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The ship of the Baltic Fleet arrived in Germany for the famous Kiel week

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The ship of the Baltic Fleet arrived in Germany for the famous Kiel week

Today, the “Correct” corvette flying the flag of the commander of the Baltic Baltic Naval Base fleet (BF) Captain 1st Rank Igor Osipov stopped at the German port of Kiel.


The arrival of the Russian ship in the naval base of the German Navy is timed to host the well-known European festive event, called the Kiel week.

At the port of call, the corvette crew will take part in sporting events, sailors will make excursions around historical and the cultural sites of Kiel and its environs.

Corvette "savvy" will be open to visit by residents of the city and numerous guests of the holiday.

In addition, the delegations of the warships participating in the Kiel week will take part in the ceremony of laying wreaths at the memorial to the dead sailors.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 22 June 2013 10: 23 New
    12
    Well, men wind the tail of the Bundes in competitions.
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 22 June 2013 20: 09 New
      +1
      And not only to the Bundesam)
      1. fisherman
        fisherman 22 June 2013 23: 20 New
        +1
        You are probably hinting of a shore leave? :)
        1. Orel
          Orel 24 June 2013 06: 33 New
          0
          Captive Corvette flying the flag of the commander of the Baltic Naval Base of the Baltic Fleet (BF) captain 1st rank


          Maybe someday captains of the 1st rank will call at NATO ports not on corvettes, but at least on cruisers, and better on aircraft carriers.
  2. Atrix
    Atrix 22 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +7
    Not a bad ship, but we need ocean-going ships something like Arleigh Burke and normal numbers.
    1. sub307
      sub307 22 June 2013 10: 58 New
      +8
      We need ships of all types and "zones". The ship composition must be "balanced". Otherwise, when required, the fleet simply will not be able to solve the tasks assigned to it in full.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 22 June 2013 12: 28 New
        -3
        Quote: sub307
        We need ships of all types and "zones".


        a decision was made to dispose of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers, Project 1144 "Orlan": "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev", NATO called them "aircraft carrier killers". Here are the ships we need:

        Artillery
        2 100-mm artillery mounts AK-100 or 1 AK-130
        Anti-aircraft artillery 8 ZU AK-630, or 6 ZRAK "Dagger
        Missile armament 16 PU RCC P-500 "Basalt"
        2 × 2 Osa-M (40 missiles) or 8 × 8 Dagger (64 missiles).
        Anti-submarine weapons
        PLUR "Metel" or PLUR "Waterfall", RBU-6000 "Smerch-3" or RBU-12000 "Boa".
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 22 June 2013 12: 44 New
          +3
          No, this one is very big. The missiles there are very large and few of them. Displacement at Orlan 25860 tons. Orly Burke 9648 tons. From one Orlan, you can build 2,5 Arly Burke. Arly Burke has 56 tomahawks, Orlan has only 16 missiles.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 22 June 2013 12: 52 New
            +9
            as well?
            Artillery 1 × 2 AK-130
            Anti-aircraft artillery 6 ZRAK "Dagger"
            Missile armament 20 anti-ship missile R-700 Granite
            SAM S-300F "Fort" (48 missiles),
            SAM S-300FM "Fort-M" (46 missiles),
            16X8 PU Dagger (128 missiles)
            Antisubmarine weapons 1 × 10 RBU-12000,
            2 × 6 RBU-1000
            Mine-torpedo armament 10 × 533-mm TA (20 torpedoes or PLOUR “Waterfall”)
            3 Ka-27 PL Aviation Group

            heavy nuclear missile cruiser (TARKR) "Peter the Great" the same project
            1. sergey261180
              sergey261180 22 June 2013 13: 21 New
              +2
              One Peter the Great = 2,5 Arly Burke. 20 granites versus 140 tomahawks are obtained.
              1. 755962
                755962 22 June 2013 18: 32 New
                0
                That would be muddied "marine biathlon", target shooting, etc., etc. ..
                Well, for the sake of "sports interest" ...
                I understand that it’s both expensive and so on ...

