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On the ruins of the Union. Do we have a chance to fix it?

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One of the most painful topics in the post-Soviet space is integration. After the collapse of the USSR, for which well-known figures applied their efforts, the republics, which turned out to be independent, began to painfully consider what to do with their independence. And since the collapse of a large country went according to a well-considered plan, most of these republics “came” to the idea of ​​integrating with other territorial entities. With anyone, but not with each other and not with Russia. Some were drawn to Europe, others began to think about how best to “make friends” with the United States, others continued to remain in a half-hung and faint-eyed state from the euphoria of their unexpected freedom. Russia itself of the 90-x sample is a vivid example of state rushing, when the country's political elites did not have their own weight, but worked solely on orders and under the approving exclamations of the new “partners”, occasionally recalling the real statehood and its purpose.


On the ruins of the Union. Do we have a chance to fix it?


However, as time went on, the thought that it would be best for someone not to unite, but, based on objective realities, began to visit the heads of the leaders of the post-Soviet states. Many understood that strengthening political and economic ties with neighbors is much more profitable than searching for illusory credit support from remote states. But at the same time, the thought began to soar into the heads of those same leaders: it is possible to integrate, but a) what the “democratic” sponsors will say, b) to unite around whom and why? At the same time, the indicated points are connected with each other, and therefore they raise doubts: how not to incur the wrath of the progressive world community.

And, really, is there a force in the post-Soviet space that could become the center of a new integration - voluntary and effective integration? Or did the states for the years of their declared independence have managed to distance themselves from each other so much that there is no question of any integration?

If you call a certain state as the center of a possible union, then in certain hot heads it will cause, at best, a mute protest. In this regard, integration should be conducted not around a particular state, but around a certain idea that can give a real impulse that has not yet been felt. Even the integration process between Russia and Belarus is somehow completely worn out, and is a strange phenomenon, when the majority of residents of both countries want to unite, but every time we are told that integration is delayed for one reason or another. The favorite tale of government officials as a reason for the postponement of more deep integration is that the partner allegedly delays this process. Moscow often pokes a finger at Minsk, he doesn't stand aside and starts accusing Moscow of delaying the process. And while this scuffling around the search for those guilty in the post-Soviet space is underway, some are rubbing their hands with pleasure, watching the fruits of their work.

But if the integration in the post-Soviet space requires a single idea that everyone will like, what is it? For decades, such an idea was the construction of communism, then the construction of socialism with a human face. Now, to begin with, it would be possible to find this very human face altogether, in order to start building a certain single state organism based on mutual respect of peoples for each other and authorities for these peoples respecting each other. But, sadly, we just lost the human face. For many, the very notion of “unification” evokes a feeling similar to rejection, and such a person does not even realize that it is he who raised this feeling in himself not at all. He was instilled in him. Inoculated artificially while the country was asleep, and he slept with her. Now human faces can be seen only in old black and white photographs. Today's cadres show us the victory of a single “value” - the value of total consumption, which leaves a stamp on faces. Not. - Human faces are seen today, but only they are barely distinguishable against the general background - against the background of propaganda of contention. After all, discord is so beneficial, and this benefit is described thousands of years ago in one apt expression: divide and conquer.

This expression is translated into reality every day: the division of the Russian people into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, the division into believers and non-believers, the division of believers into separate confessions, the division within confessions, the division of non-believers into those who do not believe in God, those who do not believe in power and in those who already in nothing and do not believe anyone. They are trying hard to divide Ukraine into West and East, isolate the Caucasus from Russia, divide it into loyal and disloyal, “dissatisfied citizens” and “all satisfied provincials,” Georgia and Moldova are ready to surrender for a democratic ration even though separate districts.

For the past quarter of a century, this division has been aggravated. Moreover, if you look at the reasons for the separation, then they are all brought to us from the outside. The Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Caucasian wars in Russia (or does anyone have a firm opinion that Russia fought Chechens and only Chechens in Chechnya? ..), Georgia’s aspiration to NATO with all that it implies. This list can go on for quite some time.

To overcome these psychological barriers and understand that we do not need discord and endless confrontation, much needs to be done. Yes - you and I, it seems, are no longer rehabilitated. There will always be one who, with foaming at the mouth, will argue that integration between the former fraternal republics has no future, since “the goose is not a friend to the pig”. Too nauseating injection to us was made by foreign experts by the hands of our home-grown “geniuses” from politics. But if we have the courage to admit that we missed the moment, could not take the path of mutual respect after total discord, then it means that there is an opportunity to teach our children to make a big mistake.

Someone will say: how to teach, if the generation is lost? .. Yes, not at all lost. Thinking, ambitious, ready to accept sensible things. The main thing is to help reset the raid with which it was covered and covered - the raid of stepping over the interests of neighbors, comrades, representatives of the older generation. To help reset the raid of perception of life exclusively through the consumer lens. After all, the presence of a Lexus or a housemaid from Moldova is not a sign to be proud of yourself ...

It is a pity that the built education system, to put it mildly, is not very actively concerned with the removal of this husk from the younger generation. And our television with some unhealthy rapture will exaggerate and discuss personnel with beating a janitor from Uzbekistan or bullying pupils at an elderly teacher, rather than participate in systematic work to prevent such behavior of adolescents. This is where that very human face is born: at school, on the screen, in the family. And there, and there, and there at the same time. After all, you can tell your child about friendship between nations, brotherhood and readiness to help in difficult times, but after a conversation he presses a button on the remote, and then he will pop up on the screen, after which he will say: “Dad, what the hell are you I was told here! "Or will open the textbook stories, and then there is a paragraph about the "famine in Ukraine as the genocide of the Ukrainian people" or the "occupation of Central Asia by the Russian crown."

In general, we have already made one mistake: we allowed to destroy the country that our fathers and grandfathers were building without remembering personal gain. If we make a second mistake: lead our children along this path, then the price is worthless.
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  1. BARKAS
    BARKAS 20 June 2013 07: 09 New
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    On the ruins of the Union. Do we have a chance to fix it?

    There is no chance whatsoever and you need to create everything anew!
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 08: 00 New
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      Quote: BARKAS
      There is no chance whatsoever and you need to create everything anew!

      Integration is needed. The center of unification is always either big and strong or rich. At present, only Russia can be the center for unification, but there should be no forced unification and there should be no unification according to the principle: "The more we are, the stronger we are." Integration must be carried out on the basis of economic mutuality and political strengthening. Otherwise, donors and adhesions are formed back. I wrote constantly, but I repeat, I like the composition of the current TS, I think that Ukraine would also strengthen it. Against the countries of North Asia, the CU is categorically against hi
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 20 June 2013 08: 06 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        there should be no unification according to the principle: "The more we are, the stronger we are."

        But I do not agree with this, but otherwise you are right.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 20 June 2013 10: 03 New
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          Quote: BARKAS
          But I do not agree with this, but otherwise you are right.


          "At once we are rich, we are not podolaty!" in my opinion already passed, as it is not very
          1. _Forgiven_
            _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 12: 18 New
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            What you wrote brings a little sour taste, I admit it. It's just that there are a lot of political prostitutes in Ukraine who feed from the US state budget, and this, as you understand it, is a serious stumbling block. And about the entrance to the square of the so-called "nationalists" who are fighting for the Ukrainian idea, this is a complete mess. All those young people who come out with Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok stand in the squares for 200 hryvnia a day. What national idea are they talking about if they go to Poland to earn money? You can talk a lot here. Propaganda is powerful, especially if it is not constructive and truthful.
            Until we get rid of acne on our asses in the face of shit, there can be no question of any integration with the countries of the former union. And the idea itself is great, I’m behind it with my hands and feet
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 20 June 2013 13: 57 New
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              Quote: _Forgiven_
              There are simply a lot of political prostitutes in Ukraine who feed from the US state budget, and this, as you know, is a serious stumbling block.


              Well, this is only part of the problem, there are also oligarchic structures striving to distance themselves from Russia, incidentally, their lobbies are much more influential than "talking heads", not the point, on the whole you are right.

              Quote: _Forgiven_
              All those young people who come out with Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok stand in the squares for 200 hryvnia per day. What kind of national idea are they talking about if they travel to Poland to earn money.



              oh-oh-oh, prices have grown since 2005, like it was 100, inflation. As for the idea, I disagree, it is: "- get it!" and it is not at all important that "the polymers pissed away everything," the main thing is that the last one has already been found - the "Prokpemlev" regime of Yanukovych. By the way, is it true that the majority of Ukrainians are confident in the European integration of Ukraine?

              Quote: _Forgiven_
              Until we get rid of acne on our asses in the face of shit, there can be no question of any integration with the countries of the former union.



              is there a "recipe"?
              1. saha6052
                saha6052 24 June 2013 05: 58 New
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                The recipe is simple: leave the Ukrainians alone and deal with acne on their own ass. The best way to integrate the contagious lifestyle. (Not to be confused with gonorrhea).
            2. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 20 June 2013 20: 29 New
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              Quote: _Forgiven_
              What you wrote brings a little sour taste, I admit it. It's just that there are a lot of political prostitutes in Ukraine who feed from the US state budget, and this, as you understand it, is a serious stumbling block. And about the entrance to the square of the so-called "nationalists" who are fighting for the Ukrainian idea, this is a complete mess. All those young people who come out with Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok stand in the squares for 200 hryvnia a day. What national idea are they talking about if they go to Poland to earn money? You can talk a lot here. Propaganda is powerful, especially if it is not constructive and truthful.
              Until we get rid of acne on our asses in the face of shit, there can be no question of any integration with the countries of the former union. And the idea itself is great, I’m behind it with my hands and feet

              You are flying in the clouds.
              Politicians, especially young people, care less about the people. Ordinary people simply seek to survive, such as making ends meet.
            3. teodorh
              teodorh 22 June 2013 01: 15 New
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              Quote: _Forgiven_
              in Ukraine there are a lot of political prostitutes who are fed from the US state budget


              Is this statement documented or common slander?
              1. saha6052
                saha6052 24 June 2013 06: 04 New
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                Is this statement documented or ordinary slander? [/ Quote] Do you see a significant difference between them? I don’t perceive the apologetics of the document, as if it’s hard to make nonsense a document? -It’s funny to God: you need to be bombed, because I have a document that that a sovereign state is engaged in sovereign affairs on its territory, but should be puppet and parasitic. Do you still need - "documents?"
            4. saha6052
              saha6052 24 June 2013 05: 53 New
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              "Propaganda is a strong thing, especially if it is not constructive and not true" - "and genius, paradoxes are a friend," but naivety and stupidity are the enemy? Propaganda is a powerful thing, when it is professional, it adequately evaluates the level of development of the environment subjected to manipulation. "not constructive and not true" for the designated Environment, it will not find the reaction of this environment - money thrown to the wind, and the sponsors do not like it - the economy should be - economical.
          2. saha6052
            saha6052 24 June 2013 05: 44 New
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            Hear here-: we went through different things, therefore we interpret differently, let's slow down and deeper, so that flies and cutlets do not crunch on our teeth - a difficult question, shake the topic: what did I "not suit you well with?" “I have nowhere to put my own, they are dissatisfied with the state, and to be honest with the bureaucracy, but transfer it to the people, who have suffered more from this bureaucracy than anyone else.
        2. mansur
          mansur 20 June 2013 11: 31 New
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          Now, for starters, I would generally find this very human face in order to begin to build a single, unified state organism based on the mutual respect of peoples for each other and the authorities for these peoples respecting each other. But, sadly, we just lost the human face.

          You can agree, but you can not, but a very interesting idea, but in my opinion, all the same, when united, the main thing is the spiritual, moral cultural principle.
          Russia, the Russian Empire or the USSR, gave exactly this to the people, and therefore they were drawn to Russia, to the Russian culture, the language
          1. Che
            Che 21 June 2013 19: 57 New
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            There is always hope for unification. Everyone knows that the collapse of the Union is amersky project. Well, to drive a wedge and small wedges between nations is the first thing for them. It is clear that after all that our enemies have done, it will be difficult and long to unite. Moreover, there will be inevitable opposition from our "partners".
            1. saha6052
              saha6052 24 June 2013 06: 23 New
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              "Everyone knows that the collapse of the Union is an American project." - Could you clarify: to whom is it all? If this were so, probably also countermeasures would have been taken (immunity of the state)? But this is lyricism, but in essence: not only "collapse", but also the creation of the USSR- the project of the West, as, incidentally, Christianity and the present "democracy." The point is that in life we ​​are implementing alien and alien projects not only incapable of implementation, but even honest criticism.
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 20 June 2013 08: 38 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        Integration is needed. The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich. Currently, only Russia can be the center for association

        It’s time to unite, only first to restore order in Russia:
        1. Condemn humpbacked, sentenced to hanging and demand his extradition.
        2. To clean the country from the State Deputies rivals. (For me, 37 is much better than the 90s).
        3. Work for the good of the country ....

        Quote: seasoned
        Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against

        In Central Asia, like everywhere else, normal people live. They just live in the feudal age (in fact), under the khan ...
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 20 June 2013 11: 02 New
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          Quote: ziqzaq
          In Central Asia, like everywhere else, normal people live. They just live in the feudal age (in fact), under the khan ...

          The task of the CU is to reduce the number of migrants from Central Asia, and this can only be done by creating jobs in their countries, and this is the task of the CU. If we fence ourselves off from them, then they will be like rats crawling towards us both legally and illegally. But they are normal people only in their homeland, because there they will be well warmed up for their bad behavior, but here, these migrants behave disgustingly and have nothing to fear, something needs to be done with this.
          1. mansur
            mansur 20 June 2013 11: 21 New
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            Quote: DEfindER
            The task of the CU is to reduce the number of migrants from Central Asia, and this can only be done by creating jobs in their countries,


            And this is true, they will have work, and it will be if we unite as in the Union, then we only thought how to provide everyone with jobs.

            Quote: DEfindER
            But they are normal people only in their homeland, because there they will be well warmed up for their bad behavior, but here, these migrants behave disgustingly and have nothing to fear, something needs to be done with this.

            Quite right, neighbors and relatives will not only warm up at home, but just in Russia who knows him, who he knows, not all of course, behave like that but there are such
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 20 June 2013 20: 22 New
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              Quote: mansur
              as in the Union, then they only thought about how to provide everyone with jobs.

              No, then they thought how to fill the available (and specifically needed) jobs. There was a shortage of workers, and there was also a shortage of engineers. And then the unemployed were called with a very apt word "parasite" and they were employed, sometimes voluntarily and compulsorily. But very many did not want to go to production, but on the contrary wanted to be closer to the distribution of material values. In those factories with which I worked, there were always not enough machine operators, welders, locksmiths, but the jobs of storekeepers were never empty, despite the fact that the storekeeper was officially paid, God forbid, half the locksmith's salary. But the locksmith from the shift went to the tram, and the storekeeper got into the Zhiguli.
          2. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 20 June 2013 11: 49 New
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            Quote: DEfindER
            But they are normal people only in their homeland, because there they will be well warmed up for their bad behavior, but here, these migrants behave disgustingly and have nothing to fear, something needs to be done with this.

            You are completely right, it is necessary to restore order in Russia, return to normal education, and introduce an adequate migration policy. And most of the former republics of the USSR themselves will catch up, but under what conditions they should be accepted, it is very necessary to think over it ....
            I don’t know how anyone, but for me, it’s necessary to return the death penalty: he stole more than a million - a month on time, returned the money - get strict 20 years, but didn’t return - you looped your neck and pulled it up, and even showed it on public television .... ...
            1. Ilya Mikhalych
              Ilya Mikhalych 20 June 2013 17: 48 New
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              Well, the loop around the neck is not so cruel, but if you take away all the property completely and put it on all four sides, then the thieves will climb into the loop themselves.
          3. vBR
            vBR 22 June 2013 23: 28 New
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            I completely agree with the first statement, this is actually the reason for labor migration. But the same is also true within the Russian Federation: half of the labor migrants in Moscow and Moscow Region come from neighboring regions, it is simply that their view does not distinguish a resident.
            But the second one is a myth, intensified by the media, plus sometimes in business they try to beat a competitor with this card (the motives of hitting illegal hostels, etc. were revealed). According to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the crime rate among migrants from the SA is significantly lower than among the local population. Once again, they simply do not go out into the street, fearing police arbitrariness. A man is concerned about how, having earned 15 thousand, send relatives at least 5-7. In most cases, the disgusting behavior is just the citizens of the Russian Federation, who by no means work as janitors, builders or bus drivers. But again - to forbid them to freely move around the country, these are provocative statements that work on protein and bulk ones. All offenses must be qualified as such and individually, without involving ethnocentric explanations.
        2. mansur
          mansur 20 June 2013 11: 16 New
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          Quote: ziqzaq
          It’s time to unite, only first to restore order in Russia:
          1. Condemn humpbacked, sentenced to hanging and demand his extradition.
          2. To clean the country from the State Deputies rivals. (For me, 37 is much better than the 90s).
          3. Work for the good of the country ....

          I agree on all points, only it is better to plant a humpback on an aspen stake and it is desirable when it is crowded on Red Square
        3. bbp
          bbp 20 June 2013 13: 48 New
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          I agree with everything. Ordinary people of the republics of the USSR (including the Baltic republics) have always lived and now live in harmony, but the "khans" and "presidents will not agree to unification.
        4. teodorh
          teodorh 22 June 2013 21: 58 New
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          The feudal age. Well laugh.

          For information, the peoples of Central Asia have never had slavery like you.
          1. saha6052
            saha6052 24 June 2013 21: 46 New
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            Quote: teodorh
            For information, the peoples of Central Asia have never had slavery like you
            “Do you remember Adylova?” The collective farm chairman, Judge, policeman, prosecutor and all in one bottle, under his office was his personal prison, and in order not to carry far, the economy should be economical.
      3. Hleb
        Hleb 20 June 2013 09: 11 New
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        Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against
        it is worth considering that the initiator of the TS was the Central Asian state
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 09: 33 New
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          Integration is needed, but the primary task is to strengthen the Russian economy and increase the well-being of the people. So far, not enough has been done in this direction.
          Until the salaries of the overwhelming majority of the population reach a level close to the average European and the problem of unemployment in the regions is not close to a solution, then there is no point in talking about any integration.
          At the same time, it is necessary to solve social problems, and first of all cleanse our country of all kinds of migrants and those who illegally obtained a Russian passport.
          The success of integration is determined by people, not politics. If integration ideas and documents are not followed by a noticeable improvement in the standard of living of ordinary people, then they have doubts or disappointments in the unifying idea itself.
          Therefore, in order not to bury this idea alive, you first need to pull yourself to a decent standard of living in order to become really attractive to neighbors.
          Integrate with everyone in a row is not necessary.
          And we need unification only with Belarus and Ukraine, both mentally and ethnically native countries. Integration with Kazakhstan is, in principle, not bad. True, the question arises of what will Kazakhstan be like after the departure of the already elderly Nazarbayev from the throne? Will he stay our friend or start rushing from ours to yours and back? And such a probability is already visible today.
          Therefore, genuine integration with Kazakhstan is in question and depends on the post-Nazarbayev course and leadership.
          So the formula for the integration processes looks like this: Russia + Belarus + Ukraine + Kazakhstan (?) = Integration.
          In the long run, if we would be completely unbearable without this, then we can think about Moldova, though ...
          The rest of the former republics of the USSR, located in Central Asia and the Caucasus, we do not need under any sauce.
          This heavy ballast hung on the neck of Russia for too long. Let them survive by themselves. Bilateral relations with them - yes, but unification with them - absolutely no!

