Stealing the elite has become a serious threat to Putin

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Stealing the elite has become a serious threat to PutinLocal officials unite and block unfavorable center decisions for them, expert says

The authorities, as best they can, fight for the cleanliness of a bureaucratic corporation — as they can, it snaps and fights. Marlezonsky ballet called "anti-corruption struggle" began long ago, and the final is not visible to him yet. Only intrigues now and then twist one more than another, citizens with amazement will learn about all the new and new criminal schemes, but they don’t know about the others. After all, among those who bring corrupt officials to clean water, there are corrupt officials.

In general, the fight against corruption can be quite clearly compared with the treatment of HIV infection. That is, we all know that, in principle, it is impossible to exterminate the virus of corruption, as it is impossible to eradicate possessiveness in principle, but the state conducts some of its “antiretroviral therapy”, thanks to which the state’s immunity is still at the proper level. True, this “damned question” from Griboedov interferes with this “treatment”: and who are the judges? That is, we know them very well by name, they don’t get off the TV screens, but how clean are they themselves, how genuinely are they fighting corruption, and how much do they sincerely believe in their success? ..

Meanwhile, corruption in Russia is greatly aggravated by the fact that the overwhelming majority of its large “adepts” feel practically invulnerable: their loyalty, sometimes hypertrophied, to the Kremlin is a guarantee. The corrupt, of course, must in principle be loyal, because he needs some guarantees. So it’s not at all surprising that oh, what a considerable proportion of bureaucrats tied up for corruption turned out to be members of one political party, which, by the way, made fighting bribe-takers one of its program priorities. What does this mean in practice? And the fact that the main corrupt officials in Russia, according to statistics, are doctors and teachers.

In February of last year, a truly shocking news: in the city of Pavlovo, Nizhny Novgorod region, law enforcement agencies detained ... An 90-year-old female doctor, a blockade who “took bribes” with food. No one argues with the fact that everyone is equal before the law, but well, the gallant Investigative Committee is clearly struggling from the wrong end. Patients accept food and even small rewards, as reality suggests, not at all from a good life. And somewhere much higher than the blockade-doctor Antonina Antonova, the official Vasily Pupkin (all coincidences are accidental) sits, on which her position directly depends and which should not be like this: money from the budget goes on regularly. But Pupkin is not tugging: he is an important and necessary person. He can, at the right time, mobilize an obedient, budget-dependent electorate and make a weighty contribution to the victory of the party, some of whose representatives, I remember, called history with doctor Antonova "an obvious bend". Greater corruption gives rise to petty. But if for the first one there is a free choice, greed for money and power, then for the second one is at times elementary need.

And finally, to bring all these "Basil Pupkin" with large bellies, on which the jackets do not converge, to clean water ... but something our valiant consequence is not in a hurry. Although the head of state does not get tired of repeating the blatant facts of embezzlement. And he doesn’t just speak, but he demands that he pound the table with his fist.

In vain knocks. At least, the authors of the article in the American edition of Foreign Affairs, an article analyzing the “anti-corruption campaign” conducted in Russia, say so. The well-known Russian economist Vladislav Inozemtsev and the Bulgarian political analyst Ivan Krastev, in their joint work “Putin’s Self-Destruction” (“Putin’s Suicide”), argue that the ongoing anti-corruption campaign in Russia with all its obvious advantages can be a stick for the government’s image on two ends: this struggle in itself can deprive the current regime of legitimacy. However, the authors chose a somewhat strange example of a “vivid example”: for some reason they remembered the “dry law” introduced by Gorbachev, who, in their opinion, became the “grave-digger” of the regime. However, with the very promise that the anti-corruption struggle now being waged "on all fronts" may be fraught with Putin, it is difficult to disagree.

Under the conditions of total “manual control”, when the notorious “vertical” turned out to be only the imagination of the president himself, the real, and not declared, struggle against bribe-takers in the high political atmosphere can indeed be fraught with the Kremlin. It is precisely because (it is important to understand!) That the inactive vertical, when any small clerk thousands of kilometers from Moscow can give a damn about the disposal of the Kremlin, realizing that he most likely will have nothing for that, and if he does, then not immediately you can have time to slip away. The people, seeing the inability of the authorities to appease the voracious beast, is about to be ready to grumble. After all, declarations are declarations, but utility bills from them will not be less.

But the doctor from the district clinic will be planted.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, the Chairman of the Anti-Corruption Committee of Russia, Kirill Kabanov, noted that the fight against corruption, with all its flaws and risks, is needed as a guarantee of preserving the state as such:

- In fact, opposition to the control system by the elite has been going on for a long time, and the assertion that an active fight against corruption will inevitably lead to some negative consequences is nonsense. If such a struggle is not waged, the control system itself, even if it is such today, will be destroyed. Then officials tied with corruption schemes form a kind of “corporation”. Yes, strictly speaking, today such officials are uniting locally and blocking unfavorable decisions from the center. Their tasks are radically different from those declared by Putin. They do not connect their lives and the lives of their loved ones with Russia, and they live by the simple principle of earning money here as long as there is such an opportunity.

So, the now caught part of the elite is already a serious threat to the current government, and to the country in general. The fight against them must first be effective, but there are certain concerns in this area. In the struggle there should be no kinks, the change of elites should be done carefully. There should not be some kind of nagging, let someone continue to think that the current fight against corruption is not being actively pursued. In priority - efficiency.
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  1. +28
    14 June 2013 15: 08
    So the good king and the evil boyars, had it already happened somewhere? ...
    1. Vovka levka
      +15
      14 June 2013 15: 13
      Quote: Isk1984
      So the good king and the evil boyars, had it already happened somewhere? ...

      And many, many times. The theme is reinforced concrete, and people like it.
      1. +3
        14 June 2013 16: 43
        A chant in the spirit of the Brezhnev era - PUTIN PUTIN ????
        1. +9
          14 June 2013 17: 48
          Do you remember the Brezhnev era well?
          There were no chants "Brezhnev, Brezhnev". Did not have.
          There was enough applause and ovation, but it was not accepted to chant the name of the leader.
          In general, then the party congresses looked different. More delegates, longer speeches, and on both TV channels (there were only two of them then) showed nothing but congresses.
          And the Secretary General of the CPSU was elected by secret ballot. Of course, a fiction, but it was accepted.
          By the way, chanting the surname of the head of the party is not an eructation of the Brezhnev era. It is rather borrowed from the West.
          1. -2
            14 June 2013 18: 13
            Quote: Sour
            More delegates, longer speeches, and on both TV channels (there were only two of them then) showed nothing but congresses.

            And on the third channel the KGB man asked: "Why don't you like the first two?" (from anecdote) wink
            And the next day in all the newspapers the text of the speech was printed, interrupted by inserts "applause", "stormy prolonged applause", and after the speech "stormy prolonged applause, turning into a standing ovation, shouts of 'Hurray!', 'Glory to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union !!', 'Long live. party, government, and personally dear comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev !!! ' "(no longer an anecdote, but a historical fact).
          2. -1
            14 June 2013 18: 14
            Quote: Sour
            More delegates, longer speeches, and on both TV channels (there were only two of them then) showed nothing but congresses.

            And on the third channel the KGB man asked: "Why don't you like the first two?" (from anecdote) wink
            And the next day in all the newspapers the text of the speech was printed, interrupted by inserts "applause", "stormy prolonged applause", and after the speech "stormy prolonged applause, turning into a standing ovation, shouts of 'Hurray!', 'Glory to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union !!', 'Long live. party, government, and personally dear comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev !!! ' "(no longer an anecdote, but a historical fact).
        2. 0
          15 June 2013 11: 55
          Only under Brezhnev did the USSR reach its peak in development, and under Putin we are forced to "indulge" ourselves with its former greatness --- most of the respondents consider "dear Leonid Ilyich" to be the BEST RULER of the 20th CENTURY.

          Although I did not live then, I know that there were also enough praises: in 1981, at the 78th Congress of the CPSU, the Secretary General's speech was interrupted by applause - 40 times, "prolonged applause" - 8 times, "stormy prolonged applause - XNUMX times.

