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Vladimir Putin: the question of the “American miracle” is not yet relevant for us

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At the Second Summit of the Gas Exporting Countries Forum in Moscow, the Russian president explained that the GECF is not at all like OPEC and does not set cartel targets. Oil is one thing, and gas is another. But the EU’s discrimination is the third, and therefore, Comrade Putin believes, gas exporters should unite against it, thereby showing solidarity. “We want our interests to be justly taken into account,” said Vladimir Putin.




As noted by RBC, the Russian president criticized at the summit discriminatory restrictions imposed by gas consumers on suppliers. As evidence of restrictive measures, Vladimir Putin pointed to the EU's “Third Energy Package”: “The introduction of the relevant gas directive seriously limits the activities of traditional gas suppliers to the EU market. Suppliers who have invested their money in the development of the European gas industry for decades. ”

Suppliers must show solidarity in order to resist undue pressure and jointly defend their interests. “We want our interests to be justly taken into account,” comrade Putin noted.

What were the objectives of the gas forum? According to Putin, the key tasks include: a) developing a joint position on gas pricing issues; b) the creation of conditions to reduce excessive price volatility and increase the transparency of the entire industry; c) development of cooperation in the collection and analysis of data on the industry by the GECF member countries.

V. Putin said the summit participants:
“Now the demand in the world for natural gas is growing at a faster pace than oil and total energy consumption. According to the forecasts of the International Energy Agency, before 2018, the demand for blue fuel in the world will increase by more than 16% and reach 4 trillion. cubic meters. This is a great opportunity for gas producers, and a serious responsibility for all of us, especially now - in a difficult economic environment, because it is in our countries that 2 / 3 (65%) of proven global reserves is concentrated. We provide almost half (45%) of global gas exports. ”


The priority task of the forum participants is to ensure the stability of gas supply to the world market in the long term.

Vladimir Putin, further notes RBC, rejected the suggestion that the GECF should become a cartel like an OPEC.

“We have no goal to create a cartel and enter into cartel agreements,” he said, and then recalled that the GECF was created as an expert platform for exchanging information and developing common principles and approaches. According to the president, the difference between GECF and OPEC is that the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries determines production quotas and affects world oil prices, and in the case of gas, this is not yet possible.

“The principal difference lies in the fact that OPEC determines the oil production quotas of the participating countries and, thus, OPEC influences the price formation at international sites. And such an energy carrier as gas does not have global energy gas platforms, therefore we, even if we would like, could not influence the exchange gas trade. There are no such exchanges ", - V. Putin is quoted as saying RIA News".


But the desire of importers to change the conditions of pipeline gas supply, comrade Putin, called a serious challenge to the GECF, notes RBC:
“I see this as a serious challenge for all of us. First of all, we are talking about attempts to dictate terms of supply of pipeline gas that are economically unacceptable for producers. About the desire to change the principles of gas supply on the basis of long-term contracts, untie contract prices from the cost of oil and oil products as a market price indicator. Reduce the level of mandatory gas volumes. ”


According to the president of Russia, the conductors of such a policy often do not understand that abandoning the basic principles of long-term contracts strikes gas producers, turning into serious costs. Ultimately, this undermines the energy security of the buyer countries.

Long-term gas supply contracts and the take-or-pay principle, in Putin’s opinion, ensure the payback of the capital-intensive gas industry with long investment cycles, ensuring the priority development of the energy base of the global economy.

As a result of the forum, its participants did not agree on restricting gas supplies for oligopolistic purposes, similar to those pursued by OPEC.

“The participants of the Gas Exporting Countries Forum did not agree to limit gas supplies in order to achieve price increases. All of them decided to continue to adhere to the principle of linking prices to oil. It worked well in the past, and there is no need to abandon it in the future. Several companies have successfully challenged the prices of Gazprom, as they did not reflect the reality in the spot market. Restricting supplies to raise prices would be a violation of long-term contracts, although there is no reason to immediately sell spot lots - they can be held. Surprisingly participating in the forum of Venezuela, Iran and Bolivia - none of them is a major exporter. Iran imports a little from Turkmenistan and exports to Turkey. Venezuela, as far as we know, does not export gas at all. Bolivia supplies small lots to Argentina. Perhaps their participation in the forum is more of a political gesture. They are most likely united by their attitude towards the United States, rather than gas exports, ”he said. RBC findings of William Powell, Platts Expert.


Igor Pankratenko, deputy general director of the Center for the Study of Modern Iran, chief editor of the magazine "Modern Iran", on the portal "Fund of Strategic Culture" notes that part of the media is not paying too much attention to the GECF. The fact is that the attitude to the Forum was once frankly expressed by the American political elites. In April, 2007, in a letter from the US House of Representatives to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the eventual transformation of the Forum into a “gas OPEC” was seen as an attempt to create a “global extortion and racketeering organization”.

Thus, it is clear what part of the media reluctantly covers the activities of the forum.

The analyst notes that in recent years the gas market has become an arena of Western struggle against Russia. Moreover, the forum site is also used for this - through Qatar. This is a kind of geopolitical “outsourcing” that developed during the Obama period. The United States deftly shifts the responsibility of its allies to solving some issues that are advantageous for them, starting with Syria and ending with the Kyrgyz “Manas”.

The expert believes that the gas cartel did not arise precisely because of the "skillful game of contradictions." I. Pankratenko points out that if we analyze the speech of Putin and other participants of the summit, it becomes obvious: three key ideas remained unrealized. But these ideas were expressed in October 2008 at a meeting in Tehran (Russia, Iran and Qatar concluded a tripartite agreement on cooperation in the gas sector there). The parties spoke of the need for: quarterly consultations to discuss the development of the gas market; creating a Higher Technical Committee to work out ways to implement specific projects covering the entire production chain, from geological exploration and production to transportation and marketing; the creation of an international club of experts and journalists "Energy Pole", a tool for promoting the interests of the GECF and the "big three" (Russia, Qatar and Iran) in the international information field.

For five years, the GECF, the expert believes, has not realized the potential inherent in it. In essence, the forum is only a discussion platform aimed at “sharing experience, views and information on the development of the gas industry”.

Meanwhile, there is a second side to the issue. The platform of the gas forum is not only a warehouse of unrealized projects, but also an important indicator of the “gas war”. There is nothing new in the “energy war” against Russia, the analyst notes. In 1970, the United States made every effort to disrupt the Urengoy - Pomary - Uzhgorod - Europe project. In 1980, the States, together with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf monarchies, played to lower oil prices on the world market. Well, now Qatar and shale gas are used to strike.

We cannot agree with Qatar, the American satellite, therefore the analyst believes that Russia should create “special relations” with those countries that share Russia's proposals because of the advantages of these proposals for their economies: Venezuela, Iran, Iraq. Iran’s proposals on joint projects (for example, on the South Pars field) are real, the author notes. Of course, Washington is interested in disrupting possible Russian-Iranian agreements.

“... Actually, once he succeeded. In October 1997, Gazprom, the French Total, and the Malaysian Petronas, already signed an agreement with Tehran to develop this field. Washington disrupted its implementation unpretentiously and effectively by blocking the provision of a loan to Gazprom for initial investment in a project from the Export-Import Bank of the United States. ”


Without cooperation with Iran, Russia has no chance of stopping Qatar’s gas expansion, the analyst believes. And an “eye on the West” inherent in Russian diplomacy in the Iranian issue could lead the country to economic losses.

