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Crimea - a separate state?

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In the autonomous republic of Crimea in the second half of May 2013, the anniversary of the deportation to Central Asia of the Crimean Tatars was once again celebrated. It should be noted that this time the events that were held in this context were marked by some new nuances.

First of all, in the framework of the mourning rally, which took place in Simferopol, and which gathered, according to journalists, about 30-40 thousands of inhabitants, Mustafa Dzhemilev announced that he intends to resign For decades it was the permanent leader of the Crimean Tatars). For the Crimean Tatars, such a decision has ambiguous prospects: on the one hand, the community loses a political leader, whose opinion in Kiev, at least a little, was listened to; on the other hand, the so-called resignation of Dzhemilev gives the Tatars the opportunity to nominate an even more radical leader who can demand from the Ukrainian authorities the granting of Crimean-Tatar autonomy status to the Crimean peninsula.

Another nuance that marked the mourning events was that the Crimean Tatars were unexpectedly supported by the Ukrainian nationalists from the Freedom party. This is all the more strange if we take into account that the same nationalists in every possible way prevent the Russian population of the peninsula from achieving the same, only Russian, autonomy. At the rally of the Crimean Tatars, a representative of Freedom, Eduard Leonov, was delegated, who made a statement that his party fully supported the Tatars' desire. Probably there is no point in saying that Russophobia is the basis of such a union ...

As for the central government, it tried with all its might to look politically correct, even though the head of state V. Yanukovych did not consider it necessary to attend the mourning meeting of the Crimean Tatar community. Moreover, the prime minister of the peninsula A.Mogilev, who was appointed by the president, also preferred a rally to a foreign mission. However, Yanukovych once again managed to distinguish himself by releasing an appeal to the Crimean Tatars and people of other nationalities on the 69 anniversary of the deportation from the peninsula.

In particular, it dealt with the fact that almost seven decades ago, by the forces of the totalitarian regime, cruel repressions were launched against the Crimean Tatars, who were forcibly resettled to Siberia, Central Asia and the Urals. Similar fate awaited representatives of other nationalities who have long inhabited the peninsula, including Armenians, Greeks, Germans, Bulgarians, Italians. However, despite all the hardships and horrors, these people found the strength to preserve their culture, identity and language. The head of state said that the entire Ukrainian population is proud of those people who have retained the desire to return to their native land, as well as mourning those who fell victim to deportations.

Viktor Yanukovych also noted that the state will continue to solve all the problems and issues that are associated with the resettlement of repatriates, even though the country's economy is experiencing certain difficulties. Indeed, only in peace, unity and interethnic harmony can a strong and independent state be built.

After such words, it was impossible not to recall the need to proceed to the implementation of the Declaration of National Sovereignty, which was adopted as early as 1991. It, in particular, states that the Crimean peninsula is the national territory of the Crimean Tatars. And only this nation has the right to self-determination here in accordance with international laws recognized by the world community. In addition, it is noted in the Declaration, the economic, political, spiritual and cultural revival of the Crimean Tatars is possible only in a national sovereign state.

On the other hand, on the eve of the rally, the leader of the Crimean Tatars Dzhemilev threatened the representatives of the Crimean authorities that in case of a ban on holding a rally, the Tatars would block roads and paralyze traffic first in Simferopol, and if necessary, in other regions of the peninsula. Thus, all this can have serious consequences. That is why, noted Dzhemilev, the Crimean Tatars draw the attention of international organizations to the possibility of provocations by the authorities.

By the way, the role of international organizations in Crimea is quite large. Recall that preparations for the elections to Kurultay (representative body that is not recognized by the official Ukrainian authorities) began here in April. This body over time will appoint a new Mejlis, which is also not recognized by the authorities. Meanwhile, at these so-called elections there were quite a few international representatives who wanted to “observe” the course of their conduct. Meanwhile, similar elections were held in Nagorno-Karabakh, Transdniestria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but no international organization has ever recognized these elections as democratic ...

Well, if we talk about the genocide of the Crimean Tatars, then, according to some historians, the tragedy of 1944, in fact, was nothing more than a punishment to the traitors for aiding the fascists. Recall that 20 of May 1944 of the year more than 180 thousand people were taken from the Crimean peninsula.

As soon as the war began, most of the Tatars called up for the Soviet army deserted. Representatives of the Crimean Tatars already in 1941 year went to Berlin to negotiate with the Nazis, the theme of which was the possibility of creating a separate state of the Crimean Tatars. At the same time, the Germans were absolutely not going to help them, but only wanted to use the Tatars for their own purposes. Thus, in Berlin, the Tatar National Committee was created, whose main task was the organization of armed Tatar formations in the territories occupied by the Nazis, and resistance to Soviet troops. In addition, the committee under the protection of Germany was supposed to create the Volga-Ural Tatar state, which should include the Tatar, Udmurt, Chuvash, Mordovia and Mari republics, as well as part of the Ural region.

In addition, as documents show, during the years of the occupation of the Crimea, the fascists organized Muslim committees on the peninsula, which recruited Tatar youth into volunteer groups to fight against Soviet partisans, carried out propaganda propaganda among the Crimean Tatars.

In addition, a collection of funds was held on the peninsula, which went to assist the German troops who had been defeated, and special forces were created from soldiers who deserted from the Soviet army, who fought on the German side during the battles for Sevastopol, and also took part in punitive operations.

As historians note, the order of eviction of the Crimean Tatars from the Peninsula was too soft (as for the Soviet regime). In particular, they were allowed to take with them personal belongings, household items, clothing, dishes. In each echelon there were medical workers. In addition, prior to the point of arrival, it was ordered to provide echelons with meals. Moreover, at the place of resettlement, immigrants were allocated land, they were assisted in the construction of houses, food was supplied, a loan was given for construction. Of course, all this may be only meaningless entries on paper for "tick", and maybe not. Now to get to the truth is almost impossible.

Anyway, from 1944 onwards, new and new generations of Crimean Tatars not only in Ukraine, but also abroad, tried their best to rehabilitate their people and give them the right to return to the Crimean peninsula with the possibility of future autonomy.

During the reign of Khrushchev, the Crimean Tatar population was rehabilitated, but it did not receive a return to the Crimea, however, as did the right to autonomy. When M. Gorbachev came to power, the situation somewhat changed, and throughout 1987, representatives of the Crimean Tatars developed active activities in Moscow, threatening to hold mass protests. In this regard, the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU was forced to hold a special emergency meeting, during which it was decided to return the Tatars to Crimea.

As for the more late period of time, since the 2008 year, the Crimean Tatars have intensified markedly. As soon as independence was proclaimed unilaterally in Kosovo, the Crimean Tatars also spoke of the possibility of secession from Ukraine. Then Dzhemilev said that such questions would not be raised if the Ukrainian authorities take into account the requirements and respect the rights of the Crimean population.

In the next year, 2009, according to surveys, almost a third of the Crimean Tatar population supported the separation of the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. The Crimean Tatars then started talking again about national independence, but so far as part of the Ukrainian state.

According to most experts, the Ukrainian authorities themselves are to blame for the fact that a similar situation has begun to develop. Official Kiev almost completely ignores the powers enshrined in the basic law of autonomy, thus trying to destabilize the situation on the peninsula. And representatives of Russia say that the decision to transfer Crimea from the Russian Federation to Ukraine, which was made almost 60 years ago, was illegal.

Whatever it was, but if the Ukrainian government does not conduct a balanced and thoughtful policy towards the Crimea, then the consequences of such behavior can be deplorable ...

Materials used:
http://www.km.ru/world/2013/05/21/polozhenie-russkoyazychnogo-naseleniya-ukrainy/711221-tatary-zakhoteli-otdelit-krym
http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/187350-tatary-zahoteli-otdelit-krym-ot-ukrainy.html
http://www.ua-pravda.com/politprognoz/pochemu-stalin-viselil-krimskih-tatar.html
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  1. domokl
    domokl 14 June 2013 08: 24 New
    18
    Talks about autonomy, and then the secession of Crimea, with the support of Turkey, have been going on for a long time, and if at the beginning of the century it seemed utopian, now it’s quite practical and legal. The collapse of the country is more real than ever and the Tatars will not miss their mark.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 08: 34 New
      26
      Quote: domokl
      . And if at the beginning of the century it seemed utopian, now it’s quite a ride both practically and legally.

