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On the substitution of concepts and haste in judgments

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Listen to yourself and absolutely sincerely admit that you would say in a contemptuous and offensive tone to a person’s words about your country, using words like “Rassiyaniya”, “Rashka” or you spoke about Russia as a country of stupid and imbeciles. It seems to me that for most of the visitors to the VO website this would definitely have a negative reaction, and some would not even use the count on which they would be willing to be seated.


Or tell me what is your attitude to this kind of situation; lived-lived a married couple - husband and wife - as it should be. And they had their own pleasant secret - the wife was carrying a child. They waited for him with impatience and love. But it so happened that a razluchnik-villain ran across the road and do not say, guys, that this does not happen in life. There are situations and pohlesche. So - this divorced runner crossed the road to the young couple and stole her husband from the young wife. Grieved left pullet, but decided to leave the child ie - give birth. She gave birth, began to bring up and raise a child ... It seems that everything entered into the usual rut, and the pain of separation was somewhat dulled. Father (I must pay tribute) showed some participation in fate. That flowers will give, then congratulate by phone. In general, according to his concepts, the parental debt respected. The child grew up, began to ask questions about his father, and it became necessary to somehow clarify this situation to him, without hurting, if possible, the psyche of the child. It was agreed that the child will celebrate some birthdays in the new family of the father. And on one of these birthdays, a child with a joyful mood came to visit his father, and he, as a sin, was late for some reason. The child calls, the door is opened by his dad's new wife and to her question “What came?”, He sincerely replied that he has a joyful day today - his birthday, and he, according to the established tradition, came to visit dad. And hears in response, "I did not give birth to you! Here comes your father, then come! ”Your reaction, guys? I think that normal men are unlikely to find words that do not border on mats to describe this lady, or simply obmaterit.

But about the same thing, guys, we happened yesterday on the branch about the holiday dedicated to the DAY OF RUSSIA. NOT THE DAY OF INDEPENDENCE, but (I repeat) - THE DAY OF RUSSIA!

It all started with the fact that one of the members of the forum, himself, apparently, not wanting, replaced the concept, saying that he was not going to celebrate the date of the destruction of his country - the USSR. Guys, whether we want or do not want this, but the USSR as a state entity has not existed for two decades and continue to grieve day after day about this right of everyone who cannot continue to live without it. But one should not, on this basis, speculate and throw mud at everything that is happening in the country now. This can in no way serve to consolidate and improve society. Why then the words about love for the Motherland, about contempt for those who interfere with the normal development of the country, for those who are trying to decompose our moral people and eradicate the feeling of patriotism? It turns out that everything, loudly stated about the feeling of patriotism and all those denunciations of those who were busy with provocateurs and trolls, lousy Russia - all of this - in the mood? Are your comments resulting from SUBSTITUTE CONCEPTS, are not the favorable environment in which comments immediately appear with the use of the words Scattering, Raska and other gems, provocateurs, who gladly warm the slightest signs of contradictions.

Juggling of the type “You yourself offered to conduct a survey” (which is absolutely untrue, works according to the principle “I myself was fool.” And is designed for the gullible and not always persistent forumchanin in his search. in your comments about your patriotism and love for Russia, deny this very Motherland her wishes for prosperity and success, and go into the field of nostalgia, lamentations and searches for those guilty of the disappearance of the political concept of the USSR? I do not believe in what happened some kind trouble, some kind of epidemic hit, and all at once became stupid. In principle, an ordinary phenomenon occurred, and on the crest of emotions people left from one concept to discussing another. Guys, you are wasting your time. There are still very, very many opportunities for you to look for the guilty in the collapse of the Union, wash them bones, damn and betray them anathema. Fortunately, articles with such orientation appear with enviable regularity.

I finish and want to once again turn to you guys! Be careful, do not rush to render your verdicts based on superficial judgments and an abundance of negative ratings. Think YOUR head and do not forget that all that is negative that you are pouring onto your TODAY's country is eagerly savored by those who hypocritically sympathizing and warming up your negative emotions and not always restrained comments and kindled with impartiality and participation kindle on the forum threads squabbles recrimination.

We live in this country, boys, grow our children, rejoice in our grandchildren, and we should not destroy the positive things that are planned in our life. We need to treat each other with respect and with no less respect for our country, which we call - Motherland and Russia. And thank God that the forum did not hesitate to say those who were not afraid of the minuses of the negative rating and defended their position that the holiday DAY OF RUSSIA, this is not a copy of the Independence Day in the USA, which has been distributed all over the world.

Successes to us all, guys, and mutual respect!

Sincerely, ESAUL

Written by 12.06.2013, by coming from work, and because of the many comments that were seen
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  1. Orel
    Orel 14 June 2013 06: 25 New
    10
    Listen to yourself and absolutely sincerely admit that you would say in response to a person’s words about your country in a contemptuous and insulting tone, using words such as “Radiance”, “Raska” or speak of Russia as a country of dumbheads and half-wits.


