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The long arm of the State Department reached Turkey?

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Turkish riots are usually explained by a variety of reasons. Among the explanations are not so much the authoritarianism of Erdogan, who in the Western media is compared with Putin, or the “Islamist” policy of the government, as the attribution of protests in Gezi Park to the long arm of the White House. Why does Obama wreak havoc in Istanbul and Ankara? Analysts give two answers: Erdogan did not cope with Syria; Erdogan strengthened relations with Iran. For one reason or another, but in recent days, the US has begun to put pressure on its NATO partner: Washington has initiated an anti-dumping investigation against Turkish pipe companies. Ankara, in turn, at a meeting of ambassadors criticized the United States, and earlier demanded an explanation from the White House about the interception of diplomatic missions. Interestingly, with all this, the US State Department calls the relations with Turkey allied and strategic.




Journalist Dinara Jalilova ("Caucasian policy") believes that unrest is an American punishment prescribed by Turkey for its friendship with Iran. As an argument to this point of view, she refers to a report on the rivalry between Iran and the United States in Turkey, released by the American Center for Strategic and International Studies, authored by Anthony H. Cordesman, Brian Gold, Robert Shelale and Michael Gibbs. Experts cite evidence that under Erdogan, Turkey began to move away from the United States, but closer to Iran. Turkey has already ceased to be a continuation of America in the Middle East and has become an independent and even influential player in the region.

For example, Turkey seems to Washington to be too independent in the military sphere. Along with the purchase of arms, it is looking for alternative suppliers, among which are Germany, Italy, Great Britain, Russia, China and South Korea. Turkey has stopped buying American aircraft with a friend-to-friend recognition system, defining Israeli targets as "their own", which made their attack impossible. Since 2013, Turkey has its own system and can set its own and others.

Having become economically strong, Turkey recognized the Islamic Republic of Iran and began to develop cooperation with it. Erdogan continued the course of rapprochement. If 2008 million Iranians rested in Turkey in 1, then in 2011 there were already 2,7 million. The number of Iranian firms in Turkey grew from 319 in 2010 to 1470 in 2012. To circumvent the US sanctions, Turkey pays Iranian lira gas for Iran buys them Turkish gold, which resells to the Emirates. The United States, in response, sanctioned the ban on the sale of precious metals to Iran.

It must be recalled here that friction in the supply of US weapons to Turkey spilled out onto the level of the White House back in 2010. Almost three years ago, in August 2010, Barack Obama openly demanded that Erdogan change the Turkish political course towards Iran and Israel. The Financial Times quoted Obama as saying: “... some of Turkey’s moves raised congressional doubts about the reliability of Ankara as an ally.” At the same time, Washington didn’t like the fact that Ankara didn’t support UN sanctions against Iran in 2010 in June. Washington found the Turkish voice "against" almost an encroachment on US national security! Well, and threatened not to supply weapons to Turkey. So is it any wonder that Ankara found other suppliers, and also took up production itself?

Since then, something has changed: Turkey’s relations with Israel have become warmer. But the strategic friendship between the Turks and the IRI continues and is growing, despite the American sanctions.

The White House came from the other side.

Rosinvest.com referring to Bloomberg, reports that Turkish steel pipe manufacturers may lose half of their shipments to the United States due to an anti-dumping investigation initiated by the United States.

Mehmet Zeren, chairman of the Turkish Steel Pipe Manufacturers Association, “Turkey with a 4% import share in the US market, or 3,25 million tons of supplies last year, will defend itself at the US Department of Commerce on July 23. We hope that Turkey will be excluded from the study, since we do not subsidize our industry and we do not have dumping. We will try to explain that the use of Eximbank loans to finance trade is not a subsidy. ” According to him, the shares of South Korea and Vietnam in the US market are respectively 25 and 8 percent.

Turkey also made its moves in the game - though not economic, but diplomatic.

In early July, the Turkish authorities summoned to the Foreign Ministry to give explanations to US Embassy employee Jess Baile. "Russian newspaper" with reference to the RIA "News».

He had to comment on the information about the audition of the diplomatic missions by the US special services, published in the press thanks to exposer Edward Snowden.

