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In Kharkov, showed the first made for Thailand tank

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Today at the State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant" presented the first serial tank "Oplot", manufactured under a contract with the army of Thailand.

The first serial "Oplot" was examined by the delegation of the Royal Thai Army led by the commander of the armored forces Bunsantin Sansavat, reports the own correspondent of LB.ua.



General Director of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies Sergey Gromov said that "this tank clearly demonstrates that Ukroboronprom is fulfilling its obligations to Thailand within the agreed timeframe."

According to him, the contract will be fully completed by the end of 2014.

Gromov also noted that the Ukrainian-Thai contract is fundamentally important for the country and for the Ukroboronprom group of companies, since “it loads the production capacity of Ukrainian enterprises and allows Ukraine to develop as the leading global manufacturer and exporter of military equipment”.



“I am confident that the Ukrainian tank will increase the combat readiness of the Royal Thai Army. The battle tank Oplot corresponds to all the world achievements in the military sphere, ”said the commander of the armored forces of the Royal Thai Army, Major General Bunsantin Sansavat, in turn.

Recall that in September 2011, between Ukrspetsexport Group of Companies and the Royal Thai Army operations department, a contract was signed to supply 49 units of the main combat unit to Thailand tank "Hold". The total value of the contract is about $ 200 million.

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  1. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 27 June 2013 08: 00 New
    10
    Beautiful, but overly flat t-90, the MC is more like in terms of design, that's the question why the machine gun is not automated?
    1. Alexander D.
      27 June 2013 22: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      Beautiful, but overly flat t-90, the MC is more like in terms of design, that's the question why the machine gun is not automated?

      This visual illusion is due to the side screens with remote sensing. There, on the turret and on the hull, DZ are completely hung.
  2. Trailer
    Trailer 27 June 2013 08: 00 New
    +4
    The tank is beautiful, but the question is for specialists: such pixel disguise, is it really better than traditional?
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 27 June 2013 08: 26 New
      +6
      The US Army admitted that the attempt to make universal camouflage turned out to be a complete failure. 5 billion dollars spent.

      http://survivalandprosperity.com/2012/06/27/u-s-army-dumps-universal-camouflage-


      pattern-ucp /

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2164686/How-U-S-Army-spent-5BILLION-fail


      ed-pixel-camouflage - wanted-look-cooler-Marines.html

      “Suddenly” it turned out that the new pixel camouflage is no better than usual, and in some cases it highlights an object on the ground. So far, they are returning the old MultiKam to the troops, but it will not be enough for everyone.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 27 June 2013 10: 09 New
        +2
        As far as I remember, Multikam is a new-fashioned Amer’s pixel camouflage, and the old one is called either Woodland or Flora.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 27 June 2013 10: 18 New
          +2
          A pixel is square dots; there are no cartoons.

          PS right-click - open the image. To the left of the cartoons, to the right of the pixel.
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 27 June 2013 11: 30 New
            0
            Well, then yes, the cartoons are not pixelated.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 27 June 2013 11: 57 New
              0
              By the way, here's the photo, well, nifiga is not typical for woodland was sawn for Europe without dry foliage with a predominance of needles and podoeshka.
            2. Refund_SSSR
              Refund_SSSR 27 June 2013 14: 43 New
              +5
              The photo clearly demonstrates an incorrectly selected camouflage, and not the superiority of one over the other.
              Or is the difference in tones not noticeable? wink
        2. LINX
          LINX 27 June 2013 15: 37 New
          +1
          ... As far as I remember Cartoons, this is a new-fashioned Amer’s pixel camouflage, and the old one is called either Woodland or Flora ....


          Woodland, flora, olive, coyote - these are options for the color scheme

          and a multicam and a number (for the US Armed Forces, an accent, for the ILC - marpathians, they are different even though both are in numbers) - these are variants of the camouflage pattern



          the same woodland can be like cartoons and numbers
    2. Alexander D.
      27 June 2013 23: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Karavan
      The tank is beautiful, but the question is for specialists: such pixel disguise, is it really better than traditional?

      Only Thais can give an answer to your question - they ordered such a kam, no one imposed it on them!
  3. ATATA
    ATATA 27 June 2013 08: 03 New
    10
    Something vague doubts torment me.
    It seems to me that the tank is not just the first, but also the only one.
    We signed the contract in 2011, the second half of 2013 was already in the yard. We need to finish the contract in 2014. Could the Thai people show how their tanks are assembled in the workshop, but they showed only one. It's not clear how that is. request
    They made one single Bastion in Kharkov and now they drag it everywhere.
    Repainted and supposedly a new serial. Well, wait and see.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 June 2013 08: 40 New
      15
      Quote: ATATA
      It seems to me that the tank is not just the first, but also the only one.

      I like how people draw conclusions from a piece of material. In the photo in the workshop is a deuce, next to it is a triple. In the background 04,05 will be understaffed. In the workshops, to varying degrees of readiness, another 20 tanks. Until the end of the year, 15 more will be given to the Thais (a total of 20 this year).
      I myself did not know until now, but yesterday I talked with the person who was at the presentation.
      In addition. In order not to bother you. There’s a presentation unit in the sand camouflage.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 27 June 2013 09: 43 New
        +9
        Well, if so.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 27 June 2013 14: 40 New
          +1
          Good, yes, good, but what will happen to this and other orders (and whether they will be at all?) If Ukraine comes directly or God forbid - you, me - will enter the European same-sex family of people ?! belay
    2. dominatus
      dominatus 27 June 2013 15: 44 New
      +1
      It’s immediately obvious that you’ve never been to a factory. And, what is a conveyor is very vague.
      Do you think that they do one thing, from the beginning to the end, then the second and so on?

      The production of 1 tank takes about 1 year. If you follow your logic, then the contract should be fulfilled 50 years. Therefore, they begin to produce immediately, almost simultaneously dozens. First, the bodies are cooked, then the units are installed, etc.
      As a result, the interval between cars leaving the assembly line is several days or weeks.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 27 June 2013 18: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: dominatus
        As a result, the interval between cars leaving the assembly line is several days or weeks.

        Yes, yes.
        Definitely _
        Quote: dominatus
        It is immediately clear that You never been at the factory. And, what is a conveyor is very vague.

        Just information
        assembly ... is carried out either on-line in the case of specialized enterprises with a significant volume of production, or at universal workplaces with a small volume of production ...

        Yes, even
        Quote: dominatus
        The production of 1 tank takes about 1 year.

        I can imagine what rzhach caused this your pearl.
        Although if you count from the stage of ore mining for smelting metal going to the product or oil.
        No, and it doesn’t work out that way!
        And if a new car too!
        I also want to say at the factory. On Malyshev, identity was not only, and in the assembly identity was!
        I will not say anything about the current deadlines, otherwise there will be enough of the present Stakhanovites inHvart, they have not been given this!
        "Where are you, boy?
        Where are you going?
        Wouldn’t you go, Vanek,
        Yes, the soldiers!
        1. dominatus
          dominatus 27 June 2013 23: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: Cynic
          I can imagine what rzhach caused this your pearl.


          I took data from a Discovery Channel documentary. Where the production of the Abrams was described.

          Good. How much time (in your opinion) does it take to create a 1st instance?
        2. dominatus
          dominatus 27 June 2013 23: 17 New
          -1
          I can imagine what rzhach caused this your pearl.

          It looks like you know a lot more than the general designer.
          According to him, 1 tank is made 15 months.

          “Money for the construction of new tanks began to be transferred only in December 2009. Deputy Director of Marketing at the Malyshev plant N. Belov said:“ ... in December we received an advance payment of 13% of the total amount. ”February 23, 2010 HCBM chief designer Yuri Busyak confirmed the existence of the state order, saying: “I can officially announce the receipt of the state order for the manufacture of the first 10 Oplot-M combat vehicles, which will be sent to military units of the Ground Forces.” The cost of one machine will be about 3,5, 4-3,3 million dollars (according to other sources 2011 million dollars). As you can see, the construction of the Oplotov M began, but even with a good combination of circumstances, ten new tanks may appear in the Ukrainian Ground forces no earlier, than in mid-15 (the tank’s production cycle takes XNUMX months). "

          http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T84/2/2.php


          I gave you reasoned evidence.
          I expect from you a similar proof of your statement.
          You would not go to Vanek soldiers.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 28 June 2013 10: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: dominatus
            I gave you reasoned evidence.

            Argue with the factory them. Malysheva, it’s somehow not with my hands, but ...
            The production cycle, but most likely all the same the Production cycle, is _ The completed circle of production operations from the first to the last in the manufacture of the product.
            You can imagine this cycle for 15 months, it is more than difficult for me.
            Not one decade has been devoted to this production cycle.
            Quote: dominatus
            I expect from you a similar proof of your statement.