          So;) I think chanting "Putin-Putin" "is like saying nothing, by the standards of the Communist Party.
      2. +4
        14 June 2013 16: 46
        It's not about the kings, but the fact that the author is right! And you need not say that you heard this somewhere, but take some real measures to the GDP, and first of all to the upper layer of the elite, while at the "bottom" they say why they can, and I can't get it off the ground throughout country wide and vertically!
        1. w.ebdo.g
          +10
          14 June 2013 17: 47
          why does everyone expect actions and decisions from Putin?
          and who will he rely on? all sit at home, on the Internet and philosophize at the expense of the king, the boyars ...
          But what is everyone ready to do to free their homeland from parasites?
          when will Putin call people to revolt against bureaucrats, bribe takers and outspoken agents?
          I personally will go to this front without hesitation. Stop thinking already. Enough.
          It's time to start acting ...
          Apparently next year everything will start.
          1. +6
            14 June 2013 18: 07
            I personally will go to this front without thinking.

            And who will not go? Only now nobody is going to call us, unfortunately, they are sitting there, playing in a sandbox.
            Apparently next year everything will start.

            They also talked about 2013, but things are still there. sad No action was taken to pin hopes on 2014.
            1. +6
              14 June 2013 22: 59
              Quote: Joker
              They also talked about 2013, but things are still there.

              Well, actually, if you regularly read INOSMI (translations), you can see that the tone in the American press has changed dramatically. Earlier there was sharp criticism of the "rotten, corrupt Putin regime", but now the tone of the articles is given approximately in the spirit of "massive political repression under the guise of an anti-corruption struggle for minor economic offenses", oh, how! Is this nothing happening? In my opinion, it is still happening, and is happening so noticeably that it is already noticeable in the Western press. And we know the W / W rule - if the Western media start to resent something and actively oppose it, it means that they have moved in the absolutely right direction and just there they need to, and with acceleration!
          2. +1
            14 June 2013 20: 51
            w.ebdo.g (1) RU "why does everyone expect actions and decisions from Putin?
            and who will he rely on? everyone is at home, ... "
            -------------------------------------------------- ---
            And he was not going to write anything, but he met this statement and could not resist ... Here is poor Putin, doesn’t know whom to lean on? Moreover, such worthy PEOPLE in all respects as KVACHKOV, KHABAR, and other true PATRIOTS, he simply DOESN’T notice, and the trouble is, he doesn’t even know that these Bastards-MZDOIMTS condemned them !!! It’s such a misfortune, such a misfortune, who to turn to, how to reach out to Putin, so that the poor can tell him all this, then his native FATHER will be able to lean on them and the FIGHT against CORRUPTIONS will begin!
            1. 0
              15 June 2013 01: 16
              Quote: alexdol
              Here is poor Putin, doesn’t know who to rely on? Moreover, such people worthy in all respects

              This path was taken by both Trotsky and Lenin)). Take the loot from the enemy of Russia to lead it (Russia) to a bright future. In principle, they did it. But will Russia have enough population to go through this path again? And will the "geopolitical partners" allow?)).
              1. +2
                15 June 2013 08: 07
                CTEPX RU "This path was passed by both Trotsky and Lenin)). Take the loot from the enemy of Russia, ..."
                --------------------------------------------------
                Something I do not quite understand your comment? And what has "Trotsky and Lenin" to do with it? And what did they do? The fact that Trotsky is the rarest bastard has always been known about this, but today I and "Ilyich" belong to the same bastards! And it turned out not for them, but for STALIN! And if it were not for him, then through the efforts of the "heroes" listed by you and you and I today, most likely, too, were no longer there ...
                1. SASCHAmIXEEW
                  +1
                  15 June 2013 14: 40
                  Lenin and Trotsky would be built, too, that Putin built ... We need a second STALIN ,! to put all the scum on the wall !!! But then you need to change both the FSB and the FSO!
                2. 0
                  17 June 2013 16: 58
                  Quote: alexdol
                  Something I do not quite understand your comment? And what has "Trotsky and Lenin" to do with it?


                  I agree. Kvachkov and Khabarov are more like Decembrists. Just about the Anglo-Saxon trace of the Decembrists - no one knows. About Trotsky with Lenin - a more understandable story.
                  And Stalin, a man who opposed himself and the history of Russia to the Anglo-Saxons)).
        2. cartridge
          +1
          14 June 2013 18: 07
          Correctly! The fight against corruption must begin from the very top!
          1. +2
            15 June 2013 01: 04
            The fish rots from the head, but they clean it from the tail. Have not forgotten this yet. And who at the top will fight corruption? Serdyukov? Medvedev? Zhirinovsky with his sons? Or maybe Chubais? Not a damn thing will come of it, corruption is invincible. Even Stalin could not defeat her
            1. SASCHAmIXEEW
              0
              15 June 2013 14: 45
              Jews didn’t give Stalin, they poisoned him! And he would have brought the Jewish Zionists away, and with them corruption, or rather bribe takers, there was no corruption as such !!!
        3. +2
          14 June 2013 23: 44
          Quote: neri73-r
          why they can, but I can’t

          And it would be nice to try and at least some (in principle, of course, everyone) say to themselves, "you can't." I know, I know, "The fish goes out from the head." .And what an interesting excuse for themselves, many have chosen - they steal cars there, but I can't? And then they loudly shout, “We are Orthodox.” And observance of the commandments is useless? That is, again, double standards. I believe that ANYONE and NEVER should be stolen. And you never know what someone does, this is not a reason for me to do the same. Any collapse begins with a small pebble.
        4. 0
          15 June 2013 14: 41
          Quote: neri73-r
          but that the author is right

          The author is not right in the definition - this is not the failed elite, but the thieves who have become it.
          It was naive to suppose that thieves who received power and money would begin to take care of the country and people.
      3. +2
        15 June 2013 10: 36
        Quote: "The authorities, as best they can, are fighting for the purity of the bureaucratic corporation ..."
        Is this a joke on the grudge of the day? Sorry, I didn’t read further ...
      4. optimist
        +5
        15 June 2013 11: 26
        Hence the conclusion: how stupid the people were 600 years ago, they remain so ... This fairy tale about the "good" tsar and "bad" boyars have been vtyuhivat from time immemorial. And despite all the achievements of civilization, people are not getting smarter. Only "performances" become larger and more expensive ... request And what is surprising: there are not so many "lured" people in the country. When some head of administration and a "member" of the corresponding party of criminal elements praises VVP, it is understandable: he has his own "swag" from this. But when a poor, dry collective farmer or a simple hard worker, interrupted by odd jobs, is ready to tear up ... for GDP, any logic puts a bullet in his forehead ...
    2. +2
      14 June 2013 16: 37
      Everything goes and it goes ... Everything goes in a spiral ...
    3. +6
      14 June 2013 17: 19
      King makes retinue
    4. +5
      14 June 2013 17: 48
      I read your comments and realized that reading and viewing is completely different. Putin, in your first term, if you forgot, just a protege of the system. And the system was strong, almost invulnerable ... Even the second term for Putin was just a breakdown of the pen.
      And now Putin is already an independent figure. But the system was and still is. You can replace the node, you can replace half of the nodes, the system will work as before ... Therefore, serious matters will not be brought to their logical end. They will put Serdyukov, many powers of the world will fall this. And they have enough money to simply remove Putin ... In every sense.
      It seems to me that the latest laws on income and deposits, on property abroad, on NPOs are just steps to knock out an alternate airport (such as London) for corruption officials. And the Americans understood this very well ... And the opposition was organized perfectly.
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 23: 49
        Quote: domokl
        I think h