And the other day, a meeting of Turkish ambassadors was held in Ankara. The opinions of experts about this meeting were cited by Amur Gadzhiev ("Voice of Russia").

Director of the Institute of Strategic Thought, Doctor of Sociological Sciences, Professor Yasin Aktay, in an interview noted that a military coup was carried out in Egypt, and the United States and a number of European countries supported this action. Turkey also took the opposite position, speaking with criticism. The expert noted that Ankara was misunderstood, and said that the Turkish government criticized the position of the world community "fairly." According to him, the United States and the EU countries need to be explained why for many years they demanded democratic reforms from the Islamic world, but now they supported the military coup.

Murat Bilhan, vice president of the Turkish-Asian Center for Strategic Studies and former head of the strategic planning department of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, said in an interview with Voice of Russia that Turkey “just needs to rebuild its Middle Eastern policy. Without urgent and substantial amendments in their foreign policy, the situation in the region will continue to develop not in favor of Turkish interests. ” The expert believes that it is time to revise foreign policy priorities. “In my opinion,” he noted, “during the meeting in Ankara, high-ranking diplomats shared their impressions on this matter. And now, based on their opinions, the government will develop a new Middle East policy. ”

With regard to the riots in Istanbul and Ankara and other cities, on this occasion a representative of the State Department Victoria Nuland spoke a few days ago.

As Namig Huseynov reports (AZE.az) with reference to Anadolu, Nuland stated that the US-Turkish relations are allied and strategic. And they are especially important in view of the US policy in the Eurasian space, in the Middle East and in North Africa.

At first, Nuland praised Ankara: she said that the strength of the Turkish model of democracy is important not only for Turkey, but also for other countries in the region who want to build an Islamic and at the same time democratic state.

Then, speaking of the riots that began with the Gezi Park in Istanbul, an employee of the State Department noted that the United States would continue to remind the Turkish government about freedom of assembly and speech: these are the core values ​​of democracy.

Thus, recent events show that the geopolitical vectors of the United States and Turkey not only do not converge, but often do not go together, which prevents Washington from considering Ankara to be not only a full-fledged strategic partner and a full-fledged ally, but even a democratic country (nevertheless being example for the Middle East). However, Washington, famous for double standards, and does not deserve neither true partners, nor solid allies. Moreover, why would Turkey deny itself the pleasure of pursuing its own policy? Yes, and the times of the US satellites are passing.

Telling Ankara how to behave, the White House is not worried about Turkish security and not about Turkish influence in the region, but about its own geopolitical interests. With Washington, this is simple: he is used to using everyone - just about as toilet paper. And Barack Obama doesn’t like it when a soft piece of paper suddenly turns into an emery "pelt" ...

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
Photos used:
reuters, joint press conference of US President Barack Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan 17.5.2013
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  1. Deniska999
    Deniska999 17 July 2013 06: 42 New
    +1
    She has long reached out.
    1. krasin
      krasin 17 July 2013 07: 01 New
      +4
      Obama really does not like it when a soft piece of paper suddenly turns into an emery "skin" ...

      Well, who would like it? wassat
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 July 2013 09: 50 New
        +2
        *** Journalist Dinara Jalilova ("Caucasian Politics") believes that unrest is the kind of American punishment prescribed to Turkey for friendship with Iran *** -nonsense!
        The riots began first spontaneously, and then left-wing forces seized him !!
        1. ovgorskiy
          ovgorskiy 17 July 2013 10: 06 New
          +2
          Frequently occurring accidents become patterns.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 July 2013 10: 09 New
            0
            Quote: ovgorskiy
            Frequently occurring accidents become patterns

            not that case!
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 17 July 2013 16: 50 New
              +1
              [media = http: //www.vestifinance.ru/videos/10728]
        2. RussianRu
          RussianRu 17 July 2013 11: 10 New
          +1
          Nothing just happens. Natural disturbances occur only because of “hunger” (let’s say), in Turkey, few are starving. And because of what there was unrest, because of this, no one spontaneously worries. They gave the go-ahead for NPOs.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 July 2013 11: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Russian
            And because of what there was unrest, because of this, no one spontaneously worries.

