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Turkey has completed testing the domestic tank Altay

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In Turkey, from the third of June to the tenth of July, tests of the first domestic tank Altay, Sabah reported on Monday.


As a result of successful testing, it was found that the tank fully meets the specified requirements and is ready for mass production.

The agreement on the creation of the Altay tank was signed in March 2007 between the Defense Industry Secretariat (SSM) of the Ministry of Defense of Turkey and the Turkish company Otokar.

After testing, it is expected to receive an order for serial production of the first batch in the amount of 250 units. The expected cost of one tank will be 5,5 million dollars, the cost of the development project is 500 million dollars.

In recent years, the Turkish defense industry has focused on the development and production of its own products. Turkey managed to achieve self-sufficiency in the defense industry in 54 percent.
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  1. shinobi
    shinobi 23 July 2013 06: 13 New
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    TTX please! Kindly. hi
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 06: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: shinobi
      TTX please! Kindly.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 23 July 2013 06: 28 New
        +2
        Judging by the power of the engine, he eats quite a bit, this does not feed for a long time! lol
        1. 11 black
          11 black 23 July 2013 07: 32 New
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          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Judging by the power of the engine, he eats quite a bit, this does not feed for a long time! lol

          this is certainly true, but one must think and he is not running slowly ...
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 23 July 2013 10: 19 New
            +1
            And judging by the power, weight, and transmission speeds fly very quickly.
  2. Sirs
    Sirs 23 July 2013 06: 20 New
    0
    And what do we answer - armature? TTX armata will exceed this tank?
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 23 July 2013 08: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Sirs
      And what do we answer - armature? TTX armata will exceed this tank?


      Given that we have an order of magnitude more experience in tank building, as well as some of the most advanced technologies in this area, yes. With a high degree of probability Armata will discard this tank in the last century with its appearance.

      But in general, the question is not correct because Armata is a secret project and asking a question that cannot be answered is stupid.
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 23 July 2013 13: 34 New
        +2
        Ты же говоришь, что это секретный проект и утверждаешь что он будет лучше и танк алтай по сравнению с арматой прошлый век - это же глупо (откуда ты знаешь). Танк армата это не фикция? А может заглохнет этот проект как проект "чёрный орёл"? Ведь мы знать неможем пока не увидим своими глазами. Но мы можем задавать вопросы и получать предпологаемые ответы!!!
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 23 July 2013 14: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Sirs
          Ты же говоришь, что это секретный проект и утверждаешь что он будет лучше и танк алтай по сравнению с арматой прошлый век - это же глупо (откуда ты знаешь). Танк армата это не фикция? А может заглохнет этот проект как проект "чёрный орёл"? Ведь мы знать неможем пока не увидим своими глазами. Но мы можем задавать вопросы и получать предпологаемые ответы!!!


          Shark already partially answered your question:
          Our existing machines do not concede., And in many ways surpass Altai.


          Т.е. так называемый "Алтай" уже запоздал слегка, т.к. эксплуатировать его будут не 10 и не 15 лет. Наши же, учитывая достаточную загруженность УралВагонЗавода, сохранили и кадры и потенциал. Если у тебя вызывает сомнение то, что в России способны разработать и собрать Армату, то это значит, что у кого-то серьезная проблема с объективной оценкой происходящего, а так же потенциала предприятия исходя из доступных данных.
    2. shark
      shark 23 July 2013 08: 44 New
      +2
      А зачем нам на это "чудо" отвечать.Наши ,уже существующие машины ,не утупают .,а во многом и превосходят Алтай.Было гораздо хуже,если бы Турция прикупила Леопардов или Абрамсов последнего поколения.а так стабильный,крепкий середнячок
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 July 2013 23: 41 New
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        Quote: shark
        А зачем нам на это "чудо" отвечать.
        Есть один очень хороший и серьезный ход,позволяющий этот танк,Абрамс и Леопард перевести в разряд сильно устаревших - довести до ума и поставить на поток ПТУР с "ударным ядром"...
  3. buzuke
    buzuke 23 July 2013 06: 32 New
    +1
    As a result of successful testing, it was found that the tank fully meets the specified requirements