            Maybe you can find data on the duration of tank production cycles on the net, I never did that. Why look up. when you already know.
            Although fundamentally knowing the number of BTT by model in the Soviet Army, the year of their production, the number of factories producing them at a time can be estimated as the duration of this cycle.
            By the way, it seems that someone has already sounded this figure.
            hi
            Quote: Cynic
            I will not say anything about the current deadlines, otherwise there will be enough of the present Stakhanovites inHvart, they have not been given this!

            bully
            1. dominatus
              dominatus 29 June 2013 00: 44 New
              -1
              Blah - blah - blah - blah.
              And are these all your arguments? Everything is clear with you.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 29 June 2013 09: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: dominatus
                Blah - blah - blah - blah.
                And are these all your arguments? Everything is clear with you.

                And so they would immediately say and say. I don’t want to think.
                I was always amazed when they start to prove something, referring to something someone said somewhere.
                Sorry, but you have a technical background, do you work / worked in the military-industrial complex? Why do you believe words so unconditionally?
                Hm especially words deputy marketing director , About Discovery as a source of reliable information in general I will not say anything.
                Come on again
                Quote: dominatus
                As a result, the interval between cars leaving the assembly line is several days or weeks.

                Your words ?
                It’s just not necessary, about the fact that _ Before you assemble everything you need to prepare, the conversation is about the production cycle, and not about the preparation cycle for production!
                I just feel that you are very far from knowledge of mechanical engineering technology and, once again, I don’t want to think at all.
                Am I here to arrange an educational program on production technology and labor organization?
                Above was a quote from a textbook
                assembly ... is carried out either on-line in the case of specialized enterprises with a significant volume of production, or at universal workplaces with a small volume of production ...

                Discover the secret of how you imagine the production cycle of a product lasting 15 months in this situation !!!
                By the way
                The black humor of the situation is that these words about 15 months may turn out to be true, but only regarding the real duration of the production cycle now.
                I don’t know if Raikin’s sideshow is familiar to you, but apparently it reflects the essence of the current situation with the production cycle at the plant

                Or
                “Kripich“ bar ”- there is a brick, mortar“ ek ”- there is no solution. What to do? Make a smoke break »

                wink
  4. Avenger711
    Avenger711 27 June 2013 08: 08 New
    +1
    Even Khlopotov congratulated them on his blog.
  5. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 27 June 2013 08: 26 New
    -9
    That's cool! Collect rubbish on the knee of the old (T-84, T-80, T-64 and so on) the same rubbish is unambiguous. I am ready to argue on the Henesi box that the contract will not be fulfilled!
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 June 2013 08: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: YuriWhite
      I am ready to argue on the Henesi box that the contract will not be fulfilled!

      Will you give? Although if the box "Shabo" will also be nice.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 27 June 2013 09: 45 New
        +9
        Quote: Akim
        Will you give? Although if the box "Shabo" will also be nice.

        And how are things with the Iraqi contract, tortured?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 June 2013 10: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: ATATA
          with the Iraqi contract, tortured?

          Tormented. Soon another party will be handed over. There the contract is muddy. It turns out they collect cars for a penny. Still must remain to allies. That's why they are in no hurry. For Ana, the money went without stopping at intermediaries, as they have been done for a long time.
          1. Conepatus
            Conepatus 27 June 2013 10: 39 New
            +2
            In that contract, the lion's share of the proceeds goes to the pin-up-owl intermediaries.
            Or am I confusing something?
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 June 2013 10: 43 New
              +5
              Quote: Conepatus
              In that contract, the lion's share of the proceeds goes to the pin-up-owl intermediaries.
              Or am I confusing something?

              All is correct. Chetril from the United States received a third of the amount. In fact, for garbage, which is usually paid as 10%. Thanks Yusch !!! angry
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 27 June 2013 17: 01 New
            0
            That is, they threw them like suckers.
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 June 2013 18: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Avenger711
              That is, they threw them like suckers.


              It turns out - YES.
  6. Krilion
    Krilion 27 June 2013 08: 37 New
    18
    side screens, spaced a half meter apart, still come back to the Thais .... and sticking out a meter above the tower, the barrel with optics also delivers ... it will be interesting to know the opinion of the Thais a year after the start of operation of this "miracle" in local the jungle ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 June 2013 08: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Krilion
      it will be interesting to know the opinion of Thais

      Similarly.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 June 2013 09: 05 New
      +8
      side screens spaced half a meter to the sides,

      Torn in tatters after the first march on the road.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 27 June 2013 10: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        Torn in tatters after the first march on the road.

        If these screens do not justify themselves in real-life conditions, they will simply be replaced. This is not part of the design, but just a hinged protection ...
      2. Alexander D.
        27 June 2013 23: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        side screens spaced half a meter to the sides,

        Torn in tatters after the first march on the road.

        Do not tear - they are not glued to the rubber fabric base as on the T-72. Everything is a little more technological there.
        http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/idex2013/d4/?img=13.jpg.html
    3. dominatus
      dominatus 28 June 2013 00: 28 New
      0
      Firstly, this is not optics but a thermal imager, for aiming the gun at the heat of the engine in conditions of "0" visibility.
      Secondly, smaller thermal imagers have not yet been created in the world.
      Thirdly, on the latest modification of the latest Russian T-90 tank (on the T-90SM) there is a similar-sized thermal imager.
      Do not believe me - look at the pictures of the T-90 CM
  7. Vtel
    Vtel 27 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +2
    Now it will be a stronghold for Thailand.

    TTX T-84 "Oplot-M"
    Combat weight, t 51,0
    Crew, people. 3
    Ground clearance, mm 470-500
    Booking - multilayer armor combined, protivosnaryadny
    Active Defense Warta
    Dynamic protection built-in, "Doublet"
    Armament:
    - smoothbore gun 125 mm KBA-3
    Ammunition guns 46 shells (28 of them in AZ)
    - machine guns 1 x 12,7 mm CT, 1 x 7,62 mm CT
    - ATGM "Combat"
    Sights laser sight range finder 1G46M,
    PTT-2 thermal imaging sighting system,
    PNK-6 panoramic sighting system
    Engine - 6TD-2E, diesel supercharged, max. power 1200 hp, at 2600 rpm
    Highway speed, km / h 70
    Cross country speed, km / h 40-45
    Cruising on the highway, km 400 (500 with external tanks)
    Cruising cross country, km 350 (450 with external tanks)
    Specific power, l. s / t 24,7
    Type of suspension individual torsion bar
    Ground pressure, kg / cm 0,97
    Gradeability, hail. 32 °
    Breaking wall, m 0,8
    Overcoming ditch, m 2,85
    Walking ford, m 1,8 (5 with OPVT)
    1. dominatus
      dominatus 28 June 2013 00: 32 New
      -1
      to the above you need to add one of the best in the world (in all respects superior to the Russian "Arena") KAZ "Barrier".
      Which detects and destroys even on approach to the tank any ammunition larger than a hand grenade.
  8. sashka
    sashka 27 June 2013 08: 49 New
    +4
    Everything is just like ours. At least someone just can’t imagine .. And at the same time he praises and beat him in the chest with his fist. What we wow ..
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 27 June 2013 17: 02 New
      0
      We have supplies for ourselves, enough to live in the 90's.
    2. Alexander D.
      27 June 2013 23: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Sasha
      Everything is just like ours. At least someone just can’t imagine .. And at the same time he praises and beat him in the chest with his fist. What we wow ..

      Not everything, you have more money. Accordingly, it takes more to drink. In comparison with you, we have children with sweets.
    3. dominatus
      dominatus 28 June 2013 00: 34 New
      0
      This allows you to maintain potential.
      Thus, the Pakistani contract for the supply of T-80UD to Pakistan made it possible to create the Oplot first and then the Oplot-M.
  9. cartridge
    cartridge 27 June 2013 08: 55 New
    +9
    I am tormented by vague doubts that even 200 million bucks is not the amount that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can revive ... what
    The proceeds will be enough for several months to maintain factory pants, and then if the powers that be do not stick to it ...
    Although, of course, this is better than nothing!
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 27 June 2013 08: 57 New
      0
      The most important thought, in the last line!
    2. experienced
      experienced 27 June 2013 08: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: cartridge
      I am tormented by vague doubts that even 200 million bucks is not the amount that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can revive ...