          But first you need to make life worthy and attractive in Russia itself!
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 20 June 2013 09: 52 New
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            we will sit and wait what will happen after Nazarbayev’s departure?))
            True, the question arises of what will Kazakhstan be like after the departure of the already elderly Nazarbayev from the throne? Will he stay our friend or start rushing from ours to yours and back? And such a probability is already visible today.

            in Kazakhstan on May 9 they don’t spit on veterans, like in Ukraine. Bandera’s people in Kazakhstan were not made heroes. Such moves to NATO as Ukraine did not do Kazakhstan. Geiparades in Kazakhstan are simply impossible to imagine, unlike Ukraine)) and we swear O.S.K.A.L.I.M. will you rather be called in Ukraine, but not in Kazakhstan. there are a lot of examples .. so where and what is already visible today?
            I understand that you are a comrade-in-arms confident in the pro-Russian future of Ukraine? Will Tymoshenko and Yushchenko not appear in the future? Where does such optimism regarding one and pessimism regarding another country come from?
            1. cartridge
              cartridge 20 June 2013 12: 12 New
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              I understand what I'm talking about. And I agree with your words.
              But ... For example, I am confused by recent statements of Kazakhs on Baikonur ... I am confused by the official Kazakh point of view on Russia as Kazakh oppressors in school history books ... I also do not like the displacement of the Russian language .... And the announced transition Latin is not to your liking ... And what will happen after Nazarbayev? Can you guarantee us friendly Kazakhstan in 10-15 years? Me not!
              Therefore, opposite this country, I put a question mark.
              And you have to fight for Ukraine! We must knock out anti-Russian slogans from the hands of the Russophobes there! And the best way to do this is to increase the living standards of the inhabitants of Russia! Today it is higher than in Ukraine, but when the incomes of our citizens are comparable or close to European, then no one will have to campaign for a vehicle in Ukraine. Themselves will come, including today's ardent opponents of the union.
              1. MG42
                MG42 20 June 2013 12: 30 New
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                Quote: cartridge
                And we must fight for Ukraine! It is necessary to knock out anti-Russian slogans from the hands of the Russophobes there

                Yes, on this forum they are also there, it will be more difficult with those ..
                Quote: cartridge
                And the best way to do this is to increase the living standards of the inhabitants of Russia!

                It’s good, but for too long, in autumn it will be possible to associate with the EU, the Belgorod region as an example is exemplary and indicative adjacent to Ukraine, but it is worth moving a little further into the outback of Russia ..
                Quote: cartridge
                but when the incomes of our citizens are comparable or close to European, then no one will have to campaign for a vehicle in Ukraine

                Galicians will always be against.
                Quote: cartridge
                They themselves will come, including today's ardent opponents of unification.

                No. Now a relatively loyal government to Russia still rules, what will happen if "freedom" increases its representation. The mood is radicalized.
                1. cartridge
                  cartridge 20 June 2013 13: 23 New
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                  If the "svobodovsky chiriy" swells to the size of the whole of Ukraine, then it will be necessary to resort to surgical methods of its removal.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 20 June 2013 13: 52 New
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                    That's right, only the disease is more effective to treat in the early stages ..
                    1. cartridge
                      cartridge 20 June 2013 14: 42 New
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                      This is undeniable! The only thing that there is practically no one to treat this infection in Ukraine today.
              2. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 20: 15 New
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                Quote: cartridge
                For example, I am embarrassed by recent statements of Kazakhs on Baikonur ...

                The essence of the Kazakhs' statements on Baikonur is "Roscosmos, carry out full-fledged work in Baikonur, and do not turn it into rusty unused ruins."
                Quote: cartridge
                I am confused by the official Kazakh point of view on Russia as the oppressors of the Kazakhs in school history books ...

                Have you read Pasternak or do you immediately condemn it? In Kazakh school textbooks there is not a single bad word about the Russian people, BUT it is said that the Russian Empire pursued a colonial policy in Kazakhstan. What confuses you? Don't know what kind of segregation was in relation to foreigners in Ingushetia? If you don’t know and don’t want to study the history of non-Russian lands in the Republic of Ingushetia, then simply accept it as a fact - the policy of the Russian Empire in Kazakhstan was called colonial and oppressive even in the textbooks of Soviet Kazakhstan. Nothing conceptually new Kazakhs in the history textbook regarding the period of being in the RI did not make.
                Quote: cartridge
                The displacement of the Russian language I also do not like ....
                The Russian language, along with the state and English, is taught from kindergarten until graduation. The Russians in Kazakhstan both did not know the Kazakh language, they do not know, and at the same time, they ABSOLUTELY do not encounter any inconvenience in real life. Russians in KZ go to Russian kindergartens, Russian schools, Russian universities, watch TV in Russian, work using Russian, read Russian-language newspapers, buy goods with stickers in Russian. It is strange somehow the Kazakhs infringed them on a linguistic basis ...
                Quote: cartridge
                And the announced transition to the Latin alphabet is not to your liking ...
                Don't you care what alphabet Kazakhs use? Who cares if neither you personally, nor Russian Kazakhs absolutely do not know the Kazakh language? They are not even able to write something in Kazakh in Cyrillic. That "zhekeshelendiru", that "zhekeshelendiru" - for Russians this is an incomprehensible set of letters. And we, Kazakhs, did not have enough to consult with the Russians in what language we should write ... Or maybe the Kazakhs do not like that Russians write in Cyrillic. Will you start listening to our advice in this matter? Well, let me remind you of the kagbe that the Cyrillic alphabet was invented not by the Russians, but by the Bulgarians. So if you have already decided that this is an anti-Russian manifestation, then remember, is it a Russian alphabet?
                Quote: cartridge
                And what will happen after Nazarbayev? Can you guarantee us friendly Kazakhstan in 10-15 years?

                And what will happen after Putin? Can you guarantee Kazakhs friendly Russia in 10-15 years? Especially when you consider that all these years Russia has been a bum to all neighbors in the CIS, but the leaders of Russia and the West were hugging with might and main. You will amaze me in your heart if you say now that all these years after the collapse of the USSR, Moscow tried to get closer to the former CIS countries. Russia these years was like a country that tried to far, far away from its own geography. Not this way? You still call Yeltsin the main integrator of the CIS and the apologist of Eurasianism ...
                1. FRIGATE2
                  FRIGATE2 20 June 2013 20: 40 New
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                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  The essence of the Kazakhs' statements on Baikonur is "Roscosmos, carry out full-fledged work in Baikonur, and do not turn it into rusty unused ruins."

                  I will support Marat, here they have already repeatedly given an objective analysis of this issue, and all sorts of urapatriots, as always, shout ROSSMI
                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  The Russian language, along with the state and English, is taught from kindergarten until graduation. The Russians in Kazakhstan both did not know the Kazakh language, they do not know, and at the same time, they ABSOLUTELY do not encounter any inconvenience in real life. Russians in KZ go to Russian kindergartens, Russian schools, Russian universities, watch TV in Russian, work using Russian, read Russian-language newspapers, buy goods with stickers in Russian. It is strange somehow the Kazakhs infringed them on a linguistic basis ...

                  We have everything in parallel. There are Kazakh and Russian kindergartens. I know that now they want to open schools in English, and it seems like they opened a year ago in Almaty. So there is no truth in the slander of RosSMI about languages ​​in Kazakhstan
                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  Don't you care what alphabet Kazakhs use? Who cares if neither you personally, nor Russian Kazakhs absolutely do not know the Kazakh language? They are not even able to write something in Kazakh in Cyrillic. That "zhekeshelendiru", that "zhekeshelendiru" - for Russians this is an incomprehensible set of letters. And we, Kazakhs, did not have enough to consult with the Russians in what language we should write ... Or maybe the Kazakhs do not like that Russians write in Cyrillic. Will you start listening to our advice in this matter? Well, let me remind you of the kagbe that the Cyrillic alphabet was invented not by the Russians, but by the Bulgarians. So if you have already decided that this is an anti-Russian manifestation, then remember, is it a Russian alphabet?

                  Recently, I have a very bad feeling about many Russians, it feels like talking and texting with a little inadequate, especially after reading posts such as those of PATRON. Some slogans and sentences to neighbors without a personal explanation of the situation.
                  What is the reason for Russian Van to think in what alphabet Kazakhs write? Are you now learning Kazakh in Latin? it’s not happy, but before it was convenient to learn Kazakh in Cyrillic. Well, I do not understand the logic of such. It seems that he is missing or seeing narrowly the world and history. If in the Middle Ages the Russians adopted the Greek-Bulgarian alphabet to their runic alphabet, then what does it look like we all have long been oppressed by Byzantium and Bulgaria?
                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  And what will happen after Putin?

                  Putin VV turned out to be a far inadequate ruler. Of course, Yeltsin’s BN is a little better in managing, but thanks to the security forces, they rule Russia and Putin is the main chairman there and the president in this country.

                  Marat, why aren’t you responding to private messages?
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 23: 36 New
                    +1
                    What messages? Maybe I missed something? Sorry, then. And what kind of messages?
                    1. FRIGATE2
                      FRIGATE2 20 June 2013 23: 41 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Marek Rozny
                      What messages? Maybe I missed something? Sorry, then. And what kind of messages?

                      I wrote in a personal, already forgot about what))) did not save the sent, now I will save. By the way, how do you feel about the works of Anatoly Klesov?
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 18: 20 New
                        0
                        I didn’t read, to my shame. What is he writing about?
                      2. FRIGATE2
                        FRIGATE2 21 June 2013 19: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        I didn’t read, to my shame. What is he writing about?

                        I could be wrong, but you somehow uploaded his information on the site.

                        I advise everyone to read the works of this wonderful person
                        http://aklyosov.home.comcast.net/~aklyosov/
              3. teodorh
                teodorh 20 June 2013 21: 13 New
                +5
                I also want to add Russia literally kicked us out of the ruble zone in the early nineties. Now they want a monetary union). You have to be consistent in your politics.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 20 June 2013 21: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: teodorh
                  I also want to add Russia literally kicked us out of the ruble zone in the early nineties. Now they want a monetary union). You have to be consistent in your politics.

                  What do you mean "kicked out"? Has Russia denied you the right to use the ruble in Kazakhstan? Or has Russia refused the right to issue?
                  1. teodorh
                    teodorh 20 June 2013 21: 39 New
                    +4
                    1993 Russia left the Soviet ruble zone and introduced a new Russian ruble. At the end of the year, Kazakhstan was forced to introduce its national currency.
                  2. FRIGATE2
                    FRIGATE2 20 June 2013 21: 44 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Setrac
                    What do you mean "kicked out"? Has Russia denied you the right to use the ruble in Kazakhstan? Or has Russia refused the right to issue?

                    What do you include Klava Fool. The man wrote quite clearly, and you should know. Why arrange demagogy?
                    1. fisherman
                      fisherman 21 June 2013 07: 29 New
                      +2
                      and you would have "thrown out" too ...

                      I explain for now briefly and in simple words:

                      if in the Russian regions it would be possible to issue (print and issue) Kazakh currency (if I am not mistaken - tenge), then the population of the Russian regions would simply stop working ...

                      instead, it would simply go to Kazakhstan and buy all the necessary goods and products, dropping all inflation (accelerating it) to the Kazakh side, which would produce material wealth (that is, it would simply work for Russian lazy people)

                      I can explain in more detail ...
                    2. teodorh
                      teodorh 22 June 2013 01: 09 New
                      +1
                      I wrote only a fact. Now why are you (at the moment I mean the Russian state) trying to impose a single currency on us within the framework of a TS with an emission center in Moscow? This rhetorical question does not need to be answered. I understand why you need a single currency, but it is not clear why do we need it?
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 20: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: cartridge
            For example, I am embarrassed by recent statements of Kazakhs on Baikonur ...

            The essence of the Kazakhs' statements on Baikonur is "Roscosmos, carry out full-fledged work in Baikonur, and do not turn it into rusty unused ruins."
            Quote: cartridge
            I am confused by the official Kazakh point of view on Russia as the oppressors of the Kazakhs in school history books ...

            Have you read Pasternak or do you immediately condemn it? In Kazakh school textbooks there is not a single bad word about the Russian people, BUT it is said that the Russian Empire pursued a colonial policy in Kazakhstan. What confuses you? Don't know what kind of segregation was in relation to foreigners in Ingushetia? If you don’t know and don’t want to study the history of non-Russian lands in the Republic of Ingushetia, then simply accept it as a fact - the policy of the Russian Empire in Kazakhstan was called colonial and oppressive even in the textbooks of Soviet Kazakhstan. Nothing conceptually new Kazakhs in the history textbook regarding the period of being in the RI did not make.
            Quote: cartridge
            The displacement of the Russian language I also do not like ....
            The Russian language, along with the state and English, is taught from kindergarten until graduation. The Russians in Kazakhstan both did not know the Kazakh language, they do not know, and at the same time, they ABSOLUTELY do not encounter any inconvenience in real life. Russians in KZ go to Russian kindergartens, Russian schools, Russian universities, watch TV in Russian, work using Russian, read Russian-language newspapers, buy goods with stickers in Russian. It is strange somehow the Kazakhs infringed them on a linguistic basis ...
            Quote: cartridge
            And the announced transition to the Latin alphabet is not to your liking ...
            Don't you care what alphabet Kazakhs use? Who cares if neither you personally, nor Russian Kazakhs absolutely do not know the Kazakh language? They are not even able to write something in Kazakh in Cyrillic. That "zhekeshelendiru", that "zhekeshelendiru" - for Russians this is an incomprehensible set of letters. And we, Kazakhs, did not have enough to consult with the Russians in what language we should write ... Or maybe the Kazakhs do not like that Russians write in Cyrillic. Will you start listening to our advice in this matter? Well, let me remind you of the kagbe that the Cyrillic alphabet was invented not by the Russians, but by the Bulgarians. So if you have already decided that this is an anti-Russian manifestation, then remember, is it a Russian alphabet?
            Quote: cartridge
            And what will happen after Nazarbayev? Can you guarantee us friendly Kazakhstan in 10-15 years?

            And what will happen after Putin? Can you guarantee Kazakhs friendly Russia in 10-15 years? Especially when you consider that all these years Russia has been a bum to all neighbors in the CIS, but the leaders of Russia and the West were hugging with might and main. You will amaze me in your heart if you say now that all these years after the collapse of the USSR, Moscow tried to get closer to the former CIS countries. Russia these years was like a country that tried to far, far away from its own geography. Not this way? You still call Yeltsin the main integrator of the CIS and the apologist of Eurasianism ...
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 June 2013 20: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              And do you think the Kazakhs use what alphabet?
              Yes, even if they enter cuneiform. Or nodular letter. Or even writing will be canceled, costing akyns. The Russian will have more chances in a joint venture wink
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 20 June 2013 21: 26 New
                0
                And what is, someone does not like? SOVEREIGN Kazakhs themselves are trying to introduce a primitive Latin alphabet (26 characters, if anyone has forgotten), limiting themselves to the capabilities of this very poor alphabet sounds. They will not learn English from this, they will forget Russian, who is their doctor? Now Ukraine has grown a generation of the same. They practically don’t know Russian (they do not know how to write correctly, and the vocabulary is pretty much cut down), English - similarly, mov (more precisely - its Zapadensky surzhik) in the world nobody needs to fuck. Do you think that these little girls have a wide road ahead and a bunch of opportunities? winked
                1. romb
                  romb 20 June 2013 21: 42 New
                  +1
                  Come on. We are not trying to translate Russian into "cuneiform" or "nodular" letter, namely, our native - Kazakh.
                  The Russian will have more chances in a joint venture

                  Unlikely. Indeed, for this you need to know the Russian language better than most urban Kazakhs. wink
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 20 June 2013 21: 53 New
                    +1
                    Quote: romb
                    We are not trying to translate Russian into "cuneiform" or "nodular" letter, namely, our native language - Kazakh.

                    I have been observing similar linguistics in Ukraine for two decades. So there are already visible results. Not only projections of Ukrainians wink
                    Quote: romb
                    for this you need to know Russian better than most urban Kazakhs.
                    They still know that you still have everything ahead. This process usually goes on increasing, it is worth starting only once ... But this is YOUR country and YOUR right. Well, YOUR rake, respectively ...
                  2. romb
                    romb 20 June 2013 22: 05 New
                    +3
                    Your fears are groundless. We are not going to refuse the Russian language. Kazakhs recognize its importance and special role in building the Kazakhstan society.
                  3. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 20 June 2013 22: 18 New
                    +1
                    Quote: romb
                    Your fears are groundless

                    Life will show request
              2. saha6052
                saha6052 24 June 2013 22: 14 New
                +1
                Very often people confuse the language problem with the brain problem. Northern Kazakhstan is not Asia (although you need to remember-Japan, Korea, China, etc. People walked in silk robes and wrote on paper when our ancestors ran after the beast with clubs and skins ) Europe. Who served in the Navy noticed the difference between Turkmens, Tajiks (not all, but the bulk), southern Uzbeks, generally south, problems with the Russian language and technology, and Kazakhs did not stand out from the mass of Soviet Russian-speakers. And of course, the nationalism of the outskirts is bankruptcy, the failure of Moscow (the level of development of the Moscow establishment, both in the USSR and now is not higher than Pepsi Cola, hence all the problems.
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 23: 06 New
              +7
              The original Cyrillic letters are also not able to convey Kazakh phonetics, because the Kazakh alphabet has more letters than the alphabet of the Russian language. So from the point of view of the Kazakh, the Cyrillic alphabet is no better than the Latin alphabet in terms of displaying Kazakh sounds.
              Latin is not English. And she does not play any role in the question of learning the English language, especially since all Kazakhs already speak the Latin alphabet. In addition, I remind you that the Kazakhs already used the Latin alphabet BEFORE we were introduced to the Cyrillic alphabet in 1940.
              Now we need the Latin alphabet to make it more convenient for us with modern technology (which is mostly produced abroad and usually does not have the support of the Kazakh alphabet based on the Cyrillic alphabet). I have a Nokia phone, which cannot display SMS in Kazakh. With the Latin alphabet, these problems will disappear. In the meantime, I have to write SMS in Kazakh language WITHOUT Kazakh specific letters. Russians do not understand the problems of the Kazakh language.
              In addition, every fourth Kazakh lives historically outside of Kazakhstan: a million Kazakhs in Russia, a million in China, as well as in Iran, Turkey, Uzbekistan, etc. The Kazakh alphabet exists not only in Cyrillic. The Kazakhs of China write in Kazakh based on the Arabic alphabet (there is also the Kazakh alphabet based on Chinese characters, but they are rarely used), Iranian Kazakhs also do not understand texts in the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, but only in Arabic. Kazakhs of Turkey speak only the Latin alphabet of the Kazakh language. The giant mass of Kazakhs cannot communicate with each other in writing because of different alphabets. For us this is an urgent problem.
              Here is an example of how Kazakhs have to write news on the main Kazakhstan news site:

              ASTANA. 20 mousymous. ҚазАқпарат - Бүгин Ақордда ҚР Memkettik hatshysy Marat Tәzhinnің tөraғalyғymen Shet elderde kadlardy dayarlau өnіndegі republicanyқ commissy otyrys bolyp өttі.

