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Do not spit in the well ... you can and ogrestiGood day. First of all, I want to thank you for the feedback on the previous article about a friend who is known in trouble. Secondly, very briefly supplement the article with a link, which for some reason was not identified under the article (information was taken from the article “Assad refused a World Bank loan for 21 billion dollars” http://postskriptum.me/) and, therefore, The World Bank knows this. This is one of the comments: “Does the World Bank know about its proposal?” I would like to add to this information that Assad in this interview stated bluntly that with his proposal the World Bank wants to crush the most tasty contracts in Syria. Well, the very fact of such a treatment, in my opinion, is vivid evidence that bankers (and these are very cautious and far-reaching ghosts) ultimately put on Assad. And they - these rogues - always put on the winner. And thirdly, I would like to voice the thoughts that came as a result of heated debates around the topic of the presence of Russian Iskander on the territory of Armenia - a republic that is our partner and ally in the CSTO (this is the first) and a country that Conscious of its vulnerability to an unfriendly neighbor, it sees in the Russian power not only a strong guarantor in the sphere of Armenia’s interests, but also a generous comrade who does not look at a small republic as a vassal. This is the second.


Let's not go into the discussion of the causes of the Karabakh conflict itself, which has become an insurmountable obstacle of today between once-friendly nations that have been able for stories somehow get along with each other. In the conditions of today's political realities, the conflict between the two republics, which could otherwise have been arrested within narrow geographic boundaries and reduced to mutual pranks, today threatens the situation in the entire region, and in the future could become a spark for the world military the fire. Therefore, this question and this situation cannot be ignored by such a political player as the Russian Federation. Like the United States, Russia has the right to declare and define the zone of its interests without thinking about the self-appointed world “beholder” represented by the States. Therefore, it has the right to make efforts to ensure a stable situation in its border zone. Hence the tireless efforts to stabilize the situation, hence the actions to support its allies and partners. And, naturally, this cannot cause in other countries - “non-partners” - a rejection reaction. Such a reaction happened to our neighbors - the Republic of Azerbaijan.


It should be recalled that throughout the entire post-Soviet period, the often changing Russian leadership has invariably made efforts for more or less good-neighborly relations with Azerbaijan. And this was possible not only thanks to the Russian presidents, but also for economic reasons. No one had any desire to prove their point of view by force, since the collapse of the USSR brought ruin to all the once Soviet republics. As they say - Not to fat, I would live. But, as time went on, the economy gained momentum and, of course, began to break through and thoughts not only about the declared independence, but also the approval of this independence de facto - as full economic and political independence. This is quite understandable - the small republics that are in political and economic (here - everything is relative) dependency very much wanted to feel like values ​​and subjects of independent politics. Is it worth it to condemn? By no means. But, the problem is that some of the republics that became independent limited themselves to their existing borders at the time of the collapse of the USSR, and some, due to various (including purely ambitious) reasons, set out to redistribute these very borders. And such cases without conflicts, as world practice has shown, are not enough. It is to this kind of conflict that I relate the conflict between the two republics - Azerbaijan and Armenia.

I repeat - I am not going to analyze the causes of this conflict, but just want to indicate Russia's position on this issue (as I see it) and justify the steps taken by our leadership, who has created new political realities in this explosive region.


Old-timers of the site may recall that a couple of years ago, when they discussed this issue again on one of the branches of the VO Forum, I, in an attempt to defend Russia's steps in this matter, said that ideally unleashing the entire tangle of stratified contradictions is unlikely that it can Only Putin can solve this situation and if he manages to cut this Gordian knot without blood and finally bury this conflict, then he has the right to be called a political genius. About this - a little later.

Unfortunately, time has shown that at the moment this question is still waiting to be resolved. But what happened in the past few months, gives reason to believe that, to some extent, Putin has managed to solve this issue, if not solve it, then put him into a corner for better times without the risk that much blood will be shed in the region.

What I mean. This is due to its constant efforts to assert itself in its independence, numerous unspoken alliances, first with Iran, then with Turkey and NATO (the appetite comes with eating), with its eternal fears that the Kremlin will lay its palm on Baku’s oil wealth and, with its calculations, join “The brotherly family of European peoples”, the Republic of Azerbaijan crossed that unsteady line separating good neighborliness from the polite and tolerant neighborhood that had developed before that. And this allowed the eternal opponents of Russia, seizing the string, to unleash a whole bunch of contradictions between Baku and Moscow. How can I condemn the policy pursued by I. Aliyev? He does what his understanding of the independence of his country tells him. The only thing he forgot about was that his father, the respected G. Aliyev, always avoided considering Russia as a potential adversary. And until recently, Russia has made relentless efforts so that such relations do not appear and do not continue. But, those actions that Azerbaijan has taken in recent years, namely: - increased build-up of its military potential under the rhetoric of revenge on Karabakh, constant pressure on Russia to intervene in the conflict from the position of one of the parties (of course, more preferable - Azerbaijan), curtailing programs cooperation in the field of collective security, flirting with NATO (this was especially clearly shown in the days of the escalation of the Iran-NATO confrontation two years ago) expressed in the provision of oih airfields, as jump airfields for bombing Iran. And do not say that this was not. There was info about it was widely available. But - there was no conflict and - thank God, but "the sediment - remained." One could not diplomatically notice this either. However, the desire for final independence (although - much more final! We have our own wedding, you have our own!) It was incumbent on Baku to demonstrate its sovereignty to the Russian leadership (and on other assumptions - to demonstrate its loyalty to overseas friends) to the fullest and wanted to do it through the rent of the Gabala radar. Well then - you have every right, your territory. But, only such a sharp increase in fees (we can say it is unprecedented and rhetoric about protecting the environment, which cannot help but bring a smile) is more like twisting your arms with the goal of eliminating in any way the balance of NATO efforts in the Caucasus. That is - a direct advancing to Russia's direct rivals in this region. Well, and how then do Russia relate to this? Continue to smile and pretend, "sho and bulo?" Maybe it would be if Russia was still in that half-fainting state, into which its reformers of the Yeltsin epic drove. But - times have changed. Russia has reappeared the sphere of its interests, which it intends to defend. This area also includes the Mediterranean point of support (in broad transcription - the base) fleet in Syria - Tartus. And it was necessary to happen that a small but proud Syria (the analogy with the “small but proud bird ...” from the movie “Prisoner of the Caucasus” suggests itself), the same thing, fell into the sphere of interests of the USA! Ocaziya - however. And another opportunity is that Russia showed obstinacy and did not want to subordinate its interests to the interests of the states. Conflict of interest, gentlemen ...

It was here that the background inspired by official Baku with respect to Russia was fully revealed. At a time when Moscow was preoccupied with the support of its Syrian ally, Baku set out (by itself, with the filing of new overseas friends) to strike Russia under its thumb. No matter how hard the parties tried, in keeping with diplomatic etiquette, they could not find a stalemate, they didn’t find any points of contact, and Russia liberated the “occupied” (according to some Western “experts”) territory. The principles of proud Azerbaijan passed on Moscow’s stubbornness. Grace. But, the tangle of contradictions between Yerevan and Baku could not go anywhere, and Baku came very close to resolving this issue in the traditions of Julius Caesar - slash at this unfortunate node with a sword and - the end.

It is here, my friends, and we should remember the fact of the appearance of Iskander OTRK at the Russian base in Gyumri. Unwittingly, our “Azerbaijani partners” have put into the hands of Putin a tool for a temporary solution to the Karabakh issue. No, Putin did not appear as a genius who decided this chronic conflict once and for all to the greater joy of the conflicting parties, but he managed to push this question for the period necessary for Russia until the more “red-hot” and urgent problems were solved - butt in the Middle East. If Russian complexes did not appear now in Armenia, who could guarantee that this summer Azerbaijan did not even think to try to prove its case with the strength of its armed forces? And now - this is almost a 100% guarantee that at this period in the Caucasus, the underbelly of Russia will be, albeit a relative one, but the world. And there, you see, we will return to this question.

So - peace to us, guys, on our near borders and good luck in our good work of supporting the fraternal, Syrian people.
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 June 2013 06: 28 New
    +9
    Any discussion of any conflict, idle chatter. All the same, everything will be as politicians decide. Who will argue that if tomorrow the leaders of Azeibardzhan and Armenia gathered and decided to forget everything and stop the feud, if provocations were firmly and soon stopped on both sides, then I would be sure there would not have been a Karabakh problem in a year.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 June 2013 07: 06 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      if provocations were firmly and soon suppressed from both sides, I’m sure that in a year there would be no Karabakh problem.


      Unfortunately, this wound will bleed for a long time, and there will be a lot of euro-vultures and amero-jackals who, at the direction of the Middle Eastern circumcised aspids, will pick this wound to make it scarring more slowly.
      1. Orel
        Orel 13 June 2013 07: 37 New
        +9
        It’s necessary to somehow resolve this conflict, as the practice of “frozen conflict” sooner or later again leads to war ...
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      3. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 13 June 2013 07: 46 New
        +6
        This conflict is heated not from far away, but by local elites. Who can convincingly answer why Azeibardzhan keeps an army with Karabakh, maybe there is evidence that Armenia plans to attack and chop off another piece. There are no such plans, it means a logical conclusion, Azeibardzhan wants revenge, and by force regain Karabakh. What is all this for? So everything is simple when there is a hotbed of tension, you can cover up all the bumps in domestic politics with another aggravation. To divert public opinion aside, to warm up nationalist sentiments. So everyone who is not friends with logic can put cons, although I don’t see the point in this when there is nothing to say minus this is just some kind of childhood.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 20 New
          -4
          Quote: vladsolo56
          This conflict is heated not from far away, but by local elites. Who can convincingly answer why Azeibardzhan keeps an army with Karabakh, maybe there is evidence that Armenia plans to attack and chop off another piece. There are no such plans, it means a logical conclusion, Azeibardzhan wants revenge, and by force regain Karabakh.

          what does revenge mean ???
          Why if Russia were in the position of Azerbaijan, it would be a counterterrorist operation for you and the liberation of the occupied territories, and if it concerns Azerbaijan, is this a desire for revenge ????
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 13 June 2013 08: 28 New
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            Let's compare, for example, Chechnya and Karabakh. Since you insist so. After the defeat of the gangs, by the way, often controlled from abroad and filled with mercenaries. What did the Chechens get? discrimination, can humiliation? What happens if the Azerbaijani troops enter Karabakh? Yes, I’m almost sure that there will be a scenario following the example of South Ossetian when Georgian soldiers entered, and then with all the consequences, if you think differently, convince that this is not so.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 50 New
              -8
              Quote: vladsolo56
              What happens if the Azerbaijani troops enter Karabakh?

              may the Armenians run away, and then when they settle down, they will gradually grow back to life !!
              And they will run away because so many atrocities have been done that they cannot imagine how to forgive such a thing ?? here is a small example!
              http://open.az/index.php?cstart=6&newsid=2478
              Now from 10 to 30 thousand Armenians live in Baku !!
              Your question is incomprehensible to me ?? And then what I wrote above?
              1. vladsolo56
                vladsolo56 13 June 2013 08: 56 New
                +7
                You have not answered my question. How many Armenians were there in Karabakh before the start of the conflict? how many do you think should remain in Karabakh after? In South Ossetia, many tried to escape, so what? they were shot from everything that shoots. Of course, Georgians stubbornly argue that this was not. The dispute who started has no prospects, it is necessary to finish everything together and at the same time
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 13 June 2013 09: 59 New
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                  Quote: vladsolo56
                  how many do you think should remain in Karabakh after?



                  who had a residence permit before the conflict began and their children are grandchildren ... the residents of Azerbaijan will decide. and Armenian nationality ......
                  by the way about the policy of Russia ... she herself was tired of feeding Armenia ... not in vain Lavrov said, it is unacceptable to maintain the status quo ...... this is beneficial for Armenia .... because it itself is in blockade ... ...
                  and it is beneficial for the Armenian authorities not to do anything for the sake of the country's economy .. and sit on the neck of a rich uncle and shout while protecting the interests of Russia .... hi
              2. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 09: 21 New
                +7
                Quote: Yarbay
                And they will run away because so many atrocities have been done that they can’t imagine how to forgive such a thing?


                Are you “white and fluffy”?

                But such speeches should not be! Yes because
                "made" atrocities alone (scoundrels, hirelings) and should ANSWER others be innocent?
                This is the whole SECRET!
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 13 June 2013 09: 32 New
                  -2
                  Similarly, Zheglov’s words “a thief should be in prison” or Cato “Carthage must be destroyed” 4 UN resolutions, the recognition of ALL countries of the world, INCLUDING RUSSIA, requires that “Karabakh and 7 districts (and this is 20% of the country's territory) should be freed! " this is the solution to the problem and the guarantor of stability in the region.
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 50 New
                  -2
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Are you “white and fluffy”?

                  of course!
                  White and fluffy!
                  If there are facts to the contrary, give it!
                  What only Russia can be white and fluffy?
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  But such speeches should not be! Yes because
                  "made" atrocities alone (scoundrels, hirelings) and should ANSWER others be innocent?

                  I did not say that others should answer !!
                  My desire to see those animals in the dock!
                  1. nickname 1 and 2
                    nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 10: 13 New
                    +6
                    This is yours and above ///// let the Armenians run away, and then when they settle down, they will slowly rise back !!
                    And they will run away because so many atrocities have been done that they can’t imagine how to forgive such a thing? /////

                    “They will run away” and they will “come back” = and will we JUDGE them? there is no such!


                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I did not say that others should answer!


                    But if by force, then the innocent will answer!

                    Quote: Yarbay
                    My desire to see those animals in the dock!


                    And who does not allow demanding an international trial of the killers? Or Karabakh does not issue? And in what case is it POSSIBLE? Only if there are "similar adequate actions"!

                    It is known in world practice that in a conflict - "the actions of the opposing side appear ALWAYS more HARDER and HARTER than their own." ALAS!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 13 June 2013 10: 20 New
                      -4
                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      But if by force, then the innocent will answer!

                      Those who do not want to leave peacefully will answer, and rightly so!
                      1. nickname 1 and 2
                        nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 10: 47 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Quote: nick 1 and 2
                        But if by force, then the innocent will answer!

                        Those who do not want to leave peacefully will answer, and rightly so!


                        Why should they leave?
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Now from 10 to 30 thousand Armenians live in Baku !!

                        And those in Karabakh, how will you sort them? Pay for the first second!
                        Everyone move out?
                        You will be the "invaders"! Tomorrow, the day after tomorrow - WHO ARE THE AZERBAIJANIS - INVASORS IN KARABAKH!
                        Well, there’s nowhere to go from this!
                    2. arturs
                      arturs 14 June 2013 11: 24 New
                      0
                      And who does not allow demanding an international trial of the killers? Or Karabakh does not issue? And in what case is it POSSIBLE? Only if there are "similar adequate actions"!


                      for me this is one of the most interesting questions. all over the world they shout about the Khojaly / or, more precisely, the Agdam / events, but do not dare to appeal to the international tribunal. Arif Yunusov says that Azerbaijanis are naive and do not understand the importance of going to court. laughter and nothing more. but they don’t turn because many unpleasant things will emerge.
                  2. nickname 1 and 2
                    nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 10: 24 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    What only Russia can be white and fluffy?


                    Yes! Where only ours did not cut?

                    Are we doing “presentations” to someone?

                    And at that time, the Armenians (of course = cunning guys) made a “horse move” in the turmoil - we’ll separate!
                    Did the special services take advantage of this? Fact! You know that for sure!
                    You, both nations, are the victims!
                    (the same as we are with Ukraine!)

                    No need to keep evil! It so happened.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 13 June 2013 10: 38 New
                      -2
                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      No need to keep evil! It so happened.

                      that sounds silly to me!
                      I really hope I did not offend you, but honestly I was looking for a word for a long time to write!
                      Do not take to yourself personally!
                      1. nickname 1 and 2
                        nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 11: 03 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        that sounds silly to me!


                        in fact of the matter! We Russians never take revenge! Our guys were killed in many foreign lands.
                        And WE are Russians, not one of them was captive!

                        And always the people had words and tears of forgiveness!
                        So it happened! Let him live! He did it with a fool! He, a fool, has small children, his mother is elderly!

                        Somehow it can also from the fact that we can’t do LITTLE! Type - revenge, but slightly!
                        There are many examples in history - LITTLE SEEED ANYONE!
                        SO WHAT BEFORE TIME - DO NOT REVENGE!
                        Is it stupid? like these ones....
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 13 June 2013 12: 00 New
                        -13
                        Quote: nick 1 and 2
                        in fact of the matter! We Russians never take revenge!

                        You write nonsense !!
                        It was not necessary then to fight with Germany in the Second World War !!
                        It was not necessary to cut the Shapsugs, Circassians !!
                        Whom did you forgive ??
                        Or aliens bombed hundreds of thousands of Chechens ??
                        Good)))
            2. Corneli
              Corneli 13 June 2013 20: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              may the Armenians run away, and then when they settle down, they will gradually grow back to life !!
              And they will run away because so many atrocities have been done that they cannot imagine how to forgive such a thing ?? here is a small example!
              http://open.az/index.php?cstart=6&newsid=2478
              Now from 10 to 30 thousand Armenians live in Baku !!
              Your question is incomprehensible to me ?? And then what I wrote above?

              Dear, Yarbey. I can’t adequately judge what’s going on in Karabakh, but I know a LOT of Azerbaijani immigrants in Kiev! (My Russian wife’s classmate friend introduced her relatives). And for some reason they are fleeing from prosperous Azerbaijan to the "under-state of Ukraine" (the last case, I know, literally a couple of months ago was ... how so?)
              P.S. I’m not talking about “criminal” people, not about “refugees”, they’re quite normal people ... many have a good job, in Ukraine (not in the market)), specialties ... but in their homeland, they are afraid to live! Why?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 13 June 2013 20: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: Corneli
                Dear Yarbey

                Hello!
                I know that people leave for various reasons, but no less come !!
                I invite you and anyone who wants to come and is ready to show you everything that interests you! I guarantee hospitality and cordiality!
                with respect!
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 13 June 2013 21: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: Corneli
                Atom I know a BIG number of Azerbaijani immigrants in Kiev! (


                A family from Vologorad moved to our Ganja ... 3 children .. bought an apartment here ... they arranged a business ... I asked them ... why did we come .. because many people go to Russia ... so they tell me They answered - you have to live there. Where you like it))) and where you fully realize your abilities ... hi
                I can also meet a question - many Russians and Ukrainians go to Cyprus. to Greece .. although there is a crisis there and successfully do business .. not to mention Germany ......
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 June 2013 08: 54 New
            0
            Vladsolo, you, as the late Brezhnev, will never learn how to pronounce “Azerbaijan.” Moreover, Chechens or others. And why threaten a country that just wants to free its land. It would be strange during the Second World War that other powers would threaten the USSR “BECAUSE IT WANTS TO TAKE REVENGE AND RELEASE A POL-COUNTRY. "
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2013 09: 40 New
              +4
              He is not threatening. He states a fact: the only opportunity for you in this matter is a political settlement. When you try to solve the problem by force, you will deal with the Russian Army.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: Spade
                deal with the Russian Army.



                as far as I know .... the people of Russia YOU have not yet elected the President and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces ... laughing
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 10: 45 New
                  +8
                  As far as i know is our the state fulfills its allied obligations. Yeltsin’s days have passed. And therefore do not try, like the Georgians, to hope for the lack of reaction from Russia.

                  Quote: smersh70
                  as far as I know .... the people of Russia YOU have not yet elected the President and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces ...

                  The fact is that I elected the president of Russia, I choose, and I will choose. And not you. And therefore do not stick your nose into something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.
                  1. kotdavin4i
                    kotdavin4i 13 June 2013 11: 56 New
                    +2
                    Good afternoon, dear. let me correct you, Russia is an ally of the Republic of Armenia, BUT it does not have any alliance agreements with the UNRECOGNIZED Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (which DE JURE is part of the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan), Azerbaijan is not going to fight with Armenia - we just want to return OUR 7 ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED DISTRICTS.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 19 New
                      +2
                      Armed conflict cannot be limited to NK. In addition, an attack on military units, ships, ships and aircraft is also an attack on the state.
                    2. kotdavin4i
                      kotdavin4i 13 June 2013 12: 31 New
                      +3
                      but tell me - WHY the military units and aircraft of the Republic of Armenia are in the conflict zone in the NKR - IF Armenia DOESN’T RECOGNIZE THE KARABAKH REPUBLIC ???
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 37 New
                      +5
                      I have no idea. These are their military units and aircraft. And any aggressive acts against them will cause a reaction from Russia.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 04 New
                -1
                The fact is that I elected the president of Russia, I choose, and I will choose. And not you. And therefore do not stick your nose into something that has absolutely nothing to do with you. [/ Quote]

                read well .. I said that YOU have not yet been elected President .. and the President is elected by Russian citizens who have the right to vote, probably including you ... THAT is the difference .....
                and about the nose - please choose the correct word ...... hi
              3. IRBIS
                IRBIS 13 June 2013 13: 39 New
                +8
                Quote: Spade
                our state fulfills its allied obligations

                I am a Russian officer (though in reserve) and I never wanted to fulfill allied obligations in relation to Armenia. And I would not advise everyone to defend any people who think of Russians as simple-minded fools. They had the "courage" at one time with the tacit support to say "A", now let them defend their ambitions. What does Russia have to do with it ???
                About duty is not necessary, something we always and everyone should something ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 45 New
                  +3
                  CSTO is not a duty. This is a matter of security for our country. Creation of a buffer zone around its borders.
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  I, Russian officer



                  hi Respect and Respect !!!!
              4. SCS
                SCS 13 June 2013 15: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: Spade
                And therefore do not stick your nose into something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

                Shovels, this is me not only in you, but to all forum users! Guys, here I read such comments and become sickening ... how did we all manage to wash our heads so! after all, some 30 years ago we were citizens of one great power, did one common big thing, and fought off enemies together too ... how so? I understand politics ... I understand that the legal border between us is now ... but how, how could our souls and concepts change so much ????? that, perhaps even at that time, we treated each other, let's say, badly!
                we have one common story, to live, work, relax and defend ourselves, we must all together!
                and we must have one goal! and the very first is ASSOCIATION !!!!!!
                Guys, good luck to everyone in business and good health !!! hi
          3. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 June 2013 12: 24 New
            -1
            Dear Lopatov, before answering, at least think what’s what. Since when does the territory of Karabakh belong to Russia? And why on earth does a country whose territorial integrity is recognized by Russia itself have no right to liberate its territories, "otherwise it will deal with the Russian army." Where do you see the logic here?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 33 New
              +4
              It is not a matter of who and what belongs. Here it is in the CSTO. Russia will preserve this organization by any means.
              The Armenian authorities on time fussed, joining this military-political bloc, so as not to rake. NATO member Turkey is closer to you, since your authorities then wrote off Russia, considering it a weak player. Now reap the benefits.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 13 June 2013 12: 54 New
                -3
                And here is the CSTO, if the so-called NKR is not recognized not only by Russia and even by Armenia itself? and where do you see HERE logic? This is me by the way. Because you yourself do not see logic and act on the principle of saying: "the blind man will not let go of what he is holding on to." For you, the ultimate truth is the paraphrased words of T. Roosevelt: "I know that Armenians are n .... and, but these are our n ... and"
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 07 New
                  +2
                  I see the logic. You do not want to see her, guided by the principle of militant optimism. Like Georgians, those with this blind optimism have already burned out.
                2. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 13 June 2013 13: 25 New
                  -1
                  For you, the joke about the Armenian who asks in the GLOBUS store of Armenia seems logical. For ordinary normal people, this is bullshit.
            2. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 13 June 2013 13: 54 New
              -2
              And here is Karabakh and the Collective Security Treaty Organization!
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 13 June 2013 16: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          When you try to solve the problem by force, you will deal with the Russian Army.

