A little bit about the parade in September 1945 in Berlin.
Allies :)

OUR!

For those who love quality
http://pro-tank.ru/blog/1102-victory-parade-in-berlin-september-7-1945