            You just do not know!
            They cut down a park in the city center, the famous park and wanted to demolish the Ataturk center!
            1. bazilio
              bazilio 17 July 2013 17: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              You just do not know!
              They cut down a park in the city center, the famous park and wanted to demolish the Ataturk center!

              Dear Alibek, welcome.
              Regarding the causes of unrest in Turkey, you are right. But still, one should not exclude the possibility that the United States had a hand, even if it did not initiate, but at least could sponsor.
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 17 July 2013 18: 28 New
                +3
                Nobody loves a neighbor too strong! America also does not need Turkey too strong or too weak!
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 July 2013 18: 43 New
                +3
                Quote: bazilio
                Dear Alibek, welcome.

                Quote: bazilio
                But still, one should not exclude the possibility that the United States had a hand, even if it did not initiate, but at least could sponsor.

                Hi dear!
                What for???
                Whatever disagreements would be with the amers, I am sure that Erdogan fulfills a specific mission defined by amers!
                You can talk about this for a long time, but this mission is very important for America!
                Understand the military would have long wiped it into powder !!
                Remember Erbakan, he was only trying to do a hundredth of what Erdogan had already done, and the military immediately presented an ultimatum, brought tanks out into the street and forced him to resign!
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 17 July 2013 18: 52 New
                  +2
                  [media = http: // http: //www.vestifinance.ru/videos/10728]

                  Worth listening to!
                  [img] <object width = '640' height = '512'> <param name = 'movie' valu [/ img]
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      2. Muadipus
        Muadipus 17 July 2013 12: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: krasin
        Obama really does not like it when a soft piece of paper suddenly turns into an emery "skin" ...

        Well, who would like it? wassat

        And let him say thanks that the soft piece of paper has not turned into pepper mustard.
    2. 755962
      755962 17 July 2013 11: 48 New
      0
      Turkey blames US for the first time!
      Nevertheless, the Turks today feel that the United States is significantly weakening, and that is why it was announced that the economic decline in Turkey was caused by the release of unsecured US money. In fact, the Turks blamed the United States for the deterioration of its economy. Using football terms, this “free kick” is intended to change the situation, to shake it, as we all did as children, with a kaleidoscope, in the hope that the new pattern will be more beautiful than the old one. Here is such a new pattern, or even a certain pattern, that can arise as a result of such “blows”.


      http://telegrafist.org/2013/07/11/71951/
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 17 July 2013 07: 29 New
    +5
    The world is changing. The times are already passing when the economically backward Turkey meekly carried out all the whims of the United States. Undoubtedly, America’s influence is still great, but the Turkish government has already begun to pursue its foreign policy. Despite the crisis, the Turkish economy has slowed down its dynamic growth, but has maintained stability. A powerful economy is self-sufficiency, including in foreign policy.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 07: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: xetai9977
      . The times are already passing when the economically backward Turkey meekly carried out all the whims of the United States.

      And with regard to Syria, Turkey whose whims performs and dances to whose tune?
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 17 July 2013 08: 48 New
        +5
        I wrote PASS, not PASS. Everything is gradually, dear, geopolitics is not a site where at the computer in home slippers all the “strategists”, “commanders” and “referees of history” overthrow superpowers with the click of a mouse and find themselves “ahead of the rest”. Hurry, you can end up in the next "black list" for an hour.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2013 09: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          Hurry, you can end up in the next "black list" for an hour

          Erdogan in the article is compared with Putin, but this is actually nonsense. Absolutely different weight categories. Erdogan is as stupid as a politician can do it. He is not the kind of person to create something. By conspiracy and force one can come to destruction. But not to creation hi
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 July 2013 09: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Absolutely different weight categories. Erdogan is as stupid as a politician can do it.

            He is not stupid at all Sanya!
            Smart and very!
            You just value it because of its relationship to Syria and Assad, as well as from the yellow press !!!
            Erdogan is smart and very prudent!
            There is simply an inaccuracy in the article!
            Erdogan from the nails to the ends of the hair USA project I'm sure of that!
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 17 July 2013 11: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              Erdogan from the nails to the ends of the hair USA project I'm sure of that!

