Military Review

By launching a helicopter carrier. Why Russian media are always ready to believe that "Russian disgraced"

66
Baltiysky Shipbuilding Plant OJSC is forced to refute the misinformation that has passed in the media. On the day of the laying down for Russia of a second amphibious assault carrier of the Mistral type, RIA News With reference to the words of the Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov, it was reported that the aft section of the Vladivostok FCD ship would be made in France, because the Baltic people had failed. And this information appeared at that moment when the fully assembled feed section at the Baltic Shipyard was being prepared for launching! A high-ranking Russian delegation at the same time is in France itself.


“Sensation”, despite its apparent inconsistency with reality, was immediately picked up by domestic media (such as “tape.ru”), which are not very versed in the matter, but are always ready to believe that the Russians have failed in something. So obviously absurd news began to be vigorously debated. It has damaged both the prestige of the national defense industry and our delegation located in France with the aim of promoting the products of the Russian defense industry on foreign markets (at the Le Bourget air show).

Two important things are noteworthy here. Firstly, the attack occurred with the filing of one of the largest domestic news agencies. This happened at an extremely “right” moment, when someone needed to put out the negative news that spoke about the success of the Russian defense industry and the strengthening of our fleet. And the agency referred not as usual in such cases - to an “unnamed source” - but to the words of a specific, very high-ranking official who has no right to make nonsense, even in a cheerful mood.

Secondly, the damage from such misinformation is not even in monetary terms. The blow was dealt to the reputation of the leadership of the Armed Forces.
It is no secret that the construction of helicopter carriers in France was the reason for informational attacks on the leadership of the Armed Forces, for accusations of material interest in this contract of individuals, for thoughtful speculations about how “everything is bad for us”. We have already paid a high price for our inability to explain and justify certain steps of military construction and fight informational attacks. It already cost confidence in the transformations taking place in the armed forces. And so that, as before, people should not take frank nonsense at face value, and scant refutations should not be lost in the flood of lies, such incidents should have consequences. Or for a high-ranking official, deigned to joke, or for unscrupulous media.

It should be said that the same RIA Novosti cites the words of the same Yuri Borisov, refuting another old outline on the subject of the construction of the Mistral for Russia:
“It can work in cold waters, there was a lot of speculation about its fuel and other things. All the characteristics of the ship meet the requirements that apply to ships of this class. "

Recall that we are talking about the skillfully-promoted topic of alleged unsuitability of "Vladivostok" and "Sevastopol" for action in a cold climate. Somewhat earlier, even the remarks of Dmitry Rogozin, which related to the negotiations on the certification of domestic brands of fuels and lubricants for French equipment, were used to promote the scandal. And the words of Yuri Borisov refute this old "sensation at the level of rumors", although somewhat belatedly and without giving facts. But who now will believe the deputy minister?

For readers, we are in a hurry to inform you that a stern trigger pontoon has already been installed under the aft section of the DVKD Vladivostok at the Baltic Shipyard. Construction was carried out in strict accordance with the schedule, and 26 June section will be launched. At the end of July, she will arrive in France for final docking with the Vladivostok hull, and in October the finished ship will be launched.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.odnako.org/
66 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 June 2013 08: 32 New
    24
    This is historically the case, we love to scold ourselves, but we hate it when others scold us.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 21 June 2013 08: 35 New
      48
      “Sensation”, despite its apparent inconsistency with reality, was immediately picked up by the domestic media (like “tape.ru”), which did not know much about the issue, but were always ready to believe that the Russians could not cope with anything.