                I'm just a dreamer ..
                Well, would be measured pi ... bks.
                Sorry for the .. fantasy.
                Yours!
                1. d_trader
                  d_trader 22 June 2013 22: 10 New
                  -2
                  Not forgivable!))
              2. old man54
                old man54 22 June 2013 18: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: sergey261180
                One Peter the Great = 2,5 Arly Burke. 20 granites versus 140 tomahawks are obtained.

                Why are you running around with this "Arleigh Burke" like a "written bag" then? Isn't it enough for your imagination? Well, I am mumming you! :))
                1. sergey261180
                  sergey261180 22 June 2013 21: 03 New
                  +4
                  Brains are needed to come up with their own, and at least L.I. Brezhnev, or better, I.V. Stalin, is needed to do their job. Neither one nor the other is apparently not.
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 22 June 2013 23: 24 New
                +6
                Quote: sergey261180
                One Peter the Great = 2,5 Arly Burke. 20 granites versus 140 tomahawks are obtained.

                This is theoretically, practically Peter the Great has 20 anti-ship missiles Granite with a range of 550 km and warheads - 750 kg, Arly Burke has 8 anti-ship missiles Harpoon with a range of 280 km and warheads - 235 kg, a speed of 2.5M for granite versus 0.85M for a harpoon. Tomahawk is a tactical weapon that strikes fixed targets, has a speed of 885 km per hour.
                1. sergey261180
                  sergey261180 23 June 2013 00: 19 New
                  -1
                  On mobile aircraft will work. Then now the Americans have no serious opponents at sea, they need anti-ship missiles for a look, there will be enough harpoons for their eyes.
                2. Russ69
                  Russ69 23 June 2013 13: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: sergey261180
                  One Peter the Great = 2,5 Arly Burke. 20 granites versus 140 tomahawks are obtained.

                  This is theoretically, practically Peter the Great has 20 anti-ship missiles Granite with a range of 550 km and warheads - 750 kg, Arly Burke has 8 anti-ship missiles Harpoon with a range of 280 km and warheads - 235 kg, a speed of 2.5M for granite versus 0.85M for a harpoon. Tomahawk is a tactical weapon that strikes fixed targets, has a speed of 885 km per hour.

                  At Nakhimov, the granite will be removed.
                  The 1144 Orlan heavy nuclear missile cruiser (TARKR) will receive the Caliber multipurpose missile system and the new Poliment-Redut air defense missile system during restoration at the Sevmash production association

                  The modernization of the cruiser will be adequate to the new tasks of the Russian fleet, especially in terms of missile weapons. During the modernization, Nakhimov should receive the Caliber and the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system (SAM). As a result, the cruiser will become multi-purpose and will be able to strike with cruise missiles not only at surface and underwater targets, but also at coastal targets. The anti-ship complex P-700 Granite (according to NATO codification “Shipwreck”) will be replaced by a universal naval firing complex with multipurpose missiles Caliber ZM-54. The ship’s air defense will also undergo major changes. Cruiser anti-aircraft ammunition will be increased significantly. Now TARKR is equipped with S-300F "Fort" air defense system with 96 anti-aircraft missiles with a range of 75 kilometers. There are more effective 48N6 missiles with an increased firing range of up to 150 kilometers, but the complex requires replacement with a more modern version. Marine modification of the S-400 does not yet exist. Therefore, instead of a dozen launchers of the drum type of the S-300F complex, the ship will be equipped with the vertical launch cells of the Poliment-Redut air defense system with 9M96E and 9M96E2 anti-aircraft missiles, which have active homing heads that are aimed at the target even when it leaves the cruiser’s radar visibility range.