From Qatar and Iran, the question goes to Syria. With the support of the West, Qatar seeks to create a “transit corridor”, which is supposed to bring the “pipe” to the Mediterranean Sea to Europe through Syrian territory. What prevents? Asad. It is not surprising that the “corridor” is now being “cut through” by military methods, and investments are being made by jihadists, the article notes. Therefore, the foreign policy efforts of Russia and Iran in this context are filled with concrete economic sense. It is necessary to prevent or limit the gas expansion of Qatar, aimed at squeezing Russia out of traditional gas markets.

On the other hand, Tatyana Mitrova, Head of the Department for the Development of the Oil and Gas Complex of Russia and the World at the Energy Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, approached the gas issue, whose opinion on the Moscow Forum is given by Anna Koroleva and Ekaterina Shokhina"Expert").

According to Mitrova, the issue of energy exports, including gas, goes beyond both technical and political strategies. An unfavorable foreign economic situation, toughening global competition, the spread of alternative energy will lead to a decrease in exports of the fuel and energy complex and a reduction in its share in budget revenues. The fuel and energy complex can no longer be a “cash cow” for Russia, says Tatyana Mitrova.

In her opinion, it is possible to increase the competitiveness of Russian energy resources by reducing the cost of investment projects in the industry, as well as by improving the quality of their management. The desire to solve all the issues at the expense of one industry reduces its effectiveness: the state "kills" its own "cash cow." A truly effective method of reducing the burden on the fuel and energy complex, according to Mitrova, is to increase the energy efficiency of the economy as a whole. Today, the energy intensity of Russian GDP is three times higher than the world average, and 30% energy consumption can be saved.

As for the shale question mentioned above, Vladimir Putin spoke about it at the forum. This writes Yuri Levykin (Utro.ru).

Putin’s answer to the question about the “American miracle,” that is to say shale gas, was unequivocal. The president said that this question "is not relevant for us yet." Putin hinted that the prospects for the development of a “miracle” are very uncertain.

“Indeed, gas production from shale is actively developing in the USA. But I draw your attention to the fact that the year before last, the growth of shale gas production in the United States was somewhere at the level of 84%, and last year only 9% - that also says something, ”Putin said.


Another presidential argument is not to rush Russia into slate. history - There was a high cost of shale gas production (five times higher than the cost of regular gas production).

Finally, the head of state recalled that Russia is the world's leader in gas reserves, and explained that Russia “has enough opportunities for the development of shale gas and for its production in the usual way.”

Well, what about the United States with their notorious access to world gas markets?

“If they come out,” Putin said, “most likely with a very small volume that will not affect the global market.” Therefore, it does not bother us, and if it does, it is only for environmental reasons, because shale gas is a barbaric way of extracting mineral resources. ”


Thus, shale shale, and the question of gas exports - one of the key elements of geopolitics. Unconventional energy is a matter for the future, but for now nobody is going to give up gas and oil. And in the same way, no one is going to abandon the gas issue as a tool for conducting foreign policy.

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  1. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 10 July 2013 07: 25 New
    +9
    heh))) turn off the gas tap and see how the EU starts dancing)))
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 07: 37 New
      36
      Hi Oleg! You haven’t finished it easy. With regards to Qatar, its supplies with the beginning of the Arab spring collapsed by 46% and, according to Miller, there are tendencies for a further decline. Another Nabucco project was covered with a copper basin, there is no such project anymore! Gazprom, on the contrary, is increasing supplies, although the United States does not like it. The United States itself, along with its slate, can go to hell, discussed already. Qatar will not lay anything through Syria by military means, the only possibility for Qatar is a peace treaty with Syria will allow laying a gas pipeline, but amers will not allow this. Conclusion: Gazprom rules hi
      1. Stephen
        Stephen 10 July 2013 09: 05 New
        -23
        Gazprom rules as long as Russia has interests in Syria, both economic and geopolitical ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 09: 26 New
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          Quote: Stefano
          Gazprom rules as long as Russia has interests in Syria

          Well, and what role does Syria play in the supply of our gas? And what happens in the event of the fall of Assad? Or maybe you think. That Qatar will pull the pipeline through the militants, well, if so, you are a "great" strategist.
          1. shark
            shark 10 July 2013 10: 09 New
            +4
            Qatar will pull, and how it will pull. The militants are tame. They will lay pipes for reading suras from the Koran and no one will touch this gas pipeline
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 12: 06 New
              10
              Quote: shark
              T. Militants are manual

              These are the manual fighters who eat each other and shoot it on camera. Heads of priests chopped. These are scumbags, not manual gunmen. There were still tame people in Libya, then they inserted the US flag into the ass. Where did you see the manual scumbags ???
              Quote: shark
              They will lay pipes for reading suras from the Koran and no one will touch this pipeline

              You are not working as advisors to the Qatari Emir for an hour laughing
            2. Vlad_Mir
              Vlad_Mir 10 July 2013 12: 44 New
              0
              The worst weapon now is oil! Russia reduced its supplies to Europe, factories immediately began to close!
              1. dustycat
                dustycat 10 July 2013 17: 41 New
                +3
                Actually the opposite happened ..
                First, factories closed and construction sites got up, and then oil had to be cut and new consumers sought.
                Transportation and construction equipment eats a lot of oil products.
                And gas is mainly consumed by thermal power plants.
                1. Tverichanka
                  Tverichanka 10 July 2013 22: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: dustycat
                  And gas is mainly consumed by thermal power plants.

                  Gas is mainly consumed by the chemical industry. And even if alternative energy sources are developed and introduced (which is a big question in itself), the chemical industry will not be able to do without gas. You can imagine what it means to rebuild the entire chemical industry to other materials? Not a single economy can pull it.
                2. Lankov Victor
                  Lankov Victor 11 July 2013 08: 23 New
                  +1
                  "First, the factories closed and construction projects got up, and then oil had to be cut ..."
                  Actually, I met the complaints of Europeans that they are forced to pay for Urals at the same price as for Brent.
                  Your argument is past the checkout.
                  1. Sanyl
                    Sanyl 11 July 2013 17: 57 New
                    0
                    On the contrary, you absolutely do not argue your position, but refer to "some Europeans." Dustycat told you everything correctly.
              2. cdrt
                cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 36 New
                -2
                How in your alternative reality everything is scary wink
          2. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 10 July 2013 10: 15 New
            +1
            it just didn’t work out easily, now they are trying by force, and to protect the laid pipe of forces it is necessary a little, and it will be necessary to pay less with the obligated authorities.
        2. dmitrich
          dmitrich 10 July 2013 10: 53 New
          +1
          and there will always be interest.
      2. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 10 July 2013 09: 22 New
        22
        Qatar is not a state - it is a disease.

        Qatar (honey.) - Qatar (Greek katárrhoos, from katarrhéo - leaking, draining), catarrhal inflammation, inflammation of the mucous membranes, accompanied by their redness, swelling, edema, and the formation and release of fluid (the so-called exudate). ... ...