      To identify the hidden and obvious "enemies of the people" now it is not necessary to collect denunciations as in the 37th. It is enough to publish a few ducks about our alleged failures and after that go through the net on the IP addresses of Russophobes joyfully commenting on this. bully
      In case of need for the development of Taimyr, it is so easy to recruit the required amount of labor without disturbing the patriotic citizens of our country. yes
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 21 June 2013 09: 24 New
        10
        To identify the hidden and obvious "enemies of the people" now it is not necessary to collect denunciations as in the 37th. It is enough to publish a few ducks about our alleged failures and after that go through the net on the IP addresses of Russophobes joyfully commenting on this.

        good
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 21 June 2013 10: 45 New
        -16
        My IP address changes every time I start the computer)
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 June 2013 10: 50 New
          16
          I will disappoint you - yes, it changes every time you connect to the network, but your provider keeps logs that say which user, when, under which ip, where he went.
        2. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 21 June 2013 11: 29 New
          +2
          It seems so to you, for real men to figure you out is not a problem. Do you change the computer number too?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 21 June 2013 11: 35 New
            +2
            Do you change the computer number too?

            What is this? If you are talking about a MAC address, it's easy to change.
        3. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 21 June 2013 12: 52 New
          +5
          Quote: Clever man
          My IP address changes every time I start the computer

          And this change of IP in no way will save the bare ass from the avatar from a specific bastard.
        4. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 21 June 2013 15: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Clever man
          My IP address changes every time I start the computer)

          Do not flatter yourself. It is only in the movies that you cannot be found, but in life you have no chance.
        5. biglow
          biglow 21 June 2013 21: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Clever man
          My IP address changes every time I start the computer)

          the hardware of the computer has wired numbers that can neither be changed nor hidden. The software that can pull these numbers is in the public domain ...
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 21 June 2013 11: 04 New
        +6
        Quote: cartridge
        In case of need for the development of Taimyr, it is so easy to recruit the required amount of labor without disturbing the patriotic citizens of our country.

        - So after all, we’ve been messing around this topic for two years now. Russians successfully mastered Siberia, because at first there was serfdom. As it collapsed, in Siberia organized penal servitude and exiled there. In Soviet times, skillful propaganda of Komsomol romance + “long ruble” stimulation with prospects helped the further development of this rich but difficult region. Now - only this measure, and it begs for a long time
      4. 123_123
        123_123 21 June 2013 11: 09 New
        +3
        +1 Outright wrecking, in fact, information and economic sabotage. For this it is necessary to plant and not just on the necks of Russian taxpayers, but to work out their own content.
      5. old man54
        old man54 21 June 2013 11: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: cartridge
        To identify the hidden and obvious "enemies of the people" now it is not necessary to collect denunciations as in the 37th. It is enough to publish a few ducks about our alleged failures and after that go through the net on the IP addresses of Russophobes joyfully commenting on this. bully
        In case of need for the development of Taimyr, it is so easy to recruit the required amount of labor without disturbing the patriotic citizens of our country. yes

        gold words!!:)) I agree with you, Ivan, it remains only to realize them! It will be a nationwide celebration, on the day when all this is released!
      6. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 21 June 2013 16: 12 New
        0
        Quote: cartridge
        for the development of Taimyr it is so easy to recruit the required amount of labor

        Yeah, and then Taimyr will declare independence and raise a rainbow flag fool
        Well, nafig is such a “happiness”, it’s better to spend some money on them, it’s more reliable laughing
      7. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 22 June 2013 11: 32 New
        -1
        In case of need for the development of Taimyr, you can easily recruit the required amount of labor


        but I really liked the idea of ​​developing Taimyr. We have such a huge country, so many interesting, environmentally friendly places for development ...
        I think that next year mass trapping and expulsion for the development of undeveloped lands will already begin)))
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 21 June 2013 08: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      This is historically the case, we love to scold ourselves, but we hate it when others scold us.


      It would be alright if the strangers were yapping, and then the local little dogs flea from the outstretched State Department began to throw kakulami. And although I could not believe in the delirium of the yellow-feathered piarasts, the sediment was still at least small, but remained.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 June 2013 08: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        It’s okay if someone else’s yapping, otherwise local flea dogs

        So this is a network of "strangers." wink
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 21 June 2013 12: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        And although I could not believe in the delirium of the yellow-feathered piarasts, the sediment was still at least small, but remained.

