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70 anniversary of the feat of Alexander Matrosov dedicated

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70 anniversary of the feat of Alexander Matrosov dedicated

June 21 in the Central Museum of the Armed Forces will mark the 70 anniversary of the feat of the Hero of the Soviet Union guard Private Alexander Matrosov.


With inspiration and love, a thematic exposition created, a documentary about the great military self-sacrifice of the Soviet soldier will be shown to veterans of the Great Patriotic War, cadets of military schools, pupils of cadet corps, representatives of the military-patriotic clubs of Moscow.

Also, guests of the exhibition will see the true banner of the famous 254 Guards Rifle Regiment. A. Matrosov.

And in front of the Central Museum of the Armed Forces, samples of military equipment will be exhibited and field kitchen deployed.

“By the way, not everyone knows that Alexander Matrosov’s Komsomol ticket is stored in our museum, with an inscription made after his death:“ I went to the enemy’s gun emplacement and drowned it. He showed heroism, ”said Anton Gubankov.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 11: 46 New
    25
    This film should not be shown to guests, but through all the central channels. Ask those who have passed perfectly the Unified State Examination who the Sailors is, oh, and you will hear enough.
    1. experienced
      experienced 21 June 2013 11: 54 New
      16
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This film should not be shown to guests, but through all the central channels. Ask those who have passed perfectly the Unified State Examination who the Sailors is, oh, and you will hear enough.

      I agree! But, let’s give an account - in Soviet schools we were told from elementary grades about the exploits of the heroes of the Second World War Matrosov, Talalikhin, Panfilov’s, Karbyshev ... We grew up on this. I remember we read a series of books about children of Heroes.
      And now those who grew up on American action movies, having watched a one-time film without special effects, do you think that something will be “put off” in your head? request
      It is necessary to revive the systematic work on patriotic education recourse
      The problem is big: the channels are interested in rating, not political education. And on the state money they take off the "Citadel"
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: seasoned
        It is necessary to revive the systematic work on patriotic education

        Lech, it may be worth reviving the USSR itself in a new form, just as our bureaucrats take for something, it turns out as always negative
        1. experienced
          experienced 21 June 2013 12: 21 New
          15
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          it may be worth reviving the USSR itself in a new form, just as our bureaucrats take for something, it turns out as always

          Oh, a sore subject I understand that I’ll rake on the top of the head, but I won’t be silent.
          The USSR collapsed and we must come to terms with this and stop pouring ourselves salt on our wounds. After the separation of the local "kings" to strengthen their own authority, the slogans that they "fed others", that they were oppressed and that they were under occupation, that the Russian monsters did not allow our culture to develop, were beneficial, the Russian Ivan held positions ...
          What we have now: territorial formations under the rule of "bais" with a ruined economy, education that drove out the "Russian enslavers", and somewhere and partially destroying it with a population that has been listening for 20 years that the Russians are to blame.
          Any chance of a merger? In my opinion no hi
          It seems to me that Ukraine will enter there over time, which has retained the opportunity to unite, but for others, you need to enter visas and wait for "repentance" angry
          Those who could have joined the EU - the Baltic states and they are now “skinning" there, Azerbaijan is thriving at the expense of resources, I don’t say anything about those who have the lion's share of the resources, we still have the same, the rest turned out to be children who drove out adults, who ate everything in a week "sweets and ice cream" at home and who realized that they can’t do anything but scramble around other houses hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 28 New
            +7
            Quote: seasoned
            Any chance of a merger? In my opinion no

            With what the hell, the TS is essentially the new USSR, a kind of laying the foundation of the future union. Damn, how I start talking wassat
            But the essence is the same, everything is back to square one.
            Quote: seasoned
            It seems to me that Ukraine will enter there over time, which retained the possibility of unification already in the CU, but for others it is necessary to introduce visas and wait for “repent”

            It’s clear with Ukraine that it’s not where it will go, no matter how Kars is against it, but Ukraine will be in the TS. As for the rest, Kyrgyzstan will join the TS in September, and they will come for the rest, just out of fear of being left overboard. may belay
            The Baltic States will have to be returned by force, but what to do, do not give away forever
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 21 June 2013 12: 41 New
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              . Damn how I start talking Yesaul


              Damn, but I did not expect from you laughing

              Good afternoon Alexander hi drinks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 12: 44 New
                +4
                Quote: Apollon
                Damn, but I did not expect from you

                Hi Apollo! Don’t pay attention, I just relax after two days of running around. We went to drink beer, that sit on dry.
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 June 2013 12: 46 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Don’t pay attention, I just relax after two days of running around. We went to drink beer, that sit on dry.


