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Hard life of a Russian official. How to deal with "gray" salaries

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The Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation resolutely rises to fight gray salaries and, attention! - with a shortage of officials. First, about the officials.


The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin just recently said that it was necessary to make the public service in the regions of the country attractive. It turns out that today this very civil service cannot literally drive people with a whip, since the salaries of officials in this cluster are very low. Right and said: "very low." Here is a direct quote:

If you look at the salaries of civil servants, according to statistics, you will see that they differ from average salaries in the industrial sector. If we take the salaries of territorial bodies, including the controlling territorial bodies, it is very low, very.


Mr. Topilin, in addition to his concern for the low wages of Russian officials, spoke about other bureaucratic life (because life is stagnation, according to the ideas of Maxim Topilin, you can’t call it, you understand). So the Minister of Labor said that today, officials are generally in a losing situation. Not only were they banned from doing business, they also made their incomes declare ...

According to the logic of the minister, it was precisely this that undermined the desire of the Russians to be built into friendly bureaucratic ranks ... And really, this is what happens! - a servant of the people is oppressed all day long, he cares for the welfare of the average fellow citizen, he is not forced to do business, again he is forced to declare income, and here he also gets pennies ... But such work doesn’t work for anyone ...

What, after all, was the Minister of Labor Topilin, who identified an important state problem! Before his remarks, you and I still expressed some kind of skepticism about the effectiveness of the work of officials of various ranks, and now neither the hand nor the tongue will rise to expose the official. After all, he is literally humpbacking for pennies - well, what, you understand, the demand from him? What are the budget deficiencies, the main thing is that there are no arrears in the bureaucratic offices - that's what's the matter!

Now it’s worth to move somewhat away from Maxim Anatolyevich’s experiences and find out how much our officials (of different levels) get for their work. Maybe Topilin is right? ..

So, if you take the wages of the lowest paid official in Russia - a specialist of the second category of various regional departments, then it amounts to 19400 rubles. These officials are all sorts of clerical assessors who create the very, simply speaking, bureaucratic capacity of any industry. On the one hand, 19400 rubles is really not a fantastic amount. But on the other hand: how much more to pay, excuse me, to the bureaucratic plankton, from the very national (civil) pocket, if the citizen himself is the first to suffer from the bureaucratic barriers being built. Far from every doctor of the district clinic receives such a sum according to the results of their monthly work and not every teacher, librarian, kindergarten teacher, worker. Why does the official’s salary worry Maxim Anatolevich more than the salary, for example, of the same librarian? ..

But we touched upon exclusively the wages of the lowest bureaucratic level. And if you look a little higher? The average salary in the Russian ministries (taking into account the entire bureaucratic staff) steadily keeps at a level above 75 thousand rubles. In the office of the Government and the Presidential Administration, the average salary goes beyond 160 thousand rubles.

Taking into account the whole range of official salaries in Russia, Rosstat publishes information on the average salary of an official in the country. According to Rosstat, this salary is about 60 thousand rubles. If we take into account that the same Rosstat determines the average salary in Russia in the amount of slightly more than 29 thousand rubles, it turns out that the work of the average official in the Russian Federation is valued at least twice as high as the work of the average Russian not from the bureaucratic environment.

So where does Maxim Topilin saw a “low, very low salary,” and what gives him a reason to announce that there is a short supply in the posts of regional officials? If this nedokomplekt really manifests itself, then why did not one of the large services 8 (the author of the article monitored eight services) devoted to the provision of vacancies in different regions of the country, did not reveal civil servant vacancies, unless civil servants consider the traffic police call center one of the major cities of the Volga region ... Perhaps the author has studied an insufficiently large number of resources for job seekers or other jobs, and it is possible that information about the vacancies of civil servants is published on some secret oyyny "platforms that are not available to us. Not that we, you know, blood ...

In general, the torment of the minister in this vein looks, at least, strange ...

Now let us touch upon the question of how the very Minister of Labor, Maxim Topilin, is going to bring to light “gray” salaries.

Gray salaries of Russians Government for a long time. The first real outlines of this concern in the new composition of the Cabinet of Ministers were described by Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets, who, we recall, announced: 38 million Russians do not know where and what they do. 38 of millions of people whose incomes are a big secret for state structures is a lot ... Then, however, Mrs. Golodets decided to recount and recounted. According to the logic of its new calculations, it turned out that 18 of millions of Russians from the above-mentioned number are still determined. Among them were housewives who receive childcare benefits, students, draftees, certain categories of people with disabilities. 20, on the other hand, didn’t fall into any of the listed categories, but ate bread and butter ... That’s what caused the Government’s perplexity: they don’t seem to work anywhere, and they’re fed up - it won't work! ..

So that it really did not go, they sent Maxim Topilin into battle. He says that it is necessary to increase the prestige and economic benefits of receiving a “white” salary. As such a benefit, the Ministry of Labor proposes not to issue loans in banks to those who do not pay insurance premiums. In other words, with regard to 20 millions of Russians who did not fall under the microscope of fiscal bodies, it was decided to introduce repression: either pay insurance premiums, or “figvam”, but not a loan ... The first practice of implementing this initiative will show how much this measure will be.

The next initiative of the Ministry of Labor is to increase the minimum length of service for receiving a pension. Now, the Russian citizen, in order to receive an old-age pension, will have to work out a total of 15 years. This, according to the representatives of the Ministry of Labor, motivates Russians to seek and find work, and not to use the opportunities of "gray" employment. True, it does not specify how to be, for example, mothers with many children, because the time for caring for a child for some time is not included in the seniority. This option, for some reason, has not yet been taken into account ... I would like to hope that they will take into account, because any mother with many children a priori brought more benefits to the state than the person who just ordered a phony employment record book with the necessary experience for themselves ...

And the Ministry of Labor is going to prohibit the issuance of wages in cash. Like, the issuance of "cash" stimulates the appearance of payments in envelopes.

In general, the Ministry of Labor has many initiatives and experiences. It remains to wish the Ministry of Labor and Social Security to weigh their initiatives, analyze experiences and start their own work for the benefit of all citizens of Russia, and not their separate group for which Maxim Topilin is so eager.
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  1. Alez
    Alez 23 July 2013 07: 11 New
    20
    You do not save yourself, Yuri Venediktovich! All the people think!
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 July 2013 07: 23 New
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      Poor officials, live on one salary! laughing
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 23 July 2013 07: 26 New
        12
        ... And wealthy officials live on three, but not all of them laughing
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 23 July 2013 08: 51 New
          26
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          .A wealthy officials live on three, but not all their own

          Only these "unfortunate and impoverished" officials are getting richer at the expense of us, dear friends and colleagues.
          Recently one such unfortunate and poor in France has been taken into custody and decided to give it to us or to rip it off ourselves!
          The surname of this fucked thief Kuznetsov Alyosha.
          LESHA K, this is for you, eat - rot it!

