The maximum service life in the army will increase

The Russian Defense Ministry plans on July 22 to submit to the government a draft law on increasing the age limit for military service for five years, RIA quotes News Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation, Army General Nikolai Pankov.

"We will introduce a bill to increase the age limit for military servicemen," Pankov said at a meeting of the Public Council at the Russian Defense Ministry. He also noted that the ministry had been collecting comments on this document from the government and the public for more than a month. As a result, no critical comments were received.

"No state in the world has such a short life cycle of an officer: Major, Lieutenant Colonel - 45 years, Colonel - 50 years," said Pankov.

At the same time, he noted that in Russia officers are trained the longest - 9 years. Pankov thanked the members of the Public Council for conducting a public examination of this and other bills drafted by the RF Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[erix-xnumx]

9 years of training is obtained only when an officer, in addition to a military school, graduates from the "species" academy, and then the General Staff academy. These are the very minimum. Most do not enter a regular academy either. So the overwhelming majority study only 5 years in a military school. Well, maybe a few more months on some courses ..

[Very old]

And yet, Dmitry, the five-year mainly training of officers is not a reason to abandon their knowledge, experience and desire to serve

[zart_arn]

Generally, age limit is an idiotic concept. The limit should be well-designed exams in theoretical and physical preparation. Passed - serve at least until the age of 100, did not pass - at least at 25 - get out.

[Recon]

subscribe to your words. Exported if - why retire?

[nycsson]

Quote: zart_arn

Passed - serve at least until 100 years, did not pass - at least in 25 - get out.

Quote: Recon

subscribe to your words. Exported if - why retire?

There is such a thing in the army as an age group! In 25 years, the officer must pull himself up a number of times, since he is in the first group. And in 50 years, he should be able to jump on the horizontal bar and this will be enough, since he is in the 6 group !!!

[Nick]

Quote: nycsson

And at 50, he should be able to jump on the horizontal bar and this will be enough, since he is in the 6th group !!!

And during my military service, to us, conscripts who were 18-20 years old, a 45-year-old lieutenant colonel, checking from the department, showed the "sun" on the horizontal bar ... This is an officer! Such a lieutenant colonel can serve up to 60 years ...

[piter-tank]

The lieutenant colonel - well done, no doubt! But in a military man, everything should be harmonious. And now in VVUZ the surcharge for a "candidate of sciences" is 3000 rubles, and for excellent delivery of physical education - up to 20 a month. Question: what is the main function of the teacher of the VVUZ - to run like a horse or to develop a scientific thought?

[Nick]

Quote: piter-tank

now in VVUZah surcharge for a "candidate of sciences" 3000 rubles, and for excellent delivery of physical education - up to 20 per month. Question: what is the main function of the teacher of the Higher Educational Institution - to run like a horse or develop a scientific thought?

You are right, in this case, the allowances should be swapped ... But this is in this case, and somewhere physical training is important, but not to the detriment of the head of course ...

[Hunghuz]

The head marshal Taburetkin looked like he was jumping on furniture and pulling off at the Bap battalion))) but he didn’t see it on the horizontal bar, it’s hard for him to carry a vigorous suitcase .........)

[valokordin]

Quote: Hunghouse

The head marshal Taburetkin looked like he was jumping on furniture and pulling off at the Bap battalion))) but he didn’t see it on the horizontal bar, it’s hard for him to carry a vigorous suitcase .........)

Well, he was not a marshal, but a field marshal - he jumped on a stool, pulled on a defense service and you're ready. The Generalissimo knows who to bet.

[AleksUkr]

Accept the clarification - feld furniture. For the greater, he did not bother to get promoted.

[abrakadabre]

All right. However, if, suddenly, a person of the 6th group wants and can fulfill the standard of the 5th, 4th, 3rd groups, then it makes sense to stimulate him. It is clear that there will not be many of these.
But a flexible reward system will not be superfluous.

[Ivanovich47]

The age limit for an officer is not an "idiotic concept", but a tragedy!

[Col.]

Quote: zart_arn

The limit should be well-designed exams in theoretical and physical preparation.

And here is what Peter I thought about this:

Descendants to lowering
If the general or chief officer of the Russian army, in the service of the sovereign’s health, has spoiled his health, he has kept his mind and has never left his service, but with great diligence using the doctors, he’ll put him back on his feet.
For a sensible general or chief officer does not have strength in his legs and seat, but essence in the head and skills of the military.
Being a sophisticated experience, I know that d_urak health excellent Skoda can make great stupidity.
And according to this - it is better if the commander of Victoria is victorious without legs, than suffers without a head at the level of embarrassment, living in complete health. [/ B]

[abrakadabre]

Best statement on the problem. And fit into basic common sense.

[svp67]

Quote: zart_arn

Generally, age limit is an idiotic concept.