        Thought rightly so. We can see with you thinkers working in the same direction. IMHO.
      2. optimist
        +3
        15 June 2013 12: 46
        Dear domokl! If you follow your (and not only your) logic, then VVP is a cunning KGB patriot who "hid" until the "X" hour, and then as he will show everyone! Just a kind of Ilya Muromets, who lay on the stove for 33 years, and then broke into everyone's cradle !!! laughing If you are at least a LITTLE aware of people getting into the current government, you should be aware: even the dumbest toilet washer is simply not taken to the administration of the city of Zadrishchevsk. I think you will not argue that starting at least with the humpbacked, all the rulers of Russia are agents of Western influence (at best). Let me remind you that your GDP in the early 90s "sawed" the state property in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg with Chubais and Sobchak. But even if we assume the impossible: the GDP RAPE and began to work for the interests of Russia, then literally the next day the whole world will know that (for example): he was a traitor in the KGB, and now he has billions in Western banks and at night he drinks the blood of virgins ... Don't be naive: those who brought him to power in the early 2000s probably have a bunch of compromising evidence in case the "kid wants to kick up" ... Try to convince me otherwise. And I repeat 10000000 times: the director of a "gay club", by definition, cannot be a normal man. And the Russian people have a very good saying: "What a priest, so is the arrival !!!"
    5. honest jew
      +3
      15 June 2013 13: 37
      Rather, Swan Lake would already be shown on TV .....
      1. 0
        15 June 2013 14: 27
        hm, they hit a point ... a patient ... I'm afraid we may not wait ...
  2. Nevsky
    +5
    14 June 2013 15: 09
    Now they will begin to break spears, which is more here: "The Tsar is hindered by the evil boyars" or "the occupation regime, which does not allow Putin to realize people's sovereignty" bully
    1. +10
      14 June 2013 16: 35
      I will propose a third option: "Putin leads the occupation administration" and implements the strategy of the overseas winner in the "cold war" laughing
      1. Dawn
        +4
        14 June 2013 17: 33
        More precisely, he continues this strategy, along with Medvedev.
        1. +3
          14 June 2013 17: 59
          Quote: Dawn
          More precisely, he continues this strategy, along with Medvedev.

          Sorry, but tipun your tongue!
      2. Dawn
        +2
        14 June 2013 17: 34
        More precisely, he continues this strategy, along with Medvedev.
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 22: 24
          Another tip to your tongue. Next tip will be lead
      3. +1
        15 June 2013 01: 19
        Quote: vadimN
        I will propose a third option: "Putin leads the occupation administration" and implements the strategy of the overseas winner in the "cold war"

        I will offer the fourth option: "Putin is in charge of the occupation administration"
        and leads the partisan movement of Russia)).
  3. Stock captain
    +18
    14 June 2013 15: 20
    If the fight against corruption is real, it is necessary to shoot for bribes in China.
    1. +2
      14 June 2013 23: 18
      Quote: Captain of the Reserve
      If the fight against corruption is real, it’s necessary to shoot for bribes in China

      - somehow completely in non-commissioned officers, oh, in captain’s, that is, excuse me. In a punitive case, the inevitability of punishment is much more important than its ferocity and the guarantee that this punishment will surely overtake all the perpetrators, regardless of position, ranks, connections, regalia and degree of influence. And so it can just sculpt a year - subject to the above two conditions, this will definitely give a result. And to shoot people who hold a post below a certain limit or post for corruption means simply staging a show for the people once a month in the square, where the 90-year-old blockade girl who was noted in the SAJ laughing but serious Vasya Pupkins will also look at it, but from VIP places.
      I know only one period of a completely non-corruption state - this is the USSR from 30 to the early 50s of the last century. But the ruling elite did not like this period terribly. Still - I’d like to edit so that if you made a mistake, neglected or could not resist the temptation, then you wouldn’t have anything for it. Therefore, the death of Stalin is highly suspicious. Therefore, if Putin stumbles somewhere or is careless, then we’ll also guess. The dream of the ruling elite has already been fulfilled for 25 years, let it snooze from the heart. It rules and does not bear any responsibility for this. You do not like? Call them from the deserts, where they like to take a walk and somehow convey to them the thought that ah-ah-ah, it's time to edit so that there would be a result. No result in Skolkovo? How much money was spent? Take an analog - Silicon Valley. By the time a similar amount was spent, the Silicon Valley already had such and such a result. Where is the similar one here? No? forward to Kolyma and with the song. And so for each industry, for each item.
      1. fisherman
        +4
        15 June 2013 01: 24
        "Thousands of people are thinking about how to improve laws, and millions of people are thinking about how to get around them" (V. Putin)
  4. -2
    14 June 2013 15: 20
    Quote: Isk1984
    So the good king and the evil boyars, had it already happened somewhere? ...

    So it was, is and will be ... And it does not matter who the king is.
  5. fenix57
    0
    14 June 2013 15: 23
    VVP cannot know much ... Primorsky Territory, Slavyansky Shipyard (owned by Tekiev (his "former" wife) - Vice Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Primorsky Territory (his wife) - they want to build a coal terminal - against the wishes of the residents of Slavyanka! construction is underway ... And they know in the region, but ... mani.mani ... o..yes ..
    1. +3
      14 June 2013 16: 38
      Quote: fenix57
      ) -Want to build a coal terminal- against the desire of the residents of Slavyanka!

      Today, the "vertical" and big business can easily and are ready to negotiate with local residents. And if this does not happen, then there is a high probability that specially trained funds will participate in organizing the protests)). Especially when it comes to key projects: modern metallurgy - the foundations of modern machine tool building, the organization of the extraction of raw materials to create a modern element base. But what is there, the organization of any production requiring local labor resources is immediately attacked. A vivid example: the organization of PR-baiting of the construction of the Yenisei ferroalloy plant in Krasnoyarsk. It was started by the Gorbachev Foundation and Khodorkovsky's media, then "local" exporters of non-ferrous metals, ALL parties and ALL local "elites" followed suit. Rather, not all, but only "all" were shown)).
      We agreed to the point that the industrial city of Krasnoyarsk should become a financial and tourist center)) of Russia. Question: where in this case will the Russian-speaking population go?
      As a result, Putin's 2020 development program is under real threat of disruption)).
      This topic, requires a real investigation and real landings.
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    3. rereture
      +2
      14 June 2013 18: 28
      Quote: fenix57
      .mani.mani ... o..yes ..


      In fact, it says mani, and spells money wink
    4. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      15 June 2013 14: 54
      Where are the partisans?
  6. +10
    14 June 2013 15: 27
    Knocks in vain. At least, this is the opinion of the authors of an article published in the American edition of Foreign Affairs with an analysis of the "anti-corruption campaign" carried out in Russia. The well-known Russian economist Vladislav Inozemtsev and the Bulgarian political scientist Ivan Krastev in their joint work "Putin's Self-Destruction" argue that the high-profile anti-corruption campaign currently being conducted in Russia, with all its obvious advantages for the image of the government, may most likely turn out to be a stick on two ends: this struggle in itself can deprive the current regime of legitimacy. True, the authors chose a somewhat strange "illustrative example": for some reason they remembered the "dry law" introduced under Gorbachev, who, in their opinion, became the "gravedigger" of the regime. However, it is difficult to disagree with the very message that the anti-corruption struggle currently under way "on all fronts" may be fraught with danger for Putin.

    Well, this is not news ... And so everyone knows that American authors mean ... But mean that the State Department is not going to stop funding the opposition part of Russia, in the form of NGOs and other pseudo-organizations that lead and support subversive activities to destroy Russia from the inside ...
  7. KCC
    KCC
    +5
    14 June 2013 15: 28
    It seems that the time has come to introduce the oprichnina, after such an analysis of the situation in the country with corruption, you begin to understand something similar to the motives of the actions of Ivan Vasilyevich (Ivan Gorozny).
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 16: 46
      Quote: KCC
      similar motives for the actions of Ivan Vasilievich (Ivan Gorozny

      Absolutely! Everything there also happened against the background of the collapse of the State.
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    4. +4
      14 June 2013 16: 57
      Quote: KCC
      it's time to introduce the oprichnina


      Then it will not seem to everyone right and guilty
      1. +2
        14 June 2013 19: 30
        Well no.
        Those, again will be attached to "rods" to distribute and you and me on the hat.
      2. +2
        14 June 2013 22: 30
        Vadivak, the forest is cut - chips fly. What do you want? They started the disease and now dream of antibiotics without side effects? Haha Among the side effects may be impotence, in the sense that the state can remain alive, free from corruption, but in terms of scientific and technological development, complete zero. Like norway laughing
    5. +3
      14 June 2013 17: 57
      Quote: KCC
      It seems that the time has come to introduce the oprichnina, after such an analysis of the situation in the country with corruption, you begin to understand something similar to the motives of Ivan Vasilievich (Ivan Gorozny