              Have a nice day! Uncle Sam is far away and the real politician on the spot still makes his own corrections and it turns out as he wrote above)))
              Yes, damn it ... politics is such a murky affair that you can smash wassat
              then Turkey USA, then Turkey - Israel, Turkey - Syria, Turkey-Iran, Iran - Syria, Turkey - cartar ... it's just Tin!

              request
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 July 2013 11: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: Scoun
                Have a nice day! Uncle Sam is far away and the real politician on the spot still makes his own corrections, and it turns out as he wrote above

                maybe you're right!
                Without US support, Erdogan would not have been able to achieve economic success and could not have remained in power if he had contradicted Amers, this is definitely !!
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 17 July 2013 13: 23 New
                  +4
                  Yarbai Turkey sells almost nothing to the USA!

                  And they always swear for Iran that Turkey is trading with it!
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 July 2013 14: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Yarbai Turkey sells almost nothing to the USA!

                    And they always swear for Iran that Turkey is trading with it!

                    it's particular !!
                    this is a very big game, much happens secretly!
                    I don’t believe Erdogan, although in Azerbaijan many support him and even there is someone who idolizes!
                    1. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 17 July 2013 14: 34 New
                      +5
                      As long as Turkey needs it economically! But there isn’t any real replacement for it yet! They don’t give Sargyul so that he will be at the head of the CHP!
            2. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 17 July 2013 13: 20 New
              +4
              Yarbay, Erdogan has achieved!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 July 2013 14: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: ayyildiz
                Yarbay, Erdogan has achieved!

                I did not understand what is in the picture !!?
                I am on the side of the MHP, but Arlpaslan Turkesh is not there alas!
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 17 July 2013 14: 25 New
                  +4
                  Kerkuk, Turkmani
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 July 2013 14: 33 New
                    +3
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Kerkuk, Turkmani

                    Now it is clear!
          2. Muadipus
            Muadipus 17 July 2013 12: 41 New
            0
            I agree, I would be offended by the GDP in place. Yes, what is GDP? I, a citizen of the Russian Federation, are offended by such a comparison. I would understand if Erdogan would be compared with Comrade Saakashvili.
          3. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 July 2013 13: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Erdogan in the article is compared with Putin, but this is finally nonsense


            Both Putin and Erdogan came to power when both economies were destroyed!
            Putin corrected the economy thanks to oil and gas, but Erdogan didn’t have anything like that! We have pensions better than your minimum pension of about 600 $ if someone dies from their spouses yet 75% receive the pension of the deceased spouse, And the funeral is free! , prices in 2-3 times cheaper than here, except for energy and gasoline!

            In Istanbul, such global construction projects are going on that Russia has never even dreamed of!
            That's all thanks to Erdogan! There will be elections in 5-6 months! Anyway, Erdogan will win [media = http: // http: //youtu.be/Drh3Oen1bkk]
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 July 2013 14: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: ayyildiz
              That's all thanks to Erdogan! In 5-6 months there will be elections! Anyway, Erdogan will win

              He is afraid to destroy Turkey!
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 17 July 2013 14: 32 New
                +3
                It’s not entirely true, We play as we want in northern Iraq! I mean economically! And this is what Talabani and Barzani perfectly understand
          4. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 July 2013 13: 29 New
            +2


            Interesting to listen!
        2. wk
          wk 17 July 2013 10: 46 New
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          I wrote PASS, not PASS


          it seems you are mistaken .... are just starting ... Turkey is not a previously conceivable precedent for such a clear intervention in the internal affairs of a NATO member state, and not a beginner .... it seems that Berlin and Paris thought deeply about this.
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 17 July 2013 11: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And with regard to Syria, Turkey whose whims performs and dances to whose tune?

        Yes, damn it ... politics is such a muddy thing that you can smash Moscow wassat
        then Turkey USA, then Turkey - Israel, Turkey - Syria, Turkey-Iran, Iran - Syria, Turkey - cartar ... it's just Tin!
      3. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 17 July 2013 13: 16 New
        +1
        Only their interests Romanov! If purely American would Turkey would have long climbed into Syria!

