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The maximum service life in the army will increase

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The maximum service life in the army will increase

The Russian Defense Ministry plans on July 22 to submit to the government a draft law on increasing the age limit for military service for five years, RIA quotes News Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation, Army General Nikolai Pankov.


"We will introduce a bill to increase the age limit for military servicemen," Pankov said at a meeting of the Public Council at the Russian Defense Ministry. He also noted that the ministry had been collecting comments on this document from the government and the public for more than a month. As a result, no critical comments were received.

"No state in the world has such a short life cycle of an officer: Major, Lieutenant Colonel - 45 years, Colonel - 50 years," said Pankov.

At the same time, he noted that in Russia officers are trained the longest - 9 years. Pankov thanked the members of the Public Council for conducting a public examination of this and other bills drafted by the RF Ministry of Defense.
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  1. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 21 July 2013 17: 18 New
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    9 years of training is obtained only when an officer, in addition to a military school, graduates from a “specific” academy, and then from the academy of the General Staff. Such a minimum. Most do not enter a regular academy. So the vast majority only studies at a military school for 5 years. Well, maybe a few more months on some sort of courses ..
    1. Very old
      Very old 21 July 2013 17: 38 New
      +9
      And yet, Dmitry, the five-year mainly training of officers is not a reason to abandon their knowledge, experience and desire to serve
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 21 July 2013 18: 05 New
        45
        Generally, age limit is an idiotic concept. The limit should be well-designed exams in theoretical and physical preparation. Passed - serve at least until the age of 100, did not pass - at least at 25 - get out.
        1. Recon
          Recon 21 July 2013 20: 04 New
          +5
          subscribe to your words. Exported if - why retire?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 21 July 2013 22: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: zart_arn
            Passed - serve at least until 100 years, did not pass - at least in 25 - get out.

            Quote: Recon
            subscribe to your words. Exported if - why retire?

            There is such a thing in the army as an age group! In 25 years, the officer must pull himself up a number of times, since he is in the first group. And in 50 years, he should be able to jump on the horizontal bar and this will be enough, since he is in the 6 group !!! wassat
            1. Nick
              Nick 21 July 2013 23: 01 New
              10
              Quote: nycsson
              And at 50, he should be able to jump on the horizontal bar and this will be enough, since he is in the 6th group !!!

              And during my military service, to us, conscripts, who were 18-20 years old, the 45-year-old lieutenant colonel, checking out of the department, showed the "sun" on the horizontal bar ... This is an officer! You can serve such a lieutenant colonel up to 60 years old ...
              1. piter-tank
                piter-tank 22 July 2013 19: 25 New
                +2
                Lieutenant Colonel - well done, no doubt! But in a military man everything should be harmonious. And now at the Higher School of Economics, the surcharge for the “candidate of science” is 3000 rubles, and for the excellent delivery of physical and physical education - up to 20 per month. Question: What is the main function of a university teacher - to run like a horse or to develop scientific thought?
                1. Nick
                  Nick 23 July 2013 20: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: piter-tank
                  Now, at higher educational institutions, the surcharge for the “candidate of science” is 3000 rubles, and for the excellent delivery of physically - up to 20 per month. Question: What is the main function of a university teacher - to run like a horse or to develop scientific thought?

                  You are right, in this case, the allowances should be swapped ... But this is in this case, and somewhere physical training is important, but not to the detriment of the head of course ...
            2. Hunghuz
              Hunghuz 22 July 2013 06: 20 New
              +5
              hi The head marshal Taburetkin looked like he was jumping on furniture and pulling off at the Bap battalion))) but he didn’t see it on the horizontal bar, it’s hard for him to carry a vigorous suitcase .........)
              1. valokordin
                valokordin 22 July 2013 09: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Hunghouse
                hi The head marshal Taburetkin looked like he was jumping on furniture and pulling off at the Bap battalion))) but he didn’t see it on the horizontal bar, it’s hard for him to carry a vigorous suitcase .........)

                Well, he was not a marshal, but a field marshal - he jumped on a stool, pulled on a defense service and you're ready. The Generalissimo knows who to bet.
                1. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 22 July 2013 12: 54 New
                  +1
                  Accept the clarification - feld furniture. For the greater, he did not bother to get promoted.
            3. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 22 July 2013 09: 47 New
              +2
              All right. However, if, suddenly, a person of the 6th group wants and can fulfill the standard of the 5th, 4th, 3rd groups, then it makes sense to stimulate him. It is clear that there will not be many of these.
              But a flexible reward system will not be superfluous.
        2. Ivanovich47
          Ivanovich47 21 July 2013 21: 31 New
          +3
          The age limit for an officer is not a “stupid concept”, but a tragedy!
        3. Col.
          Col. 22 July 2013 14: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: zart_arn
          The limit should be well-designed exams in theoretical and physical preparation.