          Well, this is as long as Armenia is listed as an ally. Only every year it is less and less useless. The only thing that saves it now is that it sits like a mouse under a broom. As soon as it sticks out, it is slammed and slammed.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 09: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      What will happen if the Azerbaijani troops enter Karabakh



      unas and so officially 30000 people of Armenian ethnicity live .... Yarbay, by the way, gave examples here that they have their Armenian names originally ..... so that no one will strengthen the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the republic, as if they are under other names ... ...
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      What will happen if the Azerbaijani troops enter Karabakh



      and they have already flown to Zvartnots airport .. all of Yerevan went out to see this bird .. it hasn’t landed yet)))) so it’s not far off ....))
    4. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 13 June 2013 16: 28 New
      0
      Another problem that Russia will inevitably have to solve will be the behavior of Georgia, which is highly dependent on Azerbaijan and its Western allies. After all, there is no other land corridor between the Russian Federation and Armenia, and the air corridor after the outbreak of hostilities will become dangerous and not capacious enough. There is no doubt that Tbilisi will refuse to provide such a corridor to Moscow voluntarily, no matter who rules in Georgia today. So, as one of the generals of the 58 Army said, he will have to be "cut through."
  2. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 09: 02 New
    +5
    Quote: Yarbay
    Why if Russia would be in the position of Azerbaijan


    And it turned out! But Ukraine and Crimea are not the same?
    And Sevastopol is already 200%.

    But are we acting like that? = "You won’t be forcibly sweet!" We understand that breaking will gain eternal rejection! Only a voluntary association (and it will not be 100%, that is, there will be opponents) will give the right to somehow ORDER! Somehow, not only GIVE but also TAKE! This is the same thing - GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD EXISTENCE OF TWO PEOPLES!

    But, perhaps, Russians and Ukrainians are dearer than your PEOPLES?

    Who does not allow Azerbaijan to behave similarly?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 21 New
      -4
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      And it turned out! But Ukraine and Crimea are not the same?

      Of course not the same !!
      When the USSR collapsed, Russia did not show claim to Ukraine over its territories!
      When Crimea was handed over to Ukraine even then the RSFSR was not outraged!
      I do not see parallels!
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 09: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        When Crimea was handed over to Ukraine even then the RSFSR was not outraged!

        Then the RSFSR existed "de jure". And at that time I lived in Crimea (and although I was a kid), but I remember and felt it myself = why do we need this? but no one dared to "pickle"! "Funnel" is still well remembered!

        Quote: Yarbay
        , Russia did not show claim to Ukraine

        Yes EXACTLY that understanding stopped.
        Understood that this could lead to conflict!
        (I remember - 10000 Ukrainian special forces were transferred to Sevastopol)
        Do you think there were no "hot" goals? Were! But the understanding that THIS 100 year war = stopped!
        And secondly, what should those Russian families do? those mixed marriages?

        Here in Baku - how many mixed marriages? And what do they feel?
        Yes, Azerbaijan needs to organize the most powerful mutually beneficial economic and cultural relations with Karabakh.
        Time and good attitude will unite the nations!
        Blood shed will tear completely!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 10: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Time and good attitude will unite the nations!
          Blood shed will tear completely!

          no longer unite !!
          You do not know the history of the conflict, so say that !!
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Here in Baku - how many mixed marriages? And what do they feel?

          live as before !!
          Nothing extraordinary happens to them!
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Understood that this could lead to conflict!

          You're just trying to compare the incomparable!
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Then the RSFSR existed "de juro"
          During the existence of both * de facto * and * de jure * Russia did not present claims and still has not!
          Recognized the borders of Ukraine!
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 11: 37 New
            +6
            Quote: Yarbay
            no longer unite !!
            You do not know the history of the conflict, so say that !!


            Will not unite?
            Well, with our life, it’s definitely not. And there ...
            Armenians - Turkish genocide is not forgotten.

            The history of the conflict ....?
            Yes, as I did not know, so no one!
            It is not possible to put on the scales!
            And - homo sapens - this, perhaps, does not suit everyone. They remembered the beast in themselves! And who is more, who is less - not given to measure!

            In such a situation, "silence is not gold"!
            He who screams about his pain wins!
            And whose pain squeezed his chest, does not give a word to pronounce, then he did not suffer, supposedly!
            There is no measure in this!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 11: 50 New
              -1
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Armenians - Turkish genocide is not forgotten.

              it is the Turks who have not forgotten the Armenian genocide, but they are still kind to the Armenians, allowing hundreds of thousands of Armenians to illegally live and work in Turkey!
              here in detail about the alleged genocide in this thread I wrote!
              http://topwar.ru/27348-obraschenie-prezidenta-ssha-baraka-obamy-po-povodu-genoci

              da-armyan-1915.html # comment-id-1116082
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 20: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                the Turks didn’t forget the Armenian genocide,


                I read on your link.
                Not everything fits together with me!

                = /////////// Armenian gangs led by Andranik, activist of the Dashnaktsutyun terrorist organization, ... ///////////

                The gang! No one gave a guarantee that this is not the "first steps" of the Western intelligence services! They, already at that time, tried new ways of owning the world! And by the way, 20 years ago, Karabakh was not without special services of the West!

                I think you have a lot of arguments! I want to say that not everything is visible. There are those about which you do not know. But because the Armenians at the world level insist on the genocide of the Turks over the Armenian people. And the figure is very impressive. And to object so that they shut up and do not arise does not work.
                Sorry, accept my condolences.
              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 13 June 2013 20: 17 New
                +3
                [quote = nickname 1 and 2] And it is impossible to argue so that they shut up and do not arise.
                It turns out, the Armenians were already scared and did not open their archives, at that time we opened it and call them to study!

                Turkish historians say Do not be afraid of anything so terrible we did not commit
              3. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 23: 29 New
                0
                Quote: ayyildiz
                It turns out, the Armenians were already scared and I don’t open


                And will it be a "bomb"?
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 20: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              There are those about which you do not know.

              Perhaps, but I studied this question very carefully!
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              But because the Armenians at the world level insist on the genocide of the Turks over the Armenian people.

              But very afraid to create a joint commission to study this issue!
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              And the figure is very impressive.

              As for the numbers, it seems to me in that topic that I wrote in detail about the mockery of these numbers!
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Sorry, accept my condolences.

              I am grateful to you for your heart!
            3. nickname 1 and 2
              nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 23: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              I am grateful to you for your heart!

              Thank! I’m sure that MIND IS WRESTLING!

              but how else are we HOMO SAPENS!
  • DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich 13 June 2013 18: 26 New
    0
    maybe Putin will be able to reduce the conflict potential for his lands ...
    http://warfiles.ru/show-32803-rossiya-snova-otdala-chast-svoey-territorii-azerba
    ydzhanu.html
    but the stalemate with the solution of problems through the surrender of Russian land is not happy angry
  • Egoza
    Egoza 13 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +9
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Azeibardzhan wants revenge, and by force regain Karabakh.

    I did not quite understand where such a conclusion came from. But Armenia does not want revenge, turning to Russia? Regarding Karabakh, this is how Armenians and Azerbaijanis lived there for centuries. Moreover, everything is so mixed up that simply halving it will not work. And on that, and on the other hand, they will prove, with historical documents, that this is "their territory." This is a common territory of two nations. That is the truth. And just to draw a border, as in the film "Law is Law" is impossible. If you want to avoid military clashes, only negotiations are needed. And this requires political will on both sides.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 13 June 2013 09: 01 New
      +4
      read my first comment on this issue, everything is written very clearly there
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 09: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Moreover, everything is so mixed up that simply halving it will not work. And on that, and on the other hand, they will prove, with historical documents, that this is "their territory." This is a common territory of two nations.


      Yes, we have something similar with Ukraine! But then we did not force to force?
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 June 2013 08: 49 New
    +1
    Dear Vladsolo, I didn’t understand something for you. "Who can answer why Azerbaijan is holding an army with Karabakh ... why it is necessary ... takes public opinion aside ..." NATURALLY AZERBAIJAN PERFORMES ALL FORCES TO REMOVE ITS LAND FROM THE OCCUPIERS. And what is unexpected and illegal here. Would you not do the same?
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 13 June 2013 09: 00 New
      +4
      You directly answered my question, to release, to mean to destroy or expel all Armenians. Is this just a solution to the conflict? Well i.e. for Azeibardzhan yes, but for those Armenians who have lived on this land for generations? So it turns out that the solution is one-sided. Then why all the talk about some kind of peaceful solution does not want Azeibardzhan in your person a peaceful solution.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 June 2013 09: 17 New
        +4
        VLADISOLO, you are absolutely not informed. AZERBAIJAN, UNDER THE CONDITION OF RETURNING KARABAKH AND 7 ADJACENT DISTRICTS (IN WHICH I HAVE NEVER LIVED ANY 1 ARMENIAN, BUT IT IS ALSO PLEASED TO BE OCCUPIED BEFORE). since they hope to gain a foothold there forever.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        You directly answered my question, to release, to mean to destroy or expel all Armenians.

        Azerbaijan exactly offers a peaceful solution!
        The highest autonomy is naturally within Azerbaijan!
        You confuse one moment, I said Armenians will run away in case of war!
        and occupied not only the lands in Karabakh, but also those in which the Armenians did not live at all!
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 13 June 2013 11: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Azeibardzhan


        Before discussing, do me a favor. Write the name of my country correctly. And until you learn (even without going into the content of your comments) to write correctly, you will receive from me only minuses.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Apollon
          you will receive from me some minuses.



          Tovarish Judge !!! and he in the morning not only from YOU receives minuses .... fellow
  • smersh70
    smersh70 13 June 2013 09: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Who can convincingly answer why Azeibardzhan keeps an army with Karabakh, maybe there is evidence that Armenia plans to attack


    My friend you ask such questions ... I’ll tell you something .... then why should Russia keep troops in Armenia or in Chechnya or Dagestan ...
    but he keeps it so that when he is convinced that nothing will work out by means of peace talks ... then he will have to release and restore territorial integrity in other ways. By the way, this principle is laid down in the UN Charter and no one has canceled Azerbaijan ... hi ..
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 16 New
    -4
    Quote: Hudo
    This wound will bleed unfortunately for a long time

    You are right if you do not start a war!
    And if the war begins, much will be decided faster!
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 13 June 2013 12: 13 New
      +6
      In the event of war, everything will be only bloodier, but faster .. hardly. And why do you think that the Armenians will run away. Once already ran away, but not the Armenians, you’ll excuse me. You now remind Pavel Grachev, who claimed that he would take Grozny with two regiments of the Airborne Forces. This is pure hatred.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 12: 28 New
        -5
        Quote: Mairos
        In the event of war, everything will be only bloodier, but faster .. hardly. And why do you think that the Armenians will run away

        I know the mentality and the current state of affairs well!
        enthusiasm and euphoria has long been replaced by a difficult economic condition!
        I remember in the period of my service that there were mass reports that the enemy soldiers almost? * Begged * to attack them to return home as soon as possible! On the front line, the enemy still lacked soldiers!
        I can show you a video where ours calmly reached Kalbajar Yeshe in 2007 ,!
        Now things are worse for the enemy!
        they have almost no permanent posts, only patrols!
        The shortage of personnel of the military units is catastrophic!

        1. Mairos
          Mairos 13 June 2013 12: 56 New
          +3
          "Return home" - do you mean in Armenia? But after all, those Armenians who lived in Karabakh serve in the army of Karabakh. Or I'm wrong?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 June 2013 13: 05 New
            -1
            Quote: Mairos
            "Return home" - do you mean in Armenia?

            Naturally!
            Quote: Mairos
            But after all, those Armenians who lived in Karabakh serve in the army of Karabakh. Or I'm wrong?

            Yes you are mistaken dear!
            85 percent of the units in Karabakh are equipped with conscripts from Armenia, they are also in short supply!
            Therefore, part of the contract soldiers, also from Armenia, are paid from 250 to 300 dollars!
            now there are only about 70 thousand civilians in that zone, but there were more than a million !!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          I can show you a video where ours calmly reached Kalbajar Yeshe in 2007 ,!



          it’s interesting and where is the Stoic .... and where is the invincible army of the NKAR ... which protects the borders of Karabakh echeloned ... (by the way Yeraz ... this uncle already wants to arrange tourist routes for those who want to visit occupied Kelbajar .. well, this a word) ....
          by the way ... when he was returning again .. he met an Armenian shepherd ... and they released him .. so this shepherd raised the whole district by alarm ... and an entire Armenian regiment was chasing this Uncle and his partner .... but Uncle safely from under the noses of posts and persecutors got to our territory ..... by the way, a large sum has been assigned for his head ... really in dollars ..... Armenians are not quoted their drams hi fellow
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 June 2013 14: 18 New
            0
            Quote: smersh70
            and an entire Armenian regiment was chasing this Uncle

            By the way, I heard him and from our horrible)))
            it's true??))))
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 13 June 2013 14: 27 New
              -3
              Quote: Yarbay
              By the way, I heard he and our horrible))) is this true ??))))

              Quote: Yarbay
              By the way, I heard he and our horrible))) is this true ??))))


              YES !!!!)))) they also passed through our site ..))))
              By the way, the first time he went without anything ... no one believed him .. then he bought Kodak and took a picture of his mother’s grave .. and the date and time are indicated there)))) and then bought a camera)))) and now he has a little camera)))))))
  • krasin
    krasin 13 June 2013 07: 33 New
    +8
    I am glad that the smoldering conflict of the Caucasus has been pushed back to better times. Over time, everything will be crushed. Time will put everything in its place!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Any discussion of any conflict, idle chatter.

    You're right!
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Who will argue that if tomorrow the leaders of Azeibardzhan and Armenia gathered and decided to forget everything and stop the feud, if provocations were firmly and soon stopped on both sides, then I would be sure there would not have been a Karabakh problem in a year.

    Here you beg too much!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 13 June 2013 08: 25 New
      +4
      As for the term in a year, I can simplify it, but the fact that everything depends on the management is exactly like twice two.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        As for the term in a year, I can simplify it, but the fact that everything depends on the management is exactly like twice two.

        Well no!
        Do you agree with your President if he is an odtast of Pskov Lithuania or the Kuril Islands of Japan ??
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 13 June 2013 08: 32 New
          +5
          weak, if I do not agree then what? but if I begin to call for rebellion and disobedience, and they put me in prison for a long time, as you think, there will be many who want to follow my example. So if you quickly and firmly calm all those who are dissatisfied, the rest is a matter of time and I don’t think it’s long, just everything should go on both sides at the same time, ordinary people often have nothing to share
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 June 2013 08: 58 New
            -1
            Regardless of who will lead Azerbaijan, the course towards the liberation of Karabakh will not change. And the author of the article should at least study the subject he wants to write about. The article is clearly one-sided and has nothing to do with reality.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: vladsolo56
            weak, if I do not agree then what?


            so disagree millions who put it then ??
            In the late 80s there was such a situation when the leadership of Azerbaijan conducted a slurred policy on this issue and what led to ?? Paralysis of power, to a long instability!
            1. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 13 June 2013 09: 05 New
              +5
              you exaggerate, millions will remain silent as cute. And usually only organizers and activists are planted. Let me remind you once again if there is a desire for a peaceful solution, then steps must be taken in this direction, if there is no such desire, then military strength is usually increased.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 19 New
                +4
                Quote: vladsolo56
                you exaggerate, millions will remain silent as cute. And usually only organizers and activists plant

                we have a small country and it already was!
                Millions will not be silent here!
                Now, if at the beginning of the conflict at the end of 80 they would have done as you say, then the issue could be resolved without bringing it to what happened!
                In principle, before Gorbachev, the leadership of the USSR harshly suppressed any attempt at separatism!
          3. experienced
            experienced 13 June 2013 09: 11 New
            +1
            Another opus do not understand what.
            Briefly so
            Assad in this interview bluntly stated that with his proposal the World Bank wants to bend under itself the most tidy contracts in Syria.

            Assad is the leader of the eastern country and Allah himself and his mentality are told to make a bunch of different slogans and statements that will help in promoting his plans. The fact that the IMF proposed there and refused to take Assad is unlikely when we find out.
            about the presence of Russian Iskanders in Armenia - a republic that is our partner and ally in the CSTO (this is the first) and a country that, recognizing its vulnerability from an unfriendly close circle, sees in Russian power not only a strong guarantor in the sphere of interests of Armenia , but also a generous comrade who does not look at a small republic as a vassal.

            I’ll tell you a “terrible” secret for the ignorant: the extraterritorial military base is the territory of Russia (like an embassy, ​​a flag-ship, etc.), which means that the Iskanders even physically being within the borders of Armenia located in Russia and this is a fact and how to use it and against whom not Russian military and political figures, but Russian will decide.
            I’m not going to analyze the causes of this conflict, but just want to outline Russia's position on this issue (as I see it) and justify those steps of our leadership, which created new political realities in this explosive region.

            Yesaul, and the crown does not shake its head? The position of Russia and its international politics are determined by the President of Russia, and not by the site moderator. Have you been given the authority of the Presidential Administration of Russia or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to broadcast on a public resource about Russia's international politics?
            The fact that in the eyes of Putin you "read" in the next TV news your "merits", but they do not give you the right to make statements about his policy. hi
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2013 09: 45 New
              +4
              Do you know better? Somehow imperceptibly.
              1. experienced
                experienced 13 June 2013 09: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Do you know better? Somehow imperceptibly.

                If the question is addressed to me (we could insert a quote and it would be clear) then I will answer:
                I don’t know how to sing, like Caruso, but if my neighbor intrusively sings his songs, I’m not ashamed to ask him to be silent in my presence. winked
                I see the quality of the works of the Cossack author, but they are regularly posted on the site and as a forum member I have the right to criticize and discuss them. I use this right hi
                Given the squabbles of the author with one of the moderators (the battle of the titans wassat ) I think that this particular opus about Azerbaijan did not arise from scratch winked
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 13 June 2013 10: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: seasoned
                  Given the squabbles of the author with one of the moderators (the battle of the titans), I think that this particular opus about Azerbaijan did not arise from scratch

                  aah, I see)))))))
                  that I didn’t get it right ??)))
                  True, I forgot about the existence of that opponent and the conflict, since I have not read it for a long time !!
                  Are you really experienced!))
                  Respect !!
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 10: 13 New
                  +1
                  You have the right to discuss and criticize articles. Instead, discuss the author.
                  And in general, already got this your Hollywood in the comments. Only meaningless posts produce. If you want to fight, create a separate branch, and start. You generally know that many do not have very fast Internet, that not all have powerful machines. And what because of your "holy war" some pages open for several minutes?

                  In short, “A critic must be ready at any time and upon request to take the place of the critic he is criticizing and fulfill his duties professionally, competently and comprehensively; otherwise, the criticism turns into a brazen self-sufficient force and becomes a brake on the path of cultural progress” (c)
                  1. experienced
                    experienced 13 June 2013 10: 20 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Spade
                    You have the right to discuss and criticize articles. Instead, discuss the author.

                    I discuss the article and the behavior of the author of the article on this forum based on his previous comments. I do not make statements about the personal life of the author hi By the way, I personally do not know him and have no desire.
                    Quote: Spade
                    And in general, already got this your Hollywood in the comments. Just make senseless posts

                    Well, yes, my posts are very far from your posts declaring war on Azerbaijan. lol
                    Quote: Spade
                    You generally know that many do not have very fast Internet, that not all have powerful machines. And what because of your "holy war" some pages open for several minutes?

                    Some people don’t have computers and Internet at all, and in Africa children are starving, I don’t find it reasonable to worry about all of Humanity. In the modern world, computers are inexpensive, there are many providers ... The happiness of every person is in his hands request
                    Quote: Spade
                    "The critic must be ready at any time and upon request to take the place of the critic he is criticizing and fulfill his duties professionally, competently and exhaustively; otherwise, the criticism turns into a brazen self-sufficient force and becomes a brake on the path of cultural progress"

                    Well, at least they didn’t offer air passengers to be ready to take the pilot’s place lol
                    Somehow you are pompous, confident in your exclusivity and the right to judge others repeat
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 June 2013 10: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: seasoned
                      Well, yes, my posts are very far from your posts declaring war on Azerbaijan.

                      Oh, my friend ... Materiel! Well, or "Learn, study and study again" (c).
                      With all my disrespect for the state of Armenia, it is a member of the CSTO. And Russia is connected with this state by allied relations. And therefore, an attack on Armenia, which will inevitably occur when trying to solve the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh by force, will force Russia to use its armed forces.
                      You do not know this, while trying to criticize the author? Indeed, "criticism turns into arrogant self-sufficient force" (c)

                      Ps And you will not drag me into your stupid holivars for hundreds of posts. I already wrote everything I wanted, then I'm not interested. There is something to say on the topic, say. Flooding is not worth it. This is prohibited by the rules of the site.
                    2. experienced
                      experienced 13 June 2013 10: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      With all my disrespect for the state of Armenia, it is a member of the CSTO.

                      How can one not respect the state? fool You can not respect the people, nation, government of the state, but not respect the state ... request
                      CSTO "stillborn child" is used only to make it possible to solicit weapons from Russia for free. Do you think that something happens, someone will go to war together with the Russian troops? Example 080808 showed that the line from the allies did not line up. Many CSTO countries recognized the sovereignty of South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
                      Quote: Spade
                      And therefore, an attack on Armenia, which will inevitably occur when trying to solve the problem of Nagorno-Karabakh by force, will force Russia to use its armed forces.

                      If the collision is localized outside the NK, then Russia does not make sense to go in there. Everything will be decided only by temporary facts, a protracted "war" will not allow anyone now. IMHO hi
                      Quote: Spade
                      Oh, my friend ... Materiel! Well, or "Learn, study and study again" (c).

                      I can draw the same phrase to you soldier
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 June 2013 11: 08 New
                      +3
                      Quote: seasoned
                      How can one not respect the state?

                      For his rotten policy. I have every right. By the way, I also do not respect the state of Azerbaijan.