    what kind of requirements do they have, I wonder?
  4. pinecone
    pinecone 23 July 2013 06: 41 New
    +6
    Явные неточности в переводе на русский язык. "Тяжёлая автоматическая винтовка, фиксированные управляемые пули". И потом, проект никак не мог быть "заимствован" у турецкого "командира конного объединения", просто его имя было взято в качестве названия танка.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 23 July 2013 07: 01 New
      +3
      Probably the Turks were translating, or generally Google Translate trusted.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 July 2013 07: 29 New
      +6
      The tank is good. At the level of the best tanks. The translation is really unimportant. I would translate from Turkish, but there’s no time to search on Google, soon to work.
    3. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 07: 49 New
      +5
      anyone who needs it will understand) AMT, I finally don’t know what it is, they probably wanted to say MBT, and so the numbers are more important than what is written there)
      1. ayyildiz
        23 July 2013 09: 56 New
        +4
        Serve the engine!
    4. svp67
      svp67 23 July 2013 23: 43 New
      0
      Quote: pinecone
      Явные неточности в переводе на русский язык. "Тяжёлая автоматическая винтовка, фиксированные управляемые пули"

      The translation is really not accurate, since this system on Western tanks is designed to shoot the main gun, in the event of a laser rangefinder failure ...
  5. IsailoR
    IsailoR 23 July 2013 07: 32 New
    0
    Quote: pinecone
    Явные неточности в переводе на русский язык. "Тяжёлая автоматическая винтовка,

    What is surprising? In any ormage there are Turkish guns Altay :))))
  6. nemec55
    nemec55 23 July 2013 07: 48 New
    +1
    Maybe I don’t catch up with what, but where does the Russian Altai for Turkish Turks
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 23 July 2013 08: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: nemec55
      Russian Altai for Turkish Turks



      Yes, nothing at all)))))) named in honor of his commander !!!!
    2. Hort
      Hort 23 July 2013 08: 31 New
      +3
      Turks (Oguzes) from Altai and Khakassia came to Anatolia. Apparently they miss the ancestral home)))
    3. duke
      duke 23 July 2013 09: 38 New
      +2
      Altai is the name of the Turkish general, at Ataturk, in addition, do not forget that officially the Turks consider Altai the birthplace of all the Türks and seriously say that the Russians have no right to it.
      1. Hort
        Hort 23 July 2013 11: 18 New
        +1
        кстати при общении с турками отметил интересную деталь: некоторые слова очень схожи с русскими или со старорусскими. Например, "деде" - дед, "баба" - папа\отец, "курт" (волк) - хорт (старославянское), "чорба" (суп турецкий) созвучна со старым деревенским сибирским "сёрбать" (шумно хлебать суп из ложки) :) Ну и в плане каких-то отдельных черт менталитета тоже есть схожести
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 23 July 2013 13: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: hort
          Well, in terms of some individual traits of mentality, too, there are similarities



          you better read the books of Murad Hadji --- wormwood grass steppe .. it seems so called .... you will get a lot from there ... and about Santa Claus ... and about the Christmas tree ..... and about Tolstoy ... in general fascinating books ............
          1. Our
            Our 7 January 2014 14: 44 New
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            here is the official website a lot of things can be found))) http://www.adji.ru/interview_056.html
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 23 July 2013 17: 20 New
          +6
          ХОРТ Это у вас наследство Золотой Орды.В некоторых местах в России,особенно в глубинке топор называют "балта",используются также слова "ясак","инжир","башыбузук" и т.д.
      2. Hort
        Hort 23 July 2013 11: 24 New
        +2
        Алтай вроде как "высокая тайга" переводится. Что касается мнения турок о наших правах на собственно Алтай, то его можно направить туда же, куда и мнение японцев про Курилы.
        By the way, looking at the local population of the Antalya and Alanian coasts, combined with the ancient ruins in the area, I did not lose the feeling that all these people in Anatolia seemed to be by chance and seemed to have no relation to the history of this region. Why such an impression - I don’t know, maybe too contrasted :)
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 July 2013 13: 16 New
          +9
          Quote: hort
          As for the opinion of the Turks about our rights to Altai itself, it can be sent to the same place as the opinion of the Japanese about the Kuril Islands.

