In Kharkov, showed the first made for Thailand tank

Today at the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" presented the first serial tank "Oplot", manufactured under a contract with the army of Thailand.

The first serial "Oplot" was examined by the delegation of the Royal Thai Army led by the commander of the armored forces Bunsantin Sansavat, reports the own correspondent of LB.ua.

General Director of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies Sergey Gromov said that "this tank clearly demonstrates that Ukroboronprom is fulfilling its obligations to Thailand within the agreed timeframe."

According to him, the contract will be fully completed by the end of 2014.

Gromov also noted that the Ukrainian-Thai contract is fundamentally important for the country and for the Ukroboronprom group of companies, since “it loads the production capacity of Ukrainian enterprises and allows Ukraine to develop as the leading global manufacturer and exporter of military equipment”.

“I am confident that the Ukrainian tank will increase the combat readiness of the Royal Thai Army. The battle tank Oplot corresponds to all the world achievements in the military sphere, ”said the commander of the armored forces of the Royal Thai Army, Major General Bunsantin Sansavat, in turn.

Recall that in September 2011, between Ukrspetsexport Group of Companies and the Royal Thai Army operations department, a contract was signed to supply 49 units of the main combat unit to Thailand tank "Hold". The total value of the contract is about $ 200 million.

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[Phantom Revolution]

Beautiful, but overly flat t-90, the MC is more like in terms of design, that's the question why the machine gun is not automated?

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Beautiful, but overly flat t-90, the MC is more like in terms of design, that's the question why the machine gun is not automated?

This visual illusion is due to the side screens with remote sensing. There, on the turret and on the hull, DZ are completely hung.

[Trailer]

The tank is beautiful, but the question is for specialists: such pixel disguise, is it really better than traditional?

[Phantom Revolution]

The US Army admitted that the attempt to make universal camouflage turned out to be a complete failure. 5 billion dollars spent.

http://survivalandprosperity.com/2012/06/27/u-s-army-dumps-universal-camouflage-


pattern-ucp /

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2164686/How-U-S-Army-spent-5BILLION-fail


ed-pixel-camouflage - wanted-look-cooler-Marines.html

"Suddenly" it turned out that the new pixel camouflage is no better than the usual one, and in some cases it makes the object stand out on the ground. So far, the old MultiCam is being returned to the troops, but it will not be enough for everyone.

[cth; fyn]

As far as I remember, Multikam is a new-fashioned Amer’s pixel camouflage, and the old one is called either Woodland or Flora.

[Phantom Revolution]

A pixel is square dots; there are no cartoons.

PS right-click - open the image. To the left of the cartoons, to the right of the pixel.

[cth; fyn]

Well, then yes, the cartoons are not pixelated.

[leon-iv]

By the way, here's the photo, well, nifiga is not typical for woodland was sawn for Europe without dry foliage with a predominance of needles and podoeshka.

[Refund_SSSR]

The photo clearly demonstrates an incorrectly selected camouflage, and not the superiority of one over the other.
Or is the difference in tones not noticeable?

[LINX]

... As far as I remember Cartoons, this is a new-fashioned Amer’s pixel camouflage, and the old one is called either Woodland or Flora ....


Woodland, flora, olive, coyote - these are options for the color scheme

and a multicam and a number (for the US Armed Forces, an accent, for the ILC - marpathians, they are different even though both are in numbers) - these are variants of the camouflage pattern



the same woodland can be like cartoons and numbers

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Karavan

The tank is beautiful, but the question is for specialists: such pixel disguise, is it really better than traditional?

Only Thais can give an answer to your question - they ordered such a kam, no one imposed it on them!

[ATATA]

Something vague doubts torment me.
It seems to me that the tank is not just the first, but also the only one.
We signed the contract in 2011, the second half of 2013 was already in the yard. We need to finish the contract in 2014. Could the Thai people show how their tanks are assembled in the workshop, but they showed only one. It's not clear how that is.
They made one single Bastion in Kharkov and now they drag it everywhere.
Repainted and supposedly a new serial. Well, wait and see.

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

It seems to me that the tank is not just the first, but also the only one.

I like how people draw conclusions from a piece of material. In the photo in the workshop is a deuce, next to it is a triple. In the background 04,05 will be understaffed. In the workshops, to varying degrees of readiness, another 20 tanks. Until the end of the year, 15 more will be given to the Thais (a total of 20 this year).
I myself did not know until now, but yesterday I talked with the person who was at the presentation.
In addition. In order not to bother you. There’s a presentation unit in the sand camouflage.

[ATATA]

Well, if so.

[Apologet.Ru]

Good, yes, good, but what will happen to this and other orders (and whether they will be at all?) If Ukraine comes directly or God forbid - you, me - will enter the European same-sex family of people ?!

[dominatus]

It’s immediately obvious that you’ve never been to a factory. And, what is a conveyor is very vague.
Do you think that they do one thing, from the beginning to the end, then the second and so on?

The production of 1 tank takes about 1 year. If you follow your logic, then the contract should be fulfilled 50 years. Therefore, they begin to produce immediately, almost simultaneously dozens. First, the bodies are cooked, then the units are installed, etc.
As a result, the interval between cars leaving the assembly line is several days or weeks.

[Cynic]

Quote: dominatus

As a result, the interval between cars leaving the assembly line is several days or weeks.

Yes, yes.
Definitely _

Quote: dominatus

It is immediately clear that You never been at the factory. And, what is a conveyor is very vague.

Just information

assembly ... is carried out either on-line in the case of specialized enterprises with a significant volume of production, or at universal workplaces with a small volume of production ...

Yes, even

Quote: dominatus

The production of 1 tank takes about 1 year.

I can imagine what rzhach caused this your pearl.
Although if you count from the stage of ore mining for smelting metal going to the product or oil.
No, and it doesn’t work out that way!
And if a new car too!
I also want to say at the factory. On Malyshev, identity was not only, and in the assembly identity was!
I will not say anything about the current deadlines, otherwise there will be enough of the present Stakhanovites inHvart, they have not been given this!

"Where are you going, boy?
Where are you going?
Wouldn’t you go, Vanek,
Yes, the soldiers!

[dominatus]

Quote: Cynic

I can imagine what rzhach caused this your pearl.

I took data from a Discovery Channel documentary. Where the production of "Abrams" was described.

Good. How much time (in your opinion) does it take to create a 1st instance?

[dominatus]

I can imagine what rzhach caused this your pearl.

It looks like you know a lot more than the general designer.
According to him, 1 tank is made 15 months.

“Money for the construction of new tanks began to be transferred only from December 2009. Deputy Director for Marketing of the Malyshev Plant N. Belov reported:“ ... in December we received an advance payment - in the amount of 13% of the total amount. ”23 February 2010 The chief designer of the KMDB Yuri Busyak confirmed the existence of a state order, saying: “I can officially announce the receipt of a state order for the manufacture of the first 10 Oplot-M combat vehicles, which will be sent to the military formations of the Ground Forces.” The cost of one machine will be approximately 3,5, 4-3,3 million dollars (according to other sources 2011 million dollars). As you can see, work on the construction of "Oplotov M" began, but even with a successful coincidence, ten new tanks may appear in the Ukrainian Ground Forces not earlier, than in mid-15 (a tank's production cycle takes XNUMX months). "

http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T84/2/2.php


I gave you reasoned evidence.
I expect from you a similar proof of your statement.
You would not go to Vanek soldiers.

[Cynic]

Quote: dominatus

I gave you reasoned evidence.

Argue with the factory them. Malysheva, it’s somehow not with my hands, but ...
The production cycle, but most likely all the same the Production cycle, is _ The completed circle of production operations from the first to the last in the manufacture of the product.
You can imagine this cycle for 15 months, it is more than difficult for me.
Not one decade has been devoted to this production cycle.