                      Quote: seasoned
                      CSTO "stillborn child"

                      However, this is our only military-political instrument in the post-Soviet space. And therefore he must act. It needs to be developed. And not to destroy it due to the fact that some “citizens” of Russia are against increasing its influence in the world, and prefer to see it as a frightened animal clogged with a mink.
                      And by the way, you also do not determine the foreign policy of the country, which includes the development of the CSTO

                      Quote: seasoned
                      If the collision is localized outside the NK,

                      Dear, to someone who believes that this is possible, a place is not on a military site, but in the community of science fiction writers.
                      The first and second Chechen. Russia inflicted attacks on the territory of Georgia.
                      Afghanistan. Both the USSR and the USA have now dealt and are striking in Pakistan.
                      I’m not talking about the long-suffering Lebanon - the Israelis, when solving the problem of Palestinian extremists, visited there twice.
                      Still examples of the impossibility to limit the conflict to a separate territory are needed?
                  2. kotdavin4i
                    kotdavin4i 13 June 2013 12: 07 New
                    0
                    "Oh, my friend ... Materiel! Well, or" Learn, study and study again "(c)." - Your words. So you, my friend, open the geography textbook and see what is Armenia and what is Nagorno-Karabakh. and in the event of a declaration of war with whom Azerbaijan will fight.
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 25 New
                    +3
                    Around the second or third day, the war will spread to the territory of Armenia. It is iron. And Azerbaijan will have to deal with the Russian Army.
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 38 New
              -2
              Quote: Spade
              And what because of your "holy war" some pages open for several minutes?


              that's how Armenian propagandists attacked in the 90s around the world ...... and now it's another time)))
              if the neighbors are so rich .. let them buy new heavy duty computers .. and act .....))))

              and about the holy war --- as the Russian proverb says - it’s true that it hurts your eyes fellow
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 10: 49 New
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                and about the holy war --- as the Russian proverb says - it’s true that it hurts your eyes

                You absolutely did not understand anything from my post.
            3. Hleb
              Hleb 13 June 2013 10: 46 New
              +2
              You want to fuck
              you yourself do not miss in this matter
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 11: 09 New
                +4
                Exactly. And therefore you should not get me.
            4. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 June 2013 16: 35 New
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              "The critic must be ready at any time and upon request to take the place of the critic he is criticizing and fulfill his duties professionally, competently and comprehensively; otherwise, the criticism turns into a brazen self-sufficient force and becomes a brake on the path of cultural progress" (c)

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              Do not forget to quote the author of the quote - Dr. Joseph Goebbels
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 16: 43 New
                +2
                I thought it was common knowledge. Although yes, it was worth it. Suddenly, they’ll read “trained on the EEG,” and may not understand.
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 13 June 2013 16: 52 New
                +5
                Quote: Spade
                Suddenly "dragged on the EEG"

                In! half of the current ones will ask who is this? the rest, what kind of doctor is he for children or adults what laughing
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 17: 01 New
                +2
                It's five...
      2. dmb
        dmb 13 June 2013 11: 37 New
        +6
        Bravo. You can’t say better. It is not worth accusing the Officer of the pro-Armenian lobby. Here the line from the fable is more suitable: “The helpful is more dangerous than the enemy. Judging by his“ writing, ”his awareness of the Armenian-Azerbaijani relations and the role of the surrounding countries is based only on Internet messages. Based on them, he gives advice on Bulgakov of a“ cosmic scale ” and cosmic stupidity. "It is interesting how this strategist intended to use the Iskander against the aviation of Azerbaijan. This is an air defense system. Apparently, his commander’s wisdom intended to sting with vigorous ammunition. I had to upset him. Everything nuclear Russia’s weapons are located on its territory. None of the bases have them. If this Moltke intends to bring warheads to Gyumri after the outbreak of conflict, then he sometimes needs to look at the map. He would then see that Russia has no borders with Armenia, and neither Azerbaijan nor Georgia will be allowed to carry vigorous bonbs through its territory. In fact, only clinical representatives of artiodactyls are able to start a nuclear war for Armenia. With all my disrespect for Putin, he does not belong to those, and therefore he signed a military ktrinu on which the brilliant ideas of our "Moltke" probably will remain the fruit of his sick imagination.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 11: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: dmb
          It is interesting how this strategist intended to use the Iskanders against Azerbaijani aviation.

          Elementary. On ground infrastructure. Someone told you that aviation can only be fought when it is in the air? You have been cruelly deceived.

          Here's a great post on how to deal with aviation in Libya using cruise missiles and B-2 http://pfc-joker.livejournal.com/17437.html
          1. dmb
            dmb 13 June 2013 13: 05 New
            +1
            That is, you want to say that we will keep all cash Iskanders in Gyumri? (This is me about the cost of one and the other type of weapons) Actually, air defense is primarily used to protect against an "air aggressor", and not OTR. Yes, and about the "aggression", you are quite popularly explained above. Shusha, it’s not that, not Armenia, it’s not even Karabakh, but the occupied territory, and its forceful return does not give us the slightest reason to refer to the CSTO. If Armenia is less likely to provide military support to Karabakh, then again we have no reason to consider it a victim and refer to the CSTO, because in this case it is the aggressor. You can certainly not give a damn about any international law there, but is it worth it for the sake of the people who were the first to start a torment in the USSR. Sumgait, Osh and Tbilisi were only later.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 19 New
            +3
            I believe that there are no Iskanders in Gyumri, it's just a duck

            Quote: dmb
            In fact, air defense is primarily used to protect against an "air aggressor", and not OTR.

            For protection are used all available funds. Remember the winged "the best air defense is my tanks at their airfields" (c)

            Quote: dmb
            Yes, and about the "aggression", you are quite popularly explained higher. Shusha, it’s not that, not Armenia, it’s not even Karabakh, but the occupied territory, and its forceful return does not give us the slightest reason to refer to the CSTO.

            Do you think the Armenian authorities are so incompetent that they are not able to create the conditions for the forced intervention of Russia in the armed conflict?
            Do you think the Azerbaijani authorities are so incompetent that for a long time they have not had enough forces and means to return the lost territories?
          3. dmb
            dmb 13 June 2013 13: 40 New
            -1
            Judging by this text, you consider the Russian authorities to whom the Armenian authorities will dictate terms. Although here I agree with you, it's time to change this power. As for the Azerbaijani authorities, in this case they are more competent than the authorities that need to be changed.
          4. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 49 New
            +3
            Sometimes circumstances dictate the need for actions that are disadvantageous to our country. As it was in August 2008.
          5. dmb
            dmb 13 June 2013 16: 33 New
            +4
            So the circumstances or the authorities of Armenia? Usually by circumstances unsuccessful rulers try to explain their greed and stupidity.
          6. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 16: 40 New
            -3
            The Armenian authorities will create such circumstances. We have already committed ourselves to creating the CSTO; we have a small corridor of opportunities. It was necessary, as in NATO, not to take countries with territorial problems into this military-political alliance. And now it's too late. Burst.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 13 June 2013 16: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: Spade
    Elementary. On ground infrastructure.

    What really trifles, immediately to the manufacturer wassat
  • Apollo
    Apollo 13 June 2013 13: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: dmb
    Bravo. You can’t say better. It is not worth accusing the Officer of the pro-Armenian lobby.



    I welcome you Dmitry! hi

    Well, why did you demoralize, to the rank of officer, see and be offended ?! laughing plus good
    1. dmb
      dmb 13 June 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      You see, dear Apolon, they assign titles, and this is not a title, but a state of mind. So he must first be offended by himself.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 04 New
    +6
    Quote: seasoned
    Yesaul, and the crown does not shake its head? The position of Russia and its international politics are determined by the President of Russia,



    Experienced !!!!!!!!!! Once again RESPECT AND RESPECT !!!!!! hi drinks
  • Very old
    Very old 13 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    Yarbay and vladsolo56 -You did not find a common point, leaders too. Do not want. Only mutual claims and accusations of all mortals ... There was so much blood and tragedy in their common history. And you need to live in peace. The solution is just around the corner, it cannot be resolved in one year, Chinese patience is necessary
  • Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 13 June 2013 12: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    Do you agree with your President if he is an odtast of Pskov Lithuania or the Kuril Islands of Japan ??

    And how many Lithuanians live in Pskov or the Yonons in the Kuril Islands? And do they really control the territories indicated by you?
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 13 June 2013 13: 55 New
      +2
      I will answer minuscules with their own words: - "what, does the eye really hurt?"
  • Very old
    Very old 13 June 2013 08: 58 New
    +4
    Aliyev will not make concessions, otherwise he will be made an “Erdogan”. A lot depends on the third - the States and Russia, Turkey and Iran (the last two Azerbaijanis have enough) Armenia has lost so much that it is ready to bite its teeth into any patch of land. In my opinion, stop the "heating" of the topic, let the emotions cool, postpone the question until a sober morning, how long would not have to wait for it. = Baku People =
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 13 June 2013 09: 07 New
      +3
      That is what I wrote at the very beginning. The main thing is to calm all the ardent supporters of power actions and to calm radically
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: vladsolo56
        . The main thing is to calm all the ardent supporters of power actions and to calm radically

        There is no peace for too long!
        Time is just dragging on (20 years), therefore there are more and more proponents of radical and forceful methods of resolving the conflict!
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 09: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Yarbay
          There is no peace for too long!


          Well hot blood.

          "Hurry - you make fun of the chickens!" - proverb.
          "Time heals, rush - cripples!"

          Even a woman, if forced to cohabit by force, remembers this to the grave!
    2. experienced
      experienced 13 June 2013 09: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Old very
      Aliyev will not make concessions, otherwise he will be made an “Erdogan”.

      Aliyev is the President of a sovereign country and as President, he must do everything for its prosperity and power. To paraphrase you and use your logic, you can say
      "Putin will not make concessions to Japan in the Kuril Islands, otherwise he will be made an Erdogan." Well, what's the difference? request
      Quote: Old very
      Armenia has lost so much that it is ready to bite its teeth into any piece of land with its teeth

      Everyone thinks that he was the one who lost ... But because you should not have added kerosene to this phrase
  • rus9875
    rus9875 13 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    The day after tomorrow they would both be replaced by their own citizens
  • fenix57
    fenix57 13 June 2013 06: 38 New
    +9
    Hello! Judging by the latest news, the leadership of Azerbaijan decided not to increase relations with Russia:"Ilham Aliyev: the friendship of Russia and Azerbaijan will continue in the future in the name of peace and stability in the region."
    see http://www.vestikavkaza.ru/gallery/79718
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 13 June 2013 07: 49 New
      +2
      Hello bro!
      I agree with you on all 1000 !!!
      Even looking at how Kazlov was driven from El Quseir, and here they with the whole crowd retreat and have nothing to eat and drink, but crawl out of their conversations, with any pasture. Even irrigation hoses are cut so that stagnant, rotten water is drunk. Behind, the army advances and their explosions scare and they wander at each and sit. They throw their graves anywhere in the vineyard. I Kueyu, if it were, I would have on my territory a vegetable farm !!!
      Thanks bro!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n224GevYRNQ
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 13 June 2013 08: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Sergh
        thanks bro

        I am this for you Esaul!
        1. esaul
          13 June 2013 18: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Sergh
          I am this for you Esaul!

          Thank you, land! Where had you been? For a long time you did not "shine" on VO. Or am I so not careful ... belay
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Hello! Judging by the latest news, the Azerbaijani leadership decided not to increase relations with Russia: "Ilham Aliyev: the friendship of Russia and Azerbaijan will continue in the future in the name of peace and stability in the region."
      - The leadership of Azerbaijan has never said anything else !!
      Esaul’s unconfirmed nonsense is not considered serious research!
      Do you have an example of a different position of the President of Azerbaijan ?? Was there an opposite statement?
      1. experienced
        experienced 13 June 2013 09: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        The leadership of Azerbaijan has never said anything else !!

        The escalation of the conflict is not beneficial to anyone. Everyone understands that there is a war going on (sniper and sabotage), there are constant victims, but also no one wants to become an “instigator” because public opinion will also develop against him and will make it possible to involve 3 forces in the conflict (Russia, Turkey, Iran) hi
        Azerbaijan maintains the correct tactics in my opinion: arming the Army, non-recognition of NK and lobbying for non-recognition at the international level, development of international relations (multi-vector). Strange, maybe Yesaul does not know that Azerbaijan is a sovereign country, living on her own money, with a positive budget and still considers one of the Republics? request
        Quote: Yarbay
        Esaul’s unconfirmed nonsense is not considered serious research!

        And did anyone listen to the Army about what the political officer was broadcasting? My comrades and I used these events for sleeping with open eyes or reading ... So Esaul is professional: any nonsense mixed with slogans, people hawala ... winked
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: seasoned
          Everyone understands


          In principle, I agree with many of you written!
          1. experienced
            experienced 13 June 2013 09: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            In principle, I agree with many of you written!

            Welcome hi
            I would be interested to read Nedoan article (essay) on the same topic, but if the author had previously quarreled not with the Azerbaijani moderator, but with the Armenian lol
            Really interesting. However, he never doubted the essence of this man. negative
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 10: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: seasoned
              It would be interesting for me to read a shortcoming (essay) on the same topic, but if the author had previously quarreled not with the Azerbaijani moderator, but with the Armenian

              Hello!
              I have long drawn attention to the fact that often people write their comments based on a personal relationship with someone!
              I knew such three comrades, at first they wrote one thing, offended by me personally they began to write the exact opposite!
              By the way, now one of the users Lopatov used to write in a completely different way, and then after one of my comments, which he initially misunderstood and took as a personal offense, I began to write as I see, directly opposite to his previous opinion)))))
              1. experienced
                experienced 13 June 2013 10: 50 New
                +3
                Quote: Yarbay
                I have long drawn attention to the fact that often people write their comments based on a personal relationship with someone!

                Well, we all have our weaknesses ... I also often have personal preferences put pressure on the mind yes but we are not robots. So this is a common occurrence, but if I understand that I was wrong, then do not hesitate to admit it. hi
                Quote: Yarbay
                Offended by me personally began to write the exact opposite!

                Surprisingly with your tact and oriental "cunning" you even managed to offend someone belay The fact that I have enough “friends” that put down cons even without reading comments only makes me happy, then hurt someone for the living lol
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 13 June 2013 11: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: seasoned
                  Well, we all have our weaknesses ... I also often have personal preferences put pressure on the mind

                  Well, not to that extent))))
                  You see, if I had a personal dislike for someone, I would simply ignore the topic in which I would write objectively, not what I think!
                  in order not to be unfounded I will cite the topic where Lopatov wrote differently!
                  http://topwar.ru/27682-armeniya-zapuskaet-process-shirokomasshtabnoy-modernizaci
                  i-bronetehniki-i-sredstv-pvo.html # comment-id-1135827
                  So where does he write, what does he think ??
                  Quote: seasoned
                  Amazingly with your tact and oriental "cunning" you even managed to hurt someone

                  I’m quick-tempered and don’t always go on campromises))
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 June 2013 11: 32 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    in order not to be unfounded I will cite the topic where Lopatov wrote differently!

                    By the way, after reading Lopatov’s last comments, which he didn’t see before his comment, I’m forced to admit that he still didn’t change his opinion !!
                    The platform is the same!))
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 June 2013 06: 45 New
    17
    Russia is firmly defending its interests. This can not but rejoice.
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 13 June 2013 07: 35 New
      +3
      In the Karabakh conflict, Russia does not defend its interests but the interests of Armenia. Not Azerbaijan occupied 20% of the territory of Armenia, but on the contrary. Having driven the solution of the problem to a far corner, Russia enables Armenia to gain a foothold in Karabakh, including through the resettlement of ethnic Armenians there from Iraq and Syria. Naturally, this situation I can’t make a reservation - I don’t sympathize with either side. I just can’t understand why Russia clearly took the position of Armenia in this conflict? In Yerevan, 2000 US marines are guarded by the US Embassy. They are more military personnel than at the American air base in Kyrgyzstan, and something is not heard of any indignation from our side on this issue. Are we seriously counting on Armenia as an ally? She is with us while it is profitable for her - as soon as the wind blows in the other direction - screams of ,, Russian occupation "and the presentation of bills for the stay of our military on their territory will begin right away. And while we are friends, the creeping movement of Armenians to the territory of the Krasnodar Territory and Azeri to Moscow and the republics of the North Caucasus Do we need it for hell? Let them go to their homeland and divide Karabakh there as they like And we need to withdraw the troops from there and sell weapons and both, we must learn from Americans how to make money from other people's wars and not to substitute the bullets of our guys in the fight for the interests of others - let them deal with each other until the last fighter. Whatever one of them won in the end would still crawl to bow to Russia and behave much easier
      1. alexng
        alexng 13 June 2013 08: 24 New
        +3
        Political myopia is the cause of all ills. And do you name at least one conflict near the borders of the USA? Amerikashki will never allow this near their country. But they are masters to create chaos and tricks away from their "hut." So I think your comment is a common manifestation of emotions. But Russia does not need a confrontation either by Armenia or Azerbaijan, and there is no talk of friendship yet. And when these newly-minted independent states are fully satisfied with their “independence,” which, in principle, does not exist in nature, then the questions will already be posed differently. And the Russian leadership did the right thing to temporarily stop this abscess. And for the reasons of the influx of migrants, then we need to “go through” the law on migration and the introduction of international passports with countries outside the Customs Union.
      2. Very old
        Very old 13 June 2013 09: 28 New
        +2
        Russia has never had friends and allies. ODKB-Fiktsiya. ODKB is only Russia. All its members will crawl to the side at the very first “hedgehog”, each has his own shirt closer ... This lion has browded friends all over the world, yes the first "democrat" friend Kol. But the Russian sovereigns are the army and navy. And most importantly, only Russia's own interests. It is not for nothing that British politicians have raised a simple formula to the highest rank: we have no allies, we have interests.
  • crasever
    crasever 13 June 2013 06: 50 New
    +7
    The political and military leadership of Syria, having analyzed the events preceding the "uprising of the opposition", made the only right decision - to fight to the end !!! As they say in the East: "Woe to the one who lowered the sword!"
  • Veter
    Veter 13 June 2013 06: 51 New
    10
    Along with the supply of powerful weapons to our base, it is necessary to use the migration lever, a powerful economic tool. And do not say that Azerbaijan will live without a slave of power in Russia, because what is observed on the streets of Russia indicates the opposite.

    Py.Sy Yesaul thanks for the analytics
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 13 June 2013 07: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Veter
      And do not say that Azerbaijan will live without a slave of power in Russia, because what is observed on the streets of Russia indicates the opposite.

      The ethnic composition of the migration growth in Russia for 1992-2007: Russians - 65,1%, Armenians - 7,2%, Ukrainians and Belarusians - 6,6%, Tatars - 5,4%, Azerbaijanis - 2,3%, Bashkirs, Mari, Mordovians, Udmurts and Chuvashs - 1,9%, other peoples of Russia - 2,0%, the rest - 9,5%.
      1. Veter
        Veter 13 June 2013 12: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Gooch
        Russians - 65,1% ... Tatars - 5,4% .... Bashkirs, Mari, Mordovians, Udmurts and Chuvashs - 1,9%, other peoples of Russia - 2,0%

        are all migrants? belay
        Especially: "other nations of Russia"

        Kyrgyz, Uzbeks did not come to us during this period? Come on.

        С stretch these figures illuminate the recorded migration.
        Are you on the streets of Russian cities?
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 13 June 2013 14: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: Veter
          Kyrgyz, Uzbeks did not come to us during this period? Come on.

          They are probably located to the section "The rest") 9.5% all the same, too much)
          Moreover, I drew attention only to the Azerbaijanis, because you are so fiercely cursing for their labor force, by the way in Russia there is a tuyeva heath of Azerbaijanis with Russian citizenship and passports, are they also migrant workers?
          1. Veter
            Veter 13 June 2013 15: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Gooch
            are they also migrant tunnels?

            Stole, Stole.

            Quote: Gooch
            Tuev Hucha of Azerbaijanis with Russian Citizenship

            But this is a flaw in the competent authorities. I’m not saying that all 100% in this “thuy heap” acquired illegally a Russian passport. And the question is different.
            I am talking about illegal immigrants in the first place.

            2,3% of where is the figure, who calculated and what does it mean? 2,3% of the population of the Russian Federation or Azerbaijan?
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 13 June 2013 15: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: Veter
              2,3% of where is the figure, who calculated and what does it mean? 2,3% of the population of the Russian Federation or Azerbaijan?

              It is written that the migration growth of the population of Russia, obviously the percentage from there was calculated.
        2. rus9875
          rus9875 13 June 2013 14: 13 New
          +1
          These statistics are for citizens of Russia. The remaining 9,5% are Kyrgyz, etc. And on the city streets you see migrant workers who do not have reliable statistics on them.
          1. Veter
            Veter 13 June 2013 15: 03 New
            0
            Quote: rus9875
            These statistics are for citizens of Russia

            The peoples living in the territory of Russia (Bashkirs, Mari, Mordovians, Udmurts and Chuvashs) are also referred to as persons newly granted citizenship of the Russian Federation ???


            Quote: rus9875
            You see migrant workers on them there are no reliable statistics at all

            What do you pray for statistics. I am talking about illegal immigrants first of all
  • olviko
    olviko 13 June 2013 07: 28 New
    +4
    The base in Gyumri is also good because it has a runway suitable for receiving transport aircraft. If necessary, it will be possible to quickly transfer the Iskander or S-300 to Syria. We will agree with Iran and Iraq, I think so. We have a common enemy.
  • cartridge
    cartridge 13 June 2013 07: 43 New
    +3
    Russia has the right to declare and determine the zone of its interests without regard to the self-appointed world “looker” represented by the States. And therefore, it has the right to make efforts to ensure a stable situation in its border zone. Hence the tireless efforts to stabilize the situation, hence the actions to support their allies and partners.


    Not seeing this means being politically stupid. Unfortunately, such stupid presidents from our neighbors come across.
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 13 June 2013 07: 46 New
    +4
    "... sees in Russian power not only a strong guarantor in the sphere of interests of Armenia, but also a generous comrade who does not look at a small republic as a vassal." Yes, and never has been, always from the center of Russia in Soviet times, and received funds and material assistance to the republics of the USSR. Therefore, in Russia there are still no good roads! But in the Baltics there!
  • Pf, fqrfktw
    Pf, fqrfktw 13 June 2013 07: 48 New
    +8
    Esaulu: Excuse me, but did the Gordian knot A. Macedon cut, but not Caesar, however?
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 13 June 2013 08: 16 New
      +2
      Yes, A. Macedonian ...

      in my opinion, the compromise between Baku and Yerevan is not yet visible, because Armenia is ready to give back too few square kilometers ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 36 New
        0
        Quote: fisherman
        in my opinion, the compromise between Baku and Yerevan is not yet visible, because Armenia is ready to give back too few square kilometers ...

        Because hope that in alliance with Russia!
        Armenia is getting weaker every day, and Azerbaijan is stronger!
        The later Armenia leaves these territories, the more it will lose!
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 13 June 2013 11: 09 New
        +3
        .. until the confrontation of the two religions is allowed, there will be no peace in KARABAKH!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 11: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          . Until the confrontation of the two religions is allowed, there will be no peace in KARABAKH!

          I agree that the parties supporting one or the other side most of all proceed from religious preferences!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 32 New
      -2
      Quote: Pf, fqrfktw
      saulu: Excuse me, but did the Gordian knot of A. Macedon cut, and not Caesar, however?

      and it doesn’t matter to him, just to write!
      I say I heard a ring, but I don’t know where he is!
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 13 June 2013 11: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Pf, fqrfktw
      Excuse me, but did Gordian Knot cut the Macedonian knot, but not Caesar however?


      this is not his first or last jamb. laughing
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 13 June 2013 16: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        this is not his first or last jamb.

        We look forward to continuing wassat
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 13 June 2013 07: 50 New
    -2
    *** This is the fact that by its constant efforts to assert itself in its independence, by numerous unspoken alliances, first with Iran, then with Turkey and NATO (the appetite comes with eating), with its eternal fears that the Kremlin will lay its palm on the oil wealth of Baku and its hoping to join the “fraternal family of European peoples”, the Republic of Azerbaijan crossed that unsteady line separating good neighborliness from the polite and tolerant neighborhood that had developed before that. *** -As always, from a bad mind to a healthy one, as they say!
    Esaul Russia chose the country of aggressor as its allies Armenia, Russia in alliance with the enemy of Azerbaijan, and not Azerbaijan with the enemies of Russia!
    Before you write nonsense about the desire for NATO in Azerbaijan, see the materiel!
    Azerbaijan has been a member of the organization of NON-ACCESSION countries for several years, I hope you know what it is, although it has a moral right to be included in another block!