          Yes, no one talks about the accession of Altai. Yes, everyone knows that this is the Turkic land within Russia, like many others. Collectives from Tatarstan, Altai and other Turkic regions of Russia always participate in all cultural events of independent Turkic states, some even there are individual representatives of their subjects in the Turkic states. Tatarstan has an official representative of Tatarstan in Baku. So, well, these lands are part of Russia, but Russia does not interfere with the communication of the Turks among themselves, which is good and smart.
          Quote: hort
          By the way, looking at the local population of the Antalya and Alanya coasts,

          Have you distinguished the Kurds from the Turks among the local population?
          1. ayyildiz
            23 July 2013 13: 40 New
            +6
            How can he distinguish Kurds from Turks!
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 23 July 2013 13: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: ayyildiz
              How can he distinguish Kurds from Turks!

              Well, just a person has some knowledge. Here I thought maybe he can distinguish)
          2. Hort
            Hort 24 July 2013 06: 24 New
            +2
            not immediately and not always. More often it turned out that the man himself said that he was a Kurdish :)) Of all the Kurds with whom I had a chance to communicate, only one was adequate :) The rest were with one or another moron))
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 July 2013 08: 30 New
          +5
          Quote: hort
          Алтай вроде как "высокая тайга" переводится.

          Есть несколько версий. Алтын-тау - золотые горы, Ала-тау - пятнистые горы и др.версии. Но никак не "высокая тайга".
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 23 July 2013 17: 49 New
        +6
        Уважаемый duke,слежу за турецкими СМИ регулярно, но за последние 20 лет подобных утверждений не слышал-"русские на Алтай прав не имеют". Может просветите, кто сказал и когда?
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 23 July 2013 11: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: nemec55
      Maybe I don’t catch up with what, but where does the Russian Altai for Turkish Turks

      Read the story a little understand.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 23 July 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        So he was waiting for a rebuke then. And some just answered and aroused keen interest for which they are and thank you very much.
        1. igor67
          igor67 23 July 2013 13: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: nemec55
          So he was waiting for a rebuke then. And some just answered and aroused keen interest for which they are and thank you very much.

          And you don’t wait, on the site this tank was discussed many times, and the name, so don’t be lazy, but look at the site’s history in the armored section
  7. GHG
    GHG 23 July 2013 08: 35 New
    +2
    Something confuses me, growing into confidence that this object will not withstand the impact of a grenade launcher (not to mention the BPS) in the side projection. It confuses not only the lack of side screens, but also the insecurity of the MV observation devices. I understand everything can be installed, but then the mass will increase, and this is completely different dynamo. characteristics and resource of transmission and suspension units.
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 08: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: GES
      Something confuses me, growing into confidence that this object will not withstand the impact of a grenade launcher (not to mention the BPS) in the side projection. It confuses not only the lack of side screens, but also the insecurity of the MV observation devices. I understand everything can be installed, but then the mass will increase, and this is completely different dynamo. characteristics and resource of transmission and suspension units.

      And so?
      1. GHG
        GHG 23 July 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        Было бы лучше.Пластмассовая моделька "леклерка" окрашеная в непонятный цвет уже ничем не пробивается? laughing
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 23 July 2013 14: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: GES
          Было бы лучше.Пластмассовая моделька "леклерка" окрашеная в непонятный цвет уже ничем не пробивается? laughing

          for those who are crying from a palm tree, I’ll clarify that Altai developers are interested in further upgrading by Altai developers, they have already discussed this at defense.pk more than once, the equipment will change depending on the tasks, it will be necessary, they will install dynamic protection, it will be necessary, they will remove it, and you can keep your highs with you, only a clinical down can claim that there are invulnerable tanks in the world
          GIAT Industries présentera pour la première fois un char de 3° génération, destiné au programme national de char de combat principal pour l'armée turque. Ce char sera développé par une société turque, et une industrie locale. Giat industries est fière de participer à ce programme, grâce à son expérience de 90 ans dans le développement, la production et le support de char de combat principal. Ce char turque sera produit afin de pouvoir intervenir pour tous types d'opérations et être intégré dans un système de centralisation digitale. En outre, il sera capable de bénéficier de dernières innovations technologiques.


          Turkish modernization Leo 2 and M60




          And now look at the shovels T72 cry, and tell us about the super security of the crew and the great Rassian modernization of the tank withstand the hit from a grenade launcher.
          1. GHG
            GHG 23 July 2013 15: 28 New
            +2
            Wash the specified substance is you laughing I love when the unbalanced ones begin to tear their moss at the fifth point. I have said everything in the case, and please keep your emotions to yourself. Be careful and you will be happy.
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 23 July 2013 15: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: GES
              Wash the specified substance is you laughing I love when unbalanced ones begin to tear their moss at the fifth point.