      Well, actually the oprichnina has long been introduced. There is a caste of untouchables (the truth is more precisely a group. Because, ideally, this has a completely different meaning). Which crushed the entire economy. It began with Yeltsin, with his famous family. Putin behaved the same way, only family members are classmates, classmates, the FSB.
      He was hoping. that these will not betray. Mistake, the revolution devours its children. A monster has grown that makes him play by his own rules. and like the course of a river, it’s cool when it’s downstream, but against the contrary, it will break you down.
      Having led Russia along the path of the vertical of power, who thought that in the end the vertical will begin to rule its leader
      1. fisherman
        +1
        15 June 2013 01: 31
        that in the end, the vertical will begin to rule its leader


        do not forget to use the same logic when discussing, for example, military supplies to Syria in order to look like a consistent patient :))
    6. 0
      15 June 2013 11: 07
      And to appoint Serdyukov as the chief oprichnik - he is now just free ....
  8. +15
    14 June 2013 15: 28
    Let's decide: we want corruption to be fought or developed methods to combat it.
    If nothing is done, then the cart will not budge.
    As much as we would not like, but (unfortunately) there will be no public executions, but there will be multi-volume, boring affairs.
    Without the complete confiscation of stolen property hidden from relatives or abroad, there will be no effective fight against embezzlers!
    1. +3
      14 June 2013 23: 23
      Quote: omsbon
      Without the complete confiscation of stolen property hidden from relatives or abroad, there will be no effective fight against embezzlers!

      In gold. On granite. And each letter is two arshins.
      1. fisherman
        +4
        15 June 2013 01: 34
        during the survey it turned out that approximately 85% of Russians consider all businessmen, deputies, officials - thieves ... while about 85% of them would like to be in their place ...

        :)
  9. +6
    14 June 2013 15: 41
    According to statistics, the main corrupt officials in Russia are doctors and teachers.
    Statistics knows everything! Yes, yes, they are the root of Russia's corruption troubles.
    More nurses, nurses, and kindergarten teachers! The aggravation taking place on March 8 shakes the foundations of civilization.
    Funny ... if it weren’t so sad.

    Quote: omsbon
    Without the complete confiscation of stolen property hidden from relatives or abroad, there will be no effective fight against embezzlers!


    This is one way. And when they say that it’s difficult to do in our country in view of the vast territories, again it’s ridiculous ..
    Another way is the "Komsomol" call to power. The patient's "blood" should be changed all over, not in portions. We have enough talented youth.
    1. +5
      14 June 2013 16: 38
      Quote: Chen
      We will have enough talented youth.


      Yeah ... the Seliger party has long been in a queue to the feeding trough sitting and waiting, waiting ....
      1. +5
        14 June 2013 22: 38
        Young people from the age of fifteen know the rules of the game laughing Already at the age of fifteen I dream in a frontier school, I admire and ask, like I admire !, to devote his life to protecting the borders of the Motherland, and he, a goldfinch, looks at me like a sucker - well, what can you do, I’m an elderly naive and patiently explains that the frontier guard has a faculty of border inspection, and the defense of the homeland at this faculty is a task of the second degree of importance laughing Are you hoping for this youth? And actually there’s no other laughing Nude nude
        1. +2
          15 June 2013 01: 49
          Quote: aksakal
          Are you hoping for this youth? And the other one is actually gone

          Yes there is, there are other youth! Only she is not purposefully targeted. Till)).
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            +1
            15 June 2013 15: 08
            That's right, true RUSSIA, not like "our" power! At the top there is only Jewish Zionist foam and their hangers-on, but their replacement is on the way !!! Tremble ghouls and goofs, you will be COURT without lawyers !!!
  10. +4
    14 June 2013 15: 41
    According to statistics, the main corrupt officials in Russia are doctors and teachers.
    Statistics knows everything! Yes, yes, they are the root of Russia's corruption troubles.
    More nurses, nurses, and kindergarten teachers! The aggravation taking place on March 8 shakes the foundations of civilization.
    Funny ... if it weren’t so sad.

    Quote: omsbon
    Without the complete confiscation of stolen property hidden from relatives or abroad, there will be no effective fight against embezzlers!


    This is one way. And when they say that it’s difficult to do in our country in view of the vast territories, again it’s ridiculous ..
    Another way is the "Komsomol" call to power. The patient's "blood" should be changed all over, not in portions. We have enough talented youth.
    1. avt
      +3
      14 June 2013 16: 23
      Quote: Chen
      Another way is the "Komsomol" call to power. The patient's "blood" should be changed all over, not in portions. We have enough talented youth.

      Do you think under total capitalism and the Gaidar formula that is still in effect - the market will regulate everything, will it help? After the putsch, I happened to see how the then libertations in the government offices revel in victory and words about how we will live now and how grown-up uncles are popular, whom they gently ride on a chisel train and beckoning denyuzhkoy quickly accustomed to the "values ​​of the free world." a gang and threw the Komsomol members, and as a former catering worker, the owner of one of the first cooperative restaurants in Moscow on Kropotkinskaya, where they took 10% each, later told the Komsomol outsiders, getting stupefied by the sight of money, they began to take 40-50%. you offer a turnip from that end.
      1. +6
        14 June 2013 18: 04
        Quote: avt
        Here is something that tells me - you have a turnip from the other end.

        Speak correctly! To announce the change of course from the "free" market to the course of state socialism! With all that it implies. And business will go. And Lukashenka will share his experience how, what, whom and how much.
        1. 0
          15 June 2013 01: 25
          Quote: Egoza
          about changing the course from the "free" market to the course of state socialism!

          For starters, at least, on the course of state capitalism)).
  11. KCC
    KCC
    +11
    14 June 2013 15: 43
    It is necessary to introduce full confiscation in the criminal code, so that not only the property of the embezzler and the corrupt official would be confiscated, but also the property of his immediate family. I understand it sounds harsh, but now the whole family of officials will be afraid not to stay in the open field when they grab a grabber and this may stop them from burying at all.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      15 June 2013 15: 10
      1000 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  12. +3
    14 June 2013 15: 46
    Chubais would be the first to shoot all property to the state.
    1. +1
      15 June 2013 01: 28
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Chubais would be the first to shoot all property to the state.

      Half the property of the Rothschilds is in the studio!
  13. +9
    14 June 2013 16: 01
    Confiscation, yes! The death penalty, yes! It would not be bad to return work in places not so remote. And that is terrible in prison. Sit, read books, sleep, eat and walk under guard. 2 thirds without noise spent on parole went quietly spending stolen goods.
    And it would not be bad to start with ourselves. Those who work in the sovereign service as expected (qualitatively). In the sense of not familiar out of turn queue, and ordinary citizens to receive properly. Then the lines will at least become smaller. And accordingly it is not necessary to mumble.
    1. +12
      14 June 2013 16: 18
      And we work as it should for 12 hours. And the hard worker has a quarterly bonus of 500 rubles and the boss has 700 thousand. They don’t put a simple person in anything.
  14. fisherman
    +9
    14 June 2013 16: 02
    But he himself is not from this elite? He is going to fight with friends and relatives .... with tenacity good
  15. fisherman
    +3
    14 June 2013 16: 06
    Slepakov's song "Song of a Russian official"

    Overwhelmed by wild fear, I am all mired in robbery,
    I'm stealing on such a scale that I’m even ashamed already.
    I used to steal carefully, but right now I’m completely insolent,
    And it is already impossible not to notice my two-way circuits.

    The country has declared, like, a fight with people like me,
    But I'm still free, and here are my friends.
    Where I don’t see logic, I’m fighting this riddle,
    After all, I’m so sleeping all over Russia while I’m afraid of him
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  17. +6
    14 June 2013 16: 12
    And what's the point of planting them? They stole from the state, well, they’ll put them in prison. And what are we supposed to keep them with our taxes? And as always, they will be released under an amnesty. Not only to shoot either at a uranium mine. am
    1. +5
      14 June 2013 18: 09
      Quote: nikolas 83
      And what should we keep them with our taxes?

