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Egypt: the return of the revolution

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Continues to fever Egypt. Since the “democracy” came here, riots in major cities of the country have become commonplace. If under Mubarak, Egypt was a real “Mecca” for tourists from different countries, today, according to the Egyptian department in charge of the tourism sector, revenues from tourism have fallen (in comparison with 2009 a year) 6 times. The number of Russians who would like to rest in this country is decreasing.
New shocks in Egypt came at the peak of the holiday season. Riots broke out again in the main streets and squares of the Egyptian capital. Thousands of people are now demanding the immediate resignation of the country's president, Mursi. At the same time, Mursi himself is not going to resign, but he is going to create a government of so-called national accord. The protesters are not ready to accept the proposal of the president, and therefore the unrest does not subside.




People take to the streets of Cairo, take off their shoes and threaten it in the direction of the presidential palace and other buildings that today occupy the current government. Where there used to be stalls throughout the night in which it was possible to buy souvenirs: from mini-copies of pyramids to those embroidered with beads cases for iphone 5S, now you can see something similar to improvised barricades. There is a feeling that the recent история in Egypt is repeated. A few years ago, the crowd demanded the resignation of Mubarak, today the Egyptians demand the resignation of Mursi.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people are gathering on other streets to support the current Egyptian president. While opponents and supporters of Mursi are divided by representatives of the police and the army. At the same time, the army occupied the building of the country's state television in order to prevent adversaries of the president from entering it. Although today no one can guarantee that television will not be in the hands of the protesters.

After all, among the military in Egypt today there are many who oppose the policies of the current authorities, who not only usurped power like Mubarak, but also try to turn secular Egypt into another stronghold of radical Islamism in the Middle East.

The situation in the country for several days remains hectic.
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  1. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 11: 04
    0
    damn it, but I wanted to go there in the summer! Bbbbb
    1. experienced
      experienced 4 July 2013 11: 06
      +9
      Quote: Kremlin
      damn it, but I wanted to go there in the summer! Bbbbb

      Ride extreme tourism is now in fashion. There now the most gusto will begin, mini civil war and military dictatorship hi
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 4 July 2013 13: 37
        +4
        They proclaimed a technocracy there. Glory to the sys-admins - protesters shout in the photo laughing
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 4 July 2013 15: 31
          +2
          On the thief the hat is lit:

          The ousted president of Egypt, Mohammed Mursi, is under arrest. This information was confirmed on Thursday by the Egyptian military. Islamist mass detentions across the country, already known on the arrest of the supreme mentor of the Muslim Brotherhood. Riots in the country continue US evacuates its embassy from Cairo and demands freedom for Mursi.

          http://news.mail.ru/politics/13766311/?frommail=1
      2. воронов
        воронов 4 July 2013 13: 54
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Ride extreme tourism is now in fashion. There now the most gusto will begin, mini civil war and military dictatorship

        There, now the civil war will not begin, the army removed Mursi from power and took him into custody, they will judge, his closest associates are also arrested, the rest fled and hide, they are sought and arrested. Islamists in Egypt did not pass
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 4 July 2013 14: 58
          0
          Quote: voronov
          There, now the civil war will not begin, the army removed Mursi from power and took him into custody, they will judge, his closest associates are also arrested, the rest fled and hide, they are sought and arrested. Islamists in Egypt did not pass


          Mursi also has millions of supporters and how they will behave, I think no one can say for sure, the more so if desired, the amers can ignite a civil war. This is one, the other, not so long ago the amers of Mubarak and his military merged, now the Islamists, FIG knows what will hit them in the head tomorrow fool , it will be necessary, again the Islamists will be imprisoned.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 4 July 2013 15: 20
            +2
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            not so long ago the amers of Mubarak and his military merged, now the Islamists, FIG knows that they’ll hit him in the head tomorrow

            It reminds me of a swinging pendulum, where a hammer is used as a pendulum!
            It’s slapped on one side of the country, then on the other.
            Moreover, the pendulum continues to swing: in short
            riot Egypt.
            hi
      3. Rusi dolaze
        Rusi dolaze 4 July 2013 14: 58
        0
        Yes, what an extreme !!!!! Everything is calm in the resort areas and no one will ever go there .... except Europeans and Americans .. Well, there’s nothing to do there :)
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 4 July 2013 11: 06
      13
      Quote: Kremlin
      damn it, but I wanted to go there in the summer! Bbbbb

      Do not forget Kalashnikov !!! drinks
    3. Airman
      Airman 4 July 2013 11: 12
      +8
      Quote: Kremlin
      damn it, but I wanted to go there in the summer! Bbbbb


      Well, go, just sit in Hurghada or Sharm, it's quiet there. On an excursion to Luxor, Cairo, Alexandria, you will not go to the pyramids. And the Red Sea is lovely!
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 33
      +9
      Well done Egyptians! What more can be said! So you need to defend your constitutional rights and remove from the throne of the puppets of the West, which was Mursi!
    5. vlad767
      vlad767 4 July 2013 11: 50
      +1
      damn it, but I wanted to go there in the summer!

      Yes, he was overthrown already. So you can already go to rest there.
    6. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 4 July 2013 11: 58
      +6
      Drive to the Adriatic. Beauties. Purity. Not expensive. No dusty exotic. The color of the sea and the transparency of the water are unique. And the people are closer.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 4 July 2013 11: 04
    +8
    If there is no split in the army, then the civil war will be crushed in the bud, although "friends of Egypt" may appear here, there are a lot of them, friends, in the world.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 39
      11
      Quote: Vladimirets
      If there’s no split in the army, they’ll crush the civil war in the bud,

      The article was laid out old! The army is already in control, Mursi is under house arrest!

      Egyptian army confirms detention of President Mohammed Mursi
      http://spb.itar-tass.com/c613/795504.html
      Morning after the coup: hundreds of people injured, there are dead
      After many days of mass protests against the president, Egyptian Defense Minister Abdel Fattah al-Sisi announced the deprivation of his powers, as well as the suspension of the constitution, the formation of a government and committee to amend the basic law. The head of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Adli Mansour, was appointed interim leader of the ARE.

      But here, the army is out of politics! And if she had been in politics, now she would have lived in the USSR!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 4 July 2013 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        But here, the army is out of politics! And if she had been in politics, now she would have lived in the USSR!

        If she had been in 1991 in politics, now there would have been more graveyards in 10.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 4 July 2013 12: 31
          10
          Quote: Vladimirets
          If she had been in 1991 in politics, now there would have been more graveyards in 10.