              In the case, nothing vyser, ala armor is strong and our tanks are fast.
              1. GHG
                GHG 23 July 2013 17: 06 New
                +1
                Я писал про отечественные ОБТ?Акстись!!! Написал про модель "леклерк" указанную в вашем комменте.
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 23 July 2013 17: 45 New
            +4
            Вообще-то "Алтай" создан на основе корейского К-2,великолепного горного танка.
          3. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 July 2013 17: 49 New
            +2
            внизу " Сабра 2" . Модернизированый ИВП М-60 для Турции.
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 31 New
        +1
        And if the armored wagon is put on top, it will be even better.
        1. ayyildiz
          23 July 2013 13: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: ed65b
          And if the armored wagon is put on top, it will be even better.

          Be sure to dress! Thanks for the idea
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 23 July 2013 15: 51 New
            0
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Quote: ed65b
            And if the armored wagon is put on top, it will be even better.

            Be sure to dress! Thanks for the idea

            Forever please hi
    2. shark
      shark 23 July 2013 08: 46 New
      +6
      But didn’t they tell you, 40 janissaries are included in the tank’s kit. They are surrounded by a dense crowd and are caught by all the flying ammunition. laughing
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 23 July 2013 09: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: shark
        But didn’t they tell you, 40 janissaries are included in the tank’s kit. They are surrounded by a dense crowd and are caught by all the flying ammunition. laughing
      2. duke
        duke 23 July 2013 09: 39 New
        +4
        yes no, beat off scimitars
      3. nemec55
        nemec55 23 July 2013 11: 34 New
        0
        Janissaries are captive children captured during raids of the Turks
  8. USNik
    USNik 23 July 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    And so?
    Sound the weight with additional screens, tone 70-75? And please note that this is just a drawing, and the tank was without them during the test. The gun is much inferior to the Rheinmetalovsky. There are no active armor blocks on the VLD NLD. A huge tower, vulnerable from the side projection ... In general, the work is still a lot of cars and carts. And another question, what kind of
    Invisible Roketsan Boron Carbide Armor
    ?
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: USNik
      Sound the weight with additional screens, tone 70-75? And please note that this is just a drawing, and the tank was without them during the test. The gun is much inferior to the Rheinmetalovsky. There are no active armor blocks on the VLD NLD. A huge tower, vulnerable from the side projection ... In general, the work is still a lot of cars and carts.

      65 tons approximately. The gun is inferior, absolutely like the shovel with which the T-90 is armed. There is no dynamic armor even on Merkava. Active defense decides. A huge tower, a distinctive feature of all Western tanks, this does not stop them from resisting the tanks of the Soviet school.
      1. Kars
        Kars 23 July 2013 09: 49 New
        +3
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      2. Kars
        Kars 23 July 2013 09: 49 New
        +3
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  9. ayyildiz
    23 July 2013 09: 49 New
    +3