        It is necessary to treat! yes
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 10 July 2013 10: 44 New
          +2
          Yeah, the main thing is to find a good therapist. laughing
          1. Akhtuba73
            Akhtuba73 10 July 2013 11: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            Yeah, the main thing is to find a good therapist laughing

            What for the therapist !!! Surgeon-konovalov with hairy hands urgently to the studio! It is not treated - it is removed. hi
            1. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 10 July 2013 15: 15 New
              -1
              The Russian Air Force is already preparing a tool and a team of surgeons to remove two cancers (according to rumors from the headquarters of the Air Force), well, this is the last argument. But the new OPEC, if it takes place, should become not just gas, but oil and gas because Russia, Iran, Venezuela are not only the largest exporters of energy resources, but also the countries with their largest proven reserves. For Iran, Russia can become not just a development partner, but also a transit country (through the Caspian Sea) and not only tankers, but also a pipe (if there is good will on both sides) - it is more reliable and safer than through countries with insufficient sovereignty and defense capabilities. Baba Yaga will certainly be against it, well, her fate is such ...
            2. kush62
              kush62 10 July 2013 16: 26 New
              +2
              It is not treated - it is removed.

              The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue.
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 10 July 2013 13: 19 New
          -1
          SO, you definitely need to drive a pike with nuclear missiles and shoot a couple at this cancerous tumor, and drown 5-6 gas carriers with torpedoes, and then enter the boat into the Indian port and type the captain went crazy and let him treat him in foolishness))) So it’s necessary answer mattresses for our Kursk. soldier Well, then Comrade Lavrov will explain to them all in strong terms where we have seen all this ... and that the next time the roof can move down from the Supreme Intelligence and then no ABM will help them angry
        3. nnz226
          nnz226 10 July 2013 13: 54 New
          -1
          Will a pair of GRU special forces platoons be suitable for treatment? They will take all Qatar to dust ...
          1. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 10 July 2013 16: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: nnz226
            Will a pair of GRU special forces platoons be suitable for treatment? They will take all Qatar to dust ...

            How to say ... after Iraq had enough brigades to capture Kuwait, many emirates significantly revised the training of their, albeit small, but all armies ...
            At first, such tasks always look easier than to do it in practice .... Remember how one Minister tried to capture the city of GROZNY by the Airborne Regiment ... what happened ...
          2. fartfraer
            fartfraer 10 July 2013 17: 56 New
            +1
            “A pair of GRU special forces platoons will be suitable for treatment? They’ll smash the whole of Qatar ...” - I remember there were fans in Russia who decided to solve the matter with two regiments of the Airborne Forces. Grachev, does this name tell you anything?
            1. poquello
              poquello 11 July 2013 02: 10 New
              +3
              Hafizullah Amin - still such a last name was. Star managers with Grachev on the heap forgot the word "preparation" or did not know.
          3. cdrt
            cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 38 New
            +1
            Just not a couple of special forces platoons, but an airborne regiment, and not Qatar, but Grozny ...
            It was already. They threw their hats. Not tired?
            1. Sanyl
              Sanyl 11 July 2013 17: 59 New
              -1
              Actually, the army performed well in Grozny. Do not confuse soldiers with politicians-Kovalev-Berezovsky-Swans, who carefully prevented the army from winning.
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 11 July 2013 20: 10 New
                +1
                uncle, here actually now it’s not about the army, if you don’t understand.
                they speak of the "hatred" of some "patriots," who are hardly related to the GRU or the army, judging by the comments.
                Grachev (the Minister of Defense at that time) told ebnu that he needed two regiments of the Airborne Forces and he would restore order in Chechnya (or take Grozny, it doesn’t matter). nnz226 from the same "Grachev", it seems.
                By the way, your list of interferes is far from complete.
          4. poquello
            poquello 11 July 2013 02: 01 New
            +1
            "A pair of GRU special forces platoons will be suitable for treatment? They will smash the whole of Qatar to dust ..."

            It might be interesting to launch a couple of harems by parachute, but there seems to be a Merikosovo base there, it doesn’t roll, and then we need to climb there. Qatar, like Mowgli, got everyone.
      3. bazilio
        bazilio 10 July 2013 10: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Gazprom, on the contrary, increases supplies

        This is good, it remains now to establish gas supplies for the ruble, and not for American candy wrappers.
      4. Airman
        Airman 10 July 2013 11: 26 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Conclusion: Gazprom rules hi


        And then Gazprom snickered - I judge at the zenith how many millions of euros are being pumped into unnecessary players. Or is it money laundering? In Russia, we will soon pay for gas at WORLD prices.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 10 July 2013 15: 33 New
          13
          Quote: Povshnik
          In Russia, we will soon pay for gas at WORLD prices.

          To me, in a village house, firewood for 6 thousand rubles. enough for the 2 season.
          Smart neighbors pushed 50 thousand each for the connection, now they pay for the meter from 1,5 to 2 thousand per month.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 10 July 2013 17: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            To me, in a village house, firewood for 6 thousand rubles. enough for the 2 season.


          2. cdrt
            cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 40 New
            +1
            Poverty is not a vice, but not a reason to boast wink
            A gas-fired boiler gives a higher quality of life than even a wood-fired boiler, let alone a stove.
      5. aksakal
        aksakal 10 July 2013 11: 51 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Gazprom, on the contrary, is increasing supplies, although the United States does not like it. The United States itself, along with its slate, can go to hell, discussed already. Qatar will not lay anything through Syria by military means, the only possibility for Qatar is a peace treaty with Syria will allow laying a gas pipeline, but amers will not allow this. Conclusion: Gazprom Rule

        - for now. Pay attention to the methods, more precisely, to the difference: "With the support of the West, Qatar seeks to create a “transit corridor”, which should lead a “pipe” through the Syrian territory to the Mediterranean Sea, to Europe. What is in the way? Assad. It is not surprising that the “corridor” is now “cut through” by military methods, and jihadists are investing, the article says."- I'm sorry, how can this be? Qatar is possible, but Russia cannot do this? Actually, Russia is a NUCLEAR power, and if there are several SU-34 squadrons with refueling over the Caspian and passing through Iran to Qatar (from the southern coast of the Caspian to the Persian Gulf , where Qatar is located - only 600 km) will level the entire GAS infrastructure of this mouse with a loud voice - the so-called world community is only outraged, no one because of this misunderstanding in the Persian Gulf war with the most powerful NUCLEAR (after all, the States It’s just that nuclear weapons are bad, there is such reason to suspect this, they are mainly on plutonium, and it, unlike uranium 235 from long storage, quickly cakes laughing ) will definitely not start. It will take five years for sure to restore the destroyed. And after that, Qatar will beware of “cutting through” military methods. When will Putin understand that in the Middle East, and indeed in the East, they respect strength and rigidity, they simply do not understand the other there and perceive it as a manifestation of weakness? The Israelites I dislike confirm this. That's what a lot of chatting? Cop coz - side coz (a lot of words are worthless words), you don’t need to say much, like, we need to take into account our interests and so on. Bombed, and the whole conversation! am
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 12: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: aksakal
          - for now. Pay attention to the methods, more precisely, to the difference:

          Aksakal, the more dough will be thrown into the overthrow of Assad by means of warriors. The less gas Qatar will sell. there will be no pipe, what is written on the fence does not always correspond to reality or desire hi
          Judging by the last years of Gazprom’s actions, laying gas pipelines, etc. At the same time, the United States has intensely interfered with many projects, but .... in short, no suckers are sitting in Gazprom
          1. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 10 July 2013 22: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            in short, in Gazprom, no suckers are sitting

            I’ll support your opinion, Alexander. Moreover, Miller’s words just quoted the news: gas deliveries to Europe grew by 30% in May-June, even more in July. The impression is that it was like a harsh winter. "
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 July 2013 06: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Tverichanka
              "The impression is that it was like a harsh winter."