              ASTANA. 20 mawsım. QazAqparat - Bügin Aqordada QR Memlekettіk xatşısı Marat Täjïnnіñ törağalığımen Şet elderde kadrlardı dayarlaw jönіndegі respwblïkalıq komïssïyanıñ otırısı bolıp

              استانا. 20 - ماؤسئم. قازاقپارات - بذگئن اقوردادا ق ر مةملةكةتتئك حاتشئسئ مارات ءتاجيننئث توراعالئعئمةن شةت ةلدةردة كادرلارم

              And this is all one note in the same language! It doesn’t matter to the Russians how the Kazakhs are soaring with three alphabets at the same time. And the Kazakhs want to rectify this situation.

              And do not equal us with Ukraine. We have different views, other approaches and problem solving algorithms. And we are used to bringing things to an end. And the Kazakhs do not fight against any language, but on the contrary they are used to believing that the more languages ​​you know, the better. And now it is a state ideology. Every Kazakhstani is obliged to know at least three languages ​​- this is how young people are brought up.
              NB: The older Russian generation is useless to learn the Kazakh language - they do not want to know anything except the Russian language. They always have dozens of excuses ready for them, why they have been living in Kazakhstan for decades and still cannot put two words in Kazakh.
              1. FRIGATE2
                FRIGATE2 20 June 2013 23: 26 New
                +5
                Quote: Marek Rozny
                And the Kazakhs do not fight against any language,

                I agree. And we even consider Russian the native language than even the historical native speakers themselves, the Russian treasury for us and the treasure of history and our common Turkic language. How much Turkic in Russian, more than Slavs and German words
              2. saha6052
                saha6052 24 June 2013 22: 38 New
                +1
                Each one has his own priorities, I may well be wrong, but I’ll outline the mood: on what grounds should I love the Fool, only because he is our national treasure !? only to death! Everyone’s duty is born by Man, and language is an instrument of communication and fixing Culture. Are there people with unique linguistics, up to a hundred languages, and even no one knows what? Are they the smartest and most useful people for humanity? Not Language in itself is useful, but Thought! and how it will be proposed, knots or English is not important. Globalization is not a whim, but objectivity and began a million years ago, it will inevitably lead humanity into a single community, with which language? It doesn’t matter, maybe with everyone. The dominant element of self-identification will be Super -Intelligence - trillions of operations per second to keep pace with the dynamics of matter and not fall into the stupid crises that we observe today.
            3. Hleb
              Hleb 21 June 2013 05: 30 New
              +1
              by the way, everyone wanted to see how қ, ө, ғ ... are written
              QazAqparat - Bügin Aqordada QR Memlekettіk xatşısı Marat Täjïnnіñ törağalığımen Şet elderde kadrlardı dayarlaw jönіndegі respwblïkalıq komïssïyanıñ otırısı bolıp
            4. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 18: 33 New
              +4
              Gleb, here we used the Kazakh graphics of the sample of the 30s. Now linguists are working on several options, choose whether to leave this Latin option or make other options using double letters (қ = kh, ғ = gh) or something else. Now it seems that about 20 Latin variants have been developed. Let's see what they choose. In the meantime, the used version of the Latin alphabet is already free to read by Turkish, Chinese, and Iranian Kazakhs, as well as Kazakhs of Kazakhstan. Latin is clear to everyone.
              And once again I will pay attention that the Kazakhs are not going to forget the Cyrillic alphabet. The Russian language remains mandatory in the educational system.
            5. Hleb
              Hleb 21 June 2013 19: 47 New
              0
              The Russian language remains mandatory in the educational system.
              I know. Here about the letter I was not in the know. (қ = kh, ғ = gh) is also a normal option. And how will A be written, which in the word copybook = dаpter?
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  • Atlon
    Atlon 20 June 2013 10: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: cartridge
    Until the salaries of the overwhelming majority of the population reach a level close to the average European and the problem of unemployment in the regions is not close to a solution, then there is no point in talking about any integration.

    You must understand that real and normal integration will give an opportunity to those who are now scouring the expanses of Russia in search of earnings to work in their homeland! Then there will not be these crowds of guest workers, with dumping prices. Then there will be work for us, local, with normal pay. Everything is interconnected. The USSR had a developed system of integration. Each republic went about its own business. Industrial and economic ties entangled the whole country. Not because the factories got up because someone urgently plundered them. Theft and sale are a consequence, and the reason is that during the collapse of the union all production and economic ties and technological chains were lost.
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 10: 49 New
      -3
      Quote: Atlon
      You must understand that real and normal integration will give an opportunity to those who are now scouring the expanses of Russia in search of earnings to work in their homeland!

      During the Soviet era, factories and plants were built in the republics. Where are they now? Plundered for scrap. Do you want to pump money back into this? We are not rich enough to drag the "backbones" on our backs
      1. yak69
        yak69 20 June 2013 11: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        We are not rich enough to drag the "backbones" on our backs

        This is just primitive reasoning. You would at least get some basic economic knowledge to talk about integration problems and economic development.
        1. experienced
          experienced 20 June 2013 11: 06 New
          -3
          Quote: yak69
          This is just primitive reasoning. You would at least get some basic economic knowledge to talk about integration problems and economic development.

          I can also write nonsense with a lot of smart words, which you are doing now. However, I’m not going to argue with people who deliberately provoke you. Communicate with the highly spiritual writer Athlone. He is highly spiritual, creative with a developed fantasy, who knows a lot about philosophy. wassat
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 30 New
            -7
            Quote: seasoned
            He is highly spiritual, imaginative, creative.

            Envy silently! wink

            Quote: seasoned
            knowledgeable about philosophy

            Have you read it? wink And how, jerked off? laughing
            1. experienced
              experienced 20 June 2013 11: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Atlon
              Envy silently!

              Bugaga, I thought you were able to determine the irony wassat
              Quote: Atlon
              Have you read it? And how, jerked off?

              No, I am a supporter of other literature. And for the relaxation of women, I prefer, rather than masturbation. winked
              1. Atlon
                Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 51 New
                0
                Quote: seasoned
                Bugaga, I thought you were able to determine the irony

                Sorry, forgot to put an emoticon. wink

                Quote: seasoned
                No, I am a supporter of other literature. And for the relaxation of women I prefer, rather than masturbation

                Ah well done! Our man is intolerant! good drinks
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 20 June 2013 14: 29 New
          -1
          Nonsense. Unfortunately, in most of the southern republics, some sheep are grazed by others .... people. Let's take our native Kyrgyzstan. In Frunze (well, I can't call it Bishkek), there was a plant, and not one. Made good torpedoes. First, they forced them to make irons, then manto-cookers, then they sold the equipment at the price of scrap metal. Now only the hosiery factory is alive. Why did you sell everything? for the sake of momentary gain. The kings put catfish in their pockets and began to eat each other for the right to collect bribes and yasak from their loyal subjects. and it began as in the cartoon "Shelezyak planet, no water, no minerals, no vegetation, no atmosphere, inhabited by robots."
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        In the days of the USSR, factories and factories were built in the republics. Where are they now? Stolen for scrap.

        Do you read the posts to the end? I wrote above:
        Quote: Atlon
        Not because the factories got up because someone urgently plundered them. Theft and sale are a consequence, and the reason is that during the collapse of the union all production and economic ties and technological chains were lost.

        When to eat hunting, but no work, not to freedom! Or do you think that in the cultural capital of Russia, during the blockade, books were burned in potbelly stoves because of their savagery? This is ridiculous ...
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 20 June 2013 11: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        During the Soviet era, factories and plants were built in the republics. Where are they now? Plundered for scrap. Do you want to pump money back into this? We are not rich enough to drag the "backbones" on our backs

        You know that, yes, the Soviet Union dragged many on its hump, but he could afford it, drag half the world on his hump, because this hump was in the form of industry working at 100%, full employment of the population, and in all Union republics, high professionalism of the labor of all citizens, because of the well-built education system! Yes, we really dragged half the world on ourselves, or rather, on ourselves, but now we can’t even pull out Russian industry ..
        Therefore, I believe that the one who invests nothing and does not risk anything does not have anything. Contributing to Central Asia, even if it solves the problem of migrants in the first stage, is already a big benefit ..
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: DEfindER
          and now we can’t even pull out Russian industry ..

          And who will pull it out? All work purely for themselves. Enriched as anyone can. We just sit and discuss the president and the government and wait for them to build a paradise for us. And so far we are on our own.
      4. seller trucks
        seller trucks 20 June 2013 14: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        In the days of the USSR, factories and plants were built in the republics. Where are they now? Stolen for scrap. Do you want to push money back into it?


        do not judge for repetition:
        Over the 2012 year in Russia, over 400 new production facilities were opened (not counting small ones). Among them, food industry enterprises (dairies, meat and dairy farms, meat and fish processing, canning factories), construction industry enterprises (cement factories, panel housing construction, tile, panel, window and sanitary ware production, etc.), as well as various mining enterprises predominate. metallurgy and automobile industry. Over the year, several dozens of high-tech industries related to IT, telecommunications and instrumentation appeared.

        вот пруф: http://newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/%D0%AD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B
        A%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_2012_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8
        3 # cite_note-5
      5. Corsair
        Corsair 20 June 2013 21: 19 New
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        We are not rich enough to drag the "backbones" on our backs

        TN "national elites" who are true "backbones" are just CATEGORALLY against any integration processes, hiding behind the slogan of protecting "national interests", but in fact plundering their "ulus" taking advantage of complete impunity and lack of control. Any supranational bodies are perceived by them categorically with hostility, as a threat that could "tie their hands."
        And integration and rapprochement are inevitable ...
      6. stranik72
        stranik72 20 June 2013 22: 02 New
        +2
        And where there are hundreds of factories and plants built in Russia with the participation of the same "backbones", everything happened with our help and directly with our participation, the first step towards the collapse of the USSR was the Russian people in the person of its leader Yeltsinoid 1 Supreme Council, which we elected. The world around Russia today is as dangerous as it was at the beginning of 1941 and what will happen tomorrow, nobody knows, but one thing is known, we are much weaker than that country of 1941, we are practically alone, without Belarusians and Ukrainians, Kazakhs and Uzbeks and other peoples We have an unfriendly Caucasus in the rear, to put it mildly, the 5th column is actively acting without fear of anything, we have no one to rely on, but there is an opportunity, through integration, to create for ourselves at least not enemies near our borders. And we have no other way, we just need to do it.
      7. saha6052
        saha6052 24 June 2013 22: 51 New
        -2
        Listen, you are our breadwinner! It's impossible with people. A real "backer" is simply Ham! Where rudeness dominates, the creative environment is destroyed, yes, I understand that it is profitable for me to cooperate economically with you, but I am ready to bear losses if only not to see your boorish mug-you get it about what -me? -nuser. Such "breadwinners" such as Gorby, Yeltsin who spoke idiotic theses-like: we will unhook the Asian cars and enter on the x-th into paradise-entered? ...
    2. yak69
      yak69 20 June 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Atlon
      The USSR had a developed system of integration. Each republic went about its own business. Industrial and economic ties entangled the whole country.

      This is a true point. The Soviet government did not just build factories for the production of air conditioners in Azerbaijan, but enterprises for the production of components in the republics of the Caucasus. With economy. point of view it is not profitable. And from the point of view of employment and development of the region, rallying the people into a single society, this is just a prerequisite. People are busy, technical schools are being built where they train specialists, the general cultural and educational level rises. It was a wise system. But, to get to the understanding of this, you need to stick your nose out of your garden with potatoes, raise your head and look around (it's figurative).

      In general, I am amazed by the arguments of people who do not have ELEMENTARY concepts of "what is good and what is bad" for society, for the economy, for state construction, whose interests are not located further than their own pocket and dinner table !!
      Well, you come off your trough!
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: yak69
        With economy. point of view it is not profitable. And from the point of view of employment and development of the region, rallying the people into a single society, this is just a prerequisite.

        In addition, this was a guarantee that the republics would not be separated from the union. For legally, according to Soviet laws, it was POSSIBLE! But economically ... Who will dress up if ALL industrial production stops at once? However, the "mind" was enough, we separated ... We see the result.
        There was a "Nairi" factory in Yerevan for the production and development of electronic computers. Already in the 80s, the first desktop PC in the USSR was created there. If the union had not been destroyed, maybe we would have worked on domestic computers? I remember how hotheads shouted, we are making computers for the whole country! We will live by ourselves. and the reality is that without non-ferrous metals (copper, aluminum), without rare earth elements (germanium, silicon), without precious metals (gold, silver) it is IMPOSSIBLE to produce electronics! Therefore, there are no Armenian computers in the world ... But they could be. Leading experts have gone abroad (mainly the USA and Israel), and the hard workers have stolen the plant for scrap, and now they taxi in old Zhiguli in Moscow ... Here it is, the price of "freedom". freedom from common sense.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 20 June 2013 13: 14 New
        -3
        Quote: yak69
        Well, you come off your trough!

        We do not want! We will not! Hru-oink
    3. cartridge
      cartridge 20 June 2013 12: 16 New
      -3
      You must understand that real and normal integration will give an opportunity to those who are now scouring the expanses of Russia in search of earnings to work in their homeland!

      Explain who you mean by roaming ones: Russian citizens or migrant workers from the Caucasus and Central Asia?
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 13: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: cartridge
        Explain who you mean by roaming

        I mean those who separated from the USSR, thought to live happily ever after, but Tajikistan does not need cotton, without Ivanovo looms, and microcircuits in Armenia cannot be produced without Siberian gold. And even sprats cannot be rolled into banks, without the steel of Magnitka. And motors for electric trains in Tbilisi cannot be built without Russian copper. So crowds of hungry and unemployed Gaster are prowling from the "free" former Soviet republics. Plundered factories, not long enough ... They gobbled up quickly.
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 14: 57 New
          -8
          About it and speech!
          I hope that the idea of ​​cleansing the Russian land from hordes of migrants from the former Soviet republics does not cause rejection in you?
          Let them go home and live at home. We do not need migrant chaos.
          Life on the hump and at the expense of Russia was possible in the USSR, and now let the golden-tooth freeloaders clean up their villages and auls.
          But when they can create a normal society and economy at home, then we will consider them to be normal people.
          1. yak69
            yak69 20 June 2013 22: 10 New
            0
            And the cartridge is shot!
            Or idle?
            One thing is obvious - it’s not suitable for shooting.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 20 June 2013 12: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: cartridge
    But first you need to make life worthy and attractive in Russia itself!

    You are absolutely right, patron.
    But there must be a serious message. It is necessary to reformat the entire information field.
    It is impossible to reduce all dignity to a decent salary alone.
    The author writes:
    Someone will say: how to teach if a generation is lost? .. Yes, not at all lost. Thinking, ambitious, ready to perceive reasonable things. The main thing is to help throw off the raid with which it was covered and covered - stepping over the interests of neighbors, comrades, and representatives of the older generation.

    Strongly disagree with him on this issue.
    That generation (well, if not two) is lost!
    Because the generation is not those wonderful guys who are looking for themselves and find in sports, science, society. Are there many of them? No, the generation is precisely the majority that does not shine with culture, does not read books and worships only the golden calf.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 20 June 2013 13: 27 New
      +1
      ... there must be a serious message. It is necessary to reformat the entire information field.
      That generation (well, if not two) is lost!


      I completely agree with you! Fooling young people today is a dig for our future tomorrow!
  • _Forgiven_
    _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 12: 23 New
    +2
    I agree, but not with everything. Order must be brought in all sister states. To raise the economy is a priority, and then to carry out human social reforms and so on. The main thing is that this idea should visit as many goals as possible every day. I’m even afraid to imagine how the United States will tear hair on her ass badly if this can be done laughing We tried to fall apart, and they again ... That will be fun for us smile
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 20 June 2013 13: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: _Forgiven_
      We tried to fall apart, and they again ... That will be fun for us

      Bismarck warned after all ...
      Even the most favorable outcome of war
      will not decompose the main force
      Russia, which is based on millions of Russians ...
      These latter, even if they are disaggregated by international
      treatises as quickly reconnect with each other
      another, like particles of a cut piece of mercury ...


      Otto Bismarck
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 20 June 2013 14: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: cartridge
    Integration is needed, but the primary task is to strengthen the Russian economy and increase the well-being of the people. So far, not enough has been done in this direction.