      Well, as the saying goes: “A chicken by the grain ...” Ukraine also supplied to Pakistan, a contract for armored personnel carriers, Kazakhstan with Iraq ... So you’re wrong hi
      And the most important thing is to “stake out” the market for themselves, and there they will still want to, and then it will be possible to “raise money” for maintenance and modernization.
    3. Alexander D.
      27 June 2013 23: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: cartridge
      I am tormented by vague doubts that even 200 million bucks is not the amount that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex can revive ... what
      The proceeds will be enough for several months to maintain factory pants, and then if the powers that be do not stick to it ...
      Although, of course, this is better than nothing!

      Here the effect is different - the restoration of mass production of tanks in Ukraine in general. For 12 years, Ukraine has completely lost the ability to mass-produce tanks. Thanks to this contract, in Kharkov, for the money of others, they launched mass production of tanks, as such. So far, our MO has not ordered tanks, because it was necessary to first set up the facilities of the enterprise. And so they did it for the money of others - now in the production process of 49 tanks it is possible to polish this process and collect orders from other countries.
  10. leon-iv
    leon-iv 27 June 2013 09: 26 New
    +9
    And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.
    And looking at the tempo of UVZ, it’s generally ruffling.
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 June 2013 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: leon-iv
      And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.

      By the way, I wonder where did the T-72BM 74 motorized rifle accidentally not in Azerbaijan?
      Quote: leon-iv
      looking at the tempo of UVZ so generally rukalitstso.

      Well, yes there the state dough is not being measured, and the pace there is very inconsistent with the prices.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 27 June 2013 10: 30 New
        +5
        By the way, I wonder where did the T-72BM 74 motorized rifle accidentally not in Azerbaijan?

        Rather, they set the Armenians. More logical. Yes, and T-72 at the storage bases of 100500.
        Well, yes there the state dough is not being measured, and the pace there is very inconsistent with the prices.

        And where does the foreign customer and state loot
        1. Kars
          Kars 27 June 2013 10: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          Rather, they set the Armenians

          Vryatli. Yes and outside they are 90 in one, and if you paint it beautifully.
          Quote: leon-iv
          And where does the foreign customer and state loot
          For all that, the conveyor is the same as the workers, therefore the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 27 June 2013 11: 03 New
            0
            from 90 one to one

            um ????
            Cheat BM with you from the 90th can not distinguish ???
            , therefore, the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.

            Why is it weak in the contracts? And the mechanic says that UVZ produces a lot more repairs in Omsk.
            1. Kars
              Kars 27 June 2013 11: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: leon-iv
              Cheat BM with you from the 90th can not distinguish ???

              It’s very difficult from the distance and in the photo, especially if you have a little bit of fun in it.
              Quote: leon-iv
              Why is it weak in the contracts?

              Quote: leon-iv
              Yes, and the mechanic says that UVZ
              The mechanic says that Armata is slowed down that UVZ does not have time to do the Indian contract. Somewhere even announced the figure of about 40 tanks per month, and this is in a cyclical production, which Kharkov can only dream of.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 27 June 2013 11: 56 New
                0
                From the far and from the photo well it’s very difficult, especially if it is a little bit to fiddle. From the far and from the photo well it is very difficult, especially if it is a little bit to fiddle.

                Uhm cheat? Are Azerbaijanis so stupid?
                The mechanic says that Armata is slowed down that UVZ does not have time to do the Indian contract

                Armata is still experimental, not serial. So if serial production will be slowed down by foreign orders then questions.
                Somewhere he even announced the figure of about 40 tanks per month, and this is in a cyclical production, which Kharkov can only dream of.

                Others give estimates of 70-80 per month with tension. But is he really needed now?
                I’m not busy about Kharkov. The question is whether Oplot is needed by another customer. EMNIP this contract and with krazom was with the transfer of a number of technologies.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 27 June 2013 11: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Uhm cheat? Are Azerbaijanis so stupid?

                  Who knows, probably not smarter than the Thais by whom their tanks pyiripil from Ud
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  then converted UD-shki

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Armata is still experimental, not serial. So if serial production will be slowed down by foreign orders then questions.

                  And so what? They froze anyway.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Others give estimates of 70-80 per month with tension. But is he really needed now?

                  Who knows you, but Armata stands.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  The question is whether Oplot is needed by another customer.

                  Time will tell.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  EMNIP this contract and with krazom was with the transfer of a number of technologies.

                  Thailand will start the production of Krazov and bastions?
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 27 June 2013 12: 08 New
                    0
                    Who knows, probably not smarter than the Thais by whom their tanks pyiripil from Ud

                    um, how be and what's the point? If for a plant such a batch is made easily? But not too much?
                    And so what? They froze anyway.

                    Whose fit? Umm! "No. ;;% the bathhouse burned out? She was being sawed like a trolley, she was driving questions with BM
                    Thailand will start the production of Krazov and bastions?

                    Read a number of technologies, and Thais are now seriously investing in their defense industry.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 27 June 2013 12: 15 New
                      +2
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      um, how be and what's the point?

                      The meaning is many millions.
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      If for a plant such a batch is made easily?

                      Yes, it’s unlikely, especially considering the secrecy and duration of the contract.
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Whose fit? Erm! "No. ;;% the bathhouse burned out?
                      I didn’t understand what they wanted to say. But according to the mechanic, the work was frozen due to the Indian contract.
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Read a number of technologies, and Thais are now seriously investing in their defense industry.

                      And? This is widespread practice - then what? How is the Russian Federation trying to make friends with Brazil? Now only underdeveloped countries take only finished products or do you disagree?
                      1. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 27 June 2013 12: 29 New
                        +4
                        Ask yourself a couple of questions:
                        1.) what is the contract with the Indians, provided that they have long received all the finished tanks laid down under 2 contracts.
                        2.) how is any export contract Ural Wagon Factory on the production of serial T90, may interfere Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering to carry out OCD paid by the state under the SDO.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 27 June 2013 12: 37 New
                        +1
                        Well, these questions are not for me, but for the user with the nickname Mechanic do you know this?


                        And if you answer your two questions as you want, then Armata was frozen for a hundred so, for no reason. As for privacy, this is one laugh


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                        Engine for "Almaty"



                        Tank "Armata" will receive modern guns and a fire control system

                        Armata - heavy armor for infantry


                        headlines from Vestik Mordovia)))
                        http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-5119.htm
                      3. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 27 June 2013 12: 51 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, these questions are not for me, but for the user with the nickname Mechanic do you know this?
                        You believe everything that the Mechanic says - this is your right, only as a fact of his statement it is not necessary to bring.
                        Quote: Kars
                        And if you answer your two questions as you want, then Armata was frozen for a hundred so, for no reason. As for privacy, this is one laugh
                        And how is it known that it is frozen?
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 27 June 2013 13: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        only as a fact of his statement it is not necessary to cite.

                        Do you have more reliable sources?
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        And how is it known that it is frozen?

                        So they will show at the exhibitions in the autumn as promised earlier?
                      5. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 27 June 2013 19: 26 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Do you have more reliable sources?

                        Well, for example, Murakhovsky, the personality is quite public.
                        Quote: Kars
                        So they will show at the exhibitions in the autumn as promised earlier?
                        You have serious problems with logic, showing or not showing a prototype at an exhibition does not say anything about the state of the program, and certainly does not prove the program’s “freezing”.
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 27 June 2013 19: 42 New
                        +1
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Well, for example, Murakhovsky, the personality is quite public.

                        And what did he say that?
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        You have serious problems with logic, showing or not showing a prototype at an exhibition does not say anything about the state of the program, and certainly does not prove the program’s “freezing”

                        Well, why - it just proves that the bahvalitsa is not ahead of time. And then the regime of secrecy and invisibility abruptly switches on.
                      7. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 28 June 2013 08: 47 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Kars
                        And what did he say that?

                        Well, to put it mildly, he does not confirm the "freezing" of the Almaty
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, why - it just proves that the bahvalitsa is not ahead of time. And then the regime of secrecy and invisibility abruptly switches on.
                        And that is, the fact that Armata is “frozen” you no longer insist and write down.
                      8. Kars
                        Kars 28 June 2013 10: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Well, to put it mildly, he does not confirm the "freezing" of the Almaty

                        Who would doubt it, but a person who is not public and sometimes at the factory is probably lying)))
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        And that is, the fact that Armata is “frozen” you no longer insist and write down

                        Where did I say that? A failure to show at the exhibition indirectly confirms the freezing.
                      9. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 1 July 2013 11: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        Who would doubt it, but a person who is not public and sometimes at the factory is probably lying)))

                        Yes, and you were there with him? can you confirm? what not surprisingly incidentally
                        Quote: Kars
                        Where did I say that? A failure to show at the exhibition indirectly confirms the freezing.

                        He does not confirm anything, with logic you still have a hard time.
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 27 June 2013 12: 35 New
        0
        The meaning is many millions.