    I would not say, I would hit ... It hurts ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 June 2013 06: 30 New
      +6
      Rules of this forum >>
      The site is strictly prohibited:
      b) inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, india, Jew, USA, Bulbash, Talaponet, chock, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, Raska (general mention of Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech;

      What is there to discuss? This is the function of moderators.
      1. Interface
        Interface 14 June 2013 11: 38 New
        +1
        The amendment is the function of a citizen of the Russian Federation who respects, if not others, then at least himself personally. When I see the word "" on the Internet, I sincerely feel a sense of disgust for Russians, and not only Russians, for all people who write pejoratively about the USSR and the Russian Federation, this is already irrevocable "material", "", no matter how sad it is. These are the dregs of society in the future. Only when they become, they will not be able to change anything.
        1. MG42
          MG42 14 June 2013 12: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Interface
          Amendment, this is the function of a citizen of the Russian Federation, respecting, if not others, then at least personally.

          I don’t have the function to delete someone else’s comments and I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation. Somewhere more somewhere somewhere less distort the names of countries. Here on the forum a little.
    2. esaul
      14 June 2013 06: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Orel
      I would not say, I would hit ... It hurts ...

      Greetings, Eagle and thank you for the first response hi Thank. Specially awaited the appearance of the article and stuck with work. I guess How many minuses will fall, guys, but once again I want to express my position to you You can’t treat your mother badly just because she didn’t get along with her father. Mother is mother. And she must be treated appropriately, regardless of whether she is in a modest dress or in a ball gown. Somewhat (maybe extremely) figuratively, but - from the bottom of my heart, guys. I don’t press on a tear, as some people like to say, but I think that it’s important to reach people's hearts. Good luck everyone. Until.
      Sincerely. Valery. drinks
      1. Orel
        Orel 14 June 2013 06: 55 New
        17
        I actually do not consider June 12 a holiday, since for me it is the day of the collapse of the big country in which I was born. But I love Russia and I am ready to protect it from all enemies, external and internal. Here I am so controversial. Just Russia Day, one could make say Constitution Day. This would be clearer, and not the day of the adoption of the declaration of independence of the RSFSR from the head, from the feet, from the hands, from the heart, from common sense, from half of the country that has been collected, mastered for centuries, for which many generations of our ancestors have been dying and building.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 14 June 2013 16: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Orel
          I actually do not consider June 12 a holiday, since for me it is the day of the collapse of the big country in which I was born. But I love Russia and I am ready to protect it from all enemies, external and internal.

          I don’t consider the New Year a holiday, but this is not a reason to spoil the good mood of others.
          Quote: Orel
          from half of the country that they’ve been collecting, mastering over the centuries, for which many generations of our ancestors have been dying and building for.

          And this country is Russia, which existed for centuries, and not the USSR, which existed for 70 years. I think the USSR is the wrong name, because it does not have the word Russia.
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      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 07: 57 New
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        Even I did not understand anything at all, if I do not celebrate this "holiday", which not long ago was called the day (delirium) of Russia's independence. I do not want to celebrate it and will not. What substitutions and what concepts are you talking about Valera? There are small children sitting on the website who need to chew everything, everyone has grown up and everyone has their own point of view.
        Quote: esaul
        You can’t treat your mother badly only because she did not get along with her father

        A good production, or maybe the father did not get along with his mother, and what does the family have to do with it ??? It is about our country and people expressed their attitude.
        Valera AU, far away, before the election.
        And the name of June 12 was not invented by yesterday's commentators, and it was not they who changed the name of the "holiday"! So who is manipulating the concepts of website visitors or officials changing names, how and when they benefit?
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 08: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Then there are small children sitting on the site,


          He is about those Alexander who DO NOT SIT, but are not visible. (just reading) We do not know about them. But they are.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            He is about those Alexander who DO NOT SIT, but are not visible. (just read)

            The article clearly says that for those who spoke negatively in their comments or you do not know how to read?
            Who and what thinks of those who do not write anything, no one knows and writing for them does not make sense. -This is nonsense
            1. nickname 1 and 2
              nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 10: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Who and what thinks of those who do not write anything, no one knows and writing for them does not make sense. -This is nonsense


              I have a different opinion.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 12: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: nick 1 and 2

                I have a different opinion.

                I will look at your comments when you type the rating you are chasing.
                And once again we read the article ..But about the same thing, guys, we happened yesterday on a branch about a holiday dedicated to RUSSIAN DAY. Not THE DAY OF INDEPENDENCE, but (I repeat) - THE DAY OF RUSSIA! Do you know how to read and understand whom and what is written? Esaul himself will come and will answer you for whom and what he wrote, if you yourself can not before milking.
                1. nickname 1 and 2
                  nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 12: 18 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov

                  I will look at your comments when you type the rating you are chasing.

                  What are you speaking about? About the rating?
                  Maybe this is a job for you? or something else?

                  And for me it’s simple - the high pressure because of which, there is no way to do business.

                  You are 37 and you still have time to understand that people who are older than you do not need to offend unnecessarily!
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Do you know how to read and understand whom and what is written?