        Some freak really needed to “lower” the enterprise and Russia along with it. This is where brutal sanctions are required for disseminating false information. To press the writing nits and all the strings connected with the interested bastard will come out.
    3. urich
      urich 21 June 2013 10: 08 New
      +4
      Late published rebuttal! Too late. If some media outlets published a misinformation, they should have apologized. To date, besides VO, I have never met such refutations anywhere. Too much desa has recently been thrown! Now with Yakunin, now with the Baltic Plant. Is this one thing to do? Catch and land!
      1. 12061973
        12061973 21 June 2013 10: 29 New
        0
        with Yakunin, it would be nice if it were true.
    4. experienced
      experienced 21 June 2013 10: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      This is historically the case, we love to scold ourselves, but we hate it when others scold us.

      Guys, how small they are ... Remember that when they "scold" our "bump" technique, then there is surely infa that it is better to buy equipment abroad and then we read about Leopards, wheeled tanks ... and we see in the troops Lynx and Mistral, our officials are even used to "swearing" to turn into gold.
      So this case, we read
      The Russian government is considering the possibility of attracting a strategic foreign partner in the shipbuilding industry, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Thursday.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 21 June 2013 10: 25 New
        +1
        So ... the war began? And here Yakunin was put aside ... But it turned out they were not put aside ... But the news on all channels passed.

        A day after the appearance on the feeds of news agencies of a message about the resignation of the head of Russian Railways, Vladimir Yakunin, which was subsequently denied, the law enforcement authorities were unable to calculate the senders of the letter that excited the media. As Kommersant’s spokeswoman Natalya Timakova told Kommersant, FSO and FSB experts have already achieved first results. Experts and market participants call the first vice president of Russian Railways, Alexander Misharin, the main victim, who for half an hour became the successor of Mr. Yakunin.

        Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2215985
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 June 2013 10: 32 New
      14
      Quote: Vladimirets
      This is historically the case, we love to scold ourselves, but we hate it when others scold us.


      This did not happen by itself. It is the result of the centuries-old policy of the Russian pro-Western elite and the intelligentsia, brainwashing so that we disbelieve ourselves and our own country, and in our place today is enough hungry people who can replace our whole country. And even “thank you” will not say that they vacated this place. The only question is: are we all together what will we do in such a situation? Who will we need? This national pragmatic interest or position, which the same pro-Western elite and the shaking hands of the intelligentsia brand as the patriotism of the outcasts, is no less evident.
      Of course, you can blame the Lada and compare with Mercedes, which means to sign the complete insolvency of the domestic auto industry and eliminate it as unnecessary, why, after all, globalization, let others make cars and planes, and we will buy all this for resources. But the Chinese will never even think of scolding their cars even if they are inferior to the Lada for example and developing their auto industry.
      Therefore, scolding your remember that you are thus completely deprived of the sense of self-preservation of the nationAnd your work, no matter in which field you work, with such an attitude will soon become useless to anyone, and you yourself will be supplanted by more united and strong competitors.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. sergo0000
        sergo0000 21 June 2013 12: 03 New
        +3
        Ascetic
        You can’t say better! good
        By the way, now, in China, they produce quite competitive cars!
  2. The comment was deleted.
  3. Warrawar
    Warrawar 21 June 2013 08: 38 New
    12
    The media has long been forcing to be responsible for their words! That would be disinformation to disinformation!
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 21 June 2013 08: 55 New
      +4
      screams of freedom of speech will immediately begin, although it is clear that they scream primarily about the freedom of journalistic speech ...

      one of the oldest professions, in other words, the classic "d ... e ... r ... b ... m ... o ... nation"
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 21 June 2013 10: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Warrawar
      The media has long been forcing to be responsible for their words!