      The stakes are too high, Russia in this situation will not give up Crimea. Erdogan can only suck a chupa-chups.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 14 June 2013 08: 40 New
        27
        Not only the Galician "Svolota" supports the Crimean Tatars for Russophobia. First of all, this card is played by the Ukrainian government itself. Finish out. What is characteristic is that these rulers do nothing, for the worse.
        1. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 14 June 2013 09: 23 New
          +8
          We are waiting for the collapse of the Fatherland. Sevastopol, Odessa, Kerch with great pleasure to stretch out with a yellow blot
          1. Algor73
            Algor73 14 June 2013 10: 04 New
            -15
            And join Kazakhstan? Such issues are decided by a referendum. If people want to live in autonomy, or in general separately, let them live. This is their right, this is their land.
            1. Gorinich
              Gorinich 14 June 2013 10: 43 New
              25
              You say a referendum ... In 1991 there was a referendum on the preservation of the Union and what? ....
              1. Algor73
                Algor73 14 June 2013 11: 24 New
                +4
                As for the 91st, I agree, but then they decided it by those party methods, then they didn’t ask the opinion of the people at all. And for this they need to be judged, the whole White Trinity, which is now hiding behind high matters.
                1. EVIL
                  EVIL 14 June 2013 16: 46 New
                  17
                  I was born in Sevastopol - a Russian city, Odessa - I do not know, but definitely not Ukrainian, Kerch - Russian.
                  I think there the people themselves will rise if the Tatars try to give free rein ...

                  And about becoming part of Russia -)))
                  Now it will be very beneficial to become part of Russia.
                  And the people want it.
                  And everyone understands this, especially those who know that in the event of a union with Russia, they will block the manger. Therefore, all this Ukrainian political elite is furious ...
              2. NUT
                NUT 15 June 2013 03: 26 New
                0
                Quote: Gorinich
                You say the referendum ...

                The daughter in Alushta was in the hospital, in the ward talking with the Tatar:
                - How many children do you have?
                - two
                - And I have seven and in 20 years we’ll see whose Crimea will be ...
                1. Ded_smerch
                  Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 11: 17 New
                  0
                  yes yes, in 20 years? Then in 2-3 years it’s not clear what will happen, but for 20 years you’ve been wondering.
            2. DEfindER
              DEfindER 14 June 2013 11: 21 New
              14
              Quote: Algor73
              Such issues are decided by a referendum. If people want to live in autonomy, or in general separately, let them live. This is their right, this is their land.

              Actually, the Tatars in Crimea are a minority
              The population of Crimea is 58,3% Russians, 24,3% Ukrainians, 12,1% Crimean Tatars, 1,4% Belarusians, 0,5% Tatars, 0,4% Armenians, 0,2% Jews, Poles, Moldavians Azerbaijanis, 0,1% each of Uzbeks, Koreans, Greeks, Germans, Mordovians, Chuvashs, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Georgians and Mari, as well as Karaites, Krymchaks and others

              If a referendum is held, then Crimea will immediately go to Russia, therefore Ukraine does not give Crimea normal autonomy ..

              And not everyone said about the deportation in the article, in fact, after the liberation of Crimea in the war, the Crimean Tatars had to be tried for war crimes, and there were so many of these crimes and they were so cruel that by law they had to shoot a significant part of the male ethnic group Tatars, which would lead to the degeneration of the nation, as a result, for the sake of its preservation, they decided to deport.
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                1. Ded_smerch
                  Ded_smerch 14 June 2013 12: 19 New
                  +8
                  if not for corn everything would be ok.
                2. Rider
                  Rider 14 June 2013 12: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: roial
                  Pay tribute to them until now.


                  and along with the rest of Russia.

                  check out: http://yablor.ru/blogs/samie-dotiruemie-regioni-rf/2555657
                  and don't talk nonsense anymore.
              2. Ded_smerch
                Ded_smerch 14 June 2013 12: 17 New
                +1
                oh beautiful! And then this is their land - their land in Turkey.
              3. seller trucks
                seller trucks 14 June 2013 12: 56 New
                +9
                Quote: DEfindER
                Actually, the Tatars in the Crimea are a minority



                according to the census of 1917 of the year, Crimean Tatars made up only 26,8% of the population of the peninsula (200 of thousands of people), and 1939 of the year is even less than 19,4% (218 of thousands of people).

                and even a moment, regarding the deportation of the Crimean Tatars:

                Field Marshal Erich von Manstein: “Most of the Tatar population of Crimea was very friendly towards us ... Tatars immediately took our side. ... A Tatar deputation arrived, bringing fruit and beautiful handmade fabrics for the liberator of the Tatars“ Adolf Effendi ”
            3. viktorR
              viktorR 14 June 2013 12: 00 New
              +6
              Actually, this is to a greater extent our land, Tatars here are no more than 10% and Russians are more than half.
            4. Ded_smerch
              Ded_smerch 14 June 2013 12: 16 New
              +1
              Well, tell me where is their land?
              1. hrych
                hrych 14 June 2013 13: 16 New
                +3
                Girey is the last yurt of Genghis Khan and their land in Inner Mangolia, but unfortunately the Crimean Tatars are not Girey, but most of them are Central Asian slaves brought under their leadership.
            5. alexkross83
              alexkross83 14 June 2013 17: 11 New
              0
              Since you don’t need Khrushchev’s present, it’s better to go to Kazakhstan, and besides the so-called “people” Russians and Ukrainians also live there, and we know how to hold referendums on the example of Maidan, not only Crimea for 50 hryvnias and a bottle of vodka give ...
            6. alexkross83
              alexkross83 14 June 2013 17: 16 New
              0
              On the Independence Square, hold a referendum ... there I heard for a bottle of gorilka and 50 hryvnias not only Crimea can be given .. but also Ukraine to amerokozam ...
            7. alex13-61
              alex13-61 14 June 2013 21: 24 New
              +1
              And again: Chersonesus, Tmutarakan, Theodoro and a very long list ... and why is Mongolia not their land ???
              Quote: Algor73
              . If people want to live in autonomy, or in general separately, let them live. This is their right, this is their land.

              Quote: Algor73
              Such issues are decided by a referendum.

              And the referendum in Crimea is prevented by the Ukrainian authorities ...
            8. Tartary
              Tartary 15 June 2013 01: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Algor73
              And join Kazakhstan? Such issues are decided by a referendum. If people want to live in autonomy, or in general separately, let them live. This is their right, this is their land.

              Wow ...
              Tatars wanted their autonomy?
              How many of them are there?
              400 thousand against several million Russians?
              But they would not go to the stump!

              They decided to rule the Russian minority, presenting them as a huge herd?
              Break off!

              First, let them learn to love a great Motherland, and only then they begin to want to have autonomy in the center of Crimea - something like a reservation ...

              Damn ...
            9. NUT
              NUT 15 June 2013 04: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Algor73
              This is their right, this is their land.

              Damn yourself jet! With% uyali guests come in large numbers? Or does someone seriously consider the Tatars in the Crimea an indigenous population? In fact, they are the classic brutal conquerors, invaders, destroyers. And in return for the destroyed ports, cities, roads, orchards, vineyards, nothing was built by them. The only beauty and pride of the "Khan's Palace", before the modern Turkish European-quality repair (was in 2009), against the background of the Palaces of the Russian Princes, was a wretched chicken coop (was in 1975). And he became famous thanks to the “dropper” stuck together by the Italian and described by A.S. Pushkin ...
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 15 June 2013 10: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: NUT
                The only beauty and pride of the "Khan's Palace", before the modern Turkish European-quality repair (was in 2009), against the background of the Palaces of the Russian Princes, was a wretched chicken coop (was in 1975). And he became famous thanks to the “dropper” stuck together by the Italian and described by A.S. Pushkin ...