              Hi Nina! Winter is not winter, but they cut their supplies from Qatar themselves, muddying the shucher in Syria and Libya. There will be more hi
              EEE - more of our gas, less than Qatari laughing
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 10 July 2013 17: 46 New
          -1
          Actually, we use plutonium in nuclear explosives.
          And he is not caking. Not gunpowder.
          But for one plaque it’s real - they will buzz, they will buzz and shut up - they will rush to develop the budgets of their countries. New tanks, rockets, sculpt planes.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 48 New
            0
            That you just do not know what is being tracked.
            Is tracked.
            Fast and pretty accurate.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 10 July 2013 21: 26 New
            +4
            Dustycat, Russia mainly uses uranium; Russia currently has the most advanced enrichment technologies in the world specifically for this fuel. About plutonium caking - anyone who knows how to petrit in physics and at least at the level of erudite knows nuclear physics, I already realized that this is just a joke, in fact, the shelf life of plutonium is much shorter due to a much shorter half-life. In addition, there has recently been a publication that the US is experiencing a serious shortage of uranium fuel due to the large number of nuclear power plants. In addition, strategic missiles of the Minuteman type are solid fuel, this fuel was literally tracked -)))). In general, be that as it may, the strategic nuclear weapons of the United States are in poor condition, you can and should bomb the dead ones, you should not spare the bombs - the costs will pay off
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 47 New
          0
          Everything has already been (stolen) invented before us. There was a book by F. Foresight in my opinion, "The Devil's Alternative" wink
      6. cdrt
        cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 35 New
        -2
        Here are the statistics on Gazprom’s share in the natural gas market, your words do not confirm.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 10 July 2013 21: 28 New
          -1
          http://www.oilandgaseurasia.ru/tags/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D
          0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B2-%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%
          D0% BE% D0% BF% D1% 83
          who have no desire to follow the link- "Gazprom reporting reflected the difficult situation of the company

          Section: News
          Tags: Gazprom; Gazprom's revenue; Gazprom supplies to Europe; Gazprom sales in the CIS; Gazprom IFRS reporting

          Gazprom published IFRS financial statements for 9 months of 2012. Due to lower sales in all areas, the company, as Grigory Birg, co-director of the analytical department of Investkafe, comments on the situation, was in a difficult position. "
      7. Uhe
        Uhe 11 July 2013 16: 23 New
        -1
        If you knew how much money was being stolen with the help of Gazprom, you would respect it even more, because for the Zaputinites there is nothing more important than the superprofit in your own pocket, taken from millions of fellow citizens using thieves' schemes, and Mueller and his chicks will give odds to anyone Zaputinets according to the scheme of embezzlement.

        Gazprom is rude - it drives its slaves, of which 140 million
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 10 July 2013 16: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Lone Wolf
      shut off the gas tap and see how the EU will dance)))

      If everything is fine with math, then calculate what kind of penalties will be set for us. Or do you think that we will not pay the penalties? You think so in vain! Now economic contracts are stipulated so that there the mosquito nose does not trickle down. GAZPROM billed UKRAINE for $ 7 billion for the fact that it did not get the amount of gas specified in the contract. Official Ukraine that refused this fine? No! It is only about reducing the fine.
      And there are many other examples. So at one time VENEZUELA built in the USA either 8 or 10 oil refineries ... for its own oil. Now VENEZUELA has completely severed all carbohydrate contracts with AMERIA ... except for oil supplies to these plants in the United States. They will stop supplying oil, and the factories will immediately become the property of Amer. These are the terms of the contracts. It is the same with GAZPROM ... we will stop the gas supply, we don’t have enough pants to pay for it ... Even a little, but we supply gas to Georgia in August, during the war ... and today ... when there are no official diplomatic relations.
    3. Tatb
      Tatb 11 July 2013 01: 43 New
      +1
      If Russia does this! Then Amer will dance with joy! their horror story will come true and Russia will suffer from this! negative
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 10 July 2013 07: 29 New
    +3
    It smells of double standards.
  3. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 10 July 2013 07: 34 New
    +5
    The United States is cunning ....
    1. Shumka
      Shumka 10 July 2013 07: 45 New
      19
      But it's time to wet the cartar .... I got this stinky bug.
      1. Stephen
        Stephen 10 July 2013 09: 07 New
        +1
        This bug has large cockroaches in the role of the USA and Saudi Arabia which climb where it is not necessary !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 July 2013 09: 27 New
          +9
          Quote: Stefano
          This bug has large cockroaches in the role of the USA and Saudi Arabia

          Well, everything is clear with the USA, but since when did the Saudis grow to large sizes? The same six, only the view from the side.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 10 July 2013 18: 05 New
            0
            Well, everything is clear with the USA, but since when did the Saudis grow to large sizes? The same six, only the view from the side.

            in, just wanted to write like that.
            it seems like plans have long been in place to pacify these cockroaches. Even the article was similar. there Yeshe Su-34 featured so elegantly))).
            and now if you ride the base in Cyprus, then in general there will be beauty!
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 51 New
              -3
              Not plans, but delusions (fantasies) of local authors / commentators. Do not confuse warm with soft. Analysis - oh, what a little thing I got (Su-34), let me play
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 10 July 2013 18: 58 New
                0
                Listen, only your naivety and no more is nonsense!
                Are there really those who believe that satellites satellites were left without attention from our GS and MO ??? then, in principle, I see no reason to discuss anything else with you!
                and for the future: if you refute something, then bring counterarguments, otherwise it looks extremely unfounded!
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 50 New
        -4
        Go and wet wink
        Good luck
  4. shamil
    shamil 10 July 2013 07: 51 New
    13
    the military base must be strengthened at times in Syria, to help Assad to kill all the villains and not a pipe bypassing Russia
  5. Fin
    Fin 10 July 2013 08: 00 New
    12
    Finally an analytical article on gas. You can immediately see the role of Syria, with whom we allied and against whom to be friends.

    “... Actually, once he succeeded. In October 1997, Gazprom, the French Total, and the Malaysian Petronas, already signed an agreement with Tehran to develop this field. Washington disrupted its implementation unpretentiously and effectively by blocking the provision of a loan to Gazprom for initial investment in a project from the Export-Import Bank of the United States. ”
    And this confirms the words of Fedorov that so far we are nowhere without the Washington regional committee. Well, nothing break through.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 10 July 2013 12: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Fin
      And this confirms the words of Fedorov that so far we are nowhere without the Washington regional committee. Well, nothing break through.

      Compare 1997 and 2013, just not correct.
      Now Russia, these loans are unnecessary, we will manage.
      1. Ga3prom
        Ga3prom 10 July 2013 13: 21 New
        -2
        yeah, we’ll manage, sn cut, incomes fall, people are fired,
        unless they start to plant cruelly
        1. Fin
          Fin 10 July 2013 16: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Russ69
          Compare 1997 and 2013, just not correct.
          Now Russia, these loans are unnecessary, we will manage.