                  Ah Alexander recourse You decrypted us, now I will run wassat
            2. smile
              smile 21 June 2013 14: 11 New
              +2
              Alexander Romanov
              Greetings! Can the Baltic states be faster, at least Lithuania, huh? And I'm running away for a beer .... will it go? :)))
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 14: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: smile
                And I'm running away for a beer .... will it go? :)))

                hi Vladimir! You say for beer, come on to skype, then the whole former gang of marshals has gathered. We have a new name, we are now skypers wassat
                1. experienced
                  experienced 21 June 2013 14: 18 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You say for beer, come on to skype, then the whole former gang of marshals has gathered. We have a new name, we are now skypers

                  Oh, come on ... winked Cheka (admin) does not sleep laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 14: 22 New
                    +2
                    Quote: seasoned
                    Cheka (admin) does not sleep

                    I’ll forgive winked
                2. smile
                  smile 21 June 2013 14: 21 New
                  +1
                  Alexander Romanov
                  In, I got into the company ... :))) .... I'm afraid not everyone will understand when they see me in the office with a beer joyfully bawling on Skype ... :)))
                  This ... but what about Lithuania? After all, again we’ll drink it in a rush ... take it back then ... :)))
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 14: 25 New
                    +1
                    Quote: smile
                    .... I'm afraid not everyone will understand when they see me in the office with a beer joyfully bawling on Skype ... :)))

                    Then take cognac and treat everyone around the office laughing
                    1. smile
                      smile 21 June 2013 14: 35 New
                      0
                      Alexander Romanov
                      And nobody told you that you are a provocateur? :)))
                      Once, having brought home the body of a colleague, I heard a description from his wife - an alcoholic provocateur .... are you encroaching on my laurels? :)))
                      And in general, Sabantuy according to plan, at 22-30 and not a minute earlier! Until then, not a drop in his mouth, nor ... OH! :))))
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 June 2013 15: 02 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smile
                        And in general, Sabantuy according to plan, at 22-30 and not a minute earlier!

                        Eeee, we have on DV 20 00, in half an hour we are waiting for you laughing
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 21 June 2013 14: 59 New
        0
        and they draw a rating - half-finger-ceiling, agencies according to their criteria, a smart movie without scandal, are not considered rating, even if they look at half the country, and some holidays in Mexico are considered rating, although their real audience is insignificant, but they are used for brainwashing and debilitation of youth and therefore they draw ratings
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 21 June 2013 17: 30 New
        +4
        I remember in Soviet times, all the children dreamed of becoming astronauts, intelligence officers, and military men. And all thanks to the right course of the authorities to educate young people and the active work of the media. And now they are propagandizing7 Zhulikov, girls of easy virtue, corrupt politicians. No matter what channel you turn the same thing. It is not surprising that many of the young people find it difficult to answer when the war started.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 21 June 2013 17: 34 New
          +2
          Hello Rauf, I absolutely agree with you. I’m not even talking about the “white spots” in the history of World War II! Here, adult men think in cliches
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 21 June 2013 19: 36 New
            +3
            Greetings Denis! And don’t talk!
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      5. lelikas
        lelikas 21 June 2013 18: 26 New
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        It is necessary to revive the systematic work on patriotic education
        The problem is big: the channels are interested in rating, not political education. And on the state money they take off the "Citadel"


        There is a chance to change it -

        Just go and do it -
        http://boomstarter.ru/projects/36881/28_panfilovtsev
    2. pribolt
      pribolt 21 June 2013 12: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This film should not be shown to guests, but through all the central channels. Ask those who have passed perfectly the Unified State Examination who the Sailors is, oh, and you will hear enough.


      I agree with Alexander. In my time, everyone knew who Alexander Matrosov was, moreover, in almost every city there was Matrosov Street. What happened now if the schoolchildren do not know who the Sailors are?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 21 June 2013 13: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: pribolt
        What happened now if the schoolchildren do not know who the Sailors are?

        Dmitry, and at least once you thought that not only schools are guilty of poor education, in particular historical, of our children. Children with great interest and confidence in what has been said, listen to their own parents! How much time do parents devote to teaching their children? Do you think parents have any fault in this? Let me remind you of the Russian proverb: What you sow, you will reap.
    3. Manager
      Manager 21 June 2013 14: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      then such a Sailor, oh, and hear enough.