It becomes clear and meaningful when you understand that without this "" idiotic "concept" an officer can command a platoon - 15 ... 20 years, a company - 10 ... 15 and so on. The army is limited in the number of posts. So, it is one thing at the headquarters as a "letter-bearer" and a "hand as a driver" to arrive and go to service for hours, so you can serve up to 100 years, and another "in troops" and "with personnel" with irregular working hours, without a family ...

[erix-xnumx]

I am not talking about the need to abandon someone’s experience and knowledge. I’m saying that Comrade Pankov claims to have trained officers for 9 years as a mass phenomenon, but this is far from the case ... Well, besides, before Taburetkin, the normal practice of leaving the officer over the age limit worked, at his request . And there were a lot of such officers.

[domokl]

Quote: erix-06

I'm not talking about the need to abandon someone’s experience and knowledge

Guys, let's be honest. It’s certainly a shame to leave when there seems to be a lot of strength and age already. But the battalion commander, whom 50 cannot really command in battle, is just like young.
It seems to me that increasing the service life you need to really look at things. A service at the headquarters, a military registration and enlistment office, or somewhere else, where in the morning you are equal, the pens are quiet .. and the service is in combat units, with real soldiers, real physical training and real combat tasks should be separated.
It’s clear what caused these proposals. Well, there’s no conscript, military education has been destroyed. Only a long time ago this problem has been solved in some armies. Both by age and salary. In the same states, sergeant, a company foreman gets more money, than the staff colonel and retires 5 years earlier.

[Cyril7377]

I would like that the Ministry of Defense really cares about the personnel of the army and the need to be on the service of intelligent officers, and not like in the prosecutor's office or the court, where, in order to keep the old "honored leaders on legal grounds, the terms were increased to 65 years in the prosecutor's office and up to 70 years in court.

[svp67]

Quote: Cyril7377

I would like that the Ministry of Defense really cares about the personnel of the army and the need to be in the service of sensible officers, and not as in the prosecutor's office or court

And at this stage I would not mind that I, a pensioner of the Moscow Region, would be paid a pension according to the same criteria as military judges and prosecutors ...

[andrejwz]

Quote: domokl

Guys, let's be honest. It’s certainly a shame to leave when there seems to be a lot of strength and age already. But the battalion commander, whom 50 cannot really command in battle, is just like young.

Physiologically. First he thinks, then he makes a decision. Young, often, first makes a decision, and then thinks how to fix everything. If by the age of 50 an officer needs to rush around like an electric broom by the age of XNUMX, checking for everyone the correctness of performance, experiencing physical ailments, then the question of the expediency of his service should be raised in the definition of "yesterday

[svp67]

Quote: domokl

But the battalion commander, whom 50 cannot really command in battle, is just like a young

It is also good if the ComBat, and if the company commander, some kind of "fifteen-year-old captain"?

[Ghenxnumx]

I am sure that an increase in the service life is proposed exclusively for the general , but not for staff officers who really want to serve. As practice has shown, the general posts were almost not affected by the cuts that shocked our Army and Navy and the scythe passed just through the junior officers.

[Suhov]

Quote: Very old

five-year training of officers is not a good reason to abandon their knowledge, experience and desire to serve

With the thesis you have stated above, I completely agree.
But!!!
The article is about increasing retirement age for the military.
State Approach:
Senior Citizens - a burden,
Pensions are bad for the budget.
By increasing the retirement age of the military,
Managers will solve the task set for them.
Reduce the cost of maintaining military pensioners
by reducing the number of the above pensioners ...

I don’t know about you, but as for me, such a decision is somehow not very ...
One could say shorter
but in this case you cannot do without swear words.

[AleksUkr]

In fact, officers do not have such a thing as retirement age. The law on retirement benefits for military personnel speaks of the right to retirement benefits for a certain length of service. And it equals 20 years in calendar or preferential terms. The pension is 50%, plus 3% for each subsequent year. But not higher than 85%. There was a period when part of the pension was paid a certain length of service. Then all this was canceled. With an increase in the maximum service life for length of service over 32 years (in calendar or preferential terms), no pension will be accrued. Maybe these 5 years will be counted in the length of service after being fired as a citizen for accruing a second pension?

[rodz]

... Reduce the cost of maintaining military pensioners ...

not quite right, because if he is not a pensioner, but serves, it means he receives a monetary allowance, but it is higher than a pension ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: rodz

if he is not a pensioner, but serves, it means he receives a monetary allowance, but it is higher than a pension ...

Yes, but at the same time it SERVES, i.e. performs duties on the post. If the position has not been reduced, then you still need to keep someone on it, paying him this salary. Those. salary is paid for anyone, and pension is saved

[Suhov]

Quote: Misantrop

Those. salary is paid for anyone, and pension is saved

You are right.

If the lifespan is raised from 20 years to 50 years (exaggerate)
it can be great to save on pensions - there will be no pensioners!

