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Japanese paratroopers will show the Chinese kuzkinu mother

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The Japanese figured out who recently represents the most terrible threat to the Land of the Rising Sun. In the new report of the Ministry of Defense of the country, the People's Republic of China and the DPRK were named as the states that are a growing threat to the security of Japan. And if, in relation to North Korea, Japanese analysts conducted a line to the United States (Pyongyang will work a little more, will create ballistic missiles on technologies tested in December, and they will reach the central and western regions of the continental US), but for China, placed on local territorial island disputes.


Japanese paratroopers will show the Chinese kuzkinu mother


"In the situation around Japan, there are a number of different problems and destabilizing factors, some of which are becoming more tangible, sharper and more serious," the report of the Japanese military quotes "Voice of America". According to the defense department of Japan, Beijing is trying to "force to change the status quo." However, it is based on "claims that are incompatible with existing international legislation."

The report also notes: “Some of China’s actions include the invasion of Japan’s territorial waters, the violation of its airspace, and even dangerous actions that may cause an unforeseen and extremely regrettable situation.”

By December 2013, Japan intends to submit a new defense plan. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party submitted recommendations to the government, including the study of issues of building capacity for attacking enemy targets.

On July 12, the head of the Japanese government, Shinzo Abe, in a statement published on the occasion of the state holiday of the Day of the Sea (July 15), noted that Japan would protect its interests at sea and ensure the safety of territorial waters and exclusive economic zones.

"The peace and prosperity of Japan, as a sea power, is built on freedom, openness and security of the seas," quotes Abe correspondent ITAR-TASS Igor Belyaev. “And I will defend the interests of our country at sea, its territorial waters and exclusive economic zones.”

Local analysts believe that the Prime Minister pointed out a territorial conflict with China around the Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu).

The head of the Japanese government said that he would not allow a single attempt to "resolve disputes at sea by force, not legislative law."

Igor Ponomarev ("CCI-Inform"), referring to the newspaper "Sankey", writes that the Japanese military department began to develop ballistic missiles with a range of 400-500 km. They are supposed to be used to defend the Senkaku Islands from the Chinese invasion. Placed missiles will be in Okinawa.

The Japanese Ministry of Defense predicts that new missiles will be able to cover the distance in 500 km in five minutes. According to the newspaper, Tokyo intends to use ballistic missiles to instantly prevent a possible landing of the enemy on the approaches to the islands.

Other details reported Daria Tsilyurik ("Independent newspaper"). In addition to ballistic missiles, the Land of the Rising Sun decided to create airborne troops on the American model.

General Tadao Maeda, commander of the First Airborne Brigade, told Reuters that Japan could create an airborne unit like the US Marine Corps. Landing will be made by convertoplanes (called the American "Bell V-22 Osprey"). Will also strengthened intelligence, which will give the "drones".

Obviously, D. Tsilyurik notes, the Japanese army expects to assume the functions performed by the US military bases in Okinawa. This is done in order to be able to independently protect the remote islands.

As for the Chinese, shortly after the report appeared, the representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Hua Chuning, said that Beijing is in favor of resolving territorial disputes through dialogue, but Japan "exaggerates the Chinese threat, provoking tensions and confrontation."

Andrey Ivanov ("Voice of Russia") notes that the Japanese Self-Defense Forces are separated from becoming a full-fledged army by two circumstances: 1) the lack of offensive weapons: strike aircraft carriers, long-range ballistic missiles, strategic bombers; 2) 9 is an article of the Constitution prohibiting the use of military force for any purpose that goes beyond self-defense.

Japan will be able to eliminate the first item relatively quickly. As for the 9 article, it’s what Mr. Abe wants to revisit the hawk.

As A. Ivanov reminds, several years ago, an amendment to the Japanese Constitution was called upon by Washington, who felt the need for Japanese assistance in military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. As the well-known Russian Japanese expert, Alexander Panov, notes, today the United States is not so ardently supporting Abe’s initiatives to revise the Constitution: Americans fear that the emergence of full-fledged armed forces in Japan in the face of aggravating its relations with its neighbors may aggravate the situation in the Asia-Pacific region. The cause of the aggravation will be territorial disputes.

The possible cooling of the United States to Japanese "rearmament" may be explained by another reason: a change in the relations of Washington and Beijing. We are talking about possible changes in the strategic relations between the United States and China, writes A. Ivanov.

In their articles, Chinese experts close to the Foreign Ministry speak of their readiness to build relations of a fundamentally new form with the United States. Materials in the press appeared just after the June summit of Barack Obama and Xi Jinping in California.

It is interesting that in the case of such an allied “Big Two” Japan loses the honorable and convenient status of the main US ally in the region. The possible confrontation between Washington and Beijing makes opponents of China and Japan. Both options are bad, which was explained by then-Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama back in 2009.

From here, we add in conclusion, and so tough is Mr. Abe’s position: to defend the disputed islands without the participation of the United States, with our own forces, with our own missiles, with our own marines. The world is changing before our eyes, and most likely, taking into account these changes, the Japanese Constitution will also be adjusted.

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  1. Dejavu
    Dejavu 16 July 2013 07: 38 New
    10
    I’m afraid that if the Chinese soldiers suddenly want to go to the toilet together, somewhere in the Okinawa area, the Japanese and all their islets will simply fill up with a slide. They would rivet their fotiki and telly, but would not climb where it is hot.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 16 July 2013 08: 15 New
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      Quote: dejavu
      I’m afraid that if the Chinese soldiers suddenly want to go to the toilet together, somewhere in the Okinawa area, the Japanese and all their islets will simply fill up with a slide. They would rivet their fotiki and telly, but would not climb where it is hot.
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 July 2013 08: 36 New
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        Quote: bomg.77
        The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

        Bili. And they are really worthy warriors. Only their territory ... they cried. A missile strike and there is no army or Japan
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 16 July 2013 09: 24 New
          +1
          What about aegis and missile defense systems? China does not have Soviet missiles and local consumer goods ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 16 July 2013 09: 32 New
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            Quote: T80UM1
            What about aegis and missile defense systems?

            And what does Aegis and ABM protect from everything? well, they’ll hit a dozen rockets and that will change or you have seen enough of American cartoons.
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 16 July 2013 09: 41 New
              -12
              just a dozen of China with just a dozen rockets ...
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 16 July 2013 10: 42 New
                +6
                Quote: T80UM1
                just a dozen of China with just a dozen rockets ...

                Well, no one knows how many missiles China actually has, everyone uses what is in the open press, and how it really is - everyone is silent.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 16 July 2013 15: 32 New
                +6
                Quote: T80UM1
                just a dozen of China with just a dozen rockets ...

                March to school, although there is no vacation now, but it's a pity.
                1. T80UM1
                  T80UM1 17 July 2013 09: 50 New
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                  Can you be more polite? List of ICBMs with quantity provide then.
              3. theadenter
                theadenter 16 July 2013 22: 22 New
                0
                There may be “10” nuclear missiles (but I suspect that there are 50 or more, since this is already a very powerful argument), and what, they will not be enough for Japan, or what?
                Nuclear missiles will fly after the first or second wave of conventional missiles when the missile defense is recharged. Yes, and not every missile defense system will bring down ICBMs or its warheads.
              4. sasha.28blaga
                sasha.28blaga 17 July 2013 05: 27 New
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                And 1 patriots.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 16 July 2013 15: 47 New
            +2
            IJIS is good at PR, but in practice they shot down only conditional targets with precisely known coordinates, and then, they were targets at a considerable distance, and if there is a war between Japan and China, then the distance is already significantly reduced as well as the response time. In general, I would not bet on missile defense!
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 16 July 2013 15: 46 New
          +6
          in fact, if you look at the territory of China, or rather the density of population, it is clear that half of the territory is not populated, and the bulk of the people are concentrated in certain centers such as Shanghai, Beijing, etc.
          So in the event that the conflict develops into a full-fledged war with the use of nuclear weapons, China will also not be sweet.
        3. Dober
          Dober 16 July 2013 16: 17 New
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          Quote: domokl
          And they are really worthy warriors.