                That's just his Tatars ... also did not build. It was built at the time by the hands of Slavic works on the Italian project. Khan was only a customer request
          2. Ivan.
            Ivan. 14 June 2013 14: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Ded_smerch
            stretch out

            One letter makes a lot of sense, be careful.
            "Constantine" fix it easily, and then looks like an unhealthy emphasis. smile
            1. Ded_smerch
              Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 11: 24 New
              -1
              Thanks comrade for what I saw.
            2. Ded_smerch
              Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 11: 43 New
              0
              only unfortunately it’s impossible to fix it if you voted for the message and answered it.
      2. domokl
        domokl 14 June 2013 09: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Russia in this situation will not give Crimea

        I would like to believe. Only in order for Russia to have any rights (thanks to EBN) to intervene in the affairs of Crimea, we should get carte blanche from Ukraine. And this, as you know, is not to be expected ...
        Yes, and Erdagan will not advertise the rights of Turkey .. It is enough for him and the puppet state, which the Tatars claim
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 14 June 2013 11: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          And Erdagan will not advertise the rights of Turkey. A puppet state is enough for him, which the Tatars just claim

          But Schaub this did not happen, it would be necessary to support the protesters in Taksim Square and throw them political slogans.
      3. PDM80
        PDM80 14 June 2013 10: 39 New
        +5
        Russia needs Crimea as air, but it also set a precedent in Abkhazia, and it may turn sideways and not in our favor, but to light Crimea like Libya or Syria is a very option!
        1. Opera
          Opera 14 June 2013 11: 13 New
          16
          A precedent was created in Kosovo and not by Russia!
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 14 June 2013 11: 15 New
          0
          Quote: PDM80
          and ignite the Crimea as Libya or Syria is a very option!

          I don’t argue, as an option ... request but let's hope that this doesn’t reach
      4. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 14 June 2013 11: 10 New
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        Lord! Crimea is not only Simferopol and several villages on the road to Yalta. Places promised by the Tatar diaspora. Crimea, this is Sevastopol, Feodosia, Kerch, Yevpatoria, also Yalta. There is no Ukrainian Stalin. He would determine the place of compact residence of nationalists of all currents in a single international fraternity with corresponding duties and limited rights.
        Whose nationality is indicated in the passport? NO ONE. We are all citizens of one state. And even the DNA of the ardent nationalist Tyagnibok will show that someone has diluted the blood of the titular Jewish Jewish. Nationalist speeches must be stopped radically and harshly. Our state is multinational and not one century old. In general, it is necessary to prohibit waving different colored rags of party, fagot, nationalist, all that are not legalized by the laws of Ukraine.
        No one forbids people of other nationalities to adhere to traditions, to celebrate holidays, but at home or in places of compact residence, but not throughout Ukraine. Then one resident of the mountains in the house opposite, arranged a wedding. At XNUMXam on Fridays. There were no horses, the bike races with a roar were staged, in addition to the fireworks, of all types of personal weapons they shot. Our democratic militia arrived. We whispered to the host and depart with the words, "This is their national custom." It was a pity there was no machine gun at hand, so that he intelligibly explained that people should be respected and silence maintained at night. This is a millionth city, not a mountain village of relatives.
      5. Misantrop
        Misantrop 14 June 2013 12: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The stakes are too high, Russia in this situation will not give up Crimea.

        It depends on who will be in the "upper chair". If something like Medvedev, he’ll not only give it back, but also tie it with a ribbon, alas ...
      6. Flooding
        Flooding 14 June 2013 12: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The stakes are too high, Russia in this situation will not give up Crimea.


        How do you imagine this?
        Of all the options, only one seems to me the most acceptable for Russia: Ukraine is losing autonomy (which is very likely), Russia after a certain historical period returns it to its fold.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 14 June 2013 15: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Flood
          Of all the options, only one seems to me the most acceptable for Russia: Ukraine is losing autonomy (which is very likely), Russia after a certain historical period returns it to its fold.

          At the moment, but everything flows, everything changes - you need to prepare your own version more acceptable.
      7. alexkross83
        alexkross83 14 June 2013 17: 00 New
        +1
        Let the Crimean Tatars wait .. now Syria is in the first place ... we will definitely come to their aid and organize autonomy within Russia, due to the fact that Ukraine is apparently not able to cope with Khrushchev’s “present”.
      8. alexkross83
        alexkross83 14 June 2013 17: 06 New
        0
        But no ... of course Crimea is a separate state ... but I think so as part of Russia.
      9. Corsair
        Corsair 15 June 2013 07: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The stakes are too high, Russia in this situation will not give up Crimea. Erdogan can only suck a chupa-chups.

        And not only Erdogan, but also Yanukovych, because of his inability to influence the ongoing processes, he will be pushed aside while Russia has to “resolve” the problem, defending its interests ...
        Quote from the article:
        the so-called resignation of Dzhemilev makes it possible for the Tatars to nominate an even more radical leader in his place, who will be able to demand that the Ukrainian authorities grant the Crimean Tatar autonomy to the Crimean peninsula.

        The long-running project is being taken to a new level, and given the stupidity of the Ukrainian leadership in managing the country, it is extremely dangerous
    2. chaushevski
      chaushevski 14 June 2013 12: 45 New
      +4
      I’m generally for the collapse of Ukraine in the case of Chago, the center and the east will fall to us and even the Crimea
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 14 June 2013 14: 54 New
        -7
        Quote: chaushevski
        I am for the collapse ... we will fall ... and even the Crimea

        A frivolous comrade, in the Crimea and not only an alien element with a gulkin nose, these are mainly our former fellow citizens.
        You give Tatar autonomy as part of Turkish Kurdistan!
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 15 June 2013 00: 31 New
          0
          At least 7 Tatars of the “Crimean” were noted to be leapt.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 14 June 2013 17: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: chaushevski
        I’m generally for the collapse of Ukraine in the case of Chago, the center and the east will fall to us and even the Crimea


        you do not squander Russian lands, you didn’t attach you to dispose of
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    1. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 14 June 2013 09: 23 New
      20
      Oh and good was Joseph with Lawrence at 44
  3. Avenger711
    Avenger711 14 June 2013 08: 33 New
    20
    Separation of the Crimea is necessary, but no one asks the traitors of the Tatars. Let them say that they’re alive at all. After all, a hedgehog, it’s clear that Crimea will not stay independent for a year.
  4. valerei
    valerei 14 June 2013 08: 39 New
    -4
    There is no silver lining. If we imagine that Crimea will move to Russia, then what kind of migraine we will get! Even if there is no war as in Chechnya, then they will have to be fed and this, as they say, do not go to a fortuneteller. And what will an ordinary Russian person get from Crimea? Never mind. Crimea will be divided between thieves oligarchs and that’s it! An example is Sochi.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 June 2013 08: 55 New
      18
      Quote: valerei
      And what will an ordinary Russian person get from Crimea?

      Well, in this case, the Russians who live in Crimea now will be happy !!!
      Tatars immediately subside. Russia is not Ukraine, it will not run on its paws in front of them. “Svolotovtsy” will immediately be removed, or they will finally be “shut up”. And Turkey will cease to glance at the Crimea as a tidbit that can be chopped off.

      At the beginning of the article it is said that Dzhemilev was going to resign. But not for what reason. his youngest "son", who had long been an adult, killed a man.
      “The story of the murder in the house of the head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev, in which his younger son Khayser is suspected, continues to be overgrown with details. The brother of the deceased guard Fevzi Edemov - Asan - is sure that they shot at point blank range. Asan was one of the first to arrive at the scene of the tragedy : "It was a deliberate and cold-blooded murder. He was specially invited there, Fevzi was supposed to work that day in Sevastopol. I don’t know if this is revenge or what, but my brother is no longer there. He shot half a face! Fevzi fell where they shot him when he tied up tomatoes. I, as a former military man, tell you: “My brother was shot at point blank range.” Http://glavred.info/proisshestvija/rodnye-ubitogo-ohrannika-uvereny-s
      yn-dzhemileva-strelyal-v-upor-251026.html

      Currently, the son is being treated in a psychiatric hospital in Istanbul, where he had previously been treated. Several years ago, M. Dzhemilev hanged 10-year-old daughter. Here is something wrong with this family’s mental state. Now imagine where the "leader" can lead people if he is not in order with his head?
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 14 June 2013 09: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Here is something wrong with this family’s mental state. Now imagine where the "leader" can lead people if he is not in order with his head?
        Do you remember Adolf? And nowhere else
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 14 June 2013 12: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Several years ago, a 10-year-old daughter hanged herself from M. Dzhemilev.