- Effectively?
- Yes.
- Really?
- No.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Sukhov

If the lifespan is raised from 20 years to 50 years (exaggerate)
that you can save a lot on pensions - there will be no pensioners!

Already saved, even without increasing the service life. When retiring, most military pensioners out of habit register their receipt at a savings bank. The books last for about 5 years. Repeatedly I heard from the controllers of the savings bank that somewhere in one of the five the second is no longer making out, it just does not live to see the end of the first ...

[Ivanovich47]

He received a military education in the glorious HVAUS, then 5 years in RVVAIU them. J. Alksnis, it turns out 8 years without other academies ...

[erix-xnumx]

And why did two military schools finish?

[Ivanovich47]

How many "academies" did Brother Colonel finish?

[erix-xnumx]

Academy one.

[nycsson]

Yeah! Nowhere in the world do they take income tax from a military salary !!!

[Coward]

And you can link. Or is it an OBS?

[cosmos111]

The maximum service life can be increased. But not by decree or law. If the officer is physically and mentally healthy, he should be able to continue serving. As long as there is a desire to continue the service and until he misses the medical commission.
In other cases, this is similar to a law that can leave a retired officer without an honestly earned pension.

[Mikhail m]

Income tax goes to the local budget. The municipality must have at least something from the military, so that there is interest in the presence of units in their area.

[sprut]

And doctoral studies and doctoral studies?

[Ivanovich47]

I, the retired officer, bitterly read this article. Being retired and remaining in the system of the military department, I saw how young lieutenants who had just graduated from military schools and young colonels who had just received this high rank of the Russian army were thrown out of the army. Sometimes I thought, maybe this is general madness. Thank God. come to your senses! We realized that they overdid it. How many ruined, only nascent military destinies! And it turned out: young, overboard, and the elderly extend the service life! Everything is as always: we thought the best ... and the article is a plus. Let the people see what they are doing to the army.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Ivanovich47

young, overboard, and the elderly extend the service life!

This is the expected continuation of the "reform" (with the hands of Shoigu now), in which there is no thoughtfulness. There is nothing in place of the Soviet military school with the definition of a potential enemy, the military education system, and long-term plans for the development of military equipment and weapons. I honestly don’t understand.

[domokl]

Quote: Ivanovich47

. How many ruined, only nascent military destinies!

The fact is that young colonels are usually participants in hostilities. And you know very well that senior officers of this level are quite promising, but ... not sufficiently trained to bend. You yourself were in such a situation.
The dismissal was caused by just this. I won’t say anything about the lieutenants. I didn’t have practically such (specifics), but the captains left often. They were beautiful, smart, brazen military, having combat experience and military awards, but they left. It’s from such staff games more correct than intrigue.
Somehow I remembered the Lyube song now ...

[AleksUkr]

Everything according to Chernomyrdin ...

[valokordin]

Increasing the life of officers is correct, how many well-trained specialists in their prime are fired from service. However, it did not hinder to increase the service life of conscripts, for starters, to one and a half years. Even simple infantry must be fully operational. For sailors, tankers, artillerymen, and the Air Force, the service should last 2 years, cash allowance should be at least 5 thousand per month. And there will be no problems.

[Very old]

Rested in 1 year. And what to understand, what to learn in 1 year? Technique is only harder

[ando_bor]

My son served an urgent term, last week he quit, a company signalman in reconnaissance battalion, he had nothing to learn after three months of service, any one hundredth harder than military communications, and he mastered all the other soldier's wisdom for this period, after half a year when the young arrived, he taught, by the end service any tactical exercises for the commander of the department fulfilled. A year is quite enough if you are engaged in normal combat training.
If somewhere is not enough - contract soldiers.

[domokl]

Quote: ando_bor

, by the end of the service, he worked out any tactical exercises for the squad leader. A year is enough

You should write fantastic books. I will never believe that a soldier could become a practically ready squad leader without special training in six months. Even a well-trained sergeant after training will not be able to fully conduct tactical exercises.
So either you are disingenuous, or your son is a racket ... No offense, the topic is too serious

[abrakadabre]

You give a normal full-fledged NVP at school. And then you will be wrong. Absolutely. I was lucky - I had it all. And not for show. The NVP teacher was very enthusiastic.

[AleksUkr]

I agree to all 100%. To become a real squad leader - you need not only to study the materiel. A lot of trepulators got divorced. If this is so in practice, then this is our misfortune.