          And here is what Peter I thought about this:

          Descendants to lowering
          If the general or chief officer of the Russian army, in the service of the sovereign’s health, has spoiled his health, he has kept his mind and has never left his service, but with great diligence using the doctors, he’ll put him back on his feet.
          For a sensible general or chief officer does not have strength in his legs and seat, but essence in the head and skills of the military.
          Being a sophisticated experience, I know that d_urak health excellent Skoda can make great stupidity.
          And according to this - it is better if the commander of Victoria is victorious without legs, than suffers without a head at the level of embarrassment, living in complete health. [/ B]
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 22 July 2013 15: 52 New
            +1
            Best statement on the problem. And fit into basic common sense.
        4. svp67
          svp67 22 July 2013 17: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: zart_arn
          Generally, age limit is an idiotic concept.
          It becomes understandable and meaningful when you realize that without this “idiotic” concept, an officer can command a platoon - years 15 ... 20, company - 10 ... 15 and so on. The army is limited in the number of posts. So, it’s one thing at the headquarters of a “letter carrier” and “a driver’s hand” to come and go to the service on hours, it’s possible to serve up to 100 years, and another thing to “troops” and “with personnel” with irregular working hours, without a family to serve ...
      2. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 22 July 2013 00: 50 New
        0
        I am not talking about the need to abandon someone’s experience and knowledge. I’m saying that Comrade Pankov claims to have trained officers for 9 years as a mass phenomenon, but this is far from the case ... Well, besides, before Taburetkin, the normal practice of leaving the officer over the age limit worked, at his request . And there were a lot of such officers.
        1. domokl
          domokl 22 July 2013 05: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: erix-06
          I'm not talking about the need to abandon someone’s experience and knowledge

          Guys, let's be honest. It’s certainly a shame to leave when there seems to be a lot of strength and age already. But the battalion commander, whom 50 cannot really command in battle, is just like young.
          It seems to me that increasing the service life you need to really look at things. A service at the headquarters, a military registration and enlistment office, or somewhere else, where in the morning you are equal, the pens are quiet .. and the service is in combat units, with real soldiers, real physical training and real combat tasks should be separated.
          It’s clear what caused these proposals. Well, there’s no conscript, military education has been destroyed. Only a long time ago this problem has been solved in some armies. Both by age and salary. In the same states, sergeant, a company foreman gets more money, than the staff colonel and retires 5 years earlier.
          1. Cyril7377
            Cyril7377 22 July 2013 08: 02 New
            0
            I would like that the Ministry of Defense really cares about the personnel of the army and the need to be in the service of sensible officers, and not as in the prosecutor’s office or court, where, in order to keep legally old "distinguished leaders, the terms were increased to 65 years in the prosecutor’s office and to 70 in court
            1. svp67
              svp67 22 July 2013 23: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Cyril7377
              I would like that the Ministry of Defense really cares about the personnel of the army and the need to be in the service of sensible officers, and not as in the prosecutor's office or court
              And at this stage I would not mind that I, a pensioner of the Moscow Region, would be paid a pension according to the same criteria as military judges and prosecutors ...
          2. andrejwz
            andrejwz 22 July 2013 09: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Guys, let's be honest. It’s certainly a shame to leave when there seems to be a lot of strength and age already. But the battalion commander, whom 50 cannot really command in battle, is just like young.

            Physiologically. First he thinks, then he makes a decision. Young, often, first makes a decision, and then thinks how to fix it. If an officer, by the age of 50, needs to personally rush about like an electric broom to control a battalion, checking for each, correct execution, experiencing physical ailments, then the question of the appropriateness of his service should be raised in the definition of “yesterday”
          3. svp67
            svp67 22 July 2013 22: 58 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            But the battalion commander, whom 50 cannot really command in battle, is just like a young
            It’s good if Kombat, and if Rotny, any “fifteen-year-old captain”?
      3. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 22 July 2013 09: 54 New
        +3
        I am sure that an increase in the service life is proposed exclusively for the general am , but not for staff officers who really want to serve. As practice has shown, the general posts were almost not affected by the cuts that shocked our Army and Navy and the scythe passed just through the junior officers.
      4. Suhov
        Suhov 22 July 2013 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Old very
        five-year training of officers is not a good reason to abandon their knowledge, experience and desire to serve

        With the thesis you have stated above, I completely agree.
        But!!!
        The article is about increasing retirement age for the military.
        State Approach:
        Senior Citizens - a burden,
        Pensions are bad for the budget.
        By increasing the retirement age of the military,
        Managers will solve the task set for them.
        Reduce the cost of maintaining military pensioners
        by reducing the number of the above pensioners ...
        request
        I don’t know about you, but as for me, such a decision is somehow not very ...
        One could say shorter
        but in this case you cannot do without swear words.
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 22 July 2013 13: 06 New
          0
          In fact, officers do not have such a thing as retirement age. The law on retirement benefits for military personnel speaks of the right to retirement benefits for a certain length of service. And it equals 20 years in calendar or preferential terms. The pension is 50%, plus 3% for each subsequent year. But not higher than 85%. There was a period when part of the pension was paid a certain length of service. Then all this was canceled. With an increase in the maximum service life for length of service over 32 years (in calendar or preferential terms), no pension will be accrued. Maybe these 5 years will be counted in the length of service after being fired as a citizen for accruing a second pension?
        2. rodz
          rodz 22 July 2013 13: 40 New
          -1
          ... Reduce the cost of maintaining military pensioners ...

          not quite right, because if he is not a pensioner, but serves, it means he receives a monetary allowance, but it is higher than a pension ...
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 22 July 2013 23: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: rodz
            if he is not a pensioner, but serves, it means he receives a monetary allowance, but it is higher than a pension ...
            Yes, but at the same time it SERVES, i.e. performs duties on the post. If the position has not been reduced, then you still need to keep someone on it, paying him this salary. Those. salary is paid for anyone, and pension is saved
            1. Suhov
              Suhov 23 July 2013 00: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              Those. salary is paid for anyone, and pension is saved

              You are right.
              yes
              If the lifespan is raised from 20 years to 50 years (exaggerate)
              it can be great to save on pensions - there will be no pensioners!
              wassat
              - Effectively?
              - Yes.
              - Really?
              - No.
              recourse
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 23 July 2013 09: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Sukhov
                If the lifespan is raised from 20 years to 50 years (exaggerate)
                that you can save a lot on pensions - there will be no pensioners!