Quote: dominatus

I expect from you a similar proof of your statement.

Maybe you can find data on the duration of tank production cycles on the net, I never did that. Why look up. when you already know.
Although fundamentally knowing the number of BTT by model in the Soviet Army, the year of their production, the number of factories producing them at a time can be estimated as the duration of this cycle.
By the way, it seems that someone has already sounded this figure.

Quote: Cynic

I will not say anything about the current deadlines, otherwise there will be enough of the present Stakhanovites inHvart, they have not been given this!

[dominatus]

Blah - blah - blah - blah.
And are these all your arguments? Everything is clear with you.

[Cynic]

Quote: dominatus

Blah - blah - blah - blah.
And are these all your arguments? Everything is clear with you.

And so they would immediately say and say. I don’t want to think.
I was always amazed when they start to prove something, referring to something someone said somewhere.
Sorry, but you have a technical background, do you work / worked in the military-industrial complex? Why do you believe words so unconditionally?
Hm especially words deputy marketing director , About Discovery as a source of reliable information in general I will not say anything.
Come on again

Quote: dominatus

As a result, the interval between cars leaving the assembly line is several days or weeks.

Your words ?
It’s just not necessary, about the fact that _ Before you assemble everything you need to prepare, the conversation is about the production cycle, and not about the preparation cycle for production!
I just feel that you are very far from knowledge of mechanical engineering technology and, once again, I don’t want to think at all.
Am I here to arrange an educational program on production technology and labor organization?
Above was a quote from a textbook

assembly ... is carried out either on-line in the case of specialized enterprises with a significant volume of production, or at universal workplaces with a small volume of production ...

Discover the secret of how you imagine the production cycle of a product lasting 15 months in this situation !!!
By the way
The black humor of the situation is that these words about 15 months may turn out to be true, but only regarding the real duration of the production cycle now.
I don’t know if Raikin’s sideshow is familiar to you, but apparently it reflects the essence of the current situation with the production cycle at the plant

Or

“Kripich“ bar ”- there is a brick, mortar“ ek ”- there is no solution. What to do? Make a smoke break »

[Avenger711]

Even Khlopotov congratulated them on his blog.

[Yuriwhite]

That's cool! Collect rubbish on the knee of the old (T-84, T-80, T-64 and so on) the same rubbish is unambiguous. I am ready to argue on the Henesi box that the contract will not be fulfilled!

[Akim]

Quote: YuriWhite

I am ready to argue on the Henesi box that the contract will not be fulfilled!

Will you give it back? Although if the box "Shabo" will also be good.

[ATATA]

Quote: Akim

Will you give it back? Although if the box "Shabo" will also be good.

And how are things with the Iraqi contract, tortured?

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

with the Iraqi contract, tortured?

Tormented. Soon another party will be handed over. There the contract is muddy. It turns out they collect cars for a penny. Still must remain to allies. That's why they are in no hurry. For Ana, the money went without stopping at intermediaries, as they have been done for a long time.

[Conepatus]

In that contract, the lion's share of the proceeds goes to the pin-up-owl intermediaries.
Or am I confusing something?

[Akim]

Quote: Conepatus

In that contract, the lion's share of the proceeds goes to the pin-up-owl intermediaries.
Or am I confusing something?

All is correct. Chetril from the United States received a third of the amount. In fact, for garbage, which is usually paid as 10%. Thanks Yusch !!!

[Avenger711]

That is, they threw them like suckers.

[Akim]

Quote: Avenger711

That is, they threw them like suckers.

It turns out - YES.

[Krilion]

side screens, spaced half a meter to the sides, will still haunt the Thais .... and sticking out a meter above the tower "barrel" with optics also delivers ... it will be interesting to know the opinion of Thais a year after the start of operation of this "miracle" in local jungle ...

[Akim]

Quote: Krilion

it will be interesting to know the opinion of Thais

Similarly.

[Wedmak]

side screens spaced half a meter to the sides,

Torn in tatters after the first march on the road.

[Arkan]

Quote: Wedmak

Torn in tatters after the first march on the road.

If these screens do not justify themselves in real-life conditions, they will simply be replaced. This is not part of the design, but just a hinged protection ...

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Wedmak

side screens spaced half a meter to the sides,

Torn in tatters after the first march on the road.

Do not tear - they are not glued to the rubber fabric base as on the T-72. Everything is a little more technological there.
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/idex2013/d4/?img=13.jpg.html

[dominatus]

Firstly, it is not optics, but a thermal imager, for aiming the gun at the heat of the engine in conditions of "0" visibility.
Secondly, smaller thermal imagers have not yet been created in the world.
Thirdly, on the latest modification of the latest Russian T-90 tank (on the T-90SM) there is a similar-sized thermal imager.
Do not believe me - look at the pictures of the T-90 CM

[Vtel]

Now it will be a stronghold for Thailand.

TTX T-84 "Oplot-M"
Combat weight, t 51,0
Crew, people. 3
Ground clearance, mm 470-500
Booking - multilayer armor combined, protivosnaryadny
Active Defense Warta
Dynamic protection built-in, "Doublet"
Armament:
- smoothbore gun 125 mm KBA-3
Ammunition guns 46 shells (28 of them in AZ)
- machine guns 1 x 12,7 mm CT, 1 x 7,62 mm CT
- ATGM "Combat"
Sights laser sight range finder 1G46M,
PTT-2 thermal imaging sighting system,
PNK-6 panoramic sighting system
Engine - 6TD-2E, diesel supercharged, max. power 1200 hp, at 2600 rpm
Highway speed, km / h 70
Cross country speed, km / h 40-45
Cruising on the highway, km 400 (500 with external tanks)
Cruising cross country, km 350 (450 with external tanks)
Specific power, l. s / t 24,7
Type of suspension individual torsion bar
Ground pressure, kg / cm 0,97
Gradeability, hail. 32 °
Breaking wall, m 0,8
Overcoming ditch, m 2,85
Walking ford, m 1,8 (5 with OPVT)

[dominatus]

to the above, it is necessary to add another one of the best in the world (in all respects superior to the Russian "Arena") KAZ "Zaslon".
Which detects and destroys even on approach to the tank any ammunition larger than a hand grenade.

[sashka]

Everything is just like ours. At least someone just can’t imagine .. And at the same time he praises and beat him in the chest with his fist. What we wow ..

[Avenger711]

We have supplies for ourselves, enough to live in the 90's.

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Sasha

Everything is just like ours. At least someone just can’t imagine .. And at the same time he praises and beat him in the chest with his fist. What we wow ..

Not everything, you have more money. Accordingly, it takes more to drink. In comparison with you, we have children with sweets.

[dominatus]

This allows you to maintain potential.
Thus, the Pakistani contract for the supply of T-80UD to Pakistan made it possible to create first "Oplot" and then "Oplot - M".

[cartridge]

I am tormented by vague doubts that even 200 million bucks is not the amount that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can revive ...
The proceeds will be enough for several months to maintain factory pants, and then if the powers that be do not stick to it ...
Although, of course, this is better than nothing!

[Wlad59]

The most important thought, in the last line!

[experienced]

Quote: cartridge

I am tormented by vague doubts that even 200 million bucks is not the amount that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can revive ...

Well, here, as they say: "Chicken grain by grain ..." Ukraine and Pakistan supplied, with Iraq a contract for armored personnel carriers, Kazakhstan ... So you are wrong
And the most important thing is to "stake out" the market for themselves, and then they will still want to, and then it will be possible to "raise money" on maintenance and modernization.

[Alexander D.]

