The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 18 June 2013

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Everything is clear with Turkey. "Turkish summer" will not. It could not be because it is the "Arab Spring" is exactly the opposite.

In the spring of 2011, secular officer regimes in Egypt, Tunisia, and then in Libya were demolished with the help of an impoverished Arab street, for which political Islam was the only form of protest. It was a rebellion of a desperate majority. Today in Turkey, a secular pro-Western minority is protesting against the regime of Prime Minister Erdogan, carrying out the creeping Islamization of the anticlerical republic created by Ataturk in his time on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire.

In fact, this is the Turkish "marsh" - to make it easier. The creative class, the youth, the Europeanized get-together, the leftist punks ... The significant difference is that behind them is really a powerful old Republican elite, political parties that have never won the elections, but always got power from the hands of the military. And most importantly - these military, the Turkish army, the former guarantor of a secular state, lost all its political privileges, beheaded and humiliated by Erdogan.

The “Ergenekon” case, an organization of conspirators allegedly preparing a coup to overthrow the Erdogan government, dragged on from 2007 of the year. In the case, there were about 400 people - representatives of higher generals, university professors, deputies, leaders of various political organizations, from extreme nationalists to communists, writers, journalists ... The main figures - first of all, generals and officers - were sentenced to periods from 18 to 20 years.

The case of "Ergenekon", which possesses signs of quite a Yezhov's imagination, is directly a Trotsky-Bukharin plot, a mixture of a hedgehog with a snake. At the same time, all these people are really enemies of Erdogan and Erdoganov's Turkey. And this is quite a tool of political cleansing of the same army. By the way, if it were not for this purge, the military would already be sitting on the spot of Erdogan. Today Erdogan is completely confident in himself. He is an extremely tough politician, stubbornly pursuing his goals. And this goal is to become the leader of the Islamic world and make imperial Ottoman revenge.

In the spring of 2010, Turkey provoked a high-profile conflict with Israel over the so-called "Flotillas freedom, heading to blocked Gaza. Earlier, in December 2008, Erdogan broke off the peace talks between Israel and Syria, in which the Turks were mediators. During the "Arab spring" Erdogan, with active US support, promoted the Turkish model as a model for Islamic revolution, and itself as its leader.From the very beginning of the civil conflict in Syria, Turkey has acted as a provocateur, organizer and sponsor of the anti-Syrian Islamist opposition, together with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.

Erdogan, with his pan-Islamist ambitions and with his resolved, sham conflict with Israel, is undoubtedly an American project. And this project fails, including in Syria. The protesting Turkish opposition, also quite pro-Western, pro-American, not to mention the Turkish army. That is, it is an adjustable conflict. And so, by the way, no reaction from the regulator we do not hear. The State Department is silent, as water in his mouth scored.

"Gray in apples cockroach Janissary favorite!"
"Defeated Janissaries!"

The authorities of Erdogan today are not in danger. However, he had serious problems. In any case, he will now not be up to Syria.
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  1. +4
    19 June 2013 10: 27
    Who is next after Turkey .. ?? France..
    1. 755962
      +6
      19 June 2013 10: 51
      Turkish Foreign Ministry called the British ambassador "on the carpet"
      Yesterday, a British charge d'affaires was summoned to the Turkish Foreign Ministry to clarify reports of wiretapping at the G20 summit in the UK.
      In particular, the Turkish side expresses concern over the information on the surveillance of the British special services by the Turkish Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek and expects to receive official and comprehensive explanations on this issue, the reports said. Earlier Monday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said that such actions by the authorities of the union state are absolutely unacceptable, reports "Interfax".



      http://file-rf.ru/news/14259


      Being on the verge of revolution, the Turks are also trying to kick back - their courage should be respected
    2. 0
      20 June 2013 01: 22
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Who is next after Turkey .. ?? France..


      Good, and better to immediately separate California from America.
  2. +7
    19 June 2013 10: 28
    And for some reason I am sure that what is happening in Turkey, this someone's skillful "put a spoke in the wheels" ... Now Turkey is definitely not up to Syria!
    1. not good
      0
      19 June 2013 20: 39
      Or maybe someone else is deliberately rocking Turkey, so that at a certain moment, to unite the nation, to arrange a small victorious war with Syria ????
  3. Nevsky
    +6
    19 June 2013 10: 28
    Shakespearean question?

