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Polish Sejm officially accuses UPA of "ethnic cleansing with signs of genocide"

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Polish Sejm officially accuses UPA of "ethnic cleansing with signs of genocide"After two months of discussions, the Polish Sejm adopted a resolution accusing the Ukrainian insurgent army of "ethnic cleansing with signs of genocide", which took place in 1943 in Volyn. Reports about it "Radio Liberty".


"9 February 1943 was launched by the attack of UPA detachments on the Volyn village of Paroslya. A rough campaign of the physical destruction of the Poles, which was carried out by the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army," was said in the text of the resolution. According to the documents, about 100 of thousands of Poles perished as a result of ethnic cleansing, however, Polish deputies did not call such actions of the UPA genocide (despite the fact that according to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide for 1948, the definition of genocide much more "innocent" of its manifestations, for example, "direct and public incitement to commit genocide" - comment IA REGNUM).

The adoption of this document voted 55 deputies from 100.

Recall, as reported by REGNUM, earlier a scandal erupted between Poland and Ukraine regarding the intention of the Polish parliament to recognize the OUN and UPA as criminal organizations. On April 11, the corresponding bill was registered in the Sejm and accused the OUN and UPA of the genocide of the Polish population of Eastern Kresov in 1939-1947. Supporters of Ukrainian nationalist political forces demanded that the Polish Sejm not adopt a resolution. The official Kiev rose to the defense of the UPA and, accordingly, the resolution of the Polish Sejm addressed to him. Recall, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry then stated that "the adoption by the Polish Sejm of the statement on the recognition of the OUN-UPA as a criminal organization will not correspond to the high level of strategic partnership between the two countries." Meanwhile, after the adoption of the document, the deputies of the parliamentary nationalist party "Svoboda" stated that they would register in the Verkhovna Rada a bill recognizing the criminal organization of the Polish Home Army and accuse it of the genocide of Ukrainian peasants.
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  1. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 24 June 2013 12: 36
    21
    In general, the Psheks created the end of the camp where they killed Soviet soldiers ... when will we remember that?
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 24 June 2013 12: 38
      10
      Chuck-Norris

      This is a separate issue. This is a clarification of relations between Warsaw and Moscow.

      And the article voiced the scandal between Kiev and Warsaw. This is what we are discussing.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 24 June 2013 12: 46
        22
        Official Kiev also stood up for the UPA. Ukraine, where are we going? Rather rolled down? Meanwhile, after the adoption of the document, the deputies of the parliamentary nationalist party "Svoboda" announced that they would register in the Verkhovna Rada a bill on the recognition of the Polish Home Army as a criminal organization and accuse it of genocide of Ukrainian peasants. Banal throwing each other with poop ... "Fun" will be like snowballing in winter ...
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 24 June 2013 13: 13
          19
          Only today I quoted here the book of the head of Kovpakov’s intelligence, Major General Pyotr Vershigory, “People with a clear conscience”

          Here is an excerpt from this book on the atrocities of Ukrainian nationalists in relation to the Polish population:

          ... many nationalists left Rivne, Lutsk, Vladimir-Volynsk, Dubno and other centers of Western Ukraine at the signal of their leadership, until then faithfully serving the Germans in the Gestapo, police, and gendarmerie. Gone into the woods, the whole world divulging their desire to beat the Germans.
          They beat Germans in words and in declarations, in leaflets, one of them even had a visa from a German printing house in Lutsk. But in fact, engaged in the massacre of peaceful Poles.
          Naturally, the civilian population turned to the German authorities, begging to protect them from this arbitrariness. And the German authorities in different cities and regions answered word for word the same thing: “Our troops are all busy at the front.
          The only way we can help you is to give weapons. Defend yourself.
          But we will give weapons on condition that the Poles go to the police and put on the shutsman uniform. "

          The population of the surrounding areas is mixed. Since ancient times, Poles, Ukrainians and Jews have been living here.
          Occasionally, purely Polish villages are found, more often Ukrainian, and more people live mixed. Tonight, a group of fifty armed men burst into one of the small Polish villages, a thirty-hut forest farmhouse. Unknown people surrounded the village, put up posts, and then they began to walk from house to house in a row and destroy the inhabitants. Not execution, not execution, but brutal destruction. Not with shots, but with oak stakes on the head, axes.
          All men, old people, women, children. Then, apparently drunk from blood and senseless killing, they began to torture their victims. Cut, pricked, strangled.
          Having a decent experience of the war and knowing well the style of the German punishers, I still did not fully believe the story of the scouts. I haven’t seen this before.
          - Yes, you guys, wait! Maybe you have come across someone with fear?
          - What a mess! - in a hurry to tell Lapin. - We ourselves were in this village ... We quietly, gardens, made our way and saw everything with our own eyes.