    *** And this allowed the eternal opponents of Russia, seizing the string, to unleash a whole bunch of contradictions between Baku and Moscow. How can I condemn the policy pursued by I. Aliyev? He does what his understanding of the independence of his country tells him. The only thing he forgot about is that his father, the respected G. Aliyev, always avoided considering Russia as a potential adversary. *** -Another stupid thing!
    What tangle of contradictions and an example show that someone is spinning it from the outside ??
    Where Aliyev called Russia a potential adversary!
    As usual, write something that you have no idea!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 09: 42 New
      +4
      for Esaul, read, look, hang out!
      here about Gabala and how Azerbaijan is arming itself!

  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 13 June 2013 08: 05 New
    -1
    *** And until recently, Russia has made relentless efforts so that such relations do not appear and do not continue. *** -what and in what was this expressed?
    *** But, the actions that Azerbaijan has taken in recent years, namely: - increased build-up of its military potential under the rhetoric of revenge on Karabakh, constant pressure on Russia to intervene in the conflict from the perspective of one of the parties (of course, more preferably Azerbaijani) , curtailing cooperation programs in the field of collective security, flirting with NATO (this was especially evident in the days of the escalation of the Iran-NATO confrontation two years ago) expressed in the provision of its airfields as jump airfields for bombing Iran. ***-Let's go in order!
    1. Azerbaijan is arming itself and strengthening the army not for revenge, but for the liberation of occupied territories by Armenia!
    2. Russia has long intervened in the conflict from one of the states, namely from Armenia, since it is in a military bloc with this strange one !!
    3. What programs were curtailed? You have a sick imagination!
    4. And the fact that they wrote about the airfields * slip-jump *, once again shows your incompetence and bias !!

    Azerbaijan did not represent any of its airfields to any country!
    You’re like a * patriot * -why do you use nobody and nothing unconfirmed * duck * * forigen polis * ??
    5 Most of the modern weapons that Azerbaijan has acquired in recent years are those sold by Russia to Azerbaijan!
    the rest in the same vein heard a ringing, but does not know where he is!
    If you would carefully read the periodic news, Ilham Aliyev on the issue of the Gabala station would answer in detail in an interview with RTR!
    In a word, write nonsense, in principle, this is your level !!
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 13 June 2013 11: 32 New
      +4
      ... you wiped a tear after such an answer ... but everything is in order, so a number of questions arose ::
      1. So whose land is it? How to name the people who lived on this earth, even when such a people as "Azerbaijanis" were not defined as independent. And when this people is driven out of this land, but it does not want it and resists genocide, then who is the occupier and invader ?!
      2. Why does Azerbaijan not return the lands captured by IRAN with the same frenzy ... but 2/3 of all Azerbaijanis in the world live there? Is it because you are both of the same faith there and in yourselves, and in Karabakh - the irreconcilable faiths you have ???
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 June 2013 13: 21 New
        -3
        Dear Cossack, Azerbaijanis (and there are 30 million of them) live on their own land. Iran did not seize them. Turks ruled Iran for centuries. Iran became Farsky (Persian) in the beginning of the 20th century, with the advent of the Pahlavi dynasty. The invader is an invader, it does not depend on faith, and it must be fought.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 24 New
        0
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Why Azerbaijan doesn’t return lands captured by IRAN with the same frenzy



        they are not officially our territories .., but the territory of the universally recognized Islamic Republic of Iran ... and we are not our neighbors to shout about the right of nations to self-determination ... and seize the territory of another state .....
        we don’t want someone else’s .......
    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 13 June 2013 13: 35 New
      +6
      Yarbay

      I apologize. Interfering in your political debate.

      I am not a connoisseur of Armenia and Azerbaijan. But...

      Here are the facts:
      Over the past 5 years, Azerbaijan has been actively buying from Russia (at the Kazan Air Force) the latest Mi-8 military helicopters. During this time, I saw something about 12-15 pcs. in the process of distillation to the south. In addition, the Engels ARZ is actively repairing old turntables from this country.

      So, definitely preparing!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 13: 46 New
        -2
        Quote: aviamed90
        Over the past 5 years, Azerbaijan has been actively buying from Russia (at the Kazan Air Force) the latest Mi-8 military helicopters

        Besides
        last year, Mi-35m-36 pieces were received!
        Mi 171 are also purchased!
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: aviamed90
        So, definitely preparing!

        Quote: aviamed90
        So, definitely preparing!



        and right !!!! bought about 35 pieces .. as the Russian Proverb says - hope in God, but he’s not bad
        th .... hi
  • pensioner
    pensioner 13 June 2013 08: 15 New
    +2
    Good morning everyone! Esaul thank you very much for the article. It is always informative, the content is close to my ideas about current events and is understandable to me. He led physics at Armenians in EVAKU. Everyone fought in Karabakh. Incredibly trained guys. And physically, and morally, and intellectually. The youngest of them, Bodosyan, at that time was 19., i.e. during the war he was 15-16. And why do they all need Karabakh? Divided in half, swore that they would not attack each other, hands shook and fled. Here is my suggestion. True of me, the diplomat is still one ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 June 2013 09: 07 New
      +1
      The diplomat of you is really none. Would you agree to share the homeland with the aggressor? if not then why are you offering this to us?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 13 June 2013 09: 45 New
        +5
        I heard a lot about Karabakh on the topic: "Our Karabakh!" both from Armenians and Azerbaijanis. And as for the aggressor, this is for the Armenians. They think something different. But I’m in difficulty ... I understand that you are going to fight? Because I don’t see: how to beg Armenia to return Karabakh as a whole. Do you have a plan?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: retired
          Do you have a plan?



          Passepartout --- do you have a plan, Mr. Fix ---, yes !!! use what is at hand and do not look for another)))
          The main battle tank T-90S. Purchased in Russia in 2011
          Jet fire system 9K57 "Hurricane
          Anti-aircraft missile system "Tor" 9K330.
          Mi-35M combat helicopter
          BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle hi
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 13 June 2013 11: 00 New
            +4
            The plan is not bad, not bad ... But on the other hand, how?
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 13 June 2013 11: 06 New
              -2
              Quote: retired
              And on the other hand, how



              slingshots ... sticks .... tanks without a solarium ... and supplications ... that Armenia was the first to adopt Christianity .... hi
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 13 June 2013 11: 39 New
                +4
                What if slingshots with a thermobaric propelling charge, and sticks of high-precision hit? Yes, and there are still plenty of icons ... Here everything needs to be thought out, scouted ...
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 25 New
                  -1
                  Quote: retired
                  What if slingshots with a thermobaric propelling charge, and sticks of high-precision hit? Yes, and there are still plenty of icons ... Here everything needs to be thought out, scouted ...



                  Well, you, my friend, have come up with a new Weapon ... you would be at the Nobel Prize ...... laughing
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 13 June 2013 14: 20 New
                    +4
                    Where give? What bag to take?
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 13 June 2013 14: 41 New
                      +3
                      Quote: retired
                      Where give? What bag to take?



                      You first give the application .... laughing and co-authored with our Armenian neighbors .... their diaspora is strong all over the world.)))) maybe someone from them also sits on the Prize Commission ..)))))) GOOD LUCK !!!!!! !
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 13: 11 New
                +5
                Quote: smersh70
                slingshots ... sticks .... tanks without a solarium ... and supplications ... that Armenia was the first to adopt Christianity.

                And add, from the other side of Russia. If Aliyev was sure that Russia would not stick up for Armenia, he would have already started a war, and in spite of t 90, the TOP, and BMP ...... scary however hi
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 13 June 2013 13: 20 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  If Aliyev was sure that Russia would not stick up for Armenia

                  Sanya is not the only question!
                  The fact of the matter is that Western countries do not want this and hinder!
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 40 New
                  +3
                  Here I am about that. But the patriots of Azerbaijan somehow do not want to realize this fact.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 June 2013 13: 50 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Here I am about that. But the patriots of Azerbaijan somehow do not want to realize this fact.

                    Not in this case!
                    Where and when??
                    None of us have any influence on the decision that our leadership makes, in my case, Thank God, since I would not have thought about anything and would have started the war!
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 52 New
                      +2
                      The fact is that your authorities understand that Russia will be drawn into such a conflict.
                3. smersh70
                  smersh70 13 June 2013 14: 03 New
                  -2
                  [quote = Alexander Romanov] [quote = smersh70] slingshots ... sticks ... tanks without a solarium ... and supplications ... that Armenia was the first to adopt Christianity. [/ quote]
                  And add, from the other side of Russia.

                  but according to your words .. if Russia is so advocating for Armenia .. why is it selling weapons to the enemies of the Armenians ... that is, to us .... something is a bit of a crap .....
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 18 New
                    +5
                    Quote: smersh70
                    but according to your words .. if Russia so advocates for Armenia .. why is it selling weapons to the enemies of the Armenians.

                    And at what intergovernmental agreements is this being done, do you know this? It is possible that weapons were sold under legal guarantees not to use these weapons against Armenia. Can you refute this option?
                    1. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 13 June 2013 14: 37 New
                      +1
                      Not application in Karabakh is unlikely to be included there, since Karabakh, the Azerbaijani land hi
                    2. smersh70
                      smersh70 13 June 2013 14: 43 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Can you refute this option?



                      Probably another 20% of the territory we occupied another country)) and we did not know ...)) and this weapon will be directed against. Well, I think Turkmenistan .... laughing
                    3. Gooch
                      Gooch 13 June 2013 14: 47 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And at what intergovernmental agreements is this being done, do you know this? It is possible that weapons were sold under legal guarantees not to use these weapons against Armenia. Can you refute this option?

                      Everything is in order, if the shell flies in the direction of Ormenia, it will return by boomerang, guarantees, shoot in Azerbaijan, do not shoot in Karabakh. Programmed like this
                    4. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 13 June 2013 16: 48 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And at what intergovernmental agreements is this being done, do you know this?

                      Hi Sasha hi Everything is simpler, nothing personal is just a business wassat
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 13 June 2013 13: 42 New
          -1
          senior citizen And you think. Take any atlas of the world. On whose territory is Karabakh indicated? 4 UN Resolutions On Liberation of Occupied Azerbaijan Lands Adopted. Do you think the Armenians admit that they are invaders?
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 13 June 2013 14: 54 New
            +3
            As for thinking, I do not really. But I can listen. And for all this time I did not understand whose Karabakh actually (or common?). What about the UN? Well, what is it? she did not consider Georgia an aggressor, and Israel. Not authority for me. There must be a solution without the UN. Must. Peaceful.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 June 2013 08: 19 New
    +8
    Russia MATUS gets up with KNEE.
    Whoever says that, and I Will go again for VOVKA PUTIN to vote, He is a wise and cunning politician.
    how not how he thinks about the country! and Amers need to twist their hands.
  • Muxauk
    Muxauk 13 June 2013 08: 45 New
    +7
    all again to Russia and the issue is resolved))
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 13 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +7
    Yes, ESAUL, this is not the USSR, when it was worth saying - "The Politburo decided so"
    and no one decided to mind.
    The reality of a different cut, and as you know - "East is a delicate matter." Everything flows, everything changes, and HEADS learn. They learn how to behave in order to "fall" from that BARSKY SHOULDER!
    Alas! In those days, in the USSR, many spoke with their tongues — we feed these republics! why are they needed. By the simplicity of its soulfulness and because of the brains blunted by beer, it didn’t reach that these republics would never change their status on the "outskirts" of Russia! And, therefore, a special relation to oneself cannot be different.
    In other words, it cannot be given otherwise!
    By your mouth ......
    It turned out well.
    Time will tell.
  • tan0472
    tan0472 13 June 2013 09: 25 New
    +7
    Azerbaijan has a big national idea - the return of Karabakh. He does everything he can to bring it to life. And, perhaps, the desire of the Azerbaijani people will come true. But Azerbaijan will not have new great desires (and problems) after that?
    (I heard about a Soviet family whose head had a great desire - to buy a car. The income was small and that is why the family did not dress and eat well for many years. A dream came true. But the father of the family, complete with the car, developed a stomach ulcer. I think that it wasn’t worth it. I don’t know what the father of the family thought about this. Maybe he was pleased.)
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 24 New
      -1
      I. Aliyev continues to implement the doctrine of the balance of interests of superpowers in Azerbaijan. And the permanent conflicts and frictions that arise with the European Union, then with Iran, then with the USA, and with Russia, only confirm the validity of this argument, because strict adherence to a policy of balancing the interests of all powers that can violate prevailing stability periodically leads to friction in relations with those or other states. The same thing happened during the reign of Heydar Aliyev. I. Aliyev continued the course of his father in foreign policy. Just in comparison with G. Aliyev, he is less compliant, which is connected with the 50 billionth stabilization fund of the successor. Father-president, organically dependent on loans from world funds, could not afford harsh rhetoric and such intransigence. A son can, for he is the president of a self-sufficient raw-material state endowed with a well-coordinated administrative and bureaucratic apparatus. The most smooth and even relations have developed between Azerbaijan and Russia, and traditionally, since the time of the political and ideological partnership of Heydar Aliyev and Vladimir Putin. And the current leadership of Russia, perhaps the latest among all external forces, is interested in changing the status quo. Baku is the most reliable and skillful political ally of Moscow. Not annoying the West and not causing much damage to its economic interests, the Azerbaijani government gradually, skillfully, step by step, bloodlessly, systematically and purposefully practically knocked out the institutions of political influence of the West from the country.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 13 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +4
    Yes ... With the Gordian knot, Yesaul, you certainly got excited ...
    1. esaul
      13 June 2013 18: 46 New
      +1
      recourse
      Quote: retired
      Yes ... With the Gordian knot, Yesaul, you certainly got excited ...

      Hi Yuri hi I have already repented, downstream. request
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  • shurup
    shurup 13 June 2013 10: 12 New
    +7
    I do not refer Azerbaijan to the republics. Rather, it is a monarchy. All monarchs secretly or loudly sin by the complex of A. Macedon. When their Persian relatives get bored, they will come, take away all the tanks and put them in the box.
    Armenia should not be like a timid penguin who hides a fat body in the cliffs. Penguins walk in formation only in the ocean and, for a specific purpose, go fishing.
    The Russian eagle, as usual, strictly turned away, but if they interfere with the laying of eggs, then it may be offended.
  • Opera
    Opera 13 June 2013 10: 24 New
    10
    Russia does not rely on the Armenians and does not rely on them - the post-Soviet behavior taught many once fraternal republics! Russia relies on its base in Armenia. There was a Russian radar station in Azerbaijan ... Those who want to think that it has not died for purely economic reasons or even more for environmental reasons may well hope that the situation in the Caucasus will be stabilized by aliens! And even the radar is not the root cause of the cooling in relations between Moscow and Baku, I think this is just the last straw. The movement of Azerbaijan towards Turkey, the USA and Israel, military-technical cooperation, etc., is this not a change in the foreign policy vector ?! Does it bode well for Russia, something good in the region ?! Or should Russia not have any interests there ?! I don’t want to quote Azerbaijani media about Russia here and I won’t write about Azerbaijanis who have flooded Russian cities ... I can only say that, according to the Azerbaijani authorities, Azerbaijani organizations in Russia (consisting of Russian citizens of Azerbaijani nationality) must coordinate their actions with the official Baku! Not weak!
    Azerbaijan’s foreign policy is a purely Azerbaijani affair. If some steps in the region caused by this policy are in conflict with the interests of Russia, do not be offended by Russia! Do not shout that Russia supports enemies, Russia on its side - Russian! Learned the glory of God!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 46 New
      -1
      here is the cooperation with NATO-- laughing
      Azerbaijan bought a batch of Msta-S self-propelled howitzers. Vesti.Az reports that AzeriDefence was informed about this by military sources.
      Azerbaijan will demonstrate T-26S tanks for the first time at a military parade of the Armed Forces on June 90.
      This was reported to APA in military sources.
      These tanks were purchased in Russia in 2011.
      9K57 Hurricane Jet Fire System. Taken into service by the armies of various countries since 1975, this 220 mm caliber multiple launch rocket system. capable of destroying targets at a distance of 10 to 36 km.
      Mi-35M combat helicopter. The first batch of these helicopters, which are in service with the State Border Service, was delivered to Azerbaijan in December 2011. The contract signed with Russia in 2010 provides for the supply of 24 helicopters. Last year, Russia sent another 8 helicopters to Azerbaijan.
      BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle. At the 2011 parade, only 3 BMP-3 units made their passage, this year their number has been increased.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        Azerbaijan will demonstrate T-26S tanks for the first time at a military parade of the Armed Forces on June 90.

        Elections are coming soon in Azerbaijan; the authority of the authorities needs to be raised.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 14: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Elections are coming soon in Azerbaijan; the authority of the authorities needs to be raised.

          for this, salaries and pensions will be raised))))
          And Power has no potential competitors !!
          Even if they do nothing, there is no such person who could count on success in the elections!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            And Power has no potential competitors !!

            There is Alibek, now there is already and you think you know. Moreover, Aliyev is not allowed for a third term, who will be moved what -Wife. Or Aliyev changed the constitution for himself wink

            Quote: Yarbay
            Even if they do nothing, there is no such person who could count on success in the elections!



            He will be a single candidate from the entire opposition, and this is serious.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 15: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There is Alibek, now there is already and you think you know. Moreover, Aliyev is not allowed for a third term, who will move his wife. Or Aliyev changed the constitution for himself

              The constitution has long been amended and Aliyev nominated for the presidency!
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              He will be a single candidate from the entire opposition, and this is serious.

              he is not a competitor!
              Sanya is no offense, but you do not know the reality!
              Here the opposition will never unite, and even united will not gain more than 10 percent of the vote!
              Because all the old faces that had done a lot of garbage at one time!
              The ambitions of their leaders brought them to this state!
              Faces have not changed, haven’t put forward new leaders, young ones, and so weave!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 15: 11 New
          +1
          Dear Alexander !!!! by buying tanks, no government will raise its authority .. well, this is not serious .. you say Azerbaijan is an enemy of Russia (well, you do not openly speak, like some here), then why should the Russian authorities raise the rating of power in Aliyev’s sale of tanks ..
          then let them not sell .... but let's go buy Abrams .. Altai .... well, to the extreme T-34 from the Serbs or the Afghans ... they have a lot of this iron ... hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 15: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            by buying tanks no authority will raise its authority

            People go to military parades and want to see a powerful army and modern technology, they respect such power.
            Quote: smersh70
            then why should the Russian authorities raise the rating of power in Aliyev by selling tanks ..

            Or maybe this agreement with the supply of arms tied Aliyev’s hands what is happening in the corridors of power and what we’ll agree on, we won’t know.
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 13 June 2013 15: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              People go to military parades and want to see a powerful army and modern technology, they respect such power.

              I thought they respect that power under which you can buy yourself normal grub, normal clothes, a normal car, a normal apartment, drive on normal roads, have a good perspective in your country. And then here is Che, having the more tanks and rockets, the cooler.
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 13 June 2013 15: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Or maybe this agreement with the supply of weapons



              in principle, I agree with 1 part !!! but with 2 part 100 no .. so I don’t vote))))
  • Opera
    Opera 13 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    Thank you Esaul for the article! Well done, Valera!
  • fisherman
    fisherman 13 June 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    Azerbaijan will quickly stop gearing if it is made clear that 2 million of its fellow citizens
    and their wealth, finances may be held hostage in a situation unfavorable for Russia.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 10: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: fisherman
      Azerbaijan will quickly stop gearing if it is made clear that 2 million of its fellow citizens



      In Nizhny Novgorod, on June 12, activists of the Young Guard of the United Russia party, together with the Nizhny Novgorod regional branch of the United Russia party and the Youth Organization at the National Cultural Autonomy of Azerbaijanis in Nizhny Novgorod, held an action dedicated to the celebration of Russia Day. Vesti.Az reported Rasim Kuliev, the chairman of the youth organization at the NKA of Azerbaijanis in Nizhny Novgorod, a generation that forgets the heroism of their ancestors in the past, will not see worthy sons in the present or in the future. “Therefore, today, on the Day of Russia, representatives of Russian and Azerbaijani youth shoulder-to-shoulder carried flowers to the memorial complex on the territory of the Nizhny Novgorod Kremlin, built in honor of the Soviet soldiers who died in the Great Patriotic War. We did this in the name of past and future generations of Russians, as well as peoples who bravely defended their common Motherland. After all, it should be noted that the Azerbaijani nation showed great will and heroism both during the Great Patriotic War and throughout the entire period of history and the formation of the Russian state as a whole, ”he emphasized.
      The action at the memorial ended with a minute of silence in honor of the dead heroes.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 June 2013 11: 52 New
      +1
      C'mon ???? these 2 million are not all citizens of Azerbaijan. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and how will I and my property become a hostage ??? A hundred times already they said here do not confuse Azerbaijanis with Armenians and Tajiks, where money transfers and Russian loans have a huge reprimand to the economies of these countries.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 13 June 2013 10: 55 New
    +6
    Events around KARABAKH cannot be considered without reference to historical roots. The territory of present AZERBAIJAN is the territory of the former GREAT NAGORNO ALBANIA (VNA), which fell apart under the blows of the Persians and Turks .. This led to the emergence of a new state formation in Absheron in the middle of the year 500 of our era, based on the Persians and Turks .. . later they assimilated and formed a new people - now we call them Azerbaijanis. And the VNA itself broke up, partly went to Georgia and Turkey (remember ARARAT), part of the enclaves with the aborigines remained on the territory of the current AZERBAIJAN - this is KARABAKH ... part in other places in the form of former districts or separate settlements. So, for example, there are 4 villages in the Gabala region (it used to be KABALA, then KUTKASHEN. To get into bondage, that is, into slavery, went from the largest slave market in Kabbalah. The ruins of the former are proud 4 km from the position of the Gabala radar station) . All of these mini-enclaves remained faithful to the Armenian Orthodox Church. Part of the VNA population went to the Balkans and formed the current ALBANIA, having changed faith under the influence of Turkey. The alien Persians and Turks brought their faith - Mohammedanism. If Orthodoxy is quite tolerant of other faiths and teachings, then Islam is not applicable to any other religion. If you do not profess Islam, then gyaur and are subject to destruction. Here in the confrontation of these two worldviews and the whole essence of the conflict around KARABAKH. After all, there is nothing more implacable than a war on a religious basis. While there was the Soviet Union, it was all extinguished and driven into a deep underground. Although, to be honest, the Orthodox Albanians are Armenians in the years of owls. the authorities were on the verge of extinction, so they were spread rot by the new titular nation. I personally witnessed this. After the formation of the autonomous AZERBAIJAN and its transition under the influence of TURKEY, a worldview war broke out on a new, more acute basis.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      All of these mini-enclaves remained faithful to the Armenian Orthodox Church


      those who lived in Gabala remained loyal to the Albanian Apostolic Church ...

      Quote: KazaK Bo
      then Islam is not applicable to any other religion.

      according to the recognition of many heads of state, it is Azerbaijan that is one of the most tolerant countries in the world ..... you will come to Baku, see which church they played off ... how Jews live in Guba ... like in the village of SIC (where the Oudins live) - - repaired churches

      really started well ..... but ended up badly wink
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 13 June 2013 11: 39 New
        +2
        ... and I finished my koment correctly ... since all this passed before my eyes and I was familiar with participants in events of almost all levels, both from the Azerbaijani and the opposite side ... And I remember perfectly well the pastors of the Armenian Orthodox Church , and not the Albanian Apostolic, although some representatives of this faith were then ....
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          Armenian Orthodox Church, not Albanian Apostolic



          I'm talking about the beginning of the 19th century ....)))) then the Albanian church existed ... and now of course .. no ....
          and in general during the time of Shakespeare there were no cigarettes. winked
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 13 June 2013 13: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        according to the recognition of many heads of state, namely Azerbaijan, one of the most tolerant countries in the world ..... come to Baku, see which church they played


        Orthodoxy and Catholicism in Azerbaijan.