      Well, that's wrong you say! What do you mean "we contain them"? Let them work, sew, for example, they can even put their name on - "Chubais mittens" - they will be snapped up like a souvenir and presents to our bosses. But to eat - only for the amount that you earned, minus taxes, utility costs, security costs ... fellow
  18. pahom54
    +7
    14 June 2013 16: 21
    Quote: Stock Captain
    If the fight against corruption is real, it is necessary to shoot for bribes in China.

    Even the prime minister (shot) was shot, having previously given a cigarette without a filter to smoke ... The heads must be demolished, regardless of the ranks, and especially to the snickering boyars in the Duma - to the root!
    1. 0
      14 June 2013 16: 24
      Totally agree with you. good
    2. +2
      14 June 2013 17: 53
      And who will judge?
      Do you know at least one last name of an honest official or incorruptible judge?
      And what kind of executions and confiscations can be said when even Serdyukov was not imprisoned.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        15 June 2013 15: 21
        Dimok, that you smear everyone with one world, there are both honest and incorruptible ones, and there are enough of them in Russia ... There’s a misfortune at the beginning ... We’ll see how they will manage the stool .. If they let go of the world, it means that the government is corrupt from top to bottom! !! The moment of truth will come soon ...!
  19. +10
    14 June 2013 16: 24
    It has long been evident that sabotage is going on in the country! By the way, it was the same before the 37 year ...
  20. +8
    14 June 2013 16: 30
    Put all the "fighters" against economic crimes on self-financing. Salaries and bonuses -% of returned funds court sentence!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      15 June 2013 15: 22
      1000 ++++++++++++++++++++++
  21. +1
    14 June 2013 16: 32
    In order to fight corruption, it is necessary to create a special state structure, endowed with the appropriate powers and independent of officials of all ranks. In the meantime, corrupt officials themselves are fighting it, because of their modest abilities, i.e. from time to time rent competitors.
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    2. sashka
      +6
      14 June 2013 16: 46
      Quote: uzer 13
      To fight corruption, you need to create a special state structure

      There are few prosecutors and TFR. ? What other structures? Now officials are 140 million more than there were 300 million in the USSR. Whoever wants to do it, who does not want to seek a reason. After failures with all national projects and campaign promises, the search for switchmen began. The control system and style have not changed. So you have to wait for the magic date 2020. Then everything will be built and produced. And the people are stupidly led to such a crap .. The king is good. The people and the boyars are wrong.
      1. +1
        14 June 2013 19: 24
        It is necessary to clear the power of traders when one tradesman controls and verifies another.
        Aliens do not go here.
        And their cooperative is testing us all.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        15 June 2013 15: 27
        In the case "about the protection of the gambling business by the prosecutor's office," something both the UK and the prosecutor's office are keeping quiet ...! Where is the media and TV?
  22. lm_
    +1
    14 June 2013 16: 35
    Here are some more ways to fight corruption. Maybe we will hear something effective, and they will hear us somewhere above. We do not lose hope for a just world around us.
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 01: 39
      Quote: lm_
      Here are some more ways to fight corruption.

      It is impossible to steal from someone you respect)).
      If an official respects his ... and, by the way, whom should an official respect? people? the electorate?
      If the people respect ... by the way, whom should the people respect? power? country?
      If the child respects the parents.
      If the subordinate respects the leader.

      They (respected) - he will not steal!)).
  23. +3
    14 June 2013 16: 36
    Everyone knows who is stealing from us and can not do anything with them. Theater of the absurd.
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 17: 52
      I propose to shoot them all.
      The whole question is - will there be enough rounds?
      And most importantly - who will shoot? One who does not steal? You still need to find such ones.
      1. +3
        14 June 2013 18: 12
        Quote: Sour
        And most importantly - who will shoot? One who does not steal? You still need to find such ones.

        And what is the most dumb? Or are you stealing too?
        Well, call our veterans. They certainly do not flinch your hand!
      2. +2
        14 June 2013 18: 35
        I do not steal)))
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        15 June 2013 15: 36
        You suggested, we’ll start with you - there’s no need to search ...
  24. +5
    14 June 2013 16: 49
    This can only be if Putin himself has become a serious threat to the stealing elites. And he is not so stupid. Any elite can be overthrown only by a wave of drive of the people, and not by the will of the leader. Leaders chew and do not choke. So we can only be a threat to the elites, or rather, our passionarity, if we have it.
    Something seems to me, everything is not so scary for the elites. Or is it I just did not notice that Chubais was planted? Or was Kudrin responsible for turning the sea of ​​oil into green candy wrappers and raising the United States? That's it ...
  25. +5
    14 June 2013 16: 50
    The tops can’t, the lower classes don’t want ... There are two options: the leader / dictator will seize power, who will repeat 37 years, or the bureaucrats will take power, who will surrender the country to the West. In the second case, China will “save” the Far East and, possibly, Siberia.
    And it is also important that HALF of the population have put up with this and does not even think in their thoughts that something can be achieved without a Bribe. CRIMINAL disbelief in law enforcement (we have only 1%! Of the population believes the police), education and health systems and simply the authorities.
    An honest official is someone who takes a bribe and FULFILLS the promise.
    But when they extort a bribe, that’s one thing, but if you give it yourself, it’s another.
    Corruption is not in the offices, but in our heads, and until it gets out of there, there will be no business.
    PS Putin believes that "the situation with corruption in the country has improved" ...
    It is necessary that it improves without corruption!
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 01: 44
      Quote: knn54
      power will be seized by a leader / dictator who will repeat 37years

      Moreover, the wider the support of the leader / dictator, the less "chips")).
  26. +2
    14 June 2013 17: 27
    While half measures are underway, that on the adoption of laws (the law was adopted but the confiscation was not introduced), that on their implementation (there are defendants, but there are no landings), there will be no sense. And it is naive to believe that the president does not know this. or does not want ". And in war, as in war. Not you so you.
    1. +1
      15 June 2013 00: 12
      Quote: s.melioxin
      there are defendants and there are no landings),

      And there are landings, take an interest. Today, every fifth of the prisoners is an official!
      1. lucidlook
        0
        15 June 2013 14: 47
        It’s time to introduce the official position of Deputy Vice President by analogy with the Deputy Chairman lol
  27. Dawn
    -2
    14 June 2013 17: 35
    So his oligarchic elite with the CIA and created.
  28. Dawn
    -1
    14 June 2013 17: 37
    So his oligarchic elite with the CIA and created.
  29. +1
    14 June 2013 17: 39
    slav4ikus EN
    King makes retinue

    Agree with you. I think that a crystal honest person will never make his way to the throne. In order to get there, this retinue needs to play along at some stage, otherwise this entourage will not allow them to come to power. Well, then, over time, the true purpose of this "campaign" into power will be visible.
    1. ded10041948
      +3
      14 June 2013 18: 33
      Something all this reminds me of the option: "Here comes the master, the master will judge us!"
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      15 June 2013 15: 46
      And under Stalin, how much for fear, and how much for conscience?
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  31. 0
    14 June 2013 17: 50
    Quote: slav4ikus
    King makes retinue

    And who does the retinue?
    Any king (if desired) will disperse the retinue and pick up a new one. It would be a desire.
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 18: 02
      So it seems that the ice has already broken ...
    2. 0
      14 June 2013 19: 16
      If suites allow.
    3. 0
      15 June 2013 01: 46
      Quote: Sour
      Any king (if desired) will disperse the retinue and pick up a new one.