          Who should steal in Russia well and what to do ???

          There was such an official, Lesha Kuznetsov.
          Tyril everything that is possible, bred suckers!
          He stole on a grand scale, sparing no strength
          He devoted his entire career to bribes!

          He was once an ace in the Moscow region
          In the position of min-fin, erysipelas like a watermelon.
          Having accumulated loans, built a pool
          On the bloated estimates-track under the bobsleigh!

          It would be sad but funny to tears
          The entire gigantic complex only brought expense.
          What would the treasury grow from the pool
          MOSCOW should swim in it every day!

          With his Zhinka - Zhenechka Bullah
          Managed famously in thieves affairs
          Here are the embezzlers of the "sweet couple"
          Now they have accounts in foreign banks!

          But caught Kuzyu? MOSCOW is waiting for him?
          Oh thanks FRANCE for not letting you down
          But Lech is now naked as a falcon
          He transferred almost all the money to Bullah.

          And she wasn’t a fool in the US
          And somehow got horseradish again
          And they live bathing in luxury
          Eat caviar with champagne short days!

          What kind of power is this? In God your mother !!!
          If billions can be stolen!
          How tired of living with this rot!
          Can we guys change this power ???

          Return_SSSR (2)Good afternoon, dear hi Excuse me for a rude verse, but this trash is the only way.
          1. Alez
            Alez 23 July 2013 08: 56 New
            13
            Time is changing. Now relevant- Stole-drank-over the hill. They’re a victim of politics, and they love and wait for them there, then their money works on a hill against us.
            1. yak69
              yak69 23 July 2013 09: 09 New
              +9
              This is another appointee of Putin. Like Medvedev, Chubais, and Koch, Gref and further down the list. Serious global excesses are possible by autumn, and Putin, in all seriousness, plans to invite the government, in place of the prime minister, Haspadin Kudrin. I’m not blowing a pipe, this is what is planned! To do this, public opinion is sensed-- Putin's press conference, the appearance of Kudrin in the media, etc.
              I'm just curious what Putinoids will say if the appointment of kudrin takes place ?!
              Fans of Putin, make speeches in defense of your idol.
              1. vot-te-raz
                vot-te-raz 23 July 2013 14: 41 New
                +9
                Fans of Putin will say that this is the next brilliant step in the GDP out of 100500 (everything is thought out 100 moves ahead) to bring the country out of its mattress influence and for the “super-break”, because we don’t know everything, only God knows and Vladimir Vladimirovich knows everything.
                But seriously, the admirers of the great GDP already have “brains on their ears” yesterday on the Internet militia website, one such fan argued that Serdyukov was good at first, but then Medvedev became president and ruined the boy))). And Putin had nothing to do with it. request
            2. ed65b
              ed65b 23 July 2013 09: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Alez
              Time is changing. Now relevant- Stole-drank-over the hill. They’re a victim of politics, and they love and wait for them there, then their money works on a hill against us.
              Gentlemen of fortune.
          2. valokordin
            valokordin 23 July 2013 11: 17 New
            +4
            And what verses, just on the wave
            at the table in his uniform, our governor
            He is a Hero of the Union, there is simply no strength
            And where did Kuzyu don’t ask for money?
          3. Papakiko
            Papakiko 23 July 2013 11: 41 New
            +7
            Quote: Arberes
            Excuse me for a rude verse, but this trash is the only way.

            We do not blame, we ourselves can but only exclusively "obscene" in 5 floors.
            I can please everyone with information about the scarcity of life of officials.
            I ask everyone to read the contents of the link:
            http://znak.com/svrdl/articles/22-07-17-54/100981.html


            Life is full of content. hi
            1. strange and pretty meaningless
              strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 12: 03 New
              +3
              wassat it’s nice to know how to release it - ata-tya ... hold on, pranksters
      2. redwolf_13
        redwolf_13 23 July 2013 14: 31 New
        +5
        And you know that there are still lower-level officials and they get really small salaries. Here is an example. My wife has been working in the state structure for 6 years, the post of "Secretary-referent of the 2nd class" salary 16 thousand rubles. Last time salaries were indexed in 2011. Yes, the Upper Circle has everything, but it is not necessary to measure all according to one embezzlement. Stole from the treasury committed a terrible crime akin to TERRORISM.
        1. Kuryanin
          Kuryanin 24 July 2013 03: 15 New
          0
          And I work as a carrier and get 11300, and this is with an allowance for irregular working hours after indexing in 2011, before that it was 8600.
        2. Volodin
          27 July 2013 09: 22 New
          0
          Alexey, since when have our assistant secretary been considered an official? .. The watchman in the administration building or the courier in the regional duma are also officials or something? This is clearly about other gentlemen.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 23 July 2013 10: 20 New
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      Quote: Alez
      All about the people think!

      I was not too lazy, "climbed" into Wikipedia.
      Do you know what interested you? Order of Courage.
      This is what the "people's" encyclopedia says.

      "In 1994-2001 he worked in the Office of the Government of the Russian Federation:
      Specialist-expert, consultant, department of the Department of Labor, Health and Social Welfare;
      In 1996-1997, he was a consultant in a department of the Department of Labor and Health;
      In 1997-1998, he was a consultant, and in 1998-2001, he was the head of the department of social policy and labor of the Department of Social Development.
      In 2001-2004 - Deputy Minister of Labor and Social Development of the Russian Federation.
      In 2004-2008, he was the head of the Federal Service for Labor and Employment (Rostrud).
      In 2005-2008, he was the chief state labor inspector of the Russian Federation.
      Since July 31, 2008 - Deputy Minister of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation.
      Since May 21, 2012 - Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation.
      September 19, 2012 by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation reprimanded.
      Order of Courage (November 17, 2008) - for courage and dedication shown in providing medical assistance to victims of the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict. Since the outbreak of hostilities, Topilin, as Deputy Minister of Health and Social Development, has been in South Ossetia, where I personally controlled social assistance to the victims of the conflict: the supply of medicines, the functioning of hospitals, the employment of refugees, as well as the restoration of destroyed health facilities and the social sphere. "


      I goof, for which they are awarded, with such awards as the Order of Courage ...
      Instead of “crap”, of course, another expression is more suitable.