    Who should be supported in Turkey - moderate secular Muslims, in whose ranks LGBT activists are marching, or the Erdogan regime, which considers the Islamists to be at war in Syria that eat the insides of the murdered one - rebels for free Syria?

    Reason for posing the question 0:23 sec.



    That is the question? wassat
    1. +2
      19 June 2013 10: 53
      Straight passion according to Shakespeare! laughing
    2. 0
      19 June 2013 11: 49
      Quote: Nevsky
      That is the question

      They just itch in obscene places, wah-wah. (23-27 seconds rule)
      It is a pity that the Egyptians and Libyans did not run with such flags. It would look exclusively according to Shakespeare's.
    3. 0
      20 June 2013 01: 25
      Quote: Nevsky
      That is the question? wassat


      Now, if, according to the journalist, the army will take up the matter, then most likely they will be outraged by Erdogan himself.
  4. +2
    19 June 2013 10: 37
    I did not like the analysis, absolutely! It just seems to me that a command was given from above to Leontiev to voice these events so that this does not happen again in Russia. Yeah, Turkish swamp. Do not forget - only Moscow was on strike in Russia. In Turkey, the whole country is seething.
    1. +7
      19 June 2013 10: 53
      Quote: Karavan
      Do not forget - only Moscow was on strike in Russia. In Turkey, the whole country is seething.

      Exactly! Of course, people came to Moscow from the regions, but this is not more than a couple of thousand, and those usually took in buses.
      1. 0
        19 June 2013 11: 27
        Quote: Manager
        and those were usually taken on buses.


        Many buses bound for Moscow were delayed. In St. Petersburg, there were also large-scale unrest.
    2. Nevsky
      +11
      19 June 2013 11: 19
      Quote: Karavan
      I did not like the analysis, absolutely! It just seems to me that a command was given from above to Leontiev to voice these events so that this does not happen again in Russia. Yeah, Turkish swamp. Do not forget - only Moscow was on strike in Russia. In Turkey, the whole country is seething.


      Trailer, do not forget, Turkey is a continuous resort, and wherever there is a resort, there is also a creative class. I live in the resort Berdyansk, here in 2004 Yushchenko was supported by 22%. This is despite the fact that 95% of Russian-speaking Ukrainians and Russians are here. Proletarian Mariupol is 65 km away. There, only 4% of Yushchenko supported.

      Comments are redundant. The more pseudo professions and entrepreneurs of various recreational and recreational industries, the greater the likelihood of Maidan and Bolotnaya.
    3. +3
      19 June 2013 15: 45
      Trailer
      It is strange that you had such an opinion - you know Leontyev and his position - this is his consistent opinion, and he will never say differently, order-do not order, the wrong person .... Personally, he impresses me with his position, and I agree with him very often.
    4. +1
      19 June 2013 16: 09
      Quote: Karavan
      only Russia went on strike in Russia. In Turkey, the whole country is seething.

      We do not know this, maybe only the "swamp" ones are on strike there, and the media write that the whole of Turkey has risen?
    5. Gloomy
      +1
      19 June 2013 19: 34
      Do not forget - only Moscow was on strike in Russia.


      Moscow population:11 977 988 people (2013) + 5 - 6 million visitors (constantly).

      The number of protesters at the "Bolotnaya" maximum maximum of 50 thousand people.

      What kind of "on strike" Moscow are you writing about? OBB!
    6. 0
      20 June 2013 03: 12
      You read something wrong ...
  5. +5
    19 June 2013 10: 41
    I’m not sure that in this case, Leontiev is right. The confrontation lasts too long. And then, the support of the Syrian gangs by the Turks must have come around. That's it ... it began. The Americans are silent simply because they have politically embarked on. In Syria in the same scenario, we support the opposition, but what about the friend Erdogan? Doesn’t it end there at the direction of anyone ... On the contrary, the protests will grow, covering an entire large territory ...
    1. +4
      19 June 2013 10: 58
      In my opinion, Turkey itself, on the issue of choosing a civilization, has risen to the limit.
      1. +1
        19 June 2013 18: 59
        Quote: sergo0000
        In my opinion, Turkey itself, on the issue of choosing a civilization, has risen to the limit.