        Confirmation of 08.08.08!
    2. Dejavu
      Dejavu 17 July 2013 08: 36 New
      0
      For me, this is just another dog, yapping and bouncing (Moscow-Syria plane) by order of an uncle, imagining himself a great empire, emphasizing this in every way in his media. There are two independent countries that can still stand up and say "we * sh * t to the states" two times. Oddly enough, some Latin American countries behave an order of magnitude more independently than omg the great Turkey.
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 17 July 2013 13: 43 New
      +2
      The number of tourists who came to Turkey as part of medical tourism in 4 years increased 3 times. The number of foreign patients by 2023 is expected to increase to 2 millions.

      Enginer Birdal, Secretary General of the Turkish Medical Tourism Association, noted that Turkey has reached a significant level in health tourism and will eventually become one of the leading countries in the world in this area.

      Birdal said that every year the number of tourists coming to Turkey as part of health tourism is increasing. In the 2008 year, this number was 74 thousand, in 2009 - 92 thousand, in 2010 - 110 thousand, in 2011 year - 155 thousand and in 2012 year - 262 thousand.

      Birdal also noted that according to 2011 data, Germany ranks first in the number of medical tourists, followed by Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Romania, Libya, the UK, the Netherlands, Russia and the USA.

      According to Birdal, the largest number of tourists come to Turkey to receive medical services in the field of cardiovascular surgery, followed by dentistry, orthopedics, plastic surgery, oncology, neurosurgery
  3. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 July 2013 07: 33 New
    +2
    Beat your own, so that others are afraid. This is about the Americans. They are already openly despised throughout the world, they are considered the culprits of all troubles. They sit at their oceans and try to “steer” in Eurasia and Africa, and what’s wrong, right by the cap.
  4. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 17 July 2013 07: 49 New
    0
    Another "crap ..." ... phew ... I want to write "democratic", and "KLAVA" again gives the true meaning of the revolutionary process taking place on the initiative of the USA in Turkey. Do not calm down in any way. They just can’t understand that for TURKEY in the new era, the United States has become very far away, and IRAN ... RUSSIA and a number of other states have become much closer ... and not only as neighbors ... after all, living in peace with neighbors is more profitable than with distant ... distant vassals. Other, equal and economic relations are better than the dictatorship and the half-bent position "What do you want?"
    That's just the excessive Islamization of TURKEY in recent times, prevents to become real friends with RUSSIA. But there is hope for the best ... ERDOGAN himself began to realize (and after a series of "friendly" conversations with the Russian leadership both on the phone and face to face) that it is dangerous to cross the borders of a secular state ....
  5. knn54
    knn54 17 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +1
    “Along with the purchase of American weapons, she is looking for alternative suppliers ...”
    By the end of 2011, more than half of the Turkish army’s weapons were manufactured by domestic manufacturers.
    - Having become economically strong, Turkey recognized the Islamic Republic of Iran ...
    Turkey successfully cooperates with Iran in the fight against the Kurdish Workers Party in the south-east of the country and does not want to lose it as an ally.
    Turkish Economy Minister Zafer Chaglayan said: “American sanctions are a personal matter for the United States. We have international treaties that impose certain obligations on us. And the unilateral decisions of the EU and the USA cannot oblige us to anything. ”
    And:
    -strategy “zero problems with neighbors”.
    - Erdogan’s return visit to Moscow was prepared on the eve of the preparation of the international conference on Syria, the so-called Geneva-2.
    -the prospect of Turkey joining the SCO, and even the Eurasian Union, and not the EU.
    There would be no "park", would have found something else ...
    PS "Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that the cause of the ongoing protests in the country is the global Jewish conspiracy" ...
    PPS "Traded us for ... NEIGHBORS" ... West.
  6. user
    user 17 July 2013 09: 05 New
    +3
    The usual Anglo-Saxon policy is nothing new.
    While you go on about you do not touch, if not, then there are many options. This also applies to relations with Russia.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 17 July 2013 13: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: user
      The usual Anglo-Saxon policy is nothing new.