[ando_bor]

No offense. The guy has a higher education (almost two, did not manage to get a second diploma on the sidelines, half a year left, decided to join the army), category in mountaineering and hand-to-hand combat (not high), field experience (summer expeditions), before the army for a year He worked as an engineer.
Not all recruits are of this level, but there are enough of them and there are enough of them for squad leaders. The son was not a squad leader, but he did tactical exercises in the position of KO. In the company management department there were 4 conscripts, they recruited "horseless" ones and commanded the second half of the year in tactical exercises. No one will appoint him from the post of senior communications officer to KO.
Since training, they did not have sergeants, all of them were at home - the most trained soldier from the squad, in the second half of the year, (probably special classes for sergeants were conducted, I don't know for sure). From my own experience I will say DMB 85, ​​house sergeants are better (we had both of them), in the training they give "science" of course, but many are not suitable for moral and psychological factors for a sergeant position - all in a row without selection, who got into uchebka, in the unit such a sergeant will not become, and the "science" there is not cunning, it is mastered twice at a time.

[abrakadabre]

Himself served an urgent. And before that, the school had NVP lessons. And summer fees for 2-3 weeks two summers in a row. Normally taught.
So, having served urgent, I did not learn anything beyond the available after the NVP on combined arms training. Only in the telegraph operator’s specialty proper. Tortured STA-37. Who does not know - start-stop telegraph apparatus, model 37 years.
Well and still so, on trifles. But at school, military weapons were fired more often
On the combined arms level, sergeants had to tactfully prompt elementary things in the classroom: incomplete and complete disassembly of the AKM, the procedure for putting on and removing the OZK ... Tactically - so as not to spoil their authority and not get them in the eye for it. I am already silent about such delights as trenches of various profiles or how a compartment is deployed into a chain of columns. Well, in general, you understand ...

Summarizing: an idiot can be unsuccessfully taught all his life. To drill a normal person in a year. Moreover, all that about weapons is really interesting to the boys.

[Gato]

Quote: abrakadabre

but, having served an urgent service, he did not learn anything beyond what was available after the NVP for combined arms training. Only in the telegraph operator’s specialty proper. Tortured STA-37. Who does not know - start-stop telegraph apparatus, model 37 years.

Well, it's like someone is lucky. I served a term in 1986-88, after 1 year of university (students were then taken), I immediately got into a sergeant's training, they trained the heads of radio stations. They cooked with such intensity that their brains boiled. Then he got into the troops - a platoon of management of a separate road commandant battalion. And there is such a "variety" of technology
KShMki R-142, museum R-140, was even R-118B. I had to master it thoroughly. This is not to mention the P105 and P109, the work of which had to learn company ligaments.
Shooting was 2 times a month, and not only from the PM.
Then I also had to take part in the big exercises "Kavkaz-87".
All this is thanks to the battalion commander and the deputy who came with him, who had previously served together in Afghanistan.
By the way, after the exercises, the battalion commander received a hat and went on promotion (he then seemed 37 or 38).

[abrakadabre]

Who argues. I pressed more on the fact that they gave me so much at the school for military training that a significant part of the general training in the army was unnecessary and even lower in quality. And I can’t say that if I didn’t serve, all this knowledge would be a dead weight.
And there is a big reserve for optimization. In order for conscripts to undergo special training in the army.

[AleksUkr]

And you yourself served urgent? In Soviet times, ensigns were appointed commander of the T-80. And they did not consider themselves offended ...

[ando_bor]

By the way, he had 12000 cash allowance, and two salaries for demobilization.
In combat units (units in the Caucasus and abroad), conscripts receive a "bare" salary for contract soldiers, depending on the position that conscripts can actually hold, this is 10000-15000 rubles.

[nycsson]

Quote: ando_bor

By the way, he had 12000 cash allowance, and two salaries for demobilization.
In combat units (units in the Caucasus and abroad), conscripts receive a "bare" salary for contract soldiers, depending on the position that conscripts can actually hold, this is 10000-15000 rubles.

I have not read such tales for a long time !!!

[ando_bor]

Yes, such smiling "experts" rule even on quite adequate sites.
And where are the hamsters and hired, what's going on?

[AleksUkr]

Since 2013, servicemen who are on military service will receive a monthly salary of two thousand rubles.

The corresponding order of the Minister of Defense is No. 1717, this is a departmental document drawn up on the basis of a special decree of the president and the corresponding government decree regulating the size of the salary of military personnel. This was reported by RIA Novosti.

Order No. 1717 is dated July 6, 2012, increased allowances for military servicemen have already been counted or will be counted from January 1, 2013.

The order legalized new payments in the army, which have been carried out since January 2012 as an experiment to unify the monetary allowance of draftees.

For comparison, before the experiment, the ordinary shooter and cadet of the training unit were paid a thousand rubles, and the division commander was 1,4 thousand rubles a month.

According to the order, regardless of the position, rank and characteristics of service, soldiers, sergeants and foremen of military service will receive two thousand rubles a month.

The document says that two thousand rubles a month must be paid to cadets of military universities.

Deputy Minister of Defense Tatyana Shevtsova emphasized that a monthly two thousand rubles is the minimum that a conscript receives today.

Those who serve in the North Caucasus and outside of Russia receive more.