        Not a daughter, a granddaughter. But hanged herself, fact
    2. AntonR7
      AntonR7 14 June 2013 17: 15 New
      +3
      Crimea is our marine base and the resort can become so that the benefits are huge.
  5. Alexander-Tomsk
    Alexander-Tomsk 14 June 2013 09: 01 New
    +3
    The Ukrainian government and balanced and thought-out policy are nonsense! This is something from the category of fiction. laughing They create problems on their own head by supporting Tatars-nationalists. Maybe someone can cite statistics on Tatars in the Crimea - the number, percentage of the Russian population, etc. And then in the article there are no exact data.
    1. a52333
      a52333 14 June 2013 11: 01 New
      +1
      about 260 thousand, the total population of Crimea 1 900 000
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 14 June 2013 11: 03 New
      +5
      On the eve of World War II, the Crimean Tatars made up less than one fifth of the population of the peninsula. Here are the 1939 census data
      Russian 558481 - 49,6%
      Ukrainians 154120 - 13,7%
      Tatars 218179 - 19,4%

      Nevertheless, the Tatar minority was not at all infringed on their rights in relation to the Russian-speaking population. Rather, the opposite. The official languages ​​of the Crimean ASSR were Russian and Tatar. The administrative principle of the autonomous republic was based on the national principle. In 1930, national village councils were created for Russians - 207, Tatar - 144, German - 37, Jewish - 14, Bulgarian - 9, Greek - 8, Ukrainian - 3, Armenian and Estonian - 2. In addition, national districts were organized. In all schools, children of national minorities studied in their own language.
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 14 June 2013 12: 49 New
        +1
        the fact of the matter is that no one infringes on the Tatars. Live on health. But Kosovo is ripening. Someone is actively warming up this Tatar card. And when the time comes, this card will play. And in any scenario, Ukraine will be wrong. Sanctions will go, no-fly zones, and modern flirting will not help. This is a strategy. This is something that the rulers of Russia and Ukraine do not own.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 June 2013 12: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
      And then in the article there are no exact data.
      They are nowhere to be found, not only in the article. To begin with, the vast majority of the current “newly deported” are not Tatars at all. Among them, Tatar is good if every tenth. They were raked in bulk, promising a bunch of nishtyaks in a new place. And at the same time, buying a penny at home and property at the place of former residence. Golem clearing the territory, and Crimea was chosen as the dumping ground. Already gave an example, they raided a few years ago one, very vociferous and demanding. So he turned out to be a Chinese ...
  6. hrych
    hrych 14 June 2013 09: 02 New
    21
    Cleaning territories from hostile elements that sniffed with an external enemy from time immemorial has been decided by genocide or exile. Almost all over the world this was solved by cutting out a harmful population, but not in Russia. That Tsarist Russia, that Stalin for humane reasons solved this problem by deportation, only Tsarism was wise and deported from the Empire, and Stalin deported inside the country, short-sightedly laying a mine, because the deputies, when the opportunity arises, will try to return, which was expressed in particular in the Russian genocide in Chechnya (which indicates the stupidity of the Russians, i.e. the reluctance to shed someone else's blood leads to their rivers, and then one damn thing will have to be soaked in the toilet). Unfortunately for the Crimean Tatars, tsarism still cleaned the Crimea from them and they are a miserable minority there, and in Turkey from 500 thousand to 5 million, the Turks themselves do not know what Kemalists have abolished, but only in documents and statistics, and not in their heads . Crimea - Russian and there will be no other, but the fact that he is now in one of the three Russian states is not scary, they will still be the same.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 14 June 2013 14: 40 New
      +1
      Tsarism did not have enough Tatars to evict the Crimean people in general, although there was an idea.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 14 June 2013 15: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: hrych
      Cleaning territories from hostile elements that sniffed with an external enemy from time immemorial has been decided by genocide or exile. Almost all over the world this was solved by cutting out a harmful population, but not in Russia. That Tsarist Russia, that Stalin for humane reasons solved this problem by deportation, only Tsarism was wise and deported from the Empire, and Stalin deported inside the country, short-sightedly laying a mine, because the deputies, on an opportunity, will try to return, which was expressed in particular in the Russian genocide in Chechnya (which speaks of the stupidity of the Russians, those. unwillingness to shed someone else’s blood leads to its rivers, and then one devil will have to wet enemies in the outhouse).


      I just applaud you for your comment hi
      Quote: hrych
      . unwillingness to shed someone else's blood leads to its rivers

      And this statement, in my opinion, is the same as that any safety rules are written in BLOOD. It’s a pity that politicians and rulers "make up of themselves whole ... sophisticated, not thinking that later, with blood, for their snot, tens of thousands of Russians will pay.
      I always remember the formation of China. The mother of children of a foreign principality, sometimes they buried alive in the ground ... Cruelly? Yes ... But it couldn’t be
      Quote: hrych
      the deputies, when the opportunity arises, will try to return


      Though "hrych", but drinks
  7. Whale
    Whale 14 June 2013 09: 05 New
    +3
    nice poster in the photo
    and where were you In 44, I would like to ask (the parent of this miracle)
  8. Opera
    Opera 14 June 2013 09: 20 New
    10
    There is no accuracy in the article - no 30-40 thousand protesters were even close. There is also - on the slogans of the Tatars, in addition to the theme of the national state, the European Union was also present. The point was that with such power in Crimea (they do not like Mogilev) they will not take us to the European Union!
    The situation in Simferopol was normal. The people who watched what was happening did not express satisfaction with the blocking of the streets (Tatars came to Kirov avenue from Victory Ave.) and loud religious cries (they love God - well, what do they tell us about this?!?! Should be more modest).
    It's a pity I can’t upload photos. A photo in an article from the square with the monument to Lenin, across from across the road on the roof of a residential building, a red flag develops, in Crimea there are a lot of Russian symbols on houses, a tricolor and St. Andrew's flag on the windshields of many cars, etc. That says a lot.
    In conclusion, I’ll say that people live in Crimea hard - from season to season ... Therefore, such performances (well, if the meeting is mournful and the events should be appropriate) do not enjoy the support of many Tatars - some events will naturally scare off tourists! And this is the main source of income! And live on what ?!
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 14 June 2013 10: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Oper
      in Crimea there are a lot of Russian symbols on houses, a tricolor and St. Andrew’s flag on the windshields of many cars, etc.

      Sevastopol is generally practically a Russian city (thanks to the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the city mainly lives). Last May, I was in Sevastopol and, fortunately, I got exactly on the day of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. ALL city walked! ALL, regardless of nationality, religion, etc.
      1. Opera
        Opera 14 June 2013 10: 58 New
        +6
        Quote: self-propelled
        Last May, I was in Sevastopol and, fortunately, I got exactly on the day of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. ALL city walked!

        Come also this year and invite friends!
        Quote: self-propelled
        Sevastopol is generally practically a Russian city

        Look at other cities)))
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 14 June 2013 11: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: Oper
          Look at other cities)))

          Duc, I live in Ukraine. and by the nature of my activity I often travel on business in Ukraine. therefore, I write in my comments what I myself saw and heard. not "heard from friends"
          Quote: Oper
          Come also this year and invite friends!

          thanks for the invitation! hi God willing, in the month of August I will come with my family. yes
          1. Opera
            Opera 14 June 2013 11: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: self-propelled
            . therefore, I write in my comments what I myself saw and heard. not "heard from friends"

            Here I am about the same!
            Quote: self-propelled
            thanks for the invitation!

            Quote: self-propelled
            God willing will come with my family in August

            Good people are always welcome. In August there are only a lot of people, with family it is better in September.
    2. a52333
      a52333 14 June 2013 11: 06 New
      +1
      And you stop feeding the western bank of the Dnieper, and life will become easier. They live only at the expense of eastern Ukraine, and they are yapping at you.
      1. Opera
        Opera 14 June 2013 11: 24 New
        +4
        You don’t really bother about Crimeans.
        1. pawlo77
          pawlo77 14 June 2013 14: 06 New
          +4
          the main thing is that 90 did not return to their native Crimea. chaos was utter. but according to the Tatars they can’t do anything. Now in Berkut the authorities are serious, they will not let me go for a walk.
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 14 June 2013 14: 01 New
        +1
        Look at the map what the western bank of the Dnieper is. You mean those who "above Tissa" live. And these are two big differences.
    3. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 14 June 2013 12: 51 New
      0
      Well, at least it pleases!
  9. LOKY
    LOKY 14 June 2013 09: 47 New
    +4
    Moreover, land was allocated to the settlers at the place of resettlement, assistance was provided in the construction of houses, food was supplied, and a construction loan was given. Of course, all this can only be insignificant notes on paper for a “tick”, or maybe not. Now it’s almost impossible to get to the truth.