          It's like that. More precisely WERE such. Until they got in touch with Hitler and smashed their "Kamikaz" Bosko about the Russian army in Manchuria. Let's say not without the help of amers ...
          Since then, they don’t even have an ARMY. But there are "close (sexual?) Contacts" with those who have tested nuclear weapons on them.
          And if not for the presence of this in the world, then ...
          The Chinese are the most dangerous enemy in the world. These are the greatest rationalists, a stubborn and ruthless people, very far from Christian humanism and democracy, "slightly invaluable" laughing The Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen, and indeed human life. The national consolidation of the Chinese is so high that it borders on national arrogance, national isolation and ethno-egocentrism: in this sense, the Chinese will give odds even to Jews. (It’s unusual for the Russian reader to find out about this, but it is.)
          There is no doubt that in the coming century we will witness a grandiose battle for world domination between the two most ancient and distinctive civilizations, where the Chinese themselves will be “played” mainly by the Chinese themselves, and by the rest - all the peoples of the West.
          It is clear that, due to geopolitical realities, Russia occupies a special place in the plans of those “wishing to overthrow China” and requires especially tight control. For it is she who has the largest border in the world with China, it is she who is primarily assigned the role of a buffer, if not a ram. To take the first blow of China or to deliver the first blow itself is one of two things: this is what Russia most likely has to do according to the plans of the world behind the scenes. And IF, when from time to time calls are heard for our entry into NATO, for close cooperation and strategic partnership with this organization, I understand that we, “as obedient slaves,” are once again given the dubious honor of “holding a shield between two hostile races ". Do we need this? And how can this end for us?
          Russia would "smoke aside" while the amers push the Japs under the Chinese. And draw conclusions ...
          1. Lech from ZATULINKI
            Lech from ZATULINKI 16 July 2013 16: 19 New
            +6
            yeah, they’re certainly good warriors - to string children on bayonets
        4. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 16 July 2013 17: 32 New
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          The Japanese are some of the most worthy warriors in Asia.


          I know only those worthy of howling in Asia - the Vietnamese.
          1. olviko
            olviko 16 July 2013 18: 08 New
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            I agree . In this whole company, like warriors, only the Vietnamese cause respect, I compare the Arabs with the Vietnamese - they fought with the same Soviet weapon against the same American one, and the results are completely different. I think if the Vietnamese lived in the Middle East, the Jews would not be too good.
            1. matross
              matross 16 July 2013 21: 35 New
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              Quote: olviko
              I think if the Vietnamese lived in the Middle East, the Jews would not be too good.

              And even better Russian!
              And if the Arabs would live in Vietnam, then at one time the Americans would pick them!
              And the features of warfare in mountainous and wooded areas exactly repeat the features of war in a desert and low-water theater!
              And if my grandmother had a buoy, she would be a grandfather laughing
              1. olviko
                olviko 17 July 2013 07: 57 New
                +2
                You don’t have to worry so much, dear, but you need to carefully read the text. We are not talking about the mountainous and wooded area and not about what my grandmother would have, but about the moral and psychological qualities of the Vietnamese. And on a deserted and low-water, and on any other theater, endurance, discipline, personal courage, love for one’s country, etc., etc. I will not further bore the well-known truths of such a specialist in military affairs as you. I can only say that, thanks to these qualities, the Vietnamese defeated the US super-armed army, and the Arabs, due to the lack of them, lost all their wars.
                1. matross
                  matross 17 July 2013 10: 35 New
                  -4
                  Why did you get this, dear friend, that I worry about your stupidities, and even so much? Well, do you think that a poorly equipped and poorly armed army with high fighting spirit is capable of defeating the Jews in the Middle East theater, and God will judge you!
                  Quote: olviko
                  the most important role is endurance, discipline, personal courage, love for one’s country, etc., etc.

                  To the "Sons of Israel" you, of course, refuse these qualities. Oh well...
                  Quote: olviko
                  about the moral and psychological qualities of the Vietnamese.

                  But this really matters. Only called differently - mentality (look in the dictionary). And there is no question of any love for the Motherland. But there is indifference to death - one's own and another's. And this quality is inherent not only to the Vietnamese, but to everyone, so that it would be more understandable, to the narrow-eyed peoples of the Far Eastern region. Although this topic is being discussed in two words ...
                  1. olviko
                    olviko 17 July 2013 11: 14 New
                    +1
                    As for the sons of Israel, so them, starting with Kissinger and other high-ranking officials in the State Department, min. defense, US intelligence to the last ordinary, fighting in Vietnam, was enough, but something that did not help much.
                    1. matross
                      matross 17 July 2013 12: 20 New
                      0
                      And what does this mean, the incapacity of the Israeli army or the weakness and fragmentation of Israeli society? Do not bore with your stream of consciousness, I ask you! The fact that the Arabs are fucking soldiers, no one in his right mind doubts, but for the rest, fire ... heresy is all!
                      1. olviko
                        olviko 17 July 2013 13: 22 New
                        +2
                        Actually, dear, I would like to remind you that we were talking about the Vietnamese, about the fighting qualities of this people. The Jews came under distribution so, by chance, for comparison. So don’t take it to heart, I can even say a compliment if this will comfort you. Indeed, in comparison with the crap, as you have expressed, the IDF looks preferable to the Arab armies. I admit this in its entirety. Perhaps this is the end, I dare not bore your mind anymore. I wish the Jewish people to win at least one, in their great history, war against a really strong opponent. And then I read the story, starting with Moses, it became somehow boring - some merchants, money-lenders, bankers, and even Mordecai, aka Karl, Marx.
                      2. matross
                        matross 17 July 2013 15: 19 New
                        -2
                        Straight the whole story "revered"? Starting from Moses? In 2 hours? Are you bored? Well, look at the telly or look through the comics! However, you deserve a plus from me. For the will to win! hi
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 16 July 2013 08: 51 New
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      I agree. China may also get luli. In fact, in spite of all the ostentatious power of China, her soldier did not prove himself on the battlefield and never won. There is no taste of victory, but there is bitterness of defeat.
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 July 2013 08: 53 New
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        Quote: ed65b
        Despite all the ostentatious power of China, her soldier did not prove himself on the battlefield and never won.

        Well, why. Let me remind you of Korea. The Chinese are not very bad at war with the Americans ...
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 16 July 2013 09: 29 New
          +4
          They fought with meat, the Americans lost 38000 in that war, and the Chinese 400000
          1. Middle-brother
            Middle-brother 16 July 2013 11: 56 New
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            Quote: T80UM1
            They fought with meat

            If they even now start fighting meat, Japan will only have to sympathize. Suppose that the toilet seats in their homes are crammed with electronics, but the samurai spirit has been destroyed from them. Samurai, as they say, is no longer a cake smile
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 16 July 2013 15: 06 New
              -2
              Why do you think so?
          2. yurii p
            yurii p 16 July 2013 12: 31 New
            -27
            and bugs as fought










            and the bugs as other Stalinist marshals fought.
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 16 July 2013 14: 37 New
              +6
              So not all Stalinist marshals fought. We look for example - Vasilevsky, Rokossovsky, you can also see about Antonov, Vatutin. Not everyone.
            2. Dober
              Dober 16 July 2013 16: 43 New
              +5
              Quote: yurii p
              bugs as other Stalinist marshals fought

              The delirium of stoned liberoid !. Do not listen to these balabol. So take a calculator, read, read and draw conclusions -
              And today we are witnessing these formulas in action. From the television screens and from the pages of the print media, tsunamis of lies about the losses of the Red Army are pouring, and they are pouring continuously. Niagara Falls of the latest “research” is pouring onto the viewer and reader. According to these “investigations”, they are very “knowledgeable” in military affairs, “well versed in strategy and operational art”, although they have not served in the army for a single day, have not fought, a number of writers, journalists and “historians” without undue modesty calling themselves “military experts”, “military observers”, “military analysts”, it turns out that Stalin and his entourage did everything in their power to lose the war, and while it goes on, to destroy the people more. All their decisions were wrong, stupid, mediocre, anti-people. None of the Stalin generals, they say, had absolutely no military knowledge, could not make the right tactical and strategic decisions, could not manage the fighting, and if he achieved success in some places, it was only because he simply overwhelmed the Germans with Red Army corpses mountains of burnt Soviet tanks and piles of crashed red star aircraft.