      I think we have a lot of such "personal controllers."

      And according to the article, so what to expect from him? The officials have a small payroll, and their number should be increased ... wassat
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 23 July 2013 10: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Order of Courage (November 17, 2008) - for courage and dedication shown in providing medical assistance to victims of the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

        Yes, relief work requires courage and can be judged by an order, not like a medal for courage posthumously
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 23 July 2013 12: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: valokordin
          Yes, relief work requires courage and can be judged by an order, not like a medal for courage posthumously

          Quote: Z.A.M.
          I am a fig, for which they are awarded with such awards as the Order of Courage ... Instead of "fig," of course, another expression is more suitable.

          So there is someone to compare the same.

          This is not a gastuk.
          And for any "probably" I have never even "gotten wet" in obscene places.
          For this and got hold of a "medal"
        2. creak
          creak 23 July 2013 14: 30 New
          +1
          Did he bandage the wounded on the battlefield? Rather led those who bandaged. Everything is like Twardowski’s: “Cities are being sold by soldiers, and generals are taking them ...”
      2. egsp
        egsp 23 July 2013 23: 13 New
        0
        my friend in the second Chechen left a lot of health, so it’s understandable why, and this is a “body”, pah bl ..
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 23 July 2013 07: 39 New
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    Maxim Topilin judges the life of Russian officials based on complaints from officials themselves and their superiors. Today, a “civil servant”, of any level, is the most prestigious specialty for young people in the province (especially the poor). Even according to statistics, young people are “crushing” into officials, and the Russian middle class is formed in most of them. In Tambov and the region, for example, + - I know the salaries of almost all levels of officials (federal, regional, municipal. These are not very poor people. The pension for the deputy head of the region was (attention!) 70 tr. The pension for the head of the department - 36 tr Despite the fact that our region has never been in economic leaders and has no mineral resources.
    Chatterbox-Topilina must be sent as a teacher to the school for 12 tr. But then he, most likely, will rush back to the officials - both more satisfying and warmer.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 23 July 2013 08: 08 New
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      I absolutely agree with you. Universities give birth to lawyers and economists who need to be somehow attached, in most cases for money or for money, that bureaucratic and office structures swell. For their production, if only under the threat of execution, and then it is unlikely that they will figure out how to otmazatsya from work. I am interested in when the Minister of Labor was at the factory for the last time, and whether he did at least something in his life with his hands. The Minister of Labor does not care about working people, but about parasites.
      1. 6216390
        6216390 23 July 2013 10: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: sergey32
        Universities give birth to lawyers and economists who need to be somehow attached, in most cases for money or for money, that bureaucratic and office structures swell.

        That's right, there are many "prestigious" specialties that are far from the production of material values, the main purpose of which is to pour them empty into empty, truly one with a bastard seven with a spoon.
    2. PPL
      PPL 23 July 2013 08: 46 New
      13
      When a cry about the salaries of officials begins, then a small salary is given as an argument, but they are modestly silent about the fact that various kinds of bonuses and allowances are still put on the salary, which sometimes at times cover the salary. In addition, do not forget about the duration of the vacation, vacation pay, quarterly and annual payments, incentives for various holidays, etc. (I’m not talking about bribes - not everyone is given, and not everyone is fortunately taken.)
      Now you can understand the complaints of the "gray" official on the need to file a declaration!
  3. Mosen6Ish
    Mosen6Ish 23 July 2013 07: 43 New
    16
    Completely overwhelmed ...

    I compared the paper machine with the hard worker ...
    It would be attached to a blast furnace for a couple of shifts or the lamps should be screwed on the boiler and sent. I think I’ll agree to sit and not buzz for half the salary.
  4. domokl
    domokl 23 July 2013 08: 03 New
    12
    Hmm ... Scary they are far from the people .. The official now in the province is ... Even the smallest clerk can get a great deal.
  5. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 23 July 2013 08: 18 New
    +8
    from the Don.
    The fact that the GDP does not know about: the initiative: the government, I don’t believe it! Probably there is not enough money for all bureaucrats to steal! Where do they get moral freaks in the government? Our people are normal, and these are like: deserters: USs work !!!
    1. sams
      sams 23 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +4
      "The fact that GDP does not know about: initiative: government, I do not believe it!"

      Putin raised the salaries of his administration immediately after returning to the Kremlin. According to his decree, from September 1, 2012, the salaries of officials should correspond to the salaries of military personnel of a similar level - this meant an increase in existing salaries by almost half.
      Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/vlast/235448-generaly-v-seryh-kostyumah-skolko-zar
      abatyvayut-v-kremle-i-belom-dome
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 23 July 2013 12: 17 New
        12
        the head of the Central Bank, Sergei Ignatiev, earned 24,7 million rubles ($ 820) last year + about the same amount of his deputies .....


        The total cash compensation of Mario Draghi in 2012 amounted to € 374 124 ($ 493 700)
        The salary of the head of the Bank of England Mervyn King is fixed at £ 305 ($ 368)
        The head of the Bank of Japan, Masaaki Shirakawa, who will leave his post in March this year, received ¥ 2012 million ($ 23,96) in 257.
        The “poorest” among the leaders of the leading Central Banks of the world has been Ben Bernanke for many years now. The head of the US Federal Reserve in 2012 received "only" $ 199

        The head of the Loukhsky administration receives more than 70 rubles ...
        There are no operating enterprises in the region, except for the post office, the F-Road, Avtodor and the police)))
        a lot of shops do not count that live on pensioners money ....
        The district is a quarter of France, there is gold, forest, deposits of granite, mica, quartz.
        It’s unrealistic to launch anything, that’s why officials are paid money ...
        Happily destroyed Piaozersky timber industry a month harvested 30 thousand m3 of wood, there was a sawmill, dryer, its fleet ...
        In the lower warehouse, cutting lines (working) Gantry cranes (30-50 tons)) in excellent condition are felled and cut into scrap metal ...

        The state approach and bureaucratic salaries personify IT ...
        Eh (((
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 23 July 2013 08: 22 New
    +8
    The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin just the other day said

    The Minister simply honestly voiced what the leadership of the country is implementing in practice!
    1. 6216390
      6216390 23 July 2013 10: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: treskoed
      The Minister simply honestly voiced what the leadership of the country is implementing in practice!

      True, it is preparing the way for raising the standard of living for impoverished officials, bureaucrats and bribe takers.