          The boy, who had still looked at us with wide eyes, suddenly spoke:
          - Won entered the hut and immediately began to twist our arms ... "Speak, Mazurian muzzle, where is the gold? .."
          - And the tatka's bones crack, and we cry.
          .. - said the girl.
          - Then one took the ax and chopped his head.
          - Yeah, and then they began to beat everyone, and torture, and chop.
          - And the remainder strangled the granny on the stove...
          Children vied with each other to tell us the details of this terrible picture. They spoke childishly, simply, maybe to the end without understanding the terrible meaning of their story. They, with childish impassivity, which the most fair court cannot have, spoke only of facts.
          - But how did you yourself survive? - escaped from Bazym.
          - And in the yard the arrows started, and they quickly ran out into the street. Sashko’s last run, he scored our armor from a pistol ...
          - And we are alive, we are with mom. We shuffled under the meadow ...
          - And then yours, he, they went into the hut and found us ...
          - So, so, pro pana, it was so. Jyatki truth, the old man mumbled.
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 24 June 2013 13: 25
            16
            Most of all I was shocked by one episode from this book, which tells that the OUNites had to kill even their own wives and children if they had an admixture of Polish blood.

            READ AND REMEMBER WHO SUCH ARE THE OUNS !!!!

            Vasyl from Gorynya approached me. Patting my horse in the neck, he quietly said:
            - Good conic. Has our driver already told you? About children and about Zhinka?
            - Told. How can they ... children ...
            - So he himself killed them ...
            I stopped stunned. The carter sharply turned his face towards us, distorted by a grimace of madness. Raising his fists over his head, he wheezed:
            - Vasilyu-oo-yo ... - further in his throat gurgled, and he fell face down into the straw.
            We are behind. Vasyl spoke quietly:
            - I know him. He was a liaison with the Black Crow. Before your Shvaika, on the instructions of Saburov, I was in the cikh lands. He also worked on the connection. He was considered educated by them. Reading books about "Vilna Cossacks". I even went for a promotion ...
            And then their order came out: to cut the Poles ...
            And he has a wife, Ruzya. Around all cut out. At first he saved his own. He also moved his wife’s sister and uterus to himself. This ruined them. They thought no one would touch.
            And then these main ones arrived. Kurkul sons - they all sit at headquarters.
            "Come on, my friend, prove to us that you are a big Ukrainian ..."
            And forced: first Zhinka do it yourself ...
            And then they went into a rage: "And cut the children!" - they say.
            But he couldn’t. So they finished in front of his children.
            For a long time afterwards he seemed like a madman, twice he was taken out of the loop.
            So here we have Ukraine self-sufficient! he said with bitterness and contempt. “And who invented it?” Do not know?
        2. Interface
          Interface 24 June 2013 13: 27
          +4
          Official Kiev also stood up for the UPA.



          This is so as not to lose face type. Like, the Poles adopted the law --- and then we will accept.
          Like two children: "you pee in my pot and I am no longer my friend ..." laughing
        3. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 24 June 2013 13: 47
          +6
          Quote: Tersky
          Banal throwing each other with poop ... "Fun" will be like snowballing in winter ...

          Hardly a relevant comparison. There is a mutual, very old massacre. Mutual ethnic cleansing of vast territories.
          Given that the Poles are directly related to the very creation of the "Ukrainian" nationality on the territory of Austrian Galicia.
        4. domokl
          domokl 24 June 2013 15: 35
          +1
          And who turned out to be bolder? Are we who only mumble from the excess of tolerance and political correctness, or the Poles, on whose territory and with the active participation of which millions and millions of prisoners were destroyed?
          Whatever Ukrainian nationalists say now, the word is also said to Poland, in which case, it will provide all the evidence.
        5. Doctor
          Doctor 24 June 2013 16: 33
          +1
          [quote = Tersky][bKi] The official Kiev also stood up for the UPA. - ??? Ukraine is not rolling or sliding anywhere! Deputies from "Svoboda" are very, very far from "official Kiev"! In addition, some deputies have little resemblance to the mentality of the Ukrainians (aggression is off the charts - not typical!), Rather to Poles or Austrians. So let them leave poop, this is their favorite pastime.
          1. domokl
            domokl 24 June 2013 18: 01
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            Ukraine does not roll anywhere

            Quote: Arzt
            on the mentality, some deputies have little resemblance to the Ukrainians (aggression rolls over - not typical!), more likely to Poles or Austrians.

