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In the mockery of recruits suspect the bride of the Hero of Russia, who died saving soldiers

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A female officer is suspected of bullying recruits. The scandal broke out after the video appeared on the Internet, made, according to preliminary data, in one of the garrisons of the Amur Region. The case received special resonance after it became known: Olga Ovcharenko, the bride of Major Sergei Solnechnikov, who was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Russia, may appear before the court.


A female officer is suspected of bullying recruits. The scandal broke out after the video appeared on the Internet, made, according to preliminary data, in one of the garrisons of the Amur Region. The case received special resonance after it became known: Olga Ovcharenko, the bride of Major Sergei Solnechnikov, who was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Russia, may appear before the court.



Military prosecutors conduct pre-investigation checks on video from the Internet. If they prove that this is not a dramatization, and they find a slender blonde - a commander, who has struck the soldier with a foot in the head, she is unlikely to get off with a reprimand.

Meanwhile, the majority of those serving in the army say: on the frames, ordinary everyday life in the barracks. "What kind of hazing is there! And how else can you make warriors from one jerk in one year? Maybe they should also wipe their ass? I myself served in the Soviet army 2 of the year and only after a year began to understand what service is," writes one of social networks Alexey Yakovlev.

Girls-commanders, and even such, in the army is clearly a bit. But the main noise arose because of the signature made by the author of the video. He explicitly states: "The video was filmed in Belogorsk, Amur Region. In the video, an officer beats up a soldier. This is the bride of the Hero of Russia Solnechnikov."

In fact, the author directly blames the mockery of 25-year-old Olga Ovcharenko for recruits, who in the rank of lieutenant and as a company commander really serves in the 53790 unit in the Amur Region. Olga became widely known as the bride of officer Sergei Solnechnikov, at the cost of his life saved soldiers from death and was awarded posthumously the Star of Hero. One of the soldiers while studying unsuccessfully threw a grenade, and she fell back into the trench. The battalion commander, Major Sergey Solnechnikov, closed the charge with his body and died.

Olga’s interview to Channel One immediately after the death of Major Solnechnikov: “What kind of person should be, so that at such a moment you don’t have to think about running (the person’s usual reaction) to fall. He didn’t think about it, he thought about which carries. "

Sergey's heroism and the tragedy of Olga left no one indifferent. The more resonance caused the movie by the author, who accuses Olga of harassment of recruits. Sergey's parents, who consider Olga to be a member of their family, say: she is not capable of such a thing. “She didn’t do that. Maybe there is some kind of a hidden fight going on, because she was recently appointed to the position of company commander,” says Sergey’s father, Alexander Solnechnikov.

Lt. Ovcharenko herself declined to comment. Meanwhile, the Military Prosecutor's Office in the Amur Region, recently announced that even before the appearance of the video on the Web, a criminal case was opened against Lieutenant Ovcharenko on the fact of violence against two private soldiers of her company.

"The fault of the first was that he did not have time to follow the instructions of the officer preparing the outline for the lessons in the company for her, the second - hemmed the turn-down with green, not white, threads. In addition, the officer forced the private, dressed in a general protective suit and a gas mask, take an emphasis lying down and start push-ups from the floor. Some time later, Ovcharenko pulled off the rubber mask of the gas mask and sharply let it go, which caused the slave physical pain and suffering ", said the senior investigator of the Chief Military Officer Investigation Department of the RF IC Yevgenia Maltseva.

In the video, something similar happens. In social networks, this was noted by many: "What kind of upbringing is imparted to a recruit through a kick by an officer's boot? The mentality of a beaten dog is imparted to him. Especially if the kick is from a woman. So he will run from the battlefield, like a beaten dog, tail turned."

However, the conclusions are now only at the level of emotions. The guilt or not guilt of Olga Ovcharenko can only be proved by the court, and now the investigation is underway. But the saddest thing is that there are a lot of videos about bullying military personnel. But they almost do not pay attention, most likely because they do not have slender blondes.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 19 July 2013 06: 58 New
    11
    I watched the TV commercial. The commander is obliged to seek the fulfillment of the order. Is it interesting that they would write if they saw the preparation of special forces for hand-to-hand combat or survival exercises? What I saw, well, does not fit the mockery. Education. Hard, but training.
    1. Shumka
      Shumka 19 July 2013 07: 08 New
      +3
      I agree. Honestly, this co-operation has gotten, in general, the soldiers are at war and may die, and if a soldier is dealt with, the chances of dying are many times higher. It seems to me that the army is slipping to the level of tolerance. Pederasty, or rather it wants to be brought up to that level. Oh, they smacked a gas mask, oh, the emphasis on lying was accepted, but for me the emphasis on lying fell like our Father was.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 30 New
        15
        Quote: Shumka
        , yes bl * for me the emphasis fell lying as our Father was.

        For us, too, but the orders of the officers were carried out if he did not have time to slip. An officer beating his soldiers at risk in the database to get a bullet in the back.
      2. Hon
        Hon 19 July 2013 08: 11 New
        14
        It’s just not clear how the IDF manages to fight without such commanders; in theory, the Jews should be gouging for a long time, but still.
      3. Hon
        Hon 19 July 2013 08: 15 New
        +9
        Quote: Shumka
        Oh oh gas mask spanked

        And with dag, could she have turned such a trick?
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        2. Scoun
          Scoun 19 July 2013 10: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Hon
          And with dag, could she have turned such a trick?

          Imha.
          This question should be asked to this woman to the lieutenant.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 19 July 2013 13: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Scoun
            Quote: Hon
            And with dag, could she have turned such a trick?

            Imha.
            This question should be asked to this woman to the lieutenant.


            Rather dagu laughing I suspect that for him this is not a question just laughing ... I would wait for such a commander and put a stool on his head, instead of a hat ... or else a clever bl. found feet banging on the head.
        3. cosmos111
          cosmos111 19 July 2013 10: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Hon
          And with dag, could she have turned such a trick?

          I answer again, no, I couldn’t. He showed active self-defense and any Russian court fully acquitted him.
          But if in the Russian army the women beat the soldier. There is no where to go, the last degree of degradation in the army.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 July 2013 10: 24 New
            +3
            And how do you determine who is a fighter in the UPC by nationality?
            1. Hon
              Hon 19 July 2013 10: 31 New
              +8
              Quote: Spade
              And how do you determine who is a fighter in the UPC by nationality?

              Lingering time showed that officers of the Caucasian nationality did not touch the officers, because they were afraid for their own skin. Caucasians are harnessed for their own in any situation, and at the very first kipis they write applications to the prosecutor's office.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 19 July 2013 11: 08 New
                +1
                No, it was not time that showed you, but the Internet. Which describes exclusively such cases.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 19 July 2013 11: 36 New
                  +1
                  And friends upon returning from service fully confirmed that, as a rule, all my judgments are added when communicating with people and not when reading in a pack in nete.
                2. cosmos111
                  cosmos111 19 July 2013 11: 44 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Spade
                  No, it showed you not the time, but the Internet

                  This was shown to me by time. The officers didn’t touch the Caucasians, they were afraid of their arrogance. And they wet the Russians and didn’t piss for that. And how to fight, Vanya, you don’t get any trouble.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 July 2013 12: 06 New
                    +1
                    Strange, but your stories are fundamentally different from the reality that I had the opportunity to observe.
        4. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 19 July 2013 11: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Hon
          And with dag, could she have turned such a trick?

          Russian, too, would not tolerate. And the one whom they spanked by nationality mumble.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 08 New
      35
      Quote: domokl
      What I saw, well, does not fit the mockery. Education. Hard, but training.

      Hello Sasha! If a woman lupanulized me while serving in the service, I would not serve. One demobilization case is being beaten by you and a completely different officer, and even a woman. We got one starley captain, so they got drunk in the evening and returned from the dining room and I was on their way. I’ve got this yesterday’s starley with words, but you don’t congratulate me, you slapped me right in the nose. I didn’t answer anything, I just drove him in from the foot in the face, and I got so right in my ear laughing Others rushed to separate, but more than one officer didn’t even go to me to drink. And he would have smeared him. I would not have looked that woman. I chose the service, let it serve. If the soldiers listen to the officer, only from under the kick, then such an officer has no authority and he doesn’t do hell in the army. let him sit at home and give birth to children.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 19 July 2013 07: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .And I would have smacked it would not look that woman.

        Sasha hi ! And he would be right, she is an officer in the service, a woman she is at home ... What about driving the spirit of a warrior with "green", all this is garbage, not for a year or two not to instill it - a warrior is brought up to be a warrior with milk teeth.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: Tersky
          , she’s an officer in the service, she’s a woman at home ...

          Yes, what an officer, she decided to play a demobilization. Hello Vit hi
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 19 July 2013 07: 53 New
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, what kind of officer, she decided to play demobilization.


            She dropped the honor of the rank of Russian officer and she does not belong in the army. Greetings to Alexander. hi
            1. bistrov.
              bistrov. 19 July 2013 09: 32 New
              -3
              Quote: Apollon
              She dropped the honor of the rank of Russian officer and she does not belong in the army. Greetings to Alexander

              I do not agree with you gentlemen. Why was this private sitting and not following the general command? I've seen such "cool" and more than once. After the first slap in the face, it immediately became silk. And did Lieutenant Ovcharenko hit this apparently provocateur. So "smeared" slightly, why, they say, do not you do it? And most likely it was probably a setup, especially since the video was filmed. Apparently someone really needed to compromise the demanding officer. As for the rest of the "violations", then we need to figure it out. No one is allowed to violate discipline, hem with green thread, perform poorly on exercises, etc. For this, these careless "warriors" received the suggestion. This cannot be considered an insult at all. The lieutenant was engaged in a very effective education of her subordinates, for what, then, they should be fired from the army, on the contrary, you need to set as an example such a decisive officer. And then they turned the army into an institution of noble maidens, made officers out of muslin young ladies who run from the soldier, do not know which side to approach him, and then we wonder where did we get hazing? By the way, have you read the charter? What about the point where it says that the commander is obliged to take all measures to carry out his orders, up to the use of weapons? Or will you now start talking about the wrong circumstances, the wrong situation? Well, wait for the circumstances when your soldiers will again run away from the enemy to Stalingrad. An army is an ARMY under all circumstances, and a commander is a COMMANDER under all circumstances!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 09: 40 New
                +7
                Quote: bistrov.
                I do not agree with you gentlemen. Why did this private sitting and not execute the general command?

                Because the video is unstoppable!
                Quote: bistrov.
                And did Lieutenant Ovcharenko hit this, apparently, provocateur.

                Leitenant Ovcharenko, was engaged in ordinary hazing and no more.
                Quote: bistrov.
                Did you read the charter by the way?

                Where the charter says that an officer should beat a soldier and not be engaged in his own business. In fact, there is an increase in official authority. I didn’t fulfill the order, get an outfit, a penalty, a kitsch. You are far from the charter.
                1. bistrov.
                  bistrov. 19 July 2013 10: 25 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Where the charter says that an officer should beat a soldier and not be engaged in his own business.

                  Did the lieutenant beat him? There are beatings, injuries? Where is the certificate of medical examination? Then, why is it not your business? Isn't the education of his subordinates the MAIN business of an officer? What is the excess of authority? Officer, the company commander has no right to conduct classes with subordinates? What are you babbling about? What is this "kicha"? Are you in jail? This is the right of the boss, what punishment to apply to the guilty person and it is up to him to decide, even if the punishment is not statutory. You are far from the charter. A former political officer, perhaps? These are the ones who "started talking" the whole army, as a result we have what we have.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 10: 30 New
                    +3
                    Quote: bistrov.

                    Did the lieutenant beat him? Are there beatings, injuries? Where is the certificate of medical examination? Then, how is it not their business?

                    No, you’re definitely her lawyer wassat I’ll tell you so, good at demagogy! In fact the abuse of authority and the fact on the video. All the best hi
                    1. bistrov.
                      bistrov. 19 July 2013 11: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      All the best

                      Have a nice one you too!
                    2. StolzSS
                      StolzSS 19 July 2013 21: 22 New
                      0
                      I think this is not a fact at all since an examination of a video on vryatli will show with 100 percent accuracy that it was she who kicked someone. So that's all for now speculation hi
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 22 July 2013 00: 20 New
                0
                Quote: bistrov.
                So "smeared" slightly, why, they say, do not you do it?
                - Yes, because in another way she does not know how. laughing This is a cross between the mashashi-geri from kara-te and the low-kick from Thai boxing, and it is performed at an extremely low technical level, with such a technique it will not work differently laughing Believe me, there would be an opportunity - it would have hit harder, but the level of technical training let us down laughing Her hand-to-hand trainer is an extreme minus, with such a technique she has only 18 snotty to beat on the head - they already cannot answer. And let's say with such a "low-kick" trying to get me (in his youth he loved to grab the top - and immediately into a fight, he is sinful) is guaranteed to be left without a leg.
                So to justify the fact that she hit so-so does not channel - here she just does not know how otherwise laughing More precisely, I could have used football too, but it’s not technical, since the coach taught laughing
        2. Alexei
          Alexei 19 July 2013 07: 39 New
          +5
          Beat the woman with a hammer - the woman will be gold! winked What kind of commander is she doing there? Who allowed? fool
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 July 2013 08: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexej
            What kind of commander is she doing there? Who allowed?