      hi what is true is true))
      Five Russian volunteers - Strolman, Pokrovsky. Nikitin, Petrov, Duplov - died fighting for freedom Boers.
      Curiously attitude of emperor Nicholas II to this war. In a letter to his sister Xenia, he confessed: “I am pleased to know that only in my hands are the means to completely change the course of the war in Africa. This means - to order by telegraph to all Turkestan troops to mobilize and approach the border. That's all! None of the strongest fleets in the world can prevent us from cracking down on England right there, in the place most vulnerable to it. But the time for this has not yet come. ”
      Moreover, after 15 years, England was already a formal ally of Russia in the anti-German coalition.
      The possibility of the latter was foreseen by Edrikhin-Vandam already during the Boer War and warned compatriots:
      "It is bad to have an Anglo-Saxon enemy, but God forbid to have him as a friend ... The main enemy of the Anglo-Saxons on the path to world domination is the Russian people."
  7. pinecone
    pinecone 17 July 2013 09: 10 New
    +5
    Pushed by the Americans in the face of the “Soviet threat” into the North Atlantic Union, this Asian, Muslim country can become a source of great trouble for them.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 17 July 2013 09: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: pinecone
      asian



      Isn't she also a European country hi look at the map, dear))))
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 17 July 2013 09: 20 New
    0
    pinecone (3) RU
    Pushed by the Americans in the face of the “Soviet threat” into the North Atlantic Union, this Asian, Muslim country can become a source of great trouble for them.

    I would like to hope that in addition to Russia, more and more countries of the WORLD gave "on the nose" and on the claws of America.
  9. raja666
    raja666 17 July 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    Erdogan understands that he starts to smell fried and he, like all the other pro-American sixes, will be the scapegoat. Therefore, he oppresses his policy against the "stone-masons" as a goat, but no one wants to be)
  10. arminidi
    arminidi 17 July 2013 13: 39 New
    -3
    Quote: Yarbay
    He is not stupid at all Sanya!
    Smart and very!
    You just value it because of its relationship to Syria and Assad, as well as from the yellow press !!!
    Erdogan is smart and very prudent!
    There is simply an inaccuracy in the article!
    Erdogan from the nails to the ends of the hair USA project I'm sure of that!


    How is it in Azerbaijani! For the time being, for the time being Erdogan - that his father is dear, but as soon as the white horse of that one moved to an unsteady step, you immediately discovered that he, they say, was the project of "sworn friends" of the owners of this site ...
    Something familiar from the good old cartoon - Can't you find, Yarbay?! ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: arminidi
      For the time being, for the time Erdogan - that the father is dear

      You're just not in the subject))))))))))
      My attitude to him has never changed, and here, unlike you, everyone knows that!))
      Quote: arminidi
      How is it in Azerbaijani!

      this is exactly in Armenian))))


      For several days now, the whole of Armenia has been "standing on its ears." A universal howl and whine of “long-suffering” are heard from Yerevan, which are accompanied by a formidable shaking of the fists and the hysterical stomping of legs. In principle, we don’t get used to this cry, if not for one interesting point. This time rubbing snot in the face, they say, again offended us, as well as threats not addressed to Azerbaijan or Turkey. The Armenians decided to march on their master - Russia. The reason for the pan-Armenian squeal was a citizen of Armenia, a certain Hrachya Harutyunyan, who fled from “prosperous Armenia” to Russia to earn money. Rather, the attitude of the Russian law enforcement system to it.

      Recall that on July 13 in the "New Moscow" there was a terrible accident. Laden with crushed stone, KamAZ crashed into a regular bus in the vicinity of the village of Oznobishino at high speed.

      The bus was torn into two parts, and tons of rubble fell out on people. 18 people became victims of the tragedy; dozens ended up in hospitals.

      Let us note the reason why Armenia is ready to almost declare war on Russia. I understand that it sounds ridiculous, but we should not forget that the Armenians are the best warriors on the entire planet and beyond, and they should not be angry.

      So, this same Hrachya Harutyunyan, before getting into the dock and appearing in court, ended up in the Botkin Hospital. But the laf for him did not last long, and it was time to answer for what he had done. He was taken to court. However, he was brought to court in a rather ridiculous and ridiculous form: in a colored women's coat and slipper
      This aroused the indignation of the citizens of Armenia, who saw this as a violation of human rights. The Armenian Ombudsman Karen Andreasyan howled right there, who turned to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Lukin with a request to protect the rights and dignity of the Armenian citizen Hrachya Harutyunyan.
      As for the episode, when G. Harutyunyan was brought to court in a colored women's coat, the howl of the Armenians in this regard is incomprehensible. Some Armenian pseudo-political scientists even managed to politicize this incident, linking it with attempts to integrate Armenia into the European space, which is not to Russia's liking. Stupidity, of course, but we are talking about the Armenians. Following this logic, it can be argued that if any skinhead in Russia kills an Armenian tomorrow, then this is a good example of Moscow trying to drag Yerevan into the Eurasian Union and force it to turn its back on the European Uniona.
      http://www.vesti.az/news/166038
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 17 July 2013 16: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: arminidi
      How is it in Azerbaijani!