    Well then! "Impossible"! Perhaps, and how!
    And much easier than it sounds. To begin with, at least there are archives in any administrative authority of the settlement. But even if they are not: there is always a development plan, the type of houses used, etc. And each document has a stamp on who created this document. Accordingly, an architectural workshop is determined. And I doubt very much that it will turn out to be not Soviet, not from the nearest large settlement.
    Although of course it is easier to say: the Tatars, the unfortunate, were evicted, thrown into the bare steppe (remote taiga, frozen swamp, etc. - by choice). However, even a primitive logical analysis can prove the failure of the provocative passionate screamers.


    But with this:
    the decision to transfer Crimea from the Russian Federation to Ukraine, which was adopted almost 60 years ago, was illegal

    I completely agree!
  10. Enjoy
    Enjoy 14 June 2013 10: 00 New
    +8
    I do not understand the Tatars according to the census in 2001, not counting the population of Sevastopol, in the Crimea there were 12%, Russians 58%, Ukrainians 24%. 12 years have passed, during this time the proportion has changed not in our favor, but not by much. Whose national state are they planning to build? Here I see only Slavic, with 70-80% of the content of the titular nation.

    I hope that in the foreseeable future the city, protecting which my great-grandfather died, will return to his homeland. Good and without war, because intellectually manage Crimea in Kiev does not work. They only know how to pit people together.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 14 June 2013 12: 55 New
      0
      I don’t understand homosexuals either, but France and Britain understand. For in their democracy democracy is what the minority wants! That’s why these unfortunate 12% at one time will play as Albanians in Kosovo.
  11. kind
    kind 14 June 2013 10: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Ded_smerch
    Oh and good was Joseph with Lawrence at 44

    Yes, they would have sent them to Chukotka, and they would have been - Chukchi Tatars!
    1. family
      family tree 14 June 2013 20: 02 New
      +1
      Good (1) SU Today, 10:10 AM

      Quote: Ded_smerch
      Oh and good was Joseph with Lawrence at 44

      Yes, they would have sent them to Chukotka, and they would have been - Chukchi Tatars!
      Transportation costs are big, the war is going on after all. It was easier for local Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, who served in the Red Army for a couple of months on a “vacation” to send home, as part of a combined division, and say that they were not too shy.
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 11: 38 New
        +1
        That's why I wrote about kindness, it was Lavrentiy Palych who recommended the deportation plan so that the people would not die out (I can imagine what the navy would do for their killed comrades during the unsuccessful landing). By the way, there was a plan and it would be easier to arrange a trial on the spot, though even with this option the nation would become extinct because almost all young animals would be sent to Siberia and there would be no one to make small Tatars who stand on the photo with posters.
    2. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 11: 33 New
      0
      I think they would have died out without a trace. They were therefore sent to the Uzbeks because of the similarity of climate.
  12. Strashila
    Strashila 14 June 2013 10: 10 New
    +4
    According to international law ... Crimea can belong either to Russia or Turkey, the rest is from the evil one.
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    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 14 June 2013 14: 07 New
      0
      And where specifically said that either Russia or Turkey. It can also be argued that the Bosphorus with Constantinople should belong to Russia. And the Tatars in Crimea, even Catherine the Great, by her Decree, the place indicated their rights to the Crimea.
      1. alexdol
        alexdol 15 June 2013 11: 51 New
        0
        Captain Vrungel (1) SU "And where specifically what is said either to Russia or Turkey ..."
        ----------------------------------
        As Strashila said, "According to international law ...", but I believe that we simply do not care about these "international rights"! I had to somehow listen to a lecture by one lecturer and he really said that there was such an AGREEMENT between Russia and Turkey on which “as soon as the last military base of Russia leaves Crimea, it will automatically transfer to Turkey”! Apparently here we are talking about this ...
    3. alex13-61
      alex13-61 15 June 2013 11: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      Crimea can belong either to Russia or Turkey,

      Turkey was indicated in its place, and the Balkans were freed ...
  13. Yurko
    Yurko 14 June 2013 10: 19 New
    -7
    From the composition of not the Russian Federation, but the USSR.
    Ukrainian nationalists for the deprivation of autonomy and the annexation of Crimea as an area.
    My personal attitude to the Tatars, as a moderate nationalist, depends on their views, with radical bad, with adequate - normal. Not only Russians fought for Crimea, but also Ukrainians and Belarusians. No one is going to give Crimea to us, neither Russia, nor Turkey nor to anyone else. It's just that our period is difficult now, the mafia is in power for which, by the way, Crimea voted. People are just stupid and naive there. They believe in communism, the decency of the elect. Hereditary military, decent, but naive.
    1. Opera
      Opera 14 June 2013 11: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Yurko
      People are just stupid and naive there

      Where are the smart ones?
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 June 2013 12: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Yurko
      Nobody is going to give Crimea to us

      Still, what fell into the hands is holy for all time laughing
      Quote: Yurko
      It's just that the period we have is difficult now, the mafia is in power

      All 20 years, then one mafia, then another. These groups have only one thing in common - they all plundered Crimea almost the same
      1. Yurko
        Yurko 14 June 2013 13: 17 New
        -8
        They fought for Crimea ... or Zaporizhzhya Cossacks fought against the Tatars throughout their history and the question of who made the most for the conquest of Crimea is very controversial, I have my own point of view, of course. But there is only one fact, to say that Crimea is the territory of the Russian Federation, which was foolishly transmitted is a lie. It was the territory of the USSR. And if you look at the entire historical chronology, it was the territory of the Slavs, then the Tatars (different Turkic peoples), grew up. empire, USSR, during the USSR the titular nation changed, was Tatar - it became Russian / Ukrainian. Therefore, to say that the Russian Crimea is biased. Crimea is the territory that the Slavic peoples returned to and Ukrainians did not less than the Russians to conquer this territory, everything else is politics.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 June 2013 15: 36 New
          +2
          Exactly. Crimea is one of the cradles of world civilization. And to make of it a reserve of one nationality is more than stupidity. Fight for him - yes, many fought. But to “fight” and “win” are still somewhat different concepts. And "fooling around with drunkenness" is something completely third. Now the multinational rabble (masquerading as Crimean Tatars) is trying to invent yet another way to invent it - to "get it insolent", maybe it will give a ride? IMHO is unlikely to come out, the territory is by no means wasteful. And the population of political slogans has already eaten up to heartburn, just so you can’t raise it into battle for other people's nishtyaks
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 14 June 2013 21: 40 New
            -2
            this "nationality" as you put it, has every right to own Crimea !!! no one disputes with RUSSIA the right to own Kaliningrad?
            1. aleshka
              aleshka 14 June 2013 21: 43 New
              +1
              I didn’t understand each other, I’m sorry! I read the posts! CRIMEA for RUSSIAN !!!
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 14 June 2013 22: 04 New
                0
                We drove, not a question drinks
            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 14 June 2013 21: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Alesha
              has every right to own Crimea !!
              This is with what joy? They captured the Crimea? No, they came in the train of the Golden Horde. And, having dug in the Crimea, the first thing they tried to do was separate (for which they are not considered by other Tatars and people). Then they served as guides of the expeditionary force during the 1st siege of Sevastopol (i.e., they again betrayed, the history did not preserve the names of the defense participants of the city of this nationality). Following is mass betrayal after the Germans arrived in World War II. Now they are openly conspiring with the separatists in Turkey. Whose side will they take, should the Turkish-Ukrainian conflict arise over the peninsula?
        2. AntonR7
          AntonR7 14 June 2013 17: 21 New
          +3
          There is no logic in your words, but only the words they say in our structure mean ours, they say we also did no less. Crimea was part of the RSFSR and was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR because no one expected the collapse of the Soviet Union thought it was a formality.
        3. aleshka
          aleshka 14 June 2013 21: 23 New
          0
          son learn history, but not from the textbooks "independent" !!!
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 14 June 2013 21: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Alesha
            son teach history

            Wipe the snot before advising

            And walk around the Crimea, even buildings that are already 3 thousand years old are not at all rare here. And this, at a minimum, is a sure sign of a developed society. Can many countries and civilizations boast of this?
            1. aleshka
              aleshka 14 June 2013 21: 36 New
              0
              wipe your snot ???
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 14 June 2013 21: 53 New
                -1
                Don’t pout, keyboard hero, burst
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 14 June 2013 23: 45 New
              -2
              Quote: Misantrop
              And walk around the Crimea, even buildings that are already 3 thousand years old are not at all rare here.

