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Overpopulation?

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Recently, a Moscow-Delhi video bridge was held on the theme: "East-West: demographic problems. Forecasts and comments." According to a UN demographic study, the world's population will exceed 2025 billion by 8, and 2100 billion by 11. At the same time, in 15 years India will become the leader in terms of population, leaving the current most populous country, China, far behind. There are questions about whether the Earth will cope with such a number of inhabitants? What problems will the population growth bring to the states of the East and the West, the North and the South? The participants of the event, experts from Russia and India, gave their comments on the demographic prospects of the planet and their states, as well as the related challenges.


During the dialogue, the problems of overpopulation and aging of the planet’s population, the allocation of resources and the provision of growing economies with energy were discussed. Different opinions were expressed, but experts agreed on one thing: overpopulation of the planet is a problem that is largely contrived. An expert from Russia, Igor Beloborodov, expressed the opinion that the problem of extinction rather than overpopulation faces mankind, and cited data indicating that by 2020, the global birth rate will fall below the generational replacement threshold, and by the end of the century the population decline in the world will be approximately equal to 50 million per year. Also, most experts agreed that, both at this stage and in the foreseeable future, there is no problem of lack of resources - the problem is only in their proper distribution. The fact is that many countries attach serious importance to the issue of their own resource independence and, instead of solving problems together, mankind solves them separately. If this task is successfully accomplished, this will be the most important step towards reducing wars and violence on a global scale.

The Director of the Institute for Demographic Studies, Igor Beloborodov, told the “Tomorrow” correspondent about the demographic processes taking place in Russia and the world and about the fact that we are all waiting for the “Tomorrow” correspondent.

"TOMORROW". When global regulation of demographic processes in the world or in a single country is carried out - is this acceptable from the point of view of universal values?

Igor Beloborodov. Of course, any practice of birth control, population size implies anti-human things - whether it is abortion, sterilization, or the prohibition of marriage. It is no coincidence that even the international definition of genocide, among other things, includes an obstacle to reproduction - this is accepted by the international community, that is, the one who does not allow another person to give birth to the desired number of children, in principle carries out genocide in its most unattractive form, because cannot continue its kind, its future. This is negative both at the micro level - the level of a specific family, and at the level of a single community, society as a whole.

All dictators, mostly supported their own population, as Hitler did: he encouraged Germans with many children, Aryans and stimulated marriages with foreign women among German citizens. But at the same time, he maximally promoted abortion and contraceptive practices in the occupied territories. This is well known. Therefore, any attempts, under any pretexts, to engage in the reduction of the population - this is clearly a demographic fascism. And in the modern world, it is also a form of neo-colonization. Now colonialism has acquired other forms - for example, economic, when countries are not allowed to develop, they dictate conditions, such as "we will give you a loan or let into our markets only if you fulfill our requirements in your country". Or when promoted binding for all decisions that relate to, for example, sex education, containing different types of perversions, age of marriage, the widest access to abortion, the promotion of homosexuality. This is all that today comes from a fairly narrow group of people and that does not fully comply with either traditional ideas or the aspirations of citizens of developing countries, including India, China, Africa, Russia, all of Latin America, that is, the majority of humanity does not accept it. But, nevertheless, there is such a narrow group of people who impose such a demographic agenda. Because, by killing a family, by destroying the “civilization clips” that are family relationships, such a population can be easily managed. Moreover, it will not grow numerically, which means that there is no geopolitical threat, no fear that the country will compete in the future.

Overpopulation?

"TOMORROW". That is, the problem is not in the media, but in research centers that deliberately promote distorted ideas about the real situation in the world?

I.B. I would say that this is a problem of political circles, media players who order the necessary research results to pseudo-scientific organizations to promote certain solutions. Right now, Russia is under enormous pressure only because it fulfills the “will of the people” when 88% of our population is unambiguously against homosexuality, its legalization, propaganda - and now it is in this connection that we are under serious pressure. And also from whom! Well, it would be really some kind of models, but when the mayors of various European cities, being themselves homosexuals, impose their point of view on us - this is not even an exchange of opinions, this is an attempt to indicate. But they cannot understand that modern Europe is only economically good, it will last temporarily, because demographic problems will drown it. And morally, in terms of historical perspectives, politically - this is the garbage of civilizations. I think that if they do not pay attention to Russia, then they will be forced to do this by Muslims who are unstoppably flowing to Europe and soon there will be Sharia laws there. Soon, all their discussions about the freedom of morals, about homosexuality will be discussed in a completely different tone.

"TOMORROW". Recently, Sobyanin announced that there will be a new policy for illegal migrants. Do you think these statements will become a prologue to concrete actions or is this empty rhetoric?

Ib Can't say for sure. This topic periodically pops up on the eve of the elections, but it is really relevant, topical and reflects the opinion of the people. If we look at criminal statistics, we will understand why the population does not accept foreign cultural migration. It’s not even about regulating the existing migration flows - this had to be done a long time ago and we’ve already been late with this, although we still have to do it anyway. The question now is how to remove the excess mass of migrants from Russian cities.

Because this is a factor in the archaization of the economy: not a single strong economy in the world has grown at the expense of brooms, shovels and other primitive tools. On programmers, it’s a fact that entire sectors of the US and German economy are growing, and they import such migrants to themselves.

Someone is inclined to believe that migrants from the CIS countries are close to us, because they are culturally connected with us. With regard to Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus, I can still say this, with some reservations. With regard to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, this applies only to Kyrgyzstan and to Russian-speaking residents of Central Asia. The Russian language has not been taught there for a long time, cultural distance is too strong, the population’s opposition is too high, and criminal overtones are too high. If in Russia the people from a particular state are leading in terms of crimes related to drug trafficking (90% of cases occur among migrants from Tajikistan), then it is clear that the attitude towards them will be appropriate. If rape, in certain periods, in the capital are the citizens of Uzbekistan, then who would welcome such a migration?