                Already saved, even without increasing the service life. When retiring, most military pensioners out of habit register their receipt at a savings bank. The books last for about 5 years. Repeatedly I heard from the controllers of the savings bank that somewhere in one of the five the second is no longer making out, it just does not live to see the end of the first ... request
    2. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 21 July 2013 20: 01 New
      +2
      He received a military education in the glorious HVAUS, then 5 years in RVVAIU them. J. Alksnis, it turns out 8 years without other academies ...
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 22 July 2013 02: 45 New
        0
        And why did two military schools finish?
    3. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 21 July 2013 21: 32 New
      0
      How many "academies did" brother Colonel finish?
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 22 July 2013 02: 40 New
        0
        Academy one.
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 21 July 2013 22: 36 New
      +1
      Yeah! Nowhere in the world do they take income tax from a military salary !!! wassat
      1. Coward
        Coward 22 July 2013 04: 03 New
        +1
        And you can link. Or is it an OBS?
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 22 July 2013 08: 49 New
          +2
          The maximum service life can be increased. But not by decree or law. If the officer is physically and mentally healthy, he should be able to continue serving. As long as there is a desire to continue the service and until he misses the medical commission.
          In other cases, this is similar to a law that can leave a retired officer without an honestly earned pension.
      2. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 22 July 2013 08: 55 New
        +1
        Income tax goes to the local budget. The municipality must have at least something from the military, so that there is interest in the presence of units in their area.
    5. sprut
      sprut 22 July 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      And doctoral studies and doctoral studies?
  2. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 July 2013 17: 23 New
    27
    I, the retired officer, bitterly read this article. Being retired and remaining in the system of the military department, I saw how young lieutenants who had just graduated from military schools and young colonels who had just received this high rank of the Russian army were thrown out of the army. Sometimes I thought, maybe this is general madness. Thank God. come to your senses! We realized that they overdid it. How many ruined, only nascent military destinies! And it turned out: young, overboard, and the elderly extend the service life! Everything is as always: we thought the best ... and the article is a plus. Let the people see what they are doing to the army.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 21 July 2013 20: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      young, overboard, and the elderly extend the service life!

      This is the expected continuation of the "reform" (by Shoigu now), in which there is no thoughtfulness. Instead of the Soviet military school with the definition of a likely enemy, the military education system, long-term plans for the development of military equipment and weapons - nothing. Honestly, I don’t understand.
    2. domokl
      domokl 22 July 2013 06: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      . How many ruined, only nascent military destinies!

      The fact is that young colonels are usually participants in hostilities. And you know very well that senior officers of this level are quite promising, but ... not sufficiently trained to bend. You yourself were in such a situation.
      The dismissal was caused by just this. I won’t say anything about the lieutenants. I didn’t have practically such (specifics), but the captains left often. They were beautiful, smart, brazen military, having combat experience and military awards, but they left. It’s from such staff games more correct than intrigue.
      Somehow I remembered the Lyube song now ... recourse
    3. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 22 July 2013 13: 08 New
      0
      Everything according to Chernomyrdin ...
  3. valokordin
    valokordin 21 July 2013 17: 28 New
    +6
    Increasing the life of officers is correct, how many well-trained specialists in their prime are fired from service. However, it did not hinder to increase the service life of conscripts, for starters, to one and a half years. Even simple infantry must be fully operational. For sailors, tankers, artillerymen, and the Air Force, the service should last 2 years, cash allowance should be at least 5 thousand per month. And there will be no problems.
    1. Very old
      Very old 21 July 2013 17: 41 New
      +1
      Rested in 1 year. And what to understand, what to learn in 1 year? Technique is only harder
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 21 July 2013 18: 12 New
        -3
        My son served an urgent term, last week he quit, a company signalman in reconnaissance battalion, he had nothing to learn after three months of service, any one hundredth harder than military communications, and he mastered all the other soldier's wisdom for this period, after half a year when the young arrived, he taught, by the end service any tactical exercises for the commander of the department fulfilled. A year is quite enough if you are engaged in normal combat training.
        If somewhere is not enough - contract soldiers.
        1. domokl
          domokl 22 July 2013 06: 10 New
          +6
          Quote: ando_bor
          , by the end of the service, he worked out any tactical exercises for the squad leader. A year is enough