                  Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/16450
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 23 June 2013 16: 11 New
                    0
                    I wonder how many "calibers" will be?
              4. Konsmo
                Konsmo 23 June 2013 08: 14 New
                0
                Sorry, but you are comparing the ass with your finger. Tomahawks shoot at fixed targets on the shore.
                It turns out if 2 missiles "Petya" will fill up 10 "Berks"
                And 10 Berkov will fill up 0.0000 "Sing"
                Of course I'm exaggerating.
                But such arithmetic.
                1. Windbreak
                  Windbreak 23 June 2013 10: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Konsmo
                  Tomahawks shoot at fixed targets on the shore.
                  But previously there was an anti-ship modification RGM / UGM-109B TASM
                2. sergey261180
                  sergey261180 23 June 2013 12: 35 New
                  0
                  There are various types of tomahawks: anti-ship, nuclear, tactical, with cartridge / h. So that it all depends on the type of download. Anyway, the tomahawk is yesterday, now the X-51A WaveRider hypersonic missile will come to replace it.
                3. Setrac
                  Setrac 23 June 2013 16: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Konsmo
                  And 10 Berkov will fill up 0.0000 "Sing"
                  Of course I'm exaggerating.
                  But such arithmetic.

                  In fairness, it should be noted that the Berks have 8 RCC harpoon, but it is weaker and slower than granites.
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 22 June 2013 20: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          a decision was made to dispose of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers, project 1144 "Orlan":

          Quite an "equivalent exchange" - a missile cruiser for a corvette ... they say brigantines will appear soon ... which ships will they replace?
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 22 June 2013 21: 04 New
            0
            The main thing is not scam. laughing
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 June 2013 15: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Atrix
      Not a bad ship, but we need ocean-going ships something like Arleigh Burke and normal numbers.

      This is a ship for which no port is ashamed.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 June 2013 16: 25 New
        -1
        last year it was a shame before the Danes - they almost burned down (from shame)
  3. Sirocco
    Sirocco 22 June 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    What can I say? a good start, the former greatness of the Russian Navy is returning. We will show ourselves and look at others. Let them know and respect.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 22 June 2013 10: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Sirocco
      What can I say? a good start, the former greatness of the Russian Navy is returning. We will show ourselves and look at others. Let them know and respect.

      Russian corals always go to Kiel week, so there is nothing surprising here.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 June 2013 05: 10 New
        +2
        only earlier E.M. "Troubled" with "PERSISTENT" gave a rustle, and now they have reached the "watchmen" ... and then a new one.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 June 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    Show everyone that the Russian Navy "There are still few of us, but we are in vests !!!" Good luck sailors!
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 22 June 2013 10: 57 New
    +4
    For the crew, such a trip is probably a great holiday and event for a lifetime. Interestingly, all the contractors or annuals are also there.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 June 2013 13: 03 New
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      Quote: Thunderbolt
      For the crew, such a trip is probably a great holiday and event for a lifetime. Interestingly, all the contractors or annuals are also there.

      Yeah! It's like a wedding for a horse: the head is in flowers, and the butt is in soap. Before you are allowed to go out, 100 skins will be ripped off, they will climb into each skerry, everything will lead to a REGULATION! Then the admission by the headquarters of the fleet and with the elimination of deficiencies - "Good!"
      The ships of all countries that have received an invitation to take part in it are gathering for Kiel Week, and above all, the countries of the Baltic and North Seas. The idea - to make the sea a unifying, rather than a dividing factor - has as its goal the establishment of good neighborly relations, primarily with the countries of the region. Kiel Week is held annually, starting from the 1882 year, in the last full week of June. It was not carried out during the Second World War. Resumed from 1947 year. The purpose of modern Kiel Week is to improve mutual understanding between nations, promote peace and friendship.
      The holiday begins at midnight from Saturday to Sunday with the ringing of bells in the church of St. Nicholas and opens with a representative of the German government. Kiel Week is one of the largest and most significant water holidays in Europe, in which not only civilian vessels, sailboats and yachts, but also warships of leading sea powers take part. Although they say that the crews are competing, each one strengthens his team of pros who suddenly entered into a contract for service on this ship. Traditionally, football competitions are held. The Germans and the British are cut to death. Yale race, power sports. Concerts (performances) of military orchestras, platz parades, exchange of cabin companions, visiting delegations with an inspection of the ship by sailors. The main hype - visiting ships by the population. Here we have no end. Particularly strong “pilgrimage” was on the Undaunted Scr, when in 1994 he first represented the country at this holiday. From the experience of communication, I can say that the Germans treat us well, they dislike the Tomi, and despise the Poles. They drink no less than ours, but they always ask for 0,5 Russian vodka as a souvenir (they have the rest). Hospitable, a lot of everything, especially meat. They love, having come to us in Baltiysk, to arrange a barbecue for the entire crew of the host ship. We were united by a common dislike for Tomi, and they weren’t fools to drink, after the third the conversation was getting better. There is no complex of guilt, they speak of fascism as a common misfortune, they condemn Hitler. Here's what comes back from talking with German sailors. In Kiel, we traditionally participate in laying wreaths at the monument to those killed in the sea. Almost every day bus excursions. There is something to see.
      In general, the festival program consists of 1500 events. One of the highlight of the holiday is the traditional Ship Parade. More than 100 large-tonnage sailing ships, ships of traditional designs and hundreds of yachts leave the port. Usually all this happens on Sunday, the last day of the holiday.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 22 June 2013 14: 18 New
        10
        A brilliant comment, more interesting than the article itself will be hi )))
      2. VAF
        VAF 22 June 2013 15: 01 New
        +8
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Here's what comes back from talking with German sailors. In Kiel, we traditionally participate in laying wreaths at the monument to those killed in the sea. Almost every day bus excursions. There is something to see.