      Familiar with kings?)).
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  33. pavlo007
    +2
    14 June 2013 18: 59
    The article is another attack of senility a la Prokhanov.
    Putin is the core of the thieves' system, and therefore the main thief. They punish only those who take out of the common fund not according to the ranking. In the gangster world, for example, they do the same - discipline is needed, without it you can’t rob a country productively.
    It’s interesting when those voting for PU (except for the cops and warriors - they understand, they are like six bulls at the godfather, now they are unfastened from the common fund for 200-300 thousand rubles, so that conscience would not interfere with the people if something happens) at least understand and realize that they are nothing more than plankton for Putin and the company ... It’s true that children will pay the bills of the parent's idiots, so there will be no grandchildren anymore - 20-30 million Aboriginal people will be enough to carry out pipe maintenance.
    Alas, while Putin is alive, our perspective is Upper Volta, but, alas, without missiles ...
    1. sergey261180
      0
      14 June 2013 21: 37
      200-300 thousand rubles each
      Where is that ?!
      1. fisherman
        0
        15 June 2013 01: 43
        the person was not going to enter into a discussion, he does not need dialogue and arguments, emotions are important to him :)
  34. +3
    14 June 2013 19: 14
    Does Putin not see the dirt pouring down on him from his odious environment?
  35. +1
    14 June 2013 19: 22
    fresh straight:

    Supreme court: getting money for professional duties is not a bribe
    The Supreme Court clarified the concept of "bribe" Receiving money for the performance of professional skills cannot be considered a bribe, says the draft resolution of the plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation on bribery and corruption crimes. - This explanation is quite logical. However, this will complicate the activities of law enforcement agencies, since they will have to more thoroughly prove not only the very fact of the transfer of funds, but also the fact that these funds were transferred in connection with the occupation of a certain position, and not in connection with part-time work of specialists, - explained to Izvestia lawyer, partner of the Moscow Bar Association "Legis Group" Vladislav Kocherin. The difference lies in official and professional credentials. If a patient who is attached to this clinic comes to a doctor, and the doctor refuses to serve him without money, this is a bribe, the lawyer gave an example. And if a patient comes "from the outside" and asks for help in private, then this is not a bribe. - Previously, the authorities were ...

    further is better:
    The Supreme Court clarified the definition of bribe in Russian law. A meeting on this subject takes place in the armed forces on June 13.

    In particular, officials should not be punished for bribery if law enforcement agencies intentionally provoked them to a crime. This method of work is contrary to the law "On the operational-search activity."

    In addition, the draft resolution said that only receiving money or services for actions related to the exercise of power, organizational, administrative or administrative activities should be considered a bribe. Receiving money or services for the implementation of professional skills (for example, for treating a patient) is not a bribe.

    In addition, the document proposes to judge officials taking the so-called “kickbacks”, not only by the article “receiving a bribe”, but also by the article “embezzlement”. However, this should only happen if the cost of the state contract was overstated (that is, the executing businessman formally gave the "extra" money to the budget, and the official took it from there). If the cost was not inflated (that is, the businessman formally gave his personal money to the official), only the article “receiving a bribe” will be present in the criminal case.

    The Supreme Court also ruled that the qualification “taking a bribe by an organized group” should be applied even if only one of the participants in the crime was in the civil service.

    Finally, people who have lent money to the bribe giver, knowing that they will go to the bribe, are invited to consider as an accomplice in the article “giving a bribe”.

    By whose statement or order, the Supreme Court decided to clarify anti-corruption legislation, is not reported.

    took a bait: http://www.newsfiber.com/p/s/h?v=EXh6wWGeJrEk=+eoSbOZ8v3to=&y=
  36. +2
    14 June 2013 19: 27
    It's funny to listen - all this thieves' bureaucratic "elite" is Putin's entourage. And the closer "to the body", the more thieving. Is Putin a saint? Ust-Luga port is one of his enterprises: grandiose construction, huge investments. Therefore, such ur ... ladies as Serdyukov will not be anything - he is a henchman of the Putin clique.
    Yeltsin removed from the Criminal Code such a concept as "confiscation of what was stolen" - hence all the troubles.
    Under such conditions, fighting corruption and embezzlement is a meaningless exercise.
    In my opinion, the majority of Russians understand this very well - hence the general "do not care"!
    Start the war now - no one will defend such a homeland ...
    1. +2
      15 June 2013 01: 56
      Quote: Leader
      Start the war now - no one will defend such a homeland ...

      The hopes of young men feed ...
      Hopes of the Anglo-Saxons rod ...
  37. +2
    14 June 2013 19: 27
    It's funny to listen - all this thieves' bureaucratic "elite" is Putin's entourage. And the closer "to the body", the more thieving. Is Putin a saint? Ust-Luga port is one of his enterprises: grandiose construction, huge investments. Therefore, such ur ... ladies as Serdyukov will not be anything - he is a henchman of the Putin clique.
    Yeltsin removed from the Criminal Code such a concept as "confiscation of what was stolen" - hence all the troubles.
    Under such conditions, fighting corruption and embezzlement is a meaningless exercise.
    In my opinion, the majority of Russians understand this very well - hence the general "do not care"!
    Start the war now - no one will defend such a homeland ...
  38. +1
    14 June 2013 19: 41
    Under Stalin, there was much less corruption, and much more was given for it, regardless of rank and merit. When General Kryukov brought from Germany a couple of wagons of unearned trophies, he was stripped of his rank and awards and sent to camps for 25 years plus 5 "on the horns". True, later, under Khrushche, at the suggestion of Zhukov, he was rehabilitated as "innocently repressed", but the grabbed was not returned. And several generals were shot.
    And under Andropov, corruption was well-groomed, including at the highest level (Shchelokov - Minister of the Interior, Medunov - 1st Secretary of the Regional Committee and a member of the Central Committee, Rashidov - 1st Secretary of the Central Committee of Uzbekistan, and a whole bunch of thieves with lower ranks).
    But in order to start such a fight against corruption, Putin will have to re-open the shooting guns (most likely not all were sent for re-melting or sold cheaply to America). And most importantly, to find someone who can, as the English words aptly put it, fill the shoes (to fill shoes, in the sense of adequately replacing) comrade. Beria. Well, or at least Comrade. Chebrikova.
  39. 0
    14 June 2013 19: 41
    Under Stalin, there was much less corruption, and much more was given for it, regardless of rank and merit. When General Kryukov brought from Germany a couple of wagons of unearned trophies, he was stripped of his rank and awards and sent to camps for 25 years plus 5 "on the horns". True, later, under Khrushche, at the suggestion of Zhukov, he was rehabilitated as "innocently repressed", but the grabbed was not returned. And several generals were shot.
    And under Andropov, corruption was well-groomed, including at the highest level (Shchelokov - Minister of the Interior, Medunov - 1st Secretary of the Regional Committee and a member of the Central Committee, Rashidov - 1st Secretary of the Central Committee of Uzbekistan, and a whole bunch of thieves with lower ranks).
    But in order to start such a fight against corruption, Putin will have to re-open the shooting guns (most likely not all were sent for re-melting or sold cheaply to America). And most importantly, to find someone who can, as the English words aptly put it, fill the shoes (to fill shoes, in the sense of adequately replacing) comrade. Beria. Well, or at least Comrade. Chebrikova.
  40. +8
    14 June 2013 19: 54
    I put a minus to the article. Well, what kind of fight against corruption can we talk about? If the "redhead" walks gogol, the "stooltkin" can generally become a "victim, deceived" party, and "people's choices" can become multimillionaires through one. Prosecutors covered these gambling houses (by the way, how did it end there? - Surely nothing!) And at the security enterprise Zvezdochka, in a secret shop, two "left Objects" suddenly appeared. Well, what can we talk about? I list what is heard: Skolkovo, Olympic facilities, Glonass, Oboronservis. And then suddenly the most corrupt villain Navalny! Atu him! To the question "and who are the judges" - here is and look at our Themis, so her rastak!
  41. Avenger711
    +2
    14 June 2013 19: 55
    Plant, shoot.
  42. pinecone
    0
    14 June 2013 20: 54
    There is practically no one to put things in order. The entire system of government is corrupt, from top to bottom, both vertically and horizontally, including courts, law enforcement agencies, "power structures", etc.
    In this regard, the experience of Italy is very indicative, where in 1992 an anti-corruption campaign called "Clean Hands" was launched, during which hundreds of government officials, politicians and businessmen suspected of breaking the law were arrested and brought to trial. However, after numerous facts of direct participation in all kinds of abuses by the highest officials of the state began to emerge in the course of the investigative and judicial proceedings, the campaign stopped.
  43. lexe
    0
    14 June 2013 21: 04
    It’s too simple to put bribe takers to the wall. Let’s recall how debts were knocked out in the 90s.
    We will consider the entire volume of bribes to be a credit to the people. We must repay the loan. First, declare it, take part of the surplus and oblige it to work honestly in our position or with a reduction of 10-20 years of work without a single penalty and with accelerated fulfillment of all plans. I have not fulfilled the plan. .. well then you and the road ... to the mine. And this applies only to the junior-middle link. Just because there are still a lot of people with families in today's link - the bureaucratic apparatus is inflated. And the system of controlling the accounting of expenses through there are credit cards in the world — you need a total non-cash and a tight database security system. Of course, non-cash fraught with 100 rubles you can’t put a child in ice cream. But someday corruption will kill us.
  44. sergey261180
    0
    14 June 2013 21: 46
    Their tasks radically diverge from those declared by Putin

    As in a bad collective farm: either the bull is tired, then x did not get up. laughing
  45. Alf
    +3
    14 June 2013 22: 14
    Quote: Stock Captain
    If the fight against corruption is real, it is necessary to shoot for bribes in China.