  7. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 23 July 2013 08: 24 New
    +9
    I’ll say simpler: "Snickering!"
  8. Garrin
    Garrin 23 July 2013 08: 30 New
    11
    So, if we take the wages of the lowest paid official in Russia - a specialist of the second category of various regional departments, then it is 19400 rubles.

    Oh, and Mr. Topilin is cunning. Salaries may be small, but besides salaries there are a lot of additional payments and benefits several times that overlap official salaries.
  9. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 23 July 2013 08: 32 New
    11
    My heart is bleeding at the thought of the plight of a Russian official. After reading the article, I vividly imagined his image: an ascetic in rags, living in a box from under the refrigerator. It feeds exclusively on “doshirak”, gets to work by a hare in public transport.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 23 July 2013 09: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Dr. Evil
      My heart is bleeding at the thought of the plight of a Russian official. After reading the article, I vividly imagined his image: an ascetic in rags, living in a box from under the refrigerator. It feeds exclusively on “doshirak”, gets to work by a hare in public transport.

      In winter, he walks in the skirts, chilly wrapping himself in his grandfather sweatshirt. smokes shag and drinks exclusively cologne chypre.
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 23 July 2013 12: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Dr. Evil
      It feeds exclusively on “doshirak”, gets to work by a hare in public transport.

      If there is no doshiraka, then in the “MAGGI” cubes - into the dry dryer, and if it does not work out with a hare in the tram cabin then on the roof of it! drinks
  10. Leisure
    Leisure 23 July 2013 08: 33 New
    10
    On the count, such a minister. They bred officials like flies, and now feed. A class that does not produce anything is a direct loss to the state. I propose a reduction. (See above)
    1. shurup
      shurup 23 July 2013 09: 10 New
      +2
      I propose introducing piece-rate wages for officials at higher prices in rubles for a word, a printed sheet, like that of writers and poets. This will force officials to chase citizens in order to issue certificates and self-screening of those who have not been sent. The really needed will remain in the offices, steadfastly observing the irregular working hours.
      Lesbumprom will not be affected by electronic document circulation and plagiarism should be monitored, as in scientists.
      No, you still need to fix something in the conservatory!
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 23 July 2013 09: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: shurup
        This will force officials to chase citizens in order to issue certificates

        That is, I’m walking along the street, I’m not bothering anyone, suddenly an official jumps out with crazy eyes and tries to hand me a certificate about something, but I don’t need it for hell. People will be afraid to go near government organizations! laughing
  11. waisson
    waisson 23 July 2013 08: 43 New
    +5
    snickering at stealing millions give a conditional term a hard worker steals a few thousand, they need to sow how in China he stole to the wall there will be order
  12. GHG
    GHG 23 July 2013 08: 49 New
    14
    But does the Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation perform any functions in our country except as a requirement to raise wages to itself apt?
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 23 July 2013 11: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: GES
      But does the Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation perform any functions in our country except as a requirement to raise wages to itself apt?

      For this, it is created. After all, the minister cannot affect the salaries of employees of AO, LLC, and other owners. Only the budget and taxis.
  13. vania
    vania 23 July 2013 08: 53 New
    +6
    Yes, such a job is “not to feed anyone” ... they eat up the last crust of bread in a restaurant, and everyone thinks about the people.
  14. aud13
    aud13 23 July 2013 09: 08 New
    10
    I ran around Yandex, about the number of officials ...

    As Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Sobyanin said earlier, there are 10 civil servants per 172 thousand people in Russia. That is, for every 58 Russians they feed one official. If we recalculate these figures for the size of the country's population, it turns out that now in Russia there are about 2,4 million officials per 140 million people. In the Soviet Union, where they also tried to fight the bureaucracy, the number of officials did not exceed 400 thousand per 300 million of the country's population. That is, over the years of the existence of "free Russia" the number of bureaucrats has grown 6 times.

    The question immediately arises: can it be not in the salaries of officials, but in their number?
    Moreover, the problem can be considered from two sides:
    1. Officials require substantial sums of money for their maintenance, and not only in the form of salaries. Just the majority of the costs may be other expenses (maintenance of the workplace, office space, communication, expenses for deductions on contributions to funds, other expenses)
    2. Each official justifying his existence in one way or another carries out some kind of activity. Moreover, sweat may come from his forehead, but this activity may not only not be necessary, but actually harmful to society.
    1. shurup
      shurup 23 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +5
      Murphy's bureaucrats laws do you know?
      2. Each rodent, fulfilling its purpose, gnaws one way or another, because his teeth are constantly growing.
      The fact that the rodent at the same time exposes the electrical wire, the rodent itself often does not manage to understand too late.
    2. Alez
      Alez 23 July 2013 09: 23 New
      +4
      Example China. They took and reduced ministries by 25%, if my memory is not lying to me.
    3. ATATA
      ATATA 23 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: aud13
      That is, over the years of the existence of "free Russia" the number of bureaucrats has grown 6 times.

      That is the root of the problems of our country. But in the USSR there were no personal computers, and there was state planning and order, i.e. Soviet officials did more in real work.
      I support the proposal to increase the salary of officials by 2 times, but the number of officials should be reduced by 6 times.
      But since they themselves will not agree to a reduction, since in Russia the officials are actually the ruling class, a revolution is needed.
      Voluntarily this brethren will not refuse a free feeder.
      In general, I believe that the apparatus of officials is the main obstacle to the development of Russia and the main threat to the existence of our country, and if they are not put under the knife, they will destroy the country.
  15. knn54
    knn54 23 July 2013 09: 13 New
    +5
    Only as before, "people's servants" live better than the OWNERS ...
  16. aud13
    aud13 23 July 2013 09: 16 New
    +5
    By the way, I recalled here one interview with an Israeli official, the head of a structure similar to RUSNANO, which he sent to a radio journalist at an exhibition in St. Petersburg.
    So, at first he admires how the state treats innovations well and how much money is allocated for this business, and then in the course of the conversation it turns out that we have 300 rather well-paid employees working in RUSNANO, and they have 1,5 XNUMX people. This is him - as a leader and a part-time programmer. And the situation is similar at all levels of government.