        Respected Boa kaa! I read your post with such pleasure that ... as I visited myself! +! drinks

        It's time to write an article ... like "Ours in ....." I hope there is. what to share and what to remember? wink

        Yours faithfully, drinks
        1. skrgar
          skrgar 22 June 2013 16: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Here's what comes back from talking with German sailors. In Kiel, we traditionally participate in laying wreaths at the monument to those killed in the sea. Almost every day bus excursions. There is something to see.


          Respected Boa kaa! I read your post with such pleasure that ... as I visited myself! +! drinks

          It's time to write an article ... like "Ours in ....." I hope there is. what to share and what to remember? wink
          JOIN THE WISH !!! We are waiting, sir!)))

          Yours faithfully, drinks
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 June 2013 17: 51 New
          +7
          Dear vaf! Flattered and cherish the appreciation of the Meter. If I have the time and the right topic, I'll scratch something. For now, I can’t excuse me: inspections, inspections, vacation ... Regards. KAA.
      3. old man54
        old man54 22 June 2013 18: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: BoA KAA

        The ships of all countries that have received an invitation to take part in it are gathering for Kiel Week, and above all, the countries of the Baltic and North Seas. The idea - to make the sea a unifying, rather than a dividing factor - has as its goal the establishment of good neighborly relations, primarily with the countries of the region.

        Thank you so much for such an extensive, comprehensive and extremely interesting description of this holiday, especially on your own behalf! You "+"! I read it directly with gusto! :)
        Question: If you spoke with German sailors in Baltiysk, how do they feel about the fact that they are chi, German, former Pillau? Do not bother them, What they say on this topic?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 23 June 2013 00: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: old man54
          You talked with German sailors in Baltiysk, how do they feel about the fact that this is chi, German, former Pillau? Do not bother them, What they say on this topic?

          Young people are calm, but old people come to the historical part of the city, groan, gasp, wipe the corners of their eyes with a handkerchief. They tell how the "mooter" took them along the promenade, where their house stood before, etc. One burgher found his home, and he seemed to be after the "bombing". He did not give money so that the new owners did not drink away, but hired a team of builders and repaired it in the euro style. He told the owners to take care of their homes. And the next year he came with his grandson, showed the family nest.
          We have a vast, well-groomed German cemetery on the seashore (the memorial is the burial place of the Germans who died during the Pillau assault). From the sea are clearly visible its three direct Protestant crosses. The Germans help keep the burial clean and tidy by hiring a caretaker, caretaker, janitor. After visiting the memorial, they call in a restaurant to raise the memorial. The old people are no longer harmful, but what they were like at that far time, one can only guess.
          1. old man54
            old man54 23 June 2013 14: 04 New
            0
            Quote: BoA KAA
            [The old people are no longer harmful, but what they were like at that far time, one can only guess.