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        2. Apollo
          Apollo 13 June 2013 13: 24 New
          +4
          extension

          Synagogues in Azerbaijan

    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 11: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      Events around KARABAKH cannot be considered without reference to historical roots

      In today's world historiography, most scholars of the Ancient East agree that the Balkans (Southeastern Europe) were the original homeland of the Khai people.

      The coryphaeus of Armenian studies N. Adonts wrote: in the VIII century BC in Thrace, in the Balkans, the Cimmerians, one of the "peoples of the sea", by definition of ancient Egyptian written monuments, appeared. The Cimmerians, having made contact with the ancestors of the Armenians, then took them with them to the east - to Asia Minor. It was in this way that the “fellow travelers” of the Cimmerians found themselves in the Asia Minor historical region of Phrygia.

      “Father of History” - Herodotus, pointed out that the Armenians are descendants of the Phrygians. I. Chopin, a Russian Caucasian historian of the XNUMXth century, also believed that “Armenians are aliens. This is the tribe of the Phrygians and Ionians who crossed into the northern valleys of the Anatolian mountains. ”

      The famous Armenist M.Abegyan pointed out: “they suggest that the ancestors of the Armenians (hai) long before our era lived in Europe, near the ancestors of the Greeks and Thracians, from where they crossed to Asia Minor. At the time of Herodotus in the XNUMXth century BC we still clearly remembered that the Armenians came to their country from the west. ”

      The fact that the ancestral home of Armenians is located outside the South Caucasus and even Asia Minor is written by the outstanding Russian scientist I.M.Dyakonov, who, on the basis of linguistic analysis of the ancient Armenian language, revealed that this language is Indo-European. Thereby, the put forward idea of ​​the relatedness of the Armenian language with the language of the ancient state of Urartu located around Lake Van in Asia Minor, where the Armenians appeared much later, is removed. Dyakonov notes: “the ancestor of the ancient Armenian language could only be Indo-European, not related either to the Hurrit-Urartian languages, not to the Hutt, nor to the modern Caucasian languages, nor to the Semitic ... since the ancient Armenian language is not related to the languages ​​of the autochthons of the Armenian Highlands - Hurrians, Urartians, it’s clear brought here from outside. "

      The well-known Armenist G. A. Kapantsyan came to the same conclusion in a special study on the “pre-Caucasian homeland” of Armenians: “The location of the Hayas-Azzi country should be confined mainly to the space between the upper reaches of the Euphrates (Kara-su), Chorokh and Araks” is in Asia Minor, outside the Caucasus.

      American historians Justin and Carolyn McCartney adhere to this opinion in the book "Turki and Armenians", Austrian researcher Erich Feigl in "The Truth about Terror", and other foreign scholars.

      The ancestors of the Armenian people - hai who migrated from the Balkans to the Armenian Highlands (East Asia Minor), the ancient Medes and Persians who lived in the neighborhood, were named after their former neighbors - Armenians, and the territory itself - Armenia. The ancient Greeks and Romans began to name the new people and the territory occupied by them, through which these names - the ethnonym "Armenians" and the toponym "Armenia" were spread in modern historical science.

      Speaking about the life, customs, and customs of Armenians, researcher M. Abeghyan notes the great influence of Iranian culture on them: “first of all, it is noticeable in the Armenian language, there are a lot of Persian words that are finally Armenized ... Not to mention numerous proper names, you can count about eight hundred root words borrowed from the Persian language. They relate to various aspects of life and culture, namely: military art, life, classes and social life, crafts, trade, religion, flora, etc. ” It is enough to name the Armenian names of Iranian origin - Arshak and Trdat, Tigran and Vardan, Artavazd and Nerses, Artashes and Karen, Suren and Anush; toponymic endings of the Iranian root such as shen, kert, -kan, van, for example, Tigranakert, Sevan, Van, Dastakert, Pemzashen, Kirovakan.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 11: 44 New
        +2
        On the other hand, the ancient Greeks and Syrians had a great influence on the Armenian language and culture. Researcher K.N.Yuzbashyan concludes: “The role of Byzantium in the formation of Armenian culture is extremely large ... In the field of literature, you can insist, if not on equality, then on the unconditional commensurability of Greek and Syrian influence. The Greek language had a huge impact on the development of the vocabulary and syntax of the Armenian literary language ... For many centuries, the fate of the Armenians was largely determined by relations with two worlds - Iranian and Greco-Roman, later - Byzantine. ” In connection with the foregoing, it is worth mentioning the history of the creation of the Armenian alphabet: as proved by the works of G. Sevak and D. A. Olderogge, this alphabet is basically of South Semitic origin and is almost identical with the Ethiopian writing system. The Russian Caucasian historian VL Velichko noted at the beginning of the 50th century: “Armenians, people of unknown origin, with undoubtedly significant admixture of Jewish, Syro-Chaldean and gypsy blood ..; not all who consider themselves to be Armenians belong to the indigenous Armenian tribe. For example, the Armenian journal “Murch”, speaking of the considerable ability of Armenians to assimilate other nationalities, pointed out at the end of the XNUMXs (XIX century) the presence of a rather large percentage of assimilated Roma among Armenians: talented people came out of assimilated Roma-Armenians. For example, Kerobe Patkanyan, a professor at St. Petersburg University, was of gypsy descent, monk poet Alamdaryan was also two of the current Armenian writers of gypsy descent, the national poet Ganes-oglu, who composed many poems, and others. ” In this regard, the researcher S.P. Zelinsky noted that the Armenians, who appeared at different times in Karabakh, did not understand each other's language: “The main difference between the Armenians of different places of Zangezur (which was part of the Karabakh khanate) are the dialects in which they they say. There are almost as many dialects as there are districts or individual villages. ” From the above statements of Russian Caucasus experts

        Several conclusions can be drawn from the above statements of the Russian Caucasian historians of the XIX - early XX centuries: the Armenian ethnos could not be an autochthon not only in Karabakh or in Azerbaijan, but also in the South Caucasus as a whole. Zangezur (now part of the Armenian Republic), which was part of Karabakh, as well as in other zones of Azerbaijan, Armenians settled from different countries and at different times. Arriving in the Caucasus at different periods of history, the “Armenians” did not suspect the existence of each other, and spoke different dialects, that is, at that time there was no concept of a single Armenian language. The Caucasian scholars, speaking of the presence of “natives of Armenia” or “indigenous Armenians of Karabag” in Karabakh and Azerbaijan, mean that the Caucasian Albans did not accept Islam and professed the Armenian-Gregorian faith and became ill-fed only 3-4 centuries ago.

        http://www.1news.az/analytics/20100731014808350.html
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 June 2013 13: 53 New
      +1
      KAZAK YOU NEED TO GIVE A PULITSEER AWARD FOR THE MOST FANTASTIC STORY. WHERE DO YOU BEGIN SUCH A NONSENSE? ALREADY TARANTED))))))))))
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 13 June 2013 10: 58 New
    +5
    Events around KARABAKH cannot be considered without reference to historical roots. The territory of present AZERBAIJAN is the territory of the former GREAT NAGORNO ALBANIA (VNA), which fell apart under the blows of the Persians and Turks .. This led to the emergence of a new state formation in Absheron in the middle of the year 500 of our era, based on the Persians and Turks .. . later they assimilated and formed a new people - now we call them Azerbaijanis. And the VNA itself broke up, partly went to Georgia and Turkey (remember ARARAT), part of the enclaves with the aborigines remained on the territory of the current AZERBAIJAN - this is KARABAKH ... part in other places in the form of former districts or separate settlements. So, for example, there are 4 villages in the Gabala region (it used to be KABALA, then KUTKASHEN. To get into bondage, that is, into slavery, went from the largest slave market in Kabbalah. The ruins of the former are proud 4 km from the position of the Gabala radar station) . All of these mini-enclaves remained faithful to the Armenian Orthodox Church. Part of the VNA population went to the Balkans and formed the current ALBANIA, having changed faith under the influence of Turkey. The alien Persians and Turks brought their faith - Mohammedanism. If Orthodoxy is quite tolerant of other faiths and teachings, then Islam is not applicable to any other religion. If you do not profess Islam, then gyaur and are subject to destruction. Here in the confrontation of these two worldviews and the whole essence of the conflict around KARABAKH. After all, there is nothing more implacable than a war on a religious basis. While there was the Soviet Union, it was all extinguished and driven into a deep underground. Although, to be honest, the Orthodox Albanians are Armenians in the years of owls. the authorities were on the verge of extinction, so they were spread rot by the new titular nation. I personally witnessed this. After the formation of the autonomous AZERBAIJAN and its transition under the influence of TURKEY, a worldview war broke out on a new, more acute basis.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 13 June 2013 13: 36 New
      +3
      Quote from Kazak B0:
      Events around KARABAKH cannot be considered without reference to historical roots.

      Thanks for the comment good A good, one-piece addition to the theme.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 13 June 2013 18: 19 New
        +1
        [quote = KazaK Bo]

        It is well said that only the population of Caucasian Albania is not Albanians, but Albanians (not related to the Balkan Albanians and representatives of the Kazakh genus Albanians). Throughout history, there has not been a single consolidated Albanian people. Already in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries, the concepts of “Albania” or “Albanian” were, rather, historical. A significant part of the Albanian population on the right bank of the Kura River adopted Christianity, in the early Middle Ages switched to Armenian, mixed with Armenians and was Armenized. Western Albanians were Georgianized and formed the basis of the population of the historical province of Hereti.
        In the XII-XV centuries, the foothill part of Caucasian Albania (the Persian name Arran was intensively populated by Turkic nomads, and gradually the ancient name Arran was replaced by Karabakh (the Turkic-Iranian "Black Garden"). At the same time, the mountainous regions of Karabakh intensely resisted Turkization and became a refuge for the Christian population, by then Armenized.
        Apparently, the Karabakh Armenians (Artsakhs) appeared.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 13 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +5
    Good day to all! hi


    I will not touch on the content of the article. For the simple reason that those who wanted to express their point of view expressed their views. Of course, I would like to oppose the author, but, alas, the author does not leave his favorite trick, throw the article back and then run away. who and what wrote. In my understanding, take for example the defense of a dissertation, the author of a dissertation at the scientific council, presenting his creation, defends and opposes. And what about our "hero", right into the bushes. He will come in the evening and immediately loudly declare that that I was very busy. But they say I’ll walk along comments, and rolls, "So, you wrote Andrei cool," Here you are Sergey, do not delve deeply into the essence of the issue, "You Roman do not clearly represent the depth of the issue", "Oleg Salute, well done, smart"
    Further, given yesterday’s controversy, this was not a discussion but not a srach, and given the character, pride and arrogance of the author, I was firmly convinced that yesterday’s polemic would not leave unanswered, And now this opus saw the light, and most importantly in which The author probably knew and knows that the conflict between the two formerly members of the same state of the USSR is very old and vulnerable for both peoples. To write today and draw me into an unnecessary but really srach, the author will never succeed. The author probably knows how and where to beat. A reception tested but not always verified. Without going into the content (due to the absence of the author) of the article, I would like to dwell a little on the title of the article. To whom the words in the title were addressed, as clear as pepper. Naturally, the republic I represent. Probably he was too shy to write specifically in the veiled he outlined God's gift with scrambled eggs. Azerbaijan was never ungrateful and always appreciated and appreciated friendship and cooperation with Russia. This happened as a result of betrayal, higher party and state As the result of the collapse, not only the Karabakh conflict, but also the Transnistrian, South Ossetian, Abkhaz, etc., etc., arose. Not taking timely and decisive measures to eliminate the criminal elements that laid the foundation for destabilizing the situation in the post-Soviet space. Due to criminal negligence and myopia, we all have what we have.So, before writing such articles for the future, I would advise the author to write in more detail about why traitors, who used to sit in the Kremlin and ruined the USSR, still walk freely at the same time, having received the highest state awards of Russia for the collapse of the USSR ?! winked

    1. esaul
      13 June 2013 17: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      Good day to all!

      hi Have a nice one you too hi
      You hurried a little, a caricature of God, - today I was not so busy. But, apparently, more of yours.
      So - to our sheep. That is - to the inadequate reaction of the patriots of Azerbaijan to the article. Write at least some font size that Russia strengthens its border by strengthening its base in Armenia, one hell - the ambitious and militant alarmists from the Azerbaijan Republic will rush to the cry - "Hate! Where is justice! For ours, we’re too good for it! ..." And after that there is a “crown” - a transition to individuals, whether it is the author of the article under discussion or just a forum member who objected to them. And all this is generously strewn with appeals "to the public" - take a look - what an unscrupulous and, moreover, this slanderer "has not yet been enlightened by the ideas of Chu-Chehe from the leadership of AzR.
      I looked, read ... It's funny. Especially when you consider that it is once again confirmed on the basis of the comments of these (as Apollon quipped) comrade. laughing , the proverb confirms that the thief shouts the loudest - "Catch the thief!". So here, reproaching Russia for the threat invented by these patriots from Russia, in the heat of "controversy", they are turning to revelations about the desire to destroy the obstinate inhabitants of Karabakh.
      What I just didn’t see and why I just didn’t “hear enough” ... But, let's try in order. As the divine flier noted (after all, the Antique Gods all soared! - "I think so ...") / .... Probably he was too shy to write specifically and in a veiled style stated ... / - I did not know the republic - the potential aggressor consciously. And I did so for two reasons
      1. So that there would be no accusations against “VO” as an instigator and - blah blah blah ...
      And despite this, the inciteers, anyway, recognized themselves and became furious.
      2. The purpose of the article was aimed at substantiating the position and role of Russia itself in this region and, as some forum users have correctly noted, by and large, Russia has equal interests on both sides. For the Russian leadership, priority is Russia's interests. And it does not matter to Russia that for some, this position causes gnashing of teeth and hysteria. Regarding the confirmation of tantrums - to Yarbai's comments. From voskl. and question. signs - ripples in the eyes.

      ABOUT! Apollo, salute! Already checked in? A flag (you won’t pull the flag, boy scout) in your hands!
      1. esaul
        13 June 2013 17: 57 New
        +1
        What is surprising. It is surprising how easily metamorphoses of sympathy for comrade Azerbaijan occur - from “I invite to beer!” To “Atu him, the slanderer!” Within two to three days. If you speak critically to the Armenians, you will get beer. If you criticize Azerbaijan, you will not see beer. Knowing this, I do not rush to breed antimony with these comrades.
        And what is not surprising. Not surprisingly, the same ease with which these comrades are ready to adapt to any leader - the one who is stronger. The confirmation? You are welcome!
        Yarbai: / ... that’s not the question! I’m just sure that * interests * are not correctly chosen, Russia made a choice not in her interests mainly from Yeltsin’s personal prejudices and somewhere religious !!
        Choosing the weak and the poor, pushing away the strong and the rich ... /
        That’s all Yarbai ... That's why it’s not surprising that during the collapse of the Union, they, with obsequiousness, smashed the thorn on the border shoulder to shoulder with the Iranian Fedayins and pounded their breasts on Soviet border guards. This is perfectly described in a book about the origins of the Karabakh conflict. And now they are speaking with no less malice and contempt about the same Iran, counting on Turkey, that is, on a stronger one in this historical period.
        Those guys are right who noticed that any mention of this conflict causes terrible hysteria on the part of Azerbaijanis, while the Armenians prefer not to interfere in this. There may be more than one reason. But, the fact that falling to such a srach as the Azerbaijanis admit disgusts them, such a reason has a right to exist.
        1. esaul
          13 June 2013 18: 00 New
          0
          I will answer those who made a comment about my mistake with the Gordian Knot. Accepted guys. Just when I wrote, as ANTI 2 noted yesterday, the batteries were running out after a hard day. There was an idea to use the name of the Rubicon River, and when writing I decided to use an image with a knot. "... But the name is left ...!". This is an analogy with the words "The sediment remained ..." I quote. And then the diplomats from Azr would like to carry the chatter on the topic of names Caesar-Macedon. I was mistaken, but this was also enough for so many statements for the comrades from AzR ...
          What is this talking about? Yes, that not forgetting to talk about their tactfulness and resentment by opponents once in a while, comrades also remember to say once again that their opponents are stupid. Evidence - on the forum. God reproached me for putting pressure on my opponents, not hesitating to take advantage of direct falsifications. Evidence, again, is on the forum. Poking around and fussing proving the opposite to you - I'm not going to. But you, if such a “moderation”, take the trouble to summarize the evidence, at least the screenshots of my posts.
          Honestly - it’s disgusting to sit and try to put narcissistic fools into the heads (namely, you, comrades from the Azerbaijan Republic, adore everyone to say that you see in your opponents' words not understanding the essence of the issue and stupidity. Evidence - on the forum) from "sunny Azerbaijan" understanding that it is permissible to turn the discussion of the essence of the publication into a hysterical screech with accusations against opponents.
          My mood today is magnificent, as my thoughts resonated in the minds of sensible guys on the forum, proof of which is the forum itself. And you, comrades from AzR, you couldn’t spoil it and you won’t be able, no matter how much you wanted to.

          I wish success to all sane and sensible guys. The victory is for Russia, however cunning and hypocritical crooks would like it. laughing drinks hi
          THANKS for supporting those who saw the essence of the article and did not search for a black cat in a dark room. You see, guys, to whom my gratitude is addressed. drinks
          Thank you for pointing out the mistakes, guys. This is not evidence of illiteracy, but only evidence of what is written spontaneously, quickly and with a shortage of free time. Sometimes you have to ask for a change to the editors of an already posted article. request
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 13 June 2013 18: 27 New
            +4
            Quote: esaul
            esaul


            A set of words, everything is mixed up in a heap, where is the beginning and where is the end ........... you can’t even imagine right away, yesterday you were much more adequate than today, I’m trying to answer you but alas, I don’t know how and with what kind of makar It’s easier than that, Valery ?! laughing In my opinion, God has brought you, even too much, God sees, one thing you understood, you wanted to say something and convey some kind of thought, but what exactly didn’t I understand ?! laughing
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 18: 20 New
          0
          Quote: esaul
          That’s all Yarbai ...

          If you had learned to read and understand carefully, now you wouldn’t write such nonsense!
          Moreover, I never saw my questions and objections to the delirium of a single answer you wrote !!
          I hope they looked at Aliyev’s interview and maybe they understood something!
          And since they were engaged in intrigues before, so do!
          Your level is grandmother on the bench!
        3. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 13 June 2013 18: 34 New
          +2
          [quote = esaul] You better tell us how all Armenians were warned not to write in your article today? hi
        4. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 22: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: esaul
          As Armenians prefer not to interfere.


          1.Thank you .what did the Iranian (c) edinas say, otherwise the comrade neighbors say. That there were only Armenian (c) edin ....
          2. about borders --- questions had to be asked to the leadership of the USSR and the KGB ... who had a tough policy in the border area ... it was necessary to weaken at least the access regime .. if you so zealously defended the right to cross the Russian-speaking border in Crimea .. Prednistrovye .. on the introduction of Schengen conditions in Lithuania ..
          3. about srach --- I mentioned below - our arguments are correct .. true .. and when there are no arguments, the words are given - srach ... station ..... train ... etc. and so on
          4..And the Armenians do not have clear excuses, therefore they sit quietly ... after all, there is already no Starovoitova..Nuykina .... Sakharova ..... Yeltsin .. liberals shouting about the right to self-determination ...hi
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 13 June 2013 23: 00 New
            +2
            5 ..... aah. Forgot ..... in Armenia there is no light .. to turn on computers and the Internet .... and there is no gas to turn on generators fellow hi
      2. experienced
        experienced 13 June 2013 17: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        you caricature of god

        a clown with stripes is rude as always, so I will answer the same, albeit not for myself but for a worthy forum member
        Quote: esaul
        So that there would be no accusations against “VO” as an instigator and - blah blah blah ...
        And despite this, the inciteers, anyway, recognized themselves and became furious.

        Well, throwing “gas” into the “fire” is not a kindling, but here the example of sprinkling salt on a bloody wound is more suitable
        Quote: esaul
        The purpose of the article was to substantiate the position and role in this region of Russia itself

        And who authorized on behalf of Russia to speak? And then by the amount of mentioning the name Putin in the opus, it seems to me that the purpose of the writing was different
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 13 June 2013 18: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        From waxed and question. signs - ripples in the eyes.


        read your comment, along and across. from left to right. up and down .................. but alas winked You wrote this comment half-awake or you’ve got a dodger after yesterday. Probably haven’t left yet, I can advise the pickle. Quickly brings to life and helps. Heard. laughing
        1. esaul
          13 June 2013 19: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          A set of words, everything is mixed in a bunch, where is the beginning and where is the end ...........

          Quote: Yarbay
          If you had learned to read and understand carefully, now you wouldn’t write such nonsense!

          Quote: ayyildiz
          You better tell us how all Armenians were warned not to write in your article today?