        Earlier, in December 2008, Erdogan foiled peace talks between Israel and Syriaon which the Turks were intermediaries. During the Arab Spring, Erdogan promoted a Turkish model with active US supportl as a model for Islamic revolutions, and yourself as its leader. From the very beginning of the civil conflict in Syria, Turkey has acted as a provocateur, organizer and sponsor of the anti-Syrian Islamic opposition, together with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.

        And everything almost coincides in time ...............
        Roland DUMA, ex-Foreign Minister of France

        In an interview with French television channel LCP former head of the Foreign Ministry, Roland Dumas said:

        “I intend to tell you something. Two years before the outbreak of violence in Syria, I was in England, on completely different matters. There I met with senior British officials, and they confirmed to me that they were up to something in Syria. Everything was planned in England, and not in America, and Britain was organizing the rebellion in Syria. They even asked me - although I have long been no foreign minister - do I want to participate in this? Naturally, I refused, saying that I am a Frenchman, and such matters do not interest me. ”

        Dumas did not stop there and read the channel audience a short lecture about the real causes of the war, which claimed at the moment the lives of tens of thousands of people.

        “This operation was conceived long ago. She was prepared, predetermined her course and planned. Speaking about this region, it is important to understand that the Syrian regime is openly anti-Israeli. Accordingly, everything that happens in this region - and I heard it from the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Israel. He told me: "We will try to get along with our neighbors, but those who disagree with us will be destroyed." This is such a kind of politics, such a view of history, and why not. But you must be aware of this. ”

        Dumas is a retired French Foreign Minister, and he is required to show prudence by divulging secrets that could harm his country's foreign policy. That's why he made a slip of the tongue - "I am a Frenchman, and such matters do not interest me." He could not reveal the role of France in the British plan, since he could become a victim of criminal prosecution for revealing state secrets.
    2. +5
      19 June 2013 11: 04
      Quote: domokl
      The confrontation lasts too long

      - So in Turkey - Leontyev clearly voiced - such support! We read: "behind them is a really powerful old republican elite, political parties that never won the election, but always received power from the hands of the military. And most importantly, these are the military, the Turkish army, the former guarantor of the secular state, having lost all its political privileges, beheaded and humiliated by Erdogan."
      And who supported in Russia? Cowardly "desert walkers"? As soon as there was a threat that the UK could get to them by strings, so everyone stopped supporting and calmed down, went on walking through the deserts. Here's a good advice - walk around your empty while walking, do not twitch once again. Otherwise ... "Expropriation of the expropriated". Unpleasant, passed already, etc. BUT!!!! Judging by the breakthrough in the 30s of the USSR in scientific and technical development - a USEFUL ACTION. Therefore, I hope they will not walk in the deserts for long. Nobody doubts that the "swamp" is their handiwork. AND THIS IS NO ONE GOING TO FORGET !!!!!
  6. +3
    19 June 2013 10: 46
    One side -
    Erdogan, with his pan-Islamic ambitions and his resolved, fake conflict with Israel, is certainly an American project. And this project is failing, including in Syria. The protesting Turkish opposition, also quite pro-Western, pro-American, not to mention the Turkish army. That is, it is a regulated conflict. And therefore, by the way, we don’t hear any reactions from the regulator ...
    .....
    With another -
    The authorities of Erdogan today are not in danger. However, he had serious problems. In any case, he will now not be up to Syria.
    ...
    Is it not more profitable for the State Department to wedge Turkey (a NATO member) into the Syrian conflict.?.
    Thereby:
    - to get an excuse to get in on your own (who said the "last word" that Y absolutely all polymers are about .... with Syria.?.);
    - cause fierce seething in Turkey itself. Thus politically Erdogan (in particular) and the development / strengthening of Turkey (in general)? what