    By the way, from the report of the Auditor of the Accounts Chamber (taken from Wikipedia)
    In 2007-2012, Rosnano spent more than 196 billion rubles. Over 5 years, 6 billion rubles were spent on administrative and economic needs, 5,3 billion rubles on staff placement (purchase and repair of a part of the building), 4 billion rubles on consulting and expert services, 560 million rubles on security, and transport on 850 million rubles. 7 billion rubles were spent on labor and social benefits, the joint venture estimated. Labor costs per person from 2007 to 2012 increased from 65 thousand rubles to 593 thousand rubles, or more than 9 times. ... At the time of verification, the presence of any documents confirming the effectiveness of the investments was not established. ... A number of transactions carried out through investments have signs of laundering and legalization of funds, obtaining unjustified tax benefits, understating taxable income, unreasonably receiving VAT refunds from the budget for export-import operations.
    1. sams
      sams 23 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +4
      I am tormented by vague doubts that the Rusnano contained at our expense is one of the main structures of the foreign residency in the vassal state, which Russia is now.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 23 July 2013 15: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: sams
        I am tormented by vague doubts that the Rusnano contained at our expense is one of the main structures of the foreign residency in the vassal state, which Russia is now.

        You were not mistaken - this is a foreign residency, but instead of being fed at the expense of the State Department and getting the status of a foreign agent, it is being fed at the expense of our budget. Congenial. And the president carefully observing, or not noticing at all, continues to allocate billions to this company and does not touch the staff hiring.
    2. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 23 July 2013 15: 00 New
      +7
      There was no theft there (in RUSNANO). There was an inappropriate investment of funds. This is not a crime.
      V.V. Putin.


      How do you like this slogan? You can safely hang an official in any office. Instead of Leninsky "Learning, learning and study again."
  17. AlNick
    AlNick 23 July 2013 09: 19 New
    18
    If Maxim receives 100 thousand, and 9 people 10000 each, then on average they receive 19 thousand.
    If Maxim eats meat for lunch, and 9 people eat empty cabbage, then on average they eat cabbage rolls.
    1. Alez
      Alez 23 July 2013 10: 11 New
      +7
      If Maxim lives in two palaces of 1000 sq.m. each, and 9 people in rooms in dormitories of 10 sq.m. On average, each 210 sq.m., i.e. 3 three-room apartments. There is an improvement in housing conditions. Hooray, comrades!
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 23 July 2013 12: 12 New
        +4
        Why are you joking request This is the main method for improving demographic indicators. If Ravshan and Jamshud had five children each - and three of their racial peers enrolled in LGBT - then on average they have twins. The long-known "average temperature in a hospital."
      2. Inspector
        Inspector 24 July 2013 09: 12 New
        0
        Get fucked up! Where do they give 3 rooms of 210 sq.m.!? Give me two!
  18. marsavin.yu
    marsavin.yu 23 July 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    Maybe he wants to be a worker? But they don’t take him?
  19. Xmypp
    Xmypp 23 July 2013 09: 31 New
    -2
    Ready to get a minus, but the article is gamut.
    1) Zp in most of the civil servants is small, and this is a fact. The wife himself works in the administration and receives 22 tr, and this is in the north.
    2) The plankton of officials increases with the rest of the plankton. With your stupid letters, appeals, etc. they fill up the state. plankton paper. But it’s not fate to open and read where your benefits, rights, etc. are written. As a last resort read on the Internet.
    3) What kind of gray RFP, what kind of nonsense is this. Heads and managers in the civil service receive “kickbacks” for agreeing on various documents, regulations, etc. Starting from land, real estate and ending with tenders for any services. All this works in conjunction with the prosecutor's office, etc. As an example, the cashing out of large amounts in gray banks, which are protected by the police or the FSB. Everyone knows about this in practice. A petty official has never received and will not receive anything, it has always been and always will be.
    1. Begemot
      Begemot 23 July 2013 10: 35 New
      10
      There is nothing to avoid, all officials believe that they are plowing for a penny.
      Come to the bank to work, then you will learn what official spam is. All banks have several branches that only do every day that they process several thousand bureaucratic documents, and any typo can cost several hundred thousand fines. For example: the tax authority did not find the LLC at the place of registration, it requires the bank to do this work (mind you, for free), but from what zuya the bathhouse fell, you need to look here. And this is only a minor episode, the full picture will draw on TSB in 36 volumes. But the bureaucrats themselves are to blame, everything that they undertake turns into insanity, which they themselves can not figure out. To have an idea about this, read the forums on the freshest 134 FZ, have fun. So there is no need to put the word down for the “poor” official, try to earn these 22 thousand in business, even in the north, you will understand the difference between “receive” and “earn”.
      1. Inspector
        Inspector 24 July 2013 09: 18 New
        0
        If it turns into insanity - there is incompetence. Incompetence from a large staff turnover. And do not attribute business here - initially different things.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 23 July 2013 16: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Xmypp
      The wife himself works in the administration and receives 22 tr, and this is in the north.

      Who does she work there, transfers pieces of paper from table to table, and rinses the bones of her colleagues with gossip?
    3. Inspector
      Inspector 24 July 2013 09: 15 New
      0
      Totally agree.
  20. Colonel
    Colonel 23 July 2013 09: 41 New
    -3
    The officials were branded from the heart. Right the third main problem and the sixth column in Russia (at the same time). I’m not going to convince (since the official himself). I bring the "declaration" for April (demolished the name of the office and name) For reference: I, as a representative of plankton, hang trunks, ammunition and special equipment for 10 million rubles. at factory prices. (PM costs 2900 rubles.)
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 23 July 2013 10: 06 New
      +6