              Son, in addition to history, learn the construction business! No building will stand for 3000 years, and 1000 will not stand. And you won’t get off with any repairs; after two or three hundred years, the foundation is deformed and then only to be scrapped.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 15 June 2013 00: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                No building will stand for 3000 years, and 1000 will not stand.

                If such “pros” build it, I have no doubt. How to utter such nonsense, come to the Crimea and see for yourself. Under Topolevka, the kinassa is more than 2000 years old, from the turn to Planerskoye you can see a church that is older than Feodosia (which celebrated 2500 years in 1975). By the way, part of the walls and towers of the fortress also stands, does not fall. Behind the fortress there is a small church in which Andrew the First-Called (the same one) once served. Can you count age? This is just offhand
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 15 June 2013 00: 56 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  . Under Topolevka kinassas - more than 2000 years

                  You were told that the Topolevskaya kinassa is 2000 years old, you believe in it, but you do not know it.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 15 June 2013 01: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    you believe it, but you don't know it
                    Fortress of Feodosia and Sudak also built last week? And the Egyptian pyramids were completed at the end of the last quarter, right? Therefore, they have already begun to pour a little outside laughing
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 15 June 2013 02: 06 New
                      0
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Fortress of Feodosia and Sudak also built last week? And the Egyptian pyramids were completed at the end of the last quarter, right? Therefore, they have already begun to pour a little outside

                      You are guided by emotions, the pyramids do not crumble "little by little", they have dilapidated for 300 years to such an extent that it is unclear how they stood (supposedly) for millennia.
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 15 June 2013 10: 44 New
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        it is unclear how they stood (allegedly) for millennia

                        Well then, guided by science, tell us when the level of the Black Sea rose. Not a little bit, but a jerk of tens of meters. And how many years can there be a city that as a result of this has gone under water? Such a city was recently found in the Yevpatoriya bay. Yes, and quite ancient Chersonesus was built on the foundations of an even more ancient city, 3/4 hiding under water. From the cape where it is located, in good weather, the location of the quarters is clearly visible
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 15 June 2013 17: 25 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        And how many years can there be a city that as a result of this has gone under water?

                        The fact that part of the city went under water is not an indicator of "antiquity." On the contrary, if you can see the neighborhoods (as you say), then the city is young, the water did not have time to destroy.
                      3. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 15 June 2013 22: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        The fact that part of the city went under water is not an indicator of "antiquity." On the contrary, if you can see the neighborhoods (as you say), then the city is young, the water did not have time to destroy.

                        Now read your quote and answer to the only question asked from the very beginning: "WHEN did this happen? Yesterday, last week? Or several thousand years ago, how unanimously say geologists, geographers and historians? "Are you smarter than ALL professors put together? Or are you just trying to justify your inability to build at least something more or less durable?
    3. piotr534
      piotr534 15 June 2013 02: 16 New
      +1
      They fought for Crimea ... or Zaporizhzhya Cossacks fought against the Tatars throughout their history and the question of who made the most for the conquest of Crimea is very controversial, I have my own point of view, of course. But there is only one fact, to say that Crimea is the territory of the Russian Federation, which was foolishly transmitted is a lie. It was the territory of the USSR. And if you look at the entire historical chronology, it was the territory of the Slavs, then the Tatars (different Turkic peoples), grew up. empire, USSR, during the USSR the titular nation changed, was Tatar - it became Russian / Ukrainian. Therefore, to say that the Russian Crimea is biased. Crimea is the territory that the Slavic peoples returned to and Ukrainians did not less than the Russians to conquer this territory, everything else is politics.
      Lord Well, what nonsense. This is what you learn in Ukraine in Ukraine. You still tell us about the Ukrainian-Turkish war. That's really really human stupidity is limitless. fool Yurko.Yurko
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 14 June 2013 15: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: Yurko
    Nobody is going to give Crimea to us, neither Russia, nor Turkey nor to anyone else

    And Russia is not going to take it - just eliminate the borders, and if you like to limit yourself, then create borders around your home. My small homeland of the USSR and at least the whole big planet!
  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 14 June 2013 17: 18 New
    +1
    Mostly Russians fought in any war in percentage terms because there were always more of us, and most importantly, whoever fought for us, he fought in the interests of Russia, and not the Ukrainian state invented by the West, Khrushchev gave Crimea by stupidity, this error sooner or later will be fixed and no one will ask you.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 14 June 2013 23: 48 New
      0
      Quote: AntonR7
      Khrushchev gave Crimea by stupidity, this error will sooner or later be fixed and no one will ask you.