    I am so especially embarrassed by another moment - "In fact, these are Turkish" swamp "- to make it easier. Creative class, youth, Europeanized crowd, leftist punks ... The essential difference is that behind them there is really a powerful old republican elite, political parties, who never won elections, but always received power from the hands of the military. And most importantly, these military men, the Turkish army, which was the guarantor of a secular state, lost all its political privileges, beheaded and humiliated by Erdogan. "
  7. sincman
    +2
    19 June 2013 11: 22
    G8 leaders call on Damascus and rebels to get rid of al-Qaeda-linked groups in final communiqué of Lough Ern summit

    Moscow. June 18. INTERFAX.RU - The Syrian authorities and the opposition fighting against them must expel Al-Qaeda militants and groups associated with the international terrorist network from the country. This statement is contained in the final communique of the GXNUMX summit, which ended on Tuesday in Lough Erne (Great Britain).

    "We call on the Syrian authorities and the opposition at the upcoming conference in Geneva to pledge to destroy and expel from Syria all groups and all militants associated with Al-Qaeda. You should also get rid of any other non-state structures associated with terrorism," the statement says. document.

    The authors of the communiqué expressed concern about the growing religious component of the conflict and emphasized that Syria should belong to all Syrians, including all minorities and religious groups.

    The document also emphasizes that a transitional government should be formed in Syria, the composition of which should be determined as a result of peace negotiations of all parties to the conflict.

    "We strongly support the early holding of a conference on Syria in Geneva in order to fully implement the Geneva communiqué of June 30, 2012, which provides for a number of steps, starting with the creation, by mutual agreement of the parties to the conflict, a transitional governing body with all executive powers," the document says ...


    And one Warrior in the field, if the Truth is behind him! Even considering the G8 format as 7 + 1. Apparently, Putin’s arguments were more convincing!

    http://www.interfax.ru/world/txt.asp?id=313222&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium


    = twitter
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  9. pa_nik
    +2
    19 June 2013 11: 58
    Management of the State Department of all these "seasons" is carried out until a certain time. At some point, they lose control and do not manage the situation in any way, making a good face .. Remember, even though the same Lebanon with the murdered ambassador, Afghanistan, where they have to serve a term of up to 14 years, because they are mocking outside the perimeter .. Life does not teach them nichrome. No. Themselves feed parasites, which are then heroically fought .. cattle. angry
    1. +1
      19 June 2013 18: 06
      with the ambassador killed was Libya
    2. volkodav
      0
      19 June 2013 20: 53
      poorly fed, since they’re soaking them badly laughing
    3. 0
      19 June 2013 23: 13
      Quote: pa_nik
      Themselves feed parasites, which are then heroically fought .. cattle. angry

      So they specifically do this, so that later there is a reason for interference in a particular country.
  10. +3
    19 June 2013 12: 09
    A long time ago there was no Leontyev ...
    I guess I'm completely weaned and forgot how to understand. What did Leontiev want to say? In general, the entire program is a mixture of snake and hedgehog. Something had to be said (TV network, however .... schedule, broadcast ...), but apparently Mikhail had nothing to say. So he scribbled mutually exclusive maxims and contradictions. Salvage worked out ... the request to disperse ...
    One thing is certain - there will be no Turkish summer
    Not a political summer, but a tourist
    From the beginning of Tunisia, then Egypt, now Turkey ....
    Everything available for non-rich people abroad was covered. It's a shame, huh?
    Nevertheless, the Krasnodar Territory is expensive.
    1. +2
      19 June 2013 13: 20
      Quote: Normal
      One thing is certain - there will be no Turkish summer
      Not a political summer, but a tourist
      From the beginning of Tunisia, then Egypt, now Turkey ....

      Let me disagree with you! The tourist summer is already there and will continue. And in Turkey, and in Tunisia, and in Egypt. In all tourist areas, everything is calm! Vacation packages are seized like hot cakes, the flow of tourists has even increased! So that what
      Quote: Normal
      Everything available for non-rich people abroad was covered.

      does not correspond to reality. Do not pump. I am "very aware" of this issue.
    2. 0
      19 June 2013 13: 34

      It looks like Turkey is turning into a theater of the absurd! Although rather a theater of war.
    3. +2
      19 June 2013 15: 44
      Quote: Normal
      Everything available for non-rich people abroad was covered. It's a shame, yes? Still, the Krasnodar Territory is expensive.