      The trouble is that the law on the media spells out rights, not duties and responsibilities for the "bazaar". And in another way, most of the media products are hard to name. This is used not only by our libroids, who receive grants from ... Therefore, most of the news reports, analytics, reviews are purely custom-made material. And whoever pays the money is the one who “dances” the journalist. And without "custom-made money," so many journalists would go around the world with a bag. My wife is a journalist. Her editorial assignment from the publisher is to make 2 pages (somewhere between 8-9 thousand characters) with the Minister of Government of the Territory. It takes three or four days to agree with the press officer ... and this despite the fact that she worked for several years as a press officer for a number of departments of the regional administration .. a day for writing the material ... another week for proofreading and coordination with the author .. .pot still coordination after recruitment ... for all this work - 3-4 thousand pe!
      So journalists take up any task to live ...
  4. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 21 June 2013 08: 39 New
    +4
    it’s worth considering - is it the Russian media, or just call yourself that !? It’s time for a long time to attract for lies or information distortion, so the West has begun not one aggression with the help of such stuffing - and these countries are being poured with their slops as soon as possible - how much can you !? there must be an article for defamation, and damage to the state by knowingly false information or fabricated !?
    1. mark1
      mark1 21 June 2013 08: 49 New
      +7
      Probably our site should also think about how to make explicit disinformation come out, at least with a note - "false information".
      You can simply print the title of the unverified information in yellow.
      1. orff
        orff 21 June 2013 09: 07 New
        +4
        articles for filling the site really rivet quickly. it is clear that someone needs a rating, they send a lot off-topic, a lot of flooding, false information. This is the fault of the moderators.
        one must be more responsible, comrades!
  5. igor36
    igor36 21 June 2013 08: 40 New
    +4
    For readers, we are in a hurry to inform you that a stern trigger pontoon has already been installed under the aft section of the DVKD Vladivostok at the Baltic Shipyard. Construction was carried out in strict accordance with the schedule, and 26 June section will be launched. At the end of July, she will arrive in France for final docking with the Vladivostok hull, and in October the finished ship will be launched.

    The best refutation of all the trembling of the yellow press will be a direct report on launching on June 26.
  6. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 21 June 2013 08: 43 New
    +2
    That's why mugs are beaten up by mugs. More sales than customers of "Chernukha" have bred.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 21 June 2013 10: 57 New
      12
      Quote: a.hamster55
      That's why mugs are beaten up by mugs. More sales than customers of "Chernukha" have bred.

      Very "touched" is the radio am And why is it called the Echo of Moscow, and not the echo of the Zionists ???

      1. matross
        matross 21 June 2013 14: 17 New
        +2
        Radio station of the invaders! good laughing Echo Matzah - Moishe's Ear!
        1. builder
          builder 22 June 2013 00: 26 New
          +1
          Radio station of the invaders!
  7. RA77
    RA77 21 June 2013 08: 45 New
    0
    Well, sue. ON RIA and / or official of this.
  8. seller trucks
    seller trucks 21 June 2013 08: 45 New
    +1
    Why Russian media are always ready to believe


    and this author decided that the Russian media?
  9. omsbon
    omsbon 21 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +1
    Media should not be private, expressing the point of view of their master!
  10. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 21 June 2013 08: 52 New
    +7
    “Sensation”, despite its apparent inconsistency with reality, was immediately picked up by the domestic media (like “tape.ru”),

    Something like that, and such a resource as Lenta.ru is, along with Echo of Moscow, one of the most Russophobic, who with special relish exaggerate all sorts of rumors directed against our country
    1. Farik
      Farik 23 June 2013 14: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Something like that, and such a resource as Lenta.ru is, along with Echo of Moscow, one of the most Russophobic, who with special relish exaggerate all sorts of rumors directed against our country