          I do not agree with you! The people in a referendum voted for the USSR. Gorbachev and Yeltsin decided differently! Of course, victims would not have been possible, but they would have been several orders of magnitude smaller than those we have from vodka, cigarettes, corruption, and other immorality.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 4 July 2013 13: 06
            -1
            Quote: nycsson
            Of course, there would be no sacrifice

            Well, yes, the end justifies the means, a couple of millions there, a couple of millions here. No one guarantees that the army would be only on one side, well, if the Kantemirov’s division were for some, and the Taman was for the others? And in the Strategic Missile Forces split in relation to politics? Everyone would have laughed, for the last time.
            Quote: nycsson
            than the ones we have from vodka, cigarettes, corruption and other immorality.

            I am for hard power, but I am not happy with the example of North Korea. And more than Humpbacked, in the late 80s, no one did to solder people, and at least there were smokers in the USSR. not less. In principle, I agree with corruption, but the fight against it is not the business of the army, but the government’s business and the question here is not what the military regime should do, but the general attitude of the authorities towards this phenomenon.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 4 July 2013 13: 22
              +1
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Well, yes, the end justifies the means, a couple of millions there, a couple of millions here.

              Nobody is talking about millions.
              Quote: Vladimirets
              No one guarantees that the army would be only on one side, well, if the Kantemirov’s division were for some, and the Taman was for the others? And in the Strategic Missile Forces split in relation to politics? Everyone would have laughed, for the last time.

              I am sure that she would be on the side of the people and her command. But the command on the side of the people, just did not find.
              Quote: Vladimirets
              I am for hard power, but I am not happy with the example of North Korea.

              And what example suits you? Is that ours? When on the central channels all day hygiene products for women advertise toilet paper, etc. When the people of Russia die out from alcohol and tobacco, from the spread of rites and corruption. When movies about how good it is to be a gangster, a murderer and a rapist are played on TV. How cool is it to go to a nightclub and get drunk there until the pig squeals, and then smoke or swirl with something? About all sorts of programs like Dom2 I generally keep quiet!
              In North Korea - no need to go to extremes.
              Quote: Vladimirets
              And more than Humpbacked, in the late 80's, no one did to solder people, and at least there were smokers in the USSR. not less.

              I completely agree with you! After all, humpbacked is a project of the West. What else could be expected from him?
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 4 July 2013 13: 40
                +2
                Quote: nycsson
                I am sure that she would be on the side of the people and her command.

                In the civil society there were different concepts of the people, so the statement that the people is one is extremely controversial. And if the concept of "people" always included an ideologically equally thinking community, then there would be no civil wars in principle. And so, different strata of this very people, often pursue mutually exclusive goals.
                Quote: nycsson
                And what example suits you? Our what?

                You yourself write:
                Quote: nycsson
                no need to go to extremes.
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 4 July 2013 13: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  And so, different strata of this very people often pursue mutually exclusive goals.

                  I do not think that the Soviet people had bad goals.
                  Since the collapse of the USSR, our country, like all former republics, has suffered such losses (population, economy, foreign policy) that the Great Patriotic War is resting on the sidelines.
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  You yourself write:

                  That's for sure. We do not need extremes.
                  1. Vladimirets
                    Vladimirets 4 July 2013 14: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: nycsson
                    I do not think that the Soviet people had bad goals.

                    The people do not have bad goals at all, rulers have bad goals. Another thing is that the composition of any people is heterogeneous.
        2. IRBIS
          IRBIS 4 July 2013 12: 52
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          If she had been in 1991 in politics, now there would have been more graveyards in 10.

          I agree. Especially in Moscow and in the republics on the outskirts of the former USSR. "Knyazki" would not have given up power just like that. Until now, they would have caught Basmachi and “forest brothers” of all stripes and skin colors.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 4 July 2013 13: 26
            +2
            Quote: IRBIS
            The "princes" would not have given up their power just like that.

            Even as they would give. If not for the betrayal of the top of the CPSU, the army and the KGB! In Moscow, one battalion was enough to restore order.
            1. Dimy4
              Dimy4 4 July 2013 13: 46
              0
              Even as they would have given all this 3.14.3DO. The brothers sat and trembled apprehensively, as if the hunchbacked one had not taken decisive action. Well they did not know that he was going to merge everything.
            2. IRBIS
              IRBIS 4 July 2013 14: 13
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              Even as they would give.

              Oh well. Due to the circumstances, in those years, namely the 90th and 91st, I had a chance to visit some places and, so to speak, personally take part in some "events". Believe me, you wouldn't give it up. At stake were such prospects that the head was blown away. And a simple "roar" would not be enough here.
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 4 July 2013 18: 33
                +2
                Quote: IRBIS
                At stake were such prospects that they completely demolished their heads.

                It’s hard to disagree. They are one thing, but a completely different people.
                Quote: IRBIS
                And a simple "roar" would not be enough here.

                It would not have cost, but the country had to be saved at all costs. There was a powerful army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB, and everyone was afraid to take responsibility.
        3. Nordwest
          Nordwest 4 July 2013 13: 55
          -6
          The army and the military-industrial complex played the main and final funeral march to the Soviet Union.
  3. experienced
    experienced 4 July 2013 11: 04
    21
    The news is belated. The army has already taken everything under control, Mursi and Islamic leaders are isolated hi
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 4 July 2013 11: 06
      12
      Mursi and the "Muslim brothers" were arrested. Islamist media and TV channels are closed.
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 4 July 2013 11: 07
      12
      Quote: seasoned
      The army has already taken everything under control, Mursi and Islamic leaders are isolated

      Well done, the army team did not pickle! In the bud, this plague was crushed.
      Always would be everywhere.
      1. Tarpon
        Tarpon 4 July 2013 11: 15
        +1
        It is still unclear who might come to power there.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 4 July 2013 11: 19
          +5
          Quote: Tarpon
          It is still unclear who might come to power there.

          Well, for the first time, the military overlooked, but I hope the generals are smart enough not to step on the rake a second time ???
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: Arberes
            Well, for the first time, the military overlooked, but I hope the generals are smart enough not to step on the rake a second time ???

            America will not be asleep either! It is not yet known how this will end. The country is divided into two warring camps.
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 4 July 2013 11: 48
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              America will not be asleep either!


              nycsson (3) Hello dear hi
              I think the States so far and Syria with Afghanistan is enough. They also press Iran, if they also begin to stir up mud in Egypt, their Wahhabis in all corners of the world begin to cut?
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 4 July 2013 12: 11
                +2
                Amer at all cf from the bell tower, the main thing is that there is a mess. Let the Arabs slice each other.
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 4 July 2013 12: 38
                +1
                Quote: Arberes
                Hello dear

                And I wish you health! hi
                Quote: Arberes
                I think the States so far and Syria with Afghanistan is enough.