Enormous funds are leaving the country, for the last year - approximately 11 or 12 billion dollars - and this is only legal, through bank transfer systems. If we take into account that taxes were unpaid, that the export of funds took place, among other things, simply in pockets and through illegal banks, that is, it is clear that the economy is bled. This is a corruption factor, because there will be no corruption that is so widespread among the officials responsible for migration issues, among the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, unless there is a pushing factor. After all, clans, communities are very influential, uniting, they are capable of bribing officials, for blackmail. They are trying to gain a foothold as much as possible, to develop ties in government circles, and subsequently this leads to lobbying their interests in power. It may turn out like in France or the USA, when it started with the fact that migrants were allowed in, then they were allowed to stay, then the migrants demanded family reunification, and then they began to say that they wanted their representatives in power. That's what we're going.

This is relevant, by the way, with respect to China, although such a quiet migration is taking place in this direction, but the line is the same. It is just a matter of time.

If Sobyanin’s thesis doesn't work, we’ll get exactly what you deserve. Because, firstly, the people who lost the ability to reproduce, who hated childbearing, family, motherhood, fatherhood and their own children, do not deserve to live happily ever after - this is not my opinion, this is a historical pattern.

Secondly, since we are not able to resist the migration threat by legal, civilized methods, including exerting the necessary, permissible within the framework of the law, pressure on the government, this means that we are not able to defend our state. A lot of countries defended their sovereignty. Japan lives without any migration, and the leader in the economy, technology, in general, is a model of how to develop positively. Or Israel, in which migration is permissible, but only as the repatriation of the Jews. For this purpose, a special network of agencies around the world has been created, and a separate ministry of absorption has been created.
And in Russia, the doors are actually open, and this openness will lead to what is already observed today in Holland, France, Switzerland, and Germany, where the Germans are already leaving Berlin, freeing up space for other nations. All this is fraught with serious civilizational costs, first of all, the loss of its cultural face and the historical death of the people.


"TOMORROW". As for the migration directly within our country? For example, from the North Caucasus to the cities of the Central region. What are the processes going on here?

Ib About the same thing happens. If you look at polls that even conducted fairly liberal centers for studying public opinion, then we see that the most favorable attitude towards migrants - immigrants from Ukraine, then goes Moldova, unfortunately, with regard to the internal Russian migrants from the North Caucasus, their arrival does not enjoy much approval among Muscovites. There is not much difference between whether a migrant comes, relatively speaking, from Tajikistan or from Dagestan. Why? Yes, we are all citizens of one country, we all have to build and build it, but there are cultural differences, there are critical limits for the allowable resettlement of certain representatives of some Russian regions to others. If today, in some artificial way, to put in Dagestan, for example, 200 thousand inhabitants of the Republic of Tyva or Buryatia, or resettle 300 thousand Tatars there, tension will also arise - this is absolutely inevitable. Not because there are better nations, but there are worse - everyone is equal before God, the law and each other. But there is a cultural distance, and when a critical mass of one or another alien population reaches an alarming mark for the local population, friction begins.

I believe that the regions of the North Caucasus should receive a good impetus for their own development, otherwise we will continue to subsidize them, and young, passionate people will leave their small homeland. It is necessary even for a certain period to close the internal regional borders, and to make sure that the indigenous people participate in the development and prosperity of their region. This, firstly, will soften interethnic tension in Russia itself, between its different but fraternal peoples, and, secondly, it will help the regions to develop economically.
"TOMORROW". And how to do this in practice?

Ib After the unrest, when fans of one of the football teams took to the streets demanding to punish the person who, in their opinion, committed the crime, which was later confirmed, Vladimir Putin said that if it continues like this, we will have to close our cities, Moscow in particular. I think this is absolutely the right question. Now we need to think about how to resettle Moscow and the big cities. The issue of de-urbanization is on the agenda, because we have the main growth zone - Moscow and the region, the entire population is flocking here. Accordingly, entire territories are laid bare, both in the Chinese border region and in the Kaliningrad enclave throughout Russia. This pernicious practice leads to extinction. In addition, any urbanization zone adversely affects the birth rate. In Moscow, the birth rate will always be lower than, for example, in the republics of the North Caucasus, Altai and the Tyva Republic. Therefore, it is necessary to look at the resettlement policy, not to allow the emergence of ethnic settlements, for Russia they are not useful when incoming migrants focus in one place and ethnic isolation occurs. It is important not to allow chaotic influx into growth zones - all of Russia should become a growth zone and a calm zone, including interethnic. This will not be achieved if we continue to condone intensive urbanization — we need to deurbanize our largest country in the world.
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  1. orff
    orff 3 July 2013 15: 39
    15
    The more people in the country, the more the government does not care.
    And what, for example, did we hear from the media about recent floods in China and India?
    1. According to the official version, the latest news about the flood in India is as follows: 575 people died, about 14 thousand are reported missing, more than 60 thousand are in need of emergency assistance. Destroyed more than 600 houses.
    2. In the Chinese province of Sichuan, more than four million people were affected by floods caused by heavy rains.
    And about Africa, just silence - there they die with hunger of entire villages - the normal course of life.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 3 July 2013 15: 44
      +4
      I would like to hear an example of such disregard for an increasing population.
    2. zennon
      zennon 3 July 2013 18: 17
      +8
      Only facts. Ethiopia 1974. Population 34 million. Continuing articles and programs on hunger and extinction. The USSR provides trucks and helicopters to carry mattress grain there. 1983-85. Hunger and extinction. 2013, population estimate 85 up to 93 million.
      And about Africa, just silence - there they die with hunger of entire villages - the normal course of life.
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 3 July 2013 23: 02
        +4
        And who prevents them from working, earning and feeding their children? We got used to hope for humanitarian aid. Sure! It is easier to take the machine gun in hand and go to support some "front of horns and hooves".
  2. experienced
    experienced 3 July 2013 15: 40
    25
    Russia does not face the problem of overpopulation in the near future, and therefore it should not even be considered. It’s like starting to think about malnourishment of penguins or an overabundance of crocodiles in the Nile. Countries that cannot feed (place) their population need to raise the issue of regulating demographics. At present, Russia has the opposite problem.
    1. GovernmentFSO
      GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 53
      +1
      Russia is threatened by China from the east, the Caucasus with Arabs, from the west of NATO, that's a mustache!
    2. zennon
      zennon 3 July 2013 20: 55
      +5
      Russia does not face the problem of overpopulation in the near future, and therefore it should not even be considered.
      At present, Russia has the opposite problem.
      But the authorities seem to have a recipe for her decision to populate the country with Asians. The truth is what will happen to the country and in general what kind of country it will be, they do not bother.
    3. Pelican
      Pelican 3 July 2013 21: 54
      +1
      You forget that 80% of the population lives but 30% of the territory. And migrants strive for the same 30%.
      1. zennon
        zennon 3 July 2013 21: 59
        +1
        You forget that 80% of the population lives but 30% of the territory.