            Hello from stool
            1. little man
              little man 19 July 2013 09: 35 New
              0
              good witty and topical
      2. Shumka
        Shumka 19 July 2013 07: 26 New
        +5
        My ripper broke his ribs, but for the case (he let an outsider into the residence), and so they called me ***** lol
        Ps. Broke broke but did not pass.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 19 July 2013 10: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Shumka
          Broke broke but did not pass.

          We have Combat, brought two to the parade ground (civilians came to the unit and identified the civilian jackets and stole our uniform with no one could be confused)
          and so ... Combat picked up a stick from some kind of box and banged both of them in the hips from the stick, only the stub remained ... but he didn’t pass it to the prosecutors either, in general, re-educated .. and for many of us this was a good lesson. .and we respected our Combat, three times champion of the USSR in hand-to-hand combat, graduated from Ryazan. drinks
      3. domokl
        domokl 19 July 2013 07: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ! If a woman lupanulized me while serving in the service, I would not serve

        There are no women in the army. There is a commander and subordinate in the army. Baba is at home for her man.
        And your example is unsuccessful. The cap was really mocking. And in the video on the ZOMP class. Have you ever seen how officers do when throwing grenades? If I’m scared, but with a grenade explaining that he’s wrong, then probably also the name mine will be written on the monument. Together with the fighter.
        Once, when firing from LNG, my soldier broke his boot nose. It was the boot. But not mine, but the one who shot .. He tore off his feet and flew so unsuccessfully and the next shift. For a month, prosecutors proved that this was a mockery.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          The army has a commander and subordinate

          And there is a charter, and for the commander he is also a law. What an example such a commander sets, not a commander is a grandfather and does the same.
          Quote: domokl
          .A in the video of the training on ZOMP. Have you ever seen how officers act when throwing grenades?

          And that we also had exercises on the most I can’t do in chemical protection, but here it goes in the barracks! This is not a teaching, this is a simple hazing, Sanya I served an urgent term and can compare and distinguish one from another.
          Quote: domokl
          If I’ll be scared, but explain with a grenade without a check that he’s wrong, then, probably, my name will also be written on the monument. Together with the fighter.

          Once again, I repeat to you, this is not a teaching on video, and you see it. Look old-timers in slippers cut across the barracks.
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 19 July 2013 10: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            there is still a charter and for the commander he is also a law.

            The charter is not a dogma, but a guide to action. All cases are not provided for in it, they simply cannot be foreseen, therefore it is impossible and not necessary for everyone to cut everything under one comb. Yes, and I personally think that the existing charters are outdated a long time ago, require revision, in particular, toughening penalties and increasing the real power of commanders and chiefs. Otherwise, discipline in the army will never be raised to the proper level. This should be clear to anyone who has served in the army for a long time.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 10: 24 New
              0
              Quote: bistrov.
              . All cases are not provided for in it, they simply cannot be foreseen, therefore it is impossible and not necessary for everyone to cut everything under one comb.

              In other words, in this case, it was simply impossible from head to foot. What did she do at all in the barracks with these boys? Engaged in hazing! Did you even serve? Then the blind man will see what happened. And after such cadres and such women, we will greatly raise the prestige of the army, the people will probably rush to the service. You are not her lawyer for an hour, it hurts like in your text.
              I would ask you a few articles of the charter, but they didn’t help, if you can see it on the internet and answer here.
              As for the commanders, if the commander has authority, then his orders are carried out without a shout. Let others look for another job.
              1. bistrov.
                bistrov. 19 July 2013 11: 47 New
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                if the commander has authority, then his orders are executed without

                To be honest, I'm tired of convincing you. You didn’t smell the real service and did not work with the personnel, that's for sure, in all likelihood, if you served, then somewhere in the headquarters, or in greenhouse conditions. Happy delusions.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 12: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bistrov.
                  In all likelihood, if they served, then somewhere in the headquarters, or in greenhouse conditions.

                  And he also served at headquarters, and not only at headquarters.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 22 July 2013 00: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          The army has a commander and a subordinate. Baba is at home for her man.

          - well, firstly, even if so, then a woman commander should be in command of a women's unit, we have not yet canceled patriarchy, and I admit - yes, I have male snobbery, I admit not only to you, I admit to my wife too, she through it suffers, well, what can you do? There is a good reason for male snobbery - I simply wear what is called testicles in medicine, and on this basis I make all decisions in the house (I agree, sometimes it happens "if I said to my mother, it means to my mother laughing , there is already so much before that and what exactly I drank). And about what a woman would beat me - there can be no talk of this at all. This is not discussed at all. am
          Clearly, equality and all that, feminism and tolerance, etc. But there must be borders. There is no place for women in the army, if, after all, a woman is a commander - there is nothing for her to command the men, create a woman’s platoon, and let him command there.
          By the way, in the IDF, with all my dislike for Israel, I have not seen such methods of education - they somehow teach their soldiers differently. And such methods are really "beaten dog" methods. So beaten that it is easier for her, this dog, to fall as a hero against the enemy than again to fall under the wrath of the owner. I don't see such a Russian army. Think, acting officers, what you want, but there are other methods, and you don't need to travel far - the IDF will tell you everything. It's never a sin to study, you don't need snobbery here.
          And yet - why did the woman from SABZH begin to show characteristic bitchiness early - the same that occurs in 50-year-old shahin with an uncomplicated personal life. I understand that the groom died, and because of such soldiers, but she is only 25 years old ... There is no strength to forgive the soldiers this - leave the army and become a lesbian, because the soldiers are masculine. It would be better for the soldiers, and she herself would not be at risk of going to jail ... And if some of these soldiers have a loving mother, who has this only son, and she herself is the same shahina, then she does risk of lynching. The fact that this mother will forgive the officer - a man, she will never forgive the officer - a woman. So it is customary for women to not judge them laughing
      4. Yuriwhite
        Yuriwhite 19 July 2013 09: 31 New
        0
        Have you come up with it yourself or did someone tell you?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 09: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: YuriWhite
          Have you come up with it yourself or did someone tell you?

          Who do you write to?
      5. andrejwz
        andrejwz 19 July 2013 11: 52 New
        0
        During an emergency, I had a similar case with a similar result and similar consequences. I support the position, that's just
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        let him sit at home and give birth to children.

        let him just sit at home.
    3. Shumka
      Shumka 19 July 2013 07: 19 New
      +2
      I am against bullying and beating soldiers but bring to insanity? I am against the same thing. Men are being raised in the army, and a man is also an excellent soldier and not the other way around.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Shumka
        ? I am against the same thing. Men are being raised in the army, and a man is also an excellent soldier and not the other way around.

        You don’t see the essence in this video. The officer commands once or twice where in what part it happened. These things are done by sergeants, but not officers. The girl became bored, so she was warming up.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 19 July 2013 07: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The officer commands one-two, g

          Withdrew from the language ... laughing
        2. Denis
          Denis 19 July 2013 07: 35 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The girl became bored, here she was warming up

          To the very point, beguiled a little, "girl".
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 19 July 2013 10: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You essentially don’t see in this video.

          Yes, he did not watch the video clip during the video.
          I agree with him that the army is not for slobs and I agree with you .. a woman should not be in the combat unit company and in other positions .. and even more so in one way or another beat or a soldier for a soldier should be men and how he can be a man if everything goes against it ... it’s like a commander and you have to obey but this commander hits and humiliates a woman .... breaking a pattern ...
          1. Shumka
            Shumka 19 July 2013 11: 08 New
            +1
            I really did not look. Technique will not allow (((((
        4. Hagalas
          Hagalas 19 July 2013 11: 21 New
          +3
          We brought up through the team one nakosyachil all emphasis. And here alone are sitting in slippers. Others walk. IMHO point blank she could only put the young. What is the company commander?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 July 2013 11: 26 New
            +1
            Another platoon.
            1. Hon
              Hon 19 July 2013 12: 16 New
              0
              She is a company commander
    4. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      I watched the video on TV. The commander is obliged to seek the fulfillment of the order

      A woman cannot be a company commander !!! Whatever widow or bride she is, you can be touched by the movie "Soldier Jane", but in real life it looks funny, a communications operator, a plane-table player, a sniper agrees, but the company commander, where there are more than 100 boys ... Perverted and nothing more than her there did not break and put on the "chorus", she is outside the Charter and with her also
    5. StolzSS
      StolzSS 19 July 2013 21: 15 New
      +1
      But why is it cruel ??? In general, I walked with a bat for 2 months, but then I survived when I got to the present ... and the fact that I beat was her choice, but it also shows that it wasn’t a very powerful blow ...
      1. Shumka
        Shumka 19 July 2013 22: 01 New
        0
        When I remember the army, every time I am amazed at how strong the man is, the Ta-57, the butt, the ramrod, which only we didn’t have at that time. Call spring 1996.
        Ps
        They fought mercilessly with the summer graduate of the St. Petersburg Combined Arms because he was a woodpecker and did not serve an emergency, he later said thanks to us.
  2. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 07: 16 New
    12
    Who will explain to me, what kind of part is this in which a woman is a company commander? Are you completely crazy ??? What kind of company is this ???
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: erix-06
      Who will explain to me, what kind of part is this in which a woman is a company commander? Are you completely crazy ??

      So it is evident after the reductions, they have reduced that the men did not remain in the posts of commanders.
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 07: 38 New
        +1
        Yes, damn it, lately there has been a darkness-darkening of officers who have been lurking in sergeant posts ... I do not believe that the whole army could not find a man to the post of commander of this company ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: erix-06

          Yes, damn it, lately there has been a darkness-darkening of officers who toiled in sergeant posts.

          they’re sitting on the video of the demobilization, but running about their business, and this one is commanding. This is not her position, this is her rotten whim.
          1. erix-xnumx
            erix-xnumx 20 July 2013 09: 36 New
            0
            That's for sure. She acts like a dumb, overgrown demobilization, not a company commander. The level of such army chocks.
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 July 2013 09: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: erix-06
      ... in which a woman is a company commander? ...

      But what if the officers turned into, excuse me, women, ruined discipline in the army, come and take it with your bare hands, so you have to put decisive women into company commanders so that they would finally restore order. The Union was prosrali, there was not a single resolute person in the army leadership who would take responsibility.
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 10: 16 New
        +1
        Do you know all the officers personally? All became women? The Union has been pissed off by the whole Union and there is no need to shift the responsibility only onto the shoulders of the military. And the decisiveness of this stupid chicken, firstly, is not confirmed by any real test, and secondly, it cannot replace the knowledge and skills of a leader. Discipline in the army was ruined by politicians who, for the sake of momentary political gain, deprived the commander of most of the levers of influence over the barracks bully or criminal. I remember very well how well I helped to tame the recalcitrant regimental guardhouse or "excursion" to the disciplinary battalion. And the committee of soldiers' mothers was not engaged in harboring deserters and deviators.
      2. Hon
        Hon 19 July 2013 10: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: bistrov.
        , so you have to put decisive women into company commanders, so that they finally bring order.

        And if she tossed order in her company of Dagestanis? Do not go to a fortuneteller, an attempt to build dag for this decisive girl will end with a gang rape.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 July 2013 10: 27 New
          +2
          This is from the category of your erotic fantasies.
          On the second day, I saw in the troops what was being done to the community members in the event of a collision with an officer.
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 July 2013 10: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: erix-06
      What kind of part is this in which a woman is a company commander?

      Remember the war, for example, Marina Raskova commanded an air regiment, many women fought on the front lines, were paramedics, snipers, tank mechanics, tank commanders, platoons. Or do you think that a woman is obliged to crawl under the bullets while pulling out the wounded, is this easier than commanding a company in peacetime?
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        You can give an example of Gaidar, who, as some sources say, at the age of 16 commanded a regiment ... Since this is the case, maybe in peacetime we will distribute regiments to schoolchildren? No need to try to raise rare exceptions in extreme situations in the military system.
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 19 July 2013 11: 51 New
          0
          Quote: erix-06
          ... try to raise rare exceptions in ...

          And what, do you know many cases when women occupy command posts in the modern Russian army?
          1. erix-xnumx
            erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 11: 59 New
            +4
            They generally have nothing to do in command positions in the army.
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    1. Shumka
      Shumka 19 July 2013 07: 29 New
      -1
      The fact that I am commanding a woman against the company, but we will make an amendment, the woman died at this woman protecting a gouging conscript. That is fussing remembering.
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 07: 35 New
        +8
        There are a lot of officers in our army, and soldiers too, who died due to the fault of their subordinates or colleagues, but this does not mean that the wives or mothers of the deceased should come off on absolutely extraneous soldiers or sailors!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Shumka
        but we’ll make an amendment, the bridegroom died at this woman defending a gouging conscript. That is fussing remembering.