      I asked a 9-year-old neighbor))) He confused him with Pavlik Morozov !!! Well, I was pleased with the fact that at least he heard about Pavlik Morozov bully
    4. Old fox
      Old fox 21 June 2013 16: 47 New
      0
      all the forces of the central channels are thrown on series and stupid talk shows
    5. Sgt.
      Sgt. 21 June 2013 18: 16 New
      +1
      Everlasting memory ! God forbid our children and future generations to forget about the deed and self-sacrifice of our Fathers!

      I bow to the determination of our fathers to present their LIFE for the Future of their descendants, for the MOTHERLAND!

      I am writing and crying
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 21 June 2013 21: 35 New
      +1
      We, who served in Kamchatka, are offended when they talk about Matrosov and others who have repeated the feat, forget about Ilyichev and Vilkov (as recently as today, in a report dedicated to Matrosov on the Zvezda channel, many were mentioned, but once again forgot) repeated the feat of Matrosov during the assault on the Japanese fortifications on the island of Shumshu (an island from the Kuril Islands). They, like the Sailors, covered the embrasures of the Japanese bunkers with their breasts. But that is not the point. Has anyone imagined in your thoughts how you rise and cover your embrasure with your chest? It’s scary to imagine, but these people did it. What they thought at that moment, no one will know. They were, who accomplished the feat, from 19, as Matrosova. and maybe no more than 40, that is, people who have their whole lives ahead, and they did it without thinking that they would die. Once in a conversation at work, I had one driver (his name was Uncle Vanya, he worked at watering and washing, unfortunately he is no longer with us), who went through the entire war from June 22, 1941 in the infantry, said that the worst thing in the war is it’s to attack and for the first time, and for the hundredth, you don’t know you will fall right away, halfway or you’ll be lucky, but since you got up, then run and don’t stop, and then the fear goes away, there remains an incomprehensible feeling of rage towards the enemy , to the sun, earth, dust, to everything that interferes with escape, and it extends into the trenches of the enemy. and after the attack comes such fatigue that you can’t tell. So the feat of Matrosov is the apogee of courage, courage, dedication and sacrifice.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 22 June 2013 07: 40 New
        0
        Yes, there were many such as Sailors. In Kazakhstan, for example, they do not forget Baimagambetov, who also died by throwing his body on a German embrasure.
        Kazakhs have a saying, "Honor is more precious than life." Similar sayings are probably among all the peoples of the ex-USSR. At a critical moment, moments of truth come - either honor is more dear to you (your own, homeland), or your own skin is closer to your body.
        When he is ready to give everything for his homeland, then the nation will live.

  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 June 2013 11: 49 New
    +2
    "On June 21, the 70th anniversary of the heroic deed of Hero of the Soviet Union Guard Private Alexander Matrosov will be celebrated at the Central Museum of the Armed Forces."

    And if you celebrate the exploits of all our WWII soldiers? It is possible to hold ceremonial events in the museum throughout the year, because there were so many Sailors. what Without diminishing the heroic deed.
  3. domokl
    domokl 21 June 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    And why not talk about the feat again on state television channels, on the radio, and show films on this occasion? After all, everything will pass in Moscow and die out before it starts ... A hundred or two people will come and that's it ... Let’s forget another 10 years ...
  4. Vtel
    Vtel 21 June 2013 11: 51 New
    +5
    Yes, it would be good to remind of the real Russian heroes, and not to show the cashier full faces of Urgant_Aktimelev from morning to evening.
  5. Sochi
    Sochi 21 June 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    As far as I remember, he was far from the first ... That of course does not detract from his feat. And it doesn’t matter who he was - Russian, Chuvash, Mordvin (otherwise a bunch of whistleblowers were looking out) ... He gave his life for his comrades, for his Motherland !!! Eternal memory to him, and to all those who gave their lives in that war.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 21 June 2013 12: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Sochi
      As far as I remember, he was far from the first ...