Quote: cartridge

I am tormented by vague doubts that even 200 million bucks is not the amount that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can revive ...
The proceeds will be enough for several months to maintain factory pants, and then if the powers that be do not stick to it ...
Although, of course, this is better than nothing!

Here the effect is different - the restoration of mass production of tanks in Ukraine in general. For 12 years, Ukraine has completely lost the ability to mass-produce tanks. Thanks to this contract, in Kharkov, for the money of others, they launched mass production of tanks, as such. So far, our MO has not ordered tanks, because it was necessary to first set up the facilities of the enterprise. And so they did it for the money of others - now in the production process of 49 tanks it is possible to polish this process and collect orders from other countries.

[leon-iv]

And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.
And looking at the tempo of UVZ, it’s generally ruffling.

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.

By the way, I wonder where did the T-72BM 74 motorized rifle accidentally not in Azerbaijan?

Quote: leon-iv

looking at the tempo of UVZ so generally rukalitstso.

Well, yes there the state dough is not being measured, and the pace there is very inconsistent with the prices.

[leon-iv]

By the way, I wonder where did the T-72BM 74 motorized rifle accidentally not in Azerbaijan?

Rather, they set the Armenians. More logical. Yes, and T-72 at the storage bases of 100500.

Well, yes there the state dough is not being measured, and the pace there is very inconsistent with the prices.

And where does the foreign customer and state loot

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

Rather, they set the Armenians

Vryatli. Yes and outside they are 90 in one, and if you paint it beautifully.

Quote: leon-iv

And where does the foreign customer and state loot

For all that, the conveyor is the same as the workers, therefore the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.

[leon-iv]

from 90 one to one

um ????
Cheat BM with you from the 90th can not distinguish ???

, therefore, the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.

Why is it weak in the contracts? And the mechanic says that UVZ produces a lot more repairs in Omsk.

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

Cheat BM with you from the 90th can not distinguish ???

It’s very difficult from the distance and in the photo, especially if you have a little bit of fun in it.

Quote: leon-iv

Why is it weak in the contracts?

Quote: leon-iv

Yes, and the mechanic says that UVZ

The mechanic says that Armata is slowed down that UVZ does not have time to do the Indian contract. Somewhere even announced the figure of about 40 tanks per month, and this is in a cyclical production, which Kharkov can only dream of.

[leon-iv]

From the far and from the photo well it’s very difficult, especially if it is a little bit to fiddle. From the far and from the photo well it is very difficult, especially if it is a little bit to fiddle.

Uhm cheat? Are Azerbaijanis so stupid?

The mechanic says that Armata is slowed down that UVZ does not have time to do the Indian contract

Armata is still experimental, not serial. So if serial production will be slowed down by foreign orders then questions.

Somewhere he even announced the figure of about 40 tanks per month, and this is in a cyclical production, which Kharkov can only dream of.

Others give estimates of 70-80 per month with tension. But is he really needed now?
I’m not busy about Kharkov. The question is whether Oplot is needed by another customer. EMNIP this contract and with krazom was with the transfer of a number of technologies.

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

Uhm cheat? Are Azerbaijanis so stupid?

Who knows, probably not smarter than the Thais by whom their tanks pyiripil from Ud

Quote: leon-iv

then converted UD-shki

Quote: leon-iv

Armata is still experimental, not serial. So if serial production will be slowed down by foreign orders then questions.

And so what? They froze anyway.

Quote: leon-iv

Others give estimates of 70-80 per month with tension. But is he really needed now?

Who knows you, but Armata stands.

Quote: leon-iv

The question is whether Oplot is needed by another customer.

Time will tell.

Quote: leon-iv

EMNIP this contract and with krazom was with the transfer of a number of technologies.

Thailand will start the production of Krazov and bastions?

[leon-iv]

Who knows, probably not smarter than the Thais by whom their tanks pyiripil from Ud

um, how be and what's the point? If for a plant such a batch is made easily? But not too much?

And so what? They froze anyway.

Who is the armature? Emm! "No ;;% has the bath burned down? It's like a bum sawing a cart driving questions with BM

Thailand will start the production of Krazov and bastions?

Read a number of technologies, and Thais are now seriously investing in their defense industry.

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

um, how be and what's the point?

The meaning is many millions.

Quote: leon-iv

If for a plant such a batch is made easily?

Yes, it’s unlikely, especially considering the secrecy and duration of the contract.

Quote: leon-iv

Who is the armature? Erm! "No. ;;% the bathhouse burned out?

I didn’t understand what they wanted to say. But according to the mechanic, the work was frozen due to the Indian contract.

Quote: leon-iv

Read a number of technologies, and Thais are now seriously investing in their defense industry.

And? This is widespread practice - then what? How is the Russian Federation trying to make friends with Brazil? Now only underdeveloped countries take only finished products or do you disagree?

[evil hamster]

Ask yourself a couple of questions:
1.) what is the contract with the Indians, provided that they have long received all the finished tanks laid down under 2 contracts.
2.) how is any export contract Ural Wagon Factory on the production of serial T90, may interfere Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering to carry out OCD paid by the state under the SDO.

[Kars]

Well, these questions are not for me, but for the user with the nickname Mechanic do you know this?


And if you answer your two questions as you want, then Armata was frozen for a hundred so, for no reason. As for privacy, this is one laugh

Most read:

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Engine for "Armata"



Tank "Armata" will receive modern guns and fire control system

"Armata" - heavy armor for infantry

headlines from Vestik Mordovia)))
http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-5119.htm

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

Well, these questions are not for me, but for the user with the nickname Mechanic do you know this?

You believe everything that the Mechanic says - this is your right, only as a fact of his statement it is not necessary to bring.

Quote: Kars

And if you answer your two questions as you want, then Armata was frozen for a hundred so, for no reason. As for privacy, this is one laugh

And how is it known that it is frozen?

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

only as a fact of his statement it is not necessary to cite.

Do you have more reliable sources?

Quote: evil hamster

And how is it known that it is frozen?

So they will show at the exhibitions in the autumn as promised earlier?

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

Do you have more reliable sources?

Well, for example, Murakhovsky, the personality is quite public.

Quote: Kars

So they will show at the exhibitions in the autumn as promised earlier?

You have serious problems with logic, showing or not showing a prototype at an exhibition does not say anything about the state of the program, and certainly does not prove that the program is "frozen".

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

Well, for example, Murakhovsky, the personality is quite public.

And what did he say that?

Quote: evil hamster

You have serious problems with logic, showing or not showing a prototype at an exhibition does not say anything about the state of the program at all, and certainly does not prove that the program is "frozen"

Well, why - it just proves that the bahvalitsa is not ahead of time. And then the regime of secrecy and invisibility abruptly switches on.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

And what did he say that?

Well, to put it mildly, he does not confirm the "freezing" of the armata

Quote: Kars

Well, why - it just proves that the bahvalitsa is not ahead of time. And then the regime of secrecy and invisibility abruptly switches on.

And that is, you no longer insist that Armata is "frozen" and we will write it down.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

Well, to put it mildly, he does not confirm the "freezing" of the armata

Who would doubt it, but a person who is not public and sometimes at the factory is probably lying)))

Quote: evil hamster

And that is, on the fact that Armata is "frozen" you no longer insist and we will write

Where did I say that? A failure to show at the exhibition indirectly confirms the freezing.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

Who would doubt it, but a person who is not public and sometimes at the factory is probably lying)))

Yes, and you were there with him? can you confirm? what not surprisingly incidentally

Quote: Kars

Where did I say that? A failure to show at the exhibition indirectly confirms the freezing.

He does not confirm anything, with logic you still have a hard time.

[leon-iv]

The meaning is many millions.