              Further here -

              http://sovross.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=593531

              Stalingrad 43rd. Captured Romanians ...
          3. cdrt
            cdrt 16 July 2013 14: 34 New
            +6
            It can also be meat (in the sense of human waves), only the Americans themselves recognized that in the presence of sufficient human reserves (among the Chinese) and supply problems in the mountains (among the United Nations: Americans, Australians, French, etc.), this tactics gave very good results.
            But (!) Only in case of success of the advancing.
            When the cartridges ran out and the American defense broke down - as a result, the total human losses of the Chinese exceeded the American in these cases by 1.5-2 times (which, in principle, was a normal payment for the difference in the technological level of the troops).
            Of course, if the Americans had a normal supply, and the attacks were choked, the Chinese were very heavy.
            But still, after the Koreas, there was a Cultural Revolution in China - the army became completely different.
            Probably closer to the modern KPA - the Vietnam-China War. It clearly showed itself as sadists in relation to the civilian population, but tens of times smaller Vietnam knocked them out of its territory.
            True, the Vietnamese seem to be almost the most belligerent people in the whole of Southeast Asia, who shortly before this, heaped on both the French (far from the last soldiers in the world) and the Americans.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 16 July 2013 15: 08 New
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              Quote: cdrt
              True, the Vietnamese seem to be almost the most belligerent people in the whole of Southeast Asia, who shortly before this, heaped on both the French (far from the last soldiers in the world) and the Americans.

              Have you seen the difference in losses? North Vietnam and the United States had different goals. The United States sought to maintain parity. North Vietnam - Capture South. Which, however, does not negate the good preparation of the Vietnamese.
          4. Gari
            Gari 16 July 2013 15: 08 New
            +8
            From the history of the US war with Japan
            At the end of November 1943, in accordance with the Nimitz plan - an offensive through the central part of the Pacific Ocean - the Americans decided to take the Tarava Atoll, the center of the Japanese defense of the Gilbert Islands.
            The main island of Taraw Atoll - Betio is four kilometers long and a little over half a kilometer wide. It was well fortified, it housed a three thousandth garrison plus 2 thousand workers, about 50 guns, including four eight-inch British guns brought from Singapore, and several light tanks.
            About a week Betio was subjected to continuous bombardment. At dawn on November 20, the American fleet approached the atoll; its guns fired 3 tons of shells at Betio. Admiral Kingman, responsible for the artillery preparation, looking at the puffs of smoke and dust that completely covered the island, complacently remarked: "It is almost impossible for anyone to survive on Betio."
            At 8.25 a.m., the landing craft moved in six waves to the shore. The first three waves consisted of "alligators" - self-propelled barges that had caterpillars that allowed them to overcome reefs and crawl ashore. At 8.45 the fleet, fearing to smite the paratroopers in the smoke, ceased fire.
            The Alligators needed another fifteen minutes to reach the coast.
            The stunned and shell-shocked defenders of the atoll in these few minutes got out of their shelters and opened well-aimed fire. The system of landing craft mixed up, many of them were shot down, the rest turned back. Soldiers from damaged "alligators" jumped into the water and drowned under the weight of equipment, while others, under heavy machine-gun fire, hobbled about half a kilometer in the shallows, reaching Betio.
            By evening, more than a third of the 5 paratroopers were killed or wounded. Two more days of intense fighting followed before being able to occupy the island. 17 Japanese remained alive from the garrison, who were captured.
          5. Starshina wmf
            Starshina wmf 2 August 2013 09: 01 New
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            Notice they fought only with light weapons. Without the support of aviation and tanks.
          6. The comment was deleted.
        2. 77bor1973
          77bor1973 16 July 2013 09: 33 New
          +6
          They fought not badly lost about 1 million people.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 16 July 2013 15: 03 New
          +1
          They fought. Having lost substantially more people. Factor of. But the goal was never achieved.
        4. Scoun
          Scoun 16 July 2013 19: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: domokl
          The Chinese are not very bad at war with the Americans ...

          In general, if you look at the story .. then basically the Chinese constantly raked being in the majority .. and the Japanese in the 2nd World War showed themselves cannibals and a mentally ill nation ... and even now I treat them the same way .. any sick nation the infection sticks to them tightly and in combination with their zeal ... they work as stubborn ... and it doesn't matter whether they kill people or stand behind the machine .. they work like a conveyor ..
          Lyokha from the backstage posted a photo ... and how many such atrocities they have created .. scary to think .. this is what kind of rotten mentality you need to have ... and he has them rotten.
          http://www.rumbur.ru/history/494-drugaya-yaponiya
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 July 2013 09: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: ed65b
        In fact, despite all the ostentatious power of China, her soldier did not prove himself on the battlefield and never won.

        you look for the history of China and find out who was the world economic leader at the beginning of the 20th century wink
        With regards to the soldiers, any army would envy their training.
        1. 77bor1973
          77bor1973 16 July 2013 10: 03 New
          +5
          Their training is so good, but more like a circus.
        2. Gemar
          Gemar 16 July 2013 14: 50 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          you look for the history of China and find out who was the world economic leader at the beginning of the 20th century

          Here you are wrong. request
          The situation in the country at the beginning of the 20th century was extremely unstable. The Opium Wars, the Taiping and Nianjuan Uprising, the West imposing its will on China - all this in the 19th century greatly undermined the economy of China. Plus, the results of the boxing uprising (when the Chinese showed their essence to foreigners - Nazism, which I still observe while living in China), when the West “finished off” China, torn by internal contradictions. Add to this the Empress, who spent the bulk of the treasury on her entertainment, and not on the country ...
          But earlier ... Yes, China was the first economy in the world, surpassing even the British Empire.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          With regards to the soldiers, any army would envy their training.

          Here you are right. request
          Soon, any country would envy the equipping of their army ... recourse
        3. zennon
          zennon 16 July 2013 15: 21 New
          +7
          you look for the history of China and find out who was the world economic leader at the beginning of the 20th century

          At the beginning of the 20th century, small-shavens were the world leader. As for the rank, at the beginning of the 20th century, who did not have her birthmark! By the way, the Republic of China (hereinafter the rank) lol ) was proclaimed only in 1912. Prior to this, from 1644 to 1911 the Manchus were full masters. But these were only separate provinces. He unified the Chiang Kai-shek rank in 1927. It may be interesting to you, but the population of the rank in the notorious 1913 was LESS the population of Russia! 105 million against 112. In order to show what the official Soldat is, we can recall two "opium wars" with the same small-shavens. In the first, the strength of the Nagli expeditionary force along with the Indians attached was barely 4000 souls. The rank was about 220 000 in the Manchu "eight-banner army"! In addition, there were reservists of about 650! Guess three times who won? That's right! At the same time, the main losses the citizens suffered from climate and disease. The result of the first war was an indemnity of 000 silver lan (15 000 dollars), transfer of the Hong Kong island to the United Kingdom and the opening of official ports for trade. The second is 000 million lan indemnities, open to Tianjin for foreign trade, permission to use the Chinese as labor (coolies) in the colonies of Great Britain and France. The Japanese began a war with the rank of 21. They took over vast territories, as far as their losses are concerned, 000, according to their own information. So ...
      3. yurii p
        yurii p 16 July 2013 12: 29 New
        +1
        just because China has been in this state for no more than 70 years.
      4. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 16 July 2013 15: 53 New
        +1
        What is their bitterness of defeat being asked, is that the political arena was changing, they fought very well, they were ready to continue kneading Korea, they were ready to continue to slaughter the Americans in Vietnam, and then they also gave them a Vietnamese, they were just all the time restrained politics above all
    3. Joker
      Joker 16 July 2013 08: 54 New
      +5
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

      Beat me hi The Chinese and the second world they drove before that several times and the Japanese have the strongest fleet there.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 July 2013 10: 12 New
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        Quote: Joker
        The Chinese and in the second world they drove


        And our army at 45 passed through the Japanese like a knife through oil, and Hassan with Khalkhin-goal didn’t add any glory to them.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 16 July 2013 10: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: Vadivak
          And our army at 45 passed through the Japanese like a knife through oil, and Hassan with Khalkhin-goal didn’t add any glory to them.