      The fighters who, like Alexander Matrosov, closed the embrasure with about 400 people. Films must be shot about such heroes, they were most young, ........ Having renounced death by death. Here is the link lists of names http://www.soldat.ru/memories/podvig/spisok1.html
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 21 June 2013 14: 08 New
        +1
        In the good old Soviet times, heroes were remembered. In the MMF of the USSR, whole series of ships got their name in honor of the pioneer heroes, in honor of young partisans, young Leninists, Panfilov heroes, Komsomol heroes. The largest bulk carriers of the Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Alexander Matrosov series.
        Now they are making a film about the feat of 28 heroes of Panfilov’s. Filmed by unnamed directors, actors. The film will be more documentary than feature. there will be truth about the real feat, real heroes (who did not even know about it) who stood to die for their homeland, for us. And how disgusting it was to hear that there were revisionists who had questioned this feat. If it were my will, I would kick this bastard under my knee, stripping me of my citizenship and passport.
        The state is to blame. He promotes the wrong values; he celebrates the wrong heroes. The country, not offended by talents in everything, is vocal, Naples will envy. And what do we see jammed, hackneyed half-voiced "stars" of all time and rulers with a lifeless mummy mask on their faces, instead of their faces, the fifth composition of the first plywood of singing cowards or preoccupied with Viagra, comedians, from the look of which vomiting spasms begin, and from milk powder jokes sour.
        General cleaning is needed in the media, especially on TV channels. To remove this stupid vulgarism, the wiped rotten near-television stash of "Beau monde." Any pawlush and garikov should be sent to their ethnic homeland for their "favorite" job, to trade or sweep. Give the screen to national talents, national heroes and in a month we will forget today's "stars" and their producers.
  6. il grand casino
    il grand casino 21 June 2013 11: 56 New
    +6
    Let the youth show. You need to know about such heroes, and not about the "heroes" of Mikhalkov
  7. pa_nik
    pa_nik 21 June 2013 12: 04 New
    0
    Through central channels, the topic was discussed exclusively by May 9th. And it would be nice from May 9th of one year - to May 9th of the next and so on right on the dates: this and that happened, this and that distinguished itself, a kind from there. And the facts will be noted and fellow countrymen will remember the Hero. hi
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 21 June 2013 12: 06 New
    +2
    Patriotic education should be in school curricula and in the media.
    Our children must know the heroes of their country! To be brought up on their example, and not on Amer’s comics!
  9. redwar6
    redwar6 21 June 2013 12: 14 New
    +3
    Good morning, although it’s already day. hi
    In general, in the 9th grade, 6-8 lessons of the Second World War are devoted. What do you think, can you learn a lot during this time? Russian history I saw, in my opinion, pages 10 devoted to the WWII. I saw the headline "Battle of Kursk", thought: probably they described a lot. No. Stitches 50. Something like "Our soldiers heroically fought and stopped the enemy." Somehow it became insulting. at least write descriptions of the exploits: The soldiers showed massive heroism: the pilots directed their burning plane at the enemy, the tankers rammed the tanks and weapons of the enemy, the soldiers threw themselves under the tanks with grenades in their hands, the gunners stood in their positions until the end. Now they seem to be composing a new textbook ...
    What can I say, many children do not know their grandfathers, to the question "Has your grandfather fought?" They answer “Yes, there are some medals.” And they don’t know anything else :(
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 21 June 2013 12: 56 New
      -11
      But I’m wondering what kind of machine gun he closed with his own body? MG-34? MG-42? Continue?
      1. Dimych
        Dimych 21 June 2013 13: 17 New
        +3
        and what? there is a fundamental difference from a machine gun to die?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 21 June 2013 13: 23 New
          -4
          Probably from a machine gun to die, the difference is small. And what do you think, is it feasible to silence this "sickly" weapon by covering it with your body?
          1. Dimych
            Dimych 21 June 2013 13: 35 New
            +1
            Well, he forced it! And there were 400 people like him. There were even those who survived such a thing.
            1. treskoed
              treskoed 21 June 2013 16: 07 New
              0
              . There were even those who survived such a thing.

              In Severodvinsk there is a street and a school to them. TRUKHINOVA. So he closed the embrasure with a duffel bag and survived!
      2. igordok
        igordok 21 June 2013 13: 20 New
        +9
        Maybe MG-08 was also in the bunker, this is no longer recognizable. Sailors covered AMBRAZURA with his body. Closing the review.
        This topic has already been discussed, and more than once.
        http://topwar.ru/24583-aleksandr-matrosov-realnost-i-vymysel.html#comment-id-943

        388

        The fact that the body of the person does not move from the bullets, even the "Destroyers of Legends" understood. Well, bullets do not have an impulse to move the body.
      3. treskoed
        treskoed 21 June 2013 16: 04 New
        +3
        But I’m wondering what kind of machine gun he closed with his own body? MG-34? MG-42?