        Revenge type in your opinion, to whom? All in a row
  4. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 07: 32 New
    0
    Recently, all women in uniform during the transfer of the Armed Forces from peacetime to wartime were fired from military service and called on men from the reserve. And then some sort of worthless profura company commander ... How did she become them ???? Which school did you graduate ???? What passed, what saw, what experienced on the way to the officer rank ???? They’ll pick up the army on an announcement, like any rabble on the collective farm, and then they are surprised ... If a woman kicked me, I would have hammered her to bloody diarrhea !!!!
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 July 2013 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: erix-06
      And then some sort of worthless profura company commander

      You still choose expressions. Or do you mean your wife?
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 11: 03 New
        -7
        I have your wife! Or are you married, dove yourself?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 July 2013 11: 09 New
          +4
          Do you have anything?
          1. erix-xnumx
            erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 11: 16 New
            -3
            Have a desire to check?
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                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 19 July 2013 12: 10 New
                  +2
                  But I don’t speak differently with such an audience. In your language it is easier to understand, because you consider politeness a weakness.
                  You allow yourself to talk about a woman about whom you know absolutely nothing, and you are sure that she will not answer you.
                  1. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 12: 31 New
                    +1
                    Listen carefully, the younger generation! It is impossible to call a woman a washcloth that beats a soldier whom she put in the emphasis of lying in the OZK !!!! At the same time, the video shows how other little boys sit on the beds in the arrangement and just watch this show. I am not a holy man, and it happened that I applied to subordinates. But this was only in cases of open disobedience or a direct threat of attack on me. I broke rebels in different ways, but to beat for wrong filing or an unwritten synopsis is already bestiality. By the way, he wrote all his class notes to himself. And he didn’t leave the company until my company officer checked them and approved them. I ran with my sailors to charge, to landfills. He took and carried their weapons from the dead on the march. On shooting in our company, they were the first to shoot, and officers were the first to drive. And I had every reason to tear my subordinates. To my lieutenant epaulets I managed to finish the Suvorov Military School and the Military School. I ran for my studies in the FOCU, defended the guards, and shot more than any fighter from various types of weapons. And the company commander is already almost the viceroy of God on earth. Even without assault, he forced the whole company to tremble, along with all the officers. Oh you. found a woman ... Profur she is profur.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 19 July 2013 14: 52 New
                      +2
                      Balabol, don't you overpraise yourself? Enough of narcissism, only by your vyak about "worthless profura" I completely made an opinion about you.

                      DVOKU? You would howl in Kolomna in a month. They will recruit whoever they are to be officers, and then they start joking about us "about Bach and Feerbach". It is necessary to put some kind of filter in the troops for people like you.
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                      2. experienced
                        experienced 19 July 2013 15: 25 New
                        +3
                        Quote: erix-06
                        you realized that you farted out of place with your fiery speech in "the lady's defense". She is not a lady, but a presumptuous scum. And she shouldn't be an officer. You got sick of loose stools

                        I crap from such rudeness ... In the pubs, why did you get an education? The site was not mistaken? In general, you need to follow the broom, or you can run into the return line.
                      3. erix-xnumx
                        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 15: 40 New
                        -2
                        Here is your broomstick and pick it up. With your return, scare the kids in the sandbox.
                      4. experienced
                        experienced 19 July 2013 15: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: erix-06
                        Here is your broomstick and pick it up. With your return, scare the kids in the sandbox.

                        Bugaga, shkolota, his self-conceit increases when these holidays are over and these erixes sit at their desk and stop drooling on sites? wassat
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                  2. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 15: 47 New
                    0
                    Experienced, I repeat once again - I never transferred emotions in a dispute to the relatives or friends of my opponents. But some people find it quite possible. Therefore, it is necessary to respond to such arrogant insoles in a more accessible form.
                  3. experienced
                    experienced 19 July 2013 15: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: erix-06
                    I never transferred emotions in a dispute to the relatives or friends of my opponents. But some people find it quite possible. Therefore, it is necessary to respond to such arrogant insoles in a more accessible form.

                    I can understand a lot, but if offended, answer but do not transfer your rage to other members of the forum hi
                    Again, the PM is through which you can send obscenities. Okay, hushed up and drove through drinks
                  4. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 16: 02 New
                    0
                    Hush up. drinks And I respond only in case they write to me in PM.
                  5. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 July 2013 17: 44 New
                    +2
                    Because it's not public enough for you? No one to show off?
                  6. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 30 New
                    -2
                    No. It's hard for you to understand, but I will try to explain. You see, Lopatov, some young, self-confident, but rather stupid males try to crow a little publicly on decent people. And so that others do not have a false idea about the courage and heroism of such peacocks, these birds need to be honest, with all the same, firmly land their ass on the asphalt. Now truncated the meaning of the polemic, feathered? That's it, fly your course already ... Tweet further ...
                  7. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 July 2013 18: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: erix-06
                    You see, Lopatov, some young, self-confident, but rather stupid males try to crow a little publicly on decent people.

                    Heroically calling them "some kind of worthless company commander"?
                    And then declaring to the one who was naturally indignant at such an attitude towards a woman, "I have your wife! Or are you married yourself, dove?"
                    There are such cockerels who love to work in public. And what shall we do with this?

                    Quote: erix-06
                    Now truncated the meaning of controversy

                    Where did you notice the polemic here? I’m dipping you like a kutenka in a dipped one, in order to realize that you can’t do this.
                  8. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 55 New
                    +1
                    Wake up, kasatik, you’re sitting in your own piss. and you don’t want to notice it.
                  9. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 July 2013 19: 22 New
                    0
                    This is exclusively your egocentric opinion. Try to look at your posts with the eyes of others.
                    Self-criticism, I hope you have not completely dried up?
                  10. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 20 July 2013 01: 06 New
                    0
                    Look, you're still tweeting about self-criticism ... So look at yourself with your own eyes, only sober ...
  5. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 17: 42 New
    0
    Quote: erix-06
    And about the filter in the troops ... I went through them all

    Unfortunately. So I say that they are clearly insufficient. Individuals are leaking, capable of creating, on the basis of a minimum of information, a picture of the world and on its basis publicly scolding a woman, and at the same time be absolutely confident in their safety.

    Quote: erix-06
    And do not poke at me anymore, not at the rank of you so to me.

    I appeal to you as you deserve it.
  6. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 37 New
    -1
    If, as you say, some individuals are well versed in the subject of conversation, then they are able to draw the right conclusions based on a minimum of information. And if you’re dumb from birth, like a baobab, then at least you will fall asleep with facts, you will still walk in the glasses of a welder and not see anything. At least then you should wipe them from dust if you don’t want to take them off.
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 18: 51 New
    0
    Quote: erix-06
    then they are able to draw the right conclusions based on a minimum of information.

    Again narcissism flooded? My friend, it smells like narcissism.
  8. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 59 New
    0
    Apparently you are trying to hide your own denseness in the charges of the opponent. Be honest with yourself and admit that you smell yourself personally. By their own waste products.
  9. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 19: 24 New
    0
    Quote: erix-06
    Apparently you are trying to hide your own denseness in the charges of the opponent.

    Trying is good. But unconvincing. Try again.

    By the way, what you started writing as a normal person, and not as near a pub, is already pleasing. So my posts were not in vain.
  10. erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 20 July 2013 01: 13 New
    0
    Oh, you talked! Your posts are the incontinence of a stupid teenager ... He blurted out something without thinking, and now you don’t know why he blurted out ... Go already flow around, thinker ...
  • Hleb
    Hleb 19 July 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    hi. support in many ways. especially in: I would have beaten her to bloody diarrhea !!!!
    but I disagree with this: He took and carried their weapons from the dead on the march
    no offense, but we would have "scolded" for this "help"
    1. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 16: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Gleb
      He took and carried their own weapons from those who died on the march, no offense, but we would have "scolded" for this "help"

      He was a cadet in 1984-1988 and on a 10 km march with full gear at the RTU, some dragged not only the weapons of their colleagues, but also themselves (they held their shoulders with their hand and stupidly moved their legs), the last credit, if someone drops out ... The best of all was the one with the "Flies", at our school it was an empty tube in it the pie "lemongrass" from ChePka about 1 kg was included, the guy with the PC (heavy) and with the SVD (hitting on the heels) got it.
      Regarding the fact that apart from your AK’s comrade, you’re having no problems,
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 19 July 2013 16: 47 New
      +1
      offset on the last, if someone drops out
      that’s the difference between you and us. They saved you a set-off, and we had the life of a weakened warrior on the march and the life of the whole group. Everything was calculated for real combat exits. Your weakling will eventually substitute the group for one hundred percent, because you pulled it out .that and offset ...
      Well, we had such a philosophy. So this is my opinion about my service
      this weakened one needs to pull everything out himself! don’t even give him water. if he was too lazy to take because of the extra kilogram
    3. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 16: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Gleb
      that’s the difference between you and us. They saved you a set-off, and we had the life of a weakened warrior on the march and the life of the whole group. Everything was calculated for real combat exits. Your weakling will eventually substitute the group for one hundred percent, because you pulled it out .that and offset ...

      We had a company, not a group! And therefore, a march to a position with the loss of a fighter was unacceptable, but when a special forces group moves forward for an action, there and there time is more important than one fighter. Well, here I am not strong and I will not argue, I want to note that there was a good "pumping" to the RTU, like we must show the rest of 8 companies that we are stronger and we will show it, and it worked, now I understand that both the Komsomol and party members and the entire l / s took "poorly", but it was effective laughing
    4. Hleb
      Hleb 19 July 2013 17: 03 New
      0
      Well, that's why I'm talking about my (I did not take into account the nuances of service in your units smile ) .different approaches. we didn’t go by companies (God forbid)) and really this soldier needs to be immediately ruled out. then the group will pay. I say this. I ran into youth at the fierce glances of the elders when I decided to help the machine gunner
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 16: 55 New
    0
    I was not hired to carry the weapons of my sailors, but you always need to look at a specific situation. Sometimes it was necessary to carry some bodies literally in the arms of his comrades. And then overload can damage two or three more .... In this case, it is better to pick up a drop-down machine gun or machine gun than to look for it in roadside dust ...
  • experienced
    experienced 19 July 2013 16: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: erix-06
    I was not hired to carry the weapons of my sailors, but you always need to look at a specific situation. Sometimes it was necessary to carry some bodies literally in the arms of his comrades. And then overload can damage two or three more .... In this case, it is better to pick up a drop-down machine gun or machine gun than to look for it in roadside dust ...

    Well, after all, you can and not only run on the hairdryer, amazed, we think in one direction, surprised that I put +
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 17: 04 New
    -2
    Why be surprised? Fenya is not taught at the infantry school. laughing
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 17: 47 New
    +2
    On the street picked up?
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 40 New
    -1
    Yes, like a lot of honor to spend normal words on all sorts of imperfections.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 17: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: erix-06
    I was not hired to carry the weapons of my sailors

    Oh how. A normal commander doesn’t do much, but he does. You can not understand.
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 42 New
    0
    Lopatov, judging by your reasoning, you are terribly unfamiliar with what a normal commander does.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 19: 12 New
    +2
    Let me tell you a real case that immediately came to my mind as soon as you dumped your heroic "I was not hired to carry weapons of my sailors."

    Once they sent me up a hill with a convoy that was carrying supplies to infantry. There was a rise of five kilometers. Cool enough. All I had to do was get up, see, decide whether it was worth deploying a knp or enough spotter, go downstairs and report back to the start. Because he walked lightly, from heavy only binoculars and apsb.
    And in front of me is a little boy with a mortar plate on his back, which is clearly beyond his strength. I understand that you would continue to go light, admiring yourself. And I just took the pack from him. Although this was not hired.

    Do you feel the difference between us? About me they said "e..t and feeds" about you, yours, "jackal". Although I'm not sure if you had too many of yours. I suppose all of the cropped "grew in a career"?
  • experienced
    experienced 19 July 2013 19: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    Let me tell you a real case that immediately came to my mind as soon as you dumped your heroic "I was not hired to carry weapons of my sailors."

    Guys, enough pisyuny to be measured and flaunt coolness ... There is a limit to everything, let's just not go to this thread, because I won’t be able to convince, and I will not allow rudeness hi
    Hello and respect to everyone drinks
    I went to drive my shkonki (Varnaga got out) wassat Miracle Moder negative
  • Hleb
    Hleb 19 July 2013 19: 21 New
    0
    I will not let
    how?))
  • experienced
    experienced 19 July 2013 19: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Gleb
    how?))

    The most peaceful love
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 19: 34 New
    +2
    And who is rude here? Okay, I’m tired of it myself.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 19 July 2013 19: 22 New
    +1

    )) I did not understand immediately. I thought of a height of five km
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 19: 33 New
    +1
    Not far from Pionersky. The mortar was dragged due to the giftedness of the infantry. They decided that they needed a preoccupied light. Although there was someone to shine normally, and the connection was excellent, the station was in direct view and the wire.