    Time is running out ... the sooner we get together the better! And this is additional money and resources that we will receive in the future!
  • Igor39
    Igor39 20 June 2013 14: 56 New
    +2
    I also think that Ukraine should be accepted into the CU and integrated as close as possible to Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and with the rest, the visa regime and border controls.
  • vBR
    vBR 22 June 2013 23: 41 New
    +2
    You are exactly repeating the installation of Solzhenitsyn. But this eccentric old man was one of the large-caliber installations that were used in the Cold War against our country. Ethnic community does not mean as much as it seems to you, and is not what you represent it - a collective individual with common values ​​and interests, although political dealers try to present them that way. The section does not take place here, but in another place - whether a person is aware of his involvement in historical Russia or not. In the Russian Federation itself, there are big problems with this among the Russian population. And by the way, in Central Asia there was the highest turnout at the referendum and the number of people who voted for the preservation of the USSR. With your approach, an empire can only be developed, not built
    1. saha6052
      saha6052 26 June 2013 04: 19 New
      0
      [quote = Vbr] whether a person is aware of his involvement in historical Russia or not. In the Russian Federation itself, among the Russian population, there are big problems with this "- any complex and living system consists of energy and its control-information, and if there is no alienation between them, the system will not collapse under any circumstances. But (sometimes, the energies of external influences intercept information of a higher order) and introduce alienation and contradiction - the system enters a controlled phase of destruction and simplification (catastrophe) .So: a person realizes not from scratch, but - very, even - a worker, it is necessary to work with a person, and not the masturbation of self-deception engage in.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 20 June 2013 11: 14 New
    +2
    when dividing, it never happens again, including the "vaccination" that was done to disperse everyone to their national apartments, they did not quite reach the northern, southern Russians, Muscovites of the Urals, Siberians, etc., but those who were easier divided, Caucasian? Balts, Asian - there are no such nations, labels were invented and hung up, and yet we did a great job with them, and they tried to drop the level of culture and impose or extrude new values, whether it's a Ford, not a bucket of bolts, or we are the most ancient nation (Western, advanced, etc.), we are all eaten (they do not appreciate, they are afraid ...), but "migrants" are generally a fairy tale, and those can be dragged down and others, in Ryazan - Moldovans, and already in Moscow both , it's time at least to start folding, and to start with putting things in order and searching for unifying factors, which is the most difficult, especially since the puppeteers are already pulling the strings with might and main (separate and conquer, and there is a gap that feeds from the division, and which there is no control or integration is not needed, every king is in his village.
  • Manager
    Manager 20 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +3
    Hi!

    Quote: seasoned
    there should be no unification according to the principle: "The more we are, the stronger we are

    Why not? This is the truth of life. Why turn something inside out?
    Quote: seasoned
    The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich.

    Rather, only strong. Wealth comes after. As an example, the United States before the 2nd World War and after.
    Quote: seasoned
    Integration should be based on mutual economic usefulness and political strengthening.

    For me, this is only politics and full military cooperation with common borders.
  • avt
    avt 20 June 2013 10: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: seasoned
    Integration is needed. The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich.

    Russia de jure is the legal successor of the USSR; there is nothing and nothing to fence in the city for the comfort of the national feelings of the newly emerged national elites.
    Quote: seasoned
    but there should be no forced association

    Of course. This should be voluntary.
    Quote: seasoned
    Integration should be carried out on the basis of economic mutual usefulness and political strengthening. Otherwise, donors and adherents form back.

    If there is no desire to create a single normal state, then yes, it is such a form of communication, bilateral or multilateral like the TS, but each of the participants should then clearly remember - business and nothing personal, naturally reaching a compromise in the interests. As well as the fact that Russia in this version has only two allies in fact - the Army and Navy. Amorphous military alliances like the CSTO and SCO with participants with different interests and views on international affairs are deadly in the event of serious, real threats. They are good in peacetime and in very local conflicts.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 20 June 2013 11: 21 New
      +1
      the chicken pecks at the grain, not without reason the very first "fruits" of the delimitation were an invitation to study at military schools and grants for training, from the most remarkable structures, and further assistance (SSakashvili for example)
    2. saha6052
      saha6052 26 June 2013 04: 30 New
      0
      Quote: avt
      Quote: seasoned
      Integration is needed. The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich.

      Russia de jure is the legal successor of the USSR; there is nothing and nothing to fence in the city for the comfort of the national feelings of the newly emerged national elites.
      Quote: seasoned
      but there should be no forced association

      Of course. This should be voluntary.
      Quote: seasoned
      Integration should be carried out on the basis of economic mutual usefulness and political strengthening. Otherwise, donors and adherents form back.

      If there is no desire to create a single normal state, then yes, it is such a form of communication, bilateral or multilateral like the TS, but each of the participants should then clearly remember - business and nothing personal, naturally reaching a compromise in the interests. As well as the fact that Russia in this version has only two allies in fact - the Army and Navy
      -and where were these allies in the 91st? -healthily helped to shoot the parliament under the laughter of amerskih consultants. People have better enemies than Russia’s allies (internal). And do not blame the Mirror if it’s boorish. I bombed the Empire- a box from the Xerox, and now admire two of the casket, almost identical from the face.
  • Atlon
    Atlon 20 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: seasoned
    Integration should be carried out on foundations of economic mutual usefulness and political strengthening. Otherwise, donors and adherents form back.

    You are again about the stomach ... And the author is about spirituality!

    After all, the presence of a Lexus or a housekeeper from Moldova is not a sign to be proud of yourself ...

    Many people do not understand that "living with dignity" is just not what is quoted above. Although the phrase "to live with dignity" is already synonymous with the phrase "to live richly." And again, the phrase "to live richly" is just as perverted earlier as now "to live with dignity" has been perverted. For "living richly" is with God in your soul! And not with a Lexus in the yard ... Ask any of the "angry townspeople", and what do you actually want? There is only one answer (with different variations): "To live with dignity!" You ask, how is it? And you immediately understand that they just don't know about dignity ...

    Quote: seasoned
    Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against

    And what are the arguments? Or do you want to have a direct border with the countries of the feudal system, or even the Stone Age? With the import from there of drugs, dirty, illiterate migrant workers, and bandits of all stripes? I don’t know how old you are, maybe you didn’t live under the USSR, or you lived very little. But here is what I will tell you. Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Kirghiz received the Soviet ONE education with all, worked in Soviet factories and factories, on Soviet collective farms, studied in Soviet institutes. They are no worse or better than any others. But if we do not want a horde of savages on our southern borders, we need to restore a unified system of education and upbringing. And if you exclude them from the integration process, as you say, then we will get an unemployed, not speaking Russian, uncultured, hungry mass of savages.
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 10: 38 New
      -7
      Quote: Atlon
      You are again about the stomach ... And the author is about spirituality!

      You spit slogans and at a certain point it starts to annoy. Transfer all your money to the Fund for raising spirituality and sitting hungry meditate on spirituality. For a long time you meditate. Ideas are needed for unification, but the unification itself must be on a solid economic foundation.
      Quote: Atlon
      And what are the arguments? Or do you want to have a direct border with the countries of the feudal system, or even the Stone Age? With the import from there of drugs, dirty, illiterate migrant workers, and bandits of all stripes? I don’t know how old you are, maybe you didn’t live under the USSR, or you lived very little. But here is what I will tell you. Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Kirghiz received the Soviet ONE education with all, worked in Soviet factories and factories, on Soviet collective farms, studied in Soviet institutes. They are no worse or better than any others.

      Blah blah blah. The difference in culture, education is seen by everyone who came across them. I'm not talking about individual representatives who were educated at MGIMO or Harvard, but about the general mass. If you don't see the differences, then I can't help you ... The fact that all nationalities worked in SOVIET factories and factories and studied in SOVIET institutions is of course true, then there was an "Iron Curtain" and it could not be otherwise. I lived in Soviet times (born in 67) and was brought up in the traditions of international friendship, but it turned out that what I perceived as friendship, they perceived as occupation and slavery !!!
      Let the invaders live now regardless of us.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 11: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        You spit slogans and at a certain point it starts to annoy.

        Ignore button.

        Quote: seasoned
        Blah blah blah

        This, of course, is much better than "slogans" ...

        Quote: seasoned
        The difference in culture, education is seen by everyone who has come across them.

        I lived among "them", though in the Caucasus. 14 years in Armenia, 2 years in Leninakan (Gyumri), then in Yerevan. People are like people. From the elite (cultural, educated, well-rounded), through the middle social class, to shepherds in the mountains. Byd-la, no more and no less than among Russians or Ukrainians. There was no difference in education! In addition to excellent students or poor students, they were not divided by any level. Just like everywhere else.

        Quote: seasoned
        it only turned out that what I perceived as friendship, they perceived as occupation and slavery !!!

        Nonsense. NO ONE and NEVER perceived this as occupation or slavery. Even in the notorious "Stalinist times". The occupation trend was introduced from the outside, and much later! Namely, in the 90s. As well as the trend about "freeloaders". You are now speaking in the words of Western propagandists, and this is sad ...

        Quote: seasoned
        Let the invaders live now regardless of us.

        Do you live independently of them ?! wink At work, I often communicate with builders from the southern republics. Youth, absolutely wild and uneducated. The foremen and translators for them are those who graduated from the Soviet school and institute. When they are gone, only those who have been brainwashed about the "occupation" will go here. How will you live independently of them? They already meet in EVERY most remote Russian village. So what kind of independence are you talking about?
        1. Manager
          Manager 20 June 2013 13: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Atlon
          Do you live independently of them ?! At work, I often communicate with builders from the southern republics. Young people, absolutely wild and uneducated. The foremen and translators for them are those who graduated from the Soviet school and institute. When they are gone, only those who have been brainwashed about the "occupation" will go here. How will you live independently of them? They already meet in EVERY most remote Russian village. So what kind of independence are you talking about?


          Absolutely right! Now we can only coexist together and raise the level of culture! Respect each other's traditions and faith.
          Otherwise, not only can you forget about the USSR version 2.0, but even begin to prepare for a civil war!
      2. saha6052
        saha6052 26 June 2013 04: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        Let the invaders live now regardless of us.
        -that you write: they studied, they lived together, but they perceive us differently, maybe so, but if you even studied somewhere and anything, then you must understand: for a person to perceive this way, and not otherwise, you need to work-propaganda, education, economics, and not anyhow, but on conscience and perception will be completely adequate, and hypocrisy, neglect and just rudeness, our world-famous, hence the result. Look for answers not in the neighbors, but in yourself you and them, happiness, not blah, blah.
  • yak69
    yak69 20 June 2013 10: 52 New
    +5
    Quote: seasoned
    The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich.

    The center of unification on the territory of the Russian Empire has always been SPIRITUAL BEGINNING or IDEA. True Wealth and Strength are derivatives of Spirituality (Ideas) and are only part of the pillars on which the integration is built. Therefore, your guidelines are fundamentally wrong, they are not stable. This can be easily understood with a detailed, unbiased analysis.
    Quote: seasoned
    I like the composition of the current vehicle, I think that Ukraine would also strengthen it. Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against

    Not to understand the strategic importance of the republics of Central Asia is already simply primitive and fully reflects the point of view of the hunchbacked - he once thought with just such categories. In addition, such a point of view testifies to chauvinism and not understanding that ALL, I emphasize, ALL Knowledge and Doctrines on the basis of which mankind builds its evolution are in the East. By and large, all sources of Human Life, as a species, originate in the Himalayas and Tibet. Any normally educated citizen knows this.
    And since there is a desire to speculate about global processes, it’s right and logical to begin to expand your horizons with an appropriate set of knowledge,
    because "Hell is ignorance". And that hell (without exaggeration, because this is not paradise) that we observe around and in the world in general, comes precisely from ignorance and limitation (in the broad sense of the word).
    Therefore, you need to expand your consciousness to such horizons so that not only the republics of Central Asia, but also other states can fit there, since it is time to understand that Humanity (that is, all, all people on planet Earth) is a single organism. And this organism also includes animals and plants and seas and oceans, etc. (this is for the gifted who have "my hut on the edge"). And in the body, one part of it cannot kill another part, without lethal consequences for the whole organism. And if amers today think that they will kill someone in Iraq or Afghanistan and will continue to live happily, then this is because they have become dull and have lost everything human that they had.
    I don’t know how old you are and how you were brought up, but me and my generation, the Soviet government taught that a Soviet person cares about everything and everyone, or "If not me, then who?" In a word, you cannot think in terms of your front garden.
    hi
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 10: 59 New
      -4
      Quote: yak69
      Not to understand the strategic importance of the republics of Central Asia is already simply primitive and fully reflects the point of view of the hunchbacked - he once thought with just such categories.

      It is primitive "to stomp on a rake". Once these "highly spiritual and educated" staged a massacre. Let's rebuild factories, factories, tightening the belt tighter, so what? A new buy will come and on the wave of rallying against the Russian invaders we will go to the second round. Local cadres do not know how to do anything there, and the Russians will not go.
      So you need to take a sober look at things and not engage in cheap populism
      1. yak69
        yak69 20 June 2013 11: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        Once these "highly spiritual and educated" staged a massacre.

        More stupidity and can not be imagined! I know for certain who "staged the massacre" in the republics, who gave orders, who trained these people and supplied them with everything they needed, where it happened. The goals of this "action" are known. I am operating with facts. And in you, says some old grudge or misunderstanding. Moreover, you almost completely meet the standard of thinking that is cultivated by Western intelligence services. It is obvious that your upbringing did not become the core of your personality, did not help you expand your consciousness to the level of nobility and understanding of universal processes. You have remained a patriot of your court. Therefore, think in appropriate categories.
        1. yak69
          yak69 20 June 2013 12: 13 New
          +6
          By the way, from my personal observations on life I made the following conclusion: citizens who lived in Moscow and Central Russia and did not go anywhere from their province, as a rule, do not think beyond the outskirts. In the USSR, therefore, people were distributed both to the service and after the institute to the most distant corners of the country, so that a person could feel the scale of the Motherland, realize the enormity of the tasks facing the country, so that he could plunge into a different culture and life, learn to UNDERSTAND between people. Indeed, only on the basis of mutual understanding is peace built and development possible.
          Only now, many native Muscovites tried to stay in Moscow after distribution, so as not to go to "some hole!" For them, in general, everything beyond the Moscow Ring Road is a hole. Hence the liberal thinking. It is strange that Muscovites (whom the whole country fed and processed!) Most of all and shout about the republics-freeloaders.
          Whose cow would mumble, and whose would be silent.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 20 June 2013 13: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: yak69
            It is strange that Muscovites (whom the whole country fed and processed!)

            You are all right, but I disagree with that either! Moscow was an industrial center primarily (under the USSR). What we see now is a trash heap. Where only all sorts of Sobchak and Pavla Volya can live. Show me a modern Muscovite working in production? and worked before! ZIL, AZLK, Metrostroy, Watch factories (first and second), motorcycle plant, famous machine-tool building "Red Proletarian", Rotfront, Boshevichka, Moscow trolleybus, Metal rolling plant and many others!
            1. yak69
              yak69 20 June 2013 22: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: Atlon
              I also do not agree with this! Moscow was primarily an industrial center (under the USSR)

              Yes, Moscow was an industrial, scientific, cultural center of NO. People from different parts of the country worked at these factories and large scientific centers. My comrades left Central Asia at 78 to build an Olympic village, then they worked at ZIL, I built Vyborg myself. Remember where the derogatory word "limit" came from. This is what Muscovites of the 80s called everyone who built Moscow itself, the metro, produced cars, in short, created the national wealth of the USSR. And there were only a few Muscovites among them. They were all attached to warm places - as laboratory assistants, correspondents, in hotels, theaters, supply bases, offices of ministries and departments.
              So that!
        2. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 20 June 2013 13: 17 New
          +1
          By the way, among the bastards, Gavriil Popov, Anatoly Sobchak and their associates, this fraternity put a lot of effort into supporting the "Islamic Democrats"
    2. saha6052
      saha6052 26 June 2013 04: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: yak69
      In a word, you can’t think in terms of your front garden.
      -It's nice to read a developed Soviet person who demonstrates civilizational consciousness, and not tribal prejudices. It was not the Soviet government that trained us in education and civic position, but specific families, rare teachers who work on conscience, and not just like a working society. If Soviet power Could appear and replace the "order of the sword-bearers" created by Stalin from the murdered party of Bolsheviks-the Union and now would stand indestructible, but this Darkness of the Bureaucracy did not grow together, first, the Monarchy, then the Union, and today it wins Russia And our fraternal neighbors .-Corruption is its national Idea and not because the people in it are bad-The system is archaic and does not respond to the Challenges of the time.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 20 June 2013 12: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: seasoned
    The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich.

    And I would add - smart.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 20 June 2013 13: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Integration is needed. The center of the association is always either large and strong or rich.

    If the question is about the reunification of the former (alas) republics of the USSR, then one more should be added to the list of merits - "fair." The idea of ​​justice, equal for everyone, is a powerful idea that can rally and lead peoples against the selfish interests of the "national elites" But the current course of all national elites in all the republics of the USSR and the concept of "justice" are incompatible things. In my opinion, Belarus is the closest thing to this. And they see it in Russia, and here, in Ukraine, and they are afraid and do not want this positions for ourselves are our "cream of society." But the common people for the most part - "For." But who will listen to us ...
  • vBR
    vBR 22 June 2013 22: 38 New
    +1
    So China is 10 times larger in population, the 2nd power in the world, the USA is even stronger (so far), the EU, regional leaders are also good - Germany, Turkey ... They unite only on the basis of ideas about the past, their place in him and understood through this prism of interests. Expanding the market even to the CIS and closing it outside would lead to the flourishing and revitalization of the killed sectors for all members of the union, the main thing here is not to pull the blanket over yourself and push the private interest into its niche - so that it does not determine the state, but vice versa.
    Well, donors and adherents are the quality of the post-Soviet system, more than half of the regions in the Russian Federation are "sticky", so exclude them from the Russian Federation? Therefore, it will not work like that now, it's too late to get into position! How to remove this is a separate topic. But to dispose of the legacy of the tsars, because there is something wrong, is not a state approach. L. Kuravlyov in "Ivan the Terrible changes his profession" spoke about this in the best possible way
  • saha6052
    saha6052 24 June 2013 05: 38 New
    +1
    Integration of peoples cannot be approached from the standpoint of a bazaar trade: radishes (as they say in Odessa: outside is red and inside is white, white!) Are suitable for us, but there is no beet, it is red inside.
  • tixon444
    tixon444 20 June 2013 08: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: BARKAS
    On the ruins of the Union. Do we have a chance to fix it?

    There is no chance whatsoever and you need to create everything anew!


    What are we all rushing about with this idea of ​​restoring a broken pot? It is necessary to build a strong and independent Russia, both economically, politically, and militarily. Only such a magnet can attract everyone who needs it to itself. Sooner or later, this will happen, and we will still choose who we need and who not.
    1. krasin
      krasin 20 June 2013 09: 12 New
      +1
      some rub their hands in pleasure, watching the fruits of their work.

      Humpbacked in England - little hands are smoking.
      What are we all rushing about with this idea of ​​restoring a broken pot? It is necessary to build a strong and independent Russia, both economically, politically, and militarily. Only such a magnet can attract everyone who needs it to itself. Sooner or later, this will happen, and we will still choose who we need and who not.