          You should write fantastic books. I will never believe that a soldier could become a practically ready squad leader without special training in six months. Even a well-trained sergeant after training will not be able to fully conduct tactical exercises.
          So either you are disingenuous, or your son is a racket ... No offense, the topic is too serious
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 22 July 2013 10: 11 New
            +2
            You give a normal full-fledged NVP at school. And then you will be wrong. Absolutely. I was lucky - I had it all. And not for show. The NVP teacher was very enthusiastic.
          2. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 22 July 2013 13: 14 New
            0
            I agree to all 100%. To become a real squad leader - you need not only to study the materiel. A lot of trepulators got divorced. If this is so in practice, then this is our misfortune.
          3. ando_bor
            ando_bor 22 July 2013 15: 49 New
            0
            No offense. The guy has a higher education (almost two, did not manage to get a second diploma on the sidelines, half a year left, decided to join the army), category in mountaineering and hand-to-hand combat (not high), field experience (summer expeditions), before the army for a year He worked as an engineer.
            Not all recruits are of such a level, but they are also enough for squad leaders. The son was not a squad leader, but he practiced tactical exercises in the position of KO. There were 4 conscripts in the company’s management department, they got "horseless" and commanded the second half of the year in tactical exercises. No one will appoint him from the post of senior signalman to the KO.
            They didn’t have any sergeants from training, all of their family members were the most trained fighter from the squad in the second half of the year (probably they held special classes for sergeants, I don’t know for sure). From my own experience I’ll tell you DMB 85, ​​home sergeants are better (we had both), in the “science” training course they certainly give you the ray, but many are not suitable for the sergeant’s moral and psychological factors - all in a row without selection, who got into training, in part such a sergeant will not, and the "science" there is not tricky, for two times mastered.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 22 July 2013 10: 08 New
          0
          Himself served an urgent. And before that, the school had NVP lessons. And summer fees for 2-3 weeks two summers in a row. Normally taught.
          So, having served urgent, I did not learn anything beyond the available after the NVP on combined arms training. Only in the telegraph operator’s specialty proper. Tortured STA-37. Who does not know - start-stop telegraph apparatus, model 37 years.
          Well and still so, on trifles. But at school, military weapons were fired more often smile
          On the combined arms level, sergeants had to tactfully prompt elementary things in the classroom: incomplete and complete disassembly of the AKM, the procedure for putting on and removing the OZK ... Tactically - so as not to spoil their authority and not get them in the eye for it. I am already silent about such delights as trenches of various profiles or how a compartment is deployed into a chain of columns. Well, in general, you understand ...

          Summarizing: an idiot can be unsuccessfully taught all his life. To drill a normal person in a year. Moreover, all that about weapons is really interesting to the boys.
          1. Gato
            Gato 22 July 2013 12: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: abrakadabre
            but, having served an urgent service, he did not learn anything beyond what was available after the NVP for combined arms training. Only in the telegraph operator’s specialty proper. Tortured STA-37. Who does not know - start-stop telegraph apparatus, model 37 years.

            Well, it's like someone is lucky. I served the term 1986-88, after the 1st year of university (students were then taken), I immediately got into sergeant training, and the heads of the radio stations were trained. Cooked with such intensity that the brains boiled. Then he got into the troops - a platoon of the administration of a separate road-commandant battalion. And there is such a "variety" of technology belay
            KShMki R-142, museum R-140, was even R-118B. I had to master it thoroughly. This is not to mention the P105 and P109, the work of which had to learn company ligaments.
            Shooting was 2 times a month, and not only from the PM.
            Then I still had to participate in the large exercises "Kavkaz-87".
            All this is thanks to the battalion commander and the deputy who came with him, who had previously served together in Afghanistan.
            By the way, after the exercises, the battalion commander received a hat and went on promotion (he then seemed 37 or 38).
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 22 July 2013 12: 31 New
              0
              Who argues. I pressed more on the fact that they gave me so much at the school for military training that a significant part of the general training in the army was unnecessary and even lower in quality. And I can’t say that if I didn’t serve, all this knowledge would be a dead weight.
              And there is a big reserve for optimization. In order for conscripts to undergo special training in the army.
        3. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 22 July 2013 13: 11 New
          0
          And you yourself served urgent? In Soviet times, ensigns were appointed commander of the T-80. And they did not consider themselves offended ...
      2. ando_bor
        ando_bor 21 July 2013 18: 21 New
        -5
        By the way, he had 12000 cash allowance, and two salaries for demobilization.
        In combat units (units in the Caucasus and abroad), conscripts receive a “bare” salary for contractors, depending on the position that conscripts can actually occupy, this is 10000-15000 rubles.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 July 2013 22: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: ando_bor
          By the way, he had 12000 cash allowance, and two salaries for demobilization.
          In combat units (units in the Caucasus and abroad), conscripts receive a “bare” salary for contractors, depending on the position that conscripts can actually occupy, this is 10000-15000 rubles.

          I have not read such tales for a long time !!! wassat
          1. ando_bor
            ando_bor 22 July 2013 14: 51 New
            0
            Yes, such smiling "experts", even at quite adequate sites, they rule.
            And where are the hamsters and hired, what's going on?
        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 22 July 2013 13: 19 New
          0
          Since 2013, servicemen who are on military service will receive a monthly salary of two thousand rubles.

          The corresponding order of the Minister of Defense is No. 1717, this is a departmental document drawn up on the basis of a special decree of the president and the corresponding government decree regulating the size of the salary of military personnel. This was reported by RIA Novosti.

          Order No. 1717 is dated July 6, 2012, increased allowances for military servicemen have already been counted or will be counted from January 1, 2013.

          The order legalized new payments in the army, which have been carried out since January 2012 as an experiment to unify the monetary allowance of draftees.

          For comparison, before the experiment, the ordinary shooter and cadet of the training unit were paid a thousand rubles, and the division commander was 1,4 thousand rubles a month.

          According to the order, regardless of the position, rank and characteristics of service, soldiers, sergeants and foremen of military service will receive two thousand rubles a month.

          The document says that two thousand rubles a month must be paid to cadets of military universities.