          Quote: seasoned
          a clown with stripes is always rude,

          Quote: Apollon
          You wrote this comment half asleep, or you have an outcast, after yesterday

          ... Do you respect Mine? I respect you ... Mi with you - respected people ...! "
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 13 June 2013 19: 36 New
            +5
            And for a long time they thought how they would turn away from the question or did I ask an unpleasant question?
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 13 June 2013 19: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: esaul
            ..You respect mine? I respect you ... Mi with you - respected people ...! "


            No comments laughing

            1. Apollo
              Apollo 13 June 2013 20: 14 New
              +6
              Yesaul!
              I’m worried about your psychological state, maybe you can really take a vacation and go on a vacation to the south, or even to the north. They do not argue about tastes. As a political officer, you laid out in earnest, understand, you need it, God forbid, just don’t to me, but there is a certain category that needs you. If something happens to you, what will we tell them. How did they not save you ?! Therefore, in the interests of this category of visitors do a favor, relax, we will look forward to seeing you, gain strength and then go into battle. I promise you that I will be the first who will meet you with merciless criticism, you can have no doubt. laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 13 June 2013 20: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: Apollon
                Yesaul!
                I am worried about your psychological state, maybe you can actually take a vacation and go on vacation to the south, or even to the north

          3. experienced
            experienced 13 June 2013 19: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: esaul
            .You respect mine? I respect you ... Mi with you - respected people ...! "

            It’s ridiculous to watch the clown perform, and then a clown with stripes wound up on the site, who is already squeamish with his antics. Considering the Russian proverb “With whom you will lead, that’s why you will be typed” I think that close cooperation with 3-volt and 100-watt has paid off repeat
            Considering that the "lampasnoid" moderator on the site (official), I believe that, contrary to the goals and tasks that are assigned to him, he deliberately provokes people into squabbles and incites ethnic hatred. According to the latest comments, Azerbaijani harassment is generally traced. At present, Russia and Azerbaijan have normal partnerships (not ideal, but we do not quarrel and trade), so why does Putin’s “neophyte” provoke enmity?
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 13 June 2013 11: 13 New
    +6
    Russia has the right to declare and determine the zone of its interests without regard to the self-appointed world “looker” represented by the States. Therefore, it has the right to make efforts to ensure a stable environment

    and you don’t have to be shy about it ..... there is a zone of national interests and that’s all !! ..... and there’s nothing to go into .....
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 June 2013 11: 20 New
    +7
    The position of Russia is firm and unshakable in this matter, for how many years. Only a political settlement. The guarantee that this will continue to be agreements with Armenia on joint defense and a military base. It is indicative that Georgia’s “experience” has not taught anyone anything. Compact, a well-armed army could not solve its tasks, and its political results are even better --- Russia simply recognized the independent status of the two republics. So the answer to the question: why did Russia arm Azerbaijan in a military alliance with Armenia is not as clear as it might seem at first sight.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 13 June 2013 11: 37 New
    +3
    How not to dress up, do not arm yourself, but there is still God in the world!
  • Opera
    Opera 13 June 2013 11: 43 New
    +4
    The situation in the region cannot be viewed solely through the prism of the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Those who try to hide the main part for the most part are cunning!
    After the well-known events of 2008 (the five-day war), the US position significantly weakened as a country that was unable to defend its allies. And the Allies not only hoped for it, but also didn’t make any decisions without the USA! As a result of the loss of face, there are active attempts to instill already insulted Turkey onto the “main enemy” in the region! Of course, this enemy is Russia! Azerbaijan, as you know, has a special relationship with Turkey, and Turkey, as you know, is the oldest member of NATO with all the ensuing consequences! It is not necessary to dissemble that Azerbaijan does not cooperate with NATO - it cooperates very closely. At least under the individual partnership program! What is going on behind the scenes ... Certainly a lot of things! Add to this the war in Syria and the situation around Iran. Do you still have questions who is on whose side ?! The situation with the Gabala radar showed this clearly and openly - Russia was shown at the door! Placing in Turkey an air defense system and an early warning radar ... What's next ?! And then further strengthening of the Russian base in Armenia and the fleet in the Caspian. There are rockets in Armenia - very right! If they are not there, they will be soon! Armenia is Russia's CSTO ally! Azerbaijan was a member of the CSTO - can you tell me?
    Here they write about the collapse of the USSR very correctly ... To the Customs Union, and then to the Eurasian Union, surrounded by fraternal republics, Azerbaijan does not want to join ?!
    Armenia expresses such a desire!
  • T-130
    T-130 13 June 2013 11: 50 New
    +4
    I think Azerbaijan can save Karabakh only on condition that the conflict is fully repaid, autonomy and other extended rights are granted, there is no other way out because the victorious party dictates the conditions!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 11: 59 New
    +4
    The most important thing is that Aliyev does not get the hang of Turkish-American candy and does not start a war with Armenia. The war will be long and bloody, because the Armenians have shown excellent warriors, and the fact that the Turks and the United States will not fit into the mess is clear. And as soon as the first Russian soldier dies, you can put an end to Azerbaijan. It will be like in Georgia spoiled relations between peoples forever. Well, the Jews themselves muddy the water there. In Georgia, they mutilated, and now they are telling tales in Azerbaijan. Let's solve everything in peace and let it be another 10-20 years but only peace. When the last eyewitness and participant in the conflict leave, future generations of Azerbaijanis and Armenians will find a way out. The main thing is not to rock the boat, it may turn over. and events will become unpredictable and avalanche-like.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 June 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    2 standards are simply amazing. When Heydar Aliyev invited Russian companies to energy projects, the EB sent him, then the supply of armaments to Armenia. Negativity stopped only with the advent of Putin, but it did not change to positive, it just stopped, but Russia continues to act in the negative and BEFORE AZERBAIJAN IS GUILTY. Azerbaijan wants to free its territories is impossible, although Russia did not tear and throw away for the primordial Russian lands in Chechnya.
    80 percent explain to the Russians, something is useless, the remaining 20 are half on the drum, while the other supports.
    Understandable with this position of Russia, especially in the light of the Georgian war, Baku will not liberate land by force, BUT the closer Russia will approach the moment when Aliyev is overthrown and a radical Islamic state is at hand. This freezing of the conflict does not lead to anything good. contain subsidized republics in advance and with a song, although I don’t understand why I, as a taxpayer, should ensure this and refuse economic dividends in cooperation with Baku, but should pay non-repayable loans to Tajiks, Kyrgyz and Armenians.
    You just have to remember one thing, write one thing here, and sending your son to fight on the side of the Armenians for their interests is another matter, and how the Georgians will not be able to send Chechen and other Muslim battalions forward, but on the contrary, you will have to concentrate the troops even more on the north Caucasus, the influence of Georgia there zero, and Azerbaijan is a completely different story.
    Are Russian mothers ready to sacrifice children for the sake of the Armenians? If yes ahead and with the song.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 27 New
      +1
      Double standarts? Why not. Russia is obliged to act in their interests
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 12: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Double standarts? Why not. Russia must act in its own interests

        the question is not that!
        It’s just that I’m sure that * interests * were not correctly selected, Russia made a choice not in its interests mainly from Yeltsin’s personal prejudices and somewhere religious !!
        Choosing the weak and the poor, pushing the strong and the rich!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 47 New
          +2
          You can whine for a long time that the wrong cards came, but you have to play with exactly those that are.

          Yes, for Russia, Azerbaijan as an ally is several orders of magnitude preferable to Armenia, which will betray as soon as Russia removes the threat from your state. But the past cannot be returned.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 13: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: Yarbay
          Choosing the weak and the poor, pushing the strong and the rich!

          Alibek, look in history .... Russia has always patronized the weak and the poor and has never looked for a gain in wealth.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 June 2013 13: 23 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alibek, look in history .... Russia has always patronized the weak and the poor and has never looked for a gain in wealth.

            Sanya, I will not answer you, only out of respect for our friendship))))))
            weak and aggressive can not afford))))))
            and unfair in all respects and laws)))
            I’m very well versed in history!
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 13 June 2013 13: 52 New
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay
              weak and aggressive can not afford))))))
              and unfair in all respects and laws)))

              Hello Alibek! Here, I absolutely agree with you, as well as with everything that you have stated above. I do not have special feelings for all participants in this conflict. It’s just that many in Russia are being led by the Christianity of Armenia, they are afraid of Muslim Azerbaijan. That's all. A stereotype, just. Without trying to comprehend the facts.
              Armenia and Azerbaijan had the "mind" to quarrel. Now they must have the wisdom to come to terms. Neither Russia, nor Turkey or the United States, namely, they themselves. It's my opinion. Sincerely.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 13 June 2013 14: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: IRBIS
                Hello Alibek! Here, I absolutely agree with you, as well as with everything that you have stated above. I do not have special feelings for all participants in this conflict. It’s just that many in Russia are being led by the Christianity of Armenia, they are afraid of Muslim Azerbaijan. That's all. A stereotype, just. Without trying to comprehend the facts.

                Hello, Alexander!
                I have known you for a long time and always read with interest!
                I know about your views and respect them!
                You see, I spoke before and I want to emphasize again, I’m not looking here for allies or people who think exclusively like me!
                I started writing on this forum two years ago when I saw that the vast majority of users know almost nothing about this conflict, about the history of relationships! I’m interested in the opinions of people! I understand that none of us decides anything!
                And I try to give everyone the maximum material that I own!
                It is important for me that people just think, those who didn’t know something, began to search for something, to be interested in something without Nazi Nazi!
                with respect
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 13 June 2013 15: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  It is important for me that people simply think ... without pawn Nazism!

                  That's right! Without emotion, soberly and sensibly. Anyone who offers Russia to "intervene" underestimates the situation. The participants in the conflict are equal partners of our country and the support of someone, either explicit or hidden, this means taking the path of betraying ourselves.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 June 2013 15: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: IRBIS
                    Anyone who suggests Russia "intervene" underestimates the situation

                    My opinion is that at the moment Russia is making forced steps!
                    Based on the current state of affairs, it is not advantageous for Russia to resolve this problem!
                    I do not appreciate it, it is a reality!
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: IRBIS
                    Anyone who offers Russia to "intervene" underestimates the situation.

                    But those who insist on non-intervention do not understand that after that all the foreign policy work of Russia in the post-Soviet space can be safely thrown into the trash. All these trade unions, CSTO, union states. Nobody trusts one who does not fulfill his allied obligations.

                    Quote: IRBIS
                    Parties to the conflict are equal partners of our country

                    Who told you that? Armenia is our ally, though. Azerbaijan is not. They are Turkish.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: Yarbay
              I’m very well versed in history!

              You are talking about Armenia, and I am talking about Russia hi
              smersh70 au minuser, so what do you disagree with? Give an argument when Russia acted by selfishness and profit.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 13 June 2013 14: 27 New
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You are talking about Armenia, and I am talking about Russia

                I was talking about Russia precisely, that is, when I quoted, this is exactly what I had in mind!
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Give an argument when Russia acted by selfishness and profit.

                yes full !!
                about the pacts with the Nazis, the division of other countries with them a little?
                it is so offhand!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 37 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  about the pacts with the Nazis, the division of other countries with them a little?

                  Firstly, then the USSR returned its lands lost as a result of the revolution and not a piece more.
                  Secondly, at that time it was also your country. So offhand, so that the Alibek pact does not stop, there was no self-interest and other things.
                  So it’s not enough.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 June 2013 14: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Firstly, then the USSR returned its lands lost as a result of the revolution and not a piece more.

                    yes no entered into a conspiracy of the strong to finish off the weak and do not run away from this!
                    And to justify this by the fact that it once was yours does not channel, since officially they agreed with the loss of that at one time!
                    There were a lot of things and suppression of uprisings in other countries, Finland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia,
                    in Poland with Suvorov!
                    Yes, hundreds of examples are Sanya!
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 13 June 2013 15: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    So it’s not enough.



                    capture of Siberia. and Central Asia. Caucasus.
                    war with Finland. in 39-40gg.
                    struggle with energy resources 90-00 years ... continue)))
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 13 June 2013 15: 14 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                smersh70 au minuser, so what do you disagree with? Give an argument when Russia acted by selfishness and profit.



                And you won’t minus laughing YOU are examples of what kind of Russia .... Tsarist ... Soviet ... ... Current .... hi
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 13 June 2013 14: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            . Russia has always patronized the weak and the poor and has never looked for a gain in wealth.


            Russia's intervention in the conflict may create other problems, you know!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 40 New
              +4
              Quote: ayyildiz

              Russia's intervention in the conflict may create other problems, you know!

              Yes, it is, but not interference will ruin the CSTO and drop Russia's image in the eyes of others. You can put an end to vehicles, so intervention is not inevitable.
              After the first shot, all resolutions adopted by the UN will fly to the trash. The right of the strong will remain.
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 13 June 2013 14: 48 New
                +4
                But then the Vedas, Russia will also be an invader in Karabakh, in the eyes of the world!

                hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 16 New
                  +3
                  Russia "in the eyes of the world" is always wrong. Once more, once less, what's the difference?
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 15: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  But then the Vedas, Russia will also be an invader in Karabakh, in the eyes of the world!

                  South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the sense of what the United States and the rest of the world think?
                  1. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 13 June 2013 16: 15 New
                    +2
                    The expert said that if the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan starts, it will be fought along the entire border of both states: “Russia is responsible for the territorial integrity of Armenia. If the war spreads beyond the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia must take part in it. But in this case, Turkey will join the hostilities on the side of Azerbaijan. Russia is well aware of the Turkish factor and is aware that Russia has no alternative but to mediation to resolve this conflict. For this reason, Russia will continue to fulfill its mediation mission in resolving the conflict. ”

                    V. Evseev noted that in the war to be fought in Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia will not be able to take part on the side of Armenia: “Since in the event of a probable war in Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia has no obligations in connection with the defense of Armenia. Military cooperation between Russia and Armenia is carried out both between the two countries and within the framework of the CSTO. This military cooperation at the highest level does not mean that Russia will support Armenia in the event of a probable war in Nagorno-Karabakh. ”

                    According to V. Evseev, stability in the South Caucasus is in the interests of Russia. Since the outbreak of war in this region could lead to a violation of stability in the North Caucasus, which is a vulnerable region of Russia: “Russia knows very well that a new war in the South Caucasus will become a big spark for the North Caucasus. And this absolutely does not suit Russia

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the sense of what the United States and the rest of the world think?


                    They are located on the border with Russia and there is no Karabakh!
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 June 2013 16: 25 New
                      -1
                      Quote: ayyildiz
                      But in this case, Turkey will join the hostilities on the side of Azerbaijan.

                      And this will be the beginning of the end of Turkey as a state. They will rake a couple of tactical nuclear strikes and completely bring down their economy, built on tourism and its service sector. And NATO will not help, they are not obliged to fit in this case.
                      Turkey is well aware of all this, and therefore will not get into this mess.

                      This your "expert Evseev" is not such an expert. Rather, Ykspert.
                      1. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 13 June 2013 16: 44 New
                        +3
                        Nobody will not use nuclear weapons; do not be naive, But NATO will intervene if hostilities move to Turkish territory!

                        Quote: Spade
                        completely collapse their economy,

                        The economic consequences for Russia will not be good either! hi
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 June 2013 16: 57 New
                        -4
                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        Ya no one will use do not be naive

                        Why? Do you think that Russia will get into the war to lose? You know us poorly.

                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        And NATO will intervene if hostilities move to Turkish territory!

                        No. The war with Russia was launched by Turkey, which means that NATO has nothing to do with any situation. The North Atlantic Treaty is very well written. Well, maybe the Estonians and the Latvians will help, they will send one expeditionary company.

                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        The economic consequences for Russia will not be good either!

                        All these “consequences” will be repelled by a sharp increase in hydrocarbon prices. Russia in case of war will even work.
                      3. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 13 June 2013 17: 07 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Spade
                        All these “consequences” will be repelled by a sharp increase in hydrocarbon prices. Russia in case of war will even work.


                        And how will he supply them to world markets, and how many states will buy Russian oil after using nuclear weapons?
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 June 2013 17: 13 New
                        -2
                        All except Turkey. Her oil is not really needed.

                        You understand, if they try to abandon Russian hydrocarbons, then their prices will not just soar, they will become so huge that the world economy simply can not stand it. So nothing personal, just business.
                      5. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 13 June 2013 17: 23 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Spade
                        All except Turkey. Her oil is not really needed.

                        That's exactly the price of oil can drop to a minimum!

                        You think only Turkey will lose but it’s not so, I assure you!
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 13 June 2013 17: 39 New
                        0
                        To a minimum? Do you seriously consider Turkey as the main consumer of hydrocarbons in the world?
                3. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 13 June 2013 17: 13 New
                  +2
                  Turkey at the highest level makes it clear that it will intervene in the war of Azerbaijan with Armenia on the side of the Azerbaijanis. We cannot remain indifferent to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and the tragedy of Azerbaijanis, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan said at the weekly meeting of the Justice and Development Party, TRT Haber reported on Tuesday. "If we had been indifferent to the fate of Azerbaijanis and the Nagorno-Karabakh problem, we would not have had such warm relations with Baku today," Erdogan said
                4. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 17: 17 New
                  +1
                  He is a master at delivering promises. How is it with his "Assad must leave"? Happened?
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 June 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Double standarts? Why not. Russia is obliged to act in their interests

    Because in the first place, many here I start saying that Russia is the standard of justice, Russia does not take revenge and all that.
    And secondly, if it was in the interests! But this is not in the interests; Azerbaijan is not a completely lost option, while the Aliyev’s clan is in power, everything can be done in the interests, even if Russia goes to meet the role or Western puppets or most likely radical Islamites fiercely hating the infidels from the north, who oppress the brothers from the North Caucasus and also poke themselves in the South.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      Few there and what begins. Double standards are a necessary policy tool in the interests of their own state.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 June 2013 14: 06 New
    +1
    shovels double standards why not.
    THEN WHY DO YOU RISE WHEN WHEN THE WEST PAYS TO YOU WITH THE SAME COIN? AND THIS WILL YOU GET RESPECT?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2013 14: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: xetai9977
      THEN WHY DO YOU RISE WHEN WHEN THE WEST PAYS TO YOU WITH THE SAME COIN?

      Because we have double standards. We study well.

      Quote: xetai9977
      AND THIS WILL YOU GET RESPECT?

      Do you think that Russia needs someone's approval?
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 June 2013 14: 32 New
        +2
        Not in approval but in respect. You do not know how to read or distort
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: xetai9977
          Not in approval but in respect.

          And when and who respected Russia? Our brothers Slavs after we release them constantly blame us for all sins. Either you respect the person or not, everything else for the money and momentary benefits will not lead to lasting friendship.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 00 New
          +2
          Respect is a force. Military, economic, resource. And not the approval or disapproval of other countries. In addition to reading, you must understand what is written.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 June 2013 15: 13 New
            +3
            shovels respect is a force ... and you already have power, but something is not visible respect for you even from the countries closest to you. not blaming the mirror ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 47 New
              0
              Mirrors are sometimes also very crooked. As in this case.
              And the "countries closest to us" had long ago realized that Russia always owed something to them, and in no case should it have its own interests
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 13 June 2013 20: 17 New
                +4
                you know, I’m trying to understand the logic of your “thoughts”, but sometimes I don’t catch the connection. So you scare you with nuclear weapons, you recognize Karabakh as Russian territory, then you are proud of the double standards of your country ... Didn’t you take the products of Afghan peasants on your chest or use them for an hour?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 20: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  That scare nuclear weapons

                  Are there Turks here?

                  Quote: xetai9977
                  you recognize Karabakh as Russian territory

                  It is when? Something you started to sin by writing.

                  Quote: xetai9977
                  then be proud of the double standards of your country.

                  I recognize them as a necessary evil

                  Quote: xetai9977
                  Didn’t they take the products of Afghan peasants on their chests for an hour?

                  The arguments are over. For this reason, you have to start a discussion of the opponent’s personality. As it is not original ...
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 June 2013 20: 51 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Spade
                    Are there Turks here?

                    I'm turkish!
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 June 2013 21: 41 New
                    0
                    So start to get scared. The use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia in the event Turkey is drawn into the conflict is still possible.
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 13 June 2013 21: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    So start to get scared.

                    To be afraid of what ???)))
                    I assure you I have nothing more to fear)))
                  4. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 June 2013 22: 10 New
                    0
                    Everyone has something to be afraid of.
                2. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 13 June 2013 22: 02 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Spade
                  So start to get scared. The use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia in the event Turkey is drawn into the conflict is still possible.

                  Turkey also eats tactical nuclear weapons hi
                3. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 22: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Turkey also eats tactical nuclear weapons

                  Moreover, Turkey has nothing to do with it.
                4. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 13 June 2013 22: 12 New
                  +2
                  They are Amer’s but belong to Turkey and we have the right to use them! hi
                5. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 22: 21 New
                  0
                  But I do not need fairy tales. Turkey has the honorable right to host American military facilities. On which the Americans keep what they want. Turkey can no longer count on anything.
                6. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 13 June 2013 23: 00 New
                  +2
                  Turkey is located near 70 B-61 nuclear bombs deployed at the Turkish-American Incirlik airbase in the southern province of Adana. According to the HaberTurk agency, despite the actual presence of these ammunition, the possibilities for their use are limited.
                  The bombs, at least most of them, are the property of the US Army
                7. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2013 23: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  The bombs, at least most of them, are the property of the US Army

                  Not big, but everything, from the first to the last.

                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  the actual availability of these ammunition, the possibilities for their use are limited.

                  Even as limited. The principal decision on the possibility of their application is made by the US President. Prior to this, bombs are radioactive blanks.
  • rus9875
    rus9875 13 June 2013 14: 37 New
    -1
    The key word is in its “own interests” So far, Russia is acting not in its own interests in the Armenian interests - what are you talking about here? Why the hell does Russia have a base in Armenia? What strategic value can a base have in a country with no common border and which on all sides surrounded by its unfriendly neighbors? Why are Russian border guards guarding the border between Armenia and Turkey? Do we have our borders closed? Or is Turkey in conflict with Russia? Armenians themselves will be guarding this border with very high quality? Believe me, Armenians in the USA and France live more than in Armenia - think which side Armenia will take in the event of a conflict between Russia and NATO?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 02 New
      +1
      Russia acts in the interests of its brainchild, the Collective Security Treaty Organization. Which means in their own.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 13: 46 New
    +2
    Russia tore and threw not for the primordial Russian lands in Chechnya.
    This is when they were not native Russian lands ???? In this way you draw the history of the ancient world. The Caucasus is watered with Russian blood and freed from the Turks and Iranians. There would be no king of the emperor wherever the peoples of the Caucasus were - in the furnace. SO DON'T NEED TO OVERLOAD.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 June 2013 14: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: ed65b
      Russia tore and threw not for the primordial Russian lands in Chechnya.
      This is when they were not native Russian lands ???? In this way you draw the history of the ancient world. The Caucasus is watered with Russian blood and freed from the Turks and Iranians. There would be no king of the emperor wherever the peoples of the Caucasus were - in the furnace. SO DON'T NEED TO OVERLOAD.

      Mm Chechnya is a native Russian land. Thanks for the info I will know wink
      Ah, the Russian tsar saved the Caucasus from destruction. Yeah. No, I studied and grew up in Russia according to the Russian curriculum, and my teacher seriously proved that the Caspian campaign of Peter 1 was because he wanted to save the Azerbaijani khanates from the destruction of Turkey))) )
      And so something Circassians and Chechens fled from the Russian tsars to the Turkish firebox and the number of Circassians and Abkhaz is more than their relatives in their homelands in the North Caucasus.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        And so something Circassians and Chechens fled from the Russian tsars

        And never thought, why did the Russian Tsar decide to rush to Chechnya? I guess we needed oil belay or the poor Chechens made constant sorties, that’s where they got settled.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 13 June 2013 14: 56 New
          +1
          And why is Alexander asking me a question ?? I didn’t write at all how the king appeared there, this comrade wrote that it turns out the king saved the Caucasians from the Turkish-Persian firebox .. Your version of the raids turned out to be raids of help from the TOPKA !!!
        2. rus9875
          rus9875 13 June 2013 15: 00 New
          +3
          The Russian tsar climbed into the North Caucasus under the pretext of protecting the Georgian Christian brothers from evil Turks and Highlanders — learn the story Does it look like nothing?
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 13 June 2013 15: 16 New
            +5
            Quote: rus9875
            Russian Tsar
            This king did the right thing. Strategically true. And the salvation of the Georgians is a rather technical and not decisive question. To gain a foothold in the Caucasus proved to be the right thing to counteract expansion from the south. To build defensive lines in the Kuban steppes and in the lower Volga would not be so effective. The narrow gate for aliens from the south was closed by a network of fortresses and roads and averted the threat.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 20 New
            +1
            Learn the story yourself. The corridor to Georgia passed through the lands of loyally Orthodox Orthodox Ossetians. At first, the corridor was provided by cordon lines. Who could not protect him. And so I had to put things in order directly in the territories. Doesn’t resemble anything?
    2. rus9875
      rus9875 13 June 2013 15: 09 New
      +2
      About 200 years ago, these lands did not touch Russia sideways. From which Iranians Russia liberated the Caucasus? You are right, do not distort
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 June 2013 12: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    I do not respect the state of Azerbaijan

    Let me ask, and who do you respect? then Ukraine is not that, then Azerbaijan is bad, I don’t even speak about Georgians and Central Asians. Europe is “geytorpa”, the USA is “bedding and mattress”, China is “narrow ...” And with such “views” on the world you hope whose respect is it? I’m not talking about everyone. Users like EXTENDED AND RUS9875 are quite adequate and sensible people, which can not be said about some for whom Armenia is above Russia, although they call themselves Russian.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2013 12: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: xetai9977
      Let me ask, and who do you respect?