            Well, of course. And the Egyptians chose them in the Parliament ... We have to face the truth. As much as it would not be disgusting to us, but these deputies are legally elected. And that means they express the interests of some part of the Ukrainian people.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 24 June 2013 19: 06
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            Deputies from "Svoboda" are very, very far from "official Kiev"!

            Have you read the article carefully? I quoteLet us remind you that the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry then said that "the adoption by the Polish Seim of the statement on the recognition of the OUN-UPA as a criminal organization would not meet the high level of strategic partnership between the two countries."Or do you think that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine also depends on Svoboda? So it's not the electorate who throws poop ...
          3. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 24 June 2013 20: 33
            +3
            Quote: Arzt
            Deputies from "Svoboda" are very, very far from "official Kiev"!

            Who, then, are they? After all, the deputy of the Ukrainian RADA is an official! Yes, they came from Galicia ... the nest of Bandera's supporters ... the last of the war criminals for the most part, as they swore allegiance to Adolf G. as part of the Essesovsky units. And the "SS" is recognized by the international tribunal as a criminal military organization.
            And the feuds between the Galichinians and the Poles have long ... from that moment, they especially escalated, when the UPA-OUN allegedly "declared war" on Hitler's Germany and their allies ... There is only one reason - the Poles, after the failure of the war of the young republic of Soviets under the leadership of Marshal TUKHACHEVSKY , occupied very large territories of the ZAP. UKRAINE .... carried out ethnic cleansing there (or simply - a massacre!) ... From 1939 to 41, and then from 1943, when many of these lands returned under the banner of "Ridnaya Nenya UKRAINE", a reciprocal massacre began. In Lviv, at the Lychakiv cemetery in the 90s. for more than 10 years they have been coordinating the memorial text on the monument to the common grave of Polish soldiers. Ukrainians did not miss the phrase "Eternal memory to those who fell for the freedom of the Fatherland!" At the same time, the CENTER (KIEV) was "FOR", and the local "nationally correctly oriented" authorities were not in any way. So these "misunderstandings" between Ukrainians and Poles have a long history.
    2. experienced
      experienced 24 June 2013 12: 42
      +5
      Well, not one Russia is to blame laughing It will be interesting to watch this part of the "Marlezon Ballet". Now mutual claims and calls for material compensation will pour in, knowing the logs and the Ukrainians, I foresee the amount of compensation in multibillion-dollar amounts.
      I think that the Ukrainian authorities themselves are to blame, starting to make heroes from the OUN and UPA. If they hadn’t touched it ... oh, it wouldn’t have stolen
      By the way, someone recently stated that the Ukrainian army is redundant, because the neighborhood is normal. repeat
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 24 June 2013 13: 15
        16
        Quote: seasoned
        It will be interesting to watch this part of the "Marlezon Ballet".

        Hello Lesha! Map ballet will be more precise, or dancing on the bones .. well, and so will be even shorter ..
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 24 June 2013 14: 24
          +5
          In the photo, grandfathers are 60-65 years old, a maximum of 70. This is what they fought from 1943 to 1958. Is it that they were 5-10 years old, a maximum of 15?) I always got these mummers. Those who fought on the side of the Nazis, they are already under 90 years old.
        2. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 24 June 2013 20: 29
          0
          When is the photo taken? If the appeal is 23 years old to 43 years old, then they are 67 years old in 1990.
      2. Manager
        Manager 24 June 2013 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        By the way, someone recently stated that the Ukrainian army is redundant, because the neighborhood is normal.