          Deputy Minister of Defense Tatyana Shevtsova emphasized that a monthly two thousand rubles is the minimum that a conscript receives today.

          Those who serve in the North Caucasus and outside of Russia receive more.

          Their salary is like that of contract soldiers, they receive additional payments

          According to the correspondents of "MIC", news agencies ARMS-TASS and Interfax-AVN
          Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/2144
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 July 2013 20: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Old very
        what to learn in 1 year? Technique is only harder

        In my opinion, this is not a matter of technology - it is often designed to be used specifically by an ordinary "user". But how do they manage to do it in a year - to train, and then work out b / g with this particular “user” as part of a detachment, company, battalion, brigade / division. Or they think that if each individual soldier is simply an expert in his equipment, then the brigade / division / army is ready ?! laughing Masters in a team do not automatically make it a team of masters, in my opinion.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 July 2013 22: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      Improving the life of officers is correct,

      No, it’s not right! Do you think that they simply send 45 years to the reserve from the army? It’s much more complicated than a civilian. An officer by this age is exhausting his potential!
      Quote: valokordin
      cash allowance must be at least 5thousand per month.

      Nonsense! It will be too expensive for our economy!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 21 July 2013 23: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        Do you think that with the army just like that in 45 years they are sent to the reserve? It’s much more complicated than a civilian. An officer by this age is exhausting his potential!


        There is such a letter. The calculation is made for a reason.
        I know by hearsay, my father retired as a lieutenant colonel.
        Not so simple.
        1. Gato
          Gato 22 July 2013 11: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          There is such a letter. The calculation is made for a reason.

          Of course, not just. There is still such a thing as frame updates. Roughly speaking, how many years will be company, deputies, etc., if the battalion commander is 50?
      2. domokl
        domokl 22 July 2013 06: 16 New
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        An officer by this age is exhausting his potential!

        I agree. In combat units (unless of course it is the company commander, battalion unit, and not the commander of the regiment division), he will not be able to fully command.
        But there is also a military education system, the MOVU, and other kakranadashnyh duty stations. Why not transfer there? And then we are jackets to lieutenant colonel in military commissariats ...
      3. valokordin
        valokordin 22 July 2013 09: 10 New
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        Nonsense! It will be too expensive for our economy!

        More expensive for our economy to feed someone else's army.
      4. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 22 July 2013 09: 34 New
        +1
        to leave 25 years of service after which you can quit as per the maximum service life and still be allowed to renew according to the results of the medical examination, and not by way of exception, I can argue about the sixth group, it is not more common in older age groups than in others, but standards if necessary it can be corrected in the direction of complication, in any case it is “limited fit” for current officers, a reason for not extending the contract.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 July 2013 17: 35 New
    +5
    There is such a profession to defend the homeland !!! How many Soviet, Russian officers have you experienced and are undergoing all sorts of reforms .. May God all settle down .. For you all the hope of Russia ..!
  5. Ppsh
    Ppsh 21 July 2013 17: 36 New
    +5
    I believe that the officer should have a choice. If you want, go to retire at 45, if you want to serve, please.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 21 July 2013 17: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: PPSh
      I believe that the officer should have a choice. If you want, go to retire at 45, if you want to serve, please.

      I agree. Most of the officer corps go to the army by vocation and now, at the peak of their professional uniforms, people are fired for age qualifications. A differentiated approach is needed, which would take into account the track record, the level of professionalism and the desire of the serviceman himself.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 21 July 2013 17: 59 New
      +9
      Quote: PPSh
      I believe that the officer should have a choice. If you want, go to retire at 45, if you want to serve, please.

      Yes, just to leave the pension.
      Quote: Old very
      Rested in 1 year. And what to understand, what to learn in 1 year? Technique is only harder

      2a years of conscription service must be returned, and DOSAAF revived, at school not OBZH, but NVP.
  6. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 21 July 2013 18: 21 New
    +1
    In technically complex military professions, everything rests on the officers. And the captains are the most useful - there is already experience and there is energy for growth. And for conscripts I glued stickers with the number of the on-off order (green and red) and you know they pulled me out of the house less. Before checking this tree had to be disassembled. For motorized rifles, a year of service is enough - but it’s service.
  7. Alan
    Alan 21 July 2013 19: 06 New
    +6
    Never put so many advantages; practically to everyone - I think because the majority survived everything in their own skin.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2013 19: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Alan
      I think because most of them survived in their own skin.


      Well then, and you hold + !!! drinks
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 21 July 2013 22: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        Well then, and you hold + !!!

        Sergey, hi ! plus all, the people say that ... drinks !
  8. baytygan
    baytygan 21 July 2013 20: 06 New
    -1
    they only care not about the country's defense capability, but about pension payments ...
    1. mr.Man
      mr.Man 22 July 2013 00: 52 New
      0
      Every military civilian thinks about life in old age after service-work.
      The country's defense is not always young 20-year-olds keep up ...
  9. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 21 July 2013 20: 17 New
    +2
    The wonderful Serdyukov dispersed a large number of officers from the army. Three years there were no admission to schools. We have a large "... opu" in matters of staffing the army with officers. Shoigu came. I saw all this and, probably, wept. Now try to catch up. At least somehow keep the remaining. Even such a category of officers as “fenders” are being fired with a creak.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 21 July 2013 20: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Shoigu came. I saw all this and probably wept

      Reading you, I also almost cried. Is there really someone in this country who does not know that everything is decided by the Commander-in-Chief, and not Serdyukov and Shoigu ?!
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 22 July 2013 09: 45 New
      0
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Even such a category of officers as “fenders” are being fired with a creak.