            Thank you very much, Alexander, for the answer, I thought that you don’t even bother. :) I came in yesterday, I look, they appeared on the branch, but did not respond. And this aspect is very interesting to me.
            So you live there, (serve?) In Baltiysk? Wow! I haven’t been to Baltiysk, it hasn’t happened, although I’m sorry now. I’ve been there many times in the 90’s in Kaliningrad. My relatives live in the town of the air base of the Navy MA Chkalovsk, retired lieutenant colonel MA. For some reason I really like Kaliningrad, and the area around, I don’t understand why. :) I was born, raised and live in Siberia, in Novosibisrka, where I was in the world a lot, and even through the territory of the former USSR and, moreover, I also went to the seas . But here it pulls. It does not pull into the Baltic States at all, nor to St. Petersburg, but to Kaliningrad ... :)) But then Baltiysk was closed when I was, and I didn’t get there, although the fleet is my first love since childhood. When Baltiysk was opened, they called me to come, relatives, but so far there is no way. And I want to. :) I have not had 15 with you for years.
            Thanks again for such a warm description of Baltiysk (Pillau). How straight went there, a deep bow to you from me!
      4. Revolver
        Revolver 22 June 2013 20: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        There is no complex of guilt, they speak of fascism as a common misfortune,

        So it was necessary at 4:00 in the morning to arrange a four-thread type of firing practice with blanks, so that the bangs were louder. And if someone complains that they were not allowed to sleep, answer: "Why are you yourself in 1941?"
      5. pensioner
        pensioner 22 June 2013 20: 40 New
        +2
        I join the Thunder with two hands !! And something else, huh?
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        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 22 June 2013 22: 37 New
          +1
          The German sailing ship Alexander von Humboldt (center) is sailing during the traditional parade of 120 Kieler Woche sailing ships on the Baltic Sea near Kiel. Kieler Woche is the largest sailing festival in the world. (Morris Mac Matzen / Reuters) (image clickable)
          Look would be alive, eh.
      6. d_trader
        d_trader 22 June 2013 22: 12 New
        +2
        But didn’t we go to the Kiel week in the 45th?)
        1. old man54
          old man54 22 June 2013 23: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: d_trader
          But didn’t we go to the Kiel week in the 45th?)

          no, didn’t come! In the 45th navigation in the Baltic was very difficult, half of the Baltic, especially the Gulf of Finland, was strewn with mines. Then they suffered for several years, trawled.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 June 2013 15: 51 New
          0
          Quote: d_trader
          But didn’t we go to the Kiel week in the 45th?

          There the Allies walked and before that they bombed to the lunar landscape
  6. HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 22 June 2013 11: 22 New
    +8
    To be honest, I am glad that relations with the Germans are now good, so keep it up because the Germans are not Psheks or Balts.
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 22 June 2013 11: 55 New
      0
      Quote: HAIFISCH
      To be honest, I am glad that relations with the Germans are now good, so keep it up because the Germans are not Psheks or Balts.

      is it after the movie "our mothers are our fathers"?
      1. HAIFISCH
        HAIFISCH 22 June 2013 12: 24 New
        10
        It is not necessary to measure all with one measure, the monuments to Soviet soldiers in Germany are sometimes much more well-groomed than ours, and historical ideotism is always enough here and there.
  7. Fofan
    Fofan 22 June 2013 11: 32 New
    -4
    Quote: Atrix
    Not a bad ship, but we need ocean-going ships something like Arleigh Burke and normal numbers.

    name at least one country in conflict with which we would need a ship similar to arly burke
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 22 June 2013 13: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Fofan
      Quote: Atrix
      Not a bad ship, but we need ocean-going ships something like Arleigh Burke and normal numbers.

      name at least one country in conflict with which we would need a ship similar to arly burke

      Tell me at least one country against whom we need 1144 "Orlan", 885 "Ash", "Kuznetsov", 1164 "Atlant"
      1. Fofan
        Fofan 22 June 2013 14: 31 New
        -4
        Quote: Atrix

        Tell me at least one country against whom we need 1144 "Orlan", 885 "Ash", "Kuznetsov", 1164 "Atlant"

        and where else to put these your arliberki ???
        In addition, all of the above ships have priority destruction of enemy ships, but your arly has just suppression of ground targets.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 June 2013 18: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: Fofan
          all of the above ships have priority destruction of enemy ships, but your arly just suppression of ground targets.