Their salary is like that of contract soldiers, they receive additional payments

According to the correspondents of "MIC", news agencies ARMS-TASS and Interfax-AVN
Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/2144

[s1н7т]

Quote: Very old

what to learn in 1 year? Technique is only harder

In my opinion, it’s not a matter of technology - it is often designed for use by an ordinary "user". And here's how they manage to do it in a year - to train and then to work b / g with this particular "user" as part of a detachment, company, battalion, brigade / division. Or do they think that if each individual soldier is just an ace in his technique, then the brigade / division / army is combat-ready ?! Masters in a team do not automatically make it a team of masters, in my opinion.

[nycsson]

Quote: valokordin

Improving the life of officers is correct,

No, it’s not right! Do you think that they simply send 45 years to the reserve from the army? It’s much more complicated than a civilian. An officer by this age is exhausting his potential!

Quote: valokordin

cash allowance must be at least 5thousand per month.

Nonsense! It will be too expensive for our economy!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: nycsson

Do you think that with the army just like that in 45 years they are sent to the reserve? It’s much more complicated than a civilian. An officer by this age is exhausting his potential!

There is such a letter. The calculation is made for a reason.
I know by hearsay, my father retired as a lieutenant colonel.
Not so simple.

[Gato]

Quote: Aleks tv

There is such a letter. The calculation is made for a reason.

Of course, not just. There is still such a thing as frame updates. Roughly speaking, how many years will be company, deputies, etc., if the battalion commander is 50?

[domokl]

Quote: nycsson

An officer by this age is exhausting his potential!

I agree. In combat units (unless of course it is the company commander, battalion unit, and not the commander of the regiment division), he will not be able to fully command.
But there is also a military education system, the MOVU, and other kakranadashnyh duty stations. Why not transfer there? And then we are jackets to lieutenant colonel in military commissariats ...

[valokordin]

Quote: nycsson

Nonsense! It will be too expensive for our economy!

More expensive for our economy to feed someone else's army.

[nov_tech.vrn]

leave 25 years of service after which you can quit as according to the maximum service life and allow it to be renewed according to the results of the medical commission, and not as an exception, about the sixth group I can argue that it is not more common in older age groups than in others, but the standards, if necessary can be corrected in the direction of complication, in any case, "limited suitability" for serving officers, a reason for not extending the contract.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

There is such a profession to defend the homeland !!! How many Soviet, Russian officers have you experienced and are undergoing all sorts of reforms .. May God all settle down .. For you all the hope of Russia ..!

[Ppsh]

I believe that the officer should have a choice. If you want, go to retire at 45, if you want to serve, please.

[Garrin]

Quote: PPSh

I believe that the officer should have a choice. If you want, go to retire at 45, if you want to serve, please.

I agree. Most of the officer corps go to the army by vocation and now, at the peak of their professional uniforms, people are fired for age qualifications. A differentiated approach is needed, which would take into account the track record, the level of professionalism and the desire of the serviceman himself.

[grafrozow]

Quote: PPSh

I believe that the officer should have a choice. If you want, go to retire at 45, if you want to serve, please.

Yes, just to leave the pension.

Quote: Very old

Rested in 1 year. And what to understand, what to learn in 1 year? Technique is only harder

2a years of conscription service must be returned, and DOSAAF revived, at school not OBZH, but NVP.

[a.hamster55]

In technically complex military professions, everything rests on the officers. And the captains are the most useful - there is already experience and there is energy for growth. And for conscripts I glued stickers with the number of the on-off order (green and red) and you know they pulled me out of the house less. Before checking this tree had to be disassembled. For motorized rifles, a year of service is enough - but it’s service.

[Alan]

Never put so many pluses; almost everyone - I think because the majority survived everything on their own "skin".

[VAF]

Quote: Alan

I think because the majority survived everything on their own skin.

Well then, and you hold + !!!

[Tersky]

Quote: vaf

Well then, and you hold + !!!

Sergey, ! plus all, the people say that ... !

[baytygan]

they only care not about the country's defense capability, but about pension payments ...

[mr.Man]

Every military civilian thinks about life in old age after service-work.
The country's defense is not always young 20-year-olds keep up ...

[VohaAhov]

The wonderful Serdyukov dispersed a large number of officers from the army. There were no enrollments in schools for three years. We have a big "... opu" in matters of staffing the army with officers. Shoigu came. I saw it all and, probably, shed a tear. Now we are trying to catch up. At least somehow keep the rest. Even such a category of officers as "zashtatniks" are now being dismissed with a creak.

[s1н7т]

Quote: VohaAhov

Shoigu came. I saw all this and probably wept

Reading you, I also almost cried. Is there really someone in this country who does not know that everything is decided by the Commander-in-Chief, and not Serdyukov and Shoigu ?!

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: VohaAhov

Even such a category of officers as "zashtatniks" are now being dismissed with a creak.