      Not with a creak, but with a whistle !!!
  10. faraon
    faraon 21 July 2013 20: 22 New
    +8
    The army must be returned to the basic principles + contract soldiers. The fighter should be ready at any time to stand up to defend the borders. The training should take place properly, I agree that the army is not for everyone, but after passing 1 year of service, it is necessary to constantly test fighters for professional the suitability of the military profession of the army you need. In the second year to equip the units with selected soldiers, but who is not able to bear the hardships and deprivations of military service (and such will be) provide service on an alternative basis. (Social institutions). At the end of a two-year service, transfer more qualified specialists to contract service with the corresponding social benefits, as well as the opportunity to protect the army to get a higher education, even in the civilian or military spheres, with subsequent training in the army. motivation to serve in combat units. ) Do not shrug off this experience - you need to take the best that is in the armies of other countries. Because you need to take into account the conditions of a future war, it will be fought by small units striking in the rear. And also take into account the technological equipment in the army that can carry out military operations at a greater distance .
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 21 July 2013 20: 37 New
      0
      Quote: faraon
      After all, it is necessary to take into account the conditions of a future war, it will be waged by small units striking in the rear.

      Where such confidence? Not a fact. On different TVDs, different "scenarios" are possible. This is at least.
  11. s1н7т
    s1н7т 21 July 2013 20: 32 New
    0
    In my opinion, the maximum service life should be determined by the ability and willingness of the officer. But mechanically all under one comb - wrong. Those. for example, a colonel, for example, must reach the rank of 50 (if everything is “bundled” with him), and then he can decide whether to stay or leave.
  12. faraon
    faraon 21 July 2013 21: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: c1n7
    In my opinion, the maximum service life should be determined by the ability and willingness of the officer. But mechanically all under one comb - wrong. Those. for example, a colonel, for example, must reach the rank of 50 (if everything is “bundled” with him), and then he can decide whether to stay or leave.

    I completely agree with you, I just want to add on all questions. Armies need real colonels and not parquet, Welcome to the status of an officer, no leave, give way to others. There should be no random people in the army, and ballast. And you need an officer corps corresponding to this high status. (Servant to the king, father to the soldiers)
  13. studentmati
    studentmati 21 July 2013 22: 11 New
    +8
    "No state in the world has such a small life cycle of an officer ..."

    Let them come up with a more serious otmaz ... Not a single state in the world, like ours, treats its officers so casually - this is more believable.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 July 2013 22: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: studentmati
      .Not one state in the world, like ours, does not treat its officers so casually

      !good! Into the bullseye .., short but complete. drinks
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 21 July 2013 22: 46 New
        +3
        On our own, we will endure everything and always. soldier But the well-being of our families should be a priority of the State! drinks
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 21 July 2013 22: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: studentmati
          But the well-being of our families should be a priority of the State!

          Well, this is our constitution, together with its guarantor guarantees yes . Only now many of the state’s priorities were in the sticky hands of businessmen from commerce, alas and unfortunately.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 21 July 2013 23: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: studentmati
      Not a single state in the world, like ours, treats its officers so casually - this is more believable.

      Short and capacious. good It is worth adding that with the same age and service life of different branches of the armed forces terms This service can be VERY different. We have a retirement living in our courtyard, still quite a peppy grandfather. He retired at the deadline of ... 1985. Head of the Flotilla Orchestra. Pole and all the other buns. In that year, I only got starley (in the same garrison). And at 42 years old - clinical death. At the end of June they gathered, 30 years of graduation from the school. 18 people from almost 100 people graduating from our company were able to come. Someone is well preserved, although gray-haired are almost everything, others are already really old. Despite the fact that everyone - a little over a fifty. A decent number is already "on the other side" ... And how is it to calculate the maximum service life? This despite the fact that the screening for medical reasons at admission was very tough, and then they controlled pretty tightly.

      Well, what about caring for retirement, but what is the life of someone who has neither the money profession demanded by the citizen, nor the health for retraining and further career? Or the subsequent existence is solely the concern of someone who had stupidity in his youth to put on an officer’s epaulettes?
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 22 July 2013 00: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Well, what about caring for retirement, but what is the life of someone who has neither the money profession demanded by the citizen, nor the health for retraining and further career? Or the subsequent existence is solely the concern of someone who had stupidity in his youth to put on an officer’s epaulettes?


        They put epaulettes on orders .... We went on the upbringing of fathers and grandfathers .... We got a bullet by calling .... We get an assessment of the feat according to the "conscience" of the State. If you recall Lenin, then "The state is a suppression machine ...." What are we still waiting for?
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 22 July 2013 00: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        He retired by the deadline in ... 1985 year. Head of the Flotilla Orchestra. Pole and all the other buns.


        I hope that at least the person was decent ...
        In the NE there were "frames":
        Fatty ensigns having served almost everything that is possible, in the last year or two services moved from their warehouses by foremen to linear companies, in order to retire "in work with real personnel" on the 11-th grid, there is nowhere to go above.
        Oh and the workers were .................