        I don’t forget anything. I remember, for example, that the largest island in Greenland in the world belongs to a tiny Denmark. Well, so what?
    4. aksakal
      aksakal 3 July 2013 22: 50
      -2
      Quote: seasoned
      At present, Russia has the opposite problem.
      - What do you mean? The exact opposite, you say? And judging by Russian publications on this topic, you have a severe overpopulation raging in Russia, and therefore such publications DOMINATE in the Russian media! For ten such publications - only one publication in inconspicuous and unrated media on the topic "give birth to more children!" In order not to be unfounded, one of the most talented (well, in the sense, the author is not deprived of the talent to dirty paper - both literacy and imagery, and even the slang of the youth subculture is skillfully applied - it is necessary to somehow intelligibly convey to the target audience the idea that she do something! laughing ) publications: http://www.vz.ru/opinions/2013/6/28/639172.html Enjoy reading! laughing If your girls (we used to joke - "if you want a good wife - go to Russia, light a fire from a hastily cooked hut, let the horse gallop around and lie in ambush - the prey will arrive soon laughing) are being read, then I am sorry for the great and mighty people in the past. Very sorry. We simply cannot have such publications, and if there appears a bold scribbler, they will bite and spit, you won’t be glad.
      1. Galina
        Galina 3 July 2013 23: 54
        +3
        Thank you, I read the article. The vulgar, rotten fiction, written by some loser - a feminist. No more. Or a provocation. But the comments are correct!
        Such "girls" are now almost everywhere. I think even you will find some kind of "femensha". True, she will have less chances to appear in your area than we have, but still ...
        I think that to this day in our countries, every girl wants to be a wife and mother. Another thing is that in the new realities of modern life, this desire is faced with the dream of living beautifully, as shown in American films. And here it is up to the parents, school, culture, church - who will get the upper hand.
        The question is complex, but solvable.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 4 July 2013 17: 01
          +1
          Quote: Galina
          The question is complex, but solvable.

          - as you see, they don’t even start a decision. Freedom of speech, which in fact turns into propaganda pressure on women of childbearing age by an unknown but very powerful group of people. By the way, the author -
          Quote: Galina
          loser - feminist
          - brings up children. As you can see, he is in no hurry to follow his own advice. laughing It looks like this opus is clearly written by order. And on the part of those in power, there’s no reaction to such massive pressure.
  3. GovernmentFSO
    GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 15: 52
    -1
    Of course, the UN wrote that in 2013 there will be a population, but not 7 billion people ... there are many parasites!
    1. GovernmentFSO
      GovernmentFSO 3 July 2013 16: 27
      0
      who gave me a minus that "Rooster"
  4. Yeraz
    Yeraz 3 July 2013 15: 53
    +4
    article plus +++ good
  5. falcon
    falcon 3 July 2013 15: 54
    0
    The article is good, timed to the upcoming elections of the mayor of Moscow - Sobyanin.
    1. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 3 July 2013 21: 31
      +5
      Personally, I don’t believe in numbers a long time ago. Why? Our VTsIOMs fulfill orders of their owners. What do we see in reality? Drinking, drug addiction, moral degradation of a young person’s personality, lack of patriotism, etc. This list can be continued for a long time.
      The most interesting thing is that in small Pakistan the population is about the same as Russia — 144 million people.
  6. Denb
    Denb 3 July 2013 15: 55
    +7
    Maybe it is worth introducing visas for Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, or is it "you are apolitically speaking, yeah!" repeat
    1. Manager
      Manager 3 July 2013 17: 28
      11
      Quote: DeNB
      Maybe it is worth introducing visas for Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, or is it "you are apolitically speaking, yeah!"