      - No, mine (my wife with children and mother-in-law, the boss did not give leave sad, uh, where is the USSR with its strict observance of labor legislation and union vouchers? Then the boss got up without a foot, his wife and her mother drove off so that my ticket wouldn’t be lost) they are resting there now, they will arrive tomorrow night, they will rest in Belek - nothing so criminal and terrible happens there. Drive, relax. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart. In terms of politics, politics, but for now in terms of price / quality ratio, especially in terms of service for children (all kinds of animators and others - I gave the animators children and forgot about them until the evening - so they don’t want to return to the room after the end of the day, they need to continue the banquet laughing ) Turkey has no equal IMHO. I hope that the Russian coast will someday compete. While on the Sochi coast there is complete mess and chaos - no service and price - a glass of coffee on the beach 200 rubles belay Is this coffee made of gold? What is the competition with Turkey with this approach? First, let's put things in order and then gorall "Do not go to Turkey - they zabizayut Asaad!" No offense, it's just the truth.
      1. 0
        19 June 2013 22: 11
        Quote: matRoss
        Let me disagree with you!

        Quote: aksakal
        Drive, relax. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.

        Thanks for the info. Of course, the Egyptian tourist zone in Sinai (I haven’t been to Tunisia, I don’t know) Probably in Turkey politics is politics, and business is business. But still somehow dumb. Maybe I’m worrying in vain, but risking children .... No, really .... I guess I'm on Seliger. But the eldest daughter received a passport and she can no longer be held. She is eager for a classmate to Israel, but here such things ...
        1. 0
          19 June 2013 22: 52
          Friends, I answer with a reputation, who needs it, I will write in a personal with a phone and an address, everything is calm in the tourist zones!
  11. lexe
    +2
    19 June 2013 12: 11
    1937 in Turkey. The unrest highlighted the dissatisfied now they will be cleaned up. The USA helped to identify and rally the dissatisfied with their propaganda. Now all those united in a crowd are judging. Turkey needs the West, and the tough politician Erdogan even more so. unrest created by the old scheme but the goals are new. I think so.
  12. PB1995
    0
    19 June 2013 12: 55
    Quote: Karavan
    I did not like the analysis, absolutely! It just seems to me that a command was given from above to Leontiev to voice these events so that this does not happen again in Russia. Yeah, Turkish swamp. Do not forget - only Moscow was on strike in Russia. In Turkey, the whole country is seething.

    Well, don't forget that Leontyev is broadcasting on Channel One. Well, Kisel also performs something on "Russia-1" there.
  13. +2
    19 June 2013 13: 22
    I confess that at first I was very happy with the events in Turkey and the opportunity to call Erdogan himself a butcher and murderer, as he did with respect to Assad.
    However, today's morning report from Turkey on “Vesti24” with the main characters of the confrontation of Erdogan - LGBT perverts - made me seriously think: which option is worse for Russia, and for humanity as a whole? Turkey as part of an exploding, sowing bloody terror, the Islamist world? Or Turkey as part of the decaying, infecting with its deadly infection all around the western world?
    And while I do not find the answer.
  14. +2
    19 June 2013 13: 31
    I remember there was an article on the pages of VO, which proposed to help Syria to inflame smoldering coals from all opponents of Syria’s neighbors. It seems that these were not assumptions, but sentences winkthat are not meaningless. Turkey is the first, in line with Qatar and Saudi Arabia. fellow
  15. Svyatoslav72
    -2
    19 June 2013 14: 14
    But! Leontiev is the "voice of the Kremlin". Previously, I watched it with interest, while there was an attempt to start implementing the State Ideology and National Development, later it became clear that all good ideas are used for the purpose of propaganda for the PR of Power.
    It was very interesting how the "bogies" and Turkish protests were united with Islamic radicalism and direct coups. With all the antipathy towards the "leaders of the opposition" of the victims of the cop's lawlessness and the Power-having organized criminal groups, sincerely sorry. People suffered for other people's interests, show-offs, bonuses and other people's stupidity.
    Let us return to Turkey, as it became clear further, the far-fetched repressions against secular forces in Turkey and support for Islamization, the desire to recreate the Ottoman Empire is clearly expressed and justified.
    Based on the foregoing, the conclusion suggests itself: - "Whatever Power does not do, it is good, because Power itself does it." AND! behind this lies the fact that: - The Kremlin organized criminal group will do EVERYTHING so that no one can replace her, and will do EVERYTHING so that she will not be "crossed over".
    1. -1
      19 June 2013 21: 40
      Why are you so naive then?) Leontiev the official waterer shit on whom they point a finger. What kind of analysis? What are you speaking about?
      Strange and incomprehensible to me, Navalny took half of the state office for the gills. This is analysis and real work.
      I’ll write for the hundredth time, you can only trust yourself and grandfather Mrka. All.
      1. Svyatoslav72
        0
        20 June 2013 06: 25
        Quote: Sergey_K
        Why are you so naive then?) Leontiev the official waterer shit on whom they point a finger. What kind of analysis? What are you speaking about?
        Strange and incomprehensible to me, Navalny took half of the state office for the gills. This is analysis and real work.
        I’ll write for the hundredth time, you can only trust yourself and grandfather Mrka. All.