Here xs for
1 at a batch factory the price is much lower
2 MOs are not fools either, although with UVZ they have Vasya
3 Normo Watches
Something like this

Yes, it’s unlikely, especially considering the secrecy and duration of the contract.

And here the nuance of the mechanic said that when he was at UVZ he saw tanks in a coloring similar to the Indians. Most likely it was not Bishmas but for Azerbaijan

I didn’t understand what they wanted to say. But according to the mechanic, the work was frozen due to the Indian contract

Armata not Serial for this there is a pilot production and 100500 people are not needed there. Even troubles (a bright lover of Putin and Almaty) confirms this. And Murakhovsky directly points to this.

do not you agree

No, for example, Swedes are underdeveloped?

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

1 at a batch factory the price is much lower

At UVZ lower? When the price increase every year? And than BU?

Quote: leon-iv

2 MOs are not fools either, although with UVZ they have Vasya

In proportion

Quote: leon-iv

3 Normo Watches

At a rem factory by conscripts and autogen. But painting at a stand in UVZ

Quote: leon-iv

Most likely it was not Bishmas but for Azerbaijan

So much torment) by the way how much has arrived?

Quote: leon-iv

Even troubles (a bright lover of Putin and Almaty) confirms this.

Khlopotov already says that they ruined it, the dates are so accurate.

Quote: leon-iv

No, for example, Swedes are underdeveloped?

And? Do they buy something for themselves and don’t take the technology? Or don’t remake it with their own? I heard about how the Swedes sawed Leopard 2 into Strv-122

[leon-iv]

At UVZ lower? When the price increase every year? And than BU?

So yes, the laws of economics have not been canceled

In proportion

And what's the point if you can do everything yourself?

At a rem factory by conscripts and autogen. But painting at a stand in UVZ

You apparently do not know what is happening now for similar in the army of the Russian Federation.

So much torment) by the way how much has arrived?

While they say baht want a regiment.

? do they buy something and don’t take technology?

Archer at the BAE.

[Kars]

Quote: leon-iv

So yes, the laws of economics have not been canceled

Well, yes, it’s cheaper than the new one, especially with constant price hikes.

Quote: leon-iv

And what's the point if you can do everything yourself?

You can do it, but sell it?

Quote: leon-iv

You apparently do not know what is happening now for similar in the army of the Russian Federation.

Serdyukov planted?

Quote: leon-iv

While they say baht want a regiment.

And the super-UVZ was so puffed that it slowed down Armata?

Quote: leon-iv

Archer at the BAE.

Artillery System Rcher or Archer - FH77BW L52 is an international project aimed at developing the next generation of Sweden and Norway's self-propelled artillery system
A howitzer was developed for the Swedish armed forces after a contract will be awarded to Bofors (now BAE Systems Bofors) in 2003 by the Forsvarets Materielverk (FM

Will you conclude?

[Kars]

_____________________

[Yarbay]

Quote: Kars

Yes, it’s unlikely, especially considering the secrecy and duration of the contract.

For two years, 94 tanks for this plant is a big problem ??
Moreover, apparently not all tanks are delivered yet !!

[Yarbay]

Quote: Kars

It’s very difficult from the distance and in the photo, especially if you have a little bit of fun in it.

Do you mean that the T-72 74 motorized rifle were converted to the T-90 for Azerbaijan?

[Kars]

Quote: Yarbay

Do you mean that the T-72 74 motorized rifle were converted to the T-90 for Azerbaijan?

I’m just a troll.))) but now we can say that there is such a rumor in Runet)))

Quote: leon-iv

And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Kars

I'm just a troll.))) n

Mlyn must be warned, and then the heart already almost stopped)))) There are some loots)))))))))))

[Kars]

________________

[cth; fyn]

Vryatli. Yes and outside they are from 90 one to one,

Well, only if you still replace the tower, because the T-72 from the 90th engine, KAZ and the tower by and large differs.

[Kars]

Quote: cth; fyn

KAZ

Maybe CEP?

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

Vryatli. Yes and outside they are 90 in one, and if you paint it beautifully.

Oh well, you don’t need to pull an owl on the globe, outwardly they are perfectly distinguishable at first sight.

Quote: Kars

For all that, the conveyor is the same as the workers, therefore the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.

The conveyor loaded is strictly proportional to the number of orders no more no less.
Uv. As you seem to be a completely objective person, but I'm glad for Kharkiv that they still rolled out commercial products, but it's silly to deny that the process is going very slowly. The contract was signed in September 2011, and in May 5 cars were to be handed over, and in fact 3 were shown at the end of June. I understand perfectly well that "rumors" for having drunk the first strongholds annoy you. But believe me, only commodity Strongholds in decent quantities will stop them, but your stupid trolling for Azerbaijani T90s will achieve nothing, except for unnecessary shit. Stop it.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

externally they are perfectly distinguishable at first sight.

Yes, not really.

Quote: evil hamster

The conveyor loaded is strictly proportional to the number of orders no more no less.

Did they tell you with UVZ?

Quote: evil hamster

The contract was signed in September 2011, and in May 5 cars were to be handed over, and in fact they showed 3 pieces in late June

and what? Thais pritenzy not present.

Quote: evil hamster

I understand perfectly well that the "rumors"

According to rumors from Gurk Khan, the contract has already been canceled twice and reoriented to UVZ products

Quote: evil hamster

but your stupid trolling for Azerbaijani T90 will achieve nothing but unnecessary srach. Tie it up

And I like it, especially since I’m not going to achieve anything in principle.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

Yes, not really.

Yes, absolutely

Quote: Kars

Did they tell you with UVZ?

And there may be other options, do they work at the warehouse?

Quote: Kars

And I like it, especially since I’m not going to achieve anything in principle.

Stupidly jumble? Well then, I have no questions.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

Yes, absolutely

Made fun of

Quote: evil hamster

there may be other options, do they work at the warehouse?

Options can always be

Quote: evil hamster

Stupidly jumble? Well then, I have no questions

your right.

Quote: leon-iv

And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.

)))))))))))) what am I worse?

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

Made fun of

Laughter for no reason ... well then you know

Quote: Kars

Options can always be

It should be understood that you don’t have anything specific, just roll on the UVZ racially right?

Quote: Kars

your right.

Thank you, I am in the know

Quote: Kars

)))))))))))) what am I worse?

I thought you were better, but apparently wrong.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

Laughter for no reason ... well then you know

The reason you gave me

Quote: evil hamster

Thank you, I am in the know

please

Quote: evil hamster

I thought you were better, but apparently wrong

Strange this is not our first meeting))) and I do not pretend and never did. I even registered it in my profile.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

The reason you gave me

no, I didn’t

Quote: Kars

Strange this is not our first meeting))) and I do not pretend and never did. I even registered it in my profile.

I'll take it into account

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

no, I didn’t

They did it, but you can not admit it.

Quote: evil hamster

I'll take it into account

your personal

[Kars]

Please say hello to Kars!
Ask him why he blacklisted me?
And ask him how his Soviet tankman fits in the avatar (if he has not changed it yet) with his desire that his son should serve no further than 5 km from his parents' house and not in hot spots? I would be in his place in such a situation in the worldview, instead of a Soviet tanker, I would put a chamomile field or a beer in the avatar.
I would be grateful if you help in communication

I don’t like you, and your comments too.

As a match with an avatar ---- the USSR was a tank empire. Impact on BEAL. And do not climb my worldview.

I would be grateful if you mention me more and you will not address me.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

They did it, but you can not admit it.

This is your personal opinion, so I have nothing to recognize or not recognize.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

This is your personal opinion, so I have nothing to recognize or not recognize.

I am quite happy with my personal opinion. And you can already make a face with a brick, your personal problems. But thank you for laughing.