                  Well, you don’t understand everything that is written to you.
      4. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 14 June 2013 08: 32 New
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        Quote: esaul
        Quote: Orel I would not say, I would hit ... It hurts ... Greetings, Eagle and thank you for the first response Thank you

        Ah, Valery, Valery ...
        The article itself was called "... and haste in judging.", And you yourself, rejoice, such a reaction ...
        Always looking for some kind of provocateurs, trolls ... Remember, your "colleague", now sunk into oblivion - three-volt. To have such an ally and "patriot" who SPECIALLY did not want to write competently in Russian and always "bullied" everyone - to have such an ally, and there is no need for enemies ...
        Quote: Normal
        Having indicated the problem in the title, you immediately replace the concepts yourself. And here lonely mothers are homemakers and unhappy kids. Direct kindergarten and an attempt to play on the most sacred, on love and pity for children

        I agree with the "Normal"
        And here with you : "We need to respect each other and with no less respect for our country, which we call - Motherland and Russia."
        1. esaul
          14 June 2013 20: 00 New
          +1
          Anton, welcome. hi Believe me, it’s a pleasure to read such comments - both correctly and sensibly. Thank. hi
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      5. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 08: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: esaul
        You can’t treat your mother badly only because she did not get along with her father.


        And to his father, too.

        \\\\\ Written on 12.66.2013, \\\\\

        Thanks ESAUL - sincerely it turned out and VERY true.
        1. esaul
          14 June 2013 20: 03 New
          +1
          nickname 1 and 2 (1) 
          Nikolay. I welcome hi Thanks for the support. Given this ratio of pros and cons, such support is worth a lot. thanks drinks
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      6. Arberes
        Arberes 14 June 2013 09: 29 New
        +8
        Dear Esaul, hello. I don’t have much interest in articles about all kinds of days and holidays not related to the Army and Navy, but still looked at yesterday’s thread!
        Honestly, I was surprised. Are you now making an unambiguous conclusion for yourself that the people of whom this holiday does not particularly touch, almost want their country evil?
        There is a generation on our site and I am in its ranks, whose memory very well remembers how and what we lived some 30 years ago! Can’t you take it and forget it like that?
        This is where the reaction to this day of "independence" comes from, by the way for me it is also an absolutely alien holiday, imposed on me from above. The new, younger, smarter and more advanced generation (otherwise it simply cannot be) takes this holiday for granted and probably it should be so, but we cannot!
        What now to erase us with an eraser?
        1. esaul
          14 June 2013 20: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Arberes
          Dear Esaul, hello

          Hello Arberes. hi You have stated your point of view, and that’s good. Thanks for the calm and judicious post. Thank you drinks
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 14 June 2013 20: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: esaul
            Thanks for the calm and judicious post.

            Mutually! hi
            I have always been a supporter of constructive dialogs. drinks
            Yes, I also noticed that with smart and calm people it is always interesting.
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      7. avt
        avt 14 June 2013 10: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        I don’t press on a tear, as some people like to say, but I think that it is important to reach people's hearts. Good luck everyone. Until.

        It is, of course, commendable, but how many years have we celebrated this “holiday?” But now? Maybe all the same in the holiday something to correct something so that people REALLY feel that this is a Holiday? And so, with all due respect to you, it's like nuts in an old joke, saying that you sell at cost and lower nuts, but I love rustling The meaning of the holiday should ALWAYS be so that the heart of most people sang from its mention, like May 9!
        1. esaul
          14 June 2013 19: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: avt
          Maybe all the same in the holiday, something to fix so that people REALLY feel that this is a Holiday?

          Greetings, colleague. hi Good offer. However, like the whole comment. Thank you for the correctness and friendliness.
          Honestly, I thought I would be bombarded with minuses, but I was pleasantly surprised that this did not happen.
          Good luck, colleague hi
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    3. SergeySK
      SergeySK 14 June 2013 06: 55 New
      +8
      Then what is the club of foreign ministers ??

      Why on earth should I pick out gentle phrases if I consider someone a deadly bandit, for example ???

      Do we have freedom of speech ??

      And trolls SHOULD be told that they are trolls! ! And if you cannot transfer "RASHKA" then you probably do not read anything other than VO !?

      Go to any Jewish information portal and read the comments of the visitors "RASHKA" for you will immediately become REDUCING TATTING!

      DO NOT TO HAIR OUR OPINION OR OUR STYLES OF STATEMENT! ! !
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 09: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: SergeySK
        Do we have freedom of speech ??


        But is freedom of expression of your thoughts?

        Quote: SergeySK
        Go to any Jewish information portal and read the comments


        Well, personally, I have been to some SUCH sites - and no longer go there!
        For this I respect, because here the rules of decency are still preserved.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 09: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: nick 1 and 2

          But is freedom of expression of your thoughts?

          And what do you write what is beneficial, and not what you think?
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 10: 42 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: nick 1 and 2

            But is freedom of expression of your thoughts?

            And what do you write what is beneficial, and not what you think?


            I WRITE "WITH A LOOK"! Those. taking into account who will read my thoughts. Moreover, the site rules oblige!
            A type of "checkmate-rewrite" is "in a personal" and even then - unworthy.

            Now I could give examples as I think!
            But this is not for everyone to see! This is embarrassing!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 12: 03 New
              +3
              Quote: nick 1 and 2

              I WRITE "WITH A LOOK!" Those. taking into account who will read my thoughts.

              Ohren, John 3 volts resting laughing I write that I think and I am not going to creep under everyone. Your words are gold, the rest is false !!!
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              But this is not for everyone to see! This is embarrassing!

              Then why are you even writing something? I am ashamed to write a lie, but truth is never ashamed!
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 13: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I am ashamed to write a lie, but truth is never ashamed!


                To write thoughts, to write the truth, to write - NOT A Nasty Word!