        HOSTILE!
  10. Hort
    Hort 21 June 2013 13: 25 New
    -10
    But it still seems to me that Matrosov’s feat was somewhat embellished - in the part where he covered the bunker of the bunker with his chest. In real life, apparently, he tried to suppress, but fell into the queue from a machine gun.
    After all, firstly, the human body is not an obstacle for a machine gun, and secondly, the second number in the calculation had a special pole to repel the dead, which interfere with vision and shooting ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 21 June 2013 13: 40 New
      -5
      Here is the answer of a man who is at least trying to figure it out! I am by no means imploring the exploits of our soldiers, but I must always try to figure it out! By the way, he threw RGD-33 there, which didn’t burst
    2. igordok
      igordok 21 June 2013 13: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: hort
      After all, firstly, the human body is not an obstacle for a machine gun

      It is, like a bag of sand (or water). And again I repeat, Sailors closed the review. The embrasure is narrow. In the bunker you will not turn around with a pole.
      Two neighboring bunkers were destroyed by PTR. There the swamp and guns cannot be pulled up. And this one failed, maybe he has a flanking embrasure arrangement.
      1. Hort
        Hort 21 June 2013 14: 03 New
        0
        thank you for the clarification.

        heh, he knew that they would stick minuses instead of dialogue))
        1. igordok
          igordok 21 June 2013 14: 24 New
          0
          Quote: hort
          heh, he knew that they would stick minuses instead of dialogue))

          I did not put a minus. The dialogue would be interesting if this issue were not discussed a thousand times.
    3. Dimych
      Dimych 21 June 2013 13: 41 New
      +6
      The feat of one Matrosov can be embellished. And 400 such cases, is this also for a red word?
      1. igordok
        igordok 21 June 2013 13: 56 New
        +4
        Sailors was not the first, and unfortunately not the last, to crush the German reptile.
        By chance, in this place, at that time there was a correspondent who immediately transmitted the information to Moscow. And then everything rolled. Therefore, the feat became the name of Matrosov. And those who anticipated or repeated the feat, honor and praise. They were not afraid that through their bodies they would see and shoot their comrades, they were not afraid that their bodies would be pulled by poles. They did their job.
  11. sichevik
    sichevik 21 June 2013 13: 50 New
    +4
    Whether or not Alexander Matrosov’s feat is embellished, it doesn’t matter at all. The important thing is that he accomplished his feat. And the same feats were 400 times. People went to certain death for the sake of Victory. And thanks to such people, our people won. From childhood, I was raised on the exploits of our Heroes. And do not cry, what is sacred for many of us.
    1. Hort
      Hort 21 June 2013 14: 07 New
      +1
      Howl? No one thought to do this.
  12. Day 11
    Day 11 21 June 2013 14: 14 New
    0
    Am I like a red rag for a bull? One pathos and slogans, but nobody wants to understand the essence of the topic. For example, who among you knows what Hans fought 2 GSS pilots in the Luftwaffe? Is this the truth where to put it? Interesting? Continue?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 21 June 2013 15: 03 New
      +2
      for the chances even the NEGORS fought however the Germans didn’t - all the same, DEATH and the DESTRUCTION that the Germans sowed in RUSSIA eventually came to them themselves.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 19 New
        +1
        I agree with you (I even argue). How do you like this? ---
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 27 New
          -2
          What about grandfather and grandson?
          1. MG42
            MG42 21 June 2013 17: 47 New
            +1
            Translation from English into photo << young and old = still Kozaki >> nothing in German form .. how does this relate to Matrosov’s feat?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 21 June 2013 17: 59 New
              0
              Dear friend, of course, this doesn’t belong to A. Matrosov’s deed. Just read a little higher for whom I posted it! And the topic of the issue under discussion (different nationalities served in the Wehrmacht, including the Cossacks (and they always distanced themselves a bit from Russians and Ukrainians, considered (and consider) themselves a separate ethnic group)
              1. MG42
                MG42 21 June 2013 18: 08 New
                +4
                Quote: Den 11
                Of course, this does not apply to A. Matrosov’s exploit

                Yes. This flood is off topic called ..
                Quote: Den 11
                Just read a little higher for whom I posted it

                read it began with your comment Today, 12:56, then went s.r.a.ch. Well, I was giving a video about pumpkins that were barely crushed from that machine gun, there are no words; only expressions = shoot through the body, and it’s very cynical to discuss this.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 21 June 2013 18: 12 New
                  0
                  This is WAR! There is no place for emotions. Either HE is you, OR YOU are him!
            2. Hleb
              Hleb 21 June 2013 18: 20 New
              0
              By the way .. once you start translating into Russian, then translate correctly.
              in this case, the correct translation will be-kaZaki, but not -Kozaki
              1. MG42
                MG42 21 June 2013 18: 32 New
                +4
                I wanted a plus, I clicked on a minus, I’m sorry, I'm Ukrainian, we write through O, I wrote it automatically ..
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 21 June 2013 18: 42 New
                  +1
                  )) I had a chance. I didn’t post the document because the person signed up Oleksandr. He calls and says, don’t you know what Alexander writes through O. I laughed for a long time ..
                  Well, the capital letter K is also not written in this casewink
                  better for you like this: kozaky
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 21 June 2013 20: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Gleb
                    we have Alexander written through O. I laughed for a long time ..