      Stupid question. Like any great-power chauvinist, of course, Russia.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 13 June 2013 14: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        great power chauvinist



        rather a patriot, here I agree, and your phrase has a completely different and negative meaning for me. With your promise, more than sure, we will never build the Eurasian space. and we will not create the Union in an updated form.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 14: 29 New
          -2
          You do not understand. Russia cannot have patriots. Only great-power chauvinists. And even more often, "poztreota".
          But I do not care, as they call me, my essence remains the same.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 June 2013 14: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Russia cannot have patriots

            What are you smoking?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 21 New
              +1
              Nothing. I’ve been holding on for a month.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 June 2013 14: 14 New
        -1
        shovel. the answer is even dumber. Adequate will not mix the interests of Russia and Armenia. they always simply used you and continue now. Only the blind or obsessed with Armenianophilism do not see it. by the way you did not answer the question: who do you respect, because the site’s vocabulary it can be seen that almost 90% of the countries of the world go to “fools,” “idiots” and “traitors”.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 14: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          shovel. the answer is even dumber

          Or maybe you just did not understand, and the point is not in the answer, but in you?

          Quote: xetai9977
          By the way, you did not answer the question: who do you respect

          Replied. Russia.

          Quote: xetai9977
          Only the blind or obsessed with Armenianophilism do not see it

          It seems you do not read my posts at all.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 June 2013 20: 29 New
            +4
            This is our fate. every time on the site any kind of limited mental ability is caught.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2013 20: 49 New
              0
              Oh how! In plural. That is, you are still a kind of company that performs a certain task, and those who are not ready to accept your only correct opinion bother you, I understand correctly?

              After such a statement, I involuntarily had to think: Do you personally talk about limited mental abilities? So stupid to substitute ...
      3. Gooch
        Gooch 13 June 2013 14: 33 New
        -4
        Quote: Spade
        Stupid question. Like any great-power chauvinist, of course, Russia.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 06 New
          0
          To confuse the great-power chauvinists with the Uri-patriots is a huge mistake
    2. experienced
      experienced 13 June 2013 12: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: xetai9977
      Let me ask, and who do you respect?

      Esaul winked
      In general, it’s strange, but such personalities projecting themselves as supporters of a strong Russia only harm its image. Esaul in his opus calls Armenia either a Republic or a country. If only I had decided on the status and again not equal partners, but Russia is a generous comrade.
      in the territory of Armenia - republics, which is our partner and ally in the CSTO (this is the first) and country, which, recognizing its vulnerability from an unfriendly close circle, sees in Russian power not only a strong guarantor in the sphere of interests of Armenia, but also a generous comrade who does not look at the small the republiclike a vassal

      But in general, as a Russian taxpayer, I wonder how much we put weapons on the CSTO "for free"? Remind me how some "wise men" are either members of the CSTO, or are they leaving? Lopatov, who stands for the interests of Russia and does not like Armenia and Azerbaijan for some reason forgets that Azerbaijan pays for Russian weapons at world prices, and Armenia receives it for free, and somehow I would not want Russian soldiers to die for Armenian interests, otherwise Lopatov I’ve already planned a war. hi
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        In general, it’s strange, but such personalities projecting themselves as supporters of a strong Russia only harm its image.

        Oh how. Yes, it turns out you are a liberal fundamentalist. How many times a day do you repent for the "crimes of imperial Russia"?
        You must understand that in order not to harm "your image" Russia needs to completely disarm, transfer its natural resources to Western companies and fall into two dozen small states. For less your like-minded people from abroad do not agree
        1. experienced
          experienced 13 June 2013 14: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Oh how. Yes, it turns out you are a liberal fundamentalist.

          When there are not enough arguments, they make “stamps”. No, I'm not what you call me hi
          Quote: Spade
          You must understand that in order not to harm "your image" Russia needs to completely disarm, transfer its natural resources to Western companies and fall into two dozen small states.

          If Russia could recover the USSR loans issued earlier to the debtors and did not give out other "non-repayable" loans and write them off again and again, then its power would only increase, however, and as an international image (they make fun of suckers).
          Quote: Spade
          For less your like-minded people from abroad do not agree

          I considered you a smart opponent before. winked
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 14: 12 New
            0
            Quote: seasoned
            I considered you a smart opponent before.

            What a horror ... And how now I can live with it ...

            Quote: seasoned
            When there are not enough arguments, they make “stamps”. No, I'm not what you call me

            Anyone who begins to whine about the "image of Russia" is a liberal fundamentalist. This is an axiom. A normal Russian citizen does not need the approval of his country from abroad.

            Quote: seasoned
            If Russia could recover the USSR loans issued earlier to the debtors and did not give out other "non-repayable" loans and write them off again and again, then its power would only increase, however, and as an international image (they make fun of suckers).

            Laugh at the "suckers Americans" - they do this all the time. And in an order of magnitude larger volume. For example, the Egyptian army was almost completely re-equipped with such irrevocable loans.
            1. experienced
              experienced 13 June 2013 14: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              What a horror ... And how now I can live with it ...

              Well, yes, you’re self-sufficient and why do you need to take into account someone else’s opinion with your genius lol In the evening, Yesaul will say that you are right on this thread. yes
              Quote: Spade
              Anyone who begins to whine about the "image of Russia" is a liberal fundamentalist. This is an axiom. A normal Russian citizen does not need the approval of his country from abroad.

              Any country (except S. Korea, probably) takes care of its international image, thanks to which it pursues its policy. The stronger the country, the more allies it has and the stronger its image, the easier it is for it to pursue a policy. This is an axiom hi
              Quote: Spade
              Laugh at the "suckers Americans" - they do this all the time. And in an order of magnitude larger volume. For example, the Egyptian army was almost completely re-equipped with such irrevocable loans.

              Well, how much oil and gas did they pump from BV? And please note that very often the Americans, unlike us, rearm the allies with decommissioned equipment. Now Central Asia will probably be re-equipped with equipment from Afghanistan (which is not a pity). Sometimes it’s cheaper to leave it in place than to take it out and do not forget about the subsequent maintenance and paid deliveries of parts.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 14: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: seasoned
                Well, yes, you’re self-sufficient and why do you need to take into account someone else’s opinion with your genius

                Finally you begin to understand me. Something for a long time it reached you.

                Quote: seasoned
                The stronger the country, the more allies it has and the stronger its image

                And you began to understand it. Image is nothing. Strength is everything. Growing right before your eyes.

                Quote: seasoned
                Well, how much oil and gas did they pump from BV?

                Surround, the "American suckers" rearm Egypt to protect their main ally in this region - Israel. Now the "descendants of the pharaohs" are completely dependent on the United States in the military-technical sphere.
                And neither of these two countries has hydrocarbons.
                1. experienced
                  experienced 13 June 2013 14: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Spade
                  And neither of these two countries has hydrocarbons.

                  Interestingly, Egypt exports foreign oil? wassat
                  Found for you
                  The oil and gas industry is one of the leading industries.

                  Its share in the production of GDP in fiscal 1996/97 at current prices amounted to 6,6%. It employs 57 thousand people. As of Jan In 1998, the explored oil reserves in the ARE were estimated at 3,8 billion barrels, and gas and gas condensate - 27,6 trillion cubic meters. ft. The total reserves of these products in terms of oil amounted to 1090 million tons.
                  In 1997 f. 41 million tons extracted in the country oil, which is 3% lower than the previous year. During the same period, natural gas production amounted to 11,3 million tons, and gas condensate - 1,7 thousand tons.

                  In 1997, 22 companies were engaged in oil production.
                  The main areas of oil production are the Gulf of Suez, the Western Desert, the Sinai, the Eastern Desert, and the shelves of the Mediterranean Sea. The natural gas production in 1997 for the main fields was (in thousand tons): Maadi - 2091, Badr al-Din - 2533, Abu Kir - 1390, Ras Shukeyr - 1314, Al-Kara - 210, Abu Sannan - 235, Abu Garadik - 384, Port Fuad - 533.
                  All 8 operating refineries are owned by state-owned companies: Alexandria Petroleum, Ameria Petroleum Refining, Assyout Petroleum Refining, Cairo Petroleum Refining (refineries in Cairo and Tant), Suez Petroleum Procesing, El Nasr Petroleum. Their capacity is estimated at 30 million tons. in year

                  In that region, only Israel had nothing, Moses drove them special for 40 years, there was only oil around, but then he found laughing Now, it seems, Israel has discovered gas on the shelf.
                  You constantly print comments without bothering even to check their veracity.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 38 New
                    0
                    Oil: production of 680500 barrels / day, consumption of 683000 barrels / day

                    Egypt really exports foreign oil
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  • Opera
    Opera 13 June 2013 12: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Yeraz
    and how with the Georgians it will not work forward to send Chechen and other Muslim battalions

    In the morning I’m in a good mood! Thank you - even more fun! So these two companies of the Chechen battalion Vostok scattered the whole Georgian army?!?!?! So, we ran to Tbilisi !!!
    These guys are good fellows in general, they showed themselves great. By the way, my good acquaintance (colleague), a lieutenant colonel of the Russian army, is a Chechen by nationality, married to an Armenian. Sometimes he goes to visit his wife’s relatives. I beg the interested parties not to consider this as not a friendly step on the part of Russia in the region!))))
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 12: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Oper
      These guys are good fellows in general, they showed themselves great. By the way, my good acquaintance (colleague), a lieutenant colonel of the Russian army, is a Chechen by nationality, married to an Armenian. Sometimes he goes to visit his wife’s relatives. I beg the interested parties not to consider this as not a friendly step on the part of Russia in the region!)

      we will not consider))
      http://www.bigcaucasus.com/events/analysis/06-05-2013/83193-chechnya_armenia-0/
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 June 2013 13: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      Quote: Yeraz
      and how with the Georgians it will not work forward to send Chechen and other Muslim battalions

      In the morning I’m in a good mood! Thank you - even more fun! So these two companies of the Chechen battalion Vostok scattered the whole Georgian army?!?!?! So, we ran to Tbilisi !!!
      These guys are good fellows in general, they showed themselves great. By the way, my good acquaintance (colleague), a lieutenant colonel of the Russian army, is a Chechen by nationality, married to an Armenian. Sometimes he goes to visit his wife’s relatives. I beg the interested parties not to consider this as not a friendly step on the part of Russia in the region!))))

      Chechens are Russians, you can surrender to a Russian, put pressure on the Orthodox fraternity, but what God does the Czechs knows, and given how they behave with the Russians in Russia themselves, they spat on the laws of war. And if the most elite troops and 58 an army of 80, as much as Azerbaijan needs. And in the Georgian conflicts, the entire North Caucasus was on the side of Russia, volunteers were collected, everything will be exactly the opposite, plus how many fighters from Muslim countries will reach.
      It is clear that Russia still wins, everything stupidly rests on deadlines and sacrifices. Why does Russia need all this instead of finally starting to draw closer to Baku, and not push it more and more away from itself?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 June 2013 13: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        .And if the most elite detachments and the 58th army of 80 thousand were thrown at small Georgia

        58A was not there, only some of its units. 1-2 reinforced motorized rifle battalions from each regiment - BMGshnikov.
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 13 June 2013 13: 50 New
        0
        Something you missed or I didn’t see in the soldiers the ragged women of elite warriors. (The ragged women in outfitting and equipping) They also took military training in the spirit.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 13: 36 New
      -4
      Since last year, a video entitled “Kadyrov about the Armenians” has been circulating on the network, where the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov indignantly talks about how he saved the Chechen singer Khedi Khamzatova from marriage with an Armenian. So, according to the Chechen leader, Khamzatova was promised to participate in the Eurovision song contest and brought to Yerevan, where she was to be married. Kadyrov says that he spent a lot of money on a “talented singer.” I arranged her recitals ... When they say “recital”, it seems to everyone that this is easy. To organize one good concert, you need 10 million. And what happened to Khedi Khamzatova? People gossip about her ... I’ll say, and show it to everyone in the republic. Khedi Khamzatova, when an Armenian promised to take her to Eurovision, went with him to Armenia to marry him. We went after her, believing that if a Chechen girl, an honored artist, marries an Armenian, we are a shame. They sent a plane, entrusting this business to Adam. Ten times they sent for her ... They took her father and mother, drove away, I brought her home, having agreed with their president, ”Kadyrov says.


      http://rospres.com/video_LB/06052013heda/index_videolb/thumbnails/06052013heda.j
      pg
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to 1news.az
  • Corsair
    Corsair 13 June 2013 13: 17 New
    +1
    Any articles (I emphasize LYUBYE) that in any way touch upon the Karabakh issue provoke such an extremely radical reaction of the parties to the conflict (bilateral), which you involuntarily understand: Russia cannot escape from resolving the problem, and that the participating countries will have to submit to decisions Moscow aimed at this. Otherwise, everyone, without exception, will have to get strong crack ...
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  • MG42
    MG42 13 June 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    No matter how hard the parties, observing diplomatic etiquette, solve the stalemate, sharpen It was not possible to find contact, and Russia liberated the "occupied" (according to some Western "experts") territory. Principles of proud Azerbaijan farted stubbornness of Moscow.

    This is a typo in the article, correct ..
  • Opera
    Opera 13 June 2013 13: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Why does Russia need all this instead of finally starting to draw closer to Baku, and not push it more and more away from itself?

    You can discuss this topic indefinitely using all kinds of tricks - swap places in Russia and Azerbaijan in your comment and ask this question again! Better yet, write USA instead of Azerbaijan! Indeed, why is Russia pushing the US away from itself ?! World politics is influenced not only by objective but also subjective factors, such as religious affinity or national self-identification. This is a complex process and the main thing that would not come to shooting. You can adopt as many peace-loving conventions as you like at the UN — your laws in war. Anyone who advocates such a decision should be aware that this is a dirty business and usually the bolt with the screw is on the trickiest nut!
    So let's change your question a little and ask - why does Azerbaijan need all this instead of moving closer to Moscow, and not pushing it more and more away from itself ?! And a couple more questions ...
    Was Azerbaijan in the CSTO?
    If it was, then why did it come out?
    Azerbaijan cooperates with NATO?
    Is depriving the RF of the Gabala radar a friendly move?
    Azerbaijan and Russia have common geopolitical interests in the region?
    And the economic ones?
    Does Azerbaijan want to join the CU, Eurasian, or does it have other goals?
    Questions can go on. Answer these and don't ask stupid ones.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 14: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      Was Azerbaijan in the CSTO?

      !
      Quote: Oper
      Azerbaijan cooperates with NATO?
      Is depriving the RF of the Gabala radar a friendly move?
      Azerbaijan and Russia have common geopolitical interests in the region?

      you at least read all the comments before asking questions that you have already answered!
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 June 2013 14: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Oper
      Quote: Yeraz
      Why does Russia need all this instead of finally starting to draw closer to Baku, and not push it more and more away from itself?

      You can discuss this topic indefinitely using all kinds of tricks - swap places in Russia and Azerbaijan in your comment and ask this question again! Better yet, write USA instead of Azerbaijan! Indeed, why is Russia pushing the US away from itself ?! World politics is influenced not only by objective but also subjective factors, such as religious affinity or national self-identification. This is a complex process and the main thing that would not come to shooting. You can adopt as many peace-loving conventions as you like at the UN — your laws in war. Anyone who advocates such a decision should be aware that this is a dirty business and usually the bolt with the screw is on the trickiest nut!
      So let's change your question a little and ask - why does Azerbaijan need all this instead of moving closer to Moscow, and not pushing it more and more away from itself ?! And a couple more questions ...
      Was Azerbaijan in the CSTO?
      If it was, then why did it come out?
      Azerbaijan cooperates with NATO?
      Is depriving the RF of the Gabala radar a friendly move?
      Azerbaijan and Russia have common geopolitical interests in the region?
      And the economic ones?
      Does Azerbaijan want to join the CU, Eurasian, or does it have other goals?
      Questions can go on. Answer these and don't ask stupid ones.

      Quote: Oper
      Quote: Yeraz
      Why does Russia need all this instead of finally starting to draw closer to Baku, and not push it more and more away from itself?

      You can discuss this topic indefinitely using all kinds of tricks - swap places in Russia and Azerbaijan in your comment and ask this question again! Better yet, write USA instead of Azerbaijan! Indeed, why is Russia pushing the US away from itself ?! World politics is influenced not only by objective but also subjective factors, such as religious affinity or national self-identification. This is a complex process and the main thing that would not come to shooting. You can adopt as many peace-loving conventions as you like at the UN — your laws in war. Anyone who advocates such a decision should be aware that this is a dirty business and usually the bolt with the screw is on the trickiest nut!
      So let's change your question a little and ask - why does Azerbaijan need all this instead of moving closer to Moscow, and not pushing it more and more away from itself ?! And a couple more questions ...
      Was Azerbaijan in the CSTO?
      If it was, then why did it come out?
      Azerbaijan cooperates with NATO?
      Is depriving the RF of the Gabala radar a friendly move?
      Azerbaijan and Russia have common geopolitical interests in the region?
      And the economic ones?
      Does Azerbaijan want to join the CU, Eurasian, or does it have other goals?
      Questions can go on. Answer these and don't ask stupid ones.

      Well, this 2 is a personality of some people that amazes me, Russia helps the Armenians, arming them with it, free deliveries have come up, lending, so it turns out that Baku repels MOSCOW !!!! Bravo !!!
      So for a second, the Armenians also cooperate with NATO on all programs where there is Baku.
      Baku did not throw out, but offered a new price, how to sell weapons at world prices, and how to pay a penny yourself ??
      There are geopolitical interests !!! A stable Caucasus. And there are a lot of economic ones, how many Russia sold different goods to Azerbaijan, the Russian Federation has an interest in Armenia ???
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 13: 55 New
    +4
    In general, that the Azerbaijanis really think that clicking Russia on the nose will not be raked off at the most reluctant ??? Yes, you, dear in our country, are more likely than at home. Will you return to fight for Aliyev ???? Or here you will arrange sabotage.
    Do not be famously while quiet. Said the President of Armenia under our protection - that's all. resolve issues through negotiation. But you don’t need to scare us - scared.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 June 2013 14: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      In general, that the Azerbaijanis really think that clicking Russia on the nose will not be raked off at the most reluctant ??? Yes, you, dear in our country, are more likely than at home. Will you return to fight for Aliyev ???? Or here you will arrange sabotage.
      Do not be famously while quiet. Said the President of Armenia under our protection - that's all. resolve issues through negotiation. But you don’t need to scare us - scared.

      Yes, many here write nonsense without knowing the information and support the Armenians, including you. The population of Azerbaijan is more than 9 million; there are 2 million in Russia, so there are more stupid stereotypes in Azerbaijan than with half of these citizens, including .
      What did you get along with this Aliyev ???? Here I all know my attitude to him, the Karabakh problem is the problem of the whole people and it is not because of Aliyev that we want to return Karabakh, but I’ll go to fight not for Aliyev, but for our historical homeland.
      Russia itself plunged into conflict, and then was surprised at the opposition.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 07 New
        +1
        You cannot understand a simple fact. Russia does not care about the interests of Azerbaijan. As well as the interests of Armenia. She is closer to her own.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 13 June 2013 15: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          You cannot understand a simple fact. Russia does not care about the interests of Azerbaijan. As well as the interests of Armenia. She is closer to her own.

          so the conversation is that it’s not in Russia's interests. What does this alliance with Armenia give it? It would be reasonable if Azerbaijan hated Russia with anti-Russian regime fiercely madly. but when did the EB get the ambassador, when Heydar Aliyev wanted to be with the Russian Federation .a now this power does nothing while the Aliyev family is in power. While this is a family in power, Russia can very integrate Azerbaijan into its geopolitical vector, but with such steps it seems that they are stubbornly seeking the arrival of anti-Russian forces. Georgia has not taught anything We will make Azerbaijan anti-Russian.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 15: 56 New
            +1
            And what is in the interests of Russia? To derail the CSTO and the CU in order to make Azerbaijanis pleasant?
            Which after that will say contemptuously “Uh, and Russia then got around to ... helping their allies to the Armenians” and continue to build their close relations with Turkey?

            No, this is not in our interests. But the war in Georgia taught us that it is necessary to bring everything to an end. Occupation, pro-Russian authorities. And no other way.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 21: 06 New
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              To derail the CSTO and the CU in order to make Azerbaijanis pleasant?

              CSTO and the CU with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Armenia are very impressive)))))
              For God's sake, in no case, do not deny yourself this))
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 21: 43 New
                -1
                Not impressive. But we must start the restoration of the Empire with something.
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 13 June 2013 15: 58 New
            -1
            But I don’t give a damn about Georgia from a high bell tower. From the fact that they do not love me, neither cold nor hot.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 14: 50 New
      +1
      [quote = ed65b] Said


      said the Minister of Defense of Russia-ed65b ...))))))
  • smersh70
    smersh70 13 June 2013 15: 25 New
    -1
    As Vesti.Az already reported, the Ministry of National Security (MNS) of Azerbaijan over the past few days has detained 12 people involved in the smuggling of drugs from Iran. Almost 40,5 kilograms of drugs were discovered and seized from them. However, we were not interested in the fact of the detention of smugglers - we were interested in the testimonies of some of the detainees, from which it turned out that the cultivation of a certain part of these drugs was organized in the territories of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenia, from where these drugs were transported to Iran, and from there to Azerbaijan. As reported on the official website The Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan, Baku has repeatedly appealed to the international community about the need to curb the cultivation, processing and transportation of narcotic drugs in the “gray zones” that remain outside the control of national and international jurisdiction - Nagorno-Karabakh and other Azerbaijani territories occupied by Armenia.
    “Recently, efforts to combat drug trafficking have been strengthened, work has continued on identifying drug trafficking channels on the routes Iran-Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh-Iran-Azerbaijan, Iran-Azerbaijan-Russia-Japan, Iran-Azerbaijan-Georgia-Europe A large number of narcotic drugs were seized. As noted above, the Azerbaijani territories occupied by Armenia turned into a kind of crime source, which is beyond the control of any state or any international organization. Suffering from an acute shortage of finances (Armenia itself is in a state of agony, and there is no donor from it, and the money of the Armenian diaspora allocated for the "development" of "NKR", for the most part, settles in the pockets of separatist leaders), the occupation regime created all the necessary conditions for illegal cultivation, production and further distribution of narcotic substances in the occupied territories. The huge proceeds from this illegal activity not only replenish the accounts of the leaders of the Karabakh separatists and their patrons in Yerevan and are used to acquire weapons, but also help to implement some socio-economic programs in the occupied territories, thereby keeping afloat this illegal formation.


    Another confirmation of the fact that drugs are being produced in and around Nagorno-Karabakh can be the fact that representatives of the separatist regime strictly forbid foreigners visiting Karabakh from visiting certain parts of the occupied territories at their own peril and risk, motivating this with “concern for their safety” . In fact, the separatists are by no means acting well-intentioned, but fearing that curious travelers might inadvertently photograph the very same mini-laboratories for the production of drugs. Such zones forbidden to the prying eye, for example, are Agdam, Jabrail, Gubadli, Zangilan. In addition, in the immediate vicinity of the mini-laboratories, the Armenians set red flags that supposedly warn of unexploded ordnance and mines, which, of course, has a sobering effect on travelers. But at the same time, cattle graze calmly in these territories, shepherds go ...
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 13 June 2013 16: 01 New
      +1
      you probably personally saw everything there. are talking nonsense.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 June 2013 16: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: ed65b
        you probably personally saw everything there. are talking nonsense.

        No, he’s right. There are a lot of drugs coming from Iran, and mainly try to transit to Russia in transit!
        We constantly catch them in batches and I assure you that Smersh saw and opposed it with his own eyes for sure!
        and the fact that a lot passes through the territories occupied by the Armenians is not rubbish, but also a fact!
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 13 June 2013 16: 48 New
          0
          drugs in all directions are delivered. no need to turn the Armenians into a drug addict.
  • VladUrich
    VladUrich 13 June 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    It is not clear why the policy of squandering Russia is being pursued ...
    Russia again gave part of its territory to Azerbaijan
    13.06.2013/12/08 XNUMX:XNUMX Military observer

    Three large sections of Russian territory in the Republic of Dagestan in May of this year were transferred to Azerbaijan. The decision on the next transfer of land to a neighbor was made as part of the work of a joint commission on demarcation of the border between the two states.