      An information war has long been unleashed against us in which we are sometimes not “on top”.
  11. treskoed
    treskoed 21 June 2013 08: 55 New
    +1
    We are waiting for a report on launching!
  12. valokordin
    valokordin 21 June 2013 08: 56 New
    0
    Let me say that every lie in our time will always find fertile ground, because the current government and society on which the bourgeois parasitize has created an atmosphere of unbelief. Now the word is believed only in the bad, the good is not. All good promises of power are not fulfilled, or are partially fulfilled; bad news comes on its own. The disbelief of the authorities, the media, and even each other are the consequences of the last bourgeois counter-revolution led by the empire of goodness of the USA. People do not believe anyone and nothing, and if there is no faith there is no state. When the media dismissed Yakunin, the majority believed it because they wanted to believe it and many then became disappointed. They believed after removing Serdyuk from office that he would be punished, and now they are disappointed. For lies and bullying, the media should at least be financially responsible, although the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation also has a criminal one, but then the howl about freedom of the press will begin again, especially from shit.
  13. Jarserge
    Jarserge 21 June 2013 08: 59 New
    +2
    Someone said that a journalist is a person who knows how to fold and smoothly, sometimes convincingly, to speak on a topic that he does not understand and does not have the slightest idea. Well, if you add to this also venality ...........
  14. AKOL
    AKOL 21 June 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    In fact, until they begin to take measures for aphthora of such ducks, ducks will appear moreover regularly. This is one of the links in creating the negative image of Russia outside the country and at the same time, the influence on fragile minds inside, i.e. in my understanding a crime. I don’t need to explain what to do with the criminals, but in fact with the enemies of the country.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 21 June 2013 10: 34 New
      +1
      Soft measures cannot solve the problem - this whole journalism mimics patriots, and then vice versa - “the dog barks, the wind wears, the money doesn’t smell” - that’s their motto.
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +1
    One must still learn to deal with such stuffing. If for such slander they do not put on 15 days, then at least it is correct to refute them - with facts, with pictures, with video. What did it cost a shipyard's public relations person to organize a report on the real situation with this section? Reporting for 5 minutes, an intelligible story, and the throw-in teammates are sitting in a puddle.
  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 June 2013 09: 16 New
    +1
    Here are the crackers ... And the shipbuilders are great !!
  17. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 21 June 2013 09: 17 New
    +1
    Why are Russian media always ready to believe that “the Russians are disgraced” ??? Because accounting is usually located behind the cordon. But the authors of anti-Russian “super-sensations” do not care that it’s crap, the loan for Beha is crushing, and we should take a mortgage to an apartment in Moscow.
  18. Pacifist
    Pacifist 21 June 2013 09: 20 New
    +2
    About tape.ru and tapeworms ... these are already common nouns like "British scientists" ... you can use them to build an analytical indicator of crap, it will clearly report the next tranche of "partners" to "free media."
  19. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 21 June 2013 09: 21 New
    +1
    who owns the media?
    1. Mr.
      Mr. Gambu4aS 21 June 2013 09: 34 New
      +1
      Haggard Russophobes! hi
  20. fedorovith
    fedorovith 21 June 2013 09: 40 New
    0
    So if you know the largest domestic information agency, so what's the matter? Find the "unnamed source" and tear his tongue out for this lie. that the following "unnamed" would think.
    1. Pacifist
      Pacifist 21 June 2013 09: 55 New
      +1
      In fact, such information may be indicative of a violation of the law ... here, of course, a competent lawyer is required ... but as far as I remember there is a law on defamation ... it will be necessary to read whether there is any composition for this case. In general, fedorovith, I agree. For this it is necessary to cut down the wood and in the wort. This is a direct information diversion.
  21. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 21 June 2013 09: 42 New
    +2
    I consider it necessary to check whether the statement of the deputy really took place. Minister for breaking deadlines, if so, then the Deputy Minister should be freed from the heavy burden of working in the ministry, and generally not accept civil service. And then it seems that officials from the media arranged a business, any whim for your money.
  22. shinobi