      It is necessary to develop all regions. That everywhere work was and people were needed. And Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to the nail! They cannot live without us, so let them live under us in the good sense of the word. Like in the USSR. And damn it all so independent, and so to work in Russia. It shouldn’t be like that!
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 3 July 2013 19: 58
      +3
      Kyrgyz do not carry any threat, read the article fellow laughing
      1. Jarik56
        Jarik56 4 July 2013 04: 34
        +2
        There are apparently fewer of them in Moscow. In Orenburg, we have them in abundance and behave disgustingly. Apartments are bought even in a mortgage !!! They drag their relatives, nobody wants to study (I'm talking about children), only those who were born before 91 years old understand the Russian language. District police officers (we have more than half of Kazakhs in the police force, especially in the lower ranks) are at one with them. So you need to drive them and not let them! And more: Ukrainians, Moldavians, Belarusians - they are Orthodox. And this is very important. It’s more pleasant for me to hear the ringing of the bell, but not the bismillah of Rahmani Rahim (I already learned it) :), but it’s easier with us.
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 4 July 2013 09: 15
          +3
          Hello, Kazakhs have lived in Orenburg for centuries, even the capital of the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was Orenburg. Well, the fact that you let the Kyrgyz people is a problem with the legislation, we (in Almaty) have a little of them, although their capital is 250 km away
  7. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 3 July 2013 16: 14
    +7
    was this year in India - Goa, Karnataka, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh. as a tourist of course, but nonetheless. there is no feeling of overpopulation. if now there is officially 1,2 billion, and according to the Indians themselves 1,5 billion, because many, especially in rural areas, are simply not registered, this territory will calmly feed by eye and 3-4 times more. huge spaces are not populated or used, and this is not somewhere in the Himalayas, but on the plain.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 3 July 2013 18: 42
      +5
      And in China, too, everyone concentrated in the south along the sea. Inner China is empty and a goal.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 4 July 2013 08: 56
        0
        Alexandr0id, ed65b write everything correctly. The problem of overpopulation in China, India, shall we say, is slightly exaggerated. In China, in 10 years from now, the consequences of the one-family-one-child policy will begin to show. The population there is aging rapidly. Reproductive functions are impaired accordingly.
        In general, sociologists have long studied the problem of declining birth rates as citizens' living standards increase. If in the Middle Ages another child in the family is not only another mouth, but also a pair of arms and legs is another breadwinner and protector, in modern times it is a burden that hinders one from pursuing a career and enjoying the joys of life. Therefore, in developed countries there is a tendency to establish one child, and as late as possible.
        And not only in Europe. Recently I was in Iran. There are also a few large families. Those. the tendency is clearly expressed.
        In any case, biology and sociology have protective mechanisms that will not allow a demographic catastrophe to happen.
        Another thing is aggressive intervention. The fact that after the collapse of 90's is observed in Russia. Sometimes I start to think that we have passed the point of no return.
        Given the disregarding attitude of the authorities towards migrants, I cease to have any illusions. request
  8. polly
    polly 3 July 2013 16: 28
    +7
    No visas and laws will help with the low self-awareness of Russians themselves, look how many heads (!) Of migration services are caught for bribes. Housing and communal services that populate illegal migrants in the "Khrushchevkas" to be demolished in Moscow, having considerable profits, or ordinary Muscovites who rent out their apartments
    Orava visiting guests, without asking if they have documents and what.
  9. Manager
    Manager 3 July 2013 16: 43
    +3
    In China and India, condoms must be issued free of charge from the age of 11)))) And in Russia, on the contrary, they are selling leaky ones. Then everything will normalize.
    1. Snake831
      Snake831 3 July 2013 17: 18
      12
      They would give apartments to young families, such a question would not have stood at all! Oh! USSR! Eternal memory to you!
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 3 July 2013 23: 18
        +1
        Quote: Snake831
        They would give apartments to young families, such a question would not have stood at all!

        And what would it give? There is nothing worse than apartment buildings where people live like in an anthill, but unlike an anthill they are all divided. In normal countries, people live in their homes, in apartment buildings, either students or poverty. Having your own home allows you to have more than three children, solves the issue of parking, a playground. In the end, the family has an ECONOMY that needs to be organized (cleaning snow, leaves, mowing the lawn, etc.) and the very feeling of the owner appears, independence from all kinds of housing and communal services.
    2. zennon
      zennon 3 July 2013 21: 02
      +2
      Quote: Manager
      In China and India, condoms must be issued free of charge from the age of 11)))) And in Russia, on the contrary, they are selling leaky ones. Then everything will normalize.

      In 1940, Heinrich Himler ordered the production of condoms to be stopped in Germany. As for India, they are actively promoting their use under the WHO program. He saw elephants hung with placards about the need to use condoms. It doesn’t affect the number of mowgli .. .
    3. 225chay
      225chay 4 July 2013 08: 34
      0
      Quote: Manager
      In China and India, condoms must be issued free of charge from the age of 11)))) And in Russia, on the contrary, they are selling leaky ones.

      Without the elimination of abortion - this will be a half measure))
  10. krez-74
    krez-74 3 July 2013 16: 48
    +6
    Immigrants and the North Caucasus. In no way aliens! They live in their own country! If the author wants to say that they should be kept especially hot within the framework of the law, then this must be said in another way! As for immigrants from Asian countries, this is a question for the government. Or do you want, as before, to take your passports so that they do not move around the country? -This is idiocy! It’s easier to develop the country evenly, and not just Moscow alone!
    By the way, in one of the previous articles "about the ruins of friendship between peoples", the author also writes nonsense, disclaiming responsibility ... Russians are leaving speaks of difficulties. Was it not a Russian who gathered the country, solving difficulties and enduring hardships? Or does modern Russian only know how to avoid problems?
    1. Manager
      Manager 3 July 2013 17: 26
      +5
      Hello Cupid! As always, you write everything correctly. Namely, about the uniform development of the country and about the fact that the inhabitants of the Caucasus, like all Russians, live in their own country and can move around it as they like. And the rest is the matter of the police. To stop crimes and to put in jails shushers instead of knocking off bribes from them.
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 35
        +1
        Hi Maxim!
        I admit, and as everyone is adequate, I see that there are problems in the country, but problems need to be solved, not transferred to others. In our country, for some reason, always and everywhere, someone from outside is to blame ... But the levels of all problems are different, and at all levels, little by little you can solve them, you just need to start with yourself!
        Sincerely, Cupid!
  11. Igarr
    Igarr 3 July 2013 16: 51
    +3
    Interesting affairs ...
    Demographic Research Directors need to show that they also work.
    Plow, so to speak, without straightening the back. Already corns .. on the seat.
    Well, that's right, Sobyanin is an extradition.
    Any forecasts ...
    Suddenly a "big extinguisher" will arrive - and, hello, the doorkeeper Peter.
    The lithosphere plate in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk twitches - and Japan sailed with China and the Far East.
    In the Indian Ocean it will shake again, but more powerfully - and the amba of India, Indikitayu, Australia.
    The San Diego Rift ...., a new ocean forming in the Red Sea ...., whether there is a Gulf Stream, or not - it is unclear - and this is already fraught. Freeze "hamadryas" in Europe.
    Uh-uh ... I predict myself, Predicamus Suffered ..
    ....
    What to do with migrants? That is the question!
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 3 July 2013 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      Plow, so to speak, without straightening the back. Already corns .. on the seat.