                ONE OF Jokes 40 years ago: Welder Vasya stands on the stairs and makes welding.
                Below is Petya and holds the stairs so that Vasya does not fall.
                Sparks from welding falling down fall Petya by the scruff of the neck.
                Petya says - quietly: Vasya, YOU ARE NOT RIGHT! fellow

                What words were there? Does everyone understand? But I didn’t swear!
            2. Normal
              Normal 14 June 2013 12: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Now I could give examples as I think!
              ......... This is a shame!
              Yes, aren't you ashamed SO think!? Eh ... And also an old man ... laughing
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 13: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                Quote: nick 1 and 2
                Now I could give examples as I think!
                ......... This is a shame!
                Yes, aren't you ashamed SO think!? Eh ... And also an old man ... laughing


                Thank! I love people with a sense of humor!
                1. Normal
                  Normal 14 June 2013 13: 28 New
                  +2
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2

                  Thank! I love people with a sense of humor!

                  Always welcome, come again! We are forever! ... laughing hi
    4. experienced
      experienced 14 June 2013 12: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Orel
      I would not say, I would hit ... It hurts ...

      You are caught on cheap provocations, and you are being fooled. This time, Esaul hit on sentimentality, a grown child, an evil stepmother ... Strongly !!! Well, the analogies are clear Father -SSSR, Mother-Unknown (or also the USSR, but he is masculine belay ) and who is the stepmother? In general, some inadequate analogue of history.
      For me, this is how a man lived (USSR) and didn’t bother, he ate normally, slept, worked and everyone knew that he was strong and it was better not to touch him, because there were oohals and tried to take him into slavery, but they raided him don't pamper. Well, at some point, different parts of the body began to whisper (different fairy tales) like you are the brain, you are the smartest, you are the strongest right hand, you work, and zapnitsa just craps and you feed her, well and others too. So the body parts quarreled among themselves and scattered into 15 separate stumps. Some stumps nafig nobody needs, others are gnawed by other people, part of the stumps among themselves for common bones and tendons to fight.
      And about the screams about "RUSSIAN DAY !!!!!" and not Independence Day, I want to say that the one who loves the Motherland for that it is good 365 days a year (if it is not a leap year), but Esaul's desire to arrange like the 8th of March when some once a year give flowers to his wife does not inspire me, love means you carry on your hands and together hand in hand all year round and without pathos! hi
  2. MG42
    MG42 14 June 2013 06: 47 New
    11
    Gorbachev should answer for the collapse of the USSR, unfortunately no one in power is initiating this process, as for the USSR, who found him just compare what was and what is now, and compare there is what they put plus or minus. If Russia began to really restore close ties with the former fraternal republics, there would be much less criticism. The CIS was created for a civilized divorce of countries, this structure does not justify itself. hi
  3. smel
    smel 14 June 2013 06: 49 New
    +9
    I will not evaluate, because I have an opinion on this issue. In some ways, it coincides with the opinion of the author, but in some it does not. I would add that a good mother knows how to caress, educate, help in the right things and undertakings, but also knows how to punitively and painfully punish misconduct, and sometimes punish for absolutely ... So this is our country, which I love and respect, unfortunately, she doesn’t just punish for misconduct, but doesn’t even want to evaluate the wrong actions of her children.
    1. esaul
      14 June 2013 20: 14 New
      0
      smel
      Paul, welcome. hi It's a strange thing - today I am happy to put pluses to my opponents. Apparently because the facets of human characters are opening up. So it turned out to get through. Thank you Good luck, Paul. hi
      1. smel
        smel 17 June 2013 20: 24 New
        0
        Thanks. Although in many ways, and more precisely in most cases, our opinions do not coincide, I am glad that in some issues we have found mutual understanding
  4. Normal
    Normal 14 June 2013 07: 04 New
    12
    Greetings, esaul. Mzhet you in something and are right but not in everything. Very far.
    Having indicated the problem in the title, you immediately replace the concepts yourself. And here lonely mothers are homemakers and unhappy kids. Right kindergarten and an attempt to play on the most sacred, on love and pity for children. Not good ... not right. Here is the place from the article:
    It turns out that everything loudly declared about the feeling of patriotism and all those denunciations of the cobbled-up provocateurs and trolls plodding Russia are all in the mood? Are your comments that have arisen as a result of the CHANGE OF CONCEPTS not a favorable environment in which comments immediately appear using the words Scattering, Raska and other pearls, provocateurs who gladly heat up the slightest signs of contradiction.
    I really, really didn't like it. In your opinion, it turns out that it is necessary to "keep the alignment even while kissing" In addition, based on your own substitution
    NOT THE DAY OF INDEPENDENCE, but (I repeat) - THE DAY OF RUSSIA!
    : You accuse people of Russian bawdyness, trollism and provocation. But Russia Day is celebrated on June 12 for what reason? That's right, regarding the adoption of the declaration of independence. About that and speech. Again, it is your responsibility as a moderator to delete posts with offensive derogatory names of Russia. Instead, charges.
    I will say this to myself; I did not write comments on that article, since I consider one of the main formal reasons for the collapse of the Union not to accept the declaration of independence of Russia, but Ukraine’s refusal to sign the Union Treaty.
    But somehow I do not consider the holiday of June 12th. Not on this day Russia found itself ... not on this day ....
    1. SergeySK
      SergeySK 14 June 2013 07: 18 New
      10
      Normal

      INDEPENDENCE DAY in itself carries an insulting connotation to former republics!