      You're wrong! Crimea will be returned, but in a different scenario, together with Ukraine.
  • omsbon
    omsbon 14 June 2013 10: 24 New
    +8
    The undercut forest grows again, and the traitors who are not finished are reappearing and their stock must be reduced once and for all.
    Crimea was and will remain Russian!
  • Mairos
    Mairos 14 June 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    the most ridiculous thing is that the Tatars in Crimea are 25%, and they want Crimean Tatar autonomy. What is interesting law? What was the khanate there? so before the khanate there was also something there, Greek city-states, for example. So let them go through the woods. And the khanate itself only lived due to raids, robberies and the slave trade. So let your justification in the opu stick.
    1. viktorR
      viktorR 14 June 2013 12: 12 New
      +3
      No 25% !! no! 10% ejection
    2. aleshka
      aleshka 14 June 2013 19: 15 New
      0
      where 25% comes from, then someone clearly clung to them!
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 14 June 2013 11: 39 New
    +2
    3 January 1942 was the first official solemn meeting of the Tatar Committee in Simferopol. He welcomed the committee and said that the Fuhrer accepted the Tatars' offer to come up with arms in defense of their homeland from the Bolsheviks. The Tatars, ready to take up arms, will be enrolled in the German Wehrmacht, will be provided to everyone and receive a salary on a par with German soldiers.
    After the approval of the general events, the Tatars asked permission to end this first solemn meeting - the beginning of the struggle against the atheists - according to their custom, in prayer, and repeated the following three prayers after their mullah
    The first prayer for achieving an imminent victory and a common goal, as well as for the health and long years of the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler.
    2nd prayer for the German people and their valiant army.
    3rd prayer for the soldiers of the German Wehrmacht who fell in battle.
    Crimean Tatar legions in Crimea (1942) battalions 147-154.
    Many Tatars were used as conductors of punitive units. Separate Tatar units were sent to the Kerch Front and partly to the Sevastopol sector of the front, where they participated in battles against the Red Army.
    As a rule, local “volunteers” were used in one of the following structures
    1. Crimean Tatar units in the German army.
    2. Crimean Tatar punitive and security battalions of SD.
    3. The police and field gendarmerie.
    4. The apparatus of prisons and camps SD.
    A German non-commissioned officer leads the Crimean Tatars, most likely from the “self-defense” police squad (under Wehrmacht jurisdiction)
    Persons of Tatar nationality who served in the punitive bodies and military units of the enemy, were dressed in German uniform and provided with weapons. Persons distinguished in their treacherous activities were appointed by the Germans to command positions.
    Certificate of the High Command of the German Ground Forces of March 20, 1942
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 14 June 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    “The Tatars have a good mood. The German bosses are treated with obedience and are proud if they are recognized in the service or outside. The greatest pride for them is to have the right to wear a German uniform. ”
    After the defeat of Paulus 6 of the German army near Stalingrad, the Theodosia Muslim Committee gathered one million rubles among the Tatars to help the German army. Members of the Muslim committees in their work were guided by the slogan "Crimea only for the Tatars" and spread rumors about the accession of the Crimea to Turkey.
    In 1943, the Turkish emissary Amil Pasha came to Feodosia, who called on the Tatar population to support the events of the German command.
    The remnants of the Crimean Tatar battalions were evacuated by sea. In July, the 1944 of the year in Hungary, of which the Tatar Mining and Chasseur Regiment of the SS was formed, soon deployed in the 1 of the Tatar Mining and Chasseurs Brigade. A number of Crimean Tatars were transferred to France and included in the reserve battalion of the Volga-Tatar Legion. Others, mostly untrained young people, were enrolled in the auxiliary air defense service.
    After the liberation of the Crimea by the Soviet troops, the hour of reckoning came.
    By April 25, 1944, the NKVD-NKGB and Smersh NCO had arrested 4206 anti-Soviet elements, 430 of them were exposed. In addition, 10 people were detained by the NKVD rear protection forces from April 27 to 5.115, including 55 agents German intelligence and counterintelligence agencies, 266 traitors to the motherland and traitors, 363 accomplices and proteges of the enemy, as well as members of punitive detachments.
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 14 June 2013 11: 41 New
    +1
    48 members of Muslim committees were arrested, including Izmailov Apas - chairman of the Karasubazar regional Muslim committee, Batalov Balat - chairman of the Muslim committee of Balaklava district, Ableyiz Belial - chairman of the Muslim committee of Simeiz district, Aliyev Moussa - chairman of the Muslim committee of Zuya district.
    Revealed and arrested a significant number of persons from the enemy agents, henchmen and accomplices of the German fascist invaders.
    In the city of Sudak, the chairman of the regional Muslim committee Umerov Vekir was arrested, who confessed that on the instructions of the Germans he organized a volunteer detachment from the kulak-criminal element and led an active struggle against the partisans.
    In 1942, during the landing of our landing force near the town of Feodosiya, Umerov's detachment detained 12 Red Army paratroopers and burned them alive. 30 people were arrested in connection with the case.
    The traitor Abibulaev Jafar was arrested in the city of Bakhchisaray, who voluntarily joined the punitive battalion created by the Germans in 1942. For an active struggle against Soviet patriots, Abibulaev was appointed commander of a punitive platoon and executed the execution of civilians suspected of having partisans.
    Field court Abibulayev sentenced to death by hanging.
    In the Dzhankoysky district, a group was arrested among three Tatars who, on the instructions of the German intelligence service, in March 1942, were poisoned by Roma in the 200 gas chamber.
    As of 7 May this year. 5381 arrested persons of enemy agents, traitors to the Motherland, accomplices of the German fascist invaders and another anti-Soviet element.
    The weapons of 5395 rifles, 337 machine guns, 250 machine guns, 31 mortar and a large number of grenades and rifle cartridges illegally stored by the population are seized ...
    By 1944, more than 20 thousand Tatars deserted from the Red Army units, who changed the Motherland, went to serve the Germans and fought against the Red Army with weapons in their hands ..
    Considering the treacherous actions of the Crimean Tatars against the Soviet people and based on the undesirability of the further residence of the Crimean Tatars on the border outskirts of the Soviet Union, the NKVD of the USSR submits for your consideration a draft decision of the State Defense Committee on the eviction of all Tatars from the Crimea.
    We consider it expedient to resettle the Crimean Tatars as special settlers in the areas of the Uzbek SSR for use in work both in agriculture - collective farms, state farms, and in industry and construction. The issue of the settlement of Tatars in the Uzbek SSR was agreed with the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Uzbekistan, t. Yusupov.
    People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic L. Beria 10.05.44.
    The next day, May 11, 1944, the State Defense Committee adopted decree No. 5859 on “On Crimean Tatars”
    1. Nikolski1973
      Nikolski1973 14 June 2013 12: 57 New
      +2
      Lavrenty was somehow soft.
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 14 June 2013 11: 41 New
    +3
    48 members of Muslim committees were arrested, including Izmailov Apas - chairman of the Karasubazar regional Muslim committee, Batalov Balat - chairman of the Muslim committee of Balaklava district, Ableyiz Belial - chairman of the Muslim committee of Simeiz district, Aliyev Moussa - chairman of the Muslim committee of Zuya district.
    Revealed and arrested a significant number of persons from the enemy agents, henchmen and accomplices of the German fascist invaders.
    In the city of Sudak, the chairman of the regional Muslim committee Umerov Vekir was arrested, who confessed that on the instructions of the Germans he organized a volunteer detachment from the kulak-criminal element and led an active struggle against the partisans.
    In 1942, during the landing of our landing force near the town of Feodosiya, Umerov's detachment detained 12 Red Army paratroopers and burned them alive. 30 people were arrested in connection with the case.
    The traitor Abibulaev Jafar was arrested in the city of Bakhchisaray, who voluntarily joined the punitive battalion created by the Germans in 1942. For an active struggle against Soviet patriots, Abibulaev was appointed commander of a punitive platoon and executed the execution of civilians suspected of having partisans.
    Field court Abibulayev sentenced to death by hanging.
    In the Dzhankoysky district, a group was arrested among three Tatars who, on the instructions of the German intelligence service, in March 1942, were poisoned by Roma in the 200 gas chamber.
    As of 7 May this year. 5381 arrested persons of enemy agents, traitors to the Motherland, accomplices of the German fascist invaders and another anti-Soviet element.
    The weapons of 5395 rifles, 337 machine guns, 250 machine guns, 31 mortar and a large number of grenades and rifle cartridges illegally stored by the population are seized ...
    By 1944, more than 20 thousand Tatars deserted from the Red Army units, who changed the Motherland, went to serve the Germans and fought against the Red Army with weapons in their hands ..
    Considering the treacherous actions of the Crimean Tatars against the Soviet people and based on the undesirability of the further residence of the Crimean Tatars on the border outskirts of the Soviet Union, the NKVD of the USSR submits for your consideration a draft decision of the State Defense Committee on the eviction of all Tatars from the Crimea.
    We consider it expedient to resettle the Crimean Tatars as special settlers in the areas of the Uzbek SSR for use in work both in agriculture - collective farms, state farms, and in industry and construction. The issue of the settlement of Tatars in the Uzbek SSR was agreed with the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Uzbekistan, t. Yusupov.
    People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic L. Beria 10.05.44.
    The next day, May 11, 1944, the State Defense Committee adopted decree No. 5859 on “On Crimean Tatars”
  • pensioner
    pensioner 14 June 2013 12: 02 New
    +4
    On the issue of the return of Crimea, it is time to completely move from words to deeds. Schemes have long been worked out. Support for the bulk of the Crimean population in this matter is (sort of). It remains only to start the mechanisms (exclusively democratic - the teachers are good). And then spread your arms and say: "What are we? It is itself ...".
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 14 June 2013 21: 35 New
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      Quote: retired
      . Support for the bulk of the Crimean population in this matter is (sort of).

      And without "like" there is ...
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  • crambol
    crambol 14 June 2013 12: 42 New
    +4
    the tragedy of 1944 was really nothing more than a punishment for the traitors for aiding the fascists.


    With the outbreak of war in the territory of Crimea, secret bases were organized with weapons, ammunition, food for guerrilla operations. Almost all of these bases were transferred to the Nazis by the Tatars.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 14 June 2013 13: 00 New
    +2
    "..... And only this people has the right to self-determination here ............" so it turns out - Crimean Tatars --- Nazis .......
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 June 2013 15: 40 New
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      Quote: stroporez
      so it turns out-Crimean Tatars --- Nazis .....

      Is this news for you? By the way, look for how the Astrakhan and Kazan Tatars relate to them (and why). Learn a lot of interesting things ... lol
  • Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 14 June 2013 13: 05 New
    +2
    Everything is empty, but they served the Nazis, so what? If they shot Jews then yes! And so they fought against the Slavs. Understand that for Europe Ukraine, Russia, Belorussia are always enemies, in any case. And she, this corrupt homosyatka Europe will do everything to make these countries worse, tear off a piece of territory. And they (I repeat) these 12% will be what NATO will climb into Ukraine for.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 14 June 2013 13: 14 New
      +2
      I'm talking about the fact that they are still fascists, and do not hide it. They are probably the only Tatar Dyntyryans, all the rest ---- it ..........
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 June 2013 15: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: Oberst_71
      Everything is empty, but they served the Nazis, so what? If they shot Jews then yes!
      Is it necessary? No problem wink If you leave Simferopol in the direction of Feodosia, then to the left of the highway in the lowland immediately after the turn to Trudovoy there is a small monument to the executed Jews of Simferopol. But the Germans had no time to do this. Guess three times who helped them in this difficult task ...
  • chertjaga
    chertjaga 14 June 2013 14: 26 New
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    Judging by the photo, hardly 1 yew gathered at the rally. participants, not 30-40 yew.