      Let's look at their behavior.
  • Skiff
    Skiff 20 June 2013 08: 57 New
    -5
    With anyone, but not with each other and not with Russia. Some were drawn to Europe, others began to think about how it would be better to “make friends” with the United States, while others continued to remain in a half-suspended and half-fainted state from the euphoria of the freedom that had suddenly fallen on them.
    Yes, there is no friendship of peoples, there are only benefits of individuals, their leaders rush about as confused from client to client, and the entire working population hang out in Russia!
    I don’t want to see anyone in my Homeland except Belarus and Ukraine, the rest are alien to us in everything. Get out to your independent countries.
    1. yak69
      yak69 20 June 2013 12: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Skiff
      I don’t want to see anyone in my Homeland except Belarus and Ukraine, the rest are alien to us in everything. Get out to your independent countries.

      Before you put a portrait of Che Guevara on your avatar, you need to at least ask what was the meaning of the life of this great revolutionary, who gave his life for the INTERNATIONAL idea of ​​communist development!
      I am sure Che Guevara, for such reasoning, would put you on the wall and not hesitate to shoot! ...
      1. Skiff
        Skiff 20 June 2013 21: 21 New
        -3
        Well, go tell guest workers about Chegevara, WIPE YOUR EYES. almost all crimes committed by immigrants from the CIS are compassionate you ours, smacks of libera ....
        1. yak69
          yak69 20 June 2013 23: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: Skiff
          Well, go tell guest workers about Chegevara,

          For starters, you need to learn to read and write, and at the same time, a culture of communication. Then, perhaps, it will be possible to communicate with you somehow.
          And you don’t need to talk about liberalists in my address - do not get excited (or else you will start spitting poisonous saliva from irritation and powerlessness, and this is dangerous for others))).
          And from whom it smells like something, you still have to see it))))
          Better change your avatruk, do not disgrace the hero with your ambre (fr. Smell).
  • Astrey
    Astrey 20 June 2013 10: 55 New
    +1
    There are always chances. Reason and will are not enough only in this historical period.
  • Quiet
    Quiet 20 June 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    There is no chance whatsoever and you need to create everything anew!

    The smart ones themselves will be asked and the rest type P belay Rebaltov and Western Ukraine, apparently not fate ...
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 20 June 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    Nothing can be fixed in the coming centuries or decades. Each country has its own oligarchs, bureaucratic clan, politicians and who will never want to share power, state budget, resources, etc.
  • Remko
    Remko 20 June 2013 18: 23 New
    +3
    If Russia becomes a strong power, then there will be nothing to join. Everyone will catch up. And the collapse of the Union may even have benefited some who believed that the West would come to their aid.
  • kvodrato
    kvodrato 21 June 2013 19: 21 New
    +1
    In 2015, the Russian Union will begin to be created !!!
    1. Dimakassir
      Dimakassir 21 June 2013 19: 25 New
      0
      I argue about anything - such as the USSR will not
  • vBR
    vBR 22 June 2013 22: 20 New
    0
    An extremist-total statement, there are always chances while you are alive. Not a single cultural project in the history of mankind (for example, the project of Ivan the Terrible and Russian communism) was from scratch, it is simply impossible physically. Much has been broken out of wrecking and even more simply out of dope, lost forever, other people's ideas. But this does not mean that it is impossible to move towards the gathering of historical Russia or the USSR
  • saha6052
    saha6052 23 June 2013 14: 04 New
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    I apologize to the author - it could have been shorter: About a quarter of a century ago, a homeless man walked around the village selling brooms, dirty, smelly, unshaven. He had three brooms left when I saw him. As soon as our eyes crossed, I took them from him. brooms, gave the money, brought home, made him wash in the bathroom, asked his wife to change his clothes, and when the preparation was over he put a decanter of homemade wine on the table and began a conversation: I was a kid and we in Kazakhstan heated the stove with straw, I stoked, and my mother was busy: she puts a bucket of milk on the fire (our only food) - the fire heats up milk (thermo-dynamics, idea), the lower layers go up (vertical dynamics, change of elites - health and passionate energy go up), and the upper layers - Culture, competence , the horizons go down (teachers, enlightenment, so-so). How long can the process exist without loss of quality and the beginning of a crisis? (this is a separate conversation). Will the subjective factor interfere with the topic - the enemy of the objectively necessary dynamics? - (inevitable azhda-status quo, power is when it's full)) - the subject stops throwing straw (energy) - the milk calms down and the cream goes to the Top! - while they are being structured there: gods, brothers, matchmakers, correspondents, Correspondents and just- KORESHA! - the milk slowly sours from below, in different planes it is cut by barriers: bureaucracy, formalism, protectionism and spiritual masturbation - lies, hypocrisy, as a seasoning for abuse **. Someone turns out for a long time. gets angry and breaks foreheads against partitions, Cream at the very top is covered with a greenish coating (mold, pus-criminal, immoral, “world” that has lost a sense of reality, which is worse than any war). This Octopus (without any quotes) misses its criminal tentacles throughout the depth of the bucket and rotting begins on all floors of society. I ask this bum: what will be the resume? He says-fire again? -and not late? -Can take a stick and interfere? -Sometimes it worked? I say: well, what will it give? The cream will break into rags and rotting will continue at the regional level ("on national sovereignty "?) - there remains a criminal trash heap (internal struggle for survival) Stories or a chance, is there still, what do you think? The man said: there is no chance, but do what you must, not noah and ask nothing, everyone will come themselves, they will, I didn’t ask? -and you invited me! (well, what nonsense, between relatives?)
  • saha6052
    saha6052 24 June 2013 05: 25 New
    0
    The first post was removed by the moderator from the commentary? It’s a bad omen. Isn’t it better to subject innocent abstractions to adequate criticism or explain the position of the site (snobbery is not the best argument). And the site made a good impression.
    1. saha6052
      saha6052 24 June 2013 07: 46 New
      0
      I apologize to the moderator, the tape went away, and I stayed with her in the past, once again - I'm sorry, I will continue to be more attentive, the forum is huge, I got lost in this Hermitage.
  • saha6052
    saha6052 24 June 2013 05: 31 New
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    "At the Forum, any visitor can create a topic of interest to him for discussion, which is not voiced or not very widely voiced on the site" - maybe, after all, not any? All topics in the Universe are tightly connected and to unroll from empty spaces is our real task. The bulldog does not need to grab his opponent by the throat, just a hair is enough, and then he will chew the topic until Bazon Higgs i.e. depth available to the forum.
  • dark_65
    dark_65 20 June 2013 07: 15 New
    +2
    There is a chance, but a very distant one in time, even if we exclude the development of the very idea of ​​unification, generational change (so that the USSR would be a beautiful fairy-tale in dreams), to eliminate the threat of war ... stable economic growth .... in general, oh, oh ,Oh.
    But there is a chance, and most likely in 15-20-25 years, not earlier.
    1. Renat
      Renat 20 June 2013 08: 14 New
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      There is a chance, only a leader. A very strong leader.
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      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 June 2013 12: 43 New
        +7
        Quote: Renat
        There is a chance, only a leader. A very strong leader.
      3. saha6052
        saha6052 24 June 2013 07: 51 New
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        Quote: Renat
        There is a chance, only a leader. A very strong leader.
        - a "strong" leader has already been more than once. A strong leader never plays to lower his people - he is not afraid of him, but he is also afraid to support a fake status he plays a decrease, so that he himself, at least baldness, can be seen in front of his mistress sickening to explain why you ?! - and suddenly a stuffed animal?
  • domokl
    domokl 20 June 2013 07: 16 New
    +3
    Alas, it seems to me that we are already leading our children there ... Now a generation of 30-year-olds has grown up, who, although born in the USSR, has already been established in independent states. And they have gained strength and weight in society. they are for reunification, but in reality, everyone believes that they should reunite around his country, his religion, his way of thinking ...
    Unity in words and difference in deeds.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 08: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      Unity in words and difference in deeds.

      Less negative !!! Look and listen to the end of what and who is doing for the country hi
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 20 June 2013 07: 20 New
    +7
    ONE LANGUAGE - ONE PEOPLE !!! - this is very good! but only prosperity can lead to an alliance, and not anger surrounded by the general VORYA, rowing everything without limit and not wanting to live in the territory where YOU ARE WAITED !!!
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 09: 07 New
      10
      Quote: Sanyht
      but only prosperity can lead to an alliance,

      And my mother told me a long time ago that if you cook the soup for one, then at a cost it comes out the same way as soup for four. As long as we wait for the prosperity of everyone and everything, we will lose not only a common language and culture, but also common interests.
      1. Yurko
        Yurko 20 June 2013 09: 46 New
        +2
        You are very lucky with your mom.
        And about the topic. Is the problem that we are not all together? Isn’t the problem in our authorities, among which are clowns, artists, pawns and just people who are shaking their place by any means instead of some work for the common good. Countries as people, they do not have to be 100% alike to be friends. Each country: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus ... a country with its own language and culture and the best friendship is mutual respect, as among people, and politicians who are in power are echoes of the USSR, which mutated under capitalism, like chameleons, and their goal is simply to rule and they don’t think about friendship or union. I am against Stalinism, which is flourishing here, communism, as an artificial education, I am for mutual respect based on respect for multiculturalism. All these maneuvers with the State Departments, Godep’s agents are dusty, there are many examples where capitalism and people live well, why this is not possible with us, you need to be smarter and the authorities will be smarter, you need to be more demanding and the authorities will be more honest, we create our own government Power is also from people, from society.
        1. kuga
          kuga 20 June 2013 16: 51 New
          +1
          There will be no normal power if there is no common goal.
          Oligarchs of various stripes are tearing Ukraine apart, and the people are only happy about this. In Russia, things are a little better - people used to come to their senses.

          Only unification, otherwise East Slavic lands cannot be competitive in today's world. You need to start with the economic, and then the laws of the land will unite.
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 19: 36 New
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        Quote: domokl
        And my mother told me a long time ago that if you cook soup for one, then at a cost it comes out the same way as soup for four.

        Wow ... It will only end four times faster. wink
  • fenix57
    fenix57 20 June 2013 07: 35 New
    +6
    Personal gain- this is what drives the leaders of some "former Soviet Union". It is the benefit and the personaland not the interests of the state, country, people.And with such leaders, unification is impossible.
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 07: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      Self-interest is what drives the leaders of some "former allies"

      Alas, not only leaders and not only allies. Personal benefit, individualism as the main principle of life is now in honor. We have passed the period when it was an honor to die for our Motherland, we live in a time when it is an honor to dismiss the service in general.
      So, much of what is sacred for our generation is perceived by young people as stupid. Why all your life wander around remote garrisons, during military conflicts, take risks if your neighbor has a jeep and a bank account. He is much more respected by the district chiefs and the police and everyone else. And only on 9 of May they remember about you ..
      1. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 20 June 2013 12: 47 New
        +1
        As for the service, I somewhat disagree. In the current Ukrainian army, I consider it generally contraindicated to serve. Service life 1 year - what can people be taught in a year, half of which a soldier spends in training. I think than serving in the current army, it’s better not to go there at all, but only if you don’t have sawdust in your head. But if a person has a mess in his head, he does not know what he wants from life - then this is just in the army and the road. There are several friends who, having served, changed their outlook on life and priorities. Before the army they were gouging, after they left the people. But if a person already knows what he wants from life, then why should he spend a year of his life to no purpose. This is my opinion, maybe someone will not agree
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    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 20 June 2013 08: 22 New
      +1
      we don’t see anyone, maybe people are zombified
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 June 2013 08: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: jcksmt
      Build the USSR in a separate state of Russia.

      The idea is very sound. Therefore, a plus. If we build an attractive model of society for ourselves, then the rest will not mind joining.
      Quote: domokl
      In words they are for reunification, but in reality, everyone believes that they should reunite around his country, his religion, his way of thinking

      And here I have to agree. I believe that any integration in the absence of a common ideology, based only on the economic component, is temporary and limitedly viable. Moreover, the economic systems in the countries of the post-Soviet space are inherently aimed not only at attraction to each other, but in such the same degree of rejection, because in the foreground is the benefit. If we now assume the cooperation of country A and country B are mutually beneficial, they talk a lot about integration, the borders are wide, but 5 years have passed, technologies have changed, the level of development, cooperation has ceased to be mutually beneficial from an economic point of view view and then what? The end of integration.
      1. Manager
        Manager 20 June 2013 09: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: baltika-18
        The idea is very sound. Therefore, a plus. If we build an attractive model of society for ourselves, then the rest will not mind joining.


        Oh, I don’t believe that we will be able to do it quickly. We have now such a generation has grown that my mother does not grieve. About 30 years now to wait for new flowers with a normal upbringing. And for one thing and in politics, God forbid, put things in order.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 June 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Manager
          Oh, I don’t believe that we can do it quickly.
          If you believe or not believe, instead of doing, then nothing will be done.

          We have now such a generation has grown that my mother does not grieve. About 30 years now to wait for new flowers with a normal upbringing.
          Not this generation broke the country.

          And for one thing and in politics, God forbid, put things in order.
          Aha - by itself, and new and world.

          All are waiting for a strong leader, no one wants to do anything on their own - neither think nor take responsibility on themselves.
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 19: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        If we build an attractive model of society for ourselves, then the rest will not mind joining.

        And why do they need us? Only what is built by yourself is appreciated! And if someone built, many will want to join, but will they appreciate? There are so many already willing to come to Europe that Europeans can just run away from there! Why do we need this? The new union must be different. We build together, live together! No other way.
        1. avt
          avt 20 June 2013 21: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Atlon
          We build together, live together! No other way.

          good The rest is an artistic whistle on the theme of unification and writing memoirs like "we plowed"
    3. omsbon
      omsbon 20 June 2013 09: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: jcksmt
      Russia colony USA all your dreams of empire are soap bubbles

      Hi, new Troll!
      When dreams (Russia colony SyShyA), begin to seem reality, then this condition is called SCHIZOPHRENIA!
    4. domokl
      domokl 20 June 2013 09: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: jcksmt
      Russia colony USA all your dreams about empire are soap bubbles

      It seems that you still live in the 90 of the last century. Alas, we were not and will not be a US colony. The US is used to hauling chestnuts out of the fire with the wrong hands, but now it has not rolled. and raised.
      And the agents of your influence, after they really take away the opportunity to escape, like Berezovsky, and live on the stolen money, will soon come back to you themselves.
    5. Denis_SF
      Denis_SF 20 June 2013 09: 14 New
      +2
      Russia has never been anybody's colony, has never been dependent on anyone. Here the United States was a colony of England, where criminals were exiled. And many more countries were dependent on someone at different times, and therefore they celebrate and magnificently celebrate "Independence Day". And Russia itself has been creating addicts all its life, so 14 former Soviet republics are celebrating Independence Day. From Russia. And we celebrated the "Day of the adoption of the declaration on the state sovereignty of the Russian Federation." The day when Russia was halved, no matter how sad it may sound.
      And the rest is the grain of truth in your words, you need to start with yourself, and there is a lot of factors and reasons. And it is not the ruling elite that needs to be changed, because everything will become exactly the same, if not worse. It is necessary to change the worldview and vision of oneself in this world. And even if it starts now, it will take a lot of time.
      1. teodorh
        teodorh 20 June 2013 13: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: Denis_SF
        Here the United States was a colony of England, to which the criminals referred.

        I think you are confusing the United States with Australia.
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 13: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis_SF
        And we celebrated the "Day of the adoption of the declaration on the state sovereignty of the Russian Federation."

        By the way, no! I noted with HUGE satisfaction that ALL officials, starting with the President, and all sane TV channels, used the phrase "Day of Russia"! There was no talk of any declarations and independence! I drew attention to this, because in an article on this topic, I myself criticized this holiday. Frankly, I'm not ready to celebrate the "Independence Day". But "Day of Russia" ... Why not?
    6. luka095
      luka095 20 June 2013 09: 16 New
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      One cannot but agree with the advice to make Russia attractive. Indeed, you always need to start with yourself. The idea of ​​unification cannot be based only on benefits - today the economy is developing, and tomorrow it can slow down ...
      We need an idea that is understandable to everyone and accepted by everyone.
      The dream of unification is not a dream of empire. You do not need to immediately brand any integration process as imperial.
      A comment is a plus. One cannot disagree with the advice of jcksmt. But it is impossible to be limited only to them.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 20 June 2013 13: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: luka095
        One cannot but agree with the advice to make Russia attractive. Indeed, you always need to start with yourself. The idea of ​​unification cannot be based only on benefits - today the economy is developing, and tomorrow it can slow down ... We need an idea that is understandable to everyone and accepted by everyone.

        You bought a block of flats ... It’s half-worn, crap apartments. You cleaned everything, made repairs, started the elevator ... Will your house become more attractive for homeless people? Sure! Do you want to let them into clean apartments that are empty? Not sure ... But if you inspire homeless people to work, make repairs together, simultaneously raise the level of culture, make friends, will they want to live in those apartments? I think yes. Do you want to spoil? Probably not. The problem is one, HOW to make homeless people believe in the possibility of living in clean apartments, but do it yourself? Therefore, the idea is the main consolidating aspect. And to make your home attractive, for the subsequent settlement of dubious personalities in it ... Look at Europe. it was so attractive that now there was so much rabble gathered there that it was just right for the Europeans to escape from there!
        And Russia is now quite attractive to itself, for illiterate, wild tribes ...
  • treskoed
    treskoed 20 June 2013 08: 04 New
    +5
    The ruins of the Union have been overgrown by the former, and the Union - legends! Even if you imagine that the countries of the former Union are united - you can’t return the Soviet worldview! Collectivism is gone, everyone is now in his hole!
    1. vBR
      vBR 23 June 2013 00: 18 New
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      It can be created. Industrial society - does not account for the fatalistic individualistic. The solidarity that goes from our peasant roots can and should be translated into a new, rational language. This is not fast, but possible. And if it doesn’t work, we and our civilization will be dismantled for raw materials
  • olviko
    olviko 20 June 2013 08: 08 New
    +5
    To unite in one country, with a single control center, similar to the USSR? In the foreseeable future, this is hardly possible. Local elites sit very tight at the feeder and will fight for it to death. For this, the younger generation is being intensively brought up in a nationalist and Russophobic manner. The Russians no longer created industry, the system of education and health care, but were invaders and grave diggers of the culture of conquered peoples, etc. Another reason, as correctly noted in the previous comment, Russia itself must become an attractive state, so that the people living next to us would reach for it, and not only when you need to take another loan. This is not yet visible.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 20 June 2013 08: 24 New
      -5
      why do we need these peoples who first kicked the Russians out and then we didn’t need such a trailer
  • Kars
    Kars 20 June 2013 08: 36 New
    +3
    They didn’t lie that they would receive. All damned capitalization with a non-human face.
    According to this forum, one of the unifying reasons should be the fight against pi ... mi and confrontation of the geyropa))) and behind the scenes there are only dibs (money) of the CIS was a normal idea, but as we see ...
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 08: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      CIS was a normal idea

      I will never disagree with the letter "N", independence in our country (in fact, in the rest) leads only to collapse, with this western know-how we will arrive only at the 5th point, forgive the pun under the strict guidance of the 5th columns hi
      1. MG42
        MG42 20 June 2013 11: 14 New
        +2
        The letter <G> was decisive in the fate of SNГbecause this structure was created for a "civilized divorce" in the post-Soviet space ..
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 20 June 2013 09: 12 New
      -2
      Quote: Kars
      .All damned capitalization with a non-human face.