    shinobi 21 June 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Business, nothing personal. The weapons produced in Russia still have one parameter that no one has yet been able to reproduce. Unless the Germans got very close. This parameter, the price / quality ratio. The main types of Russian weapons are not inferior in their combat properties, and often and they are superior to their Western counterparts. They only cost several times less. When buying weapons, by default it is believed that they will fight and ultimately destroyed. Which means the cheaper the device performing its task, the better. The fact that the war is won is not the one who has more weapons, and the one who can reproduce it faster has never been able to change. Hence the second fact is the soaring west, countries that are fighting or preparing to fight, prefer to buy Russian weapons. A beaten example. For the money spent on the purchase of the American Mk, you can buy four Kalash. At the same time, the United States products, not only small arms, are intolerant of a careless attitude during operation, unlike the Russian one. Only shit. But throw in the media fan.
  23. little man
    little man 21 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +3
    And why at once(!) After the release of the defamatory article, the article in the central newspapers and on the TV that ... at the Baltic plant, the fully assembled feed section is being prepared for launching! .
    It turns out that the leadership of the armed forces do not care about their reputation?
    1. Coward
      Coward 21 June 2013 14: 56 New
      0
      And thank God that such a refutation did not come out. A fully assembled hull is lowered into the water, and not its individual sections.
  24. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 21 June 2013 10: 00 New
    0
    It’s necessary to immediately give out the stigma to this edition: NPO !!!!!!
    and immediately a bunch of checks
  25. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 21 June 2013 10: 19 New
    0
    SUCH informants (especially domestic ones) should be bred into grandmothers after stuffing false information. And promptly report SUCH informants in all news channels. So that it was not disgraceful! am
  26. ALPETSEM
    ALPETSEM 21 June 2013 10: 24 New
    0
    It’s just that it is necessary to file claims for slander more often against such scribblers, they might think what can be written and what is not worth it.
  27. Galinanp
    Galinanp 21 June 2013 10: 28 New
    +2
    To make sure. that the media is under the control of the Anglo-Saxons, you just need to turn on the zombie box, the news release - some sort of hot topic, then some sort of significant meeting of the government or the State Duma, and away we go - a lift got stuck on wal street in the skyscraper, the FRS printed the next batch green candy wrappers, a Hollywood shabby old man got married for the seventh time, now on a youngster, etc., etc. And what happens in Russia except for crime, in the countries of the former USSR, in a word or outside the brackets. Presented: here in the west is the metropolis, there is life, there is the center of everything. At a rally against media lies on May 18, E. Fedorov read out a list of leaders of television and radio companies prepared by the State Department and who are in their service. And he called the time -2014 year, when radical changes will begin, including in the media. Faster, already got it all.
  28. Dromac
    Dromac 21 June 2013 10: 50 New
    0
    Glory to the eggs! Well, I could not believe in this nonsense. Here, everything needs to be checked, to wait for a refutation. In short, the ruble to punish these sources and specific, in a different way they do not understand.
  29. krez-74
    krez-74 21 June 2013 11: 08 New
    -1
    In the article “To be Russian means to be free,” I left a comment that Russians are too easily guided in the “right” direction. This often leads to disastrous results ... Both in this article and in everything on the Internet they present good in a bad light, and very many are led to this.
  30. bddrus
    bddrus 21 June 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    Yes, it’s not just the media:
    the news that the KA-52 was not allowed to speak during the air show due to the visit of the French Prime Minister - immediately comment that the "putinoids" are being excused, but in reality they have not complied with the requirements of the dispatcher, as they have done so and say they were released immediately.
  31. Volkhov
    Volkhov 21 June 2013 11: 54 New
    -5
    Interesting names in the "Mistral" - Vladivostok and Sevastopol. The first "Sevastopol" appeared in the fleet after the surrender of Sevastopol to the Germans in 42 - the battleship "Paris Commune" was renamed. The city of Vladivostok is now under the threat of seizing the DPRK and there is nothing to protect it - their decision to take / not take ... Sevastopol is already Ukrainian, although there is a rental plot in the port. Planned story.
    It is necessary to prepare the withdrawal of the population (the elite itself will run away) on about. Russian in Vladivostok and Crimean mountains in Sevastopol are good places like Masada in Israel.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 June 2013 11: 58 New
      +2
      You have some interesting conclusions. Straight still remains to be wrapped in a sheet and slowly crawling into the cemetery.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 21 June 2013 12: 31 New
        -1
        Although some specifics are in favor of the Russians, there is only fog and nonsense in the media, no information or recommendations.
    2. Coward
      Coward 21 June 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Volkhov
      The city of Vladivostok is now at risk of seizing the DPRK and there is nothing to protect it - their decision to take / not to take ...