      You are a little cunning, judging by the income from the beginning of the year, then your average salary for 4 months is 20000 without taxes, and 17400 with taxes, we do not consider voluntary deductions. And also monthly and quarterly bonuses from 25 to 100% that go on a separate payroll. Well, in the MTO, people didn’t live in poverty.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 23 July 2013 10: 41 New
        +2
        I forgot to wipe laughing
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 23 July 2013 10: 43 New
        0
        Well, the average salary is 20, it could have been higher.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 23 July 2013 10: 55 New
          +1
          Well, he has a line "For payment" is overwritten, and for any amount there will be more.
      3. Colonel
        Colonel 23 July 2013 10: 58 New
        +2
        You drove me straight into the paint, went to the dates to demand. It turned out this is my income from the beginning of the year (salary, assistance in February, was on vacation). There are bonuses, quarterly, one / two salaries (see salary). And income from a position is only 1 cubic meter. spent cartridges, which have nowhere to go. Trading the rest does not allow the conscience and fears of the criminal code. Well, the last, if there was a desire to cheat, I would put any numbers. I have no desire to prove anything to anyone.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 23 July 2013 14: 20 New
          +2
          Well then, it was not necessary to show the calculation with the smallest numbers. At the expense of working to the left, you also have a 100% army pension, do not complain ... You do not live in an area equivalent to the Far North. Even with all their allowances there they get the same, with consumer prices three times more than in the center of Russia!
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 23 July 2013 15: 36 New
            +3
            And where did I complain ??? Just tired of sweeping okhali. I showed my real pay slip. I don’t sit on the porch, but I didn’t work on the car and apartment. That's all.
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 23 July 2013 15: 46 New
              +2
              Then you are a plus for this! For harsh remarks, I deeply apologize! Just a lot of comrades from the army who took root well after civilian life ... Once again with an apology! He himself rose to the company, but did not add up after in his native country after 2001.
    2. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 23 July 2013 10: 37 New
      +2
      With popular anger over stealing officials, I agree to all 102%. But what to do with the rest? Sovereign's work must be done, and done perfectly, for the same people demand it. Legally required. Thus, not covered in angry conversations, the bulk of ordinary clerks are working properly. Now:
      1. About negligence and stupidity. Percentage no more than in other sectors of the economy.
      2. About bribes. This level does not solve anything and they don’t wear bribes there.
      3. Salary. The average specialist with allowances and bonuses, having spread for a year, receives about 20-25 tr. Nekilo when compared with individual categories. But this is a large blast center, and doctors and teachers have also raised their level here (we are talking about ordinary soldiers, and there are no less than dishonest leaders).
      4. Qualification. On a specific example (for the whole planet is not responsible). From the consultant level, deputy head of the department, the person leaves, the problem of selecting a candidate arises. What do we see? It is necessary: ​​(since the construction profile of the institution), a competent specialist, a practitioner who is versed in projects, estimates, construction technology, materials used, a man 35-45 years old (business trips and so that the children are not sick) ... We have: there is nobody for this salary, all good specialists are already attached better and more money. Take a student? And to teach him three years, no level of quality of work. The salary is not small, I agree, but few specialists are willing to work for such a salary.
      And much more ...
  21. nemec55
    nemec55 23 July 2013 09: 43 New
    +8
    In the village where my parents live, the same (official) head of the village council (poor) what salary he doesn’t know, but he already bought a BMW X5 + bought a store for 2 lyamas like this. That's all there is nothing but why they don’t pay attention to it the police I've always said * not so much to blame the one who stole, but the one who allowed *
    1. Fox
      Fox 23 July 2013 09: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: nemec55
      but he already bought a BMW X5

      similarly! only machine Toyota Land Cruiser.
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 23 July 2013 20: 43 New
        0
        only machine Toyota Land Cruiser.


        fuck what capable boys
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 23 July 2013 21: 28 New
          0
          Fantasy-free ... plankton, one word.
          And ... crevedko ... rides on the Veyron.
          Or Lamborghini Diablo ... to the extreme.
  22. ed65b
    ed65b 23 July 2013 09: 54 New
    +8
    Yesterday we showed a meeting between the GDP and the head of RusHydro, whoever stole a billion from him and he did not know how to write to the prosecutor’s office. The muzzle was red. the president asked interestingly about the fate of a billion? In general, the range of nursing at our expense is impressive. The administration was undergoing repairs so one official put a door in his office for 56 thousand and still lamented why they say I’m worse than Peter Vasilievich. and a hard worker for one month at this door smacks. he looked at him perplexedly saying your door is new. And that change everything. and pension fund mansions; and transport of poor officials. And here is Miller going to buy a tablet for 3 million normally? I figured it out what it should be made of. Or maybe it will be a big theater to depict movement on the screen with the Mariinsky Polyphany Orchestra?
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 23 July 2013 10: 35 New
      +2
      There was a case at the Kazakh customs (in one of the districts) in the 90s. The head of the customs said so * Whoever buys a car cooler than mine will no longer work * He had a kruzak (such a shabby one) Here is one of the methods of struggle lol In Russia, the situation is similar now.
  23. Dimy4
    Dimy4 23 July 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    Probably it’s hard to work at the Ministry of Labor, we must urgently all of them on vacation on indefinite, you look and wacky thoughts will cease to climb into your head.
  24. Begemot
    Begemot 23 July 2013 10: 15 New
    +4
    after the second paragraph I didn’t even read, the bureaucrats were completely fucked up. Recently, DAM lamented that all young people with a little brain dream of being officials, and I know this problem from my life, I have a constantly shortage of 5-6 people in my department, the personnel officers have been hiding from me for two years now because they can’t find sensible applicants, from 10 - 12 people, the probationary period is 1, and then not always, but for official positions there is a competition for 20 people. But everything is simple: you need to EARN at the bank (as in any business), and the official will RECEIVE! The evolution of interests in employment is very remarkable: in 90, boys dreamed of being bandits, and girls as prostitutes, now everyone has turned to officials. There is a pattern - where there is money - there are personnel.
    1. Inspector
      Inspector 24 July 2013 09: 26 New
      0
      Yes, while boys and girls will have money in the place of an official - they will become uncles and aunts (and even if they get to the top chair). You distort again. And one out of 10 will cope with the work of a small official for not the highest salary for many years.
      Well, if you only have a trial period of 10-12, then maybe something is wrong with you?
  25. Larus
    Larus 23 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    There is no one in the country to restore order in this cesspool, but to call for account for theft .....
  26. Mhpv
    Mhpv 23 July 2013 10: 23 New
    +3
    As soon as the state creates competitive salaries at enterprises and state institutions, and people go to work there because social guarantees and white salaries are higher then businessmen will be forced to raise and pay white salaries, and for now they are the owners of the labor market.
    And about the officials in my opinion, well Tanich through Lesopoval voiced:
    "Tsar Peas stole, Tsar Ivan stole.
    And then he gave out daughters to the cops.
    It went to the kings, it went to the cops.
    And after the cops, it remained for us.

    Steal, steal, Russia!
    And then you’ll disappear.
    Steal, steal, Russia!
    You won’t steal everything.

    We don’t take it, but any
    It sticks to playful hands.
    We are good - not good, but what took, then in the suit.
    For whatever power, we would only steal.

    Steal, steal, Russia!
    And then you’ll disappear.
    Steal, steal, Russia!
    You won’t steal everything.

    Then he’s godfather to someone, he’s brother-in-law to someone,
    He is such a man, he cannot but take.
    Tsar Peas stole, Tsar Ivan stole.
    And for my ass, but I’ve felled.