      How are these the same? In the galleys? laughing
      1. Manager
        Manager 3 July 2013 17: 23
        +1
        Quote: Trapper7
        How are these the same? In the galleys?

        No, like these same ones, well, these are many in Geyrop.
        1. Trapperxnumx
          Trapperxnumx 4 July 2013 10: 54
          0
          Quote: Manager
          No, like these same ones, well, these are many in Geyrop.

          AAAAahahahahah !!!! And you can’t argue, damn it! Passed !!!
  12. Snake831
    Snake831 3 July 2013 17: 12
    +1
    In light of how they breed, we need more weapons of mass destruction, on as few vulnerable carriers as possible! No matter how they came to us for a zemlyatse.
    1. krez-74
      krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 15
      +8
      It is necessary to give birth more, and raise children, and not let the gases in all directions!
      1. Snake831
        Snake831 3 July 2013 17: 19
        +1
        Has a lot of birth?
        1. krez-74
          krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 22
          -1
          You do not have enough carriers!
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            1. krez-74
              krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 29
              +4
              I have three, I bring up, in satiety, in abundance, not an oligarch, I can and can work ... What else?
              1. Snake831
                Snake831 3 July 2013 17: 35
                +6
                Then my respect for you was mistaken for a clever puppy! Also not an oligarch, but hard anyway. Is not it so?
                1. Manager
                  Manager 3 July 2013 17: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Snake831
                  mistook for a clever puppy

                  At least they would have looked at the photo hi
                  1. Snake831
                    Snake831 3 July 2013 17: 42
                    +2
                    I’m from smart, Mr. Sentinel! Slowly loading!) Text right away, photo later!;)
                  2. krez-74
                    krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 43
                    +1
                    What’s my last name for? She is too famous to call her to you ... (Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession)
                    hi
                2. krez-74
                  krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 38
                  +2
                  And now my respect for you! Thank!
                  Life is not easy, I won’t argue, but I’m sure that when everything comes too easy, it has little value!
                  Regards Cupid!
                  1. Snake831
                    Snake831 3 July 2013 17: 46
                    +2
                    This is all so! But back to the topic. Judge for yourself! We don’t have time to fix the demography, whatever one may say, but there are already too many of them.
                    1. krez-74
                      krez-74 3 July 2013 17: 54
                      10
                      I know firsthand how in the region of Sochi, already, illegal immigrants and migrant workers are caught, and sent home! So, systematic work is going on. Russia's misfortune is different; it is developed and is developing unevenly !!! Entire areas are dying, and some islets are blooming, so people travel in search of a better life ... Not a single normal person will abandon his birthplace. if he has work and prosperity!
                      There will be uniform development, I assure you, many problems will be resolved by themselves!
                      1. Canep
                        Canep 3 July 2013 18: 21
                        +8
                        You are right, my parents are from a village in the Ivanovo region, everything was OK with the union, and in the 90s a textile factory stood up that had been working for 100 years (it seems to have been written on a pipe 1891), and now half of the houses are abandoned or dismantled, and the peasants ( who stayed) go to work in Moscow.
                      2. Pelican
                        Pelican 3 July 2013 22: 13
                        +3
                        Rather, the visibility of the work! 30 thousand are annually deported from the Russian Federation and 400 thousand from the USA. With one hand they deport, with the other they give out citizenship. By the way, citizens of the CIS have the right to receive a pension in the Russian Federation, and now also vote in local elections ...
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 July 2013 17: 46
    +8
    Nature will settle everything .. The epidemic wars natural disasters .. what is happening now in the initial stage .. And our task is to save the territory from all this hungry uneducated horde .. It will be very difficult ...
    1. Snake831
      Snake831 3 July 2013 18: 08
      +2
      You are a good person!
  14. zennon
    zennon 3 July 2013 18: 31
    -1
    I trust professionals. People who have been dealing with the problems of the Earth, nature, population, civilization all my life. Sir David Frederick Attenborough, one of the authorities in this field. TV presenter, scientist, critic believes that the optimal population of the planet should not exceed 2 billion. This is so.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 3 July 2013 19: 08
      0
      Well then read Malthus.
      He is even more radical than Attenborough. And I like it. True, when it's all away from Russia.
      ..
      ..
      And, if you will, how old are you?
      For exactly so many years you, PERSONALLY, have been dealing with the problems of "... Earth, nature, population, civilization ...
      ..."
      And there are no other ... busy ones ... on Earth.
      1. zennon
        zennon 3 July 2013 20: 40
        +1
        Well then read Malthus.

        I read it with pleasure! Its main postulate is that the population is growing faster than the resources necessary to ensure it. I fully agree.
        For exactly so many years you, PERSONALLY, have been dealing with the problems of "... Earth, nature, population, civilization ...
        ..."

        I don’t do much. I'm 51 years old.
        And there are no other ... busy ones ... on Earth.

        Sorry, I didn’t understand. What are you talking about?
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 3 July 2013 21: 14
          0
          Ah ... well maybe ...
          in printed speech .. intonations are obscure.
          I am 54 ... but nevertheless, I believe ... that each of us who comes to Earth fulfills our duty.
          DEBT. DUTY. OBLIGATION.
          ..
          Not a gram is an apologist for Hinduism, Vichyism, the other religions there.
          I honestly believe in my religion.
          I believe that I am the son of God. And I can change something myself.
          And, if I can’t, I simply endure.
          Although I do not deny myself the pleasure .... poke ... moan .. please
    2. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 3 July 2013 19: 19
      +2
      Quote: zennon
      I trust professionals. People all my life engaged in the problems of the Earth, nature, population, civilization.Sir David Frederick Attenborough, one of the authorities in this area. TV presenter, scientist, critic believes that the optimal population of the planet should not exceed 2 billion. This is so.