    And, damn it, 5 km is not a difference in heights, it is a common path. Serpentine.
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 20 July 2013 01: 23 New
    0
    Well, you are a writer! Damn, you're a dreamer! You should clearly tell young school girls fairy tales! "I understand. That you would ... And I just took it ...." "They talked about me ... and about you ..." Well, you amused, Lopatov! laughing Did you forget to make your self-portrait on a white horse? laughing Yes, without such clowns it would be very sad to serve in the army. Have more fun, songwriter.
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 20 July 2013 06: 53 New
    0
    You probably don’t understand that a soldier must always have a personal weapon in a combat situation. You, a bachelor from a military institute, cannot manage to realize that the sodate must be ready to use weapons at any time. He should just live with his machine gun or machine gun in an embrace. Unlike you, high-tech participants in military events who need time to take up some sort of firing or launching positions, to transfer weapons from a stowed position to a combat position, to prepare some initial installations for opening fire, an infantryman should always be ready to use his weapons . And even in KVAKU this should have been taught at the beginning of the first year. Or did you sit out in the barracks at that time because of grated calluses? Therefore, Lopatov, you don’t even know the very basics of military affairs. And this lady, whose honor you are trying to protect, does not know the basics of the soldier's craft. For she did not finish military schools and did not see the features of military life from the inside.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 19 July 2013 11: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: erix-06
    Or are you married, dove yourself?

    I would fill your face and God will see if you are rude.
    1. erix-xnumx
      erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 12: 03 New
      -3
      Why are you brave on the Internet? Are you trying to like yourself? But I did not write a word about your wife initially. Didn't notice? Boxer you are our virtual space ... laughing
  • zevs379
    zevs379 19 July 2013 07: 33 New
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    The moderators got it with their own tolerance - nothing can be said angry !!!!! Not only that, the woman platoon duck also beats on a concussion, what kind of education is the defender of the fatherland? IMHO -
    KINDER, KUICHEN, KIRCH!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 08: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: zevs379
      The moderators got it with their own tolerance - nothing can be said

      Listen dear! You got a warning for checkmate. Mate in comments is prohibited by the rules of Sait, what tolerance? I agree with your comment, which I deleted, as there is no obscenity in the comment, please write without mats hi
    2. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 09: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: zevs379
      The moderators got it with their own tolerance - nothing can be said

      We don’t swear, we talk on it wassat
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 19 July 2013 19: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: zevs379
      The moderators got it with their own tolerance - nothing can be said

      If you and others like you do not get it, then this will not be a site but a garbage dump. The rules of the site are the same for everyone, instead of scribbling the mat, re-read at your leisure.
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        1. Tersky
          Tersky 19 July 2013 20: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Gleb
          I don’t want to offend anyone, but I like that

          Well, make a copy and put it in the red corner but don’t mess it up on the site. Everyone sees what he wants to see .. wink
          Quote: Gleb
          this is probably my last comment here ((
          "There is an excess of severity and an excess of indulgence: both must be equally avoided. Jean-Jacques Rousseau"
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 19 July 2013 21: 08 New
            0
            Well, so you are no different from me ... laughing you can also make a corner yourself wink
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 19 July 2013 21: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Gleb
              well, so you are no different from me

              Well, this is how to say, a very dubious comparison .. proof of this is your post with the demator, where you are. In my only call to order on the site.
  • fight
    fight 19 July 2013 07: 35 New
    -7
    Found a topic of discussion. Gay write such articles. Those who did not serve in the army will certainly not understand. And now there are a lot of them. but those who served in the army all their lives remember with pleasure.
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 19 July 2013 07: 56 New
    +1
    My story is this:
    "Command gases. Put on a gas mask," Sergeant R.
    Naturally, I do it. And then R. asks: "Where is the tag that should be on the bag?"
    I answer from the gas mask: "I sewed it on. Only wrong. Because it is hard to see." I turn the bag and shows that the tag really is. But it can be seen that the sergeant of the contract service did not have a day, and therefore he puts me at close range lying. Well, I do it. I do push-ups on the command "one, two, one and a half". After 2, maybe more than a dozen push-ups I hear: "You are heating me up. You are such a fool!" And I get a few punches on the neck and head.
    Silently endured. There was another story with the ensign platoon commander. And then with the senior lieutenant.
  • Sewer
    Sewer 19 July 2013 08: 02 New
    +2
    Baba is the company commander, and even commands the men, with obvious mockery, it’s already arrived! Yes, the army is a forge of men, but here this woman simply took and kicked the soldier’s faces! Kogzha’s grandfathers are pumping this one, and when the jackals are different, + woman! Zvizdets!
  • deman73
    deman73 19 July 2013 08: 05 New
    0
    Well, it's time to shout the guard, and the prosecutor’s office urgently to initiate proceedings - idiocy, it will soon come to the point that the officers will be afraid to approach the soldiers, and they will send them to the impudent
    1. Sewer
      Sewer 19 July 2013 08: 22 New
      0
      Such officers are idiocy! I’m putting the apartment on the line that there were not a single chock among those who were pumped, but about the chock, so miserable, only they can fuck before spirits, but in fact they are cowardly creatures!
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 July 2013 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: deman73
      it will soon come to the point that the officers will begin to be afraid of approaching the soldiers, and they will be sent to the brazen

      And this already exists, not everywhere, of course, but there is, and in which case every soldier knows the helpline of the military prosecutor’s office, if he calls and complains.
  • Gavril
    Gavril 19 July 2013 08: 07 New
    0
    So, her future husband died saving others from the one who does not know how to follow orders
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 19 July 2013 08: 15 New
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    As Suvorov bequeathed: "And the very sticks, who do not take care of themselves." Here are just sticks according to the rule that it is to blame, so be punished, and not just like that. Otherwise, the officer's place is not in the army, but in the zone.
  • rugor
    rugor 19 July 2013 08: 54 New
    +7
    The officer should not confuse punishment with humiliation.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 July 2013 09: 38 New
      +4
      Any punishment is humiliation. Starting from staging in a junior kindergarten group.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 19 July 2013 08: 54 New
    +3
    in order to educate a soldier, it’s not necessary to beat him, there is a lot of way for him to .. that he will obey any orders, starting from memorizing the charter to physical reinforced charging, unscheduled checks of combat readiness, etc.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 July 2013 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Bad
      there are many ways to do it this way ...

      That is why our army is such that, instead of serious education, many are engaged in "borrowing ..." The soldier understands this perfectly and becomes even more bitter. You must treat a soldier like your children, give him all the necessary allowance, rest, but if you deserve it, punish him, slap him in the face, only without witnesses and so that there are no bruises, at the same time tell him everything that you are about him you think, draw him his further perspective, but then do not remember evil, while trying to encourage. The soldier will only respect you for this. But there is no need to wash petty dirty linen in public, punishing him with all sorts of outfits, additional training equipment, nothing good will come of it. Lieutenant Ovcharenko did the wrong thing by jabbing a subordinate in the presence of others. It humiliates him. In all likelihood, this was done more than once, so she was caught on this. Now "political officers", excuse me, "educators" and all sorts of "human rights activists" from the committee of soldiers' mothers will make an elephant out of this fly and the girl can really fly out of the army. Planting, of course, will not plant, there is nothing to plant here. All this, of course, from a lack of experience and ignorance of the psychology of people. I feel sorry for her. For some reason I like her.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 19 July 2013 12: 36 New
        0
        Quote: bistrov.
        Now "political officers", excuse me, "educators" and all sorts of "human rights activists" from the committee of soldiers' mothers will make an elephant out of this fly and the girl can really fly out of the army. Planting, of course, will not plant, there is nothing to plant here. All this, of course, from a lack of experience and ignorance of the psychology of people.

        it all depends on the military prosecutor’s office, if ordered from above, they can dig up so much that they don’t seem enough. And the trackers most likely will not conduct an impartial check on the part, they will interrogate its subordinates - they will speak from three boxes, although on the other hand it is also not clear to me what the special department of the unit is doing (all of our cell phones were stored there (they allowed to call only on Saturdays and only in a separate room) and woe to the one in whose hands he will be - a cross in the OZK in full display seems like a paradise).
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 19 July 2013 18: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: PSih2097
          although, on the other hand, what is the special department of the unit doing to me is also not clear

          What does a special department have to do with this? After all, this is counterintelligence, his job is to monitor the nondisclosure of military secrets and catch spies. We have survived, and special departments are already engaged in discipline, but it did not exist and is not. But the matter is not worth a damn thing, you think the officer hit a negligent soldier a little, but how many of them in a combat situation in the war were slapped for cowardice by such lieutenants and no one said a word, everything was legal. Otherwise, they would not have won the war and so they went to Stalingrad. And now they've made a mess, it's disgusting to listen. "Human rights"! There is no work, no apartment, education is paid, the law is not written for thieves and criminals. Gorbachev of the USSR sold him the order, Yeltsin gave Ukraine the whole East and South with Crimea in addition, they chose for a second term, prosecutors and judges let the criminal and murderers free for bribes, so it is necessary, and then the lieutenant imposes discipline and order in the company - to expel army. Yes, we'll go far.
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    In general, the practice of distributing officer ranks and shoulder straps to any muddy characters is very discrediting the very essence of the officers. General uniforms are worn by all sorts of customs officers, prosecutors, veterinarians, tax officers, and other brethren, who have never even seen an infantry battalion in one formation in real life. And in the Armed Forces themselves there were more negative moments. A living example is this overgrown young female. She at least for a second herself understands that the company commander is already a leader who must educate and train not only his soldiers, but also ensigns and officers ???? The company commander must be the most competent and experienced in the whole company. And what monkey can this military master show to his subordinates?
  • siftij
    siftij 19 July 2013 09: 24 New
    +7
    In Soviet times, they were very fond of saying that in tsarist Russia, officers of the soldiers for cattle believed that the great country would be well destroyed and that girl would be exhausted. I served in 1984 - 1986 and the officers did not beat us and did not consider us as cattle, and the combat readiness of our battery, I think, is several orders of magnitude higher than in this girl’s company. I remember my officers with warmth and not because nostalgia had been better before, but because they were real officers and very human, but stupidly kicking a powerless lying man, where is the human quality ???
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 10: 16 New
      +1
      And you do not compare yourself 18-year-old in the 84th and 18-year-old now, in 2013. Then you were brought up correctly. And parents, and school, and society.
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 19 July 2013 09: 34 New
    +3
    I played elephants wink
  • dmb
    dmb 19 July 2013 09: 35 New
    +4
    All this nonsense (I'm talking about the exceptional benefits of massacre in the barracks). The logic here is very primitive: "We were beaten young, and we will be." And the "lady" does not at all conduct classes on the POMP, but simply mocks. (Let those who disagree give the official methodology of classes, where scuffle is provided).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 09: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: dmb
      . ". And the" lady "does not at all conduct classes on the POM, but simply mocks.

      Yes, it’s immediately obvious who served he will understand everything from the first one or two.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 July 2013 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: dmb
      (Let those who disagree give the official methodology of classes, where scuffle is provided).

      The melee ...
      1. Sewer
        Sewer 19 July 2013 14: 16 New
        +1
        Do not confuse melee with bullying!
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 09: 37 New
    +2
    Foot is in vain. Enough push-ups in the OZK. It was possible to drive out to the street so that they marched and sang in gas masks. This case clearly confirms my thesis that the officer should first test all methods of influencing his subordinates on himself. That is, to be exclusively personnel, graduates of military schools. At least those whose service is connected with the management of personnel.

    And a question on the OZK: what, I’m sorry, horseradish? During the war, they will have to use OZK-F, why are they not in the units? Rear bureaucrats believe that their fighters will learn to wear them on a hunch?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 July 2013 12: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      Enough push-ups in the OZK. It was possible to drive out to the street so that they marched and sang in gas masks.

      Nothing clears the brains like a march to the OZK with a full calculation of 10 km with the offset of the latter (tested on their own carcass) ...
  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 19 July 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    here all the girls from the boarding house gathered :) Type in the first year they did not stupid and did not receive the scoreboard - ridiculous. Are you going to prepare an army of elves? Live according to the charter, will you win honor and glory? This is all a theory that has nothing to do with a normal, not a showy army. And a good blow to the liver, together with a kind word, comes to a stupid and / or boisterous soldier much faster and to go to the brain more correctly. Especially right now when all the savvy and competent from the citizen come. We also had such cunning Jews in the SA who tried to blame all the work for others, and Uzbeks who, like in Russian, did not understand, and Caucasians who refused to wash the floor, like it's not a man’s business - they did everything for the barracks and after 15 minutes.
    And then here are the heroes - like, I’ve died an officer - but you should have already for this on Kitsch with the subsequent disbat.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 10: 10 New
      +1
      + 100500!!!
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 19 July 2013 10: 06 New
    +5
    Sadly that's all. An officer can only teach what he knows and knows how to do. So we see in the video a clear example of what happens when a random person receives epaulettes and a position. She does not have knowledge, nor a training system and experience. Instead of textbooks on psychology - videos from the Internet and state-owned consumer goods cinemas. And the point here is not even that she is a woman, although this in itself is nonsense. I don’t know how it is now in the Russian army, but in Crimea (I wrote about this earlier) now I meet VERY many women in officer uniforms. And I also have friends among them, I know for sure that they have not only a specialized military education, but even just a higher education. The maximum is a technical school, and there they DO NOT LEARN PEDAGOGY. From g ... but you can blind a bullet, and it will look like a real one until you need to shoot ... request
  • OCD
    OCD 19 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +5
    What kind of methods are these. Foot in the head for not being able to push up. What an officer this is. And how many times does she push up herself? Plant such creatures necessary. And one should not stick oneself with the status of a bride to a man at the cost of his own life, the soldiers who saved their lives. In addition to the stars on uniform, the officer is also a state of mind. And draw your own conclusions, where is the officer, and where.
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 10: 08 New
    +2
    Can anyone be sure that her husband, the hero of Russia, did not treat soldiers in this way ???