                    We write through O, you get used to it, especially if in your passport, even though Russian automatically happens, Ukrainian words slip in and spelling.
                    Quote: Gleb
                    Well, the capital letter K is also not written in this case

                    it was humor as in the photo with a big one to one.
                    What can I say in Russian <in Ukraine> when everyone around speaks <in Ukraine> = hard ..
        2. igordok
          igordok 21 June 2013 15: 50 New
          0
          Well this one might just be Chinese in Chiang Kai-shek's army. They used uniforms and German instructors.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 53 New
            0
            Igor, mine are definitely the Wehrmacht!
        3. Day 11
          Day 11 21 June 2013 16: 49 New
          0
          I don’t even argue!
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 21 New
        +1
        Interesting Tipchik
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 21 June 2013 15: 31 New
          0
          HINDUS - FROM WHICH EDGE?
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 35 New
            0
            From India, of course!
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 19: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
            HINDUS - FROM WHICH EDGE?

            this is not an indian. This is Azerbaijani. in this photo the visor on the forearm is poorly visible, in other photos it is better seen. there is the Azerbaijani flag and the Latin inscription "Azerbaijan". Usually, Azerbaijani battalions were part of the Turkestan Legion.
          3. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 19: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
            HINDUS - FROM WHICH EDGE?

            this is not an indian. This is Azerbaijani. in this photo the visor on the forearm is poorly visible, in other photos it is better seen. there is the Azerbaijani flag and the Latin inscription "Azerbaijan". Usually, Azerbaijani battalions were part of the Turkestan Legion.
      3. Day 11
        Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 23 New
        -1
        Cossack, how is he for you?
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 21 June 2013 15: 58 New
          +1
          one bullet and will fly beautifully into the air.
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 20: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Cossack, how is he for you?

          but it’s not like a Cossack, or whether it’s Yugoslav, or else who is Albanian, Bulgarian, or who else. shorter from somewhere in the Balkans like.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 21 June 2013 21: 08 New
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            I think a Croat
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        Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 24 New
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        True Aryan! Don’t you?
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 21 June 2013 15: 30 New
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          these pictures are unfamiliar to me - it is very interesting to know about the biography of these people that made them come to the service of Hitler.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 33 New
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            You can "grind" this too. There would be a desire and there will be a conversation in a serious way, not "idle talk." On topic 3 of the Reich, I can tell you a lot. If you are in the subject, please contact
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 18: 58 New
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          Quote: Den 11
          True Aryan! Don’t you?

          Turkestan) The photograph is noteworthy in that it has a Kubanka, which formally was not a regular headdress in the Turkestan legion. Such were in the Wehrmacht among the Cossacks and the Kalmyks (if I am not mistaken). Maybe he wanted to look like a cavalryman in this way? Now we don’t know.
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        Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 48 New
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        Oh, I found (a whole Windows is clogged with info) -
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        Day 11 21 June 2013 15: 50 New
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        War-war --- scheduled lunch!
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 21 June 2013 15: 56 New
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          I just want to know why people go to fight against their country AND PEOPLE (we omit the ideological side)
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 21 June 2013 16: 01 New
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            Probably, everything is individual here. Someone for money (money was a measure of values ​​even then), someone had “graters” with their own power, and someone simply got their brains kicked in. For those Indians, the Fuhrer is promised mountains of gold (if they expel the Angles from their country)!
          2. igordok
            igordok 21 June 2013 16: 05 New
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            Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
            I just want to know why people go to fight against their country AND PEOPLE

            Well, the Indian and the blacks are just for their countries, against the colonialists. First of all, against Britain.
            1. Lech from ZATULINKI
              Lech from ZATULINKI 21 June 2013 16: 08 New
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              Yeah, the HIGH RACE will come - and it will determine all the personal places on the reservation.
              1. igordok
                igordok 21 June 2013 16: 15 New
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                Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
                Yeah, the HIGH RACE will come - and it will determine all the personal places on the reservation.