          Dear Fofan! Well, you can't be so lazy as not to even look at the wiki! Arleigh Burke EMs are versatile ships capable of solving the whole range of tasks assigned to the Aegis system. And recently, even missile defense tasks. Yes, it can strike at important coastal targets to a depth of 1600 km with Tomahawks in a strategic option. But he is also capable of conducting over-the-horizon naval combat, repelling enemy air attack attacks, fighting his submarines, etc. As one of my good friends said: "This is the dream of any admiral."
          Now, in contrast to the American dream, our research institutes and design bureaus are preparing a project for the promising EM fleet of the Russian fleet. We really hope that it will turn out no worse.
          So not everything is as simple as we would like.
          1. Fofan
            Fofan 22 June 2013 19: 33 New
            -2
            Quote: BoA KAA

            Now, in contrast to the American dream, our research institutes and design bureaus are preparing a project for the promising EM fleet of the Russian fleet. We really hope that it will turn out no worse.
            So not everything is as simple as we would like.
            Kaa, let's be on our toes. do you know at least one example of successful universalization? I do not know. take any fighter-bomber as an example. it works equally badly as a fighter and as a bomber and loses to specialized aircraft, because these are too different specializations. here is a similar situation. an ash tree is in any case better than an arliberk in a confrontation with a surface fleet, only because there are no anti-submarine weapons capable of destroying submarines more than 30 km, while an ash tree will only need to "illuminate" a target from several hundred kilometers.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 22 June 2013 22: 30 New
              +4
              Quote: Fofan
              let's get it on your fingers. Do you know at least one example of successful universalization?

              This is known to everyone who, without aplomb, timely studied the materiel.
              Sir, with the advent of the UVP (vertical launch) of the Mk-41 type, the specialization of the "platform" does not matter, because it is entirely determined by the composition of the ammunition: load all 96 axes in strategic equipment - destroy the enemy's infrastructure; loaded in a tactical version - send a fan in the direction of the adversary (if the Hokai hangs, then you can also from the Central Control Center!); loaded Sabroki - kapets boats. By the way, with "Aegis" you don't even need to have contact yourself. "Guiding" will give out W, D, K *, V boats. Just shoot, having previously formed a volley to cover the area of ​​the possible location of the target. Well, etc. This is for the gifted - on the fingers.
              Quote: Fofan
              Ash is in any case better than Arlie Berk in a confrontation with the surface fleet, only because there are no anti-submarine weapons capable of destroying submarine more than 30 km, while ash will only need to "illuminate" the target from several hundred km.

              I agree on one thing: "Ash" is closer to me and closer than the US "Arlie Burke". But! if the submarine is monitored by the PLO aviation and it was "led" on the buoys - believe me: it’s a matter of seams! They will at least give an alert to the fleet (the area is dangerous from the submarine!) if with helicopters - generally a pipe), well, then see the top comment.
              Therefore, submariners value secrecy so much, therefore they go max. low-noise moves, so every time they go under the layer of a jump, etc.
              But for our boats in the ocean, the main problem is to get the TS in real time, or at least with a minimum T of obsolescence, in order to jump to D-gas.
              So, an expert on the Fleet, boldly discussing the tactics of the action of PLO forces!
              1. Fofan
                Fofan 22 June 2013 23: 21 New
                +1
                But for our boats in the ocean, the main problem is to get the TS in real time, or at least with a minimum T of obsolescence, in order to jump to D-gas.
                the command and control system is the problem of all our armed forces, burn in hell, horsetail, for cybernetics-pseudoscience. but you recognized that ash has a large reserve of stealth + even Sabrok have a range of 55 km (they are launched, by the way, only from torpedo tubes) + for some reason you are considering option 1 pl against almost AUG. and this is ridiculous, to be honest. if the adversary has an AUG, then this is a nuclear war and the result of a single battle is fiction, because whoever won, everyone lost.
                the problem of "arlie berks" is that they have an advantage over ash only when working on ground targets, while these ground targets simply do not exist in nature, and therefore there are no arguments in the direction of analogues of the arlie berk.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 23 June 2013 11: 06 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Fofan
                  at the same time, these ground targets simply do not exist in nature, which means that there are no arguments in the direction of Arly Burke analogues.