        If you have a python at home in the next room, and feed it regularly, or give the opportunity to crawl neighbors' cats at night to eat, then you can weave ropes from it! You cannot find a calmer friend. But with ... but try not to give him 10 days to tear? Who will your neighbor turn into?
        So the "Lyakhovs" seem to have run out of rabbits and all the cats have been devoured, it's the neighbor's turn .. And knowing the Poles, they still have those ambitions. The truth is not supported by anything.
        1. dima1970
          dima1970 24 June 2013 18: 07
          0
          Why don't you like cats so much ??? Or, on the contrary, you need to keep an eye on you so that the cats from your neighbors do not disappear? "What managers have in mind is in their language" is a popular proverb.
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 24 June 2013 20: 38
          0
          Quote: Manager
          So the "Lyakhovs" seem to have run out of their own rabbits and all the cats have been devoured, it's the neighbor's turn

          ... read a little history ... for grade 10 ... then you will not be so bloodthirsty for rabbits and cats ... Both sides shed so much blood that it’s even scary to imagine ...
    3. Very old
      Very old 24 June 2013 14: 08
      +2
      Never. We are GENERAL. This P. for 1000 years drove either the Teutons or some other scum to Russia. And ours were always afraid of offending "brothers"
      1. Manager
        Manager 24 June 2013 17: 15
        -1
        Quote: Very old
        Never. We are GENERAL. This P. for 1000 years drove either the Teutons or some other scum to Russia. And ours were always afraid of offending "brothers"

        They are not brothers to us, these Lyakhs are corrupt.
        1. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 24 June 2013 20: 46
          0
          Quote: Manager
          They are not brothers to us

          So no one invited you to this kin ... and a history textbook should be read ... The Grand Duchy of Lithuania is also written there ... as well as the fact that Poland under the EAGLE OF RUSSIAN existed more than an independent state ... Yes, and SUVOROV until the age of 43 he only commanded the hospital ... and when it was required to pacify the rebellious Poles, he did with success, the star of our commander went up very high ...
  2. aviamed90
    aviamed90 24 June 2013 12: 36
    +6
    Finally, the Poles "turned on" the memory!
  3. Iraclius
    Iraclius 24 June 2013 12: 46
    +7
    Now the Nazis in Ukraine will start yelling that Moscow’s hands are to blame too!
    I am glad that historical truth triumphs here too! OUN and UPA are criminals and nothing else!
  4. Gazai
    Gazai 24 June 2013 12: 48
    0
    Maybe after the Poles, the rest of our neighbors will finally begin to remember what was actually, and not what they are steadily imposing !!!
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 24 June 2013 12: 51
    0
    Something the Psheks fanned out. enlightened Europe will not understand them, how can it spy on the allies. Have they forgotten that civilization has only one ENEMY, and this enemy doesn’t? or honored misters hope to chop off themselves Kiev?
  6. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 24 June 2013 12: 54
    +3
    Well, the PANDORA box has opened and the people of UKRAINE POLAND AND RUSSIA are now pitting Western people for fun — someone is maliciously rubbing their hands, let it go on and on. am
    1. Stamp
      Stamp 24 June 2013 16: 55
      +3
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      the peoples of UKRAINE POLAND AND RUSSIA now bleed for the fun of the West

      The Western public doesn't really need this. Recently there was EURO 2012 Ukraine + Poland. Poland is Ukraine's partner in the European arena, with the arrival of Yanukovych it is less, but under Yushchenko it was clearly expressed. The Svoboda party is another matter, it was recently expelled from the Euronazik union, and Germany is scrupulous about this topic.
  7. Avenger711
    Avenger711 24 June 2013 13: 12
    +3
    The Poles invented the Ukrainians and, as a result, they raided them. I don’t feel sorry for the Psheks, they also need to get compensation for the prisoners of war of 1920, and for Katyn’s lies, but the actions of Ukrainian bandits must be correctly classified with us, with appropriate sanctions for fans.

    criminal organization of the Polish Army of Craiova


    From the point of view of the Red Army, this, by the way, is also a gang that had to be caught in the forests.
    1. RPD
      RPD 24 June 2013 13: 20
      +1
      Meanwhile, after the adoption of the document, the deputies of the parliamentary nationalist party "Svoboda" announced that they would register in the Verkhovna Rada a bill on the recognition of the Polish Home Army as a criminal organization and accuse it of genocide of Ukrainian peasants.