    Tested the armor developed by ROKETSAN
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 10: 00 New
      +3
      To be honest, in a lateral projection, Altai is somewhat similar to a merkava
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 July 2013 17: 37 New
      +4
      Перевожу" Алтай боевой танк (или танк для активных боевых действий) поколения 3+.Назван в честь командира 5-ой кавалерийской дивизии во время Освободительной Войны Фахреддина Алтая. Вес-60 тон.Основное оружие 120мм гладкоствольное орудие,а также пулемёт калибра 12,7. Скорость-90км/ч"
  10. ayyildiz
    23 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +3
    FNSS and Indonesian PINDAD will jointly develop medium tank
  11. ratuld
    ratuld 23 July 2013 10: 21 New
    -9
    Кошмар ! Целый танк ! Алтай ! Это же вызов. Причем неприкрытый. Евреи с сороковых годов героически воюют сами с собой. Теперь и северные семиты в Турции решили наконец свои геополитические искания. АЛТАЙ ! Вот это Земля Санникова ! Пуп земли. Турецкий ГРААЛЬ и копье Лонгина. Я думаю что Шойгу должен ответить РАДИКАЛЬНО ! Назвать носилки и лопату - "комплексом ритуального назначения" "КОНСТАНТИНОПОЛЬ" !!!
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 10: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: ratuld
      Кошмар ! Целый танк ! Алтай ! Это же вызов. Причем неприкрытый. Евреи с сороковых годов героически воюют сами с собой. Теперь и северные семиты в Турции решили наконец свои геополитические искания. АЛТАЙ ! Вот это Земля Санникова ! Пуп земли. Турецкий ГРААЛЬ и копье Лонгина. Я думаю что Шойгу должен ответить РАДИКАЛЬНО ! Назвать носилки и лопату - "комплексом ритуального назначения" "КОНСТАНТИНОПОЛЬ" !!!
  12. Semurg
    Semurg 23 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +9
    The Turks gained a good pace in the economy over the 20 years the USSR was falling apart. I look and go to the defense industry for self-sufficiency and arms exports, soon traditional players in the arms market will have a worthy rival, and for those who want to ridicule this business, see what the Turks did 15 -20 years ago and current products, progress is on the face and it is very significant.
  13. Yeraz
    Yeraz 23 July 2013 11: 18 New
    +6
    Well done. 54% of self-sufficiency deserves respect.
    And for those who cannot understand why Altai, learn the history of the Turks and understand.
    This is the same if the Greeks called their tank Constantinople. And the Turks would be indignant. Altai is the ancestral home of the Turks and this name is in the course, there are many people in the Turkic countries with that name. Or will we force all the Turks to change their names?
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 23 July 2013 11: 44 New
      -4
      Here I still did not have enough to learn the history of the Turks (general agree)
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 23 July 2013 13: 05 New
        +8
        Quote: nemec55
        Here I still did not have enough to learn the history of the Turks (general agree)

        And no one speaks in detail. But knowing the general, you would know about Altai. Türks 300 million plus the history of Russia and Russians is closely intertwined with the Türks.
        1. ratuld
          ratuld 23 July 2013 14: 08 New
          -5
          Очень забавно как Вы определяете -"тюрков". По запаху или размеру стопы?
          Haplogroup R300A000 accounts for 000.
          А что такое "тюрки" я лично не знаю - Гумилев Лев Николаевич правда что то писал - с любовью. Но он умер и так не узнал что все намного проще.
          Turks are mainly Semites with haplos J1 and J2.There are ordinary Jews.
          And there is nothing unnatural or offensive here.
  14. USNik
    USNik 23 July 2013 11: 19 New
    +2
    To be honest, in a lateral projection, Altai is somewhat similar to a merkava
    Not really, except in size. For comparison, not a small leo2a4 and early Altai: Where much more? It will be difficult only for a disabled person not to get into such a fool, and disguising him is problematic. Unless the Turks plan to use it as Jews and Americans, for corral and shooting of the Papuans, in the sense of chasing the Kurds. But then what kind of incentives can they have on the foreign market? Who needs such a mountain for 6-7 million? Regarding the MKEK120 and 2A46M guns, we can say that the first is an incomplete Rh120-based craft, and the second, tested in battles and can fire missile-projectiles (srach was already here
    http://topwar.ru/13071-sravnenie-altay-leopard-2a-t-90.html
    ) And again, the safe maneuvering angles of this giant will be extremely small in view of the weakened lateral zones of the huge tower, the gap between the hull and the tower will be a weak spot, the frontal projection without KAZ will be weakened ... There is still a lot of work, because In the market, a raw solution will fail.
  15. buga1979
    buga1979 23 July 2013 12: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Constantine
    Quote: Sirs
    And what do we answer - armature? TTX armata will exceed this tank?


    Given that we have an order of magnitude more experience in tank building, as well as some of the most advanced technologies in this area, yes. With a high degree of probability Armata will discard this tank in the last century with its appearance.

    But in general, the question is not correct because Armata is a secret project and asking a question that cannot be answered is stupid.

    well for this tank and t-72 for the eyes is enough
  16. GHG
    GHG 23 July 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    A little video to the topic
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 23 July 2013 17: 17 New
      0
      and why do not show where you can knock it out? it's somehow not fair
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 23 July 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    So the Turks will be drawn away from the Americans, the United States will begin to sag, there is a real chance of becoming the first in the arms trade. Need to help. Still bend the lightings and you can sleep peacefully. and urgently lobby for the purchase by Azerbaijan of our equipment. as well as repair and modernization.
    1. ayyildiz
      23 July 2013 13: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      So, the Turks will be drawn away from the Americans, the United States will begin to sag

      It is high time that we could lead our independent policy!