          In 45, our army was the most experienced in the world, but if our 45 had not immediately climbed into China, I think the Americans and their allies would have washed their blood from the Kwantung army.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 16 July 2013 11: 27 New
            +8
            Quote: PSih2097
            I think the Americans and their allies would wash themselves with blood from the Kwantung army.


            Definitely, this is not to jump around the islands where there is no freedom to maneuver, until you bomb the bombs
        2. Gari
          Gari 16 July 2013 12: 18 New
          +8
          Quote: Vadivak
          And our army at 45 passed through the Japanese like a knife through oil, and Hassan with Khalkhin-goal didn’t add any glory to them.

          Composition of the Kwantung Army: about 1000 thousand people, 6260 guns and mortars, 1150 tanks, 1500 aircraft
          The main hostilities on the continent were 12 days, through August 20. However, individual clashes continued until September 10, which became the day of the end of the complete surrender and capture of the Kwantung Army.
          The fighting on the islands completely ended on September 5.
          As a result, the millionth Kwantung army was completely defeated. According to Soviet data, her casualties amounted to 84 thousand people, about 600 thousand were taken prisoner. Irreversible losses of the Red Army amounted to 12 thousand people.
          Soviet troops occupied Manchuria.
          As you can see, the samurai spirit did not help
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 16 July 2013 14: 49 New
          +1
          1. We were taught to Japan by the best teachers in the world - the Wehrmacht with the still living traditions of the Prussian army. And learned to fame - as an example Bagration, a breakthrough in the Balkans.
          2. Japan did not actually develop a land army, and weak weapons, and military equipment, and tactics / operational art were at the level of the 1920s. But the Navy - probably were the best in the world, and the Air Force, in principle, is not bad, only small.
          Anecdote is old:
          -How did you get a new job?
          - Yes.
          Are they getting paid?
          -Pay
          -Good?
          -Good but small
          3. Well then, you should probably not forget that we started the database on the day of the second nuclear strike, and Japan surrendered 6 days after our entry into the war.
        4. Dober
          Dober 16 July 2013 16: 52 New
          +2
          There would be a photo "in color", I would say that these are migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan near Moscow. After the FMS raid laughing
      2. JonnyT
        JonnyT 16 July 2013 10: 38 New
        19
        The Japanese simply do not have enough industrial potential to defeat China!
        Japan is a sprinter! For them, there is a chance to defeat China only in lightning-fast military operations .... The Japanese leadership is doing the right thing, which is developing quick reaction forces equipped with the latest technical achievements and the best weapons.
        But if the “blitzkrieg” fails, and no one stands up for Japan. That Japan is doomed.
        If necessary, China will build a wide bridge from the corpses of its soldiers to Japan ....
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 July 2013 09: 18 New
      15
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are some of the most worthy warriors in Asia.


      In the past. Since the beginning of cooperation with the United States, Japanese youth have less respect for the codes of their ancestors
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 09: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        In the past. Since the beginning of cooperation with the United States, Japanese youth have less respect for the codes of their ancestors
        Their traditions are very strong, plus they adhere to a policy of isolationism, and the United States has no less infiltrated China and other countries, but the characteristic features of the nation remain and even more so among such ancients! hi
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 16 July 2013 09: 51 New
          +9
          Quote: bomg.77
          Their traditions are very strong, plus they adhere to a policy of isolationism.

          Traditions are undoubtedly strong, but the policy of isolationism ended in 1853 when the squadron, commanding Commander Perry, landed five hundred armed sailors on the coast of the Kurigamsk Bay, Perry brought a hundred of his guns to the port and affectionately suggested: gentlemen, the Japanese, should we sign a trade agreement? But can you open several ports for American merchant ships and our goods? What do you think?

          The Japanese sadly looked at the ships bristling with guns, at the half-heartedly brave American guys and immediately agreed: well, well, it's time, we ourselves were going to ... Where to sign? hi
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 16 July 2013 14: 51 New
        +3
        Yes there (Japan) in general all the young growth is absolutely Americanized.
      3. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 16 July 2013 15: 50 New
        +1
        As one famous general said; -Do not go to Moscow and do not send infantry to fight in China.
    5. T80UM1
      T80UM1 16 July 2013 09: 23 New
      +2
      The Chinese are now, along with the Americans, a major headache. May Japan break China again as always ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 July 2013 09: 35 New
        13
        Quote: T80UM1
        . May Japan break China again as always ..

        Will sweat to smash.
        1. Master Taiga
          Master Taiga 16 July 2013 13: 03 New
          +5
          Well yes. Recall the history of Sino-Japanese conflicts. The Japanese beat China even during the Tang Dynasty, when China was even stronger than it is now.
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        1. Dejavu
          Dejavu 16 July 2013 09: 51 New
          +7
          The Americans can’t deceive China to slightly increase the renminbi, and you are swaying at the global union. It will not be this.
        2. dominion
          dominion 16 July 2013 10: 04 New
          +4
          If China and the United States agree (Far East for China, and the United States for Siberia), then it will not seem to us much. And from China alone it will not be sweet.

          Far East and Siberia they will see only in the next world, through the peephole.
      3. Tatb
        Tatb 16 July 2013 14: 56 New
        +2
        If the crocodile ate your enemy !!! This does not mean that he is your friend! stop
      4. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 16 July 2013 16: 07 New
        -1
        Aha will break on the coastline of China and perish in the depths of the sea))
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    7. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 July 2013 09: 31 New
      14
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia

      they were once samurai, but time has passed.
      Quote: bomg.77
      . These are Asian Germans.

      you see what the Germans turned into, the same Japanese, only with big eyes belay
      Quote: bomg.77
      .China they beat more than once.

      Now China, if desired, piles on both of them more than once laughing
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 09: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        they were once samurai, but time has passed.
        there are samurai in Japanese villages.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        you see what the Germans turned into, the same Japanese, only with big eyes
        they are held back by amerikos and here they are from themselves quiet and broken, and so they are still those gavriks
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Now China, if desired, piles on both of them more than once
        The most important thing is not to forget to wear Shaolin slippers laughing
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 16 July 2013 14: 55 New
        +6
        you see what the Germans turned into, the same Japanese, only with big eyes

        Actually to Bismarck-Moltke st. the whole of Europe and the whole world treated the Germans as peaceful romantic burgher brewers (the funny thing is that even Austria was like that), the days of Frederick passed, and the army with them went away. And then how it began ... 1870, 1914-18b 1939-45.
        This is to the fact that who knows what is cooked in their souls. Mishima, when did the rebellion rise? 40 years ago in total.
    8. Corsair
      Corsair 16 July 2013 09: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

      China is not the same, and Japan has slightly lost the gloss of the empire ...
      Link, though slightly "with a beard", but suggestive of some thoughts ...
      http://www.odnagdy.com/2010/08/blog-post_9626.html
    9. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 16 July 2013 09: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: bomg.77
      China they beat more than once.

      Correctly say "beat", and the ancient Greeks also once beat, and now ... And now there will be bits themselves. The Japanese are no longer the same, in fact, like the Germans.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 10: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        Correctly say "beat", and the ancient Greeks also once beat, and now ... And now there will be bits themselves. The Japanese are no longer the same, in fact, like the Germans.
        If you say that they are not the same, then their opponent is also not the same!
        1. Ustian
          Ustian 16 July 2013 11: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: bomg.77
          If you say that they are not the same, then their opponent is also not the same!

          Only with different signs + - hi
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 16 July 2013 11: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Ustian
            Only with different signs + -

            to whom is plus to whom is minus?
            1. Ustian
              Ustian 16 July 2013 12: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: bomg.77
              to whom is plus to whom is minus?

              Theoretically, + China, and -Japan. Ideally, China = Japan, that there would be no temptation to wrestle. Let diplomats work hard! sad
    10. Dejavu
      Dejavu 16 July 2013 09: 46 New
      10
      The Japanese are some of the most worthy warriors in Asia.