        It happened that guys with disabilities received less than they retired, they collected everything under the net ....
        Everything was.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 22 July 2013 00: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          I hope that at least the person was decent ...
          So he is now. Nice guy, by the way. Most likely, I still survive ...
          But midshipman - this is a separate conversation, there were all kinds of things. Knew one, got more cruiser commander. True, he served for a long time and the number of autonomy he had already reached three dozen ... True, in one crew, though in one building, everything, but still the load depending on the position also decently differs ... wink
  14. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 21 July 2013 22: 40 New
    +6
    A rumor about this has been going on in the army for six months now.
    I have already spoken about this:
    FALSE.
    Now serve, then do not serve.

    Either they are thrown out of staff or squeezed into the reserve without a pension, then suddenly a shortage of officers.
    They do not gain in schools, now they increase the service life ....
    They would have finally decided - here or there, or something like that joke.

    Briefly explain the article: a lieutenant colonel could retire in 45 years, provided 25 "calendars" in the army, where 20 officers. The length of service (northern, Siberian, Ural, military) goes to increase pensions. This is generalized and rude (aviation in another way, the sailors - I do not know, the risk group is in its own way).
    Upon receiving the “Papakha” (Colonel), they could serve another five years.
    Now they will retire later.

    After all, the problem is not that, not to serve, many want to serve.
    The problem is constant uncertainty: either the pancake went to hell or the pancake Pasha from dawn to dawn. You plow and don’t know whether they’ll send it to hell tomorrow or not.
    Prepare for retirement - choose a place of residence, find a job, determine the education of children and other household crap.
    And now everything down the drain and serve further?
    Or did he go to hell?
    Of the officers always twitching dolls for experiments made.
    And all have destinies, families.
    They would have decided already and would have simply given a QUIET SERVICE.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 22 July 2013 01: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Now serve, then do not serve.

      You have correctly written everything !!!!
      + + + +
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 22 July 2013 02: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        all right


        Greetings, Alibek!
        I did not recognize without an avatar.
        hi

        Serve, do not serve - this is not so bad.
        One case:
        Combat battalion healed, returns to service.
        - you won’t get the battalion, we have a reorganization, the brigade is now, damn it. You won’t go to the academy, the orders were canceled.
        - OK, give me a company?
        - No, wishing to hell. By the way, you can quit or for staff.
        - I’m left until the retirement of 2, let me serve.
        - take a platoon.
        Now they say:
        - wanted to serve? You will serve for 5 years, the pension is not yet shining for you.
        - Give me a company?
        - No, there are no platoons and is not expected, there are no issues.
        He told a little exaggerated, only the essence. Do you think a lot depends on the "desire to serve"?

        And this is only one fate, and there are many and all are different.
        I DO NOT BELIEVE that the initiators of this decision suddenly became concerned about the money spent on training the officer corps.
        They are just trying to somehow gloss over the consequences of the destructive reform of the stool.
        And they solve this in the simplest way - at the expense of the fate of the officers themselves, increasing their service life.
        It's easier.
        Now look at the article from this angle. What the heck are worries about the army and professionalism, there are none. Just stupidly shifted to the shoulders of ordinary soldiers the problems of the entire army ...
  15. studentmati
    studentmati 21 July 2013 23: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    Only now many of the state’s priorities were in the sticky hands of businessmen from commerce, alas and unfortunately.