                It will be later, and now the main thing is to dump the existing ones. Yes, both Great Germany and Great Britain with respect to "subhuman" stand each other.
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                  Day 11 21 June 2013 16: 22 New
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                  I absolutely agree with you! Plus
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            Day 11 21 June 2013 17: 02 New
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            Do you know that a very good newspaper was published in the Lokot Republic? How can I post a scan of the first page. They explained everything to people very clearly. RONA (Kaminsky) -Have you heard anything about this topic (not to be confused with Vlasov’s ROA)? that who was weak in soul was “led” to this propaganda. And who did not lose his “inner core” died, but didn’t fall into the clutches of the enemy alive! (although anything is possible in a war)
            1. MG42
              MG42 21 June 2013 17: 24 New
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              Quote: Den 11
              . On topic 3 of the Reich, I can tell you a lot. If you are in the subject, please contact

              The topic smoothly moved from Matrosov’s feat to the discussion of the 3rd Reich, Bravo! winked
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 21 June 2013 17: 28 New
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                Ah well done! good Who can I rub this topic with?
                1. MG42
                  MG42 21 June 2013 17: 33 New
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                  Quote: Den 11
                  Ah well done!

                  But why hesitate to take the Wehrmacht soldier finely on the avatar, you had Adolf, I told you about the machine gun in PM, no again, restless .. lol
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 21 June 2013 17: 37 New
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                    Call me, repeat which one is. Come on, drive me to the minus
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                    Day 11 21 June 2013 17: 41 New
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                    Soldier-Kurt Strasser from the 23rd Panzer (a dozen more minuses).
                  3. lelikas
                    lelikas 21 June 2013 18: 36 New
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                    Quote: MG42
                    Why embarrassed, took finely on the profile of a Wehrmacht soldier,

                    The general said with the nickname of the German machine gun laughing
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 21 June 2013 18: 42 New
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                      Yes, some it bothers that my login is strictly not consistent with the internal content laughing , like you didn’t notice before .. it’s a weapon and a trophy bully , the main thing is in whose hands ..
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 21 June 2013 18: 51 New
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                        Why does my avatar bother you? A person ignorant in this matter will not even notice! I didn’t break the law, swastikas and other attributes you will not find
                      2. lelikas
                        lelikas 21 June 2013 19: 00 New
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                        Yes, it doesn’t bother me - just a very nice skirmish, you could not resist :)
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 21 June 2013 19: 06 New
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                        Quote: lelikas
                        Yes, it doesn’t bother me -

                        This is good, because I’ve fired back more than once .. lol WWII participant Aleksey Sirnov with this machine gun >>
                      4. Day 11
                        Day 11 21 June 2013 19: 11 New
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                        Here is a plus for you! I respect this actor! Indeed, he is 42nd. By the way, he was in intelligence and personally dragged chances, for which he has the Order of Glory!
                      5. lelikas
                        lelikas 21 June 2013 19: 24 New
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                        It didn’t happen like that -
                      6. Day 11
                        Day 11 21 June 2013 19: 29 New
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                        And how do you like it?
                      7. MG42
                        MG42 21 June 2013 19: 30 New
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                        This is exactly the Germans were with PPSh

                        Stalingad 1942
                      8. Day 11
                        Day 11 21 June 2013 19: 31 New
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                        The error is yours-this Hansik PPD (in the bottom photo)
                      9. MG42
                        MG42 21 June 2013 19: 53 New
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                        Here is a selection of captured weapons from two sides.
                        http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/andrey_shwidenko/

                      10. Day 11
                        Day 11 21 June 2013 20: 00 New
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                        I myself can make such a selection. Unfortunately I’m running away to work (maybe I’ll look at this thread a couple of times). I can post more serious trophy equipment for ours and for nemchurs. Do not “kill” the topic, plz
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 19: 49 New
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    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    I just want to know why people go to fight against their country AND PEOPLE (we omit the ideological side)