      Quote: ed65b
      There are real chances to be the first in the arms trade. Need help


      We will not be the first, but good players in this field can become!
  18. ratuld
    ratuld 23 July 2013 14: 00 New
    0
    It’s not the tanks that fight - but the crews. So the old -72-two deuces with normal soldiers inside are chasing the whole folded international rabble in the tail and mane in Syria. Including domestic supermen from Chechnya and the outskirts.
    So the Turks need about fifty years to design and assemble military equipment.
    First let this Altai fight at least with the Zulus.
    and then we'll see.
    1. ayyildiz
      23 July 2013 14: 23 New
      +2
      Tank = 402
      BMP = 365
      Shilka KM = 32
      BRDM = 27
      ZKA = 6
      IGA = 8
      KMU = 26
      BTR = 16
      ZA = 32
      Mobil 14,5mm = 16

      Losses of the Syrian army in March 13
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 23 July 2013 15: 34 New
      +3


      especially look at 4.38 ... complete lack of professionalism ... and this is your normal soldiers)))))))
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 23 July 2013 17: 54 New
      +4
      ratuld The usual vocabulary of hatred. The Crimean War showed what this leads to.
  19. Regis
    Regis 23 July 2013 15: 19 New
    +1
    Sorry, but do you yourself believe that the Syrians lost 400 tanks in a month?
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 23 July 2013 15: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Regis
      Syrians lost 400 tanks in a month?


      this is not a month since the start of the confrontation ....
    2. ayyildiz
      23 July 2013 15: 30 New
      +2
      For the entire period of hostilities, not a month!

      TANK BMP SHILKA BRDM ZKA IGA KMU BTR ZA 14.5 TOPLAM

      31.08.2012 128 140 9 16 --- 4 7 --- 7 5 316
      30.09.2012 139 155 10 15 --- 4 10 --- 10 5 348
      31.10.2012 192 194 12 15 --- 7 14 --- 13 5 452
      30.11.2012 223 229 17 17 5 8 16 10 17 5 544
      31.12.2012 279 266 20 20 5 8 20 10 19 5 652
      30.01.2013 305 291 22 22 5 8 22 11 22 5 713
      28.02.2013 333 307 22 23 6 8 24 12 28 6 769
      31.03.2013 380 330 30 26 6 7 24 14 31 14 862
      30.04.2013 402 365 32 27 6 8 26 14 32 14 928
      31.05.2013 428 388 34 29 6 8 28 17 32 15 985
      30.06.2013 458 402 34 31 6 8 31 17 33 15 1035

  20. Regis
    Regis 23 July 2013 15: 30 New
    +1
    Then I apologize! I’m probably not looking at the phone clearly.
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 23 July 2013 15: 49 New
    +1
    so they are not fighting there with the boys. Therefore, the loss. where without them. But after all, they are hammering a jihadist asset. And this is the most important thing.
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 23 July 2013 15: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      so they are not fighting there with the boys. Therefore, the loss. where without them. But after all, they are hammering a jihadist asset. And this is the most important thing.

      Once again, it proves that it costs Israel, the United States or NATO to begin a military operation against Assad, how it will be rolled out in a couple of hours, because illiterate aborigines with AK and Slingshots transporting 400 tanks of the regular army each, this is too much, this already says first of all that The Syrian army is not able to confront a serious enemy.

      By the way, boys are fighting.






      1. GP
        GP 23 July 2013 18: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Gooch
        Once again, it proves that it costs Israel, the United States or NATO to begin a military operation against Assad, how it will be rolled out in a couple of hours, because illiterate aborigines with AK and Slingshots transporting 400 tanks of the regular army each, this is too much, this already says first of all that The Syrian army is not able to confront a serious enemy.

        By the way, boys are fighting.


        Yeah, hellish rambo wassat
        Смелые за бабскими юбками, что вообще характерное свойство любой партизанщины. Для регуляров местное население определенно сковывает действия. Амеры против этого нашли простой способ - с высоты не видно баба или мужик и совесть не мучает, херачат куда вздумается во "имя (вставьте нужное слово)".
  22. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 23 July 2013 19: 39 New
    +2
    Send a couple to the Syrian border, to the territory controlled by the PKK and see what kind of device on YouTube.
  23. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 30 July 2013 17: 17 New
    0
    For the Turks - not bad, although as for me, it is remade for itself - LEOPARD-2 hi