        Here xs for
        1 at a batch factory the price is much lower
        2 MOs are not fools either, although with UVZ they have Vasya
        3 Normo Watches
        Something like this
        Yes, it’s unlikely, especially considering the secrecy and duration of the contract.

        And here the nuance of the mechanic said that when he was at UVZ he saw tanks in a coloring similar to the Indians. Most likely it was not Bishmas but for Azerbaijan
        I didn’t understand what they wanted to say. But according to the mechanic, the work was frozen due to the Indian contract

        Armata not Serial for this there is a pilot production and 100500 people are not needed there. Even troubles (a bright lover of Putin and Almaty) confirms this. And Murakhovsky directly points to this.
        do not you agree

        No, for example, Swedes are underdeveloped?
      3. Kars
        Kars 27 June 2013 12: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: leon-iv
        1 at a batch factory the price is much lower

        At UVZ lower? When the price increase every year? And than BU?
        Quote: leon-iv
        2 MOs are not fools either, although with UVZ they have Vasya

        In proportion
        Quote: leon-iv
        3 Normo Watches

        At a rem factory by conscripts and autogen. But painting at a stand in UVZ

        Quote: leon-iv
        Most likely it was not Bishmas but for Azerbaijan

        So much torment) by the way how much has arrived?
        Quote: leon-iv
        Even troubles (a bright lover of Putin and Almaty) confirms this.

        Khlopotov already says that they ruined it, the dates are so accurate.
        Quote: leon-iv
        No, for example, Swedes are underdeveloped?

        And? Do they buy something for themselves and don’t take the technology? Or don’t remake it with their own? I heard about how the Swedes sawed Leopard 2 into Strv-122
      4. leon-iv
        leon-iv 27 June 2013 13: 05 New
        0
        At UVZ lower? When the price increase every year? And than BU?

        So yes, the laws of economics have not been canceled
        In proportion

        And what's the point if you can do everything yourself?
        At a rem factory by conscripts and autogen. But painting at a stand in UVZ

        You apparently do not know what is happening now for similar in the army of the Russian Federation.
        So much torment) by the way how much has arrived?

        While they say baht want a regiment.
        ? do they buy something and don’t take technology?

        Archer at the BAE.
      5. Kars
        Kars 27 June 2013 13: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: leon-iv
        So yes, the laws of economics have not been canceled

        Well, yes, it’s cheaper than the new one, especially with constant price hikes.
        Quote: leon-iv
        And what's the point if you can do everything yourself?

        You can do it, but sell it?
        Quote: leon-iv
        You apparently do not know what is happening now for similar in the army of the Russian Federation.

        Serdyukov planted?
        Quote: leon-iv
        While they say baht want a regiment.

        And the super-UVZ was so puffed that it slowed down Armata?
        Quote: leon-iv
        Archer at the BAE.

        Artillery System Rcher or Archer - FH77BW L52 is an international project aimed at developing the next generation of Sweden and Norway's self-propelled artillery system
        A howitzer was developed for the Swedish armed forces after a contract will be awarded to Bofors (now BAE Systems Bofors) in 2003 by the Forsvarets Materielverk (FM

        Will you conclude?
      6. Kars
        Kars 27 June 2013 18: 44 New
        +1

        _____________________
  11. Yarbay
    Yarbay 27 June 2013 23: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    Yes, it’s unlikely, especially considering the secrecy and duration of the contract.

    For two years, 94 tanks for this plant is a big problem ??
    Moreover, apparently not all tanks are delivered yet !!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 27 June 2013 23: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    It’s very difficult from the distance and in the photo, especially if you have a little bit of fun in it.

    Do you mean that the T-72 74 motorized rifle were converted to the T-90 for Azerbaijan?
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 June 2013 23: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Yarbay
      Do you mean that the T-72 74 motorized rifle were converted to the T-90 for Azerbaijan?

      I’m just a troll.))) but now we can say that there is such a rumor in Runet)))
      Quote: leon-iv
      And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 28 June 2013 09: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        I'm just a troll.))) n

        Mlyn must be warned, and then the heart already almost stopped)))) There are some loots)))))))))))
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 11: 28 New
    +3
    ________________
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 27 June 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    Vryatli. Yes and outside they are from 90 one to one,

    Well, only if you still replace the tower, because the T-72 from the 90th engine, KAZ and the tower by and large differs.
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 June 2013 11: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: cth; fyn
      KAZ

      Maybe CEP?
  • evil hamster
    evil hamster 27 June 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    Vryatli. Yes and outside they are 90 in one, and if you paint it beautifully.

    Oh well, you don’t need to pull an owl on the globe, outwardly they are perfectly distinguishable at first sight.
    Quote: Kars
    For all that, the conveyor is the same as the workers, therefore the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.
    The conveyor loaded is strictly proportional to the number of orders no more no less.
    SW Kak you seem to be a completely objective person, but I'm glad for Kharkov that they did roll out marketable products, but it’s stupid to deny that the process is very slow. The contract was signed in September 2011, and in May 5 cars were to be handed over, and in fact they showed 3 pieces at the end of June. I understand perfectly well that the “rumors” for having cut the first strongholds annoy you. But believe me, only Commodity Holds will stop them in decent quantities, but your stupid trolling for the Azerbaijani T90 will achieve nothing but unnecessary scraping. Tie it up.
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 June 2013 12: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: evil hamster
      externally they are perfectly distinguishable at first sight.

      Yes, not really.
      Quote: evil hamster
      The conveyor loaded is strictly proportional to the number of orders no more no less.

      Did they tell you with UVZ?
      Quote: evil hamster
      The contract was signed in September 2011, and in May 5 cars were to be handed over, and in fact they showed 3 pieces in late June

      and what? Thais pritenzy not present.
      Quote: evil hamster
      I understand perfectly that "rumors"

      According to rumors from Gurk Khan, the contract has already been canceled twice and reoriented to UVZ products
      Quote: evil hamster
      but your stupid trolling for Azerbaijani T90 will achieve nothing but unnecessary srach. Tie it up

      And I like it, especially since I’m not going to achieve anything in principle.
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 27 June 2013 12: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Kars
        Yes, not really.

        Yes, absolutely
        Quote: Kars
        Did they tell you with UVZ?
        And there may be other options, do they work at the warehouse?
        Quote: Kars
        And I like it, especially since I’m not going to achieve anything in principle.

        Stupidly jumble? Well then, I have no questions.
        1. Kars
          Kars 27 June 2013 12: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: evil hamster
          Yes, absolutely

          Made fun of
          Quote: evil hamster
          there may be other options, do they work at the warehouse?

          Options can always be
          Quote: evil hamster
          Stupidly jumble? Well then, I have no questions

          your right.
          Quote: leon-iv
          And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.
          )))))))))))) what am I worse?
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 27 June 2013 12: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            Made fun of

            Laughter for no reason ... well then you know
            Quote: Kars
            Options can always be
            It should be understood that you don’t have anything specific, just roll on the UVZ racially right?
            Quote: Kars
            your right.
            Thank you, I am in the know
            Quote: Kars
            )))))))))))) what am I worse?
            I thought you were better, but apparently wrong.
            1. Kars
              Kars 27 June 2013 12: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: evil hamster
              Laughter for no reason ... well then you know

              The reason you gave me
              Quote: evil hamster
              Thank you, I am in the know

              please
              Quote: evil hamster
              I thought you were better, but apparently wrong

              Strange this is not our first meeting))) and I do not pretend and never did. I even registered it in my profile.
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 27 June 2013 12: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                The reason you gave me

                no, I didn’t
                Quote: Kars
                Strange this is not our first meeting))) and I do not pretend and never did. I even registered it in my profile.

                I'll take it into account
              2. Kars
                Kars 27 June 2013 13: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: evil hamster
                no, I didn’t

                They did it, but you can not admit it.

                Quote: evil hamster
                I'll take it into account

                your personal
              3. Kars
                Kars 27 June 2013 13: 50 New
                +2
                Please say hello to Kars!
                Ask him why he blacklisted me?
                And ask him how his Soviet tankman fits in the avatar (if he has not changed it yet) with his desire that his son should serve no further than 5 km from his parents' house and not in hot spots? I would be in his place in such a situation in the worldview, instead of a Soviet tanker, I would put a chamomile field or a beer in the avatar.
                I would be grateful if you help in communication


                I don’t like you, and your comments too.

                As a match with an avatar ---- the USSR was a tank empire. Impact on BEAL. And do not climb my worldview.

                I would be grateful if you mention me more and you will not address me.
              4. evil hamster
                evil hamster 27 June 2013 19: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                They did it, but you can not admit it.

                This is your personal opinion, so I have nothing to recognize or not recognize.
              5. Kars
                Kars 27 June 2013 19: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: evil hamster
                This is your personal opinion, so I have nothing to recognize or not recognize.