          Fedorov said this in June 2013, apparently still relevant
  6. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 July 2013 08: 13 New
    32
    You know, to the victories or defeats of Russia in gas and oil projects I have a "cool" attitude. dermatocrats said that the USSR "sat on an oil needle", and now a handful of oligarchs are sitting on this "needle", and nothing comes from the people of this "needle". Under the USSR, training, health care were free, sports developed, all industries, people received free apartments, etc. etc. And now they pump out tens of times more from the bowels of the Russian Land, and the people get a spicy garden plant ... and sometimes without oil or with oil from oil products, which these oligarchs themselves will not eat. And under the USSR they ate real products. So, just generally rejoice that not everything is for the sake of SUSHYa, that's all!
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 10 July 2013 09: 06 New
      0
      I share your pessimism. And if you dig deeper, it’s only the development and production of weapons that oligarchs did not grab, then the only thing you can be proud of as an asset. Spit like Medvedev’s business with gas.
      1. Matroskin
        Matroskin 10 July 2013 10: 04 New
        +6
        Spit like Medvedev’s business with gas.

        Don’t give a damn. These ... (what’s more cultured) they plan to raise domestic gas prices to European prices. And our salaries are not at all from there.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 10 July 2013 17: 53 New
          +3
          Knocking ..
          I've been advising a couple of self-taught gas generator projects
          The guys have an enthusiasm for the sea, and knowledge is the victims of the exam.
          But if they do not screw up much and do not burn out by the next year, they threaten to make the garbage GG.
          Firewood on the rollers from YouTube already works for them.
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 10 July 2013 18: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Matroskin
          Don’t give a damn. These ... (what’s more cultured) they plan to raise domestic gas prices to European prices.

          And it’s also so important that they broadcast that it is necessary to fight inflation ... well, yoprst))) so do they themselves and increase the tariffs for these fucking percentages ... the same housing and communal services ... well, if people only start to pay more than a month for utilities for energy more ...
          in general, even those chatterboxes))))
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 57 New
          +2
          Hmm ... and you know, we don’t really pay wages and they differ from Hungary, Romania, Croatia ... A worker at a working machine-building plant - 29-30t.r. on hand, i.e. 700 euros per month. In Bulgaria, Romania is less. In Hungary, it is usually comparable. With higher performance there ...
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 18: 53 New
      +5
      Nothing gets to the people?
      Hmm ... and who is the main payer to the budget (pensions, medicine, roads, defense, etc.). Isn't it Gazprom ...
    3. Igor39
      Igor39 11 July 2013 07: 41 New
      0
      Then there was socialism and now oligarchic capitalism. The system must be changed.
  7. pensioner
    pensioner 10 July 2013 08: 13 New
    19
    Oleg, thanks! Yes, these European artiodactyls will wait. Russia will deploy all gas to Asia. Our oilmen turned around to China, so the Europeans came to the Tatars, asked: "Why did you stop helping us? It became somehow uncomfortable for us without you ...". The Tatars told them: "We had to eat less!"
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 10 July 2013 15: 47 New
      +1
      and when Tatarstan helped Europe, do not tell me?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 10 July 2013 17: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: fartfraer
        and when Tatarstan helped Europe, do not tell me?

        When I helped, I won’t tell. in 2011 was in kmndr. in Naberezhnye Chelny. MG N. Chelny - Izhevsk (challenge). What do we (gas industry workers) have, that Tatneft has a 500mm pipe. and walked alongside, while crossing each other ... They dug up the oil industry 3 times. They didn’t cut it well ... they called the oil workers to decide. It was also not a panacea ... in general grief grabbed. It was there that I met a senior person from Tatneft. Over a glass of tea, he told me how their Europeans tried to persuade them to return to their market, and they already started working in China. Only - only ...
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 10 July 2013 18: 01 New
          +2
          strange you and your former interlocutor) Europeans no matter where the oil comes from, from Tatarstan or from Siberia. They had supply contracts, there were supplies, and until I heard that the Russian Federation refused to sell oil to Europe. Tatarstan is part of the Russian Federation, I remind you .
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 10 July 2013 19: 07 New
            +2
            The explanation is probably that for us all from Europe are Europeans. And the dude who was crying was from a particular oil trading company for whom the contract was profitable.
            Actually, like us, they are all Russians (Georgians, Jews, and Chechens) wink
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 19: 05 New
      +1
      Well ... for Europe, Europeans are defending their interests. Separation of the pipe and supply with the obligation to give access to the pipe will really reduce gas prices. Oil decoupling too. Their interests, they are right.
      Our interests are to prevent them from doing this. We are also right, but for ourselves.
      Delivery to China - yes, of course, only they want to pay 3 or 4 times lower than Europeans.
      Actually it’s interesting to observe - real geopolitics, Realpolitik in its purest form. Let's see who's who, the collective unconscious wink Euro Commission or Putin wink
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 10 July 2013 08: 24 New
    +8
    It seems that GDP has become an even greater "friend" for Western and United States pontners (from the word Pontus). Now we need to wait for another List of some kind of Pupkin. And we were so scared, straight horror ... And then we have gas, not ours!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 10 July 2013 15: 49 New
      +2
      do you have gas? Well, if you are a miller, then of course) don’t worry, privatize one more time and see which GDP or “friend”
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  10. Revolver
    Revolver 10 July 2013 08: 33 New
    +9
    “If they come out,” Putin said, “most likely with a very small volume that will not affect the global market.” Therefore, it does not bother us, and if it does, it is only for environmental reasons, because shale gas is a barbaric way of extracting mineral resources. ”

    I do not like liberalists. And I know that in this forum liberals, especially American ones, do not like much. But on this issue, oddly enough, I support these liberals and believe that they are acting correctly for the benefit of America. And, oddly enough, Russia, too.
    I explain. For many reasons that there is no place to discuss, in America, environmentalists are mostly liberal in nature, such as believing that the environment is sacrificed to big business. I have a few different views on this, but I really want to breathe fresh air and drink clean water. And when producing shale gas, although in theory everything is safe, in practice everything happens.
    And I'm not the only one. As a rule, the most notorious conservative begins to support environmentalists if they put a rig near his town. And if suddenly this happens near my city, I will not be too lazy to write to the congressman and both senators from my state, and if necessary, I will fit into a lawsuit. Therefore, gas companies are mainly engaged in such matters in sparsely populated areas, and there are not so many in America. So not soon America will become a great exporter of gas, and God grant the liberals success in this endeavor.
    1. Armata
      Armata 10 July 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Nagan
      I do not like liberalists. And I know that in this forum liberals, especially American ones, do not like much. But on this issue, oddly enough, I support these liberals and believe that they are acting correctly for the benefit of America. And, oddly enough, Russia, too.
      I explain. For many reasons that there is no place to discuss, in America, environmentalists are mostly liberal in nature, such as believing that the environment is sacrificed to big business. I have a few different views on this, but I really want to breathe fresh air and drink clean water. And when producing shale gas, although in theory everything is safe, in practice everything happens.
      And I'm not the only one. As a rule, the most notorious conservative begins to support environmentalists if they put a rig near his town. And if suddenly this happens near my city, I will not be too lazy to write to the congressman and both senators from my state, and if necessary, I will fit into a lawsuit. Therefore, gas companies are mainly engaged in such matters in sparsely populated areas, and there are not so many in America. So not soon America will become a great exporter of gas, and God grant the liberals success in this endeavor.
      And this was the next broadcast of the Voice of America radio station. How tight it gets, even to the former Russians who got there that they don’t like the mattresses here
    2. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 10 July 2013 10: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      Therefore, gas companies are mainly engaged in such matters in sparsely populated areas, and there are not so many in America.