    Whatever it was, but if the Ukrainian government does not conduct a balanced and thoughtful policy towards the Crimea, then the consequences of such behavior can be deplorable ...

    In my opinion, politics is the most balanced one: they appointed Mogilev to govern the Crimea, and did not begin to grow political leaders; and the second sending of Mustafa Dzhemilev to "retire", largely due to the following event http://kp.ua/daily/130613/399025/

    And representatives of Russia say that the decision to transfer Crimea from the Russian Federation to Ukraine, which was adopted almost 60 years ago, was illegal.

    Of course illegal, 100500 decisions of the USSR were legal, and one “wrong” is illegal
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 15 June 2013 00: 04 New
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      Quote: chertjaga
      Judging by the photo, hardly 1 yew gathered at the rally. participants, not 30-40 yew.

      Actually there were several hundred, even a thousand people pressed this small area so that there was no place to put a match ...
  • Opera
    Opera 14 June 2013 16: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Yurko
    But there is only one fact, to say that Crimea is the territory of the Russian Federation, which was foolishly transmitted is a lie. It was the territory of the USSR. And if you look at the entire historical chronology, then

    ... then some states and even in the present borders there you will not find with fire in the afternoon!
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 14 June 2013 19: 07 New
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      learn history! it was precisely the territory of the RSFSR!
    2. aleshka
      aleshka 14 June 2013 19: 10 New
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      SORRY replied to the quote !!!
  • knn54
    knn54 14 June 2013 18: 17 New
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    1. According to Convention No. 169, the following are considered indigenous:
    "Peoples leading a tribal lifestyle in independent countries whose social, cultural and economic conditions distinguish them from other ethnic groups whose position is governed in whole or in part by their own customs and traditions. Or peoples in independent countries that are considered indigenous because "that they are the descendants of those who inhabited a country or geographical area during its conquest or colonization, or during the establishment of existing borders, and which, regardless of their legal status, retain their social, economic, cultural and political institutions."
    The main feature that distinguishes the indigenous people is the preservation of traditional life support systems, especially special forms of economic activity, namely hunting, fishing, gathering, reindeer husbandry, etc. Nomadic cattle breeding, inherent in the Tatars in the Middle Ages, does not fall under this list, since by the beginning of the 1989th century it had practically disappeared. According to the 70 census, Crimean Tatars were XNUMX% urban residents. Today's Tatars are mainly traders / entrepreneurs, with a layer of intelligentsia ...
    They appeared on the Crimean land ONLY in 1223 as conquerors, almost completely destroying the Crimean steppes that inhabited them — the Polovtsy / Kumans.
    That is, the concept of “indigenous people”, according to the UN convention (and not only), cannot be applied to the Crimean Tatars.
    2. NEVER the Tatars constituted the MOST of the population in ALL of its regions.
    According to censuses conducted by Turkey at the end of the XVI century. among residents of Kafa province (Turkish province in Crimea), Muslims made up only 3 to 5 percent of the population. The Greeks (up to 80%), Armenians and others prevailed.
    Before WWII there were less than 20% of them. Now even less.
    3. According to the Kuchuk-Kainardzhsky peace treaty of 1774 between Russia and Turkey, the Crimean Khanate was declared INDEPENDENT of Turkey.
    In 1783, the LEGITIMATE head of state, the Crimean Khan Shagin-Girey, petitioned Russia to accept Crimea into the Russian Empire, on the basis of which, according to the manifesto of Catherine II, the khanate was abolished, and Crimea annexed to Russia. Thus, from a legal point of view, there was NO CONQUEST or Capture of Crimea by Russia.
    All the creeps of Dzhemilev (who was sitting during the Soviet era for the rape of a minor) and his ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL Mejlis (which was never counted in the history of the Tatar people for several months in 1918) should be considered SEPARATISM and SHOULD be prosecuted according to the legislation of Ukraine.
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 14 June 2013 19: 03 New
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      Well, let’s say Shagin-Giraya kicked this request !!! Alexander Vasilich tried very hard !!!
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  • aleshka
    aleshka 14 June 2013 19: 00 New
    +1
    Krymchaks killed and led into Russian slaves for 200 years, so Comrade Stalin treated them very gently !!! CRIMEA should be RUSSIAN !!! Let the coffin in the coffin spin as the propeller !!!
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  • crambol
    crambol 14 June 2013 20: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Alesha
    CRIMEA should be RUSSIAN !!!


    But will we not get a time bomb with him? It was a sinful thing for me to think that N.S.Kh. foresaw such a development of the situation and decided to get rid of Crimea in advance.
    1. family
      family tree 14 June 2013 20: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: crambol
      But will we not get a time bomb with him?

      We will not receive. There are no conditions. The terrain is not conducive and there is no absolute support for the population.
    2. aleshka
      aleshka 14 June 2013 21: 25 New
      -1
      a good proverb is "don't be afraid to give teeth in your mouth !!"
  • sprut
    sprut 14 June 2013 20: 59 New
    0
    Send them again, just do not understand why they were sent! Not only were they given the right to return, but they still had the audacity to scoop up their demands.
  • OLEG_66
    OLEG_66 14 June 2013 21: 03 New
    +1
    I read and marvel. But what about those Tatars who fought? My grandfather Asferov Asan Mamutovich during the war was the intelligence commander of the Sudak partisan detachment, hanged in Semferopol, his brother was synchronized near Krymsky in 1943. They are also traitors ???
    As for the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, such as those who fought with the Crimeans, they are all on the orders of Catherine all in the Kuban from the 18th century
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 14 June 2013 21: 33 New
      +2
      Oleg, no one even says that all Tatars are bad !!! but there is a betrayal behind the Crimeans! and now they are aligned under one !!! by the way, there were no such problems with the Kazan and Bashkir Tatars !!
  • OLEG_66
    OLEG_66 14 June 2013 22: 04 New
    +1
    Do not talk nonsense. Traitors were among all peoples and among Russians and Ukrainians and Caucasian peoples and the same Kuban Cossacks.
    1. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 16: 48 New
      0
      What does it mean "Do not talk nonsense. Traitors were among all nations" they tell you about the percentage.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 14 June 2013 22: 11 New
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    Quote: OLEG_66
    All nations had traitors
    It is true that everyone had traitors, the only question is the percentage ratio ... And among the Crimean Tatars there were wonderful people and patriots. Together with his grandmother’s brothers, three Crimean Tatars fought in the Yalta partisan detachment. From the beginning to the liberation of Crimea. Amet-Khan Sultan was an excellent pilot and also did not fight for the Germans. The last Crimea-Girey engineer built the Panama Canal and was the chief engineer for the construction of the White Sea-Baltic. And then he created the mining industry in the republics of Central Asia. But against the backdrop of many thousands of others ... sad
  • OLEG_66
    OLEG_66 14 June 2013 22: 15 New
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    And who considered this data as? Judging by this, then most of all the Germans who sided with it were Ukrainians
    1. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 15 June 2013 16: 47 New
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      The data has long been known, and not “if” there are specific numbers.
    2. kukara4an
      kukara4an 17 June 2013 21: 10 New
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      Not certainly in that way. This opinion was formed due to the activities of the OUN.
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 15 June 2013 14: 24 New
    +2
    The deportation of Crimean Tatars was the same logical step of the USSR as the genocide of Armenians and Greeks in the Ottoman Empire or as the internment of Japanese Americans in the United States in World War II.
    nobody needs a potential, but rather a real fifth column, especially in wartime.
    the difference in the methods of repression used was dictated by demographic indicators: 200 thousand Crimean Tatars versus 100 million Russians, 4 million Greeks and Armenians against 7 million Turks, 130 thousand Japanese versus 130 million Americans.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 16 June 2013 01: 00 New
    0
    deportation is not a measure, it was necessary to judge the traitors
  • mokeichev81
    mokeichev81 20 June 2014 04: 00 New
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    Great Ukrainians will soon travel to the Crimea, like Poland, to clean the toilets and not rest.