      Have you ever heard of British scientists?
      They, you know, are soooo British ... laughing lol
      1. zennon
        zennon 3 July 2013 20: 48
        -1
        Have you ever heard of British scientists?
        They, you know, are soooo British ...

        I heard, you know. I’m generally an educated person. It’s just that even for listing them and their contribution to civilization, there will be much more space than can accommodate posts.
        1. Cheloveck
          Cheloveck 3 July 2013 21: 16
          0
          Quote: zennon
          I heard, you know. I’m generally an educated person. It’s just that even for listing them and their contribution to civilization, there will be much more space than can accommodate posts.

          Unfortunately, their contributions were made long ago, and this character is from modern ...
          And now they are, for the most part, "British" ...
          For what they paid, they justified ...
          1. zennon
            zennon 3 July 2013 21: 56
            -1
            For what they paid, they justified ...

            Do not keep people for puppets. Have you paid, or paid with you?
            1. Cheloveck
              Cheloveck 3 July 2013 23: 20
              +1
              Quote: zennon
              Do not keep people for puppets. Have you paid, or paid with you?

              Ek has incurred you ... laughing
              Head turn on not fate?
              The same ones mentioned by China and India completely feed their population (in any case, the average life expectancy in these countries exceeds that for Russia), and this is 2,5 billion people who chew actively every day. You must admit that this is even more than the number declared by the respected Sir.
              Moreover, both countries are quite actively exporting their agricultural products.
              1. zennon
                zennon 3 July 2013 23: 59
                -1
                Head turn on not fate?

                Take care with your own head! Are you breaking yourself into a very knowledgeable person? Why on earth do you blame a respected person for serving someone's interests? You were asked a specific question. Have you paid, or paid with you? fool
                1. Cheloveck
                  Cheloveck 4 July 2013 00: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: zennon
                  Take care with your own head! Are you breaking yourself into a very knowledgeable person? Why on earth do you blame a respected person for serving someone's interests? You were asked a specific question. Have you paid, or paid with you?

                  Eh hehe ...
                  I’ll tell you a terrible secret: I heard about this person for the first time today, so there’s nothing to respect him for me.
                  However, having familiarized himself with his biography, he found out that he did not pretend to be a scientist. TV presenter, naturalist, author of popular science films, extremely popular in Britain.
                  In addition, I found out that you lied a little, citing his estimate of the "optimal" population ... the Optimum Population Trust organization founded by him cites figures of 2,7 - 5,1 billion, by the way, emphasizing the complete speculation of the figures cited.
                  By the way, this organization exists through voluntary donations, which automatically excludes me personally from its sponsors, because, as you could understand (?), My opinion does not coincide with their goals.

                  PS Get to know the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, perhaps its goals will be even more vivid. lol

                  PPS It’s interesting, and if, for example, Yakubovich (also a popular presenter) would have called such a digital figure, would you have defended his innocence with the same passion?
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 4 July 2013 19: 50
                    0
                    I’ll tell you a terrible secret: I heard about this person for the first time today,

                    And was this enough to accuse him of serving someone else's interests?

                    In addition, I found out that you lied a little, citing his estimate of the "optimal" population ...,

                    I myself heard his interview with this statement.
                    It’s interesting, and if a digital figure were called, for example, by Yakubovich

                    I don’t know who you are talking about.
                    I did not receive an answer to my question.
                2. Iraclius
                  Iraclius 4 July 2013 09: 12
                  0
                  I apologize for breaking into the dialogue. But manipulating numbers is a common thing for Western, in particular, British science. Or recall the scandal about the forgery of statistics on supposedly progressing global warming?
                  In mid-November, 2009 unknown hackers posted on the Internet part of the working directory of a CRU employee (British research office), allegedly Ian Harris. So it became known that the local scientists are very free to use the source data, the mathematical model looks like ... but it doesn’t look like it, okay, and the methods of its software implementation and organization of work are worthless. Letters of climatologists quite deliver letters to each other in which methods of fraud and moral descent of opponents of the theory of global warming are discussed. But of most interest is the HARRY_READ_ME.TXT file, in which the CRU programmer (presumably Harris himself) maintains something like a protocol for researching climate modeling software that he was commissioned to bring to mind. Here is his quote:
                  "We are adding the squares of two numbers, why is it negative?"

                  Do you know how the theory of global warming correlates with the demographic problem? Do you know how the largest transnational corporations are tied to this? You got the hint right. wink
                  And you are British scientists, British scientists ... lol
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 4 July 2013 20: 01
                    0
                    Do you know how the theory of global warming correlates with the demographic problem? Know how the largest multinational corporations are tied to this?

                    Yes, in the course. EI du Pont de Nemours and Company, or rather, his leadership unleashed a huge company to describe the refrigerants of their competitors, in particular the freons. Allegedly, chlorine compounds destroy the ozone layer. But their freons contain bromine and not chlorine and ozone is not dangerous! But where does Attenborough have to do with it? Why are they all rushing under one comb?
    3. 225chay
      225chay 4 July 2013 08: 57
      0
      Quote: zennon
      Sir David Frederick Attenborough, one of the authorities in this area. TV presenter, scientist, critic believes that the optimal population of the planet should not exceed 2 billion. This is so.