      But if you look at the images from space, then the distribution of the shale mining towers is absolutely across the United States ... This is not an ordinary gas pump from one well, then their number is required 100 times more, if not thousands.
  11. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 10 July 2013 08: 41 New
    +9
    In a letter to the US House of Representatives, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the possible transformation of the Forum into a "gas OPEC" was seen as an attempt to create a "global organization for extortion and racketeering."
    That's about exactly what you need to do! To hell with fair competition! We must squeeze out of our western partners to the maximum and by any means!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 10 July 2013 09: 38 New
      -4
      Your information is somewhat outdated. Condi Rice is perhaps more than five years old than the Secretary of State. Unfortunately...
      1. Mart
        10 July 2013 09: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Nagan
        Your information is somewhat outdated. Condi Rice is perhaps more than five years old than the Secretary of State. Unfortunately...


        Comrade quoted without quotes. Please take a look at the article. It's about the past. smile
      2. Ga3prom
        Ga3prom 10 July 2013 13: 21 New
        +2
        why unfortunately?
        to the joy of
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 10 July 2013 20: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Ga3prom
          why unfortunately?
          to the joy of

          Was Clintonsha better? If you like her so personally personally, say so bluntly. wink Or is this current Secretary of State, the liberalist John Kerry? Rice at least was a professional and not a political appointee like those who came after her. And by the way, Rice speaks Russian fluently, although for that it is worth respecting her. She was smarter than anyone in the Bush administration, including Bush himself (well, it’s not so difficult to be smarter than Bush wink )
          1. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 10 July 2013 23: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            was a professional

            It can be a joy for you in the USA, but somehow, you know, it doesn’t make a difference who everyone defends the interests of their country. They are their own, we are ours! And it wasn’t and never will be. It’s only in the words "peace, friendship, chewing gum", but in reality .... As they say in Odessa, there are two big differences.
  12. Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 10 July 2013 08: 42 New
    10
    Vova Vladimirovich handsome, let the fog, but still subtly noticed for our leadership in this area, and about "modest reserves." And also about the shale gas of the Yankees - and if you summarize and read between the counters ?! Just no words, and here made Europe with the Yankees !!! Volodya keep it up !!! good drinks
  13. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 10 July 2013 08: 53 New
    16
    "It is impossible to agree with Qatar, the American satellite ..."
    As if "pinpoint" attacks on oil fields could bring democracy to this monarchy. And it’s time for Russia to sell gas for rubles. They do not want to in the EU, let them then buy democratic Qatar. wink
    1. Ga3prom
      Ga3prom 10 July 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      Qatar must be brought down
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 10 July 2013 15: 51 New
        -1
        and how will you differ from the Americans? Everyone who is "not for us" is ready to bring down.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 10 July 2013 17: 57 New
          -1
          At least by the fact that the intervention of war mattresses increases, but ours reduces by one.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 10 July 2013 18: 05 New
            0
            even so? that is, we will attack someone and it will bring prosperity to the world? strange reasoning.
            but I didn’t speak about this at all, but that you suddenly decided that the Russian Federation could dictate to someone (not even a neighbor, I’ll notice) its conditions by force. The amers do the same.
  14. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 10 July 2013 09: 08 New
    11
    Putin is great, he does not succumb to shale gas provocations ... It is true that shale gas is not a competitor to Russia, but the ecology of its extraction suffers greatly. At the same time, having directly said, get your shale gas, but then, in addition to gas from Russia, you will also buy drinking water quite “at market prices”
  15. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +6
    All this fuss with Qatar is just an attempt by the Americans to throw the contents of the sewage system into a fan, the way of transporting gas from Qatar to Europe, which, in theory, should pass through the Islamist-controlled territory in Europe to all adequate (more or less) countries, is too unstable and dangerous. besides frank American satellites like the Baltic states or any Poles there, it should be clear. Imagine yourself before the cold winter, two gas traders come up to you, one a solid and reliable partner, proven over the years, giving full guarantees for receiving the “goods”, and the second muddy constantly looking around an artful businessman with strange shadows looming behind him, and if the first merchant smuggles his goods through his territory, which is stable and guarded, the second will have to go through the forest with wolves, Islamists, Islam wolves, bandits, terrorists, embittered and impoverished local residents and in addition, an incomprehensible blurry shadow behind him will always control him, and a little with It seems: “shut off the valve!”, as it was with Ukraine and Europe will then cut trees for firewood to keep warm.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 19: 15 New
      +3
      So far, prices for Qatari gas in Europe are low, and for Gazprom gas - high. Therefore, Europe’s only reasonable strategy is to reduce Gazprom’s share to 15-20 percent and prevent it from growing. Something like this.
      Accordingly, Gazprom should reduce costs and ensure that the shares of Europe and China are no more than 30-35%.
      Still simple. Europeans give us any ruble of the price difference between our gas and Qatari in vain (from their point of view, from our point of view it is the other way around :-)), then they should not give it back, then they must do everything to break the supplier’s dictatorship. Well and vice versa.
  16. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 10 July 2013 09: 22 New
    +7
    Putin well done. We must seek rapprochement with friendly countries.
  17. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 10 July 2013 09: 33 New
    +6
    Shale gas production is environmentally harmful. The United States is not going to mine it in the future. There are many countries controlled by the West for this.
  18. Horn
    Horn 10 July 2013 09: 38 New
    13
    "Price volatility, industry transparency" - what, show literacy? Do you have enough words in Russian? Let me remind you: "price volatility, industry transparency." Be simpler and people will reach for you ...
  19. dimon-media
    dimon-media 10 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +2
    Chaff-chiff, chaff-chiff .. like a flea flea flare underfoot spinning and plotting. One would like to give the underspring a wrought-iron Nazi boot so that it flew away and disappeared from the field of view of Russia.
    Well, what the hell? All of their scams with shales directed against GAZPROM can be compared to an attack on a tank with a bare head. a lot of noise, zero effect.
    Gentlemen mattresses, fasten on your nose tsak and sit quietly in your pepelace.
  20. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 10 July 2013 10: 00 New
    +4
    For some reason, the photo in the article reminded me of this one:

    Who knows how, make a demotivator with a photo of Putin from an article with the inscription: You can’t just take Russia ....
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 10 July 2013 11: 10 New
      +7
      Rather, "You can’t just take and stop buying Russian gas."
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 10 July 2013 17: 48 New
        0
        And I'll try like this ...

        and try like this
      2. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 10 July 2013 18: 07 New
        0
        I'll try like this ...

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  22. Letterksi
    Letterksi 10 July 2013 10: 04 New
    +4
    I wonder if there is a relationship between the "relevant gas directive" and the new fence around the State Duma?

    http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1210045/

    Time will tell
  23. Natalia
    Natalia 10 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +6
    Hello everyone!)))
    All the same, the myths and legends of shale gas have remained myths, and I thought so. First, there was a fuss in the media that all of Russia had lost its monopoly on gas exports to Europe, now they would buy gas from America and not from Russia. As if trying to psychologically influence the general market conditions, and when the hysteria passed, it became clear that this is life.
    The USA jumps right out of their pants in order to convince the whole world that shale is better than ordinary gas.
    But everyone forgets that everything ingenious is simple.
  24. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 10 July 2013 10: 08 New
    +7
    discriminatory restrictions imposed by gas consumers in relation to suppliers.