      You might think Russia threw off the slave yoke! smile
    2. Orel
      Orel 14 June 2013 10: 38 New
      +3
      Many do not regret the USSR as such, but that the country has not remained within the borders created by generations. From this there is a feeling that the declaration of sovereignty of the RSFSR is the day of the division of the country, the loss of its huge parts and historical ties.
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    4. esaul
      14 June 2013 19: 51 New
      0
      Normal, I welcome you hi I like your commentary for its thoroughness and validity. Thank. Sincerely. This is much better than cynicism and gall words uttered in (in my opinion, only one!) One of the comments. I did not urge everyone to celebrate, but only tried to point out the shift in emphasis in the discussion of the content of the article. And to celebrate or not - this is a private matter for everyone, as well as my point of view, which I tried to set forth. Thanks again. hi
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  5. fenix57
    fenix57 14 June 2013 07: 17 New
    +3
    I love Mother, RUSSIA (MOTHERLAND) - I love, talking badly about My Mother is indecent! And you can’t make me do it! hi
    Quote: MG42
    Gorbachev must answer for the collapse of the USSR

    At the moment he is in Moscow on preventive treatment for diabetes. see Political Review "Mikhail Gorbachev was hospitalized at the Central Clinical Hospital"- comments my face left ... angry
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 June 2013 07: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      Mikhail Gorbachev was hospitalized at the Central Clinical Hospital "on preventive treatment for diabetes.

      And what does that change? In Ukraine, for example, Tymoshenko is also ill, but is serving her term, does not interfere with one another, now even visiting court hearings are doing so by installing telecommunication equipment in the ward ..
      there would be a desire .. but no one Gorbachev does not touch a finger because the next president, assuming his post, apparently gives the tacit immunity to the previous president .., and Gorbachev the first and last president of the USSR, and the EBN did not put him at one time, even though he had decisiveness storm the parliament in 1993 enough .. winked
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 09: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      I love Mother, RUSSIA (MOTHERLAND) - I love, talking badly about My Mother is indecent! And you can’t make me do it!

      BRIEF, concise = brilliant!
    3. individual
      individual 14 June 2013 09: 49 New
      +2
      "... Gobaty come out.
      I said hunchback ..! "
  6. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 14 June 2013 07: 29 New
    14
    In fact, in that thread of the discussion, they "cursed" not Russia as a country, let alone a Motherland, but a holiday or an event that was the reason for the establishment of this holiday. What, Russia did not exist before 12.06.1990/25.12.1991/XNUMX? There were no more suitable dates? By the way, the very name "Russian Federation" or "Russia" did not appear on the day the declaration of state sovereignty was adopted, but on XNUMX (before that date it was the RSFSR). Russia also became a subject of international law not on the specified date, since The Russian state, the Russian Republic, the RSFSR, the USSR and the Russian Federation are one and the same participant in interstate relations, one and the same subject of international law, which has not ceased to exist. Personally, I was dissatisfied with this holiday (namely HOLIDAY) in the fact that the event underlying it was far-fetched.
    There was no question of haste in judgments, since most commentators had the opportunity to analyze these events for more than 20 years, and their position was not subject to a momentary mood.
    Valery, those people who spoke negatively about the holiday, love your homeland no less than yours. With all respect, Andrew.
    1. baskoy
      baskoy 14 June 2013 08: 22 New
      +6
      I completely agree! The mention of the phrase on June 12 evokes a strong association with: Yeltsin, betrayal, baseness, hopelessness, etc. And, unfortunately, do not call this day, sing and dance 12 June I can’t, for me it will remain a black day of the calendar!
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 14 June 2013 09: 54 New
        +5
        With EBNshka, betrayal yes, but not hopeless, RUSSIA always rose! And now, it seems like things have gone! And 12th, really far-fetched!
    2. esaul
      14 June 2013 21: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      Valery, those people who spoke out negatively about the holiday love your Motherland no less than yours. Regards, Andr

      Greetings Andrew hi Sound post, sound words spoken by a thinking person. Thank you drinks
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 14 June 2013 07: 49 New
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    Mr. Yesaul! Are you outraged that people wrote that Russia Day is not a holiday for them?
    So people wrote their honest opinion. Where and who wrote that he does not love and does not respect Russia?
    Do you call to forget the USSR? Here is not it, has passed away ... Let's celebrate a new holiday! Or maybe people only hope that the TS will become a revival of the Soviet Union?
    No need to impose your opinion on everyone. You can express your opinion, you can defend it with facts and documents, but DO NOT DENY, and moreover, do not teach adult people who have expressed their opinion.
    If you were so outraged by the comments - give citations, who there insulted Russia. If you are outraged that people do not celebrate this day, then I'm sorry - this is a personal matter for everyone.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 14 June 2013 09: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: Egoza
      If you are outraged that people do not celebrate this day, then I'm sorry - this is a private matter for everyone.