      By the way, this David Attenborough is not a member of the "Committee of 300" who have a modest desire to reduce the world's population to 1 billion?
      We also have one TV presenter. Posner. "Scientist" critic, etc. Admirer of everything Western.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 4 July 2013 09: 21
        0
        There is no scientific method for calculating the exact amount of population that a planet can feed. All models are probabilistic in nature.
        Therefore, if a person declares from the screen that, say, only 2 billion, then look for selfish interest. Government, business, author - anyone. But the truth here does not smell. During fluctuations, the climate changes. It will become a little colder - giant territories will become fertile in the foreseeable future. Technology also does not stand still. Look at the kibbutzim in Israel, where huge desert plantations are irrigated with drip irrigation.
        The howl of overpopulation is being lifted by rich countries that are profitable to keep the countries of the third world on a short leash and starvation rations so that they get more and longer. Here you have the whole science with demography! request
        1. zennon
          zennon 4 July 2013 20: 19
          0
          Therefore, if a person declares from the screen that, say, only 2 billion, then look for selfish interest.

          So search! Find-provide facts. Very few, if at all, someone could do to popularize the natural sciences like Attenborough. As for 2 billion, he says that the planet can survive so much population without degradation, understand this !!! Essential exceeding this limit leads to the destruction of the biocenosis. It speaks of the responsibility of people for the planet!
          The howl of overpopulation is lifted by rich countries that are profitable to keep the countries of the third world on a short leash and starvation

          Here is my previous post word for word
          Only facts. Ethiopia 1974. Population 34 million. Continuing articles and programs on hunger and extinction. The USSR provides trucks and helicopters to carry mattress grain there. 1983-85. Hunger and extinction. 2013, population estimate 85 up to 93 million.

          Here you have the whole science with demography!
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  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 July 2013 19: 15
    +8
    Quote: Snake831
    You are a good person!

    Kind in principle .. (only two sons grow and I’m trying to invest a soul in them (and not only) the years leave for this .. and then they can just be killed .. demons undermining themselves .. (I would really like them to be military officers were .. pilots ..) The boys are growing smart and kind .. I’m for this ... these bearded .. I will break my teeth .. and everyone who wants to destroy Russia .. or even worse turn into slaves .. dumb .. too rude .. just introduced ..
    1. zennon
      zennon 3 July 2013 21: 10
      +2
      I’m for this ... these bearded ones .. I will tear my teeth .. and everyone who wants to destroy Russia .. or even worse turn into slaves .. stupid .. Sorry if too rude .. just presented ..

      Well done MIKHAN! They all said correctly, sorry if Mrs. fraternally ... ++++++++++++ hi
    2. Mikhail
      Mikhail 3 July 2013 21: 55
      +1
      You must have at least one more child. To increase byl.
  17. Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 3 July 2013 19: 28
    +6
    Quote: orff
    The question of deurbanization is on the agenda, because we have the main growth zone - Moscow and the region, the entire population is flocking here. Accordingly, entire territories are exposed - both in the Chinese border area, and in the Kaliningrad enclave, throughout Russia. This harmful practice leads to extinction. In addition, any urbanization zone negatively affects fertility. In Moscow, the birth rate will always be lower than, for example, in the republics of the North Caucasus, Altai and the Republic of Tuva. Therefore, it is necessary to look specifically at the policy of resettlement, to prevent the emergence of ethnic settlements, for Russia they are not useful when new migrants focus in one place and ethnic isolation occurs. It is important to prevent a chaotic influx into the growth zones - all of Russia should become a growth zone and a zone of calm, including interethnic. This cannot be achieved if we continue to indulge in intensive urbanization - we must deurbanize our largest country in the world.

    Gold words. I would act economically: I would tax the residents of Moscow and the Moscow Region with such taxes that it was not that people wanted to go to Moscow, but they started to leave it. Yes, and the opening of production is the maximum of benefits in undeveloped areas, and in Moscow the maximum of obstacles, housing construction in Moscow and the Moscow Region completely freeze.
    1. zennon
      zennon 3 July 2013 21: 12
      +2

      Gold words. I would act economically: I would tax the residents of Moscow and the Moscow Region with such taxes that it was not that people wanted to go to Moscow, but they started to leave it.

      But in the country there is a whole ministry of regional development ...
  18. rpek32
    rpek32 3 July 2013 19: 36
    +4
    What conclusion?
    Propagate and close the border. yes
  19. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 3 July 2013 21: 52
    +1
    Oh, very difficult question. With the modern "brain firmware" including the cult of consumption, lebiralism, democracy and permissiveness in the basic version, it is very difficult to please not only today's 7 lards, here they could cope with one gold, and then they cannot. Also, these billions of people must at least somehow contain, and this is a problem, well, or shove freedom of speech, etc. pribludy far away and honestly say that human life is nothing and each individual person does not represent anything of himself and no one except relatives needs nafig - but many will be offended. Therefore, the desire of some narrow circles to reduce the population is not justified - sorry for the fascist statements.
    On the other hand, I have always admired Tsiolkovsky's ideas and his views on the development of mankind. The Earth is only a kalybel, but alas, today the level of scientific and technological progress does not allow massive migration to space and to other planets. No offense, but you can't send much into space on "triple alliances". Yes, even if you send it, it is not profitable for those who are trying to own the world, they will not be able to own everything.
    It would be possible to play out an alternative model, to get away from the cult of consumption, keeping only the minimum needs for survival in certain climatic conditions. But this is really a "system flashing". There are some who go to live in the forests, villages, villages, there are even ideological ones, but they are called sectarians, because they too zealously grab onto the idea, but the bulk of people will never go for it, if only because figs who will change from Mercedes to Zhiguli, not to mention the rejection of all sorts of other at first glance gizmos.
    So there are wars on our land, Chinese and Indian distemper, pederasty and other abominations ((
  20. tomket
    tomket 3 July 2013 23: 09
    -1
    Academician Kapitsa shortly before his death pointed to the exact opposite paradox. Expectations of an increase in population have not come true lately. That is, humanity has reached its peak in numbers and then there are fluctuations, but there is no predicted growth. and in fact this problemma baffles science, since no one can say what it is connected with, nor can they put forward a coherent theory. So while overpopulation is at least slowed down. I will not say for sure whether Kapitsa’s words or someone else said, but it seems to be a harbinger of the extinction of mankind.
  21. fenix57
    fenix57 4 July 2013 02: 53
    +1
    Quote: aksakal
    And judging by the Russian publications on this subject, in Russia you are in a rage of brutal overpopulation