    Appealed !!! After all, this is a normal widespread practice not only in this part, but throughout the country.

    And what? At the right moment, he covered himself with a grenade and saved revolutions of this kind, which before that he could even drop into a naked ear. HERO! without a doubt!

    And how else to educate and train the SOLDIER? This is not an institution of noble maidens. Here almost everyone comes with their exorbitantly hyped parents, grandfathers, and grandmothers of conceit. No one ever beat him when he really deserved it. At school, teachers have no right to touch him with a finger. As a result, the children are now sitting on their necks. And here is the army. There must be discipline. One of them will remain unpunished, others will sit on the neck.

    Sure, there are ki everywhere. And in the army there are no fewer than in the whole country. Only because of them is not worth violating the educational process in the army.

    The army is, above all, discipline. She is brought up harshly, and sometimes cruelly. One non-disciplined soldier will ruin discipline in its entirety.

    100 organized and disciplined soldiers always beat a crowd of thousands.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 19 July 2013 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      because of them, it is not worth violating the educational process in the army.
      Do you call THIS IT an educational process? Well, and who is planned to bring up in this way? The maximum that can turn out is a stupid car, which I’ll fuck, who should turn my head. And it’s much more likely - an Licking-fittown, bending before the upper ones and spreading rot of those below
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 10: 33 New
        +1
        If you do not punish one undisciplined turnover, then after a short time, the whole unit will become the same. If punished, then even if a soldier does not work out of him, discipline will remain in the unit, and the rest will become.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 19 July 2013 16: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          If you do not punish one undisciplined turnover
          And "punish" and "mock" are synonyms for you? Punish it is necessary (you have indicated the reasons), but it is not at all necessary to scoff at it. Another question is that the list of possible punishments is now considerably narrowed by the efforts of cryoprotectors and "nulliparous mothers". And this question SHOULD be raised. At least so that SUCH types of punishments happen less often
  • VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 19 July 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    I would not want my children to serve under the command of such an "officer" - even disgusting to call her an officer.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 10: 20 New
      +1
      Tell me, she drenches everyone in a row with her foot in her ear, or just one bogged-up jerk.

      If you think that your offspring is such a boorish jerk and his well-being and well-being are of the highest value - then of course. This is not the place in the army. After all, the army, the soldier is designed to fight. And in a war they can kill.
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: VkadimirEfimov1942
    I would not want my children to serve under the command of such an "officer" - even disgusting to call her an officer.

    my son is growing and God forbid when he enters the army I will see a video where some kind of freak kicks him and scoffs .... I’ll just come and fuck the freak all over the face so that she’ll be smeared with bloody snots and I won’t watch this woman or a man .... I agree that the army should make a soldier’s defender out of a guy’s guy so do it at a training ground or at a shooting range or at a sports town .... let the instructor teach him hand-to-hand combat ... train physically ... arrange sparings .. . Teaches to shoot from different types of weapons ... teaches battle tactics both in the field and in Orod .... let him teach you how to be guys soldiers and defenders ... so that guys are proud of themselves and their service .... but this is what we usually have this mess between the kitchen outfit and the household work and snow removal on parade ground and sometimes even during this it will make more likely from guys obedient and slaughtered dogs or the same freaks who will then scoff at the youngsters just as they scoffed at them .... you won’t bring up a good soldier ... another thing if someone in fact, it’s greyhound, you can put it in place, but the video is rather ordinary pumping and humiliation due to softly sing a song or fuzzy combatant step in general for a trifle request
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 July 2013 12: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: C2H5OH
      my son is growing and God forbid when he goes to the army

      So bring up your son accordingly, so that he does not have to be kicked in the army, eliminating the gaps in your upbringing, and the unit command sent you only letters of thanks, thanks for his good upbringing. Good, conscientious soldiers are not "kicked", they are usually set as an example for everyone.
    2. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 07 New
      +1
      Judging by your post, from which it is clear how you educate your child, how to tremble over him, what kind of little son he grows up ...
      and God forbid when he goes to the army

      Yes, he is not needed in the army. let him sit at home. the army needs real men, not sons for whom daddy comes to intercede ...
      1. Midshipman
        Midshipman 19 July 2013 15: 15 New
        0
        Well said. He will also go to war for his son, otherwise his enemies will offend him))
        1. C2H5OH
          C2H5OH 19 July 2013 15: 28 New
          +2
          if we say someone stronger would scoff at him so why not intercede? would you intercede for your son? send them to war so go to war what did you start to embellish everything here? argue and quarrel or something? I’m not going to make him Mom’s and Papy’s son ... but I will always intercede
          1. C2H5OH
            C2H5OH 19 July 2013 16: 10 New
            +1
            so I didn’t see such a video where officers scoff at the soldiers from the Caucasus ... why? how can they teach the Russian guys a kick in order to raise a universal soldier from them and there are no Caucasians? yes, because the relatives of the Russian guys will have the maximum at the commander of the snot part and wipe away tears for his son and ask for a transfer, and he will put such an officer with his cancer from the Caucasus outside the unit
  • Max otto
    Max otto 19 July 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    My father worked his way up from a mechanic driver to the head of the combat training department of the army headquarters, he never beat a soldier. There are other methods, even in the GSVG there was a case, the fighter did not part with the shovel for a month, even in the morning he had to come to the formation with a shovel, he dug every day, from morning to evening, until he came and said that he already re-educated, Art. sergeant. Another soldier had chemical priority. preparation, he spent two weeks learning to execute the command "gas", even at night sometimes. By the way, this one, I remember him well, an Armenian by nationality, was demobilized as a sergeant major (!), And rose to the rank of tank commander.
    1. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 11: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Max Otto
      from driver to Head of the combat training department of the army headquarters

      Bugaga, he was responsible for the combat training of staff officers? wassat If you don’t know the position, don’t put yourself in a stupid position, passages about rearing through a shovel and OZK made fun, as well as your belief that you didn’t beat anyone, did you constantly go with him to the military?
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 19 July 2013 12: 18 New
        +1
        Ok, well, I’m not a military man myself, I don’t know the subtleties of the name, but I was not responsible for the staff officers, but for the army. And in your opinion, what can I not communicate with my father? Can't I talk to him? And yet, yes, I rummaged around in parts all the time, and with him, and with my brother, and with friends, I don’t know how now, in Soviet times, children from a military town in the arrangement of units were a common thing, of course you won’t go to closed guarded areas, but go to the sports camp near the barracks club for as long as you like, always fed soldiers in the canteen. Yes, and my elder brother is a military man, educational speeches and sharing experience did not pass by my ears. There was a shovel, there was no OZK, only a gas mask.
        Yes, and my father was respected by subordinates, because he was fair, even to the higher authorities he could impose his will, therefore he did not become a general, he went to the reserve as a colonel
  • Tektor
    Tektor 19 July 2013 11: 45 New
    +4
    Yes, there is an obvious setup: someone had installed a camera in advance and deliberately provoked a "conflict" ... Captain Obvious.
    1. Hon
      Hon 19 July 2013 11: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Tektor
      Yes, there is an obvious setup: someone had installed a camera in advance and deliberately provoked a "conflict" ... Captain Obvious.

      Why attach it? Every soldier has a built-in mobile phone.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 July 2013 12: 21 New
        +2
        If this were the first time, probably no one would have "had time" to prepare, then the system ... What do you think, someone persuaded her to "pose"?
  • Opera
    Opera 19 July 2013 11: 46 New
    +2
    Regarding this Ovcharenko (if it is), you need to understand, as in any similar case. In general, I think the army is not a woman’s business! Let them serve in the Israeli army, there were recently photographs here - nothing so military personnel!
    But seriously, to defend the homeland, family in wartime, the holy right of everyone and women, including if necessary. And so, machine guns, grenades, shoulder straps ... well, it is unnatural for female nature, unnatural! Do not need it!
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 19 July 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    It is because of such s ... as this Olga Ovcharenko (and the surname speaks of her essence), mothers are afraid to send their sons to the army, and young guys are trying to "roll away" from her. Bitch ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 July 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      What is your last name?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 July 2013 13: 03 New
        -1
        Are you her lawyer? Offended "about the surname" ?. If I "create" something you MY may recognize. My sister bought a house in the village, which Khitrova was selling, I told her in her face about doubts about the house, well, very good, in the "light" of her surname. The house turned out to be rotten, with a bunch of problems from the roof to the current running water under the house. With this house, the sister is "at war", ie. REANIMES his fifth! year! So I go to surnames now with great attention I belong.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 July 2013 14: 44 New
          +2
          I knew one namesake, a tank battalion commander. As a company commander, leaning his waist out of the tank hatch, he led the company out of the fire bag in Grozny. Are you sure you have the right to "walk" by this name?

          By the way, the surname comes from the word "shepherd"
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 21 July 2013 12: 59 New
            +1
            It is SHE - from the word "shepherd" ...
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 July 2013 12: 44 New
      -1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      It is because of such s ... as this Olga Ovcharenko (and the surname speaks of her essence), mothers are afraid to send their sons to the army, and young guys are trying to "roll away" from her. Bitch ...

      Before, everyone said that because of hazing and Caucasians, now because of officers, because of what will happen next? due to being wounded, maimed and killed in a war?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 July 2013 13: 16 New
        +2
        Listen, can you treat HUMAN HUMAN? Draftee what, cattle or what? NORMAL MAN does not kick the cattle, but this ...
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 13: 36 New
          +3
          And if this is a conscript and there is cattle, or worse than cattle?
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 19 July 2013 14: 02 New
            0
            There are other methods to bring a soldier to "feelings" - political and educational and, in extreme cases, an outfit out of turn and a guardhouse.
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 13 New
              +1
              Didn’t the lip be canceled?

              When some colleagues mock others - badly. The officers are looking where.

              Officers discipline, build a young, run-down bullish - also bad. Offended a poor child.

              What are you people? Get involved! We would also see how you would behave in her place. And then damn it, every gopher is an agronomist, ...
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 19 July 2013 14: 23 New
                +1
                Is there one thing left - a boot on the head? Have you tried it on yourself?
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 30 New
                  +1
                  Do you think that there are no cases when such a method of exposure is vital?
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 19 July 2013 16: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                    Do you think that there are no cases when such a method of exposure is vital?

                    Probably it happens. She taught the soldier this way, now her investigator will teach, and it’s good if she gets off of the Armed Forces by simple dismissal and then gets a term.
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 17: 27 New
                      +1
                      So the army is breaking up. And you help with this.
              2. erix-xnumx
                erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 14: 25 New
                +2
                The guardhouse did not seem to be canceled, but in parts everyone was closed as inadequate to the equipment requirements. Now it is no longer possible to identify a kitsch offender simply by the decision of a company commander or battalion commander. Only by court order. And this is such a heavy-weighted tramp that the commander has only two ways - to give the offender the horns or just to deflate .... Slightly pony for a show and quietly merge ... That's all the power.
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 41 New
                  +1
                  So it turns out that in some cases it remains only a boot in the ear ...
                  1. erix-xnumx
                    erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 14: 48 New
                    +2
                    In some cases, just like that ... But in this case there are three rotten moments: first, a woman should not be a company commander. The second is to beat a subordinate who is already following your orders, this is a bust. And the third, you can not arrange a spectacle of educational work. And this is exactly what is happening on the video.
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 53 New
                      -1
                      Let us not interfere so unreasonably in the work of other people.
                      1. The subordinate does not fulfill the order, since the rest are wrung out, but this one does not.
                      2. Sometimes the punishment must be prelude. It is for educational purposes.

                      And why can't this woman be a company company?
                      1. erix-xnumx
                        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 15: 37 New
                        +2
                        Firstly, not the fact that the one she hit did not push up initially with everyone. Maybe he just got sick? According to the Armed Forces, there are cases when fighters in gas masks died ... Secondly, if the commander brings up someone in public, the unit is in the ranks and penetrates the current moment, and does not look at this process, sitting on the beds. And thirdly, tell me what military education does this madame have? Will her competence lead the unit in battle? Or will she be sacked during the threatened period, like all female military personnel?
                      2. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 15: 53 New
                        -2
                        Secondly, if the commander brings up someone in public, then the unit is in the ranks and penetrates the current moment

                        I absolutely agree with you that this is CORRECT education. IT SHOULD BE! But is it possible for us? No charters and all sorts of rules are allowed. We can’t put a soldier in front of the ranks and punish physically. So it’s necessary ...