      biting spiders in a jar
  8. kind
    kind 24 June 2013 13: 18
    0
    Official Kiev also stood up for the UPA

    Who is this? It is disgusting to hear how Ukraine protects its criminals.
  9. 123tank
    123tank 24 June 2013 13: 23
    0
    It is surprising that the Poles "sank" to this. Before that they licked the back seat of Ukrainian nationalists. And so-called official Kiev is good too.
  10. crush
    crush 24 June 2013 13: 33
    +2
    State Duma also needs to condemn Ukrainians in genocide
  11. orient
    orient 24 June 2013 13: 36
    +3
    Unfortunately, all this has "legs growing" from the times of "ruins" ... Let's remember how the Poles, with the support of the Cossacks of Hetman Sagaidachny, reached Moscow (and the Cossacks were not allowed there ...), how some Russian boyars opened its gates for them and what happened next ... And the famous "went out" (slogan) "Great Poland from sea to sea!" what is it worth. So there is nothing to be surprised at. And then and now there is an elementary struggle for territory and, accordingly, survival. But how will it end ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 24 June 2013 13: 43
      +3
      Quote: orient
      Let us recall how the Poles, with the support of the Cossacks of the hetman Sagaidachny, reached Moscow

      1618, and 1945, three centuries and three decades between these events, you already start from the Old Testament ..., drink it like that ...
      1. orient
        orient 24 June 2013 13: 57
        +3
        I agree, three centuries have passed, but hostility and even in some places hatred does not pass ... Does this surprise you? And, in spite of the signed agreements on friendship, etc., they probably will not work out ... People have too strong memory, and there are also skillful "friends" on the side who do not let everyone forget.
        1. Very old
          Very old 24 June 2013 14: 25
          +2
          Toolenka, I repeat once again: half r. half y. But my father was not wounded in battle, but in Lviv. In the back. It was necessary to drive the Hans, but stayed on the "brotherly" land. My father always had RIDNA NENKA in 1st place, Russia in second. But he fought for you and me
        2. VADIMKRSK
          VADIMKRSK 24 June 2013 18: 46
          0
          Friends are always somewhere nearby. Always show the enemy. There he is, your brother! Kill him! He's stopping you from living. He is a neighbor ...
  12. Vtel
    Vtel 24 June 2013 13: 38
    +1
    And why is it that suddenly their love has passed from the Poles to the Banderaites - although there is a silver lining. Both those and others have always been with Russia like a bone in the throat, so they "loved" us. Now whoever has a longer tail will bark among themselves. But the simple and kind, may the Lord rest the souls.
  13. orient
    orient 24 June 2013 14: 06
    +3
    Quote: Vtel
    And why did it suddenly have their love passed by the Poles for Bandera

    Yes, the Poles never had love for Ukrainians, but there were constant attempts to assimilate people as much as possible. After all, how many words in the Ukrainian language are of Polish origin? And the ancestors of the "Bandera" were not Ukrainians, but Rusyns, who fell into dependence either from Austria-Hungary or from Poland. After all, so much has already been written about this that there is no point in repeating it.
  14. KILLAvolt
    KILLAvolt 24 June 2013 14: 32
    +1
    This should have been recognized from the very beginning and throughout the world! Nazism-EVIL !!!
  15. individual
    individual 24 June 2013 14: 33
    +1
    It is strange that 45 deputies out of 100 of the Polish Seim did not agree with the fact that there was an action of physical destruction of Poles, Banderas and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army "in 1943. And there was a genocide of the Polish population.
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 24 June 2013 15: 00
      +2
      So 45 of them serve not the interests of their people, but whose interests are known.
  16. 128mgb
    128mgb 24 June 2013 14: 56
    +1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    In the photo, grandfathers are 60-65 years old, a maximum of 70. This is what they fought from 1943 to 1958. Is it that they were 5-10 years old, a maximum of 15?) I always got these mummers. Those who fought on the side of the Nazis, they are already under 90 years old.

    People who do not know the reproaches of conscience live longer.
  17. Constantine
    Constantine 24 June 2013 14: 59
    +1
    After such statements of one of the members of NATO and the EU, Ukraine does not have any chance of membership in these structures. In my opinion, everything was made clear here. It is strange that the Poles condemn fascism and genocide selectively, but still a good move. If Kiev stubbornly stands up for "Bendera", it will lose more than if it gives this trash to what it deserves. Otherwise, Ukraine will be branded and if it continues to adhere to the EU, then it will generally be considered a country only formally.