Not with a creak, but with a whistle !!!

[faraon]

The army must be returned to the basic principles + contract soldiers. The fighter should be ready at any time to stand up to defend the borders. The training should take place properly, I agree that the army is not for everyone, but after passing 1 year of service, it is necessary to constantly test fighters for professional the suitability of the military profession of the army you need. In the second year to equip the units with selected soldiers, but who is not able to bear the hardships and deprivations of military service (and such will be) provide service on an alternative basis. (Social institutions). At the end of a two-year service, transfer more qualified specialists to contract service with the corresponding social benefits, as well as the opportunity to protect the army to get a higher education, even in the civilian or military spheres, with subsequent training in the army. motivation to serve in combat units. ) Do not shrug off this experience - you need to take the best that is in the armies of other countries. Because you need to take into account the conditions of a future war, it will be fought by small units striking in the rear. And also take into account the technological equipment in the army that can carry out military operations at a greater distance .

[s1н7т]

Quote: faraon

After all, it is necessary to take into account the conditions of a future war, it will be waged by small units striking in the rear.

Where such confidence? Far from being a fact. Different "scenarios" are possible in different theaters. This is the minimum.

[s1н7т]

In my opinion, the maximum service life should be determined by the ability and willingness of the officer. And mechanically one size fits all - wrong. Those. so - a colonel, for example, must serve up to 50 (if he has everything in a "bundle"), and then he can decide whether to stay or leave.

[faraon]

Quote: c1n7

In my opinion, the maximum service life should be determined by the ability and willingness of the officer. And mechanically one size fits all - wrong. Those. so - a colonel, for example, must serve up to 50 (if he has everything in a "bundle"), and then he can decide whether to stay or leave.

I completely agree with you, I just want to add on all questions. Armies need real colonels and not parquet, Welcome to the status of an officer, no leave, give way to others. There should be no random people in the army, and ballast. And you need an officer corps corresponding to this high status. (Servant to the king, father to the soldiers)

[studentmati]

"No other state in the world has such a short life cycle of an officer ..."

Let them come up with a more serious otmaz ... Not a single state in the world, like ours, treats its officers so casually - this is more believable.

[Tersky]

Quote: studentmati

.Not one state in the world, like ours, does not treat its officers so casually

!! Into the bullseye .., short but complete.

[studentmati]

On our own, we will endure everything and always. But the well-being of our families should be a priority of the State!

[Tersky]

Quote: studentmati

But the well-being of our families should be a priority of the State!

Well, this is our constitution, together with its guarantor guarantees . Only now many of the state’s priorities were in the sticky hands of businessmen from commerce, alas and unfortunately.

[Misantrop]

Quote: studentmati

Not a single state in the world, like ours, treats its officers so casually - this is more believable.

Short and capacious. It is worth adding that with the same age and service life of different branches of the armed forces terms this service can be VERY different. In our yard there is a retiree who is still quite a cheerful grandfather. He retired on a deadline in ... 1985. Head of the orchestra of the flotilla. Polar and all other goodies. That year I only received the starley (in the same garrison). And at 42 years old - clinical death. At the end of June they gathered, 30 years of graduation from the school. 18 people from almost 100 graduates of our company were able to come. Some are well preserved, although almost all are gray-haired, others are already really old people. Despite the fact that all - a little over fifty dollars. And a decent number is already "on the other side" ... And how can you calculate the maximum service life? This is despite the fact that the screening out for medical reasons upon admission was very tough, and then it was controlled quite tightly.

Well, what about caring for retirement, but what is the life of someone who has neither the money profession demanded by the citizen, nor the health for retraining and further career? Or the subsequent existence is solely the concern of someone who had stupidity in his youth to put on an officer’s epaulettes?

[studentmati]

Quote: Misantrop

Well, what about caring for retirement, but what is the life of someone who has neither the money profession demanded by the citizen, nor the health for retraining and further career? Or the subsequent existence is solely the concern of someone who had stupidity in his youth to put on an officer’s epaulettes?

They put on shoulder straps by order .... We went on the attack to educate fathers and grandfathers .... We got a bullet by vocation .... We get an assessment of the feat according to the "conscience" of the State. If we recall Lenin, then "the State is a machine of suppression ...." What are we still waiting for?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Misantrop

He retired by the deadline in ... 1985 year. Head of the Flotilla Orchestra. Pole and all the other buns.

I hope that at least the person was decent ...
There were "personnel" in the SV:
Fat ensigns having served almost everything they can, in the last year or two, the services moved from their warehouses as foremen to line companies, Schaub to retire "in working with real personnel" on the 11th grid, there is nowhere higher.
Oh and the workers were .................

It happened that guys with disabilities received less than they retired, they collected everything under the net ....
Everything was.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Aleks tv

I hope that at least the person was decent ...