                I do not agree. In Egypt, you just need to rock the situation, they will soak each other. Already there are reports of clashes in different cities of Egypt. By the way, why only the states? To the whole west!

                Quote: Arberes
                if they also begin to stir up mud in Egypt their Wahhabis in all corners of the world will begin to cut?

                States away! Well, they will cut several thousand in different countries! This will untie their hands on further actions. Do not forget about September 11 in the USA. The end justifies the means to achieve it.
              3. ale-x
                ale-x 4 July 2013 14: 34
                0
                not only them, believe me, there are plenty of our compatriots in Egypt, they, unlike the Europeans, are not afraid of these events and continue to buy BURNING TOURS .....
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 41
        +8
        Quote: Arberes
        Always would be everywhere.

        Especially with us in 91!
        Hats off to the Egyptian military. hi
      3. S-200
        S-200 4 July 2013 12: 58
        +4
        The command of the Egyptian Army, while seemingly apolitical, once again demonstrates its commitment national priorities, not religious and political. Realizing that a united and prosperous people can give the Army more than a civil war ...
        I hope that the measures taken by the leadership of the Egyptian Army will help the people choose the right vector for the development of their country.
        Unity and prosperity - to Egypt!
        drinks
  4. Kremlin
    Kremlin 4 July 2013 11: 12
    -8
    Listen, give me pluses ... and then in corporals ... somehow in the bastard!
    1. Airman
      Airman 4 July 2013 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: Kremlin
      Listen, give me the pluses ... and then in the rank and file ... somehow in the bastard!

      Take it, it’s not a pity.
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 4 July 2013 11: 14
      +5
      Quote: Kremlin
      Listen, give me the pluses ... and then in the rank and file ... somehow in the bastard!

      Umorny with dignity and I’ll plunge you! drinks
    3. experienced
      experienced 4 July 2013 11: 18
      +1
      Quote: Kremlin
      Listen, give me pluses ... and then in corporals ... somehow in the bastard!

      Put "-" humiliated for the sake of the plus negative
      According
      Quote: Kremlin
      and then in the corporal ... somehow in the bastard!

      downgraded hi
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 4 July 2013 11: 22
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        downgraded

        Are you atrocious? You were kinder yesterday! drinks
        1. experienced
          experienced 4 July 2013 11: 45
          +3
          Quote: Arberes
          Are you atrocious?

          Just got it, beggar laughing
          Quote: Arberes
          You were kinder yesterday!

          I'm not evil now, just for justice drinks
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 July 2013 11: 30
        +1
        Trolls are not fed. Yesterday you didn’t have enough vaf with the German drones on the branch?
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 43
      0
      Quote: Kremlin
      Listen, give me pluses ... and then in corporals ... somehow in the bastard!

      I appeal to the administrators! Do something with him!
  5. Bykov.
    Bykov. 4 July 2013 11: 17
    +1
    ... Egypt: the return of the revolution ...

    Is coming back ?! Was she leaving somewhere, or what ?!
    Here are the damned Papuans-revolutionaries, they are overthrowing their presidents without having had time, with such a speed that they will not be able to remember who they once again "threw off" ..
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 49
      +2
      European Union calls on Egypt to return to normal democratic process
      http://spb.itar-tass.com/c613/795679.html
      BRUSSELS, July 4th. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Denis Dubrovin /. The European Union called on all participants in the confrontation in Egypt as soon as possible "to return to a normal democratic process by holding early, fair and fair presidential elections." EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton said this today. She also called on all parties to "observe restraint and refrain from violence."
      As previously reported, after many days of mass protests against President Mohammed Mursi, Egyptian Defense Minister Abdel Fattah al-Sisi announced the deprivation of his authority, as well as the suspension of the constitution, the formation of a government and committee to amend the basic law. Mursi is currently detained and, according to some information, is being held in the building of the Ministry of Defense. There are reports of clashes between supporters and opponents of the deposed president in various cities of Egypt.

      Yeah! It's only the beginning.
  6. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 4 July 2013 11: 19
    +4
    Well, Egypt is no longer up to Syria, how are the Saudis and Qatar not going to arrange a brawl, here Assad is under the guise of bandits and will dunk.
  7. Grbear
    Grbear 4 July 2013 11: 22
    +2
    Gentlemen, don’t it seem strange to you that the army served a "secular" state two years ago, supported the Islamists a year ago, is it poking at them now? The generals are actively "rebuilding", like "the concept has changed.

    And all too much to the place and to time.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 4 July 2013 11: 45
      0
      Quote: GrBear
      And all too much to the place and to time.


      British Foreign Minister: Egyptian army should not interfere in the political life of society
      http://spb.itar-tass.com/c613/795677.html
      This is just the beginning. Let's see what will happen next.
  8. Fastblast
    Fastblast 4 July 2013 11: 23
    +3
    Something Muslims recently are not very happy
    1. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 4 July 2013 13: 35
      0
      It's simple - because of them a lot of things that are not very beautiful are happening in the world. Religion is relatively young, and received so many supporters. And it is at odds with the religions of other countries. So we get such conflicts.
  9. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 4 July 2013 11: 33
    +4
    One can forget about Egypt as a place of rest. If the "brothers" begin to radicalize (and they start - it did not work out democratically, and everything was always in order with the radicals in Islam), then the resorts will become targets for terrorist attacks. And the Egyptian Armed Forces will not provide security.
    1. Airman
      Airman 4 July 2013 11: 48
      0
      Quote: serge-68-68
      One can forget about Egypt as a place of rest. If the "brothers" begin to radicalize (and they start - it did not work out democratically, and everything was always in order with the radicals in Islam), then the resorts will become targets for terrorist attacks. And the Egyptian Armed Forces will not provide security.