      That's it, Valera. I did not consider it a holiday, I do not think and I will not consider it. I personally do not consider November 4 as a holiday, and I still celebrate November 7.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 09: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        . I personally and November 4 do not consider a holiday

        And that November 4 is a holiday laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 June 2013 10: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And that November 4 is a holiday

          Hey . Sasha !!!
          I’m for example from March 8 in shock.
          The version according to which the tradition of celebrating International Women's Day on March 8 was laid the “march of empty pots”, which was held on this day by women workers in the textile industry and clothing factories in New York in protest against unacceptable working conditions and low salary

          On March 8, 1908, at the call of the New York Social Democratic Women's Organization, a rally was held with slogans on the equal rights of women. On this day, more than 15 women marched through the city, demanding a shorter working day and equal pay conditions for men. In addition, a requirement has been put forward to grant women suffrage.

          In 1909, the Socialist Party of America declared National Women's Day.

          Holiday Amerovsky - initially. wassat
          This day has been declared a national holiday in some former Soviet republics, as well as in Angola, Burkina Faso, Guinea-Bissau, Cambodia, China, Congo (as a “holiday of Congolese women”), Laos, Macedonia, Mongolia, Nepal, North Korea and Uganda .

          I always tell my wife, giving her another gift (as an answer to a pair of some socks presented on February 23 wassat - a joke) that I would like to celebrate the next March 8th in the company of Congolese women, well, at worst, someone from Burkina Faso or Guinea Bissau.
          But I come across an answer - I'm not jealous, but I’m sleeping the hut. fellow
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            I’m for example from March 8 in shock.

            Let it be, you want all our wives to tear us apart laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 June 2013 14: 09 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Let it be, you want all our wives to tear us apart

              Yes, they are already tearing us, only officially on March 8th, and we pretend that we enjoy it.

              and they tell us for it
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_leUQHZ0Vc
      2. esaul
        14 June 2013 20: 19 New
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        That's it, Valera

        Salute, Nikolai hi No objections. This is a personal matter for everyone. The main thing that is said calmly, in an adult way wink
  8. engineer74
    engineer74 14 June 2013 08: 25 New
    +4
    Dear comrades, don't you think that the collapse of the Union began much earlier than the "declaration of independence" was adopted? In my opinion, the USSR was doomed from the moment when they began to measure their achievements with the Western scale of values ​​- the rest is just a consequence ... sad
    Therefore, I do not see a direct connection between the 12 holiday of June and the destruction of the Union ...
    IMHO
    1. esaul
      14 June 2013 20: 31 New
      +1
      engineer74
      Dmitry, welcome hi
      Quote: engineer74
      Therefore, I do not see a direct connection between the 12 holiday of June and the destruction of the Union ...

      I consider the colleague absolutely the same way! Thank! drinks
  9. Avenger711
    Avenger711 14 June 2013 08: 31 New
    +4
    Don’t call it a holiday, it has been discretizing itself for a long time.
  10. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 14 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +4
    Yes, the matter is somehow not in the holiday itself. I saw the point in that
    The USSR, as a state entity, has not existed for two decades, and every day to continue to grieve over this matter is the right of everyone who cannot live on without it. But one should not speculate and pour mud on everything that is happening in the country now.

    It's the same as to say, "My collective farm has collapsed, everything is gone, what is the point of planting potatoes now." and go begging and your own garden, inherited from the division of collective farm shares, to blame what the light stands for overgrown weeds instead of weeding and cultivating them properly in order to get a harvest.
    A feast like hell, hell not. We will always find a reason to drink drinks
    1. esaul
      14 June 2013 20: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      A feast like hell, like him no.

      Eugene, welcome hi Figuratively and in its own way true. This is me about the collective farm. Thanks for YOUR point of view. drinks
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 June 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    The fact is that I am not against Russia. What happened on June 12 in the 20th century? George W. Bush was born, during whose presidency the Soviet Union disappeared, they adopted a declaration of Moscow’s independence from the Moscow Ring Road and on the same day they elected President Yeltsin. I think all these dates coincided by chance.
    I LOVE my Motherland, no less, even though she changed her "surname" from the USSR to Russia. I just don't understand why this date was chosen? What are we celebrating? Is it Bush's birthday? Russia's independence from Russia? Yeltsin's elections?
    1. esaul
      14 June 2013 20: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      I just don’t understand why this date is chosen?

      Leonid, welcome hi About the date of the holiday - That is a great mystery ... But I do not think that the rejection by many of the holiday lies in the date. The reason is that people linked the date and negative associations. And this is for a long time. For some - for the rest of their life It’s a pity of course ...
  12. Prometheus
    Prometheus 14 June 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    Homeland - it is always the same. It doesn’t matter what is called - the USSR, the Russian Federation or the Russian Empire. It is important that she is, and we have her! And we will protect, if that, and we will not drop honor!
  13. krez-74
    krez-74 14 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +4
    It is too long and too frankly to understand who the author condemns (the one who considers himself a citizen of the USSR), today's Russia expresses its indifference and contempt for its people! And there is no need to blame for anything. I assure you, if there is trouble (God forbid, of course!), Such people will defend Russia no less than those who are beating themselves in the chest now, shouting "For Russia!"
  14. individual
    individual 14 June 2013 09: 46 New
    +6
    I'm a survivor collapse of the USSRsurvived your own decay.
    Like nuclear decay fearing the next fission.
    Life was destroyed, confidence in the future from threats of external forces and predators of internal capital.
    At age 60, try to abandon the ideals and idols of your entire life.
    I cannot betray myself, the USSR and support the three scoundrels who have deprived me of my homeland. I was jarred by the original name - "Russian Independence Day". Now I recognize the more appropriate "Day of Russia", but I do not celebrate.
    It will go away with me, with my life. As for the insult to the name of Russia - for this it is necessary to beat the face in a particular case and drive out of the country in the political.
    "Russia Day" our children and grandchildren will definitely celebrate.
    That’s the whole truth of the story of my generation.
  15. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 09: 54 New
    +1
    That's right at ESAUL! Not in the tradition of PEOPLE! Engage in mourning untimely departed. Not! By crying and that's enough! Need to live!