    What are they counting on? To global warming? Putin at one time clearly answered them (from 4.20)
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 10 July 2013 10: 15 New
      +6
      He laughed heartily))) +++ laughing
  25. shark
    shark 10 July 2013 10: 20 New
    +7
    Of course, I would like to suggest turning off the switch and stop pumping gas that is not grateful to Europe. But alas, unfortunately now it is not possible, and not right. Too much investment has already been made to take it and just quit. You have to act with their own methods- courts, lawsuits, conspiracies in the industry. It will not be possible to influence them in another way. And definitely gradually change their rules of the game to ours, redirecting the main flows to the east. At the moment when deliveries to Europe cease to be fundamental for us, the era of our rules will come. You yourself will see with what haste Europoids will begin to cancel their energy packages ... Well, accordingly, you need to work with competitors. In all available ways. Not excluding the dirtiest. They do not stand on ceremony.
  26. Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 10 July 2013 10: 21 New
    +7
    Probably few people know one interesting and important fact that affects geopolitics. I think after the fact became known, and not only in the scientific community, the United States began to re-preserve its oil wells. Fact: Wells developed, for example, under Khrushchev, were mothballed until better times, that is, when production technology improved. And now the time has come: they brought equipment using the latest technologies, re-opened the well and ... you know, flooded it yourself, without any equipment, as if you had opened this well for the first time. There is such a specialist here, Larin called him, he dealt with problems of origin gold deposits ... well, in order to be able to effectively determine the places that are the most promising with gold. And you know I found out: the main condition for the formation of gold mines is the presence of a huge amount of water passing through the rocks under very high pressure ... But where would the water in the bowels come from and even under pressure and then he makes a discovery on the base of the non-nickel center of the Earth and the anhydride ... that is, iron itself, nickel did not disappear, but hydrogen was added in huge quantities ... chemists think I should be aware of the latest research on metal anhydrides and their ability under certain conditions: dissolve temperatures and pressures in themselves hydrogen ... So this very hydrogen according to Larin constantly leaks out of the center, eventually purging the earth's crust to the fullest, at the exit points, and since hydrogen is an active chemical element, it enters into very different reactions along its route, hence the water under high pressure, at the same time, all kinds of salts are carried out by water. As for oil, due to this very activity of hydrogen, the formation of methane methane ... on the basis of which everything that is possible is produced and even oil is synthesized ... only this is not published in the general press, otherwise all geology as a science will turn out to be an incident in places, which in fact is. That is, constantly going hydrogen from the bowels of the Earth continuously supplies us with innumerable wealth, including oil, gas and even coal.
    To whom it became interesting, you can view the report, in which everything is presented in more detail.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 10 July 2013 23: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Oven Driver
      center of the Earth, and anhydride.

      You can read the book, A. Nikonov "Riding the Bomb." Just about the discovery of Larin.
  27. AEscannaTat
    AEscannaTat 10 July 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    Hello guys, suggest something to read interesting.
    Yesterday I turned everything over, I didn’t find anything worthwhile. I looked here - http://book-online.com.ua/, all the old and new material is not poured there.
    Please advise a good source.
  28. fzr1000
    fzr1000 10 July 2013 10: 52 New
    +6
    A little off topic, but generally good news ...

    Yesterday.

    Members of the intelligence committees of the Senate and House of Representatives of the US Congress blocked the decision of President Barack Obama to provide military assistance to the armed Syrian opposition. They also imposed severe restrictions on the financing of this program.

    The reason for this step was fears that weapons could fall into the hands of terrorist groups, including those associated with Al-Qaida, ITAR-TASS reports. Congress had previously opposed rebel assistance. In particular, at the end of June, they received a proposal to adopt a resolution prohibiting the White House from sending weapons to Syria without the approval of the congress.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 10 July 2013 11: 20 New
      +3
      Oops! However ... Unexpectedly. But it may not mean anything. They will find other ways - workarounds. And those who blocked the legal supply of weapons will know about it, but they will not tell anyone ... Eye, but the eye is behind them.
      1. Very old
        Very old 10 July 2013 20: 54 New
        +1
        YURA, supplying worries is easy and simple to shift, well, at least to the Saudis. You look calm yourself. I agree with you
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 10 July 2013 18: 03 New
      +1
      Rather, out of fear that specimens of modern weapons in a "not sitting fly" condition would get specialists in Russia.
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 19: 19 New
      +2
      It seems that seeing that Syria does not go out to strangle Assad’s regime, the United States is slowly backing down.
      SUDDENLY saw Al Qaeda among the opposition wink
      1. Very old
        Very old 10 July 2013 20: 20 New
        0
        They will not go back down. Why pay yourself when it’s easier (cheaper) to incite chains - there are rich Cathars and Sauds. Here through them and drive the weapon
    4. Very old
      Very old 10 July 2013 21: 00 New
      +4
      And I also have something off topic: the famous human rights activist ALEKSEEVA declared: to immediately extradite Snowden to the states, since this wretch damaged the US security! These are our liberal defenders who are members of the Helsinki Club. Go to sleep
  29. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 July 2013 11: 00 New
    +2
    “The implementation of the relevant gas directive severely limits the activities of traditional gas suppliers to the EU market. Suppliers who have invested for decades in the development of the European gas industry. ”

    I have heard out of the corner of my ear, in accordance with my laws, the EU may deprive GAZPROM of its pipelines. Therefore, our people are looking for ways to circumvent their obstacles.
    This forum here and others .. Of course they do it right.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 10 July 2013 23: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Yuri I.
      EU may deprive GAZPROM

      As Comrade Sukhov said, “This is hardly” ...
  30. papss
    papss 10 July 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: shark
    Of course, I would like to offer to turn off the switch and stop pumping gas that is not grateful to Europe. But alas, unfortunately now it is not possible, and not right. Too big investments have already been made to take and just quit.

    I agree with you ... But the situation is even worse ... The situation is that in the old world, the desire to turn off our circuit breaker and connect someone else ... is being warmed up ... using the investments made by Russia ...
    When they say ... turn off the switch, it becomes even embarrassing ... how much a person does not own the situation ...
    Here's what is happening on the face ... Russia, as a player, is simply squeezed out of the market ...
    1. user
      user 10 July 2013 11: 26 New
      +4
      Honestly, your concern about Gazprom is not clear. 49% of the shares belong to an incomprehensible to whom, but not to the state
      1. Ga3prom
        Ga3prom 10 July 2013 13: 22 New
        0
        Honestly, your concern about Gazprom is not clear. 49% of the shares belong to an incomprehensible to whom, but not to the state

        What are you, national treasure!
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 10 July 2013 19: 21 New
          +1
          There is such a song - Address to Gazprom Shareholders wink
          There are good words at the end - "... because this is our common gas, and dreams come true only for you" wink
  31. papss
    papss 10 July 2013 11: 23 New
    +4
    I’ll add, Russia's share in gas supplies to Europe ... It can be seen that it is falling ... But the economy of the countries of the old world was growing ... before the crisis, for sure ... Therefore, Russia is steadily working on exports to China ... where to increase capacity up to 68 billion cubic meters per year (Miller) ...
  32. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 July 2013 12: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: user
    Honestly, your concern about Gazprom is not clear. 49% of the shares belong to an incomprehensible to whom, but not to the state

    So of course it is. But our budget mainly consists of taxes on
    hydrocarbon exports, and the remaining 51%. And then politics in our favor,
    there is some dependence on us (from which they just want to get rid)
    etc..
  33. Zopuhhh
    Zopuhhh 10 July 2013 14: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Matroskin
    Spit like Medvedev’s business with gas.