    It's not gonna go. Firstly, there will not be enough cartridges, and secondly (cartridges can be bought in China, horseradish, but many) we will remain without officials.
    I suggest the third way, the stealing bureaucrat, not to shoot and not to plant, but simply to confiscate the stolen one time, another, third. Maybe after the third confiscation, he will wash that it’s not necessary, they will take everything away anyway. Only it is necessary to confiscate not only from him, but also from his wife, granddaughter, bugs.
    1. sergey261180
      +1
      14 June 2013 22: 37
      Confiscators will get tired hands laughing
    2. lexe
      0
      14 June 2013 23: 10
      confiscate stolen-time, another, third.

      Why do we need such a whirlpool in nature laughing
      Amnesty and up to the 2nd time. But first squeeze out his wife and granddaughter. laughing - so that I will not be angry. And citizens work under total control and with full dedication.
  46. soldier's grandson
    +1
    14 June 2013 22: 45
    who didn’t manage to sleep is not a corruptionist, but who managed to take it for an ass and who shared it is as if guilty but he is not guilty
  47. soldier's grandson
    0
    14 June 2013 22: 47
    everyone needs to be like that then everyone will be happy
  48. 0
    14 June 2013 22: 54
    We have a tsar, Vladimir alone, a little sunshine ... around the woof ... but it’s swimming, corruption, the bureaucrat is homeless, and he is fighting with them alone, there is a lot of window dressing, efficiency (real exhaust from this) = 0. Recently, our Krasnodar was shown on state channels , they told me about how much homelessness is going on in illegal housing, the whole city was built up with shit .... they are building an illegally healthy house of 5-7 floors on the site of a purchased private house, and then they transfer it from the illegal building to a legal one, nonsense ... through court perhaps? and perhaps very simply ... everyone knows ... the administration loot is charged, they allocate 100 administration apartments from their housing stock .... is it not enough? people can throw a bunch of such bright ideas where and with whom to fight, because they have already been stolen so much that they are not afraid of anything, and Putin’s messages about fighting corruption, in my opinion, encourage them to steal even more
  49. +1
    15 June 2013 00: 55
    Quote: w.ebdo.g
    It's time to start acting ... apparently next year everything will begin.


    And so every year this phrase is heard again
  50. ded10041948
    +2
    15 June 2013 01: 05
    Until they restore the laws of the USSR (confiscation, capital punishment, etc.) there will be no sense! The Duma, officials and other scum very carefully hedged, adopting laws to protect themselves, loved ones. And it is necessary to repeal the law of Khrushchev on the jurisdiction of the top.
  51. +1
    15 June 2013 01: 10
    From the article: “THE CHANGE OF ELITES MUST BE CARRIED OUT CAREFULLY...” - but how can they manage to pass on the experience!
  52. fisherman
    0
    15 June 2013 01: 52
    This article appeared on the Internet a couple of days before...

    "I remembered that adults also come to the forum - that is, I remembered that you need to not only joke and then explain, but also simply explain)

    for those who want to find out once and for all who is the driving force of the historical process - I will give two simple examples from our life (with the opportunity to put money in practice))))))00 just kidding - I mean - check the forecast in practice...

    Soviet years old - a miracle popularly nicknamed (in general, he had a lot of rattles) comes to power as a “failed tractor driver” (by the way, a truly brilliant nickname - right to the root) and says to the people - listen here, gray stupid masses - I will lead you, O foolish herd, into the bright they gave - in general - you stupid little people - now you stop drinking alcoholic drinks - it’s harmful and I’m saddened in the morning)

    My God, I remember it right now - the people, as a sign of agreement and it was unclear where the excitement had come from, began to nod their heads furiously, I thought the tower would be completely demolished)) 00 how the people rejoiced - after all, the new Messiah really opened the eyes of the people to their own deeply hidden aspirations - suffered through centuries of alcoholic hangover - and now He came - the joy of the people - the Prophet - the great inseminator of the Central Russian plain)

    By the way, I’m not joking)))))))))0000000I was just studying at school - I really remembered this flaring Hope... this miracle also thought that he really was a Creative Nature - and not just another fitting suit... and this wedding general and I traveled around the regions and attended weddings... and I saw everything myself... as did I, by the way - they’re just adults, they only think - that they want, for example, to stop drinking - and at these non-alcoholic weddings they poured each other “tea” from coffee pots...or under the table...or in the corridor...the funniest thing is that for some time they continued to verbally support this glorious tractor driver...well, then he was left alone...one more moment - from a possible future - if someday our country will stop grunting so much - then maybe it will turn out that the laurels of the people's sobering-up center will go to him - and not to the inseminator - who will be in Rus' at that moment - well, like - as the initiator... aaah if not for him... Our people are so mysterious - they can’t come up with anything....go try and guess - they can so happily agree - that sometimes it’s better to immediately abandon the next heavenly idea))))000

    so it turns out that the people allow any chosen creator to be a subject within one strictly designated cell... so that he does not think about his abilities... a cell is not only a geographical area - take any aspect of power (also a separate cell ) and analyze the stated with the actual... let's take for example not the fight for GOOD (for a future without general alcoholism) but the fight against EVIL... well, the same corruption - 07 - Uncle Putin is still the current president - began the 539628th battle against corruption if you count from the birth of Christ) and the 3854th since the time of the unforgettable Kalita... I would like to add that the State Duma... Account Chamber... United Russia - not only supported the president - but also tried to snatch a considerable piece of glory from him (that is, they asked for the first ranks of the fighters against the enta hydra, damn it

    Tell me more?..ah I see what is needed
    "
  53. fisherman
    +1
    15 June 2013 01: 52
    "... so it turned out that the river of existence flows only where the goals (hots) of both the horse and the rider completely coincide... okay, if he bucked, but what if the horse bucked?.. that is, we will move only to where there is nothing hidden nor open sabotage on the part of the people - truly Creative Nature... until the Soil is ready for this, nothing useful will grow - even if everyone around me frantically nods their heads in agreement... that is, not 3 dashes 5 years - but give God 30 dash 50 years old... I’ll be glad to be wrong - yes, I know my people... it’s really possible to suppress this trash - for a while - it will only be a local success - but thoroughly cleanse the collective unconscious - so much so that at least for a hundred years Enough is enough - it’s wow how many years and efforts it takes...

    By the way, in this example, a funny situation is also possible - if we - let's say optimistically - in 20 years from now we become Scandinavians (in relation to this particular aspect - corruption), then it is quite possible that it will be the inseminator who will at that moment adorn the butt...sorry - decorate the reigning throne - and they will be called the tamer of corruption... well, what if?) After all, it was during his reign that this heyday of non-covetousness occurred... Well, the current rulers have only one thing left - the classic - to continue to fornicate - that is, either to contribute to the emergence of this bright beginning or laying a future mine...after all, the people can determine their actions as the beginning of the fight against evil and the promotion of evil...our people are so flighty, to be honest)

    The soil only says (blah blah) that it is tired of corruption... in the Soviet years, even 10-14 year old children talked about unprecedented happiness in the form of prohibition (learners and teachers did their large-scale work) so what?.. so about corruption the salt of the earth hasn’t soaked in well - so much so that in all families they only talk about it, moreover - they only think about it - this should take over the whole society and not for a couple of days, but for all the coming years... this - only this - and not where to go this coming weekend...what movie to watch and which tablet is better to upload topographic maps to?..by the way - which one?)