      Dear Kars!
      Agree that any person can be changed, and even non-human even more so, because there is a glorious experience, you only need desire and will!
      1. Kars
        Kars 20 June 2013 11: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: omsbon
        I will never disagree with the letter "N", independence in our country (in fact, in the rest) only leads to collapse

        It turns out that in your opinion there are no independent countries in principle?
        Quote: omsbon
        that any face can be changed, and even non-human even more so, because there is a glorious experience, you only need desire and will!

        Any? Hard veritsa.

        As for the glorious experience, it’s millions of human lives and a sea of ​​blood. And in 1917 I just want to remember, not to personally experience it. And if the face of capitalism changes within a particular country, then there is no sense in uniting it --- voluntarily - with others will be.
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 11: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          It turns out that in your opinion there are no independent countries in principle?

          Greenland!!!! Guessed?
        2. omsbon
          omsbon 20 June 2013 13: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          they are millions of human lives and a sea of ​​blood.

          The oligarchs and gay liberals hardly get half a percent, where do millions come from?
          1. Kars
            Kars 21 June 2013 10: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: omsbon
            The oligarchs and gay liberals hardly get half a percent, where do millions come from?

            these half a percent. then each other will begin to get wet who is more correct is not gay and not liberal. then it’s wet for sharing the dispossessed aligarchs. Aligarchs will be assigned to everyone who lives a little above average and even a bunch of officials and police. so that the blood will be even more than 17.
            Quote: Strezhevchanin
            Greenland!!!! Guessed?

            not vryatli please if the CIS countries are not independent then how can Greenland be if there are bases of foreign military sml.
  • Parabelum
    Parabelum 20 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +2
    The chance to restore the USSR in its original form tends to zero. But integration is necessary. The Customs Union is the first small step in this direction, with the normal development of the Customs Union, positive shifts will occur only in 20-25 years. The proper development of the TS can become the foundation for building a new model of the USSR.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 20 June 2013 08: 40 New
      +2
      I agree, if the TS shows a good result, then they themselves will reach us later.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 09: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Warrawar
        I agree, if the TS shows a good result, then they themselves will reach us later.

        TS it will not be just the USSR, it will be a great start for global neo-industrialization (NEP in the good sense of this phrase), the project is more global in nature, if you pay attention.
        Our country has already proposed several development initiatives to all countries, without exception, at least voiced them and takes action in this direction, as we see there is good sense! hi
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 20 June 2013 09: 09 New
    +5
    it’s a good article, it’s positive. The only thing I didn’t like was the colleague’s comment on the forum, what is against the CA countries? Why? Here, too, everyone is looking towards the Russian Federation, young people also understand this. But, of course, I would like to believe that a revival is possible.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 June 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    Unite necessarily! Everything goes to this. Naturally we won’t force us to be friends with us. And we are not going to be a cash cow either!
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 20 June 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      totally agree! you need to fully determine all the pros and cons. and I think again this region will flourish
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  • krez-74
    krez-74 20 June 2013 09: 21 New
    +3
    With that level of brown nationalism and intolerance, snobbery and arrogance living in the Internet space, there can be no talk of any integration! Moreover, even preserving the integrity of Russia is very problematic !!!
    This is off-topic, but here's an example: “Anji” refused to accept the European Cup games at home ... The whole Internet sprinkles with bile, and insults like: Lumps and rams, got theirs ... And this, throwing such happy statements, cannot understand one thing - Russia will slide down to the size of the principality of Novgorod, and all those at whom they laughed at will lose absolutely nothing!
    I’m not a Dagestani, I’m Adyg (Circassian), so don’t think that the given example strongly affected me. It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!
    1. Manager
      Manager 20 June 2013 10: 06 New
      0
      Quote: krez-74
      It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!


      I agree! at 41-45, they all ate from one pot, and now the government (in the period from 80x to the present day) has set everyone against everyone. Moreover, even within each nation, a grain of contention has planted! I want to unite, but so far it is so unlikely that you can only dream.
      Until crime in the Caucasus is (completely) defeated, until they establish a decent model of migration policy, until a neighbor becomes a friend (and not even as many people now know names), there is no need to talk about any kind of association.
      Recently I watched the speech of Artemy Lebedev, he won’t not bad said comparing us and the Europeans for example. There is such a thing as a home zone. So here we have the Russians, it ends at the entrance door mat. All that further (elevators, a lawn, a yard, etc.) we already cease to consider our own. Well, like a yard, it’s yours, but you don’t mind cracking seeds and throwing an empty jar, and at the same time it’s a shame to go out on a clean-up day, and especially just go out on a Saturday afternoon with a broom and tidy up your native. And the same Europeans have a much larger home zone. This is a courtyard and shops and cafes in the area. Maybe that's why they are so easily combined into alliances, etc., but we are not?
      So think now, if we consider everything as a stranger beyond the rug, but we consider everyone, indiscriminately from the Caucasus, "HA .... And" are we ready for the USSR version 2.0 ???
      PS I want this. But I'm not sure that most people need it.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 10: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Manager
        But I'm not sure that most people need it.

        Most of them just need it, be sure that it’s unnecessary to know who you are.
        1. Manager
          Manager 20 June 2013 10: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          Most of them just need it, be sure that it’s unnecessary to know who you are.

          They just don’t know about it yet)
          1. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 11: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Manager
            Quote: Strezhevchanin
            Most of them just need it, be sure that it’s unnecessary to know who you are.

            They just don’t know about it yet)

            Yabi said they actively discourage them from getting nichrome hi
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 20 June 2013 13: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Manager
        Until crime in the Caucasus is (completely) defeated,

        And in the rest of Russia, crime means defeated? You yourself divide Russia into the Caucasus and all the rest, let the prosecutor’s office take care of inciting ethnic hatred.
        1. Manager
          Manager 20 June 2013 13: 39 New
          -2
          Quote: Setrac
          And in the rest of Russia, crime means defeated? You yourself divide Russia into the Caucasus and all the rest, let the prosecutor’s office take care of inciting ethnic hatred.

          Oh well! Did everyone say that?
          I do not share anything. And about whom and what to do, do not tell you.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 20 June 2013 13: 29 New
      -4
      Quote: krez-74
      It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!

      You don’t have to blame it on your health, the mass media and other s-pidaro liberals are spraying their saliva, who have nothing to do with the titular nation.
      So you are on a par with all sorts of homosexuals decided to spit saliva, what is your selfish interest?
      1. Manager
        Manager 20 June 2013 13: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        from and you are on a par with all sorts of homosexuals decided to spit saliva, what is your selfish interest?

        What are you throwing at everyone? Have a drink of valerian? Nobody insulted you here so that you would distribute the titles of a homosexual to the left and to the right.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 20 June 2013 14: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Manager
          What are you throwing at everyone? Have a drink of valerian? Nobody insulted you here so that you would distribute the titles of a homosexual to the left and to the right.

          Very offended, and not only me
          Quote: krez-74
          It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!

          Let me remind you that the titular people we have are Russians.
          Let Croesus-17 take an interest in what happened to the Circassians in Turkey, together they would laugh.
          Quote: Manager
          I do not share anything. And about whom and what to do, do not tell you.

          Well, if you don’t divide, then crime must be defeated not only in the Caucasus, but throughout Russia.
          1. krez-74
            krez-74 20 June 2013 14: 35 New
            +1
            I know perfectly well that the titular people are Russians! And I said this at the beginning, though you didn’t enter meagerly, because the integrity of Russia and its unity are held by the Russian people. And as soon as such moods begin to prevail among the titular people of the country, all the rest, small nations, will not do anything with it, even if they want to, which means that in the end there will be a collapse of the country!
            But you didn’t penetrate, you were simply offended, and after that, as proved a long time ago, mental ability is replaced by urges caused by resentment (crying, hysteria, insults, clouding ...).
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 20 June 2013 14: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: krez-74
              But you didn’t penetrate, you were simply offended, and after that, as proved a long time ago, mental ability is replaced by urges caused by resentment (crying, hysteria, insults, clouding ...).

              Quote: krez-74
              It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!

              This is not delved into? Explain to us how to comprehend this indecency? Did the Russians somehow offend you?
              Quote: krez-74
              And as soon as such moods begin to prevail among the titular people of the country, all the rest, small nations, will not do anything with it, even if they want to, which means that in the end there will be a collapse of the country!

              These sentiments prevail in the "independent" media, which are far from the titular nation, and not the titular one either, but you stubbornly blame everything on the Russians.
              1. krez-74
                krez-74 20 June 2013 14: 52 New
                -2
                You probably haven’t read anything from Tolstov’s works? My advice to you, and do not read! Anyway, you won’t understand anything, and draw the wrong conclusions ...
                By the way, you don’t know how to turn it upside down - you don’t succeed, which means that what I wanted to say will be understood as I intended, and no one will blame me for anything (except for you of course).
          2. krez-74
            krez-74 20 June 2013 14: 38 New
            -2
            And yet, our offended one, it wasn’t for a normal person to laugh at the grief of another people! It also characterizes you as a person ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 20 June 2013 14: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: krez-74
              And yet, our offended one, it wasn’t for a normal person to laugh at the grief of another people! It also characterizes you as a person ...

              This "grief of another people" shows what to become with those who follow the lead of Western (British) agents of influence. But what about the grief of those Russians whom the "unfortunate people" killed, robbed, sold into slavery?
              And I'm not laughing, this is "funny" to you, so I invited you to laugh together, but are you not laughing?
              1. krez-74
                krez-74 20 June 2013 15: 02 New
                -1
                Again I got by ... You think in a stereotyped way, as the party and the leaders directed!
                "The miserable people", they killed and robbed not near Novgorod, or not near Moscow, but purely on their own land, that's probably what they sold into slavery those who came uninvited! By the way, there are many facts, and the Russians did not disdain human trafficking - that was the time.
                And further. The tsars of your late, those were incited by the German general-advisers, and England easily manipulated them, plunging Russia from one scrape to another! The people were then a Russian serf, so they drove him without taking into account the losses in the war for "justice" ... Oh, and they gave the people their tsars!
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 20 June 2013 15: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: krez-74
                  "The miserable people", he killed and robbed not near Novgorod, or not near Moscow, but especially in his own land,

                  This is a misconception, sheep grazed on their land and children were raised, and they went to the neighbors to kill and rob.
                  Quote: krez-74
                  By the way, there are many facts, and the Russians did not disdain human trafficking - there was such a time.

                  Well, now the time is such that you can calmly call all Russian degenerates! And still puffed up to prove that you are well done, did everything right, whose cow would be mumbled about templates.
                  1. krez-74
                    krez-74 20 June 2013 15: 22 New
                    +2
                    -Russian, great people! Glorious and heroic! One of the few that deserve respect at all! But such boobies as you are among all nations ...
                    -My people, with the Russian people, have done and will do many glorious deeds, and people like you will not interfere with this! People like you rewrite history for the sake of those who are thicker and longer. They’ve castrated their history a little, and you’re trying to present the history of others in a different light.
                    And let's end this conversation, you're tired of me!
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 20 June 2013 15: 32 New
                      -5
                      Quote: krez-74
                      And let's end this conversation, you're tired of me!

                      Why are you answering?
                      Quote: krez-74
                      -Russian, great people! Glorious and heroic! One of the few that deserve respect at all! But such boobies as you are among all nations ...

                      Well, here's the insults again! Are you dumb? Remove your attack on ALL Russians, or apologize. And you don't have to cling to "your" people, you don't have any WE and the rest of the Adygs.
                      Quote: krez-74
                      Not only have you castrated your story, and you are trying to present the history of others in a different light.

                      You were enlightened in London and you taught history on Western agitation.
                      1. krez-74
                        krez-74 20 June 2013 15: 37 New
                        -7
                        Yanar zyf1this rash1ys, hiam qilhua!
          3. Manager
            Manager 20 June 2013 16: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            Well, if you don’t divide, then crime must be defeated not only in the Caucasus, but throughout Russia.

            In my opinion and not only, the main crime is somehow or other rooted in the Caucasus. There is nothing to be done. The statistics are her mother.
      2. krez-74
        krez-74 20 June 2013 13: 46 New
        -3
        My selfish interest? ... But it’s simple, so that they don’t ruin the country, and so that later they don’t stay with nothing!
        Here recently one writes to another, discussing me: "and he is also a patriot. Such people are rare among Caucasians. Etc., etc." ... This is the degradation of the titular people!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 20 June 2013 14: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: krez-74
          My selfish interest? ... But it’s simple, so that they don’t ruin the country, and so that later they don’t stay with nothing!

          Well then, Western agents of influence do not need to help defame their own country, unless of course it is your homeland!
    3. Atlon
      Atlon 20 June 2013 19: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: krez-74
      It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!

      Listen, Adyg ... You wrote everything correctly, exactly before this phrase ... About the degradation of the "titular people", you pushed it hard, but stupid. Do you throw links to your "undegraded" fellow countrymen? What right, you and others like you, have the right to talk about the people, thanks to which you got out of the Stone Age? With smart faces, all sorts of ... mmm ... tell me, a Russian, how lazy I am, how depraved I am, how cowardly I am, how drunk and uneducated I am. Who are you?! What have you done for the greatness of the country you live in? You read a couple of comments of some idiots, and you draw conclusions about the degradation of the titular nation ?! Was the nationality indicated in the comments? And anyway, I'll tell you a secret. of those who sit in the internet, only a small part is marking time on forums like this. There are many other interesting resources where people are enthusiastic, intelligent, educated, united by one passion, from radio-controlled airplanes to the construction of the most complex home-made machine tools! Minus you, Adyg. sad
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 21 June 2013 10: 11 New
        -1
        You didn’t understand anything! re-read the entire branch, and then draw conclusions about me ... But the thought is, try to catch and understand before building the offended - the country is in Russian! and if Russian degrades, then others degrade even more!
        It’s stupid to be offended, he makes smart conclusions!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 21 June 2013 16: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: krez-74
          you didn’t understand anything

          Why did you call Pavel Vanya?
    4. saha6052
      saha6052 25 June 2013 12: 58 New
      0
      @ Russia will slide down to the size of the principality of Novgorod, and all those who laughed at will not lose absolutely nothing! "- that is, how is it - nothing? , and having accumulated contradictions between small nations, and also play them off in a fratricidal massacre and you call it, "they will not lose anything at all?" - this is called PTU, then, too, we are wiser, but sometimes it is too late.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 09: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: krez-74
    It’s just ridiculous for me to watch how the titular people degrade, who, with a happy expression on their faces and feelings, are building their own doom and the collapse of their own country!

    Watch the video above, everything is chewed up, what kind of people do his own death and the collapse of his own country!
    By the way, forget about the bots on the network, which actually give massive comments ..... wink
  • zbidnev
    zbidnev 20 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +2
    I agree that on the Internet, guys behave condescendingly towards other nationalities and countries. We are such different unifiers and conquerors, dividers and subscribers, etc. Just like in kindergarten "And my dad is the best". I agree with the author of the article that the union should be equivalent with respect for the opinions of all allies. But first of all, in my opinion, the idea of ​​healthy internationalism is still needed - no matter what nation you are, the main thing is your personal qualities. As a Ukrainian, I want to warn the Russians - it's better not to get involved with us now, we are not ready to unite with anyone. Europe wants another hemorrhoid, we will arrange it for her. Our elite cannot find a common language with each other, but now to Europe. If the Rzeczpospolita has been destroyed, we will be able to do the same for the European Union, there is no limit to perfection.
    1. sincman
      sincman 20 June 2013 10: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: zbidnev
      it’s better not to mess with us now, we are not ready to unite with anyone.

      But you don't need to speak for all Ukrainians. I'm ready! And I think I'm not the only one in Ukraine. At least all of my friends and acquaintances. We all understand the weakness of the "independent" Ukraine or the one driven into the EU and the power of uniting with fraternal peoples (and in fact one people) in the CU and the CES. And this is with the complete zombie of the local media. I am sure that if every Ukrainian knew the real geopolitical alignment, was even a little interested in our tragic history (in a truthful and adequate interpretation, and not invented by the "gozmans") and thought with OWN head, there would be much more people who want to be reunited!
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 10: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: sincman
        And I think I'm not the only one in Ukraine

        + fellow drinks
        1. tixon444
          tixon444 20 June 2013 10: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          Quote: sincman
          And I think I'm not the only one in Ukraine

          + fellow drinks


          My brother-in-law from the Poltava region and I, because of the Moscow Ring Road, are also with you! drinks good
      2. zbidnev
        zbidnev 20 June 2013 11: 09 New
        +1
        Firstly, you read inattentively - at this stage it is better not to unite with us. In the future, perhaps God forbid, we will be together. In Ukraine, the active stratum of the population that could dictate the conditions of power and form state power in the best sense of the word has not yet formed. We want to unite my relatives and friends and all whom I know and m.d. , want and what's next. We want to live well, have a job, normal medicine, a strong army - we all want it. And what have we done for this? We can only whine and whine it everywhere - with relatives, friends, employees.
        1. sincman
          sincman 20 June 2013 11: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: zbidnev
          And what have we done for this? We can only whine and whine it everywhere - with relatives, friends, employees.