    Apparently for this reason the project "death in the service" is being pushed, can you name it in another way? Do you agree?
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  17. shpuntik
    shpuntik 21 July 2013 23: 25 New
    0
    Good initiative, plus an article. Yes, and I would be calmer if I had Kalashnikov (automatic laughing ) lay under the bed, legally, as in Switzerland.
  18. andreitk20
    andreitk20 21 July 2013 23: 52 New
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that the increase in monetary allowances led to the opposite effect, youth of 27-35 years old began to quit en masse, there is no replacement for them. In some parts, the vacancies of middle and junior composition are huge, the authorities refuse to be appointed to higher, although there are holes. One “Arbat okrug” is clogged, and they’re coming up with how to stop this shaft and solve the problem, so to speak.
  19. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 22 July 2013 00: 59 New
    +2
    After 2 months I’m 45, still not old, while I’m healthy (pah-pah-pah, so as not to jinx it), I have been in the army for almost 25 years. I filed a report on the extension of the contract, because I realize that I still have the strength to serve. I will not say that the ace is in everything, but if necessary, I can fix the car and drive the tank, I have a red diploma of the Siberian GUTI in the MTS specialty, and my hands seem to grow from where I need to. If there is a desire and there are no medical contraindications, what should be allowed to serve further. Moreover, I don’t have a job for a citizen - for most employers 45 years is the upper limit, in cities with these simpler, and in remote areas a huge problem. So I have both hands for such a bill!
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 22 July 2013 01: 09 New
      0
      You are a true patriot, I say without any irony! I believe that the whole problem is in sovereign people who cannot determine the needs of the army.
  20. rudolff
    rudolff 22 July 2013 01: 17 New
    +1
    Definitely FOR! To write off a highly skilled and experienced specialist in the prime of life is more than not reasonable!
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 22 July 2013 01: 26 New
      +1
      But venal commanders only use this in order to throw out an officer or ensign who has his own, often correct, opinion!
  21. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 22 July 2013 06: 44 New
    +1
    He graduated from NVVPOU and VUMO. He retired at 40 because of Taburetkin’s “reforms”. I do not regret it. I will return only in one case if the country is in danger.
    Sincerely.
  22. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 22 July 2013 07: 03 New
    +1
    Now the Armed Forces have turned into a FIRM FOR PREPARING HIGH-QUALIFIED PERSONNEL FOR A CITIZEN! Dates, of course, must be extended! How to provide an officer’s motivation - it’s preparation for courses in the appointment (there was such a trial practice of competitive appointment in the 80s) ... and changes in payment rates ... Now the “officer on the floor” receives much more for 8 hours of measured a business day with a lunch break and breaks guaranteed by the weekend than the "officer on the ground" for his "EIGHT-HOUR" working day - i.e. from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and often without lunch or weekends! But it should be the other way around. The whole burden of military service there, in units and subunits! Such a redistribution of the officer’s remuneration will lead to the fact that officers will be eager for organizational work ... and this will require them to monitor their physical fitness more ... and not turn into a walking beer barrel. In the 80s there was a commotion - the final verification began with physical training ... the personnel were built ... the first began the commander of the unit to hand over a set of exercises in the face of all subordinates ... behind him - his deputy. And believe me ... the leaders of the unit were very prepared for this !!! Nobody wanted to be dishonored! And everyone was fit and physically healthy, despite their age!
  23. individual
    individual 22 July 2013 07: 15 New
    +1
    Age is a cumulative concept.
    One has gained experience, knowledge - and he is forcibly removed from service to the cause of the army.
    Another has accumulated diseases and is waiting, it will not wait for the demobilization.
    Everything should be selective.
    At the age of 45-50, dismissing from service is a crime both against the state and the individual.
  24. dorogovvladimir2012
    dorogovvladimir2012 22 July 2013 07: 43 New
    +2
    If these clever men were put at the command post of a missile regiment (mine type) or missile division of the Strategic Missile Forces at the age of 45, and there majors and lieutenant colonels were on duty for 90-120 days a year, apparently a slightly different approach to determining the maximum service life would be proposed.
  25. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 July 2013 07: 49 New
    +2
    All this is idle chatter! I myself was a witness when a captain who had a brilliant character was dismissed from VV 3 years ago, so they did not even have a corresponding conversation with him in connection with the end of the contract. And they didn’t even send me to the medical board. And all this happened 3-4 years ago. But the most interesting thing started when the officer tried to return to the service, it turned out that nobody needed him, although 5 years and a lot of money were spent on him. All this is talk and regular reformer maneuvers. I do not believe in high words, especially from the lips of high leaders, I myself was thrown into nowhere at the age of 40.
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 July 2013 08: 01 New
    0
    Why take an example from someone (the West)? Our army won and will win! Those same Americans so far won only in action movies (the great power of art).
  27. dizelniy
    dizelniy 22 July 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    Serdyukov was tasked with destroying the remnants of the Soviet army; now there are not enough personnel.
    1. kind
      kind 22 July 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      We were dismissed in June this year due to organizational and regular activities. When they became registered with the military enlistment office, the military commissar asked, “Are you ready to call up for service in the coming year (naturally, at will)?”
      We asked him what was the matter? He replied that a large personnel pit was coming in the army, the “old” specialists were fired, the continuity of generations was broken, the youth did not seek to master the difficulties and escaped from the army, especially after they were told that due to the fact that there were no recruits was, will be in their primary positions for 5-7 years.
  28. shurup
    shurup 22 July 2013 08: 49 New
    0
    Whom to send to retirement and who not to retire is one of the tasks of the higher authorities, up to the president. But for this it is necessary to have a legislative framework for such a maneuver.
  29. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 22 July 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    Quote: c1n7
    Quote: VohaAhov
    Shoigu came. I saw all this and probably wept

    Reading you, I also almost cried. Is there really someone in this country who does not know that everything is decided by the Commander-in-Chief, and not Serdyukov and Shoigu ?!

    You are right - the decision is made by the Supreme, but the Minister of Defense and the NHS make proposals to him
  30. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 22 July 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    We need to think about the arrangement of retiring officers. Even at 45, it is very difficult to rebuild in order to find application for one's forces, which are still numerous, in civilian life. We are here as aliens. At 50, units can do this altogether. We need a program to create jobs specifically for officers laid off. If a person knows that there is a place for him in his civilian life, he will be able to decide whether to serve him further or leave. If he faces only a place in a security agency, then what choice can we talk about?
  31. Whale
    Whale 22 July 2013 12: 58 New
    -7
    Pensio suckers understand that they are unnecessary nikama popo hours sit out
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 22 July 2013 13: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Whale
      Pensio suckers understand that they are unnecessary nikama popo hours sit out

      "Wisdom usually comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone" (c)
  32. ZU-23
    ZU-23 22 July 2013 14: 47 New
    0
    everything is correct, otherwise I look at my former stupid perfumes, go underground in 36 years, they can even retire.
  33. pantech15
    pantech15 22 July 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    from my own experience I’ll say that normal officers without quotes by 45 run out of steam they say it themselves although they don’t give a look and only freeloaders cling to the place and excuse me for slang sublises that everyone is ready to give for a salary of 50t. instead of a pension of 18t. because people just don’t want to work and to a greater extent they don’t know how, and young people who are really literate after serving a little and not seeing growth prospects often go away, and about experience I stuttered when I introduced retirement counselors under Mebel’s cheek so in this I will support the “poor” man who girls come on
  34. captain
    captain 22 July 2013 20: 22 New
    0
    I don’t understand the people. Minimum 20 years (preferential) have not been canceled?