      Well, you actually know how in Azerbaijani !!!!!!!! and kebab ... and dolmu. And hash in the morning ........ and songs ..... and dances .. ....... fellow .all whistled ....... nothing left ...... laughing
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        and barbecue ... and dolmu. and hash in the morning ........ and songs ..... and dances .......... all whistled

        it's the little things))))
        They even stole Persian kings))))

        A previous publication with a similar title, devoted to the creation of a list of “kings of Hai” from the names of the ancient Iranian, Persian and Parthian rulers, aroused great reader interest. In it, using the example of the dynasty of the Persian rulers of the Orontids (4th-5th centuries BC), the methodology of the Haya myth-makers on the appropriation of royal names stolen from the rich historical heritage of the ancient peoples of the region was revealed. From these names, falsifiers fashioned myths about the rulers of the Hayastan country, which had never existed in the past (an artificial formation created on the lands of Azerbaijan and Georgia only at the beginning of the 20th century of a new era).
        Answering numerous questions regarding the subsequent periods of the ancient history of Asia Minor, which underwent a similar robbery by the Khai "historians", we suggest readers to familiarize themselves with the continuation of this topic by the example of another, no less famous dynasty, which, however, had nothing to do with the Hai people. Hiding the true origin of the primary sources of information, the Hai writers have achieved the goal of creating a closed, intra-national world of fictional history in which the rulers of all the kingdoms and empires of the region were reincarnated as hai only for them (and not for anyone else), for the sake of ethnic nationalism.
        Continued here)))
        I assure a very entertaining article))

        http://www.1news.az/analytics/20130705024724831.html
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 17 July 2013 16: 49 New
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          Quote: Yarbay
          I assure a very entertaining article))



          and there is an article on the site --- The Beginning of the Russian-Persian War of 1826-1828. The heroic defense of Shushi ....... even here they deny the obvious)) it turns out that our neighbors owned all the lands in Karabakh and they supplied grain))) the truth is what grain in the mountains is above 2000 meters))))))))))
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 July 2013 17: 09 New
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            Quote: smersh70
            and there is an article on the site --- The Beginning of the Russian-Persian War of 1826-1828. The heroic defense of Shushi ....... even here they deny the obvious)) it turns out that our neighbors owned all the lands in Karabakh and they supplied grain))) the truth is what grain in the mountains is above 2000 meters)))))))))