      Who would argue! But the Japanese are now in a worthless position. The region has a clear steering wheel for the PRC. Where they sail, they anchor there and embark, and what the Japanese say to that - yes, nothing. They will begin to look at the USA with a plea for help in their eyes. And Americans, as practice has shown, very quickly forget who are friends and who are enemies. Clinton kissed Mursi in the ass yesterday, today you look at the United States will help restore dermocracy in Egypt. Therefore, arguing with China for Japan is not a wise move. Most likely they’ll say - deal with China yourself, we have a crisis here and not for you.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 11: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: dejavu
        But the Japanese are now in a worthless position. The region has a clear steering wheel for the PRC.
        China is strong who would argue, but China will not have an easy victory
    11. Ustian
      Ustian 16 July 2013 11: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

      But not now, not now. sad
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 11: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Ustian
        But not now, not now.

        They won’t beat China, but they will weigh a couple of samurai slaps. laughing
        1. Ustian
          Ustian 16 July 2013 12: 49 New
          +1
          [quote = bomg.77] They won’t beat China, but they will weigh a couple of samurai slaps.
          Unfortunately, the plumes threaten everyone in the region.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 16 July 2013 14: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Ustian
            Unfortunately, the plumes threaten everyone in the region.
            Vladimir Vladimirovich are you? laughing
            1. Ustian
              Ustian 16 July 2013 23: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: bomg.77
              Vladimir Vladimirovich are you?

              Yesya-how many years, you almost have not changed! drinks
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 17 July 2013 03: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Ustian
                Quote: bomg.77
                Vladimir Vladimirovich are you?

                Yesya-how many years, you almost have not changed! drinks

                laughing drinks
    12. Guun
      Guun 16 July 2013 11: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

      I agree with you. The defense of Japan remains the strongest in this region. In the event of a war with the PRC, I don’t even know who will be the winner, although Japan’s chances to withstand the PRC without nuclear weapons are very good.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 12: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Guun
        Japan to withstand the PRC without nuclear weapons is very good.
        This seems to me the key moment of nuclear weapons, ceteris paribus, I would put on Japan
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 16 July 2013 12: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: bomg.77
          This seems to me the key moment of nuclear weapons


          I think this is a purely political decision, if they deem it necessary they will acquire nuclear weapons within two months.
    13. Gari
      Gari 16 July 2013 11: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

      Strokes to the Japanese portrait
      The cruel and insidious Japanese nature, given to man as if in spite, left an indelible imprint on the character traits of the population. All this contributes to the development of the Japanese courage, self-control, patience and other national qualities.
      Japan for many years pursued a policy of self-isolation, which, along with its insular position, led to the formation of a homogeneous ethnic group, in its own way interesting and rather distinctive.
      In Japan, a lonely person is doomed.
      1. Gari
        Gari 16 July 2013 11: 59 New
        +2
        Bushido - the spirit of Japan
        The unwritten moral code of the samurai, their ideals and aspirations are indicated by the term "bushido" (literally "the way of the warrior")
        Busi had to be able to shoot well from a bow, ride a horse, skillfully fight with swords. The directness and firmness of the bush, his honor, devotion, fearlessness and modesty were appreciated.
        It was these qualities that the samurai then cultivated, turning them into their traditional values.
        A samurai with a sword behind his belt is always ready to advance. Then his mind will be focused on death, readiness for which is the main quality of a warrior.
        A samurai death wish must be complete. He had no right to fear her, to dream that he would live forever. All thoughts of a warrior, according to Bushido, should be directed to rush into the thick of enemies and die with a smile.
        The determination to die did not appear by itself. It was strengthened in the process of careful consideration, when death became the meaning of life, and its voluntary choice became the most magnificent
        the act of man.
        By 1941, the samurai caste was officially abolished for 74 years.
        However, the Bushido spirit was still maintained in the military environment. The fact that the Bushido code was not officially introduced into the army does not make it less important, since it existed as an ideal, as faith, as a creed.
        Bushido proved his ability to raise the Japanese to the most stunning deeds in the name of the "holy land of Yamato."
        1. Gari
          Gari 16 July 2013 12: 12 New
          +9
          The Japanese mafia - the yakuza - came to the aid of the victims of the earthquake and tsunami. In many prefectures, it was its representatives, not government officials, who were the first at the scene of the tragedy, helping the wounded and saving the victims. The mafia sent tons of food, water, medicines and warm clothes to the Japanese evacuation centers affected by the earthquake and tsunami.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 16 July 2013 12: 27 New
            +2
            Gary plus you
            1. Gari
              Gari 16 July 2013 12: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: bomg.77
              Gary plus you

              Thank you, but this is proof of the Japanese mentality
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 16 July 2013 12: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Gari
                Thank you, but this is proof of the Japanese mentality
                The fact that in the event of war Japan does not win is clear, but an easy walk will also fail.
              2. Scoun
                Scoun 17 July 2013 10: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Gari
                this is proof of the Japanese mentality

                but only with respect to the Japanese, they have been isolated for a very long time from the whole world .. and their rules and their concepts apply only to the Japanese themselves .. to other nations they have a different attitude ..
                as an example: (I have been professionally engaged in Japan for several years) - I ask a Japanese question; or maybe Japanese to accept your Shinto faith? answer: how can he accept our religion if he has no relatives of the Japanese?
                Shinto, Shinto (神道 神道 Shinto:?, "The path of the gods") is the traditional religion of Japan. Based on the animistic beliefs of the ancient Japanese, the objects of worship are numerous deities and the spirits of the dead.
        2. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 16 July 2013 14: 10 New
          +5
          I agree, it’s better that one is brave than a hundred cowards, for some reason it seems that China is cowardly, if it gets a real thrashing, everyone will run away from the battlefield, these are not Mongols, that they would kill a hundred if a dozen run.
          1. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 17 July 2013 06: 57 New
            0
            both will run, only in different numbers.
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 17 July 2013 10: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Gari
          Bushido - the spirit of Japan

          that's about this bushido all the Internet is for ... but this bushido only applies to other Japanese people in relation to other nations there is a complete collection ... abominations .. you can torture, torture, deceive and the woman is not a woman old man, their child is violet for not the Japanese .. so this bushido painted Hollywood.
    14. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 16 July 2013 12: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.


      The Germans were also beaten more than once. And the Chinese, in those years when this could happen, could beat everyone, including the papus of New Guinea. Now I do not advise even the Germans to meddle there with a beating ...
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 16 July 2013 14: 14 New
        +3
        I also agree that each nation has its own triumph of military history, Italians during Ancient Rome, Greeks during Macedonian, Mongols during Genghis Khan, French during Napoleon, Germans when Hitler was also Russian under Stalin ...

        ... but still it does not seem that China is headed by a brilliant commander or a daring state leader, and that now is their time.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 17 July 2013 02: 19 New
          -1
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          each nation has its own triumph of military history, Italians during the time of Ancient Rome, Greeks during the time of Macedon, Mongols during Genghis Khan

          History was written by people who were far from sciences, but close to worship, they understood in military affairs less than a fifth grader in a Soviet school!
          What are the ancient Romans? Which Greeks?
          Which hare? Which eagle? What flea?
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 18 July 2013 22: 33 New
            0
            This is precisely the answer of a person far from science at the level of the fifth grader, all ingenious commanders knew history, especially military, didn’t they tell you in the army that the charter appeared long before the man? =)
    15. self-propelled
      self-propelled 16 July 2013 13: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

      indisputably. only China with its army is far from the one that was before (mid-20 century). in the event of an armed conflict with China, units can argue (and Japan is not included in this list) ...
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 16: 37 New
        0
        Quote: self-propelled
        Quote: bomg.77
        The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

        indisputably. only China with its army is far from the one that was before (mid-20 century). in the event of an armed conflict with China, units can argue (and Japan is not included in this list) ...

        where in my koment you see that I say that China remained in the 20 century?
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 16 July 2013 22: 05 New
          0
          Quote: bomg.77
          where in my koment you see that I say that China remained in the 20 century?