                I am quite happy with my personal opinion. And you can already make a face with a brick, your personal problems. But thank you for laughing.
              6. evil hamster
                evil hamster 28 June 2013 08: 54 New
                -1
                Yes, no, it’s your personal problems; the inability to distinguish the T72B of 89 from the T90CA. And yet, yes, in the picture you provided, not T72B (m), but T72BA, you can laugh further you are our merry fellow.
              7. Kars
                Kars 28 June 2013 10: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: evil hamster
                Yes, no, it’s your personal problems; the inability to distinguish the T72B of 89 from the T90CA

                That you are not only angry, but also a short-haired hamster)))

                And not B and BM))) and not not from the SA but from the T-90, and indeed on A there is no problem to weld the cheekbones onto the tower.
                Quote: evil hamster
                and T72BA, you can laugh further fun you are ours

                How do you outwardly distinguish BA from BM? And there is no fundamental difference. And I can laugh with you, in principle, starting with a nickname and ending with your fantasies.
              8. evil hamster
                evil hamster 1 July 2013 11: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                And not B but BM)))
                There is no such index.
                Quote: Kars
                and not not from SA but from T-90
                About how, but the Azerbaijanis know that.
                Quote: Kars
                Yes, however, and on A the problem of cheekbones on the tower is welded.
                You rave, consult a doctor
                Quote: Kars
                How do you distinguish BA from BM
                Elementary, look at the tracks, og.
                Quote: Kars
                And I can laugh with you, in principle, starting with a nickname and ending with your fantasies.
                I say laughter for no reason, and yet only you have imagination.
              9. Kars
                Kars 1 July 2013 11: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: evil hamster
                There is no such index.

                Really.
                Quote: evil hamster
                About how, but the Azerbaijanis know that.

                What? What are the different models of the T-90
                Quote: evil hamster
                You rave, consult a doctor

                Do you really think so difficult? Welding machine and metal, then putty and paint over))))
                Quote: evil hamster
                Elementary, look at the tracks, og.

                It was strange at first they said that there is no such modification, but now you can distinguish between the tracks)) and this is in one comment))) at least their easiest to rearrange. And there are old T-72s and new ones similar to T-80s
                Quote: evil hamster
                I say laughter for no reason, and yet only you have imagination.
                Oh well, look at your fantasy Evil Hamster))))
  • ATATA
    ATATA 27 June 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    Please say hello to Kars!
    Ask him why he blacklisted me?
    And ask him how his Soviet tankman fits in the avatar (if he has not changed it yet) with his desire that his son should serve no further than 5 km from his parents' house and not in hot spots? I would be in his place in such a situation in the worldview, instead of a Soviet tanker, I would put a chamomile field or a beer in the avatar.
    I would be grateful if you help in communication. hi
    1. experienced
      experienced 27 June 2013 13: 56 New
      0
      Quote: ATATA
      I would be grateful if you help in communication.

      Alexei, I’m not tired of being amazed. First, you "mess up" yourself and take out a person in such a way that in order to preserve his nerves, he puts you in an emergency situation and here calls begin.
      Your message to the forum users is still normal, although illogical, but you have to meet someone like that ... I’m blacklisted, I’m told him ... and then him and all of him ... including pets ... wassat
      When they communicate normally, no one will bring them into the emergency situation, but nobody needs a haemorrhoids with insults and trolling hi
      Well, knowing Kars for a long time and reading his battles ... It is difficult to bring him out so that he "boils" winked
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 27 June 2013 13: 58 New
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      but you had to meet someone like that ... this is me on the black list, but I told him ... and then him and all of him ... including pets ...
      laughing
      Quote: seasoned
      When they communicate normally, no one will bring them into the emergency situation, but nobody needs a haemorrhoids with insults and trolling

      It seems that he did not troll and did not insult?
      Tell Kars that I respect him very much, although I do not agree with him in everything.
      Well, sorry if that.
    3. ATATA
      ATATA 27 June 2013 16: 07 New
      0
      Quote: ATATA
      It seems that he did not troll and did not insult?
      Tell Kars that I respect him very much, although I do not agree with him in everything.
      Well, sorry if that.

      laughing laughing laughing laughing
      Well, who and what for my comment put a minus ?!
      Answer the unknown ?! laughing
      Just say a word ?!
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 14: 02 New
    +5
    Quote: seasoned
    and ... It's hard to get him out so that he "boils"

    Come on, a person does not recognize such a nationality as a Ukrainian and countries like Ukraine. I’m not going to re-educate and prove everything.

    Thank you for attention.
  • Vilor
    Vilor 27 June 2013 16: 23 New
    +3
    Sorry for the replay from the previous topic, but could you answer my last question: I don’t understand what kind of nonsense are you? We have a guy from Ukraine, he has parents and sisters there. Every month he sends there the whole salary. He does not walk or shout that he is from Ukraine and he has the longest. Everything, etc. He never retreated and he is an excellent scout. I'm already tired of hearing about the division of our peoples. I consider us fraternal peoples. Tired of hearing talk about the USSR, everything was bad there, everyone was doing badly, etc. Then I have a rat proposal, since most of those who speak badly about the Union were born (made) in the Union, let them shoot themselves. After all, they were born in the USSR, and there that they did not do it, then everything is bad and this must be destroyed. Let them show by personal example how to get rid of the "Soviet past". Kharkov armored, I think, the same Ukrainians did not build and much more in Ukraine. So let us all raze the earth, it’s the damned built, or rather built by the entire Soviet people. Let's tear it down? How do you like the offer? Do you really see the columns of Russian armored vehicles heading for Kiev? I hope my impression of you is mistaken, but so far I have read the opposite in your comments. Why can not live in peace in our countries? Be sure to measure someone longer? There, Nevsky writes very well there, read, interestingly enough. Sorry for the harshness, this is from a misunderstanding.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 27 June 2013 16: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Vilor
    Sorry for the harshness, this is from a misunderstanding.

    Did you all address this to me?
    I’m just interested in clarifying the need for further dialogue.
  • Vilor
    Vilor 27 June 2013 22: 00 New
    0
    No it's Kars
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 22: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Vilor
    Sorry for repeating from a previous topic, but could you answer my last question

    What do I have to do with it?
    Quote: Vilor
    Kharkov armored, I think, the same Ukrainians were not the only ones who built and much more in Ukraine. So let us all raze the earth, it’s the damned built, or rather built by the entire Soviet people. Let's tear it down?

    And? Bam people from Ukraine did not build? Magnitogorsk? UVZ the same
    Quote: Vilor
    Am below it writes 'Nevsky' very well, read, quite interesting. Sorry for the harshness, this is from misunderstanding
    Nevsky, too, read in the West if it honestly isn’t worse than a werewolf - then he now sprinkles his head with orange ash from extreme to extreme
    Quote: Vilor
    Why can not live in peace in our countries?
    live i'm disturbing you
  • Vilor
    Vilor 27 June 2013 22: 18 New
    0
    Then why write, so to speak, not very well, about us? Either t-90, then they wrote about Crimea with eastern Ukraine, about the fact that we threaten to either pick them up, or something .. Why is this? I’ve been here recently, but all the less here everyone says that this is the Military Patriotic Site, and moreover, Russian. And I constantly read your sarcasm and irony about the Russian army. What's the point? Just? As in the old joke, “let the neighbor die one more cow next time”? What for? Are you an ardent nationalist?
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 22: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Vilor
    Then why write, so to speak, not very well, about us?

    And why do others write VERY not good about US?
    Quote: Vilor
    That t-90

    On the T-90, everything is completely objective, and my opinion is supported even by people with the flag of the Russian Federation near the nickname.
    Quote: Vilor
    T-90, they wrote about Crimea with eastern Ukraine, about the fact that we threaten to pick them up, or something ..
    And what do not threaten? How many comments with .. Turn the Crimea ...

    Quote: Vilor
    I’ve been here recently, but all the less here everyone says that this is a Military Patriotic site, and moreover, Russian
    You don’t like criticism? And the site turns into a geopolitical garbage dump.

    Quote: Vilor
    And I constantly read your sarcasm and irony about the Russian army.

    Do not read, there is a Black List function. And read what they comment on in articles about the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    Quote: Vilor
    What's the point? Just?
    just like that, and the cow has nothing to do with it.