      DPRK ?????? belay
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 21 June 2013 15: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Coward
        DPRK ??????

        The world is divided into 2 systems - Zion and Reich, the Russian Federation refers to Zionism, the DPRK to the Nazis, and this is their closest province to Primorye. With the transition of war to an open phase, they will go on the offensive.
        1. Coward
          Coward 21 June 2013 17: 04 New
          0
          You seem to be writing from a parallel world. In our world, the Nazis are more likely to be classified as Nazis with their Bushido code. And then they will gladly go on the offensive on Vladik.
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 21 June 2013 17: 32 New
            -1
            The Japanese have already traveled to the DPRK - they smoked enough for them under the guise of a Kuril.
          2. Volkhov
            Volkhov 22 June 2013 01: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Coward
            from the parallel world write

            Well, yes - in our world, atomic warfare, shell depots are torn, ships and submarines torpedoed, cities in ruins, part of the territory of the Russian Federation in the Arctic is occupied ...
            And you must have communism, Gorbachev is gardening in the Krasnodar Territory, Buranas snooping around their orbits, the Aral Sea is filled with Siberian water, Tajiks and Uzbeks grow cotton and go to Moscow only on vacation ...
            We must try to get to you.
    3. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 21 June 2013 16: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Volkhov
      The city of Vladivostok is now at risk of seizing the DPRK and there is nothing to protect it - their decision to take / not to take ...

      You tell me - why Кorey Нarodnoy Дdemocratic РOur Vladivostok ?! And by what forces can the North Koreans capture him ?!
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 21 June 2013 17: 33 New
        -2
        And why do the Finns Karelia - allied actions.
  32. Captain45
    Captain45 21 June 2013 12: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Warrawar
    The media has long been forcing to be responsible for their words! That would be disinformation to disinformation!

    In the subject quote: "What is the way out?
    Just look at the experience of the West itself. They, being the developers of information technologies themselves, are well aware that at the same time it is necessary to develop measures to counteract the use of these technologies on the enemy’s own population. And in general, I must admit, everything has been invented for a long time.
    This is done without obvious evil censors, which irritate both journalists and readers, much more subtly and elegantly - by the methods of self-censorship of journalists and the collective responsibility of publishers, editors and the journalists themselves, and so that the whole kitchen is completely invisible to the outside observer. An outsider, in the simplicity of his soul, is absolutely convinced that the media in the West are completely free and independent, and if they are connected by something, then only by the economic realities of the functioning of the media system.
    This subtle technology of managing the media through invisible (or almost invisible!) Threads, long mastered in the West, we have to master in Russia in order to elementarily protect our people from the completely destructive effects of the information war, threatening Russia with revolutions, monstrous cataclysms, the collapse of the state, millions of lost human lives, total poverty and other catastrophic consequences.
    And in recent weeks, the situation has begun to rapidly shift in a positive direction.
    A new inter-factional deputy group, Russian Sovereignty, was formed in the State Duma, which deputies from all four factions represented in the State Duma have already joined or are planning to enter — communists, right-Russians, Eldepeer’s, and, of course, United Russia. The coordinator of the deputy group “Russian Sovereignty” is deputy Evgeny Fedorov. This deputy group began developing a series of truly revolutionary bills aimed at restoring Russia's full sovereignty. There are many such bills, but within the framework of this topic, we are primarily interested in the draft Federal Law “On Amending the Law of the Russian Federation“ On the Media ”.
    The all-Russian public organization “Journalists of Russia”, represented by the author of these lines and a number of other members of the organization, entered the working group to develop this crucial (without exaggeration!) Draft law. And this draft law, I must say, is truly REVOLUTIONARY, capable of literally blowing up the information space in Russia and radically changing the balance of power between the media in a statist and anti-state position (although, of course, no one openly recognizes the latter). "The full article can be read here: http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2013/06/nakanune-revolucii-v-smi.html#more
  33. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 21 June 2013 12: 11 New
    -1
    Here is just the most curious: there have always been a lot of yelling and screaming about the usefulness of the "Mistral" for our Navy. It would seem that here is a gift from the press on the subject of a foreign ship, a trough, etc. However, now we defend the Mistral
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 June 2013 12: 18 New
      +1
      It is not Mistral who upholds, our shipyards and our shipbuilders in particular uphold. We can build better than the Mistral, only this "better" has yet to be designed, and it will take years.
  34. mirror
    mirror 21 June 2013 12: 15 New
    0
    You can, of course, blame the unknown "well-wishers" for everything. Yes, and there are surely such. But only in PR is there such an effect: in the information vacuum the most ridiculous rumors are born - you do not even need any secret enemies. Remember when the Kursk drowned, the Navy leadership hid information or issued a complete heresy? Or when the Chernobyl exploded? How many rumors and outright nonsense went in the media? How did the unknown “experts” appear?
    It’s time to already grasp the gentlemen or comrades who are responsible for working in this very Baltic plant or in the USC - information needs to be managed! Need to get ahead of events. Who prevented them from reporting to the media with a press release that they say so and so, the feed section will be completed by a certain date, then that it is already preparing for launching, etc.
    One who conceals information wages an information war against himself.
  35. 128mgb
    128mgb 21 June 2013 12: 25 New
    0
    Somehow I found out how much NATO stands out for propaganda for Ukraine and oh .. I was very surprised in general. I can imagine how much is allocated for different votes in Russia.
    Speaking of Serdyukov in Skolkovo hear anything? Or quack quack too?
  36. RPD
    RPD 21 June 2013 13: 12 New
    0
    the second oldest is the magazine-whore ...
  37. agbykov
    agbykov 21 June 2013 13: 22 New
    0
    Do not judge by yourself (parable)