    Don’t give a damn. These ... (what’s more cultured) they plan to raise domestic gas prices to European prices. And our salaries are not at all from there.

    The last thing that flashed in the news was just the opposite statement ...
  34. xxplanet
    xxplanet 10 July 2013 15: 27 New
    0
    Interesting website!
  35. maxiban
    maxiban 10 July 2013 15: 48 New
    +1
    All this is of course great! Graphs, numbers, controversy. However, why in Russia is it worth millions to bring 100 meters of a gas pipe to the village where old people live? Which old people have to pay out of pocket.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 10 July 2013 15: 57 New
      +1
      a strange question is the "market economy") here they buy yachts, football clubs for money from the "public domain", and do not carry gas to villages and do not reduce the cost of gasoline.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 10 July 2013 19: 24 New
      +1
      the answer is simple MONOPOLY Gazprom.
      Well, Gazprom is not interested in gasifying the country - it’s really easier and better for their business to drive for export, investing $ XX billion each in S. and South Stream. (I write without irony, it is. It’s just that the Russian Federation has created a giant for itself, which has its own, sometimes different from Russian, interests)
  36. dojjdik
    dojjdik 10 July 2013 17: 35 New
    +2
    yeah, the article is closer to the point --- the reason for the pressure on Iran and the war with the bandits of Syria; and how American (Jewish) propaganda hammered us about some kind of "nuclear program" of Iran; this reason about the oil and gas issue is true; gentlemen from the Jewish diaspora of America could have said for a long time: yes, we want to rob not only oil from Arabs (Libya Iraq) but also from Iran to seize gas and oil; and indeed the whole Persian Gulf _-- and the fact that we are robbing our “sixes” of Saudi Arabia, Qatar is not enough for us - after all, our military budget is only 600 billion people, but how do we assign the Iranian deposits to 800 billion
    1. Very old
      Very old 10 July 2013 20: 47 New
      +2
      That's right, Ivan. All wars in history are for land, resources. And religion, culture, social order were intertwined as an excuse (today also human rights) If there are no disagreements between people - they are forgotten, religious, cultural and other differences are not noticed
  37. cezarb95
    cezarb95 10 July 2013 17: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Lone Wolf
    heh))) turn off the gas tap and see how the EU starts dancing)))

    in cold weather wassat
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  38. morpogr
    morpogr 10 July 2013 18: 51 New
    +2
    And if they don’t take gas from the key, we’ll control it. wink
  39. Black
    Black 10 July 2013 20: 15 New
    0
    Gas is a state-forming substance in Russia. And to his happiness, and to his misfortune.
    We are watering Qatar (on business), and there oil and gas are working more justly for the benefit of the common people.
    We have what we have.
    Will Putin be able to "zakortelit" gas suppliers, let's see. I think hardly. stashasty and Europe will go knee-deep into the ground!
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 10 July 2013 23: 38 New
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      Quote: Chen
      for the benefit of the common people.

      It remains to compare the territory, the number of people and climate.
  40. Sea snake
    Sea snake 10 July 2013 20: 34 New
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    Quote: morpogr
    And if they don’t take gas from the key, we’ll control it. wink

    smile smile smile
  41. Very old
    Very old 10 July 2013 20: 38 New
    0
    Politics, hydrocarbons (yes all resources) always went in one bundle. And the tough, unequivocal position of Russia meets the fierce resistance of the West. They do not want to come to terms with the fact that the times of Yeltsinism have sunk into tartarara. That in today's Russia no one calls them friends, as it was during the time of the very First — Both Bush is a friend and Kol is a Friend. Well, Russia doesn’t want to be sold for faceted ... And it never will happen!
  42. Sea snake
    Sea snake 10 July 2013 21: 10 New
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    Quote: Lone Wolf
    heh))) turn off the gas tap and see how the EU starts dancing)))

    What are you !?
    They, in return, can block the supply of their democracy to us! laughing
    But seriously, you can not let Qatar into the European market. Almost all of Europe is NATO ... and it (Europe) must be kept on our gas leash.

    ... in the case of intractability on missile defense, let sarin pipe ... a joke! smile
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 10 July 2013 21: 15 New
      -1
      “But seriously, you can’t let Qatar go to the European market.” -Why can’t you tell me? Some commentators immediately tell us about “turn off the gas”, “we’ll sell everything to China”.
      “In return, they can block the supply of their democracy to us!” - How long does it take to “sit in a puddle” with our economy without their “democracy” (that is, money for raw materials)?
      1. Sea snake
        Sea snake 10 July 2013 21: 34 New
        0
        Quote: fartfraer
        "... you cannot let Qatar enter the European market."- why can’t you tell me? right there, some commentators tell us about “turn off the gas”, “we’ll sell everything to China”.

        However, I have already expressed my opinion. ... You can voice yours.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 10 July 2013 21: 55 New
          0
          a raw materials appendage cannot dictate its own conditions, so it’s time to get away from exporting raw materials for a long time. And not to build gas and oil pipelines, but to maintain and develop enterprises. All the so-called “patriots” (the worst thing is that they seriously consider themselves patriots ) They say that it is possible to use force against Qatar, etc., they say "Europe is our market" and do not even think about how to humiliate their country with this nonsense.
          Well, yes it’s lyrics, my opinion is such, I think time is running out, so it would be nice to develop the industry, which I personally don’t see yet (glad to be wrong). But as soon as the Arabs climb into our sales markets, it will be so bad that I'm afraid to even imagine.
          so you didn’t answer my question — why do you think Qatar should not be allowed to enter European markets? I’m just wondering how much you share my point of view, no more) hi
          1. Sea snake
            Sea snake 10 July 2013 22: 51 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            mogu-raw materials appendage cannot dictate terms

            Well, what are you so offensively calling names to your homeland. This "appendage", by the way, has nuclear weapons.
            Quote: fartfraer
            therefore, it is high time to move away from raw material export dependence. And not to build gas and oil pipelines, but to preserve and develop enterprises.

            Lord, who doesn’t agree with you here !? I am for! But without a "pipe" on which, sorry, shisha?
            Naturally, if we were to send money from the pockets of the “new owners” to reanimate old and open new enterprises, to science ... to free medicine and free housing, to free education and to free circles and sports ... it would be just fair. But for some reason they don’t ask us here. Sometimes in general, it seems that the tops of all developed countries are at the same time, but for us they are only playing a performance.
            More ... about the pipe. And where do you think the money will come from to increase the country's defense capability? ... rather big sums. And where did they come from during the Soviet Union, was the currency flowing from the pipe? Well, they themselves could and produced a lot ... helped 1/3 of the globe ... but without the pipe there would have been nothing of this.
            As for the bombing of Qatar - essno nonsense. It is necessary to act by other methods. Under the Union there were special institutes, oriental experts ... this is for them. It is possible to “close up” the revolution there against the subspecies of Islamic movements. smile
            "My question is, why do you think you can’t allow Qatar to European markets?" --- I have already expressed my point of view two posts above.
  43. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 10 July 2013 23: 48 New
    0
    "Finally, the head of state recalled that Russia is the world’s leader in gas reserves, and explained that Russia" has enough opportunity to develop shale gas and to produce it in the usual way. "

    Well, what about the United States, with its notorious entry into global gas markets? "

    ... let this "exit" to the world market turn into an okazadnitsa ... in the states ranger!
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