So he is now. Nice guy, by the way. Most likely, I still survive ...
But midshipman - this is a separate conversation, there were all kinds of things. Knew one, got more cruiser commander. True, he served for a long time and the number of autonomy he had already reached three dozen ... True, in one crew, though in one building, everything, but still the load depending on the position also decently differs ...

[Aleks tv]

A rumor about this has been going on in the army for six months now.
I have already spoken about this:
FALSE.
Now serve, then do not serve.

Either they are thrown out of staff or squeezed into the reserve without a pension, then suddenly a shortage of officers.
They do not gain in schools, now they increase the service life ....
They would have finally decided - here or there, or something like that joke.

Briefly explain the article: a lieutenant colonel could retire in 45 years, provided 25 "calendars" in the army, where 20 officers. The length of service (northern, Siberian, Ural, military) goes to increase pensions. This is generalized and rude (aviation in another way, the sailors - I do not know, the risk group is in its own way).
Upon receiving the “Papakha” (Colonel), they could serve another five years.
Now they will retire later.

After all, the problem is not that, not to serve, many want to serve.
The problem is constant uncertainty: either the pancake went to hell or the pancake Pasha from dawn to dawn. You plow and don’t know whether they’ll send it to hell tomorrow or not.
Prepare for retirement - choose a place of residence, find a job, determine the education of children and other household crap.
And now everything down the drain and serve further?
Or did he go to hell?
Of the officers always twitching dolls for experiments made.
And all have destinies, families.
They would have decided already and would have simply given a QUIET SERVICE.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Aleks tv

Now serve, then do not serve.

You have correctly written everything !!!!
+ + + +

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Yarbay

all right

Greetings, Alibek!
I did not recognize without an avatar.


Serve, do not serve - this is not so bad.
One case:
Combat battalion healed, returns to service.
- you won’t get the battalion, we have a reorganization, the brigade is now, damn it. You won’t go to the academy, the orders were canceled.
- OK, give me a company?
- No, wishing to hell. By the way, you can quit or for staff.
- I’m left until the retirement of 2, let me serve.
- take a platoon.
Now they say:
- wanted to serve? You will serve for 5 years, the pension is not yet shining for you.
- Give me a company?
- No, there are no platoons and is not expected, there are no issues.
He told a little exaggerated, only the essence. Do you think a lot depends on the "desire to serve"?

And this is only one fate, and there are many and all are different.
I DO NOT BELIEVE that the initiators of this decision suddenly became concerned about the money spent on training the officer corps.
They are just trying to somehow gloss over the consequences of the destructive reform of the stool.
And they solve this in the simplest way - at the expense of the fate of the officers themselves, increasing their service life.
It's easier.
Now look at the article from this angle. What the heck are worries about the army and professionalism, there are none. Just stupidly shifted to the shoulders of ordinary soldiers the problems of the entire army ...

[studentmati]

Quote: Tersky

Only now many of the state’s priorities were in the sticky hands of businessmen from commerce, alas and unfortunately.

Apparently for this reason, the project "death in service" is being pushed, you can't name it otherwise? Do you agree?

[shpuntik]

Nice start, plus an article. Yes, and I would be calmer if I had a Kalashnikov (automatic ) lay under the bed, legally, as in Switzerland.

[andreitk20]

The most interesting thing is that the increase in monetary allowances led to the opposite effect, young people of 27-35 years old began to quit en masse, there is no substitute for them. In some parts, the vacancies of the middle and junior staff are huge, the bosses refuse to be appointed to higher levels, although there are holes there. One "Arbat district" has been hammered, so they figure out how to stop this shaft, to solve the problem, so to speak.

[Old warrant officer]

After 2 months I’m 45, still not old, while I’m healthy (pah-pah-pah, so as not to jinx it), I have been in the army for almost 25 years. I filed a report on the extension of the contract, because I realize that I still have the strength to serve. I will not say that the ace is in everything, but if necessary, I can fix the car and drive the tank, I have a red diploma of the Siberian GUTI in the MTS specialty, and my hands seem to grow from where I need to. If there is a desire and there are no medical contraindications, what should be allowed to serve further. Moreover, I don’t have a job for a citizen - for most employers 45 years is the upper limit, in cities with these simpler, and in remote areas a huge problem. So I have both hands for such a bill!

[studentmati]

You are a true patriot, I say without any irony! I believe that the whole problem is in sovereign people who cannot determine the needs of the army.

[rudolff]

Definitely FOR! To write off a highly skilled and experienced specialist in the prime of life is more than not reasonable!

[studentmati]

But venal commanders only use this in order to throw out an officer or ensign who has his own, often correct, opinion!

[JIaIIoTb]

Graduated from NVVPOU and VUMO. He quit at 40 because of Taburetkin's "reforms". I don’t regret it. I will be back only in one case, if the country is in danger.
Sincerely.