    Two people are standing on the sidelines
    They talk about something, about their own.
    Attention is not attracted very much -
    But how many are found around?

    Two friends and a drinker,
    Pass by, reasoning like this:
    “Probably think a little drink,
    Come on and we are friends, after all! ”

    Behind them - a couple of womanizer.
    They justified the meeting as follows:
    “They’re thinking how to avoid the announcement,
    Yes, take a walk without "lighting up" in any way. "

    Another pair of topics goes the route
    And he says one to another:
    “Talk lightly! It’s like about the mountain!
    And in my soul - such a mess. ”

    ... how often we judge people easily,
    Based on one’s own motives.
    Therefore - we won’t blame others,
    Let’s look without addiction in yourself!
  38. knn54
    knn54 21 June 2013 13: 26 New
    +3
    In Russia (and here too) practically ALL the media are misinformation: the dog barks, the wind wears.
    For libelous information and more money give. And if something - they misunderstood ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 June 2013 13: 38 New
      0
      Thanks, laughed ... laughing
  39. washi
    washi 21 June 2013 15: 26 New
    0
    OJSC Baltic Shipbuilding Plant is not a state. campaign. People played on her shares
  40. The comment was deleted.
  41. Tao
    Tao 21 June 2013 16: 28 New
    0
    Why the "Russian media" ... because THEY ARE NOT RUSSIAN! but under the control of the Jews. And this people has long been famous for their hatred of the Russians
  42. strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 22 June 2013 08: 23 New
    0
    The blow was inflicted on the reputation of the leadership of the Armed Forces. Here's a joke - so a joke wassat laughing out loud. Is there even a little living space where to beat something? Ah, article writers?
    Quote: Volkhov
    It is necessary to prepare the withdrawal of the population (the elite itself will run away) on about. Russian in Vladivostok

    And what is there - on the Russian island - to catch the population? To live in the summit new buildings? Or learn at FEFU? They say Ilya Lagutenko himself will teach vocals hi
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 26 June 2013 15: 37 New
      0
      The island is elevated, Vladivostok will be flooded, and the Russkiy archipelago will squeeze up like a ridge, it’s just such a geology, it was already a ridge, then it fell - you can see by the bend of the layers.