    You probably did not understand correctly, or the quotation marks were not printed in the publications. winked Russia is indeed in danger of overpopulation of migrants from the countries of Central Asia and China, that’s what you need to fight without delay! Let me rephrase: time-people (russian!) hi
  22. Jarik56
    Jarik56 4 July 2013 04: 36
    +1
    There are apparently fewer of them in Moscow. In Orenburg, we have them in abundance and behave disgustingly. Apartments are bought even in a mortgage !!! They drag their relatives, nobody wants to study (I'm talking about children), only those who were born before 91 years old understand the Russian language. District police officers (we have more than half of Kazakhs in the police force, especially in the lower ranks) are at one with them. So you need to drive them and not let them! And more: Ukrainians, Moldavians, Belarusians - they are Orthodox. And this is very important. It’s more pleasant for me to hear the ringing of the bell, but not the bismillah of Rahmani Rahim (I already learned it) :), but it’s easier with us.
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 July 2013 04: 52
      +4
      Your local government is messing around, to put it mildly, in Kazakhstan this is much stricter, so they are coming to you. In Ekibas it is very difficult to meet a person who does not speak Russian, and then this is most likely from abroad. I myself came across Czechs, Americans, Koreans (I was trying to ask for directions right on the street), Germans (I almost forgot these by myself). And if the child does not go to school, then the clan. Rights may be deprived, the school policeman will go every day.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 14 July 2013 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: Jarik56
      In our Orenburg ... Precinct (we have more than half of Kazakhs in the police force, especially in the lower ranks) ....

      1) Kazakhs - the indigenous population of the Orenburg region. Almost until the middle of the 18th century there were no Russians in the Orenburg region, but only Kazakhs, Tatars and Bashkirs. Orenburg was built at the request of the Kazakh Khan Abulkhayir on Kazakh soil. In addition, Orenburg is also the former capital of Kazakhstan.
      It is very strange that you do not know the history of your hometown.

      2) Kazakhs living in Russia (about 1 million people) - almost all the indigenous people (belt of regions from the Volga to Altai: Astrakhan, Orenburg, Omsk, Chelyabinsk regions, Altai Territory, etc.). Ethnic Kazakhs do not go to Russia for permanent residence, because Kazakhs believe that in the KZ conditions of life are better. But there are many Kazakhs from Russia going to Kazakhstan. I myself am a former Orenburger.

      3) Kazakhs in Russia usually work in two areas - agriculture and the army / Ministry of Internal Affairs. These are "traditional" professions for us. Yes, and frankly, Kazakhs are historically and mentally sharpened for these activities. Kazakhs serve in the Russian army and police - worthily. Many ethnic Orenburg Kazakhs have awards for Chechnya, having served in the Interior Ministry's Interior Ministry and the army. My father is a former deputy commander of the battalion of the Orenburg OMON (several dozen awards from the USSR, Russia, Kazakhstan, including "for the Caucasus"), my own uncle - he worked as an opera in Novotroitsk all his life, has a bunch of awards, including the Order of Courage, is an honorary resident of the Orenburg region ...

      4) I do not like Turkic speech and Islam in the Orenburg region - go to where your ancestors came to Orenburg from. This, of course, is Russia, but non-Russian land. To be surprised at the presence of Islam in Orenburg is like being surprised at the presence of Buddhism in Tibet. This is the indigenous religion of the area.

      ZY Do not forget that you are in Orenburg - a descendant of those who have come in large numbers.
  23. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 4 July 2013 07: 36
    +2
    The fact is that many countries give serious importance to the issue of their own resource independence and, instead of solving problems together, mankind solves them separately
    Yeah. shchaz, the problem of water shortage "together" with China to solve this is the turn of the Siberian rivers to the south, the main water pipeline Baika-Shanghai, etc. No, let's go separately.
  24. My address
    My address 4 July 2013 08: 47
    0
    I read a free article two days ago in the Free Press saying that there are more of us millions on 10. Easily believed. I come home from work, my wife tells me that there were scribes.
    - I didn’t find your passport right away, so they didn’t write you down.
    Just girls did not want extra work. Now, if they were paid according to the results, in Russia they stepped over 150 million.
  25. individual
    individual 4 July 2013 08: 48
    +1
    For Russia, artificial resettlement is unacceptable, and the natural should be limited only by qualified specialists.
    The selection and placement of arriving personnel should be handled by interested firms that require workers.
    The state should withdraw from hiring foreign workers and only monitor the implementation of the law.
  26. Stas
    Stas 4 July 2013 09: 37
    0
    Quote: sergaivenski
    Personally, I don’t believe in numbers a long time ago. Why? Our VTsIOMs fulfill orders of their owners. What do we see in reality? Drinking, drug addiction, moral degradation of a young person’s personality, lack of patriotism, etc. This list can be continued for a long time.
    The most interesting thing is that in small Pakistan the population is about the same as Russia — 144 million people.

    Then it will be interesting for you that the population of even smaller Bangladesh (according to the official census of Bangladesh in 2011 amounted to 142 million) - more than in all of Russia
  27. tomket
    tomket 4 July 2013 12: 20
    0
    People minus what for?))) Read the works of Kapitsa))) Do you like science and Academician Kapitsa?)))
  28. alan_07
    alan_07 4 July 2013 13: 07
    0
    Quote: orff
    It is even necessary for some period to close the internal regional borders, and make sure that the indigenous population participates in the development and prosperity of their region.

    It is necessary from the beginning:
    - eradicate corruption
    - to block the channels of financing "bearded hares"
    - send money allocated to the Republic of the Caucasus in the right direction, and not hang out in the pockets of the clan elite
    - provide jobs.
    Everyone wants at least five children, only the question: how will they grow up with such problems within the region.