    The USSR, as a state entity, has not existed for two decades, and every day to continue to grieve over this matter is the right of everyone who cannot live on without it. But one should not speculate and pour mud on everything that is happening in the country now.


    But one should not speculate and pour mud on everything that is happening in the country now.

    ESAUL - not much is wrong, but like that = it should not, on this basis .... not to notice, not find, not see, then the positive that has appeared and is appearing, and is expected, despite the difficulties! And it’s not good to sit in a mourning shawl and sprinkle ashes on the head with moaning, LIFE CONTINUES, and the young need to LAUGH, LOVE, MARRY, ENJOY LIFE!
    and we, the elderly, hold our emotions and rejoice for the youth. Do not spoil their holiday with their lamentations.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 09: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      Not in the tradition of PEOPLE! Engage in mourning untimely departed. Not! By crying and that's enough!

      We will also forget the dead in soldiers?
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Not in the tradition of PEOPLE! Engage in mourning untimely departed. Not! By crying and that's enough!

        We will also forget the dead in soldiers?



        By crying and that's enough! = It's not about memory! Oh cry! And stop already doldon - OH! WE ARE BAD! BADLY! BADLY!
        BREATHE! Give Joys of SIP!
        That's what it is about!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 12: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Give Joys of SIP!

          A sip, yes easy.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 10: 21 New
      0
      I want to add = Your beloved, of course, you should not forget!
      But how long?
      After all - 22years, this is a third of a person’s life!
      No, they respected US these 22 years, but now THOSE WHO with graduation from the USSR graduated from school
      40 years old!
      So that they LIFE ALL LIFE HOW DO WE WALL ABOUT THE LOST?
      NOW ALREADY ARE REACHING TO KEEP AND KEEP!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        No, they respected US these 22 years, but now THOSE WHO with graduation from the USSR graduated from school
        40 years old!

        I am 37 seven and what? I now and then consider the collapse of the USSR a disaster, and if you like it, that the fraternal peoples were artificially separated, then you are probably one of those who spoke about the new mother esaul in the article. Will she change her mother after 22 years to a younger one? fool
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        So that they LIFE ALL LIFE HOW DO WE WALL ABOUT THE LOST?

        We will return the lost, but not with you hi
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 11: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I now and then consider the collapse of the USSR a disaster,

          Does anyone mind?
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          if you like it

          Try to imagine - NO!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          the fraternal peoples were artificially separated

          Brotherly? Who would argue! Only here it is ARTIFICIAL to combine - hardly! It is necessary (finally) to achieve that the PEOPLES are NATURALLY UNITED! And that "free style of communication" practiced on the site (and VO) will not move you to this!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Will she change her mother after 22 years to a younger one?
          -?
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          We will return the lost, but not with you

          Give it to GOD! Not with me? = I can’t live so much! I am 68 years old.
          Yes and = YOUNG ROAD! Bon Voyage!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 12: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            Does anyone mind?

            Yes, you are in your posts.
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            It is necessary (finally) to make the PEOPLE NATURALLY UNITED!

            You do everything so that this does not happen, we will continue to celebrate on June 12. In any case, such an impression of your posts.
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            I am 68 years old.

            On your posts you can’t say this, will you go to skype with the video?
            1. nickname 1 and 2
              nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 14: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You do everything to prevent this from happening.

              Such is our old man’s fate! Our motto: HOW WOULD NOT WHAT ANYTHING WAS! more precisely: not so happened!
              In short: doubts, doubts, doubts!
              For that matter: NEVER ANYWHERE, ANYTHING, IS NOT SEEN EXCEPT - GOOD INTENTIONS!
              SO: We make noise, brother, make noise!
              The "clear road" is not visible. "Where, poor peasant, go?" Such thoughts, probably, prevail.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              In any case, such an impression of your posts.

              Wrong impression!
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You can’t say this in your posts.
              = You flatter me!
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Will you go to skype with the video?

              Well, of course, is this a joke?
              I use Skype.
              1. esaul
                14 June 2013 20: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: nick 1 and 2
                Such is our old man’s fate!