          Again we ...
          We have no whining! Continuous political information and enlightenment of the sleeping and dumbfounded. While it’s very difficult to do more, it’s a huge deal! Which is sure to shoot at the right and momentous moment! The power of consciousness of the masses cannot be underestimated. Our enemies use this very skillfully. Their media is always at the forefront of the struggle. They do not always win by physical force. Often it is the correct and adequate understanding of the situation that contributes to great victories ...
          1. zbidnev
            zbidnev 20 June 2013 21: 53 New
            0
            Here is political information and akin to nagging, tryndet not tossing bags. Concrete action is needed. Creation of public organizations, youth organizations that could influence the powers that be. Creation of this type of sites, etc. and to carry out political information - almost everyone does this. And maybe I'm wrong - to develop myself physically and intellectually to be a cut above all these bureaucrats and traders. And are you ready to sacrifice something for this? If we are ready to sacrifice our well-being, career, health for the sake of these ideas - then we have a chance, and it’s just tryndezh.
  • My address
    My address 20 June 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    With the current ruling parasitic "elite" we have no chance. Parasitic, both in the sense of thieves and in the sense of idle. Among her, Shoigu, Kolokolnikov, Medinsky, Rogozin look like aliens. But it will tighten them, it is easier to fall than to rise. Pay attention to the dynamics of change. In the economy, we will get up in a year or two. In ideology, there are solid appeals without concrete actions. The surge of sympathy for Stalin is associated with the inability of the present. Against the background of these p ........ he and his inner circle are examples of democrats, organizers, and winners.
    1. vBR
      vBR 23 June 2013 00: 04 New
      0
      I don’t understand how the anti-adviser Medinsky comes in, whose bald head didn’t have anything to do, how to arrange another provocative dance with a mausoleum, and Rogozin with greetings, a professional journalist at the helm of the military-industrial complex, even if he sat in a representative in NATO
  • Karabin
    Karabin 20 June 2013 09: 51 New
    +4
    Unification is possible only in a unitary state with a single control center in Moscow. There are no conditions for this yet. Unfortunately, this is only possible following the results of a major war. All modern processes (TS, EurAsEC, CIS) are a surrogate, ersatz. Nothing truly integrative on this basis is happening and cannot happen. The outskirts of the Russian Empire, without returning to the roof of a single state, are degrading to a state of absorption by stronger territorially, or will become completely economically and politically dependent banana republics.
    1. MG42
      MG42 20 June 2013 11: 35 New
      +4
      I agree. The theory that Russia will become economically strong and attract neighbors’s state magnet is unlikely, because time is running out, there are fewer people who lived in the USSR, when there will be no WWII veterans, for example, key decisions on Ukraine will be this fall, association with the EU is already a turn 180 degrees. against .. in parallel, generations grow up who didn’t live in the Union and it’s alien to them, and the borders are getting stronger, customs and duties are moving farther and farther as we get to the visa regime ..
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 20 June 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    [/quote XNUMX... Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against ... [/ quote]

    But not me. Still, I would have invited Mongolia to the TS.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 20 June 2013 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: We are from Tambov ...
      Still, I would have invited Mongolia to the TS.

      I think China will be strongly opposed, although if we use agriculture and cattle breeding as a joint project, I think we will agree, we always want to eat !!!
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 20 June 2013 20: 39 New
      +1
      Mongolia - a good member of the CU will be. And there are a lot of minerals, and cattle in bulk, and the Mongols themselves are a very healthy nation. The main thing is not to plow the virgin lands there and not try to turn the Mongols into more Russians than the Russians themselves.
  • Adorofeev63
    Adorofeev63 20 June 2013 10: 10 New
    +4
    My son asks how we lived in the USSR, what we ate, what were the prices for lemonade and ice cream, for him this is a distant fairy tale. This is a shame.
  • 123_123
    123_123 20 June 2013 10: 18 New
    +3
    In principle, nothing is impossible. But there is no team of managers who could support, for example, Putin in this endeavor. That bureaucratic criminal corruption garbage that is now in many posts in the center and in the regions is definitely incapable of this. You can’t do without cleaning and, if you want, a new oprichnina.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 20 June 2013 13: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: 123_123
      In principle, nothing is impossible. But there is no team of managers who could support, for example, Putin in this endeavor. That bureaucratic criminal corruption garbage that is now in many posts in the center and in the regions is definitely incapable of this. You can’t do without cleaning and, if you want, a new oprichnina.

      I apologize, but why did you get the idea that Putin has a similar undertaking?
      1. 123_123
        123_123 20 June 2013 20: 54 New
        0
        Putin is listed as an example of an official who could do this. If for one reason or another he does not want to or cannot do it, then I don’t see a single politician who could. Unfortunately.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 21 June 2013 01: 31 New
          0
          Quote: 123_123
          If for one reason or another he does not want to or cannot do it, then I don’t see a single politician who could ...

          "Can" and "want" are very different things, but in this case, "want" means "can."
          The problem is that many are waiting for a politician or an official who wants to, will be able to do it, while completely forgetting about article 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
  • individual
    individual 20 June 2013 10: 39 New
    +2
    The confusion and vacillations in the post-Soviet states will be until we raise the Russian economy.
    We will tighten the economy, politics will become attractive and the neighboring states will be pulled into the sphere of common interests under the idea of ​​Russia.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 20 June 2013 14: 26 New
      0
      Quote: individ
      We will tighten the economy, politics will become attractive and the neighboring states will be tightened

      The economy will sit down, and neighboring states spit on the ideas of Russia.
  • little man
    little man 20 June 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    Unification will not be until the kings are in power and not the presidents. Nobody will lie under Putin voluntarily.
    As in the ancient Roman proverb, it is better to be the first in the village than the second in the city.
  • Komodo
    Komodo 20 June 2013 10: 59 New
    +3
    Such a large-scale task should be divided into small ones:

    1. Restore control over the media.
    2.Clean all levels of power from foreign agents.
    3. Develop an army.
    4. Restore control over the Central Bank.
    5. New industrialization.
    6.Increase the impact of "soft power" on ALL countries of the former union.
    7. To put things in order in the education system.
    8.Return big business to Russian jurisdiction.
    9. The transition to a planned economy.
    10. Return to 100% state-owned enterprises.
    11 ...

    40 years are allotted for the implementation of the task,
    while those who still remember are alive.
    1. MG42
      MG42 20 June 2013 11: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Komodo
      8.Return big business to Russian jurisdiction.
      9. The transition to a planned economy. 10. Return to 100% state-owned enterprises.

      Instead of 3 points, it was not easier to write one = nationalization of privatized enterprises.
      Roma Abramovich, as a true "patriot of Russia", invests in English football and yachts on the Cote d'Azur ... he is imitated by a bunch of other oligarchs ..
      1. Komodo
        Komodo 20 June 2013 11: 35 New
        0
        Quote: MG42
        nationalization of privatized enterprises.

        This is item 11 ..
        hi
        1. MG42
          MG42 20 June 2013 12: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Komodo
          This is paragraph 11.

          This is the point. 8 Since nationalization automatically returns all large business in the territory of both Russia and the future Union, with the exception that they withdrew by investing in foreign assets, but you can sue ..
          State enterprises and planned economies are harmoniously combined. Market economy with privatized enterprises.
          1. Komodo
            Komodo 20 June 2013 12: 34 New
            0
            Quote: MG42
            Instead of 3 points it was not easier to write one

            The goal was to decompose into components.
            1. MG42
              MG42 20 June 2013 12: 44 New
              +3
              From a privatized enterprise to make the state another fast and efficient, there is no way other than nationalization. State enterprises = planned economy, automatically big business will simply disappear. Point!
              An illustrative example is the oligarch Khodorkovsky and the nationalization of Yukos, only it can be accelerated.
    2. zbidnev
      zbidnev 20 June 2013 11: 34 New
      +1
      I would like to add - the formation of highly professional special services as a tool in the implementation of all other points.
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 20 June 2013 14: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Komodo
      40 years are allotted for the implementation of the task,

      And Putin, like, Moses.
      1. Komodo
        Komodo 20 June 2013 15: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        And Putin, like, Moses.


        See what news:
        The State Duma will conduct an audit of all laws over the past 20 years.
        http://russian.rt.com/article/11016
        Already cleaned.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 20 June 2013 23: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Komodo
          Already cleaned.

          Who, Edros ?! These will be cleaned up for sure. A law was passed in 2012 on replacing the term for bribes with fines. Will be cleaned up and fines canceled.
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  • Diligentreader
    Diligentreader 20 June 2013 12: 09 New
    +4
    Artificial the division of the Russian people into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians - pure propaganda of contention.

    In my opinion, the unity of the Russian people should become axiomatic. To start small - do not support ANY talk about who, allegedly, "at whose expense is living." Such conversations are beneficial ONLY FOR OUR ENEMIES.

    For example, Belarus and Russia, like Lukashenko and Putin, have no disagreements. But there are specific property and ideological interests of specific individuals who are trying to "fish in troubled waters." And constantly fanning the noise for any reason. And in 99% of cases - a deceitful one.
  • Voin sveta82
    Voin sveta82 20 June 2013 12: 18 New
    +7
    Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are a single people ... !!!)))
  • andrey_sk
    andrey_sk 20 June 2013 12: 18 New
    -5
    In some, the fantasy raced! And I would also invite to the Cote D'Ivoire and Burkina Faso (I like the names).
    But seriously - you can forget about Ukraine, there, apart from the marginalized communists in the CU, nobody wants to; according to opinion polls, there are more EU supporters. They are the heirs of European Kievan Rus, and therefore choose Europe. In November 2013, Ukraine signs an association and a free trade zone with the European Union.
    It would be better to think about the fight against Turkish influence in oil-bearing Azerbaijan; Turkmenistan is also interesting. That's who you need to work with and integrate with.
    1. MG42
      MG42 20 June 2013 13: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: andrey_sk
      But seriously - you can forget about Ukraine, there, apart from the marginalized communists in the CU, nobody wants to; according to opinion polls, there are more EU supporters. They are the heirs of European Kievan Rus, and therefore choose Europe. In November 2013, Ukraine signs an association and a free trade zone with the European Union.

      Very often, local Ukrainian Natsiks like to hang out the Russian tricolor, have already noticed more than once wink And they write “We don’t need Ukraine !!” and so on. An old trick.
      A public opinion poll is not charity, someone pays for it, especially in Ukraine ..
      1. andrey_sk
        andrey_sk 20 June 2013 17: 20 New
        -5
        I’m just with my flag. But what kind of flag you have - I can’t even understand what it looks like in Chinese. Are you chinese
        As for the need-not need: only 15% of Russians want a union with Ukraine into one state. Here is a Russian study:
        http://www.levada.ru/18-06-2013/vneshnepoliticheskie-vragi-i-druzya-rossii
        1. MG42
          MG42 20 June 2013 17: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: andrey_sk
          I’m just with my flag.

          Vague doubts torment me, out of 39 of your comments 22 about Ukraine or integration ..
          this pearl
          Quote: andrey_sk
          You need to be firmer. Shoot half of ukrov, attach the rest-and the Caucasus and the Chinese border. Let Russia bring benefits.

          Quote: andrey_sk
          But what kind of flag do you have - I can’t even understand what it looks like in Chinese

          No, I'm with the Turkish flag wassat , here 40% of the forum with the flag of the Soviet Soviet Union
          Quote: andrey_sk
          As for the need-not need: only 15% of Russians want a union with Ukraine into one state. Here is a Russian study:

          Is the Levada Center quite authoritative in Russia?
          1. andrey_sk
            andrey_sk 20 June 2013 18: 20 New
            -5
            Quote: MG42
            Vague doubts torment me, out of 39 of your comments 22 about Ukraine or integration ..

            So what ? On this site there is a lot of information about Ukraine, and in discussions Ukrainian topics pop up in almost all branches. I find this stupid and erroneous. And by the way, your doubts excite me very little.
            Quote: MG42
            Is the Levada Center quite authoritative in Russia?

            well, give a link to another statistical study, where more than half of Russians would like to join Ukraine. Do not offer any marginal nationalistic, communist "data". The data of independent rating agencies are of interest.
            1. MG42
              MG42 20 June 2013 19: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: andrey_sk
              So what ? On this site a lot of information about Ukraine

              Yes, it’s nothing. Only you Svidomo slyly incite discord on both sides to prevent this integration, the technology is known, I can also hang a Russian flag for 2 minutes, even though I’m from Ukraine ..
              Quote: andrey_sk
              and in discussions Ukrainian topics pop up in almost all branches.

              Strange, with such supposedly hatred, you are drawn there like a fly ..
              Quote: andrey_sk
              And by the way, your doubts excite me very little.

              And yours all the more for me >> ..
              Quote: andrey_sk
              The data of independent rating agencies are of interest.

              so you <Russian> supposedly should know their rating, what they say on TV, there is no reliable, alternative research should be given, please bring what Google does not have, I do not climb into your <garden>, I know about Ukrainian laughing
              1. andrey_sk
                andrey_sk 20 June 2013 20: 18 New
                -7
                Quote: MG42
                I can also hang the Russian flag

                HM interesting. I did not find such a thing in the profile settings so that the flag can be changed as you want, however, you trolling professionals are probably trained in this.
                Quote: MG42
                Strange, with such supposedly hatred, you are drawn there like a fly.

                What is strange? I do not want freeloaders to be fed from my pocket. If you want integration, move to the Far East, people are needed there.
                Quote: MG42
                so you <Russian> supposedly should know their rating, what they say on TV, there is no reliable, alternative research should be given, please bring what Google does not have, I do not climb into your <garden>, I know about Ukrainian

                What is this set of unrelated words? I'm waiting for the link. By the way, if you are a resident of Ukraine, I would be grateful for a link to similar Ukrainian ratings for the last year, where Ukrainians would prefer the CU over the EU.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 20 June 2013 20: 36 New
                  +4
                  Quote: andrey_sk
                  you trolling professionals

                  professional terminology flooded, feel free to ..
                  Quote: andrey_sk
                  I do not want freeloaders to be fed from my pocket.

                  Why freeloaders? am , the industrial East, Crimea and the South of Ukraine are not a parasite at all, just the regions - donors in Ukraine, subsidized by us from the agricultural region of the West ..
                  Quote: andrey_sk
                  If you want integration, move to the Far East

                  Well, about the need for the Far East in personnel, any student knows in Ukraine ..
                  Quote: andrey_sk
                  I am waiting

                  Wait, they will come for you .. wassat
                  http://lb.ua/news/2013/05/30/202427_42_ukraintsev_hotyat_videt_ukrainu.html
                  More for the EU, but the gap is small, there may be an error and sampling ..
                  regional data is very different
                  Now busy, I’ll answer in the evening if there are questions,
                  PS In the Far East it's already a deep night .. lol
    2. sincman
      sincman 20 June 2013 14: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: andrey_sk
      In some, the fantasy raced! And I would also invite to the Cote D'Ivoire and Burkina Faso (I like the names).

      Well, maybe this will happen one day ... while you are laughing here wink

      India and Vietnam: Joining the Customs Union - A Matter of Time
      Very interesting news. If such an extension occurs. I think that little will keep Ukraine, in turn, from joining the CU. But first things first.

      Today begins the XVII St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, which will bring together 144 members of foreign official delegations from 66 countries. However, in this case we are only interested in one delegation - representatives of India.

      The fact is that the Indian delegation has a special mission. Its ultimate goal is the integration of India into the Customs Union.
      ....
      Сonclusion

      In a desire to establish closer trade relations with the Customs Union, India shows unprecedented enthusiasm by the standards of international relations. For us, this country is a long-standing, we can even say, ancient partner, especially in the military-industrial sphere: thanks to the orders of India, many enterprises of the Soviet military-industrial complex did not disappear during the period of devastation, the developments were not lost, and some even further developed, like the Bramos-2 missile . Therefore, expanding the field of peaceful trade is dictated to us not only by profit, but also by the tradition of cooperation.
      ....


      http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_26352/
  • waisson
    waisson 20 June 2013 12: 49 New
    -2
    without reading the above, I’ll say NO gospoda, gentlemen, to drink Borjomi, the train has left, and there will be no revolution
  • deman73
    deman73 20 June 2013 12: 55 New
    0
    another question arises, but we ourselves need this and the rest of the countries that fled
    1. sincman
      sincman 20 June 2013 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: deman73
      another question arises and we ourselves need it

      To you personally may not be necessary, but it is urgently needed by our future generations. And only this is the key to their survival in a turbulent world!
      1. andrey_sk
        andrey_sk 20 June 2013 13: 35 New
        -6
        Do not want to geyropu - move to us on Sakhalin. It is necessary to populate the Far East with the Russian population.
        1. sincman
          sincman 20 June 2013 13: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: andrey_sk
          Do not want to geyropu - move to us on Sakhalin. It is necessary to populate the Far East with the Russian population.

          And Ukraine, excuse me, the Poles, Romanians and Turks as an inheritance to leave after moving ?!
          Following your deep logic, you should leave Sakhalin at the time and leave it to the Japanese. Just think of another Kem volost! Am I quite clear?
          1. andrey_sk
            andrey_sk 20 June 2013 17: 24 New
            -3
            Leave Ukraine to Ukrainians. And you are not expressing yourself clearly enough - I did not say anything about leaving Sakhalin, on the contrary.
            1. sincman
              sincman 20 June 2013 19: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: andrey_sk
              Leave Ukraine to Ukrainians.

              Who do you think I am? Or do you call Ukrainians only those who speak Ukrainian and live in western Ukraine?
              Quote: andrey_sk
              And you are not expressing yourself clearly enough - I did not say anything about leaving Sakhalin, on the contrary.

              Nevermind... winked
              1. andrey_sk
                andrey_sk 20 June 2013 19: 31 New
                -4
                Quote: sincman
                Who do you think I am?

                One of the two is either a future resident of the European Union or a future resident of the Far East. The choice is yours.
                1. sincman
                  sincman 20 June 2013 23: 05 New
                  +4
                  I will choose the third option - a resident of the future Great Russia.
                  1. Che
                    Che 21 June 2013 20: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: sincman
                    I will choose the third option - a resident of the future Great Russia.


                    I support Rusich. And there will be a holiday on our street.
        2. MG42
          MG42 21 June 2013 02: 59 New
          0
          Quote: andrey_sk
          Do not want to geyropu - move to us on Sakhalin.

          Sorry comrade, I wanted to ask a lot more about Sakhalin lol
  • teodorh
    teodorh 20 June 2013 13: 02 New
    -3
    Quote: seasoned
    Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against

    I absolutely agree with you. Therefore, Kazakhstan needs to get out of the vehicle.
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 13: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: teodorh
      Quote: seasoned
      Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against
      I absolutely agree with you. Therefore, Kazakhstan needs to get out of the vehicle.