      If you do not ensure the safety of the resorts, you can forget about tourism, and he brought almost a third of the country's budget. You cannot kill a chicken that lays golden eggs.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 4 July 2013 15: 23
      0
      Like before that they were not radical
  10. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 4 July 2013 11: 40
    +1
    it smells like kerosene. Muslim brothers just do not give up ....
    probably someone is standing behind these events ... time will tell
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 4 July 2013 16: 17
      +1
      probably someone is standing behind these events


      perhaps

      and it’s possible that everyone’s famous Newton’s 3rd law is behind it all
  11. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 11: 50
    -1
    let Mubarak be returned, it will be better for them
  12. cpk72
    cpk72 4 July 2013 11: 51
    +2
    "In Egypt, the collapse of what is called" political Islam. " Those who use religion for political purposes or in the interests of a particular group will be overthrown anywhere, ”Assad said in an interview with reporters of the Syrian newspaper As-Saura
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv 4 July 2013 12: 01
    0
    Mursi is a moderate Islamist, and screams about democracy. I don’t understand what kind of explosive mixture of Islamic democracy can anyone clarify?
    1. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 4 July 2013 13: 36
      0
      This is a religion flavored with American taxpayer money and the blood of infidels.
  14. tomket
    tomket 4 July 2013 12: 13
    +1
    As early as five minutes, the revolution, but it’s better not to live !!!!
  15. papss
    papss 4 July 2013 12: 16
    +1
    It’s not clear who is behind this ... So that it wouldn’t be much more prosaic ... when the US State Department is behind it, everything is somehow strange ... Unrest, the president is absent, he is very enthusiastic, the West echoes him .. . talks about the legitimacy of power in Egypt, then Mursi, as if on command breaks off to Syria ... removes the embassy and ... remains silent ... passes a week, another ... remains silent. And the military - the deadline is hours ... go away ... the army is in power ... arrest. Clashes are already underway 32 people are killed. What's next? We unite Egypt, change the Constitution ... eliminate the lower House of Parliament ... no matter how they say ... a coup ... but the number of supporters of the president is not small ... I think this is different,
    trying to turn secular Egypt into another bastion of radical Islamism
    that's it...
  16. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 12: 40
    +2
    maybe ours finally decided to act, to put a government loyal to Russia, as in the USSR.
    oh dreams dreams ...
  17. igor67
    igor67 4 July 2013 12: 40
    +2
    Egyptians - Israel: You too can overthrow your leaders

    In the dramatic moments of the military coup in Egypt, journalist Himda Namdi Abu Sayyaf gave an interview to the 10th channel of Israeli TV.

    Addressing an Israeli audience in Hebrew, Himda said: “I follow what is happening in Israel. I urge Israelis, and representatives of any other nation that the government does not do the way it deserves, not to remain silent about it. Bibi and Lapid are not doing their job as they should, remove them, replace them with those you see fit. If they do not fulfill their promises, do not be silent. This is the reason why we overthrew our government. "

    When asked about the legitimacy of Muhammad Mursi's power, the journalist replied: “There are ballots and there are election results. But in any country in the world, the legitimacy of the president comes from the people. And the people can deprive him of this legitimacy.”

    Himda also said that in Egypt no one is afraid of the army: "Our people and our military are together. The people are the army."
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: igor67
      Addressing an Israeli audience in Hebrew, Himda said: “I follow what is happening in Israel. I urge Israelis, and any other nation that the government does not do the way it deserves, not to be silent about it.

      Israel is now at the peak of nationalism and will not even be able to realize the meaning of this appeal.
      1. igor67
        igor67 4 July 2013 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: Arkan
        Quote: igor67
        Addressing an Israeli audience in Hebrew, Himda said: “I follow what is happening in Israel. I urge Israelis, and any other nation that the government does not do the way it deserves, not to be silent about it.

        Israel is now at the peak of nationalism and will not even be able to realize the meaning of this appeal.

        At the peak of what? Of the 8 million people who work in my opinion, 500 thousand, more than a million children, the army does not know how much, and then they sit on benefits and something else, what nationalism, half a million ultra-Orthodox Christians the state does not recognize at all, but at the same time they don’t work and have apartments and cars . In short, dear dude dzvin da ne know de vin,
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 4 July 2013 13: 09
          0
          I’m not talking about the fact that in Israel there are no internal contradictions and problems, I’m talking about a few other things.
  18. Arkan
    Arkan 4 July 2013 12: 47
    +3
    An interesting situation is developing. Egypt, in fact, controls the oil artery of Europe - the Suez Canal, and if the West loses control over Egypt - both Qatar and Saudi Arabia can have serious problems ...
    1. igor67
      igor67 4 July 2013 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: Arkan
      An interesting situation is developing. Egypt, in fact, controls the oil artery of Europe - the Suez Canal, and if the West loses control over Egypt - both Qatar and Saudi Arabia can have serious problems ...

      Then Syria can’t be fanned, it can start more seriously,
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 4 July 2013 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: igor67
        Then Syria can’t be fanned, it can start more seriously,

        Do you mean direct intervention? Time will tell, so far only one thing can be said with confidence - oil prices in Europe will jump ...
        1. igor67
          igor67 4 July 2013 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: Arkan
          Quote: igor67
          Then Syria can’t be fanned, it can start more seriously,

          Do you mean direct intervention? Time will tell, so far only one thing can be said with confidence - oil prices in Europe will jump ...

          Maybe all the same, an oil pipe for sheikhs through Syria will be cheaper than driving tankers through Suez, and Somali pirates sometimes indulge in tanker captures
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 4 July 2013 13: 30
            0
            Quote: igor67
            Maybe all the same, an oil pipe for sheikhs through Syria will be cheaper

            Of course it's cheaper, but despite the assurances of your compatriots, Assad hasn't gone anywhere over these two years, and the "rebels" are doing nowhere worse, in the relations of "friends of Syria" there is a split, and now Egiped can fall out of the pack ... the West will face several strategic tasks (from the Strait of Hormuz to the Suez Canal ...) and they will need to be solved quickly and simultaneously - it may not be in time ... Let's wait for the development of events.
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 4 July 2013 15: 05
              0
              Quote: igor67
              pipe for sheikhs through Syria will be cheaper

              Sheikhs still have problems. smile Cairo: Army storms Al-Jazeera office
              http://postskriptum.me/2013/07/04/al-jazeera-2/#respond
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 4 July 2013 15: 44
      0
      "The King of Saudi Arabia congratulated the interim president of Egypt on his appointment."

      So I think Arabia is not against what is happening. Most likely this is due to the passivity of Egypt in Syria and in relation to Israel.
  19. berserk1967
    berserk1967 4 July 2013 12: 56
    0
    The author or authors of this article would not hurt to be a little more attentive, otherwise they write about Egypt, and photos from Turkey. The inscriptions of the protesters in Turkish.
    1. igor67
      igor67 4 July 2013 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: berserk1967
      The author or authors of this article would not hurt to be a little more attentive, otherwise they write about Egypt, and photos from Turkey. The inscriptions of the protesters in Turkish.

      Tahrir celebrates Mursi's forced resignation
  20. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 12: 58
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    An interesting situation is developing. Egypt, in fact, controls the oil artery of Europe - the Suez Canal, and if the West loses control over Egypt - both Qatar and Saudi Arabia can have serious problems ...