[evil hamster]

Yes, no, it’s your personal problems; the inability to distinguish the T72B of 89 from the T90CA. And yet, yes, in the picture you provided, not T72B (m), but T72BA, you can laugh further you are our merry fellow.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

Yes, no, it’s your personal problems; the inability to distinguish the T72B of 89 from the T90CA

That you are not only angry, but also a short-haired hamster)))

And not B and BM))) and not not from the SA but from the T-90, and indeed on A there is no problem to weld the cheekbones onto the tower.

Quote: evil hamster

and T72BA, you can laugh further fun you are ours

How do you outwardly distinguish BA from BM? And there is no fundamental difference. And I can laugh with you, in principle, starting with a nickname and ending with your fantasies.

[evil hamster]

Quote: Kars

And not B but BM)))

There is no such index.

Quote: Kars

and not not from SA but from T-90

About how, but the Azerbaijanis know that.

Quote: Kars

Yes, however, and on A the problem of cheekbones on the tower is welded.

You rave, consult a doctor

Quote: Kars

How do you distinguish BA from BM

Elementary, look at the tracks, og.

Quote: Kars

And I can laugh with you, in principle, starting with a nickname and ending with your fantasies.

I say laughter for no reason, and yet only you have imagination.

[Kars]

Quote: evil hamster

There is no such index.

Really.

Quote: evil hamster

About how, but the Azerbaijanis know that.

What? What are the different models of the T-90

Quote: evil hamster

You rave, consult a doctor

Do you really think so difficult? Welding machine and metal, then putty and paint over))))

Quote: evil hamster

Elementary, look at the tracks, og.

It was strange at first they said that there is no such modification, but now you can distinguish between the tracks)) and this is in one comment))) at least their easiest to rearrange. And there are old T-72s and new ones similar to T-80s

Quote: evil hamster

I say laughter for no reason, and yet only you have imagination.

Oh well, look at your fantasy Evil Hamster))))

[ATATA]

Please say hello to Kars!
Ask him why he blacklisted me?
And ask him how his Soviet tankman fits in the avatar (if he has not changed it yet) with his desire that his son should serve no further than 5 km from his parents' house and not in hot spots? I would be in his place in such a situation in the worldview, instead of a Soviet tanker, I would put a chamomile field or a beer in the avatar.
I would be grateful if you help in communication.

[experienced]

Quote: ATATA

I would be grateful if you help in communication.

Alexey, I am not tired of being amazed. First, you "screw up" yourself and get the person out so that in order to preserve his nerves, he brings you into an emergency and this is where the calls begin.
Your message to the forum users is still normal, although illogical, but you have to meet someone like that ... I’m blacklisted, I’m told him ... and then him and all of him ... including pets ...
When they communicate normally, no one will bring them into the emergency situation, but nobody needs a haemorrhoids with insults and trolling
Well, knowing Kars for a long time and reading his battles ... It is difficult to bring him out so that he "boils"

[ATATA]

Quote: seasoned

but you had to meet someone like that ... this is me on the black list, but I told him ... and then him and all of him ... including pets ...

Quote: seasoned

When they communicate normally, no one will bring them into the emergency situation, but nobody needs a haemorrhoids with insults and trolling

It seems that he did not troll and did not insult?
Tell Kars that I respect him very much, although I do not agree with him in everything.
Well, sorry if that.

[ATATA]

Quote: ATATA

It seems that he did not troll and did not insult?
Tell Kars that I respect him very much, although I do not agree with him in everything.
Well, sorry if that.

Well, who and what for my comment put a minus ?!
Answer the unknown ?!
Just say a word ?!

[Kars]

Quote: seasoned

and ... It is difficult to bring him out so that he "boils"

Come on, a person does not recognize such a nationality as a Ukrainian and countries like Ukraine. I’m not going to re-educate and prove everything.

Thank you for attention.

[Vilor]

Sorry for repeating from the last topic, but could you answer my last question: I don't understand any more what kind of nonsense are you talking about? We have a guy from Ukraine, he has parents and sisters there. Every month they send their ENTIRE salary there. He does not walk or shout that he is from Ukraine and he is the longest. Everything, etc. He has never retreated and he is an excellent scout. I'm already tired of hearing about the division of our peoples. I consider us fraternal peoples. Tired of hearing talk about the USSR, everything was bad there, everything was done badly, etc. Then I have a rac proposal, since most of those who speak badly about the Union were born (made) in the Union, let them shoot themselves. After all, they were born in the USSR, and there, what they did not do, then everything is bad and it must be destroyed. Let them show by personal example how to get rid of the "Soviet past". Kharkov armored, I think, the same not only Ukrainians built and many other things in Ukraine. So let's raze everything to the ground, the damned built it, or rather the whole Soviet People built it. Let's take it down? How do you like the offer? Do you really see the columns of Russian armored vehicles heading towards Kiev? I hope my impression of you is wrong, but so far I read the opposite in your comments. Why can't our countries live in peace? Is it necessary to measure who is longer? There below 'Nevsky' writes very well, read it, quite interesting. Sorry for the harshness, this is from misunderstanding.

[ATATA]

Quote: Vilor

Sorry for the harshness, this is from a misunderstanding.

Did you all address this to me?
I’m just interested in clarifying the need for further dialogue.

[Vilor]

No it's Kars

[Kars]

Quote: Vilor

Sorry for repeating from a previous topic, but could you answer my last question

What do I have to do with it?

Quote: Vilor

Kharkov armored, I think, the same Ukrainians were not the only ones who built and much more in Ukraine. So let us all raze the earth, it’s the damned built, or rather built by the entire Soviet people. Let's tear it down?

And? Bam people from Ukraine did not build? Magnitogorsk? UVZ the same

Quote: Vilor

Below, 'Nevsky' writes very well, read it, quite interesting. Sorry for the harshness, this is from misunderstanding

Nevsky, too, read in the West if it honestly isn’t worse than a werewolf - then he now sprinkles his head with orange ash from extreme to extreme

Quote: Vilor

Why can not live in peace in our countries?

live i'm disturbing you

[Vilor]

Then why are you writing, let's say not very well, about us? Either T-90, or about Crimea and eastern Ukraine, they wrote, about the fact that We threaten to take them, or what .. Why? I am here recently, but all the less everyone here says that this is a Military-Patriotic site, and a Russian one. And I constantly read your sarcasm and irony about the Russian army. What's the point? Just? As in the old joke, 'let the neighbor's cow die next time'? What for? Are you an ardent nationalist?

[Kars]

Quote: Vilor

Then why write, so to speak, not very well, about us?

And why do others write VERY not good about US?

Quote: Vilor

That t-90

On the T-90, everything is completely objective, and my opinion is supported even by people with the flag of the Russian Federation near the nickname.

Quote: Vilor

T-90, they wrote about Crimea with eastern Ukraine, about the fact that we threaten to pick them up, or something ..

And what do not threaten? How many comments with .. Turn the Crimea ...

Quote: Vilor

I’ve been here recently, but all the less here everyone says that this is a Military Patriotic site, and moreover, Russian

You don’t like criticism? And the site turns into a geopolitical garbage dump.

Quote: Vilor

And I constantly read your sarcasm and irony about the Russian army.

Do not read, there is a Black List function. And read what they comment on in articles about the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Quote: Vilor

What's the point? Just?

just like that, and the cow has nothing to do with it.

Quote: Vilor

What for? Are you an ardent nationalist?

What do you mean by a Nationalist? Do you personally have something against your nationality? And why should the others also be? And I just have a patriotic attitude towards my country. I don’t have another. As for the ardent, after reading these comments I began to understand our ultra much better right, even though I'm not with them.