                        And thirdly, tell me what military education does this madame have? Will her competence lead the unit in battle?

                        Maybe you can tell me this and prove that she is not competent, has no right, and so on ...
                      3. erix-xnumx
                        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 16: 45 New
                        +2
                        Military unit 53790, where this "star" works as a company commander, is now a command brigade, and earlier it was a separate communications regiment of the 35th Army. The deceased Major Solnechnikov also served there. This brigade is a combat support unit and is designed to support the work of army command posts. Such units, along with reconnaissance units, were always kept in the most equipped and combat-ready condition. The unit commanders there were graduates of higher communications schools. A large number of rather sophisticated communication equipment is in service. Given the fact that the above girl most likely did not graduate from a military school, I suppose that she has a rather vague idea of ​​managing a subordinate unit in combat conditions, is poorly versed in the operation of automotive and communications equipment. Based on this, I believe that she has no right to hold the position of a company commander and try to train subordinate officers with a military education in their specialty.
                      4. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 17: 15 New
                        +1
                        the above girl most likely did not finish military school


                        BRAVO good "LIKELY"...

                        Then "most likely" you don't know anything. But why not admit it?
                        Then "most likely" you have no right to judge what this woman can do and what not.
                        And even more so, it’s not for you to judge whether she has the right to occupy her position or not.

                        But you do it with rapture.

                        only on the basis that they themselves decided that she "likely".

                        BRAVO!
                      5. erix-xnumx
                        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 17: 26 New
                        +3
                        On the contrary, my "most likely" is 99 percent certain. You can just count. This mademoiselle serves as the company commander. Therefore, she wears officer shoulder straps for at least two years. That is, it must be no later than 2011 graduation from the school. Given the fact that the term of study in modern schools is 5 years, she should have entered the school no later than 2006. But, as far as I remember, there was no recruitment of women in military schools at that time. Especially in the team. That's all the math.
                      6. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 17: 35 New
                        0
                        Yeah. It is impossible to become a company company otherwise.

                        What kind of nonsense is to judge a person without knowledge or authority.

                        No, ... the thief must be in prison, the offender must be legally punished.

                        But if everyone interferes in someone else's work, then you can destroy anything. In the 90s this has already passed.

                        Yes, our officers didn’t beat anyone. They beat grandfathers, demobilization, sergeants, ensigns. And the officers did not touch anyone. Human rights defenders pressed their pancake. Do you know why grandfathers did everything they wanted?

                        Because the officers didn’t beat them in time when they were spirits and scoops.
                      7. erix-xnumx
                        erix-xnumx 19 July 2013 18: 48 New
                        +2
                        Yeah ... Otherwise, you can become a company commander. But at the same time, do not finish the profile command school ... And then the competence of such a commander is a big question. What am I talking to you about? You wouldn’t want your plumber to treat your teeth, not a dentist?
                  2. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 19 July 2013 17: 31 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                    Then "most likely" you don't know anything. But why not admit it?
                    Then "most likely" you have no right to judge what this woman can do and what not.
                    And even more so, it’s not for you to judge whether she has the right to occupy her position or not.

                    One small question, can I? So, just in case ... If this girl is a professional officer, then this "educational process" would NEVER get into the camera lens. Since in OWN division a real pro always knows what is being done AROUND, and not just FRONT. And the second question - what the hell is she doing with these fighters ITSELF? Squad leader, platoon commander with deputy, company foreman, etc. WHAT are you busy with? THEY should lie there on the floor if their own subordinates cannot see. Until they learn to fulfill their duties. And now I will repeat the question: "What can this woman do? And does she even know the structure of the company management and the chain of command?"
                  3. Ivan_Ivanov
                    Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 17: 39 New
                    0
                    Here you are working somewhere (I think so).

                    Go about your business.

                    I’m talking to you, or some stranger creeps up to you and says what you should do, how you should do it. Does it judge you: do you have sufficient qualifications or not with the most distant idea of ​​your work?

                    No.

                    Why did you decide that without knowing anything, you have the right to judge and condemn someone?
                  4. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 19 July 2013 17: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                    Do you have sufficient qualifications or not with the most distant idea of ​​your work?

                    Is a military pensioner (senior officer) qualified to judge the specifics of this "educational process"? By the way, the second education is "Military Psychology and Pedagogy" hi
                  5. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 July 2013 17: 59 New
                    0
                    Are you sure you know everything? And you have enough information to give an assessment.
                  6. Ivan_Ivanov
                    Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 18: 10 New
                    -4
                    Forgive me, but judging by your slang, I have a big booo doubt that you are who you say you are.

                    What is "senior officer" anyway? I have never heard that this phrase was used in a conversation. Especially the officers. They always just state their rank.
                  7. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 July 2013 18: 28 New
                    +2
                    Sailors have everything in their own way.
                  8. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 19 July 2013 21: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                    Always just call your rank
                    The cruiser’s wardroom received an appeal by name. Not looking at epaulettes. But the appeal by rank - Moveton request

                    And the senior officer is the one who goes into the reserve by order of the Minister of Defense (and whom the military commissariat is obliged to bury at the expense of the state) wink
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 July 2013 17: 50 New
              0
              Not everything is as rosy as you think. Most often, all this is on the company’s, because neither the two-year-old platoons nor the sergeant conscripts will be able to carry out this work for the company.
            3. Misantrop
              Misantrop 19 July 2013 18: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              neither platoon biennials nor conscripts sergeants this job for the company will not be able to complete.
              For the company? Or is it your work? It is necessary to select and educate the company’s commanding staff, so as not to drag them for everyone. And if the company companies don’t catch mice either, do the greyhound youth drive the battalion personally? Or immediately to the regiment commander?

              The fact is that EFFECTIVELY, a person is able to educate and control no more than 10 subordinates (more often - slightly less) from this situation and the numerical composition of the department is chosen. So the company (with the actual absence of a junior command link) is PHYSICALLY unable to properly control the company, even though they have torn in the service and moved to the barracks. The company itself will not pull, checked by life
            4. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 July 2013 18: 20 New
              +1
              Firstly, it is the work of the company. if you have not forgotten the charters.

              Secondly, the platooners are not chosen, and sergeants can be chosen only from what is available. And remember that the conscript remains an conscript, even if he has a kit.

              And if the company cannot handle it, the battalion commander has to do it. Since maintaining discipline is also his responsibility.
            5. Misantrop
              Misantrop 19 July 2013 21: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              platooners do not choose
              Yes, platoon sent from the school. But no one can interfere with the selection and preparation of the castle platoon platoons, the foreman of the company and the squad leaders.
              Quote: Spade
              sergeants can only be selected from what is available.
              And what, somewhere else was different? At least once? What the military enlistment office sent did work with that. In our time, there were still no contractors, except that the midshipmen could be picked up somehow (but if you made a mistake, then push it out hard until the contract ends). And out of almost a hundred people, picking up just a few is not too difficult. Now with all these innovations and a reduction in service life, it has become harder for the chosen ones to cook and educate. But it is NECESSARY. The company has only two paths. Or pick up and educate the junior command staff so that it works AS POSITIVE (and then everything is fine in the company). Or ... give all power to the hands of informal leaders (and they are always found, the law of society). And then in the company the HAZELING raises his head. There is NO THERE WAY ... request
            6. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 July 2013 22: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              Yes, platoon sent from the school.

              By. Platoon commanders were called up. Three personnel platoon platoon commanders are a huge success.

              Quote: Misantrop
              But no one can interfere with the selection and preparation of the castle platoon platoons, the foreman of the company and the squad leaders.

              It's possible. But cooking comes exclusively from gun commanders sent from training manuals. Moreover, in 90% of cases they did not have any leadership abilities. I had to fint for a long time with my ears, in order to at least put the foreman of normal.

              Quote: Misantrop
              The company has only two paths.

              As you can see, in fact, the company has only one way - to drag everything on its own. Because they will ask him. Not even from the division commander, but from him.
            7. Misantrop
              Misantrop 19 July 2013 22: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              cooking comes exclusively from gun commanders sent from training manuals. Moreover, in 90% of cases they did not have any leadership abilities. I had to fint for a long time with my ears, in order to at least put the foreman of normal.

              "Each hut has its own rattles" (c) Once they sent me a miracle from Alma-Ata, too. With 8 classes of education, the profession of a plumber and such an elegant stamp in the medical book "mentally retarded" (I saw this once in my life). For me to make of him ... hold on to the chair ... a specialist in the maintenance of naval nuclear power plants ... wassat Well, the commander managed to exchange this miracle in training for another. It’s also not a gift, but at least competent ... And this despite the fact that there are midshipmen and two sailors for two nuclear plants (there are no one to choose from ...) request It is easier for turbinists, they have a gang of 15 people in 2 compartments, there is someone to choose from
            8. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 July 2013 23: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              "Each hut has its own rattles" (c)

              Here I am about that. And I had all sergeants from the training. Moreover, they came in their absolute majority with near-zero knowledge. The gunners I prepared were a cut above. And the calculator prepared by me did not only all two-year-olds on fire tasks, but also a third of the personnel. This despite the fact that his preparation always began with the repeated memorization of the multiplication table.
        2. erix-xnumx
          erix-xnumx 20 July 2013 07: 20 New
          +1
          Everything is correct you reason. A company commander is not just the most strong-willed and determined officer in a unit. This is primarily an organizer and teacher. For he is obliged to educate and train not only his own soldiers or sailors, but above all his officers and warrant officers. And only the most prepared, the most skillful, and the most competent officer should become a leader for other officers. A competent company commander himself should no longer beat anyone! The platoon commander, the squad leader of this fighter, and the company foreman should be punished and humiliated for incorrect filing. Because they blinded the fighter's appearance. Morning inspection in decent units is always carried out. In addition, you need to figure out why the boychila was hemmed with a green thread - is it a greyhound or an elementary lack of white thread. It is very possible that cunning colleagues have turned this fighter into an outcast, into a weak-willed creature. But such subtleties are simply beyond the comprehension of many hasty commanders. And if you carefully analyze the video in this article, you can understand that the aunt is "educating" a small group of military personnel in front of bored viewers. Apparently her skills and authority are only enough for this low-quality performance.
  • Hon
    Hon 19 July 2013 16: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Let us not interfere so unreasonably in the work of other people.
    1. The subordinate does not fulfill the order, since the rest are wrung out, but this one does not.
    2. Sometimes the punishment must be prelude. It is for educational purposes.

    Now the prosecutor's office will carry out its work, in the Criminal Code many methods of education are prescribed ...
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 July 2013 18: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Hon
    Now the prosecutor's office will carry out its work, in the Criminal Code many methods of education are prescribed ...

    That's for sure. If you have a VP building in your city, go to it and look at the cars. "The Criminal Code contains many methods of education ..."
  • derik1970
    derik1970 19 July 2013 13: 19 New
    +4
    Do not fuck women in the army, let them raise children, sit at home ...
  • Captain45
    Captain45 19 July 2013 13: 23 New
    +1
    On the video, I counted 7 fighters in the OZK, we can assume that this department is probably squeezed out because they didn’t follow the whole department’s order, say, to clean the territory. I’ll venture to assume that they didn’t execute because of the one that I received to my head for my stupidity. And in the army in my time there was a rule: One for all, all for one. One didn’t, everyone puffed. This was called upbringing in the team and through the team. And at that time, the whole stupid squad would weigh be healthy. And now we are reaping the benefits of individualization ma, everyone will puff for one connector ... I don’t tumble him down to order. That's why officers sometimes have to take on this ugly mission, break off the horns stupid to get better. For a year and a half, he served as an ZKV in the SA, so I have an idea what I’m talking about. And about the fact that an ordinary soldier did not write a synopsis of classes for comotes, well, it’s just ridiculous. Many who served as privates wrote plans-summaries of classes for at least the castle platoon, not to mention the platoon commander. we are smarter than comrades if he writes lesson plans for an officer, so then he’s not omandir?
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 13: 43 New
    -1
    I huh..yu from our left-handed liberoids and those who are being led by them.

    Some in the army mock their co-workers — badly. The officers are looking where.

    Officers discipline, build a young, run-down bullish - also bad. Offended a poor child.