    2 revolutions in a short period of time, I think this is not just.
  21. redwar6
    redwar6 4 July 2013 13: 04
    +1
    Tonight I saw the news, I was surprised, this is the number)
  22. Vtel
    Vtel 4 July 2013 13: 14
    +4
    One gets the full feeling that recent history in Egypt is repeating itself. A few years ago, the crowd demanded the resignation of Mubarak, today the Egyptians demand the resignation of Mursi.

    Sensations are repeated like the history of Russia - 1917. This is "controlled chaos" in kosher action. The main thing is that their people, as well as ours, understood who crap on everyone in this world and nervously pulls the wheel of the common ship "Earth."
  23. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 13: 29
    0
    The problems of Egypt and Syria did not arise today or even yesterday. The problem is that these countries are dying, this was due to the inability of these countries to carry out reforms on time. That is, to move from agricultural countries to high-tech countries. Imperial ambitions did not allow these countries even after the conclusion a peace treaty with Israel to begin cooperation in manufacturing and high-tech with its neighbor And what we see from this. And it was typical for many Middle Eastern countries (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan. 68 billion dollars were spent on armament., A Imagine if these countries would invest these funds in the education of their population, the creation and development of technological development infrastructures. This unfortunate situation would not happen. They just die like states. When the lower classes don’t want to live like that, and the upper ones can’t take time and nothing can be changed already. And these one-time injections of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and other countries of the Arab League will not help but only prolong the canvulsion It’s only to keep Egypt afloat that requires at least $ 20 billion. From here, one should either die or have to agree with a neighbor. Israel, but this is the opening of a new page in history. The same actions should be taken by Syria to stop the civil war. and from stages of destruction go to the stage of creation.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 13: 37
      +1
      It’s simpler to say: You recognize Israel’s right to bomb its neighbors at its discretion - and here it is happiness. laughing
    2. Che
      Che 4 July 2013 18: 09
      +1
      But who will allow them to develop high-tech. Neither Amers nor Israelis need this. Let them live in the Stone Age. Although there are bright heads in any nation.
  24. Apollo
    Apollo 4 July 2013 13: 36
    +3
    Egyptian Defense Minister General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said that the head of the Constitutional Court of Egypt, Mansour Adli, will temporarily lead the country.
    The general also said that the Egyptian Constitution was suspended, and Muhammad Mursi is no longer the president. It is assumed that in the near future in Egypt they will create a Committee of National Unity, which will be formed of politicians and religious figures. Report by RT correspondent Paula Slier.



    statement by the Minister of Defense of Egypt

    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 July 2013 13: 44
      +3
      The head of the COP of Egypt took the oath as the interim head of state

      The head of the Constitutional Court of Egypt Adli Mansour took office as the interim head of state.
      CAIRO, 4 Jul - RIA News. The head of the Constitutional Court of Egypt Adli Mansour on Thursday took the oath of office as the interim president of Egypt.
      "In defense of the country and fulfilling the wishes of its people, with the name of Allah, I accept the responsibility of the interim head of state for the transitional period after the" reset "on June 30 (this year) of the revolution on January 28, 2011," Mansour said live on Egyptian television.
      He also thanked the armed forces of Egypt and the people of the country for their loyalty to the ideas of democracy, freedom and justice.

      http://ria.ru/arab_attack/20130704/947578496.html
  25. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 13: 42
    0
    Quote: igor67
    Egyptians - Israel: You too can overthrow your leaders

    In the dramatic moments of the military coup in Egypt, journalist Himda Namdi Abu Sayyaf gave an interview to the 10th channel of Israeli TV.

    Addressing an Israeli audience in Hebrew, Himda said: “I follow what is happening in Israel. I urge Israelis, and representatives of any other nation that the government does not do the way it deserves, not to remain silent about it. Bibi and Lapid are not doing their job as they should, remove them, replace them with those you see fit. If they do not fulfill their promises, do not be silent. This is the reason why we overthrew our government. "

    When asked about the legitimacy of Muhammad Mursi's power, the journalist replied: “There are ballots and there are election results. But in any country in the world, the legitimacy of the president comes from the people. And the people can deprive him of this legitimacy.”

    Himda also said that in Egypt no one is afraid of the army: "Our people and our military are together. The people are the army."

    Here is the news a journalist from Egypt teaches the Israelites a revolution ...
    Himda put things in order in your country, carry out reforms, raise the level of education, health care, Create those and develop technological infrastructure at the level of Israel, and then get in with your advice to the Israelis. Yes, we have not a perfect government., Yes, thanks to our loving neighbors, a lot more taxes. and many other problems. And YOU did not think about the fact that if you Middle East countries made peace with Israel you would benefit from everything, there would be no civil war in Syria. In Egypt there would be no these revolutions for which your great-grandchildren would pay
    And there would be Middle Eastern Switzerland, but this is unfortunately from the realm of fantasy
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 14: 00
      0
      Quote: faraon
      if you Middle Eastern countries made peace with Israel, then everyone would benefit from it. There would be no civil war in Syria.

      Explain your idea, from what you wrote, you can conclude that the Syrian rebellion is a consequence of the lack of a peace treaty with Israel ... that is, Israel has a direct relationship to it.
    2. igor67
      igor67 4 July 2013 14: 18
      +1
      For Pharaoh: Michael, do you think that everything is so normal with us that you should not change the same Bibi with Lieberman and this from the advertising of the boy Lapid?
  26. 128mgb
    128mgb 4 July 2013 14: 08
    +2
    Mursi, do not dig a hole for your neighbor; you yourself will find yourself in it! I mean in the next cell. A lot of them went, who is next? By the way, Mubarak, Mursi, Mansour can they try another letter?
  27. Dimanrus86
    Dimanrus86 4 July 2013 14: 24
    +1
    Well done Egyptians, drive this pro-Western puppet Musya and the Islamists along with him !!!!
  28. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 14: 35
    +1
    interesting news
    http://postskriptum.me/2013/07/04/butin/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campa
    ign = butin
    becoming more interesting and interesting.
  29. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 14: 46
    -1
    Quote: igor67
    For Pharaoh: Michael, do you think that everything is so normal with us that you should not change the same Bibi with Lieberman and this from the advertising of the boy Lapid?