[Vilor]

Okay, I get it. Conversation of the deaf with the dumb. No offense, but largely thanks to opinions like yours, People are beginning to think Ukraine separately, Russia separately. Although as history has already proved more than once, almost everyone immediately runs for help to Russia. Well, since you began to understand your 'rightists' more, then I just watched 'Brother' and 'Brother-2' on TV the day before yesterday, I hope you remember what is there about Sevatopol, etc. spoke. When I go to the zoo and a monkey makes faces at me, I don’t start grimacing back at her. If fascist Germany was a very well-developed country, then I did not begin to understand that fascism is good. I am exaggerating, of course, but you are being ironic. Further conversation is meaningless. But I consider Ukraine a fraternal people, no matter who says anything. Good luck

[Kars]

Quote: Vilor

Okay, I get it. Conversation of the deaf with dumb

What am I doing here? Did I answer your questions?

Quote: Vilor

People start thinking Ukraine separately, Russia separately

But it is. The USSR is not, and that there is wild capitalism there.

Quote: Vilor

Although history has proved more than once, just a little, everyone immediately runs to Russia for help

and what? a little that in the near future is not foreseen.

Quote: Vilor

If fascist Germany was a very well developed country, then I did not begin to understand that fascism is good

Remember to turn the other cheek. And you don’t have to drag in National Sociolism.

Quote: Vilor

Further conversation makes no sense

lna and immediately if honestly had.

Quote: Vilor

But I consider Ukraine a fraternal people, no matter what they say

Think, just what will it give? As soon as (God forbid) we join the Russian Federation in three seconds it will start - crawled, starved, and so on)))

[Vilor]

Your answers are not logical and not consistent. And then there is constructive criticism and dibilism-mockery. If one of our subgroups did not work very well, then We do not begin to push it to the fullest, but we try to understand the problems. And pouring your stream of dirt, a big mind is not required. And since you say "God forbid" to join Russia, then you will forget the Russian language and do not write your statements on the RUSSIAN military-patriotic site.

[Kars]

Quote: Vilor

Your answers are not logical and not consistent.

Why did you decide so and why do you consider yourself logical and consistent.

Quote: Vilor

And since you say 'God forbid' to join Russia, then you will forget the Russian language and do not write your statements on the RUSSIAN military-patriotic website

Sorry, they taught me the Russian language under the USSR, and this is not your exclusive property.

So prohibit non-Russian users from entering it, and cook in your own vacuum - though you probably won’t have rest there, dissent is not a criminal offense, but it may well become yours soon.

[Vilor]

Once again, constructive criticism and dibilism-mockery are two different things. So do not talk about dissent. And if you have a Soviet education, then why talk so negatively about Russia. I have no desire to go to the Ukrainian forum, to say that they are all mugs (dismissively arrogant tone). And you, I see such a desire.

[Kars]

Quote: Vilor

Once again, constructive criticism and dibilism-mockery,

I repeat once again why you are not dibi ... l?

Quote: Vilor

And if you have a Soviet education, then why talk so negatively about Russia.

Until the 2nd grade, and Russia is not the USSR, and I do not say anything objective or invented.

Quote: Vilor

. I have no desire to go to the Ukrainian forum, to say that they are all mugs (dismissively arrogant tone). And you, I see such a desire.

Stop by
And I on this site longer than he began to turn into a political trash, where almost every day derogatory articles about Ukraine. By the way, why is there so much Ukraine on the patriotic site of the Russian Federation? Are you trying to raise a sense of self-worth? What would anyone be so arrogant and dismissive of sympathy?)) )

[Cynic]

Quote: Kars

Why is there so much Ukraine on the patriotic site of the Russian Federation? Are you trying to raise a sense of self-worth? What would be someone who was arrogantly dismissive of sympathy?)))

Or maybe a person / humans mother-in-law / mother-in-law of the Ukrainian here come off!
Seriously, jealousy is more likely to play. 80 lives and develops in Ukraine (or in?), But here ...

[MG42]

Quote: seasoned

It is difficult to bring it out so that it "boils"

Ask what is his first warning?

Quote: ATATA

Ask him why he blacklisted me?

Not you are the only one .. I, too ..

[experienced]

Quote: MG42

Ask what is his first warning?

This is not interesting to me. He talked a lot with him, a patriot of Ukraine in the normal sense of the word, I respect such people, regardless of their nationality. He is a good specialist in armored vehicles, it is clear that he has a good store of knowledge and strives to follow the news
I don’t remember my warnings and bans, but you suggest strangers to track me

Quote: MG42

Quote: ATATA
Ask him why he blacklisted me?
Not you are the only one .. I, too ..

Get ready for the "distressed Kars" movement

[MG42]

I don’t see any problem in emergencies, only the list of functions is very short. There are 2 forum users and that’s all. I won’t bring in anyone else.

Quote: seasoned

I don’t remember my warnings and bans,

Alexey, "fortunophile" and "traveler", weren't you by chance?

Quote: seasoned

You suggest strangers to track me

I’m not suggesting anything = anyone can lose it >>> no need to talk about perfect calmness ..

[experienced]

Quote: MG42

Alexey, "fortunophile" and "traveler", weren't you by chance?

Well, there were enough nicknames I won’t mention everyone, but the ones you mentioned were in my story ...

[ATATA]

Quote: MG42

Alexey, "fortunophile" and "traveler", weren't you by chance?

Is that a question for me?
Just in case, I’ll answer, not me.

[ATATA]

Quote: seasoned

Get ready for the "distressed Kars" movement

Yes, this is not that grief, it is some kind of misunderstanding.
ps
Well, how can I internally recognize the so-called Ukraine within the borders that exist now that half of the people speak and think Russian?
The circus left, but the clowns remained?

[experienced]

Quote: ATATA

Well, and how can I internally recognize the so-called Ukraine within the borders that exist now that half of the people speak and think Russian? The circus left, but the clowns remained?

Well, you see, you still do not understand why Andrey brought you into an emergency, but ask him to resume communication. If my country was called "so-called Russia" I would also not want to communicate with such ... You can scold the government of Ukraine, the actions of the president, but respect the country and the people who live in it. Offending someone, position it on yourself, how would you like these words in relation to your country
I tie everything with educational program,

[ATATA]

Quote: seasoned

If my country was called "so-called Russia"

And there are grounds for saying so?
Let him justify, I will listen and if I argue with what.
Ukraine? State?
Experienced!!! when did you return from the moon !?
But what about common sense?
From whom are 50% of the inhabitants of Ukraine independent, from themselves ?!
50% of Ukrainians are Russians and I should calmly watch how they solder their brains?
The USSR staged a famine, and who drew the borders of Ukraine ?!
Well, excuse me, I have the right to boil!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ATATA

From whom are 50% of the inhabitants of Ukraine independent, from themselves ?!

From own government

[MG42]

Quote: Kars

I have Goebbels and Skorzeny in emergency situations)

Go oversleep, maybe Himmler will dream more , when there is nothing to say in response, the song about the scythe of death begins, it’s like a hammer and sickle on the avatar of an OUN-UPA fighter .. creating your own alternative circle of interest in VO with the help of an emergency.

[MG42]

Quote: Kars

But you have nothing to say to me, but your nickname is praising Mashinger 42 and you will not turn your back on him))

not praise = this time .. there is no one post ..
I called it as I have it, I have every right = it's two, because it's just a piece of iron ..
machine gun through the dash is written, you are tired of hammering = it's three ..
So how many are on your list? thirty? 30? or 40? I have 50, you at the honorable 1st place..
What kind of interest in the user "Kars", but actually no already, I can remove you from the emergency.
For beginners, the use of emergency situations is so that people like you do not beat them with minuses ..