    Quote: Vilor
    What for? Are you an ardent nationalist?
    What do you mean by a Nationalist? Do you personally have something against your nationality? And why should the others also be? And I just have a patriotic attitude towards my country. I don’t have another. As for the ardent, after reading these comments I began to understand our ultra much better right, even though I'm not with them.
  • Vilor
    Vilor 27 June 2013 22: 50 New
    0
    Okay, I get it. Conversation of the deaf with the dumb. No offense, but largely thanks to such an opinion as yours, People begin to think of Ukraine separately, Russia separately. Although history has repeatedly proved, just a little, everyone immediately runs to Russia for help. Well, since you began to understand your “right-wingers” more, I only watched the TV “Brother” and “Brother-2” the day before yesterday, I hope you remember that it is about Sevatopol, etc. they said. When I go to the zoo and a monkey makes faces for me, I don’t start grimacing in response. If fascist Germany was a very well developed country, then I did not begin to understand that fascism is good. I exaggerate of course, but you are ironic. Further conversation does not make sense. But I consider Ukraine a fraternal people, no matter what they say. Good luck
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 23: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Vilor
    Okay, I get it. Conversation of the deaf with dumb

    What am I doing here? Did I answer your questions?
    Quote: Vilor
    People start thinking Ukraine separately, Russia separately

    But it is. The USSR is not, and that there is wild capitalism there.
    Quote: Vilor
    Although history has proved more than once, just a little, everyone immediately runs to Russia for help

    and what? a little that in the near future is not foreseen.
    Quote: Vilor
    If fascist Germany was a very well developed country, then I did not begin to understand that fascism is good
    Remember to turn the other cheek. And you don’t have to drag in National Sociolism.
    Quote: Vilor
    Further conversation makes no sense
    lna and immediately if honestly had.
    Quote: Vilor
    But I consider Ukraine a fraternal people, no matter what they say

    Think, just what will it give? As soon as (God forbid) we join the Russian Federation in three seconds it will start - crawled, starved, and so on)))
  • Vilor
    Vilor 27 June 2013 23: 33 New
    0
    Your answers are not logical and not consistent. And there is constructive criticism and dibilism-mockery. If one of our subgroups didn’t work very well, then We don’t begin to exhaust it completely, but try to sort out the problems. And pouring a trickle of mud with your trickle is not required. And if you say "God forbid" to join Russia, then you will forget the Russian language and do not write your statements on the RUSSIAN military-patriotic website.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 23: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Vilor
    Your answers are not logical and not consistent.

    Why did you decide so and why do you consider yourself logical and consistent.
    Quote: Vilor
    And if you say "God forbid" to join Russia, then you will forget then the Russian language and do not write your statements on the RUSSIAN military-patriotic website


    Sorry, they taught me the Russian language under the USSR, and this is not your exclusive property.

    So prohibit non-Russian users from entering it, and cook in your own vacuum - though you probably won’t have rest there, dissent is not a criminal offense, but it may well become yours soon.
  • Vilor
    Vilor 27 June 2013 23: 58 New
    0
    Once again, constructive criticism and dibilism-mockery are two different things. So do not talk about dissent. And if you have a Soviet education, then why talk so negatively about Russia. I have no desire to go to the Ukrainian forum, to say that they are all mugs (dismissively arrogant tone). And you, I see such a desire.
  • Kars
    Kars 28 June 2013 10: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Vilor
    Once again, constructive criticism and dibilism-mockery,

    I repeat once again why you are not dibi ... l?
    Quote: Vilor
    And if you have a Soviet education, then why talk so negatively about Russia.


    Until the 2nd grade, and Russia is not the USSR, and I do not say anything objective or invented.
    Quote: Vilor
    . I have no desire to go to the Ukrainian forum, to say that they are all mugs (dismissively arrogant tone). And you, I see such a desire.

    Stop by
    And I on this site longer than he began to turn into a political trash, where almost every day derogatory articles about Ukraine. By the way, why is there so much Ukraine on the patriotic site of the Russian Federation? Are you trying to raise a sense of self-worth? What would anyone be so arrogant and dismissive of sympathy?)) )
  • Cynic
    Cynic 28 June 2013 10: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Why is there so much Ukraine on the patriotic site of the Russian Federation? Are you trying to raise a sense of self-worth? What would be someone who was arrogantly dismissive of sympathy?)))

    Or maybe a person / humans mother-in-law / mother-in-law of the Ukrainian here come off!
    Seriously, jealousy is more likely to play. 80 lives and develops in Ukraine (or in?), But here ...
    hi
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 14: 06 New
    +5
    Quote: seasoned
    It’s hard to bring him out so that he “boils”

    Ask what is his first warning? wassat
    Quote: ATATA
    Ask him why he blacklisted me?

    Not you are the only one .. I, too ..
  • experienced
    experienced 27 June 2013 14: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: MG42
    Ask what is his first warning?

    This is not interesting to me. He talked a lot with him, a patriot of Ukraine in the normal sense of the word, I respect such people, regardless of their nationality. He is a good specialist in armored vehicles, it is clear that he has a good store of knowledge and strives to follow the news hi
    I don’t remember my warnings and bans, but you suggest strangers to track me laughing
    Quote: MG42
    Quote: ATATA
    Ask him why he blacklisted me?
    Not you are the only one .. I, too ..

    Gather in the "Sorry Kars" Movement wassat
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 14: 20 New
    +3
    I don’t see any problem in emergencies, only the list of functions is very short. There are 2 forum users and that’s all. I won’t bring in anyone else. wassat
    Quote: seasoned
    I don’t remember my warnings and bans,

    Alexey, <fortunofil> and <traveler> weren't you by any chance?
    Quote: seasoned
    You suggest strangers to track me

    Yes, I do not suggest anything = anyone can break >>> no need to talk about perfect peace ..
  • experienced
    experienced 27 June 2013 14: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: MG42
    Alexey, <fortunofil> and <traveler> weren't you by any chance?

    Well, there were enough nicknames winked I won’t mention everyone, but the ones you mentioned were in my story ... laughing
  • ATATA
    ATATA 27 June 2013 15: 29 New
    0
    Quote: MG42
    Alexey, <fortunofil> and <traveler> weren't you by any chance?

    Is that a question for me?
    Just in case, I’ll answer, not me.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 27 June 2013 14: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Gather in the "Sorry Kars" Movement

    Yes, this is not that grief, it is some kind of misunderstanding.
    ps
    Well, how can I internally recognize the so-called Ukraine within the borders that exist now that half of the people speak and think Russian?
    The circus left, but the clowns remained?
  • experienced
    experienced 27 June 2013 14: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: ATATA
    Well, and how can I internally recognize the so-called Ukraine within the borders that exist now that half of the people speak and think Russian? The circus left, but the clowns remained?

    Well, you see, you still didn’t understand why Andrei brought you in an emergency, but ask him to resume communication. If my country was called "the so-called Russia," I would also not want to communicate with that ... fool You can scold the government of Ukraine, the actions of the president, but respect the country and the people who live in it. Offending someone, position it on yourself, how would you like these words in relation to your country hi
    I tie everything with educational program, laughing
  • ATATA
    ATATA 27 June 2013 14: 39 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    If my country was called "the so-called Russia"

    And there are grounds for saying so?
    Let him justify, I will listen and if I argue with what.
    Ukraine? wassat State? wassat
    Experienced!!! when did you return from the moon !?
    But what about common sense?
    From whom are 50% of the inhabitants of Ukraine independent, from themselves ?!
    50% of Ukrainians are Russians and I should calmly watch how they solder their brains?
    The USSR staged a famine, and who drew the borders of Ukraine ?!
    Well, excuse me, I have the right to boil! stop
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 June 2013 14: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: ATATA
    From whom are 50% of the inhabitants of Ukraine independent, from themselves ?!

    From own government laughing
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 15: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    I have Goebbels and Skorzeny in emergency situations)

    Go oversleep, maybe Himmler will dream more laughing , when there is nothing to say in response, the song about the scythe of death begins, it’s like a hammer and sickle on the avatar of an OUN-UPA fighter .. creating your own alternative circle of interest in VO with the help of an emergency.
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 15: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    But you have nothing to say to me, but your nickname is praising Mashinger 42 and you will not turn your back on him))

    not praise = this time .. there is no one post ..
    I called it as I have it, I have every right = it's two, because it's just a piece of iron ..
    machine gun through the dash is written, you are tired of hammering = it's three ..
    So how many are on your list? thirty? 30? or 40? I have 50, you at the honorable 1st place.. wassat
    What kind of interest in the user <Kars>, but actually no one already, I can remove you from the emergency. wink
    For beginners, the use of emergency situations is so that people like you do not beat them with minuses ..
    Quote: Kars
    http://topwar.ru/user/Bormann/

    I didn’t even know about such a banned character, why do you collect them for what purpose? If you figure out who has logged them in, the traces remain .. lol
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 16: 06 New
    0
    P \ S and you can troll and your login, its meaning probably lies after reading <Kars> in the reverse order ..
    Bye Bye..
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 16: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    if you make four mistakes in the word bread, you will get BEER)

    Self-critical, however you pretend about grammar, you write without errors, do not consider that you are the smartest wink
    About the ban. so you're not an admin, don’t spread your fingers, Kars ..
    And the picture you have already posted do not repeat, you have Hitler, Bandera and Shukhevych in the <red corner> standing, rolling your tanks on the parquet can feel better.
    Once again, buy by ..
  • MG42
    MG42 27 June 2013 17: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    I pretend to be wrong about mistakes)))))

    Yes. Since when you started boiling, you started writing without them, when a woman gives birth = she screams in her native language <17 moments of spring>
    Quote: Kars

    So I only offer)

    Especially if you figure out who logged in Bormann, bully
    Quote: Kars

    In the red corner I have a Tank Helmet

    Like this helmet ..