    I wrote earlier in my comments that we have our own problems, but these are our problems. Regarding this topic, I still dare to make a statement that only the conclusion of a peace treaty with Israel will enable our neighbors to avoid collapse. Many of our problems can be solved only in a peaceful existence. Imagine a world in the Middle East. Millions of tourists will rush here, who can relax, who are exotic, and this is the development of the economy, the creation of new jobs. The development of infrastructure and not only tourism but also technological . Which of these will result in a reduction in Israel’s military budget, tax cuts, an increase in living standards, medicine, education. This will be Middle Eastern Switzerland. And then problems with ultra-orthodox people will go by the ways of lowering apartment prices. And many of the social issues that are relevant now will go by the wayside. plan. And what the government is doing now is called patching up the Trigkin caftan. And it’s not about Lapida Bibi or Lieberman. It’s just the worst of the worst
    1. igor67
      igor67 4 July 2013 14: 55
      +1
      You do not understand me, revolutions do not always start with politics, this is mainly the welfare of a simple worker and a peasant; in Egypt, oil is chosen from tourism and oil, and the majority live, poorly, and that’s also calling us with economic slogans and . With political leave, plus while we have no civil marriages, I don’t think our country is democratic, Yes, and with the economy with an annual income of the state in my opinion of 240 billion dollars for 8 million people, it seems not bad, but they slipped to the bottom among developed countries and are rolling ,
  30. Albert1988
    Albert1988 4 July 2013 14: 48
    +2
    Hmm, as they say, miracles are all more wonderful and wonderful. There is only one logical question - why did they overthrow Mubarak? ...
  31. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 14: 55
    +1
    Quote: Albert1988
    Hmm, as they say, miracles are all more wonderful and wonderful. There is only one logical question - why did they overthrow Mubarak? ...

    then it was boring, but now it has become tight
  32. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 15: 07
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    Quote: faraon
    if you Middle Eastern countries made peace with Israel, then everyone would benefit from it. There would be no civil war in Syria.

    Explain your idea, from what you wrote, you can conclude that the Syrian rebellion is a consequence of the lack of a peace treaty with Israel ... that is, Israel has a direct relationship to it.

    Yes, what do you know about it in particular. The country had long had to carry out reforms, it was necessary to transfer a co-agrarian country to a technological country, to raise the level of education, medical services. To raise the standard of living for its own people. And then there would be no problems, but what would happen Syria purchases new types of weapons while increasing its debt. Helps all possible terrorist groups. We are neighbors and could solve our problems, but imperial chauvinism does not allow Syria to solve many problems between our countries.
    Believe me, Israel is ready and has repeatedly extended a hand to the friendship of Syria, but this did not lead to anything. And the result is a civil war, a significant decrease in the standard of living of the local population.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 15: 15
      0
      Quote: faraon
      The country has long had to carry out reforms, it is necessary to transfer the agrarian country to a technological country

      What is your business then?
      Quote: faraon
      imperial chauvinism does not give Syria

      I have heard about "Great Israel", about "Great Syria" - no, I have not heard ... laughing
      Quote: faraon
      And the result is a civil war, a significant decrease in the standard of living of the local population.

      More details please - what is the connection between the rebellion and the absence of a peace treaty?
  33. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 15: 22
    0
    Quote: igor67
    You do not understand me, revolutions do not always start with politics, this is mainly the welfare of a simple worker and a peasant; in Egypt, oil is chosen from tourism and oil, and the majority live, poorly, and that’s also calling us with economic slogans and . With political leave, plus while we have no civil marriages, I don’t think our country is democratic, Yes, and with the economy with an annual income of the state in my opinion of 240 billion dollars for 8 million people, it seems not bad, but they slipped to the bottom among developed countries and are rolling ,

    Yes, no, it seems to me that she called us to the same chaos as in Egypt, Any revolution is not a creation, this is destruction, it is an economic collapse, it is a dead end. But as far as economic reforms are concerned, it’s not so smooth and therefore to the same state as in Egypt is far away for us, but in order to avoid such a situation, we need to tighten our belt a bit harder and survive this time until our government finds a solution to this issue
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: faraon
      Any revolution is not creation, it is destruction, it is an economic collapse, it is a dead end.

      Then why does Israel support them in one way or another from their neighbors, while in Russia and Ukraine Jews take a direct part in "color revolutions" realizing that this is a dead end?
    2. igor67
      igor67 4 July 2013 15: 56
      +2
      The main thing is that this belt around the neck would not be tightened, otherwise it would have been a bit embarrassing to take loans that would cover the previous
  34. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 15: 40
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    Quote: faraon
    The country has long had to carry out reforms, it is necessary to transfer the agrarian country to a technological country

    What is your business then?
    Quote: faraon
    imperial chauvinism does not give Syria

    I have heard about "Great Israel", about "Great Syria" - no, I have not heard ... laughing
    Quote: faraon
    And the result is a civil war, a significant decrease in the standard of living of the local population.

    More details please - what is the connection between the rebellion and the absence of a peace treaty?

    I answer on the first point. Joint cooperation is not a reason for war. Trust Israel has something to offer Syria. (Take the example from Russia of $ 4 billion worth of goods for a country with 6 million people, Here is the price of agro-technology, cooperation and high-tech collaboration. )
    The second point. Rebellion is the reason the lower classes can’t, and the upper circles don’t want. If there was joint cooperation, then perhaps there would be no prerequisites for rebellion. And so we are in a state of war until now. And the question is not in the Netherlands a peace treaty could solve these problems, eventually creating a demilitarized zone of technological development.
    Well, the last. Israel is not fighting for the name great Israel. We are not China, we are only 6 million. So the question itself does not exist. Well, and the fact that Israel is the most progressive democratic state with the most powerful army in the Middle East, I hope you do not deny will be
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 15: 51
      +1
      Again nothing but empty phrases.
  35. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 15: 51
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    Quote: faraon
    Any revolution is not creation, it is destruction, it is an economic collapse, it is a dead end.

    Then why does Israel support them in one way or another from their neighbors, while in Russia and Ukraine Jews take a direct part in "color revolutions" realizing that this is a dead end?

    The answer is the same: the lower classes can’t and the upper circles don’t want. Let's put aside the national motive. We are all citizens of the same state, with the same rights and obligations. But if you still have one responsibility but will not be right, then you and I will go to support and even participate in all possible revolutions and coups.
    I just had a choice. I left for another country where my children grew up, my grandchildren were born, where I buried my parents. I left the country where my children and grandchildren had no future, and my parents had a decent old age.
    And you don’t have it.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 16: 19
      0
      Quote: faraon
      The answer is the same: the lower classes can no longer and the upper circles do not want

      The action "Get up Ukraine" lasted more than three months, judging by the results - the "lower classes" did not care about it. The "upper classes" are not its organizers either ... which means your statement is meaningless.
      Quote: faraon
      Let's put aside the national motive.

      Why is that?
      Quote: faraon
      I just had a choice. I left for another country where my children grew up, my grandchildren were born, where I buried my parents. I left the country where my children and grandchildren had no future, and my parents had a decent old age.