          Actually, I don’t ascribe the words about “China in the 20 century” (if you haven’t noticed). just the last time the Japanese beat China in the first half of the 20 century. so I’m saying that present-day China is not the same (compared to China from the time of the “Japanese beating”). I think it will be clear. with respect hi
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 17 July 2013 03: 49 New
            0
            Quote: self-propelled
            Actually, I don’t ascribe the words about “China in the 20 century” (if you haven’t noticed). just the last time the Japanese beat China in the first half of the 20 century. so I’m saying that present-day China is not the same (compared to China from the time of the “Japanese beating”). I think it will be clear. with respect
            Self-propelled gun I wrote that the Chinese were always beaten is a historical fact! The fact that he is now rich and strong is undeniable and the probability that he will win percent 75-80, but this will require effort from China and not small. My koment about the fact that the Japanese are strong warriors and they are Asian Germans, was the answer to the previous hat-making comments. hi
    16. Tatb
      Tatb 16 July 2013 14: 50 New
      +1
      Yes there were warriors! And Shas is a country of debauchery and Pokimon !!! wassat
    17. Suvorov000
      Suvorov000 16 July 2013 15: 47 New
      +1
      Were correctly noticed WERE! Modern Japanese are not the samurai that were once, now China is pursuing a policy of seizure, it is tougher than the Japanese, it has an incentive, there are opportunities and they won’t miss it, and then, through history, Japan was able to invade China only at the time of internal political showdowns, for China, Japan is also the same as the large aircraft carrier of the Americans, which can’t sail anywhere and then it will be erased from the face of the earth by a missile strike)
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 July 2013 16: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Suvorov000
        for China, Japan is also the same as a large aircraft carrier
        a good analogy! + I have not argued in any of my comments that Current Japan will defeat China, I recalled that Japan has always been the winner in the history of relations between the two countries and this is a fact, but the fact that China can win is not a fact.
    18. Taidrem
      Taidrem 16 July 2013 21: 09 New
      0
      Yeah, and just like the Germans, in one month the whole Quantum corps was defeated))
    19. psdf
      psdf 17 July 2013 01: 24 New
      +1
      There are plenty of examples like the Nanking massacre.
    20. Troitsky
      Troitsky 17 July 2013 17: 31 New
      0
      The main thing is that the Chinese do not turn out to be Asian Russians :) Although history has shown that they are more likely Poles.
  2. Skiff
    Skiff 16 July 2013 10: 08 New
    +9
    I’m not for those and not for these, and therefore, we can only add the following, - When two tigers fight, watch, and then finish off the winner.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 16 July 2013 07: 40 New
    11
    Well, one of them will definitely play out before meeting with Kuzma’s mother wassat The question is when and in what composition? what
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 16 July 2013 08: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Ruslan67
      with mother Kuzma

      laughing
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 16 July 2013 07: 51 New
    +5
    Samurai again raise their heads? such a macar will cut it clean. nothing their history teaches
  • treskoed
    treskoed 16 July 2013 08: 03 New
    +5
    Chinese experts close to the Foreign Ministry in their articles talk about readiness to build a fundamentally new form of relations with the United States

    US Chinese bought !!! Well done !!!
  • Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 16 July 2013 08: 31 New
    +1
    It seems to me that when securing the status of a full-fledged army for the Japanese self-defense forces, the so-called test pen - a small victorious conflict. There are two bidders - Russia and China. Both, of course, are worrying, but in the case of Russia, they may hope that "the Russians will let everything go on the brakes," as has happened repeatedly. And they have no dependence on Russian exports
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 16 July 2013 08: 45 New
      +6
      At the expense of "brakes" is unlikely, some have already checked in 2008 !!!
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 16 July 2013 08: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Ruslandeth
      , they may hope that "the Russians will release everything on the brakes," as has happened repeatedly.

      Let’s go where? To the toilet? How then in 1945?
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 16 July 2013 08: 55 New
      +5
      here you are mistaken. In the case of Russia, they just will not be let go on the brakes, they have already been shown to them by the example of islands and islands. There is a chance to lose more. And howling with China can pass because both are tied to the United States and there, as the United States decides, it will win.
      1. Ruslandeth
        Ruslandeth 16 July 2013 09: 05 New
        +2
        how was it lowered in 1985-199X? and even at the very beginning of the two thousandth.

        I do not argue, times have changed, but Russia in 1904 also did not let anything go on the brakes, nevertheless ..

        and the underlying fear and mistrust of the new Russian elite somehow haunts me. suddenly merge again
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 16 July 2013 09: 41 New
          +5
          At one time, the drunk with the elite tried to bargain for the islands. As a result, Benya resigned, and the then elite was finished in peace. Whatever cretins were in power, and the surrender of the islands to the yuppes would block our Pacific fleet, as a result of which the Far East and Asia would be lost. It doesn’t roll our business oligarchs at all, especially the military. I’ve left Benju with a camarilla. Since then, little has changed, and even if it will change in the future.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 16 July 2013 12: 38 New
            +1
            well if so, with all hands for
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 July 2013 10: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslandeth
      may hope that "the Russians will let everything go on the brakes," as has happened repeatedly

      If our power is slowed down, this will be the end of our power, we recall the results of the EPR in the form of events of 1917.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 16 July 2013 08: 33 New
    +3
    Beijing stands for territorial disputes through dialogue

    Like "The islands were yours, ours became. That’s wonderful, we agreed." So they will want a dialogue about the Far East.
  • domokl
    domokl 16 July 2013 08: 34 New
    +5
    Yapi hit the hell out of chickens. We stepped on the same rake that we tolerated the issue of the Kuril Islands. The Chinese played very well.
    The Americans will not defend Japan. The situation in the world has changed. Beijing is better to have friends than enemies. And Tokyo, and this whole unsinkable ship called Japan, let it get out on its own.
    The whole strategy of the Japanese is based on the experience of the Second World War. We will fight on the islands, in the sea. But we don’t need to fight. Each rocket that reaches Japan will sow enormous destruction and huge casualties.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 16 July 2013 08: 35 New
    +5
    Quote: treskoed
    Chinese experts close to the Foreign Ministry in their articles talk about readiness to build a fundamentally new form of relations with the United States

    US Chinese bought !!! Well done !!!


    They buy up and inhabit Russian lands. We do not need such "fellows".
    As for Japan, the Chinese there are about half a million, which causes considerable concern, both the local population and the administration of cities such as Osaka, Kobe and Yokohama, where there are most of them.
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 16 July 2013 09: 20 New
    +3
    Hope in the USA, don’t be bad. Hope for a friend, don’t be bad yourself. How many times in my life have I known this. Remember - you need to be self-sufficient. It is not known how events will turn around, and you may be alone in front of dangerous events, without your friends and gods.
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 16 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +1
    Kuzkina's mother is not a Japanese privilege ... so she will be surrendered at one point in front of China ... have not grown yet
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 16 July 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    Chinese experts close to the Foreign Ministry, in their articles, talk about their readiness to build a fundamentally new form of relations with the United States.


    I don’t give a damn what kind of “relations of a fundamentally new form”, if only not against Russia, star-stripes are ready to be friends with the devil, only to get to the resources in Siberia with their raking hands. And as for Japan, it is indeed very vulnerable in all respects, unlike China, and the Americans have always been able to set priorities correctly.
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 16 July 2013 09: 33 New
    +2
    The Japanese, by definition, can not show "Kuz'kin mother." Because, 1. This is the mother of Kuzma, 2. Kuzma is the old Russian name. 3. So her mother is a beautiful Russian woman, and not a Japanese aunt laughing
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 July 2013 09: 48 New
    +7
    In my opinion, the Americans simply use Japan and all their territorial problems to throw shit into the fan. All these problems can be resolved quite peacefully, without the participation of the United States. Maybe the Japanese were once good soldiers, but all this American crap seems to me to have fallen Bushido’s spirit pretty much washed them out. Of course, war may happen, then the Japanese will discard this Americanized husk and arrange the Tsushima 45 to the Chinese, by the way, the Japanese never won the united China, they couldn’t even deal with the beggarly Kuomintang, and the war in China was draining from Japan half of their resources throughout 2MV With regards to China, it looks much more impressive than their Japanese rivals, they have one draft potential as two Russian populations, and they only take the best to the army, not like in one other dying country, where even any rubbish from the Caucasus is taken into the army. And the Chinese, to put it mildly, “dislike” the Japanese, quite rightly.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 July 2013 09: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      In my opinion, Americans just use Japan