                  I wonder what the Yankees put in the Tomahawks' flight mission then? what "non-existent" targets have they fired at in recent wars? (Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq).
                  Quote: Fofan
                  You have recognized that ash has a greater reserve of stealth

                  Never denied it! Moreover: I am proud that at one time I served in the submarine. And having served 37 years in the fleet, I know for sure that the submarine has an advantage over the NK in stealth, D detection, etc. Did they decide to teach me the basics? The right is not solid!
                  Quote: Fofan
                  for some reason, you are considering the option of 1 pl against almost AUG. and this is ridiculous,

                  Not at all! There is such a tactical technique (the commanders know) a breakthrough in the formation of PLO ships using TO and GPA means. Command all the tactical leadership to retell?
                  But there is a B / task: ensuring the deployment of the rpkSN, in the interests of the solution of which m. The task of destroying the ships of the KPUG was directly set.

                  Quote: Fofan
                  if the adversary has an AUG then this is a nuclear war

                  Yeah! I wanted to have a little fun, but apparently I need to explain the neophyte of the fleet: the States have 10 AUGs (they can put 14 in the war by pulling aircraft carriers out of repair and removing them from preparation for the campaign) but there is no nuclear war yet! Therefore, I ask you to carefully use the conceptual apparatus if you want to talk about the same things with the naval.
                  In the meantime, the same wish: study the materiel! There are many interesting topics on the forum, delve deeper into them to "be in the subject." Good luck.
    2. sergey261180
      sergey261180 22 June 2013 13: 31 New
      +1
      Japan, Turkey, Georgia (Georgia), USA (God forbid), China (pah-pah-pah)
      1. Fofan
        Fofan 22 June 2013 14: 26 New
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        Quote: sergey261180
        Japan, Turkey, Georgia (Georgia), USA (God forbid), China (pah-pah-pah)

        the war against all of the above (except Georgia essno) complete nonsense. 100% use of one of the parties of nuclear weapons.
        Japan - only until the United States intervenes, which is almost a 100% chance.
        Turkey - NATO member
        Georgia can be defeated without a project worth a couple of trillions.
        China, USA - Stopudova nuclear war, and on it Arly Burke is useful a little less than nothing.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 22 June 2013 22: 53 New
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          100% use of one of the parties of nuclear weapons.
          So it is possible to inflict nuclear attacks from a ship. Japan, for example, acquires anti-missile destroyers integrated into the US missile defense system. Striking only with ballistic missiles is not reliable, they can intercept.
  8. Konsmo
    Konsmo 22 June 2013 12: 19 New
    +3
    Beautiful bastard.
    What, what, and our ships have always made the most beautiful and best.
    Even amers admit it. BOD "Nikolaev" recognizing as the standard as the most beautiful, demonstrating the power and terrifying warships. And my friend served on it in the late 70s. soldier
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 22 June 2013 16: 56 New
      -5
      At the expense of the best, you hurried.
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 23 June 2013 08: 40 New
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        Yes, no, he didn’t hurry. Even Amer is amazed how the Russians cram into the same displacement of arms by 30 percent. more.
        And then ships with an underwater cavity (bubble) will follow. So there, in general, due to savings on cars and fuel, so much will be crammed "in the bosom" that even our genes (admirals) from happiness write with blood (they cannot eat). I read the savings will reach another 30 percent.
        It is not in vain that, according to Peter, the marine research center of the Navy chews its bread.
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 23 June 2013 12: 36 New
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          Well, for the fact that we are pushing the non-pushable, one cannot but give credit) But there is simply nothing to compare with Burke or Zapolvolt from our fleet on the technological level.
  9. serg. 555
    serg. 555 22 June 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    Corvette "Guarding" is now in Holland.
  10. svp67
    svp67 22 June 2013 13: 51 New
    0
    Such a beautiful ship, simply must be the first in everything ...
  11. Levinson 1st
    Levinson 1st 22 June 2013 13: 56 New
    +2
    And the name of the sprat fish and the city of Kiel are in some kind of relationship between themselves?
    1. Simple
      Simple 23 June 2013 13: 26 New
      +1
      Yes are