            Surely the author of Samsonov)))) ???
            Like Pikul, he writes art articles, not historical ones!)))
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 July 2013 11: 58 New
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          August 21, 1916. This day marks the first (from among the known and obvious facts) attempt of Armenian falsifiers to plagiarize the pearl of Azerbaijani culture - the operetta of Uzeyir Hajibeyov “Arshyn al Alan”. In the weekly “Russian Musical Culture” dated August 21, 1916 we read: “A graduate of the Paris Conservatory, the artist Armenyan created a group with which he has been working in the theater for thirteen years. Mr. Armenyan is also a national musicologist. Recently, he has been using music in his performances. We saw his most beautiful operetta “Arshyn Mal Alan” ... Glory to Mr. Armenyan, who created not only the national theater, but also restored Armenian music! ” According to Ainur Hajiyev’s research, as early as 1915 it was first stated that “Arshyn mal Alan” is an Armenian operetta. “In 1914, the troupe of Azerbaijani actor Huseyngulu Sarabsky toured in Tiflis. The operetta struck the imagination of a certain Sedrak Magalyan. " Magalyan, who had previously played containers in the Armenian ensemble, suggested that G. Sarabsky translate the operetta into Armenian, which received a reasonable answer: such questions should be agreed with the author of the work, maestro Uzeyir Hajibeyov. In the future, Magalyan manages to meet with the Azerbaijani composer and convince him of the need to translate Arshin Mal Alan into Armenian. In 1915, the premiere of the operetta by Uz.Hajibeyov in Armenian at the Ericksian Theater took place. The success of this premiere has largely contributed to the fact that in addition to Magalyan to the work of Uz. Hajibeyov was also “approached” by other Armenian businessmen from culture: G. Prumyan, S. Torosyan, I. Voskanyan, A. Armenyan. According to the research of A. Hajiyeva, since 1916, Armenian troupes began to “forget” to mention the name of Uz. Hajibeyov on posters: for the first time this happened during the tour of the Armenian troupe in Vladikavkaz. “In general, the troupe in whose repertoire was the operetta“ Arshyn mal Alan ”was controlled by a certain center. For example, the troupe of Armenian did not have the right to show with this performance in Baku, and the troupe of Vos-Kanyan in Russia. ” The mention of A. Gadzhieva about a single center for managing Armenian troupes is not accidental. According to reports, in the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, in addition to paramilitary units such as the Terrorist Committee, the Organization of Intimidation, the Self-Defense Committee, etc. - the so-called Cultural and Educational Society, promoting the Armenian culture in the context of plagiarism of cultural achievements of other nations, acted. (In the same way, for example, the Pythagorean theorem turned out to be an “achievement” of Armenian science).
          Having learned about the attempts of Armenian plagiarists to assign authorship of his operetta, Uzeyir Hajibeyov was forced to publish an ad in the newspaper in which he urged local activists throughout the Caucasus, Turkestan, Astrakhan and Azerbaijan to cooperate in the name of preserving the rights of the creators of the opera Ashug Garib and the operetta Arshin Mal Alan. " The outstanding composer Muslim Magomayev (the grandfather of the world-famous singer Muslim Magomayev) on February 8, 1919, wrote indignantly in the newspaper Azerbaijan: “... in Vladikavkaz, the play“ Arshin Mal Alan ”was indicated on the posters without the name of the author - Uzeyir bey. One Armenian artist tried to prove to me that allegedly “Arshin Mal Alan” was written by the Armenians from ancient times ... Is it time to put an end to this shame ?! ”
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 July 2013 12: 00 New
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            In 1924, Uzeyir Hajibeyov received a letter from New York from the cellist, Professor Okorkov, in which it is noted: “... Here and everywhere,“ Arshin mal Alan ”is shown. Your work is a huge success in America. Some Magalyan gives this operetta as his own and earns a lot of money. Magalyan was so enriched that he built himself a huge villa, on the pediment of which he wrote in huge letters “Arshin Mal Alan”. I have already agreed with lawyers to protect your copyrights. Send me a power of attorney ”. In 1937, a film was made in Hollywood based on the operetta of the same name by Uzeyir Hajibeyov without indicating his name, presented to the American public as an Armenian work ...

            This fact from the research of A. Gadzhieva is not accidentally included in this publication. Later, in 1970, on behalf of the already indignant Georgian public, R. Japaridze will speak: “Until now, it was known that a person can steal a thing, an object from a person, but brazenly steal a story from an entire people and appropriate it - an unheard of thing!"7
  11. slaventi
    slaventi 17 July 2013 15: 19 New
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    The long arm of the State Department reached Turkey?

    (And slightly patted her).
    Obviously, pressure is being exerted on Turkey by organizing riots. They are trying to keep Turkey on a short leash.
  12. Basil123
    Basil123 17 July 2013 20: 08 New
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    something like toilet paper. And Barack Obama really doesn’t like it when a soft piece of paper suddenly turns into an emery "skin" ... a skin but not a sack)))))))))) and what kind of skin Russia pushes there, however, with their laws ....... all according to law)
  13. arminidi
    arminidi 18 July 2013 12: 10 New
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    Something familiar from the good old cartoon - Can't you find, Yarbay?! ...
  14. arminidi
    arminidi 18 July 2013 12: 34 New
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    Quote: smersh70
    .and songs ..... and dances .......... everyone whistled.


    Yeah ... we should SUCH ART. laughing