    What are you people? Get involved! We would also see how you would behave in her place. And then, every gopher is an agronomist, ...
  • okosl
    okosl 19 July 2013 13: 51 New
    0
    Have you heard the main news? The authorities have leaked the entire database about all of us into the network, block access to your data while it is possible (find yourself and click close access)! Here is the site- http://vbazes.gu.ma
  • piotr534
    piotr534 19 July 2013 14: 29 New
    +3
    Wow, 30 years have passed and the barracks in the Amur Region are still the same. In winter, the temperature in the barracks was -15 degrees and outside the window -55, they slept in clothes and hats under mattresses, plus hazing and fraternity. One time, a so-called su.ka fought with a Chechen. Then I gave a lecture about heavy Chechen fists, I told him that I did not notice the severity. Well, in the evening, the Codla of the Chechens came to tear me up, so well the Asetians smeared it, saying that everything was garlic. Arkhara 82-84g. But I’m what I wanted to say to all of this, I don’t want to say a real soldier is not a drill, not humiliation, although this also plays a role. A soldier becomes a fighter when, with a direct threat to his life, he is able to act clearly and measuredly rather than panic. A good soldier is not one who looks cooler and behaves cooler. A good soldier is a smart soldier able to clearly act in a stressful situation, everything else is secondary. soldier
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 37 New
      +1
      What makes an army out of a crowd?

      An organized structure, subordinated to a single goal, working in harmony to achieve it.
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  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 14: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Judging by your post, from which it is clear how you educate your child, how to tremble over him, what kind of little son he grows up ...
    and God forbid when he goes to the army

    Yes, he is not needed in the army. let him sit at home. the army needs real men, not sons for whom daddy comes to intercede ...

    judging by your post, if you saw a video where they humiliate and kick your son, would you pretend that you didn’t see anything request and I personally will teach my son and for myself to stand up and I personally will turn my head away if someone touches and doesn’t give a damn to me who thinks ... and you misunderstood I said God forbid not about the fact that he will join the army but about the fact that he’s they will mock him
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 50 New
      0
      laughing well, yes ... how can you teach your son to stand up for himself, if "I personally turn my head away if someone touches it" ...

      and in the army, you know, he can take part in combat actions. and there, after all, the son can suffer. so you should not let him into the army ...
      1. C2H5OH
        C2H5OH 19 July 2013 15: 01 New
        0
        Yes, where does the fighting take place? did you yourself serve at all? I get the impression that you just graduated from school or have a rest on vacation ... bye-bye and all of you dear ... but don’t get sick hi
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 15: 11 New
          +1
          Thank you.

          Thank you for recognizing my innocence and the undeniable nature of my arguments by the transition to personality and frank surrender. I sincerely hope that exorbitant conceit will not harm you and your son. wink
    2. C2H5OH
      C2H5OH 19 July 2013 14: 52 New
      +1
      we had a case when two officers drank vodka after lights out and spread the fact that they made a waiter out of the daily who was on the bedside table and scoffed when he carried out their commands too slowly and in the morning it turned out that the guy had a broken rib .... this is also normal, probably like you do you think?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 56 New
        0
        Is this woman on video mocking her subordinates in a drunken state, forcing her to fulfill her whims, or seeing educational work, using physical pressure for not fulfilling the orders? And in the video it is clearly visible. All push ups, one not.

        So is she drunk mocking?
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 14: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    I huh..yu from our left-handed liberoids and those who are being led by them.

    Some in the army mock their co-workers — badly. The officers are looking where.

    Officers discipline, build a young, run-down bullish - also bad. Offended a poor child.

    What are you people? Get involved! We would also see how you would behave in her place. And then, every gopher is an agronomist, ...

    when I’ve served I have never seen officers build an overbred bull request
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 14: 59 New
      0
      When did you serve?
      You may not have been bullish.
      Perhaps the working hours.
      Perhaps the training was such that everyone understood that the army needed to obey the charter and the commander?
      And so on ...
  • Criowoolf
    Criowoolf 19 July 2013 15: 09 New
    +2
    The only reason today's youth do not want to join the army is the moral and physical humiliation of human dignity.
    I believe that if you give a slap to a person, it’s only for a matter of where you can’t do without assimilation. But if you beat and scoff at ordinary soldiers who can’t do anything, for the sake of sadistic pleasure, this is complete rot. Such people need to be deprived of their ranks for life without any opportunities for reinstatement in the future, as well as refusal to apply for public services.
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 15: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Thank you.

    Thank you for recognizing my innocence and the undeniable nature of my arguments by the transition to personality and frank surrender. I sincerely hope that exorbitant conceit will not harm you and your son. wink

    do not be lazy and look at the link http://idi-na-hui.blogspot.ru/ hi
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 15: 32 New
      +1
      oh, how smart and witty you are. I'm really scared ... laughing laughing
      1. C2H5OH
        C2H5OH 19 July 2013 15: 35 New
        0
        Well, why are you all decorating it? I don’t wish you any harm hi but your comments are enraged just ...
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 16: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    When did you serve?
    You may not have been bullish.
    Perhaps the working hours.
    Perhaps the training was such that everyone understood that the army needed to obey the charter and the commander?
    And so on ...

    served from 2003 to 2005 ... no guard duty ... officers commanded a company only at a building near the headquarters the rest of the time only sergeants commanded those who were stronger in physique and old-timers wink ... the company commander was fired for irregular relationships in the company ... well, or I don’t know what was replaced there with him, in general he could be demoted and transferred request
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 17: 20 New
      +1
      when I’ve served I have never seen officers build an overbred bull


      It turns out that sergeants built your overwhelming bull, but the officers still suffered, since you yourself wrote that
      the rest of the time only sergeants commanded

      company commander fired for hazing
  • Garrin
    Garrin 19 July 2013 17: 40 New
    +4
    Dispute about nothing. From my own experience. Once I hit a subordinate in front of the formation, and there was a good reason and I was not an officer, Art. sergeant, deputy. com. platoon. In the evening I read out the outfits for the next day, and this one, I don’t know what to call it, in broken Russian before the formation, I repeat, sent me to all of you known addresses. I could not restrain myself, hit, but hit "mentally" (God did not offend with health and complexion, and from childhood up to the very army he was engaged in sports) In short, it was a miracle, gathered all the beds in the barracks. Of course, it was good for me then, no one else ever blathers.
    But, believe me, men, 30 years have passed, and to this day I am ashamed. I am ashamed that I could not restrain myself and all this happened before the formation. I still consider myself to be a wimp. This is now, as in a confession to everyone.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 17: 48 New
      +1
      I believe that you did the right thing. It’s bad that they could not restrain themselves. You need to punish with a cold head, in a calm state. But you did everything right.
    2. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 17: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Garrin
      But, believe me, men, 30 years have passed, and to this day I am ashamed. I am ashamed that I could not restrain myself and all this happened before the formation. I still consider myself to be a wimp. This is now, as in a confession to everyone.

      Igor, your call opened my memories, I was in 1989 the chief of supply in a military construction detachment, a staff officer with a prospect, an apartment, etc., and so when the detachment finished washing in the bath (once a week), the company commander left 1- 2 people to guide the cleaning. And I knew perfectly well that they would leave the most "difficult" ones and I won't clean up after the remark, because there was a sink, there was a blow in the chest, and then the soldiers from the service platoon washed the floors with a comrade, and then he washed the floor himself. And then I sleep well and my conscience does not gnaw ...
      We just need to set the conditions for ourselves, in Chechnya, once told the elders that everyone who assaults the post is stuffed with pork and how it cuts off, although I got hooked on it in the pre-trial detention center
    3. Igarr
      Igarr 19 July 2013 17: 54 New
      +1
      This is not weakness.
      In my opinion - the right reaction.
      I, a young letekha-jacket, go around the quarters after lights out. They sit for a year, one decommissioned from Nevsky. On the demand to keep within, word by word, a member of the table, I hear in response - such jerks from a citizen I drowned in the toilet bowls on Nevsky Prospect.
      And I, since from Altai, as Marek says, my eyes were red, I grabbed a jar (well, a stool so sea-like, on three points) and put it into the head of this comrade.
      Hit, of course, but I was immediately struck in the return - killed, I think. I stand, wait and what ?? - the fighter came to himself, and said - well, right now we will drown you. And to me. While he was collecting a team there, I went on deck, picked up a deck key and stood waiting. Three eagles appeared, visible on the gangway.
      I say who is the first to fit - he will pick a teapot. Forward.
      Or sleep in luli, as I said.
      Returned.
      I went, immediately surrendered myself to the old man with giblets, the rake was not weak.
      The next morning, the sailor promised to deal with me specifically.
      But, after a month or two - we worked out the navigational tasks together so famously - it’s a pleasure to watch.
      He saw ... a sadistic anniversary.
      And on ... a couple or two case slap... men are not offended.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 18: 00 New
        +1
        Finally, normal men appeared. And then all human rights defenders are cute, damn theorists.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 19 July 2013 18: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Igarr
        red eyes

        Yes, exactly, that is the case.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 19 July 2013 18: 34 New
          +1
          I, by the way, too .. embarrassed.
          But precisely, for - "... flooded with red ...."
          One could, of course, start reading the statutes. I. Neither x ... can not be achieved.
          .
          and, it turns out, these dagi are notorious ... constantly go with red eyes? so what?
          who are they like that? and for what?
          ....
          level of self-esteem .... or is it. or it takes a very long time to raise it. A jack.
      3. experienced
        experienced 19 July 2013 19: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Igarr
        In my opinion - the right reaction.

        There was a situation when an expired (fermented) juice was brought to a soldier's store and it turned out that revolutionary sentiments were roaming among the soldier masses, they had to shoot in the air, call the commandant's office and arrange a "quarantine", Semyonich (the commander) said if you did not shoot, then these marauders Moscow would have been attacked (about 400 people in the Tsaritsino district). The cartridges were written off without problems, they brought gratitude to the personal file, received a starley ahead of schedule drinks
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 19 July 2013 20: 15 New
          0
          Well, that’s the answer ...
          live ammunition discarded .... VP - in a deaf dupe ..
          anti-Soviet protest prevented ...
          .
          Not knowing the details ... of life ... units .. to judge something ...
          it's all complicated ..
          one leith allowed his wife to establish a group ...- well, he managed it. Did not command.
          The other himself ... adjusted ... anyway - did not command.
          And the one who looked at the charters ... still looked back - sooner or later .. but he put things in order.
          Or you ssykil ... and you can’t call in any way ... or you are mug ... and you’ll be quickly buried ... or you are Man, for the System ... problems are guaranteed.
          But ..you are right.
          I did not see other options.
          1. experienced
            experienced 19 July 2013 20: 21 New
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            Quote: Igarr
            live ammunition discarded ....

            He was in shock. We fired at the cinema on Kashirka, and then we took a gun (I didn’t clean it afterwards), said go home and forget what it was ... But I have these muzzles from 2 entrances that fall out like a lonely mudlet on the parade ground with gadget for suicide ... wink My knees were shaking, but there was confidence ...
            1. Igarr
              Igarr 19 July 2013 20: 33 New
              0
              You know, experienced ...
              such a layer of memory woke upllllllll ... mom do not cry ..
              myself how many times as ZASovets .. went with PM plus one spare ...
              never touched. afraid ... a gun, mother ... will shoot ..
              had to sleep one night .... in transit on a destroyer. A separate cabin was allocated, because the appuzAZ was carrying ... I decided to make out the gun to the end.
              His, it seems.
              Well, like, I could disassemble it and so I could. And here I was prompted by additional actions.
              And, it’s pretty fun to check me out .... put the gun on the fuse with the cartridge in the cartridge holder ... unchecked the box ........................... ..
              Then, for half an hour, I couldn’t calmly look ... at the gun calmly lying on the bunk ... in the state of - one platoon ...
              As we were taught ... shitty .. and, it turns out, such a fortune as auto-fuse - not every gun has it.
              Secondly ... I myself - I was not afraid of shooting, I controlled the gun - but unauthorized shooting. Here is what.
              .
              ..
              One thing is good ... after that I realized .. that ours, Russian weapons, loves me.
              And this is worth a lot.
              1. experienced
                experienced 19 July 2013 20: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: Igarr
                such a layer of memory woke upllllllll ... mom do not cry ..

                I read and grumbled ... And if cocked without cartridges, you can open beer. Designers were wise, now I wear Glock, I like it more wink
                1. Igarr
                  Igarr 19 July 2013 21: 00 New
                  +1
                  It is free for you, land, to laugh at us ... waterfowl ..
                  However, with the APSS - I would have looked like you would be in charge of it.
                  Or NGN.
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 19 July 2013 21: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Igarr
                    It is free for you, land, to laugh at us ... waterfowl ..