      Reread my comment more carefully
      I like the composition current vehicleI think that Ukraine would also strengthen it. Against the countries of S. Asia in the CU categorically against

      Kazakhstan is a strong state and an ally of Russia. hi
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 20 June 2013 13: 38 New
    +1
    Those who do not accept the USSR, motivate their position by the absence of liberal values ​​in the Union (moreover, neoliberal "values" are passed off as liberal values) - with these characters everything is clear.

    The question is different: do those who want the return of the Union understand what they really want? Do they just want to have a country of immense proportions, or do they want to have a just social system in their country, where social guarantees are extremely high, and the opportunity to profit from one because the hundred are starving is absent?

    No matter how we fantasize, the repeatedly mentioned customs union will never become the basis for the revival of the USSR, since the reasons for its creation are economic, and I do not need to remind anyone of the economy in whose hands it is.
    In order to recreate the USSR, it is necessary to recreate the Socialist system, and therefore it is necessary first of all to change the Power - only after this, after the restoration of a just social system in Russia, a gradual reunification with the former Soviet republics is possible.
    1. kuga
      kuga 20 June 2013 17: 04 New
      0
      Economic is an important part and the main thing to start with.
      The peoples have not yet ridiculed themselves from the collapse of a common state and false propaganda.
      The economy will give extra historical time.

      I believe that restoration is also possible with elements of capitalist institutions (only super-large capital and oligarchy need to be removed), although the course towards the socialist state should be taken as a whole.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 June 2013 19: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: kuga
        Economic is an important part and the main thing to start
        Economics is the most important part of life, but it is not the basis for the unification of cultures and societies.

        The peoples have not yet ridiculed themselves from the collapse of a common state and false propaganda.
        The economy will give extra historical time.
        For what - for rooting in the minds of pseudo-liberal "values" and the final legitimization of privatization?

        I believe that restoration is also possible with elements of capitalist institutions (only super-large capital and oligarchy need to be removed), although the course towards the socialist state should be taken as a whole.
        In principle, it is possible, but fraught - the cooperation of the 80s, which is an analogue of the NEP, is a confirmation of this.
        In any case, the calm turn of politics towards the social-socialist state does not threaten us - the government is against.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 20 June 2013 14: 07 New
    -11
    how they got it with this Union. where Russians lived like in a barn they paid for the whole world with some incomprehensible revolutionary movements and lived in the Union according to the principle “and didn’t deprive anyone except myself.” DO NOT DO GOOD EVIL WILL NOT BE.
    1. sincman
      sincman 20 June 2013 14: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Mercenary
      how they got it with this Union. where Russians lived like in a barn they paid for the whole world with some incomprehensible revolutionary movements and lived in the Union according to the principle “and didn’t deprive anyone except myself.” DO NOT DO GOOD EVIL WILL NOT BE.

      Listen to the mercenary, why did you hang the USSR flag on your avatar? That the Israeli flag was not visible?
    2. kuga
      kuga 20 June 2013 16: 53 New
      +4
      shkolota tells how she lived in a stable in the USSR ???? the joke is simple)
  • georg737577
    georg737577 20 June 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    Unification is possible - if in the future "united kingdom" 100 percent of the national income will belong to 100 percent of the population ... And not 95 - 5 percent of the "elite" consisting of thieves and traitors.
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz 20 June 2013 14: 27 New
    +4
    But if integration for the post-Soviet space requires a single idea that everyone will like, then what is it?

    The return of the lost principles of state and social construction.
    There is NO privatization, but the state plan for the development of the country and industry in particular.
    There is NO propaganda of individualism with artificial morality, but a common historical memory and the determination of value orientations from their social significance. Much and much more about which we all well know (or remember), but for some reason we are silent, allowing them to hammer into the heads of our children, and into our own very dubious Western "values".
    A boxer who has received a nogdaun sits on the fifth point and says to himself: "You need to get up! .. you need to get up!" We got one day and kept repeating: "We need an idea ... we need an idea." - We need will!
  • Powder donut
    Powder donut 20 June 2013 15: 56 New
    +1
    Sorry, I may not understand something (I really don't understand), but why do we need Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Georgia and the Baltic countries. I don’t want to feed those who do not want to work but will run to us (unite with us) for the sake of subsidies from the state budget, and even create labor competition with us. Let only those who are ready to work and ready to accept our values ​​come to us IN A LIMITED QUANTITY. If now we can somehow regulate the FLOW of migrants, then with the creation of any association, mass migration can begin. I do not need it. And to unite for the sake of only that: "and let it be useful" - this is nonsense. Spending money on poor Uzbekistan or Tajikistan restoring their economy, which, judging by the flow of gasterbayters in a complete ass, I consider impossible. I also consider it unacceptable to create competition for our farmers.
    The Soviet Union fed many for the sake of the idea of ​​universal equality and fraternity and happiness, I do not believe that this is possible. We need to stop doing charity work, and focus solely on internal projects and those external projects that are beneficial to us or can bring benefits.
    1. sincman
      sincman 20 June 2013 16: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: DonutPowder
      Sorry, I might not understand something (I really don't understand), but why do we need Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Georgia and the Baltic countries.

      This is a rather complicated question ...
      There is such a science - geopolitics, which describes the processes of interstate relations on a global scale. Sometimes, to ensure geopolitical weight, one has to sacrifice something, including money, to receive MUCH large, invisible ordinary inhabitants dividends. Here we take for example Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Georgia. They can be friends with Russia as well as friends against Russia (I am not taking the simple people of these countries, but the political leadership course).
      We take option 1 - they are friends with Russia and are not friends with the United States. Yes, this option provides for some costs in the form of subsidies, migration, etc. But on the other hand, this option allows Russia to have its military bases on the territory of these countries (CSTO example), elite loyalty in solving strategic tasks. Distribution points for their products, for example, Defense, etc. And the problems within the association can be solved by organizational, economic and other methods.
      We take option 2 - they are friends with the United States and are not friends with Russia. This option is fraught with military bases of the potential aggressor (USA) under the belly of Russia, and, accordingly, the constant possibility of destabilizing the situation in the border regions, the inability to solve strategic tasks in the region in their favor. Closing markets, etc. etc.
      Which option do you think contributes to the long-term development of Russia, strengthening it as a state and the tranquility of its citizens?

      Quote: DonutPowder
      The Soviet Union fed many for the sake of the idea of ​​universal equality and fraternity and happiness.

      Sorry, but this is a childish view of things. Thus, the USSR supported its geopolitical weight on the world stage in the confrontation with the United States, and did not develop the ideas of equality and universal happiness.
      1. Powder donut
        Powder donut 21 June 2013 11: 58 New
        +1
        You write the right things and offer honest options. You seem to be a supporter of the empire, a bit of a romantic and an honest person, it seems to you that if we take them under our wing and take care of them, then they and we will live better. So we will move the outer borders, put up bases, early warning radars, missiles, give people confidence in the future (in the acceding countries) and it seems that’s it. As for the sales markets :), tell me a lot you can buy industrial goods for a salary of $ 100? It is this average salary in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, which seems to be better, but I think not much. They are not able to buy our goods, but they can take Chinese consumer goods. Regarding the loyalty of the elites)))) after the collapse of the USSR, talking about this is simply ridiculous, I don’t know how old you are, but I think if you participated in a referendum on the preservation of the USSR, you should have been among those 77% of the votes in favor of preserving the Soviet, where the union ? And the union was ruined just by these "ELITES" whose loyalty you want to buy at the expense of ordinary citizens, greedy fat leeches profited from squandering what our ancestors collected for years and enduring hardships.
        Further, Georgia was friends with the United States, I should continue)) Regarding the bases under the belly, they all just need to be made clear in cases of conflict the first blow will be dealt to them, but not only to the bases.
        USSR USA geopolitical weight, I prefer the American approach to ensuring the loyalty to itself of the satellite countries. They did not build power plants and hospitals, nor did they make this world any better, they stupidly bribed leaders, taught their children in their colleges, opened accounts in their banks ... I think it's cheaper.
        To summarize all of the above, I think we should be as pragmatic as possible about issues of unification. We do not need ballast! Traitors and probably God in 90 divided us, and showed what each country and people stands separately.
        PS I omitted many points, so a long letter about the European part of the USSR, I consider the Baltic countries to be stupidly immoral, I don’t even want to talk about it
  • Algor73
    Algor73 20 June 2013 16: 18 New
    +3
    Integration, integration ... But where? Russia has nowhere to integrate, Ukraine shies from extreme to extreme (we don’t want Russia, because there is no order, Europe does not want us, because we do not have order), Belarus has order, but it wants by itself, etc. To unite, we need an idea, a common one. But there is none. Or a leader, so that everyone sees that he really is for an idea, not a pocket. And who is such a leader? In what former post-union country? So it turns out that it seems to be a union, but no one wants this. And in the near future there will not be such a merger. There are no prerequisites. You have to really face the truth. And the Russian language has nothing to do with it - in the 30s there were much more Ukrainians in Ukraine, all Kharkov spoke Ukrainian and that did not prevent Ukraine from being in the USSR. Especially now, the language is more disjointing than unifying, but you won’t be forcibly sweet, you need to look for a new approach
  • Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 20 June 2013 16: 32 New
    -1
    There is NO chance. The only option is the reunification of the Slavic peoples (the most adequate option). But! due to the fact that the Russians are losing their statehood and are dying out, in Belarus and Ukraine, chauvinistic moods are warming up and the Western orientation is being pushed, this is doubtful. If Belarusians do not have special claims to the Russians, then in Ukraine they are (Zapadents, lovers of Hungarian and Polish Authorities) + a desire to infiltrate Europe (into NATO / NATO) and cross over to the Ottoman Empire (Crimean Tatars, Islamism). Ukraine itself can be divided.
    To unite or reunite, there are neither positive prerequisites, nor desire, nor opportunities. In another 15-25 years, it will be generally unrealistic.
  • krez-74
    krez-74 20 June 2013 16: 39 New
    -1
    Reunification of the Slavic peoples? This will be the end of these very peoples! And what is most interesting, such ideas are often voiced by the "friends" of the Slavs. Personally, I do not blame you for anythingbut believe me, this is utopia! The Slavs built their lives, always together with other nations side by side, this is their most important difference from others.
    1. kuga
      kuga 20 June 2013 16: 59 New
      +4
      The backbone needs to be strengthened. And any division into Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian is largely artificial. One people - Russian.
    2. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 20 June 2013 17: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: krez-74
      Reunion of Slavic peoples? This will be the end of these very peoples! ........ The Slavs built their lives, always together with other nations side by side, this is their most important difference from others.

      If you think that the destruction of "parasitic phenomena" in the name of survival and progress, stabilization and strengthening of national identity is the end, then this is YES. There will be no more: oligarchs; elite; corrupt officials; political prostitutes; religious swindlers and swindlers; caste classes; Organized crime group; independent feudal principalities and independent kaganates; multi-culturalism; untouchable or deified. There will be no more Babylonian pandemonium. For this you will have to fight, both with an internal enemy and with an external one. It's unavoidable.
      The Slavs not only lived next to other peoples, they fought with them and united and shared and divided. Most of all, the Slavs are divided among their people and this must be corrected. Evolution (the Universe) does not tolerate incompleteness, does not tolerate errors or stupidity.
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    4. lexe
      lexe 20 June 2013 21: 32 New
      0
      Explain why the USA and Canada are 2 countries? Have you heard such a concept as the social comfort of society? Our "friends" understand this and unite many peoples around themselves without equalizing everyone to one standard. Switzerland is densely populated by Germans and was not part of the Third Reich (but Close integration is possible only by a large% of coincidences in many points in the mentality - in our example, this is a Slavic union. The re-creation of Russia is a powerful push in the consciousness of the Slavs, a steam locomotive that will eventually pull out the entire space of the former USSR.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 20 June 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    Do we have a chance to fix everything?

    Of course have!! And the situation is being corrected. Today I went to my factory. I have no words!!! Who does not understand - ...... !!!!!!!!!!
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 20 June 2013 17: 14 New
    14
    The main thing is to believe and strive!
    1. jamalena
      jamalena 21 June 2013 06: 50 New
      +2
      - Workers of all countries, unite!
      1. Dimakassir
        Dimakassir 21 June 2013 19: 31 New
        0
        Not only unite, but take POWER IN YOUR HANDS !!!
  • Danilka
    Danilka 20 June 2013 17: 37 New
    0
    interesting and who will be part of this USSR?
    1. Remko
      Remko 20 June 2013 18: 27 New
      -1
      Armenia, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Countries with rich emigration experience.
  • Balko
    Balko 20 June 2013 18: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: cartridge
    in Kazakhstan on May 9 they don’t spit on veterans, like in Ukraine. Bandera’s people in Kazakhstan were not made heroes. Such moves as NATO did Ukraine, Kazakhstan didn’t. Geiparades in Kazakhstan are simply impossible to imagine, unlike Ukraine)) and we swear O.S.K.A.L.I.P.M. you will most likely be called in Ukraine, but not in Kazakhstan. There are a lot of examples.

    Yes, great brainwashed you ...
    When you yourself were in Ukraine? Have you seen what you are writing about?
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 21 June 2013 07: 17 New
      -1
      and the video on Lviv, monuments and fagots are mounted yes? Your brain is rinsed. You now spat in the veterans

      [img]http://im7-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=139846819-61-73&n=21[/img]


  • pensioner
    pensioner 20 June 2013 19: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Atlon
    You understand, real and normal integration will give an opportunity to those who are now scouring the expanses of Russia in search of earnings to work in their own country! Then there will not be these crowds of guest workers, with dumping prices. Then there will be work for us, local, with normal pay. Everything is interconnected.


    Great said !!!
  • pamero
    pamero 20 June 2013 19: 56 New
    +1
    Everything needs to be done again, again.
  • Sour
    Sour 20 June 2013 20: 14 New
    +1
    Unity and brotherhood, this, of course, is good ...
    But one thing should not be forgotten. In Soviet times, Russia (except Moscow, Leningrad and several closed cities) lived worst of alland I remember that very well. Not that it is worse than Ukraine, but even worse than Moldova or Georgia. I remember very well the empty shelves of shops in the RSFSR province, when there was relative abundance in other republics. And everyone laughed at Russia. The Ukrainians were convinced that they lived better than the Russians because the Russians were drunkards and lazy. The other "fraternal peoples" were of the same opinion. And everyone believed that they were feeding Russia, without them the Russians would have starved to death. Everyone counted. that having separated from Russia they would heal much better (even Tajiks and Moldovans thought so). Everyone believed that they were sacrificing their well-being in order to feed the Russians. And then there were no Georgians and Uzbeks going to work in Russia. At that time they looked down on Russia. Time put everything in its place. And it's not a fact that now in Russia many will want to unite again. Unity for the sake of unity alone is of little interest to anyone.
  • jury08
    jury08 20 June 2013 20: 35 New
    -4
    The Russians, when finally get rid of this imperial itch !!!!! You can’t afford it !!! Build your own state and don’t look into someone else’s garden !!! Oil will end soon! If you really want to unite, then give the leadership to Ukraine- to the historical center of Russia, maybe something will come out there! - although I am sure this will not happen because of your chauvinistic moods!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 June 2013 21: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: jury08
      Oil will end soon!

      Well, the fur is over, so what? Running out of oil will be something else.
      Quote: jury08
      If you really want to unite, then give leadership

      And here is the reason, the hunt for a feeder to suck, why then left the USSR?
  • Sour
    Sour 20 June 2013 20: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: jury08
    historical and center of Russia

    Learn a better story. Useful.
    The princely dynasty came to Kiev from Novgorod the Great. It was on the shores of Ilmen and Ladoga that the word sounded for the first time Russ. It was there that the city of Staraya Russa (it was called old even in the 11th century).
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 June 2013 21: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Sour
      Learn a better story. Useful.
      The princely dynasty came to Kiev from Novgorod the Great. It was on the shores of Ilmen and Ladoga that the word Rus sounded for the first time. It was there that the city of Staraya Russa (it was called old even in the 11th century).

      This is an old debate, if we remove from the tale of temporal years sheets that were clearly inserted later (and they describe not less, but Rurik's coming to Russia and linking Russian chronology to the global one), then the picture of Volga Russia is clearly visible, if you name Zalesskaya Horde that says something.
      1. Sour
        Sour 20 June 2013 21: 47 New
        0
        I think the so-called. "alternative history" delirium unworthy of an educated (and even just literate) person. Gentlemen like Fomenko and others make money on people's gullibility. They have filled up all the shelves in bookstores with their books long ago. Excellently published books, with glossy covers, color illustrations and print runs of tens of thousands of copies. At the same time, they howl that the "official science" does not give them a pass. Although serious historical literature is published in circulation of 1000-1500 copies, or even 500-700, it was published modestly and cannot be found on sale. Someone clearly pulls the "alternatives" by the ears (either business or the government), and you can not see it only if you really want not to see it.
        I've heard about the "zalesskaya horde". The Rodina magazine, the founders of which are the Russian government and the presidential administration, pushed this idea especially. The most that neither is the "official story" that people are trying to get into their heads.
      2. Dimakassir
        Dimakassir 21 June 2013 19: 40 New
        +2
        The tale of bygone years survived only in the form of a copy. The original burned out, (if at all) Musin-Pushkin who found the story was suspected of selling fakes for historical relics. Yes, and Nestor the Chronicler wrote an explicit order for the then authorities
        1. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 21 June 2013 20: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: Dimakassir
          The tale of bygone years survived only in the form of a copy. The original burned out, (if at all) Musin-Pushkin who found the story was suspected of selling fakes for historical relics. Yes, and Nestor the Chronicler wrote an explicit order for the then authorities

          I advise you to read the in-depth analysis of Olzhas Suleimenov, Az and I.
          http://kitap.net.ru/sulejmenov/yazykpisma.php
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 21 June 2013 23: 22 New
            0
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            I advise you to read the in-depth analysis of Olzhas Suleimenov, Az and I.
            http://kitap.net.ru/sulejmenov/yazykpisma.php

            A deep analysis of fakes is meaningless.
  • lexe
    lexe 20 June 2013 21: 08 New
    +1
    Most of all, we need a Slavic alliance of 3s. With the rest, an alliance like NATO. But NATO allies are very close and economically / politically / politically but at different borders. We live some 100 years with the dominant and decisive role of the Slavic union, then we can think about Eurasianism . In the meantime ... to restore order at home but not blood - the Russian people must find a way out of the impasse and only by this one fact we will win more friends than all integration plans.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 20 June 2013 21: 28 New
    +7
    While there is interest and discussion of this topic, the process is underway. When this topic is not actively discussed, the process has ordered a long life. And on the topic, the eternal question is the glass is half empty or full, and is there any glass at all?