      They left - and thank God, but the question remains open - why the hell do the Jews arrange mouse fuss everywhere wherever they have such an opportunity? Is this such a feature of Jewish psychology?
      Quote: faraon
      And you don’t have it.

      And I don’t need him. laughing
  36. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    Again nothing but empty phrases.

    Do you want statistical calculations, graphs, long-term plans, I'm just watching this from a closer distance than you share your views on what is happening in the neighboring state that I observe from the window of my apartment
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 16: 52
      0
      Quote: faraon
      What do you want statistical calculations

      No, I will be satisfied with any of your versions that do not contradict the real course of events without "let's not pay attention to this, but pay attention to that ...".
  37. Odysseus
    Odysseus 4 July 2013 16: 00
    +2
    What is happening in Egypt is a classic crisis of a country of 3 cap.world not able to cope with its socio-economic problems. And since there are no organized political forces advocating for Egypt to leave the limits of capitalist social relations, we can confidently predict that the crisis in Egypt will be permanent No matter who the Islamists, nationalists, liberals come to power and so that they do not promise, they will not be able to do anything anyway.
    In fact, most likely a military dictatorship will be established in Egypt, with a purely formal liberal president. A full-scale civil war is less likely.
  38. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: igor67
    The main thing is that this belt around the neck would not be tightened, otherwise it would have been a bit embarrassing to take loans that would cover the previous

    Igor, I understand you more than anyone else since I myself live in Israel and I have the same problems as you. But you must agree to keep the army on alert, able to repel any aggression from our good neighbors, this is the same money. I understand perfectly well that the prime minister of a country such as Israel could have limited himself to a business class flight without a wife and servants, and if the deputies had reduced their salaries by at least 10% of them, they would not have gone down, and even if some deputies from Arab parties salaries and for not loyalty to the state to which they swore to serve. That would generally be a class. But this will not solve all the problems
  39. fzr1000
    fzr1000 4 July 2013 16: 12
    +1
    Egypt entered the second phase of a historical experiment that began in January 2011. Then the military command sacrificed President Hosni Mubarak to calm the mass protests. For over a year, everyone wondered if the junta would allow free elections and whether their results would be recognized. To the surprise of many, both of them happened. Last summer, after Muhammad Mursi was elected head of state, the military leadership obediently resigned by his decision - without resistance and even without obvious preconditions. Apparently, some kind of deal existed, large-scale economic interests of the army elite were guaranteed. Politically, however, the generals went into the shadows, giving the Muslim Brotherhood the opportunity to do what they considered necessary.

    Now it’s hard not to conclude that the military turned out to be the most visionary of all.

    They simply decided to follow the “will of the people”, expressed first in the mass protests on Tahrir Square, and then in the voting results. A year later, the “will” changed again: crowds of opponents of Mursi demanded his resignation, collecting millions of signatures in favor of such a decision. After waiting until the tension grew to the limit, the army came forward again, and again in the role of arbiter. How the Muslim Brotherhood supporters will behave — and there are too many of them — in the presidential and parliamentary elections, in the end, the real citizens of the country voted - it is not clear. The estranged president himself does not seem ready for a decisive battle for his post, although he does not recognize the legality of the army’s actions. The military, like two years ago, hopes to turn the boiling of passions into the mainstream of political struggle - into a new campaign in which, as one of the generals has already said, Mursi can participate on a common basis.

    We have to repeat the same thing that was said in 2011. Egypt is the most populated country in the Arab world, and what is happening there sets the tone for everything that unfolds in this part of the planet. Will the military revenge in Cairo be a harbinger of similar events in other countries?

    The uniqueness of the Egyptian army was also written at the first stage of the revolution. This is a very prestigious and powerful corporation, traditionally enjoying high authority among the population. Neither in Libya, nor in Tunisia, this is not. In Syria, the situation is completely different due to the deep heterogeneity of society, its delimitation along religious and ethnic lines. Yemen is a split country, compiled relatively recently from the two. An analogy arises with Turkey: there the role of the generals and the military in politics has always been decisive, and only the Islamists under the leadership of Recep Tayyip Erdogan managed to put an end to this. Recent events in Istanbul have reminded the government of how vulnerable it is, despite the obvious economic successes. The army did not side with the protesters, as in Egypt, the systematic ten-year suppression of its independence has borne fruit. However, the Turkish model itself, in which the army provided a certain socio-political structure for most of the twentieth century, is considered by many secular forces in the region as an alternative to the rule of Islamists.
  40. fzr1000
    fzr1000 4 July 2013 16: 13
    +1
    The next zigzag of the Egyptian revolution creates a new alignment of forces in the Middle East, therefore the actions of external players - neighbors and not only are fundamentally important. The US reaction is not hard to imagine - if only there would not be a surge of violence that would make Washington remember democratic rhetoric. Then they themselves will immediately become her hostages. If it succeeds without suppression, then the Americans have no reason for discontent: the army is the guarantor of not only a secular system, but also cooperation with the United States, and most importantly, normal relations with Israel. (The military, however, can also change, after all, the surrounding reality affects them, and the awakened Arab street does not sympathize with the Jewish state at all.) Europe, as usual, will discuss the common position for a long time, will not formulate it, but will generally join America. It is much more difficult to predict the behavior of neighbors - Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which actively support Islamic forces in Egypt. Actually, the question is whether the monarchies of the Persian Gulf will inflate internal civil strife or will they be satisfied for the time being with the role of observers. They now look at all events through the prism of the struggle with Iran and Shiites, and much depends on whether Cairo will lean toward a more or less radical line.

    No matter what the next act of the “Arab Spring” ends, the Egyptian lesson is extremely important. The reason for the crisis is the desire of the Islamic authorities to interpret the victory in democratic and, probably, really honest elections as carte blanche for the fundamental transformation of the state and society. Meanwhile, Mursi’s superiority in the elections was minimal, and even if the overwhelming majority stood behind him, reluctance to take into account the opinions of influential and active minorities is risky. Almost all Arab states, both in terms of population composition and composition of borders, are the result of the work of the colonial powers. Hard suppression, consolidating repressive autocracy were for decades quite an effective way to maintain stability, but then they exhausted themselves. Democracy in the form of unconditional rule of the majority and subordination to it of all other groups for almost any country in the region is fraught with fragmentation: minorities will simply try to “escape” with their territory of residence or, where it is impossible, to isolate themselves for self-defense. Libya and Syria, two countries where the transformation took place in the most violent way, are on the verge of real disintegration. In Egypt, those whose opinions are not taken into account, gathered together to again change power.