    It is strange that the nationalist forces supported by the Western bloc are betraying one of the elements of this bloc. This is strange.
  18. crush
    crush 24 June 2013 15: 04
    0
    Ukrainians should kneel down and repent before the Poles, Jews, Hungarians, Russians, Belarusians for genocide. Otherwise, they will be forced to their knees and forced to repent.
  19. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 24 June 2013 15: 31
    +1
    one of the few events where the positions of Russia and Poland coincide. It is worth helping the pshek, but the benefit will be to us from cutting fascist shortcomings
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 24 June 2013 17: 48
      0
      When fools fight, a sober one does not climb, since you can only win under the eye, or under both, then two fight - one on the left, the other on the right. We must wait and write down everything they say in the "Black Book" and then, that God forgets, then remind him. Now they will help us rewrite the Khrushchev-Gorbachev history, and for new history textbooks they will throw facts about which no one will say that we have invented all this.
  20. 34REG
    34REG 24 June 2013 15: 56
    +1
    Well, now Ukrainian "historians" have one more headache, like this abomination, to blame the actions of the NKVD, aimed at "discrediting the underground among the peaceful peasants of Western Ukraine", to correct Ryasny's long-suffering letter to Stalin again, probably.
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 24 June 2013 17: 55
      +1
      Yes, there were already such attempts, when they wrote that the NKVD-Schnicks went over to the side of the Germans and became guards of German concentration camps, mocked them, and all this so that our prisoners of war would not seem like raspberries in captivity. They probably forgot that the Germans had so many camp guards that they assembled the Das Reich division.
  21. darksoul
    darksoul 24 June 2013 16: 00
    +2
    Something new, usually the Poles are barking at the Red Army, but here at the UFA .... I praise
  22. Cat
    Cat 24 June 2013 16: 14
    0
    In response to the jerking of the yasnovemozhnogozhnikh, I propose the following activities:
    1. Recognize the fact of the genocide of Poles by Ukrainians.
    2. To ward off the memorial on this occasion (preferably - next to some airfield)
    3. Plant in the vicinity of a birch grove (from seedlings purchased at the Smolensk forestry)
    4. On the occasion of the next anniversary of the genocide - to invite the official delegation of the Polish Sejm to ceremonies.
    5. ?
    6. PROFIT !!!


    And if all countries hold such events at different times, who have been abused by peaceful Poles - you see, after a few pans they realize a simple truth: you need to make friends and agree with your neighbors on the map, and not look for another reason for the next sergeant.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 24 June 2013 16: 27
      0
      What edges will you be from?
      1. Cat
        Cat 24 June 2013 16: 50
        -2
        I am xoxol. Thoroughbred. Thoroughbred =)
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 24 June 2013 20: 16
          0
          Then the question is - how do you feel about another promoted genocide - "Holodomor"? this is Ukraine rolls a barrel to Russia.
          (as a joke - "a Ukrainian lives in Ukraine, and a crest is better there" - so what are you from? wink )
          1. Cat
            Cat 25 June 2013 04: 58
            0
            Quote: bddrus
            Then the question is - how do you feel about another promoted genocide - "Holodomor"?

            I have a very negative attitude towards all those scum who try to get hold of material, political, or some other dividends - hiding behind the words about the grief and suffering of the great-grandfathers-great-grandfathers. Be it the Holodomor, Katyn, the Holocaust, or something else like that.
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 24 June 2013 20: 54
          -1
          Quote: Cat
          I am xoxol

          ... and then, in Old Slavonic, do you utter this truth ... but with the spelling, which was already under Muscovy, and not under Kievan Rus?
          1. Cat
            Cat 25 June 2013 05: 06
            0
            Quote: KazaK Bo
            ..and then, in Old Slavonic, do you utter this truth ... but with the spelling that was already under Muscovy, and not during Kievan Rus?