    There are, of course, methods of local success - and the so-called leaders often use them - and we all know about them - as about tightening the screws - the main thing here is not to overpopulate - otherwise the people will laugh at best))0000 and on the other hand, if you really press hard - you yourself the rider may fall out of the cage - it does not correspond to the image - and the love of the people is such a mysterious thing... little studied... Scylla and Charybdis...

    but the most interesting conversation is about Metaphysics... that is, not about specific cells - but about open systems... this is where Poetry begins - one devil famously said - “The events of history do not repeat themselves - they rhyme” (M. Twain)
    "
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 15: 21
      Fisherman, your high syllable was struck into the very abyss of the soul, so much so that I did not see the unambiguous (one-dimensional, linear) meaning. Article +, you +++.
  54. +2
    15 June 2013 11: 40
    The fight against corruption is as old as corruption itself. Countermeasures and methods have been developed a long time ago http://www.sudanet.ru/node/30
    Simple word и deal- these are completely different things. A word, at best, is a declaration of intent, but deed implies action. in the right direction to get the desired result. The latter is not observed.
  55. -1
    15 June 2013 11: 54
    There is a very simple way to solve the problem: special operational-investigative-judicial groups are created, which report only to the president. A law is issued on monetary incentives for citizens who report facts of corruption to this committee. Then there is an operational setup and a trial, with the confiscation of all the property of the criminal and his closest family members. Well, and most importantly, a temporary law in force on behalf of the president, for these actions. And no regional or small-town groups, and one centralized group, wandering all over Russia. It will work!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      0
      15 June 2013 15: 58
      1000 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  56. -1
    15 June 2013 12: 01
    Quote: fisherman
    "... so it turned out that the river of existence flows only where the goals (hots) of both the horse and the rider completely coincide... okay, if he bucked, but what if the horse bucked?.. that is, we will move only to where there is nothing hidden nor open sabotage on the part of the people - truly Creative Nature... until the Soil is ready for this, nothing useful will grow - even if everyone around me frantically nods their heads in agreement... that is, not 3 dashes 5 years - but give God 30 dash 50 years old... I’ll be glad to be wrong - yes, I know my people... it’s really possible to suppress this trash - for a while - it will only be a local success - but thoroughly cleanse the collective unconscious - so much so that at least for a hundred years Enough is enough - it’s wow how many years and efforts it takes...

    By the way, in this example, a funny situation is also possible - if we - let's say optimistically - in 20 years from now we become Scandinavians (in relation to this particular aspect - corruption), then it is quite possible that it will be the inseminator who will at that moment adorn the butt...sorry - decorate the reigning throne - and they will be called the tamer of corruption... well, what if?) After all, it was during his reign that this heyday of non-covetousness occurred... Well, the current rulers have only one thing left - the classic - to continue to fornicate - that is, either to contribute to the emergence of this bright beginning or laying a future mine...after all, the people can determine their actions as the beginning of the fight against evil and the promotion of evil...our people are so flighty, to be honest)

    The soil only says (blah blah) that it is tired of corruption... in the Soviet years, even 10-14 year old children talked about unprecedented happiness in the form of prohibition (learners and teachers did their large-scale work) so what?.. so about corruption the salt of the earth hasn’t soaked in well - so much so that in all families they only talk about it, moreover - they only think about it - this should take over the whole society and not for a couple of days, but for all the coming years... this - only this - and not where to go this coming weekend...what movie to watch and which tablet is better to upload topographic maps to?..by the way - which one?)

    There are, of course, methods of local success - and the so-called leaders often use them - and we all know about them - as about tightening the screws - the main thing here is not to overpopulate - otherwise the people will laugh at best))0000 and on the other hand, if you really press hard - you yourself the rider may fall out of the cage - it does not correspond to the image - and the love of the people is such a mysterious thing... little studied... Scylla and Charybdis...

    but the most interesting conversation is about Metaphysics... that is, not about specific cells - but about open systems... this is where Poetry begins - one devil famously said - “The events of history do not repeat themselves - they rhyme” (M. Twain)
    "

    A VERBALER who convinces himself :) and is proud of his writing.
  57. +3
    15 June 2013 12: 27
    It seems that by squeezing out the old elite of the 90s, Putin and his team raised a new one, even more mercantile and corrupt. This will be the case every time, the so-called “elite” is always focused on benefits: there is access to special means and services - the elite works. But natural greed awakens an insatiable appetite for more and more new sizes and tools of enrichment. This is how corruption goes from under the carpet onto the high road.
    The situation, and indeed the cycle of changing elites (some parasites by others), can only be broken by forming a team of ideological and, may the liberals forgive me for the simplicity of the wording, patriotic ones. It remains to find a million such fearless immortals....
  58. Mr. Truth
    +1
    15 June 2013 12: 33
    Nothing except these phrases:
    “Shoot and hang like dogs”, “There are so many bastards. I would shoot, but a bastard and an asshole, this is not a criminal offense, there is no article” does not arise in the head from such information.
  59. Svyatoslav72
    +2
    15 June 2013 12: 41
    Putin created this system, he himself is from this system, but he defended this system. A! why fight it?
    The management model in the Russian Federation itself is corrupt and oligarchic. Everyone has their own feeding trough and their own “feudal fiefdom”, on which everyone fools around as they please.
    If the Authority does not want to create anything, it simply consumes resources for its own pleasure, squandering potential.
    It's actually simple. There is a problem, there is a solution. There is activity, there is result. There are tasks and goals, there are methods for their implementation and achievement.
    What could be the problem? Only in the unwillingness to change anything.
  60. lilit.193
    +3
    15 June 2013 13: 06
    The stealing elite is a threat to Russia, not to Putin. For Putin, this is his team and his nominees. And they go in the same harness.
  61. +1
    15 June 2013 13: 22
    And finally bring all these “Vasily Pupkins” with big bellies, on which jackets do not fit, into the open...

    Whoever sits in the Investigative Committee is the same Vasya Pupkin. They will not raise a hand against their brother by official blood.
  62. lucidlook
    +1
    15 June 2013 14: 42
    Yeah, and now Putin is like that - a knight in shining armor, striking with the sword of justice (ahem) the rotten hydra of corruption, betrayal and compatriotism! good
    Just... remind me, please, who fed this hydra? Who diligently grew and strengthened the vertical of power? The same one in which these same traitors, embezzlers and corrupt officials now function so well, in which their number has doubled in 10 years? After all, they didn’t appear in it yesterday... and not the day before yesterday.

    You see, Putin does not give up his people. Doesn't give up. And if so, then all handshakes can feel at least in relative peace. And further down the chain, vertically. Well, it’s banal and simple, there’s no need to be clever here.

    You can give an example - if Serdyukov goes to jail, I will eat my hat.
  63. +1
    15 June 2013 14: 53
    As they say: the fish rots from the head...
    It is impossible to completely defeat corruption, but it can be significantly reduced by tightening penalties for these crimes.
  64. SASCHAmIXEEW
    +2
    15 June 2013 16: 09
    VANGA'S prophecy: IN RUSSIA there will be a ruler who will bring RUSSIA to first place in the world and his name will be Vladimir and he will be undeservedly convicted and he graduated from the Suvorov School.. Apparently it turns out KVACHKOV!!! That's who you need to vote for!!!!
  65. stroporez
    +1
    16 June 2013 10: 58
    Vovochka’s buddies plundered the budget of the Olympics. And Vovochka, instead of giving his buddies a good shake, went to the pension fund for money. this is the "fight against corruption"!!????? Show people a show on the topic of fighting corruption. The direction of education reform becomes clear ---- to show the view that this show will be enough. Thanks to Comrade Putin for our, well, very not boring life............
  66. soldier's grandson
    +2
    16 June 2013 15: 45
    Quote: fisherman
    "Thousands of people are thinking about how to improve laws, and millions of people are thinking about how to get around them" (V. Putin)

    in order for millions of ordinary people to survive, laws must be circumvented
    1. lucidlook
      +1
      16 June 2013 17: 26
      "thousands of people are thinking about how to improve laws IN YOUR FAVOR, and millions of people are thinking about how to get around them"

      Yes, yes, I will believe it.
      1. soldier's grandson
        0
        16 June 2013 18: 00
        the way it is