                    Igor, you have not the same contingent, but here you go on duty, and from the fifth floor they throw the Moldavian out for knocking and think roofing felts to catch roofing felts at the top wassat
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  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 18: 44 New
    -1
    It turns out that sergeants built your overwhelming bull, but the officers still suffered, since you yourself wrote that
    [quote] the rest of the time only sergeants commanded [/ quote]
    [quote] company commander dismissed for irregular relationships [/ quote] [/ quote]
    ....... there were three sergeants who were afraid of them and themselves could be called an overwhelmed bull and several more of the same ordinary from the old servicemen with whom they lived in perfect harmony and all the rest were NOBODY ... even sergeants ... I being He fought in spirit with his platoon castle while standing right at the post of the orderly and to the officer who came to the noise and asked what happened? He simply answered `` noh .... I had to climb! '' after which he calmly went back to the office to go about his business and everything was forgotten as if it wasn't ... just don't say that I, too, was overwhelmed by a bull, he asked for it himself ... and the company commander who was removed so there with him and in front of his eyes was such a thing what !!!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 19 July 2013 19: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: C2H5OH
      sergeants built the overbred bull

      Yes, I had to build. And the officers were not substituted, and acted according to the regulations. Remember the saying? "A soldier is like a tomato. Comes green-green, and then turns brown, turns brown and turns brown ..."
      The year was early. Karom, "every other day on the belt." If you remember, there were such moments, in addition to the charter of the guard service, this was the cleaning of the guard room and the release of the "Combat leaflet". Naturally, these moments were in the sphere of responsibility of young fighters. At first, everything was done in good faith, then, they began to turn brown. Laziness, negligence, etc. Clearly and according to the charter, I declare to the young, in a cheerful opening "Fire in the guardroom" They pour 20-30 buckets, then collect this water for the whole shift. The guardhouse shines and everything is according to the charter. I spent 2-3 times training, then I realized that it is possible to pokemarize in the "cheerful" if you are not lazy. And in the service, no hazing, change - minute by minute, regardless of the service life. For sleeping on duty, harder training and introductory, everyone knew that it was FLY. Without a massacre, but little seemed to anyone.
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 19 July 2013 19: 35 New
    +1
    a little off topic will be said but something memories of bullying surged request .... in general, we had a fraer who went to the dining room in the west was well and generally dumb to eat ordinary food with everyone ... here they are often after lights out when it gets dark a couple of dushmans were sent to the officer’s dining room for a meatball or salad, everything was agreed upon with them there ... basically they sent me and one more kid ... well, but it was a shame that instead of sleeping we had to go through bushes and back streets to hide from patrols until we got there and back by dashes, but if we didn't get enough, we won’t get back they carried a hawk PISYUNA got wet there but in disposed with a calm soul and contented champing sweetly fell asleep lol .... I think I can find them in contact and, so to speak, to confess winked ... after all, we also brewed tea bags from the garbage can for them .... saved ... money, and so on, not much wink
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 19 July 2013 19: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: C2H5OH
      .we when they brought the hawk back to them WRITTEN drenched in there and at the disposal with a calm soul and contented champing sweetly fell asleep lol .... I think I can find them in contact and so to speak to confess winked ... because we also tea bags from the garbage can were brewed .... saved ... money, and so not much by wink

      Sorry, but even reading is disgusting ...
      1. C2H5OH
        C2H5OH 19 July 2013 19: 58 New
        +2
        Well, I'm sorry ... there was nothing to send them people for food at night if laziness was not going to the dining room themselves, especially for those who came across patrols, it was not a sickly sports training the next day .. I needed it? ... he deserved revenge ... by the way, he could pile the same patrol or take away cigarettes
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 19 July 2013 20: 01 New
          +1
          This is not a reason to stoop to small dirty tricks.
          1. C2H5OH
            C2H5OH 19 July 2013 20: 08 New
            0
            perhaps you’re right ... but you also didn’t have to be impudent .... I don’t like arrogant people ... don’t want to eat with everyone so go and get your own food and don’t send others
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 July 2013 20: 02 New
      +3
      Cool. What I scared my demobilization turned out to be true.
      1. C2H5OH
        C2H5OH 19 July 2013 20: 12 New
        +1
        what a sin to conceal ... there was a thing repeat
        1. C2H5OH
          C2H5OH 19 July 2013 20: 17 New
          +1
          I imagine how many demobilization choked reading my confession what
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 July 2013 20: 22 New
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          And I warned. laughing
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 19 July 2013 20: 43 New
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            And I didn’t doubt a single gram ...
            On the ship it was harder ... a little bit ..
            And to cough from the heart ... into the tank ... carried in 23: 55, with fried potatoes ... I saw it myself.
            ..
            AND NEVER TESTED.
            although he was a ship officer on duty.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 19 July 2013 20: 27 New
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    Ivan_Ivanov UA
    What nonsense is to judge a person without knowledge or authority
    But if everyone interferes in someone else's work, then you can destroy anything. In the 90s this has already passed.

    You call a kick a boot on the head - work ??? Maybe you were "brought up" like that, and after that you think so? How is it not to interfere when after such "education" a person can become disabled! God forbid, someone will raise your son or grandson with a boot over the head! But only then try not to interfere in the "process" of education ...
    1. C2H5OH
      C2H5OH 19 July 2013 20: 33 New
      +1
      Is it interesting that this woman has a son? Does she raise him in the same way? I doubt ... only losers in life do these things ... they vent their anger at those who cannot answer them for any reason
    2. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 23: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: C2H5OH
      .we when they returned the hawk to them PISYUNA got wet there ...


      Well, tell me, is a kick in the head for such a punishment too soft?

      I hope I educate my own so that he will never stoop to such a thing.
    3. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 23: 44 New
      0
      Quote: C2H5OH
      .we when they returned the hawk to them PISYUNA got wet there ...


      Well, tell me, is a kick in the head for such a punishment too soft?

      I hope I educate my own so that he will never stoop to such a thing.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 19 July 2013 20: 36 New
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    When the military prosecutor's office appeared in the video, I personally winced. The military prosecutor's office can only unleash such a "high-profile case". At the same time, it calmly closes its eyes when fuel flows like a river in the Ministry of Defense, when the "warriors of the rear" drag everything that they can get their hands on. Who has the most expensive car in the unit? AND? Where is the military prosecutor's office? I know where - in the share. Let them drive 30 km from Belogorsk. to Seryshevo-2, there is a long-range airbase. Wow, what a "subsidiary farm" there! But no - the military prosecutor's office will not go there. And therefore they will show us this x-nu - like - we are watching, we are not eating bread in vain. Here it is business - the senior chief will have a conversation, deprive the premium "for conscientious execution" and put things in order in the barracks, and then at a military facility they are shooting - a mess, in a word.
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 20 July 2013 21: 21 New
      0
      Minus seems to have been put by someone from the prosecutor's office or "rear soldiers".
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 19 July 2013 20: 37 New
    +3
    My friends! What are you arguing about: yes, this woman has a place in a fascist concentration camp, to torture and kill our prisoners. You see, she teaches the young, we taught the young people of the ZOMP not in the barracks, but on the training fields. And what does she not teach old servicemen. But she is just some a bandit, not an officer, and I very much doubt that such a bright person like Sunny would have such a “bride.” There is no need to stain the bright name of the Hero.
    1. C2H5OH
      C2H5OH 19 July 2013 20: 43 New
      +2
      exactly said
      1. C2H5OH
        C2H5OH 19 July 2013 20: 45 New
        +1
        those who defend her here have never been kicked in the head, probably, or kicked but not too hard, and maybe vice versa too
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 July 2013 22: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      And why doesn’t she teach the old-timers.

      I apologize, and who is hemming with black thread, eh? Are not those who are 100 before the order left?
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 19 July 2013 22: 43 New
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        What are you talking about, and brothers ... ???
        The very system of the army, the very system of military control is built on the idea that ... you ... NOT A MAN ... in a military vehicle ...
        You are a VINTIC.
        .
        Calling you - soldier, private, sailor ..
        Your position is battle number ..tra-la-la, calculation tra-lal number ... fighter tar-lal number ..
        The duty is to stand to the end! To explain? or so you understand?
        .
        A - YOU ARE MANDATORY - ... PROTECT THE HOMELAND !!!!
        and all things ...
        ..
        For this, the Oath is taken.
        Before Oath, beating the young - Crime.
        After the Oath - according to the LETTER OF LAW - an obligation.
        ..
        What did you want - McDonald's with a rubber woman in bed? Double?
        IN THE ARMY ...???
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 19 July 2013 23: 47 New
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          +100 to the point.
  • Cat
    Cat 19 July 2013 21: 37 New
    +3
    woman this, definitely a fool. And what else. Any person serving an emergency knows perfectly well: worse than hazing - there can only be life strictly according to the charter. And the company has plenty of opportunities to arrange just such a life, where all grandfathers are there, and if an officer instead uses kicks in the face, it means that he has such a commander (commander) as an ballerina from an elephant.
    Although, the "victims" there are still unique:
    “The fault of the first was that he did not have time to fulfill the order of the officer to prepare for her the outline for conducting classes in the company, the second - he hemmed the collar with green, not white threads.

    okay abstract, but the green thread is, damn it, something with something. And it’s not the color, I personally filed a couple of times black by threads - but you could notice this only by tearing off the hem; =))) And if a fighter doesn’t even know such trifles - well ... the convex part of his back is quite deserving of soaking a jar about it =) True, this is not a company’s competence, and KO or ZKV. But in this case, you see, the competence of sergeants is fully consistent with that of the commander. Kindergarten, not the army ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 July 2013 22: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Cat
      but the green thread is, damn it, something with something. And it’s not a matter of color; it was personally stitched a couple of times with black threads - but you could notice this only by tearing off the stitching nafig =)))

      Exactly. And who is so pointedly filing with us?
      1. Cat
        Cat 19 July 2013 23: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Exactly. And who is so pointedly filing with us?

        I have no idea who exactly you in this way something demonstrates. I was led to such a feat by the banal absence of white threads, at the right time in the right place. I served in the marine corps, where it wasn’t necessary to file — but in 96, Ukrainian power temporarily handed over the MP brigade to the National Guard for tricky reasons, then there was such a Sharashkin office. Binding there is the first thing. And since we despised the guardsmen, in any case they conscientiously moved all their undertakings, including the filings =))) The officers, except for the ideological Natsik, looked at this through their fingers, because they themselves treated the National Guard in exactly the same way. Nevertheless, in some cases it was not possible to show off, due to the reluctance to pick up an extra outfit or some other muck, therefore, they pulled a hem and a Natsik patch in their pockets, and in which case they quickly sewed it in accordance with the charter (so that they could be pulled back)). And since the service is unpredictable things, there were enough jokes)) And the black threads on the hem are still a trifle, sometimes it was held on paper clips, pins, wire, and even chewing gum =))
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 July 2013 23: 27 New
          +1
          And we have bosses after 100 days before the order from the demobilization caps removed and checked the hem. With the distribution of buns to those commanders who have bald heads and black or green threads in the unit. Once I had to shave the whole battery. Because it is not spotted.
          1. Cat
            Cat 20 July 2013 00: 03 New
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            well, to shave for a 100-day-it is by itself =)) Moreover, we were not persecuted at all for this. As for the hemming, there were no such traditions, and there couldn’t be any - I explained why above.
            1. Cat
              Cat 20 July 2013 00: 39 New
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              Well, if demobilization show-offs demand the demonstrative use of green threads, and punishment is required for that - so why kick with your feet? In similar cases, outfit from the most impudent demobilization made up a company by company - moreover, the company or ZKR personally monitored the conscientious fulfillment of their daily duties. And the grandfather rustled a day with mops on the CPU or other, less prestigious places, in front of the young =) And you can also drive the company back and forth through the barracks, crushing the amount of dirt and black stripes on white linoleum. The desire to show off, after such pedagogy, somehow quickly disappears =) And most importantly - no bodily harm, and other hazing there =) It's just that, in general, if the company thinks for itself.
  • phantom359
    phantom359 19 July 2013 22: 17 New
    +2
    What kind of soldier he went, they forced him to squeeze out in the OZK - they were already mocking him. In the army of the USSR, no one whined, everyone came home mature and confident. Better let them see what is happening in the American barracks. Where are they bullied.
  • Zubr
    Zubr 21 July 2013 17: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    I watched the TV commercial. The commander is obliged to seek the fulfillment of the order. Is it interesting that they would write if they saw the preparation of special forces for hand-to-hand combat or survival exercises? What I saw, well, does not fit the mockery. Education. Hard, but training.


    Well, of course, the learning process is a holy thing, but not blows to the head.
    The sergeant still didn’t love me in training, they lifted me several times at night, moreover, anyhow. I stamped it like that, then half an hour we watered it with water to recover it. And the foreman warned in an individual conversation that they would inflate this conflict, and I’ll spill out everything that they do. But this lady would be charged with one blow and you can remove the skin ....

    Sorry men, I myself have never allowed assault and I hate it on the part of the personnel. They’ll go into battle tomorrow, and the same soldier will shoot her in the back.
  • pilot8878
    pilot8878 21 July 2013 23: 10 New
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    The commander is OBLIGED to achieve the execution of orders by the methods that work - from simple to complex! And to the question about "hit" - after "hit" with a boot in the head, a fighter in the air would have changed his shoes, but here, in the worst case, only indicated a possible blow. Now those conscripts who serve are not even called fighters. They live like students in a hostel or even freer, and a little difficulty - they run to mothers to complain, and beg for money for beer. What happens in the barracks is an army matter and SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED IN THE COURT OF THE PUBLIC. And now they will make a "scapegoat" or some other PR-object out of the girl.