                Nicholas, what can we be sorry for? There is a sensible proverb - "An old horse will not spoil a furrow." Often used in spicy situations wink
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 15 June 2013 18: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: esaul
                  There is a sensible proverb - "An old horse will not spoil the furrow." Often used in spicy situations

                  As for the depth of plowing, we will clarify?

                  wink
  16. Cynic
    Cynic 14 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +1
    Honestly, June 12th, well, neither mind nor heart!
    Yes, I observed the inversion of Independence Day on Russia Day, on this occasion, nothing but black humor comes to mind!
    At one time, when Christianity was planted in Russia, its apologists did much smarter _ Look at almost all church holidays tied to the old Vedic.
    By the way, and memories of them therefore survived ?! Or you won’t kill the memory of the people?
    Do not dare to do this? Afraid of looking at the experience of their predecessors? I don’t know and I’m not going to judge.
    Current speakers have fluttered about the fate of Russian people like to talk about the fact that previously voiced reality was different from reality.
    But there at least they called to the beautiful far.
    Sorry, but now?
    Continuous material interest! Forgotten about human nature? Stealing is always easier than making money. What is happening!
    Moreover, a lot of talk about the victims of repression. Few argue, but compare the scale of these victims (indeed the victims on the altar of industrialization and the construction of the most just system) and losses, already in Russia, in the 90s !!!
    And the results no matter how ugly it sounds!
    Again we begin to build on the bones and try to cover it with beautiful phrases! It hurts really scary!
    I hope that all the same, the coming generations will celebrate the Day of Russia as such, and not the anniversary of when something happened, and whether it happened, or on that day!
    Day of Russia, Day of the State of Raseisk, a self-sufficient reason to celebrate it!
    But he himself didn’t, I can’t, it pains like a wake.
  17. USNik
    USNik 14 June 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    With Yesaul, I agree, but writing articles because of the butthert caused by fat trolls is too much. Just don't pay attention to trolota and shkolota, or beat them back with their own "weapon". All wrestlers crowing about shriek and rossiyu in front have the same road: suitcase-station-bigben, although most of the Internet co-positioners are completely rogue and a trip beyond Bobrus will not shine for them.
    1. esaul
      14 June 2013 20: 43 New
      +1
      USNik
      Greetings, Sergey hi
      Quote: USNik
      Just don't pay attention to trolota and shkolota, or beat them back with their own "weapon".

      Thanks for the tip, buddy. good I will probably use the first method. drinks
  18. dmb
    dmb 14 June 2013 12: 15 New
    +1
    How well and boldly the author said about the provocateurs who call Russia "Rashka" and "Scattering". From the text of the article it follows that he read these terms in the comments to his article on the Day of Russia. Knowing a certain "liberty" of the lamp-bearer in handling facts, he was not too lazy. re-read all the comments. Found 4 deleted. But all of them were answers to people who did not consider this date a holiday. I did not find any other comments with the mention of such names of Russia. This leads to two options. Or similar names are used by supporters of the holiday. or the author is the very cheap provocateur he tells us so beautifully.
  19. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 14 June 2013 13: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: nick 1 and 2
    Give Joys of SIP!

    A sip, yes easy.


    Wow! There "stop" - will be too much.

    But - FOR THE MOTHERLAND - just right!
  20. atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 20: 48 New
    0
    Listen to yourself and absolutely sincerely admit that you would say in response to a person’s words about your country in a contemptuous and insulting tone, using words like “Radiance”, “Raska” or speak about Russia
    ,
    In general, dear, norms must be established from oneself. I have never allowed myself to call a foreign country (like mine) a nickname. All countries and peoples are worthy of respect and this comes back with respect for their country, as well as respect for others of yours. Therefore, follow your rhetoric in relation to other countries, start with yourself.
    And people reach for you
    About the Day of Russia.
    I think - this is the right and necessary holiday, maybe it has not sunk into someone’s soul and it will take a long time until it becomes popular and this will happen first of all. when those shifters and pseudo-concepts that exist now disappear. The gap between Moscow and Russia between RTR and News - and reality. One cannot force a person to celebrate either. that he doesn’t like (Nobody forces to celebrate New Year or Easter)
    While in this holiday a lot of artificial. but the day will come. when it becomes a real holiday.
    No need to grieve about the USSR. through chur there was a lot of wrong and the speed with which he fell apart is an example.
    Although this childhood (and childhood is always happy, let's face it, the USA, Australia, Singapore, N. Zelandia - started as links for convicts, a shelter for criminals and in general any rabble, this did not stop them with the minds of leaders, people's faith and keak, no matter how strange democracy (you can peck me) to reach who they are now.
    Russia has a much better start point, the country has existed for centuries, the people are educated and homogeneous enough - therefore, to make citizens proud of their country is in your hands, and even then they will start celebrating holidays and forget their nicknames.
    Are your comments that have arisen as a result of the CHANGE OF CONCEPTS not a favorable environment in which comments immediately appear using the words Scattering, Raska and other pearls, provocateurs who gladly heat up the slightest signs of contradiction.

    Substitution of concepts is strange. You, as a moderator, give you the opportunity to speak out as an outspoken admirer of Hitler, the Nazis, anti-Semites, etc.
    Do not you think that the infection can be kept and controlled in one small area. without that. that she will infect you.
    Therefore, completing my lengthy opus, I tell you, there are no tearful articles, start with yourself. with respect from others, with the moderation of honest (at least), then the forum users will not allow themselves to insult either against their country or against other countries and peoples.
    Best regards hi
  21. Anti
    Anti 15 June 2013 00: 03 New
    +1
    Russia, took under its wing many peoples and nationalities, as a result, the USSR turned out !!
    I, also born in the USSR and proud of it, I just do not understand why such a reaction to this holiday - the Day of Russia !? I also understand that there is no future without the past, but even in the past Russia, as far as is known, took peoples and nationalities under its wing, and did not destroy its Indians, native inhabitants, like the United States. I, That’s not in Russia, but celebrated and continue a little after work. Correct if not right.
    Glory to Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Join !!!!! drinks
    drinks