            Old Slavonic, if you are not in the know, is the language of our common ancestors. Accordingly, I have exactly the same rights to use it as Russians and Belarusians =)
            As for the spelling ... with all my great desire, I cannot use the spelling that was "under Muscovy" (as well as the one that was under Kievan Rus). The reason is the banal absence of the corresponding letters on the keyboard. request Yes, and with knowledge of the grammar of the Old Slavonic language, I, too, are not very what
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 24 June 2013 18: 04
      0
      But if someone remembers that in some German divisions near Kursk in 43 there were from 20 to 40% of Poles, Ounovtsy will be equated with the partisans who avenged the Poles for participating in the war against the USSR on the side of Germany.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 24 June 2013 19: 03
        0
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        But if someone remembers that in some German divisions near Kursk in 43 there were from 20 to 40% of Poles, Ounovtsy will be equated with the partisans who avenged the Poles for participating in the war against the USSR on the side of Germany.

        Near Kursk, from the Wehrmacht, about 1 million soldiers and officers participated, hardly 200-400 thousand of them could be Poles.
        During the entire war, about 450 thousand Poles were called up to the Wehrmacht: Volksdeutsche, Silesians and Kashubians, 250 thousand were killed on the Eastern Front, 60 thousand Poles were captured.
        The OUN members were hardly supporters of the USSR, they had their showdown with the Poles.
    3. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 24 June 2013 20: 52
      0
      Quote: Cat
      Recognize the fact of the genocide of Poles by Ukrainians.

      ... it has already been recognized ... as well as from the Poles of the atrocities and genocide of Ukrainians ... and the rest of the proposals ... there is something reasonable ... but only in Humpback would be put on an aspen stake ... as a traitor and official who allowed the distortion of historical facts according to Katyn ... with extremely negative consequences ... for our country!
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  24. korwet
    korwet 24 June 2013 16: 27
    +3
    And let not all squabble among themselves, but they should roll a barrel in Russia!
  25. 34REG
    34REG 24 June 2013 16: 38
    +2
    Probably the flow of fantasy of the Polish historical "science" was limited to the Katyn story, presented by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, where the NKVD in 1940, when shooting Polish officers, already knew that the Germans would reach Smolensk and therefore, during the execution, they used purely German weapons and, with purely German accuracy, made ditches "along a string. ", and as one Polish" historian "tells, who participated in the exhumation as a member of the German commission, the pockets of the executed were full of Polish occupation zlotys, the release of which on the general's territory began in 1940, despite the fact that the officers were captured in 1939. , and in the camps of the NKVD, prisoners were strictly forbidden to have money with them, and the officers' scarves were snow-white, after almost two years in the ground. And we keep quiet about the concentration camps of 1920-1922, where 75 thousand prisoners of the Red Army died from executions, hunger, diseases, Well, about the little things like the hospital in Minsk-Mazovetsky, cut out in 1944 by militants of the Home Army, where 200 wounded and medical personnel died, and so on. ..
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 24 June 2013 18: 40
      +2
      Quote: 34REG
      Probably the flow of fantasy of the Polish historical "science" was limited to the Katyn story, presented by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, where the NKVD in 1940, when shooting Polish officers, already knew that the Germans would reach Smolensk and therefore, during the execution, they used purely German weapons and, with purely German accuracy, made ditches "along a string. ", and as one Polish" historian "tells, who participated in the exhumation as a member of the German commission, the pockets of the executed were full

      The NKVD in Katyn did not shoot the Poles - this is a mean reception by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the company to discredit Stalin and the Soviet Union.
  26. Stamp
    Stamp 24 June 2013 16: 43
    +1
    The massacre was only a mutual fact, the Poles destroyed the Ukrainians and vice versa. At one time, Presidents Kuchma and Kwasniewski managed to close this topic by installing monuments in Poland and Ukraine.
    The 60th anniversary of the Volyn tragedy, which occurred in July 2003, was celebrated in Ukraine resonantly and at the highest official level. President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma and Poland - Alexander Kwasniewski met in the Volyn village of Pivka, where they unveiled a monument to the victims of the tragedy. The Ukrainian and Polish parliaments adopted a general statement, which noted that "the tragedies of the Poles, who were killed and driven away from their places of residence by the armed formations of the Ukrainians, were accompanied by exactly the same suffering of the Ukrainian civilian population - victims of Polish armed actions."
    The Volyn tragedy refers to those pages of Ukrainian history that we are trying to keep quiet or speak in an undertone. It has gone too deeply into the history of both Ukraine and Poland; for a long time it will be that scar that is no-no, but still reminds of itself. At the very least, this tragedy will be echoed to this day as long as those who consider themselves to be the injured party in this tragedy are alive. Moreover, both among Ukrainians and among Poles there will be those who believe that the truth is on their side. For every argument about innocent victims, a counterargument about victims on the other side will be put forward ...