    Steal, steal, Russia!
    And then you’ll disappear.
    Steal, steal, Russia!
    You won’t steal everything. "
    M. Tanich
  27. Mosen6Ish
    Mosen6Ish 23 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: aud13
    Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Sobyanin said earlier that there are 10 civil servants per 172 thousand people in Russia. That is, for every 58 Russians they feed one official.


    and if you collect all the parasites (just removed the car from the register - there are 4 in the windows !!! police majors, 2 captains and 3 lieutenants knocking on the keys - and they still have benefits and a pension :()
    then it turns out that 1 dependent will have 1 dependent - a parasite, a pensioner and a minor ...
    1. Inspector
      Inspector 24 July 2013 09: 38 New
      0
      There are distortions, no doubt. Where bread and sit there. And where there is nothing to snatch, there is a fluid.
  28. tank64rus
    tank64rus 23 July 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    What is not a minister is an irritant for the People. Doctor of Science in the Russian Federation salary of 14-15 tons Associate Professor 10-12 t. the average pension is 8-10 tons p. of which 4-5 t. for housing and communal services. let this minister live on this money. otherwise he knows social protection.
  29. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 23 July 2013 11: 25 New
    +2
    I’ll tell you a secret to people who have not personally encountered the state. service. The salary of a first-class specialist (this is a person with education at the level of a sharaga) has exactly zp 3 thousand rubles. But to him in a place with bonuses it is increased to 12 tr. and still pay extra quarterly so that on average it turns out not 12 but up to 25t.r.
    Again misconception number 2. all officials steal. I assure you that it steals a maximum of 2 percent of the total mass. And the rest might be glad, but either there is nothing and nowhere, or they’ll put nafig (they will put about a real fact, the anti-constitutional laws still affect the rank and file.)
    Further, about huts, I’ll disappoint, if you are not a local boss, then forget about the hut once and for all.
    Another misconception, they say there are many officials and they are not doing anything. maybe a lot, but people are up to 8 and sit at work, although the day until 6 pm working. And this is not the limit, I assure you, here as in the police and army, the day is not standardized. There are really not enough personnel, vacancies up to a quarter are regular.
    The only chip in the state. Puddle is now career growth. This is the only thing that drives people there.
    Someone wrote about holidays and big vacation. There really are more vacations, but there aren’t holidays everywhere. In the Moscow City Hall, it’s really possible for an ordinary employee to get 100k for vacation, but the Ministry of Agriculture doesn’t pay anything at all, this is an example from what I know.
    So the official in the eyes of the people, this fat man on a Merc with a flashing light. But there are less than 1% of the total number of officials. And I assure you, I am personally from Moscow, here at McDonald's you can have 8+ for an 30-hour working day. And in the civil service with higher people have less than 30k.
    1. svoboda1970
      svoboda1970 23 July 2013 11: 56 New
      +2
      So go ahead - to McDonald's!
    2. Kuryanin
      Kuryanin 24 July 2013 03: 41 New
      +1
      I have 2 higher and for me a salary of 25t.r. in the current situation is unattainable, and officials do not even take friends there, but the day is also irregular and I always drive (the driver in the agricultural company) from 7.00 to 19.00 and sometimes even until 1.00 at night sometimes they even make me go out on weekends.
  30. Ustas
    Ustas 23 July 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    The second article today is that in our country the poorest are officials and oligarchs. They don’t have anything. How do sick people live? And the average weight gain among officials, this turns out to be from malnutrition. Swell, you say, with hunger.
  31. svoboda1970
    svoboda1970 23 July 2013 11: 52 New
    +1
    It remains to wish the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection to weigh their initiatives, analyze their experiences and begin their own work for the benefit of all citizens of Russia


    Here, here, here!

    Empty, ill-conceived initiatives have nothing to do with reality. negative
  32. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 23 July 2013 12: 02 New
    0
    Quote: svoboda1970
    So go ahead - to McDonald's!


    Well, with that logic, can doctors, cops and firefighters go to fry hamburgers?
    And let the state itself regulate itself.
    Indeed, based on your logic, this should be done.
  33. Mails
    Mails 23 July 2013 12: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Ustas
    The second article today is that in our country the poorest are officials and oligarchs. They don’t have anything. How do sick people live? And the average weight gain among officials, this turns out to be from malnutrition. Swell, you say, with hunger.


    Nutrition with a lack of funds is not right ...
    Z \ n only enough for fast food, but for roltons.
  34. Mails
    Mails 23 July 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Ustas
    The second article today is that in our country the poorest are officials and oligarchs. They don’t have anything. How do sick people live? And the average weight gain among officials, this turns out to be from malnutrition. Swell, you say, with hunger.


    Nutrition with a lack of funds is not right ...
    Z \ n only enough for fast food, but for roltons.

    The main thing is not to confuse the civil servant (state employee) and the official.
  35. RussianRu
    RussianRu 23 July 2013 12: 51 New
    +6
    Who has small salaries? The secretary or ordinary civil servant may have. And the leaders? They need to cut back. All possible bonuses if you count, huh? We have a healthy man deputy. mayor, we need to hire a plow, but he guards the seal, in addition, so important that it’s just that you don’t come. And he will never leave this post. And then increase the salary. Responsibility for work should be increased to officials.
  36. Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 23 July 2013 13: 13 New
    +2
    In my opinion, the author (and most of those commenting) knowingly or unknowingly replaces the concepts of "civil servant" and "official" (the word "official" is never used in the quote from the Minister of Labor). Accordingly, it turns out that all civil servants do nothing and at the same time receive safe .. grandmothers. In this case, I propose a number of "bureaucratic" seats for those wishing to receive all these benefits: - Category 1 specialist in legal (desk audits, taxpayer accounting, etc.) at the MIFNS; - court clerk; - Specialist in the institution of state. statistics by place of residence. The list goes on. I assure you that there will be no problems with employment for these positions in most cities of Russia. The flag, as they say, in hand, a monument during his lifetime and a pickle in the ass.
  37. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 23 July 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    Oh, a feeling that you need to enter triples ....
  38. pinecone
    pinecone 23 July 2013 14: 10 New
    +1
    What impudent rubbish this minister is.
  39. datur
    datur 23 July 2013 15: 01 New
    0
    yes simple ==== everyone, is obliged, to report on the experiment to his untreated boss
  40. Inspector
    Inspector 23 July 2013 16: 03 New
    +5
    I’m not going to shield anyone, I’ll just tell you. I have a wife, an official, the chief specialist of the St. Petersburg regional pension fund. If according to the ranking of officials, the lowest is the leading specialist, then the senior and then the chief specialist. Those. these are the people who are "in the field." A wife, for example, accepts and grants pensions to "new" retirees who have approached the retirement date. Open from 9 to 18, reception is conducted all day. Takes off in the evening like a horse. Who knows - working with people is one of the most difficult. So she has a salary of about 4 thousand rubles, I’m not lying! Even below the subsistence level. Then there are some premiums, premiums, and a total of about 12-13 thousand rubles. Many, nowhere to go. Lack of workers, a huge staff turnover at the bottom. But you won’t scoop up the bosses with a crowbar. Once, a woman who retired, who was in black and white in labor, came to receive her, that she was an employee of this pension fund. Only no one had ever seen her in the eye at work. From which a conclusion was drawn, it means that these creatures in the manual receive more salaries for “dead souls”. So here ... The official is the official of discord.
    1. asadov
      asadov 23 July 2013 16: 28 New
      +1
      I agree. The official bickering official. Only the people from this is not easier.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 23 July 2013 16: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Inspector
      Open from 9 to 18, reception is conducted all day. Takes off in the evening like a horse. Who knows - working with people is one of the most difficult.