    Quote: Kars
    And you repeat goodbye))))

    I agree.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 14: 52 New
    +1
    MG42 UA Today, 14:20 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
    I don’t see any problem in emergencies, only the list of functions is very short. There are 2 forum users and that’s all. I won’t bring in anyone else.


    I have a long list --- but I only miss the professor (who brought me up), Bad_gr, stas57 And by the way, what kind of interest is it to my person from the user with the nickname of Scythe of Death, he’s an MG-42 machine gun, I have Goebbels and Skorzeny))))
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 15: 30 New
    +1
    MG42 UA Today, 15:03 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
    Quote: Kars
    I have Goebbels and Skorzeny in emergency situations)
    Go oversleep, maybe Himmler will even have a laugh, when there is nothing to say in response, the song about the scythe of death begins, it's like a sickle and a hammer on the avatar of an OUN-UP soldier .. creating your own alternative circle of interest in VO with the help of emergency situations ..


    And you have nothing to say to me, but your nickname is praising Mashingever 42 and you will not turn your back on him))) by the way, I’m next to you
    http://topwar.ru/user/Bormann/

    As for the emergency, this is for the administration, I did not ask him to do it))) but if there are any people like you I will determine there.
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 16: 23 New
    +1
    MG42 UA Today, 16:06 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
    P \ S and you can troll and your login, its meaning probably lies after reading <Kars> in the reverse order ..
    Bye Bye..


    if you make four mistakes in the word bread, you will get BEER)))) But for your nickname you have to mercilessly ban)) and I didn’t get sick with you, and I’m not going to pratsatsa either))))

    Pictures on request in Google)))) MG42
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 16: 39 New
    +2
    MG42 UA Today, 16:32 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
    Quote: Kars
    if you make four mistakes in the word bread, you will get BEER)
    Self-critical, however you pretend about grammar, you write without errors, do not consider that you are the smartest wink
    About the ban. so you're not an admin, don’t spread your fingers, Kars ..
    And the picture you have already posted do not repeat, you have Hitler, Bandera and Shukhevych in the <red corner> standing, rolling your tanks on the parquet can feel better.
    Once again, buy by ..


    I pretend to be wrong about mistakes)))))


    So I only suggest))) but maybe there are sane people)))

    In the red corner I have a Tank Helmet, but don’t ascribe to me your Hitler, it’s not for nothing that you yourself are such a ... talking .. guy.

    And you repeat goodbye))))
  • Kars
    Kars 27 June 2013 18: 37 New
    +1
    MG42 UA Today, 17:27 PM | The first tank made for Thailand was shown in Kharkov
    Quote: Kars
    I pretend to be wrong about mistakes)))))
    Yes. Since when you started boiling, you started writing without them, when a woman gives birth = she screams in her native language <17 moments of spring>
    Quote: Kars

    So I only offer)
    Especially if you figure out who logged in Bormann, bully
    Quote: Kars

    In the red corner I have a Tank Helmet
    Like this helmet ..


    Okay, you want it, believe it or not, but your conclusions about mistakes and my spelling are not correct at all)))) Although I personally am sorry.

    And are you not afraid that your multi-accounts will burn?


    I will take a helmet if they give me a present.
  • itkul
    itkul 27 June 2013 14: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: MG42
    You are not the only one .. I, too.


    Yes, as would I, too, although I don’t know who the car is, but I don’t see any comments
  • sashka
    sashka 27 June 2013 12: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    For all that, the conveyor is the same as the workers, therefore the pace is albeit weak, despite a good load.

    You won’t build much with lawyers and economists .. The rates will fall from year to year. Retirees leave and there are simply no new hard workers. They destroyed not only the Army and Education. Why didn’t I like the vocational school ???
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 27 June 2013 17: 03 New
    0
    Well, Ukraine itself has not been able to produce anything for a long time, that’s the T-80.
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 27 June 2013 21: 13 New
    0
    Quote: leon-iv
    And they say in RuNet this is a converted UD-shki from an experimental batch.


    It would be, by the way, very logical if that were done.
    Why would Ukraine need a combat vehicle in the amount of 10 (or 6, if the 4 T-84s that went to the USA were from the Ukrainian Armed Forces) units with uncertain prospects for further production?
  • Eric
    Eric 27 June 2013 09: 59 New
    -4
    Quote: Karavan
    The tank is beautiful, but the question is for specialists: such pixel disguise, is it really better than traditional?

    Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 June 2013 10: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Eric
      Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.

      laughing
    2. Alexander-Tomsk
      Alexander-Tomsk 27 June 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Eric
      Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.


      Excuse me, it's green! In the front gardens and flowerbeds will it be disguised?
    3. Gato
      Gato 27 June 2013 12: 42 New
      +1
      And for playing MineCraft is very suitable laughing
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 27 June 2013 13: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Eric
        Disguise for a city with right angles and square architecture.

        Here is an example of pointless minus. A person is not a specialist, a technical question, not an ideological one. Here you can be wrong. Point out the error, explain if you know more.
        Why are you negative?
        Do you consider yourself the smartest? But I think it's stupid!
        You understand everything like a pro, what are you commenting on?
        Marshal Vladimirimets, you greatly disappointed me.
        In the Soviet school, we were taught to help the weak, and not to lower them in the minus.
        I minus the same, but only ideological opponents.
        Man to man is a wolf?
        1. Gato
          Gato 27 June 2013 13: 37 New
          0
          Alexey, the claim is not for me. In general, I never minus anyone - this is a principled position. But stupid is to answer questions that the commentator does not understand. Just pleased about the right angles and square architecture.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 27 June 2013 13: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Gato
            But stupid is to answer questions that the commentator does not understand.

            I think that our (with permission) site is military patriotic.
            Almost all patriots here, but there are not many specialists in the military.
            And if a person made a mistake, correct him, cheer up and tomorrow he will help you, and if in the negative of him, then who will cover your back in battle the day after tomorrow?
            We must help each other. I mean the patriots of Russia.
            ps And Little Russia / Ukraine is the same.
            "The Russian-Ukrainian border is the Russian Berlin Wall" (C)
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 27 June 2013 14: 34 New
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          Man to man is a wolf?

          You do not have to judge people by your avatar.
          Quote: ATATA
          Why are you negative?
          Do you consider yourself the smartest? But I think it's stupid!
          You understand everything like a pro, what are you commenting on?
          Marshal Vladimirimets, you greatly disappointed me.

          In general, the question was to “specialists,” a man categorically explains why such camouflage was, and this pleased us. I am not the most pro in this matter and also wanted to listen to the experts, but since there is nobody there, I will try.
          In general, such a camouflage was developed by amers in the early 80s, it is believed that such a pixel color best erodes the contours of a camouflaged object. There is a myth that the object in such camouflage is more difficult to see in the night vision zone. I tried to look at a person in the NVD in the "figure", there are no special differences from ordinary camouflage. Apparently, the prototype of such a color is the ships before and during WWII, when they were painted with chaotic geometric figures of different colors (mainly white, gray and black) that blur the silhouette of the ship against the shore. The use of such camouflage on the tank shown, in my opinion, does not carry any sacred meaning and is simply a tribute to fashion and a hint of modern development.
          And as for the disappointment, well, divorce and maiden name. request
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 27 June 2013 14: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Vladimirets
            . I am not the most pro in this matter and also wanted to listen to the experts, but since there is nobody there, I will try.

            This was what we had to start with. hi
  • chauvinist
    chauvinist 27 June 2013 10: 02 New
    0
    The right direction was chosen by the Ukrainians, they are modernizing a good T-80 tank. Too bad the devils from UVZ ruined the object 195
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 27 June 2013 10: 49 New
      +3
      The dual impression.
      On the one hand, the T-80 is probably the pinnacle of the development of Soviet tank building (I don’t know if this applies to the T-80UD - the answer probably depends on the nationality of the responder wink ).
      On the other hand, I recall the opinion of one of the participants in Murakhovsky - who served on them: the tank is not for war, but for peacetime.
      And one of the tankers was still a SA: it’s good that the T-72 did, otherwise the T-62 would have cost.
      Accordingly, the Bastions are all - the modernization of the T-80 is certainly good, but apparently not for a real war.