    They will not speak for all collaborators, but I’ll tell you about photos with Turkestan Wehrmacht soldiers. The idea to create workers' battalions from Turkish-speaking prisoners of war belonged to ethnic Kazakh Mustafa Shokay. He was once the head of the Turkestan government until the Bolsheviks dispersed them and established Soviet power in Central Asia and Kazakhstan. As a result, he ended up in Europe. When the war began, he turned to the Germans with a request to release the Türks from the concentration camps and create working battalions from them. And although he was an ardent enemy of the Bolshevik government, he was categorically against the idea of ​​using the Türks as soldiers fighting against compatriots in the Red Army. For this, the Germans poisoned him and replaced him with the more accommodating Uzbek Vali Kayum (a former Soviet citizen who was sent by the Soviet authorities to study in Europe in the 20s, but decided not to return to his homeland). Vali Kayum willingly agreed to lead the POW Turks as combat units. However, it turned out that Turkic prisoners of war who became Wehrmacht soldiers completely refused to fight against their Soviet relatives. As a result, this whole undertaking failed miserably - Kazakhs, Tatars, Bashkirs, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis, Kirghiz killed their German commanders at the earliest opportunity and in full force with whole units in arms crossed to the side of the Red Army and partisans. The Germans sent them to fight against the Yugoslav partisans, but the same thing happened there (although the Yugoslavs were too distrustful and killed these defectors who wanted to join the partisans). As a result, the Germans decided to send to the Atlantic Wall for the fight (and construction work) against the Anglo-American troops. But even there, the Turks massively sided with our allies.
    The most interesting thing is that the Turks not only refused to fight against their own, but also usually restored (secretly, of course) full-fledged communist cells in units of the Turkestan legion. Imagine a picture - Mongoloid steppes in German uniform pray to Allah every day and at the same time develop a network of party cells in the Wehrmacht battalions. How the Aryans did not lose their minds from this eclecticism - I can’t imagine))))
    Z.Y. When the Turkestan battalions were on the territory of the USSR, they still drove the inhabitants of Russian cities crazy - Asians march in German uniform and loudly sing “I went ashore Katyusha ...”, “My Moscow, my country, you are my favorite ... "and other Red Army marching songs laughing
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 19: 28 New
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    Quote: Den 11
    War-war --- scheduled lunch!

    also Turkestans)
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  • tolan_petrovich
    tolan_petrovich 21 June 2013 14: 14 New
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    Eternal memory to the hero!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 June 2013 15: 00 New
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    The main blame for the fact that the younger generation does not know about the deed of Alexander Matrosov lies with our school. Less and less material about the Great Patriotic War is devoted in textbooks on the history of Russia. History programs include topics that actually discredit our past. With such a formulation of the question, is it possible to instill in young people feelings of patriotism. Not for nothing that the country's leadership raised the question of creating a single textbook on the history of Russia, which would provide knowledge to schoolchildren and bear a great patriotic educational impact. Then modern young people will know the young heroes of the Great Patriotic War.
  • individual
    individual 21 June 2013 15: 01 New
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    The self-sacrifice of the Russian man in the blood of our people.
    Starting from the almost legendary Ivan Susanin led the Polish army in the swamps, sacrifice Young Guards and Zoe Kosmodemyanskoy. The feat of Alexander Matrosov was reflected in a new sound when the battalion commander Sun, Major Sergei Solnechnikov, in March 2012, an emergency happened during a grenade throwing exercise: a shell thrown by a conscript soldier fell into the parapet parapet. The battalion commander instantly orientated himself and threw himself on a grenade, covering it with his body. Thanks to the act of S. Solnechnikov, the servicemen who were on the exercises did not suffer. The soldiers believe that the major saved more than one human life.
    When in the schools of Volgograd, his fellow countrymen spent "Day of courage" students compared the advancement of Alexander Matrosov and Sergei Solnechnikov.
    These words sound in unison GLORY TO THE HEROES !
  • LOKY
    LOKY 21 June 2013 15: 07 New
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    Glory to the heroes!
  • Algor73
    Algor73 21 June 2013 16: 42 New
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    Now there is a lot of negative information about Matrosov, Kosmodemyanskaya, Morozov and others. When I was in school, our pioneer squad bore the name of Alexander Matrosov. For me, he remained a Hero. And I accustom my children to the idea that the world did not come on its own, that it was won for us all, at the cost of many lives ...
  • Alf
    Alf 21 June 2013 21: 15 New
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    Quote: Den 11
    Hello Rauf, I absolutely agree with you. I’m not even talking about the “white spots” in the history of World War II! Here, adult men think in cliches

    A few years ago he traded models in the market. I describe the situation after which you will not surprise me anything.
    A man of about 40, normally dressed, is coming up. He points to the stand and asks:
    "How much is the tractor?"
    My system freezes, I know for sure that I don’t have tractor models.
    Me: "What tractor?"
    M: "Well here! And it points to the T-72."
    Me: "Actually, this is not a tractor, but a Soviet T-72 tank."
    Then the man gives out such a pearl- "Yes, what's the difference, ours or not ours, the Germans sold it to us anyway."
    Me: "bulging eyes-when?"
    M: "In the 43rd!"
    Me: “Hey, man, did you hear about the war in general? How did the Germans sell it to us if we fought with them at that time?”
    The man’s response shocked me to the very liver- "So what, that they fought, it's the same money!"
    I see, the man is absolutely serious and absolutely sure of what he says. And here it was scary for me, and you are youth, youth ...