      Stopudovo, and for starters, they used Japan to see how they would carry the atomic explosion, then they built atomic time bombs there like Fukushima, and in general for them Japan is an unsinkable aircraft carrier
      1. Ustian
        Ustian 16 July 2013 11: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        in general, for them, Japan is an unsinkable aircraft carrier

        In our difficult time there is nothing unsinkable wassat
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 16 July 2013 11: 25 New
          -1
          If Japan gets nuclear weapons --- the balance of power will be completely different.
  • dominion
    dominion 16 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    Yes, I would sooner have fought Yapy with the Chinese, but we will observe aside.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 16 July 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    Considering sho, for both of them we are white barbarians, I would like Schaub they crushed each other to the maximum
  • basil200
    basil200 16 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +1
    During the fight between Japan and China, Koreans will fight, America will turn up to democratize North Korea, then it’s impossible to sit on the sidelines. And the Japanese will be able to show the Chinese Kuzkin mother? This is how a chihuahua will attack a Tibetan mastiff.
  • Sema
    Sema 16 July 2013 11: 02 New
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    All the courage of the Yap is based on an agreement with the amers on joint defense. If not for this fact, given the current state of affairs (the state of the armies, economies, etc.), the Yapis would not even dare to think of any military methods for resolving the issue of the islands. Since yapi should very clearly understand that:
    A) The Chinese are unlikely to have forgotten the Second World War, and China is already completely different
    B) equip the combat-ready army with modern missile weapons (we recall that in the conditions of an "almost cold warrior" with amers, Russia has already concluded a number of contracts with China, it will also not be averse to a close strategic partnership, which Putin and Xi Jianping agreed on, to share some missile technologies, as well as build the heels of missile destroyers for them) is much easier than building a combat-ready army from scratch that can independently conduct large-scale operations. And no Ajis would help them, if it came to the "makhycha".
  • Ustian
    Ustian 16 July 2013 11: 06 New
    +1
    Chinese experts close to the Foreign Ministry in their articles talk about readiness to build relations with the United States in principle new form.

    This is an alarming bell! So you’ll look at dividing the territory of Russia on their topographic maps. Our special services should not take a nap, and sculpt form close to the interests and security of Russia.
    1. dominion
      dominion 16 July 2013 13: 10 New
      +2
      For this, we are modernizing the Armed Forces, so that even in the most adverse conditions, the enemy, even if united, would not dare attack us.
      But it is pointless to be afraid of the unification of the Chinese with the amers against us, you just need to prepare for this and that’s it.
  • Bugor
    Bugor 16 July 2013 11: 24 New
    +1
    How do you imagine the armed conflict between Japan and China?
    I, for one, didn’t. The production of Japanese, and even more so, American goods in China, nullifies all talk of war. Well unprofitable for people at the helm laughing Japan's economy to fight. And the States will not give. So all this is water .... Nothing worth discussing.
    Oh, what Koreans want to fill each other's faces, because they don’t give them ...
    1. Master Taiga
      Master Taiga 16 July 2013 13: 01 New
      +1
      An idiotic argument. Here is a concrete example from history.
      Before the First World War, the Ottoman Empire was mainly Anglo-French capital, and she fought on the side of Germany.
      Economics and Geopolitics are slightly different things.
    2. Ustian
      Ustian 16 July 2013 23: 54 New
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      Quote: Bugor
      How do you imagine the armed conflict between Japan and China?

      And I have a very vivid imagination! Let me imagine ... repeat
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 16 July 2013 11: 32 New
    -2
    The world is crazy - everyone wants to fight. For Russia, it is probably better that the Japanese and Chinese start a war with each other and pull the United States with North Korea. The main thing is that we would not be hooked, let them destroy each other.
    1. Ustian
      Ustian 16 July 2013 13: 20 New
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      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      The world is crazy - everyone wants to fight. For Russia, it is probably better that the Japanese and Chinese start a war with each other and pull the United States with North Korea. The main thing is that we would not be hooked, let them destroy each other.

      THE ERA OF KALI SOUTH IN ALL ITS DARK RED! sad
    2. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 16 July 2013 14: 32 New
      +1
      The Chinese dragon will become crowded, and its logical field for expansion is Southeast Asia. The United States did not hesitate to play Japan with him and the samurai would lay bones
  • Bekzat
    Bekzat 16 July 2013 12: 07 New
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    Greetings to all, if there is any darkness, then China will take it stupidly in bulk, and then it is on land, and at sea, Japan will be able to sink all of China's naval vessels, before landing in Japan.
    1. Master Taiga
      Master Taiga 16 July 2013 12: 56 New
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      To begin with, it would be nice for China to try to figure it out with the same Taiwan. Or with the Philippines.
      Climbing to Japan may even crack the priest. Taiwan is closer to that.
  • Khan
    Khan 16 July 2013 12: 25 New
    +3
    If they create airborne units, it will be bad, first of all, Russia, we are at war with them, there is no peace treaty thanks to Stalin. The navy of Japan is larger than Russia. The Chinese islands are much larger than the Kuril Islands, rare earth metals and most importantly all red fish spawns through the Kuril Islands, these islands are vital for Japan. If Japan began to build muscle, then we need to be prepared, and not laugh that it is to China. China is an excuse for pumping up muscles, the goal is Russia.
    1. Master Taiga
      Master Taiga 16 July 2013 12: 54 New
      -1
      We are NOT at war with Japan. The state of war was terminated by the 1956 declaration.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 17 July 2013 00: 40 New
        +3
        He probably meant that the Russian Federation does not have a formal peace treaty with Japan.
  • Master Taiga
    Master Taiga 16 July 2013 12: 45 New
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    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: bomg.77
    The Japanese are some of the most worthy warriors in Asia.


    In the past. Since the beginning of cooperation with the United States, Japanese youth have less respect for the codes of their ancestors


    Yes of course. It’s not a shame for himself to drive such a heresy.
    Here is the Ise 20000 tons of displacement. Named after the battleship Ise of the Second World War. The Japanese built it themselves. Has Russia built something similar in 20 years?
    And with a fighting spirit, everything is in order. Japan essentially only needs its own nuclear weapons and all neighbors will shut up immediately.
    1. dominion
      dominion 16 July 2013 13: 14 New
      +4
      For such beauties we have “Ball” and “Bastion”, they will go to the bottom beautifully.
    2. Ustian
      Ustian 16 July 2013 13: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Taiga Master
      Japan essentially only needs its own nuclear weapons and all neighbors will shut up immediately.

      Something no one shuts up along the borders with Israel.
      hi
      1. Master Taiga
        Master Taiga 16 July 2013 13: 21 New
        -1
        And is it hot or cold for Israel? It (4 million) holds back nearly 200 million Muslims around. They also bomb them with impunity constantly.
  • bulvas
    bulvas 16 July 2013 12: 49 New
    +2
    Recent Far Eastern exercises show that GDP monitors the situation in the east


    By the way, they wrote a lot that the Chinese used joint exercises with the Chinese fleet in order to look at the state of our fleet
    So, after all, we could look at the Chinese ...