    But the topic has been raised again, since Poland is the lobbyist of Ukraine in European integration, it’s just the time to put the stick in the wheel, ruining the partnership.
  27. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 24 June 2013 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    In the photo, grandfathers are 60-65 years old, a maximum of 70. This is what they fought from 1943 to 1958. Is it that they were 5-10 years old, a maximum of 15?) I always got these mummers. Those who fought on the side of the Nazis, they are already under 90 years old.

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  28. 34REG
    34REG 24 June 2013 16: 58
    -1
    Ukraine needs to follow the tried and tested path: to assemble a parliamentary commission, which will "painstakingly work in the secret Warsaw archives" and will conclude that the massacre of the Poles is the work of the Poles themselves, who learned the language and traditions of the Galicians in top-secret Warsaw schools, dressed in the UPA uniform and cut the Polish population in order to discredit the UPA and rivet some letter from Peratsky-Bek, and everything is normal, the Poles are brutes and executioners, and the UPA is heroes.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 24 June 2013 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: 34REG
      Ukraine needs to follow the tried and tested path: to assemble a parliamentary commission that "will laboriously work in the secret Warsaw archives" and will make a conclusion that the massacre of Poles is the work of the Poles themselves,

      This is where you dig this? Don’t share the link? We forum users are inquisitive people, with great pleasure to get acquainted with this creation ..
  29. valokordin
    valokordin 24 June 2013 18: 36
    0
    The decision of the Polish parliament to recognize the UPA as a criminal organization is correct, I support, I am surprised at Yanukovych, maybe he is a relative of Bandera.
  30. uzer 13
    uzer 13 24 June 2013 18: 36
    +1
    Little by little the memory began to return to the Poles. We still have to wait. Maybe they will remember how the captured Red Army soldiers were killed in the civil war.
  31. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 24 June 2013 18: 43
    +3
    The OUN and UPA are not only guilty of the genocide of the Poles, they brutally destroyed Jews, Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians.
    Most of all, Ukrainian nationalists are struck by their wild ignorance, medieval savagery, irrational xenophobia and inhuman cruelty.
    These creatures seriously believe that in 1939 moskali attacked Ukraine and occupied "nenka", completely forgetting that this "nenka", or rather part of it, since 1918 has been constantly first under German, and then under Polish occupation, with a slight the hands of the Central Rada, Pan Hrushevsky, Pan Skoropadsky, Pan Petliura, Siche Cossacks, Svidomo Ukrainians and other vile bastards.
  32. Bokdan1700
    Bokdan1700 24 June 2013 19: 31
    +2
    Polish gentry - nothing is cleaner than Bandera! Minions of the West!
  33. Hauptam
    Hauptam 24 June 2013 20: 05
    0
    The Poles realized that the American map didn’t work, but they needed to live. Now against whom we will be friends, from the Poles every fifth Jew. Poland needs a profit, just give the money they don’t smell like the Soviet that the German. Today it is beneficial to condemn the OUN and UPA, they are now without Pontov.
  34. waisson
    waisson 24 June 2013 20: 40
    0
    you can ban, but I would have looked at you who, without serving in the army, write all about it and also about the UPA army and imagine yourself in their place where you were now who you didn’t know for maybe I’m wrong but I think that the struggle of the UPA or the forest brothers this is not just a single rebellion this is an expression of the people's anger against the occupation of their lands why they do not talk about the Chetniks in SERBIA they fought the same war as the liberators and the invaders, so every nation has the right to it, let us raise the Caucasus, Crimea, Don what will
  35. Balko
    Balko 25 June 2013 09: 17
    +1
    Quote: waisson
    I would look at you who, without serving in the army, write everything about it and also about the UPA army and imagine yourself in their place where you would be now for whom I don’t know

    Why not serving. I am a PV officer. He served, by the way, and in those places. You better not look at us, but at the documents. And compare the number of activists, military personnel destroyed by UPARs and the number of civilians destroyed by them.
    Some strange "struggle" will open to you ... The civilian population was destroyed twice as many.