Quote: Kars

http://topwar.ru/user/Bormann/

I didn’t even know about such a banned character, why do you collect them for what purpose? If you figure out who has logged them in, the traces remain ..

[MG42]

P \ S and you can troll your login, its meaning is probably covered by reading <Kars> in reverse order ..
Bye Bye..

[MG42]

Quote: Kars

if you make four mistakes in the word bread, you will get BEER)

Self-critical, however you pretend about grammar, you write without errors, do not consider that you are the smartest
About the ban. so you're not an admin, don’t spread your fingers, Kars ..
And you have already hung the picture, do not repeat yourself, you have Hitler, Bandera and Shukhevych in the "red corner", roll your tanks on the parquet, it may feel better.
Once again, buy by ..

[MG42]

Quote: Kars

I pretend to be wrong about mistakes)))))

Yes. Because when you started to write without them, when a woman gives birth = she screams in her native language <17 moments of spring>

Quote: Kars

So I only offer)

Especially if you figure out who logged in Bormann,

Quote: Kars

In the red corner I have a Tank Helmet

Like this helmet ..

Quote: Kars

And you repeat goodbye))))

I agree.

[Kars]

MG42 UA Today, 14:20 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
I don’t see any problem in emergencies, only the list of functions is very short. There are 2 forum users and that’s all. I won’t bring in anyone else.

I have a long list --- but I only miss the professor (who brought me up), Bad_gr, stas57 And by the way, what kind of interest is it to my person from the user with the nickname of Scythe of Death, he’s an MG-42 machine gun, I have Goebbels and Skorzeny))))

[Kars]

MG42 UA Today, 15:03 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
Quote: Kars
I have Goebbels and Skorzeny in emergency situations)
Go oversleep, maybe Himmler will even have a laugh, when there is nothing to say in response, the song about the scythe of death begins, it's like a sickle and a hammer on the avatar of an OUN-UP soldier .. creating your own alternative circle of interest in VO with the help of emergency situations ..

And you have nothing to say to me, but your nickname is praising Mashingever 42 and you will not turn your back on him))) by the way, I’m next to you
http://topwar.ru/user/Bormann/

As for the emergency, this is for the administration, I did not ask him to do it))) but if there are any people like you I will determine there.

[Kars]

MG42 UA Today, 16:06 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
P \ S and you can troll your login, its meaning is probably covered by reading <Kars> in reverse order ..
Bye Bye..

if you make four mistakes in the word bread, you will get BEER)))) But for your nickname you have to mercilessly ban)) and I didn’t get sick with you, and I’m not going to pratsatsa either))))

Pictures on request in Google)))) MG42

[Kars]

MG42 UA Today, 16:32 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
Quote: Kars
if you make four mistakes in the word bread, you will get BEER)
Self-critical, however you pretend about grammar, you write without errors, do not consider that you are the smartest wink
About the ban. so you're not an admin, don’t spread your fingers, Kars ..
And you have already hung the picture, do not repeat yourself, you have Hitler, Bandera and Shukhevych in the "red corner", roll your tanks on the parquet, it may feel better.
Once again, buy by ..

I pretend to be wrong about mistakes)))))


So I only suggest))) but maybe there are sane people)))

In the red corner I have a Tank Helmet, but don’t ascribe to me your Hitler, it’s not for nothing that you yourself are such a ... talking .. guy.

And you repeat goodbye))))

[Kars]

MG42 UA Today, 17:27 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
Quote: Kars
I pretend to be wrong about mistakes)))))
Yes. Because when you started to write without them, when a woman gives birth = she screams in her native language <17 moments of spring>
Quote: Kars

So I only offer)
Especially if you figure out who logged in Bormann, bully
Quote: Kars

In the red corner I have a Tank Helmet
Like this helmet ..


Okay, you want it, believe it or not, but your conclusions about mistakes and my spelling are not correct at all)))) Although I personally am sorry.

And are you not afraid that your multi-accounts will burn?


I will take a helmet if they give me a present.

[itkul]

Quote: MG42

You are not the only one .. I, too.

Yes, as would I, too, although I don’t know who the car is, but I don’t see any comments

[sashka]

Quote: Kars

For all that, the conveyor is the same as the workers, therefore the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.

You won’t build much with lawyers and economists .. The rates will fall from year to year. Retirees leave and there are simply no new hard workers. They destroyed not only the Army and Education. Why didn’t I like the vocational school ???

[Avenger711]

Well, Ukraine itself has not been able to produce anything for a long time, that’s the T-80.

[Yemelya]

Quote: leon-iv

And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.

It would be, by the way, very logical if that were done.
Why would Ukraine need a combat vehicle in the amount of 10 (or 6, if the 4 T-84s that went to the USA were from the Ukrainian Armed Forces) units with uncertain prospects for further production?

[Eric]

Quote: Karavan

The tank is beautiful, but the question is for specialists: such pixel disguise, is it really better than traditional?

Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Eric

Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.

[Alexander-Tomsk]

Quote: Eric

Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.

Excuse me, it's green! In the front gardens and flowerbeds will it be disguised?

[Cat]

And for playing MineCraft is very suitable

[ATATA]

Quote: Eric

Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.

Here is an example of pointless minus. A person is not a specialist, a technical question, not an ideological one. Here you can be wrong. Point out the error, explain if you know more.
Why are you negative?
Do you consider yourself the smartest? But I think it's stupid!
You understand everything like a pro, what are you commenting on?
Marshal Vladimirimets, you greatly disappointed me.
In the Soviet school, we were taught to help the weak, and not to lower them in the minus.
I minus the same, but only ideological opponents.
Man to man is a wolf?

[Cat]

Alexey, the claim is not for me. In general, I never minus anyone - this is a principled position. But stupid is to answer questions that the commentator does not understand. Just pleased about the right angles and square architecture.

[ATATA]

Quote: Gato

But stupid is to answer questions that the commentator does not understand.

I think that our (with permission) site is military patriotic.
Almost all patriots here, but there are not many specialists in the military.
And if a person made a mistake, correct him, cheer up and tomorrow he will help you, and if in the negative of him, then who will cover your back in battle the day after tomorrow?
We must help each other. I mean the patriots of Russia.
ps And Little Russia / Ukraine is the same.
"The Russian-Ukrainian border, this is the Russian Berlin wall" (C)

[Vladimirets]

Quote: ATATA

Man to man is a wolf?

You do not have to judge people by your avatar.

Quote: ATATA

Why are you negative?
Do you consider yourself the smartest? But I think it's stupid!
You understand everything like a pro, what are you commenting on?
Marshal Vladimirimets, you greatly disappointed me.

In general, the question was for the "specialists", the person categorically explains what such camouflage is for, and this made me happy. I am not the most professional in this matter and also wanted to listen to experts, but since there is no one, I will try.
In general, such a camouflage was developed by amers in the early 80s, it is believed that such a pixel coloring blurs the contours of a camouflaged object in the best way. There is a myth that an object in such camouflage is more difficult to see in NVG. I tried to look at a person in "digital" in the NVG, there are no special differences from ordinary camouflages. The prototype of this color, apparently, are ships before and during WWII, when they were painted with chaotic geometric shapes of different colors (mainly white, gray and black) blurring the silhouette of the ship against the background of the coast. The use of such camouflage on the shown tank, in my opinion, does not carry any sacred meaning and is just a tribute to fashion and a hint at the modernity of development.
And as for the disappointment, well, divorce and maiden name.

[ATATA]

Quote: Vladimirets

. I am not the most pro in this matter and also wanted to listen to the experts, but since there is nobody there, I will try.

This was what we had to start with.