      By city name:

      The original name of the city was Holstenstadt tom Kyle - (Holsten city on the bay). Gradually, this name was abbreviated as tom Kyle and, finally, to a simpler one, Kiel (Niederdeutsch (plattdeutsch) ≈ Keil) in this case means, in particular, the fjord, the bay. Also from Old Norse: Kíll ≈ narrow bay.


      The city of Kiel was also a participant in the active (at that time) commercial connection between the so-called Hansestädte: German Hanse or Düdesche Hanse, Latin: Hansa Teutonica - from the middle of the 12 century and the middle of the 17 association of German merchants, whose goal was safety crossing and representation of common economic interests, especially abroad.
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  13. Andrii
    Andrii 22 June 2013 15: 03 New
    +1
    Nice. Seven feet ...
  14. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 June 2013 15: 21 New
    +2
    Wonderful ship. New technologies are visible. Everything is concise, effective. The prototype of the new fleet. Corvettes are defenders of the country's economic interests. He will cope with this task perfectly! For ocean theater, there is another class of ships. I wish the guys “Clever” seven feet under the keel and good luck!
  15. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 22 June 2013 19: 53 New
    0
    The main thing is that it would not have to be extinguished again as in 2012, quote: "The fire in the engine room of the Russian guards corvette" Soobrazitelny "was extinguished by the joint efforts of the participants in the international naval exercises" Danex-Noko-2012 "
    http://blog.fontanka.ru/posts/111028/
  16. individual
    individual 22 June 2013 19: 58 New
    +2
    Russia is building up the prestige of the Navy.
    Along with the previous visits of ships to Venisuela, Syrian Tartus, the May festive visit of "Azov" to Israel, now the visit of the corvette "Savvy" to German Kiel.
    The reasons for the arrival of the ships are different, the goal is one demonstration of St. Andrew's flag of Russia.
  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 June 2013 20: 27 New
    +3
    Russian Navy is reborn !!!
  18. Simple
    Simple 22 June 2013 21: 06 New
    0
    A selection of photos on the "Kiel week" (different years):

    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Kiel+Week


    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Kieler+Woche+

    This year they are just starting to upload photos.
  19. Marconi41
    Marconi41 23 June 2013 04: 58 New
    +2
    Modern surface sailors have already become close to submariners. The corvette has no portholes (it seems like it's bad for "stealth"), and the air conditioning system at first was not very reliable (someone will tell you whether it was removed or not). As a result, if there are no constructions on the helicopter, the sailor (except for BCH-1) will not know where he has been!)))
  20. True
    True 23 June 2013 12: 00 New
    -1
    I am glad that you can boast of modern ships in front of the Germans. The bad thing is that the Germans have more than three times more modern ships than the BF.
  21. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 23 June 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    [quote = individ] Russia is increasing the prestige of the Navy.
    Along with the previous visits of ships to Venisuela, Syrian Tartus, the May festive visit of "Azov" to Israel, now the visit of the corvette "Savvy" to German Kiel.
    The reasons for the arrival of the ships are different, the goal is one [b] demonstration of the St. Andrew's flag of Russia.
    We also have "Guarding" left for the second foreign voyage this year to the Netherlands - and this is the North Sea, not the Baltic.
  22. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 23 June 2013 16: 50 New
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    Quote: True
    I am glad that you can boast of modern ships in front of the Germans. The bad thing is that the Germans have more than three times more modern ships than the BF.

    The Germans have a corvette for its intended purpose and performance characteristics are almost similar to ours. Type 130 "Braunschweig". But ours is better. And more beautiful and more powerful armed. The Germans have many problems with this corvette and they still cannot fully exploit them.