    Egypt is an excellent illustration for a textbook on political theory. The key to success here, as in other Arab states, is only reliance on a broad consensus that will take into account the interests of all minorities and social groups. If this does not happen, and democracy is interpreted simplistically, as the power of the majority, there will always be forces capable of challenging it.

    In general, the forecasts that many Orientalists made back in the first phase of the "spring" are confirmed. The Middle East has entered a long, years, if not decades, era of instability and renewal. There are no recipes, nor is anyone immune to changes: those countries that are actively channeling energy away from themselves (the same Arab monarchies of the bay) will sooner or later turn out to be not subjects, but objects of some completely different policy.

    F. Lukyanov
  41. Makarov
    Makarov 4 July 2013 16: 21
    0
    There is nothing to catch there, not a rest, but almost completely strained ... pyramids, except perhaps to see ... so no, give your wife Sharm-el-Sheikh, the mother of his God, mother's soul! (Sorry) ... the ass of the world with sand, stinking Arabs on stinking camels to young girls constantly offering hashik, "killed" furniture in a 5 * hotel ... has its own charms, but there is really nothing to catch except diving, Turkey is even brighter ...
  42. Vtel
    Vtel 4 July 2013 16: 23
    0
    Take away their steering wheel and Chaos will stop.
  43. Nayhas
    Nayhas 4 July 2013 16: 53
    +1
    Congratulations to the Egyptians on the victory and unity of the people and the army!
  44. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 17: 26
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    Quote: faraon
    The answer is the same: the lower classes can no longer and the upper circles do not want

    The action "Get up Ukraine" lasted more than three months, judging by the results - the "lower classes" did not care about it. The "upper classes" are not its organizers either ... which means your statement is meaningless.
    Quote: faraon
    Let's put aside the national motive.

    Why is that?
    Quote: faraon
    I just had a choice. I left for another country where my children grew up, my grandchildren were born, where I buried my parents. I left the country where my children and grandchildren had no future, and my parents had a decent old age.

    They left - and thank God, but the question remains open - why the hell do the Jews arrange mouse fuss everywhere wherever they have such an opportunity? Is this such a feature of Jewish psychology?
    Quote: faraon
    And you don’t have it.

    And I don’t need him. laughing

    So what of this.? How many revolutions were there and what made the people of Ukraine live better? Twenty years have passed and what has changed. The largest city-forming enterprises were cut into scrap metal. In their place, they created nothing. Veterans of the armed forces call for a trip to Syria on the side of Assad — what if it’s not a disgrace to a country that cannot provide its citizens with a decent standard of living., and how many people went out of need for a long ruble and laid their heads on the post of Soviet space ????
    And you claim that the lower classes didn’t want her, they simply disbelieved in the corrupt government when the cops are arbitrary. Corruption at the state level, theft.
    I didn’t want to raise the national question, but if you don’t give a damn and you have no one to stand at the helm, call at least Trotsky’s grandchildren, they will help you build an independent state. As economically and politically. Remember history Egypt, Spain, but don’t repeat their mistakes expel them wrongly and your country will fall in flight
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 17: 33
      0
      Quote: faraon
      And you claim that the lower classes didn’t want her, they simply disbelieved in the corrupt government when the cops are arbitrary. Corruption at the state level, theft.

      And therefore did not follow the revolutionaries? laughing
      Quote: faraon
      They will help you build an independent state.

      I was quite happy with the one in which I was born. laughing
      You did not answer the question: what connection did you see in the rebellion in Syria with the absence of a treaty with Israel?
  45. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 17: 36
    +1
    Ukraine still pull everything out, flew to Israel and live there. Russia will help Ukraine. Take away the grandchildren of Trotsky, we do not need them for nothing
  46. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 17: 38
    0
    Arkan Israel and bomb Syria. Do not argue in the Jews, they killed Jesus)))
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 17: 48
      0
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      Do not argue in the Jews they killed Jesus

      I can - I have stable immunity from their negativity. drinks smile
  47. faraon
    faraon 4 July 2013 17: 45
    -1
    Quote: Arkan
    Quote: faraon
    And you claim that the lower classes didn’t want her, they simply disbelieved in the corrupt government when the cops are arbitrary. Corruption at the state level, theft.

    And therefore did not follow the revolutionaries? laughing
    Quote: faraon
    They will help you build an independent state.

    I was quite happy with the one in which I was born. laughing
    You did not answer the question: what connection did you see in the rebellion in Syria with the absence of a treaty with Israel?

    You have another option then - the flag YOU in your hands. But the state in which I was born is no longer there is only a raw materials appendage of the West, and now China.
    You still didn’t understand what kind of connection our common border is simple and if joint production is to be created in the demilitarized zone, then this is workplaces raising the standard of living of the local population, Assad needed to carry out reforms aimed at rapprochement with Israel as Jordan did. Then you would have flowed into it investments. Joint projects would appear (Example of the Dead Sea with Jordan) And this is an economic upsurge and against this background there would be reasons for rebellion. Since everyone is happy with this cooperation
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 4 July 2013 17: 58
      +1
      Well, it’s necessary, but I always thought that the basis of the economic well-being of Saudi Arabia is oil deposits, and it’s like that ... laughing
      Quote: faraon
      And this is an economic upsurge and against the backdrop of this, there would be reasons for rebellion

      The anti-government protests in Saudi Arabia were immediately suppressed, but nevertheless they were, what was the people were not happy with there - not a close enough friendship with Israel? laughing
  48. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 July 2013 17: 46
    0
    That's interesting. When do Arabs work ??? or is it their job that they’re always yelling something that a tourniquet shoots each other .. The taste of it clearly included an adrenaline rush (I won’t be surprised if this happens again in two years ..)))) bully
  49. Muxauk
    Muxauk 4 July 2013 17: 52
    +2
    Assad could not get close to Israel. And I think after the civil war there will be no rapprochement, since Israel intervened and is not on Assad’s side. Now that Assad’s victory is inevitable, Israel may have big problems, as the Syrians have learned to fight now, and Assad will enjoy the huge support of the population.
  50. individual
    individual 4 July 2013 18: 17
    +1
    During the election campaign Mursi promised to become a real democrat, to be president for all Egyptians, the opinion of which he will listen. During the pre-election debate, he vowed to voluntarily leave the presidency if the “people demand”.
    After the inauguration of Mursi, he actively wiped out the military, parliament and courts from the levers of governing the country. Only his supporters remained in parliament, and the independence of the courts turned into a fiction. In a matter of months, Mursi received almost the same powers as Mubarak before him.
    The Egyptians realized that this was a big deception and again came to the return of the revolution.