    The commission signed a delineation agreement in the presence of representatives of Azerbaijani regions to which the Russian lands retreated. Representatives from Dagestan were not invited to the event. For the first time in history, Azerbaijan has received official recognition of its borders - this recognition came from Russia. All other neighbors of Baku did not honor this.

    The transfer of several thousand hectares of pasture land in the fertile alpine zone to Azerbaijan was reported by the Federal Lezgi National Cultural Autonomy (FLNKA). Information about this was hardly received by the Russian media. Even the Azerbaijani media reported this in passing.

    Azerbaijan received lands due to which about 300 thousand Lezgins lived, the Free Press reports with reference to the vice president of the FLNKA Sabir Mammadov. Dagestanis are indignant that the lands were given almost secretly from the public. Here, even between representatives of the Dagestan peoples, frictions and conflicts arise over each meter of land and the Russian authorities completely ignored the realities of life in the Caucasus.

    This is not the first time the Russian Federation has given its land to Azerbaijan. In the summer of 2011, the Russian authorities transferred half of the Samur River’s water intake and two villages to its southern neighbor, along with 600 Lezghin families, who suddenly began to live in Azerbaijan with a Russian passport.

    Even earlier, in 2010, the United Russia faction, despite the protests of scientists, pushed in the State Duma the decision to transfer to Norway 12% of the Barents Sea (about 80 thousand sq. Km. Russian territory). In March 2013, about 565 million cubic meters of oil and gas reserves were discovered by Norwegian geologists.

    According to a researcher at the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies, a specialist on the problems of the North Caucasus, Vasily Ivanov, the decision to transfer part of the mountainous territory of Russia to Azerbaijan will entail extremely negative consequences in Dagestan, where unemployment and social tension are high.

    The transfer of their own land to a neighboring state is here quite naturally perceived as a weakness of Moscow. After that, it is already difficult for Dagestanis to expect respect for the Russian authorities and federal laws. In addition, land transfer can seriously aggravate the problem of Islamic extremism in the region.
    see here
    http://warfiles.ru/show-32803-rossiya-snova-otdala-chast-svoey-territorii-azerba

    ydzhanu.html
    and here you can see how we are arming Azerbaijan
    http://warfiles.ru/show-32808-vmesto-tureckoy-tehniki-azerbaydzhan-priobrel-ross
    iyskie-tanki-t-90s-i-sau-msta-s.html
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2013 16: 00 New
      -2
      Exactly. And some here believe that Russia should also help Azerbaijan return NK, otherwise
      Quote: Yeraz
      We will make Azerbaijan anti-Russian.


      It is time to stop this charity, from which they are only beginning to become impudent.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 13 June 2013 15: 44 New
    +1
    Poson! Zhosky Offtop, but in front of my house just wild Akhtung is going on! The Nazis landed and bomb the hill directly in front of the house!
    How to stew? What to do? )

    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 15: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Gooch
      How to stew? What to do? )

      Is the forest burning ??
      So the Ministry of Emergencies you have recently conducted large-scale exercises, I think they will put out!
      Beautiful places!!
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 13 June 2013 16: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        Is the forest burning ??
        So the Ministry of Emergencies you have recently conducted large-scale exercises, I think they will put out!
        Beautiful places!!

        Aha forest, yesterday the house burned out in front of me, 3 girls died, today the hill burns, a paragraph .. we like summer so immediately begins to move
        http://spb.itar-tass.com/c322/768740.html

        The Ministry of Emergencies can’t do anything, you won’t go there, taiga .. only if from a Helicopter, and this is apparently expensive.
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 13 June 2013 16: 21 New
          +1
          What to do poson ???? :)) Soon it will reach the city !! )
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 13 June 2013 16: 28 New
            +3
            helped last time - help Be-200 .. and Ka-32 ..! not drift .. friends are always known in trouble !!!!!!!

            By the way, the last time I want to remind some zealous fans of Armenia - from there not a single bird flew to Russia ... and it seems there were not even lifeguards ..... not to mention shovels ... hi
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 13 June 2013 16: 31 New
              0
              Quote: smersh70
              helped last time - help Be-200 .. and Ka-32 ..! not drift .. friends are always known in trouble !!!!!!!

              Let the guys throw off 10 rubles each for the Be-200 and Ka-32, I will give these units to our local Ministry of Emergency Situations) oh, I forgot it, throw in rubles for kerosene too, please, I will be very grateful) or I’ll burn it here)
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 15: 55 New
    +5
    Honestly, this Azerbaijani lobby on the site is starting to get it. Do you want to conquer Karabakh. Go and get back. Do you want to mate with Russia please. Just do not breed nonsense about the great Azerbaijani soldiers and cowardly Armenians and stupid Russians who do not see the benefits of friendship with traders from Azerbaijan. As you have shown yourself, I advise you not to start worse. Like friends too. 2 million in Russia is also not enough. as in the post-Soviet space they screamed at the station Russia suitcase at the Russians, so I will say the suitcase station Azerbaijan. Do not be happy to bring yourself to your homeland and do anything, but here, if citizens breathe evenly. I served with the Armenians and Azerbaijanis in the Army and I know who is friend and who will surrender at the first opportunity. And you don’t have to rumble at us.
    1. experienced
      experienced 13 June 2013 16: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      Honestly, this Azerbaijani lobby on the site is starting to get it.

      It’s just a real problem that rallied all Azerbaijanis. The same problem rallied the Georgians after 080808 and the final realization that South Ossetia and Abkhazia had finally left Georgia. This is a pain of people and they can be understood, I do not understand the author who sprinkles wounds with salt hi
      If you do not like such articles and topics and methods for commenting on them, then simply ignore them, you are not a masochist wink
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 June 2013 16: 41 New
        +5
        Just Azerbaijanis hear nothing but themselves and do not want anyone, they have their own truth, the most truthful. So I put it that way.
        1. experienced
          experienced 13 June 2013 16: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: ed65b
          Just Azerbaijanis hear nothing but themselves and do not want anyone, they have their own truth, the most truthful. So I put it that way.

          It would be ridiculous if the Azerbaijanis began to advocate the accession of NK to Armenia laughing I think there would be an article on the return of the Kuril Islands to Japan, then all the Russians (like Azerbaijanis) would also speak on one front, but what am I talking about? Here, not so long ago, an article flashed about territorial claims of Lithuania, look there is such a "Russian lobby" wassat And by the way, we (Russians) in relation to Lithuania there also have "their most truthful truth" hi This is called patriotism and it characterizes a person and a citizen, in my opinion when he (a person) calmly perceives the "distribution of land" then he is at least a "temporary worker" who plans to continue to live where the pope is softer and warmer or a traitor hi
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 16: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      Honestly this is an Azerbaijani lobby on the site


      Thanks to all those who created this site !!!!!!! it’s not in vain that we are spending our precious time here !! It’s not in vain that we show true information .... that's when such answers mean it is not in vain !!! the seeds of truth fell onto the fertile land .....)))) when the opponents already there are no arguments, conversations begin - about the station ... sled .. bicycles ....))))))) hi
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 16: 07 New
    +6
    And also dear friends. Where did your friends from Russia rest and heal the wounds of rabble from Chechnya and whether through you the Arabs and all the frostbite went to Chechnya. When you treated these coves, you did not think about the blood on their hands about the mothers who did not see their sons. No, it’s all to ruin the Russian Ivanes, what would be more painful. Yes, it lasted longer and more of our boys died. do you think it's all bygone past ??? We all remember, we will not forgive anyone.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 June 2013 16: 17 New
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      Quote: ed65b
      through you whether the Arabs and all the frostbite went to Chechnya

      we planted this scum and destroyed !!
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 June 2013 16: 36 New
        0
        I don’t remember a single case. But I saw sanatoriums and rest houses where the soldiers of Allah rested before new trips to the Giaurs.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2013 16: 46 New
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          Most transit through Georgia to Turkey. And they were treated, rested there.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 16: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          I don’t remember a single case

          how do you remember
          Hate is gnawing you, and you don’t know much!


          He is charged with episodes of Articles 120 (premeditated murder), 279 (creation of armed groups or groups not prescribed by law), 214 (terrorism), 318 (illegal crossing of the state border of the Republic of Azerbaijan), 315 (resistance or use of violence against a representative of authority), 228 (illegal acquisition, storage and carrying of firearms and ammunition) and 234 (illegal manufacture, production, acquisition, storage, transportation, transfer or sale of narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances or precursors) of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

          During the preparatory meeting, part of the defendants refused lawyers, citing the exercise of self-defense. However, this right was denied to defendants who did not speak the Azerbaijani language and were not citizens of the country, since they were not familiar with local laws.

          It should be noted that mainly the defendants are men aged 21-30 living in Baku and Sumgait, residents of the Guba region.

          Recall that the law enforcement agencies of Azerbaijan conducted a series of operations last fall, as a result of which the Forest Brothers gang was rendered harmless. Members of this criminal group are accused of committing a terrorist act in Baku at the Abu Bekr mosque.

          From the explosion of a grenade thrown by an unknown inside the building of the Abu Bekr mosque on August 17, 2008, two were killed and 18 believers were injured.

          In hot pursuit, intelligence officers identified the persons involved in the organization of the explosion. They turned out to be members of illegal armed groups in the North Caucasus: Ilgar Mollachiev, the emir of the "Dagestan Jamaat," nicknamed Abdulmejid, his relative Samir Mehdiev, nicknamed Suleiman, and other radical people who were in criminal contact with them. During the investigation, it became known that Ilgar Mollachiev and Samir Mehdiev planned to resume the activities of the Forest Brothers armed group, which they neutralized in 2007. Then 17 members of this gang were arrested and sentenced to various terms of punishment, and Ilgar Mollachiev and Samir Mehdiev were put on the wanted list.

          http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/380930/
          there are a lot of such examples!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 June 2013 16: 58 New
            +1
            The forces of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan neutralized an armed group of 17 people.

            According to the MNS Public Relations Center, as a result of a special operation in the cities of Baku, Ganja, Sumgait, as well as in the Gakh, Zagatalsky, Sheki and Gusar regions, 4 AKM machine guns, 1 RPK machine gun and several pistols were seized from the criminals: 2 PM , 1 Nagan, 1 PPS, 2 carbines, 6 full pistol magazines, 300 rounds of various calibers, 31 hand grenades, 15 remotely controlled explosive devices, a large number of explosive plastid, 3 magazines for automatic weapons, 30 Kenwood communication devices, 3 bayonet-knives, literature preaching terror and jihad, as well as many other items prohibited by local and international laws.

            As a result of a special operation conducted by the Gartal special forces in the city of Ganja, fierce armed resistance was rendered to employees of the national security organs of Azerbaijan. Persons who opposed the order to surrender weapons opened fire from small arms, and also threw a grenade at the side of the special forces. As a result, 1 employee of the Ministry of National Security died, 3 employees were injured of varying severity. In response, 1 militant who resisted the authorities was destroyed by fire, 1 wounded, 2 other members of the criminal group were arrested.

            In fact, the Main Investigation Department of the Ministry of National Security has opened a criminal case under the relevant articles of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan. Investigation and operational activities are ongoing. As the circumstances of the crime are clarified, the public will be further informed.
            http://lezgistan.tv/novosti/lesnoj-brat-podorval-sebya-vmeste-s-oficerom-mnb-aze
            rbajijana-podrobnosti-specoperacii /
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 17: 07 New
              +1
              The third loud statement about the impending assassination attempt on Putin was made in October 2001. Then the Azerbaijani special services reported that they were able to prevent the impending assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin, which was supposed to be carried out during his official visit to Baku on January 9-10. The then Minister of National Security of Azerbaijan, Namik Abbasov, said that an act of terrorism against the President of Russia should have been Iraqi citizen Kyanan Rostam, who at the end of 1999 was trained in camps on the territory of Afghanistan, had connections with Chechen fighters involved in the murder in Chechnya of three British and one New Zealander. Closed trial of terrorist took place in Azerbaijan. And only in January it became known that the assassination was preparing for Vladimir Putin. The Iraqi extremist was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The signal about the impending assassination of Vladimir Putin was received by the Azerbaijani special services 3-4 months before his visit to this Transcaucasian republic. This operational information was timely taken into account when organizing the Russian-Azerbaijani summit, which made it possible to ensure complete security for the distinguished guest.
              http://www.anticompromat.org/putin/pokushen.html
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 13 June 2013 21: 04 New
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                About the assassination attempt. This is a direct responsibility of the special services and has nothing to do with my posts. In Ukraine, they also prepared an attempt.
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 13 June 2013 20: 51 New
            +1
            What are you transferring articles to me? I can read the entire criminal code to you article by article. These are your bandits and with us they were not treated and did not rest. And leave these numerous cases to the need of the local public. I was interested in providing secret and overt help to Azerbaijan, to Chechen terrorists. Azerbaijan and Turkey welcomed them. Not free of course. For the money. And it was. How to press will leave for Azerbaijan. Have a rest back.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 June 2013 21: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: ed65b
              I was interested in providing secret and overt help to Azerbaijan, to Chechen terrorists.

              Brad!
              You wrote that you didn’t hear how we are destroying this scum, and now turn on the back !!)))
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 16: 56 New
          +2
          We have only such sanatoriums - 13.06.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX. Yesterday in Nabran, on the Day of Russia, the official opening of the International Friendship Camp at the Nabran-Aquapark recreation center for Russian and Azerbaijani children took place, Vesti.Az reports.
          The festive line-up was attended by the deputy of the Milli Majlis, chairman of the Russian community of Azerbaijan Mikhail Zabelin, Archbishop of Baku and Azerbaijan Alexander, adviser to the Russian embassy in Azerbaijan and head of the Rossotrudnichestvo representative office in Azerbaijan Valentin Denisov.
          The vice-president of the Federal National Cultural Autonomy of Azerbaijanis of Russia Rafael Babaev, representatives of the administration of the Khachmaz region and members of the Russian community also attended the grand opening.
          Guests were presented with a children's festive concert prepared by the participants of the international camp with the support of the Cultural Center of the Russian Community. Despite the fact that the concert was being prepared for only one day, everything turned out to be on the level, beautifully and harmoniously. Russian children, according to educators, have already settled in a new place and even made new friends.
          Six children from single-parent families and orphanages in Azerbaijan and Russia will rest in the camp for three weeks. The program also includes excursions to the picturesque places of Azerbaijan, including Baku.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 June 2013 16: 54 New
    0
    Well, you got excited with the lobby, here people of different ages, different professions living in different countries, different political views, but on the topic of Karabakh we are united, this is our land and when they try to prove to me here that 20 percent occupation is normal, that our desire it’s bad to return these lands, and Aliev supposedly knocks these ideas out of our minds. Moreover, people who don’t know anything about the realities of the Caucasus, the Caucasus, stubbornly support this policy, I grew up in Russia and I know what’s going on inside here, as in Azerbaijan and Russia's current policy in the Caucasus and betting on those elements that are unacceptable for Muslims in the Caucasus will only lead to Russia's losses. Do not want to see this, support the occupiers, well, just do not forget the coin is 2-sided.
    I consider the dispute to be over.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 13 June 2013 17: 07 New
    +1
    ALL FRIENDS ,,,,,, already the computer is buggy) let's the next article !! RESPECT !!!!!!!!!!!
  • Old skeptic
    Old skeptic 13 June 2013 18: 26 New
    +1
    Here's what you need to do.

    “Dead” (literally) block ALL the borders around the two countries, give both sides as many weapons as they want (including chemical) and leave them alone. Until they resolve the issue, no trade, i.e. complete isolation. Agree, then, complete disarmament and peace. They don’t agree, they will cut each other - (they themselves are to blame, they couldn’t agree), but those who win will be destroyed for genocide.

    With this perspective, very few countries will wave their fists.
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 13 June 2013 18: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Skeptic
      They don’t agree, they will cut each other - (“by themselves”, they couldn’t agree), but those who win will be destroyed for genocide.
      With this perspective, very few countries will wave their fists.
  • Opera
    Opera 13 June 2013 18: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    you at least read all the comments before asking questions that you have already answered!

    There is no time to read everything and my rhetorical questions! What is rhetorical no need to explain?
    Here, one of your countryman is very much trying to pass for clever, so puffed up "peacefully" !!! And on the contrary, from time to time you try to seem more stupid than you are, but if a couple of gentlemen appear, then you do not see all the others point blank!
    Your fellow countryman here threatened to cut off gasoline to Ukraine and promised me that I would ride a bicycle and walk in felt boots ... and how you still haven’t figured out a general for such heroism ?! Well, after all, for three whole weeks your fellow countryman on Military Review and all the colonel. That's how you are in everything! Smersh, are you not offended ?!
    Quote: Yarbay
    And if the war begins, much will be decided faster!

    Let this statement remain on your conscience. I can only hear from you here (not only you mean) derogatory attacks on the Armenians - both they are small and hungry and they have an army like that - they laughed and even asked to attack you so that they could run faster !!!
    And they would attack ... You are talking about negotiations, and what kind of warriors are you, well, fear and only - well, go ahead! I want to fight ?! Well, well ... There’s nothing to talk to you about.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 June 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Oper
      That's how you are in everything! Smersh, are you not offended ?!


      laughing Envy will kill everything in this world))) and again envy ... Colleague, I promised you to get the title .... received ...
      Colleague, I promised you. To fulfill in a short time ..... fulfilled
      A colleague, I told you that I am an honest soldier .... and raised in the spirit of the partisans of Belarus ..... said ....
      A colleague I told you, unless I spoke about the general ---
      (analogy for (c) ilm Dzheltmeny good luck)))) .. well, I'm sorry .. if you turned to you .. after all, still Colleagues)))) hi
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 13 June 2013 19: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: xetai9977
    , demands that "Karabakh and 7 districts (which is 20% of the country's territory) should be liberated!

    Exempted from the people living there for many generations? Azerbaijan has no solution to this issue. Armenia doesn’t have it either, Russia has so far nothing to offer, massacres at the borders do not suit us, therefore, in order to prevent it, the forces will be balanced until something changes, or someone makes a mistake or smarter people than now come or it’s just that everyone will not be up to it, Russia's difficulty in the inability to take sides. After all, the question of South Ossetia and Abkhazia was also a stalemate - but it was decided, they put an end to the question of Chechnya - they decided differently, remained sensitive to Russia, Karabakh and Transnistria, well, maybe Kosovo is still prestige for the prestige, but the Serbs are strange.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 13 June 2013 19: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Exempted from the people living there for many generations?


      Freed from the occupation of a foreign state!
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 13 June 2013 20: 01 New
        -2
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Freed from the occupation of a foreign state!

        The Armenian Armed Forces are not there, there are detachments of local residents, Azerbaijan would have to completely expel people from the occupied territory and populate it with its people, even during the peak of the Reich’s power, Hitler couldn’t do this anywhere, the forceful solution to this conflict is utopia, every cellar will be shot back you don’t have domestic support, even the Serbs in Kosovo are higher than Azerbaijan in Karabakh, including because any sensible Azerbaijani would prefer to live and work in a less well-fed Azerbaijan rather than in an economic desert like Karabakh.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 13 June 2013 20: 28 New
          +4
          The armed forces of this state are there! For your information!

          Quote: Kyrgyz
          any sensible Azerbaijani would prefer to live and work in a less well-fed Azerbaijan rather than in an economic desert like Karabakh.


          Any Azerbaijanian knows that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan! hi
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2013 20: 50 New
            -3
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Any Azerbaijanian knows that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan!

            And any resident of Taiwan knows that they own the Republic of Tuva.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 13 June 2013 21: 06 New
              +3
              Are you a troll or pretending to be a troll?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2013 21: 51 New
                +1
                And you do not know that Taiwan considers Tuva its territory? It's your problem. By the way, they consider not only Tuva their original territories, but also part of the Annunciation and Tambov districts of the Amur Region.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 June 2013 20: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          Armenian Armed Forces are not there

          That is the whole of Armenia there!
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          Azerbaijan would have to completely expel people from the occupied territory and populate it with its own

          Now a little more than 70 thousand live in these territories, and about a million Azerbaijanis are expelled !!
          Karabakh is our land and I will not give in not a centimeter to anyone !!
          1. arturs
            arturs 14 June 2013 11: 14 New
            -2
            The Armenian Armed Forces are not there, there are Armenian citizens who serve in the NKR army. These are different things.
          2. arturs
            arturs 14 June 2013 11: 36 New
            0
            Now a little more than 70 thousand live in these territories, and about a million Azerbaijanis are expelled !!

            2 times more people live there
            Karabakh is our land and I will not give in not a centimeter to anyone !!

            already lost
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 16 June 2013 14: 41 New
              +1
              which army of the NKAR ... don’t make people laugh .... I still haven’t seen a single former NKAO who was captured with a residence permit ..... all were 1000% from Armenia ....

              and what, the war is over and a peace treaty is signed .. hi but we did not know .....
              1. arturs
                arturs 16 June 2013 19: 28 New
                -1
                you just need less faith in your propaganda.
                I was there just last year, so my information is not from the arm. propaganda.
                and the war ended, without signing a peace treaty, but ended.
                all the threat to the internal audience, for naive citizens.
        3. xetai9977
          xetai9977 13 June 2013 20: 45 New
          +4
          Kyrgyz, never talk about what you don’t know! what "detachments of local residents!" which are armed with hundreds of tanks, MLRS, draftees with the whole of Armenia? Amazed at how educated people seem to be naive and blinded by propaganda poison!
        4. Yeraz
          Yeraz 13 June 2013 20: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          Armenian Armed Forces are not there,

          better get to know this conflict before writing such nonsense.
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          Azerbaijan would have to completely expel people from the occupied territory and populate it with its people,

          do you even know how many people really live in Karabakh and inside 7 occupied regions (I hope you know about 7 occupied regions?)
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          there each cellar will shoot back you will not have internal support,

          Yes, you’re not familiar with this conflict at all.
          The level of hatred is overwhelming. The population there will not remain with the outbreak of hostilities, and the closer the troops will stretch and will completely withdraw, neither side will have an illusion about what will be done to them.
        5. smersh70
          smersh70 13 June 2013 22: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          not in an economic desert like Karabakh.


          FRIEND!! civil defense is the right way to go)))))))) comrade .... you generally know this topic ..... you know. that in the case of peace, every large state has committed itself to rebuild one of the districts. regardless of who lives there .... here Germany is responsible for the city of Agdam ... it will rebuild according to the German type (1billion dollars) .. well and so on .... hi
          yes let there be an economic desert ... we have enough of our money to rebuild everything ....... the main thing is the restoration of the territorial integrity of the state !!!!!!!!! the desert of Karabakh is better than mountain paradise ........ well, I will not write ..))))
  • ed65b
    ed65b 13 June 2013 21: 26 New
    -2
    we are united in Karabakh, this is our land and when they try to prove here to me that the occupation of 20 percent is normal, that our desire to return these lands is bad, and Aliyev supposedly knocks these ideas in our heads

    Yes, no one says that this is normal. This is generally abnormal. But to arrange dances with spears and sing combat songs is futile. You even here in Russia can’t agree on what kind of agreement there simply can’t talk calmly. Immediately swear and blame each other for all mortal sins. How is it possible to solve the problem at the top since there is no peace in the soul of the people. It’s necessary to calm down. I am absolutely not obsessed with hatred for the representatives of Azerbaijan, but I don’t like it when everyone around is groaning. As you correctly said, the coin has 2 sides - the truth has only one.