      Although - sincere congratulations to the factory workers - Well done.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 27 June 2013 11: 45 New
        +2
        Yes, the T-80 is an expensive and complex tank, unlike the T-72, which can be assembled on the Wagonmash, but it is much better. The T-80 is a more maneuverable and high-speed tank, has the best SLAs, and the T-72 is the T-34’s heir, unpretentious, cheap (relatively cheap), simple tank.
        1. chauvinist
          chauvinist 27 June 2013 13: 05 New
          0
          The Zerg rush concept is outdated, absolutely all Western counterparts have t-72s.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 27 June 2013 13: 47 New
            0
            Quote: chauvinist
            The Zerg rush concept is outdated, absolutely all Western counterparts have t-72s.

            Specify what do you mean specifically?
            I completely did not understand the meaning of your phrase!
  • crush
    crush 27 June 2013 10: 26 New
    -4
    one tank in 3 years :) Anyway, we will knock out the invaders from the Russian Crimea. Better in the good way, Ukrainians, get out of the Crimea. Otherwise, we will cut you
    1. chauvinist
      chauvinist 27 June 2013 10: 45 New
      0
      Fecal masses in you do not give rest?
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. 3dmaxsev
      3dmaxsev 27 June 2013 10: 45 New
      +1
      The provocateur troll whom you are planning to slaughter in the Crimea is where the majority of the population is Russian, although I think most Ukrainians are Russian. Question to the administration, for such a provocation banyat?
  • ded10041948
    ded10041948 27 June 2013 10: 27 New
    +2
    I don’t know how it is now, but before the Malaysians did not do hack work! Let's hope that the tradition is preserved and another plant can be saved.
  • Akim
    Akim 27 June 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    Photo taken from the Kharkov video. BMPV-55 and BMPT-64. Thais are offered to do this with their M48.
  • beer brewing
    beer brewing 27 June 2013 11: 03 New
    0
    Question to experts: And with whom was Thailand going to fight?
    1. experienced
      experienced 27 June 2013 11: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: brewspusonelise
      And who was going to fight Thailand?

      They have a “grater” with Cambodia, and indeed Kadafi was also not going to fight with anyone, he was friends with Berlusconi and Sarkozy, he gave them money, developed the Libyan economy ... The result is known hi
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 27 June 2013 11: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: brewspusonelise
      And who was going to fight Thailand?

      Si vis pacem, bellum for
      (want peace, get ready for war)
    3. Alexander D.
      28 June 2013 00: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: brewspusonelise
      Question to experts: And with whom was Thailand going to fight?

      There, what is Korea alone worth !!! And in general, weapons are not bought in order to fight, but in order not to want to fight with you.
      Quote:
      I’m not afraid of a man who needs ten atomic bombs, I’m afraid of the one who needs only one!
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 27 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    Mdya honestly glad for ordinary workers very much. They even have a job.
    According to the sabzh tank, the paper's ambiguous performance is pretty good. As will be in reality time will tell. More precisely, it will really be possible to judge a tank when it runs intensively with Thais for 2-3 years.
  • bremest
    bremest 27 June 2013 11: 17 New
    +1
    On the basis of the T-80, something bad cannot happen .....
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 27 June 2013 11: 46 New
    +1
    What can I say - well done, live moving.
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 27 June 2013 11: 56 New
    +1
    How tired of that. Another high-tech weapon, even the best in the world, but not for Ukraine, but for another country. This is just a shame. Not a shame of designers, of course, but this *** full-time power. To supply others with those for which they have no money. Well, I don’t believe that you can’t find the means to buy a couple of hundred “Bulat” or even “Oplotov”. It is terrible to imagine the scale of theft from all possible budgets.
    1. itkul
      itkul 27 June 2013 13: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Kowalsky
      Well, I don’t believe that you cannot find the means to purchase a couple of hundred “Bulat” or even “Oplotov”


      Why should Ukraine have an army at all, but Russia gave you security guarantees for refusing to use nuclear weapons. Belarus sold its planes and deployed a Russian air base, and you still have our base in Sevastopol
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 June 2013 13: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: itkul
        Why does Ukraine need an army at all, Russia gave you security guarantees for the renunciation of nuclear weapons

        This is of course politics, but it also applied to my classmates. On Tuzla this was not noticeable.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 27 June 2013 14: 47 New
          -1
          Quote: Akim
          This is of course politics, but it also applied to my classmates. On Tuzla this was not noticeable.

          Share in more detail, if not difficult.
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 June 2013 18: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: ATATA
            Share in more detail, if not difficult.

            When they bring the border guards to a state of increased combat readiness, they distribute the armor plates (about which in August of the same 2003 at the Russian border, one could only imagine in nightmarish thoughts). They brought AGSs (thank God they didn’t even collect them.) They put an excavator in order to remove it if the dam crosses the border. The team of this vessel is scared. They first fell into the pan. At that time, in our unit, even without cable, Russian television channels caught and diarrhea also came from there. They remembered the Kuruchuk-Kunjay agreement and Russian journalists demanded to give Crimea -Turkey. Even the Turkish ambassador in Kiev had to say that Turkey did not pretend to Crimea.
            Everything was calm in the troops (in our case, anyway). Why classmates ...
            Two, after graduation, buyers were lured to the border guards and both went home to the Eastern regions. Who knew that such garbage would happen in three years.
            Well, drove her and good. This year it will be 10 years. Let it be only a skirmish between brothers - as in an ordinary family.
    2. sashka
      sashka 27 June 2013 14: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Kowalsky
      To supply others with those for which they have no money. Well, I don’t believe that you can’t find the means to buy a couple of hundred “Bulat” or even “Oplotov”. It is terrible to imagine the scale of theft from all possible budgets.

      Imagine what it is for us? And most importantly, besides us, this does not interest anyone. I'm talking about Russia ..
  • sashka
    sashka 27 June 2013 14: 33 New
    0
    Ingenious was the man who first said the word "investment." Then it went. Innovation, modernization, privatization, optimization .. Maybe she just sniffed with a hangover. And we are already here .. Performing ..
  • Algor73
    Algor73 27 June 2013 15: 36 New
    0
    May God grant to fulfill the contract and revive the plant. Although tanks are very specific products, there are not so many buyers. It may be true that the plant is being redesigned for the development and production of armored personnel carriers.
    1. Alexander D.
      28 June 2013 00: 13 New
      0
      Not true. Krauss-Maffei Wegmann produces tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and self-propelled guns - nothing, people are happy.
      Getting up after a strong knockout is always difficult. Now, thanks to this contract, the process of restoration of serial production of tanks is ongoing. And note, the process is not at our expense, but at the expense of Thais.
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 27 June 2013 18: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: YuriWhite
    Collect rubbish on the knee of the old (T-84, T-80, T-64 and so on) the same rubbish is unambiguous.

    not everyone can assemble from the "ultra-modern" T-72
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 June 2013 10: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: MRomanovich
      not everyone can assemble from the "ultra-modern" T-72

      What?
      He survived 17 upgrades and will still tolerate!
      Can you name a competitor?
  • Ducksar
    Ducksar 27 June 2013 20: 31 New
    +1
    designers outplayed in Minecraft
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 27 June 2013 21: 22 New
    0
    Can anyone explain why on the "Oplot-M" rubber shields on the tower, if they are adjacent to the armor?

    request
    1. Alexander D.
      28 June 2013 00: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Emelya
      Can anyone explain why on the "Oplot-M" rubber shields on the tower, if they are adjacent to the armor?

      request

      Previously (in the 80s), these rubber-fabric shields were used to smooth corners and thereby reduce the radar signature of the tank - something like the first attempts to use stealth technology on BM. True, then the tanks were not angular - I don’t know how it works now.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 27 June 2013 21: 37 New
    +1
    Congratulations to the Ukrainians and the staff of the Malyshev factory, it’s hard - but they gave birth to Oplot, albeit for the Thais for now, but maybe a dozen will be collected for Ukraine, good luck good
    1. Alexander D.
      28 June 2013 00: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: sergey158-29
      Congratulations to the Ukrainians and the staff of the Malyshev factory, it’s hard - but they gave birth to Oplot, albeit for the Thais for now, but maybe a dozen will be collected for Ukraine, good luck good

      God forbid, if they collect at least a dozen for Ukraine, the Romanians will start screaming about Ukraine’s aggression against them and imperialist manners (a joke). Let them gather, only so that no one knows about it.