      But how did officials work under the USSR?
      Per capita officials in the USSR were 6 times less.
      1. Inspector
        Inspector 23 July 2013 20: 43 New
        0
        So they worked. Like horses in the evening. And what does the USSR have to do with it, what are we talking about?
  41. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 23 July 2013 16: 22 New
    +1
    Hard life of a Russian official
    I recalled a report from the 90s. We interviewed the Minister of Labor Trutnev (if I confuse something, correct) the issue of whether pensions or social benefits was discussed. benefits, or "Destiny". Another thing struck me that the minister, sitting in a chair against the background of his mansion, scratching his thoroughbred dog behind his ear, lamented the lack of funds in the budget. Judging by the photographs, the current Minister of Labor is an orphan.
  42. tomich
    tomich 23 July 2013 17: 01 New
    +5
    he resigned from the tax in the month of May, worked as chief specialist, 7 years experience, salary 15 per person, bonuses are not paid even to NG .. those who come after university have a salary of 000-8 thousand. The author of the article should understand what is said about the TERRITORIAL AUTHORITIES, and not about the MINISTRIES. salaries in the ministries are more correctly compared with the salaries of top managers of the oil industry. and about the presidential administration in general, laughter, of course they have such salaries, because on the basis of the decree of the president they are equated with military personnel! in tax salaries have not been indexed since 9! works above the roof, staff turnover is very large in the field. Do not believe? Go to the website of the Federal Tax Service in the section "Jobs". Want to work as an official, forward and with the song !!!
  43. bilgesez
    bilgesez 23 July 2013 18: 16 New
    +1
    (Perhaps information about the vacancies of civil servants is published on some secret "inter-communal" sites that are not available to us. We are not the same ones, you know, by blood ...) About 700 thousand Jews are going to return to Russia from Israel. They need (jobs) jobs.
    1. Nick_1972
      Nick_1972 23 July 2013 20: 26 New
      +2
      Sites such as SuperJob, Work.ru, hh.ru. Next is the civil service section ... And you will get access to secret internecine sites. There are such vacancies, such salaries. Already breathtaking. A specialist of the first category of the legal department of the tax inspection - about 10000 rubles. Not dollars, not pounds, namely rubles and exactly a month.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 23 July 2013 20: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Nick_1972
        Sites such as SuperJob, Work.ru, hh.ru. Next is the civil service section ... And you will get access to secret internecine sites. There are such vacancies, such salaries. Already breathtaking. A specialist of the first category of the legal department of the tax inspection - about 10000 rubles. Not dollars, not pounds, namely rubles and exactly a month.

        It's true! .. I myself know of many of these and many in Russia .. the same garbage .. And the statistics are lying .. Now these types of “optimization” will be reduced, and Fat cats will remain at their salaries, they will be increased several times and then “work horses” will start again "dial on the cheap .. to work on weekends and holidays .. Through me, a millionth financing passes .. a lot of responsibilities .. I just work on enthusiasm for 12 rubles. I just need to .. and there are a lot of them in Russia !!
  44. My address
    My address 23 July 2013 20: 21 New
    0
    We have such ministers. A vivid confirmation of Parkinson's law: "The bureaucracy is self-sufficient and develops well outside the sphere of activity for which it was originally intended." And it is not surprising, taking into account the abilities and achievements of the Prime Minister.
  45. sergo0000
    sergo0000 23 July 2013 20: 29 New
    0

    Yes guys, the life of a Russian official is hard. laughing
  46. za VDV
    za VDV 23 July 2013 21: 20 New
    +1
    Read I wrote a whole verse about our power and about salaries!

    Do not believe anyone, please listen to us
    Taxes fines everything rises gas prices are exceeded
    All large plants are registered abroad
    Youth poisoned us with vodka

    What can I say, everything is built on gold
    Benefit comes first and a lot of lust
    They need our land without people
    Like steel bagatas and we all

    You hear people become rich
    they rob us of our huts
    poison people with fake medicine
    land to the west

    Are the guys really trying for the country?
    Or for officials who wear chocolate?
    No need to listen to those who consider themselves above all,
    They laugh over our grief under whiskey

    Gorbachev our nation-wide ruined the USSR
    And then Yeltsin, our all-Russian mayor ..
    Drank our Russia, in the power of the United States,
    Our entire country knows and is silent about this.
  47. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 23 July 2013 21: 38 New
    0
    And the Ministry of Labor is going to prohibit the issuance of wages in cash. Like, the issuance of "cash" stimulates the appearance of payments in envelopes.

    Enlighten how salary payments on a card affect the contents of envelopes?
  48. 1goose3
    1goose3 23 July 2013 22: 06 New
    -1
    Heart bleeds looking at the hardships of officials. It seems to me that I’m not absolutely sure that if officials cancel their wages altogether and even if they allow a certain payment from the workplace, we won’t see any vacancies. That's how they love their job. winked
  49. egsp
    egsp 23 July 2013 23: 17 New
    +1
    a simple official gets a little. who has friends in the bailiff service or in the tax office, ask how much their salary is - you will be pleasantly surprised. a simple official no one will bring a bribe.
  50. za VDV
    za VDV 24 July 2013 00: 02 New
    0
    Having heard the word, the Russian people immediately thinks that he is a thief, therefore, he will have to persuade people to convince them that they have small salaries or that they live poorly ...