[KazaK Bo]

Now the Armed Forces have turned into a FIRM FOR TRAINING HIGHLY QUALIFIED STAFF FOR A CITIZEN! The deadlines definitely need to be extended! How to ensure the motivation of an officer is training in courses for appointment to a position (there was such a trial practice of competitive appointment in the 80s) ... and changes in payment rates ... Now the "officer on the floor" gets much more in 8 hours of measured a working day with a lunch break and smoke breaks, guaranteed days off than an "officer on the ground" for his "EIGHT" working day - that is, from 8 am to 8 pm and often without lunch and days off! But it should be the other way around. The whole burden of military service is there, in units and subunits! Such a redistribution of the officer's salary will lead to the fact that officers will rush to organize work ... and this will require them to monitor their physical condition more ... and not turn into a walking beer keg. In the 80s, there was a fad - the final verification began with physical training ... the personnel were built ... the first commander of the unit began to hand over a set of exercises in front of all subordinates ... his deputies followed him. And believe me ... the leaders of the unit were very prepared for this !!! Nobody wanted to be dishonored! And everyone was fit and physically healthy, despite their age!

[individual]

Age is a cumulative concept.
One has gained experience, knowledge - and he is forcibly removed from service to the cause of the army.
Another has accumulated diseases and is waiting, it will not wait for the demobilization.
Everything should be selective.
At the age of 45-50, dismissing from service is a crime both against the state and the individual.

[dorogovvladimir2012]

If these clever men were put at the command post of a missile regiment (mine type) or missile division of the Strategic Missile Forces at the age of 45, and there majors and lieutenant colonels were on duty for 90-120 days a year, apparently a slightly different approach to determining the maximum service life would be proposed.

[kartalovkolya]

All this is idle chatter! I myself was a witness when a captain who had a brilliant character was dismissed from VV 3 years ago, so they did not even have a corresponding conversation with him in connection with the end of the contract. And they didn’t even send me to the medical board. And all this happened 3-4 years ago. But the most interesting thing started when the officer tried to return to the service, it turned out that nobody needed him, although 5 years and a lot of money were spent on him. All this is talk and regular reformer maneuvers. I do not believe in high words, especially from the lips of high leaders, I myself was thrown into nowhere at the age of 40.

[Gardamir]

Why take an example from someone (the West)? Our army won and will win! Those same Americans so far won only in action movies (the great power of art).

[dizelniy]

Serdyukov was tasked with destroying the remnants of the Soviet army; now there are not enough personnel.

[kind]

We were dismissed in June of this year for organizational and regular activities. When we were registered at the military registration and enlistment office, the military commissar asked - "Are you ready to be called up for service in the coming year (naturally, at will)?"
We asked him what was the matter? He replied that a large personnel pit is coming in the army, the "old men" -specialists have been fired, the continuity of generations has been broken, the youth does not seek to master difficulties and runs away from the army, especially after they were told that due to the fact that it was, you will be in your primary positions for 5-7 years.

[shurup]

Whom to send to retirement and who not to retire is one of the tasks of the higher authorities, up to the president. But for this it is necessary to have a legislative framework for such a maneuver.

[VohaAhov]

Quote: c1n7

Quote: VohaAhov

Shoigu came. I saw all this and probably wept

Reading you, I also almost cried. Is there really someone in this country who does not know that everything is decided by the Commander-in-Chief, and not Serdyukov and Shoigu ?!

You are right - the decision is made by the Supreme, but the Minister of Defense and the NHS make proposals to him

[Mikhail m]

We need to think about the arrangement of retiring officers. Even at 45, it is very difficult to rebuild in order to find application for one's forces, which are still numerous, in civilian life. We are here as aliens. At 50, units can do this altogether. We need a program to create jobs specifically for officers laid off. If a person knows that there is a place for him in his civilian life, he will be able to decide whether to serve him further or leave. If he faces only a place in a security agency, then what choice can we talk about?

[Whale]

Pensio suckers understand that they are unnecessary nikama popo hours sit out

[Misantrop]

Quote: Whale

Pensio suckers understand that they are unnecessary nikama popo hours sit out

"Wisdom usually comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone" (c)

[ZU-23]

everything is correct, otherwise I look at my former stupid perfumes, go underground in 36 years, they can even retire.

[pantech15]

from my own experience I will say this is normal officers without quotes to 45 fizzle out, they say it themselves, although they do not pretend and only freeloaders cling to the place and excuse the slang of suckers who are ready to pay everything for a salary of 50t. instead of a pension of 18t. since people simply do not want to work, and to a greater extent they do not know how, and young personnel who are really competent after serving a little and not seeing growth prospects often leave, but as for the experience, they stuttered so much under Mebelchek to introduce advisers to pensioners so in this I will support the "poor" person girls are hoping

[captain]

I don’t understand the people. Minimum 20 years (preferential) have not been canceled?