[chauvinist]

The right direction was chosen by the Ukrainians, they are modernizing a good T-80 tank. Too bad the devils from UVZ ruined the object 195

[cdrt]

The dual impression.
On the one hand, the T-80 is probably the pinnacle of the development of Soviet tank building (I don’t know if this applies to the T-80UD - the answer probably depends on the nationality of the responder ).
On the other hand, I recall the opinion of one of the participants in Murakhovsky - who served on them: the tank is not for war, but for peacetime.
And one of the tankers was still a SA: it’s good that the T-72 did, otherwise the T-62 would have cost.
Accordingly, the Bastions are all - the modernization of the T-80 is certainly good, but apparently not for a real war.

Although - sincere congratulations to the factory workers - Well done.

[cth; fyn]

Yes, the T-80 is an expensive and complex tank, unlike the T-72, which can be assembled on the Wagonmash, but it is much better. The T-80 is a more maneuverable and high-speed tank, has the best SLAs, and the T-72 is the T-34’s heir, unpretentious, cheap (relatively cheap), simple tank.

[chauvinist]

The Zerg Rush concept is outdated, T-72s have absolutely all Western counterparts.

[ATATA]

Quote: chauvinist

The Zerg Rush concept is outdated, T-72s have absolutely all Western counterparts.

Specify what do you mean specifically?
I completely did not understand the meaning of your phrase!

[crush]

one tank in 3 years :) Anyway, we will knock out the invaders from the Russian Crimea. Better in an amicable way, Ukrainians, get out of the Crimea. Otherwise, we will cut you out

[chauvinist]

Fecal masses in you do not give rest?

[3dmaxsev]

The provocateur troll whom you are planning to slaughter in the Crimea is where the majority of the population is Russian, although I think most Ukrainians are Russian. Question to the administration, for such a provocation banyat?

[ded10041948]

I don’t know how it is now, but before the Malaysians did not do hack work! Let's hope that the tradition is preserved and another plant can be saved.

[Akim]

Photo taken from the Kharkov video. BMPV-55 and BMPT-64. Thais are offered to do this with their M48.

[beer brewing]

Question to experts: And with whom was Thailand going to fight?

[experienced]

Quote: brewspusonelise

And who was going to fight Thailand?

They have "graters" with Cambodia, and in general Gaddafi was not going to fight with anyone either, he was friends with Berlusconi and Sarkozy, he gave them money, he developed the Libyan economy ...

[self-propelled]

Quote: brewspusonelise

And who was going to fight Thailand?

Si vis pacem, bellum for
(want peace, get ready for war)

[Alexander D.]

Quote: brewspusonelise

Question to experts: And with whom was Thailand going to fight?

There, what is Korea alone worth !!! And in general, weapons are not bought in order to fight, but in order not to want to fight with you.
Quote:

I’m not afraid of a man who needs ten atomic bombs, I’m afraid of the one who needs only one!

[leon-iv]

Mdya honestly glad for ordinary workers very much. They even have a job.
According to the sabzh tank, the paper's ambiguous performance is pretty good. As will be in reality time will tell. More precisely, it will really be possible to judge a tank when it runs intensively with Thais for 2-3 years.

[bremest]

On the basis of the T-80, something bad cannot happen .....

[cth; fyn]

What can I say - well done, live moving.

[Kowalsky]

How tired of it. Another high-tech weapon, even the best in the world, but not for Ukraine, but for another country. It's just a shame. Not the designers, of course, a shame, but this *** full-time power. To supply others with things for which they have no money. Well, I don’t believe that it’s impossible to find funds to buy a couple of hundred "Bulats" or even "Oplots". It is scary to imagine the scale of theft from all possible budgets.

[itkul]

Quote: Kowalsky

Well, I don’t believe that it’s impossible to find funds to purchase a couple of hundred "Bulats" or even "Oplots"

Why should Ukraine have an army at all, but Russia gave you security guarantees for refusing to use nuclear weapons. Belarus sold its planes and deployed a Russian air base, and you still have our base in Sevastopol

[Akim]

Quote: itkul

Why does Ukraine need an army at all, Russia gave you security guarantees for the renunciation of nuclear weapons

This is of course politics, but it also applied to my classmates. On Tuzla this was not noticeable.

[ATATA]

Quote: Akim

This is of course politics, but it also applied to my classmates. On Tuzla this was not noticeable.

Share in more detail, if not difficult.

[Akim]

Quote: ATATA

Share in more detail, if not difficult.

When they bring the border guards to a state of increased combat readiness, they distribute the armor plates (about which in August of the same 2003 at the Russian border, one could only imagine in nightmarish thoughts). They brought AGSs (thank God they didn’t even collect them.) They put an excavator in order to remove it if the dam crosses the border. The team of this vessel is scared. They first fell into the pan. At that time, in our unit, even without cable, Russian television channels caught and diarrhea also came from there. They remembered the Kuruchuk-Kunjay agreement and Russian journalists demanded to give Crimea -Turkey. Even the Turkish ambassador in Kiev had to say that Turkey did not pretend to Crimea.
Everything was calm in the troops (in our case, anyway). Why classmates ...
Two, after graduation, buyers were lured to the border guards and both went home to the Eastern regions. Who knew that such garbage would happen in three years.
Well, drove her and good. This year it will be 10 years. Let it be only a skirmish between brothers - as in an ordinary family.

[sashka]

Quote: Kowalsky

To supply others with things for which they have no money. Well, I don’t believe that it’s impossible to find funds to buy a couple of hundred "Bulats" or even "Oplots". It is scary to imagine the scale of theft from all possible budgets.

Imagine what it is for us? And most importantly, besides us, this does not interest anyone. I'm talking about Russia ..

[sashka]

The genius was the man who first said the word "investment". Then it went by itself. Innovation, modernization, privatization, optimization .. Maybe just a hangover. And we are already here ... performing ..

[Algor73]

May God grant to fulfill the contract and revive the plant. Although tanks are very specific products, there are not so many buyers. It may be true that the plant is being redesigned for the development and production of armored personnel carriers.

[Alexander D.]

Not true. Krauss-Maffei Wegmann produces tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and self-propelled guns - nothing, people are happy.
Getting up after a strong knockout is always difficult. Now, thanks to this contract, the process of restoration of serial production of tanks is ongoing. And note, the process is not at our expense, but at the expense of Thais.

[MRomanovich]

Quote: YuriWhite

Collect rubbish on the knee of the old (T-84, T-80, T-64 and so on) the same rubbish is unambiguous.

not everyone can assemble from the "ultramodern" T-72

[Cynic]

Quote: MRomanovich

not everyone can assemble from the "ultramodern" T-72

What?
He survived 17 upgrades and will still tolerate!
Can you name a competitor?

[Ducksar]

designers outplayed in Minecraft

[Yemelya]

Can anyone explain why Oplot-M has rubber shields on the turret, if they are close to the armor?

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Emelya

Can anyone explain why Oplot-M has rubber shields on the turret, if they are close to the armor?

Previously (in the 80s), these rubber-fabric shields were used to smooth corners and thereby reduce the radar signature of the tank - something like the first attempts to use stealth technology on BM. True, then the tanks were not angular - I don’t know how it works now.

[sergey158-29]

Congratulations to the Ukrainians and the staff of the Malyshev factory, it’s hard - but they gave birth to Oplot, albeit for the Thais for now, but maybe a dozen will be collected for Ukraine, good luck

[Alexander D.]

Quote: sergey158-29

Congratulations to the Ukrainians and the staff of the Malyshev factory, it’s hard - but they gave birth to Oplot, albeit for the Thais for now, but maybe a dozen will be collected for Ukraine, good luck

God forbid, if they collect at least a dozen for Ukraine, the Romanians will start screaming about Ukraine’s aggression against them and imperialist manners (a joke). Let them gather, only so that no one knows about it.