        I didn’t beguiled, as I did with a minus and put a plus ?! Read it again, it says who Leo is and who he is plowing for, and how what was done through w ... (in Russian).
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  16. 0
    19 June 2013 14: 25
    Erdogan is not loved in Turkey. For almost a hundred years they lived in a secular state and thanks to this, they escaped from Arab poverty and obscurantism into quite respectable states, with decent industry and agriculture, while not having any oil or gas, but only at the expense of the productive labor of citizens. And now they are trying to drive them into a religious state, and even claims to pan-Turkism. It’s the same as declaring a return to old-believing in Russia and claiming all Slavic territories up to the Austro-Hungarian border, including Poland, plus Courland, Chukhonia and the Baltic states.
  17. arminidi
    +2
    19 June 2013 14: 49
    Who is after Turkey? Who is Turkey’s closest ally in the region? Who is more praised from the West .....
  18. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    0
    19 June 2013 14: 54
    There are already enough revolutions from Russia !!!
    We must already recover, develop and live in peace !!!
  19. +1
    19 June 2013 15: 59
    Erdogan's militant rhetoric towards Syria has noticeably diminished. All his thoughts are aimed at extinguishing the "Arab summer" fire in his own country. Somewhat surprisingly, some of Turkey’s western NATO allies have taken steps to stir up protests from the Turkish opposition. It is too early to talk about the finale and consequences of this struggle between Erdogan and the opposition, but the one who directed this performance is a smart and subtle politician.
  20. -3
    19 June 2013 16: 10
    Which of Leontyev’s analysts, not one of his analysis was justified,
    he is just a showman.
  21. -3
    19 June 2013 16: 51
    At least it is not correct to compare the protest events in Turkey and Russia. The mentality, history, current events and everything else are completely different. The only thing that brings together is Vladimir Vladimirovich’s personal friendship with Tayyip Erdogan and the economic interests of the two countries.
  22. pinecone
    +1
    19 June 2013 20: 04
    Turkey is a NATO member, with the second largest army after the United States among the countries members of this organization, and Americans would have been more comfortable with a secular rather than clerical regime in this state. With the re-Islamization of the country, Erdogan went too far - too hasty and large-scale, which many representatives of Turkish society, especially the intelligentsia (and not only liberal), army circles, teachers, students and people with free professions really dislike, By the way, this spring, By the next anniversary of the capture of Constantinople, in his entourage they started talking about the re-reconstruction of the building of St. Sophia into a mosque. After the reforms of Ataturk, it is used as a museum. It goes to extremes. For example, last year, in the suburbs of Ankara, unknown people smeared with green paint a monument to the father of the founder of the Turkish Republic.
  23. 0
    20 June 2013 02: 23
    I do not think that Turkey is not up to Syria. Do not small wars lead to the unification of the masses? So Turkey can now provoke a conflict with Syria and introduce restrictions in any rallies in connection with the conduct of hostilities. It is a possible option.