    The GDP has repeatedly proved to be a specialist in working with "our partners", it is possible that a solution is being prepared here too

    By the way, the Mistrals will come in handy
    1. Khan
      Khan 16 July 2013 13: 48 New
      +2
      He’s not following anything. He is interested in oil and gas on the Sakhalin shelf. The only thing that holds back our friends is the presence of nuclear weapons. And he gave so much land to the Chinese. In Khabarovsk, Ishaev and the Russian Orthodox Church need to say thanks, they built a church on the Big Ussuri Island. And so he would give the whole island and not frown. There is no faith in this president, he is a weak president. And for the Chinese
      it is a sign of weakness when the state gives its territory, they clicked it gave.
    2. berimor
      berimor 16 July 2013 15: 08 New
      0
      GDP is not eternal. A suitable candidate has not yet been observed among the Russian establishment. And the situation is such that again they will “appoint” some EBN or a BEAR if they (as they once used to PR before Yeltsin’s election) put their own, equally unpredictable, always drunk and, most importantly, don’t forget their pockets well and, of course inveterate democrats. Therefore, we always shy away from one extreme to another.
  • Ustian
    Ustian 16 July 2013 13: 09 New
    +1
    The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

    Japan’s problems in an aging nation — demography to hell, youth with their heads in anime and manga, people are accustomed to stability and are covered with duckweed. Besides, immeasurable trust in the “master” ... is unlikely to lead to good. Samurai’s breathless spirit . request I think so what
    1. Master Taiga
      Master Taiga 16 July 2013 13: 19 New
      0
      Yeah ... with the head in the anime ... That's just something like that I heard about the Russians. What kind of Russian guys are all in vodka with their heads and their girls are not attached. Therefore, they are looking for sex and husbands abroad. Even articles on Inosmi about it were.
      This is insulting, but the stereotype of the Russians is just that. And the Europeans and the Turks and the rest.
      THIS IS JUST and WRONG but it is. Before rejoicing in Japan’s demographic problems, we need to look at our own streets. And we will see many Russian faces there?
      In addition, in addition to quantity, there is also QUALITY of the population. In Nigeria, for example, the population is larger than in Russia. And what's the point?
    2. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 16 July 2013 14: 34 New
      +2
      Some judge the Japanese Armed Forces by the tales of the era of "warring principalities." The army is, there is no spirit
  • Siberian
    Siberian 16 July 2013 13: 23 New
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    Quote: bomg.77
    Quote: dejavu
    I’m afraid that if the Chinese soldiers suddenly want to go to the toilet together, somewhere in the Okinawa area, the Japanese and all their islets will simply fill up with a slide. They would rivet their fotiki and telly, but would not climb where it is hot.
    The Japanese are one of the most worthy warriors in Asia. These are Asian Germans. China they beat more than once.

    Yes1 JAPANESE worthy soldiers, but when ours in August 1945 in two weeks they banged with small losses (liberating CHINA). And my father-in-law fought with the kick on the islands (he was in the landing). They piled them in piles, although they themselves died, but still held on. So don’t need to say islets fill up with a slide.
  • individual
    individual 16 July 2013 13: 37 New
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    Okinawa.
    Um ...
    In the near future, there will be a Chinese military base in Okinawa.
  • Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 16 July 2013 14: 24 New
    +1
    The Chinese army so far has difficulties with the troops of constant combat readiness and weapons. In a few years, this will be overcome and then it will not seem a little.
  • gene
    gene 16 July 2013 16: 25 New
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    It is incorrect to consider the possibilities of the parties without taking into account the support of allies. US allies in the region are and will be in the foreseeable future. Read a 4-year review of the state and development prospects of the US Armed Forces, a national defense strategy, etc. The US is re-targeting Asia, and Japan is their ally. That says it all.
  • Kolyma
    Kolyma 16 July 2013 16: 29 New
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    Quote: Gari
    Quote: bomg.77
    Gary plus you

    Thank you, but this is proof of the Japanese mentality


    You guys would have held your horses, I certainly understand everything - Miyamoto Musassi, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Tokugawa Ieyasu and other rather interesting characters of medieval Japan, all this is romantic and fun described in fiction adapted for Europeans - there are Bushido, and samurai, and great warriors, and theories of the development of the spirit ... everything seems to be worthy. GARI, correct, plz, if I’m mistaken, how is it said in Bushido "Be merciful to the weak / defeated enemy"? At the same time, I am aware that the idea of ​​mercy in medieval Japan was very peculiar ... In the theory (and thin works), Bushido is one thing, but practice shows that theory is only theory. What guided the Japanese in 1918-1922 in Primorye, Siberia and the Far East of Russia, when they did what they wanted there? and after a couple of decades when they staged a real genocide of the Chinese and Korean people? There is already some other, apparently Bushido, unfortunately ... According to various sources, 38 to 60 million people were destroyed during the occupation by the army of Imperialist Japan. Just a schizoid beast, and you still say - great warriors, Bushido ... it rested at this time, apparently. I do not argue that in the war at sea they somehow showed themselves, although it can only because there was no one to rob, rape, but no one to mock? There are a lot of materials about this, do not read the main thing at night. as one of the options, please http://dm-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/132425.html

    PS All this, of course, does not justify the brutal bombing of Japanese cities by Americans, including non-nuclear ones ... and not only Japanese ones.
  • bo-754
    bo-754 16 July 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    The Japanese have always been good warriors, which can not be said about the Chinese. Therefore, in my opinion, the Chinese numerical superiority is not the victorious argument of China. There are more Chinese, and Japan is more technologically advanced. Question 50x50!
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 16 July 2013 17: 14 New
    0
    The possible cooling of the United States to Japanese "rearmament" may be explained by another reason: a change in the relations of Washington and Beijing. We are talking about possible changes in the strategic relations between the United States and China, writes A. Ivanov.

    From here, we add in conclusion, Mr. Abe’s so tough stance: to defend the disputed islands without the participation of the United States, on their own, with their missiles, with their marines. The world is changing before our eyes, and most likely, taking into account these changes, the Japanese Constitution will be adjusted


    and the situation is becoming more and more interesting and interesting in which it is certain that someone already doesn’t even know with whom and against whom he wants to be friends and with whom to fight! after all, the great democrats survived and the great communists are going to be friends against the whole world! Yes, everything is mixed up in the world madhouse ...
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 16 July 2013 17: 22 New
    -1
    The world is changing before our eyes, and most likely, taking into account these changes, the Japanese Constitution will also be adjusted.

    Wait and see . hi
  • shark
    shark 16 July 2013 17: 27 New
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    War between China and Japan is not possible. they rattle each other with pieces of iron and agree. Although, of course, for Russia this conflict would be just a gift. For any development of events.
    1. asadov
      asadov 16 July 2013 17: 56 New
      +1
      with whom would he become a present to us? Rather, it is a gift from the United States.
  • Radoslav
    Radoslav 17 July 2013 00: 19 New
    0
    Yes, the Japs will tear the Chinaman as an Ace warmer, give them only free rein and not what power the Chinas will not help them.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 17 July 2013 00: 24 New
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    Quote: Radoslav
    Yes, the Japs will tear the Chinaman as an Ace warmer, give them only free rein and not what power the Chinas will not help them.

    The Americans who torn the Japanese in four years of fierce war, incidentally, spoke very highly of the Chinese in Korea.
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 10: 38 New
      -1
      The Americans who torn the Japanese in four years of fierce war, incidentally, spoke very highly of the Chinese in Korea.

      This does not mean the strength of the rank, but the weakness of the amers. They have absolutely no stamina! Like buttons to press, they are the first! But like trenches, sweat, blood, hunger, deprivation, no. In Normandy, the 12th Hitler Youth Division, staffed by boys drove the well-fed healthy Yankees like cockroaches through the cracks! I don’t remember who said it, but the Amer’s army is absolutely not fighting if they don’t get toilet paper!
  • Kolyma
    Kolyma 17 July 2013 04: 44 New
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    Quote: shark
    Russia, this conflict would be just a gift.


    o_O ... and what does this gift consist of ?! Do not forget about the bare nerve of Asia - North Korea :) ... if it gets cold, then there will be little space for everyone
  • Jarserge
    Jarserge 21 July 2013 17: 12 New
    +1
    One thing is clear Japan is strengthening and building up its ARMED FORCES. Do not flatter yourself that the pursued goal is defense against the PRC and DPRK. There is another territorial dispute that is much more painful for Japan. This is the Kuril Islands. And what does Russia have there that it can oppose to the Japanese paratroopers on the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, after Mishka Gorbachev, Borka Yeltsin and Tolka Serdyukov? Destroyed military camps, abandoned airfields and rusty tanks that were cheaper to throw on the islands ....
  • beifall
    beifall 27 July 2013 06: 46 New
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    The Japanese have always torn the Chinese in history, and not only their other neighbors too (tsushima!)! Lost only America !!!!!!!!! Now the closest friend !!!!!!
  • Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 2 August 2013 09: 26 New
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    China is no longer the country to receive from the Japanese. Now she herself can pile on both the amers and the Japanese. Amer can not restore order in Iraq. And everywhere where “democratic order” is imposed. What a fleet the Japanese have. Sea battle seen enough. They have an IUD. By agreement after 2 MB. The Chinese Navy is not weak.